Speaker 1: It's nine with Dan Ray on WAZ Boston Video.
Speaker 2: We're talking with Tom Samuelon. He is the former deputy
Speaker 2: director of the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records and Review Board.
Speaker 2: Let's get back to calls and again looking for questions
Speaker 2: or we can talk about experiences later after Tom leaves us.
Speaker 2: But but your theories or your thoughts or question or
Speaker 2: a comment, that's what that's what we're doing right now.
Speaker 2: We go to Richard in Boston. Richard, you are next
Speaker 2: on Nightside.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Oh, good evening, thanks for taking my call. I
Speaker 3: came in late, sir. I was wondering if you ever
Speaker 3: looked at the person who was the mayor of Dallas,
Speaker 3: Earl Cable, and someone said that he caused the MOTIKEI
Speaker 3: to change to go in front of the book depository.
Speaker 3: And the connection with him was his brother. His brother,
Speaker 3: I believe his childs Cable. He was a general assistant
Speaker 3: in the CIA and President Kennedy fired him, and many
Speaker 3: people thought that that was one of the connections that
Speaker 3: maybe the CIA were responsible for killing the president and
Speaker 3: this man might have been involved with the assassination with
Speaker 3: his brother, the mayor.
Speaker 2: Let's see what Tom said If anybody would be able
Speaker 2: to give you a response to that would be Tom
Speaker 2: Samlike interesting, certainly thought, Tom.
Speaker 4: I think that the characterization of the relationship between the
Speaker 4: mayor and the CIA official is correct. I do not
Speaker 4: think there is any credibility to the theory that the
Speaker 4: mayor was involved in any way and in any way
Speaker 4: changed the Motorcate route. Although like every aspect Dan, as
Speaker 4: you know, of the assassination, they are small. It all
Speaker 4: is in dispute and sometimes it's hard to weave our
Speaker 4: way through what reality there is in what's fiction. But
Speaker 4: I don't I don't think that that's accurate.
Speaker 3: Okay, I just thought that because the President Kennedy fired
Speaker 3: his brother who was an assistant in the CIA.
Speaker 2: And it's no Richard, you explained it very well and
Speaker 2: I had never heard that. But again, that's it's ironic,
Speaker 2: and is that there's so many conspiracy theories or that
Speaker 2: that has sort of muddied the water over time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it seems to me. But anyway, Richard, thank.
Speaker 3: You for taking my call, and I thank you. It was
Speaker 3: a very interesting show. Thank you, thank you for raising it.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Hi, good night. Let me go next to
Speaker 2: Gina in Bridgewater, Gina, you were next time, and I
Speaker 2: said with Tom similar K, Deputy Director, I mean that.
Speaker 5: Was just I remember this my mother speaking of it
Speaker 5: because she was in the hospital at the time and
Speaker 5: she had my brother the next day, meaning tomorrow, and
Speaker 5: she named my brother after him, his middle name, the
Speaker 5: first name. And I also remember a story that JFK
Speaker 5: wanted my dad to be his personal bodyguard many years ago,
Speaker 5: and he refused it only because he said he wanted
Speaker 5: to have a family and if he did that, he
Speaker 5: wouldn't have been able.
Speaker 2: To What did your dad do? You know, we don't
Speaker 2: know who your dad was, Gina, But what did your
Speaker 2: dad do that? Did he tell that story at family
Speaker 2: tables or what? What did your dad remember?
Speaker 6: Somebody did mention that and he wanted him to, probably
Speaker 6: because he was in the military years prior and was decent.
Speaker 6: My dad was John. He was just a decent person,
Speaker 6: that's all.
Speaker 2: Did you did your father know former President Kennedy?
Speaker 6: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well I don't think Tom can comment
Speaker 2: on that one, but that's an interesting story from family. Thank you, Gene,
Speaker 2: appreciate you call very much. I have a great night.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Ron and Newton. Ron, you are
Speaker 2: next with Tom Samlik Right ahead, ron.
Speaker 7: Ah, Dan, thanks so much for having this. Tom, just
Speaker 7: a quick question on what's what do you think is
Speaker 7: the possibility that artificial intelligence and the amazing computation there's
Speaker 7: the whole series of courses now the I T and
Speaker 7: a whole department could supplement and because these computers can
Speaker 7: computate variables, uh you know, the many data sets that
Speaker 7: you can put together and also look at different scenarios
Speaker 7: much better than we as human beings.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 7: I completed a course on Saturday on the application to medicine,
Speaker 7: which is why I ask that's a great.
Speaker 4: Ca I think it is a great, great question. It
Speaker 4: really is the latest chapter in how technology can be
Speaker 4: used in criminal investigations. And if you go back to
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three, not only were their mistakes made and
Speaker 4: things that would definitely not have been done today. And
Speaker 4: if you look at the How Select Committee in the
Speaker 4: late seventies, they did certain ballistic testing and other types
Speaker 4: of technologic developments. Including Dan, you may recall the stuck
Speaker 4: microphone on a Dallas police motorcycles who was in the
Speaker 4: who was motor keate? And that turned out to be.
Speaker 4: It's been disputed, and once again one of those things
Speaker 4: that's in controversy. I think AI will definitely become part
Speaker 4: of the JFK assassination story. With AI just everywhere in
Speaker 4: the news, and the uses for it are incredible, and
Speaker 4: so I think people will will try to apply it
Speaker 4: to the JFK assassination investigations.
Speaker 7: As far back as nineteen ninety nine, Intitute of Medicine
Speaker 7: published a report on two areas here in all of
Speaker 7: the deaths that were occurring. Even then, we had computational
Speaker 7: ability using simulation models where we could plug in variables
Speaker 7: to the different decision trees and do what they call
Speaker 7: it Monte Carlo simulation, looking at maybe one hundred thousand
Speaker 7: variables forward and you could come up, you could you
Speaker 7: could you could find things out that were outside of
Speaker 7: the box in the manner that you would pick.
Speaker 4: We think, I think that holds out a lot of possibilities.
Speaker 7: Thanks Ron, great call, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Great called Tom. I final question, and I'd say I
Speaker 2: promised I would let you go after one more segment
Speaker 2: if in your opinion and again this is your opinion,
Speaker 2: but it's an opinion that is based on knowledge that
Speaker 2: and observations that none of us have had a chance
Speaker 2: to look at. If Jack Ruby had not been lurking
Speaker 2: in that police garage and had not been able to
Speaker 2: successfully kill Oswald, and if Oswald had gotten to his
Speaker 2: jail cell that night and it had never been that
Speaker 2: had lived for some period of time, do you think
Speaker 2: that that we would have gotten the story which was
Speaker 2: just a roundabout way of asking, Uh, it appears. It
Speaker 2: appears to me that the Ruby aspect of this story,
Speaker 2: if you believe that Ruby was just so empathetic towards history,
Speaker 2: was that he was empathetic towards Jacqueline Kennedy, and that's
Speaker 2: why he was felt compelled to kill Oswald. But if
Speaker 2: that moment had not occurred, I truly think that somehow,
Speaker 2: some way we would know.
Speaker 4: I think you're probably right, Dan, or at least we
Speaker 4: would have a better chance of knowing, if you think
Speaker 4: about it. Oswald had defected to the Soviet Union. He
Speaker 4: six weeks before the assassination. He had traveled to Mexico City,
Speaker 4: visited the Russian and the Cuban embassies. He had had
Speaker 4: run ins with the anti Castro Cubans in New Orleans.
Speaker 4: He had been in the Marines.
Speaker 9: There is such a.
Speaker 4: Rich history for someone who was only twenty four years
Speaker 4: old when he was killed. Just think if he had spoken.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, we're back here, and I hope you heard the
Speaker 2: Amber alert, Tom Sam like. That is something that happens,
Speaker 2: and you well know that we were not able to
Speaker 2: That's something we're obligated to do. Glad we did it.
Speaker 2: I apologize for breaking on trend of thought. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let you go in about four or five minutes here,
Speaker 2: but I just wanted to, first of all, thank you
Speaker 2: very much for your time tonight. Thank you for the
Speaker 2: work that you have done. How was it that you
Speaker 2: became the deputy director of this of this Assassination Records
Speaker 2: Review Board, which I assume has now has in effect
Speaker 2: gone out of business, is no longer an active agency.
Speaker 2: And I assume I'm correct on that, if I'm not contradict.
Speaker 4: Me, Yeah, Dan, you are correct. The life of the
Speaker 4: board sunset if you will. On September thirtieth, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 4: when the final report was literally handed to President Clinton
Speaker 4: in the Oval Office, and he had a tremendous amount
Speaker 4: of interest in the assassination Dan. One thing I wanted
Speaker 4: to mention just to give your listeners some sense of
Speaker 4: what the volume of records that we're talking about. There's
Speaker 4: over five million records that are at the National Archives
Speaker 4: as part of the JFK Assassination Records Collection, and so
Speaker 4: the question may be, well, what are the number of
Speaker 4: records that remain. The estimate is, and I don't know exactly,
Speaker 4: but it's between three and four thousand documents that haven't
Speaker 4: been fully released. So there are many that, as I
Speaker 4: was talking about earlier, may have a name or something
Speaker 4: that relates to a intelligence gathering or method that we redacted,
Speaker 4: that is the Review Board redacted, but I think can
Speaker 4: probably be opened up now. There may be about five
Speaker 4: hundred documents that have been completely withheld that may not
Speaker 4: be exactly accurate, but it's around that. But your head
Speaker 4: on the former chairman of the Review Board, Judge John
Speaker 4: Tunheim from Minneapolis, and Judge Tunheim agrees that it's time,
Speaker 4: it's long past the time the loss that everything should
Speaker 4: be released twenty five years after the passage of the
Speaker 4: law that created the collection and the Review Board, and
Speaker 4: that was twenty seventeen, and that's when President President Trump
Speaker 4: said that he would release all the records. That was
Speaker 4: just being consistent with blow second opportunity. He has said
Speaker 4: that he would do it, and so we'll wait and
Speaker 4: see when he is president again on January twentieth.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, one of the things that I mean
Speaker 2: remember from that era, and I can't tell you whether
Speaker 2: it was when the One Commission report was released or whatever,
Speaker 2: was the number seventy five stuck in my mind, and
Speaker 2: I can I followed it as a you know, as
Speaker 2: a young teenager and a high school student and a
Speaker 2: you know, an aspiring college student, and I thought that
Speaker 2: it was going to be released seventy five years, you know,
Speaker 2: everything would be released seventy five years after the assassination,
Speaker 2: which whatever that would have put it at, I guess
Speaker 2: twenty thirty eight or something like that. I'm doing the
Speaker 2: math in my head quickly. And one of the reasons,
Speaker 2: and again I don't know that I ever saw this
Speaker 2: as a television report, but or I started in a
Speaker 2: newspaper that they wanted to make sure that everyone who
Speaker 2: was alive at that time, particularly immediate family members, would
Speaker 2: probably not still be alive and does anything like that
Speaker 2: ring a bell with you in your mind?
Speaker 4: Yes, it does, and that I I don't recall what
Speaker 4: the basis of that calculation was relative to the Warren
Speaker 4: Commission records, but that would have been superseded by the
Speaker 4: law that created the review Board and the collection itself
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, And so it's going to be up to
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. And Donald Trump, certainly with his appointments, has
Speaker 2: I think pretty much indicated that he's going with a
Speaker 2: different type of team this year this presidency. But this
Speaker 2: is one that I think everyone in the country would support.
Speaker 2: My last question is do you believe that this was
Speaker 2: not a matter of a group of people who conspired
Speaker 2: to do this, that however it was done, whether it
Speaker 2: was the lone gunman or two or three people, that
Speaker 2: the real embarrassment was the failure of intelligence, the failure
Speaker 2: of someone to pick this up in advance. Do you
Speaker 2: think that was the motivation why certain documents above and
Speaker 2: above and beyond the reasons that are actually given, it
Speaker 2: was a failure of intelligence, and that we did not
Speaker 2: want to let the rest of the world know that
Speaker 2: our intelligence agencies maybe were not as good as they.
Speaker 4: Claimed, Well, I think that's part of it, Dan, There
Speaker 4: were a lot of mistakes. There were a lot of
Speaker 4: warning lights, if you will, because Oswald, whatever his role was,
Speaker 4: if he had a role, and people differ on that,
Speaker 4: but the FBI and the CIA were very aware of Oswald.
Speaker 4: They had been cracking him when he defected from the
Speaker 4: US and he left the Marines and he first traveled
Speaker 4: to Europe and then ended up in the Soviet and
Speaker 4: we released documents, the Review Board released documents from nineteen
Speaker 4: in sixty of their Trapped eight department. They're tracking him
Speaker 4: and his mother is trying to get help to find
Speaker 4: out where he is. So that just continued up until
Speaker 4: the assassination. That there was FBI and CIA awareness, So
Speaker 4: a lot of mistakes made.
Speaker 2: So again my thought, I'm not saying it's a theory,
Speaker 2: but my thought is that there was a sense, you know,
Speaker 2: there was a sense back in nineteen sixty three of
Speaker 2: this superiority not only of our military but of our
Speaker 2: intelligence agency. I mean, we were number one in the world,
Speaker 2: we had won World War Two and all of that,
Speaker 2: and this kind of pierced that belief, if you will.
Speaker 2: And so I'm just wondering if at its core it
Speaker 2: is not to cover up the actions of Oswald or whomever,
Speaker 2: but to cover up our failure to keep an eye
Speaker 2: on him and understand where he was.
Speaker 4: And that maybe it's both. Maybe there was a desire
Speaker 4: to cover up the failures but also not open any
Speaker 4: doors beyond the loan gunman, because it's at the height
Speaker 4: of the Cold War, So you may have what you'd
Speaker 4: call a dual cover up, the covering up the mistakes
Speaker 4: and covering up what may have happened, or a desire
Speaker 4: not to learn what may have happened beyond a loan gunman.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Boy, it's it's it's the story of it's the
Speaker 2: story of our lives, Tom sam luk Uh, and it
Speaker 2: is the new story of our generation. And and you
Speaker 2: have been there. And when when President Trump does disclose
Speaker 2: whatever he's he has promised to disclose, I hope that
Speaker 2: they can't you involved in it, and give the credit
Speaker 2: to to your agency of which you served as deputy director.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend, Thank you so much. As all
Speaker 2: welcome down. We will we will do this again when
Speaker 2: and if Donald Trump, let's let's the world know exactly
Speaker 2: as much as he can what happened on that horrible
Speaker 2: afternoon sixty one years ago. Today. Thanks Tom Semilak.
Speaker 4: I'll look forward to seeing.
Speaker 2: You perhaps at the Marry and Brett food pantry this spring.
Speaker 4: Indeed, thank you Dan.
Speaker 2: Thanks Tom, Tom Samuli, great friend. Okay, now, because of
Speaker 2: the interruption of the Amber a Lord, a couple of
Speaker 2: folks dropped off. Here's what I'd like to do. I
Speaker 2: would like to give all of you an opportunity, since
Speaker 2: Tom is no longer with us, to tell me what
Speaker 2: you think happened. Okay, Now again, I'd just love to
Speaker 2: know if you think it was a foreign power, if
Speaker 2: you think it was the single gunman Lee Harvey Oswald,
Speaker 2: if you think there might have been organized crime involved
Speaker 2: in this. Certainly the Ruby involvement brings the whole question
Speaker 2: of organized crime into focus. We have thirty minutes left.
Speaker 2: This is the sixty first anniversary. I remember as a
Speaker 2: student in the nineteen sixties when they remembered the one
Speaker 2: hundredth anniversary of the assassination of Lincoln, which would have
Speaker 2: been obviously in the spring of nineteen sixty five. Because
Speaker 2: Lincoln was assassinated in April of eighteen sixty five, it
Speaker 2: won't be too long now before they will be remembering
Speaker 2: the one hundredth anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, thirty nine
Speaker 2: years from tonight. As I've told you before, I'm a
Speaker 2: bit of a numerologist in that regard because it kind
Speaker 2: of does put things in context. We are very much
Speaker 2: closer to the one hundredth anniversary of the Kennedy assassination
Speaker 2: than we are to the actual day and night of
Speaker 2: the assassination. So I'd love to hear from you. What
Speaker 2: do you think If you are someone who's a student
Speaker 2: of it, feel free. We have about twenty twenty six
Speaker 2: minutes left before we get to the eleven o'clock news,
Speaker 2: and of course then we will go to twentyeth hour.
Speaker 2: Just go open the lines up. It's not open lines,
Speaker 2: but it's open to any thought that you have six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We probably will never know. As Tom Sammeluk said, you know,
Speaker 2: lost to history. But how sad I truly did believe
Speaker 2: that at some point there would have been a deathbed confession.
Speaker 2: But I was naive because anybody who would have been
Speaker 2: in a position of any authority at that time I
Speaker 2: assume has long since expired. My name's Dan Ray. This
Speaker 2: is Nightside doing something in remembrance of President Kennedy's assassination
Speaker 2: sixty one years ago tonight. I remember it clearly, and
Speaker 2: I remember the day that all well, it was shot
Speaker 2: two days later that Sunday morning, back on Nightside right
Speaker 2: after this. Now it's just you and me. Tom Samlik,
Speaker 2: who was our guest, who again is an extraordinary individual.
Speaker 2: He's very, very good, very understated again, Deputy director of
Speaker 2: the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records and Review BOK. If
Speaker 2: you missed him in the nine o'clock hour that hour
Speaker 2: as well as all of our hours, we'll be posted
Speaker 2: at Nightside and demand Field free over the weekend to
Speaker 2: give a listen to not only the nine o'clock hour,
Speaker 2: but the ten o'clock hour coming up at eleven tonight.
Speaker 2: We will be going to our twentieth hour, of course,
Speaker 2: which we do every Friday night, and we'll see exactly
Speaker 2: I have an idea about what we'll be doing in
Speaker 2: the twentieth hour, but I'm going to hold off on
Speaker 2: that because I want to continue this hour and your
Speaker 2: recollections of what happened sixty one years ago on this
Speaker 2: very day. It's very date James and Boston. James, you're
Speaker 2: next to the night side. Welcome.
Speaker 9: Hey, I was going good, James.
Speaker 2: You go right ahead with Now Tom Samlik has left.
Speaker 2: But I'd love to know your recollection or your thoughts.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know that he's done. I've been listening to
Speaker 10: the show. You know, I think the government has something
Speaker 10: to do with it. They do whatever the hell they want.
Speaker 10: You know, they're supposed to be elected officials like for
Speaker 10: the people, by the people, but once they get in
Speaker 10: an office, they do whatever the hell they want. So
Speaker 10: I mean, I wouldn't put it past like, you know.
Speaker 4: Just.
Speaker 2: Use your big words. Yeah big, he's your big words,
Speaker 2: by the way. Hold on, James, James, James, James, James, James,
Speaker 2: Hold on for a second. I would like everyone to know.
Speaker 2: I'm told by my producer Rob that these three children
Speaker 2: for whom this amber alert was mentioned, all right, this
Speaker 2: you just heard, they have been found a safe and
Speaker 2: sound and I'm sure our news department, our news team
Speaker 2: is hard at work on that. And stick with us.
Speaker 2: We'll have some information coming up at all eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, James, so I did interrupt you, but I
Speaker 2: had to get that information out. Go right ahead.
Speaker 9: No, that's that's good, that's good news.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I I think that, like you know,
Speaker 10: he must have angered someone within the government or someone
Speaker 10: like there's no not a chance that like this Loane
Speaker 10: gunman shot him and then was killed like two days later.
Speaker 10: Like that that's logus. And anyone who believes that is you.
Speaker 9: Know, like you know, not in the right mind.
Speaker 2: Well that was what the war. That was what the
Speaker 2: Warrant Commission, which was the official government agency, concluded, And
Speaker 2: then there was a lot of criticism of the Warrant
Speaker 2: Commission report over time, just an agreeable amount. And there
Speaker 2: was a book you know that that if you're interested
Speaker 2: in this, I'm sure that you could find an old
Speaker 2: copy of the book. It was called Rush to Judgment
Speaker 2: by Mark Lane. UH and the government UH, in all honesty,
Speaker 2: tried to diminish the value of his book. There were
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are saying, oh, Lane doesn't
Speaker 2: know what he's talking about. But in retrospect, I think
Speaker 2: a lot of what Lane wrote about in nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty four, in nineteen sixty five actually had
Speaker 2: a lot of validity. You know that early on. It's
Speaker 2: amazing to think that a president of the United States
Speaker 2: could be shot to death on the street of a
Speaker 2: major American city in nineteen sixty five, and we have
Speaker 2: no clue as to yeah, yeah, nineteen sixty three. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: I misspoke in nineteen sixty three, and have absolutely no clue,
Speaker 2: definitively as to what happened, how it happened.
Speaker 10: Why it happened, Yeah, not for nothing. For them to
Speaker 10: withhold information documents like they're elected officials, they worked for
Speaker 10: the people, like we have the right to notice, and
Speaker 10: they don't have the right to withhold it, you know.
Speaker 10: And if they want to withhold it, then they shouldn't
Speaker 10: be in office because it's it's not right.
Speaker 2: I happen to agree with you. I think that we
Speaker 2: are now back in the time and you saw much younger, James.
Speaker 2: You sound to me like you're I'm all right, yeah.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is back at the time, the
Speaker 2: Cold War was at its height, and there were some
Speaker 2: people who thought, well, this must be the Russians who
Speaker 2: killed Kennedy. Uh, and it was that was that was no. No,
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that Lee Harvey Oswald had let me, James,
Speaker 2: hold on for a second. Just let me, let me
Speaker 2: make my statement, and then I want you to react
Speaker 2: to it. Okay, I just have a little patience with me.
Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald, who many people believe, I think did
Speaker 2: fire shots from the school book depository.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 2: He was captured that day by a Dallas police officer,
Speaker 2: Dallas police officer, after he had had killed another Dallas
Speaker 2: police officer. It's an interesting it's an interesting ruing. He
Speaker 2: had been in the US Marines, that he defected to
Speaker 2: Russia in nineteen fifty nine, and people thought, oh, they
Speaker 2: made him a spy or whatever, and that this was
Speaker 2: Russia trying to take out President Kennedy height of the
Speaker 2: Cold War. There were all sorts of theories going on.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you knew that Oswald had defected
Speaker 2: to Russia. Maybe you did.
Speaker 11: Yeah, No, I knew that. I actually did like a
Speaker 11: lot of reading on it and what not. But I mean,
Speaker 11: it's interesting to me that you know, so many years
Speaker 11: later that we still don't have a clue. Yeah, and
Speaker 11: we really we listened to what we're told, you know,
Speaker 11: And that's that's kind of sad because It's like what
Speaker 11: we're told is not always the truth, and then we
Speaker 11: find out.
Speaker 10: Later the truth was. And then it's like the people
Speaker 10: that are responsible for the lives are dead and they
Speaker 10: can't You can't prosecute them, you can't, you can't do
Speaker 10: anything do them.
Speaker 2: That's true, you know true. I appreciate you calling him
Speaker 2: on my break. I gotta get going. I wish I
Speaker 2: had a better conversation with you, but thank you for calling,
Speaker 2: and thank you for having an interest in something that
Speaker 2: happened sixty one years ago today. Thanks James, Thanks good night.
Speaker 2: We'll take quick break, coming right back. I got Paul
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, Ted in Texas. I'll get both of them
Speaker 2: in before the eleven o'clock news, I promise. And the
Speaker 2: Amber alert situation has been resolved without any injury to
Speaker 2: the children and our news team. I'm sure we'll have
Speaker 2: more at eleven o'clock. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Back to the calls we go. Let me go to
Speaker 2: Ted in Texas. Hey, Ded, welcome back. Haven't talked to
Speaker 2: you in a while. Go right ahead, Ted, Okay, let's
Speaker 2: put ted on hold. I think he's out walking his dog.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul, you're next on Nightside.
Speaker 9: Go right ahead, all right, Dan, great show. I personally,
Speaker 9: I personally think that it was definitely, at least at
Speaker 9: the middlemum, a second gunman on the grassian all because
Speaker 9: you know yourself, Dad, if somebody pushes you from behind,
Speaker 9: you don't fall backwards. And I think, whoever's the next
Speaker 9: grassian all shot President Kenny in the throat. And maybe
Speaker 9: he even had that filhad shot. I don't you know,
Speaker 9: Oswald might have been I don't know. I know the
Speaker 9: simplest explorations that Akman's razor and and that's the one
Speaker 9: that every pretty much stands by it. But and you
Speaker 9: mentioned the Mark White. I couldn't believe you did that
Speaker 9: because I was trying to think that what the author
Speaker 9: was and when you mentioned Mark White, I must fell over.
Speaker 2: Well, as we said, grape minds sake alike?
Speaker 9: Right right, well do I wouldn't put myself in the
Speaker 9: same category as using that. But anyway, you know, it's amazing.
Speaker 9: I think President Trump, what a good thing is with
Speaker 9: with Bobby Kenny Junior I know that he'll push, you know,
Speaker 9: President Trump to release that. And they should also get
Speaker 9: what happened with Malcolm X, would happened with Martin Luther K,
Speaker 9: and what happened that RFK Senior. They should get all
Speaker 9: four of those who released everything. I don't see what
Speaker 9: why they're holding and had a lot of people. And
Speaker 9: for as bad as the sixties were, people forget there's
Speaker 9: not maybe forty years ago. You know, John Lennon got assassinated.
Speaker 9: A few months later, Ronald Reagan almost passed away, but
Speaker 9: President Ackley and then the Pope got shot and you
Speaker 9: know that was that was within five months, not five
Speaker 9: five years. So but I hope, damn they get to
Speaker 9: the bottom of it, and I hope President Trump keeps
Speaker 9: his word. And there are some people that I don't
Speaker 9: know if you release said it or not. There's some
Speaker 9: people that said that President Trump's even to release the
Speaker 9: that uh ed afl with that Jeffrey Epstein, you know
Speaker 9: he does and he doesn't. But right now you know
Speaker 9: it's JFK.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 9: It was sixty one years ago, like you mentioned, and
Speaker 9: there's there's no reason in the world but we American
Speaker 9: people can't hear the truth of what happened. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I think that. Look, we have a case up here
Speaker 2: in Boston where a bunch of guys utilized services at
Speaker 2: a brothel and they're having debates over whether or not
Speaker 2: their name should be made public here and in a
Speaker 2: state Supreme Court case. You can you'll see that one. Look,
Speaker 2: I think that all of this, all of this r
Speaker 2: F K, Martin, Luther King, Malcolm X, the Epstein file,
Speaker 2: everything should be out there for the world to see.
Speaker 2: At this opinion.
Speaker 9: You know what, you know what you're you're you're you're
Speaker 9: a Bostoner. But I remember that case years ago. You
Speaker 9: remember what that uh what they call that woman, that
Speaker 9: babysitter that shook that baby to death. They had an
Speaker 9: aid for.
Speaker 2: Your name. Your name was Louise Woodworth.
Speaker 9: She was from England and they had some guy they had.
Speaker 9: If there's an aid for that, there's a it's not
Speaker 9: a baby. There are something else.
Speaker 2: It's called the it's called shaken baby syndrome.
Speaker 9: No, but the name. They called her, a state caller,
Speaker 9: a baby stir. They called her something else. There's some
Speaker 9: it's some some fancy worth. You never heard of me
Speaker 9: called babies there anymore. But they you know, those people
Speaker 9: in England actually.
Speaker 2: Thought she was she was if you're I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to answer your questions fast and furious. Here she was
Speaker 2: a nanny. Okay, So she was someone who was living
Speaker 2: in the home with his family.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 2: And the parents doctors. But I don't want to get off.
Speaker 2: I know a lot about that case. But that's frue.
Speaker 9: But which which which surprised me, Dan was the people
Speaker 9: in England said they were fully prosecutor because they weren't.
Speaker 9: They were Irish, And I thought that was most despicable
Speaker 9: thing those people ever said over there.
Speaker 2: No, the parents were not Irish.
Speaker 9: No, but they the prosecutor. And Massachusetts wasn't that woman?
Speaker 9: Was that woman?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 9: I thought you was on They found her guilty and everything.
Speaker 9: But I tell what you're saying that I wanted. This
Speaker 9: is my president, Kenny's family, and I should have.
Speaker 2: I hate to do this to you, man, but I've
Speaker 2: gone full minutes with you, and I got others they
Speaker 2: got to grab. Okay, thank you, buddy, by appreciate. Let
Speaker 2: me try ted in Texas one more time. Ted, we've
Speaker 2: strived once, we missed. You're back right.
Speaker 9: Ahead, Okay, I'm back. How are you.
Speaker 2: Tight on time, buddy? You go right ahead.
Speaker 8: Okay, I'm gonna come. I'm gonna keep it short. I
Speaker 8: hope you and your family are well. So I think
Speaker 8: we can I think we can all agree that when
Speaker 8: President Kennedy was shot, it was a loss of innocence
Speaker 8: for the entire country. But if you look back over history,
Speaker 8: you know, my dad, my grandpa, you know, fought in
Speaker 8: World War One and World War Two respectively. You look
Speaker 8: back to you know, Arts, Duke, Friends, Ferdinand of Austria,
Speaker 8: what started you.
Speaker 12: Know, World War One?
Speaker 8: These terrible, terrible acts and uh, you know, none of
Speaker 8: us know what really happened, but it was horrific and
Speaker 8: it really changed our country forever. It was, you know,
Speaker 8: just very very tragic. But whether you were a report, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It was, it was. It was a marker. I mean,
Speaker 2: we had come out of World War Two as the
Speaker 2: country we were the most superior. We were at the
Speaker 2: superior superpower of the world. Russia was moving up when
Speaker 2: they when they you know, challenge us with Sputnik and
Speaker 2: all of that. And then we we got into the
Speaker 2: space race and landed the people in the moon. But
Speaker 2: on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Our veneer of
Speaker 2: invincibility was shattered.
Speaker 8: I totally agree, totally great. And you and I grew
Speaker 8: up in the same neighborhood at the exact same time,
Speaker 8: and I think we totally agree and it's just tragic.
Speaker 12: So we'll talk.
Speaker 2: I missed talking to you. Come on back, We'll call you.
Speaker 8: I've been a busy guy, man, I'm working, working, working,
Speaker 8: I'm trying to make it all happen in Texas and
Speaker 8: down and Chatham and got my numbers.
Speaker 2: I know exactly who this is, my family, I know
Speaker 2: exactly who that is.
Speaker 8: You need there, everybody, Doc, you, Ted, Thrank, you, Thanks
Speaker 8: all right.
Speaker 2: I got to go to Jean and Walpole. Geen you
Speaker 2: next on nights. I want to get you in here
Speaker 2: under the wire. Go ahead, Gene.
Speaker 12: Uh Man. I don't know. I just got out of work.
Speaker 12: I don't know if this is this has been talked
Speaker 12: about before, but there's a d v D out and
Speaker 12: it's called the Men That Killed Kennedy. I think it
Speaker 12: was put out by the History Channel at one time.
Speaker 12: I've had it on had it on VHF, but I
Speaker 12: got it on d v D now and it's it's
Speaker 12: it's really really really interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with that, but but there is, there
Speaker 2: are all of these theories. Uh again we the theories
Speaker 2: never would have you know, been propagated. Uh if if
Speaker 2: we had understood uh the truth shortly thereafter.
Speaker 12: You know, yeah, well if you if you could see
Speaker 12: that that uh that d v d uh it was,
Speaker 12: it would put a lot of ideas in your head though.
Speaker 12: And it's really really interesting. The men that killed Kennedy.
Speaker 2: And all right, I've got.
Speaker 9: On e bay Okay, I've.
Speaker 12: Got okay, I thank you. I think you'll like it.
Speaker 2: Killed Kennedy. Thank you very much, appreciate it. Jeane, thank
Speaker 2: you how much? Good night? What's what's the time? Rob?
Speaker 2: Here we go, okay, Jim Man less than a minute.
Speaker 2: What do you want to add? Jim, go right ahead.
Speaker 13: I want to make some Hey Dan uh okay, there.
Speaker 13: I think there was a huge contract out on the
Speaker 13: guy and there are a lot of people looking to
Speaker 13: do it, and all of a sudden it be you know,
Speaker 13: the window opened up and they all did it at
Speaker 13: the same time. So that's why it's a big mess
Speaker 13: and nobody can figure out what happened because.
Speaker 2: So it's like side gangs deciding to rub the same
Speaker 2: bank at the same.
Speaker 13: Time, and all of a sudden the opportunity presents itself.
Speaker 13: But it was probably a big contract, so a lot
Speaker 13: of people were wanting it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 13: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: That's the theory. That's an interesting theory. Cop. No one
Speaker 2: can dispute that one. We'll see what happens. I hope
Speaker 2: that that when he becomes president again, President Trump, one
Speaker 2: of the first things he does is make everything open.
Speaker 2: Let you know, let's let the sunshine in the greatest disinfectant.
Speaker 13: Okay, Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas to you, to you.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, we'll talk before Christmas. We may not talk
Speaker 2: before Thanksgiving. I'm actually off next week, Jim, so we'll no.
Speaker 13: You get in here, all right, see a little.
Speaker 2: Later, man, Thank you very much. All right, here comes
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