Speaker 1: You created everything, what put a powerful being you are?
Speaker 2: You did these things, but now you're in a human body,
Speaker 2: you forget the power you have.
Speaker 3: What you do is what the whole universe is doing
Speaker 3: at the place you call here, and now you are
Speaker 3: something the whole universe is doing in the same way
Speaker 3: that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.
Speaker 1: You're doing doing what.
Speaker 2: Welcome to metamistics where you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 2: My name is Jonathan, I'm Sean, and tonight we bring
Speaker 2: back Lord Byron Jest for the Wonder Wednesday episode fan favorite.
Speaker 4: You know, we had to do it.
Speaker 1: Hell not much, man, Everything's great here in the great
Speaker 1: Nation of Desiree.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is, but you're in
Speaker 2: Uh it's not Nevada, it's Utah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Desiree.
Speaker 1: You know that's what they were kind of calling the
Speaker 1: whole area out here Mormon Country.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well yeah, I'm sure it's very interesting living
Speaker 2: out there around all those folk. I mean to be honest,
Speaker 2: every time that I've ever been in front of a Mormon,
Speaker 2: they've always been the nicest people. Have you had that experience, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's they're they're nice, but it's not like Southern
Speaker 1: people where they're like friendly, you know, like they're nice.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll make small talk with you and stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's not like the South where you know, it's
Speaker 1: just one of those things. It's it's it's a different culture,
Speaker 1: you know. It's what where I live. Uh, they're a
Speaker 1: little more prejudiced against outsiders than some of the other
Speaker 1: areas around But where I live, it's like it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where you can be Mormon and not
Speaker 1: from Utah and to be okay. And to a lesser extent,
Speaker 1: you can be not Mormon but from Utah and it's okay.
Speaker 1: But you can't be both not Mormon and not from Utah.
Speaker 1: Around here, yeah, not even that long ago. A couple
Speaker 1: months ago, there is some old timer, one of those
Speaker 1: old school Mormons, Utah Mormons, that hates outsiders. And this
Speaker 1: people I think, I think they might have moved from
Speaker 1: California or something. But this this dude straight up like
Speaker 1: cut a hole in a tennis ball, filled it with
Speaker 1: rat poison, threw it over the fence, and killed their dog.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, just to let them know they weren't welcome,
Speaker 1: you know, and apparently that's something that happens out here.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: But but not everyone's like that.
Speaker 1: Some of the people are here are super chill, you know,
Speaker 1: but there's some old schoolers out here that you know,
Speaker 1: just don't take kindly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well, especially if they find out you're doing magic.
Speaker 2: I imagine very much be welcome.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, it's it's so funny too, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I used to think it was so lame people that
Speaker 1: were like, you know, I had like tattoos and like
Speaker 1: pentagrams are like visible and stuff. And but after like
Speaker 1: living here, like I kind of get it now, Like
Speaker 1: I definitely see why people would want to represent just
Speaker 1: let people know, like, screw.
Speaker 4: You, right, Do you have any tattoos byron?
Speaker 1: I do. I got two goat heads on my chest.
Speaker 5: I have six six six and dice on the inside
Speaker 5: of my.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, I was jokingly saying Satanist and then
Speaker 2: you had to go six six six.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, so the goat heads, you know, because for the
Speaker 1: longest time, and it's still a trend now, but everyone
Speaker 1: would get like nautical stars or like blue jays or
Speaker 1: like swallows right.
Speaker 5: There on their chest.
Speaker 1: And I always thought it was so lame, and I
Speaker 1: was like, why don't people get something cool tattoo right there,
Speaker 1: like some goat heads? And then I was like light bulb,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like talking crap when I was
Speaker 1: drunk one night and then I and then I went
Speaker 1: and did it and it was great.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I mean I can't really say anything. I
Speaker 2: got superheroes on my chest, so there you go. Spider
Speaker 2: Man and The Punisher. Those were two of my favorite
Speaker 2: superheroes at the time.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Real quick, we also got those those mind folds from
Speaker 4: from Jamie star Walker.
Speaker 1: Dude. That was such an awesome pot you guys did.
Speaker 1: And one thing I want to say that, you know,
Speaker 1: like one really simple thing that I think really helps
Speaker 1: tune keep people tune into their clairvoyants. Like one of
Speaker 1: these simple little things that anyone can do. But start
Speaker 1: using your night vision, you know, and stop using like
Speaker 1: flashlights when you're out, you know, and stuff and and
Speaker 1: and just let your eyes adjust to the night. I
Speaker 1: For one, you can see better when when you do that.
Speaker 1: And then two it kind of increases your clairevoyants a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean like night vision goggles.
Speaker 1: No, I mean like letting your natural night vision kick
Speaker 1: in the lack of So what I'll do is I'll
Speaker 1: close my eyes and then cut my hands over my
Speaker 1: eyes for like a few seconds, and then I'll open
Speaker 1: my eyes and then I'll.
Speaker 5: Take them off, and then by then I'm like fully
Speaker 5: adjusted and.
Speaker 4: Fucking magic, dude. Yeah, So yeah, I actually, uh, I
Speaker 4: tried it the first. I just got it. We just
Speaker 4: got them yesterday. So I tried it and I sat
Speaker 4: there for because you can't see anything at all, like,
Speaker 4: and I was doing it with my eyes open, and
Speaker 4: so as soon as you put it on, you see
Speaker 4: absolutely it was pits pitch It's pitch black.
Speaker 2: Right, well, stuff the eye holes in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And but you know why, dude, and I and
Speaker 4: I think I know why because after about fifteen minutes
Speaker 4: I just sat there for like fifteen minutes. Of course,
Speaker 4: you start to see your own, like I don't know,
Speaker 4: shapes floating around and just different things. But at one
Speaker 4: point I saw a little pinhole of light now coming
Speaker 4: through and it was because I was I was like
Speaker 4: turning it a certain way, and all of a sudden
Speaker 4: there was like light coming in. There's no way that
Speaker 4: this that light was coming from outside of the map,
Speaker 4: because when you put them on, you see absolutely nothing,
Speaker 4: and so I think whatever is happening was starting to happen.
Speaker 4: And then as soon as I tried to like shift
Speaker 4: my awareness to where that pinhole light was, it kind
Speaker 4: of like went away. And I was like, it was
Speaker 4: so impressive that I took the mask off and I
Speaker 4: started like looking at the mask looking for like a pinhole,
Speaker 4: Like I really thought that I was being tricked or something.
Speaker 4: I was like, there's no way this is already working. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know those things are actually they're not
Speaker 2: even meant for, you know, seeing without eyes. It's meant
Speaker 2: for like a completely blacked out meditation, you know, like
Speaker 2: that was the reason why they were created in the
Speaker 2: first place.
Speaker 4: And it would be great for that. And it's real
Speaker 4: comfortable too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and people, you know, have a hard time if
Speaker 2: there's light or anything happening on the outside. They can't
Speaker 2: shut off their mind, so they want it complete, you know,
Speaker 2: complete darkness and everything. So that's the idea of those
Speaker 2: things is that it does give you the complete darkness.
Speaker 2: So just the fact that anybody is getting a pinhole
Speaker 2: of any kind of light is it's it's not happening
Speaker 2: in like reality, you know what I mean. No, I
Speaker 2: mean not not reality reality, but I mean like with
Speaker 2: your eyes reality.
Speaker 4: With your physical eyes. Yeah, and so much so dude,
Speaker 4: that I literally was like looking at it and inspecting
Speaker 4: it and seeing if is there like a little hole
Speaker 4: somewhere And I was able to see it because I
Speaker 4: turned my head just right. But no, none at all.
Speaker 4: So yeah, whatever it is, dude, there's definitely something to it.
Speaker 4: And having your eyes open in pitch black, it's just
Speaker 4: it's just better. Anyways, I think I'm gonna meditate like
Speaker 4: that for the next few.
Speaker 2: That is freaking awesome, dude. Yeah, I can't wait to
Speaker 2: get my hands on those. I'm making a trip out
Speaker 2: there here in like like three weeks.
Speaker 4: So it'll be here, man, it'll be here. It's awesome.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah. And did you guys shout out to Jamie
Speaker 4: for that for shout out to the star Walker.
Speaker 1: Did you guys ever see that experiment where they took
Speaker 1: these kindergarteners and they blindfolded them and they spun them
Speaker 1: around a few times. No, and they and they had
Speaker 1: and then to see it could pinpoint north and and
Speaker 1: like almost all of them could it was like eighty
Speaker 1: five percent or something could really, but it's something that
Speaker 1: you lose over time. And I'm sure public education and
Speaker 1: you know, our diet and doculations and all that places.
Speaker 5: Role in it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like a lot of kids are have that
Speaker 1: innate ability to just find north.
Speaker 2: Oh dude. You think about all the heavy metals that
Speaker 2: are in our body through many things, right, not to
Speaker 2: even call out one specific thing, but all the different
Speaker 2: heavy metals, and you know, nobody's really doing any kind
Speaker 2: of purge. You know, it's it's not even a common
Speaker 2: thing to have any kind of cleanse over here. You
Speaker 2: go to almost any other country, it's like like over
Speaker 2: in Brazil, I know for sure, if you go over
Speaker 2: to Brazil, there is like everybody knows to do a cleanse,
Speaker 2: like at least once a month, like for worms and
Speaker 2: parasites and heavy metals and all that other shit. Right,
Speaker 2: But over here it's like, well, we live in the
Speaker 2: clean place. It's like, look around, it's really not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was dud.
Speaker 1: People people outside of the West Coast don't even really
Speaker 1: drink water, you know, like it's not nuts. That's something
Speaker 1: like that I kind of got judged for when I
Speaker 1: first moved here. They thought that I was like some
Speaker 1: snobby West Coast person because I wasn't gonna drink like
Speaker 1: tap water. It's like, dude, you might as well drink
Speaker 1: toilet water, Like what are you talking about? You know,
Speaker 1: this is a desert. This isn't like the Pacific Northwest
Speaker 1: where it rains like two hundred days a year, two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty days a year. This is a desert.
Speaker 1: The water is not very good here. And I just
Speaker 1: couldn't believe.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you guys live in a desert and you don't.
Speaker 1: Drink good water? Like yeah, I was so shocked, you know.
Speaker 4: And then who knows? I mean even with drinking bottled water,
Speaker 4: Like even that, I'm starting to think, like probably isn't
Speaker 4: the greatest for us bottling company. Isn't, Like, let's make
Speaker 4: sure this plastic is the best quality, you know, so
Speaker 4: that they're not just micro Now we got microplastics. It's like, okay,
Speaker 4: just one more fating we got to think about.
Speaker 1: What's messed up is the plastic for our cleaning chemicals
Speaker 1: is much better and safer than the plastic for our
Speaker 1: food and water, you know, right, you know what's crazy
Speaker 1: is I think DuPont actually owns the patents for all
Speaker 1: of the plastics we use, so it's basically just one
Speaker 1: company owns the patents for all of them, which is
Speaker 1: probably why so many of the plastics we use for
Speaker 1: our food and water are basically like made out of
Speaker 1: a synthetic estrogen or like a mimics estrogen.
Speaker 2: The frogs gay. It's a fact.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: That's another thing that's kind of bummer about Alex Jones
Speaker 1: doing the rant the way he did. And uh, you
Speaker 1: know because like especially like on the West Coast, people
Speaker 1: people on the West Coast where the people that were
Speaker 1: like bringing awareness about monsanto and floride and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: The two counties I lived in in Washington, uh, Scadget
Speaker 1: in Walcome County, Uh Uh, neither of them had fluoride
Speaker 1: in the water because of the because of the liberals.
Speaker 1: The liberals like brought forth all this uh information and
Speaker 1: everything and fought tooth and then and so there was
Speaker 1: no floorid in the water up there. I think Linden
Speaker 1: had fluoride in and that up in Walkam County.
Speaker 5: And that's a Mormon community.
Speaker 2: The east of Bellingham, Like do they really care about
Speaker 2: our teeth so much that they put fluoride in the water.
Speaker 2: It doesn't even make sense, do you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Remember, do you remember what I just said?
Speaker 1: No one drinks water, you know, like how much of
Speaker 1: that is even coming in contact with your teeth. You're
Speaker 1: absorbing it when you take a bath and you take
Speaker 1: a shower, you know. And yeah, it's it's terrible. But
Speaker 1: you know, if if Alex Jones didn't do that infamous rant,
Speaker 1: I think a lot more people would have been exposing atrozine,
Speaker 1: you know, because no one even knows that what he
Speaker 1: was talking about. No one even knows that atrezine is.
Speaker 1: They just think of turning the frogs gay, which they
Speaker 1: immediately compute as like being gay as a natural or
Speaker 1: you're hate being gave you you know, it's just this.
Speaker 1: You know. The same people that would have exposed that
Speaker 1: are the same people that completely shut.
Speaker 5: It out because of him, because the way he delivered
Speaker 5: the message.
Speaker 2: Well that's you know, the the the chemicals that they
Speaker 2: spray on the cars and the bugs and all that shit, right,
Speaker 2: that's that's what's the atrozine is made of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget if it's an herbicide or a fungus side.
Speaker 1: I think it's a fungus side that could be an herbicide.
Speaker 5: But yeah, apparently it's the number one contaminate in our water.
Speaker 2: I don't even doubt that.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Well it does sound scary. And speaking
Speaker 2: of scary, this is the Halloween episode. So this is
Speaker 2: the reason why we decided to go full on Lord
Speaker 2: Byron Jester because he brought up a few short months
Speaker 2: ago while purgase not and said, I actually think that
Speaker 2: while purchase not is, the veil is a little bit
Speaker 2: thinner on that day than it even is Halloween.
Speaker 1: I mean it, I wouldn't say the veils thinner, but
Speaker 1: I feel like I get bet my best results on
Speaker 1: that day, you know, right around then. But I'll say this, man,
Speaker 1: since I've moved to Utah, like I'm really high up
Speaker 1: in elevation, the air is really thin. The sun burns
Speaker 1: completely different, and uh, living up here, there's a completely
Speaker 1: different color spectrum that the sun gives off. And when
Speaker 1: right as soon as like I want to say, like
Speaker 1: right around ten eleven, ten thirteen, like right when the
Speaker 1: leaves really started turning color and getting ready to fall off. Man,
Speaker 1: it looked so golden and so beautiful up here. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's a different color spectrum because because the
Speaker 1: light rays hit different when the airs this thin.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, it's so cool, like especially this time
Speaker 2: of year, you know, during during the fall time.
Speaker 1: It is I could I could really feel that energetic shift,
Speaker 1: you know, this year more than more than any other year.
Speaker 5: I could really feel it this year.
Speaker 1: It was amazing.
Speaker 2: It's something about you know, it makes the air a
Speaker 2: little bit you know, thinner, and it's not it's not
Speaker 2: holding so much moisture and everything, so the sky's a
Speaker 2: little bit more clear and everything too. And uh yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just my favorite time of year due is the fall.
Speaker 4: You said that you found to shift the shift even
Speaker 4: more so this year. Do you have any idea of why,
Speaker 4: what would be the reason for that.
Speaker 1: I think part of it, I was just paying attention
Speaker 1: to it. You Like, so in western Washington, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of like hardwood trees. It's pretty much all evergreen,
Speaker 1: you know, so you don't really get like those beautiful
Speaker 1: fall colors like you do like here, especially the East Coast,
Speaker 1: like some.
Speaker 5: Of the small towns, especially like small towns on the
Speaker 5: East Coast, so you.
Speaker 1: Have like those old brick buildings and all the leaves
Speaker 1: start changing color just feel so magical. But but for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I just really notice it this year more
Speaker 1: than any other year.
Speaker 5: I noticed it this year.
Speaker 1: I could really feel the shift, like like like at
Speaker 1: the day, like the day that it shifted, I could
Speaker 1: really feel it.
Speaker 4: I think there's something to the smell too, like just
Speaker 4: the smell of the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sol, you know, I'm in Phoenix, and so we don't
Speaker 4: get a lot of It's hard to even tell that
Speaker 4: it's almost Halloween time for the most part, because a
Speaker 4: lot of the plants that do live here are just
Speaker 4: you know, the same color all year round. You know,
Speaker 4: they live here because they can survive here with with
Speaker 4: the lack of water and everything else. And so but
Speaker 4: I can definitely tell like when this time of years coming.
Speaker 4: It's just I don't know, the atmosphere just feels and
Speaker 4: I was different.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, there's a different spiritual energy in the desert too. Man,
Speaker 5: that's another thing. The desert feels completely different.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm finally getting over not being close to
Speaker 1: the water because I've you know, I grew up on
Speaker 1: the Eastern Shore in Virginia, and on like military basis
Speaker 1: and for the Coast Guard, and then on western Washington.
Speaker 1: So I've been on the water like my whole life,
Speaker 1: and it feels so weird to be landlocked.
Speaker 5: Right, It's finally starting to feel normal now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll get used to it, dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Whenever we visit California and we're starting to drive back
Speaker 4: home and I can smell like that desert air, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, like, I don't know, I just love it.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the desert, Speaking of the desert, Byron, have
Speaker 2: you ever gone out into the desert by yourself and
Speaker 2: done psychedelics?
Speaker 5: No, but we should do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we shouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: We should totally do that.
Speaker 4: That's a great idea.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it whenever he was saying it.
Speaker 2: You know, what was it a last week or a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, the guy that we had, And
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, it sounds cool until like
Speaker 2: a fucking cobra or like a coyote comes up on you.
Speaker 2: You know, then and then you're tripping on top of it.
Speaker 2: I would probably scare the ship out of me, But
Speaker 2: I don't know, Maybe you just get it and it just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the we have rattlesnakes here, but where I'm
Speaker 1: at I haven't seen any. But apparently, like sometimes in
Speaker 1: the summer they get ran over a lot because they'll
Speaker 1: start like kind of like laying on the pavement for
Speaker 1: that extra warmth, you know, because because they've kind of
Speaker 1: like retained that heat and so so a lot of
Speaker 1: people run them over. I found this dead snake. It
Speaker 1: was like a giant It wasn't giant. It was probably
Speaker 1: like two and a half feet long. Uh, it was
Speaker 1: kind of thick though for how long it was. It
Speaker 1: was green, really brightly pretty color green.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: Someone killed it right behind my house.
Speaker 1: And uh, but apparently that I forget what it's called,
Speaker 1: but that snake apparently eats rattlesnake.
Speaker 5: So that's a snake you don't want to kill. That's
Speaker 5: a snake one around.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I was thinking about getting a couple
Speaker 1: of some rat shots, you know, and just carrying, you know,
Speaker 1: just bringing my gun with some rat shots.
Speaker 4: You know. I'm glad you'll be there to protect us. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we do go out there.
Speaker 1: So this is something I've been wanting to do for
Speaker 1: a long time. And everyone tells me it's a bad idea,
Speaker 1: and I shouldn't do it, but to eat some acid
Speaker 1: and shoot some clay pigeons, just pool and just seeing
Speaker 1: the tracers from the from the little clay pelots boom boom,
Speaker 1: that'd be so fun.
Speaker 5: Everyone says.
Speaker 1: Everyone says like, no, you totally shouldn't do that, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Probably magical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be pretty amazing. And you know,
Speaker 1: you're only gonna do it for a few minutes and
Speaker 1: get bored with.
Speaker 4: It, and then you know, I can just imagine though,
Speaker 4: what that would be like, hanging out with Byron in
Speaker 4: the desert doing doing something like that and then he
Speaker 4: starts doing some magical spell dude, like I would.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I also have a bunch of have some hand drums,
Speaker 1: and I got an acoustic guitar.
Speaker 5: And one thing I like to do.
Speaker 1: With my hand drums too is uh, I bring my
Speaker 1: high hat for my drum set and uh, so, so
Speaker 1: I played the hand drums. I'll have two of them
Speaker 1: and uh and then it hit the high hat so
Speaker 1: it almost sounds like a full drum set.
Speaker 5: It's pretty bad.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that'll you know, And just a curiosity Byron.
Speaker 2: How far away is Sedona from you?
Speaker 1: I have no idea might be worth the drive.
Speaker 2: I think that's the place to be right there, baby.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm on the northeast side of Utah. I'm
Speaker 1: just like right below Wyoming and right next to Colorado.
Speaker 1: Uh so it's all I pretty much just have to
Speaker 1: drive south to get to Arizona. But where I'm at,
Speaker 1: I think it's all just like highways, and they're all
Speaker 1: kind of like interconnected, so it's not like an interstate
Speaker 1: where you can just drive down really fast, because I
Speaker 1: think I think it should be like a three hour drive,
Speaker 1: but I think it ends up being like a four or.
Speaker 5: Five hour drive.
Speaker 2: What's the what's the name of that.
Speaker 5: I'm in the U Dow basin u I n t
Speaker 5: A basin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're definitely planning on making a trip at some point. Yeah,
Speaker 4: sooner than later, but you know, whenever that happens. But yeah,
Speaker 4: when that happens, you will let you know.
Speaker 1: Man. Oh yeah, and uh e a, he's down in
Speaker 1: the southwest I think side of Utah, so we could
Speaker 1: all meet up, and I think JS and Layton will
Speaker 1: come out too.
Speaker 2: That's a good nine hour drive for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's doable, but man, I'd be haggard
Speaker 5: after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might have to come out the day before.
Speaker 2: Just get a hotel.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, man, dude, Like you get these like
Speaker 1: kind of like road hangovers when you drive along distance.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just and the worst is like when
Speaker 1: you're just sitting there and you feel like you're still
Speaker 1: slowing down and speeding up and turning, like you still feel.
Speaker 5: Like you're in motion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just sitting still and last for like an
Speaker 1: hour or so.
Speaker 4: There was one time where I drove It was only
Speaker 4: a five hour, five and a half hour drive, but
Speaker 4: we didn't start driving until like eleven o'clock at night,
Speaker 4: and by the time we got halfway, I shot you
Speaker 4: not I was starting to hallucinate. Yeah, it was one time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there was one time I thought an overpass was coming
Speaker 4: and then it was coming. It was coming, and then
Speaker 4: I was like there was no overpass, dude, Like it
Speaker 4: was just in my in my mind, I was like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck we need to get home?
Speaker 1: And out here in Utah some of the roads are
Speaker 1: like really like not well kept, and they salt the
Speaker 1: roads and they don't use like the best paint on
Speaker 1: them either. So you can't see the lions on the
Speaker 1: roads either. Yeah, so you have to be careful not
Speaker 1: to speed too much at night because you because you
Speaker 1: might be coming up on a turn and you might
Speaker 1: not be able to see it because you can't see
Speaker 1: the lions, you know. Yeah, we're like Western Washington. They
Speaker 1: were like fluorescent, you know, they like really pop out
Speaker 1: at night, you know, they you know, but you kind
Speaker 1: of need that in Washington because it's so dark and
Speaker 1: wet all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just getting over the chat. Hey, I did want
Speaker 2: to say for the chat tonight, if you guys have
Speaker 2: any question questions that you would like to ask Lord Byron,
Speaker 2: just let us know. That's that's what it's here, That's
Speaker 2: what he's here for. You know, it's one big community.
Speaker 2: Ashton said, s up, the one? What do Ashton? Good
Speaker 2: to see you again?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: And Benjamin said, hello, the one. I love. It's just understood,
Speaker 2: the one.
Speaker 4: You know, the one.
Speaker 2: And also, I mean, what if we just looked at
Speaker 2: not even just the our group of listeners as the one. Dude,
Speaker 2: if it's all the one, what if you just like
Speaker 2: went up to your mom and was like what up one,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, or like something like that,
Speaker 2: like I I yeah, yeah, although she might be like
Speaker 2: what drugs are they giving you nowadays?
Speaker 1: So apparently san Pedro grows out here and apparently.
Speaker 4: It's legal san Pedro.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and it's like peote yea yeah POI has
Speaker 6: a stronger concentrate of mescaline and San Pedro has a
Speaker 6: little bit of a broader spectrum of other flanesthyl means.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, have you done it?
Speaker 1: No? So I really I really want to track this
Speaker 1: stuff down and get out in the.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get real weirdy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'll be ready, dude, I would love it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've I've actually been doing a lot
Speaker 2: of thinking about doing d MT again and I think
Speaker 2: I'm ready, you know, like I think it's just that time.
Speaker 2: And it just took me a long time, dude. It
Speaker 2: like I had to figure out whatever I whatever I saw,
Speaker 2: you know, it had to go through some kind of filter,
Speaker 2: not even a filter. It like entered into me like
Speaker 2: it was some kind of parasite and then it ate
Speaker 2: its way out of me and now I am that parasite.
Speaker 1: You know. It's h Yeah, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: problems with d MT, especially when you smoke it, is
Speaker 1: it's it's so fast, you know, and the first like
Speaker 1: part of the there you're like just totally in astonishment,
Speaker 1: and right when you start getting used to it and
Speaker 1: you started getting all these like real downloads, it just
Speaker 1: goes away, like right when you start having the breakthrough,
Speaker 1: it goes away.
Speaker 4: See, I'm a little I'm still a little bit hesitant
Speaker 4: for the d M T REALM not. I just feel
Speaker 4: like the one thing I'm scared of is is coming
Speaker 4: back changed, but like in the negative, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, for having a super positive you know, transformation
Speaker 4: and like seeing things in just like the greatest way possible.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's like once you go there, you can't
Speaker 4: un goo there, you know. And so and then of
Speaker 4: course after Jonathan's experience, I think, you know, that was
Speaker 4: kind of like a little wake up call. It's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But yeah, you know, the.
Speaker 1: Weird thing with DMT is it it feels for how
Speaker 1: intense it is, it feels insanely normal, you know.
Speaker 4: Familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like like it literally feels like you're going back
Speaker 1: to Grandma's house to visit, like like like it just
Speaker 1: feels so normal and familiar, you know. So, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think I'll have that problem with.
Speaker 2: It, Okay, Yeah, I actually I actually do really like
Speaker 2: especially that first time I did it, Man, it really
Speaker 2: it felt so familiar, dude. And that's what I loved
Speaker 2: about it is that you know, you're you're not bound
Speaker 2: to just the human flesh and the human bones, and
Speaker 2: the aches and the headaches and the and you know,
Speaker 2: just the regular every day I gotta go to work,
Speaker 2: I gotta do this, I gotta do that. Like you're
Speaker 2: put into a place where you're absolutely free like that.
Speaker 2: There's nothing like that, Like it is more relaxing than sleep,
Speaker 2: more inviting than a hug from your grandma, more really
Speaker 2: like it is the best of everything like that. There's
Speaker 2: there's nothing that can compare. And I've often, you know,
Speaker 2: I've felt guilty in the past whenever I've like said, dude,
Speaker 2: it's there is no feeling that could ever compare to that.
Speaker 2: Like all around, it is top notch, and you know,
Speaker 2: the certain things that you figure out while you're in there,
Speaker 2: I mean, it is just and it comes to you
Speaker 2: so easily, almost as if like you had to shift
Speaker 2: your antenna a little bit, and that DMT or whatever
Speaker 2: psychedelic it is, is shifted that antenna so much so
Speaker 2: that you could receive natural information that you would have
Speaker 2: if you hadn't have shifted the antenna so far to
Speaker 2: the one way in the first place kind of.
Speaker 4: Thing, you know. Yeah, Yeah, and I imagine that there
Speaker 4: is a feeling of that oneness and everything else. I
Speaker 4: wish that that was something that and maybe for some
Speaker 4: people it is this way, but you know, you come
Speaker 4: out of that and now you're just like you have
Speaker 4: this extra bit of interconnectiveness to everybody, you know. But
Speaker 4: I feel like that's something that, just like everything else,
Speaker 4: you know, you have a mystical experience, and the next
Speaker 4: day or two maybe you're like having like an extra
Speaker 4: couple levels of compassion for people, and then that kind
Speaker 4: of fades and then you're dealing with your own shit
Speaker 4: and so but that would be really amazing if that
Speaker 4: was something that just kind of stuck with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's something you see like on the
Speaker 1: West Coast a lot, because psychedelics are such a big
Speaker 1: part of the West Coast. West Coast culture and like
Speaker 1: the whole spiritual experience out there but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that they have these huge breakthroughs and then
Speaker 1: it just kind of goes away, you know, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's something you see. And then another pitfall is
Speaker 1: some people rely on it to have those experiences. And
Speaker 1: that's the other problem, you know, instead of having an
Speaker 1: actual spiritual practice, they kind of supplement it with.
Speaker 5: Partying, right, so you know, you kind of think you're becoming.
Speaker 1: More enlightened than you are, and you're probably more enlightened
Speaker 1: than like, you know, like you know, some some miserable person, you.
Speaker 4: Know, m h. But I think, yeah, I just think
Speaker 4: that most people probably think that those mystical experiences without
Speaker 4: some type of substances probably not even that like easy
Speaker 4: to achieve, you know. And it's like it's very possible.
Speaker 4: We've all had them, you know, but it's just a
Speaker 4: matter of kind of staying in there and staying in
Speaker 4: a in a longer meditation or you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: maybe have the mind fold and just stay in the
Speaker 4: pitch dark for an hour listening to you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying four hundred and thirty two hertz or whatever
Speaker 4: it is. But there's definitely things that are that are
Speaker 4: possible dude.
Speaker 5: Yes, Actually, it's just hard to get the good information.
Speaker 5: It's hard to find, you know.
Speaker 1: The spiritual scene is just so oversaturated with crap. Everything's
Speaker 1: oversaturated with crap now because of the Internet, and it's
Speaker 1: it's just hard to find the good stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: And then and then how many people can afford the
Speaker 1: time to put in the you know, that's the other things.
Speaker 1: Most people are just broken down from working and yeah,
Speaker 1: family and all that.
Speaker 4: Well, as far as the good stuff goes, I feel
Speaker 4: like the good stuff is the experience that you yourself has.
Speaker 4: You know, you can listen to Jonathan or or you
Speaker 4: you know Byron, you know about your own experiences and
Speaker 4: this and that, but it's like the experiences that you
Speaker 4: have firsthand, that you experienced, that you know for a
Speaker 4: fact is real, and that it's almost hard to explain
Speaker 4: the that's the good stuff, you know. And that's across
Speaker 4: the board, any religion, any culture of whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Dude. Speaking of that, there is a there's a I
Speaker 2: think it's a TikTok or an Instagram. Yeah, it's an
Speaker 2: Instagram channel and it's become one of my favorites. It
Speaker 2: is called trip Whip Acid, but Dude, every time I
Speaker 2: listened to it, there's this guy that just talks about
Speaker 2: like people that have these crazy breakthrough stories. And I
Speaker 2: listened to this one earlier today, and holy shit, it
Speaker 2: is so crazy. So this guy, he took five grams
Speaker 2: of mushrooms, right, and he had one of the craziest
Speaker 2: experiences ever even remembered, let alone told So, let's check
Speaker 2: it out, dude.
Speaker 7: Reports I've ever read, because it's a perfect example of
Speaker 7: how mushrooms can change your life. For this was the
Speaker 7: author's highest dose he'd ever taken, which was five grams,
Speaker 7: and for it, he decided to meditate in silent darkness.
Speaker 7: Going into this, he said he was confident and had
Speaker 7: no fear, but that wasn't going to last long. After
Speaker 7: meditating for about twenty minutes, he felt the effects kick
Speaker 7: in and according to his wife who was in the
Speaker 7: other room, who's at this time, that all of the
Speaker 7: electricity in the country completely shut down. Suddenly he was
Speaker 7: thrown into a state of nothingness. This might sound frightening,
Speaker 7: but he's he realized this was his real self, which felt.
Speaker 5: Something like infinite love.
Speaker 7: The author says he realized that he was the creator
Speaker 7: of his sober reality, and his sober world was just
Speaker 7: one of infinite possibilities that he could have created. With this,
Speaker 7: he said, he realized he could manifest any reality that
Speaker 7: he imagined, and so he did just that. He began
Speaker 7: creating alternate versions of reality and somehow was able to
Speaker 7: experience living multiple lives in real time simultaneously. Apparently, he
Speaker 7: continued creating these worlds and then living inside them for
Speaker 7: what felt like centuries, and that's when things took a
Speaker 7: turn for the worse. While living out these lives he
Speaker 7: was manifesting, he would remember that it was all his creation,
Speaker 7: and everybody in it felt imagined. He began to panic
Speaker 7: because no matter what reality he created for himself, he
Speaker 7: couldn't shake the terrifying feeling of deep loneliness. Everything he'd
Speaker 7: ever experienced, including his sober life, seemed to be a
Speaker 7: product of his imagination. Suddenly, he woke up and was
Speaker 7: unable to see. The trip seemed to be over, but
Speaker 7: something had gone terribly wrong, leaving the author blind. He
Speaker 7: says he continued living out as life as a blind person,
Speaker 7: but when he realized that this side effect wasn't going
Speaker 7: to wear off, he was overwhelmed with regret and panic.
Speaker 7: This overwhelming feeling caused his reality to dissolve, and he
Speaker 7: returned to the infinite void, where he realized he was
Speaker 7: still inside the trip. But that's when he says he
Speaker 7: experienced the scariest realization of all, because it'd becomes something
Speaker 7: like God, and God itself cannot die. He would be
Speaker 7: forced to live in the state for the rest of eternity.
Speaker 7: After apparently spending centuries in this state, he finally had
Speaker 7: an idea. He remembered his old life before the trip
Speaker 7: had started, and he decided he'd manifested again, but this
Speaker 7: time he'd do everything he could to forget that he
Speaker 7: was the creator. First, he created light, then manifested the
Speaker 7: room that he'd started tripping in, and finally his wife
Speaker 7: appeared before him, and rather than feeling empty or imagined,
Speaker 7: she seemed to embody the energy of God as well
Speaker 7: as she helped him out of the room. He was
Speaker 7: doing his best to actnormal and pretend that he hadn't
Speaker 7: manifested this world, but when he left the room, other
Speaker 7: than his wife, there was nothing but an emptiness. Even
Speaker 7: his body didn't exist. The vividness of this world was fading,
Speaker 7: and he could feel himself returning to the void. He
Speaker 7: quickly imagined his body as well as the outside rooms
Speaker 7: and focused all of his attention on the objects that
Speaker 7: he'd created, and more he focused the really they felt,
Speaker 7: and he could feel what he called his real self
Speaker 7: fading away. And once he'd completely returned to the world
Speaker 7: that he wants knew, apparently all of the power in
Speaker 7: the city returned and the lights in the house turned on.
Speaker 7: He was left with an overwhelming feeling of love and
Speaker 7: a belief that infinite love is so powerful and deep
Speaker 7: that it can't be handled if you have fears, attachments,
Speaker 7: or any negative aspects in your subconscious mind.
Speaker 2: He ended by dude, Oh my god, is that crazy?
Speaker 4: Or what? You know? The feeling that you get right
Speaker 4: before you take some some for rako, Like you know
Speaker 4: it's going to be fun, but you're still a little
Speaker 4: bit nervous, right, Like that's the feeling I got just
Speaker 4: listening to that story, I know. Can you imagine like
Speaker 4: waking up finally and you're blind, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You think that you're out of the trip, and then
Speaker 4: you're who knows how long It felt like he was
Speaker 4: in that state before he went back into the void
Speaker 4: and then everything else played out.
Speaker 2: And that was just five grams of mushrooms.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: You know, so that wasn't even like DMT or anything
Speaker 2: like super crazy, and so yeah, it's pretty crazy. But
Speaker 2: I also thought that it was interesting because it said
Speaker 2: that he the guy that experienced that he was author.
Speaker 2: He was an author, so he was writing books and
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff, So you imagine what is
Speaker 2: already going on in his mind on a regular basis,
Speaker 2: and then whenever he gets there, he convinces himself that
Speaker 2: like all of the things, right, Like, he convinced himself
Speaker 2: that reality didn't exist and he was just making everything
Speaker 2: up and put himself in the void for centuries and
Speaker 2: then literally convinced himself that he was blind and lived
Speaker 2: that way for forever. And it was like, man, the
Speaker 2: craziest things happened, dude. And I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: I think that I don't know, Byron, what do you
Speaker 2: do You think that there's a little there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a mix of the subconscious with with therooms
Speaker 2: that you're coming in contact with, Like, how do you
Speaker 2: think the psychology of all that works?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely you're subconscious. Y's definitely playing
Speaker 1: a role in it. But you know, I think some
Speaker 1: of the experience is external, you know, especially with the
Speaker 1: MT you know, so so I don't think it's just
Speaker 1: your subconscious when it comes to some of the stuff.
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's the uh, the greater part
Speaker 5: of the realm.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: I agree. I think that whatever is going on in
Speaker 2: a psychedelic trip is the same exact thing that's going
Speaker 2: on in a dream, you know, if you really think
Speaker 2: about it, Like it's very similar as far as especially
Speaker 2: the deeper ones like that where you forget that you're
Speaker 2: even a person and you think that you deleted the
Speaker 2: world and you know what I mean, like or people
Speaker 2: that go on these wild journeys or whatever they do,
Speaker 2: right like even with us, whenever we do whenever I've
Speaker 2: done that for Aco before, There's been times I'm I'm
Speaker 2: going into like I don't know, some kind of tunnel,
Speaker 2: but it's so geomatic trick, and it's so exquisite, like
Speaker 2: it's so perfect almost like I don't even know, like uh,
Speaker 2: like a mandelbroad set but times a thousand.
Speaker 4: So much so that it's it almost feels impossible that
Speaker 4: your brain is making that up, you know, like come
Speaker 4: out of that trip, try to recreate that, try to
Speaker 4: draw that, try to explain to somebody what that was like.
Speaker 4: And you can't even do it yet when you're in
Speaker 4: that feeling, that uh that space, it's just effortless, you know,
Speaker 4: it just seems these impossible places.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ever had anything like super crazy like that
Speaker 2: happen on a I mean, you've you're very famous for saying,
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't do DMT forty times, then
Speaker 2: you're a bitch. But I mean, what is one of
Speaker 2: the craziest experiences that you've had on that byron?
Speaker 5: I mean I've had a few.
Speaker 1: I mean I've had a few, you know, but uh
Speaker 1: I remember this one night was the first time I
Speaker 1: ever like binged on it, and so I did it
Speaker 1: like repeatedly throughout the whole night. Would you gonna have
Speaker 1: to do because I mean, when you when you take
Speaker 1: when you trip on like mushrooms or asset's like six seven.
Speaker 5: Eight hours, you know, DMT only last a few minutes, So.
Speaker 1: If you just kind of keep doing it, it's almost
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 5: As like a regular trip by that point.
Speaker 1: But uh, I remember, man, like I'm sleeping.
Speaker 5: Finally pass out and my third.
Speaker 1: Eye had a little bit of a headache too, man.
Speaker 1: And but anyway, I passed out. I'm sleeping, I hear something,
Speaker 1: so I get up, go look out the pet pole,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, look out the other windows. And then
Speaker 1: I go back into the bedroom and I see myself
Speaker 1: sleeping on the uh sleeping in bed. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: WHOA interesting? You know. And that was when I was
Speaker 1: really like like, when that happened, it made it so
Speaker 1: much easier to really differentiate like a lucid dream from
Speaker 1: like going you know more physically out of body. You
Speaker 1: know that that the that next layer to that, you know,
Speaker 1: so I was able. I was able to separate that
Speaker 1: pretty well. So it was it was a worthwhile experience.
Speaker 1: It paid it paid itself off.
Speaker 4: So when you realized that you were outside of your body,
Speaker 4: did you feel like there was like a time is
Speaker 4: of the essence type of feeling like, I feel like
Speaker 4: the one time that I that I felt like I
Speaker 4: possibly had an out of body experience. I felt like
Speaker 4: once I realized what was going on, I felt like
Speaker 4: there was like a time crunch or like a I
Speaker 4: don't know, it was really weird. It was very uneasy
Speaker 4: almost Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I've been doing it since I was
Speaker 1: a kid, so I think by this point I was
Speaker 1: probably pretty used to it.
Speaker 5: But I did go fly around once I realized that,
Speaker 5: you know, I was out of body, I went and
Speaker 5: flew around, you know, right until I woke up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's definitely a sense of like for me anyway,
Speaker 4: it felt like I didn't want to stray too far
Speaker 4: or something. And then I also felt like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: like maybe there was something around or I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, that is something I had to break.
Speaker 1: And that was something that took all especially when I
Speaker 1: really started flying and going really far away. Was that
Speaker 1: fear getting back to the body or going too far?
Speaker 1: You know that once you realize you can't go too
Speaker 1: far and you kind of sever that leash, it's a
Speaker 1: lot better, a lot more effective. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like an inherent limited belief that's kind of ingrained.
Speaker 5: But a lot of the old books that were written
Speaker 5: on the subject back in the day, especially the sixties
Speaker 5: and seventies and stuff eighties, a lot of them have
Speaker 5: this warning like if you don't get back in your
Speaker 5: body before you wake up, you know, party is always
Speaker 5: going to be missing. And they always had.
Speaker 1: These weird little kind of you know, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: based in reality. But you know that that's a big thing, man,
Speaker 1: severing that leash, that self imposed leash.
Speaker 5: You can't go too far, and once you get past that,
Speaker 5: you can go a lot farther.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: And I've always heard that there was like a silver
Speaker 2: cord attached to you anyway, the where you could never
Speaker 2: go too far.
Speaker 5: You know, I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: I've like looked down because some people say it's in
Speaker 1: the umbilical, people say it's in the back of your head.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it, man.
Speaker 5: Strange.
Speaker 4: Do you ever have a sense that you can't like
Speaker 4: turn around, Like the one time or one of the
Speaker 4: times that it happened to me, I felt like I
Speaker 4: had to, like at one point, I was like walking
Speaker 4: backwards for some weird reason. Maybe that was just in
Speaker 4: my own subconscious I don't know, But you ever experience
Speaker 4: something like that where you can't like turn around and
Speaker 4: look behind you?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Maybe, I mean, you have so
Speaker 1: many dreams. I mean, I'm sure it's happened, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, nothing comes to mind.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just weird.
Speaker 1: You know, I believe that's something that would probably happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Ashton said, Hey, y'all, question for Lord Byron,
Speaker 2: what is the effect of having more or less dials
Speaker 2: on your radionics boxes? I was hoping to order one
Speaker 2: by Christmas, and if I could bypass the Etsy fees,
Speaker 2: I'd be willing to send you the money directly when
Speaker 2: the time comes. Thanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I prefer it, really, and I'll hook
Speaker 1: you up. So, uh, what the what the dials in
Speaker 1: the box is? You know, the the consensus is the
Speaker 1: nine dials are a little stronger and and they're definitely
Speaker 1: a little smarter, especially over time the more you use them,
Speaker 1: you know, because because each each dial has a crystal
Speaker 1: R wired to it. And uh, but you know me, personally,
Speaker 1: I kind of prefer using the the uh four dials.
Speaker 1: For for the longest time, the five dials were my favorite.
Speaker 1: I mean, first it was the nine dials, and then
Speaker 1: it was the seven dials because they look the coolest.
Speaker 1: I don't have a seven dollar here, but I do
Speaker 1: have a nine dial in the four dial uh, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know I always use six dial ones for prosperity,
Speaker 1: just how I've always done that, and I usually use
Speaker 1: the five dials for protection and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: me personally, I prefer the four.
Speaker 5: Dials the best.
Speaker 1: Now you know, now that I've I've been doing it
Speaker 1: for so long, I definitely just prefer the four dials.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where to set the dials to?
Speaker 4: Like? Is it? Is?
Speaker 2: It like an intuitive thing?
Speaker 5: Well, once you get good at it, it is.
Speaker 1: Uh so, uh okay, So I got my four dollar
Speaker 1: right here.
Speaker 5: So the output plate is a stick plate.
Speaker 1: Uh so underneath it is the copper plate and has
Speaker 1: this little plastic.
Speaker 5: Sleeve over it.
Speaker 1: And you'll just kind of rub your finger like this,
Speaker 1: or you're the side of your I like using the
Speaker 1: side of my thumb. But uh, you put you put it.
Speaker 1: Whatever you putting you're gonna do on the input and
Speaker 1: and start taking a minute to focus on it. And
Speaker 1: then you start dialing it, and you'll fill your thumb
Speaker 1: or your index finger whatever you're doing. You'll feel a
Speaker 1: kind of skip across the surface, almost like the side.
Speaker 4: Of a balloon, you know, like the friction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it'll just stick.
Speaker 5: Basically, you'll just feel the skip across the surface and
Speaker 5: then you just go and dial the next one. I'm
Speaker 5: not even trying, I'm still getting a stick.
Speaker 1: Ye no go yeah it take whatever represents the target
Speaker 1: or yourself. Put it on the output and turn it
Speaker 1: on and just let it go, just let it rip.
Speaker 1: I don't have one, yeah, but uh, I like incorporating
Speaker 1: it with magic, like I I uh if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do like a like a spell. I guess I don't
Speaker 1: really do spells, but I'll program a vigil candle on
Speaker 1: the output plate and and just let it let it
Speaker 1: charge for like a whole week. So I'll like to
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna do something for prosperity. I'll either do it.
Speaker 5: On like a Wednesday or a Thursday, or.
Speaker 1: Maybe a Sunday, but I'll just say Thursday for Jupiter, right,
Speaker 1: So I'll usually set the box on a Thursday, uh,
Speaker 1: and and probably on the hour of Jupiter, maybe not.
Speaker 1: And then I'll take it off and use it for
Speaker 1: whatever spell I'm going to do a ritual I'm going
Speaker 1: to do on the day and hour of Jupiter. So
Speaker 1: I like to go out for one week, you know
Speaker 1: which for Jupiter's.
Speaker 2: Thursday and so on. Those on the box. You got
Speaker 2: the two panels right there up at the top that
Speaker 2: you were pointing to which one do you put because
Speaker 2: you said that you you typically like to use like
Speaker 2: the Sun Tarot card on one of them, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I like using terrat cards in general because they
Speaker 8: already have like a they're based on like basically an
Speaker 8: element of the skyclock and a force of nature and
Speaker 8: the human psychology.
Speaker 1: So and so everyone's in the tarot, even people that
Speaker 1: aren't really in the magic or a lot of spiritual
Speaker 1: everyone has the tarot deck laying around.
Speaker 5: You know, some people have like twenty.
Speaker 1: You know, that would be me and totally, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's really common for people to stack up tarot decks.
Speaker 5: But but so what.
Speaker 1: I started doing now is I'll actually just take the
Speaker 1: tarot card that I want to use, and then I'll
Speaker 1: print it out on printer paper, cut it out, you know,
Speaker 1: and then on the back side of it all write
Speaker 1: what I want or make a thought form and uh,
Speaker 1: and then use that on the input and whatever I'm
Speaker 1: using on the output.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good idea. So you can really get
Speaker 2: pretty creative with these things.
Speaker 1: Then, Oh dude, there's so much cool stuff you can do.
Speaker 1: And all the machines have input in output jacks. Three
Speaker 1: point five millimeter and put an outpo Jackson. You can
Speaker 1: connect them with other machines.
Speaker 4: You know, so when you when you were helping us
Speaker 4: create MARV, was that on a four dial just out
Speaker 4: of my own curiosity?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I just made them. Oh no, when I
Speaker 1: when I programmed the necklaces, because because because I make
Speaker 1: the servitor first, and then I'll program a talisman after
Speaker 1: the fact, so I'll program it in like a crystal
Speaker 1: or something first, or some type of house.
Speaker 5: But uh, I don't remember. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: It's been a minute.
Speaker 5: Remember which one I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been like a year at least.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have no idea what I did which box
Speaker 5: I use.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I feel I feel naked without this necklace. Dude,
Speaker 2: Like I'm literally I wear it every day.
Speaker 4: I only dude had to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the that that was a really good parcel man.
Speaker 5: That was a really good one.
Speaker 1: And then and then I have the other radios machines,
Speaker 1: and these are actually my favorite right now, the little
Speaker 1: black boxes. This is a vampire box, and just put
Speaker 1: whatever you want to represent your for the input, whatever
Speaker 1: is going to be your source for the energy. So
Speaker 1: you can use the sun. I actually started using the
Speaker 1: Kabba mecha. I think that works really well if if
Speaker 1: you want energy for yourself or something like that someone else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then you know whatever you want the output.
Speaker 1: But you can make thought forms with these, uh, and
Speaker 1: then you can so you can almost use them like
Speaker 1: a regular radiotics machine, just a little different. So like
Speaker 1: like for protection, you can make a thought for them
Speaker 1: that'll collect all of the incoming magical attack.
Speaker 5: Put that on the inside.
Speaker 1: The filter will strip it clean as a filter and
Speaker 1: it so take the clean good energy life force energy
Speaker 1: and run it through and then filter the dirtier, more
Speaker 1: unusable energy back to the input, and then take the
Speaker 1: good energy put out to the output.
Speaker 2: So you don't even need any knobs on that one.
Speaker 5: No, no, And I like these just because they're small.
Speaker 5: They're tiny, they're slick. But I mostly use these right now.
Speaker 1: I still have like a bunch of my dialed machines
Speaker 1: like downstairs that I'm using, especially when I'm programming all
Speaker 1: my candles and incense for whatever I'm going to be
Speaker 1: doing whatever. You know, during like if you have full moons,
Speaker 1: no moons, you know, birthday, I don't know, holidays, you
Speaker 1: know Halloween anything.
Speaker 4: You know, Well, we go outside the desert, just bring
Speaker 4: but on bringing at least one of them vampire boxes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then these ones right here I like a
Speaker 1: lot too, man. These. Uh So the input is the
Speaker 1: copper plate, the output is the antenna. So just broadcasts
Speaker 1: whatever you're gonna do is basically a thought form amplifier.
Speaker 1: And I had one client down in Australia. Uh they
Speaker 1: were working through the cliff off and I think they're
Speaker 1: on the sphere of Mars, but she had that running
Speaker 1: and then they had some painters come over and they
Speaker 1: could just pick up on that coming out of the
Speaker 1: the temple, you know, the magic room. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I guess they were like walking like really far and
Speaker 1: like hugging the wall to get around everything. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: just yeah, they're afraid to even cross it, you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was strong enough to where they were
Speaker 1: picking up on it. Well.
Speaker 2: Look, speaking of I mean, is there any specific ritual
Speaker 2: that you do like to do on Halloween? Like, is
Speaker 2: there like a specific Halloween I only do this on
Speaker 2: Halloween kind of ritual out there.
Speaker 1: That you do not really uh, you know, I'll program
Speaker 1: all my stuff and do whatever. But I kind of
Speaker 1: go by. It depends, you know, like if the moon's
Speaker 1: waxing and waning, if there's anything in particular that I
Speaker 1: need or going on in my life, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: what phase the moon's on, what day of the week
Speaker 1: it falls on, you know, so I might like just
Speaker 1: kind of do it based on like if it lands
Speaker 1: on a Thursday and it's a waxing moon, might focus
Speaker 1: on prosperity, you know or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well this year you got a waxing moon on a Friday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's right before the full moon. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's a super moon.
Speaker 4: Is there is there is there a way like astrologically
Speaker 4: for us to look at it and go, actually, this year,
Speaker 4: Halloween would technically be on this day just according to
Speaker 4: the alignments and everything else. I just thought of this
Speaker 4: earlier today, you know, just because the way that the
Speaker 4: the Goring calendar is or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know, I pay a little less attention to that.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the holiday seasons that are
Speaker 1: like offset, you know, you have like the solstice and
Speaker 1: the equinoxes, but the ones that kind of fill in, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, I care a little less about that,
Speaker 1: but it is supposed to be like when you know, so,
Speaker 1: let's say with the spring equinox, you know, the sun
Speaker 1: begins to uh make its way up along the horizon.
Speaker 1: So once it so basically so once it's like at
Speaker 1: the halfway point between uh the equator and the tropic
Speaker 1: of cancer is uh, you know, that's basically walt furs not.
Speaker 1: And then you know, for like fall, it's a Halloween,
Speaker 1: and then you got I'm assuming, uh Valentine's Day is
Speaker 1: probably supposed to be that holiday. But I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think those ones matter quite as much. I think
Speaker 1: the important ones are basically just the solstice and the equinox,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Right well, I mean, look, I'm trying to get a
Speaker 2: little trying to get a little crazy for Halloween because uh,
Speaker 2: I'm not going or treating this year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so uh, I'll I'll say this really quick.
Speaker 1: The more you start doing rituals on like the solstice
Speaker 1: and an equinox and you know, we'll purchase.
Speaker 5: Not and uh Halloween and all that.
Speaker 1: Once you start doing that, you'll you'll you'll be able
Speaker 1: to feel when the equinox is even if you're not
Speaker 1: not paying attention to the date. You'll be able to
Speaker 1: start feeling it, you know. And same same with like, uh,
Speaker 1: when you're facing certain directions to do certain spells, you know,
Speaker 1: like North and everything, you'll you'll you'll naturally just kind
Speaker 1: of be able to know where North is after a
Speaker 1: while and just kind of just kind of feel it,
Speaker 1: you know. So it really tunes into nature and creation
Speaker 1: the more you do.
Speaker 4: It, for sure, I can't tell you how many times,
Speaker 4: you know, whether we're changing directions in the show or
Speaker 4: just making certain decisions, whether it was the you know,
Speaker 4: changing of the name, or I mean, there's been a
Speaker 4: few things, you know, on our journey that I feel
Speaker 4: like we just accidentally like lined up with nature, or
Speaker 4: the moon was a new moon and then we decided
Speaker 4: to do something else, and that I feel like we've
Speaker 4: just gotten lucky. But maybe not, you know, maybe it
Speaker 4: was just like divine time in them in that way.
Speaker 1: You know. What one thing I think is kind of
Speaker 1: weird is, uh, you take the stock market, right, it
Speaker 1: always spikes on a new moon and dips on a
Speaker 1: full moon, right, but you know, but we but most
Speaker 1: people do prosperity stuff on a waxing and full moon,
Speaker 1: and like vanishing and negativity and you know, curse and
Speaker 1: stuff on a waning and a new moon, so you
Speaker 1: would you would also expect it to be the opposite.
Speaker 5: But what is Yeah, it's kind of interesting, but yeah,
Speaker 5: the stockbuck.
Speaker 1: And it's consistent when you look at it, it's pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: You see it just kind of full moon, new moon,
Speaker 1: spikes and dips, white clockwork.
Speaker 4: That's why billionaires use astrologists.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, it's a it's a full on real thing,
Speaker 2: and it's I just find it so funny that people
Speaker 2: just completely disregard it. They think it's silly. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: it's something in the sky even every night.
Speaker 1: Even even a lot of magicians, like because of chaos
Speaker 1: magic and that kind of framework, a lot of I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say a lot of magicians, but you know, there's
Speaker 1: magicians out there that believe that astrology is all just
Speaker 1: a thought form.
Speaker 5: It's just a thought form, you know.
Speaker 1: When it's totally not you know, like the planets have
Speaker 1: a direct effect on Earth whether you believe in it
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 5: You know, it's and it's it's profound, you.
Speaker 4: Know, right, Yeah, And it's as profound as it is.
Speaker 4: I think, I I in the beginning would have thought
Speaker 4: the same thing, like how much difference could it make?
Speaker 4: Surely there's a physical interaction happening, even if it's just
Speaker 4: gravity alone. You know, there's definitely a physical aspect to it.
Speaker 4: But it's like how much could it really affect anything?
Speaker 4: You know? And then you start to look into these
Speaker 4: certain things and you're like, oh, like there's a lot
Speaker 4: more to this for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I mean, especially if you do, if you
Speaker 2: ever get your chart done, like an actual real chart
Speaker 2: down to your specific a minute that you were born
Speaker 2: in the in the place you were born, it is
Speaker 2: so spot on it's scary, like and and and to
Speaker 2: be honest, it's kind of both ways, like with with
Speaker 2: try topical and uh, what's the other one that we
Speaker 2: talked to sideil dude, I mean they're both and some
Speaker 2: people will say, well, you know, your tropical is your
Speaker 2: outer world, in sidereal is in a world. I don't know,
Speaker 2: what do you what are your thoughts on the difference
Speaker 2: between tropical and sidereal astrology?
Speaker 1: It seems like, uh, the mass events that are planned,
Speaker 1: it seems like they're going by uh uh by zetetic
Speaker 1: or whatever, not so tetic. What's it called Sidereal, not
Speaker 1: yeah Cidarial. Uh. It definitely seems like the mass events
Speaker 1: are planted that calendar more than Tropical, you know. But uh,
Speaker 1: but I think Tropical is pretty relevant. I I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's really much of a separation. I
Speaker 1: think you probably pay attention to both, you know. But
Speaker 1: but Tropical is insanely accurate.
Speaker 5: You know, it's accurate.
Speaker 2: If you think about it. I mean, even even though
Speaker 2: like I'm more of a fan of Sidereal, I think
Speaker 2: it makes the most sense. It's looking at the sky
Speaker 2: as it is now, whereas Tropical. You know, it's based
Speaker 2: on a calendar that was two thousand plus years ago, right.
Speaker 2: But the way I kind of look at it is
Speaker 2: is that it's almost like its own built in aggregre
Speaker 2: of understanding whatever those you know, like whatever those constellations
Speaker 2: were in the sky, that's that's almost built in agregorical you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean? Like, is that regardless of where
Speaker 4: everything is in real time as of right now? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, almost like like any egregor out there. And
Speaker 2: I'm not even trying to say that the sky is
Speaker 2: in agregor. I'm saying that, like maybe the thought process
Speaker 2: of how to interpret the stars from two thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: because you think about like all of that energy and
Speaker 2: all those people that did any kind of astrology or astrology,
Speaker 2: magic or divining or anything like that. Most of them,
Speaker 2: at least in the West, we're using tropical so I
Speaker 2: feel like that magic is almost seeped in there a
Speaker 2: little bit. But that being said, I one hundred percent
Speaker 2: believe that side. It has to be the true one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, like the the planets and we're not planets,
Speaker 1: but the constellations are all in the same spot they were,
Speaker 1: you know, thousands of years ago.
Speaker 5: They're all in the same spot. It hasn't moved at all.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, there's the procession of the equinox, which is why
Speaker 2: people you.
Speaker 1: Know, I don't think it's ever been documented or calculated,
Speaker 1: and it should have been by now.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I think it's more of like
Speaker 1: a metaphor or something, or maybe an energetic shift. But
Speaker 1: I don't think the actual stars are recessing at all.
Speaker 2: I believe they say, maybe long term, that there's they
Speaker 2: say that there's some kind of procession one degree for
Speaker 2: every seventy two years if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2: So but even still, I mean, it's it's moving one
Speaker 2: degree in your lifetime, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is the spring equinox still happens right
Speaker 1: when the sun reaches the beginning of Ares.
Speaker 5: You know, it's always it's it's always been there, you know.
Speaker 1: So for for us to be on the verge of
Speaker 1: the age of Aquarius, the sun would have to be
Speaker 1: on the equinox would have to be the beginning of Pisces.
Speaker 5: And it's not right.
Speaker 4: So I'm still then, yeah, and you know, you know
Speaker 4: that's that's basically like the lamb of God.
Speaker 1: When you see like Jesus with the lamb that's talking
Speaker 1: about the spring equinox, it's talking about the sign of Aris.
Speaker 1: So so I mean, uh so if it was in
Speaker 1: Aries back then and it's in Aries now and it
Speaker 1: hasn't moved, not even a single degree, it's just one
Speaker 1: of those settings. And uh and and they say the
Speaker 1: same thing with the polaris. The polaris was supposed to
Speaker 1: move and it hasn't moved.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The o what was it called the uh Georgia guidestones,
Speaker 1: there was a hole through that pointed to the North
Speaker 1: Star and uh and it just points right to the
Speaker 1: north so you can see the North Star through it.
Speaker 1: And did you actually see the star trails when you videotape,
Speaker 1: you know, but before they blew it up. But the
Speaker 1: amount of time that uh, that that setup had been there,
Speaker 1: the mood the Polaris was supposed to shift just enough
Speaker 1: to get it out of that hole, and it was
Speaker 1: still in that hole.
Speaker 5: You know, these these stars are fixed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was because it wasn't up there the the.
Speaker 1: It was. It was some random guy. He went by R. C.
Speaker 5: Christian. He was completely anonymous, and he dropped a bunch
Speaker 5: of money on it.
Speaker 2: Real Yeah, totally totally random and strange. But I don't
Speaker 2: think that those were those guidestones were not up for
Speaker 2: very long to even go a whole degree. If it
Speaker 2: is true that it is a degree for every years.
Speaker 1: But by the size of the hole, it should have
Speaker 1: been like two or three millimeters out of it.
Speaker 4: Well, how would that have taken for that shift to
Speaker 4: even happen? And how long were those stones even up?
Speaker 1: They were up for like thirty five forty years maybe
Speaker 1: longer they might have been up for like.
Speaker 4: Like see, I wouldn't even think that would even be
Speaker 4: long enough.
Speaker 1: You know, well, one degree is pretty large if that's
Speaker 1: seventy two. So if a half a degree and the
Speaker 1: time they've been there, you know, that's that's enough to
Speaker 1: move it out of the way. And the thing that's
Speaker 1: really telling as soon as people figured this out, because
Speaker 1: because no one filmed the star trail around it and
Speaker 1: noticed that it was set to polaris set to do north,
Speaker 1: no one noticed that until like.
Speaker 5: Like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: You know, it was it was like literally just like
Speaker 1: like a year or maybe even like six months before
Speaker 1: they blew it up.
Speaker 5: Did someone noticed that?
Speaker 4: Right? And who? And who took it down? Do you
Speaker 4: even know?
Speaker 1: It was never it was never investigated, It was never
Speaker 1: sawd it that just blew it up. And then in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night the guys came in started
Speaker 1: pulling everything down and just pulled it out.
Speaker 4: Really and those of the stones that said something about
Speaker 4: like this is how many people we should have five hours?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's five hundred million or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you know what else is interesting? I didn't
Speaker 2: know this, but it was erected. The Georgia guidestones were
Speaker 2: erected in nineteen eighty, but the date is March twenty second.
Speaker 2: Then it went up there, so three to two two
Speaker 2: almost some Skull and Bone Secret Society show. That's strange.
Speaker 2: And then it was and then it was taken down
Speaker 2: July sixth of twenty twenty two. So there's see even
Speaker 2: the twenty two's are everywhere on this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's strange. I mean, who knows, dude. I
Speaker 4: mean maybe there's something a little more malicious going on there,
Speaker 4: or maybe, you know, space is just way bigger than
Speaker 4: we comprehend. You know, the parks read it even happened.
Speaker 1: The parks in wreck were getting really sick of dealing
Speaker 1: with it because people would just go there and like
Speaker 1: poop on it and peel on it and spray paint
Speaker 1: it like people. You know, people were were kind of
Speaker 1: better about the message of it, you know, because they
Speaker 1: took it as like a calling of the earth, which
Speaker 1: is you know, probably what part of it was. You know,
Speaker 1: let's get real.
Speaker 2: You wanted to get rid of the use of the
Speaker 2: eaters and whatnot, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: And uh so the parks and rep We're getting really
Speaker 1: sick of dealing with it.
Speaker 4: You know, they haven't left it for that long. They're like,
Speaker 4: where did this thing come from? I don't know, but
Speaker 4: we got to clean it now, you know, we gotta
Speaker 4: keep it nice. That's just the whole thing is kind
Speaker 4: of weird to.
Speaker 2: Me, Benjamin said. An old friend of mine advised me
Speaker 2: not to go with anything or anyone if I'm invited
Speaker 2: while out of body. WHOA have you ever seen anyone
Speaker 2: or anything out of body, like anything outside of yourself
Speaker 2: and your natural surrounding me?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Uh one of the more profound times, because this is
Speaker 1: before I really started taking it serious. I was down
Speaker 1: in California and my buddy was getting married. I was
Speaker 1: staying at his cousin's house, and this is in uh
Speaker 1: not too far from what's it called Laurel Canyon, right,
Speaker 1: and uh so I'm sleeping on the floor. There's this
Speaker 1: guy sleeping on the bed, the mattress on the floor.
Speaker 1: Stir heads are kind of close, you know, like like
Speaker 1: level to each other. But so I'm going out of
Speaker 1: body and this it almost looked like a nineteen twenties,
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, forties, maybe even fifties maybe maybe not quite fifties,
Speaker 1: maybe like thirties or forties. This guy in like a
Speaker 1: black trench cover, right, is what it looked like. And
Speaker 1: he was an outside entity. He was external and this
Speaker 1: is different than a lot of random entities you come
Speaker 1: in contact with. This This guy had like an object.
Speaker 5: An objective mission.
Speaker 1: He was like almost like I don't know what he
Speaker 1: was trying to do, but anyway, he came at me
Speaker 1: and we kind of got into it.
Speaker 5: And that was that. But so I don't really time
Speaker 5: to got into it.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? And that was that?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: Like what did you get into this glazed over that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we kind of got into it. I was
Speaker 1: like throwing cars and buildings out of him, And.
Speaker 2: Why would you do that? Did he give off like
Speaker 2: a bad vibe or what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was trying to invade. He was trying
Speaker 1: to do something. He had like an objective mission.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: He it was really bizarre. I've never seen an entity
Speaker 1: like that have I mean, it almost seemed like like
Speaker 1: like a government mission, you know, like it seemed like
Speaker 1: he had like like like there was a hierarchy above
Speaker 1: him and he had a mission.
Speaker 5: That was the weirdest thing about it.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure they got him, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And and.
Speaker 1: For anyone who's out there wants to know how to
Speaker 1: like pick up like large objects in your dreams and
Speaker 1: like buildings.
Speaker 5: And stuff, is it's basically the same muscle as flying.
Speaker 5: You're just externalizing it.
Speaker 1: And at first you're probably only gonna be able to
Speaker 1: throw stuff, but once you get good out of it,
Speaker 1: you'll be able to pick.
Speaker 5: Up like entire buildings and set him back down.
Speaker 1: And then once you get really good at it, you
Speaker 1: can like take apart a town and instead it up
Speaker 1: into a pyramid and just sit up top there and
Speaker 1: just meditate. You know, you can the crazy shit once
Speaker 1: you get good at it. But it's basically just the
Speaker 1: same muscle as flying. You're just externalizing it.
Speaker 2: Interesting, we're learning techniques for the dream.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So getting back to the story, man, So
Speaker 1: I didn't think much of it.
Speaker 5: I was like, I was, we already know, I'm like
Speaker 5: trying to internalize.
Speaker 1: It, and uh, the kuse sleeping next to a young
Speaker 1: kid man he's like nineteen, but he was having some
Speaker 1: mental health issues and he wasn't crazy. He sounded mind
Speaker 1: so I think he was possessed. And looking back on
Speaker 1: I think the the apartment had some stuff going on,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of occultists down in LA, especially
Speaker 1: like you know, twenties thirties, forty six is you know,
Speaker 1: they were kind of the New York in LA were
Speaker 1: like super big hubs for the occult, you know, especially
Speaker 1: parts of New York. But later on, the dude that
Speaker 1: was living there, he got like high on meth. This
Speaker 1: is like years later. He got high on meth and like, uh,
Speaker 1: try to kill some people and had a standoff with
Speaker 1: the cops and barricaded himself in. So there was some
Speaker 1: there's some stuff going on in that apartment for sure.
Speaker 4: You know, man, I thought he was possessed. I don't
Speaker 4: know what I feel about.
Speaker 2: That, well, you know, and I will say only because
Speaker 2: I've I've had people close to me that got hooked
Speaker 2: on that ship and on meth, and it is you're
Speaker 2: talking to somebody else, bro, like that's that person. The
Speaker 2: original person is like barely in the corner of whatever
Speaker 2: is at the forefront now. And and maybe it's I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to say it's a demon. I
Speaker 2: think that it's probably some kind of alter alter.
Speaker 4: Mind itself, the chemical itself is what's possessing that person.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, but it definitely leaves you open for negative entities,
Speaker 1: especially the people you're around while you're on it, and
Speaker 1: then the sleep that the hallucinations, and it does also
Speaker 1: kind of fragment you a little bit. So I think
Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think that the drugs have
Speaker 1: the effect that drugs have, but I definitely think a
Speaker 1: lot of tweakers are are definitely possessed, you know, the
Speaker 1: same with junkies, you know, always sticking themselves with needles
Speaker 1: and sick and you know, torturing themselves with depression and
Speaker 1: stuff and.
Speaker 4: So leaving themselves open, so they're more.
Speaker 1: Same with alcohol, same with alcohol. Man, there's some people
Speaker 1: and uh where you can see their face change just
Speaker 1: after like a couple of drinks, you know, where like
Speaker 1: other people are totally normal, Most people just drink and
Speaker 1: they're normal. But but there's there's some people you can
Speaker 1: see their face just completely morph into something else.
Speaker 2: I think what's really no, I was just going to say,
Speaker 2: I think what's really going on is is that people
Speaker 2: don't truly know themselves, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: there are there's levels to people in their personalities. And
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't know yourself, it's probably real
Speaker 2: easy to become whatever you know is coming into your mind.
Speaker 2: Like so if you're if you're taken in math, you're
Speaker 2: taking in alcohol, whatever it is. I mean, it's almost
Speaker 2: as if those drugs and alcohol or whatever are now
Speaker 2: changing you in to a version of you that you
Speaker 2: think that is you. And you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I think that it's multi leveled at that point, and
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I mean, fuck, for all I know,
Speaker 2: it could be demons. Who knows. Maybe maybe you are
Speaker 2: opening yourself up, but I don't know. I like to
Speaker 2: try and be careful with that kind of stuff because
Speaker 2: people say the same shit with like a Ouiji board
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I know. I think you make a really
Speaker 4: good point, you know, as Byron was talking about, you know,
Speaker 4: when when somebody was drinking and their face changed and
Speaker 4: everything else, it's like, so if they hadn't drink at
Speaker 4: all for the next few years, it would have been
Speaker 4: no possession, you know, And so it's almost like whatever
Speaker 4: that face change, whatever that energy was, was already there
Speaker 4: and has been there, and we all have that you know.
Speaker 1: Or maybe they're are already possessed, you know because like
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, like I grew up
Speaker 1: in a house that was a funeral home.
Speaker 5: You know, no one told me that. You know, no
Speaker 5: one told me that.
Speaker 1: You know when you saw like a spirit, you know,
Speaker 1: walking down the hallway, that that was an actual spirit.
Speaker 5: You know, they don't got to tell a child that.
Speaker 1: But you know, so I had like entities attached to me,
Speaker 1: and you know, I lit in that apartment where that
Speaker 1: chick hung herself.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: I And then you know, you also a lot of
Speaker 1: people that find themselves in the drugs, like they don't
Speaker 1: have a healthy relationship with their father or their mother,
Speaker 1: come from a broken home. Uh, there's some type of
Speaker 1: childhood trauma going on, sexual abuse that's gonna leave you open,
Speaker 1: you know for a negative attent entity on top of
Speaker 1: the trauma that you're carrying with you. Then when you
Speaker 1: open yourself up like that and your conscious mind shuts
Speaker 1: down and your subconscious mind starts taking over a lot
Speaker 1: of those it's like a hornets nest, you know, with
Speaker 1: all those issues coming out. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff going on.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, denominator. I think does come from you know,
Speaker 4: not knowing yourself. Imagine being a super aware person. You're
Speaker 4: really into your spiritual practice or whatever it is. Maybe
Speaker 4: you're just super happy doing your hobbies and you know,
Speaker 4: trying to be the best person you can. I feel
Speaker 4: like those people are probably way less likely to be possessed.
Speaker 4: When do you think, dude?
Speaker 2: I feel like and this is just a tiny, tiny,
Speaker 2: tiny example, nowhere near close to like meth or anything
Speaker 2: like that. But the reason why I had to stop
Speaker 2: drinking energy drinks was because I started to notice a
Speaker 2: change even within myself, and I was like, wait a second,
Speaker 2: that's not me. That's not who I want to be.
Speaker 2: Because I would, you know, my patience was wearing thin,
Speaker 2: and I would get aggravated and frustrated and everything was
Speaker 2: pissing me off, even the slightest little thing, and I
Speaker 2: was like, that's not who I want to be, Like,
Speaker 2: I want to have more patience, I want to have
Speaker 2: more understanding. And so the idea of who I believe
Speaker 2: is me is the one that has more patients and
Speaker 2: more understanding and more love and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I think that it kind of
Speaker 2: just can't go everywhere. But if you don't know who
Speaker 2: you are, then like where's where's the balance? You know,
Speaker 2: And and I feel like people don't have that bar,
Speaker 2: Like not everybody, I mean, some people don't have that
Speaker 2: bar to where they're almost unfamiliar with who or what
Speaker 2: they are. And and it's not by it's not even
Speaker 2: necessarily their fault. You know, we're not taught this shit
Speaker 2: in school. And as a matter of fact, I mean,
Speaker 2: most people in this country bide by a religion that
Speaker 2: doesn't tell you where you're from, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And all that, but they that that religion tells you
Speaker 4: that you are less than or you know, you're not powerful. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So if you have all of this and then you
Speaker 4: have also the Boogeyman of that of that board game,
Speaker 4: if you will, is it a demon or the devil,
Speaker 4: then you it's already kind of you're a born sinner, dude.
Speaker 1: It sucks, man like those kind of like Christian narcissists,
Speaker 1: the type of Christians that people just find annoying, like
Speaker 1: it's such a problem in the truth community and the
Speaker 1: way they alienate people and attack people because like most
Speaker 1: of them a super true truthers that are like trying
Speaker 1: to like do hit pieces and other truthers and trying
Speaker 1: to bring them down and call everyone's shills and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. It's almost always the Christian narcissists that are
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, and then it makes so many
Speaker 1: people not want to look into it, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like like geocentrism.
Speaker 5: Geocentrism is one of those.
Speaker 1: Things a lot of people just won't even allow themselves
Speaker 1: to see it because of the Christians, you know, and
Speaker 1: the way they act, the way they treat people, because
Speaker 1: it's not there's nothing wrong with being Christian, and they're
Speaker 1: not all like that, you know, Like there's a lot of.
Speaker 5: Christian truthers that are like super chill and awesome guys, you.
Speaker 1: Know, but but then there's this, you know, that supertruther
Speaker 1: kind of Christian narcissism mindset where they it just ruins it.
Speaker 2: Dude's and everything and everything's the demons and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, and every every everything's demonic. You're a center
Speaker 2: and all of this. It's more na.
Speaker 5: Yoga is satanic. They think fucking yoga satanic.
Speaker 1: They think everything is satanic, you know, and they follow
Speaker 1: this book they don't even know what the book is
Speaker 1: telling them because they look at it at such a
Speaker 1: superficial level, you know. So there, I mean, how many
Speaker 1: Christians are even creationists? Most of them probably don't even
Speaker 1: believe in creationism.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, would know, wouldn't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh, getting back to the chat over here, though, Ashton said.
Speaker 2: This is in referring to tropical astrology and sidereal. Ashton said,
Speaker 2: Jonathan y'all might both be correct. That's what they call
Speaker 2: the great year. Seventy two years times three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty degrees, he equals twenty five, nine and twenty years.
Speaker 2: So the stars don't change, but that's the length of
Speaker 2: time that it takes for them to return back to
Speaker 2: their original positions.
Speaker 4: Might be it?
Speaker 2: I mean you think about it, I mean twenty in
Speaker 2: the span of damn near twenty six thousand years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a long time, dude. The the yudas. Why can
Speaker 2: I never remember that word?
Speaker 4: Yuga yuga?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cali yuga and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: That's what we were trying to bring up the other night.
Speaker 4: I knew it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't think of that word, but yeah, that's
Speaker 2: I believe that twenty five twenty years is a yoga.
Speaker 2: It's part of the Yuga cycle. Yeah, Benjamin said, my
Speaker 2: friend was a heavy occultist. He took the invitation while
Speaker 2: out of body, wouldn't talk about it. After that did
Speaker 2: meth in Waking Life. He ended up stabbing and killing
Speaker 2: my other friend a few years ago. Yeah, dude, what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Yeah, that's a yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah totally. Uh one of my buddies. Man, this this
Speaker 1: kid I worked with like ten years ago and we
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, knew each other throughout the rest
Speaker 1: of the ten years. I just found out, Uh, he
Speaker 1: got high on meth, was was on it for like
Speaker 1: five days, and took an axe.
Speaker 5: To his friend's skull.
Speaker 4: My god.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And what's funny is like this guy is kind of
Speaker 1: like a sensitive pussy. So like I'm like completely shocked
Speaker 1: that he has that kind of street credit.
Speaker 4: Now probably that probably wouldn't even have happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to like undermine how unfortunate the situation is.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, wow, dude, like he's got some
Speaker 1: serious street credit now.
Speaker 4: He just I guess.
Speaker 2: Well, And speaking of that, Benjamin said, meth is a crystal.
Speaker 2: We know crystals have power.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's a good man, that's funny.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dirty stuff, man, And this new stuff going around
Speaker 1: seems like it's making people crazier. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's like different chemicals or if it's fatanyl in it,
Speaker 1: but it's making people extra crazy.
Speaker 5: This new stuff going around looks.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's out in the open, man. People just
Speaker 4: don't even care anymore.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I remember being like, you know, just getting out of
Speaker 4: high school or in high school, like trying to hide
Speaker 4: my little nickel bag, you know, and it's like if
Speaker 4: a cop passes by, but these people are out there
Speaker 4: at the bus stop just leaning over like it ain't
Speaker 4: no thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Her, it's really bad in Phoenix too, where you're at home.
Speaker 4: My goodness, it's the it's like the walking dead. And
Speaker 4: I want to be sensitive about it, you know, because
Speaker 4: these are human beings. But it's like, man, it's it's crazy, man,
Speaker 4: it really is. It really is.
Speaker 2: You feel bad, you know, like that's a human being.
Speaker 4: That person has a whole life, you know, like they
Speaker 4: have memories, they have they used to have dreams, they
Speaker 4: went to school, that there's there's things that they experienced
Speaker 4: just like we did, you know, and so they're not
Speaker 4: any less, It's just they're just consumed by this chemical.
Speaker 1: Man, everyone starts off as that bright eyed little kid,
Speaker 1: you know, man waiting to be friends with the world.
Speaker 5: You know, everyone starts off like that.
Speaker 2: Well for the Halloween episode, I didn't know if I
Speaker 2: didn't think we would be getting into mes zombies, but
Speaker 2: they at.
Speaker 4: Least you've got zombies though, you know a little bit Halloween,
Speaker 4: you know what.
Speaker 2: Byron, I did want to ask you what what your
Speaker 2: thoughts are, if you have any on this whole three
Speaker 2: I at list situation. It seems to be flooding everything
Speaker 2: on social media. Everybody has an opinion about what's going on.
Speaker 2: Some people are saying it's intelligent. Some people are saying no,
Speaker 2: it's just a fucking rock out there. Some people are
Speaker 2: allegedly like meditating and remote viewing what is going on there.
Speaker 2: Some people have said that they've talked to the aliens
Speaker 2: that are on it, and I'm like, maybe by Rendo.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't trust anything
Speaker 1: put up by NASA, you know, like, I absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I don't trust anything those guys say or do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all fake everything they say it's fake. So I
Speaker 1: don't know as any amateur astronomers seeing it. You know,
Speaker 1: there something actually up there.
Speaker 2: It's out by the sun, so it is way out there.
Speaker 1: And okay, so you can't even see it if it's
Speaker 1: if it's out by the sun.
Speaker 2: Then well, and they say that it's it's the size
Speaker 2: of Manhattan and it's close to the sun, and the idea,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess it has some kind of
Speaker 2: tail on it, or maybe it doesn't have a tail.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: A bunch of very like contradicting kind of information going
Speaker 2: on about it. That's why I figured, I ask you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. NASA always puts out all these fake
Speaker 1: stories all the time, Like whenever it's like Halloween, they'll
Speaker 1: put out an asteroid that's shaped like a skull, or
Speaker 1: like remember that show the sun flares that make it
Speaker 1: look like a jack lantern, and you know, and they
Speaker 1: always do that kind of stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't, like I said, I don't believe anything NASA says.
Speaker 4: Ever, I don't think i've you know, because of my algorithm,
Speaker 4: I always see like the weirdest version of anything happening,
Speaker 4: and you know, in our time. And so every video
Speaker 4: I see of that thing, it just looks so fake,
Speaker 4: and like it looks like there's windows and there's like
Speaker 4: this ominous music and almost like space sound effects like.
Speaker 1: This, even the pictures of the planets they allegedly get.
Speaker 1: What they do is because because they can't just take
Speaker 1: a photograph of it, right, so they basically hit it
Speaker 1: with like a radar and basically whatever signal comes back,
Speaker 1: they fill it in kind of like a paint by numbers,
Speaker 1: you know. And so that's kind of like where a
Speaker 1: lot of our images come from. So they're sort of
Speaker 1: not even getting photo graphs of the plants.
Speaker 2: They're just kind of like it's compilations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're basically just made up. It's it's pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't trust anything they say, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the moon Landing and it
Speaker 1: looks like special effects from the nineteen sixties. It looks like,
Speaker 1: you know, like Twilight Zone or you know, like it
Speaker 1: looks so the moon Landing looks so bad now when
Speaker 1: you look at it as an adult, so bad.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's terrible.
Speaker 1: And and then after that it just got worse and
Speaker 1: worse the stuff they did in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 1: It looks even worse than the moon landing. And then
Speaker 1: you look at like all this fake stuff with the
Speaker 1: iss and everything. Yeah, I just won't trust anything. And
Speaker 1: then the amount of money they get for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, dude, it's crazy. How much is going
Speaker 2: in there? A hundred and uh.
Speaker 1: So I know someone who was an engineer and right
Speaker 1: out of college for NASA down and Houston, right, and
Speaker 1: uh another person pretty well and uh uh and she
Speaker 1: said that they didn't even do anything. She was an engineer.
Speaker 1: They're paying six figures plus like a rental car and
Speaker 1: some other.
Speaker 5: Like bonuses and stuff. Stupid money. And she said they
Speaker 5: didn't even do anything all day. They were just kind
Speaker 5: of doing like busy work.
Speaker 4: You know, why would they even go through the trouble
Speaker 4: of that though.
Speaker 2: That's the thing we get a lot.
Speaker 4: If they're pretending, why can't they just pretend that they're
Speaker 4: paying people and pretend put some cars out front and
Speaker 4: be like, yeah, look we got people working here.
Speaker 2: Initially it was to try and you know what was it?
Speaker 2: They were trying to throw the Russians off of it
Speaker 2: or the germans off of I think it was the Russians, right,
Speaker 2: It was like the Space Race, Yeah, and it was
Speaker 2: trying to show who was more technologically advanced, and so
Speaker 2: they were trying to show like, Yo, you're fucking with America.
Speaker 2: We just put a man on the moon, dude, and
Speaker 2: nobody paid attention to the guy that was holding the camera,
Speaker 2: you know, that landed there first. And if you look
Speaker 2: at it, like, it's so crazy because you'll see the
Speaker 2: space take off back to Earth and the guy holding
Speaker 2: the camera is still there and it'sous.
Speaker 1: And it's.
Speaker 5: Up and it looks so fake.
Speaker 1: It literally looks like a like a little kind of
Speaker 1: like a confetti explosion at the base and then it
Speaker 1: gets like lifted out by a crane. It looks so bad, dud, Dude,
Speaker 1: Like I said, it literally looks like nineteen sixty specially,
Speaker 1: I mean really good.
Speaker 5: Nineteen sixty special effects, you know. I mean they had
Speaker 5: an endless budget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Coubrick Kubrick, and he's noted for editing parts of it,
Speaker 1: like you know the part where uh, the lunar lander
Speaker 1: is coming back up and it's like twisting and connecting
Speaker 1: back to the spaceship and everything he edited that part,
Speaker 1: and that part looks super fake when you see that,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's so bad.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I still kind of want the moon landing to be real,
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like I don't. Yeah, it's like if if someone came
Speaker 4: to you, Johnathan, back when you were a kid and
Speaker 4: was like, wrestling's not real, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 4: that's that's what that is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, were the moonlight and I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: A lot more real, dude. I'm not even convinced that
Speaker 2: the moon is a physical place as much, dude, And it.
Speaker 1: Produces its own light.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You can take a laser thing, you know, we had
Speaker 1: one at my work and I checked everything, dude, Like
Speaker 1: the moonlight is always colder than the shade. Doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what type of material, type of stuff, the moonlight is
Speaker 1: always colder than the shade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's And then check this out.
Speaker 1: You can take a magnifying glass and increase how cold
Speaker 1: it is. You know, you know how you take like
Speaker 1: a magnifying glass in the sun burn ants when you're
Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, you can do the same thing and
Speaker 1: make it even colder. Tick that light, make it even colder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard a lot of people do that experiment,
Speaker 2: and it's for sure real. Yeah, it's it's something strange, dude.
Speaker 2: And especially if you look back at a lot of
Speaker 2: the ancient text, not even just the Bible, they'll talk
Speaker 2: about like how you know that the God put up
Speaker 2: two lights in the sky. It was like two lights, right, Like,
Speaker 2: so you wouldn't say that the moon is a light
Speaker 2: because most people, you know, whenever you think of the moon,
Speaker 2: it's getting its light from the sun, right, So you
Speaker 2: wouldn't then say that God put up two lights. You
Speaker 2: would say God put up a light and then there
Speaker 2: was this other fucking rock floating out there that it
Speaker 2: just so happened to be getting, you know, light from
Speaker 2: the sun.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I do kind of I do
Speaker 1: kind of think the sun probably might play a role
Speaker 1: in charging.
Speaker 4: It, you know and charging it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe totally. I could see that.
Speaker 4: As far as the Bible goals, I feel like it.
Speaker 4: You know, it was a lot of the gods of
Speaker 4: the gaps type of thing. They didn't understand why the
Speaker 4: moon was emitting light, you know, they didn't understand that
Speaker 4: the sun was But that's just me, you know, what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, they all had the exact same explanation for it,
Speaker 1: and it was the Catholics that came in and said, no,
Speaker 1: that's not what it is.
Speaker 5: It's just now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and that's that's where it trips me up,
Speaker 2: is where you know, the Bible is supposed to be
Speaker 2: divinely inspired, and that's where, like I get caught up.
Speaker 2: It gets science wrong, the idea that it's divinely inspired,
Speaker 2: yet it's very provably wrong on multiple instances. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, that's metaphorical, Jonathan, Yeah, I'm just taking
Speaker 2: it the wrong And no, then you'll you'll get the
Speaker 2: answer of well, that's just how those people interpreted it.
Speaker 2: So you're trying to tell me that they misinterpreted God?
Speaker 2: Is that because I thought it was divinely inspired? You know,
Speaker 2: like and there's there's always so much like backtracking on
Speaker 2: the whole thing, and and.
Speaker 4: I get it, not everybody's a scholar, And this is
Speaker 4: what I'm thinking as far as like and you know,
Speaker 4: like I maybe it's just me, Like I hope we
Speaker 4: went I wish that was real, that we did go
Speaker 4: to the moon, you know, because I feel like that's
Speaker 4: that would be cool if humans figured out how to
Speaker 4: do that. And I feel like the conspiracy theory on
Speaker 4: us not being able to get to the moon. Call
Speaker 4: me crazy, you know, but it's like, if there's a
Speaker 4: firmament and God created us to be here and we
Speaker 4: can't get out of that, then of course we didn't
Speaker 4: go to the moon. How could we have gone to
Speaker 4: the moon, you know what I'm saying. I think that
Speaker 4: that's where that conspiracy came from. To be honest, I think,
Speaker 4: you know, that's just me though.
Speaker 1: The moonland and people started calling that out way before
Speaker 1: planar Gio CenTra as it made a comeback like way
Speaker 1: before people were calling that out day one, but there
Speaker 1: was no outlet for them, and so they started kind
Speaker 1: of going to like UFO conventions to try to get
Speaker 1: the word out and not getting a lot of traction
Speaker 1: before the internet, you know. But to get back to,
Speaker 1: you know, metaphors for the sun and the moon. Let's
Speaker 1: go with the Apollo and the Artemis myth right, because
Speaker 1: they named the Apollo mission Apollo right. Apollo and Artemists
Speaker 1: were brother and sisters, but they were also married. Apollo
Speaker 1: chased her across the night sky for all eternity, but
Speaker 1: he was never able to consummate his marriage. Apollo never
Speaker 1: reached the moon, dude.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what. You know, what I think
Speaker 2: it is. It's that there are so many myths in
Speaker 2: religion that want to be that want to have an
Speaker 2: answer as to what happened in the beginning to make
Speaker 2: their you know, argument more valid. I think that's really
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 4: Is.
Speaker 2: You know, like it's so easy to just say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: God made two lights and he put all the animals
Speaker 2: on the earth and all these and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, because if you hear from ancient cultures, supposedly
Speaker 2: this is I can't remember which there's like two or
Speaker 2: three ancient cultures that talk about a time before the
Speaker 2: moon was here, Like they say that the moon only
Speaker 2: came into orbit so many thousands of years ago, and
Speaker 2: that people were here before the moon came into orbit.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what the fuck to believe about.
Speaker 4: All of it. And you get into the whole moon
Speaker 4: being artificial.
Speaker 1: I would go and actually like read what they actually said,
Speaker 1: you know, and and then base it off of that,
Speaker 1: you know, because something could easily be misinterpreting that. I mean,
Speaker 1: just look at what's his name, the guy with the Yanaki.
Speaker 4: Oh, Billy Carson.
Speaker 1: No, No, the original guy, the guy that fucking wrote
Speaker 1: the first books on it back then.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know you're talking about damn.
Speaker 1: But his his translations were so bad people thought they
Speaker 1: were obviously fake. And I have my doubts on the
Speaker 1: legitimacy of those texts anyway.
Speaker 2: Zacharai Stitching, Yeah, Zacharice.
Speaker 5: Stitchin, Yeah, I was right on the tip of my tongue, man.
Speaker 1: But I have my doubts about the Sumerian tablets, honestly,
Speaker 1: about their authenticity.
Speaker 5: I have my doubts about it because they.
Speaker 1: Weren't even found until the nineteen forties, nineteen fifties, and
Speaker 1: they weren't translated to like the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 5: And then you look at the alphabet. How do you
Speaker 5: even translate that? How could you translate that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I have my doubts about everything that's been
Speaker 4: written about how why we're here?
Speaker 2: Oh, and you think about all the different things that
Speaker 2: came out in like a fifteen year time span, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like there was those tablets, and
Speaker 2: then there was also the Dead Sea scrolls. Then there
Speaker 2: was the Nagamati texts and it was almost like all
Speaker 2: compounding on top of each other, which I don't know.
Speaker 2: I find it very strange. I mean, although I do
Speaker 2: kind of FINDI personally the Nagamadi.
Speaker 1: First of all, there's stuff in the Nagamati I want
Speaker 1: to believe in, you know, like it seems really cool
Speaker 1: to me, some of the stuff that's in there. But
Speaker 1: the way some kid was he like an Afghanistan or
Speaker 1: is a Pakistan?
Speaker 2: I thought it was like Egypt or something, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: No, No, I think it was Afghanistan. It might have
Speaker 1: been Pakistan though, because Pakistan still close to like Indian stuff.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, but I think it was Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: But some kid was just like out in the desert
Speaker 1: throwing rocks at a mountain and he heard a rock
Speaker 1: go up on this ledge and he heard something break.
Speaker 5: And he was like, oh, that sounds kind of neat,
Speaker 5: and he.
Speaker 1: Climbs all the way up there and he sees these
Speaker 1: little clay vessels filled with these scrolls.
Speaker 5: It just seems like such a made up story.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Like I wanted to be real,
Speaker 2: but it's just hard for me to believe some kid
Speaker 2: in the middle.
Speaker 1: Of nowhere, threw a rock, heard a clay vessel break,
Speaker 1: climbs up the mountain, checks it out, finds these things
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere where no one lives.
Speaker 2: And Nagamadi is upper Egypt, it says, Oh.
Speaker 1: It is upper Egypt. Maybe I'll think of the Dead
Speaker 1: Sea scrolls or it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: No dead Sea scrolls, that was I mean it was
Speaker 2: found dead sea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, but uh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I think there's good reason
Speaker 2: to question a lot of it, really, And that's where
Speaker 2: you know, your sixth sense has to come in, and
Speaker 2: that that intuitive knowing that whenever you read something, does
Speaker 2: it vibe with what with what you already know and
Speaker 2: what you already believe, and it doesn't make you question
Speaker 2: what you already know and what you believe and kind
Speaker 2: of use it as a filter. I don't take anything
Speaker 2: at face value, like I literally nothing.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, does it make you better or does it make
Speaker 4: you worse and live in fear? Like you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. I feel like that's a pretty good way
Speaker 4: to kind of judge.
Speaker 1: But the stuff in the nog and body that sounds
Speaker 1: really cool, Like the Gospel of Mary the Gospel of
Speaker 1: Mary Magdalen, and apparently Jesus talks about reincarnation with Mary Magdalene, the.
Speaker 5: Gospel of Judas. You know, like, yeah, these just.
Speaker 1: Naturally seem like stuff that's missing or that would be missing,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for that for that inner nosis, for sure.
Speaker 2: Benjam And said, the algorithm you're on has to make
Speaker 2: a difference. Someone I talked to today had no idea
Speaker 2: what three I at lists was, and the everyday people
Speaker 2: I'm around have never even mentioned it. So the narrative,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that's it is strange, you know, algorithms
Speaker 2: and people getting kind of lost in echo chambers almost,
Speaker 2: but the algorithm is building the echo chamber for you
Speaker 2: to almost like confirm your belief and your the narrative
Speaker 2: that you accept.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the algorithms that we have with the
Speaker 4: technology that we use is a very good analogy for
Speaker 4: just the universe itself and the reality that you create
Speaker 4: for yourself. So the things that you look into on
Speaker 4: your phone is the things that you see more of.
Speaker 4: And so in your you know, just your daily life,
Speaker 4: you're looking into certain things. Now you're going to see
Speaker 4: more of that, and so I think that's just how
Speaker 4: that works.
Speaker 1: And this realm kind of has its own algorithm where
Speaker 1: you start picking up on these synchronicities and yeah, clues
Speaker 1: and omens and you know, like you always find the
Speaker 1: right information right when you need it that takes you
Speaker 1: down another rabbit hole and.
Speaker 4: That kind of stuff, you know, or a teacher shows up,
Speaker 4: you know, based off of the the modalities that you're
Speaker 4: looking into, or I mean, it's just it's just nuts
Speaker 4: how it works out, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, We've met a lot of really great people
Speaker 2: over the past few months and really just over the
Speaker 2: course of the two plus years that we've been doing
Speaker 2: this show. You know, it's awesome. I mean, Byron, you're
Speaker 2: like an og to this show more than any of
Speaker 2: The last.
Speaker 1: Few interviews you guys did were pretty fire. You guys
Speaker 1: had a couple of bangers back to back. Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we try to keep it going, man that those
Speaker 4: are the best, man, anything that we can. My favorite
Speaker 4: thing is when somebody says something I haven't heard before.
Speaker 4: You know, that's that's where it's at.
Speaker 5: Man, Or you can just articulates it a little differently exactly.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and that's happened plenty of time.
Speaker 1: You know, that that TikTok video he played about that
Speaker 1: guy's five gram trip, Like, man, that's brutal, but you know,
Speaker 1: like to me, it's amazing. He was able to articulate
Speaker 1: his experience so well to where other people could understand
Speaker 1: what he's talking about.
Speaker 4: You know, I just can't imagine spending that much time
Speaker 4: quote unquote, you know, at least the experience of that
Speaker 4: much time. And what's the difference.
Speaker 2: Right, I've been inside of like crazy deep trips before
Speaker 2: and I can't remember most of it. So for him,
Speaker 2: I was anywhere for you know, centuries. Oh my god, damn,
Speaker 2: that's a pretty great memory.
Speaker 1: Like with DMT, you know, as soon as you come
Speaker 1: out of it and you start trying to talk about
Speaker 1: your experience with someone, it'll start you'll start forgetting it
Speaker 1: as soon as you start talking about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, dude, imagine living centuries.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Then you hear people saying like, oh, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: just tired of living, like life is just too much.
Speaker 4: Like I've lived to centuries. You like, you have that
Speaker 4: experience of living that long. You know, you're a fucking
Speaker 4: vampire at that point.
Speaker 1: One common theme with a lot of people that had
Speaker 1: like d MT breakthroughs or like ayahuasca and stuff, they
Speaker 1: don't fear death as much. So it kind of has
Speaker 1: that same effect that like a near death experience has.
Speaker 1: When people come out of a near death experience, they
Speaker 1: don't really fear dying as much, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people that change their whole lives
Speaker 1: and kind of quit their crappy job and start doing
Speaker 1: something they want to do, and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, at least in what the research we've gone over,
Speaker 4: it's always something positive they get out of it. I
Speaker 4: don't think we've had a story where something negative was
Speaker 4: like seemingly permanent after that type of experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing that near death experience and DMT experience
Speaker 1: both have in common. When you really kind of go
Speaker 1: through the data and everyone's experience and you kind of
Speaker 1: pour through it all, it's not just a subconscious thing.
Speaker 1: You know, there's something external these people are tapping into. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the data is like pretty clear about it. You know.
Speaker 5: These people come back knowing things they shouldn't know.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people coming back as like savants, you know, playing
Speaker 4: music that they never played music a day in their life,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden there. I mean David Ditchfield,
Speaker 4: he's like composing music and he never did anything musically
Speaker 4: inclined at all, you know, And so where does that
Speaker 4: come from? Your brain just takes on a whole nother I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, just the natural tapping into of the field
Speaker 2: that is always around us that we don't know.
Speaker 4: That it's there, the field.
Speaker 2: Dude, Yes, yeah, yeah, Byron, I want to ask you, dude.
Speaker 2: All right, So because we we've barely gone over anything
Speaker 2: Halloween in this episode, we got to try and make
Speaker 2: it somewhat Halloween. What are some what's like a decent,
Speaker 2: easily like kind of a easy to comprehend type of
Speaker 2: ritual that somebody might do on Halloween.
Speaker 1: Uh. The the easiest stuff, like I said, that I
Speaker 1: can think of for something to get results right away
Speaker 1: would be sigil magic, you know, but since it's spooky season,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know, we had EA on
Speaker 1: not that long ago.
Speaker 5: Uh so you know, because because.
Speaker 1: I usually try to plug for a newbie the chaos
Speaker 1: magic style of sigil creation, and one thing that he
Speaker 1: did a video about a long time ago, uh was
Speaker 1: just basically pick a spirit, you know, Uh, pick any
Speaker 1: spirit that resonates with you. I would I would find
Speaker 1: like a spirit that has like a like a like
Speaker 1: a very distinct sigil, you know, Uh, the Olympic spirits
Speaker 1: from the Arbital of Magic. Those signls are really easy
Speaker 1: to draw. Those spirits are pretty easy to work with.
Speaker 1: But you know, spooky season, I suggest summoning a demon.
Speaker 1: I think would be the most fun for hollow, you know,
Speaker 1: So for for a beginner, I'd probably reckon And some
Speaker 1: people might disagree with me on this one, but I recommend,
Speaker 1: uh king pymon from the Goatia, I would recommend starting
Speaker 1: with them. So just take a pic sigil of a
Speaker 1: king pymon and uh, just draw it out to the
Speaker 1: best you can. Some of these siguls aren't very easy
Speaker 1: to draw, so just draw it out the best you can,
Speaker 1: and then you know, get some candles, some incense, uh,
Speaker 1: bless everything to the best of your ability, you know,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: Depending on how much of a newbie you are.
Speaker 1: But just do your best to fill the remote some
Speaker 1: spiritual energy.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Take the sigil and just stare into it and and
Speaker 1: just kind of wait for it to start to kind
Speaker 1: of not recommend doing the sigil inside of a circle
Speaker 1: so you can really concentrate that energy and just kind
Speaker 1: of wait for the sigil to start moving around and
Speaker 1: you just kind of start hallucinating. You can almost start
Speaker 1: scrying into the sigul for a while, and then uh
Speaker 1: with the demonic spirit. With the spirits from the Goatia,
Speaker 1: they have these mantras. They call it ends like eat
Speaker 1: an end uh for them. So I would I would
Speaker 1: just start while you're staring at it, just there we go.
Speaker 1: King Pimon man he he he's my favorite out of
Speaker 1: the kings from the Goatia. Out of out of all
Speaker 1: the kings, King Pimon is my favorite. He's associated with
Speaker 1: like money sometimes and he's also associated with uh music,
Speaker 1: you know, so uh, he's very powerful. He works really fast.
Speaker 1: He has a little bit of a style to the
Speaker 1: way he works, where like Beliole is like a.
Speaker 5: Lot more direct.
Speaker 1: Uh. Pimeon kind of has like a little more flavor
Speaker 1: to the way he works. Yeah, that's why I kind
Speaker 1: of like him. And he kind of has like a
Speaker 1: Northwest energy. It's kind of an earth and water. He's
Speaker 1: listed as water, but he's kind of an earth water element.
Speaker 2: Abramelon the Mage I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So starings of the schedule, wait for it to
Speaker 1: start moving around, uh, popping around doing all this crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll start kind of looking at the electric you'll start
Speaker 1: morphing into different shapes.
Speaker 5: Uh, maybe scry into it.
Speaker 1: But while you're staying at the schigul, just start chanting
Speaker 1: the end the mantra for a king pymon and uh,
Speaker 1: I think it's leroc tassa jada and pimon, I think
Speaker 1: is what it is. And do that for a while
Speaker 1: and then start, you know, because you're probably not gonna
Speaker 1: if you're a beginning, you're probably gonna have a scring mirror,
Speaker 1: So just start into a pile of smoke just where
Speaker 1: your incense and candles is. Just start focusing a bunch
Speaker 1: of energy. Once you start feeling his name, just start
Speaker 1: vibrating his name. After you've done the end for a
Speaker 1: while and you start feeling the shift in the room,
Speaker 1: and just go like pu all you know, and into
Speaker 1: the cloud of smoke and you'll and then do your
Speaker 1: best to kind of put some energy in there to
Speaker 1: kind of create a body for him if you can. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then uh just start talking to him, ask him
Speaker 1: for one particular thing, like you know, uh that you
Speaker 1: want make sure you have something planned out that you
Speaker 1: want uh during this ritual.
Speaker 5: Maybe have some questions planned out too, but you know,
Speaker 5: make your claim.
Speaker 1: Uh maybe make an offering or maybe tell them you'll
Speaker 1: make an offering once it comes to fruition. But let's
Speaker 1: just say you're looking for a new job, right or something. Uh,
Speaker 1: focus on that, focus on that, put some emotion into it.
Speaker 1: Maybe start with like like a kind of an anxiety
Speaker 1: of like a lack of having this job, and then
Speaker 1: uh use that kind of anxiety to kind of trigger
Speaker 1: you nervous system to kind of affect the feel around you. Right,
Speaker 1: and then start as as you're getting into it, really
Speaker 1: focus on getting it, and then the gratitude and the
Speaker 1: feeling you have of already having it, but trying to
Speaker 1: transmute the beginning of it, uh, going from that.
Speaker 5: Moment of lack to the gratitude of already having it.
Speaker 1: And then uh so you know, make a petition to
Speaker 1: him and then fill your whole aura up with the
Speaker 1: white golden light and everything and all that energy and
Speaker 1: then just channel what you want into already happening, already done,
Speaker 1: into the circle of the sigil. Just channel all the
Speaker 1: energy right into that fold it up and then stick
Speaker 1: it someplace safe until it happens. But that's it. N
Speaker 1: But yeah, since it spooky season, that's a good way.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah he had a video on it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he still does. You know, you got
Speaker 1: his stuff delete it so, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: so up.
Speaker 2: But that's a good way.
Speaker 1: That that's a good way. Just just summon a spirit,
Speaker 1: just the spirit. Yeah, you know, I mean and and
Speaker 1: and the demons from the Croatia most of them, like
Speaker 1: are fairly safe and benevolent to work with for the
Speaker 1: most part. You know, just treat them with respect. Uh,
Speaker 1: don't try to blossom around. Just just you know, like
Speaker 1: like you would with your friend, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: just you know that kind of stuff. Don't come into
Speaker 1: it with like a like a prejudice from your religious
Speaker 1: upbringing or something if you can, you know, and or
Speaker 1: come from a place of like a like a power hungry,
Speaker 1: fragile ego either, you know, you just just just be straight.
Speaker 1: Just do the work, fold up the schedul put it away,
Speaker 1: put it in the book or something.
Speaker 5: Just wait for it to manifest.
Speaker 1: And then after a manifest you can say thank you,
Speaker 1: make an offering burn the sigil.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, they're just spirits anyway, you know, I
Speaker 2: just out of curiosity you think that they're like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to say disembodied spirits. I mean where do
Speaker 2: you think just you're opinion, where is King Pymonton for example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a loaded question because because you do
Speaker 1: have like the uh, the kind of like like the
Speaker 1: subconscious kind of archetypes, you know, where where these are
Speaker 1: like archetypes of the people have kind of created and
Speaker 1: that that that that's basically like us working with them
Speaker 1: that creates them. And uh, and there is a lot
Speaker 1: of truth to that. But I still think that there
Speaker 1: is a very external component the magic and spirits and
Speaker 1: that they exist.
Speaker 5: Outside of uh us too. Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, some spirits I think exist, you know, just
Speaker 1: for the purpose of keeping doing maintenance basically on consensual.
Speaker 5: Reality that they're the ones. They're the spirits that are
Speaker 5: just have this job. Not much different than like the way.
Speaker 1: Worms, you know, till the soil and you know, animals
Speaker 1: and everything and be spread the pollen. You know.
Speaker 4: Ila referred to them as the management company, you know,
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: But when we're talking about spirits like the goetia and
Speaker 1: the angels and stuff. I don't know, you know, like
Speaker 1: they're each one's associated with a different angle from the zodiac,
Speaker 1: and you know, you look at the effect that astrology
Speaker 1: has on us. So part of me thinks that I
Speaker 1: don't know if people just associated them with with the zodiac,
Speaker 1: or like if someone channeled them, discovered these entities or
Speaker 1: maybe even created them and then associated them with with
Speaker 1: that later, or if these are just like that energy anthropomorphized,
Speaker 1: you know, where people took the zodiac first and then
Speaker 1: anthropomorphized these energies with who. I mean, who knows. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like the chicken or the egg. It's such a
Speaker 1: you know, and the more I do magic, the more
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of stumped on, you know, like like
Speaker 1: what the true nature.
Speaker 5: Of some of these enemies are.
Speaker 2: You know, It's like and the old adage of you know,
Speaker 2: did did God create humans or did humans create God? Situation?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I mean that I think that's a
Speaker 1: that's a little different, you know.
Speaker 5: But but with the with the.
Speaker 1: Spirits, man, and because here's the thing, you know, it
Speaker 1: took like like I was just talking about the zodiac
Speaker 1: and the planets and their thing, and like all the
Speaker 1: myths and all the religions are based off of that.
Speaker 1: So all the characters in there are basically constellations and
Speaker 1: zodiac signs, and uh, the planets are the gods.
Speaker 5: Usually and.
Speaker 1: You know, so so even though like like Odin and
Speaker 1: Hermes and like Legba are kind of based off the
Speaker 1: same principle, they're completely different entities. So there is this
Speaker 1: kind of like when the energy you put into them
Speaker 1: kind of creates them a certain way. But but but
Speaker 1: they're still based on the same principles.
Speaker 5: But even but there's just but there's still completely different,
Speaker 5: completely different.
Speaker 1: You know, like like Raphael, you know, he's the angel
Speaker 1: for the planet Mercury, completely different than Hermes, completely different.
Speaker 1: You know, so the same with like Michael for the Sun,
Speaker 1: completely different than Apollo or a Sclippius or you know whoever.
Speaker 2: Raw Benjamin said, what type of offering would you advise?
Speaker 2: I imagine that's for pime On.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean even just candles and incense
Speaker 1: will be fine for someone who's like squeamish, you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. If you're doing anything outside or
Speaker 1: if you're going to burn your sigil outside I would
Speaker 1: pour a libation like maybe brew some tea or some
Speaker 1: moonshine or which I'm actually distilling fresh batch of moushine
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 5: I think it'll be ready.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's something else I recommend for people
Speaker 1: that are doing magic, dude, start making moonshine. Or people
Speaker 1: that drink alcohol. You know, I don't drink, drink a
Speaker 1: couple of times this year after like ten years, I'm.
Speaker 5: Not drinking eleven years. Actually I'm not drinking.
Speaker 1: Measured a couple of times this year finally, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I recommend everyone make moonshine first of all.
Speaker 5: You know, because it's super easy and super cheap, you know,
Speaker 5: and it's.
Speaker 2: Fun if you like alcohol for sure, well and especially.
Speaker 1: For so getting back to it, if you know, a
Speaker 1: drop of blood with like a diabetic lancet put on
Speaker 1: a piece of paper and then just burnt into the
Speaker 1: candle or whatever. I mean, that's something that will help.
Speaker 1: But you know, candles, incense, maybe a drop or two
Speaker 1: of blood. If you're not squeamish about blood and diabetic lances,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't hurt, they don't leave a scar.
Speaker 1: You know, all you need is a few drops or
Speaker 1: poor elevation, anything, anything, anything works okay, but there is
Speaker 1: a there is an.
Speaker 5: Added bonus to using blood. Blood does seem to like.
Speaker 1: And honestly like if you're going to do it beforehand,
Speaker 1: you know, so like say.
Speaker 5: You make the offering up front instead of after the fact.
Speaker 1: You can write what you want on a little tiny
Speaker 1: strip of paper and then put a drop of blood
Speaker 1: on it and then say it out loud and then
Speaker 1: burn it. So that way, they drop of blood is
Speaker 1: an offering. Plus it's adding the extra energy to the
Speaker 1: petition and you're just closing it out right there and
Speaker 1: just wait for it to manifest, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, But I'm I'm really think even.
Speaker 1: Just working with them as an offering because you're putting
Speaker 1: a lot of energy into it.
Speaker 2: I think one of these days I'm gonna try a
Speaker 2: little blood magic. Just see what happens.
Speaker 4: Are you going to do it?
Speaker 2: Just see what happened?
Speaker 4: I feel like there is something extra with that. Just
Speaker 4: the thought of that is like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to even though it's
Speaker 4: just a little drop, you know.
Speaker 1: So when I work with a lot of spirits, though,
Speaker 1: I'll use my vampire box and I'll do what's called
Speaker 1: an energetic blood sacrifice, where I'll just take a you know,
Speaker 1: a U a douchebag literally put him well, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a a mark you know someone.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I thought you were talking about an
Speaker 2: actual like Vagina.
Speaker 1: The world's full of assholes did like to volunteer themselves
Speaker 1: for this kind of thing. You know, there's there's no
Speaker 1: shortere of assholes in the world. So yeah, take it,
Speaker 1: take a picture of someone, stick it in the input,
Speaker 1: put the put the sigil of the spirit on the output,
Speaker 1: and just do an energetic blood sacrifice turning on and
Speaker 1: then uh, that works super good because it's a super clean,
Speaker 1: usable energy. They like it, and then it runs kind
Speaker 1: of continuously, you know. And with pine Montins he's ruled
Speaker 1: by the sun. You could probably even just use a
Speaker 1: picture of the sun, which will have a lot more
Speaker 1: energy going. So that's if you have a vampire box
Speaker 1: or or a uh regular radiox box, so you can
Speaker 1: just put the person in there and then just dial
Speaker 1: into his life force. Put this, put the spirit on
Speaker 1: the output. Yeah it's clean, you know, and uh, no blood,
Speaker 1: no fuss, no must, you know.
Speaker 2: Energetic sniper dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean Radio Honis changes the game a lot.
Speaker 5: Radio Hunts does change the game a lot, you know.
Speaker 2: Ashton said, Lord Byron, what are your thoughts on meme
Speaker 2: chaos magic?
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh yeah, I mean I think it's real.
Speaker 1: I think people do it.
Speaker 5: I think it's successful. Yeah, totally absolutely.
Speaker 4: And mean chaos. I don't even know what this is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically like like meme warfare, you know, and that
Speaker 1: I want to say that Pepe the fraud that people
Speaker 1: call kek, you know, I want to say that was
Speaker 1: created by a bunch of chaos magicians off of like.
Speaker 5: Either read or Fortune.
Speaker 1: I think I might have been four Chune, but I
Speaker 1: think that was created by chaos magicians, you know. And
Speaker 1: he's still going strong. I mean like he's fizzled out
Speaker 1: a lot. But every once in a while I'll be scrolling.
Speaker 1: There's that frogs there not you that little smirt to
Speaker 1: go down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it reminds me of what was that that dude
Speaker 2: from Lord of the Rings where there was that meme
Speaker 2: that was going around where where he goes one does
Speaker 2: not simply and then it was dot dot dot whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And you know, if you're if you're good
Speaker 1: at means and stuff you might be able to put
Speaker 1: like a subliminal message into it or yeah, you know
Speaker 1: you can do you can do stuff. And then you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to like books like comic books or
Speaker 1: stories or paintings, you can do what's kind of called
Speaker 1: like a like a quantum sigil.
Speaker 5: Uh where you you're basically it has a few names.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's just called the quantum sedul.
Speaker 1: But you're basically like, let's just say you write a
Speaker 1: short story about you know, you being successful and having
Speaker 1: an awesome relationship and you know, and so so you
Speaker 1: could it's basically creating a story or like a painting
Speaker 1: or something, a piece of art that other people can
Speaker 1: even read.
Speaker 5: But uh, where it's like activating this.
Speaker 1: For you, you know, or whatever you're trying to accomplish. There
Speaker 1: was this one comic book artist was a Grant Morse
Speaker 1: and let's say his name is. He's an Irish guy.
Speaker 1: I think he's you're an Irish or Scottish. He has
Speaker 1: one of those thick your accents, but he did that
Speaker 1: with like his comic But he makes comic books and
Speaker 1: they're basically like quantum sigils, and some of the characters
Speaker 1: are like servitors and stuff.
Speaker 2: Whoa in his comic book.
Speaker 4: That's cool. I like that. Gotta respect you.
Speaker 1: He had a famous little kind of like speech you did,
Speaker 1: kind of like lecture where he's talking about the Holy
Speaker 1: Guardian Angel and stuff and how magic really works. And
Speaker 1: he's like kind of drinking and stuff, and he's like
Speaker 1: super kind of like fun and animated when he does it.
Speaker 2: Dude, just out of curiosity. So and I was just
Speaker 2: thinking about it, you know, because many of people out
Speaker 2: there get tattoos, and obviously, you know, with a tattoo,
Speaker 2: you're going to bleed sometimes, right, like your skin get
Speaker 2: a little raw, and and obviously the ink is going
Speaker 2: into your skin and everything is there. Like how long
Speaker 2: would the power or the magic last if you decided
Speaker 2: to put a sigil on your skin or do you
Speaker 2: even advise that.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people do it, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of at the point now like if
Speaker 1: you're if you're gonna do it, make sure it's something
Speaker 1: you're gonna want for the rest of your life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, make sure you know, like don't overthink it.
Speaker 1: Make sure it's kind of simple and something you're gonna want.
Speaker 1: You know, but because I've seen people that you know,
Speaker 1: like tattooed like servatoris on them, and then later on
Speaker 1: how to remove the tattoos.
Speaker 2: So the only reason I ask is because you know,
Speaker 2: you see people getting you know, like like Metatron's cube
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, like a bunch of different geometric
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and I always wonder, is there some
Speaker 2: kind of magic even almost subconsciously not even knowingly built in.
Speaker 1: It's probably altering your arc field, for sure, it probably is.
Speaker 1: I think it probably would on top of the intention.
Speaker 1: But something like a SID is gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: more specific, And especially if you're a practitioner, because you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of hippies get like Metatrons cubes, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say they're like practitioners, you know, right, So so you know,
Speaker 1: the amount of potency in the return you're gonna get
Speaker 1: on it is probably gonna vary a little bit on
Speaker 1: your personal leaf. And like if it's like a spirit
Speaker 1: you work with a lot, you know, you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: you know, it's probably gonna have a strong effect compared
Speaker 1: to someone just getting like something tattoo because it looks cool.
Speaker 5: So I think depends.
Speaker 1: But even someone who gets something tattooed because it looks cool,
Speaker 1: I think it's still gonna affect their org field and
Speaker 1: uh you know manifest or interact with other orc fields,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Or even just in the physical. You know, someone sees
Speaker 4: your tattoo and it's something so symbolically strong that it
Speaker 4: affects them even you know, souconsciously and they're not even
Speaker 4: aware of it. And so yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, what if you got some what if you got
Speaker 1: something tattooed to influence people right now? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like a like a public speaker who wants uh like adoration,
Speaker 1: that Venetian energy of being like people loving you and
Speaker 1: bringing people together, right.
Speaker 2: You know, but like just taking it even farther. What
Speaker 2: you know, because most people, whenever they get a tattoo done,
Speaker 2: they get it you know, so the the artist will
Speaker 2: draw it out and it'll be drawn on transfer paper.
Speaker 2: What if you were to then take that transfer paper,
Speaker 2: put it into a fucking vampire box, charge it up
Speaker 2: with a Sun card or something like that, Like, would
Speaker 2: there be something extra going on there?
Speaker 1: You know, something that I wanted to do, especially when
Speaker 1: Sean mentioned he does tattoos and stuff, was to take
Speaker 1: to take the tattoo ink and program it with radionics
Speaker 1: for whatever purpose you want.
Speaker 5: And then tattoo it.
Speaker 4: You know, that's the move.
Speaker 5: So you can make a schigule.
Speaker 1: For like prosperity, program the crap out of it with radionics,
Speaker 1: tattoo it in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm gonna need a vampire box now.
Speaker 4: Is just gonna have to be done this way?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, you might be able to charge extra money
Speaker 1: for the service to get good at it, you know,
Speaker 1: and you get you get a little bit of a following.
Speaker 2: For sure, for literally the rest of your life. I
Speaker 2: got it right here.
Speaker 4: Just chug the whole bottle of ink, dude, everyone's getting
Speaker 4: some of that.
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be cool to get into guitar making
Speaker 1: and turn a guitar into a servitor, you know, so
Speaker 1: so the guitar is like a.
Speaker 5: Living entity helping the musician justh red balls, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a fun idea. Well, look, Byron, I
Speaker 2: think we're going to get ready for that meditation, sir.
Speaker 2: It's about that time. But first before we do that, Sean,
Speaker 2: we got.
Speaker 4: A tarot card, sir. It is no surprise we got
Speaker 4: Byron gesture on with us. We got the Harror Fan.
Speaker 2: No, you knew that that was going to happen to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's my card man.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh, that's the fifth card. And you got a
Speaker 4: five pointed star. And I think you even mentioned five
Speaker 4: earlier in the show.
Speaker 5: My numerology is five. I'm all, I'm all five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hire Fan is like tourist energy, right, like.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the horror fun Yeah, it's a trus Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a tourist energy.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: So the Higher Fan sits upon a temple throne, sharing
Speaker 2: his sacred knowledge with devoted pupils, as Lord Byron is
Speaker 2: here to do uh. Through his connection to spirits, he
Speaker 2: is the bridge between heaven and Earth. The Higher Fan
Speaker 2: is an interpreter of sacred mysteries or esoteric principles, So
Speaker 2: this card evokes an ongoing quest for knowledge. Much like
Speaker 2: the High Priestess, the Higher Fan is in near constant
Speaker 2: communication with the divine. The difference is that the High
Speaker 2: Priestess channels her knowledge through her intuition, where while the
Speaker 2: Higher Fan studies and learns by upholding traditions, participating in rituals,
Speaker 2: and teaching ancient knowledge to others. The Higher Fan appears
Speaker 2: seated on a throne in traditional religious robes, busily sharing
Speaker 2: his spiritual teachings with the two figures seated before him.
Speaker 2: The religious iconography, the keys and his papal staff, hand
Speaker 2: position and crosses, to name a few, is symbolic of
Speaker 2: his purity and devotion to his spirituality, having strong faith
Speaker 2: and a set of strict principles to live by. The
Speaker 2: Higher Fan is happiest following a traditional course of study.
Speaker 4: Interesting, where next guy's wearing hats? Or are they bald?
Speaker 4: I can't tell the the people the two guys that
Speaker 4: are kind of like, I think.
Speaker 2: Those are friars. Are they friars? They're the friars. Are
Speaker 2: the ones that like shave that middle part of their
Speaker 2: hair right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: The right or weight deck?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think they're yeah, right.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, what's going on with that though?
Speaker 4: You know, like why they just don't have hair right there?
Speaker 4: You know, and hair being your like antenna, you know,
Speaker 4: at least it's from af Well.
Speaker 2: Some there's differing beliefs on the whole hair situation, depending
Speaker 2: on what culture you go to. Some people shave their
Speaker 2: head entirely because they believe that like God is is
Speaker 2: gonna have easier access, doesn't have to go through your hair.
Speaker 2: And the same thing with like the bowl cut, the
Speaker 2: reverse bull cut, I guess is really what it is
Speaker 2: when you're talking about these friars to where you know,
Speaker 2: they're allowing that direct communication with the divine and they
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about their hair. Am I right
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 4: Byron?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? And there's also the purity aspect of it too.
Speaker 1: And but you know, like like a Natives, American Indians
Speaker 1: in the East, Indie and is kind of have a
Speaker 1: thing where like the long hair is like a psychic antenna.
Speaker 4: And yeah, you know I've always heard it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's kind of how I view it.
Speaker 5: You know, I have a spiritual attachment and having long hair.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm growing my back up working for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The spiritual message says you may deepen your spirituality by
Speaker 2: studying healing modalities or courses and the foundations of spiritual knowledge.
Speaker 2: You may even teach healing arts or offer spiritual guidance.
Speaker 2: Be open to a teacher entering your life. This may
Speaker 2: come in many forms. There you go, that's the Lord
Speaker 2: Byron Jester For you, Lord Byron, You're to teach us
Speaker 2: something man always, Lord Byron. If this is somebody's first
Speaker 2: time ever hearing you, I'm sorry about that. But how
Speaker 2: would they be able to find you reach out to you?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Maybe they are interested in the radionics. Where would they
Speaker 2: be able to find that?
Speaker 4: Ad sir?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, My my main YouTube channel is may Apotheosis,
Speaker 1: which now is my Apotheosis with Lord Byron Jester because
Speaker 1: once I started doing interviews, now people just know me
Speaker 1: as that, so you know, of course, and then my
Speaker 1: my Etsy page is my Apotheosis. I prefer people who're
Speaker 1: just going through me direct, so you can just contact
Speaker 1: me direct. Instagram is a good place to get get
Speaker 1: a hold of me, you know, so very well. And
Speaker 1: that's Lord Byron Jester, all lowercase, all one word.
Speaker 5: You know you'll find me.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, this was awesome, Byron. I'm sure you are.
Speaker 2: You gonna be sticking around for the meditation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll stick around for a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Well it's always better whenever more people are here to
Speaker 2: charge that boy up, you know. So let's just try
Speaker 2: and meet in the astral world and just get real strange.
Speaker 2: But anyhow, Happy Halloween to everybody that's listening to this.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you listening to us on this day, and
Speaker 2: uh we love you and Sean. Any parting words for.
Speaker 4: You, sir, oh man, this was just a blasting time
Speaker 4: we get the gesture on. You know, I already know
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a good time, so you cracked me up.
Speaker 8: Dude.
Speaker 4: You know, I just love you and thanks for thanks
Speaker 4: for joining. Well, next time we'll make sure it doesn't
Speaker 4: take what more than three months, you know, but shame
Speaker 4: on us. Thanks for thanks for blessing us with your presence, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 5: Man, you guys kind of started the whole ball from you,
Speaker 5: so you.
Speaker 4: Know, of course, anytime, man, yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 2: Well look we're about to get over to that meditation.
Speaker 2: If you want to be a part of that meditation
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Speaker 2: we would appreciate that. But look, we're about to get
Speaker 2: over to the to the meditation, and what we like
Speaker 2: to say is.
Speaker 1: If Lord Byron came here and he's on you anything,
Speaker 1: it's that you don't know what you don't know, So
Speaker 1: don't just get weird.
Speaker 4: Stay weird.
Speaker 1: Was it.
Speaker 4: Was a nice man? I can't say that I was
Speaker 4: seen without my eyes yet, you know, but no, it's
Speaker 4: pretty pretty cool, man. It's good to be in the
Speaker 4: complete darkness, Like it's so much easier to get to
Speaker 4: that in betwixt, you know, because there's no I don't know,
Speaker 4: you're not you're not staring into the lights through your eyelids.
Speaker 4: It's just pitch black, dude, almost like void, like you know,
Speaker 4: it seems like when you're there, it's a it's a
Speaker 4: my easier place to create, kind of create your own
Speaker 4: little world, you know, like a very blank.
Speaker 2: Slate, and you're in this new place, you know, like
Speaker 2: the author.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking about too, you know.
Speaker 4: And that was great, man. I imagined you know, you've
Speaker 4: seen Beetlejuice, right the first one. Okay, I figured I
Speaker 4: was gonna be a little bit upset actually if if
Speaker 4: you had, But actually, good, I enjoyed that one. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: it was good. You know the little the little uh
Speaker 4: figurines or structure what are they called sculptures that she
Speaker 4: creates the mom you know, the weird look and yeah,
Speaker 4: so I imagined, you know, my those negative thoughts or
Speaker 4: whatever you know, it was. I won't go into it.
Speaker 4: As far as what I kind of wanted to get
Speaker 4: rid of. I imagine it was the one you know
Speaker 4: that was like it had like a brick hanging from it,
Speaker 4: but it had like tentacles or something. And at some
Speaker 4: point in the movie, it actually like grabs the dude,
Speaker 4: you know, and it holds him or whatever. And so
Speaker 4: I imagined the thing the shape was was that pretty much,
Speaker 4: you know, but it was made of wood, and the
Speaker 4: wood was kind of like ugly, and you know, because
Speaker 4: it was like a negative type of thing. So but
Speaker 4: it was made out of wood. And so that's the
Speaker 4: thing that I threw into the fire. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's pretty cool. I don't think that. I don't know
Speaker 4: for sure if in that video it was showing fire,
Speaker 4: but of course I was kind of imagining it, and
Speaker 4: in that blank slate of a you know, a realm
Speaker 4: that I was kind of creating, I almost felt like
Speaker 4: I could almost see, you know, like the fire and
Speaker 4: like the little embers kind of going up into the air,
Speaker 4: you know, the energy of that negative thing that I released.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like I can't destroy the energy, but
Speaker 4: I can at least push it away, you know, let
Speaker 4: it go somewhere else. And uh yeah, man, I mean
Speaker 4: that's pretty much alchemy, man, you know, basically it is
Speaker 4: what that was.
Speaker 2: Well transmute, I like it.
Speaker 4: That's it, yeah, dude, Yeah, yeah, anything crazy though, you know,
Speaker 4: nothing you know, it was cool though using the blindfold,
Speaker 4: and I was also thinking, like in the very beginning,
Speaker 4: I was like, man, what a what a reality I've
Speaker 4: created for myself here I am meditating with a blindfold,
Speaker 4: you know, going through a guided meditation on our podcast,
Speaker 4: like I don't know, on a.
Speaker 2: Live show, yeah, dude, yeah, a live show. Yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, I kind of went off script there because
Speaker 2: as soon as she mentioned and I started hearing the
Speaker 2: crackling of the of the bonfire or whatever was going
Speaker 2: on there. Man, that really like I was all the
Speaker 2: way in with that fire. Yeah, and I just started
Speaker 2: I remembered a specific bonfire that I went to whenever
Speaker 2: I was like fifteen years old, and all my friends
Speaker 2: from school were there. It was at my girlfriend at
Speaker 2: the time. It was at her house, and just dude,
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, we were all sneaking off
Speaker 2: into the woods to go smoke cigarettes and trying to
Speaker 2: hide from the parents and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, were the cool kids, huh?
Speaker 2: We thought we were anyway, and just good times, you know.
Speaker 2: And so it's crazy that, you know, I haven't even
Speaker 2: thought about that for forever, but the amount of details
Speaker 2: that you can remember from something that happened, what is
Speaker 2: that now twenty years ago? You know, and I haven't
Speaker 2: thought about it at all, but you know, here it is.
Speaker 2: It's still locked up in here somewhere, or in here
Speaker 2: somewhere wherever the aura is, right, Yeah, yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I was just kind of tapped into that and you know,
Speaker 2: really went into a very deep meditation, very relaxing, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of dangerous if you get in there,
Speaker 2: you know, because you get so relaxed that you are
Speaker 2: having an experience, but you're in such a like such
Speaker 2: a super deep meditation to where you almost forget the
Speaker 2: details you ever have that happened, like to where you're
Speaker 2: in such a deep meditation to where you're like, man,
Speaker 2: I know, I was just experiencing something, but what the
Speaker 2: hell was it? You know, and you come up out
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, And so I always try.
Speaker 4: And thinks that are just for you. You know, it's
Speaker 4: there somewhere, you know, you don't necessarily need to articulate it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a I mean, it was a
Speaker 2: comfort thing for sure. And dude, you know, there's so
Speaker 2: many people that don't meditate and they're just missing out. Dude,
Speaker 2: on that, you know, like the amazing things that go
Speaker 2: on within you know, whatever wherever you're going in meditation,
Speaker 2: like there is things to be seen, and there's things
Speaker 2: to be remembered, and there's things to feel, and you know,
Speaker 2: I even would, dude, I was in that meditation, I
Speaker 2: was feeling what I felt twenty years ago, which.
Speaker 4: Is like right, you know, and you triggered that with
Speaker 4: your own mind.
Speaker 2: Dude, how do you remember a feeling from twenty years ago?
Speaker 2: Like that was the first time that's happened. I don't
Speaker 2: That might have been the first time I've ever felt
Speaker 2: like something like that to where, you know, just like
Speaker 2: the vibe of the party and you know, a couple
Speaker 2: of my friends over, you know, just being goofing off
Speaker 2: or whatever as fifteen year olds, do you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and just the whole thing. It was just a man,
Speaker 2: I felt like it was like fucking inception or something
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the only other time that you can really
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe there's a lot of
Speaker 4: different ways, but just one that comes to mind as
Speaker 4: far as remembering a feeling and actually feeling that feeling
Speaker 4: is like a particular smell, you know, like for me
Speaker 4: for whatever reason. The cars that we had when I
Speaker 4: was growing up, one of them burned oil, and you
Speaker 4: know when a car's burning oil, it's a very distinct smell,
Speaker 4: and like that smell always takes me back to just
Speaker 4: being a kid, you know, and there's like a feeling.
Speaker 4: I can't describe it, but it's just it's just there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, as far as speaking on people that don't
Speaker 4: meditate and they're missing out, they really are. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like, how often do you set the intention to
Speaker 4: go into the depths of your own mind. We already
Speaker 4: know how complex the human brain is, and so all
Speaker 4: of the different layers and just things that are happening
Speaker 4: in there that you're just unaware of, and so taking
Speaker 4: the time to just put your awareness there for a
Speaker 4: little bit can be interesting.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm not even converse that it's happening in the
Speaker 2: mind at this point, Like honestly, like I feel like
Speaker 2: we're just you know, because if you think about it,
Speaker 2: and maybe there are some brain scans that will show
Speaker 2: some activity whenever you're in meditation, I'm sure there is, right,
Speaker 2: but it almost feels like it's away from physical life,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying like, it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: i'mlike dot in my brain or anything like that. Like
Speaker 2: it feels like you're tapping into something that has always exists,
Speaker 2: the physical you know, Yeah, you just happened into something
Speaker 2: that has like always a existed and even the things
Speaker 2: that you thought were gone are still there. Man, It's
Speaker 2: just so crazy. And yeah, as far as that smell, dude,
Speaker 2: you want to say, there's some smell really bring me
Speaker 2: all the way back in time. Like so, I recently,
Speaker 2: like last month, I bought a two thousand and one
Speaker 2: Ford Ranger, And dude, love that truck. I always love
Speaker 2: like the smaller trucks. They're so much fun. And but
Speaker 2: growing up, that's what my dad had, that same exact year,
Speaker 2: that same exact model.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: That truck is what my dad had, and except for
Speaker 2: he had a black one, I have a white one.
Speaker 2: And dude, getting in there, it smells exactly like my
Speaker 2: dad's truck, And I was like, how do I even.
Speaker 4: Remember what that smell smells like?
Speaker 2: You know, so weird. And then like my grandma used
Speaker 2: to always wear this one perfume and every so often
Speaker 2: I'm in wal Mart or I go somewhere and I
Speaker 2: smell it, and I'm like, you're like, because it's not.
Speaker 2: It took a very popular one, you know. It's like
Speaker 2: an it's an old woman perfume, you know, yes, and man,
Speaker 2: you spell, I just take.
Speaker 4: Exactly the one you're talking about. You might, you may.
Speaker 4: I know that one. Every once in a while you
Speaker 4: catch it. You're like Grandma, you know, like, yeah, where
Speaker 4: are you?
Speaker 2: I know you're in this waltmart And she always wore
Speaker 2: the same one for like my whole life. So, man,
Speaker 2: really really weird the mind, the unconscious, the subconscious, the conscious, wherever,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever that is. Man to be able to
Speaker 2: just success to have access to that. And just to
Speaker 2: go back to what I was saying, you know, there's
Speaker 2: some people that just can't meditate. They say that they
Speaker 2: can't meditate because they can't get out of their own way.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it just takes me back to my
Speaker 2: first time, like my first time ever trying to meditate.
Speaker 2: I sucked at it. I was going nowhere. There was
Speaker 2: nothing that was happening because I was paying too much
Speaker 2: attention to my thoughts and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Right and and after a while, and I was so
Speaker 2: dedicated to learning how to do this, Like, whenever I
Speaker 2: get obsessed about something, you can't take me off that path,
Speaker 2: Like I'm I get obsessed about stuff, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And sometimes to my detriment, But in this case,
Speaker 2: it was really good. And so and dude, I remember
Speaker 2: trying for like a week, every night, for forty five
Speaker 2: minutes to an hour every single night, right before I
Speaker 2: would go to bed, I would try it, and it
Speaker 2: would it was always, you know, in front of I
Speaker 2: would I would actually turn YouTube on on my TV
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't even wear headphones. I would just turn
Speaker 2: it on the TV and sit there, like because I
Speaker 2: was home alone most of the time, and and so
Speaker 2: I would just sit there and I'd be like, it's
Speaker 2: gonna happen. I know it's going to happen. Then I
Speaker 2: started listening to sad Guru and Delor's Canon, and then
Speaker 2: they kind of help me understand how to do it
Speaker 2: a little bit more. And I was like, oh, so
Speaker 2: I just have to not think about anything. And and
Speaker 2: for some reason that was like an epiphany moment, you know,
Speaker 2: because I thought, Oh, we're trying to get to this
Speaker 2: place or we're trying to you know what. I mean,
Speaker 2: but the goal is don't try anything, you know, like
Speaker 2: don't try it's actually like the absence of trying, you know.
Speaker 2: And and so yeah, once once that happened, dude. It
Speaker 2: was in like my first month ever meditating, I had
Speaker 2: a Condolini experience to where I, oh, dude, I was
Speaker 2: spinning like out of control, and I felt the motion
Speaker 2: of like just spinning.
Speaker 4: Like I was on like some kind of you know,
Speaker 4: ride faster and faster.
Speaker 2: It was going faster and faster, and I almost like
Speaker 2: I started to feel like I was getting sick from
Speaker 2: the motion from it, you know. And then after a
Speaker 2: couple of nights of working with it, I understood that
Speaker 2: I can, like I can change up the speed and
Speaker 2: I can make it slower and I can make it faster.
Speaker 2: And it was blowing my mind, you know. And of
Speaker 2: course at that time, dude, I was meditating every day,
Speaker 2: like every single day.
Speaker 4: I'm You're hooked, dude.
Speaker 2: I was so hooked to it, and I need to
Speaker 2: get back to that because now, I mean, we do
Speaker 2: the two meditations per week, but I usually I've started
Speaker 2: sprinkling in one or two extra per week on top
Speaker 2: of like outside of the show, and those those are
Speaker 2: interesting because you know, whenever you're meditating by yourself, you know,
Speaker 2: in the back of my mind because I'm in control
Speaker 2: of the meditation over here and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: I know, like, all right, well, I don't want to
Speaker 2: make it too long. I know some people, you know,
Speaker 2: we're just trying to get a little taste of meditation
Speaker 2: for ten or fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4: Or something like that.
Speaker 2: But whenever, you don't have to worry about that, and
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about time, and there's no
Speaker 2: no mark or no limit or anything like that. Dude,
Speaker 2: an hour goes by so fast in meditation, like like
Speaker 2: I'll wake up and not wake up, but like get
Speaker 2: up out of this meditation, and my whole body is
Speaker 2: comp it's like vibratingly numb, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe set your whole nervous system.
Speaker 2: My throat is so dry and and my body just
Speaker 2: needs to get its bones set back into place. It
Speaker 2: feels like yeah, And man, those are some of the
Speaker 2: best because you really go on a deep journey. And
Speaker 2: so anybody that hasn't tried, dude, try and meditate for
Speaker 2: forty five minutes and just see how fast it goes
Speaker 2: for the first ten minutes, you're gonna be like, oh man,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be pretty long, and then like you forget
Speaker 2: that you're there, and then before you know it, the
Speaker 2: meditation's over.
Speaker 4: It's like it's a way you just get out of
Speaker 4: that that state of trying get out of that that
Speaker 4: that mindset of waiting for something to happen. Just just
Speaker 4: try to forget about all that, you know. But it's
Speaker 4: it's really interesting that you had almost a motion sickness
Speaker 4: from being the most still you've probably ever been up
Speaker 4: until that point. Yeah, isn't that kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it shouldn't make sense.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you think about like most of the
Speaker 2: time that you allow your brain to relax, you're either
Speaker 2: sleeping or driving for the most part, right, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like that's usually the nothing zones, relinquishing
Speaker 2: all control. That's hard for people. Yeah, yeah, because driving
Speaker 2: is pretty damn meditative.
Speaker 4: Actually, you know it is. It can be. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: poly hence why I hallucinated that one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to say, dude, I experienced that too.
Speaker 2: I was driving to Arizona and you know, the Arizona
Speaker 2: flag like it has like the sun rays on it, right,
Speaker 2: And as I was driving past the sign that said
Speaker 2: Welcome to Arizona, I started to see like lights that
Speaker 2: were flashing like it was vegas like as the rays.
Speaker 2: So it's like a yellow like a yellow ray, and
Speaker 2: then an orange ray or yellow ray, then a red
Speaker 2: ray or something like that on the flag right, But
Speaker 2: it was on the billboard, and I asked my mom.
Speaker 2: I was like, is that a light up sign? She goes, oh,
Speaker 2: you're tired, And I was like, because I was chirping
Speaker 2: me out like I thought it was legit flashing.
Speaker 4: At me right. Well, I think they are pretty fluorescent,
Speaker 4: like for whatever reason, they got it to where, you know,
Speaker 4: if a light hits it, they light up pretty good,
Speaker 4: like I know which one which sign you're talking about,
Speaker 4: you know. But but for it to be like fluctuating,
Speaker 4: I don't know unless there was like the only I'm
Speaker 4: trying to explain it like reason or physically, you know.
Speaker 4: I can only think of like maybe headlights behind you
Speaker 4: were you know, being blocked by your car and like
Speaker 4: it was throwing throwing you off. But I don't know,
Speaker 4: they don't usually flicker or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Britt said. Britt said, what I want to know is
Speaker 2: how do you smell stuff or taste stuff in dreams?
Speaker 4: Hm? Hmm, you know it's it's weird. I don't even
Speaker 4: know if I. I don't think I had trying to
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think if I've even smelled anything in
Speaker 4: a dream. The only the only time that I do.
Speaker 4: I do know for a fact that there was some
Speaker 4: sort of smelling and it only happens during like a
Speaker 4: like a nightmare, like something super terrifying is happening. And
Speaker 4: in those dreams, I feel like there's this very distinct
Speaker 4: smell and I couldn't describe it to you if I tried,
Speaker 4: But the only way I've ever explained it is it's
Speaker 4: just like it just smells like fear, like the smell
Speaker 4: of fear. And I know I'm in a nightmare. You know.
Speaker 4: That used to happen a lot when I was a kid,
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I don't know if anybody else's
Speaker 4: experience that. But as far as I don't know, if
Speaker 4: I've ever smelt or tasted anything in a dream, probably maybe.
Speaker 2: Do you ever remember any dream eating anything? I don't know,
Speaker 2: because I don't think I had.
Speaker 4: I don't think so your mind's not gonna go there.
Speaker 4: It doesn't need to eat, you know. I mean, what
Speaker 4: if you go to bed. I don't know if I've
Speaker 4: eaten anything in a dream.
Speaker 2: Oh I've dreamed of food, but I don't remember if
Speaker 2: I've even if I've eaten it in the dream, because
Speaker 2: I know, like especially if I'm doing like a fast,
Speaker 2: like a two or three day fast, I know I'll
Speaker 2: dream of food, you know, but I don't know if
Speaker 2: i've I don't know if I remember eating it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: as far as senses, it's so strange. Ashton said, bro,
Speaker 2: I've experienced both. There's weird foods and dreams that don't
Speaker 2: exist here. Oh shit, right, you're gonna have to teach
Speaker 2: us your ways then, you know. Yeah, yeah, maybe just
Speaker 2: put put forth that that effort and see what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: brit says, I've had I've had dreams where I'm smoking
Speaker 2: a cigarette and can taste it and smell it and
Speaker 2: I've never smoked. Oh interesting, dude, all right, isn't that strange?
Speaker 2: I mean, like and just to and I probably said
Speaker 2: this before, but like I was like, probably I don't
Speaker 2: even know what age. Let me think about that. Maybe
Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen years.
Speaker 4: Old and I had a cigarette.
Speaker 2: No, I had a sex dream. I had a sex dream.
Speaker 2: I was like twelve or thirteen years old, and I
Speaker 2: had never obviously I do. I didn't even lose my
Speaker 2: virginia til I was seventeen, and so I wouldn't even
Speaker 2: know what that would have felt like. And yet it
Speaker 2: stuck with me for all those years until I eventually
Speaker 2: lost my virginity and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's literally exactly what my dream was like, Like I
Speaker 2: just knew that, Like, what is that like?
Speaker 4: I think to me, must be like that good? You know,
Speaker 4: it must feel like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is pretty good, but I mean in fact,
Speaker 2: but I mean just as far as that must to me,
Speaker 2: that was like a like proof of there has to
Speaker 2: be past lives, because it doesn't make sense that I
Speaker 2: would have known what that felt like and then to
Speaker 2: remember the entire dream for all those years and then
Speaker 2: finally lose my virginity and it felt exactly the same.
Speaker 2: How could I could, dude, how could I have known that?
Speaker 4: That's like, you don't think it was something too like
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying this is what it was,
Speaker 4: but like possibly you just kind of like after the fact,
Speaker 4: you know, looked back and said, oh, that's what that
Speaker 4: felt like in the dream. But really it was just
Speaker 4: kind of like you kind of projecting what you felt
Speaker 4: in the dream just from what you you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, no, no, I'm not saying that's what happened.
Speaker 4: You definitely distinguished both and said, okay, they're the same.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, yeah, so much so that as soon
Speaker 2: as the process started, might me losing my virginity in
Speaker 2: that whole scene, right, that's what that is the first
Speaker 2: thing I thought of, like, right, I should you not?
Speaker 2: It was so strange. Of course, you know, I kept
Speaker 2: a mental timer because I wanted to last longer than
Speaker 2: five minutes. But that's neither going there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Ashton said, didn't work out either. I'm sure anyway.
Speaker 2: I made it to four, actually made it to four,
Speaker 2: all right, all right, impressive, Ashton said, I've had dreams
Speaker 2: where I'll take acid and trip in the dream it's whacko.
Speaker 4: Whoa, I'm gonna thing I've experienced similar to that was
Speaker 4: just being woken up and already tripping because I took
Speaker 4: the four ECO and I was super tired, dude, and
Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe I was just like, oh, I
Speaker 4: don't know, maybe it's just not working. I'm not really
Speaker 4: feeling anything. Went to sleep, woke up for some reason
Speaker 4: why I think I know the reason. But I woke
Speaker 4: up and was just in full full trip. I remember
Speaker 4: because you were like that we was the weirdest thing. Dude.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you.
Speaker 2: Were like, dude, how lame am? I like, I fell
Speaker 2: asleep during a.
Speaker 4: Trip but then woke up. But can you imagine that, dude,
Speaker 4: just waking up and just being there already, And I
Speaker 4: was just I don't know, I felt like I wasn't ready,
Speaker 4: like I had zero time to mentally prepare, you know,
Speaker 4: like even though I knew I took it, went to sleep,
Speaker 4: and then woke up almost fresh, like out of nowhere,
Speaker 4: boom here I am. And yeah, that was a dark one, man.
Speaker 4: I felt like I was I was by myself too,
Speaker 4: and I was just like I went super super in.
Speaker 2: You went into your room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went into my little yeah, my little tattoo area,
Speaker 4: and I remember I was just sitting there and I
Speaker 4: looked over at this painting that I have. I think
Speaker 4: I got it at a yard sale, but it's like
Speaker 4: it's pretty cool, you know. It's like a ship in
Speaker 4: the background, and it looks like someone painting really painted it,
Speaker 4: like it's not like a copy, but maybe it is.
Speaker 4: But I was looking at it, and I felt like
Speaker 4: I was like looking into it, you know, like I
Speaker 4: felt like there was definitely like this was it wasn't
Speaker 4: just a painting, Like there was definitely a whole energy
Speaker 4: and a whole thing really happening there. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: And then I started looking down. I was looking at
Speaker 4: the concrete, and I felt like even that I can
Speaker 4: look into like there was there was death in the
Speaker 4: in the concrete because the room I tore off all
Speaker 4: the carpet and everything else. That way I can like
Speaker 4: mop the floor, you know, for for tattooing and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was a That was a weird one, man, That
Speaker 4: was a weird one. Being by yourself was a whole
Speaker 4: different thing, man is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And usually whenever I'm tripping, I like
Speaker 2: to spend the first hour just in my mind and
Speaker 2: then after I'll go out and walk around and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But if I if I can, which is
Speaker 2: what I did last time whenever I went to bro Grove,
Speaker 2: whenever me and Steph tripped, we both like we didn't
Speaker 2: even talk about it, but like for the first hour
Speaker 2: we kept to ourselves. She stayed on a recliner, I
Speaker 2: stayed on the couch and and we just went in.
Speaker 2: And man, I mean, the experiences you have on the
Speaker 2: outside are awesome, don't get me wrong, Like they're great.
Speaker 2: It is nothing compared to the inner world. It's not
Speaker 2: even it's not even close.
Speaker 4: The ship you experiences of the uh, that's where most
Speaker 4: of the magic happens, you know, that's where most of
Speaker 4: the transformational potential is, you know when you go there.
Speaker 4: But it can be it could be weird though. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that one night, I was staring into the concrete or whatever.
Speaker 4: I was just like, I don't know, man, I was
Speaker 4: just like looking at myself as of like I was,
Speaker 4: I don't know, there was a whole thing there, but anyway,
Speaker 4: it was very complex.
Speaker 2: Are you talking down on yourself, Sean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I was, dude. You know, you know
Speaker 4: me too well, dude, you know yea, Like, who am
Speaker 4: I don't do that? I know, I know, I'll stop.
Speaker 2: It's done, Brit said, Usually the food dreams or when
Speaker 2: I'm on a and the food tastes so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 2: Ashton said, Mine always involved people giving me weird food,
Speaker 2: giving me weird food offerings that don't exist here. And
Speaker 2: one of them, mercury, was a delicacy and it was
Speaker 2: served frozen and it was supposed to melt in your mouth.
Speaker 2: My god.
Speaker 4: Interesting. No, I think that's really actually fascinating because he
Speaker 4: said it it was like food offerings. Yeah, like as if,
Speaker 4: like when you're in the dream realm, you are the
Speaker 4: entity that people are offering. I don't know. Wow, I
Speaker 4: wonder if it is like that, all am I offering
Speaker 4: to be buffalo wings, you know, one day long time
Speaker 4: from now, you know, if you want to make me
Speaker 4: an offering buffalo.
Speaker 2: Give me a cow zone. I'll take a cow zone
Speaker 2: or some perogies. Those are my two favorite foods, solid
Speaker 2: solid or maybe like a little bit of kilbasa and
Speaker 2: sour krout take that.
Speaker 4: Too, okay, little mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2: Damn, I'm hungry now, it said mine. Uh, there's usually
Speaker 2: a buffet of food to choose from, and I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Probably the parasites interjecting in my dreams, dude, Honestly, I
Speaker 2: just started cleansing. Over the past week, I've been taking
Speaker 2: this thing called a paraguard, and it's it's meant to
Speaker 2: get rid of, you know, your worms and parasites and
Speaker 2: you know, clean up your gut health and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And man, I do legit. I don't
Speaker 2: even I went shopping earlier, and I went against my
Speaker 2: cardinal rule of you know, you're not supposed to go
Speaker 2: grocery shopping on an empty stomach, you know, because then you.
Speaker 4: Start buying a bunch of bullshit ten items have nothing
Speaker 4: to do with your plan dinners or anything like that.
Speaker 4: It's like, why do I have Swiss rolls and cupcakes
Speaker 4: and everything else?
Speaker 2: It's yeah, Well, and dude, ever since I've been on this,
Speaker 2: I haven't even craved anything bad. So it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's working. Like I've like I don't
Speaker 2: even eat for fun, you know, like it's a it's
Speaker 2: a eat because I need energy kind of thing.
Speaker 4: You know. I'm sure there's that, man, But those paras
Speaker 4: need to get on something like that.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, those parasites, that's what they feed off of,
Speaker 2: you know, they feed off of the sugar, mainly carbohydrates, right, right,
Speaker 2: which just processing sugar in your gut, you know, right,
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's that they must be working. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've only been on it for a week. They say
Speaker 2: you're supposed to do it for a month. It's like
Speaker 2: these little drops and it tastes fucking god awful. But
Speaker 2: it has like all natural things like like once a
Speaker 2: day not.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I put well, it says if you're trying to like
Speaker 2: go all the way, so you're supposed to take thirty
Speaker 2: drops three times a day regularly. But if you're really
Speaker 2: trying to go hard in the paint, then you go
Speaker 2: thirty drops four times a day, and you you know,
Speaker 2: you just drop it into a little cup and then
Speaker 2: it tastes so bad. I mix it with like some
Speaker 2: juice or something like that. I got some zero sugar juice,
Speaker 2: and I mean it still tastes horrendous, but it's better
Speaker 2: than doing it. But it reminds me of Yeggermeister, which
Speaker 2: is disgusting, you know. But yeah, Ashton said, just be careful, Jonathan.
Speaker 2: My mom ruined her entire microbiome with experimental cleanses and
Speaker 2: will never recover. Yeah, I'm actually uh so the one
Speaker 2: that I'm taking, it's the idea is is that you
Speaker 2: take that it's that it's called paraguard. But then you're
Speaker 2: supposed to have something that I can't remember what it's
Speaker 2: called now, basically the the stuff that goes into your
Speaker 2: gut and collects all the dead parasitic bodies and helps
Speaker 2: flush flush it out of you so that that way
Speaker 2: they don't like zombifi and come back to life or whatever,
Speaker 2: because usually the idea that they're like they're poisonous and
Speaker 2: whenever they die, then they start to like decompose and
Speaker 2: all of that poison leaks back into your body. And
Speaker 2: so you need to be something. Yeah, you need something
Speaker 2: to like to put in there. And it's a Beton
Speaker 2: night clay. Yeah, it's a ben ben To night clay
Speaker 2: or Ben's night clay or something like that. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and a binder. That's the word. Yeah, it's a binder. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it has Beton night clay, and it has charcoal in
Speaker 2: there and all all the different binder things and yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I've been doing. And and and also in
Speaker 2: the binder it has prebiotics and pro bibot and probiotics
Speaker 2: in it, so it's it's not only getting rid of
Speaker 2: all the bad ship, but it's pumping good stuff into
Speaker 2: you at the same time, all right. And I've always
Speaker 2: had like very very like horrendous stomach is like stomach issues.
Speaker 4: Like how long you've been doing it? Now, like a week? Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to do it. You've already noticed like somewhat
Speaker 4: of a of a change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think so. I don't have the
Speaker 2: same cravings anymore. They say that's usually the number one sign.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I definitely feel like I need to get
Speaker 4: I need to do something because I feel like, and
Speaker 4: maybe it's because I'm getting older, but I just feel
Speaker 4: like I've got a lot of inflammation and things that
Speaker 4: are hurting that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I used to play basketball and I used to be
Speaker 4: able to run, and dude, I don't even remember the
Speaker 4: last time that I full sprinted, you know me neither.
Speaker 4: I mean thought it was a UFO maybe you know,
Speaker 4: in the sky or something. I would you be taken off,
Speaker 4: But dude, yeah, I don't want to get to the
Speaker 4: point where I'm like, oh, that was the last time
Speaker 4: I ever ran, you know, and just never ran again.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You never remember. You never know that it's your last time,
Speaker 2: you know, right, Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I'll I'll
Speaker 2: keep you all up to date on that whole thing.
Speaker 2: I'm real big on trying to I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: as healthy as I possibly can. That's where like I'm
Speaker 2: I'm so far, like, yeah, what a slice of pizza
Speaker 2: sound awesome?
Speaker 4: Fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, you know, like I still would just
Speaker 2: the thought of it, you know, it sounds really good.
Speaker 2: But I put myself into the mental state, especially now
Speaker 2: that I've been on Keto for a little while. It's like,
Speaker 2: I know, I put myself in the mind of whenever
Speaker 2: I think about food that's not good for me, I
Speaker 2: put myself in the place of I already ate it
Speaker 2: and I feel like shit, and now I don't want
Speaker 2: now it makes me not want it now.
Speaker 4: I don't need to eat it again. Right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a good way to do it.
Speaker 2: Brit said, I feel so retarded when I run these days.
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about taking up running just to like help,
Speaker 2: you know, get in better shape too. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I mean even even walking, dude, I feel like I've
Speaker 4: heard it's really really good. My mom back in the day,
Speaker 4: I think she lost like fifty pounds or something. And
Speaker 4: all she would do is every night she would go
Speaker 4: for a like an hour walk. You know, dude, I
Speaker 4: remember your mom just moving around.
Speaker 2: Your mom lost a lot of weight by planking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was doing that like every day. I think,
Speaker 4: super good. And then of course and with her with
Speaker 4: her job. You know, she has a physical job. She's
Speaker 4: moving around and before she was a cashier, so she
Speaker 4: was kind of like stagging it, kind of just standing
Speaker 4: there all day. So yeah, she lost a lot of week.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ashton said, Bro, yesterday I ate six tacos
Speaker 2: during the Cult Live. You probably regretted that today. I
Speaker 2: would imagine, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or even an hour later. You know, who knows,
Speaker 4: depending on where you got the tacos. I guess you know,
Speaker 4: yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, before we talk about food anymore and
Speaker 2: make me want to break this keto, then when she's
Speaker 2: gonna get off of.
Speaker 4: Here, stay strong, dude.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we love you. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for hanging out with us tonight. It was a lot
Speaker 2: of fun. Lord Byron is always a banger and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: good times. So we'll see you on the flip side.
Speaker 1: Keeper, keep