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your support. I'm going to give you a quote here

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from Walter Kern. He is the editor of County Highway

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to Publication and the co host of America Week. His

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co host, Walter Kern's co host is Matt Tayebi for

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that podcast or YouTube show or whatever it is. Anyway,

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Walter Kern quote, the anti prayer refrain is a talking point.

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Clearly it is being recited verbatim all over the place.

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In that sense, it is itself a sort of a prayer,

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perhaps the worst one ever. It should be noted also

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here that Jesus was praying as he was killed, and

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he went on to have great influence. But I thought

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this was very interesting in that it's a mantra that

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the democrats and media. But I repeat myself, have been

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using after school shootings. It's a slogan, but they say

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it so many times that it is sort of a prayer.

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Your thoughts and prayers don't mean anything. Thoughts and prayers

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are not enough, And what that is meant to do

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is to deflect the conversation and to accuse their political

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enemies of not doing what they want done. And so

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they have adopted this mantra, this prayer. As you hear

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from Jen Pisaki, she of the Circling Back fame former

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press secretary, she went on to the Twitter machine in

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the wake of the school shooting up in Minneapolis and

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she said, quote, prayer is not freaking enough. Prayers does

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not end school shootings. Prayers do not make parents feel

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safe sending their kids to school. Prayer does not bring

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these kids back enough with the thoughts and prayers. No, no,

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I'm not going to listen to Jen Pisaki. I'm not

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going to adhere to her demand that I stop thinking

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about or praying for the families that were involved in

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this horror. And by the way, not for nothing, the

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families have asked for prayers and are grateful for those prayers.

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Here a statement from Annunciation Catholic Schools Church in Minneapolis,

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signed by the school principal, Matthew de Boor and the

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church's pastor, Father Dennis Zerin. We are navigating an impossible

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situation together at this time. No words can capture what

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we have gone through, what we are going through, and

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what we will go through in the coming days and weeks,

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but we will navigate this together. Tragically, we lost two

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of our beloved students before the scene was secured a

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number of other children and parishioners were wounded, and they

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are being treated at area hospitals. Some have been treated

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and released. All staff are physically safe and accounted for.

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Please lift up these families and these children in prayer

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and surround them and each other with your love during

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this cold time, in this time of darkness, let us

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commit to being the light to our children, each other,

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and our community. We will rebuild our future filled with

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hope together. So they appreciate the prayers. They're asking for prayers.

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This is what Christians do. They believe in prayer. Do

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they believe prayer is going to stop the bullets like

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Neo in the documentary The Matrix. No, they don't believe

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that prayer is going to stop all of the bullets

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from flying. Maybe it might work at some point, like

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I can't believe I survived that, you know, it's a

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miracle like that sort of thing. Maybe, But most Christians

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don't say prayers for particularly other people after a tragedy

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like this. They don't say prayers in order to like

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go back in time change the terrible thing. It's a

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prayer for comfort, it's a prayer for strength, for peace.

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It's to show the other human being that you feel

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for them and that you hope that they feel better soon,

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not that they forget, not that the pain goes away,

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but that you can go on living, that your life

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doesn't end now as well. And honestly, how dare you

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tell anybody that they can't say prayers, they can't think

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about the victims' families. How dare you? Here's Guy Benson,

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he was on Fox News last night. I believe he

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had a great response to all of this.

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Speaker 2: And in the face of senselessness and despair, prayer and

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the presence of God can be a source of strength

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and comfort when little else is available. And the thing is,

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I understand that some people blow on the left think

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that thoughts and prayers are not enough. But I don't

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know anyone across the spectrum who's making that argument, right.

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Who's saying thoughts prayers and that's it? Nobody, no one,

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It's thoughts, prayers and action. The difference is we don't

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necessarily agree on what the actions ought to be, what

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would be constitutional, what would work. If we're talking about

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gun control, for having uncomfortable conversations about the trans community,

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whatever it might be, there will be divisiveness, there will

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be disagreement. Politics will come in to play fine. I

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understand that's part of what we do in a free society,

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but the starting point could be should be prayers and

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denigrating or demeaning that in any way I think is

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just so counterproductive and deeply off putting to most Americans.

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Speaker 1: Correct, absolutely correct. That's why I call it a deflection.

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The Democrats are attempting in the media, butter it be myself.

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They are attempting to deflect away from the underlying ideology

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that was obvious and spelled out literally with all of

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their leftist talking points on full display in the shooter's manifesto,

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journals and videos that he posted was all laid bare,

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and so there's this deflection, and so they are projecting

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out this posture of do something, and you let this

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happen because you won't do what I want done, And

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so they are trying to use this emotional appeal at

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an emotional time to advance an agenda. And it's grotesque

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because Benson's exactly right the action part what you're demanding,

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and you're saying, we need to skip over the thoughts

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and prayers portion, but go right to the action. And

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by the way, not have any debate on the action.

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Just do what you want them to do. But we

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don't agree on the actions because there was a whole

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there's a whole bunch of stuff that could be done,

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but you don't want to do what we want done,

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and we don't want to do what you want done. See,

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and so where do we go? What do we do?

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Tulci Gabbard responded to Posaki. She said, those who criticized

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like Pisaki and the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Free or

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Frey or Fry or whatever his name is, who criticized

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prayers in the wake of the Minneapolis tragedy, are expressing

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the same anti God sentiment that motivated the shooter. He

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aimed his wrath at God by trying to stop people

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with his bullets from praying to God. Now is the

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time for us to come together and join hands in

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prayer for the children who were killed, they're loved ones,

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and those who survived this horrific shooting. There's a reason

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people target children, right, They're innocent.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's the thing that hurts God the most, and that's

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what they're trying to destroy. So, yes, evil exists, all right.

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Here's a message from Mammituded. I didn't make the name.

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Very interested in what the parents had to do with

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his mental health. Since the evident shows that a parent

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aided in his underage name change. I hope that is explored,

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but we probably won't hear much about that angle at all.

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Didn't his mom work at the school she did? Was

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it a cry for help towards her? Just speculating I

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don't know she did. She did work at the school.

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I think she was a secretary at the school that

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the shooter attacked. He attended that school, graduating to K

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through eight school. So he graduated from that school and

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then went on to public high school. And she signed

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off on the request with the state to legally change

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his name as part of a transition, which he then

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in his journals and his YouTube videos, he talks about

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that he regretted that and he doesn't want to doesn't

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want to be a girl, and he said he felt brainwashed.

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The response from Democrats is expected, although they are almost

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gleefully piggybacking onto the fact that the kids who were

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murdered and attacked were praying in a church, and so

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they're using this as some sort of a marketing hook

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for their line of thoughts and prayers are not enough,

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which they've been saying after school shootings and mass shootings.

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it's like, oh, get it, they were literally praying at

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the time. Enough with your thoughts and prayers. I mean,

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it's just it's antagonistic, it's unnecessarily antagonistic. They think this

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is a they think it's a good hook. That's what's

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really amazing about it. They think this is going to

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work somehow. Let me get Liz on here. Hello, Liz,

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welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. There's a lot going on in the media

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and the perspective of this, And as I've been listening

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to different reports across the last year and a half

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about all kinds of topics, obviously, I think that what's

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not happening in our culture is conversation. Right, Like, everybody's

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got their opinion, and their opinion is what they're standing on,

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and there's no conversation to evaluate the validity or the

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practicality or even if it makes sense. And I think

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if children, and I'm not necessarily children praying, but in

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school had more diverse conversations about life and choices and

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all that kind of thing, there being more permission to

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be wrong and evaluate your perspective and maybe change your mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So well, yeah, I mean, and here's the thing.

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You don't know your own position unless you know what

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your opponent's position is. And as far as like a

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debate or an argument, but to your point, you know,

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a conversation is more than just throwing out your talking point.

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I mean that's not a conversation, right, that's yes, that's pointless.

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Speaker 4: Like the mayor in Chicago or wherever, that the one

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guy and he's like, oh, I don't know if more cops,

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you know, he's not going to even address whether or

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not more police officers on their streets would be helpful.

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That clips from CNN that Joe Fella. It's like, no, well,

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you're not going to talk about it, so we're just

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going to pretend like not talking about it is the answer, right,

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And so that puts politicians in a like right now,

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it seems to me like they all are in their

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position and they can't move off their position to look

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bad or be wrong, and so we've got the same

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Speaker 1: And well, yeah, so I think this is why I

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am encouraged by the rise of the digital media content

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because if you want to hear actual conversations with between

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people that disagree on stuff, you know, you can go

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to YouTube and see so you can find all sorts

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of actual discussions and debates and conversations about important subjects

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and controversial subjects. It's a good thing that's not happening

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on your mainstream legacy media channels, Liz, I do appreciate

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the call. Have a great weekend. Yeah, take care. No,

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it's a great point. Well, I'll tell a story when

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I come back. I'll tell a story about a conversation

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I had that people didn't want me to have. Okay,

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all right, you hear me talk a lot about incentives, right, Well,

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let's talk about incentive trips, the kind that companies offer

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employees to fire them up and reward their teams. If

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these incentive trips, first off, good for you, but also

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there is a custom app that's a game changer for

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these trips. It's called Incentive Tripkit. Private group messaging, shared photos,

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your itinerary, travel details, all built into a single, easy

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and when the trip is over, Incentive trip Kit turns

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those highlights into a professional storytelling video. So think about it.

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Visit incentive tripkit dot com because great trips deserve even

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better returns. Before the break, I mentioned a conversation that

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people didn't want me to have. I will protect all

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names and relationships to protect the innocent, but let's just

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say there was a young person that is in college

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now and is on the left, and her parents are

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liberals as well, and any time any kind of political

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topic would come up, there's the parents would always kind

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of like, you know, shut it down. We're not talking politics, no, no, no, whatever.

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So I can't ever have any conversation, and I don't

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ever prompt the conversations. I'm not the kind of person

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that when I'm out at an event or whatever. In

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you know, real life, I'm moving through the world, and

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I'm not the one that starts the conversations. But when

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people find out what I do, they want to talk

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with me about politics and philosophy, current events and stuff

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like that. Like it's like if your family member was

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a doctor, you know, like the doctor's not going to

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start talking about their procedures that they're they were doing,

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but you know, everybody else starts asking for diagnoses, you know,

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so it's sort of like that. Well, recently I was

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visiting and I had time with this with this young

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college student and we engaged in like an hour long

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conversation and there was some hovering from the parents to

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make sure it all went okay whatever, But it was

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just a conversation because she's not exposed to any alternative thoughts. Right,

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the fish doesn't know it's wet, and so she has

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the bumper sticker slogans committed to memory, right, that's been

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drilled into her, and so she just wants to say

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these things and she doesn't understand first of all, what

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they mean in totality, but also more importantly, doesn't understand

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what the counter argument is. And so I would just,

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you know, not argue with her, but have a conversation

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to the previous caller's point. And she's in college and

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that's the first time that she was able to engage

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in that kind of a conversation. She's surrounded by everybody

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that's come through the same K twelve system, and they

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are all agree. So I agree, I think there does

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need to be more conversations like that message from Russ,

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who says Sharon brought up an interview she saw with

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a Columbine teacher about prayer. He was challenged about prayer

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not saving lives that day, and he responded by saying

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it absolutely worked. The shooter's plan was to set off

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bombs and then pick off survivors as they came out

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to kill every single person in the school. He believed

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they failed because of prayer. Thoughts and prayers don't work

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quote unquote is connected to the whole fish doesn't know

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it's wet, as well as the unchallenged. Ideas are easy

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to hold. When people say that they it shows that

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they are in siloed circles amongst people who do not

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have a serious faith. They think everybody has the same

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skepticism or disdain for faith that they do, so they

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think it's a winning slogan. I think you're exactly right.

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So the Vice President JD. Vance says, it's shocking to me. Actually,

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hang on, yeah, I got time. It's shocking to me

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that left wing politicians attack the idea of prayer in

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response to a tragedy. Literally, no one thinks prayer is

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a substitute for action. We pray because our hearts are

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broken and we believe God is listening. Right, So the

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former Why House Press Secretary Jen Circle back Pisaki. She

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was on MSNBC as she is now regularly with her show,

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and she responds very emotionally here.

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Speaker 3: And all they should be hoping to do is have

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someone to sit with at lunch or someone to play

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with on the playground, and they should be waiting to

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hear an update when they get home. And that is

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not what these parents of the school experience today. Sorry,

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this is a tough one. Having her child killed while

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they are sitting in a pube for a morning prayer

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service is not what any parents should have to worry about.

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And I have felt a mixture of anger and a

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lot of anger and emotional exhaustion about this today is

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I'm sure many of you have, because we have been

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here so many times, so many times, and yet again,

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like clockwork, half of the politicians in our country have

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little more to offer than thoughts and prayers. That is

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all they are offering us. All join all of us

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in praying for the victims. Was Vice President Jannie Vance's

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response today. That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Please join me in praying for everyone involved, Trump wrote,

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we have seen this play out over and over again.

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There is a shooting, then come the thoughts and prayers,

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and then comes the attempt to shift the focus. This

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is what always happens. You're going to start seeing narratives.

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You're already seeing them. They're already out there about how

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the shooter was trans. You're going to see narratives about

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how the shooter appeared to be anti Trump and anti

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Semitic and clearly was in the midst of a mental

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health crisis, there's no question about that. But here's the thing.

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There are trans people all over the world. They're anti

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Semitic people, unfortunately, all over the world, and people filled

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with plenty of political hate all over the world. And

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mental health issues are not unique to the United States,

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and yes, we should do more to address them, but

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it's also an issue all over the world. But this

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is the only country where shootings like this this would

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happened this often. The United States not only has the

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highest rate of gun violence of any country in the world,

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it's become a leading cause of death for young people

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and teen in this country. That should make everybody angry.

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Weaponizing the shooter's identity is meant to distract from what matters.

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That is what they are doing, trying to distract from

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what matters. Here's what matters today' shooter bought the rifle, handgun,

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and shotgun they used to do what they did today. Legally,

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we live in a country with more guns than people,

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where there are not universal background checks, they're not bands

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on assault weapons, and it is far too easy to

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buy a gun. It's the guns everyone, It's not really

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a secret.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So much wrong with her stayment. There so much

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wrong this stat that the left has been using about

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the leading cause of death among children. I've broken this

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fake data down repeatedly since it came out. It has

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to do with the way the CDC collects the information

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and what they rule out, and what they rule in. Suicide,

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for example, is included in that number. Also, eighteen year olds,

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nineteen year olds are included in that number, and the

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vast majority of it is gang violence. That's most of

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it gang violence. But they use this kind of a shooting,

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which is super rare, in order to advance what gun confiscation.

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That's what they want. Which again, if this is what

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you want, then you have to do two things. Number one,

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you need to propose a constitutional amendment to repeal the

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Second Amendment. That's first, because that's the law. So there

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is a way to amend that, and you should go

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ahead and start that process. Number one. Number two, you

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need to tell me how you're going to get all

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the guns, not most, not some, all of them. How

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are you going to get them all? Are you going

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to go kick indoors and take people's firearms? Because you

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know what happens when you try to do that. Those

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people that you're kicking the door in on they've got guns.

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That's why you're there. They want their guns. They believe

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it's their god given right to protect themselves from the

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kinds of people that are kicking in their doors to

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take their weapons. You're gonna have a whole lot more

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gun deaths, a whole lot more, if not an outright

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civil war. So i'd like to hear your plan. Two things.

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play another SoundBite. Do do do you do?

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Speaker 3: Do you? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, so I gotta scroll back up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: This is from ATO three, anonymous area code ATO three.

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I don't like that we are retreating into our schools

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with lock doors and cops. That's what the losing side

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does in a battle or war. All of these shooters,

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that's not necessarily true. All of these shooters are known

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to have mental issues before they kill. Their parents should

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be held responsible. This is from Tennessee in number The

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answer is for people to get closer to God, to

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our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, to be in the

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Word and to pray, and to follow the Lord's command

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to love each other in the same way that he

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loves us. Steve from Charlotte, Evil is anything aside from

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Christ's sacrifice, don says Pete. No one who believes in

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God believe that thoughts and prayers are going to fix

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the problem. I do propose, however, a different type of prayer,

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and that's the prayer that the people that are mentally

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ill are healed, and that would do more than any

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other amount of gun control. That could exist. Perhaps that's

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what the Democrats could be talking about, is praying for

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those that have the hatred. Those mocking God's children are

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hea then spawn in need of prayer, says Bob john

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from Jersey says. The people who disdain prayer publicly are

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just evangelical atheists who are every bit as tedious as

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religious zelots. South Carolina Number says there is no gun crisis.

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There is a crazy people walking around freely problem and

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pet these these people who are mocking prayer and don't

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believe in it or completely without hope in this world

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or what comes next. Universal background checks is an insidious

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buzz term aka backdoor registration. Nobody's a bigger fan of

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gun confiscation than the cartels. If guns are banned, the

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cartels will become the world's largest arms dealers. It will

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more than replace the profits they lost when POTT was

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legalized in half of America. All right, so let me

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play for you. This is Caroline Levitt, the White House

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Press secretary, responding to jen Psaki's comments.

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Speaker 2: I have two questions for you.

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Speaker 4: Are Democrats, including former White House presh Sary Jenzaki and

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Minneapolis Jacob Ray attacked Prairie pushed to gun control in

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the aftermath of yesterday's shooting. What's the White House's response

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to their comments.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I saw the comments of my predecessor, Miss Saki,

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and frankly, I think they're incredibly insensitive and disrespectful to

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the tens of millions of Americans of faith across this

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country who believe in the power of prayer, who believe

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that prayer works, and who believe that in a time

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of morning like this, when beautiful young children were killed

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while praying in a church, it's utterly disrespectful to deride

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the power of prayer in this country, and it's disrespectful

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to the millions of Americans of faith. And I would

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encourage Miss Saki to pray for these families themselves, who

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need it right now more than ever, and who.

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Speaker 1: Have asked for them. They've asked for prayer. There is

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a writer at Newsweek bought to ya Ungar Sargon, and

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she was on Chris Cuomo's show. Yes, he has a

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show on news Nation, and I thought she nails this perfectly.

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Speaker 6: I think it's really important for people to understand why

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people on the right got so upset by the Democrats response.

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What happened was a person who seems to be a

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trans person murdered praying Catholics, and the Democrat's response was

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to rush to attack prayer and then defend the trans community.

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So there was a reversal of the victim and the perpetrator, which,

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by the way, was exactly what the shooter had written

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on his guns. He wrote where is your God? And

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that was what a lot of people on the right

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heard when Democrat after Democrat after democrat came out and

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said prayers are not enough. Those children were literally praying.

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They associated the victims of this horrific act with their

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political enemies and ran to the defense of who they

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thought the killer was and the community they believed he

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came from, so much so that they wouldn't even identify

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him as trans because they didn't want to besmirch what

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they view as a protected category. And this is unbelievably

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hurtful and offensive and pathological Chris, especially in a moment

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when a community is mourning.

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Speaker 1: Bingo, she mentioned reverse victim and defender. That's the RVO

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in the acronym darvo. You hear me talk about it often.

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This is what narcissists use. Psychopaths sociopaths. They use this

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as well as empathy. They use your empathy against you

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to get what they want. They don't have empathy, they

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cannot feel it. Use yours though, because that's what they do,

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so darvo it's a manipulation tactic. It stands for deny attack,

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reverse victim and offender. So when you are the perpetrator

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of an abuse, sometimes institutions do this as well. You

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use this pattern to shift blame, to avoid responsibility for

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your own actions, and then to try to discredit the victim.

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So the abuser first denies what they did, then they

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will attack the person who is holding them accountable, and

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then finally reverse the roles by portraying themselves as the

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true victim and the original victim as the offender, reverse

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victim and offender. Darvo I talked about this also with

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the situation in Gaza. It's the same thing. This is

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the same. Once you see this pattern, you can spot it,

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immediately deny, attack, and then reverse victim and offender. Another

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way to look at it is every accusation is a confession, right,

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It's another way to look at it. When Jensaki is

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up there saying that the Republicans half of the political

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leadership that they're all trying to distract away from the

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gun issue. Again. All Republicans are happy to have the

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gun controlled debate. You know why because they are actually

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skilled at that debate because they've been having it for

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so long in trying to push back on all your

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efforts to take the guns. They're happy to have the debate.

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They just don't want to agree with your proposed solutions

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because they disagree. All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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