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<v Speaker 3>Fifty five KRC Deep Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight twenty eight fifty five kr C the talk station.

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<v Speaker 2>AM very happy Friday to you. Have you been looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to this all morning? Please to welcome to a

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five karossee morning show. And I fin went through

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<v Speaker 2>his CV. We would spend the entire balance of the

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five Carssey Morning Shore going through. It's an impressive one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Francis Rooney. Briefly though, he's a former US Member

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<v Speaker 2>of the House Representatives, US Ambassador to the Holy See,

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<v Speaker 2>so working there at the Vatican. Represented Florida's nineteenth Congressional

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<v Speaker 2>District in the House of Representative between twenty seventeen and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. Between two thousand and five and two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight, he served as US Ambassador to the

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<v Speaker 2>Holy Sea, appointed by George W.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush.

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<v Speaker 2>And he actually wrote a book about diplomacy at the

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<v Speaker 2>US Holy See relationship with the title The Global Vatican.

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<v Speaker 2>Been on a ton of private boards, advisory councils, He's

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<v Speaker 2>written gobs and gobs of articles. Again, I have to

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<v Speaker 2>spend a long time going through that also. Fellow lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>graduated from Georgetown University at Georgetown University College of Law.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the fifty five Kosey Morning Show France.

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<v Speaker 1>This Rooney. It's a pleasure to have you on today.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me on and take you four days

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<v Speaker 1>to read your resume. My friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I gotta ask you out of the gate I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know anything about being an ambassador before we get

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<v Speaker 2>to Donald Trump's foreign policy, which is what we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about this morning, at least as a primary topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Ambassador to the Holy See, the Vatican the entity that

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<v Speaker 2>runs the Roman Catholic Church, but also enjoys basically diplomatic

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<v Speaker 2>status along the lines of any other country. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I think about the current Pope, and he's a rather

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<v Speaker 2>outspoken individual, maybe we can tie this into foreign policy

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<v Speaker 2>to some degree, But he keeps telling the United States

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<v Speaker 2>to welcome all of these illegal immigrants flowing into our country. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're the ambassador to the Holy See, is that

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<v Speaker 2>something that you would have a conversation with him or

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<v Speaker 2>them about their policy position about what we are doing

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<v Speaker 2>and what they should or should not be saying about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, for sure, I'd be taking it up with the

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<v Speaker 5>the Secretary of State of the Holy See.

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<v Speaker 4>But I did the same.

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<v Speaker 5>I did the same where I was over there about

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<v Speaker 5>Iraq and the the CIA renditions, you know, and that

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<v Speaker 5>we have a disagreement with you. That's what diplomat is

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<v Speaker 5>all about, is is fine, you know, airing disagreements in

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<v Speaker 5>a civilized manner and seeing where you can come to

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<v Speaker 5>some kind of consensus on the discussion.

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<v Speaker 4>And the outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Because you know, if I was in that role,

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<v Speaker 2>I would you know, I can be rather short with

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<v Speaker 2>my words and clear in my convictions. I'd be like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>a second Vatican isn't wide open to all people in

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<v Speaker 2>all mankind flowing in and out of the general area.

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<v Speaker 2>You would you've got gates, you've got locked, you won't

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<v Speaker 2>let people in. How about sharing your space if you

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<v Speaker 2>think it's the right thing for America to do. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of retort that I would want to launch.

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<v Speaker 4>This, this, this would be.

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<v Speaker 5>I was very fortunate to be over there with Pope Benedict,

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<v Speaker 5>very clear eyed German, very pro United States, really loved

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<v Speaker 5>the First Amendment and what it had brought in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of freedom of expression and religion. And this guy is

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<v Speaker 5>he's your basic Latin American liberation theologist who will never

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<v Speaker 5>think the developed world is doing an effort for the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I got to be honest with you and

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead the.

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<v Speaker 4>Late to foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I did write it out bed against the

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<v Speaker 5>Pope when he came out and said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in some ways, Putin is right that the expansion of

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<v Speaker 5>NATO made him feel insecure and in some ways justifies

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<v Speaker 5>what he did. I thought that was ridiculous thing I've

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<v Speaker 5>ever heard of.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife, It's ridiculous. He's the Vatican is in a NATO.

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<v Speaker 4>Country, right, and they're lucky to be there too.

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<v Speaker 5>Believe me, most people in the Vatican are really glad

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<v Speaker 5>about that, just I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, that allows me to pivot over to Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's policy relatively Ukraine and Russia. Donald Trump has been

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<v Speaker 2>he was get elected, he was going to solve the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>He was going to negoti she had some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>settlement Russia right now, at least is by by my understanding,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least the appearance, they have the upper hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine keeps losing soldiers, they can't replenish the lines, they

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<v Speaker 2>keep getting eliminated, and Russia keeps making more and more

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<v Speaker 2>advances into Ukraine. And with that in mind, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you see Donald Trump resolving or having some role in

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<v Speaker 2>resolving the war there.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think you're absolutely right. It's a war of

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<v Speaker 5>attrition kind of the Civil War in the United states.

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<v Speaker 5>The country with the most resources ultimately will probably win.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's starting to play out. I mean, the Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 5>beat them for a year and a half and now

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<v Speaker 5>Russia's beating them for and hopefully Trump can deliver what

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<v Speaker 5>he talked about on the campaign trail is that he

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<v Speaker 5>is going to work with Putin and Europe to come

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<v Speaker 5>to some kind of solution whereby they'll probably keep. We're

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<v Speaker 5>not going to get them out of Croatia. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I have CRIMEA. You can forget that. So we try

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<v Speaker 5>to come up with a solution that's more like a

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<v Speaker 5>North and South Korea deal. Maybe even we get the

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<v Speaker 5>European countries to police the border for US.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think NATO should be doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair enough, and I'll agree with you on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I find it curious and maybe you can

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<v Speaker 2>solve us, you know, answer my question or my curiosity

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<v Speaker 2>on this, Francis Roney. We under Nixon administration, we open

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<v Speaker 2>up trade relations with the China. With the Chinese Chinese,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously communist party then since the revolution they

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<v Speaker 2>were and then communists, and of course we had Mao's

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<v Speaker 2>Little Red Book that we can all read. The extent

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<v Speaker 2>you have any doubt about that. But we normalize trade

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<v Speaker 2>relations with China, and I think much to our regret now,

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<v Speaker 2>since China literally manufactures all these things that we rely on.

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<v Speaker 2>How it is it that after the fall of the

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<v Speaker 2>Berlin Wall and the fall of the Soviet Union we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't come to some more perhaps I can use the

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<v Speaker 2>word beneficial relationship with them, that we didn't seek to

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<v Speaker 2>become trading partners with the former Soviet Union and try

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<v Speaker 2>to shape and develop the direction that Russia has gone

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<v Speaker 2>since then.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean some of ways we did.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean remember when Kendall, the don Kendall, the CEO PepsiCo,

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<v Speaker 5>went over and open PepsiCo and Russia and McDonald's went

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<v Speaker 4>The Nixon administration.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we certainly didn't develop a trade link like when

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<v Speaker 5>we just turned over the keys of China and said, God,

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<v Speaker 5>make everything and take advantage of us.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess the demonization. I feel like we're in

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<v Speaker 2>a second Cold War now, the way the Democrats go

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<v Speaker 2>on about needing to fund Ukraine in order to fight

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<v Speaker 2>the evil Vladimir Putin and oh my god, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to invade all the NATO countries, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, which seems I mean, if it's taken him

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<v Speaker 2>this long to deal with Ukraine, I really doubt they

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<v Speaker 2>have designs on any of the NATO countries. It will be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, an insurmountable hurdle for them. But that this

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<v Speaker 2>this demonization of Putin and the Russians generally speaking, not

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm a b apologist, but just has so reminiscent

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<v Speaker 2>of the Cold War. I just wonder why they are

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<v Speaker 2>embracing that concept.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it's kind of brought it's kind of brought

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<v Speaker 5>out a very militant train among the liberals. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's it's without rational rationality because even though Putin's

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<v Speaker 5>written clearly that he wants to take back all the

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<v Speaker 5>former Iron Curtain countries, I agree with you, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think he can do it. And if we can get

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<v Speaker 5>somehow a European force stationed in the Ukraine, that's going

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<v Speaker 5>to make it that much more difficult for him to

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<v Speaker 5>do it, because like it or not, he's got of

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<v Speaker 5>lived with Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Former Ambassador of the Holy See and member of House

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<v Speaker 2>of Representative for instance, running my guest today now pivoting

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<v Speaker 2>over to Trump's foreign policy, A lot of it has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with tariffs. He's been threatening tarriffs, promising tariffs,

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<v Speaker 2>and in fact, it looks like some of them are

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<v Speaker 2>going to go into effects soon. Do you think he

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<v Speaker 2>can accomplish his goals relative to any given country that

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<v Speaker 2>he hopes to tariff without harming the American public because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pick an economists. Some of them are thinking

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be a problem, but many of

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<v Speaker 2>them say, well, you know, tariffs are going to make

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<v Speaker 2>everything more expensive here in the United States. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you see this playing out, Francis.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, he's threatened a lot more tariffs in his first

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<v Speaker 5>term than he ever put on, and then once they

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<v Speaker 5>put on some, they made a lot of exceptions. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's I think a lot of it as a negotiating posture.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he definitely effectively used tariff threats to get

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<v Speaker 5>AMLO to do what we need to done in Mexico

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<v Speaker 5>concerning immigrants, and I think he's going to do the

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<v Speaker 5>same thing with Shinbaum and the rest of Latin America.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are positive developments. You know, he made Columbia take

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<v Speaker 5>the immigrants back because of the threat of tariffs. But

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<v Speaker 5>when you get to broad based tariffs on European and China,

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<v Speaker 5>it will make our costs go up and it could

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<v Speaker 5>be inflationary.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a gamble for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I suppose that is correct. How can you deny it?

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<v Speaker 2>And in so far as China is concerned, obviously, if

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<v Speaker 2>there is an existential threat to our company country coming

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<v Speaker 2>from some particular company, obviously our country would obviously be China,

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to say an Iran or a North Korea.

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<v Speaker 2>But China obviously a very powerful and growing military force

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<v Speaker 2>and designs on literally everything in the South China see,

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<v Speaker 2>including that pesky situation with Taiwan. What are we going

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<v Speaker 2>to do about that? Do you anticipate China actually invading Taiwan?

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<v Speaker 2>How is Trump going to approach China so far as

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with that concern that that.

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<v Speaker 1>Adversary.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there are a lot of real negative threads here.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I'm not sure that the American people would

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<v Speaker 5>defend Taiwan right after all the Bush Wars. I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>sure that our military can do that much anyway. We

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<v Speaker 5>have a lot of ships that are in such bad

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<v Speaker 5>repair they can't stay very long we haven't built any

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<v Speaker 5>ships in years AEI. The American Enterprises too, did a

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<v Speaker 5>study a few years ago that about twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 5>of the military budget does not pertain to military readiness.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're more of an employment factory than we

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<v Speaker 5>are fighting force.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem, it really really is.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course our as you point out, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just pains me to think about the readiness of our navy. Notably,

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't built new ships in such a long long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think hag Zeth is going to have any

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<v Speaker 2>inroads in that and creating a more effective fighting force.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, but yeah, we spend over half of

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<v Speaker 5>what the entire world spins on defense.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't build a ship.

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<v Speaker 5>China spins about a third of what we do. They

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<v Speaker 5>seem to be building ships.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to put an exclamation point on that statement.

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<v Speaker 2>Francis Rooney, A real pleasure having you on the fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five Cars Morning Show today. Maybe we can tap into

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<v Speaker 2>your resources down the road at some point. But appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>the insights and thoughtful comments this morning, and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you have a wonderful weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Sir you too, thank you very much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>My pleasure, my distinct pleasure, Francis Rooney, it's a thirty

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