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Speaker 2: AM very happy Friday to you. Have you been looking
Speaker 2: forward to this all morning? Please to welcome to a
Speaker 2: fifty five karossee morning show. And I fin went through
Speaker 2: his CV. We would spend the entire balance of the
Speaker 2: fifty five Carssey Morning Shore going through. It's an impressive one.
Speaker 2: It's Francis Rooney. Briefly though, he's a former US Member
Speaker 2: of the House Representatives, US Ambassador to the Holy See,
Speaker 2: so working there at the Vatican. Represented Florida's nineteenth Congressional
Speaker 2: District in the House of Representative between twenty seventeen and
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Between two thousand and five and two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, he served as US Ambassador to the
Speaker 2: Holy Sea, appointed by George W.
Speaker 1: Bush.
Speaker 2: And he actually wrote a book about diplomacy at the
Speaker 2: US Holy See relationship with the title The Global Vatican.
Speaker 2: Been on a ton of private boards, advisory councils, He's
Speaker 2: written gobs and gobs of articles. Again, I have to
Speaker 2: spend a long time going through that also. Fellow lawyer
Speaker 2: graduated from Georgetown University at Georgetown University College of Law.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the fifty five Kosey Morning Show France.
Speaker 1: This Rooney. It's a pleasure to have you on today.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on and take you four days
Speaker 1: to read your resume. My friend.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I gotta ask you out of the gate I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about being an ambassador before we get
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump's foreign policy, which is what we're gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about this morning, at least as a primary topic.
Speaker 2: Ambassador to the Holy See, the Vatican the entity that
Speaker 2: runs the Roman Catholic Church, but also enjoys basically diplomatic
Speaker 2: status along the lines of any other country. So when
Speaker 2: I think about the current Pope, and he's a rather
Speaker 2: outspoken individual, maybe we can tie this into foreign policy
Speaker 2: to some degree, But he keeps telling the United States
Speaker 2: to welcome all of these illegal immigrants flowing into our country. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're the ambassador to the Holy See, is that
Speaker 2: something that you would have a conversation with him or
Speaker 2: them about their policy position about what we are doing
Speaker 2: and what they should or should not be saying about it.
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, I'd be taking it up with the
Speaker 5: the Secretary of State of the Holy See.
Speaker 4: But I did the same.
Speaker 5: I did the same where I was over there about
Speaker 5: Iraq and the the CIA renditions, you know, and that
Speaker 5: we have a disagreement with you. That's what diplomat is
Speaker 5: all about, is is fine, you know, airing disagreements in
Speaker 5: a civilized manner and seeing where you can come to
Speaker 5: some kind of consensus on the discussion.
Speaker 4: And the outcome.
Speaker 2: Okay, Because you know, if I was in that role,
Speaker 2: I would you know, I can be rather short with
Speaker 2: my words and clear in my convictions. I'd be like, wait,
Speaker 2: a second Vatican isn't wide open to all people in
Speaker 2: all mankind flowing in and out of the general area.
Speaker 2: You would you've got gates, you've got locked, you won't
Speaker 2: let people in. How about sharing your space if you
Speaker 2: think it's the right thing for America to do. You know,
Speaker 2: that's the kind of retort that I would want to launch.
Speaker 4: This, this, this would be.
Speaker 5: I was very fortunate to be over there with Pope Benedict,
Speaker 5: very clear eyed German, very pro United States, really loved
Speaker 5: the First Amendment and what it had brought in terms
Speaker 5: of freedom of expression and religion. And this guy is
Speaker 5: he's your basic Latin American liberation theologist who will never
Speaker 5: think the developed world is doing an effort for the
Speaker 5: list developed world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I got to be honest with you and
Speaker 1: go ahead the.
Speaker 4: Late to foreign policy.
Speaker 5: I mean I did write it out bed against the
Speaker 5: Pope when he came out and said, well, you know,
Speaker 5: in some ways, Putin is right that the expansion of
Speaker 5: NATO made him feel insecure and in some ways justifies
Speaker 5: what he did. I thought that was ridiculous thing I've
Speaker 5: ever heard of.
Speaker 1: My wife, It's ridiculous. He's the Vatican is in a NATO.
Speaker 4: Country, right, and they're lucky to be there too.
Speaker 5: Believe me, most people in the Vatican are really glad
Speaker 5: about that, just I know.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, that allows me to pivot over to Donald
Speaker 2: Trump's policy relatively Ukraine and Russia. Donald Trump has been
Speaker 2: saying since he was on the campaign trail that once
Speaker 2: he was get elected, he was going to solve the problem.
Speaker 2: He was going to negoti she had some sort of
Speaker 2: settlement Russia right now, at least is by by my understanding,
Speaker 2: or at least the appearance, they have the upper hand.
Speaker 2: Ukraine keeps losing soldiers, they can't replenish the lines, they
Speaker 2: keep getting eliminated, and Russia keeps making more and more
Speaker 2: advances into Ukraine. And with that in mind, how do
Speaker 2: you see Donald Trump resolving or having some role in
Speaker 2: resolving the war there.
Speaker 5: Well, I think you're absolutely right. It's a war of
Speaker 5: attrition kind of the Civil War in the United states.
Speaker 5: The country with the most resources ultimately will probably win.
Speaker 5: And that's starting to play out. I mean, the Ukrainians
Speaker 5: beat them for a year and a half and now
Speaker 5: Russia's beating them for and hopefully Trump can deliver what
Speaker 5: he talked about on the campaign trail is that he
Speaker 5: is going to work with Putin and Europe to come
Speaker 5: to some kind of solution whereby they'll probably keep. We're
Speaker 5: not going to get them out of Croatia. I mean,
Speaker 5: I have CRIMEA. You can forget that. So we try
Speaker 5: to come up with a solution that's more like a
Speaker 5: North and South Korea deal. Maybe even we get the
Speaker 5: European countries to police the border for US.
Speaker 4: I don't think NATO should be doing it.
Speaker 2: That's fair enough, and I'll agree with you on that.
Speaker 2: I guess I find it curious and maybe you can
Speaker 2: solve us, you know, answer my question or my curiosity
Speaker 2: on this, Francis Roney. We under Nixon administration, we open
Speaker 2: up trade relations with the China. With the Chinese Chinese,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously communist party then since the revolution they
Speaker 2: were and then communists, and of course we had Mao's
Speaker 2: Little Red Book that we can all read. The extent
Speaker 2: you have any doubt about that. But we normalize trade
Speaker 2: relations with China, and I think much to our regret now,
Speaker 2: since China literally manufactures all these things that we rely on.
Speaker 2: How it is it that after the fall of the
Speaker 2: Berlin Wall and the fall of the Soviet Union we
Speaker 2: didn't come to some more perhaps I can use the
Speaker 2: word beneficial relationship with them, that we didn't seek to
Speaker 2: become trading partners with the former Soviet Union and try
Speaker 2: to shape and develop the direction that Russia has gone
Speaker 2: since then.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean some of ways we did.
Speaker 5: I mean remember when Kendall, the don Kendall, the CEO PepsiCo,
Speaker 5: went over and open PepsiCo and Russia and McDonald's went
Speaker 5: over there in the early thaw period during.
Speaker 4: The Nixon administration.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we certainly didn't develop a trade link like when
Speaker 5: we just turned over the keys of China and said, God,
Speaker 5: make everything and take advantage of us.
Speaker 2: But I guess the demonization. I feel like we're in
Speaker 2: a second Cold War now, the way the Democrats go
Speaker 2: on about needing to fund Ukraine in order to fight
Speaker 2: the evil Vladimir Putin and oh my god, it's gonna
Speaker 2: He's going to invade all the NATO countries, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera, which seems I mean, if it's taken him
Speaker 2: this long to deal with Ukraine, I really doubt they
Speaker 2: have designs on any of the NATO countries. It will be,
Speaker 2: you know, an insurmountable hurdle for them. But that this
Speaker 2: this demonization of Putin and the Russians generally speaking, not
Speaker 2: that I'm a b apologist, but just has so reminiscent
Speaker 2: of the Cold War. I just wonder why they are
Speaker 2: embracing that concept.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's kind of brought it's kind of brought
Speaker 5: out a very militant train among the liberals. Yes, and
Speaker 5: it's it's it's without rational rationality because even though Putin's
Speaker 5: written clearly that he wants to take back all the
Speaker 5: former Iron Curtain countries, I agree with you, I don't
Speaker 5: think he can do it. And if we can get
Speaker 5: somehow a European force stationed in the Ukraine, that's going
Speaker 5: to make it that much more difficult for him to
Speaker 5: do it, because like it or not, he's got of
Speaker 5: lived with Europe.
Speaker 2: Former Ambassador of the Holy See and member of House
Speaker 2: of Representative for instance, running my guest today now pivoting
Speaker 2: over to Trump's foreign policy, A lot of it has
Speaker 2: to do with tariffs. He's been threatening tarriffs, promising tariffs,
Speaker 2: and in fact, it looks like some of them are
Speaker 2: going to go into effects soon. Do you think he
Speaker 2: can accomplish his goals relative to any given country that
Speaker 2: he hopes to tariff without harming the American public because
Speaker 2: you know, pick an economists. Some of them are thinking
Speaker 2: it's not going to be a problem, but many of
Speaker 2: them say, well, you know, tariffs are going to make
Speaker 2: everything more expensive here in the United States. How do
Speaker 2: you see this playing out, Francis.
Speaker 5: Well, he's threatened a lot more tariffs in his first
Speaker 5: term than he ever put on, and then once they
Speaker 5: put on some, they made a lot of exceptions. So
Speaker 5: it's I think a lot of it as a negotiating posture.
Speaker 5: I mean, he definitely effectively used tariff threats to get
Speaker 5: AMLO to do what we need to done in Mexico
Speaker 5: concerning immigrants, and I think he's going to do the
Speaker 5: same thing with Shinbaum and the rest of Latin America.
Speaker 5: Those are positive developments. You know, he made Columbia take
Speaker 5: the immigrants back because of the threat of tariffs. But
Speaker 5: when you get to broad based tariffs on European and China,
Speaker 5: it will make our costs go up and it could
Speaker 5: be inflationary.
Speaker 4: It's a gamble for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose that is correct. How can you deny it?
Speaker 2: And in so far as China is concerned, obviously, if
Speaker 2: there is an existential threat to our company country coming
Speaker 2: from some particular company, obviously our country would obviously be China,
Speaker 2: as opposed to say an Iran or a North Korea.
Speaker 2: But China obviously a very powerful and growing military force
Speaker 2: and designs on literally everything in the South China see,
Speaker 2: including that pesky situation with Taiwan. What are we going
Speaker 2: to do about that? Do you anticipate China actually invading Taiwan?
Speaker 2: How is Trump going to approach China so far as
Speaker 2: dealing with that concern that that.
Speaker 1: Adversary.
Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of real negative threads here.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not sure that the American people would
Speaker 5: defend Taiwan right after all the Bush Wars. I'm not
Speaker 5: sure that our military can do that much anyway. We
Speaker 5: have a lot of ships that are in such bad
Speaker 5: repair they can't stay very long we haven't built any
Speaker 5: ships in years AEI. The American Enterprises too, did a
Speaker 5: study a few years ago that about twenty five percent
Speaker 5: of the military budget does not pertain to military readiness.
Speaker 5: I think we're more of an employment factory than we
Speaker 5: are fighting force.
Speaker 4: And that's a.
Speaker 1: Problem, it really really is.
Speaker 2: And of course our as you point out, and it
Speaker 2: just pains me to think about the readiness of our navy. Notably,
Speaker 2: we haven't built new ships in such a long long time.
Speaker 2: Do you think hag Zeth is going to have any
Speaker 2: inroads in that and creating a more effective fighting force.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but yeah, we spend over half of
Speaker 5: what the entire world spins on defense.
Speaker 4: We can't build a ship.
Speaker 5: China spins about a third of what we do. They
Speaker 5: seem to be building ships.
Speaker 2: We're going to put an exclamation point on that statement.
Speaker 2: Francis Rooney, A real pleasure having you on the fifty
Speaker 2: five Cars Morning Show today. Maybe we can tap into
Speaker 2: your resources down the road at some point. But appreciate
Speaker 2: the insights and thoughtful comments this morning, and I hope
Speaker 2: you have a wonderful weekend.
Speaker 4: Sir you too, thank you very much for having me on.
Speaker 2: My pleasure, my distinct pleasure, Francis Rooney, it's a thirty
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