WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:01.520 All right, let's get it. 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:04.519 Drive us on Monday afternoon, twelve minutes past the hour 3 00:00:04.599 --> 00:00:05.200 two o'clock. 4 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:07.440 It is cloudy, it is chilly, looks like we're gonna 5 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:08.000 get some rain. 6 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:10.439 It's gonna be a little bit of a rainy slash 7 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:14.039 snowy week as we have welcomed in the month of March, 8 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:15.880 but as it is every single day, it's going to 9 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:18.519 have you along for the ride. Spence Jackets beyond the Mike, 10 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:21.679 Porter Larson behind the glass today producing the program. 11 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:22.920 Happy Monday to you. 12 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:26.839 Hope you had a fantastic weekend, jam packed weekend in 13 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:28.199 the world of local. 14 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:29.679 And of course national sports. 15 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.280 We got a lot to do on this Monday afternoon 16 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:35.719 after a nice little springtime type week I should say, 17 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:38.640 weatherwise last week, little chilly, little colder this week, but 18 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:42.640 it is still early March, so hopefully had a fun weekend, 19 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:45.159 got outside, enjoyed. The weather is a nice sixty two 20 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:49.799 degree Sunday afternoon, and on the program today we will 21 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:52.159 review the weekend that was in the world of both 22 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:55.759 college and pro basketball. The IDEs of March is upon 23 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.640 us BYU continues to say hot the Utah Men were 24 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:00.679 able to get a win and the Utah women beat 25 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.600 BYU here in saul Lake be a half court. Heave 26 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:09.000 an incredible moments and now we are on too conference 27 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:11.120 tournament time. On the women's side, the Utes will be 28 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.159 the number six seed in the Big Twelve. BYU comes 29 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:18.000 in at number twelve. Big Twelve Tournament style. BYU is 30 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:22.920 able to beat West Virginia on Saturday night at the 31 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.560 Marriott Center. Now they've got a big game coming up 32 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:29.879 tomorrow in Ames against Iowa State. They win that game, 33 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:32.560 they'll probably get the one of the top four seeds 34 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.959 in the Big Twelve tournament, which leads to a double. 35 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:36.079 Buy into the quarter finals. 36 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:39.280 Final game of the regular season for both Utah and 37 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.079 BYU men's hoops will be against each other down in 38 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.319 Provo on March d eighth. University of Utah men, welcome 39 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:49.079 in West Virginia coming up tomorrow night. Head up, heading 40 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.359 up to the Huntsman Center and say thank you to 41 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.079 these young men who have had a very emotional couple 42 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:55.480 of weeks. 43 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:57.719 We'll get to the latest with the. 44 00:01:57.159 --> 00:01:59.760 Head coaching higher and the potential candidates and where we're 45 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.560 at now with the Utah men's basketball program. Good piece 46 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.439 up in the Salt Lake Tribune Jason Batakia, a couple 47 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.719 of good pieces on Utah men's hoops, doctor Gabe Madson 48 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.240 about how he found out the news that coach Coach 49 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:13.199 Smith had been let go. 50 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:16.479 Really cool piece on Ezrasar in his background, his. 51 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.280 Family and getting to know him a little bit better. 52 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.159 So go to sltrip dot com for all the latest. 53 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:25.120 Spring football is upon us down in Provo, not quite 54 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:29.319 yet here, but obviously college football topical right now, so 55 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.080 we'll get the latest college football storylines. We had a 56 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:34.479 bunch of local boys at the Combine show out. We'll 57 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:36.319 kind of give you an update in that direction. Some 58 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:39.240 NFL news. T Higgins has been franchised for a second 59 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:41.639 straight year, and we are high speed ahead to the 60 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:45.639 NFL Draft, So we'll get to all the latest as 61 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:47.840 far as the pro football and college football news. Right 62 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:51.800 I'll Salt Lake with a breath of I should say, 63 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:54.280 a sigh of relief for a fan base that was 64 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:56.599 a little bit nervous after a rough start. RSL was 65 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:59.560 able to win their home opener against Seattle at America 66 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:00.000 First Few. 67 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.000 We'll do a little soccer on the program today. 68 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:05.560 The Utah Hockey Club lost to the Devils are back 69 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.520 in action on Thursday against Detroit Points at a premium 70 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.240 as the Wildcards still a very legitimate possibility. So a 71 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:16.199 lot to do on the radio show today. Thanks for 72 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:17.599 being a part of it. We're going to start off 73 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:22.439 with Tom Havershrow NBA Daily Assist Style Jazz lost to 74 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.759 the Pelicans, Thank goodness over the weekend jazz. Welcome in 75 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:29.120 the red hot Detroit Pistons. When's the last time you 76 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:30.840 were able to say a sentence like the red hot 77 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.159 Detroit Pistons nineteen eighty eight? Not sure, but the Pistons 78 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.599 are in town. Old buddy Dennis Lindsay is part of 79 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.719 the Pistons front office. So Jazz in action tonight kind 80 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:41.319 of the only local product in action. 81 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:42.639 All the college hoops. 82 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:44.520 Will take place tomorrow, and then the Utahey Club out 83 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.240 off for a bit, so Tom Haberstrow our first guest. 84 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:47.960 Right out of the gates. 85 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:51.479 We'll do a little RSL with Donnie the Birthday Boy himself. 86 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:54.360 Brian Dunseeth rolls by, the Voice of the Utes. 87 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:56.360 Bill Riley is our guest in the four o'clock hour, 88 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:59.240 and then Sam Monson stops by do a little football 89 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.879 with Sam An entertaining fun guest excited to uh to 90 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:04.919 catch up with Sam today we'll do some NFL drafts, 91 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.680 some NFL combine and with Ryle's we'll do a little 92 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.639 utes football and some and some basketball of course, and 93 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.199 a busy, busy Monday show to get your week started 94 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:17.279 out the right way. Tom Habershow, Brian dun Seth, Bill Riley, 95 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:20.720 Sam Motson, Me, Spence Check. It's all of you, the 96 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:24.120 great listeners and that guy who, like me, did not 97 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:27.319 see any of the Oscar nominated movies. 98 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:29.040 Port I want oh for ten man? 99 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:29.439 Wow? 100 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.439 By the way, when did we start nominating ten I 101 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:34.480 call them films. It's not a big deal, right, When 102 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:37.120 did we start nominating ten films for this award? 103 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.079 I like to call them cinematic adventures? 104 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:39.199 Oh? 105 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.839 Nice one upper in there. I don't know about when 106 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.720 they or how much they nominate. I've never been like 107 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.720 an award show guy. We've we've we've talked about this, 108 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:51.199 but I expected you to see at least some of 109 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:53.639 those movies. It's it's kind of in my wheelhouse to 110 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.040 see them two years later once they arrive on streaming. 111 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.800 But no, I thought I thought you would. You'd be 112 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:01.720 all over it. Maybe we'll have to get our guy 113 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:03.639 Brady on the line. 114 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.439 The Movie Zone. Shout out to Brady. 115 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:08.480 No, I feel like the only people that have seen 116 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:10.639 more than like two or three of these films. 117 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.680 Again, let's keep it above board here. Thank you. Nominated 118 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:14.199 for the award. 119 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:16.600 Are people in miserable relationships they don't want to talk 120 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:18.279 to each other, so they just go to a movie. 121 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:20.480 If you're single, you're just you're not going to see 122 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:21.040 these movies. 123 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:23.120 You're like going and doing stuff where you're you know, 124 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:24.800 we racked up. 125 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.600 You don't feel like you need to escape from your life. Okay, 126 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:28.560 I'll just put it like that. 127 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.800 I think, you know, maybe not everybody's a who's a 128 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.480 movie buff, but there's probably something there. 129 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.160 No, I think most people it's like it's like Disney adults. 130 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:38.839 We'll get to it later on, but our first guest 131 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.920 is going to be Tom Haberstrow. But before we get 132 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.319 to Tom, courtesy if our good friends over at Prize 133 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.639 Picks on a Monday afternoon, it is Tom Now for 134 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:47.360 your opening tip. 135 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:50.240 Welcome to the Drive with Spence check its on Utah's 136 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.639 number one Sports Talk Now into the studios of ESPN 137 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:56.319 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. 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Where were you when you heard? What kind 171 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.920 of were your thoughts afterwards? And Gabe Mattson and some 172 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:32.680 others were interviewed, really cool piece on Ezra. Sorry, Ezra 173 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:35.920 was really good against the depleted Arizona State team that 174 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:39.839 essentially had five scholarship players and played six players. Even 175 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.279 Bobby Hurley's kid got eight minutes. I'm hearing a lot 176 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:48.079 of rumors and rumblings around the Arizona State men's basketball 177 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.040 program that they're going to get rid of Bobby Hurley, 178 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:52.279 you know, with what Kenny Dillingham has done on the 179 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:55.079 football side of things. Arizona State's like I've always believed, 180 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:57.120 kind of like a sleeping giant. They should be better 181 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.959 in both basketball and football consist only than they have been. 182 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:04.839 But a cool moment for the UT, says Brady Smith. 183 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:05.439 Got in the game. 184 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.800 Craig's son had an and one opportunity, and Brady's a 185 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:10.480 really good free throw shooter. So when I saw it, 186 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:12.160 I'm like, he's gonna knock down the free throw, but 187 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:14.079 unfortunately missed it. He had a big smile on his 188 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:16.120 face and it just kind of made you feel good, 189 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.879 right for a program that's been through a bunch. So 190 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:22.399 they were able to get a win against Arizona State. Obviously, 191 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.240 we're kind of waiting to hear, like I said, more 192 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:27.360 information on the situation with the head coaching job. I 193 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.959 was happy for that group, though, happy for coach Eiler, 194 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.720 Josh Eiler, to get a win. And now look the 195 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.919 IDEs of march in college basketball. It's taught all of 196 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:39.279 us that you never know what could happen. The program 197 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.039 is escaping me. But there was a coach last year 198 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:45.120 it was informed that he was going to lose his job, 199 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:47.960 and he went on to win his conference tournament and 200 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.600 went to the NCAA tournament. Right, So, look, I'm not 201 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:52.200 going to sit here and predict that Utah is going 202 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.559 to run through the Big twelve bracket. We've got West 203 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:57.320 Virginia here in Sala coming up tomorrow, the final home 204 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:59.360 opportunity for these young men to play in front of 205 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.840 fans of the Hunts. It was long beach date. Okay, 206 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.000 so the long beach date head coach was told he 207 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:08.000 was fired. They went on to win their conference tournament 208 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:09.919 then advanced the NCAA tournament. 209 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.919 Right, Yeah, Don Monson, I think the head coach. I 210 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:15.720 wonder how often that's happened. But we're in a space 211 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.399 where it's more of a possibility than I think probably 212 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:18.840 ever before. 213 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:20.480 Yeah, like I said, I'm not predicting it. 214 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.000 And part of me feels like that game at BYU 215 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.440 coming up on March the eighth could get really really 216 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.120 ugly because BYU is playing some really high quality basketball. 217 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:34.399 Right now, all of the signs and everything that I've 218 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.480 heard and the people I've talked to seem to indicate 219 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:40.720 that Alex Jensen is the top candidate and as I 220 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.159 was able to report last week based off of two 221 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.720 different sources, Alex is in the final year of his 222 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:49.519 contract as the assistant coach for the Dallas Mavericks. 223 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:50.960 Is that Germaine in the situation. 224 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:54.960 Not entirely sure how far these conversations gone. 225 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:56.879 You know, I've heard that they have met, they have 226 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:57.879 talked to each other. 227 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:00.759 Apparently, according to a couple of ports, there was a 228 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.080 meeting in Los Angeles with Alex Jensen. Not sure if 229 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.679 Andre Miller has been contacted about being an assistant just yet. 230 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.919 But whoever it is is going to be building this 231 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.360 thing from the ground up, and if any news breaks, 232 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:16.879 of course we will bring it to you. And as 233 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.039 we've discussed and we'll continue to discuss, regardless of who 234 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:21.759 the candidate is, they're all going to be asking the 235 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:24.919 same question. If it's Alex Jensen, if it's Andre Miller, 236 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.840 if it's Richard Patino, if it's Bryce Drew, They're going 237 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:29.879 to look at Mark Carlin and Taylor Randall and say, 238 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:30.919 what are the economics of. 239 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:32.639 Your program right now? What does it look like? 240 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.840 Are we keeping up with the ability to pay players 241 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:37.279 what we need to pay them in order to get 242 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:38.000 them to come here. 243 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.399 Love it or hate it, man, that's where we're at. 244 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.919 So no tangible news in that space over the weekend, 245 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:46.639 but happy for the youths to get that win. Happy 246 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:50.720 ultimately for coach Islert and those players to experience a win, 247 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:52.519 and we'll see what they do the rest of the way. 248 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:54.879 The best game of the weekend was the Utah women's 249 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:59.799 game against BYU. Now BYU has this rising star, this freshman, 250 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.720 Delaney Gibb freshman went for thirty six, ten and five. 251 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:06.919 She was thirteen of eighteen from the floor, five of 252 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:12.600 seven from three, and you know, of course, the attention 253 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:15.960 is on the half court shot. Mad Wilki hit there 254 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:17.840 at the end. It was her only three of the game, 255 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:21.200 but it really was jan on a couple of different occasions. 256 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.919 John Neekins tied the game in regulation with a big 257 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.120 time three after BYU was able to take the lead 258 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:28.720 by three. This would have been a big upset for 259 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:30.879 BYU on the road. Utah is a much better team. 260 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.399 And then Yanna was able Jihanna was able to hit 261 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.720 a couple of free throws in overtime. Johna went ten 262 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.440 of ten from the line. Maya went nine of ten, 263 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:41.720 so those two combined nineteen of twenty from the free 264 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.480 throw line, setting up Maddy Wilkie's half court heave, and 265 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.200 what a moment. Maddy will never forget that for the 266 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:49.600 rest of her life. And it was cool to see 267 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:51.879 kind of the dog pile and the team going crazy. 268 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.519 Utah women advanced to the Big Twelve Tournament where they 269 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:57.720 will be a top six seed. BYU will be the 270 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.720 twelve seed on the women's side. On the men's Bringing 271 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.919 Me Young continues to roll. They've now won six straight 272 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:08.200 basketball games. They embarrassed West Virginia. They dog walked him 273 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.399 down at the Marriott Center. That game was over pretty quickly. 274 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.559 And the nice thing if you're a BYU fan is 275 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.120 they didn't shoot it very well. 276 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.799 They did not make a three in the first half. 277 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:20.240 Now you knew at some point a team that really 278 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:23.039 is that proficient offensively was going to start knocking down shots, 279 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:25.399 and they did in the second half. They hung fifty 280 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:28.080 two points on West Virginia in the second half and 281 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.080 seventy seven points against West Virginia. 282 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.840 That's the most Dave allowed in Big Twelve play. 283 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:35.480 But this really was the Trayory kid Fos Traior off 284 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.440 the bench West Virginia for some reason decided to guard 285 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:40.919 him one on one, and when you get food space 286 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.600 on the block, he is impossible. He's got excellent footwork, 287 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:45.639 great patients can finished with both his right in his 288 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:47.919 left hand. He went nine to eleven from the floor. 289 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:50.840 He had twenty points and ten boards. Richie Saunders once 290 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:52.480 again named Big twelve Player of the Week, but he 291 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.759 only had thirteen. This was kind of a defensive effort 292 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.200 for bringing me young. But you've got to love that 293 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:59.720 they didn't necessarily rely on just knocking down a bunch 294 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:02.799 of three. And they've got a massive game coming up 295 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.759 in Aames, taking on Iowa State, and if they win 296 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.279 that game, they're going to be a top four seed 297 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.000 in the Big twelve tournament. I don't think they can 298 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.080 catch either Tech or Arizona. 299 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:14.759 They're a full game behind them. 300 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:16.799 They would need a little help, but a top four 301 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:18.799 seed in the Big twelve tournament gives you a double 302 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:21.559 buy in the quarterfinals. And at this point, not only 303 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.039 is BYU a lock for the NCAA tournament, they might 304 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.679 even get a top four or five seed, depending on 305 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:28.960 what happens the rest of the way. Utah Jazz and 306 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:32.200 Action Tonight they're taking on the Detroit Pistons. Got a loss, 307 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:34.960 so a way to go against the Pelicans over the weekend. 308 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.679 Jazz are essentially resting most of their vets. We know 309 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:40.360 what time it is down the stretch. They're just losing 310 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.919 games to up that lottery position. If they're one of 311 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.759 the three worst teams in basketball, they will have a 312 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.480 fourteen percent chance to the number one pick. It goes 313 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:52.399 down incrementally from there. If you're number four, it's like 314 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:54.840 twelve and a half percent. Number five is like ten 315 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:56.440 or whatever. But you want to be one of the 316 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:59.639 bottom three, and the jazzer right on pace for that. 317 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.840 I timed the Uncrustable perfectly today, just. 318 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:06.600 Like you could not have done it better. 319 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:10.600 I'm not sure if it's like twenty minutes twenty five minutes, 320 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:12.600 but if you can get it when the jelly is 321 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.039 still a little bit cold and it's like a little crunchy, 322 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.039 o oh, man, knocked it right out of the park. 323 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.519 I usually save until three, but I tried something new 324 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.200 today and I think I'm onto something grape Yeah, oh yeah, okay, 325 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.279 I'm all in on the grape man. Like I've now 326 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:30.360 only started to buy only grape. I don't buy the strawberry. Really, 327 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:32.799 I haven't tried it. There's like new flavors, but I'm 328 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:33.559 all in on the grape. 329 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.120 There is quite a few. There's like a honey one. 330 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.679 I mean, let's be clear, it's not anything groundbreaking. This 331 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:42.000 is a peanut butter and something else sandwich. There's honey ones, 332 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:46.159 there's strawberry Jaanda. The Uncrustables though they don't. 333 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.639 Miss well, I'm just afraid that they're, as the kids 334 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.919 would say, they're doing too much. They're trying too hard. 335 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.399 Just stick with the basics, at least that's my opinion. 336 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:56.639 We've got Doney on the program today. RSL was able 337 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:58.120 to get a win. The Voice of the Utes, Bill 338 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.759 Riley stops by Sam Monson for or some football. 339 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.080 But on a Monday afternoon, it's always going to start 340 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:03.879 a week with. 341 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.879 My buddy Tom Haberstrow to talk a little pro basketball. 342 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:08.279 Tom. Happy Monday, buddy. How we doing? 343 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:09.679 Oh? 344 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.799 I'm doing great? Fcch Champion Staples Wreckers. You're talking to 345 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:19.799 an alum of the raining champion FCAC Staples Wreckers. That's right, 346 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:23.200 that's right, Spence. I had that in my back pocket 347 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:23.919 before I came on. 348 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:25.559 You know, you don't have to rub that in. 349 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:27.840 I'll just encourage you to go look at the box 350 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.279 score from nineteen ninety six at Staples High when your 351 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.720 boy just took Pete Van Sicklin and Ernie Vverina to school. 352 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:38.600 Well, I don't know if you know this, and it 353 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:43.759 is for another time, but the suburban teams in the 354 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:47.360 FCAC are now raining. They're now dominating the FCAC, which 355 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.080 is very different than when we were growing up. But 356 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:52.919 I digress. That is another topic for another conversation. And 357 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:56.639 I am here in Portland. I am in studio for 358 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:59.000 this four game trip that the Blazers are on the 359 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:01.960 road and they're state just finished up a game against 360 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:05.600 the Cleveland Cavaliers in overtime. It was an amazing game. 361 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:07.759 And the reason why we have Pearl Jams starting up 362 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.679 is because I am here in the Pacific Northwest coming 363 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:12.919 to you live from Portland, Oregon. 364 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:13.480 I love it. 365 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:16.639 Are you a fan of the PMW as those of 366 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:17.759 us out here like to call. 367 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:19.080 It, Yes? 368 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:24.080 Yes, And it's there's such a great food scene and 369 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:27.639 people are very friendly. It's just there's like so here 370 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:32.519 at the hotel, there's a you know, a purel dispenser 371 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:37.120 like a hand sanitizer dispenser, and it says spread joy 372 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:42.519 not germs. To me, that is Portland in a nutshell. 373 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.159 Is there's just on something as just random and basic 374 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.960 as a hand sanitizer machine. They gotta make it weird. 375 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:50.159 They got to make it fun. 376 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:52.879 Spread joy not germs. 377 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.120 Worse to live by, keep Portland weird, man, I'm telling you, 378 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.720 I've got buddies up there. And if you watch like 379 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.440 propaganda news, you believe that the city is dead. 380 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:02.919 It's not. It's very much great. 381 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.039 Do not watch the news and believe what they tell you, 382 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:08.039 just go and experience it. How often are you able 383 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:09.960 to get up there, because usually you do all this 384 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.359 stuff via zoom right or in the studio in your house. 385 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:13.480 Yeah. 386 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:15.559 Yeah, I come up a couple of times a year. 387 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.160 And I got a cousin, one of my close cousins 388 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.720 here in Portland, so it's always great to come. The 389 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:24.079 food scene is outrageous. I have that Top Chef podcast, 390 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.839 Pack Your Knives. If you're a big fan of that 391 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:29.400 show on Bravo Top Chef, you can listen to that. 392 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:31.279 And I got to eat at one of these Top 393 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.920 Chef restaurants. Called Cohn, Gregory Gordat and like man, every 394 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.519 time I come to Portland, I'm just blown away at 395 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:41.759 the food scene, the beer scene, like all the arts 396 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:46.079 here in town. It's just a great I love coming here. Besides, 397 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:49.759 you know, this is the only pro sports team in 398 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.599 the four major sports here and they really care about 399 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.279 their Blazers, and I know Salt Lake you guys are 400 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.640 experiencing this too. Is just like they're adding you know, 401 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.480 they're adding an NHL team there, and I gotta imagine, 402 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.000 does this mean that the Jazz lose some of their 403 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.240 real estate in the sports conversation. I'm wondering, I'm curious. 404 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:10.680 It's a good question. 405 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.079 And you know, I've often drawn parallels between Salt Lake 406 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:16.119 City and Portland. You know, they have an MLS team, 407 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.640 and their soccer fans are very intense and it's a 408 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:23.920 really cool soccer experience like we have here right now. 409 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:27.240 The hockey club's presence has not seemed to dilude the 410 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.240 fan base when it comes to attendance for the Jazz. 411 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.400 You know what's interesting, Tom, is we got some TV 412 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.400 ratings data a couple of weeks ago, and when you know, 413 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:39.599 the Gobert Mitchell Quinn teams. When they were at their peak, 414 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:44.200 the Jazz were second in the entire league in local 415 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:44.960 NBA ratings. 416 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:46.839 The Warriors were one. And this was like two three 417 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:47.680 years in a row. 418 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.400 And now the Jazz are like third to the bottom 419 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:53.079 and they have the second worst drop as far as 420 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:58.400 ratings go locally. So there's information available to indicate people 421 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:00.400 aren't watching the games at home as much as they 422 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:02.920 typically do. But I think I've been to maybe nine 423 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.680 or ten games, and every game I've been to, and look, 424 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:07.079 I will admit to being a snob. 425 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:09.000 I only go to the games where the good teams. 426 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:10.960 Are actually playing on the other side because the Jazz, 427 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:13.960 you know, we know the deal. But every game I've 428 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.119 been to tom that Arena has been packed. The Jazz 429 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:18.519 fans continue to show up. At least from my vantage point. 430 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.039 Yeah, and Blazers fans too. Is that even though they 431 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:25.240 are going to this rebuild, the attendance is strong, and 432 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:29.200 we just on the broadcast side, have the highest increase 433 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:34.160 in year over year audience numbers. The ratings have increased 434 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:37.720 by I see something like sixty percent. And you know, 435 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:42.240 the team right now has the second best defense in 436 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.759 the NBA. The Blazers do since they made this lineup 437 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.960 change Shade and Sharp out of the starting lineup. Timani 438 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.200 Kamara is a beast and Will Hardy has talked a 439 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:55.559 big game on to Monic More loves that guy, and 440 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.720 it reminded me, you know, like the Jazz they would 441 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:01.160 love a player like that. And I've always said that 442 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:05.519 Tommani Kamara is like the Walker Kessler of the Rudy 443 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:08.279 Gobert trade, is like a kind of like an afterthought, 444 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:11.319 a throw in that people aren't really excited about at 445 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:13.200 the time of the trade because they don't they're not 446 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:16.920 familiar with his game, and then later on they're like, oh, 447 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:20.200 like long term, like Walker Kessler's, he's a real piece. 448 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:22.759 Like he's a really good young player in the same 449 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.480 way that Tammani Kamara, who's this All World defender on 450 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.480 the wing, second year player for the For the Blazers, 451 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:32.279 he's like the real gem of that Damian Lillard trade, 452 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.440 where it's like, yeah, he's not as good as Drew 453 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.519 Holiday right now, but down the line, if the Blazers 454 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.599 can get Tomani Kamara to develop on the offensive end, 455 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:45.759 they've got a real like Jimmy Butler type Derek White 456 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:48.400 type and at the time just a second round pick. 457 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:50.799 No one thought anything of it, but just like Walker Kessler, 458 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:52.319 a real deal player. 459 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.720 I'm glad you brought up Walker Kessler because I wanted 460 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:59.000 to revisit a topic that you and I covered to 461 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.000 start the year and having kicked it around lately, because 462 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:05.119 it's just been difficult to create interesting narratives for a 463 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:06.599 team that's un serious about winning. 464 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:09.519 And you know, Jaden Springer's side a three year deal. 465 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:11.400 I don't know if that means that they're super high 466 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.160 on him moving forward or they just need players on 467 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:17.279 the roster, but to start the year and to start 468 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.279 the season, for me, whenever I would go on a 469 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:22.039 different radio show or a podcast, I'd get pretty much 470 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.559 the same question, which is who's around on the team 471 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.319 when they're good? Again outside of marketing and look, they 472 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:31.119 have a lot of work to do to make sure 473 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.400 that they're good in the next four years, or they 474 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:35.680 have lowry like they are more than one or two 475 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:39.359 pieces away. But just generally speaking, I mean, Walker clearly 476 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:41.759 has played himself now to that conversation, He's been so 477 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.680 good this year. If there's one real positive development for 478 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:49.279 Jazz basketball, twenty four to twenty five. It is Walker Kessler, 479 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:51.480 so I am more than willing to put him on 480 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:53.880 that list. But if we look at this group of 481 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.799 first and second year guys Keante George and we take 482 00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:59.440 Walker off the table and we place him next to Lowry, 483 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:02.240 is okay, we know we've got something with you. With 484 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:05.640 you two, Heantay has been better since well we asked 485 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:07.799 him to come off the bench. There's a lot to 486 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.519 like about the progress Isaiah Callier has made. You can't 487 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:12.680 shoot twenty five percent from three and be a lead 488 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:15.799 Garden Pro basketball. Taylor Hendrix's hurt, We'll put him on 489 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.359 the shelf. Cody Williams, it does not look good at all. 490 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:21.240 So if you look at these first and second year players, 491 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:24.640 if we say Tom that Lowry and Walker are around, 492 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:27.279 is there anybody else you're willing to put in that 493 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:28.440 category as of now? 494 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:34.559 Not right now, No, I don't have the confidence yet. 495 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:37.799 I'd have to see more of Cody Williams. He looks 496 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:42.440 just too thin, too unsure of himself. He looks like 497 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.680 a child out there a lot of times. And I 498 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:47.799 think without Jdubb, I'm not so sure I'd have the 499 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:51.920 optimism JDub being Jalen Williams's older brother who's an absolute 500 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.559 star in today's NBA who had forty plus points and 501 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.480 just the Oklahoma City Thunder are not where they are 502 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.599 without Jay Williams. But Cody Williams hasn't inspired me to 503 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.039 make me believe that he's a real deal player. But 504 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:10.039 you know, look, last year, we had a lot of 505 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.599 questions about Scoot Henderson and I kept coming back to 506 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.400 the point that he's super young, and it's hard to 507 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.359 grade these guys when they're nineteen, when they're twenty years old, 508 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:21.440 and that's what I think is the deal with you know, 509 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.920 Cody Williams is that when he started the season, he 510 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:26.359 was nineteen, and I just don't think he's there yet. 511 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.400 I don't think he's an NBA player yet. But these guys, 512 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:32.200 we need to grade them in year three or year four. 513 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:35.359 And Walker Kessler is another example of he had a good, 514 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.559 good rookie season, but to really see what they're gonna be, 515 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:41.480 you need like three or four years before you make 516 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:46.559 that evaluation. And Cante George, I'm not there yet. Cody 517 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:50.000 Williams not there yet. Isaiah Collier, like you said, has 518 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.519 to be more efficient, but you really love the playmaking 519 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.039 and the attack mentality that he has. But for me, 520 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:58.559 it's Walker Kessler and Larry Markinhan. 521 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:03.160 All right, just for our jazz fan listeners who are 522 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:08.480 very interested in the current landscape of these prospects rising 523 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:11.960 up draft boards. Now, ultimately the bottom three teams will 524 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.240 all have about a fourteen percent chance, and the Jazz 525 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:17.359 should be in that bottom three. We'll see what happens, 526 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.039 but they're clearly trending in that direction. 527 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:20.440 They're resting their vets every night. 528 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:24.839 It seems to me Tom that it is Cooper flag 529 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:27.279 and then there is a massive gap between everybody else. 530 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.680 But are we going to have people like some of 531 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:34.039 the ziggers when people zag, like when Wembin Yama was available, 532 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:35.720 and people like well, I kind of like Scoot, You're like, no, 533 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:39.400 it's stop doing that. It's him, right. Is there anybody 534 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.440 else that's in the Cooper flag cul de sac or 535 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:44.759 is it Cooper flag and then everybody else in this 536 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.559 draft process, Yeah, it's. 537 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:50.720 Cooper flag and everybody else. To me, you know, some 538 00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:55.200 of these guys. I got to see Duke in person 539 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:59.640 a few weeks ago at Cameron Indoor and Maleley walk, 540 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.279 the big man seven foot two, he's he's going to 541 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:06.759 be a really good NBA player, but he's not even 542 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:10.240 in the same stratosphere as Cooper Flag. Cooper Flag, the 543 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.640 fact that he's averaging you know, twenty two nine and 544 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:16.680 five per thirty six minutes, you know, to keep the 545 00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:21.240 grade on that scale for all players in college basketball, 546 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:25.440 no one has the productivity, no one has the upside. 547 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.920 And by the way, he's the youngest guy in the class. 548 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:29.839 That's what I don't think people realize. 549 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:34.119 He's eighteen years old and doing this. He just turned eighteen, 550 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.519 so he's not only the best player in college basketball. 551 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.279 And dude, like the dude from Auburn, right, he's like 552 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:46.000 twenty four years old. They're in the same conversation for 553 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:47.640 Player of the Year. And I'm just sitting here, like 554 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.079 they play two different leagues. Like the fact that that guy, 555 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.640 as good as he is, he's like four or five 556 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:58.720 years older than Cooper Flag. So what are we doing here? 557 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.160 I know this isn't like who's the number one overall 558 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.519 pick should get the Player of the Year, but it's 559 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.359 just amazing to me that Cooper Flag is playing head 560 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:09.440 to head with a guy who's like five years older 561 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:13.920 than him and still putting up extremely good numbers. Look, 562 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.440 you know, the Blazers fans, they're kind of in this 563 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:20.160 very difficult position is they know that Cooper Flag is 564 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:24.279 right there in the next year's draft pool, and yet 565 00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.359 the Blazers are one of the best teams in the 566 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.440 NBA over the last month, and so it is this 567 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.559 kind of like, I just hate that. This is the 568 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:35.960 conversation for the NBA is like, when you have a 569 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:38.119 good team, I don't want to have to be like, yeah, 570 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.319 but they're missing out on Cooper Flag. And that's a 571 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:43.480 tough thing. With the incentive structure as you've lived it 572 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:48.359 there in Utah is there should never be a system 573 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:53.160 in place that makes fans feel bad about winning. And 574 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.319 that's unfortunately what we've created with the draft. And even 575 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.599 though they've done those those flattening of the eye to 576 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:05.000 curb tanking and to disincentivize teams from trying to lose, 577 00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:09.599 it's still unfortunately a big part of the conversation is 578 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:16.880 whether teams like the Phoenix Suns or the Miami Heat 579 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:20.000 the Golden State Warriors, should they really go for the 580 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.640 playoffs or should they tank for Cooper Flag, and unfortunately 581 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:25.720 we are still in that conversation no matter what the 582 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:27.920 league has done in the recent years to curb tanking. 583 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.279 One more Jazz thing here if we operate off a 584 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:35.799 fun hypothetical and say, okay, finally, Lady Luck shines on 585 00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.599 Salt Lake. Finally, the Utah Jazz received the lottery luck 586 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.519 that they've never received in the history of this organization. 587 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.279 It's crazy that they've only been to the lottery nine 588 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:47.559 times for a team that plays their basketball in Salt 589 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:50.079 Lake City. They've never moved up, They've only stood pat 590 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:53.400 or moved down. And they are able to grab that 591 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.960 number one pick. And we enter next year, Tommy with 592 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:00.480 a front line around here of lowry marketing, Walker Cashler 593 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.119 and Cooper Flag. First of all, tickets would be flying 594 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.279 off the shelf and they would be very popular. But 595 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:08.640 second of all, from a basketball standpoint, we got something 596 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.839 now right, Like that's now something the fan base can say, Okay, 597 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:12.599 now here we go. 598 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:17.559 I can see a future. 599 00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.880 And I don't think that those three guys can't play together. 600 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.720 I mean, you look at Cooper Flag. He's kind of 601 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:24.279 a Luca in the sense that. 602 00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:25.759 He is Ah. 603 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.759 He's a hub of your offense and is marketing in 604 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.400 the hub. I don't. I don't think Mark I like 605 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.640 and marketing as a tall clay like Klay Thompson. He's 606 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.359 an amazing shooter, but he's not a guy who's gonna 607 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:42.799 be ball dominant and running the offense and playmaking for 608 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.960 everybody else. That's Cooper Flag. Like I see, that's the 609 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:50.039 vision for this dude, is like KG. Like KG was 610 00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.039 a guy who is the hub of the Minnesota Timberwolves 611 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.680 at his peak, and yeah the Boston Celtics. KG wasn't 612 00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:00.240 that guy, but man like peak KG, he very much 613 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.480 was a point big And I see the same thing 614 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.079 with Cooper Flag. So if you have Walker Kessler and 615 00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.039 his rim protection and then you have the weak side 616 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:12.359 help protection that a Cooper Flag gets you overnight, if 617 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:16.119 they can find, you know, some shooting around those guys overnight, 618 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.839 the Utah Jazz would be a playoff team. I firmly 619 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.920 believe that is the impact the effect of Cooper Flag. 620 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.880 Let me ask you, just because you'll be good with this, 621 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:25.640 you live there. 622 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.799 I've always wondered, so, Durham, what's like a two hour 623 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.759 drive from Charlotte's roughly. 624 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:31.240 Something like that. 625 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:37.119 Yes, So is there anything that would turn Charlotte's or 626 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.359 just that area North Carolina into a pro basketball market 627 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.640 in a way that we haven't seen, Like Charlotte's gonna 628 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.160 be one of the three worst teams I think, along 629 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.079 with Washington and Utah. If the Hornets get number one 630 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.720 and they put Cooper Flag next to you know, next 631 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.319 next to ball, is that is there anything that will 632 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.720 turn that that area into a pro basketball market that 633 00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:58.480 we haven't seen so far. I thought it was going 634 00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.000 to be more of a natural fit than it seemed 635 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:00.519 to have been. 636 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.799 It would one hundred percent put people back in the 637 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:10.240 seats for the Charlotte Hornets. The whole city is ravenous 638 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:11.519 for something to cheer about. 639 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:13.240 The city just. 640 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:17.279 Got an MLS team, right, They've got this LaMelo ball 641 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.799 kid who's like just turning the corner and trying to 642 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.519 be a winning player. But the roster they're breaking it 643 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.240 down to the studs with the new ownership. And you 644 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:32.480 have to remember, the Charlotte Hornets had the longest sellout 645 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.240 streak in NBA history at one point. They were a 646 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.319 huge market in the in the nineties. During the nineties 647 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:45.200 with Larry Johnson, Alonzo Morning Muggsy Bogues. They were huge, 648 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.119 and especially so in the local market, and it was 649 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:51.920 impossible to get a ticket to go see the Charlotte Hornets. 650 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:58.400 So it's there. There is this kind of this this 651 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:02.359 this sense that we've got a huge fan base of 652 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:07.359 basketball with UNC with the Tobacco Road right here, that 653 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:11.400 if Cooper Flag, coming from Duke, can come here in 654 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.480 Charlotte and be the face of the Charlotte Hornets, it'll 655 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:15.200 change everything. 656 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.079 And he is a very very. 657 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.279 Serious basketball player in the way that there are a 658 00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.640 lot of questions around LaMelo Ball and how serious is 659 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.319 about winning. He's never been on a winning team. That's 660 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.400 not the case of Cooper Flag. There are no questions 661 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.200 about his desire to be professional, desire to be a 662 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.279 winning player and to do all the little things to 663 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.960 win basketball games. And the other thing I will say, 664 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.759 the Utah Jazz and the Charlotte Hornets are very similar 665 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.440 in this sense where they always feel like they are 666 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.599 the bridesmaid, never the bride when it comes to the 667 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:49.079 draft lottery. I'm going to remind the listeners here the 668 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:53.039 Charlotte Hornets and the Bobcats history in the NBA draft, 669 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.319 because it's crazy all right, number one. In the Dwight 670 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:01.000 Howard draft, who do they get at number two? It 671 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.480 was a Mecca Okafer. The Charlotte Hornets could have had 672 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.240 Dwight Howard, but instead they got a Mecca Okafer. In 673 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.440 the Shaquille O'Neal draft, of course, the Charlotte Hornets didn't 674 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.240 get the number one overall pick even though they are 675 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.440 the one of the worst teams, and they ended up 676 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.000 getting the number two pick when Victor Webbin Yama was 677 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.599 the number one overall pick. The Sewtt Hornets ended up 678 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:26.519 at number three. In of course, the Anthony Davis draft, 679 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.559 they couldn't get number one. They ended up at number 680 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:33.519 two to get Michael kid Gilchrist. The fall off between 681 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.200 these generational bigs and the number two or number three 682 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:41.279 guy that the Charlotte Hornets ended up getting has been outrageous. 683 00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:42.160 It is it. 684 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:47.160 The fans always say, you know, there's something that the 685 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.079 league will not let us get the number one overall pick, 686 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:54.119 because look at this slew of generational bigs that come 687 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.400 through the NBA, and we always seem to get the 688 00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:00.880 number two pick. And hopefully for Hornets fans, that changes. 689 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.400 Hopefully for Jazz fans that changes, but there's only one 690 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:08.440 Cooper flag, and unfortunately those fan bases can't get they 691 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.680 can't all get Cooper flag, and so for many many 692 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.359 fan bases, this is just gonna be another year losing. 693 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:15.720 That is brutal. 694 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.559 I don't think I've ever heard anybody articulate that draft 695 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:23.240 history before. That's a baby's breath away from several franchise pieces. Goodness, 696 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.279 all right, Tom, let's move off the jazz now and 697 00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.920 let's get some big picture thoughts about what's currently happening 698 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:30.319 in the league. 699 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:31.519 What are you willing to. 700 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.599 Say about where the Lakers are at today and winning 701 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.240 six straight games, Luca kind of taking over as the 702 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:40.960 centerpiece against the Clips the other night, and Lebron really 703 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.759 certainly not looking near his age. Are you willing to 704 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.039 say that they need to be put in the category 705 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.240 with OKC And I'll say, Denver, maybe that's your Tier 706 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:53.079 one in the West. 707 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.440 Are they a legitimate threat come playoff time? 708 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:55.680 Now? 709 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:01.680 I've got OKAC in its own tier out West. I 710 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.279 got Denver and the Lakers in that set, and the 711 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.279 Golden State Warriors in that second tier. 712 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:08.039 So out on. 713 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:13.199 Tomdfinder dot com, I tear out the Contenders by five star, 714 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.519 four star, three star, two star, one star ratings, and 715 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:21.400 this morning just released my newest title Tiers. The Lakers 716 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:26.320 are upgraded to a four star status. And I look 717 00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:30.360 at their performance with Luka Doncic and it's all about 718 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:36.760 Lebron looks rejuvenated, Like he looks like prime Lebron right now, 719 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.400 in the sense that he's trying a lot harder on defense. 720 00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.960 He's everywhere defensively, he's running out in fast fast breaks, 721 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.920 his transition game. It looks like they breathe new life 722 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.000 into Lebron. And Draymond Green said this about Jimmy Butler 723 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.039 the acquisition. Right after they got Jimmy Butler, he said, 724 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:55.199 we're gonna win the championship. You said it over All 725 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:59.719 Star Weekend, And it's because of belief Capital b belief. 726 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.159 And in some ways I see the same corollary for 727 00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.599 the Los Angeles Lakers as Lebron believes, I think he 728 00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.559 gets Luca on his team and he believes like he 729 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.519 is the one, Like Anthony Davis is great, but he 730 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.800 ain't Lucas Ajic. And the way that they have chemistry 731 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.199 out on the floor is insane. They have been nineteen 732 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.480 assists from Luca to Lebron already by far the most 733 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:29.119 the assist recipient of Luca's assists is number one is Lebron. 734 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.199 And the crazy stat from Dean Oliver, who's you know, 735 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:35.840 the godfather of NBA analytics, who wrote the Bible of 736 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:41.079 NBA analytics called Basketball on Paper. He works for the 737 00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.760 ESPN's analytics department. Now he runs it, and he just 738 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:51.079 tweeted out that the shot quality of Luca's assists to 739 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:57.519 Lebron before he shoots the ball, an average player would 740 00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:02.679 shoots seventy six percent on those shots. Think about that, 741 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:08.199 Luca is finding Lebron in spots where the average NBA 742 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.880 player would shoot seventy six percent, And of course Lebron 743 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.320 is way higher than that because he's Lebron. But do 744 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.440 you know how hard it is to get defenses to 745 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.239 forget about Lebron James or miss him or lose him, 746 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.400 or not even lose him. Just Luca can can place 747 00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:26.880 the ball in Lebron's hands and ways that no one 748 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.360 else can't. Like when you look at those touchdown passes 749 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.840 that Kevin Love used to throw to Lebron in Cleveland, 750 00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.519 Luca's doing it like three times over, like every time 751 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.159 that Luca gets a rebound, now defensive rebound, Lebron's running 752 00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.719 down the floor and getting a wide open layup. And 753 00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.239 that's what's scary about this is that Luka Doncic is 754 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.960 already has way more chemistry than Dwayne Wade, than Chris Bosh, 755 00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.280 than Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving. It seems like he 756 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.519 has way more chemistry with Lebron James than any of 757 00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:00.920 those guys had. At nearly lightning speed. Lebron's already got 758 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:06.079 this in like five games playing with Luca, So I 759 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.159 think I think they're in the four starts here because 760 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.559 they don't have the bigs that I think is required 761 00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:13.599 to beat, you know, all the teams that they need 762 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.559 to beat in order to get to the NBA Finals. 763 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:18.079 But on Basketball Illuminati this week, we had Brandon Payne 764 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.679 on who's Steph Curry's trainer and one of the great 765 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:26.840 coaches skills coaches in the NBA, longtime shooting coach. He 766 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.679 was just talking about how he thinks that the Lakers 767 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.480 are every bit a championship contender as the rest of them. 768 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.239 Calves Okac in Boston, I might not go as far 769 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.559 to say that, but I think they're just in a 770 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.920 tier below the Oklahoma City Thunder because of that chemistry 771 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:42.880 between Lebron and Luca. 772 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.000 All Right, before I set you loose, I'll ask you 773 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.280 a similar question. But we move over to the East 774 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.199 and on Friday night in Boston, Donovan Man, when Donovan 775 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.440 cooks like that, it's just a lot of people around 776 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.480 here kind of missed those days. But he went for 777 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.719 forty one, and the Calves stormed back in the second 778 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:01.800 half than they took care of the Celtics. And look, 779 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.840 the Cavs winning is not new, but they're fifty and ten, 780 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.599 they've won ten straight and they're seven and a half 781 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.079 games out of Boston. At what point do we stop 782 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.639 with the whole Boston and everybody else narrative and start 783 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.920 to talk about the Calves in a more serious way, 784 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.039 especially with the trade they made that you've talked about 785 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.760 grabbing DeAndre Hunter, which kind of went under the radar 786 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:23.360 because you know Luca was traded. 787 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.119 Yeah, DeAndre Hunter, I think could be the missing piece 788 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:31.800 from thirty two points yesterday against the Blazers, where you 789 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:37.119 know Tamani Kamara was busy locking down Darius Garland four 790 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.840 sixteen shooting from Darius Garland and here comes DeAndre Hunter, like, oh, 791 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:43.920 I can carry this offense down the stretch. They didn't 792 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.440 have that before the trade. Now they have this piece 793 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.079 DeAndre Hunter, who's a big wing. I think he's I 794 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.880 think he's a four. He's a natural four in today's 795 00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.119 modern MBA. And so they can go small like they 796 00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.440 did a lot in that game yesterday with Jared Allen 797 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.639 on the bench and Ammably at the and that dynamic 798 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.599 is huge. I'd picked the Calves as the favorite out 799 00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.440 of East right now. They're forty three and oh with 800 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.559 a lead going into the fourth quarter. They have not 801 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.719 lost the game with the lead, and going into the 802 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:17.039 fourth I think the stat with thirty eight and one 803 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.760 after a lead in the first quarter, so going into 804 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.679 the second quarter with the lead, they've only lost one 805 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.679 game this season. They're just they're Relentlesskenny Atkinson's done a 806 00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.559 great job there and I think Cleveland is right there 807 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.000 in that top tier. If you go to Tomdfinder dot 808 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.320 com you can see my tiers, my title tiers that 809 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.840 I do every week, and I haven't changed. 810 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:38.119 It's Cleveland. 811 00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.440 It's okay seeing it's Boston and then everybody else. I 812 00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.519 think Boston's really good, but man, Cleveland's coming for them, 813 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.320 and I really believe that they should be on the 814 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.000 same title tier as Boston. 815 00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:52.480 The raigning champs staying at the Nines, No, I'm. 816 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.519 Staying at the highest regency by the Convention Center. 817 00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.760 Well go, what's that restaurant that have at the Nines. 818 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.880 That's a good spot. You got to hit that up. 819 00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:01.719 Yeah. 820 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:05.360 So the chef there, Gregory Gordet, he opened up his 821 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.480 new restaurant after Top Chef, and that's the one that 822 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.199 I went to when I first got Okay is con 823 00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:16.159 and the Nines restaurant up top is very good. But 824 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.559 the chef behind that has now has his own restaurant 825 00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:19.079 and it is. 826 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:20.280 It is awesome. 827 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.559 And the Blazers the Blazer There's probably something like this 828 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.719 in Utah and Salt Lake where like the jazz players 829 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.320 and the jazz proNT office guys love to go there. 830 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:33.519 That's what this restaurant is is it's called con K 831 00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.119 a n N by Gregory Gordet. And that's the spot 832 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:37.719 in Portland. If you want to hit up a really 833 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.039 good restaurant if you're visiting, go hit up con If 834 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:40.920 you can get a reservation. 835 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.639 All right, my guy, where can everybody? And by the way, 836 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.840 here that's Vaulters. It's the Italian restaurant Vaults. That's where 837 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:48.800 all the NBA guys like to go. So next time 838 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:50.760 you're in Salt Lake, hit that up. But before I 839 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.159 set you loose, where can everybody go? 840 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:56.400 Find your work at Tom haraschro on x Tom Thefinder 841 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.760 dot com, Yahoo Sports. In the Blazers broadcast, we got 842 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:03.719 a Philadelphia seventy six is tonight, very exciting. No Joel 843 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:05.440 Embiid and who knows about Paul George. 844 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:07.519 All right, buddy, thanks for the time. Enjoy rip City 845 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.519 and we'll chat soon. All right, thanks, be right great, 846 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:12.639 Tom Haberstrow, we will catch a break. We've got one 847 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.880 hour down. We have three hours to go. All right, 848 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.960 We've got Ryle stop on by today. Voice of the Utes, 849 00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.000 Bill Riley, set your alarms for four o'clock, so about 850 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.880 fifty minutes from right now. We'll do some Utah men's 851 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.840 basketball with Bill. We'll do some Utah football with Bill. 852 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:29.719 As we are high speed ahead to spring ball. We're 853 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.199 gonna have coach Wit on the program. By the way, 854 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.639 coming up on Wednesday of this week coach Wit will 855 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.000 stop by, so stay tuned for that. Sam monson later 856 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:41.039 on for a little NFL drafts and combine chatter as well. 857 00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:44.880 But URSL, hopefully for a moment, calmed the masses with 858 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.400 a two miller result against Seattle. It was the MLS 859 00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:51.280 home opener for the lads on Saturday. Our next guest 860 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.960 was on the call, and he is celebrating a birthday 861 00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:03.039 I believe today. Yes, Brian Don Seth, happy birthday, buddy boyppreciated. 862 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.760 Yesterday was my birthday, but I appreciate it nonetheless. One man, 863 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:05.480 thank you so much. 864 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.719 So you're you're what forty two? Is that right thereabouts? 865 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:11.239 Yeah? 866 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:12.679 Maybe six years ago? Uh? 867 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:19.599 Okay, No, unfortunately forty eight years old, man, And I 868 00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:21.599 don't know. It's weird. I can't be the only one 869 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.920 out there in radio land who still thinks they're twenty three, 870 00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.639 twenty four but then wakes up with like a crank 871 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:30.079 in their neck, their back hurts, and somehow, you know, 872 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.280 they've got some foot issue out of nowhere. Yeah. I'm 873 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.639 young and dynamic in my mind, and I'm I'm beat 874 00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:37.719 up and old in my body. 875 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.960 You're preaching the choir man, I pulled my hamstring in 876 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.039 the shower, just trying to apply you know, body wash. 877 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:44.599 How old? 878 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:45.119 How old? 879 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:48.159 Was a bright eyed and bushy tailed Brian Dunsath when 880 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:49.719 he first landed in Salt Lake City. 881 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.880 Oh I was I think I was twenty six? 882 00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:54.320 Wow? 883 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.079 Yeah, I think I was twenty six, twenty seventh somewhere there. 884 00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:59.920 Okay, man, you've been you've been around these parts. I 885 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:01.679 know you left for a moment, but you've been back. 886 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.519 You're basically a local, Donny by, now, aren't you. 887 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:09.639 Oh dude, I represent the eight oh one really really well. 888 00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:13.079 I uh, I do it every I do what everybody 889 00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:16.639 from Utah does. When somebody speaks high of this beautiful 890 00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.760 state of ours, I tell him it's horrible that they'd 891 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.559 hate it, and don't even think about visiting that you 892 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:23.559 wouldn't like it. 893 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.280 Just to keep all the rip wrap away. 894 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.000 No, I I'm throwing through my kid. 895 00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:29.400 You know. 896 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.679 My wife Jade went to Skyline, went to Westminster. My 897 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.079 boys are going to Churchill in Skyline. I'm not going anywhere. Man. 898 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:37.440 I love thee one. 899 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:38.920 That's good living here, There's no doubt. 900 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.280 All right, Donny, Let's start with a little good before 901 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:46.400 we dig into potentially some bad What if anything did 902 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:49.000 that result and you and our guy Max on the call, 903 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:49.519 what what. 904 00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:50.480 Did that result do? 905 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.400 Just to kind of calm people down to nil in 906 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.559 the home opener as far as MLS play goes, Yeah. 907 00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.760 I would say Spence and I agree with you to 908 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.840 an extent, but I would say it was actually more 909 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:06.880 important inside of that locker room for a group of players. 910 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:10.480 You know, listen, they're missing forty two goals in twenty 911 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.480 nine assists. If you go back to calendar year talking 912 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:18.679 about Chijo Rongo, Anders Domez, Anderson Julio and Matt Crooks. 913 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.440 You know, the beauty in that is when those type 914 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.480 of players leave, there's a you know, there's a huge 915 00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.679 upside to it, which means inside that locker room there's 916 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.360 a great opportunity for young players to fill that vacuum, 917 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:35.039 not only on the field, but maybe more importantly from 918 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.719 a leadership perspective. On top of that, I think for 919 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.760 Pablo Mastroni, when you're looking at a Jago and you're 920 00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:45.079 looking at the old two players that our young dynamic 921 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.400 have similar player profiles. One of these guys for going 922 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.920 out on the international market, one of these guys you 923 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:56.599 got to find somebody who could be that next you know, Halvrosapario, 924 00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:00.079 and that's t Jo Rongo. On top of that, I 925 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.000 thought defensively at times they were pretty poor. In the 926 00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:06.039 first couple of games, I thought they were rock solid 927 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.360 in the back with Cabral the relationship between Justin Glad 928 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:13.679 and Philip quinton A Mecca and Brian o'hada pick it 929 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:15.920 up right where they left off, and I thought there 930 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.920 was a tweak and I'm not sure too many people 931 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:22.639 notice this, but I think it could have outstanding ramifications 932 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:27.400 going forward, and that was making Diego Luna the undisputed 933 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:33.360 playmakers centrally underneath either Peel or a Jago and sliding 934 00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.119 Diego Gonzalvez out to that left hand side. And what 935 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.880 it signifies the new sets is that Diego Luna has 936 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.719 the keys to the Ferrari and maybe Diego Gonzalvez, who 937 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:48.599 hasn't lived up to expectation so far, maybe a little 938 00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.360 less pressure and a better opportunity to kind of hide 939 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.480 in the shadows and pick up some really important vacated 940 00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:59.480 speed spaces with work ethic in the running that Diego 941 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.280 Luda has been doing in that number ten position. 942 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:04.159 So I want to throw something at you that Jason, 943 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.960 Jason Cris throwed me when cause you referenced Diogo, who 944 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:11.679 was brought in last summer during that transfer window and 945 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.360 is technically, I think, the only DP now on the roster. 946 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.000 And to your point, there just haven't been enough bright 947 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:21.639 moments to say, Okay, that's our guy, that's our DP, 948 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.480 and Jason said the very same thing happened at the 949 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:29.400 start of Javier's career, Javier Morales's career here in Salt Lake, 950 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.639 where you know, you know the story as. 951 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:33.199 Well as anybody. Jay takes the gig. 952 00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:35.639 He's having a tough time getting anybody to let him 953 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.119 sign players, so he just takes a flight to Argentina 954 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:42.639 and finds Javier, finds Fabian and of course Mattias Mantisia, 955 00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:43.920 which didn't work out as well. 956 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:47.679 But is that Is that a good experience. 957 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:49.840 In parallel to drop on for RSL fans like, yes, 958 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:53.039 Diogo has struggled, but so did Haave and Hobby, for 959 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.199 most people, including me, is the best player who's ever 960 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:55.679 played here. 961 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:03.360 It's a good food for thought, training, exercise, a couple 962 00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:06.639 of different things here at the time Hobby came in 963 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:08.039 to play that number ten position. 964 00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:09.239 Remember, he was. 965 00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.320 Diving all over the place, he was always on the ground, 966 00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:15.480 and we were concerned that there was a physicality issue. 967 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.079 But Hobby still could play Diogo. You know, for whatever reason, 968 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:25.239 Matt Crooks was preferred over Diogo, and we could talk 969 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.880 about adaption, and we could talk about time, we could 970 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.280 talk about what I feel was the failure for me. Also, 971 00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:32.719 I'd like to get the job done way quicker than 972 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:36.639 indeeded to deed, similar to Chico getting into market, you know, 973 00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:40.400 three weeks prior to even his availability to start training. 974 00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:44.679 You know, Pablo quite likely preferred Matt Crooks and chi 975 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.519 Cho Wrongo together when healthy, and he preferred Anderson's Julio 976 00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:53.280 with Diogo because of the positioning. I take what Jason's 977 00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:57.639 analogy is, and what I'll do is, I'll hopefully add 978 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:02.599 to it that if Diogo consolved is anywhere near as 979 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:07.280 productive and important that Pavier Morales was to riale Se Lake, 980 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:11.280 well then you've got an iconic tent, not just for 981 00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:14.280 the present but for the future as well. But as 982 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:20.039 I say that, I wonder out loud for Diogo if 983 00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.800 ultimately he's a player that thrives on having guys that 984 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:27.800 are also leaders amongst him, and having guys that are 985 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:32.000 as talented, if not more talented, because during his time 986 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:35.719 that was certainly the case at Benfica and Copenhagen. A 987 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.440 guy that was going to start each and every game, 988 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.920 but a guy that, maybe like Albert Rusknak during his 989 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:43.639 tenure here at Riale Sa Lake, you didn't have to 990 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:47.960 lean on him as much as maybe the observance of 991 00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.760 being a designated player is in Major League Soccer. 992 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:54.599 So tell me, Donny, from your perspective and the inside 993 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.519 knowledge you have, what is fair to say about the 994 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:02.360 front office the ownership group right now, because you know, 995 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.280 with all of the moves they made, and you know 996 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.880 we could go over all of them. It's chie Sho 997 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.760 to San Jose, it's moving Andress on your reference, Matt 998 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:15.199 Crooks and oh everything. The number that I've been told 999 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.000 is they pocketed you know, between fifteen and seven mil, 1000 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.760 which is great. I mean, and I understand that the 1001 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:24.079 Ondress thing is now proof of concept, but if you're 1002 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.679 a fan of the club, you're expecting that money to 1003 00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:30.000 be reinvested into the club to get top shelf talent. 1004 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.000 And if we're honest, that just hasn't happened yet. What's 1005 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:37.039 fair to say about the process in your opinion, Yeah. 1006 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.119 There's a couple different factors. And I'm no apologies for 1007 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.280 Real Salt Lake, to be clear, because I think every 1008 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.400 team has certain things happened throughout the course of their 1009 00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:49.400 one year plan, their three year plan, their five year plan, 1010 00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.760 which is everything's great until you get punched in the face. 1011 00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:55.639 Rsel got punched in the face on a couple different 1012 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.159 occasions and whatever it was, however, we kind of finalize 1013 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.960 the Chicho Orongo departure. The reality is, from a financial standpoint, 1014 00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.639 Rial saw Lake is an organization took a four and 1015 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:12.119 a four million dollar bath on what the output was 1016 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.920 for what they paid for him versus what they ended 1017 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:19.199 up inevitably getting as a distressed asset moving him to 1018 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:23.039 San Jose. Anderson Julio had a big option yere and 1019 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.599 at that age and at that price, the club certainly 1020 00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:30.079 felt as though they could maybe not upgrade, but upgrade 1021 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.760 in potential, which is what I think they've done. Although 1022 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.719 you've gotten rid of one of the you know, the 1023 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:41.920 most physically dominant in transition moments in Major League soccer. 1024 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.880 And Anderson Julio to stretch the field, and we certainly 1025 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.239 saw that and do that in Week one, getting the 1026 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:51.639 week the game winner on the road in Houston. Matt 1027 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.760 Crook's family didn't settle. You know, a similar story happened 1028 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.039 up in Vancouver where a designated player named Stephen Armstrong. 1029 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:03.440 I would challenge anyone to think about being by themselves 1030 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.280 with a young family across you know, a different in 1031 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:09.119 a different continent and thinking about that and having to 1032 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.679 do the player right, well, it might not do the 1033 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:18.280 club right. And then finally Elias Manuel, who was supposed 1034 00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:19.679 to come over from New York Red Bulls, which I 1035 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.679 personally wasn't a huge fan of. But in the midst 1036 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:28.199 of that trade there was draft picks and there was 1037 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:31.239 a certain amount of general allocation money that was acquired 1038 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:37.079 in this offseason. And I think for Manoel who agreed 1039 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.239 to the move and then decided that he didn't want 1040 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.360 to agree to the move, two things will happen. One, 1041 00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.360 you actually got a better return for what you even 1042 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.840 sent to New York Red Bulls for Manuel, because you're 1043 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:49.960 gonna end up getting around a million dollars from both 1044 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:53.159 the FOCO in Brazil for a player that never even 1045 00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:56.360 showed up in market and number two. And this might 1046 00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.159 sound harsh, sense, but if you've got a guy that 1047 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.760 doesn't want to be here, good riddance. There's no reason 1048 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.199 that rialso Lake should have to convince some guy why 1049 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.480 he should be coming to Salt Lake. Beat it like, 1050 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.079 it doesn't matter if we're talking Major League Baseball, we're 1051 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.719 talking NHL, we're talking NBA, like, this is a great 1052 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:17.079 place to live. And if you don't want to be 1053 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.400 a part of what's happening out here, kick rocks. And 1054 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.320 that's that's exactly what happened. 1055 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:24.960 So there's h it's been. 1056 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.440 It's been a hefty offseason. I think a couple of 1057 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.079 things caught him off guard. But the window's not closed. 1058 00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:36.079 You have significant funds and hopefully you know they've identified 1059 00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.639 somebody that will continue to push this group forward in 1060 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:43.599 a manner in which they will be significantly better then 1061 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.519 maybe where they're at right now. But dude, for thought, 1062 00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:49.480 that goal from a Jago two goals and two matches, 1063 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:54.039 Hopefully that doesn't skew what the immediate need is of 1064 00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:54.480 the club. 1065 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:56.039 And I want to I want to get to him 1066 00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.159 in a moment, but I'm glad you brought up Manuel 1067 00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.920 because I wanted to kick the tires with you on 1068 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:04.400 this dynamic and whether or not it's something that maybe 1069 00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.039 we should talk about more than we do because we 1070 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.000 talk about it all the time. Through the prism of 1071 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:11.639 pro basketball in the Utah Jazz, I mean, I could 1072 00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:14.599 give you a number of examples. Some people know about 1073 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:18.239 like Derek Harper and Ronnie Sychlee other people, other others don't. 1074 00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:20.599 People don't really know about, namely like a Kevin Love. 1075 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:23.440 There was a trade on the table to bring Kevin 1076 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:25.679 Love to Utah when Donovan and Rudy were here, and 1077 00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:28.679 he said he's simply through his agent. He informed the 1078 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.159 front office. I don't want to live there. I'm not 1079 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:33.719 going to play for the Jazz. I don't feel like 1080 00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:37.360 we experienced that much on the soccer side, but are 1081 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:40.920 we starting to because and look, I know that harkening 1082 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.719 back to you know, two thousand and five to twenty 1083 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.800 ten is a fool's errand with how different the league 1084 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.239 is now. But my prism when I was with the 1085 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:54.000 club is meeting people like you and Kyle and Chris Brown, 1086 00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.840 and I could keep going like transplants who came here 1087 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.480 and ended up loving it here because of our soccer 1088 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:03.440 community and the support that you guys had. 1089 00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:05.920 Is it a new day where maybe. 1090 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.559 The club is running into the issue of people not 1091 00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:10.760 wanting to live in Salt Lake City. To your point, 1092 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.320 if you don't want to, like, okay, get lost, we'll 1093 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.159 figure it out. But I just I don't know that 1094 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:18.119 I've heard many examples of it happening. Now we have 1095 00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.519 one with a kid that I think they were hoping 1096 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:21.480 would come here and play. 1097 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:26.800 Well, yeah, I think there's twofold number one. I think 1098 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.800 we have to acknowledge that in football, worldwide, football, worldlife, soccer. 1099 00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.079 It's a different dynamic here in Major League Soccer that 1100 00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:40.320 effectively the players are league employees. They're not team employees. 1101 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:44.480 So usually it's a loane, it's a buy, or it's 1102 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.159 a sell. You know, you've got three different situations you 1103 00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:52.000 can find yourself in. Here at Major League Soccer, it's different. 1104 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:54.280 You know, the club is the club, but you're still 1105 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:58.760 technically league employees. So that's a unique dynamic in which 1106 00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:03.920 when players outside of the United States have experiences for 1107 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.039 the first time, they think they're signing with the club 1108 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.360 unbeknownst to them. You know, they're at any moment the 1109 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:13.599 club could trade you and you have no say. It's 1110 00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.159 one of the reasons why I came to rials La 1111 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:18.000 from being in Sweden was because I got traded down 1112 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.440 to Dallas on trade deadline day. General manager quits, head 1113 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:24.880 coach gets fired. I'm in an option year, and neither 1114 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:27.920 the two knuckleheads who took charge were telling me either 1115 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:29.880 they were going to pick up my option or they 1116 00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:31.639 were going to trade me. And when the LA Galaxy 1117 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.239 wanted me, they refused to flat out trade me. So 1118 00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:37.559 I got caught in no man's land with a contract 1119 00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.440 that no one would pick up, and yet I couldn't 1120 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:43.440 sign with anybody because my rights virtually didn't didn't exist. 1121 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:47.480 Now that's a very difficult two thousand and four conversation 1122 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:51.239 versus twenty twenty five, But the reality is it's still 1123 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.719 a culture shock for some of these players to try 1124 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:57.320 to contemplate and wrap their heads around the idea of 1125 00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:00.239 at any moment, I could be traded through no fault 1126 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.639 of my own, even when my kids are settled, I've 1127 00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:07.000 bought a house and you know everyone's in school, So 1128 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:11.119 fast forward to that. Listen. I think the reality is 1129 00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:15.599 and We're a very insecure Utah state, right, especially when 1130 00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:20.199 it comes to our sports. I think when people hear 1131 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.360 the name Real salt Lake, if they're not aware of it, 1132 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:24.519 they're gonna have to do a quick Google search and 1133 00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.079 figure this out. Number two, I think they'll be aware 1134 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:31.199 of the Mormon culture, the universities, you know, the sporting ventures, 1135 00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.079 you know, Utah Hockey Club and the jazz and then 1136 00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:36.400 as they dig a little bit more into it once 1137 00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:38.719 they show up in market, I think they're going to 1138 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:41.639 be overawed by the quite you know, by by the 1139 00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:45.920 ridiculous beauty and you know, the how how incredibly nice 1140 00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:49.440 everybody is in Utah. So I don't know, to your 1141 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.960 original question, we could potentially be in a situation like that, 1142 00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:57.679 but I honestly think it's a bullet dodged for Real 1143 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.440 salt Lake when it's all said and done. I told 1144 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.239 you he was a substitute off the bench in an 1145 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.800 MLS Cup final. I wasn't really sold. I didn't think 1146 00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:08.880 he was an upgrade Dan with some Julio. Oh what 1147 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:09.320 do I know? 1148 00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:12.199 So let's move over now to the group of strikers 1149 00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:14.159 that are on the roster. Before I ask you about 1150 00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:18.599 potentially what's next, And they did sign a player Jesus Brea, 1151 00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:20.920 who I'd known nothing about, and honestly, I don't know 1152 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:21.960 any think about any of these guys. 1153 00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:23.079 I'm learning all about him. 1154 00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:26.440 But I will ask you about the Yago kid because 1155 00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:28.840 that was a really nice finish. Now, the second leg 1156 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:30.880 against Sara Diiano, he did have a goal, but he 1157 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:33.599 had like seven that he just should have tapped in. 1158 00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:37.079 He had so many chances. But I feel like there's 1159 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:37.719 something there. 1160 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:39.519 I don't know what it is, but he's a big, 1161 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:41.960 physical kid with good speed and he does have both 1162 00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:44.920 of their goals. So you know, before we get to 1163 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:47.440 what's next, what's your take on whether it's Barea or 1164 00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.159 Peel or Forrester and what you've seen so far. 1165 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.800 Yeah, so Jago, You're right, he had back to bad goals. 1166 00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.079 He could have had multiple goals against Heartiano. He took 1167 00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:02.960 that goal extremely well. I actually said during the broadcast 1168 00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.519 in the goal call that he took it early. And 1169 00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.599 I think that's one of the things that surprised Stephen 1170 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.079 Fry as the goalkeeper was coming off his line. A 1171 00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:16.440 different player profile than what Peole has. Right forstar Rajago 1172 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:19.880 going through went to Duke University. Since some time at Nashville, 1173 00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:22.360 he's got some familiarity with the league. Despite being a 1174 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:26.400 young striker, you can see there's high, high level potential. 1175 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:28.880 He's got a body type that's kind of Mama du 1176 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:32.880 Diallo for the MLS. Sikos out there the MLS after 1177 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.360 darkers that are listening to and if you're out there, 1178 00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:40.440 you're epic. Peol is a young twenty year old from 1179 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:45.039 you know, Southwest Australia. Five goals in eleven games for 1180 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.800 his club before he comes over. He had that one 1181 00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:51.440 potential redirect from Katrani's ball was a little bit behind 1182 00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.159 him so he couldn't get it cleanly. But both of 1183 00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:58.119 these guys body types are similar and yet they play 1184 00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:02.679 dramatically different to one other. And then Barrera from anything 1185 00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:06.639 that I've seen, college kid worthy of a high level 1186 00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:10.480 draft pick. You've and remember there's because of the transition 1187 00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:14.440 from the presidency, there's some paperwork issues that are being 1188 00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:17.559 worked out in real time, and unfortunately for some of 1189 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:21.880 these work permits or green cards, Rialsa Lake is like 1190 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.719 many other teams in Major League Soccer and in the 1191 00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:29.360 sporting landscape where things aren't getting done as fluidly as 1192 00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:34.000 maybe they did under the previous administration. So I think 1193 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.360 there's going to be a little bit of a rotation, 1194 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.320 not in a bad way, but more of an addition 1195 00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:43.000 to the roster as this kind of gets leveled out 1196 00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:46.320 and calmed down and you see the certain paperwork that 1197 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.079 was planned on getting done and dusted. But I only 1198 00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:54.679 saw Johnny in in two training sessions, and I can 1199 00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:57.840 tell you that there is some great potential for this 1200 00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:02.239 young Spaniard pathless travel kind of like yesper Laffelson coming 1201 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:05.719 to the United States to get his college education and 1202 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:09.440 then playing professional soccer, which yesper Loffelson should be starting, 1203 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.760 by the way for San Diego on Saturday for San 1204 01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:18.480 Diego FC. Former rsler, But yeah, high, high level potential. 1205 01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:21.719 So I think when we're talking about the roster Spence, 1206 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.480 I probably should say this. I don't think this is 1207 01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:29.159 anywhere close to being the best roster for Rialsol Lake, 1208 01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:33.039 as it's obviously in flux, but I would say position 1209 01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:37.840 for position, you've got two legitimate starters in each position, 1210 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:41.920 and it might be the most competitive position for position 1211 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.159 roster that RSLO has ever put together. 1212 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.800 Yeah, there's some definite depth in certain areas, but there 1213 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:50.440 just doesn't seem to be depth or quite frankly, top 1214 01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:53.400 shelf quality up top. So let's move over now to 1215 01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:57.079 any insight you have about a striker potentially on the way. Now, 1216 01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.400 Kurt was on the show last week and he said 1217 01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:03.239 that they're working on it, like they are actively talking 1218 01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.599 to people. And you know, I know that the fans 1219 01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:08.480 are just simply a little bit front because I've heard 1220 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:10.679 you and Max on the broadcast talk about this arms 1221 01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:14.159 race in the Western Conference where these teams are spending 1222 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.599 millions and millions of dollars on high quality players. And 1223 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:19.880 to your point, there's depth in a lot of places. 1224 01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.920 The new keeper seems to be a really experienced dude, 1225 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.079 but you've got to do something up top. So do 1226 01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:27.519 you think reinforcements are on the way and do you 1227 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:28.800 have any idea what that looks like? 1228 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.320 So there's always a couple different ways to look at this, right, 1229 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.599 there's different mechanisms. Do you want a designated player? Do 1230 01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:39.159 you want a target allocation money player? Do you want 1231 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:42.480 to you twenty two initiative player where it's effectively a 1232 01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:47.119 designated player type under the age of twenty two. Do 1233 01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.760 you want to use general allocation money. There's a new 1234 01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:53.400 mechanism called cash per player in Major League Soccer. That's 1235 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:56.800 what saw Luco Eclosta leave Cincinnati and go to Dallas. 1236 01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:02.760 Evander leave Portland and go to Cincinnati. Yoblich leaves LA 1237 01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:06.000 Galaxy and go to Sporting Kansas City. And here's the 1238 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.280 other wrinkle in dynamic I've always been intrigued on and 1239 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:11.000 I've never really had clarity. What's the role of Ryan 1240 01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:15.079 Smith in this conversation with regards to the monopoly money 1241 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.920 that both he and David Blitzer have. You know, we're 1242 01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:23.639 acutely aware of both having the sporting umbrella in multiple 1243 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:28.920 leagues and having the sporting umbrellas with particular with David 1244 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:33.199 Blitzer worldwide. When you think about the investments in the 1245 01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:36.840 clubs in the Bundesliga, the Premier League, Danish Super League, 1246 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.920 down in Portugal, I mean, list goes on and on, 1247 01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:46.039 and what is the valuation and the ultimate amount of 1248 01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:48.960 money that you're willing to spend not only on transfer 1249 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:54.480 fee but effectively the weekly wage, the yearly wage. So 1250 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:57.599 I guess what I'm trying to say spent is there's 1251 01:02:57.639 --> 01:03:00.199 a lot of ways to crack the egg the question 1252 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.559 is what kind of egg is going to be cracked 1253 01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:05.079 and is it just going to be a singular sunny 1254 01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.840 side up or are we cooking with an omelet. That's uh, 1255 01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.199 that all remains to be seen. But my problem, and 1256 01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:14.480 I'll take this from more of like an Apple MLS 1257 01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:18.320 analyst perspective, it's tough to be It's tough to try 1258 01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:21.440 to tell everybody that you're taking Counky CAF Champions Cup 1259 01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:24.480 serious when you have such a unique history in that 1260 01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:26.880 tournament and it's your first time back in a long 1261 01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:31.119 long time, and that's the roster that you put together 1262 01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:34.719 three weeks ago to head down to Harry Giano. I 1263 01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.400 think there's way more questions than answers, and for a 1264 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.880 really turbulent offseason, I think that's the point that frustrates 1265 01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:44.159 RSL fans when you think about, as you referenced, Hobby 1266 01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:46.760 and Nick and Kyle Nat and the good old days 1267 01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:49.840 under Jason, but even when you think about Albert Rossmok 1268 01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:54.440 or dom Domi or Crylock, Jefferson Savarino, now cheat Show, 1269 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:58.519 you know, now Andres Gomez, now, Anderson Julio, you know 1270 01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:00.840 you've got a fan base that really believes in its 1271 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.559 players and believes in the club, but they need to 1272 01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:05.360 believe in the club long term and who's going to 1273 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:09.199 be those next long term players that and maybe potentially 1274 01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.519 make themselves those iconic faces and names that RSLO has 1275 01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.599 always been used to referring to. 1276 01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:16.679 All right, last thing, Donny, that I'll set you loose, 1277 01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:21.280 And this is tapping into Brian Dunseth, the Apple TV analyst. 1278 01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:25.800 The Houston Donamo played into Miami and Lino Messi did 1279 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:27.440 not make the trip. 1280 01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:28.760 Because he needed to rest. 1281 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.599 The Donamo sent out a post on social media and 1282 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.400 suffice to say, fans that had shelled out a bunch 1283 01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:40.199 of money to see Messi play in Houston were besides themselves. 1284 01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:41.239 The Donamo did what it code. 1285 01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:44.519 They've offered some free tickets, but this it's just part 1286 01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:46.719 of the deal, isn't it. I mean, you can't expect him, 1287 01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:49.519 at his advanced age to be healthy every single week. 1288 01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:52.559 But I find this an interesting topic because you know 1289 01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:54.679 my view on this, and I do view this from 1290 01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:59.360 an old school MLS perspective. When Beckham came to the league, everyone, 1291 01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:01.519 all of us in the league at the time, said Okay, 1292 01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.360 when do we get him here? And I feel like, 1293 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:07.239 as long as Messi is playing, every team in MLS 1294 01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:09.599 should have the opportunity to have him in their city. 1295 01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:12.119 But if he needs rest, he needs rest, right. I 1296 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:14.599 guess it's just part of the deal. But I understand 1297 01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:15.480 the fan frustration. 1298 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:19.559 Yeah, they certainly didn't need him last night, and h 1299 01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:24.079 and Houston anyway, and they enter Miami smashed them. I 1300 01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:28.440 think it's the timing that surprises everybody, because you're talking 1301 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.960 about load management at game three, Game four and such 1302 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.159 early start of the season. But also remember this is 1303 01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:38.440 an inter Miami team that kind of bounced around the 1304 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:43.440 world in preseason because they were monetizing the Max Messi effect. 1305 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.639 I've got a real problem with people taking shots at 1306 01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:52.400 the Houston Dynamo spence because those from the outside looking 1307 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:55.800 in are refused. But they're taking cheap shots, obviously, but 1308 01:05:55.920 --> 01:06:00.599 also refusing to acknowledge that when people would hate trips 1309 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:04.679 to Barcelona, to the city of Barcelona, they would also 1310 01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:08.840 try to coincide that with Barcelona playing at home when 1311 01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:12.400 Lionel Messi was playing at the Camp new I was 1312 01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.159 guilty of it. I convinced my beautiful wife Jade, on 1313 01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:19.360 our ten year anniversary to stop in Barcelona on two 1314 01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:23.719 specific days so I could watch Lionel Messi and then 1315 01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:26.519 say to her, oh, no, I just wanted to introduce 1316 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.039 you to Lionel Messi. So I got away with it. 1317 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:31.920 What people don't understand, or at least what people have 1318 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:36.480 failed to take into context, is when Lionel Messi is 1319 01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:41.239 popping around the United States, it's effectively the same as 1320 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:43.440 when Pele was at the end of NASL with the 1321 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.440 New York New Jory or New York Cosmos, when David 1322 01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.119 Beckham was with La Galaxy, or say in particular, when 1323 01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:52.719 any of your favorite teams from abroad come to the 1324 01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:55.360 United States. Maybe not so much Tottenham, but you know 1325 01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.679 big clubs like Man United and Barcelona and Juve. 1326 01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:01.559 Unnecessarily people will spend. 1327 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.679 People will spend monopoly money to go see their team 1328 01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.039 because spence it's cheaper and it's easier than getting on 1329 01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:12.760 a plane flying abroad, spending the money on the flight, 1330 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:14.880 spending the money on the hotel, spending the money on 1331 01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:18.039 the food, spending the money on the tickets. So what 1332 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:21.119 you're creating with Lionel Messi is a once in a 1333 01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:26.360 lifetime effect to see the Peles or the Diego Maradonas 1334 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:29.360 and if you're you know, if you're an introvert, you're 1335 01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:31.519 a messy person. If you're an extrovert, you're a Ronaldo 1336 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.199 Christiano Ronaldo person to see one of these players that 1337 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:38.199 are quote unquote the best players of our generation. So 1338 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:42.840 bravo to the Houston Dynamo in recognizing that in that 1339 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:46.880 moment there's an opportunity and the disappointment of all of 1340 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.679 those fans in the state of Texas or flying in 1341 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.159 from other states to go to Houston, to go to 1342 01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:55.239 Show Energy Stadium to see the Houston Dynamo play host 1343 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.400 inter Miami. They recognize that there are a lot of 1344 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:01.719 people only coming for Lionel means, not even for inter Miami, 1345 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.239 just for Messi. But they also recognize that Spence, let's 1346 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:07.400 give them an extra ticket and see if we can 1347 01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:09.800 get them back in the building. And while they may 1348 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:12.400 be a Messi fan, they may even be an inter 1349 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:16.279 Miami fan, maybe we can be their second favorite team. 1350 01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:19.720 And I think that's what they did. Anybody tries to 1351 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.600 argue that it was naive, that it was inexperience, that 1352 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.880 it was silly, that it was dumb, they're as silly 1353 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:30.000 and naive to think that this wasn't a moment where 1354 01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:34.279 the Houston Dynamo recognized that maybe, just maybe they could 1355 01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:37.119 get a lot of crossover fans that were there just 1356 01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:41.359 for MESSI but hopefully can be you know, short term 1357 01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:44.199 and long term Houston Dynamo fans going forward. 1358 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:47.479 Is it Tito Max simply because his cocktail is Tito 1359 01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:48.239 soda line? 1360 01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:49.800 Is that as simple as what it is? 1361 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:57.800 No? No, it's too Max. Oh sometimes, but Spence, so 1362 01:08:57.960 --> 01:08:59.560 I can promise you he is Tito Max. 1363 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:01.239 Everyone's okay, fair enough. 1364 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.479 This whole time, I'm like, it's he must just dig 1365 01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:08.399 about casoda now I know the deal. Okay, all right, 1366 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:11.560 all right, but man, happy belated, always appreciate the time. 1367 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:12.359 Hope to see you soon. 1368 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.680 Okay, it sounds good bye, all right. 1369 01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:16.680 The Great Brian don Seth. 1370 01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:20.279 RSL gets a win over the weekend against Seattle at home. 1371 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:23.319 San Diego is the next opponent coming up. 1372 01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:26.000 There's no midweek games for a minute because RSL bowed 1373 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.840 out of Conker CAF Champions Cup action in a pretty 1374 01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.960 pathetic fashion. So it's let's see, We've got San Diego 1375 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.119 then a road game at Houston back against Dallas and 1376 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:36.800 then on the road against Minnesota. 1377 01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:39.279 That's your March schedule for the soccer club. All right. 1378 01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.119 Coming up next the latest with Utah men's basketball coaching search. 1379 01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:44.560 Who are the candidates? How close is it to being done? 1380 01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:46.640 Is Alex Jensen on the way. We'll get to that, 1381 01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:49.239 But Donny brought to you today are good friends at 1382 01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:51.920 Burt Brothers. With over thirty years of experience at nearly 1383 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:56.399 thirty locations, Burt Brothers ASC certified technicians bring expertise and 1384 01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:00.520 professionalism to every interaction industry leading warranties, a low price 1385 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:04.039 tire guarantees one stop shop for reliable repairs and maintenance 1386 01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.880 from tires and alignments to fluids and breaks. 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So text three 1407 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:04.800 excuse me, Text utes to three three nine eighty six 1408 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.520 for a chance to win Utah men's basketball tickets. Text 1409 01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:10.119 utes right now to three three nine eighty six for 1410 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.000 your chance to win Utah men's basketball tickets. 1411 01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.279 After Ryles stops by, Sam. 1412 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.439 Monson will join us, we'll do a little NFL combine 1413 01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:20.279 and we'll do a little NFL draft with Sam. 1414 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:23.359 Are local boys over the weekend, Brent, excuse me. 1415 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:28.279 Last week combine Indianapolis, Frank Keithy did not participate in 1416 01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:32.199 the drills, but both Karne and Junior Tafuda did himself 1417 01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:36.720 a big time, big time favor. Last week at the combine, 1418 01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:39.319 Tyler Batty showed pretty well with the bench pres didn't 1419 01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:39.960 run all that well. 1420 01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:41.039 Jalen Royals from. 1421 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.800 Utah State Top ten wide receiver type prospect Jackson Dart 1422 01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:47.039 has kind of shot up draft boards. A lot of 1423 01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:50.000 people think you might be the third best quarterback. I 1424 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:53.920 wouldn't mind, you know, the analysis even being a little 1425 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:57.560 bit more favorable. It's interesting to follow the news cycle 1426 01:11:57.560 --> 01:11:59.399 when it comes to the NFL Draft at this point 1427 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.760 as to are people high on cam Ward Titter Sanders. 1428 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:05.760 I've heard a lot of people say Jackson might be 1429 01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:07.720 even a better prospect than those two. 1430 01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:08.840 The only time will tell. 1431 01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.560 T Higgins has been franchised for the Cincinnati Bengals for 1432 01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:14.560 the second year in a row. So we'll do some 1433 01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:18.520 football in the four o'clock hour. Latest on the Utah 1434 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:24.319 men's basketball coaching search. So, as we talked about last week, 1435 01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:28.199 it looks like Alex Jensen is going to be the 1436 01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:29.119 number one target. 1437 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:30.039 Nothing official. 1438 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:34.760 I think they will interview a number of different candidates 1439 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:36.159 that's my guest. 1440 01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:36.920 Honestly, don't know. 1441 01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:39.319 I mean, I would not mind if Mark Harland has 1442 01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:42.399 landed on Alex Jensen as his number one target, if 1443 01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:44.920 you go all in on Alex. I just don't know 1444 01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:47.640 where Mark's head is at. You know, Taylor Randall, where 1445 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.319 is he in this process? And is it all about 1446 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:53.000 finding a former ute? Is it all about finding somebody 1447 01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:55.880 that will invigorate the community, or do you want to 1448 01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.640 have a more of a classic type college basketball higher 1449 01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:03.319 in you know, the image of a Richard Patino or 1450 01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:06.239 a Bryce Drue, you know, coaches that have done a 1451 01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:08.399 good job kind of at smaller schools, and then you 1452 01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:11.119 kind of go in that direction. Obviously that's what Mark 1453 01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.439 did as it pertains to the Craig Smith Higher which 1454 01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:18.239 of course ultimately didn't work. So Craig has been let go, 1455 01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:21.760 as we reported one week ago today actually that news 1456 01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:25.279 came down and now the candidates seem to be in 1457 01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:28.000 the same spot as we were a week ago. Kind 1458 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.079 of throughout the course of the week, the Alex hire 1459 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:32.760 is going to be a you know's if that's the direction. 1460 01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:35.800 It'll be interesting to watch him operate as a head 1461 01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:38.800 coach in college and are there things to be learned 1462 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:42.000 about what Kevin Young has done down at BYU with 1463 01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:44.800 how well they played since he kind of settled in. 1464 01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:47.640 BYU is ten and two in their last twelve and 1465 01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:48.640 they've won six straight. 1466 01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:51.359 But ultimately, none of this is about a vacuum. 1467 01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.039 None of this is about just a couple of weeks 1468 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:57.199 of good basketball. All of this is about laying the 1469 01:13:57.239 --> 01:14:02.880 foundation for success that can last years, right and the complication, 1470 01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:06.239 the complication, the complicated part of the modern day of 1471 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:10.199 college basketball. Like college basketball has always had turnover. One 1472 01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:13.319 and done's great freshmen or somebody that takes a huge 1473 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.600 leap between their freshmen and sophomore year and they simply 1474 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:19.560 decide to go to the draft. So turnover is always 1475 01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:22.039 a part of the college basketball scene. 1476 01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:24.840 That's why for any program to put. 1477 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:29.600 Together a decade or more of great play and advancing 1478 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.359 NCAA tournaments and extreme success on the winning side, and 1479 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:37.720 a culture that simply just breeds despite the turnover, the 1480 01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:41.600 ability to implement what you want even though you have 1481 01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:43.159 new players year and you're out. 1482 01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:44.640 Those are those are rare breeds. 1483 01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.760 That's why the term blue blood exists and the Dukes 1484 01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:49.800 of the world or the Carolinas back in the day, 1485 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:52.039 or the Kansas is more often than not not good 1486 01:14:52.079 --> 01:14:52.439 this year. 1487 01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:55.239 But you know, teams that have the ability to. 1488 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.359 Win year and year out at a high level despite 1489 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:03.439 having to teach new players exactly what they are expected 1490 01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:05.199 to do in your program. It's kind of what you know. 1491 01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:07.359 I've always liked the way Kyle just bottom lines it. 1492 01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:09.000 And by the way, Coach Waitea's going to join the 1493 01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:11.119 show on Wednesday of this week where he says, look, 1494 01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:13.560 we just need to know that you understand what we're 1495 01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:16.880 asking you to do and you're physically capable of doing it. 1496 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:19.560 I mean it just you can be as reductive as 1497 01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:24.079 doing that. So I understand you know right now the 1498 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:28.279 potential exciting feel in the community if Alex's is the guy, 1499 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.039 but if you're Mark Carlin and if you're Taylor Randalls, 1500 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:34.640 specifically if you're Mark, there's pressure to get this thing right. 1501 01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:37.960 And because there's pressure to get this thing right, Mark 1502 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.439 will do his due diligence and make sure that he 1503 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:43.439 has the right candidate. Not to excite the community for 1504 01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:46.479 one day, not to make sure that you know, season 1505 01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:49.600 tickets suddenly take a spike for one moment, but to 1506 01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:52.319 make sure that finally somebody will take this job. 1507 01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:54.840 And if we're honest, it has been since Rick. 1508 01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:58.399 It just has been since Coach majeris for somebody to 1509 01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:00.720 take this job and have it for longer than a 1510 01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:04.520 few years and have winning basketball and exciting basketball year 1511 01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:06.159 in and year out. 1512 01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:08.279 You know, Ray JACCOLETTI, Jim Boyle In. 1513 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:10.800 I thought Larry was the guy, and I think there's 1514 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:12.560 still a case to be made that maybe he was. 1515 01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:14.359 To be honest with you, but you know, there's no 1516 01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:17.079 use in talking about it now. And Craig took the 1517 01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:19.600 job with a lot of fanfare, a lot of excitement 1518 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:21.640 based off of kind of the path that he had taken. 1519 01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:26.800 But whoever this guy is, Mark will be. He will 1520 01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:30.399 be intertwined with him. There will be no way to 1521 01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:33.199 separate it because you know, the one hire Mark Carlin 1522 01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:36.640 has made on the revenue generating sports side has been Craig. 1523 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.880 He did not hire Kyle, and this succession plan to 1524 01:16:39.880 --> 01:16:42.680 have Morgan takeover for when Kyle stepped aside honestly pre 1525 01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:43.399 dated Mark. 1526 01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:45.840 So what will this hire be? 1527 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:48.720 And I can promise you if Mark Carlin sits now 1528 01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:50.760 with Alex Jensen, and they have a number of interviews 1529 01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.119 and Mark just doesn't feel like Alex either wants to 1530 01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:57.319 do this thing in a way that will last consistently 1531 01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:00.000 for a number of years, and feels like there's another 1532 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.640 candidate that he sits down with. It kind of energizes 1533 01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:05.439 him and presents a plan. Quite frankly, because that's what 1534 01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:08.520 these interviews are. Mark Skinna just ask whether it's Patino, 1535 01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:11.840 whether it's true, whether it's Alex, whether it's Andre, whoever's 1536 01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.359 across from him. Mark will ask him, what is your 1537 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:17.680 plan to rebuild this thing? And make no mistake, that's 1538 01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:19.840 what this is going to be. I don't know how 1539 01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:24.000 many of these players on the roster for the basketball 1540 01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:27.439 team right now. We'll be back, and honestly, I hate 1541 01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:29.600 to say this, I don't know that that's a bad thing. 1542 01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:33.359 You know, most of their better players, you know, upperclassmen. 1543 01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:36.479 I think you'd like Ezra back. I mean, Ezra's been really, 1544 01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:40.000 really good. He's a junior Keanu DAEs over the past 1545 01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:43.039 couple of games. Look, I don't I'm not going to 1546 01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.800 speak for Craig. I'm not going to speak for Josh Eiler. 1547 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:49.399 It just feels that Josh maybe thinks Dawes should have 1548 01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:51.319 been part of the rotation a little bit more because 1549 01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:54.239 he's received more minutes over the past couple of games, 1550 01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:58.920 and honestly, athletically he kind of stands out among his 1551 01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:02.199 teammates quite Frank Ezra's a good athlete. Kianda is like 1552 01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:04.560 an elite athlete. He's only a sophomore. I don't think 1553 01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:07.479 you'd mind have having him coming back. Hunter Erickson, who's 1554 01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:09.600 a BYU transfer, He's a senior, so this is it 1555 01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:12.319 for him. Of course, as we kind of go down 1556 01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:15.520 the roster, Caleb is a senior, the transfer who started 1557 01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:18.239 his career here and he, you know, never received a 1558 01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:21.119 bunch of consistent run. Josh Grant, who joined the show 1559 01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.920 last week, kind of painted a picture where he thought 1560 01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:27.039 Caleb should be playing more minutes lost and lovering as 1561 01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:29.039 a senior. He's had a great career obviously. Gabe is 1562 01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:31.720 a senior all time leader in three point shots. May 1563 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:35.159 just knocked down his three hundred to three against Asu Mason. 1564 01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:38.199 His brother also a senior. Sharrob Jams is a junior, 1565 01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:41.279 and that's really about it. Oh, Waleen Wallian's a sophomore. 1566 01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:43.079 I think you like Walen back, so on the roster 1567 01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:46.680 right now, maybe Jake Walleen, Ezra Sar and Keano Dawes 1568 01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:49.359 are the players you're looking at to potential. 1569 01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:50.600 Kick the tires to get him back here. 1570 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:52.479 But if you want him to come back here, first 1571 01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:54.199 of all, that will be up to the head coach 1572 01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:57.079 right whoever takes over. But it also will be up 1573 01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:01.000 to the administration on the collective side to make sure 1574 01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:02.840 that the checks that they're writing or what they need 1575 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:05.520 to be in order to inspire top talent to come here. 1576 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:09.239 I'm not fully sure what the current situation is as 1577 01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:13.039 far as recruits. They were in the fold to play 1578 01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.439 for Utah next year, but obviously they would have signed 1579 01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:17.880 to play for Craig. How many of them have decommitted, 1580 01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:19.840 How many of them have completely decided they're going to 1581 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:20.479 change direction? 1582 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:23.760 You know, I don't know. I mean, I mean BYU 1583 01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:24.319 is a little. 1584 01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:26.880 Bit different because there are a lot of kids that 1585 01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:30.840 grew up wanting simply the BYU experience. And whether it's 1586 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.760 Mark Pope or Kevin Young. You know, Richie Saunders and 1587 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:36.560 Dollen Hall had scholarship offers to go play in Lexington 1588 01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:38.399 for Mark Pope and Kentucky, but they wanted to stay 1589 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.399 in Provo, but they also were paid to stay. I 1590 01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:44.680 don't know that Utah has that same type of dynamic 1591 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.760 with players just wanting the Utah type of experience. There 1592 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:51.880 are some certain certainly Utah men. Nate Orchard talks about 1593 01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:53.800 this all the time. You know, when they was a 1594 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.800 basketball start Highland, a football start Highland, he had a 1595 01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:00.000 grip of offers and he wanted the Utah experience. Morgan Scaley, 1596 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:03.319 Utah man, Highland high football star, one of the Utah experience. 1597 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.000 So there are some out there. 1598 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:08.680 But how many basketball recruits right now that we're in 1599 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.119 the fold to potentially play for Craig next year simply 1600 01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:14.039 just want that Utah experience And they don't care if 1601 01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:17.119 it's Craig Smith or Richard Patino or Alex Jensen because 1602 01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:19.920 ultimately what it comes down to. And I've talked about 1603 01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:22.039 this and I'll continue to talk about it because I 1604 01:20:22.079 --> 01:20:24.399 think it's only fair to Craig. This is a roster 1605 01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:27.520 that badly needs an infusion of top shelf talent, whether 1606 01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:30.039 that's through the transfer portal, whether that's through you know, 1607 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:33.079 freshman commits, whatever your avenue is, you got to go 1608 01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:34.640 get talent if you want to compete with the top 1609 01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:36.800 shelf in the Big Twelve. This team was picked to 1610 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.279 finish sixteenth in the conference. There's an argument to me, 1611 01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:41.279 argument to be made that Craig actually did a good 1612 01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:44.279 job with a roster that's devoided talent. But when you're 1613 01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:47.279 the head coach, you have to wear that too. Now, 1614 01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:49.159 the good news is in this day and age of 1615 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:52.079 college basketball, with the transfer portal, you can up your 1616 01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:56.239 talent very quickly and you can turn things around within 1617 01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:59.039 one off season. So that should give you some hope. 1618 01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:00.359 But you got to get the right guy. You got 1619 01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:02.479 to fill out the bench. And are you looking at 1620 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.560 the pro model Brigham Young used. And if you hire 1621 01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:10.720 Alex Jensen, longtime NBA assistant coach, like Kevin Young longtime 1622 01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.880 assistant coach, do you follow the model where Alex's bench 1623 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.000 is littered with kind of ex pros, G League guys, 1624 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:22.840 NBA assistants. Do you go the strength and conditioning route. 1625 01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:24.680 Do you grab somebody who's in the pros? Do you 1626 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:29.039 grab the NBA nutritionists? Everything BYU has done with their 1627 01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:33.880 basketball program has been first of all supported economically on 1628 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:35.880 a very intense level. 1629 01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:37.640 In a way that I wasn't sure we would ever see. 1630 01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:39.479 But second of all, they have decided to go all 1631 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:44.279 in on the message to young players, like, look, you 1632 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:47.239 know Kevin, and Kevin talks. Look, I respect him. He's 1633 01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:49.319 a good coach. He talks about how he came from 1634 01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:52.920 the NBA every time he has a chance. And here's 1635 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:56.239 why you can sit across from aj Demants and his 1636 01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:59.439 father and say, I coach Kevin Durant, I coach Chris Paul, 1637 01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:03.000 I coached Booker. I can teach your son what he 1638 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:07.159 needs to be an NBA player, and Alex can do 1639 01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:11.439 the very same thing. Alex can say I coached Luka Doncic, 1640 01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:16.479 I coached Kyrie Irving. I helped develop Donovan Mitchell, I 1641 01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:20.319 helped develop Rudy Gobert. I can teach your son what 1642 01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:23.319 he needs to learn to be one of those dudes. 1643 01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:27.439 And that matters. Of course it does. I mean BYU 1644 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:30.159 signed the best recruit in the country last year. So 1645 01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.800 we'll see what direction we go. Nothing official as of yet, 1646 01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:34.399 but it does feel like all the signs are pointing 1647 01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:37.000 towards Alex Jensen back. 1648 01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:39.520 To Brady on the wing, guarded there by Clay Brady 1649 01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:40.439 close one. 1650 01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:42.279 Up, gets it to go in the fowl. 1651 01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:47.159 Help boutcher Brady Smith and Utah gets the win. Here 1652 01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:54.399 today Finals four, Utah ninety nine in Arizona State seventy three. 1653 01:22:55.239 --> 01:22:57.680 Really cool moments over the weekend. 1654 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:01.560 As the son of Craig Smith, I was able to 1655 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:06.600 get a and one opportunity. Brady's a good free throw shooter, 1656 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:10.000 so bummer that he was unable to convert that free throw. 1657 01:23:10.079 --> 01:23:12.680 But the voice of the Utes, who was on the 1658 01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:16.199 call as our guest on a Monday afternoon, Bill Riley, sir, how. 1659 01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:19.680 Are you Spence. I'm doing well. How's your Monday? 1660 01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:22.119 Good man? That was kind of a fun little moment, right. 1661 01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:25.560 I would imagine there were probably a few eyes in 1662 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:27.920 the crowd that weren't necessarily dry after watching that. 1663 01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:31.319 Yeah, it was. I mean anytime that those guys, you know, 1664 01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:35.159 the bomb squad, the backup guys get in, you know 1665 01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:37.479 you want those guys just chuck it. Man, you've been 1666 01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:39.920 you don't get on the floor very much. Put that ball. 1667 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.279 I know that you would have never hesitated, but put 1668 01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:46.159 that ball up. And when Brady got the opportunity there, 1669 01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:48.560 you know, it was just it was really, really cool. 1670 01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:50.399 So I was happy for him to get that bucket. 1671 01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:51.560 Would have been cool for him to hit the free 1672 01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:53.560 throw to get him to one hundred, but still a 1673 01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:54.159 nice moment. 1674 01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:56.520 Yeah, I bet Craig actually cracked on when he got 1675 01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:58.520 home as a kid, you got to make the free throw. 1676 01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:01.079 But last time we spoke. 1677 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:04.800 Bill, you were in Orlando, I believe, waiting for the 1678 01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:07.840 team to fly in. And it's been one week since 1679 01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:10.439 the news broke that Craig had been let go. So 1680 01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:12.640 now that you've had a chance to spend some time 1681 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:15.079 around the team, how do you think they're doing. How 1682 01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:16.840 do you think they're holding up, and how do you 1683 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:18.600 think the news is landed with them? 1684 01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:23.199 I think surprisingly well spent. I mean again, changes are 1685 01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:26.720 never easy, but mid you know, in season changes are 1686 01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:29.960 especially tough. But they didn't get off the great start 1687 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:34.039 against Arizona, but they competed, played Arizona almost to a 1688 01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.920 dead dead even in the second half, and then they 1689 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:40.920 came out Saturday and it was it was, you know, 1690 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:43.239 it was I don't know, maybe because there was a 1691 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:45.880 little bit of time between the change in leadership and 1692 01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:49.840 everything else, but they just seem to play loose and 1693 01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:52.079 they looked like they were having fun. Now, you know, 1694 01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:55.960 winning is always much more fun than losing and beating 1695 01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:58.439 up on Arizona State, because you know they were they 1696 01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:01.199 were not very good. Saturday is fun too, but there 1697 01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:04.119 was just a looseness of bunch about the group on 1698 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:07.159 Saturday and a lot of high fighting and smiles and 1699 01:25:07.239 --> 01:25:10.119 all that stuff. So yeah, I think they're dealing with 1700 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:12.199 it as well or better than you could probably expect. 1701 01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:16.319 So I've drawn this parallel couple different times when the 1702 01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:19.640 football team moved on from coach lud and Mike Pajakian 1703 01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:23.960 took over as the play caller. Mike's first media availability, 1704 01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:26.439 he was very honest. He said, look, this is Andy system, 1705 01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:28.720 and you know there's nothing I'm going to do at 1706 01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:31.159 this point in the season to change what he's implemented. 1707 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:35.319 And so I wondered if coach Eiler would change anything 1708 01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:38.399 as far as what Craig has already put in place, 1709 01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:40.479 because it's just hard to make changes at this point 1710 01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:42.479 of the season. But one thing we have seen is 1711 01:25:42.479 --> 01:25:46.560 more minutes for Keanu. Kiano does right and athletically that 1712 01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:50.760 kid matches up. So your thoughts on the improved or 1713 01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:53.479 I should say, accelerated minutes for Keano And have you 1714 01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:56.720 seen anything else that coach Eiltz tried to do that's 1715 01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:58.720 a little bit different than what Craig was trying to do. 1716 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:02.319 I think, And he said this in the first pregame 1717 01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:05.039 chat we did at Arizona, and he reiterated it again 1718 01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:09.680 on Saturday, Spence, he was going to reward hard play 1719 01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:14.239 and effort with more minutes, and so maybe that's why 1720 01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:17.800 you saw Catta DAW's getting more minutes. Kano is he 1721 01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:19.880 is a talent Spence. I think he's going to be 1722 01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:22.560 a guy that whoever the new coach is that comes 1723 01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:25.600 in really puts the full court press on to keep 1724 01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:28.680 this kid around because he is really good and I 1725 01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:31.680 think his upside is there. But you've seen more minutes 1726 01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.439 the last couple of games from Mason Madison as well. 1727 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:37.119 You know, Mason's a guy that's well traveled, he's a senior, 1728 01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:40.239 but he plays really hard and he's given Josh good 1729 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:43.000 effort and his minutes have gone up a little bit too. 1730 01:26:43.079 --> 01:26:48.319 So I don't know that, you know, philosophically or strategically, 1731 01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:50.880 they've done a whole lot different. You know, when they 1732 01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:53.159 don't throw the ball all over the gym, and they 1733 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:56.800 value the basketball. Keep those turnovers down. They've been competitive 1734 01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:59.239 all year long, and they did that obviously guess Arizona State. 1735 01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:01.199 But I think the one thing that he has done 1736 01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:04.119 is really rewarded guys that have really busted their butts 1737 01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:05.520 and given good effort. 1738 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:07.319 How big is Josh Eiler. 1739 01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:10.720 He looks like he's like a big strong He looks 1740 01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:11.720 like a football coach. 1741 01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:15.840 Yeah, he's about six five sixty six. He played basketball league. 1742 01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:18.359 He was a walk on at Kansas State and that's 1743 01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:22.800 where he connected with Bob Huggins. So that's and he 1744 01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:24.760 was with Huggins for a year at Kansas State as 1745 01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:27.960 a grad assistant and then fifteen or sixteen years at 1746 01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:29.560 West Virginia with it. But he had Josh is a 1747 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:30.000 big guy. 1748 01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:32.840 Yeah, I couldn't really tell the first time I saw him, like, 1749 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:34.920 who is that football coach on the sideline? 1750 01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:35.680 That's a big boy. 1751 01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:39.640 But so look, if I asked you to get weird 1752 01:27:39.680 --> 01:27:42.880 for a moment, to expand your imagination, Like the Long 1753 01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:46.880 Beach State coach last year was called into the office 1754 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:49.640 of his boss and told that he was going to 1755 01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:53.039 be relieved of his duties, and they marched on to 1756 01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:56.399 won their conference tournament and went to the NCAA Tournament. 1757 01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:59.439 No part of me is predicting anything like that, but 1758 01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:02.520 March is wild in college hoops. Rest of the way, 1759 01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:05.159 you know, win one for the gift for type approach. 1760 01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:06.800 How do you think the rest of the year and 1761 01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.079 then into the Big twelve tournament's gonna look for this team. 1762 01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:11.479 I think they're gonna play really hard. I think they've 1763 01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:14.359 got a really good chance tomorrow night in the Senior 1764 01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:17.479 Night game, because they played really hard at West Virginia 1765 01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:21.000 there again downfall Spence. I sound like I'm repeating myself here, 1766 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:23.039 but they turned the ball over and we're really loose 1767 01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:25.880 with the basketball. It's hard to do that against good 1768 01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:29.079 now West Virginia is it's hard to describe them because 1769 01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:31.960 they're eight and ten in conference play, but they've got 1770 01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:34.720 some good wins, Their net records pretty good. They should 1771 01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:36.319 probably be a little better than they are, but they're 1772 01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:39.560 not bad. They're a fringe tournament team. But you can't 1773 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:41.680 do that on the road anywhere. So if they value 1774 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.039 the basketball tomorrow night, they've got a chance. Because that 1775 01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:46.720 game was a single digit game to West Virginia made 1776 01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:49.560 some free throws, late, and then by used rivalry game. 1777 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:52.399 They've already beaten BYU once. Now BYU is playing really 1778 01:28:52.439 --> 01:28:54.720 good basketball right now, but you and I have both 1779 01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:57.039 been around long enough to know rivalry games are funny 1780 01:28:57.039 --> 01:28:59.840 things and if you make some shots or another team 1781 01:28:59.880 --> 01:29:01.560 is making some size So I think they've got a 1782 01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:04.079 really good chance in these next two games, and then 1783 01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:06.319 they're going to be somewhere depending on you know, if 1784 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:07.960 they go oh to two to one and one two 1785 01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:10.920 and oh, they could be anywhere from a seven seed 1786 01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.520 and get a buy which is a long shot because 1787 01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:15.600 it's the other teams have to do some stuff to 1788 01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:18.239 a nine or a ten or eleven seed, so they're 1789 01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:20.560 likely still going to play on that first day of 1790 01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:23.119 the tournament in Kansas City. But if they're in that 1791 01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:25.760 ten to eleven range, you know, they might be playing 1792 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:27.840 a TCU, a team they beat on the road this 1793 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:30.680 year already, or a Baylor team that they played really tough. 1794 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:34.159 So again, I don't have any hard and fast predictions, 1795 01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:36.159 but I know that this team, when they value the 1796 01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:38.800 basketball and rebounded pretty well, and you've got a lot 1797 01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:41.119 of seniors that I might be playing their last games, 1798 01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:42.880 they could have a chance to win a few games 1799 01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:43.960 here in the next couple of weeks. 1800 01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.760 So you're reference Kuanto count of Daz, who right now 1801 01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:51.560 is a sophomore, and I would imagine with his kind 1802 01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:53.640 of incremental growth, you'd like to see what it looks 1803 01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:56.640 like when he's actually fully baked as a player. So 1804 01:29:56.840 --> 01:29:59.000 I think you'd like to have him back. Ezra is 1805 01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:02.439 a junior. He's shown growth. I think that's a talent 1806 01:30:02.479 --> 01:30:04.880 you wouldn't mind having in your program. And then I 1807 01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:06.800 guess the other player would be Jay Jake Wally and 1808 01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:10.520 who's a sophomore. You know, Caleb Senior lost and senior 1809 01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:14.600 Gave Masons Sharb Jams is a junior. Who do you 1810 01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:17.239 think this program is going to make a full core 1811 01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:19.520 press to try to get back on the roster for 1812 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:20.119 next season. 1813 01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:23.199 Well, obviously that depends on the higher and how they 1814 01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:25.560 value these guys. But all those guys that you just mentioned, 1815 01:30:25.640 --> 01:30:29.159 I you know, Ezrasar is averaging almost twenty points a 1816 01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:32.359 game at about seven rebounds in his last five games. 1817 01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:34.920 He's playing at a really high level. He's also beginning 1818 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:37.119 to hit his free throws. And I'll tell you, Mike, 1819 01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:41.520 Mike sharof Joms when he is like the other day, 1820 01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:44.039 he had fourteen points and six assists in that win 1821 01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:48.720 over Arizona State. I like his talent too. While Lean 1822 01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:52.239 and Dawes, if you could keep and again, it's hard 1823 01:30:52.279 --> 01:30:54.199 to say in this day and age of college basketball 1824 01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:56.880 because these guys all you know, have the wandering eye. 1825 01:30:57.439 --> 01:30:59.880 But whoever the coach is that comes in, if he 1826 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.560 could retain those guys you were just talking about, that's 1827 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:06.119 a really nice base to work with and some good 1828 01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:09.520 young players to build around in what you do in 1829 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:13.159 recruiting and the portal and high school and transfers and 1830 01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:16.199 everything else. So you know, I think whoever the guy 1831 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.039 is is going to have to evaluate the talent for sure. 1832 01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:22.039 But if you could keep three or four of those 1833 01:31:22.079 --> 01:31:24.800 guys you mentioned, maybe that's a long shot. I don't 1834 01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:27.199 know because I'm not any of those guys. But if 1835 01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:28.680 you could keep three or four of those guys, I 1836 01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:30.399 think you'd be in pretty good shape with a good 1837 01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:33.079 base to start from for whoever the new staff is. 1838 01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:36.159 Yeah, And ultimately, you know, if you get two or 1839 01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:39.399 three back, or if you get zero back, it doesn't 1840 01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:42.039 you know, it doesn't change the fact this roster needs 1841 01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:42.960 a massive upgrade. 1842 01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:43.239 Now. 1843 01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:46.119 The good news is, in this day and age, you 1844 01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:48.880 can do it within a year in an expedited way 1845 01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:51.119 that you weren't able to prior to. And I know 1846 01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:53.119 a lot of people don't love the transfer portal. And 1847 01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:56.399 we'll see what the house versus NCAA settlement brings. If 1848 01:31:56.439 --> 01:31:58.680 these players are going to be asked to sign contracts 1849 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:00.479 where you stick around for two year years with an 1850 01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:02.000 option for a third or whatever. 1851 01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:04.199 Nobody really fully knows. 1852 01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:08.119 But I wonder if you have any insight on recruits 1853 01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:11.640 that were, you know, ready to play for Craig and 1854 01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:13.800 talent there was ready to play for Craig and whether 1855 01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:17.119 or not this program is you know, and when when 1856 01:32:17.600 --> 01:32:20.000 Mark decided to move on from Larry, they lost a 1857 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:22.279 grip of good players, a lot of talent. Are we 1858 01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:25.119 expecting the same thing and actodus of talent either on 1859 01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:27.319 the roster or on the way. 1860 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:29.439 To play here with with Craig losing his job. 1861 01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:32.760 Honestly, I don't know either way. Spence the on the 1862 01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:35.119 roster stuff, I don't know. They've got the one kid, 1863 01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:39.239 Krag they've had Frank Jackson's little brother committed. He's a 1864 01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:43.840 Salt Lake Community College player. Everybody remembers Frank Jackson played 1865 01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:47.720 in the NBA and obviously at Loam Peak, and in 1866 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:50.640 some of my conversations with Craig he would he never 1867 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:54.359 got specific with me about who they were targeting. He 1868 01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:57.399 just said they felt good about some people they were 1869 01:32:57.439 --> 01:32:59.760 talking to. And I don't know if that was, you know, 1870 01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:03.399 potential transfers, or if that was high school kids or 1871 01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:06.199 what it might have been. So I'm a little bit 1872 01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:08.760 more in the dark on the recruiting side of things 1873 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:12.000 right now. And to be very fair, I think a 1874 01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:13.920 lot of people are in that same position. There's a 1875 01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:16.640 handful of programs that go out and you know, sign 1876 01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:20.680 some of these top ten, fifteen, twenty high school kids. 1877 01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:23.239 But I think a lot of these guys are coming 1878 01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:25.560 in and saying, Okay, we're going to use the portal 1879 01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:28.520 to rebuild this thing. I used tj Otzelberger as an 1880 01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:31.079 example at Iowa State when he took that job. When 1881 01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:33.079 he left UNLV and took that job, I think Iowa 1882 01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:36.239 Stated had two or three wins the year before, and 1883 01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:40.479 he came in and in that first year he lost 1884 01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:42.600 a ton of talent at Iowa State and brought a 1885 01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:46.079 bunch of transfers in the next year they were competitive, 1886 01:33:46.119 --> 01:33:47.720 and then the year after that they were, you know, 1887 01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:50.600 competing for the big twelve titles. So if you do 1888 01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:53.399 it right in the portal and mix that with some 1889 01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:55.960 high school or developmental kids that are in your program, 1890 01:33:56.800 --> 01:33:59.399 you know, the right person could turn it around pretty quickly. 1891 01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:03.000 I know that you are unable to comment on the 1892 01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:06.119 majority of the stuff surrounding the coaching search, but I 1893 01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:08.680 will ask you, are you aware of any sort of 1894 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:12.680 time frame that Mark and maybe President Randall have in 1895 01:34:12.720 --> 01:34:15.680 mind before they want to land because you can't slow play, 1896 01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:17.199 you know, you got to have your guy in play. 1897 01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:19.960 So are you aware of any time frame that is 1898 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:21.920 preferable for the athletic department? 1899 01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:26.840 Yeah, the proverbial sooner rather than later is always good. 1900 01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:29.520 But I haven't been told any certain timeline on any 1901 01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:33.119 of that stuff. So I think one of the reasons 1902 01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:36.359 why the change was made a week ago today was 1903 01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:38.479 to get a jump start on it, get a head 1904 01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:41.800 start on it, and really get ahead of the game. 1905 01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.760 And so I think they probably again would just assume, 1906 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:48.279 having done it a week ago, are probably down the 1907 01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:49.920 road at least a little bit on it. 1908 01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:54.840 Tell me what in conversations you have with people around town, 1909 01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:59.439 friends of yours, you know, people that the care Avaluuta 1910 01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:03.279 Athletic away from your job as the voice and director 1911 01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:06.560 of broadcasting, because we have a bunch of different options, 1912 01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:08.199 We have a bunch of different avenues, We have a 1913 01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:11.800 bunch of different concepts and theories about how you can 1914 01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:15.439 go about this. What do people say to you about 1915 01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:17.520 what they helped this hire looks like in order for 1916 01:35:17.560 --> 01:35:18.960 them to support this program. 1917 01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:23.800 I think, and maybe I said it with you, or 1918 01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:26.840 I've been on your show and Scott's show and Sean's show. 1919 01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:29.199 But the people I talk to and you and I 1920 01:35:29.239 --> 01:35:33.640 have some common friends, they're older guys. They're not old guys, 1921 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:37.159 but they're older guys now, and they can remember when 1922 01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:40.920 Utah was really good consistently at basketball in the late 1923 01:35:40.960 --> 01:35:44.880 eighties and the nineties, the early two thousands, and most 1924 01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:46.680 of the guys that are friends of mine, that are 1925 01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:50.920 Utah grads or ties to the Utah program are just 1926 01:35:51.239 --> 01:35:54.479 wanting to get that glimmer, wanting it to be I 1927 01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:57.319 just think there's a lot of Utah fans Spence that 1928 01:35:57.399 --> 01:36:00.840 are on the precipice, you know, and that guy when 1929 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:03.960 that coach gets in there that you really see turns 1930 01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:06.359 the corner a little bit. I think it opens the 1931 01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:08.960 floodgate for support, and I think the people are just 1932 01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:11.640 are itching to get back to the Huntsman Center. And 1933 01:36:11.680 --> 01:36:13.520 I've just had a lot of people that are you 1934 01:36:13.560 --> 01:36:16.239 know that that are really anxious to see who the 1935 01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:19.399 guy is here that is hired, because I think there's 1936 01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:21.439 a lot of people that really want to get back 1937 01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:23.720 out to your point, I think you brought it up 1938 01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:25.359 with me a week ago, there's no reason you can't 1939 01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:28.119 be a football at a basketball school. Lots of schools 1940 01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:29.560 do it well, and I think there's a lot of 1941 01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:31.800 people that are just like, ah, I can't wait to 1942 01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:34.600 see who this is because I really want to be 1943 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:37.479 back at the Huntsman Center and seeing that great brand 1944 01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:39.520 of basketball that I saw when I was in college 1945 01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:40.279 or in high school. 1946 01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:41.479 Yep, yep. 1947 01:36:41.560 --> 01:36:43.880 And if there's a coach that's hired that's able to 1948 01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:46.199 build this thing up where they win and they play 1949 01:36:46.439 --> 01:36:50.800 entertaining basketball and somewhat consistent, I'm entirely confident this community 1950 01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:54.439 will show up for that. I wondered because I hadn't 1951 01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:55.359 had a chance to ask you this. 1952 01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:57.239 I believe it was Florida State. 1953 01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:01.600 I think there are three or four big programs who 1954 01:37:01.600 --> 01:37:05.279 have canceled their spring games. Nebraska things doing it. They're 1955 01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:07.800 just not doing spring football. They're doing spring football, but 1956 01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:09.439 they're not doing spring games anymore. 1957 01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:11.600 Do you think this is something. 1958 01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:14.000 That could seep into the culture of college football where 1959 01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:15.960 we just see a lot of teams doing away with it. 1960 01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:19.079 Yeah, I do. I think you know, Florida State did. 1961 01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:23.640 Nebraska did. I think they use the guys of renovations 1962 01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:25.920 to their stadium for doing it. But that's a big deal. 1963 01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:29.439 Nebraska gets eighty thousand people because there's nothing else to 1964 01:37:29.439 --> 01:37:31.479 do in Nebraska, but they get eighty thousand people for 1965 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:34.079 their spring game, so they cancel their spring game. Is 1966 01:37:34.119 --> 01:37:36.760 a really really big deal. And there was somebody else. 1967 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:38.560 You're right there at usc usc All. 1968 01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:39.279 Yeah, that's right too. 1969 01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:43.479 So I think we'll probably see more of it. I 1970 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:46.279 know that Kyle Whittingham didn't have any plans to do 1971 01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:48.199 it this year. I was talking to some people today 1972 01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:51.800 and he's still good doing that spring game. I think 1973 01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:54.359 we may end up getting to a point spence where 1974 01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:57.359 it's not so much the game that's important, but it's 1975 01:37:57.399 --> 01:38:00.840 a spring gathering to where people feel like they get 1976 01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:04.079 to connect to their football program in the spring, whether 1977 01:38:04.159 --> 01:38:06.760 that's a scrimmage, whether it's a practice, and then you 1978 01:38:06.840 --> 01:38:10.119 get to have kind of a fan fest after practice, 1979 01:38:10.439 --> 01:38:13.079 because to be very fair, most of these spring games 1980 01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:16.680 are just glorified practices. Anyway. They might go for a 1981 01:38:16.760 --> 01:38:18.720 quarter or a quarter and a half and then it's kind 1982 01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:20.880 of like a you know, and they hold a lot 1983 01:38:20.880 --> 01:38:23.359 of guys out. So I think fans like to come 1984 01:38:23.399 --> 01:38:26.840 to the stadium. If they were watching a high end practice, 1985 01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:29.000 I think they'd be okay with that too. But I 1986 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:31.760 do know at Utah there's no plans at least while 1987 01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:34.359 Kyle Whittingham is coached to cancel it right now, all. 1988 01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:35.079 Right, I know you got to go. 1989 01:38:35.159 --> 01:38:36.640 But before I say, you lose, since we're in the 1990 01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:39.319 football space, spring camp for the Utes is Thursday in 1991 01:38:39.359 --> 01:38:43.000 March twentieth BYU already in action, the twenty two Forever 1992 01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:47.199 game Saturday, April nineteenth. Fifteen practices over the course of 1993 01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:49.399 five weeks. Just give me a couple of things you're 1994 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:51.439 hoping to learn about a team that's going to look 1995 01:38:51.479 --> 01:38:53.039 a lot different than it did a year ago. 1996 01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:57.000 I think I want to see first of all, Devin 1997 01:38:57.079 --> 01:38:59.960 damp Pier, because I, like everybody else, has watched lost 1998 01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:02.359 lots of New Mexico tape from a year ago, and 1999 01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:06.600 he's he appears to be a really dynamic football player. 2000 01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:10.479 I want to see how quickly and maybe it doesn't 2001 01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:13.159 happen in the spring in fifteen practices, or maybe it does. 2002 01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:17.479 You know, Jason Beck's offense takes with a lot of 2003 01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:19.840 new faces. You know, the offensive line is going to 2004 01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:21.960 be pretty much the same, but the receiver room's going 2005 01:39:21.960 --> 01:39:24.479 to be a lot different, the running back room's going 2006 01:39:24.520 --> 01:39:26.600 to be a lot different, and the quarterback position is 2007 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:27.960 going to be a lot different, and they're not going 2008 01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:29.840 to play as many tight ends. They've already said that 2009 01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:33.319 his personnel is a lot more eleven personnel instead of 2010 01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:37.479 thirteen personnel. So I'm really curious to see how all 2011 01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:42.199 those moving pieces on offense work. And you don't get 2012 01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:44.640 to see a lot defensively because they don't do a 2013 01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:47.560 lot of big hitting. But I am just a little 2014 01:39:47.560 --> 01:39:51.079 curious to see how the corner spot looks and how 2015 01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:53.560 they fill in some of the voids on the defensive line. 2016 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:57.079 Losing some guys to transfer into too graduation, so those 2017 01:39:57.119 --> 01:39:58.960 are a couple of the areas I'm curious with, but 2018 01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:00.560 I think I'm going to be like a lot of people. 2019 01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:04.079 I'm gonna have my eyes on what the offense looked like. 2020 01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:06.560 And you know, Kyle was really pointed in saying, Hey, 2021 01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:10.520 you can't have one of these really super intricate, thick 2022 01:40:10.640 --> 01:40:14.079 playbooks anymore because you don't have two and three and 2023 01:40:14.199 --> 01:40:17.680 four years to you know, integrate guys into that offense 2024 01:40:17.720 --> 01:40:21.439 and learn it. So to that point, let's see how 2025 01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:26.079 quickly Jason Beck's offense allows players to assimilate to it. 2026 01:40:26.199 --> 01:40:27.479 So that's kind of what I'm looking at. 2027 01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:29.840 Well, it's always good to have football to talk about. 2028 01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:32.159 So just a couple of weeks away, Roles, appreciate the time, buddy, 2029 01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:32.720 have a good week. 2030 01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:33.039 Okay. 2031 01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:36.199 By the way, what's the what's the vibe about Utah 2032 01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:38.520 basketball on the Asian Posse group text? 2033 01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:40.439 You know what, let me kick the tires and I'll 2034 01:40:40.479 --> 01:40:42.159 get back to you. That's a very important question I 2035 01:40:42.199 --> 01:40:42.920 had not considered. 2036 01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:43.159 Bill. 2037 01:40:43.199 --> 01:40:45.279 Thank you for reminding me. I'm going to stand the text. 2038 01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:46.960 Now, will do? Thanks Bence. 2039 01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:48.119 All right, Bill Riley. 2040 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:52.079 The Utah Men's Basketball Coaches Show will be tonight at six. 2041 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:54.279 So if you want to get to know Josh Eilert 2042 01:40:54.279 --> 01:40:56.680 a little bit more, stay tuned. Right after we saygo I, 2043 01:40:56.720 --> 01:40:59.119 Bill's gonna have the Coaches Show with Coach Eilert. 2044 01:40:59.039 --> 01:41:02.039 As a big man's big dude. I was watching a coach. 2045 01:41:02.079 --> 01:41:04.159 I'm like, that looks like a football coach on the sideline, 2046 01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:05.479 So stay tuned for that. 2047 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:06.119 Coming up. 2048 01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:07.520 On the other side, though, we're going to bring in 2049 01:41:07.720 --> 01:41:12.680 Sam Monson to cover some football, some NFL combine, NFL 2050 01:41:12.760 --> 01:41:13.399 Draft stuff. 2051 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:15.399 Bill brought to you today by our friends. 2052 01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:17.279 Of Burt Brothers, with over thirty years of experience in 2053 01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:22.319 nearly thirty locations. Burt Brothers, as certified technicians, bring expertise 2054 01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:25.920 and professionalism to every interaction industry leading warranties a low 2055 01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:28.960 price tire guarantees. 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BYU has a big 2074 01:42:20.079 --> 01:42:24.000 one at Iowa State in Ames and then the Jazz 2075 01:42:24.039 --> 01:42:26.479 are at action tonight against the red hot Detroit Pistons. 2076 01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:28.000 I don't know the last time I was able to 2077 01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:29.159 say that sentence out loud. 2078 01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:30.479 But let's see a little more football. 2079 01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:33.840 NFL Draft is riding around the corner April twenty fourth 2080 01:42:33.880 --> 01:42:37.239 through the twenty sixth, and it's gonna be inside and 2081 01:42:37.359 --> 01:42:40.319 around lambeau Field where the Packers play. 2082 01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:42.239 Our next guest is in front of the show. 2083 01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:44.079 It's been a minute, but Sam Monson back on the 2084 01:42:44.159 --> 01:42:45.319 Drive on a Monday afternoon. 2085 01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:46.399 Happy Monday, Sam, how are. 2086 01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:48.680 You doing well? How about you? 2087 01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:50.119 O'm good man. I appreciate your time. 2088 01:42:50.119 --> 01:42:52.359 First of all, give me your thoughts on what you 2089 01:42:52.399 --> 01:42:55.239 think the draft's gonna look like like when you how 2090 01:42:55.279 --> 01:42:57.840 are they going to like logistically, how is this gonna work? 2091 01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:00.000 Because when I look at the NFL website it says 2092 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:02.479 it's going to be inside and around Lambeau Field. 2093 01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:03.199 What does that mean? 2094 01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:06.640 Yeah, it's a good question. I think they're kind of 2095 01:43:07.159 --> 01:43:10.760 basically taking over a block or two right outside the 2096 01:43:10.760 --> 01:43:15.960 stadium and kind of creating the entire thing from one 2097 01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:18.880 end of Lambeau to facing a way for it down 2098 01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:22.720 down that kind of tidle town little stretch of road there. 2099 01:43:22.720 --> 01:43:26.199 I think it'll be a pretty spectacular looking thing once 2100 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:28.119 they've got it all done and arranged. 2101 01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:31.720 Huh interesting, well out of the box thinking. I guess 2102 01:43:31.760 --> 01:43:34.439 you got to like that. So Sam, from your vantage 2103 01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:38.279 point when it comes to analyzing the combine what is 2104 01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:41.920 real and what is just for TV entertainment, it's always 2105 01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:44.600 interesting to me as far as how much of this 2106 01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:46.119 is just kind of a show and how much of 2107 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:48.720 this is actually real when it comes to what you 2108 01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:50.920 see these players go through. How much of this is 2109 01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:54.000 think you know, things you think are actually tangible and 2110 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:54.880 we can learn from. 2111 01:43:56.000 --> 01:43:58.199 Yeah, well, the NFL does a really good job of 2112 01:43:58.319 --> 01:44:01.800 turning everything in the calendar these days into some kind 2113 01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:04.960 of TV event and some kind of Muth's watch entertainment. 2114 01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:07.039 You know, It's not like it used to be, where 2115 01:44:07.039 --> 01:44:11.239 it was just the season, the postseason, and then everyone 2116 01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:14.079 went away for nine months, you know, and came back 2117 01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:17.520 again did it all over again. Now the NFL calendar 2118 01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:20.600 is almost three sixty five days a year, and they're 2119 01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:23.760 really good at making an event out of everything. But 2120 01:44:23.880 --> 01:44:26.520 there's substance behind it as well. And that's not to 2121 01:44:26.560 --> 01:44:29.800 say it's all of the puzzle. And I think NFL 2122 01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:33.520 teams everybody has gotten a lot better at not getting 2123 01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:37.640 too carried away by workout numbers and letting it override 2124 01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:39.880 all of the other data points that you have and 2125 01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:43.279 all the other information in particular you know, the tape 2126 01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:46.359 and your evaluation from scouts. But it is a piece 2127 01:44:46.359 --> 01:44:49.279 of the puzzle and understanding, you know, a lot of 2128 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:53.279 the athleticism work is about thresholds and does this guy 2129 01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:56.840 that you think is a good player and has you know, 2130 01:44:57.039 --> 01:44:59.920 good tape and attributes that you want to buy into, 2131 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:03.159 does he have the measurables that you know, year's worth 2132 01:45:03.199 --> 01:45:06.640 of data have sort of said, if he's above this threshold, 2133 01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:08.880 it can play in the NFL, or if he doesn't. 2134 01:45:08.920 --> 01:45:11.760 If he falls below those numbers, you know, then you 2135 01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:14.359 have a discussion to have about whether you want to 2136 01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:17.520 start chasing exceptions or if you just write this guy 2137 01:45:17.560 --> 01:45:19.359 off even if you liked him beforehand. 2138 01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:23.039 Give me a couple couple of winners Combine winners. Some 2139 01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:27.319 players you think helped themselves the most in Indianapolis. 2140 01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:29.520 Yeah, I mean I think there were quite a few 2141 01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:34.960 of them overall. Nick em and Wori, the South Carolina safety, 2142 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:37.960 I mean, he had one of the best performances of 2143 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:41.840 any player at the Combine. Absolutely spectacular at you know, 2144 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:45.399 six three, two hundred and twenty pounds to jump a 2145 01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:48.239 forty three inch vertical and have the kind of numbers 2146 01:45:48.279 --> 01:45:50.479 across the board that he did, speed numbers and all 2147 01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:53.640 those kinds of things. That was a spectacular performance by 2148 01:45:53.720 --> 01:45:56.800 him and can only be propelling him upwards. I thought 2149 01:45:56.800 --> 01:45:58.720 a couple of the edge rushers that we thought would 2150 01:45:58.760 --> 01:46:02.720 run well did James Junior from Tennessee, Schamar Stewart from 2151 01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:05.399 Texas A and M Those guys were supposed to be 2152 01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:09.640 impressive athletes and they were today. Barn the Texas do 2153 01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:12.239 what all defensive bank For him to come out, I mean, 2154 01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:14.920 he's getting a lot of comps to Bryan Branch, the 2155 01:46:15.239 --> 01:46:19.119 former Alabama star defensive bank who's now become a great 2156 01:46:19.119 --> 01:46:21.920 player for the Detroit Lions. Baron ran a four to 2157 01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:24.319 four flat. I mean Branch slipped into the second round 2158 01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:26.960 because he ran in the four to five. So for 2159 01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:28.720 Baron to go out there and put that kind of 2160 01:46:28.720 --> 01:46:31.800 time out there shows that he can be a genuine 2161 01:46:32.119 --> 01:46:34.680 player pretty much any spot in the secondary. 2162 01:46:35.319 --> 01:46:38.439 On the other side of things, a couple of players 2163 01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:41.439 that disappointed that didn't have a great week to have 2164 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:43.399 some work to do if they want to improve their stock. 2165 01:46:44.439 --> 01:46:46.319 Yeah, I don't think there were too many that had 2166 01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:51.840 really rough days. Dean Walker, the Kentucky nose tackle. He 2167 01:46:51.880 --> 01:46:54.640 didn't run a forty, but his jumps were pretty pedestrian. 2168 01:46:55.560 --> 01:46:59.159 He wasn't as big, I think as kind of he 2169 01:46:59.359 --> 01:47:02.159 was during the Seas, So either he was never that 2170 01:47:02.199 --> 01:47:04.600 big in the first place, or he's lost weight and 2171 01:47:04.680 --> 01:47:08.039 lost signs, you know, presumably to try and show that 2172 01:47:08.079 --> 01:47:10.920 he can be a really good athlete, and hasn't yet 2173 01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:13.560 put that out there. So for a guy whose tape 2174 01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:17.119 is up and down and is inconsistent. But the billing 2175 01:47:17.159 --> 01:47:19.439 on him the book was he would be a spectacular 2176 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:21.479 athlete and the guy you want to buy into because 2177 01:47:21.479 --> 01:47:24.479 of that. Didn't really show that or hasn't really shown 2178 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:27.680 that so far between the Senior Bowl and the combine 2179 01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:32.479 ten Johnson from Oregon not necessarily a bad workout, but 2180 01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:34.920 he showed up at one hundred and fifty four pounds, 2181 01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:36.880 which I think everyone kind of knew, you know, we 2182 01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:40.319 knew he would be in and around that size, but 2183 01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:43.800 his kind of composite workout was it was weird. I mean, 2184 01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:46.039 he ran in the four fives, which is a bad 2185 01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:48.840 time for a guy that size. His ten yard split 2186 01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:52.399 wasn't spectacular, but he ran a three cone that was 2187 01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:56.520 properly elite six to sixth type of three cone. So 2188 01:47:56.640 --> 01:47:59.680 he's the classic quicker rather than fast type of player. 2189 01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:02.279 But also he then showed that he had the fastest 2190 01:48:02.600 --> 01:48:05.199 miles per hour figure of anybody during the drills, And 2191 01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:09.399 that's a new sort of aspect of the combine. These 2192 01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:11.920 days you're seeing some of the tracking data being put 2193 01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:15.520 into effect and live action, and not during the forty 2194 01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:19.119 but during the actual receiver drills. As Johnson was the 2195 01:48:19.159 --> 01:48:22.279 fastest guy out there running a go route. So just 2196 01:48:22.319 --> 01:48:25.359 a strange sort of profile of a guy who you 2197 01:48:25.399 --> 01:48:28.039 know looks quicker than fast, but then does show that 2198 01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:31.119 when you actually get him doing football things, the playing 2199 01:48:31.159 --> 01:48:33.920 speed is probably a lot better than that four or 2200 01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:34.520 five number. 2201 01:48:35.760 --> 01:48:40.720 Most importantly, Sam, were you present for the Ian Rappaport, 2202 01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:43.760 Jordan Schultz back and forth? I mean, the biggest story 2203 01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:45.880 to come out of the combine by far right. 2204 01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:48.800 It was. I was telling my wife that during the 2205 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:51.920 week that you know, this is all anybody is talking 2206 01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:55.079 about today, and that's not a great endorsement of what's 2207 01:48:55.119 --> 01:48:56.600 happening during the week, that this. 2208 01:48:56.720 --> 01:48:58.239 Was such a big story. 2209 01:48:58.319 --> 01:49:01.279 Sadly, I think I missed it by about forty five minutes. 2210 01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:03.760 I had been at that Starbucks on the way by, 2211 01:49:04.319 --> 01:49:06.680 and then forty five minutes later I see that this 2212 01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:09.920 story had gotten down and I can't believe that. I mean, 2213 01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:12.880 this is where it's like Grand Central Station, It's where 2214 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:16.279 everybody is for a lot of that combine. Meetings take 2215 01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:19.119 place there, all this kind of stuff. So it must 2216 01:49:19.159 --> 01:49:22.239 have happened in front of you know, ten fifteen journalists, 2217 01:49:22.640 --> 01:49:25.359 and not one of these guys has tracked down the 2218 01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:29.039 CCTV footage, the security tape to show us exactly what happened. 2219 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:33.960 I'm disappointed in my journalist colleagues. 2220 01:49:34.479 --> 01:49:36.760 I'm with you and Sam over the years, as you 2221 01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:39.079 stop by, you seem like a really friendly guy. But 2222 01:49:39.159 --> 01:49:41.399 I will ask you, have you ever had a beef 2223 01:49:41.439 --> 01:49:43.319 with another media member that has led to like an 2224 01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:44.359 in personal tercation. 2225 01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:49.239 I don't think so, actually, I think. I mean I've 2226 01:49:49.279 --> 01:49:52.239 had some sort of you know, Twitter spots with people, 2227 01:49:52.279 --> 01:49:53.880 but I don't think it's ever led to the point 2228 01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:57.640 where when you see them in person it's been a 2229 01:49:57.880 --> 01:50:01.319 major problem as we I don't think I've ever reached 2230 01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:03.560 that stage as well. I do wonder if part of 2231 01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:06.359 it is because people ascume him. I'm like five two 2232 01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:09.159 because I'm standing next to Steve Palazzola most of the 2233 01:50:09.239 --> 01:50:11.680 time and he's six', Ten SO i get to may, 2234 01:50:11.800 --> 01:50:13.680 LOOK i get to MAKE i get made look like 2235 01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:16.720 a child on the. Regular But i'm, actually you, know five, 2236 01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:19.439 Eleven SO i wonder if it's a surprising thing when 2237 01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:21.520 people see me in, person, like, oh he's not actually 2238 01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:23.560 that small a. Guy he's not not a little guy 2239 01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:24.079 that we thought he. 2240 01:50:24.199 --> 01:50:26.279 Was And i'm actually going back and forth in my 2241 01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:29.720 head about. This does The irish accent disarm? People, Like, 2242 01:50:29.800 --> 01:50:31.840 oh he's really? Nice or is it like, wait maybe 2243 01:50:31.840 --> 01:50:33.920 he's like An irish street, Fighter like what what does 2244 01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:34.439 that do for? 2245 01:50:34.479 --> 01:50:37.199 PEOPLE i, mean The irish accent is pretty much gone now, 2246 01:50:37.239 --> 01:50:38.239 anyway SO i don't think. 2247 01:50:38.119 --> 01:50:39.279 That helps or hurts either. 2248 01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:41.399 Way, UNFORTUNATELY i need to ham it back up with 2249 01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:44.720 This dublin game coming this. SEASON i need to now 2250 01:50:44.720 --> 01:50:46.640 as the TIME i need to tap back into The irish. 2251 01:50:46.720 --> 01:50:49.079 News fair, Enough, hey before we get TO i got 2252 01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:50.880 a couple of questions, about you, know the top of 2253 01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:53.640 the drafts and quarterbacks and. Such but you, Know Jackson 2254 01:50:53.720 --> 01:50:56.119 dard played his high school ball. Here he was a 2255 01:50:56.720 --> 01:50:59.880 really kid at a corner canyon, kid and you know he 2256 01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:02.640 uh he went ONTO usc and then of course transferred 2257 01:51:02.680 --> 01:51:04.560 On Old miss and had a hell of a hell 2258 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:08.239 of a college. Career uh wanted him to stay, here of, 2259 01:51:08.279 --> 01:51:10.279 course and maybe play for the you or B. Yu 2260 01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:12.239 but when you have AN sc offer and that's what you, 2261 01:51:12.279 --> 01:51:13.000 want that's where you. 2262 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:15.960 Go tell me what your analysis is of. 2263 01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:18.159 Him i've read a lot of people who are saying 2264 01:51:18.159 --> 01:51:20.840 that he's, drifting you, know rising up draft, boards and 2265 01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:23.239 and so before we get to you know what you 2266 01:51:23.279 --> 01:51:25.159 think the top of the draft's gonna look, like what's 2267 01:51:25.199 --> 01:51:26.640 your what's your take On Jackson? 2268 01:51:26.720 --> 01:51:30.920 Dark, YEAH i think he is rising up, boards AND 2269 01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:32.840 i think he's got a lot of kind of he 2270 01:51:32.840 --> 01:51:34.600 takes a lot of the boxes the things you're looking. 2271 01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:37.439 For the statistical profile is very. Good you, know he's 2272 01:51:37.439 --> 01:51:41.119 got multiple years of very good uh production and performance 2273 01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:44.199 at All, miss albeit in an offense THAT i think 2274 01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:47.560 is conducive to that kind of good play that helped 2275 01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:50.359 him out. There but he's got some impressive performances and 2276 01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:53.199 he's got a really good odd Season and that sounds 2277 01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:55.760 kind of silly to, people you, know nothing's happened really, 2278 01:51:55.800 --> 01:51:58.560 since but he's the guy that went to The senior. 2279 01:51:58.600 --> 01:52:00.560 Ball you, know that's a week of this is in 2280 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:04.239 an all star setting that carries weight WITH nfl, teams 2281 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:07.000 AND i think he impressed people throwing at the combine as. 2282 01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:10.560 Well SO i think everywhere he's been in this pre 2283 01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:15.720 draft process he's enhanced his his kind of standing a little. 2284 01:52:15.760 --> 01:52:19.399 Bit so you know a guy where there's definitely an 2285 01:52:19.439 --> 01:52:22.359 open question once you get beyond those top two quarterbacks 2286 01:52:22.399 --> 01:52:24.960 Cam ward And Shedher, sanders like who's the next guy 2287 01:52:25.399 --> 01:52:26.960 and how high do you take? Him there are going 2288 01:52:27.039 --> 01:52:29.560 to be teams that don't get their shot at those 2289 01:52:29.560 --> 01:52:32.000 top two guys and still need a. QUARTERBACK i Think 2290 01:52:32.079 --> 01:52:34.840 Jackson dart is in with a chance to be a 2291 01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:36.000 lot of people's next. 2292 01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:40.039 Guy how do you analyze those Two Fador, sanders Cam. 2293 01:52:40.119 --> 01:52:42.439 Ward it's, funny it feels LIKE i Guess i'll use 2294 01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:46.159 the term polarizing when it comes to the quarterback class this, 2295 01:52:46.239 --> 01:52:47.000 year and namely those. 2296 01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:49.760 Two is there is there one you prefer over the? Other? 2297 01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:50.800 Salmon if, so, why? 2298 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:53.840 YEAH i mean they're very different, quarterbacks SO i think 2299 01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:55.720 you're going to find the league quite split on. THEM 2300 01:52:55.720 --> 01:52:58.039 a lot of people are going to gravitate towards Cam 2301 01:52:58.079 --> 01:53:01.880 ward because he's the guy with the special. Traits he's 2302 01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:05.920 the guy with the bigger, arm the better, athleticism the 2303 01:53:05.960 --> 01:53:09.239 spectacular plays on his highlight reel and a lot of 2304 01:53:09.279 --> 01:53:12.720 THE nfl is going through guys like. THAT i, mean 2305 01:53:12.760 --> 01:53:15.640 think Of Josh allen And Patrick, mahomes you, know and 2306 01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:18.800 these are guys with those highlight reel spectacular traits that 2307 01:53:18.840 --> 01:53:22.039 can make amazing things. Happen And Shador standers is more 2308 01:53:22.319 --> 01:53:26.079 of The i'm not comparing him to this, player but 2309 01:53:26.119 --> 01:53:29.119 he's more in The Joe burrow style of, quarterback which 2310 01:53:29.159 --> 01:53:31.880 is a guy that didn't have amazing. TOOLS i, mean 2311 01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:34.640 People Joe burrow went number one overall and was a 2312 01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:38.600 fairly clear cut number one overall, quarterback but people questioned 2313 01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:41.039 whether he had a strong enough, arm whether his arm 2314 01:53:41.119 --> 01:53:43.840 was good enough to go at that. Stage chador, STANDARDS 2315 01:53:43.880 --> 01:53:45.840 i think is in the same kind of world where 2316 01:53:46.279 --> 01:53:49.159 his tools don't wow you, ironically for you, know a 2317 01:53:49.239 --> 01:53:52.199 kid Of Deon, sanders one of the greatest athletes of 2318 01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:57.079 all time at any. Sport standers doesn't have amazing, traits 2319 01:53:57.079 --> 01:54:01.000 but he's he's an accurate passer and layer the. Ball 2320 01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:03.840 he's got a good, touch he's got a good deep, 2321 01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:07.079 ball and it's kind of the mental aspect and just 2322 01:54:07.119 --> 01:54:09.199 the feel for playing the. POSITION i think that people 2323 01:54:09.199 --> 01:54:12.680 will gravitate, too if you're A shood Or sanders, fan 2324 01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:15.920 so you, KNOW i like his. Tape part of, ME 2325 01:54:15.960 --> 01:54:18.319 i think is leaning Towards Shoudhar, Sanders BUT i think 2326 01:54:18.319 --> 01:54:21.800 it very much depends what style of quarterback or what 2327 01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:24.920 style prospect you tend to gravitate. 2328 01:54:24.960 --> 01:54:28.159 TOWARDS i feel like most of the mocks Have Abdul 2329 01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:30.960 carter off the board at one To. Tennessee do you 2330 01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:33.039 agree with, that and if, not which direction do you 2331 01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:33.359 think they? 2332 01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:35.199 Go certainly a lot of. 2333 01:54:35.239 --> 01:54:35.359 Them. 2334 01:54:35.439 --> 01:54:37.039 YEAH i, MEAN i think a lot of people bought 2335 01:54:37.079 --> 01:54:40.560 into this line that The titans were putting out, there 2336 01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:42.640 which is we're not going to pass on a Blue 2337 01:54:42.680 --> 01:54:45.560 chat prospect at the top of the. Draft then, critically 2338 01:54:46.039 --> 01:54:48.359 that doesn't preclude a. Quarterback it just means that if 2339 01:54:48.359 --> 01:54:50.840 they take, one they've already endorsed them as a Blue chat. 2340 01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:53.880 PROSPECT i think, that's you, know the kind of smoke 2341 01:54:53.960 --> 01:54:59.319 screen or the kind of not quite misinformation but ambiguous 2342 01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:02.079 statement teams tend to make around this. TIME a lot 2343 01:55:02.079 --> 01:55:04.279 of people jumped on that and, went, well they're going 2344 01:55:04.319 --> 01:55:06.399 to pass in a, Quarterback they're going to, take you, 2345 01:55:06.439 --> 01:55:08.640 know the best player in the draft, otherwise and That's. 2346 01:55:08.640 --> 01:55:12.239 CARTER i think they could end up taking Cam. Ward you, 2347 01:55:12.279 --> 01:55:14.520 know it wouldn't shock me if they drafted him and, 2348 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:17.399 said with his, traits with his, ability with what he 2349 01:55:17.479 --> 01:55:20.800 did to That miami, program he is a blue check 2350 01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:23.359 quarterback and that's the thing the team needs more than. 2351 01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:29.800 Anything so, Ultimately Travis hunter oftentimes has referred to as 2352 01:55:29.880 --> 01:55:32.720 the best player in college. Football and obviously we're out 2353 01:55:32.720 --> 01:55:35.520 here In big twelve country Formerly packed twelve, country and 2354 01:55:35.560 --> 01:55:39.359 we Saw travis up, close you, know a. Ton if 2355 01:55:39.399 --> 01:55:41.079 he's the best, player why isn't he going off the 2356 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:42.840 board of? One and what do you think his floor? 2357 01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:43.119 Is? 2358 01:55:43.199 --> 01:55:45.479 Sam, YEAH i. 2359 01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:49.239 Mean it's a great. Question generally, speaking if you're not 2360 01:55:49.319 --> 01:55:52.079 taking a quarterback at one team's team sort of lean 2361 01:55:52.199 --> 01:55:55.319 towards a couple of. Positions it's edge, rusher its offensive, 2362 01:55:55.359 --> 01:55:58.640 tackle and they sort of view those as the safe 2363 01:55:58.720 --> 01:56:01.399 draft picks at those at that. Spot BUT i think 2364 01:56:01.439 --> 01:56:04.640 you're right that we in TODAY'S, nfl at the passing 2365 01:56:04.680 --> 01:56:06.560 game what it, is we should be asking more and. 2366 01:56:06.640 --> 01:56:07.640 More if you. 2367 01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:10.680 Think different positions are, special why are they not in 2368 01:56:10.800 --> 01:56:13.800 consideration for number? ONE i made that argument back When 2369 01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:16.199 Sauce gardner was coming out you, know if you think 2370 01:56:16.239 --> 01:56:19.640 he's that, special why are we not talking about a 2371 01:56:19.680 --> 01:56:20.600 cornerback in number? 2372 01:56:20.600 --> 01:56:20.760 One? 2373 01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:24.039 Overall they can have that kind of. Impact hunter is 2374 01:56:24.560 --> 01:56:27.520 a totally unique player in this draft and in pretty 2375 01:56:27.600 --> 01:56:30.520 much any. Draft he is a legitimate two way, player 2376 01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:34.039 not the way we've seen from players in the, past 2377 01:56:34.039 --> 01:56:36.319 where they're a, cornerback but they'll play a little bit 2378 01:56:36.359 --> 01:56:39.000 on offense and you, know just enough to kind of 2379 01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:42.199 we can call them two way. Players Travis hunter was 2380 01:56:42.239 --> 01:56:44.319 a full time guy on both sides of the, ball 2381 01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:47.439 and that doesn't. HAPPEN i, mean it hasn't happened since 2382 01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:52.880 like the. Sixties it's completely. Ridiculous and what's more insane 2383 01:56:53.079 --> 01:56:55.000 is THAT i think he's the best player in the 2384 01:56:55.079 --> 01:56:57.680 draft at each one of those. POSITIONS i think he's 2385 01:56:57.720 --> 01:57:01.720 wide receiver one AND i think he's corner. One SO 2386 01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:03.760 i think thirty two teams are. 2387 01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:04.199 Going to treat that. 2388 01:57:04.279 --> 01:57:06.760 Differently some of, THEM i, think are going to see 2389 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:08.960 him just as a wide, receiver that's what he is to. 2390 01:57:09.039 --> 01:57:10.680 Us some of them are going to see him just 2391 01:57:10.720 --> 01:57:13.359 as a Corner some of them probably have two Different 2392 01:57:13.399 --> 01:57:15.960 Travis hunters on their draft board and just rank him 2393 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:19.000 as two separate players and figure, out you, know we'll 2394 01:57:19.039 --> 01:57:21.680 figure which way the board, lands what our needs look, 2395 01:57:21.800 --> 01:57:24.600 like and will adjust. Accordingly and THEN i think you're 2396 01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:27.119 going to get a smaller group of teams that are 2397 01:57:27.159 --> 01:57:31.840 willing to entertain some kind of two way playing style 2398 01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:34.720 for him going. Forward the easiest way of doing that 2399 01:57:35.279 --> 01:57:37.279 is to draft them as a corner and have him 2400 01:57:37.600 --> 01:57:40.560 play a kind of package of offensive. Plays BUT i 2401 01:57:40.560 --> 01:57:42.920 think there are other ways of doing it as. Well and, 2402 01:57:43.560 --> 01:57:45.920 LOOK i think there's a bunch of different ways of 2403 01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:47.520 looking at, that BUT i think one of them is 2404 01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:52.439 you can say it's cut in half his chance of 2405 01:57:52.840 --> 01:57:54.760 being a. Bust you, know if he doesn't work out 2406 01:57:54.800 --> 01:57:56.479 at one of, them you can move him to the 2407 01:57:56.560 --> 01:57:58.039 other side of the ball and give him a second 2408 01:57:58.079 --> 01:58:01.000 shot at a. Career SO i think you're he's a 2409 01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:05.159 safer draft pick than players typically are a wide receiver 2410 01:58:05.319 --> 01:58:05.479 or a. 2411 01:58:05.479 --> 01:58:06.800 Corner BUT i think you're. 2412 01:58:06.880 --> 01:58:09.000 Right there is an argument That hunter is the best 2413 01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:11.720 player in this. Draft there's an argument that he's the 2414 01:58:11.800 --> 01:58:15.239 best player two steparate positions in this. Draft and if 2415 01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:19.720 he is actually capable of playing a unique two way, 2416 01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:24.479 role that is theoretically more valuable than any other player 2417 01:58:24.479 --> 01:58:27.560 in this draft outside of quarterback as. Well so if 2418 01:58:27.560 --> 01:58:30.520 you're not if you don't believe the quarterbacks are worthy 2419 01:58:30.560 --> 01:58:33.720 of those top. Picks, AGAIN i Think Travis hunter is 2420 01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:36.159 absolutely in the argument to go number. 2421 01:58:36.199 --> 01:58:40.920 One If travis is adamant that he plays both sides 2422 01:58:40.960 --> 01:58:44.039 of the, ball do you think that sours certain teams on? 2423 01:58:44.159 --> 01:58:48.840 Him i'm sure there are certain teams that wouldn't be into. That, 2424 01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:51.039 YEAH i think there are definitely teams that are, saying, 2425 01:58:51.079 --> 01:58:53.439 look even, NOW i mean SO i thought it was 2426 01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:55.880 a bigger problem in twenty twenty, three but even on 2427 01:58:55.920 --> 01:58:58.640 his twenty twenty four to, tape on both sides of the, 2428 01:58:58.640 --> 01:59:00.840 ball you can see plays where he looks, tired, Right 2429 01:59:00.880 --> 01:59:04.560 and that's so if you're a team thinking about playing 2430 01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:08.439 him two ways in any, capacity what you're asking yourself 2431 01:59:08.520 --> 01:59:10.279 is what kind of rest can we get? Him like 2432 01:59:10.359 --> 01:59:14.399 how the workload he had was too? Much how can 2433 01:59:14.439 --> 01:59:16.359 we scale that? Down what can we get it down 2434 01:59:16.359 --> 01:59:19.520 to and will be manageable at that? Point SO i 2435 01:59:19.520 --> 01:59:23.760 think that's definitely a potential. Issue if he's there would 2436 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:25.439 be teams THAT i think just don't want any part 2437 01:59:25.479 --> 01:59:27.359 of that and think it's not worth the. Risk it's 2438 01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:30.159 not worth the hassle, of you, know trying to get 2439 01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:32.439 him to learn two different sides of the ball and 2440 01:59:32.680 --> 01:59:35.159 try to juggle meetings that typically would take place at 2441 01:59:35.199 --> 01:59:37.079 the same time. Otherwise you, know there's a lot of 2442 01:59:37.479 --> 01:59:39.800 kind of logistics that would go into try to get 2443 01:59:39.840 --> 01:59:42.119 him to play both sides of the. Ball i'm score 2444 01:59:42.199 --> 01:59:46.119 some teams just don't see the need or the you, 2445 01:59:46.159 --> 01:59:49.920 know the person that's most enhanced by the two way 2446 01:59:50.000 --> 01:59:53.199 thing Is Travis. Hunter and if you're a team that 2447 01:59:53.279 --> 01:59:56.640 just needs a wide receiver and don't necessarily need the cornerback, 2448 01:59:56.680 --> 01:59:59.359 stuff you, know there's not much in it for you 2449 01:59:59.439 --> 02:00:02.720 really to try and just do it Because Travis hunter wants. 2450 02:00:02.760 --> 02:00:05.199 It but for the teams that, DO i think that's 2451 02:00:05.239 --> 02:00:07.840 the challenge is not letting him do it at, all 2452 02:00:07.920 --> 02:00:10.359 but figuring out what the best way of doing it 2453 02:00:10.439 --> 02:00:13.520 is so that it's not an overall detriment to his 2454 02:00:13.600 --> 02:00:14.640 play on either side of the. 2455 02:00:14.720 --> 02:00:19.279 Ball If tennessee Goes carter at, one what Does cleveland 2456 02:00:19.359 --> 02:00:19.600 do it. 2457 02:00:19.600 --> 02:00:21.640 Too it's a great. 2458 02:00:21.720 --> 02:00:25.439 QUESTION a lot of IT i think depends obviously on 2459 02:00:25.479 --> 02:00:28.119 their evaluation of these. Quarterbacks BUT i think for them 2460 02:00:28.319 --> 02:00:30.600 this is a gift that they did not expect to. 2461 02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:35.560 Have they made arguably the worst personnel move that's ever 2462 02:00:35.600 --> 02:00:37.319 been made in the history of the game with This 2463 02:00:37.399 --> 02:00:40.680 Deshaun watson, deal between the trade for, him between the 2464 02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:43.640 baggage that he came, with and between the contract that 2465 02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:47.640 they handed, him which is still being treated as like 2466 02:00:47.680 --> 02:00:50.439 an anomaly by the rest of THE nfl that has 2467 02:00:50.520 --> 02:00:53.479 not been precedent that has not been used to create 2468 02:00:53.479 --> 02:00:56.880 the next wave of fully guaranteed quarterback, contracts WHICH i 2469 02:00:56.920 --> 02:00:59.600 think could have happened at one point in THE. Nfl 2470 02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:02.199 they have still used that as like a mistake and 2471 02:01:02.880 --> 02:01:06.079 a desperate act by a team and ignore it essentially 2472 02:01:06.119 --> 02:01:10.039 when it comes to precedent that has crippled this. TEAM i, 2473 02:01:10.039 --> 02:01:12.600 mean they are still stuck with that. Contract watson is 2474 02:01:12.640 --> 02:01:15.640 now injured with an achilles injury, again and even when 2475 02:01:15.680 --> 02:01:18.880 he wasn't, injured he looked like he couldn't be starting for, 2476 02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:21.319 them that they needed to move on. Anyway the only 2477 02:01:21.359 --> 02:01:24.880 way out of that deal is a cheap enough quarterback 2478 02:01:24.920 --> 02:01:28.319 that you can have starting for you and sort of 2479 02:01:28.359 --> 02:01:30.920 make that pay and go away and allow you to 2480 02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:33.840 carry that contract and for it not to ruin everything. 2481 02:01:33.880 --> 02:01:37.960 Else the easiest route to that is a quarterback at 2482 02:01:37.960 --> 02:01:39.960 the top of the. Draft so you, know if they 2483 02:01:40.000 --> 02:01:42.520 Love Cam, word if they love Shedhar, STANDERS i think 2484 02:01:42.560 --> 02:01:44.319 it would be crazy to pans on one of those 2485 02:01:44.319 --> 02:01:46.880 guys given this. Opportunity so if. 2486 02:01:46.760 --> 02:01:49.479 We operate off and, again nobody knows how this is 2487 02:01:49.479 --> 02:01:51.359 going to go, down we're all just. Guessing but if 2488 02:01:51.359 --> 02:01:54.840 It's carter, one let's say It's ward. Two we land 2489 02:01:54.840 --> 02:01:57.279 on The giants at, three and The giants need a, 2490 02:01:57.359 --> 02:02:00.439 quarterback but they need a lot of. Things what point 2491 02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:02.880 do you Think Travis hunter has to go off the? 2492 02:02:02.880 --> 02:02:06.479 Board, well think THE x factor in all this is 2493 02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:09.039 what happens before the, draft, right because we've got free. 2494 02:02:09.039 --> 02:02:12.600 Agency we just dealt with This Matthew stafford will he 2495 02:02:12.680 --> 02:02:15.800 won't eat, drama and he's gonna stay with The. Rams 2496 02:02:15.840 --> 02:02:18.520 but these are all the dominoes that affect the. 2497 02:02:18.479 --> 02:02:18.880 Top of the. 2498 02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:21.920 Draft, Right first of, all it Was. Stafford THEN i 2499 02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:25.479 think the next domino becomes what happens With Sam. Darnold 2500 02:02:25.560 --> 02:02:27.560 does anybody at the top of the draft get? Him 2501 02:02:27.960 --> 02:02:31.920 does a team saddle themselves With Aaron rodgers for one 2502 02:02:31.960 --> 02:02:35.279 more year or two years and go with? HIM i 2503 02:02:35.279 --> 02:02:37.640 think these are things that can affect who's going to 2504 02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:40.600 go at the top of this. Draft, ultimately you, know 2505 02:02:40.720 --> 02:02:44.039 specially As hunter, is you don't pass on a quarterback 2506 02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:45.800 that you think can be a starter or can be 2507 02:02:45.840 --> 02:02:49.079 the guy the future of your. Franchise For, hunter the 2508 02:02:49.199 --> 02:02:52.880 quarterback position is, paramount it's. Everything so if you think 2509 02:02:52.920 --> 02:02:55.000 you have one of those, guys you have to take, 2510 02:02:55.079 --> 02:02:58.560 him regardless of who's still on the. Board if you've 2511 02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:01.880 determined that the quarterbacks are not worth, it or that 2512 02:03:01.920 --> 02:03:04.600 they're not those guys and you're going to pass on a, quarterback, 2513 02:03:04.640 --> 02:03:08.520 whatever THEN i think anybody in the top five can 2514 02:03:08.600 --> 02:03:11.399 realistically make a case For Travis, hunter and in, fact 2515 02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:14.399 pretty much any team in the. DRAFT i mean, again 2516 02:03:14.560 --> 02:03:16.439 this is a guy that might be the best corner 2517 02:03:16.720 --> 02:03:19.000 and wide receiver in the. Draft at the same, time 2518 02:03:19.800 --> 02:03:21.960 literally every single team in the league needs at least 2519 02:03:21.960 --> 02:03:25.800 one of those two. Positions so at that, point if 2520 02:03:25.800 --> 02:03:29.199 you're not taking a, quarterback he's absolutely in the top 2521 02:03:29.319 --> 02:03:31.079 three of every single draft. 2522 02:03:31.079 --> 02:03:36.159 Board who is The Sam monson candidate for the awkward 2523 02:03:36.399 --> 02:03:41.000 Green Room Draft day, slides the most overhyped player that 2524 02:03:41.079 --> 02:03:42.880 has the chance of sliding all the way down to 2525 02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:44.279 the end of the first round that we're all going 2526 02:03:44.319 --> 02:03:45.159 to watch feeling bad. 2527 02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:48.640 For so a big part of that is always the 2528 02:03:48.680 --> 02:03:51.399 stuff we don't, know you, Know it's the off field, 2529 02:03:51.439 --> 02:03:53.479 Stuff it's the character concerned. 2530 02:03:53.479 --> 02:03:55.000 Stuff it's the things. 2531 02:03:54.720 --> 02:03:58.159 That teams have access to that we don't necessarily have 2532 02:03:58.239 --> 02:04:02.960 access to on the. Outside AND i know, already you 2533 02:04:02.960 --> 02:04:05.199 know there's some rumblings about things. 2534 02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:07.279 That that will affect. 2535 02:04:06.920 --> 02:04:09.359 That kind of, thing you, Know James Pearce, JUNIOR i 2536 02:04:09.399 --> 02:04:12.439 think a lot of teams have some kind of off 2537 02:04:12.439 --> 02:04:14.479 field red flags for, him and that's WHY i think 2538 02:04:14.479 --> 02:04:17.279 you're seeing him start to drop on draft boards at the. 2539 02:04:17.279 --> 02:04:21.319 Moment for a guy THAT i think otherwise would absolutely 2540 02:04:21.359 --> 02:04:23.840 be seen as as a top tier pass rusher and 2541 02:04:23.920 --> 02:04:27.319 a top tier guy outside of, That i'm not sure 2542 02:04:27.359 --> 02:04:30.359 that anyone immediately jumps out as like this guy is 2543 02:04:30.399 --> 02:04:31.119 definitely gonna. 2544 02:04:31.119 --> 02:04:33.119 Slide where do you. 2545 02:04:33.079 --> 02:04:36.600 Think i'll ask you About shador like floor For shador is? 2546 02:04:36.600 --> 02:04:38.560 What AND i know to your, point there's a lot 2547 02:04:38.600 --> 02:04:41.039 that could happen between now and the draft In. 2548 02:04:41.079 --> 02:04:43.359 April you, Know i'm A jets. Fan i've told you that. 2549 02:04:43.399 --> 02:04:45.960 Before, sam a long Suffering jets, Fan they're sitting there 2550 02:04:45.960 --> 02:04:48.439 at seven and they need a. Quarterback who do you 2551 02:04:48.439 --> 02:04:50.039 think the first team is going to be, like, yeah we. 2552 02:04:50.119 --> 02:04:52.720 Can't you, know this is where we have to Draft. 2553 02:04:52.720 --> 02:04:54.479 Shador he's not going to slide any further than. 2554 02:04:54.479 --> 02:04:57.880 THAT i think That jets team or That jets pick 2555 02:04:58.039 --> 02:05:02.439 probably is his, floor just because, again if we're talking 2556 02:05:02.479 --> 02:05:04.800 about the teams that even if they start picking up 2557 02:05:04.880 --> 02:05:08.119 quarterbacks and free agency and trades and, things it seems 2558 02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:10.560 unlikely that every one of those teams in the top 2559 02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:13.359 seven would take care of the quarterback position before the. 2560 02:05:13.439 --> 02:05:17.000 Draft so you, know if Cam ward has gone somewhere 2561 02:05:17.039 --> 02:05:20.520 in those first, picks The, raiders The, JETS i would 2562 02:05:20.600 --> 02:05:23.039 imagine at least one of those teams is still without 2563 02:05:23.079 --> 02:05:25.680 a quarterback at that, point AND i doubt they could 2564 02:05:25.680 --> 02:05:27.079 pass On shud Or sanders at that. 2565 02:05:27.119 --> 02:05:29.760 Spot what do you think happens With Darnold's and you, know, 2566 02:05:29.960 --> 02:05:32.560 again out here in this footprint we Saw sam playoff 2567 02:05:32.640 --> 02:05:35.720 close number of, times and as A jets, fan, actually 2568 02:05:35.760 --> 02:05:38.960 when they Drafted Sam, DARNOLD i, Thought, okay finally we 2569 02:05:39.119 --> 02:05:41.000 have the guy WHO i think can get it. Done 2570 02:05:41.199 --> 02:05:42.840 and by the, way If I'm Dion i'm not sure 2571 02:05:42.840 --> 02:05:44.239 THAT i want you to or In New, york AND 2572 02:05:44.279 --> 02:05:46.079 i say that as A jets, Fan but you, Know 2573 02:05:46.159 --> 02:05:48.800 sam has resurrected his career and he has this chance 2574 02:05:48.840 --> 02:05:50.640 to have like a second. Half but you, Know Baker 2575 02:05:50.640 --> 02:05:53.880 mayfield type. Run where do you think he? Lands what 2576 02:05:53.920 --> 02:05:54.560 do you think that looks? 2577 02:05:54.560 --> 02:05:54.640 Like? 2578 02:05:54.720 --> 02:05:58.520 Sam he? Does BUT i think at wants A Baker 2579 02:05:58.560 --> 02:06:01.279 mayfield type of contract is, well because those last two 2580 02:06:01.319 --> 02:06:04.119 games were so terrifying for any team that would want 2581 02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:07.520 to buy into. Him he was spectacular for most of 2582 02:06:07.560 --> 02:06:11.079 the season and it looked like he had completely changed 2583 02:06:11.119 --> 02:06:13.439 and he was a different, player And kevin O'Connell had 2584 02:06:13.640 --> 02:06:16.600 worked his matchic again and then it was almost like 2585 02:06:16.840 --> 02:06:19.279 a switch got flipped and he went all the way 2586 02:06:19.319 --> 02:06:22.239 back to seeing Ghosts Sam, donald you Know New York 2587 02:06:22.319 --> 02:06:25.600 jets nightmare against The patriots And Bill belichick for those 2588 02:06:25.680 --> 02:06:28.319 last two, games which by the, way were the most 2589 02:06:28.319 --> 02:06:31.600 important games The vikings played all season. Long SO i 2590 02:06:31.640 --> 02:06:34.239 think he's definitely earned himself a ton of money and 2591 02:06:34.279 --> 02:06:38.119 he's earned himself a starting job next. Year but nobody 2592 02:06:38.199 --> 02:06:40.439 is not going to be aware of. That you, know 2593 02:06:40.520 --> 02:06:43.640 that is going to need let anybody who wants to 2594 02:06:44.119 --> 02:06:47.159 Give donald the next, chance so you, KNOW i think 2595 02:06:47.279 --> 02:06:49.600 his contract is probably going to have to reflect that 2596 02:06:49.760 --> 02:06:52.239 the way the season. Ended it's not going to be the, 2597 02:06:52.359 --> 02:06:54.960 big big money contract that maybe he was on course. 2598 02:06:55.000 --> 02:06:57.720 FOR i think it should be some sort of middle 2599 02:06:57.760 --> 02:07:01.800 class quarterback. Deal you, KNOW a team like The colts 2600 02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:04.439 would be an interesting landing spot who seemed to have 2601 02:07:05.079 --> 02:07:07.720 not so much soured On richardson but decided they just 2602 02:07:07.800 --> 02:07:10.399 can't rely on him right, now whether it's injury or 2603 02:07:10.439 --> 02:07:14.359 playing performance so. Far you, Know donald could step onto The, 2604 02:07:14.359 --> 02:07:17.680 COLTS i, think and make that team a playoff football 2605 02:07:17.720 --> 02:07:20.159 team pretty much right out of the. Gate The colts 2606 02:07:20.159 --> 02:07:22.159 would be an interesting. SPOT i think The raiders would 2607 02:07:22.159 --> 02:07:26.319 also make some sense With Pete carroll and presume coach 2608 02:07:26.359 --> 02:07:28.560 who knows how to take some of the pressure off of. 2609 02:07:28.680 --> 02:07:31.479 Quarterback those are the two SPOTS i think That i'd 2610 02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:32.520 be most interested in for. 2611 02:07:32.600 --> 02:07:35.600 Him surprised That stafford ended up back with The rams 2612 02:07:35.640 --> 02:07:36.880 a lot of noise around. 2613 02:07:36.680 --> 02:07:40.680 Him, NO i think that's the spot that made the most. 2614 02:07:40.680 --> 02:07:43.640 SENSE i think they were basically trying to get everybody 2615 02:07:43.640 --> 02:07:46.279 else to set the market for. Them my hunch is 2616 02:07:47.399 --> 02:07:50.520 the two sides were reasonably far apart in terms of 2617 02:07:50.520 --> 02:07:53.039 what they. WANTED i think The rams probably think That 2618 02:07:53.119 --> 02:07:57.279 stafford doesn't have that much long, left And stafford wanted 2619 02:07:57.319 --> 02:08:01.279 a bit more guarantees or assurance or duration on the 2620 02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:04.479 deal than they, did so they basically gave him the 2621 02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:06.720 permission to, go you, know go talk to other, people 2622 02:08:06.800 --> 02:08:09.119 set the market for, us come back to, us and 2623 02:08:09.159 --> 02:08:10.640 then we'll figure out if we can get it. DONE 2624 02:08:10.680 --> 02:08:14.039 i think that's more what this, was rather than a 2625 02:08:14.079 --> 02:08:17.399 concerted effort by either side to move on from each. 2626 02:08:17.399 --> 02:08:21.159 Other forty Nine ers Sent Deebo samuels to the, commanders 2627 02:08:21.439 --> 02:08:24.319 and it just it feels like this is a trade 2628 02:08:24.359 --> 02:08:27.520 that could do a lot for the, commanders, who After terry, 2629 02:08:27.560 --> 02:08:30.640 McLaurin had a pretty precipitous drop Between terry and whoever 2630 02:08:30.640 --> 02:08:32.439 you think their number two or number three was or. 2631 02:08:32.479 --> 02:08:34.920 Whatever and you, Know i've talked about this quite a. 2632 02:08:34.920 --> 02:08:37.479 Bit Sam Jayden daniels was out this way To Arizona. 2633 02:08:37.520 --> 02:08:40.000 State he actually almost was a. You he nearly played 2634 02:08:40.000 --> 02:08:42.279 here In Salt lake for The university Of, utah AND 2635 02:08:42.359 --> 02:08:44.439 i am still floored that he did that year. 2636 02:08:44.479 --> 02:08:46.800 ONE i, mean he TRANSFERRED lsu obviously won The. 2637 02:08:46.800 --> 02:08:49.520 Heisman BUT i wonder what your thoughts are on the 2638 02:08:49.560 --> 02:08:52.640 rookie season Of Jayden daniels and what Adding Deebo samuel. 2639 02:08:52.800 --> 02:08:54.439 Means, yeah he. 2640 02:08:54.439 --> 02:08:57.720 Was, spectacular and he was getting better throughout the. SEASON i, 2641 02:08:57.760 --> 02:08:59.960 mean that's the thing he. Was he didn't just say 2642 02:09:00.079 --> 02:09:01.960 to start off hot and cling onto. It by the 2643 02:09:02.039 --> 02:09:03.920 end of the, year he was getting better and better 2644 02:09:04.000 --> 02:09:07.560 and looking more and more assured as the season went, 2645 02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:10.000 on and in the. PLAYOFFS i, mean he looked like 2646 02:09:10.439 --> 02:09:13.239 the kind of quarterback that could take them to something completely. 2647 02:09:13.359 --> 02:09:18.159 Unprecedented So i'm all for surrounding him with weapons and 2648 02:09:18.199 --> 02:09:20.760 seeing what he can do as quickly as. Possible and 2649 02:09:20.960 --> 02:09:24.079 the debo deal is the perfect kind of opportunistic deal 2650 02:09:24.159 --> 02:09:26.840 where that's what having a ton of cap space allows 2651 02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:30.279 you to. Do you might not have been targeting guys like. 2652 02:09:30.319 --> 02:09:32.079 That you might have been trying to find somebody in free, 2653 02:09:32.119 --> 02:09:35.159 agency but the forty nine ers are in a different 2654 02:09:35.279 --> 02:09:38.680 spot of their kind of salary cap life cycle and 2655 02:09:38.680 --> 02:09:41.000 they're trying to shed, contracts and you, know for a 2656 02:09:41.039 --> 02:09:43.600 fifth round, pick you can pick up a guy who's 2657 02:09:43.640 --> 02:09:46.279 been one of the most dynamic and difficult to defend 2658 02:09:46.680 --> 02:09:48.800 offensive playmakers in THE nfl. 2659 02:09:48.520 --> 02:09:49.159 Over the last few. 2660 02:09:49.239 --> 02:09:51.760 Years all, Right, zam before he said you, lose you, 2661 02:09:51.760 --> 02:09:54.479 Know philly wins The Super bowl and you look At 2662 02:09:55.079 --> 02:09:58.680 jalen at twenty, six Say quanted twenty, EIGHT Aj brown 2663 02:09:58.720 --> 02:10:03.079 at twenty, Seven DeVante smith at twenty. Six you, know 2664 02:10:03.119 --> 02:10:05.800 they've got the bulk of their best skill position players 2665 02:10:05.920 --> 02:10:08.520 still smack dab in the middle of their. Prime and 2666 02:10:08.600 --> 02:10:10.600 of course we'll see what the offseason. Brings they've got 2667 02:10:10.640 --> 02:10:13.079 a really good young. Defense Jalen carter's twenty. THREE i 2668 02:10:13.079 --> 02:10:15.199 could go up and down the. List is there a 2669 02:10:15.279 --> 02:10:17.399 chance that we're seeing the start of what could be 2670 02:10:17.399 --> 02:10:19.840 a pretty fruitful fun run For eagles? 2671 02:10:19.880 --> 02:10:23.479 Fans, oh there's absolutely a. CHANCE i, mean it's really 2672 02:10:23.520 --> 02:10:27.479 difficult to repeat to do anything like that in THE. 2673 02:10:27.560 --> 02:10:30.319 Nfl The chiefs and The patriots have kind of broken 2674 02:10:30.359 --> 02:10:33.279 everybody's perspective of how difficult it is to have that 2675 02:10:33.359 --> 02:10:37.359 kind of sustained. Success, obviously the common tread from those 2676 02:10:37.399 --> 02:10:40.560 two teams is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all, 2677 02:10:40.600 --> 02:10:44.640 Time Tom brady and Then Patrick. Mahomes The eagles don't have. 2678 02:10:44.720 --> 02:10:46.640 That you, Know Jalen hurts is, good but he's not, 2679 02:10:46.800 --> 02:10:49.399 great but they do have the best roster in THE 2680 02:10:49.479 --> 02:10:52.479 nfl right now and a chance to have the same 2681 02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:54.479 thing again next. Year and if you're going to have 2682 02:10:55.079 --> 02:10:58.239 a good rather than a great, quarterback that's what you 2683 02:10:58.319 --> 02:11:01.319 need to still be able to make those of sustained 2684 02:11:01.359 --> 02:11:04.520 runs year on. Year BUT i think you're. Right the 2685 02:11:04.920 --> 02:11:07.720 core of that team is in their, prime if not. 2686 02:11:07.840 --> 02:11:10.319 Younger they had an amazing draft by the looks of 2687 02:11:10.319 --> 02:11:13.319 it last. Year they're very good at reloading and coming 2688 02:11:13.359 --> 02:11:16.640 back younger and, better AND i think they're absolutely a 2689 02:11:16.680 --> 02:11:19.159 team that would be seen as probably the favorite in 2690 02:11:19.159 --> 02:11:20.520 THE nfc going into next. 2691 02:11:20.600 --> 02:11:23.600 Year, Okay, sam where can everybody go to find the 2692 02:11:23.640 --> 02:11:24.520 podcast and all your? 2693 02:11:24.520 --> 02:11:24.760 Work? 2694 02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:29.720 Yeah check The mic is the PODCAST m see anywhere 2695 02:11:29.720 --> 02:11:31.399 you get your podcasts or on YouTube as. 2696 02:11:31.399 --> 02:11:33.720 Well thank, you, sir have a great. Week love to 2697 02:11:33.720 --> 02:11:34.640 get you on. 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GEAR i have parted ways with some of 2770 02:14:50.439 --> 02:14:53.680 the other stuff that didn't like resonate with me or 2771 02:14:53.720 --> 02:14:55.039 there's no sentimental. 2772 02:14:54.640 --> 02:14:56.000 Value of BUT i have. 2773 02:14:56.000 --> 02:15:01.239 A a genuinely fairly large collection of Like i'm At Troy, 2774 02:15:01.239 --> 02:15:06.039 Aikman Michael, irvin mostly, nineties early two Thousands cowboys, stuff 2775 02:15:06.039 --> 02:15:10.640 including a one of One Troy Aikman Trey aigman. 2776 02:15:10.399 --> 02:15:12.760 Card that's got to be worth. SOMETHING i think it's. 2777 02:15:12.840 --> 02:15:18.039 Worth it's not one thousand, dollars but it's it's it's 2778 02:15:18.079 --> 02:15:20.720 a it's a few hundred and uh, yeah there's a 2779 02:15:20.720 --> 02:15:21.199 few of those in. 2780 02:15:21.199 --> 02:15:24.399 There all, right good, stuff good. Stuff so not a 2781 02:15:24.399 --> 02:15:26.520 lot of local stuff going on. Tonight most of the 2782 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:30.399 college basketball action gets rolling tomorrow on the local side of. 2783 02:15:30.439 --> 02:15:32.640 Things but in college, Hoops duke and Wake forest are 2784 02:15:32.640 --> 02:15:34.600 playing right now if you want to Watch Cooper flag 2785 02:15:35.039 --> 02:15:39.319 and Then houston And kansas at The Ftida. Center of 2786 02:15:39.359 --> 02:15:42.680 course it's called The Ftida, center so typically a big, 2787 02:15:42.720 --> 02:15:44.920 matchup still two big. Names we'll see If kansas can 2788 02:15:44.960 --> 02:15:46.840 make it. Interesting every TIME i Watch houston, PLAY i 2789 02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:49.239 just feel like they're so much better than every other 2790 02:15:49.279 --> 02:15:51.800 team in The Big. Twelve The pistons are in town 2791 02:15:51.840 --> 02:15:54.600 to play The, jazz the red Hot Detroit, pistons and 2792 02:15:54.640 --> 02:15:57.760 we got a good night OF nba, action including The 2793 02:15:57.800 --> 02:15:59.479 warriors in. Action if you want to see a Little 2794 02:15:59.479 --> 02:16:02.600 Steph curry rockets in. THUNDER a little bit later on 2795 02:16:02.640 --> 02:16:05.079 The kings take on The. Mavericks let me ask, you 2796 02:16:05.159 --> 02:16:08.479 Mister Lebron James stan see WHAT i did, there, kids 2797 02:16:08.479 --> 02:16:11.479 you would understand is it time to say The lakers 2798 02:16:11.520 --> 02:16:13.760 have to be at least considered as a serious threat 2799 02:16:13.840 --> 02:16:16.399 to EITHER okac Or cleveland Or boston Or. 2800 02:16:16.439 --> 02:16:19.520 Denver they've got to be in that. Tier Right if you. 2801 02:16:19.479 --> 02:16:21.920 Would have asked me this the day they made that, 2802 02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:25.000 TRADE i would have said. Yes and that's obviously a 2803 02:16:25.000 --> 02:16:28.239 lot of faith In lebron And, luca BUT i just 2804 02:16:28.640 --> 02:16:30.520 there's no way you can have those two on the 2805 02:16:30.520 --> 02:16:35.159 floor healthy in the spring and not be mentioned right. 2806 02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:37.719 Now there are some things they've got to figure. Out 2807 02:16:37.760 --> 02:16:40.959 obviously the front court is one of. Them but you 2808 02:16:41.079 --> 02:16:43.959 see the synergy that they have and the amount of 2809 02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:48.879 the BASKETBALL iq that's on the floor when both of 2810 02:16:48.879 --> 02:16:51.159 them are or when you can stagger time with, them 2811 02:16:51.440 --> 02:16:54.319 and what it does to an, offense what it does 2812 02:16:54.360 --> 02:16:57.520 even defensively communication, wise those guys are really smart on that. 2813 02:16:57.559 --> 02:17:02.760 Side Although luca physically is not a great defender, man 2814 02:17:02.920 --> 02:17:05.040 there is just a lot to like a lot to, 2815 02:17:05.200 --> 02:17:08.159 like and as they get to know each other more 2816 02:17:08.200 --> 02:17:11.239 and know how to play off each other a little bit, 2817 02:17:11.280 --> 02:17:16.920 more that's something that only gets. Better, Right, so if Healthy, 2818 02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:19.600 spence which is when you're relying on a guy who 2819 02:17:19.680 --> 02:17:23.600 is almost forty one and a guy who we know 2820 02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:28.120 has question marks about his day to day, routine his. 2821 02:17:29.559 --> 02:17:30.239 Let's, say. 2822 02:17:31.799 --> 02:17:36.760 Motivation or dedication to basketball outside of the actual hoops, 2823 02:17:36.760 --> 02:17:40.360 part that is a question you can still. Ask but 2824 02:17:40.399 --> 02:17:42.600 if those two are healthy and we are entering the, 2825 02:17:42.600 --> 02:17:45.600 postseason especially if they have home court and maybe a 2826 02:17:45.719 --> 02:17:49.959 top two seed in The, west, YEAH i wouldn't count them, 2827 02:17:50.000 --> 02:17:50.719 out to say the. 2828 02:17:50.760 --> 02:17:53.239 Least every possession ends with a good shot when those 2829 02:17:53.280 --> 02:17:55.200 two are on the. FLOOR i MEAN i watched The clippers, 2830 02:17:55.239 --> 02:17:58.200 game and just like every other player on the floor 2831 02:17:58.239 --> 02:18:00.319 not Named luca And, lebron if you're in the right, 2832 02:18:00.360 --> 02:18:03.079 spot you're just gonna get an open. SHOT i would 2833 02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:06.200 be concerned with Starting Jackson hayes and Having Alex lena's your. 2834 02:18:06.200 --> 02:18:08.959 Backup yokhich is gonna go for a, million but it 2835 02:18:09.000 --> 02:18:11.239 looks really, dangerous, man when those two are, right which 2836 02:18:11.319 --> 02:18:14.239 is not a, surprise all, right that will do it 2837 02:18:14.280 --> 02:18:15.920 don't forget coming up on the other, Side it is 2838 02:18:15.920 --> 02:18:19.040 The Utah Men's Coaches, Show Bill, riley interim head, Coach 2839 02:18:19.120 --> 02:18:21.319 Josh Eiler porter what comes our way on A tuesday 2840 02:18:21.440 --> 02:18:21.840 edition of the. 2841 02:18:21.879 --> 02:18:25.360 Program on A tuesday edition of The Drive, spence we'll 2842 02:18:25.399 --> 02:18:28.360 cover all of our, bases but zero in on some 2843 02:18:28.520 --> 02:18:32.399 hoops as. Well tim McMahon for YOUR Nba Daily. Assist 2844 02:18:32.440 --> 02:18:34.719 it looks like we'll chat with a, Friend Tony jones 2845 02:18:34.799 --> 02:18:38.760 on A tuesday as. Well Aaron falk of The Salt Lake. 2846 02:18:38.799 --> 02:18:42.159 Tribune haven't spoken With aaron for quite some, time so 2847 02:18:42.159 --> 02:18:44.040 we'll be good to catch up with. Him and Then 2848 02:18:44.319 --> 02:18:47.239 Josh furlong's weekly hit giving us the latest on The 2849 02:18:47.479 --> 02:18:51.520 UT's Lady utes obviously a big. Win And Josh, eilert 2850 02:18:51.840 --> 02:18:54.920 in his first weekend as the youths head, coach gets 2851 02:18:55.040 --> 02:18:55.639 a w overa. 2852 02:18:55.719 --> 02:18:57.920 Issue there you, Go so join us for A tuesday 2853 02:18:58.000 --> 02:18:59.840 drive with. 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