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Speaker 1: to see this film. Yeah, this is from The Guardian.

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Speaker 1: Shnead O'Connor waxwork pulled from Dublin Museum after backlash. The

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Speaker 1: Irish singer's brother speaks of shock at hideous figure which

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Speaker 1: Dublin's Wax Museum is withdrawing a figure of Shanead O'Connor.

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Speaker 1: I mean criticism from her family and members of the

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Speaker 1: The museum's team met on Friday morning and decided to

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Speaker 2: Didn't even tell a family.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that weird?

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Speaker 2: It's very weird. I just sent you the picture, Miriam,

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Speaker 2: so you could take a look at it too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I agree. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it looks like her. I think it's

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Speaker 2: I think generic looking.

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Speaker 3: It kind of looks like a Star Trek sorry, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the character from Star Trek.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I can't remember that work.

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Speaker 1: No, from the first Star Trek movie, the very the

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Speaker 3: What you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, Like I can't think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, The brother said quote. When I saw it online yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I was shocked. I thought it looked something between a

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Speaker 1: I thought it was hideous. A friend of mine said

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Speaker 1: to me last night that he'd be that he'd seen

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Speaker 1: better in Shaw's department store in the window. There's also

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Speaker 1: enough visual stuff out there in terms of videos and

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Speaker 1: photos that show what she did look like. Unquote. O'Connor

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Speaker 1: suggested that a better way to honor his sister would

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Speaker 1: on Friday, the first anniversary of her death at the

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Speaker 1: age of fifty six. Okay, so it was a year

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Speaker 1: ago Thathed O'Connor passed away.

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Speaker 2: Yes, natural causes, Yeah, Unfortunately, she was just found found down.

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Speaker 1: Because her her son, I think just within he.

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Speaker 2: She had a lot of strife in her life, a

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I mean unless they were thinking, uh, oh,

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Speaker 1: Then it's like, say a year went by and the

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Speaker 2: Talking about his Irish Irish melon.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I do, I have an enormous head because Irish

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Speaker 2: To shove him through the door, to fit him through.

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Speaker 1: Why we're so smart. We have enormous heads to hold

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Speaker 1: if Sinad O'Connor had a large head, but well, she's Irish.

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Speaker 2: Not all Irish people have big heads.

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Speaker 2: But hers has a narrowing chin. Mine not fully rounded.

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Speaker 1: Actually mine's not fully rounded either, because I have a point.

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Speaker 2: This is what I've had to put up with all morning. Miriam.

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Speaker 4: I think the hard movies have been made about wax

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Speaker 1: See, that's the thing that's what freaks me out.

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Speaker 2: They have a wax figure of a Darlk of a Donalek.

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Speaker 3: Yes they do, they do.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I said that kind of sarcastic, but I

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Speaker 2: didn't expect. Oh, they must have a weeping angel.

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Speaker 3: Then probably I haven't been there since.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm on a Doctor Who Kick.

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Speaker 1: Well, so there's a little bit more to this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Paddy Dunning the Wax Museum, that's a very patty. Pa

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Speaker 1: d d Y, that's a very ash name. The wax

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Speaker 1: Museum director, who said he was a longtime friend of

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Speaker 1: Sinead O'Connor oh apologize to the family. He said that

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Speaker 1: the wax Museum sculptor PJ. Harrodt Harridy delivered the figure

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Speaker 1: the night before it was unveiled. He said the artists

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Speaker 1: had done fantastic work in previous years, but has not

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Speaker 1: been been feeling well and had retired. I get it.

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Speaker 1: So the artist wasn't feeling well.

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Speaker 2: And they pulled him out of retirement apparently to this. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so there might have been a little spite involved there.

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Speaker 1: Right, he was probably like I was retired. I was

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Speaker 1: enjoying my retirement. But now I'm resentful, so I'm going

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Speaker 1: to sabotage the oor wax figure. Yes, yeah, Patty, that

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Speaker 1: is Patty angry. If I were if I were a

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Speaker 1: resentful wax figure sculptor, I would not you know, I

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Speaker 1: just I would still try to do a good job,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I might be mad about it.

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Speaker 2: But they are kind of creepy wax figures. Yeah, well yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they look like dead people standing.

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Speaker 4: They don't always look like the people that they're made

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Speaker 4: to look like. No, No, I don't know that I

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Speaker 4: was really all that impressed with very many of them.

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Speaker 2: Did you find it creepy walking through all of these?

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Speaker 4: It was creepy, and the lights are kind of low.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they're hoping you're not going to notice.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It seems like the that's the trek.

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Speaker 1: Did you see light? Did you see any that you

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Speaker 1: looked at that where you thought this one doesn't look

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Speaker 1: quite right. I wonder if if the person who created

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Speaker 1: this particular wax figure was had been pulled out of

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Speaker 1: retirement and was feeling resentful.

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Speaker 3: I did not think that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not feeling well.

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Speaker 1: And not feeling well even occurred to me. Yeah, yeah, What.

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Speaker 2: Was your favorite part of being there?

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Speaker 3: Being in London?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just curious, like, was there a favorite location.

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Speaker 3: Or a coven?

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Speaker 4: Garden is my favorite place probably in the world. It's well,

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Speaker 4: I haven't traveled that much, but London is pretty far

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Speaker 4: from home. Covent Garden is like a big sort of

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Speaker 4: outdoor mall but a lot older, so really old buildings.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of open, but it has a roof on

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Speaker 4: it and they have like flea market stalls kinds of

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Speaker 4: things and shops. They have, Ay, they used to have

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Speaker 4: a magic stand, like they had magicians there and they

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Speaker 4: were selling the little cheap magic trips tricks that you

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Speaker 4: buy and usually street performers and that's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: There's a little bit more to this. So the guy

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Speaker 1: of this Patty Dunning, guy said, when I had to

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Speaker 1: look at the statue. I walked in to launch it,

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Speaker 1: and when I saw it, I didn't get that feeling

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Speaker 1: that I normally get from pj's fantastic work. My heart

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Speaker 1: sunk a little bit. We went ahead with the launch,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't sleep last night. Unquote. Asked by O'Connor

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Speaker 1: on the radio program if the Dublin National Wax Museum

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Speaker 1: was doing this to get publicity, Dunning said, quote no,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. The Wax Museum runs itself without publicity. We

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Speaker 1: have a launch and that's it. I had to take

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Speaker 1: the decision to cancel the statue, and we'll go again,

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Speaker 1: and we'll remodel, and we have to do better on

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Speaker 1: this occasion. Quote