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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Bobby Brown and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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Speaker 2: Troy A sight, don't be a a oh man bab

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not once great champ, now sunny and mopishness no longer

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the factory hungry still wait right, so many times payful

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by a pathetic wash up age ax Champion.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go.

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Speaker 1: I think you know the guy, and I.

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Speaker 3: Think you know what, pretty dear? WHOA? His name is

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he Presley?

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Speaker 2: He Press Presley? What's my name?

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Speaker 1: Say my name, bitch?

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Speaker 2: My good friend?

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Speaker 3: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 1: Is he Presley? Is Presley Couch? Is he Presley?

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Speaker 2: WHOA?

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Speaker 1: That sounds a little weird?

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Speaker 3: Is he President?

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Speaker 2: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 3: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 2: The heaviest, gurthiest rocky j around?

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Jeffer. You listen to Izzy Presley.

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Speaker 3: Those aren't pillow, Jeff Maybe they are pillows. I don't know. Hello,

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Las Vegas, Hello world, Hello, my loyal minions. It is

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good to see you. It's always good to be seen.

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I'm Mizzey Presley. I'm the host of the program. It's

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called Another Refin Podcast. I have a great show lined

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up for you. And before we get to our guests,

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just want to remind you hit that Patreon. It's only

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five dollars a month. Patreon dot com slash Real Lizzy Presley,

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this show is gonna come out Mitch on the twenty

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fourth and twenty fifth. Today's the fifteenth. You know what's

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happening tonight. This is going on the Patreon. This is

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going on the Patreon tonight.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful so people can hear it tonight. And if the

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world doesn't exist on October twenty fourth.

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Speaker 3: Then that's right, they will have heard it. That's right.

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That's right. And it's ad free. Patreon's ad free, completely

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ad free. That's what you want, that's what you need,

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just really quick. If you are in Vegas tonight, tonight,

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Friday the twenty fourth, come down to the Tuscany and

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One Last Kiss is playing and I'm hosting the show.

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It's gonna be great. Halloween contest is going to be great.

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And November thirteenth, One Last Kiss the Bones at the

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Dive Bar the official unofficial pre party for the Kiss

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Fest that is going on, and I will also be

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hosting that. A lot of great stuff going on. DJ

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Noise is coming in, We Got Yo Dog is coming out,

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hanging out in the parking lot and selling some chili

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dogs and kind of good stuff like that. But without

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further ado, I'm very excited about this one, Ladies and gentlemen.

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This man is an icon in the PR world. He's

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a former journalist, which I really want to get into

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is especially because you did in the seventies, which is

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really really freaking cool. He is from the Schneider Rondon Organization,

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also formerly the MSO Mitch Schneider Organization, among a couple others.

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Mitch Schneider, is it you for Mitch or Mitchell? Mitch Mitch?

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I like it. I like it because I had I

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interviewed Brian Slago this afternoon and he was tell Mitchell.

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I said, hi, okay, and.

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when they first came out, and it was just yeah,

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it was perfectly insane, and something like that always will

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attract me. Yeah, that's you know, like when I was

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when I was sixteen years old, I used to read

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The Village Voice, and that was nineteen seventy two. I

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saw an ad and a story about the New York Dolls.

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friend who was sixteen years old and it was three

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dollars to get in. The opening act was Ruby and

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the Rednecks. Their debut album wouldn't come out until the

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and my friends are listening to The Grateful Dead, the

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radio would play everything. Yeah, so we went down and

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just the visual aspect was just really galvanizing for me.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And there was some early rivalry there, of course,

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remember going to. Wow, there aren't There's some that I

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going after Hendrix, Cream the Doors, that's kind of what's

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going to light your world up. Elvis was not, you know,

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despite his greatness, he was not counterculture. And if you

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older brother, there was Jael House Rock, all those singles

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were there, so you're aware of his of his importance.

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there was no inkling whatsoever. No, I had no effect

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is really intensely sad. Yeah, now, and it's obviously following

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the earlier depths of Jim Morrison, Hendrix and Joplin. And

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you know his story. You know, obviously he got heavy,

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there was drugs and you know what, no T shirt.

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I have a war tonight. I have a T shirt

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that says culture and there's a picture of Nixon and

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Elvis Presley shaking hands.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's such a great T shirt to wear out

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because people can't figure what side of the aisle you're on, right,

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because it's just like an image of chaos.

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of those great T shirts. If you were, you know,

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of it, which is exciting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean for me, it's just like, dude, that's badass.

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first came first? Kiss? Kiss first came on your radar?

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Michael Bramble told me to say hi to by the way.

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radar because you see that they're playing. Because if you

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had seen the New York Dolls, then you start to

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Hotel Diplomat and interesting venues, and they just didn't get

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on my radar then. And I think because there was

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that rivalry between the Dolls and Kiss that in my

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the Dolls first. And you know, look, they were anointed

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by the rock critic intelligentsia and Kiss were certainly not

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not to get too far ahead of the story. I

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would go on to handle Kiss during the non makeup

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era when Bruce Cullick was in the group, and it's

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so happy that I had a chance to reunite and yeah,

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versus now a friend here in Las Vegas. So that

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for them in all of those magazines, whether it's Hit,

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they weren't cracking the mainstream like they were obviously when

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this to Gene and Paul when I first started working

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the sex pistols, and okay, so sex pistols and now

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you're telling me Love Gun. So it immediately and immediately

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that this is not as you know. I mean, I

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liked the anarchy that was being served up by the sea,

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so love Gun, you know the same thing. I reviewed

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taking the position that this is really a fine sounding

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record and it's perfect for people who are only into

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the into anarchy on the weekends, because you know, they're

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blue collar workers, and you know, I was, I was

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know how to express it. And the great rock critic

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an argument. What is your position and start drawing on

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examples from the album. Is this living up to sort

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of maybe the boast of the title. Do the lyrics

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fall short? Are they write on it? Is it matched

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like one of the great rock singers, and one side

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of it is virtual. Well, first of all, one side

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is coming to you. This is like rock's one of

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rock's greatest stars and he's basically taken his vocals off

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virtually a whole side of an elbow. And you're sitting

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there and you know the Internet is not really happening,

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so you're kind of going to yourself, what are other

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people thinking about this record at Rolling Stone or wherever?

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a pedigree because obviously Brian Eno produced it, so you

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knew that was coming in from a highly artistic place

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and you could get with that mindset, and but it

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was shocking just to sit there and go, I couldn't

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refer to like what the what's the growing buzz on

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this record? People digging it? Or are they being alienated

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by it? So that was really exciting to like call

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the shots. And you have to remember test pressing, so

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there's no artwork given to you. Once in a while

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you'd get somehow you'd get the artwork. They would maybe

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mail you the lyrics or something if I asked for

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it or it came in the package, you know, I

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just forget.

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Speaker 3: But that's how the world rolled in. It was just

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totally different. So when when they sent you something to review,

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promo copy. It was a test pressing.

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Speaker 1: And I wish I would have saved all the tests

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before they're truly advanced CDs like Tom Petty's Wildflowers, Alanis

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Morrisset's supposed former Infatuation Junkier second record, all people I

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work with, so I would get the music right. And

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advanced CDs that were given to me that were prepared

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for me. Yeah yeah, so uh, but then again there's

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not room for everything to keep and you can't take it,

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which trust you when we get I did save most

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of my writings, and as you can see online, like

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ramon show at the Palladium in New York City in

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nineteen seventy seven, and it was just one of those

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incredible nights because the music scene was and it was

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a serious threat to mainstream rockers. And I remember that

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show came when the Ramones put out their third record,

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which is their greatest record, Rocket to Russia. But when

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with it because at that point I'd experienced garage rocker

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ready and then my tastes had become more bowie roxy,

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and I thought when I heard the Ramones record for

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my taste, like, why are you going back? I mean,

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I didn't sort of like so that primitive quality that

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very fast, The Ramones Leave Home. It was a bit

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more of the same, but on Rocket to Russia, it

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just all comes together sound the songs, I mean, Rockaway

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Beach is probably one of the greatest rock and roll

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tunes ever. So that night I was in connection with

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their uh with the release of that record. They were

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opening for Iggy and it was just really remarkable. Soupy

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Sales introduced Iggy on stage because Hunt and Tony Sales,

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Soupy's kids are in the band.

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, you're you're looking around, there's Patty

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Smith there. You know, there's the Dead Boys and the Dictators.

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I come from the Bronx, The Dictators come from the Bronx. Yeah,

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a lot of people don't realize there is a missing

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link between the New York Dolls and the Ramones and

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it's the Dictators.

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I think in various forms. Yeah. Yeah, because my good

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friend Keith Roth who's on Serious XM, Yeah he's and

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he's veteran of this show as well. You know, he's

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in the Dictators. So it's just I don't see that

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that whole genre it's nothing. I mean not that it's nothing,

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it's just like it just like you said, it just

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there's just nothing there that grabbed me. So I never

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really got into the Ramones. I never really I went

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to a Ramones tribute show that they used to do

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in Minneapolis every year, and it was like three hours

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long and just you know, just different music, Like it

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was like a jam night type thing, and I'm just like,

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it all sounds the same, you.

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there is definitely a sameness. In fact, in that review

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that I posted from Good Times of Iggy and the Ramones,

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I did say in there, I said, I love the

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energy of this band, but the sameness of the sound

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is going to hurt them. And then I wrote, but

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there are admirers that probably would just tell me to

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fuck off, And I was yes, and I was right.

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They did ultimately connect. What was really exciting to me

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about all of that music was the lyrics, Like the

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Dead Boys. I mean, you listen to Sonic Reducer, it

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starts to capture that sense of people being really alienated

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and growing up in New York City. Rubert Murdoch takes

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over the New York Post and the New York Post

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blue collar paper, and he turns its sensationalist. So like

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when the Son of Sam killings happened. The serial killer,

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by the way, Son of Sam went to my high school.

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Really he graduated three years before I did. What I

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never knew him right and in the same building with him. Yeah,

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I might have had his desk get in one of

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my classes. I don't know, So you have so like

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one of the great crazy headlines of the New York

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Post was after they capture uh, David Berkow it's the

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son of Sam. There's a picture of him laying in

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a jail cell and the headline says Sam sleeps. And

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this is like a daily newspaper, and all of a

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sudden it was whoa. So the punkers are definitely feeding

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off the sensationalism of the newspaper reportage, and you're seeing

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the lyrics just sort of capture this sense of like

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just crazy anarchy that was happening in New York City

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at that point. So that's so like, you know, just

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driving are I have a great over it's called Overseas

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Punk Gems and that's my playlist on Spotify. Undertones are

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on there, Buzzcocks, all of these great bands. I mean,

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these are sharp sounding records with really incisive lyrics that

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very special. I do miss that era of music. It

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really was galvanizing.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's I think it goes with the age too.

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you're getting exposed to it. Like I heard First Kiss

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when I was four years old, you know, but like

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in the eighties, I was that was my teenage years,

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you know, into the early nineties and once the eighties

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glam rock as I call it, I hate that term

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hair metal, which I'm sure you've dealt with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's like it never really bothered me.

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I thought it was kind of funny and it did

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capture I think a sense of humor that those bands had,

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true and I handled a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: I did well.

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Speaker 1: I did Poison, Aerosmith, Whitesnake. Then we can go down

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to the the next tier. Shotgun, Messiah Babylon, I d

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Electric Boys.

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Speaker 3: Who was the biggest pain in the ass? And why

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was it?

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Speaker 1: X y Z?

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Speaker 3: What do you well?

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about Pat?

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Speaker 3: Pat fun Page?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so x y Z is one of the bands

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that we handle. I only have good memories of them

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that we reunited here in Las Vegas, and he came

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to one of my mixers because I do these people

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need people mixers where I just love to invite people

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and they can all vibe with each other. And uh,

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Pat reintroduced himself to me and I said, wow, x

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y Z you know, uh so that was great. So

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we did all of that. One of them, I have

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to tell you, I did RAT. God, you know, it's

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one of the great things I did with Rat for PR.

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I got the m key to the city Mayor Bradley

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and Los Angeles gave it to them, and I asked

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if he could write the proclamation. I have to find

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it somewhere that he would give the group a key

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to the city's sewers. Oh my god, there's gold which

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ripped off you know, Rat. Yeah, absolutely, And I have

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the proclamation exists, I may I think I have it

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in the house somewhere, and maybe it exists somewhere online.

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So I would do crazy PR stuff like that, and

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I relish what I do, and I handle lots of

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great artists. Now, I think the time was just different

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than that. It was the hairt you know, the hair

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metal bands or glam rock what you know, the post

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eighties glamrock. Yeah, those guys had so much ambition that

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it was really remarkable to me, and that by the

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time grunge comes around, it starts to get really depressing.

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I would tell people, there's nothing more exciting than being

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backstage at a Poison show. Right before they go on,

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they have their pool, you know, filled up with beer. Yeah,

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there's great music. By the way, one of the great

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backstage scenes is the Black Crows some mad and I

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handled them for many, many years. And I remember this

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one time. I was at Radio City when Oasis, whose

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career was not taking off even though they had hits,

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couldn't really grant they couldn't resonate in America, so they

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took a tour with the Black Crows. It was co headline.

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Speaker 3: But what year was this about.

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Speaker 1: Was maybe a late nineties late night.

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Speaker 3: I think I saw that show at Excel Energy Center

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in St. Paul. If it would have been early, that

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was early two thousands. Maybe they had did it before that.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. I guess there was one, and

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it was called the Tour of Brotherly Love, which was

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playing off the you know, the fights that all the

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brothers would have in both bands. And I was at

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Radio City Music Hall. Oasis comes off stage. They co

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into the Black Crows backstage area, and the Black Crows

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have the greatest music playing. You know, they're going into

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Terry Reid, They're going deep into Rocks back pages for

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their music and Oasis were just vibing with them. And

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then all of a sudden, the road manager says too.

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He screams out to the Black Rows, You're on stage

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in three minutes. So I was just so having such

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a great time being amidst these great people enjoying themselves

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and enjoying the great music. Then I had a run

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downstairs and by the time I got into the front

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area where my seat was, they were already the Black

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Crows were into their first song. And what I thought

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was great because you know, we're living in an era now,

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and not to really put anybody down, there are people

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doing prayer circles before they go on stage. The Black

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Crows there was no end. I mean, it was a

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different kind of prayer circle, I might say. It was

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just about getting loose in many different ways, including the music.

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And they took that energy of their party backstage right

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on to the stage and I got to experience it

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both and I just it was one of the it's

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one of my most indelible nights of being in the

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music business because it was no bullshit. It was it

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was real, uh, and it was just it was funny,

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like you're on stage, your party has to stop. There's

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like five thousand people at Radio City Music.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's just well, it's so funny

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that you talk about the party and then into the

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depression of grunge because I always say that people can

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shit on eighties hard eighties rock all they want, But

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for me, it was an escape from reality because it

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was about the drugs, it was about the chicks, it

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was about the party. And then you get to the

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Seattle scene where the drug of choice was different. You

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go from that cocaine which is the upper to the

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downer of the heroine, and all of a sudden they're

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saying about how bad their life is. It's like, dude,

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I know how bad my life sucks me?

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Speaker 1: So what's really interesting about the grunge era? And lyrically

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for some of those bands, they're talking about being the

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kids of post of divorced parents. Now that was not

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a topic, right, that was really in popular music then.

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So grunge brought a real thinking person's attitude, philosophy outlook

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to music, which was really important. But there is just

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you can't deny when you when you turn the radio

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on and you hear poisons ain't nothing but a good time.

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It just makes you feel like you're alive and maybe

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the world's not as messed up as it is and

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so on, and those guys like C. C. Deville. He

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loved me the second I told him I saw the

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New York Dolls because his guitar style is right off

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of Johnny Thunder. Absolutely, you know, it's a more metal

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version of right, but at its core it's like you're

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you know, you listen to some of those you know

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CC guitar runs, they're right out of the Thunder you

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know style book, And so he just he was like,

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tell me about it. Got such a funny poison story.

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I remember I go out to meet them at a

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state fair in Michigan, and because I was the group

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was going to meet me for the first time, management

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kind of hired me already, but they said, you really

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should meet the group, but they sign off on you,

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and I said, well, that's great because I would like

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to have that sign off so they you know, so

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I feel like they'll be confident in me. And I remember,

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you know, one of the things I'd like to do

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with musicians, I like to interview them or if I'm

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not getting to the interview part. Yet just have conversations like, Hey,

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what band's inspired you? And I remember I asked Bobby Doll, like,

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which band you know really had an influence on you?

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And he said Fog had and to me was utterly shocking,

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like out of all the bands. And that is not

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to put Bobby down, or I think if you hear

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Slow Ride Full for the City, there is this arena rock,

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big positive feeling and if you hear it at a

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certain age, it's going to impact you. And I get it.

473
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,359
But I just remember scratching my head going, wow, that's

474
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,039
I mean so much so that I can just remember

475
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:55,680
it right now.

476
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,079
Speaker 3: Oh, that's so wild. It's so funny. Because so I

477
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,640
work on the Monsters of Rock Cruise, Cruise of the

478
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:03,359
Edge and on the Larry Moran who I'm sure you know,

479
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,440
and we do these charity auctions and on the last

480
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,880
years on the Blue Cruise, one of the one of

481
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,519
the items that was up for auction was a fog

482
00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:18,279
hat hat but all it said was fog, So it

483
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,319
was a fog hat. It was like the most brilliant

484
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:21,880
thing ever.

485
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,319
Speaker 1: You know. That's fun Yeah, it captures the sense of

486
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,720
humor of that time. I mean, I remember going to

487
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:34,240
a Black Sabbath party up in a hotel with an

488
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,319
indoor pool, and I forget which hotel it was, and

489
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,920
it was celebrating I forget which Sabbath album, and the

490
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,240
cake went in the pool that they presented the group with.

491
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,759
It was just all these kind of like hijinks. One

492
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:49,279
of the great things about being a rock critic in

493
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,200
New York City in the seventies, it was record company

494
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,000
big budgets. Every group that came through New York City

495
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:57,640
were given an after party.

496
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

497
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:02,519
Speaker 1: I remember for ten Cec I went to a Jamaican restaurant.

498
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,119
Was Jamaican Holiday one of their songs. Yeah, So there

499
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,759
was always like a tie in. One of the craziest

500
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,440
parties I went to was the Leonard skinnerd party, And

501
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:15,200
this is definitely when you know Ronnie's them, and it

502
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,200
was held at Nathan's on like fifty sixth Street in

503
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:24,279
the downstairs well. Because there were various locations from that night,

504
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:28,519
you can find a picture. And my friend Jim Farber,

505
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:31,960
who's a very acclaimed journalist rock journalist who still writes,

506
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,799
we hung out to the end. And Richard Aaron, the

507
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,200
photographer who photographed a lot of amazing stuff. They brought.

508
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,319
Two monkeys were brought to this party, so Richard Aaron

509
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:51,440
had the idea to sort of place the monkeys next

510
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:57,559
to Leonard Skinnyard two of them and put a cigarette

511
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,880
so like I have to send you it's on the end.

512
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,720
You can find it. Yeah, and like the monkey like

513
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,039
holding a cigarette, And it was just like one of

514
00:27:05,079 --> 00:27:07,319
those crazy things because we were hanging. We stayed at

515
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,839
the end of party and I looked over and I

516
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,279
went and years later I asked my friend Jim, because

517
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,559
I don't know that's I think that picture probably appeared

518
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,279
in the random notes section of Rolling Stone, but I

519
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,079
don't remember. But I asked Jim, were we really there?

520
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,359
And he goes, Mitch, yes, Because so much of it

521
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,200
is because the Internet didn't exist right right, and a

522
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,319
lot of it is pulled from your mind. So I

523
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:35,799
was in many situations that I was going to I'm

524
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,880
going to post a story in November because I looked

525
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,200
nineteen seventy five, I had a disco column in Good

526
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,200
Times aside from running it out Rock, I love disco. Wow,

527
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,279
you grow up in New York City, you knew especially

528
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,440
nineteen seventy three, before disco is reaching critical mass. It's

529
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,359
a combination of Latin rock and R and B. You

530
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,319
mix it together and you're gonna get disco. And so,

531
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,160
you know, listen, think of the OJ song I Love Music.

532
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:08,640
It starts out with congas, yeah, and it's just that's

533
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,200
nineteen seventy five. So I write about in this column

534
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:14,759
that I was invited as a press person to come

535
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,960
to the unveiling of Donna Summer at a at a

536
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,400
at a posh Manhattan disco, where she performed, probably to

537
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,240
a backing track love to Love You Baby, which of

538
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:29,960
course is one of the most you know, famous and

539
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,519
controversial songs because the way she you know, she impersonates orgasm.

540
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, that's right.

541
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's I mean, that song and its day

542
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,920
was really super controversial. Yeah, and then she performed it.

543
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,960
And I'm like going through my articles, going wow, fifty

544
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:53,119
years ago in November nineteen seventy five, here I was watching,

545
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,319
you know, Donna Summer's unveiling as that song is starting

546
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,359
to become a hit before it goes the whole away.

547
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,400
So I had like great moments like that, And again,

548
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:08,000
my stories are my stories. Are my Internet. It's kind

549
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:10,839
of like a day like like the database, like, oh yeah,

550
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,559
I was there at that show. I remember going to

551
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,680
see like Rufus at the Felt Form, which was the

552
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:21,160
smaller adjoining place to the Madison Square Garden, and I

553
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,599
remember like Chaka Khan she was on stage and she

554
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,799
would kind of like tease the guys in the front,

555
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,519
like to try to like, you know, touch your legs because.

556
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: It was not.

557
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,039
Speaker 1: Those shows really didn't have barriers then like they do now,

558
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,680
and as they would grab like for her feet, she'd

559
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:43,000
kick them and it was great, and I wrote I

560
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:44,680
have to find that review, and I know I wrote

561
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,000
about it because I thought, wow, that's great. It's you know,

562
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,519
she was definitely into sort of like the burlesque of

563
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:51,000
the moment.

564
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:51,799
Speaker 3: She was great.

565
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,599
Speaker 1: So I went to all these great shows and were

566
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,279
you seeing so were you seeing like Blondie?

567
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? What were your what were your thoughts of blonde then?

568
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,559
And compared to what they turned into when they the

569
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,400
radio success.

570
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:08,119
Speaker 1: Okay, so the first time I go to CBGB's it's

571
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,680
a great story there. I'm writing for good Times. I

572
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,240
think it's seventy five, and my friends down the street

573
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,160
said their friend is going to be over their house

574
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,400
and you should come over. His name is Walter Lore.

575
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,640
So I go over there and Walter says, oh, I'm

576
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,119
in a band called Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers and

577
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,000
we're playing at CBGB's and he knew I was writing

578
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:30,160
for good times. He goes, you should come. So I

579
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,000
went to the show and that was incredible because that's

580
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,039
before CBGB's reached his critical mess and that show and

581
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:40,559
I'll send you that review that I wrote that night.

582
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,720
I was very naive, but I could definitely feel that

583
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:51,079
glitter rock which the New York Dolls just made so glorious.

584
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,960
It was changing. And then the heroine entered the scene.

585
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,519
And then at that point, Richard Hell was in Johnny

586
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:01,039
Thunders and the Heartbreakers. They might have even just been

587
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,519
called the Heartbreakers then. And there was a song he

588
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,359
had that he would use on his solo career when

589
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,960
he did that after he leaves the Heartbreakers, called the

590
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,559
Blank Generation. And here it is seventy five, and this

591
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,960
is before punk really happen, and I'm watching for the

592
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,039
first time, never having heard a record because it wasn't recorded.

593
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,839
I belonged to the Blank Generation. I could take it

594
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,720
or leave it each time, and right away it's like, wait,

595
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,160
that's a big attitude to have. That was so different

596
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:36,240
from what glam rock was. Glamrock was about a lot

597
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:38,240
of things, and I mean everything from having a good

598
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:41,119
time to the craziness of New York City going out

599
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:44,440
in the early drugs and all of that. And now

600
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,799
it turns darker. So I don't get to see Blondie

601
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,440
at CBGB's, but I see them open for Iggy at

602
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,000
the Palladium, and that Iggy show precedes the one that

603
00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,880
I would see him with later. And that's the tour

604
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,960
where David Bowie is the keyboardist and background vocalist, so

605
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,079
Blandy is the opening act. So that must be that's

606
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,039
early seventy seven, and that's another great night in New

607
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,640
York City because you could feel that these bands who

608
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:18,680
had been simmering, they were starting to gain a ground

609
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,519
and that was wonderful and they were you know, when

610
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:26,440
you put on Blondie's greatest hits, every song sounds different.

611
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,240
I mean, think about the tide is high to call me,

612
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,279
you know, to their original early punk roots with that

613
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:37,279
great song ex Offender. They then you have the rap, Yes,

614
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:39,799
you have the rap and then she puts out kind

615
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,279
of a rap album too. It was called I think

616
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:47,519
Kru something like that. But anyway, yeah, so that was great.

617
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:51,599
I remember seeing the Talking Heads at CBGB's when they

618
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,559
were a three piece before they add Jerry Harrison and

619
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:01,960
just experiencing it was really remarkable too, because you know,

620
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:06,400
aside from CBGB's, there was Maxis Kansas City, and I

621
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,680
saw Patty Smith there, and then there was a club

622
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:16,440
called Hurrah. I saw x X God, one of my

623
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440
favorite bands. So I see them in November nineteen seventy

624
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,559
eight and they don't even put their debut album out

625
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,759
until nineteen eighty and everybody's in front of the stage

626
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,119
going like punk from Los Angeles? Is that even possible?

627
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,319
They drive cars? How could it be punk? Because everybody

628
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,319
in New York City it was like you roll up

629
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,240
in cabs, yeah, or you get out of the subway

630
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,200
and you try not to be seen getting out of

631
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,240
the subway because then people would think your bridge and

632
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,640
tunnel was supposed to be like living on the island itself.

633
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:52,440
And so there was Max's. There was even before I

634
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,680
guess maybe when Max's was happening, but they weren't booking Rocket.

635
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,279
There was a place called Club eighty two. It was

636
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,880
a downstairs basement club. The Dolls played there, and you

637
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,160
would go there when they didn't have live music, just

638
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,680
to dance to the glam rock of the era. And

639
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:10,199
also you have to remember that, you know, the New

640
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,519
York Dolls definitely introduced this concept of men dressing as women.

641
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: Yep.

642
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,079
Speaker 1: And as you're going into the glam rock world, then

643
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:22,719
I see Wayne County and Wayne County is the first

644
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:30,400
rock transvestite who ultimately becomes transsexual. And I was there

645
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,920
the night at CBGB's were handsome Dick Manitoba from the Dictators.

646
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,480
He's in front of the stage and there was rivalry

647
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,199
between a lot of bands and he was making and

648
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,199
as the story is told that Wayne County thought that

649
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,599
he was goading him for being gay. And so because

650
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,119
there was no barrier at CBGB's between the stage and

651
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,719
the audience, it was and it's kind of the stage

652
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,039
was like a platform almost, and it really wasn't like

653
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:04,119
a stage. Remember, and the story that Dick Manitoba says

654
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,159
that he went up after goading him and like there

655
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:10,800
could have been some spitting going on I forget that

656
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:13,320
he needs to go to the bathroom, and sometimes you

657
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,159
have to. You had to step on the stage to

658
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,119
get to the bathroom in the back, and Wayne County

659
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,199
perceived it that handsome dick Manitoba was going to attack him.

660
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,679
So Wayne County takes his microphone stamp and cracks them

661
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,159
over and breaks his his show, his collar bone. And

662
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,719
at that time, the York the New York scene splits

663
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,320
between people who liked the Dictators and people who liked

664
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Wayne County, and so it became like a Maxi's Kansas

665
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,920
City versus CBGB's because it just rolled that way. And

666
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,719
then so that was like a division in that. It's

667
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,960
just like I think back and I go, it's crazy.

668
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:53,480
I saw the Dead Boys first show, and I've told

669
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:55,440
this to Cheea Chrome when I've seen him out in

670
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,199
about here. I saw their very first show and they

671
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,480
were just incredible and it felt like New York was

672
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:05,960
I mean, they were from Ohio, but it was like, Wow,

673
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,519
America is going to have its own sex pistols because

674
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:12,000
they had they had that, you know, with songs like

675
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:17,719
Sonic Producer and everything, you know, you know, I mean,

676
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,800
their first record was called Young loud and snotty. They

677
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:24,280
seemed really threatening. Great show. So these were these were

678
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,239
all these great elements, and you know, you could read

679
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,280
about it in the Village Voice. Lisa Robinson, the great

680
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,280
rock critic. She was also the editor of Rock Scene magazine,

681
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:39,079
and although they to sell copies, they obviously had to

682
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:41,400
put the rock starts of the day kind of on

683
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,960
the cover. But she would slide in all of these

684
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,800
groovy new bands from New York City. And that's how

685
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:52,280
some of those bands were gaining national attention, is that

686
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,960
she would put stories on them in her national magazine.

687
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:55,519
It was great.

688
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: What was it so watching all those bands come up

689
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,800
in New York What was that like compared to watching

690
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,480
all those bands come up in LA after you had

691
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:06,000
made the move.

692
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:12,039
Speaker 1: Well, I feel very lucky. I'll start by saying, because

693
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,599
I got to see the renaissance of music in New

694
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,519
York City. Yeah, it would be again, you know Ramon's

695
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,920
Talking Heads television, yea, Donnie thunders. Then I moved to

696
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,719
LA in seventy nine and one of the first shows

697
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,400
I see, of course, is ex having loved them because

698
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,039
I didn't finish, I could take the start. I just

699
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:31,159
fell in love with them because I thought, wow, punk rhythm,

700
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:36,400
a rockabilly guitarist, a male female vocal dynamic, that to

701
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:40,360
my mind was like suggesting Jefferson Airplane. And I thought,

702
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,320
this is all in one band. And although they hadn't

703
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,360
put out recordings yet, you could feel from the songs,

704
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,199
you know, Johnny Hit and Run, Pauline Sex and Dying

705
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,880
in High Society. It was like, Wow, this is really thrilling.

706
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,679
So I come to LA and Rodney Bingenheimer is my

707
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,800
guide to Los Angeles every Sunday night, Rodney on the

708
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,039
he would tell you what to listen to, where to go.

709
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:06,320
That was the whole thing. If you want to become

710
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,000
part of any music scene, you have to go to

711
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:14,519
the gigs. And I got to see one of the

712
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:18,679
great unrecorded bands. There is something on Spotify called The Screamers.

713
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,519
Their demos. The Screamers were an electronic punk band. In

714
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:26,599
some ways, they sounded a little bit like Devo. They

715
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,039
were just in a wild, wild charisma. Tomato to Plenty

716
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:35,000
was the lead singer, very a very iggy styled a

717
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,360
lead singer in front Man and then the Go Gos

718
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:43,199
Blasters and all of this is just happening and then

719
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,239
there's a lot of great groups that you know, didn't

720
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,199
achieve success, Alley Cats, The Bags, and my favorite Castration Squad.

721
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,559
It's one of the great names, great names.

722
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

723
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: That's like one of those things I don't even need

724
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,760
to know what your music sounds like. I will tell

725
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,599
everybody I know that this is my favorite new band,

726
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,519
just simply because the name is just so outrageous.

727
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

728
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: So, uh, that was great. And that's what I always

729
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,400
thought was great about the punk scene because even though

730
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,760
like some people perceive the negativity of it, I thought

731
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,920
the humor was just great and one of the great

732
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,760
things about the punk thing, I have to say. You know,

733
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,360
the New York Times used to they would never say,

734
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:25,159
like if they were describing these expistols and they were

735
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:28,239
talking about Johnny Rotten, they have to put mister Rotten.

736
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,199
And then for the Damned it was mister Scabies, and

737
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,440
so on and so forth. So it was really funny

738
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:37,719
in that era of like when these bands start getting

739
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,559
attention that the traditional mainstream papers are writing about them

740
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,880
and they have to use their format of mister Rotten.

741
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,079
It was wonderful. Those were like the greatest days, you know,

742
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,360
I do keep my head into like what's new and

743
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:57,400
coming up? And I mean, I think it's really hard

744
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,800
for any musician right now because in some ways, I

745
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,119
I think everything may have been done, and I try

746
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,239
to tell myself, no, there's got to be another way.

747
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,440
Sometimes I put on Roxy Music's debut album. There you

748
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:14,400
have a psychedelic, progressive glam rock band with Brian Eno

749
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:18,800
in it on synth This is seventy seventy one, seventy two,

750
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,079
maybe a glamorrock singer Brian Ferry, And nobody has ever

751
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,960
sounded like them ever. Again, that's how timeless and how

752
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:31,719
unique they were, and I long for something like that.

753
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,599
I think these days, I think the economics of having

754
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:39,239
a band, you can't have too many members because the

755
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,199
clubs are only going to pay a certain amount of

756
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,079
money if they pay it all, right, if they play it, yeah,

757
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,119
if they can pay it all So you have that.

758
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,480
So for whatever reason, they were unique. They had a

759
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,400
record company behind them, and they were able to really

760
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,880
explore all of their creative ambition. That was a wonderful thing.

761
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,519
So I look for what's new and fresh. You know,

762
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:06,719
there'll always be somebody who puts a kind of news

763
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,280
spin on it. I do miss the virtuosity of the

764
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,360
first few eras of rock and roll. Yeah, I think

765
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,119
one of the problems of music is that I think

766
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:19,119
it's very easy now that people can make recordings in

767
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,840
their bedrooms or wherever, and the technology is such that

768
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:26,719
you can sound very good. But there's a big difference

769
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,920
between very good and great, and you can fool yourself

770
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:34,400
into thinking you sound very good yea, but it may

771
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:35,800
not be good enough.

772
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:42,679
Speaker 3: Right. But I think though sometimes the bad is sometimes

773
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,880
good though, you know what, you know what I mean though,

774
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,519
I mean it's like rock and roll is not supposed

775
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,840
to be perfect, right, you know, you know, so I

776
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,920
think there's a I think there's kind of a gray area.

777
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:58,119
Speaker 1: I think there is. But you know, again, if you

778
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,719
just listen to the Sex pistols and Steve Jones guitar,

779
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:04,519
that's just incredible. And here, you know, their image tended

780
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:06,679
to be of like you know, they were just you know,

781
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,079
just rebel rousers or whatever. Yeah, but like Steve Jones,

782
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:14,519
that's a virtuostic guitar sound. And I believe that people

783
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,920
honed their skills more by playing out live or oh

784
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,960
before they went into the studio. Now, it just seems

785
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,760
like you can record and put something up on Spotify

786
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,440
and then get gigs. But I really felt in the

787
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:30,800
earlier days that when you see it, when you saw

788
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,000
a band come out on stage, even a new band,

789
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,880
you knew that they had been sort of work shopping

790
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,079
as a live act for maybe once two years. And

791
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,079
you know, and I do like, you know, an anarchy

792
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:44,840
aspect of rock and roll, but I also like a

793
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,280
dynamite fucking great bass player, right, going to hold the

794
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,880
sound together, right, so it doesn't you know, it's not

795
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,800
all over the place.

796
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: I think another thing too, is I think people are

797
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,039
too comfortable now because you don't have six guys living

798
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,840
in a studio apartment together just trying to scrape by.

799
00:42:59,519 --> 00:42:59,679
Speaker 2: You know.

800
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 3: You know, there's that story of you know, genr was

801
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,599
living in a fucking a storage unit.

802
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: You know.

803
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:11,679
Speaker 3: It's like that to me, that helps create greatness because

804
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,639
that is hunger, you know, and once you lose the

805
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,880
hunger boom, you know, you lose the you lose the edge.

806
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: I totally agree. It's really difficult, especially now the way

807
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,920
the economy is. I mean, back then, people could afford

808
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,320
a lot of the rock stars who became rock stars.

809
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,480
They could afford to live in Manhattan, you know, in

810
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,239
you know, alphabet city of Lower New York City wherever,

811
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,320
and it was, you can you could exist like Blondie

812
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,480
they had, you know, they had a place. It's before

813
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:44,079
they had any money. And then now if you're a

814
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,960
new band coming up, you cannot live in Manhattan. So

815
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,239
of course, you know there's Brooklyn, which is hip, but

816
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,679
Brooklyn is now also overpriced, so it is really difficult.

817
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,760
I think the economy is different. Things are obviously much

818
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,719
more expensive, and I think that there's such a gulf

819
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,960
between rent and people's salaries. The golf is so wide.

820
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:08,800
It never used to be as wide.

821
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:09,079
Speaker 3: Right then.

822
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: So to say that we're going to put a really

823
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,559
unique five to six piece rock and roll band together,

824
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,480
that's really difficult to pull off because people have lives

825
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,440
and all of that. So yeah, so just getting back,

826
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:26,159
so coming to Los Angeles was incredible. So by day

827
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,519
at this point I become I'm a publicist. Yes, so

828
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:30,719
you did move into pr Yeah, so I got a job.

829
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,840
I couldn't find one in New York City back then

830
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:34,480
the industry was small.

831
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: You know, well, what let me ask you this, what

832
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,519
Drew you to the publicity game.

833
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,559
Speaker 1: Even though I was writing for Rolling Stones, Circus, Crawdaddy,

834
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:48,880
Good Times, High Fidelity, the editors would keep changing, and

835
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,119
every time an editor changed, you might find yourself not

836
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,719
writing for that magazine anymore because they're bringing in who

837
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,039
they want now. That worked to my advantage. I was

838
00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:00,440
writing for Circus, and the great original rock critic Paul

839
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:03,960
Nelson said, Hey, Mitch, I'm gonna be editing Rolling Stone's

840
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,400
record review section. Would you like to write for Yeah?

841
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

842
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: You didn't have to ask me, I just do it.

843
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:13,119
So that's when I began writing for Rolling Stone. But

844
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,320
I started to I started to feel that my options

845
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,079
could be limited. I had the forethought of, like, my

846
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,679
future is being dependent on a few people who are

847
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,480
changing roles. So I said I should become a publicist.

848
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,159
I was dealing with publicists. They gave me tickets to shows,

849
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:33,159
they sent me records, and I thought, I think I

850
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:34,960
could do this, and I could. You know, I could

851
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:36,880
having been a journalist. I could put myself in the

852
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,239
mindset of a journalist and describe music to them in

853
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,039
a way that would not be overhyped. And so I

854
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,320
get a job and I moved to Los Angeles. I

855
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,000
was a junior publicist Salters Roskin Friedman. The company was

856
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,599
led by the very great Lee Soldiers who handled Frank Sinatra.

857
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 3: Wow do you ever get to meet Frank?

858
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:02,519
Speaker 1: No Dolly parton Arbor Streisen, And there was a music department.

859
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:07,000
We handled Melissa Manchester, Leith Garrett, Daryl Hall, and John Oates,

860
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,280
Alice Cooper. So I was so during the day, I

861
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,280
was handling those kind of people. But I lived right

862
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,679
off Santa Monica Boulevard in West Hollywood, and there was

863
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,840
that great club, the Starwood, before it was knocked down

864
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,679
because there were complaints from the residents because one of

865
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:26,320
the things about La if you put a club on

866
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,960
a boulevard, there are residential homes behind the boulevard, and

867
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,119
of course, you know, people are young, and they're going

868
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:36,400
to piss on people's lawns, etc. And they the neighbors

869
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,079
got together and said, we don't want this anymore, and

870
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,719
so off went the Starwood. But I lived two and

871
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,559
a half blocks from the Starwood, so I saw go

872
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:53,360
Gos Blasters, ex Grace Jones, Plimsuls twenty twenty. You know,

873
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,480
aside from the punk bands of LA, there were the

874
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:59,320
you know, the power pop bands, not kind of like

875
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,920
how harm metal doesn't really tell you the story. Power

876
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:04,239
pop doesn't give you the full thing because like a

877
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,679
band like the Primsuls, they were kind of like more

878
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,199
garage rock inspired. And so I would see all this

879
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,400
great stuff. Were you seeing?

880
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,199
Speaker 3: No, were you seeing like Billy Ver and the Beaters?

881
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:17,480
Yes they were.

882
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,079
Speaker 1: I wasn't a fan, but that's not say they weren't good.

883
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:24,039
They weren't. They weren't in my space. Yeah, but they

884
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,519
would play the Star War because they were all you know.

885
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,119
And of course at this time you're starting to see

886
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:33,119
these interesting bands coming up that are more in the

887
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:37,239
heavy metal world. Yeah, so Riot, Yeah, So what happens

888
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,800
for me is I'm working at Soldiers in Roskin for

889
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,519
three and a half years and then I get laid off.

890
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:46,360
There was a recession in nineteen eighty two, so I

891
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,639
get laid off and I go back to writing, and

892
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,559
I help. I was one of the writers on the

893
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:53,840
Rolling Stones, like the PDIA Rock first Edition, and then

894
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,639
I was doing bios for Epic and something came in

895
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:02,280
Quiet Riot and I know, you know, I know Rudy Yeah,

896
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,079
and so I had to write the bio for it,

897
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:06,960
and I remember I dealt with Carol Peters May she

898
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,679
Rest in Peace, Spencer Prawford. That was Pasha Records, and

899
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,000
and I took note, wow, cover of Slades come on

900
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:18,599
Feel the Noise, and I thought, oh, this is kind

901
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:22,480
of interesting, like here's a glam rock band that's being

902
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:25,440
you know that they're famous songs being covered.

903
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: And then.

904
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: I remember, uh, then I started. Then I start to

905
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,960
work in Michael Levine Public Relations in eighty three, and

906
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:38,320
I was definitely aware that metal was coming up. So

907
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,280
one of my first clients there when I start in

908
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,559
eighty four, actually I start there, I think Danny Goldberg,

909
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,039
great record executive, calls me and says, I got this

910
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:53,679
band called Keel so I So I go out and

911
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,880
I see them, and I just I adored those guys.

912
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,920
Their album The Right to Rock. Yeah, yeah, and I

913
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,519
and I rebonded with him when they played. He played

914
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,119
the last Keel Ron Keel show. I know he has

915
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:10,800
like a solo thing, but yeah, it was the last,

916
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:13,239
the last time I'm playing Las Vegas in this configuration.

917
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,039
I went thought it was great. They just didn't if

918
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:20,559
they were on an Epic Records or on Warner Brothers,

919
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:24,000
and that's no disrespect to Danny Goldberg's gold Now, I

920
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,400
just think they only had so many resources.

921
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think there's a there's a couple of

922
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:32,199
labels that just didn't know what to do with rock banks.

923
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:34,159
Because there was this band out of Minneapolis called Slave

924
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,400
Raider and they were on r c RCA, but they

925
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,960
were on Jive and Jiva is where everybody went to

926
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:44,039
die pretty much because they had no idea what they

927
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:45,840
were because they were they were handling a lot of

928
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,280
rap stuff. So all of a sudden you get Slave Raider,

929
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:50,960
Slave Raider, you know, and it went nowhere.

930
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,199
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just depends like where you are, what's

931
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,079
the label, what's the way it works. I was kind

932
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:01,000
of amazed that here's like metal, Yeah, and I mean,

933
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:05,400
obviously at this point, Ozzie's happening in the eighties, in

934
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,639
the early eighties with all those classic albums. Yeah, and

935
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,639
that that's a good jumping off point for us to

936
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,239
get to my next thing. Right, So, nineteen eighty seven,

937
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:20,280
I'm working at Michael Levine Public Relations, and at this

938
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:26,199
point I'm handling Seeney easton Oreo Speedwagon, Wang Chung Everly

939
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,599
Brothers and they factor into my story. So I get

940
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:33,360
the Everly Brothers a star on Hollywood Boulevard I have,

941
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:36,159
you know, it just should have been given to them,

942
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:37,760
but there was a lot of politicking. I think it

943
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,159
took me three years to get them the star. So

944
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,360
we get the star, and I thought, well, we got

945
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,199
to have a pretty girl on the photo. Let's get

946
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,199
Linda Ronstack because she had covered Everly Brothers songs. She

947
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,719
was out of the country. And then there was Paul

948
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,440
McCartney because he wrote the Everly Brothers single on the

949
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,559
Wings of a Nightingale for their reunion record. He wasn't

950
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,320
coming to America then, because you know, Lennon had been

951
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,360
killed and he feared some kind of similar assassination. And

952
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,119
I remember reading somewhere that Tom Petty was a huge

953
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:07,480
fan of the Everly Brothers. So I call up his

954
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:11,000
office cold call, no one could email them. Yeah, and

955
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,159
the woman who picked the phone up, Mary Klauser, It

956
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,559
means a friend of mine to this day. I said,

957
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,639
I handle the Everly Brothers. They're getting a star on

958
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,480
Hollywood Boulevard and they would be honored. And I had

959
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,039
checked this out with the group first. If Tom Petty

960
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,199
could present them with the star and she'll like get

961
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,400
right back to you. It was like one of those things,

962
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:32,320
like in my mind it was like five minutes later,

963
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:35,280
Tom will do it. Send us over a memo of

964
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,320
what you need him to do. And I have that

965
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,199
memo because she brought it to me recently. She goes

966
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,599
a Mitch, I found this in my archives of how

967
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:43,840
you told you know what Tom was going to do.

968
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,480
And so that day it was great and I get

969
00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:51,599
to talk to Tom Petty. His managers felt very comfortable

970
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,719
with me. Just tell them what you need to do.

971
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:56,480
And I remember just telling him you could say three words,

972
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:58,480
or you could talk for three minutes or three hours,

973
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:00,840
it doesn't really matter whatever you want to do. I

974
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,599
think he just kind of liked that. I was just

975
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,760
so off the cup like that. So a few months later,

976
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,159
he's leaving his publicist at the time and the manager

977
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:10,719
calls me up and it says, Mitch, would you like

978
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,400
a meeting with Tom Petty. We obviously liked when we

979
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:18,039
met you, so I said yes, So I signed Tom Petty.

980
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,119
Then the manager says, you know I'm handling Stevie Nicks

981
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:24,280
and Fleetwood Mac have reconvened for an album that's going

982
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,960
to be called Tango in the Night. Would you like

983
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:29,239
a meeting? So I go up to the house. All

984
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:32,639
you know, all the members of Fleetwood Mac there, and

985
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,679
I'm going up against every other publicist in the country course,

986
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:39,719
and they say to me, you know, who else do

987
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,480
you handle? And I said, well Tom Petty and I

988
00:52:42,519 --> 00:52:45,840
stopped there. It's all I had to say, so already

989
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,239
I was. But they didn't know that I just had

990
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,760
gotten hired, or maybe they did that, maybe they were told,

991
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,119
I don't know. And then I remember in the meeting

992
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:56,920
the subject of photos came up, and I just said, well,

993
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,320
you really shouldn't do any photo shoots. You should just

994
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,719
do your own photo shoot and have multiple shots and

995
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,039
we give them out to the press, except maybe for

996
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:07,239
Rolling Stone. You know there's a cover, then maybe that's

997
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,440
a separate shoot. And I said, no embarrassing chin shots.

998
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,119
And Stevie Nicks looked over and she goes, I like

999
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:18,920
you and I had what, you know, looking back, I

1000
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,280
had young gun bravado and it was really attractive. You know,

1001
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,639
there's some like you know, when artists of today sign

1002
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,840
with younger publicists, you know, at first I flinched, like,

1003
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,639
how come I didn't get a call? How come I

1004
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,840
didn't get a meeting? And then I think, wait a second,

1005
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,480
those new people have this young gun bravado that I

1006
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:41,440
simply don't have anymore. I have something else called wisdom

1007
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,280
and professionalism, and I've been around the studio. I have that,

1008
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:48,199
and that's appealing to some. But there are some people

1009
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,760
who want the real young gun. So I was that guy.

1010
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,119
That was my moment. So after so I signed Fleetwood Mac.

1011
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,440
And then I get a call about Ozzy Osbourne. And

1012
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,400
I remember I met Sharon and Ozzy in Beverly Hills.

1013
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,960
They were renting a house on the flats of Beverly Hills.

1014
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,159
I remember I walked in with my partner, Michael Levine

1015
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,679
at the time. Actually he wasn't my partner at the time.

1016
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,119
I would become a partner at his company a year later.

1017
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,760
And Ozzie's laying on the floor, bare chested, probably was

1018
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,679
drunk er something. And we have the meeting and she goes,

1019
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,000
who do you handle and I said, Tom Petty and

1020
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:26,639
Fleetwood Mac. So I signed Ossy. And then she goes, well,

1021
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:29,239
you'll be great for Ozzy, And then I have a

1022
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,159
friend who was working at HK Management, my friend on

1023
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:35,760
Andrea Ocardo the Rest in Peace, and she goes, Mitch,

1024
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,119
you know, I was telling Trudy Green about you and

1025
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,800
Heart needs a publicist. And I go over there and

1026
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,079
she goes, who do you handle? And I said, Tom, Petty, Fleetwood,

1027
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,559
Mac and Heart. This is all happening within a thirty

1028
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:49,719
day period. It was one of those things where I

1029
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,559
kept I kept having like lottery tickets and it was

1030
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:56,320
just really remarkable. So that's how I really get on

1031
00:54:56,519 --> 00:55:01,119
the map truly as a publicist. And and the experiences

1032
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:04,760
I had with Ozzy were just incredible. He was just

1033
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,159
a sweetheart of man. Ozzy was that and more. I mean,

1034
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:10,679
the sense of humor was great. I remember it was

1035
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,559
must have been eighty eight. We were sent off to

1036
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,039
New York City to do promotion for the Randy Rhodes

1037
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:21,039
Ozzy Tribute Live album, and I remember a town car

1038
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:26,079
took me and Ozzy to Mark Weiss's photo studio, Love Mark,

1039
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:32,079
And somehow I can't seem to remember that did anybody

1040
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,280
arrange for the town car to wait for us?

1041
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 3: So after?

1042
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: And I was, you know, even though I was handling

1043
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,280
at that point. You know, Shaney Easton and all of

1044
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,079
those people, I just certainly never traveled with them, and

1045
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,039
I didn't know, and it just didn't occur to me,

1046
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,639
Like I just thought the car would be waiting, and

1047
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,000
I was wrong. So Ozzy and I had to get

1048
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,480
a cab on a really cold day, and we have

1049
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,920
all of his clothing. He's carrying some of it and

1050
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,119
I'm carrying some of it. He sees me melting down,

1051
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:02,440
because if you tried to get a cab in New

1052
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:05,159
York City at four o'clock, good luck. It's the time

1053
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,119
of the day for those who may not know where

1054
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:11,280
the cabs are turning over there, so they're returning to

1055
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,440
where they were and the new ones haven't exactly come

1056
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:16,920
out yet. Yeah, so there is like a half hour

1057
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,960
or more lag where there's not as many cabs. I

1058
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,719
call it the Cinderella Hour of New York City. And

1059
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,119
we couldn't get a cab. And he sees me melting down,

1060
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:28,880
and he starts laughing, and I just a I think

1061
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,199
he was impressed that I cared so much, Yeah, but

1062
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,920
I think he was. He was also like he got

1063
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,360
the humor of it. Yeah, So he was like that

1064
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,239
and you know, my daughter was born, Sharon and Ozzy

1065
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,079
sent over stock to my daughter in Disney, so you

1066
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:46,239
have a certificate that actually says Walt Disney and Ozzy

1067
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,000
and Sharon Osbourne are the certificate. So they were those people,

1068
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,079
and you know, when you work with somebody like Ozzy,

1069
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,079
you have to you're you know, you're embedded in that

1070
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:02,440
world because there's concert cancelation, there's uh you know. And

1071
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,559
Sharon would always say, I'm just thinking now about like

1072
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,440
when Ozzie would play and TV crews wanted to come shoot.

1073
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:09,199
She goes no, because all they're going to do is

1074
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,559
get a kid passed out drunk and going to put

1075
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,360
it on the news at ten o'clock. It's you know,

1076
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:17,280
this is where your kids are right now. And her

1077
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,039
attitude actually served me well. Years later, we have a

1078
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:23,920
meeting with Paul Tolett and Skip Page for what would

1079
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,920
be Coachella. They come up to our office and they say,

1080
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:30,599
we're going to do this festival and what are your

1081
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:33,800
feelings about TV? And I just looked at them and

1082
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,079
I said, no TV. I said, they're just going to

1083
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:39,199
get pictures of kids passed out on chemicals and it's

1084
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,960
not going to be good. So at that very first Coachella,

1085
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:45,239
we had MTV up our nostrils saying they want a

1086
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,119
position because they got that like they got it live. Yeah,

1087
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,320
and we said no. And and it was one of

1088
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,960
those things that had set the stage that no, this

1089
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,960
is what it and that's what it was, then that

1090
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,199
this is a special environment.

1091
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: You think that's one of the reasons Coachella kind of

1092
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,960
went up to what it was because you didn't have

1093
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,519
that aspect of it.

1094
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: I think that was there. But it does need to

1095
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,280
be told that the first Coachella is a failure economically,

1096
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,639
and the reason it's a failure is that Coachella. The

1097
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:22,239
first Coachella happens in October, when the bad Woodstock happened

1098
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:26,559
two months before. Oh okay, and you know, there was

1099
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,719
all these images obviously of kids rioting, et cetera. And

1100
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,880
I think parents were just like, you're not going to

1101
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,679
a rock festival. So the first Coachella only has twenty

1102
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,360
thousand people. It needed thirty to break even. And you know,

1103
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,360
from promoting it could be like the last five hundred

1104
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,360
people could get you over the line right when you're

1105
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,039
promoting an event, and so then Coachella doesn't come back

1106
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:53,039
for a year and a half, and it starts in

1107
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,800
year one, it's two days, it comes back as a

1108
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,760
one day, and then it comes back the year that,

1109
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,239
how Withchella reached its critical masses. The year that it

1110
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:08,480
was the Pixies, who were never that popular in their heyday,

1111
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:11,480
but Kurt Cobain talked up the Pixies so much with

1112
00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:16,239
Nirvana that all the kids knew that, you know, the Pixies,

1113
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,559
you know, had a reputation. There was craft Work, Radiohead

1114
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,039
and Pixies. I remember looking out at the field and

1115
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,760
this might have been year three or four. My mind's

1116
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,119
a little fuzzy, and I said to my team, Wow,

1117
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:33,079
take a look, it's starting to happen. So yes, So

1118
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,119
in the early days there was no TV images, so

1119
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:38,480
you kind of had to read about it, Yeah, in

1120
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,360
newspapers or magazines. I mean, obviously the online world is

1121
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,519
starting to percolate by the late nineties after kind of

1122
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:51,280
being introduced ninety six ninety seven, so that was really big.

1123
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,440
So there was there was an aura of mystery and

1124
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:58,400
utter coolness. You could not see with no disrespect Mark

1125
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:03,159
Goodman or Nina Blackwood, bless their hearts, saying we're backstage

1126
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:07,320
here at Coachella and next up is Frank Black. No,

1127
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:12,159
that did not happen, you know. So I remember, you know,

1128
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:15,840
in the VIP section in maybe years three and four,

1129
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,199
where you know, you would have the Paris Hilton start

1130
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:23,280
to come to Coachella and that crowd and the Golden

1131
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,079
Voice people who put on Coachella. They were like, this

1132
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,519
is not the image that we want. And so years

1133
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:35,840
later they did take away the VIP section remained for VIPs.

1134
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,440
It used to be VIP and press, but the press

1135
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:41,000
were seeing all this, so they were writing about, oh,

1136
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:46,679
Paris Hilton's here. So now it's still at Coachella. The

1137
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,599
press section is completely different from the VIP section. So

1138
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,480
these are the things you get to experience in real time.

1139
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:57,039
And one of the great things I think about for

1140
01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,400
me and just looking back at my career, a lot

1141
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,360
of times you're in these moments that you do not

1142
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:07,159
know it will be history, right, You have no idea.

1143
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:08,840
In fact, if you try to tell yourself that, it

1144
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,000
would be like sort of high faluting and ridiculous.

1145
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:12,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure.

1146
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,639
Speaker 1: But just looking back, am I going wow, I saw

1147
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:17,719
the New York dollars before they were signed? And my

1148
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,280
ticket was three dollars. And so now I have in

1149
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,719
my h the Village Voice. I found through an old

1150
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,280
website the ad for the very show that I went to,

1151
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,360
and it says three dollars. Wow, best three dollars, right

1152
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,000
I ever spent?

1153
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1154
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so that so you know, going in those moments,

1155
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:42,000
we did pr for Electric Daisy Carnival, including the year

1156
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:45,119
unfortunately that the girl who is under age odd and

1157
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:48,960
then ADC gets kicked out of Los Angeles and then

1158
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,639
it moves to Las Vegas. But there was another situation

1159
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,159
like here we are doing publicity for this massive event,

1160
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,599
and we were getting a lot of festival business because

1161
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:00,599
people knew that we did Coachella' so they figure out

1162
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:02,320
these people are at least not going to fuck it

1163
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,840
up right right right. So we would get Voodoo Festival

1164
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,800
in New Orleans, which was really great because I got

1165
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:12,679
to travel. I got to really see New Orleans, like

1166
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,960
in three consecutive years. Whatever we were doing the festival

1167
01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:18,400
might be more, but I went. My team was doing it,

1168
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,440
but I went for like three years. I fell in

1169
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:22,199
love with you. I just fell in love with the city.

1170
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,559
So these were just a lot of the great things

1171
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:29,400
so and then so I hire a publicist. I could

1172
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,320
see EDM was getting big. In fact, people don't realize

1173
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,559
the very first Coachella, the bill is seventy percent electronic music, really,

1174
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:40,400
which was starting to happen in the downtown La Raves

1175
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,840
and over from England. And I remember afterwards we came

1176
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,760
back to the office a few days later. We were

1177
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,719
having lunch, which was great back because you know, people,

1178
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,440
this is like when people had physical offices. You would

1179
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,000
talk to people over you know, a sandwich. And I said,

1180
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:57,320
you know, I could like the energy of all those

1181
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,880
electronic artists. I think we should get an electronic pub

1182
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:04,039
assistant here. So somebody, a publicist who worked for me,

1183
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,480
Christine Ashton, she goes, I know this gal, Alexandra Greenberg

1184
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,400
said bring her in. Alex came to us and then

1185
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:15,320
all of a sudden, it's like we're handling David Ghetta cascade.

1186
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:19,119
These are like debut albums a Dead Mouse. And so

1187
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:22,480
I got a chance to see that world blow up

1188
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:24,039
right in front of us, to the point they put

1189
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:27,199
Dead Mouse on the cover of Rolling Stone. So it's

1190
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,159
really interesting to see that world happen. And I did

1191
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,960
you know a lot of the electronic music. A lot

1192
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,480
of it I think was a little bit more avant

1193
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:41,400
garde than it is now. Sasha and Digweed, stuff that

1194
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:45,000
was coming out of England, Underworld and obviously from America

1195
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,519
and Crystal Method from Las Vegas. They were avant garde.

1196
01:03:48,719 --> 01:03:51,480
They weren't like on the pop tip. So that really

1197
01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:53,880
appealed to the rock and roller in me because I saw,

1198
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,840
you know, I saw the rock and rollness in it. Okay,

1199
01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:01,360
just as anti authoritarian as I remember like Dead Mouse

1200
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,519
calling the office and telling Alexandra before he's even like famous,

1201
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,719
I don't want to do those interviews. And I remember

1202
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,119
alex came back into the off to my office one

1203
01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:12,480
day she goes, God, he's like yelling at me on

1204
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:14,800
the phone, and I said, you know, this could be good.

1205
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,280
It might mean he's going to be a star.

1206
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,639
Speaker 3: Well, so let me ask you this, then, Mitch, you

1207
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,079
think rock and roll is more of an attitude than

1208
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:23,800
a genre.

1209
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:27,599
Speaker 1: Then yes, I would say, for instance, like you can

1210
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,320
like you can have an artist. I mean people are

1211
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,280
saying that about young Blood, who in his music has

1212
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,880
elements of pop but he looks like a rock and roller. Yeah,

1213
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,280
But I yeah, I like when something is anti authoritarian, Uh,

1214
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:46,800
something is confrontational, you know, really just against the grain

1215
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:50,960
that it could be a it could be a folk singer,

1216
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:57,079
even if it just has that that element of confrontational edge.

1217
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,039
So that's that'll always appeal to me because because I

1218
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,519
mean at that point, I mean, I'm a real lyrics guy. Yeah,

1219
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:06,840
and I mean sure, you know, I will I love

1220
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,920
you know. I mean, I mean think about ac DC's

1221
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:12,880
you know songs. Those lyrics are really sharp and well

1222
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,159
thought out, and not anybody can write them. They put

1223
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:19,880
themselves into the mind of a teenage kid and get

1224
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,519
these great lyrics and that's a real talent. But you know,

1225
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,159
music that favors lyrics because lyrics tell you about somebody.

1226
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,920
I always thought like growing up, like wow, that's my

1227
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,880
you know, when if I found a band I liked,

1228
01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:36,519
that's my band, it's kind of like that's my club,

1229
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:39,480
that's my gang. That's a secret society that I want

1230
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:42,920
to belong to. So that will always be appealing.

1231
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just kind of curious because, you know,

1232
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,639
because the way you're talking about, you know, this is

1233
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,800
rock and roll, and then you know the way the

1234
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,280
rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a lot of

1235
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,280
people hate the fact that there's not actual rock artists

1236
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,199
going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

1237
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, they'll always be that sort of

1238
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,920
controverse going around. Let's see, just sitting here, you know,

1239
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,960
looking at where we're doing this podcast, just right off

1240
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:10,159
the strip. I couldn't help, you know, but just notice,

1241
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,599
you know, there's Bally's and his Horseshoe.

1242
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: Now.

1243
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,599
Speaker 1: I was David Lee Roth's publicist for ten years.

1244
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,079
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so oh oh boy.

1245
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:22,559
Speaker 1: So saw I've become his publicist on the album and

1246
01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:25,199
it was a great one, but it didn't didn't get

1247
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,559
really big a little late enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1248
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:28,159
great song.

1249
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one with Jason Becker. Correct.

1250
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so I was with David Lee Roth for

1251
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:38,559
ten years. And in that time he plays Las Vegas

1252
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:42,840
and he does a residency at Bally's and I'm here

1253
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:47,440
for it, and it doesn't go over well. I think

1254
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,480
if he would have performed a David Lee Roth show,

1255
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,480
it would have gone over well. But I think he

1256
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:55,800
was trying to make it a Vegas show, okay, and

1257
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,000
it seemed a little corny in some of the aspects

1258
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:01,440
of it. Although he was trying to appeal to a

1259
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:04,800
mass audience, but he was still cursing a lot on

1260
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:10,880
stage and in Vegas in nineteen ninety five or six seven,

1261
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,760
whenever that residency was, it was still too much and

1262
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,440
it was so it's not it wasn't successful, But I

1263
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,039
remember being here for that, and then I was handling

1264
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:22,639
TLC and I remember I came to see them. They

1265
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:27,360
were headlining the Grand Garden Arena and wow, and it's

1266
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,159
like all of a sudden, Vegas starts coming into my midst.

1267
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:32,559
Although the first time I was here was when Melissa

1268
01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:38,920
Manchester headlined the Riviera. It was nineteen I think eighty three, Yeah,

1269
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:43,840
nineteen eighty two or eighty three, and you know, and then,

1270
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:46,280
of course, you know, I leave Los Angeles with my

1271
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,760
wife five years ago and we move here for a

1272
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:54,800
couple of reasons. Financial incentive for sure, like many others,

1273
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,440
and also it just it felt great to open up

1274
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,280
a new chapter in my life. I grew up in

1275
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,559
New York City, came to you know, came to Los

1276
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:05,440
Angeles and came here. In fact, there's a little you

1277
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,760
could actually form a club. Bruce Culick, Steve Stevens. Yeah,

1278
01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:13,480
it's new York Los Angeles and I uh into Vegas

1279
01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:14,880
and I joked with them, I said, we could do

1280
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,479
actually a club of just those people who get it.

1281
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 3: You could.

1282
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: And I love Las Vegas. Lass has so much New

1283
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,800
York to it more than Los Angeles ever did.

1284
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:25,199
Speaker 3: Really.

1285
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean, for example, I just wrote about it because

1286
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,680
I have a column called, uh, you know, Las Vegas

1287
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,279
Mixtape at Vegas four one one Namoa is a one

1288
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:38,079
hundred and two year old Chinese dim sum restaurant from Chinatown,

1289
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:42,399
New York. It they just opened a spin off of

1290
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,359
it at Rampart Casino, and that's the only one on

1291
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,159
the West Coast. So it's New York, Philadelphia and here.

1292
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,720
And obviously New York is very Italian, and I grew

1293
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,399
up in an Italian I'm not Italian, but I grew

1294
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,399
up in an Italian neighborhood. And here there are more

1295
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:05,199
Italian restaurants, where in Los Angeles there's more Mexican rest.

1296
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 3: Right, and there's no there's there's no Little Italy in

1297
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:09,720
Los Angeles.

1298
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,239
Speaker 1: No, and here it's it's not like there's even though

1299
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:17,479
there's not an official Little Italy. I sometimes joke that's Summerlin.

1300
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,239
There are so many Italian restaurants within three square miles

1301
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,479
of Summerland. It's like wow, you know, and they just

1302
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,000
open another one. I pause at the Ramport Casino and

1303
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:33,039
there's Choo Vino, There's a Romi, there's Las Strega. I

1304
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:36,399
could go on and on, but you know, and the

1305
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,520
other great part of Las Vegas is the vintage part,

1306
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:43,399
like the Italian American Club for great food. It's fifty

1307
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,640
plus years old. It's where the rat pack used to go.

1308
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,720
Where is that? Oh you have to busy?

1309
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:50,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know, I'm excited. Now.

1310
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: Okay, it's on East Sahara. It's in that area that's

1311
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,520
called Paradise Palms. Okay, so it's not too far from here.

1312
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,159
It is wonderful. It is this big standalone building. You

1313
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:03,640
pull up, there's a giant parking lot. There's fake Roman

1314
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,039
statues out front. Love it already, right, you will fall

1315
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,079
in love it. And the food's great. They also do

1316
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:14,479
shows there where they have tribute performers. They do Christmas shows.

1317
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:20,039
It's wonderful. That really. So somebody, when I first got here,

1318
01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:22,279
Sai admits, you love all things vintage, you should go there,

1319
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:27,199
and I went. So that was just great. So pizza

1320
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,039
I think is becoming the main food of Las Vegas.

1321
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:31,319
Speaker 3: It's all over the place.

1322
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, having come here five years ago,

1323
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:38,560
I could really see it just keep galvanizing.

1324
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,199
Speaker 3: So being a New York guy, where's your go to

1325
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,760
for pizza? For like, at least New York style pizza?

1326
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:52,239
Speaker 1: Everything from Dom de Marco's to Yukon Pizza, which is amazing.

1327
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,399
It's on East Charleston Boulevard, about a mile east of

1328
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,840
the Arts District, across the street from the Huntridge Theater

1329
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:02,159
which is being revitalized. That is just fantastic. You know,

1330
01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:05,000
it's actually very good too. Miami Slice in the food

1331
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:08,840
court of the Fountain Blue really yeah, and you know

1332
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,079
they do you know, the pepperoni and then you can

1333
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:13,840
put the hot honey on it. So that offers some

1334
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:14,479
good kicks.

1335
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,359
Speaker 3: What about that place in New York, New York, not

1336
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,159
on the top, but down on the bottom, in the

1337
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:22,399
little where where it's supposed to look like it's yeah,

1338
01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:24,119
New York. It's like it starts with an S. And

1339
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:27,119
I love it because you show your ID. Yeah, you

1340
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:29,800
get a beer and a slice and it's like ten bucks. Yeah,

1341
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,560
you know which is a great deal. And that's honestly

1342
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,960
to me, that's my favorite pizza around here.

1343
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,119
Speaker 1: I should say I should try that because I mean,

1344
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,840
who doesn't love pizza? I mean, and now the options

1345
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,159
are so wonderful. Speaking of Italian, you know, I love

1346
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,560
the place Palm at the Aria food Court. Okay, the

1347
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,720
spin off of Carbone. But because it's in the food court,

1348
01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:58,199
it's price friendly. So you can get a chicken palm

1349
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,000
sandwich for like nineteen dollars. Is that is just mind

1350
01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:04,760
blowing there. So there is just I feel very connected

1351
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,760
to my New York roots being here. I mean, here's

1352
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,439
another example. So two miles from my house, Na Mua,

1353
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,760
that Chinese restaurant just opens a spin off. One mile

1354
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,600
from my house is Rocos New York Pizzeria yep. And

1355
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,960
the other way half a mile is New York Chinese

1356
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:23,880
Food on Lake Mead Boulevard. And I start to look

1357
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,880
around and I go wow. And I was just saying

1358
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,039
to my wife, I said, in Los Angeles, there's not

1359
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:34,039
that fascination with New York City. Here it's very pronounced.

1360
01:12:34,119 --> 01:12:34,399
Speaker 3: Okay.

1361
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: It makes me feel really at home. Plus there's enough

1362
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:42,439
Los Angeles feeling in Las Vegas and also to you know,

1363
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,560
with the mountains especially, you know, nature wise, Yeah, for sure.

1364
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,079
I mean I always telling people, go, what's life like

1365
01:12:48,359 --> 01:12:50,439
living in Vegas? I go, it's a great blend of

1366
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,640
nature and neon And that's a great that's a great explanation.

1367
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,159
Thank you. And because it's just it's something fast that

1368
01:12:57,239 --> 01:12:59,119
I could tell people, and I didn't want to, you know,

1369
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:02,479
give them know my whole life story. It's like, that's

1370
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,199
what this place is great for. You know, my Pacific

1371
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:10,039
Ocean is Red Rock Canyon, and I could just really

1372
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:14,560
observe the you know, the majesty of beauty. So I

1373
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,000
just I love those aspects of this town and I

1374
01:13:17,119 --> 01:13:20,760
love I love our Chinatown Chinatown Vegas. People don't realize

1375
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:23,560
it's three square miles. There's two hundred and fifty plus

1376
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,319
restaurant and I'm just saying Asian and other cuisines, and

1377
01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:30,319
it's amazing, you just because the way it's built. It's

1378
01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:32,600
all big shopping plazas. You just roll up in your

1379
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,560
car and you get out. When I was living in

1380
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,159
La I think it went broke paying for valet parking.

1381
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:40,359
Speaker 3: You have the valet at freaking strip malls.

1382
01:13:40,399 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: It's insanity here. It's just user friendly like that, you know,

1383
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,720
in terms of offstrip stuff. So that's been really so

1384
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,039
that's really wonderful here. And I tell people are going

1385
01:13:52,359 --> 01:13:56,079
Chinatown in Las Vegas. But the problem of Las Vegas

1386
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:59,079
image wise have most people come here for five to

1387
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:02,800
six days yep. One day is travel yep. The other

1388
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,000
day is travel back. And it's so easy to get

1389
01:14:06,119 --> 01:14:08,199
embedded into the strip, which is one of the things

1390
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:11,000
that's so beautiful about it is that you could you

1391
01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:12,800
could drink and you don't have to drive or whatever.

1392
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,479
You can really like let go. But people don't realize

1393
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,760
like some people do, but not everybody that how vital.

1394
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:25,319
Aside from Chinatown, the Arts District is just remarkable in

1395
01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:27,279
the five years, and I'm here just to see it

1396
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,279
growing on the other side as well. Because the Arts

1397
01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:34,479
district there's Charleston Boulevard and a lot of people obviously

1398
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:39,039
know South Main Street where Esther's Kitchen is yep. But

1399
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:43,760
on the north side of it there's the Pepper Club,

1400
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,359
the Doberman Drawing Room, like these amazing bars, and then

1401
01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:51,680
you have Downtown Vegas. Brandon Powers like he comes up

1402
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:56,279
with these imaginative places Pachi Pachi corner of sixth and Carson.

1403
01:14:57,279 --> 01:14:59,560
It's kind of e DM club vibes, but it's a

1404
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:05,399
rest on social club hang really surreal decor and ambiance.

1405
01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:08,880
So this is really bold of me to say. But

1406
01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:13,159
if you take into consideration the Circus Sole shows, Awakening

1407
01:15:13,239 --> 01:15:16,359
at the Wind, which are these incredible shows, I think

1408
01:15:16,399 --> 01:15:20,319
that blend art and technology, add up the artist residencies,

1409
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,840
add up the ethnic culture that is available here in

1410
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,439
Las Vegas. There's even e Lebanese you know, food festival.

1411
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,439
I'm seeing all the stuff. So I believe that Las

1412
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,479
Vegas right now is Paris in the twenties, oh wow,

1413
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,600
or New York or la in the sixties and seven. Yeah,

1414
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,159
I really believe that. And you know, and then I mean,

1415
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:49,000
obviously you look at this sphere again, this blend of

1416
01:15:49,239 --> 01:15:53,479
art and technology. You know, there's some people some people

1417
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,199
who will just say, oh, that's just glitzy, but you

1418
01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:57,960
have to really dig below and go wow. I mean

1419
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,720
I went to see Awakening at the Wind and I

1420
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,479
was you know, the cast, the sixty people in the cast,

1421
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:07,640
you know, the stage, it's it's in the round. The

1422
01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:09,640
theater was built for the show.

1423
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,359
Speaker 3: Okay, so it wasn't the theater that davidly Roth played

1424
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,399
just right. Oh no, that's not the way. That's Fountain Blue. Yeah.

1425
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,520
Speaker 1: Well well, yeah, that's right. David the Roth recently played Fun.

1426
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1427
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: Did you go to that show?

1428
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:20,119
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1429
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:23,520
Speaker 1: And how was he? It was Dave? Wow, Yeah, it

1430
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:24,000
was Dave.

1431
01:16:24,079 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 3: And this is what I always say, is, like, what,

1432
01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:30,239
he's never been a great singer, right, He's an entertainer,

1433
01:16:31,039 --> 01:16:34,039
and that's what it was. Did he have his moments,

1434
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,199
He had a couple of them, but for the most part,

1435
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,680
it's what you would expect from Dave and he just

1436
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,079
enjoy the show and the stories. And I walked out

1437
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:45,800
of there thinking to myself. You talked about how he

1438
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,840
was trying to do like a Vegas show. If he

1439
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:53,399
actually did a Vegas old school Vegas lounge act, it

1440
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,560
would be the greatest thing ever because he has that personality.

1441
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. The ten years I work with him,

1442
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:03,079
he was amazing. He was specful. I just have great

1443
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:06,680
feelings about working with him and his sense of humor.

1444
01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:08,760
One of the great things I remember I read about

1445
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,560
Van Halen was that they were this perfect blend of

1446
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,600
sand and vasoleene and it was like, wow, So Eddie's

1447
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,520
the vasoline and David Lee Roth is the sand Yeah,

1448
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,159
and that's what makes them great. So to your point, like, yeah,

1449
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:25,439
so David Lee Roth, he's going to miss some notes

1450
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,800
or he's going to throw the microphone to the audience

1451
01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:30,359
sing that chorus for me, or whatever it's going to be.

1452
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,159
That's just the way it's rock and roll. Yeah, exactly.

1453
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,239
You know, people are getting older, but it's better than

1454
01:17:36,279 --> 01:17:37,119
seeing a hologram.

1455
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, let me ask it. So one of the

1456
01:17:40,359 --> 01:17:42,279
reasons I did want to get you in here is

1457
01:17:42,319 --> 01:17:45,640
because you are currently working the Ozzy Osbourne book. Yes,

1458
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,479
what can you tell us about that? What's it like

1459
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,960
working a book for somebody who's no longer here? Very interesting?

1460
01:17:53,119 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: So, by the way, and I think it's being announced tomorrow,

1461
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,680
the book enters number one New York Times Wow seller

1462
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,680
not fictions. Yes, so that's really exciting. And they just

1463
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,159
sent me the chart and it's like Ozzy Osbourne the

1464
01:18:07,239 --> 01:18:10,239
next one Kamala Harris, and I was like, wow, you

1465
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:13,960
know this is great. So yeah, it's really totally heartbreaking

1466
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,399
that he's not here to see that his second memoir

1467
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,600
is number one, but the family, uh, you know, who's

1468
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,399
kept us going through by hiring us for this book.

1469
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,439
I mean Jack Osborne did an interview with Good Morning

1470
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:32,600
America and it was a very moving one because Jack's

1471
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,319
feelings obviously are still it's he's raw. Yeah, but he

1472
01:18:35,399 --> 01:18:37,800
did an interview and there were tears in the interview.

1473
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,359
So in that case, no, you don't have the the

1474
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:47,840
person who wrote it around. But obviously his his kids

1475
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,479
have been just incredible and Sharon's not done interviews for it.

1476
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,560
That's too soon in this process. But I think, but

1477
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,239
I think, you know, Jack has really upheld the importance

1478
01:18:59,279 --> 01:19:03,000
of Ozzy. So that's been you know, it's called Last Rites.

1479
01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:05,840
When they sent it to me, I read it in

1480
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,439
two sittings over one weekend, and I almost didn't want

1481
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,079
to read it too fast. It's a page turner because

1482
01:19:12,119 --> 01:19:16,560
you know the ending, yes, and but he he the

1483
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,800
For me, the takeaway from Ozzie's book, it's a story

1484
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:24,239
of courage. The last six seven years of his life

1485
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:29,800
was living in pain because of the you know, the

1486
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,800
bad neck and you know the reviinal, the neck of

1487
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,640
bad bad surgery. His fall is a million things and

1488
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,840
obviously the onset you know parkings, Yeah, a lot of

1489
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,720
things that are happening for him, and in one in

1490
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,119
the BBC documentary, you see him sitting outside in Los

1491
01:19:47,119 --> 01:19:51,840
Angeles in his backyard and he just gives a very

1492
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,720
uncomfortable look and Sharon says, is that your neck? And

1493
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,680
he goes yeah, And so that's so you really could

1494
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,399
see that he had to contend with all of this.

1495
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,319
Last time I saw Ozzy, my partner Marcy, who lives

1496
01:20:07,359 --> 01:20:11,840
in Los Angeles, who's led the campaign more than me

1497
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:14,880
in recent years because I moved here, but I did

1498
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,359
go back for Sharon's big birthday party. I guess it

1499
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:23,039
was her seventieth and Ozzie was there. Jonathan Davis was there,

1500
01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:26,840
a lot of other folks. I remember just sitting with Ozzie,

1501
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,880
but he really couldn't get up because because he didn't

1502
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,319
really want to. He's very self conscious.

1503
01:20:32,359 --> 01:20:34,039
Speaker 3: He's a rock starter, right, Yeah, that's sure.

1504
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:37,119
Speaker 1: Here he is, you know, walking with the cane and.

1505
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 3: I can't let people see me like this, you know.

1506
01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that was hard, but you know,

1507
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,479
his sense of humor was great. May I tell a

1508
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:49,279
great Ozzie story?

1509
01:20:49,359 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 3: Heyes, please, that's what I got you here?

1510
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,159
Speaker 1: All right? This is great so it's nineteen eighty seven.

1511
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,520
I sign him, and it's it's either the first trip

1512
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,680
to New York or the second trip. But when I

1513
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,560
told you about when I went to the Mark Weis

1514
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,199
store of studio, that was I think the second trip

1515
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,479
the first one. So I had just signed him and

1516
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,399
it was like, we're off to New York and doing interviews.

1517
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,600
We have to cover for Ozzy. So Sharon didn't come

1518
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,920
on the trip, but Pat Ceciliano also Rest in Peace,

1519
01:21:19,119 --> 01:21:23,640
was the handler, and so we went and I was

1520
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:26,760
sitting in first class with them and the first and

1521
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:29,960
this is where it starts getting crazy. I see Ozzy

1522
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:35,439
drinking to the point of literal insanity, and and I'm

1523
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,720
you know, and and somehow it gets told to me

1524
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,039
maybe Ozzy he's afraid of flying, So okay, hey, we drink.

1525
01:21:43,079 --> 01:21:45,119
So we get off the plane and there's obviously a

1526
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,359
car waiting for us at JFK, and I swear I'm

1527
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,720
not making this up. We get into the car on

1528
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,600
the TV and the limo is the film The Man

1529
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,960
who Saved Hitler's Brain, And here we I'm sitting with

1530
01:21:57,079 --> 01:22:01,840
Ozzy Osbourne and a dark, big other fashionable of course,

1531
01:22:02,079 --> 01:22:04,439
of course, and he just looked at me goes, you know,

1532
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,239
they're gonna kill me on stage one day, and he's

1533
01:22:07,279 --> 01:22:11,079
completely drunk, and I was just mind blown. But I'm

1534
01:22:11,119 --> 01:22:13,600
gonna have to back up a little bit. People, Okay,

1535
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,199
this is where the story gets. It's great. So we're

1536
01:22:17,239 --> 01:22:19,600
at Lax about to fly to New York City and

1537
01:22:20,119 --> 01:22:22,319
uh so I feel like, I, you know, I have

1538
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,279
to get to know Ausie. I only met him once

1539
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:26,319
before and now we're on a trip together. Yeah, and

1540
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:28,600
you know, it wasn't too far from the years with

1541
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,079
the bat biting and when he bit the head off.

1542
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 3: Of the dove.

1543
01:22:32,399 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: And so I just say to him, you know, like

1544
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,800
now that I'm dealing with the press, you know, when

1545
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,199
people ask me about it, is there anything that you

1546
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:44,359
would like me to perhaps just say. He changes the

1547
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,079
topic immediately and he starts talking about Liviy in California

1548
01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:51,439
has been really great for me. It's healthy. It's all

1549
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:57,640
about you know, staying fit, and I have colonics. And

1550
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,680
I was like saying to myself, Wow, this is getting

1551
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,960
a little deeper here, and he said to you know,

1552
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:04,960
and you know, and remember I was asking him about like,

1553
01:23:05,039 --> 01:23:06,399
you know, you've put the head off of the AAP

1554
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,920
and he says, well, you know, I go to have

1555
01:23:09,039 --> 01:23:11,640
colonics and he goes, the last colonic I had was

1556
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,960
so good that the beak came out.

1557
01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 3: Well that that is definitely worth a Pat Fontaine laugh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1558
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,399
I love that you have that. That has been a

1559
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,760
drop on this show for at least twelve years.

1560
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 1: Wow. So and I just remember howling with laughing.

1561
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:34,319
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1562
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:38,119
Speaker 1: He was just putting me on so he could deliver

1563
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:41,119
the punchline. So that is like definitely like a big

1564
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,439
Ozzy story for me. And then it was such a

1565
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,039
joy to do publicity for him because you know, the

1566
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:52,239
evangelists were really against oh yeah, and they would really

1567
01:23:52,319 --> 01:23:54,560
you know, they'd show up to protest his concerts. They

1568
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,399
would do anything to discredit him. And I remember h

1569
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,920
sitting with Ozzy and he was saying something about they're

1570
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,479
all hypocrites or whatever. And I remember I got back

1571
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,319
from a trip and it was announced on the news

1572
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:12,680
that Oral Roberts, the televangelist, was raising trying to raise

1573
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,760
eight million dollars for some kind of study program. And

1574
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,800
he said to his followers, if I don't collect the

1575
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,079
eight million dollars, I'm going to die. I mean like

1576
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:26,079
something like so insanely crazy. He actually collect makes eight

1577
01:24:26,119 --> 01:24:30,319
million dollars from his followers. And so after he gets it,

1578
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:33,479
I talked to Sharon. I said, you know, we could

1579
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,439
do something here, and the idea was batted around. So

1580
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,600
Ozzie put out a statement and said I'm happy to

1581
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,239
Oral Roberts, and it was done in a telegram. I'm

1582
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,640
very happy that you didn't have to die for your cause.

1583
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:49,399
But now that you've come out of your prayer tower,

1584
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,960
which he had described Oral Roberts that he was in,

1585
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:57,439
here's one dollar for your psychiatric treatment fund. We got

1586
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,199
so much news on that. And I always told people

1587
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:03,079
the best kind of publicity is when your artist does

1588
01:25:03,159 --> 01:25:05,439
not do interviews where they just talk about you.

1589
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1590
01:25:06,039 --> 01:25:08,399
Speaker 1: Can I take you into a Ted Newton story. Okay,

1591
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:12,039
So it's nineteen eighty six and I'm looking at USA

1592
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:15,319
Today in the money section, and it said that Westinghouse

1593
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:19,680
was putting Muzak up for sale. And I thought, oh,

1594
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:21,960
that's interesting, and I kind of like put on like

1595
01:25:22,039 --> 01:25:25,439
my old punk rock hat. And I called Doug Banker up,

1596
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,840
Ted's manager, and I said, what if we make a

1597
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,039
bogus offer to buy it and say, the reason we

1598
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:34,039
want to buy it is that we want to destroy

1599
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:37,000
it because Muzak has ruined the best minds of a generation,

1600
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:39,359
you know with those.

1601
01:25:39,319 --> 01:25:43,359
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so what that? That just sounds like Ted?

1602
01:25:44,279 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: So here's this is where it goes. So I'm you

1603
01:25:48,039 --> 01:25:50,560
have to remember I'm a young gun. Yeah, I probably

1604
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:55,720
you know. I call up and a woman, presumably an assistant,

1605
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,600
answers the phone and I said, hi, you know, I'm

1606
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,319
so and so I handle publicity for the rock star

1607
01:26:01,399 --> 01:26:04,319
Ted NuGen He read with interest about how music's going

1608
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,159
up for music's going up for sale. Now in the story,

1609
01:26:07,239 --> 01:26:09,319
it said they were going to ask something like twenty million.

1610
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,960
I forget the exact figure, so I so, I deliberately

1611
01:26:13,039 --> 01:26:16,199
come with an under figure, and I said, you know,

1612
01:26:16,319 --> 01:26:19,000
Ted would like to offer eight million dollars and she

1613
01:26:19,159 --> 01:26:22,279
says to me, which was golden. She goes, well, that's

1614
01:26:22,399 --> 01:26:26,159
not even in the realm of what's being discussed. And

1615
01:26:26,319 --> 01:26:30,279
I said, oh, so then you wouldn't entertain that, and

1616
01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:33,680
she said no. So I put a press release out.

1617
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:39,479
Music declines Ted Nugent's offer to buy so brilliant, you know.

1618
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,000
I look back and it was just so insane. So

1619
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,239
it gets into the news and then Brian Gumbel on

1620
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:48,279
the Today Show at the time is talking about it

1621
01:26:48,359 --> 01:26:51,199
and Ted's not even being interviewed, and it was like

1622
01:26:51,319 --> 01:26:53,640
this publicity and it really you know, at this in

1623
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,359
nineteen eighty six Ted sales, you know, it was like

1624
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:57,760
the Little Miss Dangerous album.

1625
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 3: It was not it wasn't it wasn't.

1626
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't even Weekend Warriors. Ye to take it

1627
01:27:04,079 --> 01:27:07,600
back there. So I really raised his profile. I would

1628
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:12,439
do crazy stuff with Nugent. I adored him, so I

1629
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,119
knew obviously he was a hunter, and you know, he

1630
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,600
knew you know, he knows that I'm liberal, and but

1631
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,640
I said, you know, I now understand why people hunt. Also,

1632
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,680
you don't want the deer to inbread and then go

1633
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,880
into the road and then people have car accidents and die.

1634
01:27:27,319 --> 01:27:29,239
He would explain all this to me, and it's like, Okay,

1635
01:27:29,319 --> 01:27:31,680
I'm starting to understand it. Although I never agreed with

1636
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,279
him when he said let's whack let's whack him or

1637
01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:37,439
who killed Bambi or whatever, I couldn't buy that. But anyway,

1638
01:27:38,199 --> 01:27:40,760
I knew where he was coming from. So I said, okay,

1639
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,640
So I said Ted, why don't we put out something

1640
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,000
saying that you're going to open a restaurant in Beverly

1641
01:27:47,079 --> 01:27:51,159
Hills and you're creating a prospectus for investors. The restaurant's

1642
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:53,760
going to be called red Meat, and it's going to

1643
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,119
be a slap in the face to vegetarians everywhere. That

1644
01:27:57,359 --> 01:27:59,600
was the line that I came up with, So I

1645
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,640
get it into USA today, Ted Nugent, you know, as

1646
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,359
a perspective going around if you're looking for investors for

1647
01:28:07,039 --> 01:28:10,119
a restaurant called red meat, and you know this time

1648
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:11,960
where Ted's not a big star, So it was my

1649
01:28:12,079 --> 01:28:15,159
idea to keep them in the news in telling you

1650
01:28:15,279 --> 01:28:18,640
that story. That story could not happen today. Somebody would say,

1651
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:23,239
can you email me the prospectus? It would take sure

1652
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,479
you could create it for publicity. But back then nobody

1653
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,319
really checked. I mean, here's another crazy story I did

1654
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:34,039
for Ted. He put his record out a little Miss Dangerous.

1655
01:28:34,039 --> 01:28:35,399
So I said to Ted, can you give me a

1656
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,960
list of the ten most dangerous women in America? Because

1657
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,720
people love lists, It's like the it's like pr one

1658
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,640
on one. So I helped him create the list and

1659
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,920
we have fun stuff on there, and I gave it

1660
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:52,159
to USA Today and saying Ted NuGen has created this

1661
01:28:52,399 --> 01:28:55,560
list of the ten most dangerous women in America. It

1662
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:59,399
gets into what was then the Lifeline section, and radio

1663
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,560
jocks would read right off that was like the Internet,

1664
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,399
like that Sharlem that People magazine, Rolling Stones, random notes whatever.

1665
01:29:07,079 --> 01:29:09,079
I got that, so I would keep getting him in

1666
01:29:09,119 --> 01:29:11,960
the news. And so the last time I saw Ted

1667
01:29:12,039 --> 01:29:15,399
NuGen he played the Canyon Club in Agora Hills. Maybe

1668
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,479
this was like ten years ago, and I remember I

1669
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,560
said to him, you know, can I tell you what

1670
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,760
it was like being your publicist in those particular days

1671
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,920
when you were being hated by a lot of people,

1672
01:29:29,399 --> 01:29:31,479
but the fact that you were a hunter and a

1673
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:34,880
lot of the liberal media just did not resonate with that,

1674
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:37,399
to be kind, And I said, I used to tell

1675
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,720
people this story, and he was all ears. I said,

1676
01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:43,680
I would tell some journalists who would attack him. Imagine

1677
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,359
you're riding on the Long Island Railroad and there's a

1678
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:50,039
serial killer who just walked into a train car. Would

1679
01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:52,720
you rather be sitting next to Ted Nugent or Michael

1680
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:57,720
Stipe that? Yeah, because Ted Pack's a gun. Yeah, absolutely,

1681
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:00,920
And people will go Mitch I get it. And so

1682
01:30:01,079 --> 01:30:03,479
when I told the story to Ted, he said, well,

1683
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,960
then you get the Davy Crockett Award. It was great, great.

1684
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:11,600
So I like these amazing times that I've had with people.

1685
01:30:12,079 --> 01:30:18,319
I love colorful personalities because they have a great sense

1686
01:30:18,359 --> 01:30:20,800
of humor and they understand how that could be used

1687
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,520
to advance their career through aaps on publicity.

1688
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely, before we wrap up, because we could go on

1689
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,359
for hours, we haven't even gotten into Bowie.

1690
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,039
Speaker 1: Can I tell you one great Bowie?

1691
01:30:33,159 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 3: Please?

1692
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 2: Please do?

1693
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:34,239
Speaker 3: Okay.

1694
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: So it's nineteen ninety five and he's about to put

1695
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,119
his record out called Outside, which was a collaboration, not

1696
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:46,479
a collaboration, but I was eno produced it. And so

1697
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,359
the tour is Bowie and Nine Inch Nails. So I'm

1698
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,319
flown to Hartford, Connecticut, which is going to be the

1699
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,840
first show of the tour Bowie's. It was kind of

1700
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,640
a co headline, but Bowie obviously the show. So I

1701
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,399
remember being there the day before and I was invited

1702
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,479
to be at a dress rehearsal. So I'm sitting in

1703
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,680
the back of the auditorium or the shed Amphitheater wherever

1704
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:13,560
it was. Yeah, and I'm taking notes because I knew

1705
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,279
that I'd have to write a press release about it,

1706
01:31:15,319 --> 01:31:17,119
and I knew on the night of I wouldn't have

1707
01:31:17,239 --> 01:31:19,319
time to really write my notes because I'd be running

1708
01:31:19,319 --> 01:31:23,720
around with photographers, TV crews, et cetera. So after the

1709
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,000
dress rehearsal is over, I just sit and hang out

1710
01:31:26,039 --> 01:31:32,560
there and his very famous PA personal assistant, Coco Schwab,

1711
01:31:33,079 --> 01:31:35,159
comes over, and I'm only working with David for a

1712
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:37,319
couple of years at this point, and she says, he

1713
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,640
saw you taking notes. He would like you to come

1714
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,640
back and tell you and you can tell them what

1715
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,000
you thought of the show, but you know you need

1716
01:31:45,079 --> 01:31:47,479
to be honest. I said, of course, But they knew

1717
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:48,199
I was a rock critic.

1718
01:31:48,399 --> 01:31:49,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1719
01:31:49,359 --> 01:31:52,119
Speaker 1: So I went back and I praised parts of the

1720
01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:54,199
show that I really dug, and I said, I have

1721
01:31:54,279 --> 01:31:57,279
to tell you that I thought the momentum was wrecked

1722
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:02,039
when you played a song You're cover version of Scott

1723
01:32:02,119 --> 01:32:06,159
Walker's song called night Flights, which was on his not

1724
01:32:06,359 --> 01:32:08,840
popular album a couple of years prior, called Black Tie

1725
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:13,239
White Noise, And I said, I because I'm unfamiliar with it,

1726
01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:16,560
mostly as most people will be, I thought it just

1727
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,039
wrecked the momentum, and I remember just saying it because

1728
01:32:20,039 --> 01:32:22,319
I knew I had I couldn't be a yes man

1729
01:32:22,399 --> 01:32:25,479
to him. And he looked at me and he said,

1730
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,920
I know that, but my job as an artist is

1731
01:32:29,079 --> 01:32:31,960
to give the audience what they may not know that

1732
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:38,600
they want. And I went, WHOA, that's deep.

1733
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 3: But it's also inspiring at the same time.

1734
01:32:42,039 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 1: Yes, And it was just really remarkable to me because

1735
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,159
I think if you think about that line, you think

1736
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:51,560
about you know, Bowie changing from glam rock into that

1737
01:32:52,359 --> 01:32:56,560
sort of funk rock of you know, young Americans, and

1738
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:00,520
then that sort of like German inspired funk rock of

1739
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,560
the station to station record before he goes full blown

1740
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,760
electronic with Eno, like he is gambling his career with

1741
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:12,239
every possible move, but it's done in the name of art.

1742
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,920
And again, you know, as an artist, I feel it's

1743
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,479
my job to give the audience what they may not

1744
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:20,760
know they want. And I just remember that has always

1745
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,680
stuck with me about that is that's a true artist

1746
01:33:25,279 --> 01:33:28,159
who can also afford to take those gamblers right.

1747
01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 3: Well, you know one thing they did need was that

1748
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,600
Vick Jagger video for Dancing Well.

1749
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:40,279
Speaker 1: David hates that era in fact, so David, and many

1750
01:33:40,319 --> 01:33:43,039
of his interviews talks about how it did make a

1751
01:33:43,159 --> 01:33:45,600
a star. He finally was able to play stadiums with

1752
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,199
Let's Dance and all that, but he said he absolutely

1753
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:50,640
hated it. He hated it so much he created a

1754
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,720
group called Tin Machine with taking a back with hunting

1755
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,239
Tony sales. So I get hired for Bowie for the

1756
01:33:57,359 --> 01:34:03,239
Tin Machine second album. Okay, okay, and that was incredible,

1757
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:05,880
But the press was not really lining up for that

1758
01:34:06,039 --> 01:34:09,319
Tin Machine project. They wanted Bowie. They didn't want a

1759
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,239
band that was playing noise rock because Bowie would tell

1760
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:14,920
people I think the Pixies are the greatest group, and

1761
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,640
I think he was even Yeah, him and Kirk Cobain

1762
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,560
were talking up this group, just like saying how they

1763
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:24,079
change music. And so that's how I start working with Bowie.

1764
01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:27,239
And so basically he kind of throws his career away

1765
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:31,399
by forming Tin Machine. It keeps him artistically interesting. And

1766
01:34:32,079 --> 01:34:34,920
I think Pearl Jam covered Heaven up here from the

1767
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,720
first Ten Machine album, so it was not lost on everybody.

1768
01:34:38,159 --> 01:34:42,199
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, bow I never got Bowie either, but

1769
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:43,880
that sounds like something I might like.

1770
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should check it out. You know, it's a both,

1771
01:34:48,039 --> 01:34:50,359
I don't. I think the second album is not even

1772
01:34:50,399 --> 01:34:52,600
on Spotify because it was on a label that went

1773
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,880
belly up and it's probably caught up in some kind

1774
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,600
of rights, but it's probably on YouTube.

1775
01:34:57,800 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 2: Ye.

1776
01:34:58,199 --> 01:34:58,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1777
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:03,079
Speaker 1: And but the first ten Machine album there was also

1778
01:35:03,119 --> 01:35:06,239
a song called crack City. It's very like, very noisy,

1779
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,720
and if you're a fan of Bowie, you have to

1780
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:11,920
work to enjoy it. But I don't think it's like

1781
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,079
an immediate get yeah, I mean it has its charms.

1782
01:35:15,279 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1783
01:35:16,359 --> 01:35:18,399
Speaker 1: So he was somebody who was a true artist and

1784
01:35:18,399 --> 01:35:22,760
who would take outrageous, outrageous chances. I mean when he

1785
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:27,920
put his Young Americans album out and switches from glam

1786
01:35:28,039 --> 01:35:32,000
rock to seoul. He even pre ams negative criticism by

1787
01:35:32,079 --> 01:35:36,880
describing the music as plastic soul. Just think about that. Yeah,

1788
01:35:37,279 --> 01:35:38,600
oh god, I have to tell you one other story

1789
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:41,880
about the Sex Systems. Okay, So I get hired to

1790
01:35:42,039 --> 01:35:46,479
do their reunion tour, the first one and I did

1791
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,680
two others, not the current one that's out now without

1792
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,199
Johnny Rotten. So I'm flown to England to be at

1793
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:56,399
the press conference at the one hundred club Downstairs Club.

1794
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,840
It's like ten in the morning, the British press is

1795
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,960
all there ready to attack them for oh, it's reunion

1796
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,840
and you're just doing it for the money. So there's

1797
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,960
no press release that goes out about what the name

1798
01:36:09,039 --> 01:36:11,439
of the tour is or anything. It's just you're gonna

1799
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,079
learn about it at the press conference. So a comedian

1800
01:36:14,359 --> 01:36:18,039
starts gets on stage to kind of like get the

1801
01:36:18,119 --> 01:36:21,319
crowd going, and then the group comes on and Johnny

1802
01:36:21,399 --> 01:36:24,319
Rotten before he takes a seat while the others do,

1803
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,880
he has a beer in his hand and he says

1804
01:36:29,159 --> 01:36:31,600
he looks at the crowd and he goes, do you

1805
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,960
know why we're here? Because we found a common enemy

1806
01:36:36,079 --> 01:36:44,880
and the common enemy is you shit, And just it

1807
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,119
was so great, and then he goes out, and then

1808
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:51,239
it's revealed that the tour is called Filthy Lucre, which

1809
01:36:51,399 --> 01:36:56,640
is Filthy Money, so he preempts the criticism by saying yes,

1810
01:36:57,199 --> 01:36:59,399
and then he also says we found a common cause

1811
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:05,720
your money, which was so amazing. Yeah it is. It's

1812
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,199
like you're it's like basically, I'm going to control the

1813
01:37:08,319 --> 01:37:12,319
narrative and you will follow. And that was just incredible.

1814
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,720
And another great moment was I was they were getting

1815
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:17,479
inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and

1816
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:22,720
I was doing a photo shoot with John and he goes,

1817
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,840
you know, we're not going, and I said, well, I

1818
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,920
kind of had a hunt and I and I said, well,

1819
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,800
they in fact asked me if you would come up

1820
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,399
with the statement. So he starts, he starts to write

1821
01:37:33,399 --> 01:37:37,359
the statement. I was with my co publicist, Libby Coffee,

1822
01:37:38,279 --> 01:37:42,000
Uh yeah, and he writes. So we start to write

1823
01:37:42,039 --> 01:37:43,880
something together and he goes, I'll get back to you,

1824
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:48,439
and then we get a fax the night before and

1825
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,640
we're going to put it out and you can find

1826
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:54,520
it's a hand scrawled note that says, we are not

1827
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,479
coming to your you know, piss you know, you're just

1828
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:02,199
a pissed stain. And it's one of the great things.

1829
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:04,239
And you can you'll find the you know, go online

1830
01:38:04,399 --> 01:38:07,399
and type in sex pistols, rock and roll fame, you

1831
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:11,000
know letter. Yeah, and it's just incredible. And I remember

1832
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,520
being at the fax machine because that's how things were done.

1833
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:19,079
And then yeah, because it's ninety five and the internet

1834
01:38:19,239 --> 01:38:23,119
is not as big, so I just remember being at

1835
01:38:23,159 --> 01:38:26,760
the fax machine with an assistant and we start faxing it.

1836
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,439
It was like faxing something out, like World War three

1837
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,960
has started, and it was just really great to see

1838
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:36,600
and texted right and it was just amazing. And when

1839
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,239
you worked with John it would be crazy. And I

1840
01:38:40,319 --> 01:38:42,720
hit one stunt I came up with and this will

1841
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,600
be the last thing I think I'll say, but it

1842
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:48,079
was great. So at the time when the sex Pistols reformed,

1843
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:51,479
Princess di was a Princess Diana was sort of being

1844
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:54,279
ousted from the monarchy and there was talk about that

1845
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:56,960
she may not have the money to lead the kind

1846
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,479
of life that she's had gotten used to. So I

1847
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,479
said to the Pistols, I said, oh, we should do

1848
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,399
something and say that you're going to do a benefit

1849
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:07,800
concert for her, like I would do crazy stuff. Yeah,

1850
01:39:08,079 --> 01:39:12,880
So we put something out and saying that the sex Pistols,

1851
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:14,720
you know, feel even though they had the song, you know,

1852
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:18,319
God saved the Queen, it was perfect, and saying that

1853
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:21,479
they they want to do a benefit concept for Princess

1854
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:25,159
Die who's been unfairly you know, like ousted from the monarchy.

1855
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,800
And in the story, the person I gave it to

1856
01:39:29,279 --> 01:39:33,199
at USA Today or maybe Associated Press called Princess Die's

1857
01:39:33,239 --> 01:39:36,880
office and there and the comment back was no comment,

1858
01:39:37,239 --> 01:39:39,279
which is worth its weight in gold, because it wasn't

1859
01:39:39,399 --> 01:39:42,359
like there was nothing said, yeah, it was no comment.

1860
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,439
So I got that in the press everywhere and it

1861
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,960
was like, yes, you know, we're back to creating controversy

1862
01:39:49,239 --> 01:39:51,960
and that was great. You know, so that's rock and

1863
01:39:52,079 --> 01:39:52,800
roll spirit and.

1864
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:56,359
Speaker 3: That absolutely that's that's what I live for. That well,

1865
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:58,319
let me so let's leave on this because this is

1866
01:39:58,399 --> 01:40:02,000
one thing I did really want a touch on. How

1867
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:06,279
much has what you're doing right now and the Internet

1868
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:14,359
affected what you do because because it's like you know,

1869
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,520
and you know, social media, because now people are hitting

1870
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:20,359
up artists, you know through so instead of going the

1871
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:23,760
proper routes which you know, which which you have, Which

1872
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:27,279
is the way to do it out there? Podcasters, if

1873
01:40:27,319 --> 01:40:29,960
you're going to hit up somebody, hit up their publicist.

1874
01:40:30,039 --> 01:40:32,680
That's how you do it podcasting one O one. There

1875
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:32,880
you go.

1876
01:40:33,319 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: So I'll take you back to a story. I was

1877
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,319
the Backstreet Boys publicist, proving I can I can do

1878
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,680
pretty much any genre. Find so and those guys and

1879
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,159
I saw them at their residency here at the Sphere

1880
01:40:45,399 --> 01:40:48,399
and there they were it's like full vocals, there's no tapes,

1881
01:40:48,399 --> 01:40:52,479
there's five great you know, there's five voices that just

1882
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:58,000
you know, sore in harmony. So I remember I was

1883
01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:00,960
at my house and my partner, Marcy Rondon, was on

1884
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,720
the road with the Backstreet Boys, and she's on the

1885
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,680
way to the airport. And then the manager calls me

1886
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:08,840
and says, I think you should tell Marcy to go

1887
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:13,399
back to the hotel because here's what's happening. We're going

1888
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:17,800
to check AJ into rehab and put the tour on pause.

1889
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:20,199
You have to remember, this is like the biggest band

1890
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:23,279
in the world at the particular point. And they said,

1891
01:41:23,319 --> 01:41:26,159
we would like to know how you're planning to handle it.

1892
01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:30,920
It's a Sunday afternoon in the summer. I was at

1893
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,279
my pool and I remember I called Marcy up and

1894
01:41:34,319 --> 01:41:36,000
I said, you can't go back. I mean, you have

1895
01:41:36,079 --> 01:41:37,880
to go back to the hotel. You can't get on

1896
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,600
that plane back to Los Angeles. She was in Boston,

1897
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:44,720
and I said, you know, the tabloid, I remember saying

1898
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,159
to her, and we both agreed, the tabloids you're going

1899
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:48,680
to get the story, so let's get ahead of it.

1900
01:41:49,159 --> 01:41:50,880
So we called management up and said, we feel we

1901
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,079
should put a press release out and we should send

1902
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:55,520
the Guys Without AJ to New York City to go

1903
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,600
on TRL on MTV and The Today Show to talk

1904
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:01,600
about how they've been forced to ansel their tour. One

1905
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:05,119
of their comrades has fallen from being on the road

1906
01:42:05,279 --> 01:42:10,159
from drinking, and the tour is going on pause. So

1907
01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:13,600
we basically outsmarted the tabloids and we took control of

1908
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:17,720
the narrative because in this era right now, you need

1909
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:23,000
you need to really control the narrative before before the

1910
01:42:23,159 --> 01:42:27,159
media gets it. I mean, TMZ is perfect. Yeah, back

1911
01:42:27,239 --> 01:42:29,479
in the day, you know, you could say no comment.

1912
01:42:30,199 --> 01:42:32,800
Uh huh. That does not work anymore. You have to

1913
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:36,800
say something like our client is going through this, they

1914
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,479
respect their privacy. When there's more to report, you need

1915
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:44,000
to say something. You can't go the old no comment.

1916
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:47,800
So right now, I mean, I could you know, I

1917
01:42:48,119 --> 01:42:51,840
could wake up and you know, especially when you know

1918
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,039
Ozzie was alive. You know, I'm not telling any tales

1919
01:42:55,079 --> 01:42:58,199
out of school. You know, there was during the time

1920
01:42:58,279 --> 01:43:01,880
where you know, there was inde yeah, and this had

1921
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,119
to be addressed. So there were ways that we got

1922
01:43:04,199 --> 01:43:06,600
in front of the story. I forget exactly how on that.

1923
01:43:08,359 --> 01:43:12,680
But so now as a publicist, you have to be engaged. Look,

1924
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,000
it was always a twenty four to seven business, right,

1925
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:18,039
but but it became even more of a twenty four

1926
01:43:18,039 --> 01:43:21,239
to seven business. And so that's it.

1927
01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 3: So that's it.

1928
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,560
Speaker 1: You have to you have to be on top of it,

1929
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,319
and you have to outsmart TMZ and if something happens,

1930
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,399
it's like we got to put something out, so we

1931
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:32,119
take because whoever starts the story, it's always the first

1932
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:35,880
shot right right, and then everything else becomes follow up.

1933
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,560
So I think that's important. That's It's pretty much how

1934
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:39,439
my job changed.

1935
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Speaker 3: Love it, Mitch, dude, thank you so much. I'm going

1936
01:43:42,199 --> 01:43:44,960
to hit the ultru music here and we're going to

1937
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:52,680
say goodbye and boom Mitch Schneider, I really I really

1938
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,960
appreciate this man. Well, and like we just scratched a service.

1939
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 1: I know.

1940
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 3: There's oh, there's so much there is. People want to

1941
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:02,479
find you. Where can they find you? Where can they

1942
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:03,439
find your newsletters?

1943
01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Well, here's the deal. So I write a column for

1944
01:44:06,199 --> 01:44:09,960
the website called Vegas four one one. It's called Las Vegas.

1945
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,399
So the column is called Las Vegas Mixtape. So you

1946
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,199
just go to Vegas four one one. They usually have

1947
01:44:15,319 --> 01:44:18,319
my column on the front page and it runs once

1948
01:44:18,359 --> 01:44:22,640
every three weeks. I cover shows, restaurants, off beat events,

1949
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:26,479
fun retail stores. Like I just love pop culture, and

1950
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:28,520
I don't like if you said to me, we're gonna

1951
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:31,319
go to a music gig like five nights in a row,

1952
01:44:31,359 --> 01:44:33,840
and say no, let's go to a bur letsue show.

1953
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:36,640
Let's go to a groovy new restaurant in the arts district,

1954
01:44:37,279 --> 01:44:40,840
and let's really enjoy pop culture and not be limited

1955
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,079
to one, you know form. So that's what the column

1956
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:47,439
is about. It's about shining a light on the best

1957
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:49,560
of Las Vegas. People don't even know that we have

1958
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:51,079
two China towns here.

1959
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah it's true.

1960
01:44:52,199 --> 01:44:55,560
Speaker 1: The second Chinatown you know, opened in not opened, but

1961
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:58,239
the area begin developed in twenty twenty, the year I

1962
01:44:58,319 --> 01:45:01,920
got here. It's on put the South Rainbow Boulevards South

1963
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:05,800
the two fifteen. It's a whole new level of Asian restaurants.

1964
01:45:06,319 --> 01:45:08,760
So I love going around sometimes telling people, oh, I

1965
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,239
went to the you know, the second Chinatown last night,

1966
01:45:11,239 --> 01:45:13,359
and they look at me like, what the hell do

1967
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:15,880
you mean? And I said, Hey, this is your city

1968
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,520
and you really need to dig in. So my column

1969
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:21,800
is just really about digging in, finding out what's groovy,

1970
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:26,399
what's new, and what's old. I love vintage stuff, you know,

1971
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:29,880
there's like even there's just great stores all around that

1972
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:33,079
are committed to it. So I'm out there. I try

1973
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:35,720
to find new places and it's not easy. There is

1974
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:40,079
so much happening in Las Vegas. Yeah, just the level

1975
01:45:40,119 --> 01:45:45,319
of restaurants again, the residencies. I can't go to everyone, right,

1976
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:50,279
but I mean, I've seen great shows here and I

1977
01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:53,159
know there and there's more, and I know the city

1978
01:45:53,279 --> 01:45:59,800
right now is in a feeling of economic uncertainty. That

1979
01:46:00,119 --> 01:46:02,359
and that's reality, and I guess we'll all find out

1980
01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:05,039
how it's going to play out once we get beyond

1981
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:06,640
the fall exactly.

1982
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 3: Well, it's amazing what's happening with the Durango. The station

1983
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:13,000
casinos lower the drinks, people come in and spend money.

1984
01:46:13,039 --> 01:46:16,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I must say. I was driving around

1985
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:20,039
and I saw that station casino, big you know, led

1986
01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:22,720
sign that said Margarita's a dollar ninety nine. So I

1987
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:26,239
went where I live in Summerland. So Red Rock Casino

1988
01:46:26,359 --> 01:46:29,079
is the nearest station casino to my house, and I

1989
01:46:29,239 --> 01:46:30,880
just said, I gotta go in. So I sat at

1990
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,199
the bar. It's not at every bar. It's at the

1991
01:46:33,279 --> 01:46:37,920
bar with the machine obviously, of course. So I ordered

1992
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,439
a margarita. So it's a dollar ninety nine and you

1993
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,079
could make it stronger for only two dollars.

1994
01:46:43,159 --> 01:46:45,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, a box for a double margarita.

1995
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,039
Speaker 1: And it's just insane. And I didn't go for it.

1996
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:49,640
Was in the afternoon, so I didn't go for the

1997
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:52,560
second shot. Had to like work more. Yeah, but I

1998
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,239
was like, wow, I got I got a light buzz.

1999
01:46:55,359 --> 01:46:58,079
It tasted good the mix, and I go, wow, this

2000
01:46:58,279 --> 01:47:01,840
is like the best of Vegas. And there's so many

2001
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:04,720
other great food deals right now that's going on, and

2002
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,079
the city has risen to the occasion. What did I see?

2003
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:11,560
Caesar's Palace for the time being is free parking?

2004
01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:16,159
Speaker 3: Oh really finally for now, for now, look.

2005
01:47:16,039 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 1: That up and I you know, and I'm just seeing

2006
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:22,479
all this, and the people have spoken. And right now,

2007
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:24,840
if you go to I don't work for the Virgin Hotel,

2008
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:25,960
but I can tell you if you go to the

2009
01:47:26,039 --> 01:47:30,520
Virgin Hotel right now, there's no resort fees, and they

2010
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,159
reduced the room rates by forty percent. And of course

2011
01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:36,199
the Virgin Hotel does not have any costs for parking

2012
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:38,439
exactly so there's a situation of like you can come

2013
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:40,399
to Vegas. Yeah, you're off the strip by like.

2014
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:44,399
Speaker 3: What a mile, but a Vegas mile, right, a Vegas block.

2015
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:51,680
Speaker 1: But that's what free parking, no resort fee, and a

2016
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:55,920
forty percent off rooms and you're staying in a sophisticated hotel,

2017
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:59,640
you know. So I think the city does have to

2018
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:03,840
reat on to that. Unfortunately, with social media, when the

2019
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:07,359
Fountain Blue open, people were putting their receipts on like

2020
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:10,319
how much a water costs in a room and that's unfair.

2021
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:12,239
And I'll tell you why. If you stay in a

2022
01:48:12,319 --> 01:48:16,840
four seasons in any city, whether it's Boston, La, Chicago,

2023
01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:21,199
Los Angeles, the room, the room service rates are insane.

2024
01:48:21,279 --> 01:48:24,880
And the first is a luxury hotel. I'm sorry if

2025
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:27,920
you want to stay there, it's going to be unfortunate

2026
01:48:28,079 --> 01:48:29,960
in terms of some of the prices on things.

2027
01:48:31,359 --> 01:48:32,239
Speaker 3: But Vega.

2028
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: But people still figure in their minds that Vegas is

2029
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:42,920
value city. So it feels, especially uh Psycho, that it

2030
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,640
would be that much. They forget that it is a

2031
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:48,840
major city and it is a luxury hotel. But it does.

2032
01:48:49,079 --> 01:48:52,600
But that image did not play well on the internet.

2033
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,359
People were like you know, hell with Vegas. I'll go

2034
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:57,960
somewhere else to give my money and blah blah blah,

2035
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:03,000
And people get angry. Obviously understand that. But I always

2036
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:04,720
tell people, you know, come to Vegas. You don't need

2037
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,479
to stay on the Strip. There are plenty of austrip

2038
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:11,000
hotels and then you can explore Chinatown Vegas. You can

2039
01:49:11,079 --> 01:49:13,000
get Since you're not on the Strip, it's easier to

2040
01:49:13,039 --> 01:49:14,800
go to Fremont Street East.

2041
01:49:15,079 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

2042
01:49:16,119 --> 01:49:19,359
Speaker 1: The clubs, the bars, the culture, the people on the streets,

2043
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,520
the free concerts. They do not even in the Fremont

2044
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:25,920
Street experience, but they do some at the corner now

2045
01:49:26,119 --> 01:49:29,600
of Sixth Street and Fremont Street, Oh East, and they

2046
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:35,479
have some DM performers out there. So it's really exciting.

2047
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:38,640
And I just love going I love going out in

2048
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:41,279
Vegas because you don't have to travel far. In Los Angeles,

2049
01:49:41,399 --> 01:49:45,359
I completely felt held hostage by being in my car,

2050
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:47,439
and I looked at it this way. I know my age,

2051
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,039
so I can tell you time is tight for me.

2052
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:53,479
And if you know that your time is tight, why

2053
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:56,439
would you want to spend the available time left sitting

2054
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:56,960
in traffic?

2055
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 3: I know I drove lyft uberl for eight years. Yeah,

2056
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:08,479
you know, and look, it's everything's twenty minutes away here.

2057
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 1: It truly is, unless you know, maybe the ride from

2058
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:14,279
summer Land to Henderson's going to be like the thirty

2059
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:16,560
you know, thirty three minutes or whatever it's going to be.

2060
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,359
And the great thing here is, you know, you're not

2061
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:25,520
really confined necessarily to the UH to the freeway, the streets.

2062
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,399
I mean, everybody knows you could take desert In and

2063
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:28,680
fly on that street.

2064
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:30,640
Speaker 3: Desert In is my is my secret.

2065
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, And sometimes you know, if I have to go

2066
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:34,920
because like one of my accounts is the Copra room

2067
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,199
now at the Tuscany. Yeah, absolutely, Sometimes what I do

2068
01:50:38,359 --> 01:50:41,119
is I just get off the fifteen at Sahara, swing

2069
01:50:41,239 --> 01:50:44,239
over to Paradise Road and go down that way. And

2070
01:50:44,359 --> 01:50:47,319
it's like I've avoided a lot of stuff that could

2071
01:50:47,399 --> 01:50:50,319
be crazy on a busy night or whatever. So there's

2072
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:53,640
lots of ways to get around here. We're in Los Angeles.

2073
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,319
If you have to do certain drives, there's really only

2074
01:50:56,399 --> 01:51:01,560
the freeway, and you know that's that's hard. So being

2075
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:05,439
here I feel that I don't feel as like I'm

2076
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:08,560
being held hostage. And that was the Los Angeles experience.

2077
01:51:09,159 --> 01:51:12,600
So that was so that really worked in my favor

2078
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:15,239
in being here. And also the first year of being

2079
01:51:15,279 --> 01:51:18,880
in Vegas was great because the rest the lockdown happened

2080
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:22,079
like about like March twenty first or whatever. The restaurants

2081
01:51:22,119 --> 01:51:25,880
were open here, not everyone on May thirteenth, so I

2082
01:51:26,039 --> 01:51:28,840
was posting online that my wife here, we are at

2083
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:31,640
these restaurant. I was taking food photos. And then somebody said,

2084
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,640
you know, Mitch, you're experiencing Vegas through a Los Angeles

2085
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:37,239
lens and it's really interesting to read your stuff. And

2086
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:40,039
so somebody said, you should talk to my friends at

2087
01:51:40,119 --> 01:51:43,000
casino dot org news. So I started writing a column

2088
01:51:43,079 --> 01:51:46,159
for them, and then from there I went over to

2089
01:51:46,279 --> 01:51:48,399
Vegas four one one. So I've been writing for them

2090
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:50,359
this column for two and a half years.

2091
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 3: It's great. So that's it.

2092
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:54,800
Speaker 1: I love the city. I hate to see it get attacked.

2093
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:59,199
But look, I understand if somebody is going to charge

2094
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:02,640
you twenty six dollars for a cocktail, that's a problem.

2095
01:52:02,319 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 3: And that needs to be examined exactly exactly. Look, one

2096
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:07,319
of my buddies was in town about a year ago,

2097
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:12,560
staying at Mandalay Bay. He touched he touched the bottle

2098
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:17,159
of vodka in his room. Touched it, boom, ninety five

2099
01:52:17,279 --> 01:52:20,479
dollars and it was like a bottle of Tito's. You know,

2100
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:21,119
it's like, come on.

2101
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:25,239
Speaker 1: Right, I know I hate those refrigerators because if you

2102
01:52:25,319 --> 01:52:27,399
move something around yep, so you have to go fight

2103
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,800
them at the desk about that. So that's unfortunate.

2104
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh I helped him drink it.

2105
01:52:31,079 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 1: Oh you did.

2106
01:52:32,079 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 3: He's like, well, fox it. You know I have to

2107
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:36,479
pay for it. Anyways, Miles will enjoy it.

2108
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:38,640
Speaker 1: Oh you know, Okay, well that must have been a

2109
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:42,600
great night then. Oh it was so so yeah. So

2110
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:46,359
I mean, I I'm a real ambassador of Las Vegas.

2111
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:51,159
I my column aside from appearing at Vegas for one one,

2112
01:52:51,319 --> 01:52:54,119
I send it around to lots of folks that I

2113
01:52:54,199 --> 01:52:56,399
know in Los Angeles and New York City and points

2114
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:59,720
elsewhere in America. And people are like saying, I didn't

2115
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,920
know you how to Chinatown. I didn't even talk about

2116
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:05,119
Chinatown too. I didn't even know. And I said, it's

2117
01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:09,279
real and you should experience it. And it's simply what

2118
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:13,199
a mile and a half from the Venetian Spring Mountain

2119
01:53:14,319 --> 01:53:16,880
and you could walk it if you wanted to or

2120
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:18,960
you could just take an you know, a ride share,

2121
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:25,279
and it's it's wonderful. It's big shopping plazas. The one

2122
01:53:25,319 --> 01:53:28,640
that's the most notable is Shanghai Plaza. It's a little

2123
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:30,319
difficult to park in there if you go to is

2124
01:53:30,359 --> 01:53:33,840
that the one with the gold that's a cross. No,

2125
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:38,640
that's Spring Mountain Plaza. That's parking is busy there, but

2126
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:39,680
you can park in the back.

2127
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:43,399
Speaker 3: Also, I know I shouldn't have shed that edit that out.

2128
01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:46,359
Oh wait, I'm talking to myself. Yeah, I'll bet I'll

2129
01:53:46,359 --> 01:53:47,119
put a beep there.

2130
01:53:48,079 --> 01:53:51,439
Speaker 1: So and yeah, and there's lots of other just great

2131
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:54,239
aspects that once I lived here. I remember somebody said, Mitch,

2132
01:53:54,279 --> 01:53:58,000
why don't you just get an MGM credit card. It'll

2133
01:53:58,039 --> 01:54:01,439
give you free parking in none because and MGM now

2134
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:05,640
owns nine hotels, including the Cosopolitan, which was their most

2135
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:10,359
recent acquisition. So there are ways to play it so

2136
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:14,800
it doesn't come off. So I will I'll stand for this,

2137
01:54:15,079 --> 01:54:17,520
you know, I'll stand for the city and the goodness

2138
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:22,239
and I and the museums. I'm happy on one level

2139
01:54:22,279 --> 01:54:24,760
that Vegas is going to get a proper art museum,

2140
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:28,760
and I think it opens next year. With a lot

2141
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,399
of pieces on loan from Los Angeles top museums. But

2142
01:54:32,479 --> 01:54:34,479
I hope it doesn't distract from the fact that we

2143
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,640
have the Punk Rock Museum, we have the Atomic Museum,

2144
01:54:39,319 --> 01:54:39,520
you know.

2145
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 3: We we have the we have the only heavy metal

2146
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:43,479
museum in Metal Blade Records.

2147
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:43,800
Speaker 2: You know.

2148
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 1: I have to get there. That's great, you know, I

2149
01:54:46,079 --> 01:54:48,520
have to go there. And so I got a call

2150
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:51,039
Brian and uh, because I would see Scott at the mix.

2151
01:54:51,279 --> 01:54:53,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, he told me he hasked, wanted me to ask

2152
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:55,640
you if you wanted to go to Uhurt tomorrow night.

2153
01:54:56,279 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: I can't go out tomorrow night, but that's great, and

2154
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:02,840
uh it's I'm doing publicity for the Bones, and the

2155
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:06,560
guitarist is in the Bones also, But I just I

2156
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:08,279
have some stuff going on that I can't go out

2157
01:55:08,319 --> 01:55:11,000
tomorrow night. But so that's great. So yeah, there's just

2158
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:13,760
all this this wonderful stuff, and the rock and roll

2159
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:17,079
community of Las Vegas cannot be underestimated. I agree, And

2160
01:55:17,239 --> 01:55:20,119
it did not. It existed in Los Angeles during the

2161
01:55:20,199 --> 01:55:25,079
hair metal years. See I used the phrase, and all right,

2162
01:55:25,239 --> 01:55:28,000
there was there was rivalry. But rivalry is good because

2163
01:55:28,039 --> 01:55:31,239
it makes musicians stronger, saying you know, we have to

2164
01:55:31,319 --> 01:55:33,800
do stuff here that's going to make us stand apart

2165
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:36,600
from that other band, even though they're our friends. We

2166
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:39,239
got to get a leg up. So rivalry is good,

2167
01:55:40,079 --> 01:55:42,760
but the rock and roll community is here, and it

2168
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:45,119
was just amazing just for me, Like when I started

2169
01:55:45,159 --> 01:55:48,600
doing the mixers, and then then you came to one

2170
01:55:49,479 --> 01:55:52,920
and then somebody brought somebody else, and then it's like

2171
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,520
the next time I invited them, and then they brought

2172
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:58,800
somebody else, and like even like my client Mickey free

2173
01:55:59,479 --> 01:56:04,159
Brandons again that creative visionary. He brought Jack Banks, a

2174
01:56:04,279 --> 01:56:07,600
video director, and then he started shooting Mickey Freeze videos.

2175
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:12,199
He shoots also just awesome social media videos too for

2176
01:56:12,359 --> 01:56:16,800
Brandon's Pachi Pachi, which I mention. So I've now seen

2177
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,640
that people have met people at the mixers, so that's

2178
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:22,960
been really gratifying for me. And the first mixer I

2179
01:56:23,039 --> 01:56:26,680
did was in the year June twenty twenty one. I

2180
01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:29,840
did it Dom de Marco's and there were like fifteen

2181
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:32,640
or twenty people because I didn't know many people that

2182
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:37,479
at that point, and what was just really incredible about

2183
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:39,640
it it was that was the three weeks that the

2184
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:44,359
masks came off. Oh god, and it was so liberating.

2185
01:56:44,439 --> 01:56:47,319
It was like wad and I looked back at the pictures.

2186
01:56:47,359 --> 01:56:50,000
And then soon after that we were told to put

2187
01:56:50,039 --> 01:56:52,720
the masks back on again, right, And so I called

2188
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:56,560
it People Need People and that title was inspired by

2189
01:56:56,600 --> 01:57:00,880
the isolationism of the pandemic and decided to keep it.

2190
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:04,039
And it's like, you know, you ain't nothing without other people.

2191
01:57:04,039 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 3: I ended the story.

2192
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,399
Speaker 1: I agree, you know, it's just the way it is.

2193
01:57:07,479 --> 01:57:09,880
Everybody needs a friend, every performer needs a fan.

2194
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 2: It's just it.

2195
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 1: So, you know, sadly, the location that I've been using

2196
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:18,239
for the past couple of years, the Great Laguna Pool

2197
01:57:18,279 --> 01:57:20,600
House and Kitchen on the sixth floor of the Palms Place.

2198
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:24,199
It's one of three restaurants now that have closed due

2199
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:29,880
to the probably the economy at the Palms Hotel. So

2200
01:57:30,399 --> 01:57:35,039
you know, I'm kind of scouting for another location. I

2201
01:57:35,159 --> 01:57:37,840
know I won't be able to exactly replicate.

2202
01:57:37,399 --> 01:57:39,840
Speaker 3: That, right, Well, just do me a favor. Find a

2203
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:41,239
place that has happy hour.

2204
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, although you know, the drinks were happy

2205
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:48,239
hour pricing, but they're.

2206
01:57:48,079 --> 01:57:52,439
Speaker 3: Happy hour pricing was long, but I think my can

2207
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,439
of bud light was ten dollars.

2208
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't feel like happy. Well that's not happy,

2209
01:57:58,920 --> 01:57:59,479
that's brutal.

2210
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was still fun.

2211
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 2: You know.

2212
01:58:02,119 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 1: Before I met you, I at one of the early mixers.

2213
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:07,039
After I did it at Don de Marcos. A few times,

2214
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:10,319
I was walking around that great area of Las Vegas

2215
01:58:10,399 --> 01:58:13,840
called Commercial Center New Orleans Square, and I went into

2216
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:17,079
that store, Avante Pop, which was a very cool indie

2217
01:58:17,439 --> 01:58:20,079
bookstore that's not there anymore. Then I went into the

2218
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:23,079
Horror Collectible Store and they said, oh, this cool place

2219
01:58:23,199 --> 01:58:26,159
just opened called Sister Kim's Kitchen, a soul food restaurant.

2220
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:28,760
So I went in and I just kind of said,

2221
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,359
this would be great to get people to come here.

2222
01:58:32,199 --> 01:58:34,600
And so I did a mixer there and really on

2223
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:38,560
a Saturday afternoon and people could order whatever they wanted.

2224
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:41,840
There was no alcohol, though, but it was like, you know,

2225
01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:45,319
you should taste what the black community is offering up

2226
01:58:45,399 --> 01:58:48,159
here in Los Angeles. This food is like insanely great.

2227
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:52,239
So that was great, and there's other places. I mean,

2228
01:58:52,279 --> 01:58:55,399
I love empanadas. There's a wonderful place called Fu Gazetta

2229
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:59,199
at Sahara and Jones in one of the shopping plazas there,

2230
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:02,359
and it's an offshoot of one from Buenos Aires. And

2231
01:59:03,079 --> 01:59:05,039
I always tell people one of the ways to experience

2232
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:07,920
Las Vegas offstrip is to get in your car and

2233
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:10,039
then get out of your car when you go into

2234
01:59:10,119 --> 01:59:12,800
a shopping plaza and walk around, because that's how I've

2235
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:15,239
discovered a lot of stuff. You know, it's not easy

2236
01:59:15,319 --> 01:59:17,600
to do in the heat of summer right where it's

2237
01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:19,680
like you just you can't even imagine that, of course,

2238
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,079
on a day where it's you know, the heat is penetrating.

2239
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:25,600
But get out, walk around, love your city, you know,

2240
01:59:26,319 --> 01:59:29,199
and support places that are close to you, because if

2241
01:59:29,279 --> 01:59:31,479
you support places that are close to you, you'll make

2242
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,479
your neighborhood great. I always tell people, don't you know,

2243
01:59:35,279 --> 01:59:37,840
you know, you don't have to go with no disrespect

2244
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:41,920
to Chinatown or Downtown Vegas. It's like, look what's in

2245
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,960
your area, because you'll make your area better is support it.

2246
01:59:45,439 --> 01:59:49,119
So I will pick real neighborhood restaurants to write about.

2247
01:59:49,359 --> 01:59:53,520
Another good lemon Cello at the Sahara and Cimarron, not

2248
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:56,239
too far from where Vamps used to be. Interesting to

2249
01:59:56,319 --> 02:00:00,039
say it that's just that's that's great. It's got but

2250
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:03,239
a little pricey, but it has the sophistication that I

2251
02:00:03,319 --> 02:00:06,560
think warrants the pricing. It's not like you're being jacked.

2252
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:08,079
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so it's.

2253
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:11,640
Speaker 1: Like, okay, I get it. So you know, love your city.

2254
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:14,239
Speaker 3: That's one place you should check out. One of my

2255
02:00:14,279 --> 02:00:17,840
favorite places, the Blue Ooks. What's it called again, It's

2256
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:20,560
called the Blue Box. There's two box. There's one on

2257
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:23,239
Sahara and there's one that the one I go to

2258
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:26,439
is on Eastern Okay, and there's two different owners, but

2259
02:00:26,479 --> 02:00:31,520
they're like brothers. Yeah right, it's Minnesota bar. They fly

2260
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:34,319
in Walleye from Minnesota. They fly in the cheese curds

2261
02:00:34,359 --> 02:00:38,439
from Wisconsin. A deep fry am there and it's affordable

2262
02:00:38,479 --> 02:00:40,800
and they give you a shit ton of food. Okay,

2263
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:43,439
and it's a bar restaurant, you know, it's it's a

2264
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:44,880
local bar, right.

2265
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,079
Speaker 1: Well, I love to get these tips and you know,

2266
02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:48,960
and there's something to be said because I haven't really

2267
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,840
talked about the East Side. You know, you have really

2268
02:00:51,960 --> 02:00:54,840
wonderful places there. At the Metro Pizza, which is an

2269
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:59,199
offshoot of the Laker Street Pizza place in Greenwich Village.

2270
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:02,279
You have that here, Like that was not immediately apparent

2271
02:01:02,359 --> 02:01:04,359
to me until somebody said Mitch, Okay, just go to

2272
02:01:04,439 --> 02:01:06,279
Metro Pizza that can come from New York. What are

2273
02:01:06,279 --> 02:01:09,720
you waiting for? So I went there. There's a great

2274
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:15,640
vintage and modern consignment store called the Purple Chandelier on

2275
02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:20,439
Eastern and Tropicana. It's thirty thousand square feet and it's

2276
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:22,840
incredible if you go in if you're looking for furniture.

2277
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:26,000
So that's on the east side. So I'm trying to

2278
02:01:26,079 --> 02:01:30,359
make it more of my mission. Okay, talk up the

2279
02:01:30,359 --> 02:01:32,399
east side. And of course I mentioned the Italian American

2280
02:01:32,479 --> 02:01:36,039
Club because obviously Casta Dea More on the east side

2281
02:01:36,079 --> 02:01:40,439
is right right, so there's there's all of that happening.

2282
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:43,840
So people should think about the east side.

2283
02:01:44,279 --> 02:01:47,800
Speaker 3: Found I've found when the other night I was craving

2284
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:51,640
a three taco plate, huh, and like I'm going east,

2285
02:01:52,279 --> 02:01:55,680
I went east, went I went east, and I found

2286
02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:59,159
this place, Lafa mall of I can't remember the name

2287
02:01:59,159 --> 02:02:01,039
of it, and I know it's exactly it's the Eastern

2288
02:02:01,279 --> 02:02:06,239
it's the Eastern and Tropicana well maybe half a blockdown, so.

2289
02:02:06,319 --> 02:02:08,680
Speaker 1: That's right near the Purple Shand yeah here then, okay,

2290
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:12,399
so that's great, and I have to say that I

2291
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:14,119
do like Roberto's Taco Shop.

2292
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:17,159
Speaker 3: I have to tried again.

2293
02:02:17,439 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 1: The chili rino was great. I can't tell you that

2294
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:23,239
every dish. I tend to be the kind of person like, like,

2295
02:02:23,239 --> 02:02:24,920
if I go to Italian restaurant, at least for the

2296
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:26,920
first time, you've got to give you the chicken palm

2297
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:28,920
because that's how I'm gonna see how real you are.

2298
02:02:29,079 --> 02:02:32,960
Of course as a restaurant. But the chili Reanno at

2299
02:02:33,479 --> 02:02:35,600
Roberto's Talker Shop is just fantastic.

2300
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:38,000
Speaker 3: Give it a shot. I'll love to give it a shot.

2301
02:02:38,319 --> 02:02:40,319
Speaker 1: It's worth Like sometimes I think that you haven't been

2302
02:02:40,359 --> 02:02:42,720
to a place in a while, it's good to go

2303
02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:46,560
back to see if it validates what you originally thought

2304
02:02:46,640 --> 02:02:49,720
or maybe will surprise you and that it up the

2305
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:53,159
ante somehow. So I think that's something to think about.

2306
02:02:53,479 --> 02:02:57,359
But yeah, so you know, east Side Downtown Arts justtrick.

2307
02:02:57,439 --> 02:03:01,359
And we haven't even mentioned Area fifteen. Area fifteen trumps

2308
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:06,039
anywhere in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, and it

2309
02:03:06,159 --> 02:03:08,319
keeps growing. When it first opened up, it was just

2310
02:03:08,399 --> 02:03:12,239
called Area fifteen. It's now called the Area fifteen district

2311
02:03:12,359 --> 02:03:16,479
because there's multiple buildings. Okay, so you have the universal

2312
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:20,720
horror attraction that you have other buildings. There's the John

2313
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:25,000
Wick Experience, there's Illuminarium. It is, you know, and I

2314
02:03:25,079 --> 02:03:27,239
hear that they're going to build a separate hotel.

2315
02:03:27,079 --> 02:03:27,840
Speaker 3: On their own.

2316
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:31,359
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, to even create more of that. So,

2317
02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:34,000
you know, and I love art, and you know, there's

2318
02:03:34,039 --> 02:03:38,840
so many artful uh installations that they have at Area fifteen.

2319
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:43,279
So that's something to be viewed and experienced. So I

2320
02:03:43,359 --> 02:03:45,760
think it's important now I when I told you before

2321
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:49,479
that I think Vegas is Paris in the twenties. Area

2322
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:54,800
fifteen has to be considered in that frame of reference

2323
02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:57,880
because that is something that does not exist anywhere else

2324
02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:03,479
in America to that. So that's my love for the city.

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It's like, wow, go you know, people don't even know.

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There's a great venue inside Area fifteen called the Wall,

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two hundred and fifty people. I saw a great band

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from Vermont who they have a level of popularity in

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England more so than here. They're called Thus Love, and

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I went to see them there and the acoustics were

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just pristine, the environment was great everything, and you know,

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and then you walk right out of that club into

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the big expanse of area fifteen, and then I wandered

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into this area and it was silent comedy where you

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put headphones on and you don't have to worry about

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hearing other people's laughing or whatever. So that was an experience.

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And so I mean, I feel that Las Vegas really

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offers just multiple experiences. So love it here.

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Speaker 3: It's great. Yeah, it's great, dude, thank you. I'm gonna

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hit the ultra music again. Yeah, oh my god, we

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kept going. That's all right, But dude, that's all right.

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I'm totally okay with that because to me, the more

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content the better. Mitch Schneider, thank you so much. Make

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sure you guys do check out his newsletter. I'll have

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all those links in the show. And thirteenth the big

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unofficial official Kiss pre party with One Last Kiss and

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the Bones, and I'm hosting Matt along with DJ Noise

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Is gonna be up there jamming and Hey. November fourth,

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thirteenth anniversary of another FM podcast, the very first Hall

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of Fame episode. I am inducting six or seven people.

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I'm not gonna tell you guys exactly who they are

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until that episode. So it's gonna be a lot of fun.

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But something tells me that that this might be involved. Okay, well,

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I've been using that drop for long enough. I think

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I think he deserves it. So mister Fontaine is God

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A love Pat Fontaine and his sister ladies and gentlemen.

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My name's is he presley On, behalf of Mitch Schneider.

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You guys have a good night, and don't forget what

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I lack in talent. I'll make up for the cock