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<v Speaker 1>Oh bed of that air, oh bed of Hello, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the show. This is the Cult of Conspiracy,

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<v Speaker 1>and my name is Jonathan. I'm Jacob, and today Jacob.

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<v Speaker 1>Let the good cult members know what we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about today, sir, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to be talking about oldie but a goodie.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're anybody who has been looking into some of

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<v Speaker 2>the more obscure conspiratorial things, then you've probably heard about

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<v Speaker 2>the man from Torrid. If you haven't, let me paint

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<v Speaker 2>you a picture. All right, it is mid nineteen fifties. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's think about the status of the world right now.

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<v Speaker 2>World War Two just ended a little over a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 2>The world is on the regrowth pattern right now. The

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<v Speaker 2>countries that were involved in World War Two, they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to change their whole look, a new rebrand, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>Germany's not trying to be crazy. They're trying to just

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild what they got. Japan had nukes dropped on them,

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to rebuild what they got, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>America seen is pretty much the powerhouse of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Cold War's going on right between the communist

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<v Speaker 2>nations and the capitalist nations and all of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>So in certain regards, security measures are at an all

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<v Speaker 2>time high, right, tensions are out of high. But in

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<v Speaker 2>other sections of the world, they're just trying to rebuild.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just trying to grow off of what they got. Okay, now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's take a little trip to Tokyo, Japan in this timeframe.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy pulls up to the airport, just seeming like

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<v Speaker 2>a normal dude. He's trying to get on the plane,

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<v Speaker 2>but he presents a passport that is, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>very large, like larger than a passport is supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, you know, depending on what country he

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<v Speaker 2>comes from, maybe the prints that they have in that

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<v Speaker 2>country are a little different than others. And i mean passports,

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<v Speaker 2>although they're supposed to be a pretty generic standard from

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<v Speaker 2>all of the world. At this time, things are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of up in the air a bit. So okay, no

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<v Speaker 2>real red flags off the rip. Then when you read

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<v Speaker 2>this passport it has a country on it that doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>The dude at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Airport is like, I'm sorry, what na sure from? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>from Torrid? Sorry where is Torrid?

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<v Speaker 3>It's in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been there for a thousand years. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>very long history in the Nation of Torrid. You've never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of the Kingdom of Torrid. Really, bro And the

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<v Speaker 2>guy at the airport's like, I can't say that I have.

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<v Speaker 2>But not only that, this passport is stamped with other stamps,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning this dude has been through like thirty countries in

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<v Speaker 2>the past few years. He is a well traveled man,

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<v Speaker 2>and no other airport thought to stop him and ask

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<v Speaker 2>him about the.

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<v Speaker 3>Nation of Torrid. They just kind of let him go on.

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<v Speaker 2>By long story short, he gets arrested, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>arrest him and throw him in jail necessarily. They wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to detain him until they could figure out what is

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<v Speaker 2>really going on here.

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<v Speaker 3>They put him up in a hotel. All this goes on, cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, There's the window to the hotel, I should mention

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't open, there's only one way interer out and they

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<v Speaker 2>actually put security guards by the door to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>this guy doesn't you know, get out of there, because

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<v Speaker 2>forgery was a big thing during this time, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Cold War shit, spy things going on, so

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want this dude, who might be some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of international spy to just dip out.

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<v Speaker 3>They're wondering what the hell's going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>The next morning, when the officials come and knock on

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<v Speaker 2>the door, he's on his bed, is made. There's no briefcase,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no suitcase, there's no nothing. There's no sign that

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<v Speaker 2>anyone even stayed in this hotel room that night. The

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<v Speaker 2>security guards get chastised for letting this guy escape, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, sir, we were posted up all night and

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<v Speaker 2>neither of us slept, and this door is the only

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<v Speaker 2>way out. He didn't leave. This is still, to this

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<v Speaker 2>day an unsolved case. The man has never been heard

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<v Speaker 2>from again. Jonathan, have you ever heard of this?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't, but I'm fucking here for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the kind of shit. This is right up

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<v Speaker 1>our alley.

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<v Speaker 3>There is. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a few hypotheticals that have been proposed about what

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<v Speaker 2>happened on this fateful day and to this specific gentleman.

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<v Speaker 2>Some say that, you know, he was actually an air

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<v Speaker 2>National spy and because of that, his spycraft allowed him

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to escape, escape that room, and he

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<v Speaker 2>went back to whatever country he's from. Another says perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>parallel universe Mandela effect.

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<v Speaker 3>Time warp type of situations.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, another One is saying that perhaps he was actually

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<v Speaker 2>an alien and he was taken from his hotel room

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<v Speaker 2>back to the ship in the night, just without a trace,

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<v Speaker 2>blink of a night kind of shit. Another says that

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<v Speaker 2>in reality, the guards were in on it. They were

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<v Speaker 2>paid off and it was That's something, dude. The more

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<v Speaker 2>you break it down, the more questions happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm most inclined to believe right now without

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<v Speaker 1>you know, more information, is that the guards had to

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<v Speaker 1>have been in on something. Like I trust me. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to believe that aliens and interdimensional travel and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the woo woo, all the crazy, the ufology type shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always here for it, but like I like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be truly convinced of it rather than just

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<v Speaker 1>believing it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I hear this, I really do.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first stumbled onto this story, I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of doing a little prodding, a little digging. A few

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<v Speaker 2>names came up that I didn't really understand. This was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this didn't make sense. The nation of Torrid obviously doesn't exist,

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<v Speaker 2>but when they asked to point to it on a map,

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<v Speaker 2>he pointed to a specific spot called Andorra have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard of andorra uh No, I don't think so small.

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<v Speaker 3>Principality between France and Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I say small, I mean like a speck

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<v Speaker 2>on the map that unless you knew what you were

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<v Speaker 2>looking for, you would never see it.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta put a map of it pulled up and

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<v Speaker 2>come to find out, there actually is a place called Torrid.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're gonna get to all of it in due time.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me go ahead and share the screen, and

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to break this story down a god

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of little clips that we're gonna play. I

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<v Speaker 2>got some articles that are gonna play some historical background,

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<v Speaker 2>and still this is considered an unsolved case allegedly. So

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<v Speaker 2>for any good cult member that would like to see

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<v Speaker 2>what we are talking about rather than just hear about it, Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 2>where can they go?

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, and of course if you do sign up for

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<v Speaker 2>for the cult member Live is a family unit. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a collective, cohesive group. And you know what, Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying the community that we have developed for ourselves,

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<v Speaker 2>our cult. Everybody wants to say that we are X,

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<v Speaker 2>Y and Z things. We're racists, we're biggots, we're homophobes,

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<v Speaker 2>or this, we're this. We have a resident Jewish correspondent,

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<v Speaker 2>a resident trans correspondent, a resident furry correspondent.

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<v Speaker 3>We got them in all shapes and colors over here.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything, we might be the most equal opportunity and

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<v Speaker 2>inclusive cult of conspiracy community that I've ever fucking heard of.

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<v Speaker 1>And nobody gets but hurt whenever we call things fake

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<v Speaker 1>and gay.

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<v Speaker 3>No one does.

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<v Speaker 2>Not one person has gotten offend and said, Hey, actually, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I really didn't appreciate the way you said that. No

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<v Speaker 2>one except that one gypsy guy. But also that that's

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<v Speaker 2>because I commit to the bit a little too hard sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>But like it's all good. No, no gypsy is out

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<v Speaker 1>there things that I'm actually hurt, like hating on them,

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<v Speaker 1>except that one Ascabo guy too. You know, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 3>About that the Inuits, excuse me, not the.

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<v Speaker 1>Eskimos, the Innuits, because you called them savages.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a direct quote. They were calling them that.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do that. The Vikings did. But yes, fair

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<v Speaker 2>they called them wild people that were untamable, And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's another weird point. The Vikings wren this

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<v Speaker 2>whole conquest of like conquering Greenland and conquering this and whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>They went to islands that had no one living there

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<v Speaker 2>and took them over. The first time they met some

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<v Speaker 2>people with some bows and arrows, They're.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, oh, gotta get out of here. These people are crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, cause you met resistance, bro, these are the

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<v Speaker 2>same people, allegedly the same like Viking crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like took over Paris and shit all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 3>Some anyway, anyoney.

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<v Speaker 1>No, It's like everybody has their own version of like

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<v Speaker 1>their own definition of crazy. You know, Like you ever

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<v Speaker 1>talk to somebody and their ex is always the craziest

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<v Speaker 1>person that they've ever met in their life, Like everybody

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<v Speaker 1>has one of those. It's like, damn, somebody has to

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<v Speaker 1>have the craziest one, right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, I feel like we've seen those on like true

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<v Speaker 2>crimes or like was that one broken where like the

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<v Speaker 2>chick loser minds like stabs her husband and death the

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<v Speaker 2>bunch times, like you know what that guy might have

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<v Speaker 2>had the craziest x rip Like there you go, you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, All right, back to the point.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a little short clip here, Let's learn the overarching

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<v Speaker 2>story of the man from tourd.

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<v Speaker 4>Nineteen fifty four, a man arrived at Tokyo's Haneda Airport

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<v Speaker 4>with a passport from a country no one had ever

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<v Speaker 4>heard of, Torred. His passport looked authentic, with stamps from

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<v Speaker 4>countries across Europe. Confused authorities questioned him, but he insisted

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<v Speaker 4>that Tord was real and locate between France and Spain.

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<v Speaker 4>When shown a map, he pointed to Andorra, but was

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<v Speaker 4>baffled that it wasn't labeled as Tauret. To make things stranger,

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<v Speaker 4>the man disappeared from a locked hotel room overnight, leaving

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<v Speaker 4>no trace. Some suggest he was a time traveler or

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<v Speaker 4>from a parallel world. The case remains unsolved to this day.

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<v Speaker 4>What's your theory?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, now, let's get into it. I got a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of little articles here. I'm gonna do my best

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<v Speaker 2>to not let them repeat each other. But as far

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<v Speaker 2>as the overarching story goes, that is displayed on a

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<v Speaker 2>good bit of them. But here we go, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>into it here. This one is from Michelle Gargillo.

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<v Speaker 3>Gargio, there you go, Gargio.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and it's the man from Taured the

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<v Speaker 2>airport mystery.

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<v Speaker 3>No one can explain.

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<v Speaker 1>Spooky season is here. So I'm doing my best to

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<v Speaker 1>retell all of my favorite mysteries. This is one of

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<v Speaker 1>my all time favorites. When in the summer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four, a well dressed man stepped off a plane

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<v Speaker 1>at Henita a Report in Tokyo with a crisp little

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<v Speaker 1>passport from nowhere. He was fluent in French and Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>and had a story that made no damn sense. His

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist, not then, not now, and definitely not on

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<v Speaker 1>any map we've ever seen. When Japanese authorities tried to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out where he was really from, he confidently pointed

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<v Speaker 1>to a spot between France and Spain. The officials told

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<v Speaker 1>him that it was a country called Andorra. He was confused,

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<v Speaker 1>even irritated, and he insisted that he had never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of Andorra. He was from Torrid and his country had

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<v Speaker 1>existed for over a thousand years. Wow, what an empire.

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<v Speaker 1>And then while the authorities were trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>man and his mystery disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I should tell people now not to give away too much,

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<v Speaker 2>but the fact that he was fluent in French and

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese put a pin in that one for Way Way, Way,

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<v Speaker 2>lif La. It's gonna come into play, I promise, But

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<v Speaker 2>for now it's still just this wild mystery that no

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<v Speaker 1>The story goes like this. In July nineteen fifty four,

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<v Speaker 1>traveler arrived in Tokyo on a routine business flight. He

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<v Speaker 1>completely at ease with his traveling experience until Japanese custom

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<v Speaker 1>officers flagged his passport. His passport said that it was

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<v Speaker 1>from a country called Torrid. The document looked genuine. It

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<v Speaker 1>even had stamps from previous travels, including from Japan. He

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<v Speaker 1>even had official looking currency from various European countries and

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<v Speaker 1>a checkbook from a bank no one could find in

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<v Speaker 1>any directory. When officials asked him to point out Torrid

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<v Speaker 1>on a map, he placed his finger on the border

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<v Speaker 1>between France and Spain. Rate where Andorra is, But he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't recognize Andorra. He said he'd never even heard of it.

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<v Speaker 1>His country, Torrid, he insisted, had been there for over

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand years. This wasn't a vague answer someone who

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<v Speaker 1>is living in a made up story might give. He

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty specific. He was even confident, and seemed genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>annoyed at their confusion the question. They questioned him further

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<v Speaker 1>to try and make more sense of it. Where was

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<v Speaker 1>he going, who was he meeting? Did he have contacts

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan?

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<v Speaker 3>All very valid questions.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave names of a Japanese company he claimed to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing business with, a hotel he had reservations at,

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<v Speaker 1>and a bank he worked with. Authorities followed up with

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<v Speaker 1>a followed up while he was being held. Oddly, none

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<v Speaker 1>of it existed. The company existed, but had no record

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<v Speaker 1>of him working with them. The the hotel had never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of a reservation and had nothing saved in his name.

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<v Speaker 1>The bank didn't exist anywhere in this world anyway, so

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<v Speaker 1>they detained him for further questioning, intending on getting to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of this. But that's where things he had

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<v Speaker 1>even weirder. Since his story didn't add up, officials put

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<v Speaker 1>him in a hotel room under god under guard. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't arrested, but he was essential under surveillance. Two immigration

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<v Speaker 1>officers reportedly stayed outside his door all night, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>by morning he was gone. The guards never saw him leave.

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<v Speaker 1>The door had not been opened, the windows were sealed shut,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were on a high floor with no balcony

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<v Speaker 1>or no way of jumping down. His personal belongings, such

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<v Speaker 1>as a passport, documents, wallet, checkbook, briefcase, had all vanished too.

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<v Speaker 1>No one ever saw him again. He was just gone,

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<v Speaker 1>like he slipped back into whatever parallel timeline he came from.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, so let's talk a little bit about what was Torrid.

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<v Speaker 3>Supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>When the man pointed to the Pyrenees, he was essentially

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<v Speaker 1>showing the modern day location of Andorra, a real and

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<v Speaker 1>tiny country that's been around since the twelve hundreds That's

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<v Speaker 1>part of what makes the story so compelling to me.

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<v Speaker 1>His claim wasn't outlandish geographically, but the name was completely foreign.

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<v Speaker 1>He said Torred had existed for over a thousand years

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<v Speaker 1>and that it was a respected nation. He'd claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd done business in Japan before, and he was shocked

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<v Speaker 1>that they were giving him a hard time. One theory

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that maybe he was from a version of reality

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<v Speaker 1>where Andorra was called toward that in his world everything

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<v Speaker 1>looked basically the same until he accidentally crossed over into ours. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wild, Now I should mention this as well. Right now.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he had done business in Japan before. His

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<v Speaker 2>passport had shown that he had come to and from

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<v Speaker 2>Japan in recent years, so that wasn't made up either.

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<v Speaker 2>They at one point in time, he absolutely got off

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<v Speaker 2>the plane at the Japanese airport, got stamped in, did business,

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<v Speaker 2>and left. This was his second or third trip back

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<v Speaker 2>to Japan at least, so again he knew the hotel. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't find any kind of reservation to him, but

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel existed. The company that he claimed that he

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<v Speaker 2>was doing business with was absolutely a real company. But

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<v Speaker 2>nobody at any of these locations, ever heard of this man,

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<v Speaker 2>or had dealings with him, or had ever received money

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<v Speaker 2>from him or anything like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I'm trying to figure out like what I

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<v Speaker 1>believe about dimensions, you know what I mean? Like sure,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because some people will say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all dimensions are because it's not just about the dimensions,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you hear Anthony the Reptilian chandeler. He goes, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also densities too. There's different levels of densities within

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<v Speaker 1>each dimension. Is basically talking about like the different frequencies

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<v Speaker 1>of each dimension whatever. Right, And so does that mean

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<v Speaker 1>that like if someone were to live in this reality,

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<v Speaker 1>the one that we are currently in at this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>if they were to jump to another dimension, would it

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<v Speaker 1>look just like this? Would everything be basically the same,

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<v Speaker 1>but just you know, a couple of Mandela effects here

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<v Speaker 1>and there.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's it's all up into the imagination, right. So,

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<v Speaker 2>Like let's say right now, you woke up to you're

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<v Speaker 2>still you, You still got all the same tattoos, you have,

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<v Speaker 2>your your phone is exactly where you left it, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But you get in your car and you turn on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio station and it's already pre programmed to some

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<v Speaker 2>radio station you've never heard of before, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>songs playing that you've never heard of before from an

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<v Speaker 2>artist that you have heard of, like Snoop's new album,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, wait, I'm sorry, did I miss something here?

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<v Speaker 2>It's been at the top of the jar for the

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<v Speaker 2>last three months. Here's Snoop Dogg And it's like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>oh he hasn't What the fuck are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>But like, okay, maybe you found like a retro channel

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<v Speaker 2>or some shit like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You move on.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you go to go grab your local, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your cup of Joe in the morning, and you get

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<v Speaker 2>there and it's Comic Dollars, not Starbucks, and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>what what the hell is comic dollars?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And then they're like, you've never heard of the international

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<v Speaker 2>coffee chain Comic Dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're a little crazy there.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro, So you're to believe that it's something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, how what would you do? How would

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<v Speaker 2>you feel if that was the case. Now, everything else

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<v Speaker 2>is the same, street lights are the same, the city

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<v Speaker 2>you're in is the same. It's still called Actually I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what city you're currently in Okay Lake Havasu.

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<v Speaker 2>All that's the same. Everything, the culture is the same,

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<v Speaker 2>all the stuff. It's just these weird, little nuanced differences

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<v Speaker 2>that you're just like, I'm not crazy. That's always been

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<v Speaker 2>Starbucks Snoop hasn't been relevant in the music scene for

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<v Speaker 2>quite some time. What the what are you talking about here?

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<v Speaker 2>And you just do you just kind of accept that

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<v Speaker 2>this is reality and you're just like, huh, maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a little crazy, or do you actually fight that fight

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<v Speaker 2>and tell people, no, you're crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm right.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not gonna sit here and say that that's

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy thing to throw out there, because I believe

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<v Speaker 1>in some weird shit, you know. So I'm inclined to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that all of this reality is somewhat of a

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<v Speaker 1>malleable dream in some form or some form or fashion. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So to say that we can jump from another dimension

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<v Speaker 1>of this same reality to a slightly different, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>version of the same reality. Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, bro, what if you woke up tomorrow and

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<v Speaker 2>all of our cars were like the British and the

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<v Speaker 2>steering wheel was on the opposite side, and we had

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<v Speaker 2>to start driving on the left side of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the only difference, Bro, I would crash in

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<v Speaker 2>the first day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking, you know, my dog's

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<v Speaker 1>name is Fatty. What if I woke up and his

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<v Speaker 1>name was Skinny, I'd be like, what, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on? What twilight zone are we in

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<v Speaker 1>right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly something.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get to this dude from Torrid, he okay,

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<v Speaker 2>is it possible that he was on a business trip

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<v Speaker 2>from Torrid and had a little time warp jump that

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't actually aware of on the plane ride over.

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<v Speaker 3>As a matter of fact, he just he took him

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<v Speaker 3>a little snooze on the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>When he woke up, there were some slight differences, but

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<v Speaker 2>not enough that would really catch his eye until he

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<v Speaker 2>got off the plane and tried to have this business

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<v Speaker 2>deal and the company didn't have any record of him

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>He says like fuck this, and I'm going back home.

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<v Speaker 3>And now he's getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Some guff over at the airport and he's like, Bro,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to get home, Like what the hell?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is there something more the theory is happening here?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there more to the story on the back end?

422
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<v Speaker 2>And all of this has been a play because your

423
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<v Speaker 2>boy's riding dirty.

424
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess anything's possible. I mean, I just

425
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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I'm pretty sure that there's a little

426
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<v Speaker 1>bit more to the story than you know, what we've

427
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<v Speaker 1>talked about. So on the surface, I'm just like, all right,

428
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<v Speaker 1>I need more.

429
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel that, let's get into it.

430
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<v Speaker 1>So there are theories about what really happened. There are

431
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<v Speaker 1>five main explanations people toss around on the interwebs together.

432
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<v Speaker 1>Number one is that it's an urban legend and an

433
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<v Speaker 1>hoax in a hoax, right, It's like, yeah, that's probably

434
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<v Speaker 1>the easiest thing to assume, I would imagine, right, sure,

435
00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Like if a story is too crazy, usually it's somewhat

436
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<v Speaker 1>of a little campfire story, you know. Yeah, yeah, But

437
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<v Speaker 1>it says this is the most grounded theory that seems

438
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<v Speaker 1>the most believable. There's no official record of this event,

439
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<v Speaker 1>not from the Japanese government, not from the airport, not

440
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<v Speaker 1>even in contemporary news archives. Most references to the story

441
00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:13.920
<v Speaker 1>pop up in paranormal books or Internet forums long after

442
00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.880
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty four. So it could have started out as

443
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<v Speaker 1>a bar story, a retelling of someone's dream, or an

444
00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:22.279
<v Speaker 1>urban myth that got juicier every time it was shared.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Think of it like the Mandela effect, but with a

446
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<v Speaker 1>protagonist and a passport.

447
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<v Speaker 3>That's a possibility for sure.

448
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, I mean I would like to know what

449
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<v Speaker 1>the source is, like the main source, you know, like

450
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<v Speaker 1>nobody in Japan. I mean that's where he was detained at,

451
00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Like you would think that that's where the story came from.

452
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<v Speaker 2>It is, as a matter of fact, But we're gonna

453
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<v Speaker 2>get to the why there's no official record of it

454
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<v Speaker 2>later on. But for those out there that are saying

455
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<v Speaker 2>that this is complete hoax and it's just made up

456
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<v Speaker 2>and it's just internet lore that got okay, I can

457
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<v Speaker 2>at least understand why they would believe that. But there

458
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<v Speaker 2>is in fact, much much more to the story and

459
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<v Speaker 2>to the man in question.

460
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<v Speaker 1>Only reason I say that is is that you know,

461
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<v Speaker 1>I've been doing a fair amount of biblical study here

462
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<v Speaker 1>over the past couple of days, just on my road

463
00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:16.519
<v Speaker 1>trip to Arizona, and you know, most of most people

464
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<v Speaker 1>would agree that there has to be some form of

465
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<v Speaker 1>of a q source is what they call it, right

466
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<v Speaker 1>as far as like the Four man Gospels of Matthew,

467
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<v Speaker 1>Mark Luke, and John Right that I think was it. Mark,

468
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<v Speaker 1>they say, is the earliest writing, right. I think they

469
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<v Speaker 1>date that to like seventy somewhere around seventy fifty to seventy.

470
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<v Speaker 2>So Matthew might be the earliest, but I might be

471
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<v Speaker 2>getting Matthew and Mark and.

472
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<v Speaker 1>One of the at whatever. But anyway, they say, well,

473
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<v Speaker 1>the way that it was written, it was almost as

474
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<v Speaker 1>if he had gotten that story. The writer of Mark

475
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<v Speaker 1>or Matthew or whatever. The first book was that he

476
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<v Speaker 1>had gotten that story from another source, and they call

477
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<v Speaker 1>that the Q source, right, And so.

478
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<v Speaker 3>The eyewitness source would be the Q source.

479
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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, yeah, unless it was written down somewhere and

480
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<v Speaker 1>that's where he got it from. Could have been something

481
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<v Speaker 1>like that, doesn't even necessarily have to be the eyewitness.

482
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<v Speaker 1>But maybe it was shared from an eyewitness to another person,

483
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<v Speaker 1>but it was the original writing of the you know

484
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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? It could be whatever, but I got you.

485
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<v Speaker 1>So that's what I'm trying to get at. Is there

486
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<v Speaker 1>a fucking Q source to this story? You know?

487
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<v Speaker 3>Indeed? Indeed?

488
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So nextly we have the next possibility. Some people

489
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<v Speaker 1>suggest a delusional traveler could be I mean, people are crazy.

490
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<v Speaker 1>Can't really put it past people, right.

491
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<v Speaker 3>Jet lag hit home boy a little harder than the rest.

492
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I can't imagine to do what hit his passport though, correct,

493
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<v Speaker 1>But let's continue. Some speculate this man might have had

494
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<v Speaker 1>a serious mental health condition, one where he fully believed

495
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<v Speaker 1>in a country that didn't exist. Schizophrenia or disassociative identity

496
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<v Speaker 1>disorder could explain the confidence and detail in his answers,

497
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and maybe the passport was forged or altered to reflect

498
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<v Speaker 1>his internal reality. But the this doesn't explain how he

499
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.599
<v Speaker 1>vanished from a guarded room unless the whole story was

500
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<v Speaker 1>embellished or made up entirely by someone retelling its secondhand.

501
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:10.079
<v Speaker 3>This also is true.

502
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<v Speaker 2>These are very possible, probable, even possibilities out here, But

503
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 2>there's a little more to it.

504
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:17.319
<v Speaker 3>Let's keep going.

505
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<v Speaker 1>I'm least inclined to believe that one. Next one is

506
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe he's a fucking time traveler, which, hey, you know

507
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:29.160
<v Speaker 1>we like time travelers. Hey, if you're already this far

508
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:31.759
<v Speaker 1>reading about a man from a non existing country, why

509
00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:34.559
<v Speaker 1>not crank the weird up to eleven. Maybe he came

510
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<v Speaker 1>from a different timeline, a future, a past, a sideways

511
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.480
<v Speaker 1>version of Earth where tord was very much a thing,

512
00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.759
<v Speaker 1>and the Germans won World War Two. Who knows he

513
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.200
<v Speaker 1>got stuck here for a brief moment and then somehow

514
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.680
<v Speaker 1>unstuck himself. For the record, time travel is technically allowed

515
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>by the laws of physics under certain theoretical models, and

516
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<v Speaker 1>I love talking about it in depth, but that's a

517
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<v Speaker 1>whole nother rabbit hole. If you're a time traveler. Stephen

518
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Hawking threw you a party that you forgot to go to,

519
00:25:58.640 --> 00:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>but I'm guessing you can fix that.

520
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.839
<v Speaker 2>I actually think, dude, I thought about this a lot,

521
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:05.039
<v Speaker 2>the Stephen Hawking party.

522
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<v Speaker 3>You remember hearing about that.

523
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't so Stephen Hawking before he died, Oh they right,

524
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say rip, but not after we learned

525
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:17.680
<v Speaker 2>about him on Epstein Island, which I still don't understand

526
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:19.960
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck he got out of it, like he.

527
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Will nothing because Epstein was the only one that was

528
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:23.759
<v Speaker 1>trafficking girls to himself.

529
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<v Speaker 2>Of course, of course I forgot, I forgot, right, right,

530
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<v Speaker 2>right right, Even though again understood, Hawking went to the

531
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<v Speaker 2>island of Bunge and I guess just enjoyed watching wild shit,

532
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 2>and like again, I don't understand, I don't understand, but

533
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.880
<v Speaker 2>he was a weird fuck anyway, So he threw a

534
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:42.759
<v Speaker 2>party for time travelers, and he made sure to not

535
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<v Speaker 2>tell anyone about it until like two days later, or

536
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>he like sent something off from the mail, and it

537
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:50.880
<v Speaker 2>was gonna be sure to like get out there a

538
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<v Speaker 2>couple of days after the fact, specifically so that if

539
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<v Speaker 2>any time travelers are out there, they would have shown

540
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<v Speaker 2>up to the party because they would have gotten the

541
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<v Speaker 2>information in the future and had the capabilities come back

542
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:03.240
<v Speaker 2>in time to the party.

543
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 3>For the record, no one showed up.

544
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Of course, Yeah, but not even your boy John teetor

545
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>or Teeter or whatever his name was.

546
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:13.079
<v Speaker 3>No, nobody.

547
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 2>But I also, I'm just gonna be real, like, if

548
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I was a time traveler, if I had that capability,

549
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>I had the fucking machine in my garage or whatever,

550
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:22.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, I wouldn't be going to his party because

551
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:27.680
<v Speaker 2>you understand that at that point everyone knows he's confirmed pedophile. Like,

552
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:29.400
<v Speaker 2>why would you want to go to this guy's party?

553
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Hey?

554
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:31.680
<v Speaker 1>First, so what you want to go hang out with

555
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 1>a guy who is is? Was he paraplegic or quadriplegic?

556
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.240
<v Speaker 3>Dude, he couldn't even move his jaw.

557
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 2>He was all the way polegic, like quadriplegic, was anything

558
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>from the neck down.

559
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Homeboy could only use his brain and blink.

560
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>He was omnipolegic.

561
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Even still, Like and I heard people say, well, what

562
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 2>if all the time travelers actually were just like pulling

563
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<v Speaker 2>a prank on him. I'm like, yeah, we know at

564
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.359
<v Speaker 2>your party, We're not going there because then that's gonna

565
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 2>confirm shit.

566
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:05.599
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna keep it a secret for a little while longer.

567
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, or all of.

568
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.160
<v Speaker 2>The time travelers knew that he was a convict, confirmed

569
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.920
<v Speaker 2>convicted pet wee, not convicted he died, but confirmed pedophile,

570
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't want to be associated with a piece

571
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.279
<v Speaker 2>of shit like that. And it's like, you know, or

572
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.319
<v Speaker 2>or time travel is totally not real. I am of

573
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.960
<v Speaker 2>the belief that it's probably possible. I just don't think

574
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.799
<v Speaker 2>we got the tech for it as of this moment.

575
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, who knows.

576
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I'm on the fence with time travel.

577
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's probably possible, like realistically, the same

578
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 2>way that interdimensional travel is probably possible. I don't know

579
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 2>if the carbon based life form of our body can

580
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 2>make the trip.

581
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I think the time travel is probably real but

582
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>not in the sense that we think it is. So technically,

583
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, like whenever you look at a star, allegedly

584
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:57.119
<v Speaker 1>if space is not faking gay, I have to throw

585
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.759
<v Speaker 1>that disclaimer out. If you look look at a star

586
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>that is like thousands of light years away, what you're

587
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>looking at is not the light that it's currently emitting.

588
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:06.519
<v Speaker 3>It.

589
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>You're looking at the light of the thousands of years

590
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>ago that it took for that light to travel, right Yeah.

591
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.319
<v Speaker 1>And so I mean is that kind of time traveling.

592
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.839
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like looking into a crystal ball a little.

593
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Bit, kind of kind of you're you're taking a snapshot

594
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 2>of that stars past right now.

595
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's if we are to believe that these

596
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking things are light years away, which you know, my

597
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 1>mind still can't even fathom that. You know.

598
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I mean, a light year is very hard

599
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 2>for the human brain to wrap around. Like I get that,

600
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.839
<v Speaker 2>it's not just a youth thing like realistically say saying,

601
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, a qua trillion, that is a hard number

602
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:49.839
<v Speaker 2>for us to wrap our minds around to even to Yeah,

603
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I get it.

604
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:54.839
<v Speaker 3>We're talking it's like an infinity that is so much.

605
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean it's infinite, like you can't even

606
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 1>count it. But it's like, you know, they're saying that

607
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Elon is about to be They always say that he's

608
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:05.839
<v Speaker 1>like the world's richest man. Get the fuck out of

609
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>here with that, not anymore. Well, only reason I say

610
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:11.359
<v Speaker 1>that is because they say that he's about to become

611
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<v Speaker 1>the world's first trillionaire. And I'm like, dude, you know

612
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.319
<v Speaker 1>how much money of fucking trillion dollars is It's a

613
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand billions. You know how much a billion is, It's

614
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a thousand millions. So yeah, that's that's a thousand thousand

615
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:27.279
<v Speaker 1>fucking million.

616
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Looking into this, there's a dude that just passed him

617
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<v Speaker 2>up as being the richest man on earth. I mean,

618
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>business moves. It's it's wild how I guess it's jumped

619
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>up there.

620
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I would assume that it's some Saudi prints bro,

621
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean you know what I mean.

622
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.640
<v Speaker 2>No, he's look him up as a matter of fact,

623
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 2>he uh shit, what's his name? And as soon as

624
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.759
<v Speaker 2>as soon as you say it, I'm gonna be pissed

625
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.000
<v Speaker 2>off of myself. But yeah, he uh, he's a well

626
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>known guy tycoon type out there. But yeah, he's either

627
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.599
<v Speaker 2>just passed up Elon or is like about two in

628
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 2>a matter of a couple of weeks or something like that.

629
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<v Speaker 3>If the money goes the way it's going.

630
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<v Speaker 1>You talking about Larry Ellison, that's the guy. Oh that

631
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:13.519
<v Speaker 1>makes sense from fucking Oracle yep, okay, yeah, the data collector.

632
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>That guy, yeah makes.

633
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.240
<v Speaker 2>The data collector that got all the government contracts. Just

634
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>pass up Elon Musk as the richest guy on earth.

635
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, really, shout out, I could have seen

636
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>that coming.

637
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to Texas where that facility's at, baby.

638
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.720
<v Speaker 3>And shout out to the government for spying on us,

639
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 3>which what I.

640
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Mean does shout out to everybody for allowing the government

641
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 1>to be okay with spotting on us.

642
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Big facts, Big facts there.

643
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Getting off of and back onto topic here for the

644
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.799
<v Speaker 2>time traveling conversation, I mean for myself personally. Yeah, if

645
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about, like it's time travel possible, yo, you

646
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>give me a fifth of whiskey, I'll time travel. I

647
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>will wake up in a whole new time, in a

648
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>whole new place and have no idea how I got there.

649
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's that's not hard to accomplish. The forward

650
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:56.640
<v Speaker 2>time travel, I feel like it's not hard. It is

651
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>that backward that seems to be the issue, you know.

652
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, most people were pretty good at bringing up

653
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>old shit, you know, So I would say that's that's

654
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 1>kind of like time traveling.

655
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 2>So is it possible that this guy was a time

656
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 2>traveler that bipped and bopped in an outbro.

657
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 1>It's not impossible, of course, right Like you can't say no,

658
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know, I don't know. Was it

659
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 1>a possible multiverse slip? I'm actually more inclined to believe

660
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 1>this over the time travel. This is where things get

661
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>juicier than watermelon in August. There's a theory in quantum

662
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.519
<v Speaker 1>mechanics called the many world's interpretation that suggests every decision

663
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>spawns a new parallel universe. In some reality, you had

664
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 1>cereal for breakfast, and another you had eggs, and yet

665
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.799
<v Speaker 1>another you are the eggs creepy. So maybe this man

666
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>slipped through the seams of his universe and landed in

667
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>ours by mistake, a tiny crack between realities where the

668
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.279
<v Speaker 1>geography is almost the same but not quite. He tried

669
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 1>to blend in, but it didn't work, and then the

670
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>universe corrected itself ooopsies all better.

671
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.839
<v Speaker 2>No, that is a theory that a lot of people

672
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>have proposed. As far as the man from toward is concerned.

673
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually one that believes in the many worlds interpretation.

674
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, I think that, you know,

675
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.279
<v Speaker 1>if we are to believe, you know, just my suggestion

676
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 1>that this could be some And I don't even mean

677
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to say dream. It's just the closest thing that I

678
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>can get to describing what I think it is. But

679
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:25.559
<v Speaker 1>I believe that it's probably most likely that the only

680
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 1>reason I say this is because I think that the

681
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 1>entire universe is mental. And that's like the that's the

682
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:37.799
<v Speaker 1>first law or the first principle of hermetics hermeticism, right,

683
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>is that all is mental, essentially saying that you know,

684
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 1>everything comes from consciousness, not the other way around. Right,

685
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.079
<v Speaker 1>And so I guess it wouldn't really be that crazy

686
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.119
<v Speaker 1>that literally every frame of your reality, you're jumping from

687
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:57.279
<v Speaker 1>one reality to another, to another to another, and dependent

688
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:02.119
<v Speaker 1>upon your vibe, your frequence, see your vibration, whatever people say, right,

689
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:06.839
<v Speaker 1>your energy, that that will determine the reality that you

690
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 1>are in in that moment. And why they always say

691
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.039
<v Speaker 1>all the mystics and the enlightened individuals have always said

692
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>that the most important time is the present, because if

693
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking about the future, I mean, you're kind of

694
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 1>you're not You're never going to be in the future,

695
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. You can never exist in

696
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 1>the future, and you can never exist in the past.

697
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.039
<v Speaker 1>And so if you're constantly jumping from you know, place

698
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 1>to place, frame by frame, and we just kind of

699
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 1>see it as linear happening, I don't know. I've done

700
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.159
<v Speaker 1>way too many psychedelics, That's the truth of it.

701
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:40.559
<v Speaker 3>No, No, I get it.

702
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:42.559
<v Speaker 2>I get it, and I understand the conversation of the

703
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:47.840
<v Speaker 2>multiverse and the possibility that this dude was a accidental

704
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:52.360
<v Speaker 2>multiverse traveler that did not intend to be, or possibly

705
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.360
<v Speaker 2>he's more of like a doctor Strange type dude and

706
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.519
<v Speaker 2>absolutely meant to jump into and out of this parallel

707
00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 2>multiverse situation.

708
00:34:59.440 --> 00:34:59.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

709
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the timestone, I mean, it's very possible, dude, I

710
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know, But that is one that we'll here proposed

711
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.679
<v Speaker 2>by a couple of other uh, you know, articles and

712
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>things as we move on, and then we get to

713
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 2>the fifth possibility.

714
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>The fifth possibility would be a government cover up. Of course,

715
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>some people believe the story was real and erased as

716
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 1>per usual odd things that the government gets its hands into,

717
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>that the authorities knew something weird had happened, and that

718
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe he wasn't even the first, or maybe he said

719
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 1>something dangerous, or maybe his documents couldn't be explained with

720
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 1>our current understanding of physics. Someone or so someone higher

721
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>up made it disappear. You'd think if they were going

722
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to cover it up, though, they'd be better at scrubbing

723
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the story entirely. But who knows. The government always has

724
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.639
<v Speaker 1>a way of hiding things in plain sight. That is true, Yeah,

725
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that is. I mean, I don't know if there's any

726
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 1>way that you can fully erase. I mean, there's probably

727
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a way that they'd be able to erase it, but

728
00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:58.920
<v Speaker 1>people jop things down.

729
00:35:59.639 --> 00:35:59.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

730
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.079
<v Speaker 2>But in the nineteen fifties, right, keep this in mind,

731
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.880
<v Speaker 2>this is before they had computers. Everywhere was still they

732
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.280
<v Speaker 2>were putting in data entry logs by hand.

733
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in pin into books, you know what I mean.

734
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.679
<v Speaker 2>So it's I could understand and I could make sense

735
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.679
<v Speaker 2>of it. Like, Okay, dude comes up with a fake passport,

736
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 2>that's not a good sign. We detain him, and he escaped.

737
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.039
<v Speaker 2>And keep mind this Japan after World War Two, they're

738
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:26.679
<v Speaker 2>still trying to show the world they're not imperial Japan.

739
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.079
<v Speaker 2>They're the more capitalist and industrial Japan. They're a whole

740
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 2>new Japan. And they already can't keep their hands on

741
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.519
<v Speaker 2>a guy. This ain't even like some sort of international criminal.

742
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.559
<v Speaker 3>They don't know what he is. But he just was

743
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.400
<v Speaker 3>able to give them the slip. It's a little embarrassing.

744
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.199
<v Speaker 2>I could imagine a world where they covered it up

745
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.519
<v Speaker 2>just to be like, well, if we get some dude

746
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 2>out there doing some criminal activity, we'll know this is him,

747
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 2>but other than that, we're going to keep this under

748
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:50.519
<v Speaker 2>wraps for now.

749
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 3>And he never turned back up, so it just kind

750
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.199
<v Speaker 3>of stayed under wraps, like they didn't know.

751
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 1>They didn't want anybody to know that they were that incompetent.

752
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I could see that as a possibility.

753
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

754
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

755
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.559
<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing. It doesn't even matter if it's true.

756
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 1>The story feels real in the way that great the

757
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 1>great myths do it. It's got all the elements that

758
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I love, mystery, bureaucracy, frustration, and then vanishing. It speaks

759
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:20.119
<v Speaker 1>to the idea that reality might not be as fixed

760
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.480
<v Speaker 1>as we think. One hundred percent agree on that part

761
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>that someone could show up in your city tomorrow claiming

762
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 1>to be from a place that you've never heard of,

763
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and genuinely believe it that your entire understanding of the

764
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:33.480
<v Speaker 1>world could be challenged by one quiet person with a

765
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 1>wrong looking passport. It's unsettling, and I like unsettling. I

766
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.159
<v Speaker 1>also like to believe that there are still mysteries left

767
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>in the world that Google can't explain in point four seconds.

768
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Makes my life feel more spicy and exciting. Big facts, But.

769
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Now, is there any proof to this though hard, factual

770
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>evidence that we could look at right now?

771
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.079
<v Speaker 1>The short answer is not really. There are no verifiable documents,

772
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>no scan pass, no official statement from Japanese authorities. Every

773
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.159
<v Speaker 1>version of the story is a retelling from books like

774
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.599
<v Speaker 1>the Directory of Possibilities that was written in eighty one

775
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>or the Little Giant Encyclopedia of Unexplained Facts. Interesting. Even

776
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Snopes doesn't touch it, probably because there's nothing concrete to debunk,

777
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.559
<v Speaker 1>so we're left with folklore in Internet archaeology, I get

778
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:26.119
<v Speaker 1>why this story triggers curiosity and a little paranoia. It's

779
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:29.599
<v Speaker 1>a perfect thought experiment. What if someone slipped into our

780
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.800
<v Speaker 1>world with no way back. What if they're reading this

781
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>right now trying to figure out how to return, or

782
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 1>maybe they did return and they're telling your story over there. Ooh,

783
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 1>I like that. Why about the girl from Philadelphia who

784
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 1>swears her flower used to be different? It remembers a

785
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:52.239
<v Speaker 1>world where tomatoes tasted like something. Dude, whoever wrote this

786
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>article definitely smoked a big fat dube, because that's whenever

787
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 1>the creative juice is just get flowing, you know, for

788
00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 1>this last shit?

789
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 3>I like her?

790
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, shout out. We don't always need proof to enjoy

791
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the mystery. Sometimes the best stories are the ones that

792
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 1>leave us with more questions than answers. Big facts, dude.

793
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, So before we go any further, Yes, I know

794
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:18.559
<v Speaker 2>you need more information on this, and I agree, But

795
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:21.760
<v Speaker 2>as of this moment, tell me what your vibe is.

796
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:23.360
<v Speaker 3>Where are you at with everything?

797
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:26.519
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you what I think yet because I

798
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.119
<v Speaker 1>do need more, but I can tell you what I

799
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:29.960
<v Speaker 1>hope is true.

800
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

801
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I hope that he slipped into this reality somehow. And

802
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the only reason I say that is is because and

803
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, maybe I'm crazy for even believing this

804
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:45.719
<v Speaker 1>original story. But you know, I used to soak up

805
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Dolores Cannon's videos and books and all

806
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.719
<v Speaker 1>of her teachings and stuff like that. Right, And she

807
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:56.400
<v Speaker 1>talks about that there was I think, I don't know

808
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>if she got this from somebody that she was giving

809
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.119
<v Speaker 1>a past life regression to, or maybe somebody told her

810
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>this story. But the story goes that there was a

811
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>woman that was getting ready to go to work, but

812
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.320
<v Speaker 1>her friends asked her or no, she was getting ready

813
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.559
<v Speaker 1>to go to a funeral. That's what it was. She

814
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:14.079
<v Speaker 1>was getting ready to go to a funeral. But her

815
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.199
<v Speaker 1>friends asked her if she wanted to go to the

816
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:20.119
<v Speaker 1>like the Kentucky Derby or something like that, right, And

817
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 1>she was like, ah, you know, I really want to go,

818
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.800
<v Speaker 1>but I have to go to this funeral, like it's

819
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 1>somebody important. I can't be missing it or anything. And

820
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:29.599
<v Speaker 1>her friends are like, look, come on, just come hang

821
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:31.800
<v Speaker 1>out for like an hour. We'll get there like halfway through.

822
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Nobody's gonna notice. We'll just slide in the back, no

823
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.639
<v Speaker 1>big deal, right, And because they were planning on attending

824
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.679
<v Speaker 1>the funeral as well, and she decided, you know, she

825
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:42.559
<v Speaker 1>thought about it real hard and she imagined how much

826
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.039
<v Speaker 1>fun it would be to go to to the Kentucky Derby.

827
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.679
<v Speaker 1>But then ultimately she decided, you know what, I'm just

828
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:49.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna go to the funeral. I don't want to risk

829
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 1>it whatever, right, So she ends up going to the funeral,

830
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>and like two hours later, the friends that invited her

831
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>to go over to the Kentucky Derby said, oh my god,

832
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 1>I hit believe it, like, like, what are you thinking

833
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.679
<v Speaker 1>right now? And she's like, what are you talking about?

834
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Like I've been over this funeral this whole time and

835
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:08.679
<v Speaker 1>they're like, no, you were. What are you talking about?

836
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 1>You were just at the fucking Kentucky Derby with me.

837
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 1>You just hit big time. And she's like, I'm telling you,

838
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I've been here this whole entire time.

839
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 3>I did not go.

840
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.480
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, I saw you with the big check,

841
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 1>I saw you with the smile on your face. You

842
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>can't tell me that you were in there. I saw you.

843
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>We talked, we talked about it, and she's like, I

844
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 1>fucking I don't know what to tell you, like I

845
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there, right, And so the moral of the story is,

846
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>could this be a you know, A many world's interpretation

847
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>where because she decided to sit and think about it,

848
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 1>that it created some kind of alternate you know, life

849
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 1>or some or some something of the sort to where

850
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>in one version of that reality she actually did go

851
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to the Kentucky Derby and actually did win all that money,

852
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:58.039
<v Speaker 1>and then the version of reality that she chose to,

853
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.599
<v Speaker 1>which was go to the funeral, she didn't and jack shit.

854
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>So like, I believe that that kind of stuff as possible.

855
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 2>I want to anyway realize when me and you first

856
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:11.920
<v Speaker 2>like started this show together and all the things, and

857
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 2>I've heard you talk about Dolores Cannon a good bit

858
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.880
<v Speaker 2>because that is your QHHT past life progression speaking to

859
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.639
<v Speaker 2>the higher consciousness, these types of things, right, And I

860
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't know much about Dolores Cannon. And I for the record,

861
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:26.719
<v Speaker 2>before I say what I'm about to say, please do

862
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>not anybody listening think that I am throwing shade towards

863
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.760
<v Speaker 2>her or her research or her field of study in

864
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:33.719
<v Speaker 2>the hypno space.

865
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:35.920
<v Speaker 1>She was just a regular person, dude. She wasn't even

866
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>really like anybody super I mean, she wasn't super famous, no.

867
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:43.159
<v Speaker 2>No, But I didn't realize that she had so much

868
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 2>controversy surrounding her, And I don't mean like conspiratorial, like

869
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.679
<v Speaker 2>she was a fraudulent checks and like nothing, nothing crazy

870
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:55.039
<v Speaker 2>like that. But I wanted to ask you this too.

871
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.639
<v Speaker 2>For the haters that are like making these articles blasting

872
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:01.559
<v Speaker 2>her and saying that she's a fake and this, this

873
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 2>and this, how much of that do you think is

874
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.760
<v Speaker 2>just people that are jealous versus how many of that

875
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.079
<v Speaker 2>do you think are people that just don't believe in anything,

876
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:13.119
<v Speaker 2>hypno anything, so anything close to it is just gonna

877
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.239
<v Speaker 2>be hoke them, and they just were ready to shit

878
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 2>on it. I mean, it's a she wasn't like the

879
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.039
<v Speaker 2>most polarizing figure by any means, But the people that

880
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 2>love her love her.

881
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 3>The people that don't fucking don't.

882
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't really understand that, Like why don't you

883
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.039
<v Speaker 1>just choose not to believe? Why do you gotta throw hate?

884
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:33.000
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

885
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Like it's okay to say I don't believe in visiting

886
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.239
<v Speaker 1>a past life. It's okay to say that. But I

887
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 1>do understand because we were kind of talking about about

888
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit before the show. I think whenever

889
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.800
<v Speaker 1>people are too certain of what something is, you know,

890
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>and and they're talking to somebody who isn't very certain,

891
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.280
<v Speaker 1>but they keep an open mind. Sometimes those extremely certain

892
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 1>people just rub people the wrong way, you know what

893
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Like I think that it's just something like that,

894
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:04.199
<v Speaker 1>like people who are it's like beyond confidence, you know

895
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.880
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's like I know, and it's like

896
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.159
<v Speaker 1>you can't possibly know. It's like you gotta leave a

897
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>little bit of wiggle room, you know, like at least

898
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 1>say you're ninety nine point nine percent short. I'd be

899
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.119
<v Speaker 1>okay with that. But when you say you're one hundred

900
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 1>percent sure about something, it tends to rub people the

901
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:21.119
<v Speaker 1>wrong way. But that being said, I don't I never

902
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 1>heard of any controversial thing about her. What I mean,

903
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 1>what are you suggesting?

904
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:25.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

905
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm not suggesting anything. It's from the Internet that I've

906
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 2>looked up. When it comes to Dolores Cannon and just

907
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 2>there are some pages that talk about how she was

908
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.719
<v Speaker 2>a pioneer in her field, and there are those that

909
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>say that she was basically just taking people for a ride.

910
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.400
<v Speaker 2>And but that even the ones that are saying that,

911
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.760
<v Speaker 2>they make it seem like she was making these people

912
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 2>have these crazy hypno sessions because she was suggesting and

913
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 2>steering their whole thing one way or another. But that

914
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>goes against the very principle of it. And I've done

915
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 2>a past life regression with you using her principles in

916
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.199
<v Speaker 2>no way shape or did you steer the conversation in

917
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Speaker 2>any direction.

918
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 1>No, that's something As a matter of fact, that's like

919
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.280
<v Speaker 1>one of the main teaching points is to always be

920
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>aware that you're not steering somebody in a certain direction,

921
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 1>because then what happens is is that then the person

922
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.199
<v Speaker 1>feels like they lost control over what they're seeing because

923
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the practitioner that is hypnotizing them is telling the story

924
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 1>for them, And so you're just gonna throw them out

925
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>of it, you know.

926
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And then wasn't there some beef between her daughter

927
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:28.920
<v Speaker 3>and her best friend?

928
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude, it's a fucking it's a fucked up story.

929
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's where a lot of the internet

930
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 2>hate comes from, is because this person A in person B.

931
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not even saying who started the fire, you

932
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying, But on some real levels, they

933
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 2>started throwing shade at each other. Their collective followings started

934
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 2>digging up dirt and throwing shade in even deeper ways

935
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 2>than in the mix. Dolores just kind of gets her

936
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>name trunced through the mud that she never asked for

937
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.199
<v Speaker 2>nor deserved. I think that's more or less where the

938
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.719
<v Speaker 2>hate comes from, aside from those that just believe anything

939
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>hypno is just a foolishness and whatever you got.

940
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>The the thing is is that I don't believe that

941
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.599
<v Speaker 1>she was full of shit, because all you have to

942
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:14.760
<v Speaker 1>do is just listen to her. She seems like the

943
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 1>sweetest old lady you've ever listened to in your life.

944
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.639
<v Speaker 1>She seems like your fucking grandma, who would like, come in, honey,

945
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.639
<v Speaker 1>let me make you a sandwich, give me your coat,

946
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 1>You got anything dirty you need me to wash?

947
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:24.960
<v Speaker 4>Like that?

948
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like loving grandma. You know what I'm saying.

949
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not inclined to believe that somebody like that is

950
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:36.159
<v Speaker 1>scamming people now to I mean, I absolutely believe that

951
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.960
<v Speaker 1>she believed that people were going to pass lives. Does

952
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 1>that make her a scammer? I don't think so, right,

953
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, But yeah, as far as the whole so yeah,

954
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Whenever Dolores died, her daughter took it over. Her daughter's

955
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.880
<v Speaker 1>name is Julia Cannon. Julia Cannon has a bit of

956
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.280
<v Speaker 1>a track record and a bit of a criminal history.

957
00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>And also even before that, before her mom died, for years,

958
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Dolores was doing this and Julia didn't want any part

959
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.559
<v Speaker 1>of it. She thought that it was stupid, she thought

960
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:08.280
<v Speaker 1>that it was fake, she didn't believe any of it,

961
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.480
<v Speaker 1>YadA YadA, right, and then all of a sudden, in

962
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:12.679
<v Speaker 1>the last few years, I think, over the course of

963
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the last you know, seven or eight years that Dolorus

964
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>was alive, she decided to hop on board. But it

965
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily because she wanted to. It's because she didn't

966
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.679
<v Speaker 1>have any other direction to go because of her criminal history.

967
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>She couldn't get hired back on for what she actually

968
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.679
<v Speaker 1>went to school for. She got canceled, bro And so

969
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.440
<v Speaker 1>she had no other fucking choice but to jump on,

970
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:35.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, her mom's bandwagon at that point. And so

971
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:39.760
<v Speaker 1>whenever Dolorus died, Julia you know, took the reins on it.

972
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 1>And Candace kraw Goldman, who I've had, you know, the

973
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 1>pleasure of speaking to a couple of times on Meta,

974
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 1>she tells the whole story. Like dude, Dolores would not

975
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.119
<v Speaker 1>want it to be run like her daughter is running it,

976
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:58.639
<v Speaker 1>and anybody that's ever listened to Dolores's daughter talk. Not

977
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.440
<v Speaker 1>the same vibe, dude, not the same vibe. Like, I'm

978
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:02.800
<v Speaker 1>not even interested in talking to her.

979
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Like it's gonna say, have you ever had her on

980
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 3>the show?

981
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be interested in it, really, Yeah, because I

982
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.360
<v Speaker 1>appreciate Candace's outlook, which is Dolores's best friend, by the way,

983
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Like who has been there literally for like the last

984
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years of Dolores's life, thirty years something like that,

985
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Like she was actually in the journey with her right, yeah,

986
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 1>and her daughter. I'm sorry, I think she's a fucking

987
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 1>con artist.

988
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:30.559
<v Speaker 3>Damn.

989
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 2>But is she still doing the same past life regression

990
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:36.599
<v Speaker 2>hit and note therapy that Dolores was.

991
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Is she's still like sticking to the to the methods.

992
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>She's running the company. I don't know if she's hypnotizing anybody,

993
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:44.800
<v Speaker 1>but she's running the company.

994
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:46.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, damn.

995
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Which is unfortunately you.

996
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Get a cult member out there that would like to

997
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:50.559
<v Speaker 2>experience one of these past life regressions. Now that you

998
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>are set up in asy, are you going to get

999
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:52.719
<v Speaker 2>back on.

1000
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:53.039
<v Speaker 3>That, bro?

1001
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I am, I am yeah, I mean I would like

1002
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>to probably get settled in for you know, two or

1003
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.800
<v Speaker 1>three weeks, but after that, yes, I am into giving

1004
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.159
<v Speaker 1>a past life aggression. And I will say, look, I

1005
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:06.280
<v Speaker 1>mean people that you know are not even inclined to

1006
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>believe in it, but maybe are just a little bit

1007
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:10.719
<v Speaker 1>curious as to what they're going to expect or what

1008
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:14.719
<v Speaker 1>they could experience still have crazy experiences. Jacob is you

1009
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.599
<v Speaker 1>know a prime example of that. Like Jacob was able

1010
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.320
<v Speaker 1>to see like a whole crazy past life very detailed.

1011
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Now was it a past life? Who gives a fuck

1012
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 1>if it actually was or if it wasn't what he

1013
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:29.679
<v Speaker 1>was able to experience. And then the craziest part about

1014
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:33.119
<v Speaker 1>a past life experience is not even the past life.

1015
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 1>It's the questions that you write down and you you

1016
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 1>give to me. And these are the questions that you

1017
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.719
<v Speaker 1>ask your quote unquote your higher self, right, And they

1018
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 1>were fucking spot on, brother, like like the answer like

1019
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.280
<v Speaker 1>you asked the questions, I asked them to you while

1020
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 1>you were hypnotized. I mean, they were so spot on.

1021
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:56.239
<v Speaker 1>I was actually shocked because I was like, hold on,

1022
00:49:56.360 --> 00:50:00.360
<v Speaker 1>this guy doesn't believe in it yet he's speaking whether

1023
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:01.639
<v Speaker 1>you want to call it the higher self or not.

1024
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:06.920
<v Speaker 1>The answers would lead you to believe that it's coming

1025
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.280
<v Speaker 1>from some higher version of your of yourself, which I

1026
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:11.880
<v Speaker 1>guess you can call your higher self, you know what

1027
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean. So anyway, yeah, I'm gonna be opening the backup.

1028
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.599
<v Speaker 1>If anybody's interested in doing that, go to metamistics at

1029
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.920
<v Speaker 1>yahoo dot com. Just created it, so there you go.

1030
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Check it out, dude. And I offer rates lower than

1031
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:27.360
<v Speaker 1>everybody in the market.

1032
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1033
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I shopped around after the fact, dude, yours are like,

1034
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.119
<v Speaker 2>what half the cost of anybody close to you by comparison.

1035
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:35.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1036
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.920
<v Speaker 1>The cheapest that I had found was somebody that was

1037
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.840
<v Speaker 1>offering it for four hundred dollars. I do them for

1038
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:41.559
<v Speaker 1>two hundred bucks.

1039
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Dude.

1040
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Come on now, like literally, I'm I'm I'm cutting the market. Yeah,

1041
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>and that's like because I generally because I genuinely, like,

1042
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:55.079
<v Speaker 1>genuinely like doing them, you know. So anyway, let's get

1043
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 1>back to it.

1044
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for any of the occult members, I can tell

1045
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>you as a former skeptic, but now I'm not gonna

1046
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.480
<v Speaker 2>say I'm a believer of all of the things that

1047
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:05.599
<v Speaker 2>are involved with it. But if for nothing else, just

1048
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.000
<v Speaker 2>for the fun and the ride of it, it is

1049
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:10.480
<v Speaker 2>worth your time. It's worth a two hundred faux show.

1050
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Think about living a movie that you're in the movie

1051
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 2>like you're in it. You're not just like in a

1052
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.079
<v Speaker 2>movie they're watching it. No, no, you're in it. You're

1053
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 2>actually in the scenes. Yeah, the smells, the sounds, the tastes,

1054
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 2>all the shit. It was really fucking cool.

1055
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and I've and I've heard people say, well,

1056
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.719
<v Speaker 1>that couldn't be your past life. And then some people

1057
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 1>will say, well, what if you know that's you just

1058
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.119
<v Speaker 1>tapped into a story that's part of like the fucking

1059
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.159
<v Speaker 1>the Ether or a part of the Akashic records, that

1060
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe it wasn't even your story, but you just tapped

1061
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.159
<v Speaker 1>into the energy of that. And because some people will say,

1062
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 1>especially me, I'm coming into I'm actually about to do

1063
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.840
<v Speaker 1>a show here real soon on meta and it's going

1064
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:54.679
<v Speaker 1>to be looking into panpsychism, which is very closely related

1065
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.440
<v Speaker 1>to uh pantheism, right, except for instead of all being

1066
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:05.239
<v Speaker 1>divine and all is like the mind, which I love.

1067
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that kind of shit. And so if all

1068
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 1>is the mind, that all you know that there's just

1069
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:13.440
<v Speaker 1>one giant mind and all we're doing is just looking

1070
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.920
<v Speaker 1>through each individual windows. And we think that it's us,

1071
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.039
<v Speaker 1>but it's not really us. It's just the temporary version

1072
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.199
<v Speaker 1>of us that is looking through this window. But whenever

1073
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:22.920
<v Speaker 1>we're not this, whenever we're not looking through this window anymore,

1074
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 1>we go back to the all Some would say, maybe hey,

1075
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you go back to heaven. Maybe it's the same thing,

1076
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.400
<v Speaker 1>just different language. Whatever the case may be. Dude, I'm

1077
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 1>here for that shit all day.

1078
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I love it all right, right, So, end of side

1079
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>tangent about the past lives and things, but also because

1080
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.920
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about a possible parallel universe jump slash, time

1081
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.039
<v Speaker 2>traveler slash who knows what I felt like? Yeah, we

1082
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.440
<v Speaker 2>could take a little time for that tangent. Anyway, back

1083
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 2>to it. The man from tor it I got a

1084
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 2>quick clip. We're gonna play here, only about three minutes

1085
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.320
<v Speaker 2>of it as a matter of fact, and again they're

1086
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:55.199
<v Speaker 2>gonna retell the story a little bit and then dive

1087
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.760
<v Speaker 2>into some of the theories about it in the end.

1088
00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:58.599
<v Speaker 3>So let's get into it.

1089
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.639
<v Speaker 5>I've talked about topics regarding parallel universes before in this

1090
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.679
<v Speaker 5>channel that mainly revolved around the idea of the Mandela effect,

1091
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.079
<v Speaker 5>but there had been some unleegedly true stories that have

1092
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.079
<v Speaker 5>risen about people who have traveled from their universe into

1093
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:13.599
<v Speaker 5>this One. One of these stories is the man from

1094
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.960
<v Speaker 5>Tarred in nineteen fifty four, a man in a business

1095
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:20.400
<v Speaker 5>suit or after the Tokyo International Airport. His first language

1096
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:23.519
<v Speaker 5>was French, but he could also speak fluent Japanese. He

1097
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 5>handed over his passport to be stamped, but soon after

1098
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:28.159
<v Speaker 5>taken away to be asked about where he was from.

1099
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.199
<v Speaker 5>The passport looked like it was real that was issued

1100
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.280
<v Speaker 5>by a country called Tarred, which doesn't exist. Confused, the

1101
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.480
<v Speaker 5>airport employees told the man to point out his country

1102
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:40.400
<v Speaker 5>on a map, and he put into the principality of Endorra,

1103
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.760
<v Speaker 5>located between the borders of France and Spain. The men

1104
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.480
<v Speaker 5>claimed that Tarred existed for over a thousand years and

1105
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.320
<v Speaker 5>he had never heard of a country called Andorra. He

1106
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:51.239
<v Speaker 5>said he was in Japan on business, which he had

1107
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:54.360
<v Speaker 5>done several times before. What was really strange about this

1108
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.039
<v Speaker 5>or that his passport was covered in visa stamps, which

1109
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.239
<v Speaker 5>had confirmed that he had made earlier trips to Japan

1110
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:03.159
<v Speaker 5>and Are countries using this passport. In addition, he had

1111
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:06.039
<v Speaker 5>legal Euros with him. He even showed the airport employees

1112
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.679
<v Speaker 5>a driver's license and a checkbook that are both issued

1113
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.000
<v Speaker 5>to him by Tarred. The airport employees were really confused

1114
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:13.840
<v Speaker 5>at this point, so they decided to keep him in

1115
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:15.519
<v Speaker 5>a hotel until they could figure out what to do.

1116
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:18.159
<v Speaker 5>The exit to the hotel room was guarded by two

1117
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:21.960
<v Speaker 5>immigration officers until the next morning. The next day, the man,

1118
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.280
<v Speaker 5>along with everything he had, somehow completely disappeared from the

1119
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.480
<v Speaker 5>hotel room. This was really puzzling because the door was

1120
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:31.159
<v Speaker 5>guarded by the officers and the only other exit was

1121
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.480
<v Speaker 5>a window those fifteen stories above a busy street. The

1122
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 5>police department launched a search for the man, but he

1123
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 5>was never found. So the idea that the man came

1124
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:43.400
<v Speaker 5>from another universe where the country Tarred existed, but somehow

1125
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:46.639
<v Speaker 5>overnight ended up returning back to his home universe. The

1126
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:49.519
<v Speaker 5>story itself sounds pretty bizarre, but the only issue with

1127
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 5>it is that there is absolutely no proof that any

1128
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.639
<v Speaker 5>of this actually happened. To this day, there are still

1129
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.280
<v Speaker 5>no official documents that can verify any of the story.

1130
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.159
<v Speaker 5>The story is really only mentioned in the books The

1131
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 5>Directory of Possibilities and Strange but True, Mysterious and Bizarre People.

1132
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Because of lack of evidence.

1133
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:08.559
<v Speaker 5>This story has really been regarded by most as more

1134
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.679
<v Speaker 5>of just an urban legend rather than a factual account. Still,

1135
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.519
<v Speaker 5>some people have speculated the possibilities of why and why

1136
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:18.199
<v Speaker 5>not the story could be real. Some argue the reason

1137
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.199
<v Speaker 5>no documentation does this exist is because an airport official

1138
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 5>would not end a report by saying someone completely disappeared

1139
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:26.480
<v Speaker 5>along with any other trace of their existence, because of

1140
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:29.199
<v Speaker 5>how ridiculous that would sound. I personally don't think that's

1141
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.079
<v Speaker 5>a very sound argument. On the contrary, some people say

1142
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:33.920
<v Speaker 5>one of the flaws of the story that the airport

1143
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:37.440
<v Speaker 5>employees became immediately suspicious of the country named Tarred, which

1144
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 5>is odd because it seems like they would have just

1145
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:41.119
<v Speaker 5>assumed there was a country they haven't heard of before,

1146
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:44.000
<v Speaker 5>since no one really knows every single country on Earth.

1147
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 5>But I don't think that was a flaw in the

1148
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.800
<v Speaker 5>story exactly. I think for an airport employee whose job

1149
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.079
<v Speaker 5>is to deal with this kind of stuff on a

1150
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.360
<v Speaker 5>regular basis, it'd probably be very much familiar with many

1151
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:56.360
<v Speaker 5>more countries, so hearing a country as peculiar as Tarred

1152
00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 5>would definitely be a viable reason for them to become suspicious.

1153
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:01.840
<v Speaker 5>And then there are even some people who put out

1154
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:05.159
<v Speaker 5>really outlandis speculations such as the man of thestorraping a

1155
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 5>government spy or something.

1156
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:08.559
<v Speaker 3>So I want to put a.

1157
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Pin in that one as well. That's a really outlandish

1158
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.599
<v Speaker 2>story according to the YouTuber here. But we will get

1159
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:18.000
<v Speaker 2>to all of this in due time. So again, kind

1160
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:20.360
<v Speaker 2>of a retelling of it. But again, you heard the story,

1161
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:23.079
<v Speaker 2>you heard the pieces of it all falling together. Now

1162
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.800
<v Speaker 2>let's read this article from all That's Interesting dot com

1163
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.840
<v Speaker 2>inside the legend of the mysterious Tard Man and why

1164
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:33.480
<v Speaker 2>some believe he came from a parallel universe.

1165
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:38.119
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty four, a man allegedly arrived at Henita

1166
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Airport in Tokyo with a passport from Torred, a country

1167
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.679
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't exist. Was he a traveler from another dimension

1168
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.079
<v Speaker 1>or just a small time fraudster trying to sneak into

1169
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:48.559
<v Speaker 1>the country On a hot summer day in July nineteen

1170
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.039
<v Speaker 1>fifty four, a man arrived at Henita Airport in Tokyo.

1171
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:53.239
<v Speaker 1>For all intents and purposes, he was on.

1172
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 3>You know Matterfig're going to skip ahead on that.

1173
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 2>We've already read that one, although I should mention this

1174
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.840
<v Speaker 2>is a picture from the passport, but it's an older picture.

1175
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.559
<v Speaker 2>As they keep saying that there's no hardened evidence, there

1176
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.400
<v Speaker 2>is a few things that have come up. As a

1177
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.239
<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, this is a newspaper clipping featuring a

1178
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:14.920
<v Speaker 2>guy named John Allen Zegris, aka the tard Man. But

1179
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:17.360
<v Speaker 2>we are going to get to that guy and this

1180
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:20.559
<v Speaker 2>story in depth on the back end a little bit later,

1181
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:23.039
<v Speaker 2>So let's continue here just out of curiosity.

1182
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:26.079
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts on this? So, if somebody was

1183
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.480
<v Speaker 1>to come here from another dimension, would they technically be

1184
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:30.199
<v Speaker 1>an alien?

1185
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:33.079
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

1186
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, like what if they're a human they speak English?

1187
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like I'm not trying to play the word game here,

1188
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 2>but like, technically speaking, we have an illegal alien problem

1189
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:44.519
<v Speaker 2>in this country right now?

1190
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:46.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

1191
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you mean yeah, But like by the definition of uh,

1192
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess no, because even if we're talking about the

1193
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote little green men, or like a living being

1194
00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:59.519
<v Speaker 2>from another planet, another galaxy, whatever the case, I wouldn't

1195
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:04.039
<v Speaker 2>call some human being from another universe, another parallel universe

1196
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.719
<v Speaker 2>if you will, that accidentally time warped over here. I

1197
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 2>don't believe that we would call them an alien so

1198
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:12.840
<v Speaker 2>to speak. I think we would have to come up

1199
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:13.760
<v Speaker 2>with a new term for him.

1200
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.719
<v Speaker 1>What if they're from a thousand years in the future,

1201
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:21.239
<v Speaker 1>but time traveler, but there are a thousand year they're

1202
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.159
<v Speaker 1>from a thousand years in the future, from another dimension,

1203
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 1>and then they step into ours.

1204
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I would then call him a time traveler at that point,

1205
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:34.159
<v Speaker 2>because it's almost like, all right, think of a back

1206
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.639
<v Speaker 2>to the future. Right back to the future too, whenever

1207
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Doc said, we have this timeline and then this was

1208
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.039
<v Speaker 2>the day that we did this, so we started a

1209
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:44.159
<v Speaker 2>whole other timeline. But it's still humans, it's still Earth,

1210
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.599
<v Speaker 2>it's still the town, it's still all this. So at

1211
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 2>that point, it's just a time traveler. And he was

1212
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.079
<v Speaker 2>from a different timeline, i e. A parallel universe, but

1213
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.039
<v Speaker 2>it's still our reality, just a different version of it.

1214
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:57.760
<v Speaker 1>God, I need to get back on back to the future.

1215
00:58:57.800 --> 00:58:59.559
<v Speaker 1>It's been a hot minute since I watched those movies.

1216
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Classes indeed, I am, I like, I will have.

1217
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:04.000
<v Speaker 1>A dolore in one day.

1218
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Dude, do you know how hard they are getting to find?

1219
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure.

1220
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:10.440
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1221
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:14.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh God, fuck that.

1222
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh I mean, if I'm having one, it's just to

1223
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:18.559
<v Speaker 2>look at in the garage and laugh at dude, the

1224
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Gremlins were a It's like saying a hugo like, I'm okay,

1225
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't need that problem in my life. I like

1226
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:28.440
<v Speaker 2>having my mental sanity and not having to fuck with

1227
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:30.360
<v Speaker 2>it at least twice a week just to keep a

1228
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:31.000
<v Speaker 2>bage running.

1229
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:34.559
<v Speaker 1>What was that a Plymouth or Dodge or what was that?

1230
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:37.679
<v Speaker 3>Shit? Who made the Hugo?

1231
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:38.880
<v Speaker 1>No, the Gremlin?

1232
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:40.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh, the Gremlin.

1233
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to say it was like I want

1234
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:43.159
<v Speaker 1>to say it was.

1235
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:45.960
<v Speaker 3>I think it was GM. So it might have been

1236
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 3>a Dodge. God, you got me thinking now, Oh not

1237
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 3>the movie.

1238
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, the Gremlin was made by the American Motors

1239
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Corporate AMC. It was introduced, okay AMC. Oh, that's like

1240
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:07.880
<v Speaker 1>the holy shit, that's crazy. That's just like the DeLorean

1241
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:08.800
<v Speaker 1>was an AMC.

1242
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1243
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:12.679
<v Speaker 1>Wow, what a coincidence. We just bring that both of

1244
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:13.400
<v Speaker 1>those up like that.

1245
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.599
<v Speaker 3>It is crazy and also it's kind of it's sad.

1246
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Dude, the dude who created the DeLorean, he believed in

1247
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.239
<v Speaker 2>his thing so hard that he was willing to get

1248
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.320
<v Speaker 2>into the drug cartel game to front load the capital

1249
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:27.239
<v Speaker 2>needed to keep his car company running.

1250
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:33.119
<v Speaker 3>Old DeLorean rip anyway, Yeah, such a good one. Dude.

1251
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sorry, I'm tripping. The Doloorian was a DMC,

1252
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:37.960
<v Speaker 1>not AMC.

1253
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought Delarean Motor Company was its own thing,

1254
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.960
<v Speaker 2>because I know he to my knowledge, he only came

1255
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:48.559
<v Speaker 2>out with the one model, and whenever it didn't immediately

1256
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.159
<v Speaker 2>sell like hotcakes and shit, he ended up turning to

1257
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:57.360
<v Speaker 2>running drugs to keep the lights on for his business

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01:00:57.400 --> 01:00:59.239
<v Speaker 2>and then got caught up. So not only did his

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01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:01.360
<v Speaker 2>company go down, but he went down that way too.

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01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:02.559
<v Speaker 3>It was a mess.

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01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Stop sharing the screen for a second. Let me just

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<v Speaker 1>show this creature, dude.

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01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, what creature. I'm afraid of what you're about

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<v Speaker 3>to show?

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01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Man a kremlin, dude. Yeah, what a beautiful specimen. It's

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01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:24.320
<v Speaker 1>it looks one of the most specimens has ever been. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm see. I'm personally I'm a huge hashbag fan.

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01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:31.519
<v Speaker 3>So I with a hatchbag. That's a coop hatchbag. Dog.

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01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:35.360
<v Speaker 1>It's a hatchback, though, isn't it. Yeah? Look well kind

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01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.159
<v Speaker 1>of No, the whole back doesn't open up, just the

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01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.960
<v Speaker 1>back window. I mean by definition, but I mean that

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01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:43.199
<v Speaker 1>bitch is a two seater, Ain't it looks like it? Yeah,

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01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a two seater hatchbag. No, they're seating their seats

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01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:49.519
<v Speaker 1>in the back, is there? Yeah, huh.

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01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't even think I've ever seen one like in

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01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.760
<v Speaker 2>the wild, like in real life, because these things they

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01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:55.960
<v Speaker 2>were they were known for exploding.

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01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Look how fucking gangster that car looks.

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01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Though I love it, I've never seen a gremlin or

1280
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:06.519
<v Speaker 2>a picture there of and been like, damn that car

1281
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:07.480
<v Speaker 2>fucks dude.

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01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:09.679
<v Speaker 1>The only reason I say that my my my dad

1283
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:11.039
<v Speaker 1>was just telling me a story. We were on this

1284
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.000
<v Speaker 1>long road trip. I just as of today, just moved

1285
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.679
<v Speaker 1>to Arizona from Texas. Right, So, me and my dad

1286
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.199
<v Speaker 1>road tripped out to Arizona and he was telling me

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01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 1>about the time that you know, my aunt, his sister

1288
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.360
<v Speaker 1>used to have a gremlin. I was like, the fuck

1289
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.079
<v Speaker 1>does a gremlin even look like? And I'm looking at

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01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:32.000
<v Speaker 1>it and I'm like, well, what a fucking sex piece, right.

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01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Looks at a Hugo.

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01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:35.840
<v Speaker 2>That's another one that you knowing that you get down

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01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:37.519
<v Speaker 2>with this, you'll probably get down with a Hugo.

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01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.199
<v Speaker 3>You'll probably go down a pacer. Uh.

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01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure it's a Hugo. Not Hugo.

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe from Pennsylvania where the age is more of

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<v Speaker 2>a suggestion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is a Hugo with a y Oh. Man,

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01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I tells you how much I know, dude. The you

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01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:57.679
<v Speaker 1>go fucking dude, the you go fox too.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you would say that, Oh look up a pacer, Dude,

1302
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you're probably gonna think that bitch fucks too.

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01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Look at this one.

1304
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:06.400
<v Speaker 3>This is the new they're bringing it back.

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01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Let's go, dude, shut up.

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01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow an ev you go.

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01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:13.519
<v Speaker 1>I hope that's real.

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01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:16.519
<v Speaker 2>I honestly I feel horrible because I honestly thought it

1309
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:19.039
<v Speaker 2>was pronounced hugo and just these people were being funny

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01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:20.480
<v Speaker 2>calling it a Yugo this whole time.

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01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:21.599
<v Speaker 3>I had no idea.

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01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh look there's that. There's another AMC. There's a Pace,

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01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the AMC Pacer. So the Pacer and the Gremlin made

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01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:29.760
<v Speaker 1>by the same company.

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01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:31.039
<v Speaker 3>They look like it.

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01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Almost looks like a herst a little bit. Look at

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01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.360
<v Speaker 1>that fucking back window, dude, that is badass.

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01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Jonathan, you you should have been born

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01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:43.400
<v Speaker 2>and like been in your twenties in the eighties.

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01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Dude, my god, dude, look at this fucking thing. It's

1321
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:51.039
<v Speaker 1>almost like so dinky. It's like what a Porsche aspires

1322
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:51.280
<v Speaker 1>to be.

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01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Dude, Oh my god.

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01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:55.599
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm just saying the Porsche wants to be a

1325
01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.760
<v Speaker 1>pacer when it grows up. I'm saying, dude, then you

1326
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:02.519
<v Speaker 1>throw a little flamage on the sign. Oh mind, yeah,

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01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, save some pussy for the rest of us

1328
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:11.639
<v Speaker 1>after that. I'm just saying, like, it looks really cool.

1329
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't see interesting cars like this on the

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01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:14.639
<v Speaker 1>road anymore.

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01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:17.679
<v Speaker 3>There's a reason. How sick that is?

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01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, am I strange for thinking that's cool?

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01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:24.360
<v Speaker 4>No?

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01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:28.079
<v Speaker 2>No, it's There's two types of people in this world, right,

1335
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:30.679
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not saying that one's wrong or not like that.

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01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I usually make that kind of a joke, but no, dude,

1337
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.199
<v Speaker 2>it's like, for instance, you think that the Fox Body

1338
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:37.559
<v Speaker 2>must things are like their sickest models. I think those

1339
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:40.360
<v Speaker 2>are their worst models. Oh, there's two types of people

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01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:40.800
<v Speaker 2>in this world.

1341
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 1>That Fox body Mustang Fox Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

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01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:48.159
<v Speaker 2>I think those are ridiculous looking. But dude, you know what,

1343
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:50.639
<v Speaker 2>that's what you need. You know, I was looking at

1344
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:54.239
<v Speaker 2>get in a new the new VW microbus. You know

1345
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:56.280
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, the new ones that just came out.

1346
01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Those things are sick. You need to get you a

1347
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:04.079
<v Speaker 2>fuck solid ass pacer with that fat back glass going on.

1348
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:06.679
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying that like to be shitty, like

1349
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:09.679
<v Speaker 2>actually thinking that you would dig that you should.

1350
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Go for it, oh dude. Like currently right now, I

1351
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.400
<v Speaker 1>have a twenty twenty two charger, right, nothing crazy, it's

1352
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:19.119
<v Speaker 1>a V six. But even driving that, I I almost

1353
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.920
<v Speaker 1>have damn near wet dreams of my old car that

1354
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:25.239
<v Speaker 1>was a Nissan Versa hatchback. Like that was my favorite

1355
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:27.440
<v Speaker 1>car of all time. And I even named it, and

1356
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:30.119
<v Speaker 1>everybody knows what card it's. The toaster is what I

1357
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:31.960
<v Speaker 1>call it, because it literally looked like a metal toaster

1358
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:34.360
<v Speaker 1>that you toast bread, you know what I mean. But

1359
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.880
<v Speaker 1>manned that car. It fucked And dude, it was a

1360
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:41.199
<v Speaker 1>little four cylinder you got like six hundred miles to

1361
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a full tank. It was crazy. We should go ahead

1362
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:44.599
<v Speaker 1>and get this out of the way.

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01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Now, every car that we have been talking about, aside

1364
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:48.679
<v Speaker 2>from the DeLorean, is a known Lemon.

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01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Just so you know, I'm sure you caught up a

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01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:55.119
<v Speaker 1>little bit of course.

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01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those cars we were just looking at are the

1368
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.519
<v Speaker 2>bad guys from that the Lemons. They are trying to

1369
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.880
<v Speaker 2>like take out blight and McQueen and Materer and all

1370
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:05.679
<v Speaker 2>those you go, Pacer a Grimlin. These are like the

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01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:08.559
<v Speaker 2>Hinchman for the bad guys in that movie. These car

1372
01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:11.599
<v Speaker 2>are known to be horrible built cars.

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01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Horribly built, I.

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01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.079
<v Speaker 1>Should say, And you say bad guys, I say misunderstood.

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01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:15.559
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1376
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Now, that being said, if you were to take the

1377
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:22.800
<v Speaker 2>body of that car and do some sort of engine

1378
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:25.280
<v Speaker 2>swap to something that's more reliable, you might have something

1379
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:27.880
<v Speaker 2>to fuck with on your hands. But yeah, god, I

1380
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:29.679
<v Speaker 2>did not think we were going to take that side tangent,

1381
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:31.039
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not mad that we did.

1382
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:32.440
<v Speaker 3>So, like here we are.

1383
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, hey, we just have different flavor.

1384
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:38.079
<v Speaker 3>That's all, all right, So let's get back back to

1385
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:40.119
<v Speaker 3>the article. Let's go all right.

1386
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.039
<v Speaker 1>So, to some the story of the Torrid Man as

1387
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:46.920
<v Speaker 1>he became known, serves as evidence that there are indeed

1388
01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:50.039
<v Speaker 1>universes parallel to our own, as the man himself may

1389
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:54.320
<v Speaker 1>have accidentally slipped into our dimension, one where Torrid never existed.

1390
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:57.599
<v Speaker 1>Others have suggested the entire story is nothing more than fiction.

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01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:00.000
<v Speaker 1>The truth, however, lies somewhere in the middle.

1392
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:01.760
<v Speaker 3>As it typically does.

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01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Now, this is a picture of Andorra right the spot

1394
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:08.360
<v Speaker 2>he pointed to on the map. It's right there in

1395
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.639
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the Pyrenees Mountains is the mountain range

1396
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:12.440
<v Speaker 2>that separates Spain from France.

1397
01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:13.599
<v Speaker 3>Cool and he.

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01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Pointed to this one small section. And Andorra is a

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01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:19.000
<v Speaker 2>spot that has been around since the twelve hundreds. Like

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01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:21.559
<v Speaker 2>it's a very old place. It's I don't want to

1401
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:24.480
<v Speaker 2>say it's like a micronation, but it's basically its own

1402
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:29.519
<v Speaker 2>autonomous region, even though they acknowledged the Prime Minister as

1403
01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:31.519
<v Speaker 2>France to be their figureheads.

1404
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:32.719
<v Speaker 4>So like it.

1405
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:35.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, when Europe got sliced up after World War

1406
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:38.519
<v Speaker 2>One and then again subsequently after World War Two, maps

1407
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:42.280
<v Speaker 2>got drawn crazy. Different little principalities were vying for their

1408
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:46.320
<v Speaker 2>own autonomy. Some got enveloped into bigger countries, some through

1409
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.079
<v Speaker 2>some you know, treaty, this treaty that next thing. You know,

1410
01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:51.480
<v Speaker 2>they kind of are their own thing, but not exactly

1411
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:54.320
<v Speaker 2>what kind of You'll have that from time to time. Right,

1412
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:57.320
<v Speaker 2>So this is Andorra. Now let's talk more about this

1413
01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:59.039
<v Speaker 2>parallel universe situation.

1414
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:01.719
<v Speaker 1>There are several components to the story of the Man

1415
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.360
<v Speaker 1>from Torrid that have led some curious minded people over

1416
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:07.159
<v Speaker 1>the years to the conclusion that he hailed from another dimension.

1417
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.800
<v Speaker 1>The first is the country of tord itself. When presented

1418
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:12.480
<v Speaker 1>with a map and asked to point out the country,

1419
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:15.679
<v Speaker 1>the man is said to have pointed to Andorra, between

1420
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Span and France. As he quickly became angry and confused.

1421
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Why was his home country of Tourd not listed on

1422
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:23.279
<v Speaker 1>this map? This is where it should be and where

1423
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:25.880
<v Speaker 1>it had been for over a thousand years. The man

1424
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:28.760
<v Speaker 1>is also said to have had currency from several European

1425
01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:32.520
<v Speaker 1>countries on his person and stamps from numerous airports around

1426
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the globe or flat earth. He had even visited Tokyo

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01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.119
<v Speaker 1>on several previous occasions, yet the company he claimed to

1428
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:41.760
<v Speaker 1>work for had never heard of him, nor had the

1429
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:45.199
<v Speaker 1>hotel he allegedly had a reservation at, or the company

1430
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:47.279
<v Speaker 1>officials in Tokyo he was supposed to be meeting with.

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01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Despite this, the man supposedly had various documents that supported

1432
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:54.119
<v Speaker 1>this story. Then, of course, was the man's disappearance from

1433
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:56.680
<v Speaker 1>his hotel room. The room was several floors up and

1434
01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:59.760
<v Speaker 1>lacked a balcony. The police reportedly even determined that the

1435
01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:02.079
<v Speaker 1>man could not have escaped via the windows, and the

1436
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:05.720
<v Speaker 1>guards never saw the man leave. In combination, these circumstances

1437
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:07.760
<v Speaker 1>have led many to the conclusion that the man had

1438
01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:10.960
<v Speaker 1>accidentally crossed into our dimension from a parallel one, and

1439
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:14.439
<v Speaker 1>this parallel universe, they say toward, really did exist, and

1440
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.119
<v Speaker 1>the man was telling the truth. His disappearance is often

1441
01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:20.119
<v Speaker 1>attributed to him sliding back into his own universe, again,

1442
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:24.399
<v Speaker 1>seemingly without any intention or explanation. It's an incredibly interesting story,

1443
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:28.079
<v Speaker 1>unbelievably so, some might argue, fair.

1444
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Enough, Now let's get into this guy, John Allen Zigris.

1445
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:35.359
<v Speaker 2>All right, and as a matter of fact, we could

1446
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:39.399
<v Speaker 2>pull up this Wikipedia page about and now John Zigris here.

1447
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:42.560
<v Speaker 2>So just going off with the overview, here is the

1448
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:46.000
<v Speaker 2>reported name of a man detained in nineteen sixty in

1449
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Japan for alleged document fabrication. He was dubbed the Mysterious

1450
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Man by Japanese news at the time and became the

1451
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.359
<v Speaker 2>prototype for some urban legends.

1452
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:57.720
<v Speaker 3>So here's the incident.

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01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:02.039
<v Speaker 2>In October nineteen fifty nine, a man recorded as John

1454
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Allen kukshar Zigras, thirty six years old, into Japan with

1455
01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:09.000
<v Speaker 2>his Korean wife. Three months later, he was arrested by

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01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.680
<v Speaker 2>the Tokyo Metropolitan Police suspected of identity fraud. He tried

1457
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to cash a two hundred thousand yen check in a

1458
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:19.359
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and forty dollars travelers check at the Japanese

1459
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:23.159
<v Speaker 2>office of Chase Manhattan Bank, and a one hundred thousand

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01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:27.239
<v Speaker 2>dollars yin sorry one hundred thousand yin at the Japanese

1461
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:31.319
<v Speaker 2>office of the Bank of Korea. The case was investigated

1462
01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:33.520
<v Speaker 2>by a guy's name I can't pronounce, let's just call

1463
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.720
<v Speaker 2>him Sassa as his last name, at the Tokyo Metropolitan

1464
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Police Department Public Safety or Public Security Bureau, who would

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<v Speaker 2>later write about Zigris in his memoirs. Although his passport

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01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:48.239
<v Speaker 2>contained the stamps of Japanese embassies in different East European countries,

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01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:52.560
<v Speaker 2>the passport was determined to be counterfeit. Moreoven Moreover, a

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01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:56.279
<v Speaker 2>visa was issued by the Japanese embassy in Taipei. According

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01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:59.199
<v Speaker 2>to the records, Zigris said he was born in the US,

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01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:03.479
<v Speaker 2>moved to the U through Czechoslovakia and Germany, and attended

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01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.119
<v Speaker 2>high school there. During World War Two, he was a

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01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:10.000
<v Speaker 2>pilot of the Royal Air Force and was once captured

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01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.840
<v Speaker 2>by the Germans. After the war, he lived in Latin America. Later,

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01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:16.279
<v Speaker 2>he became a spy for the Americans in South Korea,

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01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:19.239
<v Speaker 2>served as a pilot in Thailand and Vietnam, and after

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01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:22.199
<v Speaker 2>that he worked for the United Arab Republic. He arrived

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01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:25.319
<v Speaker 2>in Japan for a secret mission which included recruiting Japanese

1478
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:30.439
<v Speaker 2>military volunteers for the United Arab Republic. Eventually, after contacting

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01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:33.479
<v Speaker 2>the mentioned countries, it was ruled that the information was

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01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:35.960
<v Speaker 2>not based in any facts and the seals on his

1481
01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:39.800
<v Speaker 2>pseudo passport were proven to be fabricated. Now, on August

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01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.399
<v Speaker 2>tenth of nineteen sixty, the Tokyo District Court reviewed the

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01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:44.600
<v Speaker 2>case and sent in Zigris to one year in prison.

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01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:47.680
<v Speaker 2>After the announcement, he tried to commit suicide by cutting

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01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.880
<v Speaker 2>his veins to the piece of glass secretly brought by

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01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:53.600
<v Speaker 2>him to the court. After his release, Zigris was deported

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01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.880
<v Speaker 2>from Japan to Hong Kong, from where he recorded the

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01:11:57.119 --> 01:11:57.800
<v Speaker 2>entire region.

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01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:03.960
<v Speaker 3>My wife was deported back to South Korea. Now, damn this.

1490
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the guy was kind of crazy with it,

1491
01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Don't get me wrong. But there's a lot more that

1492
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:12.600
<v Speaker 2>goes to this guy than we're just hearing right now.

1493
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:14.159
<v Speaker 2>But we're gonna get to that here.

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01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:14.560
<v Speaker 3>In a bit.

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01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Now, let's read about this dude from the all That's

1496
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:21.920
<v Speaker 2>interesting article. Now, this is a picture of him at

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01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:25.159
<v Speaker 2>this airport. Oh, I'm sorry, that's him, I think, But anyway,

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01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:25.840
<v Speaker 2>let's continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this reminds me of what was the guy that

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01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.359
<v Speaker 1>got away with stealing money from the airplane and then

1501
01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:33.840
<v Speaker 1>jumped and escaped right?

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01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, dB Cooper, dB Cooper. Yeah, so that is another story.

1503
01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.319
<v Speaker 2>But keep in mind this guy actually didn't rob a bank.

1504
01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.800
<v Speaker 2>He didn't you know, fly out anywhere. As a matter

1505
01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:46.800
<v Speaker 2>of fact, you just like slipped detection and was never

1506
01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.960
<v Speaker 2>heard from again. This guy the man from Torrid, so

1507
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:53.479
<v Speaker 2>to speak. But I meant, I'm glad that you brought

1508
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:55.439
<v Speaker 2>up that. You can already kind of see some resemblance

1509
01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:59.319
<v Speaker 2>to another story, because, as it turns out, there is

1510
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:02.560
<v Speaker 2>another story from a guy from this timeframe that got

1511
01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:04.880
<v Speaker 2>so popular, in fact, that a movie was made about

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01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:06.039
<v Speaker 2>him starring Leo DiCaprio.

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01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:08.239
<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk about that one in a minute,

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01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:09.279
<v Speaker 3>but let's continue.

1515
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh was it aviator or aviation or what?

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01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:15.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, not Howard Hughes. Although that guy in

1517
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:16.720
<v Speaker 3>and of himself is enignatic.

1518
01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:18.840
<v Speaker 2>We also I actually was thinking about doing an episode

1519
01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:22.079
<v Speaker 2>on him talking about how they were looking for a

1520
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Russian submarine that got lost that had nukes on it,

1521
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and so Howard Hughes bought a boat and it was

1522
01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:30.880
<v Speaker 2>fitted out with all of these components and shit. But

1523
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.359
<v Speaker 2>then it was also under a shell company and did

1524
01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:35.760
<v Speaker 2>it actually ever happen? And it's wild but no, no, no,

1525
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Howard Hughes a different conversation. We'll get to it, I promise,

1526
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:39.680
<v Speaker 2>let's keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Snows, a real life incident inspired the story

1528
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:46.279
<v Speaker 1>of a Man from Torrid, but it is a greatly

1529
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:49.600
<v Speaker 1>embellished and fantastical version of the far less sensational real

1530
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:52.840
<v Speaker 1>story end quotes. As exciting as the idea of a

1531
01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:55.880
<v Speaker 1>visitor from another dimension can be, the unfortunate reality is

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01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:58.479
<v Speaker 1>that the Torrid man was nothing more than a simple fraudster.

1533
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:01.600
<v Speaker 1>There is a considerable amount of evidence to suggest that

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01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:04.399
<v Speaker 1>the true identity of the man from Toward was John

1535
01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Allan Zegris, who was arrested in Tokyo in nineteen sixty

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01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:10.399
<v Speaker 1>for trying to cash phony checks after using a false

1537
01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:13.560
<v Speaker 1>passport to get into the country. On July twenty ninth,

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01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:16.399
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty, a debate in the British House of Commons

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01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:19.359
<v Speaker 1>referred to the case of John Allen Zegris, who it

1540
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:24.199
<v Speaker 1>was said, described in quotes himself as an intelligence agent

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01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:28.640
<v Speaker 1>for Colonel Nasser and a naturalized Ethiopian. This man, according

1542
01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:31.039
<v Speaker 1>to the evidence was, has traveled all over the world

1543
01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:33.760
<v Speaker 1>with a very impressive looking passport. Indeed, it is written

1544
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:37.960
<v Speaker 1>in a language unknown and has remained unidentified, although it

1545
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:41.600
<v Speaker 1>has been studied for a long time by philologists.

1546
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:44.920
<v Speaker 2>So this is where the plot starts to get a

1547
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:47.319
<v Speaker 2>little thicker. We're going to get more into it, I promise.

1548
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:48.840
<v Speaker 1>But so at least the man existed.

1549
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:52.560
<v Speaker 3>The guy John Alexegris existed, no doubt.

1550
01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:56.039
<v Speaker 2>But the story that he told them about how he

1551
01:14:56.199 --> 01:14:59.279
<v Speaker 2>was born in America, made his way to England, then

1552
01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:00.920
<v Speaker 2>went to the Czech Republic.

1553
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Then did here, then went there.

1554
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Then he was a pilot for the Royal Air Service

1555
01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:07.279
<v Speaker 2>or Royal Air Force, I should say, not the Ris.

1556
01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:09.680
<v Speaker 2>But my point is he was a pilot for the

1557
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.680
<v Speaker 2>British during the war, got shot down, was prisoner from

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01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:13.159
<v Speaker 2>the Germans.

1559
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:17.079
<v Speaker 3>All these things. He was thirty two, and this was

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01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:18.439
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen fifty nine.

1561
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:22.760
<v Speaker 1>People used to accomplish a lot of shit before they

1562
01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:24.439
<v Speaker 1>turned a certain age back in the day.

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01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:27.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, no, no, no, no, dude, I'm saying

1564
01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:29.560
<v Speaker 2>like that would mean that he was a pilot when

1565
01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:33.399
<v Speaker 2>he was what twelve? Oh yeah, Like this is what

1566
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:35.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. The more of his story just kind of

1567
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:38.119
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense. Then we get to this other part.

1568
01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:42.359
<v Speaker 2>He's his first language was French. He was also very

1569
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:45.960
<v Speaker 2>fluent in Japanese. Yes, but he didn't speak English, which

1570
01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.560
<v Speaker 2>he claimed that he was born in America, then made

1571
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:51.520
<v Speaker 2>his way to England and all these things. But according

1572
01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:54.119
<v Speaker 2>to this he told them, and this was talked about

1573
01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:56.720
<v Speaker 2>in the British House of Commons. He was an intelligence

1574
01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:00.600
<v Speaker 2>agent for Colonel Nasser and it naturalized the opia. Now

1575
01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:04.640
<v Speaker 2>for those that may not understand what this might mean, Okay,

1576
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Colonel Nasser was the leader of Egypt at one point

1577
01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:14.119
<v Speaker 2>in time, and Ethiopia and Egypt. Ethiopia had your boy

1578
01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Hussein Salome excuse me, the guy that the Rasafarians believe

1579
01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:24.159
<v Speaker 2>was the second coming of Jesus Christ. Okay, so this

1580
01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:29.600
<v Speaker 2>guy and Naser did not jive. And Ethiopia and Egypt

1581
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:31.960
<v Speaker 2>are really close to each other. So there were some

1582
01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:34.640
<v Speaker 2>spy versus spy games that were going on with these

1583
01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:37.079
<v Speaker 2>countries at this time. And keep in mind, this guy

1584
01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:40.039
<v Speaker 2>claimed that he was a secret agent for the Arab States,

1585
01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:42.279
<v Speaker 2>which you see what I'm saying. It's like he just

1586
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:45.199
<v Speaker 2>hit blender on story time and just to let that

1587
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:48.239
<v Speaker 2>bitch roll out. But he said enough things to where

1588
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:50.840
<v Speaker 2>it kind of made a little bit of sense. If

1589
01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:54.199
<v Speaker 2>this guy was an intelligence agent. Okay, if he was

1590
01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:56.680
<v Speaker 2>a spy, it would make sense that he would have

1591
01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:00.960
<v Speaker 2>forged passports, and if they were forged, well, it would

1592
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:02.800
<v Speaker 2>make sense that you would see so many stamps as

1593
01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:05.199
<v Speaker 2>if he had been to so many countries. He did

1594
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:08.079
<v Speaker 2>have euros on him from or not euros exceym Us

1595
01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:12.119
<v Speaker 2>before the EU, but he had money from multiple European countries.

1596
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:14.840
<v Speaker 2>His passport had already gotten him into and out of

1597
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Japan at one point in time. Apparently this guy came

1598
01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:20.520
<v Speaker 2>with his South Korean wife and all these things. It's like,

1599
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:24.119
<v Speaker 2>there's certain things about this story that don't exactly make sense.

1600
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:28.399
<v Speaker 2>But again, this is a completely unsolved case, and some

1601
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:31.199
<v Speaker 2>say it's all just an urban legend and none of

1602
01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:35.720
<v Speaker 2>it's based in facts, even though John Allen Zegris absolutely existed.

1603
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:38.279
<v Speaker 1>But but also this was way back in the time

1604
01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:42.319
<v Speaker 1>where airport security was like non existent. I mean, oh,

1605
01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:47.159
<v Speaker 1>probably not in airplanes, yeah, probably not even just in Japan,

1606
01:17:47.560 --> 01:17:49.720
<v Speaker 1>like probably all over the damn world, right.

1607
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Everywhere, Dude, you could nobody questioned if you had a

1608
01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:55.720
<v Speaker 2>gun on you or or carried a knife, or if

1609
01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:58.159
<v Speaker 2>you could just smoke on a plane with a babysit

1610
01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:01.560
<v Speaker 2>next to you. Okay, nobody can. This is the nineteen sixties.

1611
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:04.319
<v Speaker 2>But keep in mind also our fifties and sixties. You

1612
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:07.119
<v Speaker 2>wore a suit and tie to go on to a plane,

1613
01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:09.760
<v Speaker 2>like it was a whole affair. You weren't dressing in

1614
01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:12.640
<v Speaker 2>pj's with your neck roll to go on this flight.

1615
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.000
<v Speaker 2>You were dressing like you wanted to impress people to

1616
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:15.920
<v Speaker 2>get on an airplane.

1617
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:16.039
<v Speaker 4>Bro.

1618
01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those airplane pillows are slept on.

1619
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:26.720
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, anyway, let's continue into this story. Like I said,

1620
01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:29.479
<v Speaker 2>it's getting wilder and wilder the more we dive in here, y'all.

1621
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:33.960
<v Speaker 1>The House member continued, describing Zegris's passport as seemingly issued

1622
01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:37.520
<v Speaker 1>in the city of tam and Roset, the capital of

1623
01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the state of Torrid, which Zegris claimed was an independent

1624
01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:43.760
<v Speaker 1>state of roughly two million people south of the Sahara.

1625
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:47.720
<v Speaker 1>The debate aimed to illustrate how easily passports could be

1626
01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:48.880
<v Speaker 1>forged the bank.

1627
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Now, keep in mind he said that Torrid was between

1628
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Spain and France. In Andorra, right, Tamarro set is the

1629
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:04.439
<v Speaker 2>is one one of the cities in Algeria, which, just

1630
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:12.159
<v Speaker 2>so everybody's clear, Algeria speaks French. Oh, but again he's

1631
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:14.399
<v Speaker 2>talking about how it's a country of roughly two million

1632
01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:17.239
<v Speaker 2>people south of the Sahara. After he just got done

1633
01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:20.199
<v Speaker 2>telling the Japanese people that it's between Spain and France,

1634
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:21.960
<v Speaker 2>it gets wilder.

1635
01:19:22.079 --> 01:19:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Let's keep going.

1636
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:27.920
<v Speaker 1>The Vancouver based paper called The Province also reported on

1637
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:31.279
<v Speaker 1>Zegris at the time, writing in quotes, mister Zegris wanted

1638
01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.239
<v Speaker 1>to travel around the world to impress officials. He invented

1639
01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:37.199
<v Speaker 1>a nation, a capital, a people, and a language. All

1640
01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:40.239
<v Speaker 1>these he recorded on a passport which he made himself.

1641
01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:41.079
<v Speaker 1>End quote.

1642
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Now the Province also we have that article. We are

1643
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:46.199
<v Speaker 2>going to pull up here in a minute, but let's continue.

1644
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:48.840
<v Speaker 1>According to the report, Zegris was able to travel all

1645
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:52.479
<v Speaker 1>across the world successfully using his fake passport, particularly across

1646
01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:55.399
<v Speaker 1>regions of the Middle East, When people doubted his documentation,

1647
01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.560
<v Speaker 1>he invited them to read a small proclamation stamp beneath

1648
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:03.359
<v Speaker 1>the national symbol of tour, which read in quotes something

1649
01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:05.319
<v Speaker 1>that is not a real language.

1650
01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:07.880
<v Speaker 2>It's not like for the right we could try to

1651
01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:15.359
<v Speaker 2>read rich ubwei oustra negusi habisi twap tarapa good job.

1652
01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:18.720
<v Speaker 2>It's it's all just made up though this language, it

1653
01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:21.520
<v Speaker 2>was written in a dialect nobody understands, and by some

1654
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:24.159
<v Speaker 2>reports it was even written in in a in pen

1655
01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:26.159
<v Speaker 2>in a way that nobody could understand.

1656
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:30.159
<v Speaker 1>May as well have just been speaking doth raki, you know, basically, yes,

1657
01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:35.319
<v Speaker 1>the saying or this saying means nothing in any language.

1658
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:38.840
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until or Zegris tried to visit Tokyo that

1659
01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:42.439
<v Speaker 1>his passport was finally thoroughly scrutinized and his story didn't

1660
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:45.319
<v Speaker 1>hold up. Japanese officials studied the maps, saw that there

1661
01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:47.760
<v Speaker 1>was no state of Torrid, and began taking steps to

1662
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:52.079
<v Speaker 1>prosecute Zegris. The province paper referred to Zegris as a

1663
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:56.560
<v Speaker 1>quote a martyr to Japanese thoroughness end quote.

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01:20:57.319 --> 01:20:58.439
<v Speaker 3>I guess, I guess.

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01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:01.600
<v Speaker 2>So this is a picture of the Japanese airport in

1666
01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the mid nineteen fifties.

1667
01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Noise. I mean, it's crazy to think that this is

1668
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:07.640
<v Speaker 3>in Tokyo. Dude.

1669
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:10.199
<v Speaker 2>When you think of Tokyo today, you think of like

1670
01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:13.359
<v Speaker 2>all of the lights, the biggest of big city vibes,

1671
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:14.079
<v Speaker 2>all the things.

1672
01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:17.039
<v Speaker 3>This is the little airport in the nineteen fifties.

1673
01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Keep in mind, they just had two nukes dropped on

1674
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:24.000
<v Speaker 2>mainland Japan less than ten years from when this was taken. Now,

1675
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:26.239
<v Speaker 2>not in Tokyo, of course, it was other places, but

1676
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:28.079
<v Speaker 2>like I'm just saying it was. It was just a

1677
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:28.800
<v Speaker 2>different world.

1678
01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was.

1679
01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Reddit user tera Eochi posted several Japanese newspaper articles from

1680
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the summer of nineteen sixty to the winter of nineteen

1681
01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:41.840
<v Speaker 1>sixty one that covered the tord Man case, which offered

1682
01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:44.880
<v Speaker 1>even more insight into the truth behind this legend. According

1683
01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:48.840
<v Speaker 1>to the report, Zegris attempted suicide shortly after being sentenced

1684
01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to one year of imprisonment by the Tokyo District Court

1685
01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:57.039
<v Speaker 1>on charges of illegal entry and fraud. Yep, that'll get you,

1686
01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:01.119
<v Speaker 1>they will. Indeed, when he was informed of his sentencing,

1687
01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:04.239
<v Speaker 1>he reportedly shouted and quotes, I'm going to kill myself

1688
01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:07.800
<v Speaker 1>and slashed his arms with pieces of broken glass bottle

1689
01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:10.960
<v Speaker 1>that he had kept hidden. Zegris had entered Japan using

1690
01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:13.439
<v Speaker 1>his fake passport on October nineteen fifty nine with his

1691
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Korean wife, but while in the country, he struggled to

1692
01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:19.600
<v Speaker 1>pay for his stay. He cashed out roughly two hundred

1693
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:22.039
<v Speaker 1>thousand yen, which is worth about fourteen hundred and six

1694
01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:25.680
<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of counterfeit checks at various Tokyo banks, and

1695
01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>also claimed to be both from the CIA and the

1696
01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:32.319
<v Speaker 1>FBI working in Japan on orders from an Arab related

1697
01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:33.760
<v Speaker 1>organization end quotes.

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01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Also, who screams that and then does it? I'm going

1699
01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>to kill myself like you, You don't announce it. You

1700
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:46.399
<v Speaker 2>just looking for attention at that point. All right, You're

1701
01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:48.000
<v Speaker 2>going to jail for a year, bro, Get over it.

1702
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:52.199
<v Speaker 2>It's a year. One year in a Japanese jail when

1703
01:22:52.239 --> 01:22:55.600
<v Speaker 2>they're on the rebuild vibe like this sit in wartime

1704
01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Imperial Japan, where you've got the dudes that are making

1705
01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:01.760
<v Speaker 2>sure that of all the worst ways to kill someone

1706
01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:03.159
<v Speaker 2>like you're gonna be fine.

1707
01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1708
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:07.680
<v Speaker 1>To be fair, I think that most people that say

1709
01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:10.319
<v Speaker 1>they're going to kill themselves, it is more of an

1710
01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:12.439
<v Speaker 1>attention thing that I believe.

1711
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:15.439
<v Speaker 2>So I don't like to say that though, but yeah,

1712
01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:19.800
<v Speaker 2>it's it's ridiculous that they would do it in this way,

1713
01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:21.359
<v Speaker 2>but whatever.

1714
01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Papers also noted that Zegris's report or passport rather was

1715
01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:29.479
<v Speaker 1>the size of a weekly magazine and was recognizable at

1716
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:32.920
<v Speaker 1>a glance as a fake. Perhaps the most surprising component

1717
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:35.920
<v Speaker 1>of Zegris's story, however, is that he never actually spent

1718
01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:38.880
<v Speaker 1>any time in prison. By the time all was said

1719
01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:41.039
<v Speaker 1>and done, the number of days he had already spent

1720
01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:44.039
<v Speaker 1>in detention outweighed his sentence, and so he was released

1721
01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:47.560
<v Speaker 1>on time served. Ultimately, Zegris said that he would leave

1722
01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Japan to start a new life in a new country.

1723
01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:52.199
<v Speaker 1>No one ever learned where he really came from or

1724
01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>who he really was, and after he left Japan, his

1725
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:57.760
<v Speaker 1>name never appeared in any significant historical way.

1726
01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Now you see what I mean as far as the

1727
01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:04.560
<v Speaker 2>possibility of like air national spy kind of thing goes.

1728
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:07.640
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying FBI, CIA or anything like that,

1729
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:12.680
<v Speaker 2>but if he was from some Arab country, maybe Egypt,

1730
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:15.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe Ethiopia, maybe Saudi Arabia for all we know, we

1731
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:18.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know, right, he was a fair or complexed guy,

1732
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:23.279
<v Speaker 2>but had a beard, and he didn't look he didn't

1733
01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:26.199
<v Speaker 2>look European. He looked European ish, could have been a

1734
01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:28.800
<v Speaker 2>little light all of complexion kind of guy, you know

1735
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:31.520
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? That could mean so many things racially

1736
01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:35.159
<v Speaker 2>ambiguous if you will, right, Yeah, I mean all that

1737
01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:38.399
<v Speaker 2>to say, his passport was the size of a weekly magazine.

1738
01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>But there were appropriate stamps from multiple countries. So apparently

1739
01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:46.359
<v Speaker 2>this giant passport was good enough to pass scrutiny from

1740
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:50.560
<v Speaker 2>all these other countries. Now, granted, the scrutiny of the

1741
01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:54.880
<v Speaker 2>airports in the Arab world in the nineteen fifty probably

1742
01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:59.279
<v Speaker 2>weren't the best on earth, probably not, you know, but

1743
01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:02.279
<v Speaker 2>European countries. Keep in mind a lot of them were

1744
01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:04.720
<v Speaker 2>on the rebuilding vibe after World War Two. A lot

1745
01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:07.159
<v Speaker 2>of them had the ship bombed out of them. Maybe

1746
01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:10.319
<v Speaker 2>their security wasn't the best in the world either. And

1747
01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:13.520
<v Speaker 2>the other thing is he kept saying that he was

1748
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:18.279
<v Speaker 2>working on behalf of the Egyptian government. So when he

1749
01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:21.199
<v Speaker 2>would provide this passport, they didn't just let him through.

1750
01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>They rolled out the fucking red carpet for him. Because

1751
01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:27.199
<v Speaker 2>he was not acting as a foreign dignitary, but essentially

1752
01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:30.720
<v Speaker 2>he was acting on behalf of the president of a

1753
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:33.720
<v Speaker 2>country that everybody could recognize. They was, oh, sure, sure, man,

1754
01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:36.359
<v Speaker 2>whatever you say, let's go. No one ever really stopped

1755
01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:39.279
<v Speaker 2>to read his passport. Then Japan final was like, where

1756
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:42.239
<v Speaker 2>the hell is Torrid? What are you talking about? And

1757
01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that led to everything else.

1758
01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>But well, I feel like, you know, if you think

1759
01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:51.399
<v Speaker 1>about what are they called air marshals and shit? Right, Like,

1760
01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I just recently watched this movie about an air marshal.

1761
01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>It was Liam Neeson. It's actually a pretty horrible movie,

1762
01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:02.079
<v Speaker 1>but Liam Neeson just makes everything better, you know. Indeed,

1763
01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and supposedly the air marshals and the pilots don't have

1764
01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:12.520
<v Speaker 1>to really go through the whole security process. They can

1765
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of just skate by, right, Yeah, And so I

1766
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:19.319
<v Speaker 1>would imagine that if you're already doing that for those

1767
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:24.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of people. I mean, would you make the president

1768
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:26.399
<v Speaker 1>of the United States show his passport if it's an easy,

1769
01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:30.239
<v Speaker 1>easily recognizable face. I mean, you would probably just let

1770
01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:31.760
<v Speaker 1>him slide by, especially in those times.

1771
01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to be fair, when I went to France,

1772
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:36.199
<v Speaker 2>I still do this day, don't have a passport, and

1773
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I've been out of the country. But I was there

1774
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:40.119
<v Speaker 2>for work and I have a military ID, and we

1775
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:42.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't like go through customs. We are carrying weapons, Like,

1776
01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:44.319
<v Speaker 2>we didn't go through customs when we landed at the

1777
01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:47.079
<v Speaker 2>airport in Paris. We afloaded our own shit. So I

1778
01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:50.560
<v Speaker 2>mean it's there's stipulations and there's like loopholes, if you will,

1779
01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:53.439
<v Speaker 2>for when you're on business for that type of business,

1780
01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:57.640
<v Speaker 2>military or government or otherwise. So yeah, but even still,

1781
01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:00.920
<v Speaker 2>this is before they even had air marshals. That didn't

1782
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:03.680
<v Speaker 2>become a thing until like the was it the shoe bomber,

1783
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know when it started, but yeah,

1784
01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:10.560
<v Speaker 2>this is this is well before any of that kind

1785
01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:10.880
<v Speaker 2>of shit.

1786
01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:13.640
<v Speaker 3>So I mean that's the thing. He kind of skated by.

1787
01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:16.760
<v Speaker 2>So many countries just let him through because he said

1788
01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>the right things and he looked the right part, and

1789
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:19.920
<v Speaker 2>they weren't.

1790
01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:20.520
<v Speaker 3>They are not.

1791
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine being the desk worker at some airport

1792
01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:29.680
<v Speaker 2>in just any old country, doesn't matter. In nineteen fifty five,

1793
01:27:29.800 --> 01:27:32.239
<v Speaker 2>this guy's claiming to be a foreign dignitary. He's got

1794
01:27:32.279 --> 01:27:34.479
<v Speaker 2>all this information about some country you've never heard of.

1795
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:37.199
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, you're not the you're not the knowwher

1796
01:27:37.279 --> 01:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>of all things worldwide here, I mean, sure enough, and

1797
01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:42.399
<v Speaker 2>you see that his passport has been stamped from appropriate

1798
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:45.439
<v Speaker 2>parties at all these other places. What are your chances

1799
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>that you're gonna call your boss to be like, hey,

1800
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:49.479
<v Speaker 2>this guy doesn't make sense, or are you gonna pencil

1801
01:27:49.479 --> 01:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>whip it like the last five countries before you did,

1802
01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>just to get him out of your face and move

1803
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>on to the next customer.

1804
01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, and there's probably an instance where somebody

1805
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to look stupid. They see that other people

1806
01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>have already done it, and they're like, well, I don't

1807
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:04.920
<v Speaker 1>want to seem like, you know, I'm the hold up,

1808
01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like, it could be just

1809
01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.199
<v Speaker 1>a situation like that. By the way, you're going to risk.

1810
01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Your job for this guy who's claiming to be somebody

1811
01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:14.199
<v Speaker 2>as a you don't know if it's an ambassador, you

1812
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's a secret agent.

1813
01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Or some sort of security force from another country.

1814
01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:20.199
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna you're willing to risk your job when clearly

1815
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:22.880
<v Speaker 2>eight other countries did their background checks.

1816
01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:25.199
<v Speaker 3>Clearly they know what they're doing. Yeah, it makes sense

1817
01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:25.399
<v Speaker 3>to me.

1818
01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>The Federal Air Marshal Service began March second, nineteen sixty two,

1819
01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:35.319
<v Speaker 1>as part of the FAA Peace Officers Program in response

1820
01:28:35.399 --> 01:28:37.039
<v Speaker 1>to increasing hijackings.

1821
01:28:37.960 --> 01:28:38.920
<v Speaker 3>So this was before that.

1822
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, man, let's see we were ultimatelyast Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1823
01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:51.279
<v Speaker 1>we read that one. So as John Allen Zegris faded

1824
01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>into obscurity, his story did the opposite. It traveled across

1825
01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>the world, transforming from tail to a a tale of

1826
01:28:56.960 --> 01:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>a fraudster traveling across the world into the urban legend

1827
01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of the Man from Torrid, an extra dimensional human existing

1828
01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>in our universe for but a brief moment before disappearing

1829
01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>as if he had never been there at all.

1830
01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Now there's more to it, right, the Japanese security that

1831
01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:19.239
<v Speaker 2>was posted outside of his door and the guy disappeared.

1832
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:22.399
<v Speaker 2>That has a little more basing reality than what people

1833
01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:23.159
<v Speaker 2>really want to give it.

1834
01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:23.720
<v Speaker 3>Credit for him.

1835
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>We're going to get into that as well. But this

1836
01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:28.760
<v Speaker 2>is Andorra, right, and I figure we could show some

1837
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:30.840
<v Speaker 2>pictures of it. It's as n It's kind of a

1838
01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:33.800
<v Speaker 2>vacation destination, dude, the Pyrenees Mountains.

1839
01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:35.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like, got a bunch of ski resorts and shit,

1840
01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:37.000
<v Speaker 3>it's a nice spot.

1841
01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Looks like the Alpine.

1842
01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:43.119
<v Speaker 2>Right now, this is an article clipped from the Canadian

1843
01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:48.279
<v Speaker 2>news called The Province, okay, and this is all about

1844
01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.199
<v Speaker 2>the man from Torrid. And so whenever they say that

1845
01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:53.600
<v Speaker 2>no one else has really ever heard of him, well

1846
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>somebody somewhere did.

1847
01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Let's keep going here, all right, man with his own country.

1848
01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Everyone who has run in to officialdom to his cost

1849
01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:05.720
<v Speaker 1>and wondered at the ridiculous questions asked of Taurus will

1850
01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:11.039
<v Speaker 1>have sympathy for a man sonorously named John Allen Coucher Zegris.

1851
01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Mister Zegris wanted to travel around the world to impress officials.

1852
01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:17.319
<v Speaker 1>He invented a nation, a capital, and a people and

1853
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:22.079
<v Speaker 1>a language, all of these recorded on a passport which

1854
01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:25.399
<v Speaker 1>he made himself. Victims of bureaucracy all over the universe

1855
01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>will be delighted to hear what that He was wonderfully

1856
01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:32.319
<v Speaker 1>received everywhere, well almost everywhere. John claimed to be a

1857
01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>naturalized Ethiopian and an intelligence agent for Colonel Nassar. The

1858
01:30:37.000 --> 01:30:41.119
<v Speaker 1>passport was stamped as issued as tam and Rissette Rasset.

1859
01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:43.279
<v Speaker 3>How do you say that tam and.

1860
01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>The capital of Torrid south of the Sahara any places

1861
01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:53.560
<v Speaker 1>so romantically named ought to exist, but they don't. John Allen,

1862
01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>coucher Zegris invented them. Armed with his Armed with this

1863
01:30:57.880 --> 01:31:03.479
<v Speaker 1>wonderful documents, Zegris traveled royally through the Middle East, accepting

1864
01:31:03.800 --> 01:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>homage as he went, and if there were any doubters,

1865
01:31:07.079 --> 01:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>they were invited to read a kind of proclamation beneath

1866
01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:16.359
<v Speaker 1>the national Towards stamp. It read that which Jacob tried

1867
01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>to read earlier. There was another language that was the clincher,

1868
01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>but didn't mean anything in any language. The gallant gesture

1869
01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>for the individualists unfortunately ended with the Japanese in Tokyo.

1870
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:32.520
<v Speaker 1>They began looking up maps, and John Allen is in

1871
01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:38.399
<v Speaker 1>court a martyr to Japanese thoroughness. Okay, his action takes precedence.

1872
01:31:38.479 --> 01:31:41.199
<v Speaker 1>We think over the American citizen who flew his own

1873
01:31:41.279 --> 01:31:45.119
<v Speaker 1>plane around the world, wearing his own uniform, receiving homage

1874
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>from all and sundry Man. They just talked way different

1875
01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>back in the day. But the more we ponder on

1876
01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:57.159
<v Speaker 1>mister Zegris, the more we wish uh there were really

1877
01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>a capital called Tamarasset and the electable country of towards

1878
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:05.119
<v Speaker 1>south of the Sahara with the language language like the

1879
01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>one Zegris invented. All its citizens would be blessed with

1880
01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:12.159
<v Speaker 1>John Allen sterling attitude towards collectors of useless information.

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01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:16.399
<v Speaker 3>That being said, this is Tamarasset.

1882
01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:19.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a city in Algeria as a matter of fact,

1883
01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's got national parks. It's got a volcanic place

1884
01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:26.720
<v Speaker 2>that you can go check out. It is a place

1885
01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:31.039
<v Speaker 2>that does exist. But again, this is not the uh,

1886
01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:35.159
<v Speaker 2>this is not the place that your boy claimed that

1887
01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:38.760
<v Speaker 2>he was from. Algeria is way over here. It's it's

1888
01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:41.720
<v Speaker 2>just north of Molly and Niger, to the right of

1889
01:32:42.039 --> 01:32:45.520
<v Speaker 2>or to the east i should say, of Morocco. That's

1890
01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:50.279
<v Speaker 2>not near Egypt or Ethiopia. This is this is This

1891
01:32:50.479 --> 01:32:52.760
<v Speaker 2>is Spain right here. This is the Strait of Gibraltar.

1892
01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>So your boy was from around North Africa, allegedly with

1893
01:32:56.880 --> 01:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>the name of Tamarasset. But again, and it's not even

1894
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.119
<v Speaker 2>like it's the capital city either. It's a small region

1895
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:04.319
<v Speaker 2>or a small city within a larger region that no

1896
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:07.399
<v Speaker 2>one ever really has heard of unless you're just in

1897
01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:09.840
<v Speaker 2>it when it comes to geography and things like that.

1898
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:13.359
<v Speaker 3>But that being said, this is his passport.

1899
01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, yeah, man, look at that name Jennans for Behoedric.

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01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:29.119
<v Speaker 3>Pdrick, Yeah, Berderick or herder I don't know. This is another.

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01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, whenever you start looking up the United Kingdom of Torrid,

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01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:34.079
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna find this thing.

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01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:38.479
<v Speaker 3>Genasf Broderick. Fucking Broderick.

1904
01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Wait a second. You see September eleventh on there?

1905
01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:46.520
<v Speaker 3>I do September eleventh to September of eighty eight. No,

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01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:47.479
<v Speaker 3>that can't be right.

1907
01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:48.479
<v Speaker 4>What is that?

1908
01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:52.960
<v Speaker 3>And then down here it says the sixteenth of July

1909
01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:59.039
<v Speaker 3>the data birth. What there's a date of issue in

1910
01:33:59.079 --> 01:33:59.720
<v Speaker 3>his date of birth?

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01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. Eighty eight. Well I guess, well,

1912
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:07.399
<v Speaker 1>I guess it could have been eighteen eighty eight. Well

1913
01:34:07.479 --> 01:34:09.479
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't that old though, because this happened in the

1914
01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:11.840
<v Speaker 1>fifties and sixties exactly.

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01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>No, but again, he doesn't look Even if this is

1916
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:18.079
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be eighteen eighty eight, this guy is not

1917
01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:20.439
<v Speaker 2>looking like he's seventy years old.

1918
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:21.800
<v Speaker 3>He was thirty six.

1919
01:34:23.119 --> 01:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's from twenty thousand, eighty eight.

1920
01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:25.439
<v Speaker 3>You never know.

1921
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>This is why so much speculation has been towards like, okay,

1922
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:34.640
<v Speaker 2>time traveler. Maybe I don't know, but anyway, so let's

1923
01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:37.119
<v Speaker 2>learn about old zennisfer.

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01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>So Uh nineteen fifty four, while entering a man named

1925
01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:49.399
<v Speaker 1>jet jenansfur Burr Hodrick at Tokyo International Airport. The investigator,

1926
01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:55.479
<v Speaker 1>wondering to see his passport, Becca used, because I'm sorry,

1927
01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:58.399
<v Speaker 1>because oh because.

1928
01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it cuts off weird on this. That's why this

1929
01:35:01.119 --> 01:35:03.199
<v Speaker 2>article did this. It does that all the way down.

1930
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:05.199
<v Speaker 2>There's words that like cut off halfway. So I do

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01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:06.079
<v Speaker 2>apologize for.

1932
01:35:06.119 --> 01:35:09.439
<v Speaker 1>That, okay. So because it was said that he lived

1933
01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:11.840
<v Speaker 1>in a country called Torrid, which does not exist in

1934
01:35:11.880 --> 01:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the man's passport, the investigator said, the passport is wrong.

1935
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:19.279
<v Speaker 1>The country of tour does not exist. Zenanspur Hautrick also

1936
01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>told the explanation and location of the tord but no

1937
01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>matter where you were, no country was found. So zenasf

1938
01:35:28.399 --> 01:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>ver Hadrick stays at the hotel under strict management. But

1939
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:34.199
<v Speaker 1>one day zanask for of a, Hodrick disappears from the

1940
01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:38.600
<v Speaker 1>hotel and even all his belongings disappear. However, dozens of

1941
01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:42.039
<v Speaker 1>security officers were surrounding the hotel, so it was an

1942
01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>environment in which it was impossible to escape and go out.

1943
01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>So the reality of it, it says in October of

1944
01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:51.880
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty nine, a man named John Allen kucher Zegris,

1945
01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:53.760
<v Speaker 1>who was thirty six years old, enter Japan with his

1946
01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Korean wife. Three months later, he was arrested by Tokyo

1947
01:35:57.000 --> 01:35:59.760
<v Speaker 1>police on charges of identity fraud. He was caught trying

1948
01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:03.079
<v Speaker 1>to cash at two hundred thousand yen Czech and traveled

1949
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>in a travelers check worth one hundred and forty dollars

1950
01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:11.199
<v Speaker 1>at the Chase Manhattan Bank Japan branch and trying to

1951
01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:13.479
<v Speaker 1>cash one hundred thousand yen at the Bank of Korea's

1952
01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:16.479
<v Speaker 1>Japanese branch since then. The man was born in the

1953
01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:20.920
<v Speaker 1>United States and moved to England through Czechoslovakia and Germany,

1954
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:24.520
<v Speaker 1>where he went to high school there. And during World

1955
01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:27.119
<v Speaker 1>War Two he was a Royal Air Force pilot once

1956
01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:29.279
<v Speaker 1>he was captured by the Germans, and after the war

1957
01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:32.039
<v Speaker 1>he went to a Latin America and lived in Latin

1958
01:36:32.079 --> 01:36:33.039
<v Speaker 1>America later.

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01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Right, so they're gonna repeat pretty much the same story

1960
01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:37.720
<v Speaker 2>that we read on a former article. But my point

1961
01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:42.279
<v Speaker 2>is hearing these things, right, the checks that he tried

1962
01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:46.720
<v Speaker 2>to cash, and then this whole backstory. Now we're hearing

1963
01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:51.720
<v Speaker 2>about this jenasfer Roderick guy. This is the first time

1964
01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>we've heard this name. It's all been about other people,

1965
01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>other places, all this, but this passport is legitimate.

1966
01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:02.840
<v Speaker 3>So where where is the truth? Where is the Internet hoax?

1967
01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Where do the lies start? And stop? Right? Let's jump

1968
01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:07.680
<v Speaker 3>over here.

1969
01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:11.199
<v Speaker 2>This is an article from Ghost Machine, and I think

1970
01:37:11.239 --> 01:37:13.319
<v Speaker 2>they do a very good job of breaking it all

1971
01:37:13.479 --> 01:37:17.079
<v Speaker 2>down for us. The Man from Towards Solved John Zigris

1972
01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:20.680
<v Speaker 2>and how a real life event became an urban legend.

1973
01:37:21.439 --> 01:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Way back in twenty fifteen, when the ghost in in

1974
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>My Machine? Great beer by the way, and ghosts in

1975
01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the Machine? Ye, Who's what's the name of the Is

1976
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>that ten tin roof that makes that? I think right?

1977
01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:34.279
<v Speaker 3>I think so?

1978
01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Shout out baton rouge beer baby. Anyhow, when the Ghost

1979
01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>in My Machine was still in its early years, I

1980
01:37:41.880 --> 01:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>took a relatively brief look at the story that had

1981
01:37:44.039 --> 01:37:46.359
<v Speaker 1>been circulating for some time regarding a figure known as

1982
01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:48.359
<v Speaker 1>the Man from Torrid. At the time, I'd come to

1983
01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the conclusion that the mystery was likely an urban legend.

1984
01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:53.600
<v Speaker 1>There was little to no information actually backing it up,

1985
01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:56.439
<v Speaker 1>with the tail mostly being repeated over and over as hearsay.

1986
01:37:56.720 --> 01:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>No reliable sources cited. A year or two ago, though

1987
01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I saw started seeing some chatter about or some chatter

1988
01:38:02.640 --> 01:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that the Man from Toward mystery had been solved. He

1989
01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:07.399
<v Speaker 1>was actually a man called John Zegris, and he had

1990
01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>been detained in Japan due to a forged passport circa

1991
01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty nine to nineteen sixty. All right, so he goes,

1992
01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:20.800
<v Speaker 1>he goes. I'll admit that initially I was skeptical. At first.

1993
01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I was mostly seeing the basic information of this possible

1994
01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:26.399
<v Speaker 1>solution passed around the same way the original Man from

1995
01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Towards story had been, that is, briefly and without much

1996
01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:31.399
<v Speaker 1>in the way of citations to support the claim. But

1997
01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:33.479
<v Speaker 1>I figured it was worth looking into any way to

1998
01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:36.079
<v Speaker 1>see if it actually checked out, because well, that's what

1999
01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I do. The short answer is the version of the

2000
01:38:39.319 --> 01:38:41.920
<v Speaker 1>story I had previously looked at is an urban legend,

2001
01:38:42.279 --> 01:38:45.079
<v Speaker 1>but as is often the case with urban legends, it

2002
01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:48.119
<v Speaker 1>does appear to have its basis in a factual event.

2003
01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:51.439
<v Speaker 1>John Zegris did exist, he did arrive in Japan in

2004
01:38:51.520 --> 01:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty nine, and he did get into some trouble

2005
01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:59.840
<v Speaker 1>in early nineteen sixty due to passport forgery, among other things. Mean,

2006
01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:02.520
<v Speaker 1>while the long answer the story of how Zegra's case

2007
01:39:03.239 --> 01:39:06.560
<v Speaker 1>was unearthed by modern day Internet salutes and his connection

2008
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:10.039
<v Speaker 1>to the man from Torrid. Legend uncovered is quite a ride.

2009
01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:13.119
<v Speaker 1>We've got three primary people to thank for uncovering the

2010
01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>various bits and pieces that allow us to see the

2011
01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>big picture here. Nathaniel Attinoli, who kicked the kick this

2012
01:39:21.079 --> 01:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>leg of the investigation off on Reddit in July of

2013
01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:27.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. Julia Lewis, who added to the search of

2014
01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:34.359
<v Speaker 1>the Fortia for Fortiana forums under the username A Nanni

2015
01:39:34.479 --> 01:39:37.479
<v Speaker 1>Jay in March of twenty twenty and later published her

2016
01:39:37.479 --> 01:39:39.319
<v Speaker 1>fundings in a write up for the June twenty twenty

2017
01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:43.159
<v Speaker 1>one issue for The fourteen Times. And redditor and note

2018
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>dot com user Tera Eochi, who in November of twenty

2019
01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty dug up Japanese news coverage of the Zegras story

2020
01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:52.800
<v Speaker 1>from the time at which it was actually unfolding. Additionally,

2021
01:39:52.880 --> 01:39:57.319
<v Speaker 1>I located a blog post from Hattina blog user Gryfon

2022
01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:00.560
<v Speaker 1>that I found to be enormously useful as I started

2023
01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>looking into the whole thing myself, as it provided access

2024
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>to a key Japanese source information contained within Atsi Yuki

2025
01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Sasa's book called The spies who passed me by. I

2026
01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:15.319
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have even been able to parse otherwise some names

2027
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:15.800
<v Speaker 1>in there.

2028
01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:19.479
<v Speaker 2>There is indeed, so basically this person is showing their homework,

2029
01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>showing their sources, and this is the story that they

2030
01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:25.640
<v Speaker 2>have been able to extrapolate from all these sources, some

2031
01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:28.119
<v Speaker 2>of them Americans, some of them Europeans, some of them

2032
01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Japanese who were there that were actually like documenting the things,

2033
01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:33.760
<v Speaker 2>and well, I mean they weren't there, but they are

2034
01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:37.720
<v Speaker 2>documenting the paperwork in the story from the events that

2035
01:40:37.800 --> 01:40:40.359
<v Speaker 2>took place, and they're actually there in the country now

2036
01:40:40.439 --> 01:40:43.439
<v Speaker 2>so they have more access to those hard paper documents.

2037
01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:45.600
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, let's go, so.

2038
01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Who was John Zegris or John Allen Zegris or John

2039
01:40:49.079 --> 01:40:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Allen Zegris spelled differently, John Allen kucher Zegris, John Allen

2040
01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Kutcher Zegres spelled differently, and or John Allen k Zegris,

2041
01:40:57.079 --> 01:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>depending on the source, and what did he do precisely,

2042
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>what happened to him and how did he become immortalized

2043
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:05.720
<v Speaker 1>in the legend as the Man from Torrid. The facts

2044
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:08.439
<v Speaker 1>of the facts in the case of John Zegris, the

2045
01:41:08.479 --> 01:41:11.319
<v Speaker 1>mystery Man without a nationality. The facts are these. On

2046
01:41:11.399 --> 01:41:13.920
<v Speaker 1>October twenty fourth, nineteen fifty nine, a thirty six year

2047
01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:17.800
<v Speaker 1>old man calling himself John Allen K. Zegris enter Japan

2048
01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>through Henita Airport and Taipei, Taiwan, along with his thirty

2049
01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>year old wife, who was from South Korea, reported the

2050
01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:29.720
<v Speaker 1>evening edition of the major Japanese newspaper Yomi Yuri Shimbun

2051
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:33.479
<v Speaker 1>on August tenth, nineteen sixty. In December of nineteen fifty nine,

2052
01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Zegris attempted to defraud the Tokyo branches of both the

2053
01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Chase Manhattan Bank and the Bank of Korea out of

2054
01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:42.439
<v Speaker 1>some hefty funds two hundred thousand yen plus an additional

2055
01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:44.600
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and forty dollars in travelers checks from Chase

2056
01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Manhattan and another one hundred thousand yen from the Bank

2057
01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:51.560
<v Speaker 1>of Korea. Adjusting for inflation, that's just shy of one

2058
01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:56.199
<v Speaker 1>point two million yen today, or about eighty six hundred dollars.

2059
01:41:56.840 --> 01:41:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Man.

2060
01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:58.359
<v Speaker 1>That yen is worth dog shit.

2061
01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:01.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's what happens when your economy goes to shit.

2062
01:42:02.439 --> 01:42:03.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to be.

2063
01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:07.880
<v Speaker 2>An asshole, but yeah, commis huh well, Japan ain't comedy,

2064
01:42:07.920 --> 01:42:09.640
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, to your point.

2065
01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.319
<v Speaker 1>It, oh, I was thinking that it was China for

2066
01:42:11.319 --> 01:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>a second. Yeah, I know it's Japan. I'm tripping.

2067
01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean even still, like, it's it's crazy

2068
01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:19.479
<v Speaker 2>that this dude was trying to cash these really high checks.

2069
01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:21.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean for that area. Yeah, it's a high check.

2070
01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, you remember when we were watching Squid

2071
01:42:24.159 --> 01:42:27.119
<v Speaker 2>games and your boy's talking about all this yen that

2072
01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:29.520
<v Speaker 2>you'll get, and it's like, yeah, over there it's like

2073
01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:32.680
<v Speaker 2>four point six billion one and for us it's like

2074
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:34.680
<v Speaker 2>like five hundred thousand.

2075
01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:37.159
<v Speaker 1>It was like half a million or some shit it was, which.

2076
01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean is still a chunk of change, don't get

2077
01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:44.279
<v Speaker 2>me wrong, but like you're gonna kill yourself for six figures, Doug.

2078
01:42:44.920 --> 01:42:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean Bill though, dude, all you gotta do is

2079
01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:48.359
<v Speaker 1>just go sign up to be on Big brother and

2080
01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>you can. You know, if you win that, it's seven

2081
01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:51.760
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty grand right there, baby, you ain't got.

2082
01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.760
<v Speaker 3>To kill nobody. I mean, it's yeah, it's wild.

2083
01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:57.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited for the American version, though, that's gonna be sick.

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<v Speaker 3>Big Brothers not an American show running.

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01:43:00.399 --> 01:43:01.920
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm talking about Squid games.

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01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:06.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, yeah, I am too. It seems like he's

2087
01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:06.680
<v Speaker 3>gonna be a good one.

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01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there's some desperate ass Americans that I could

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01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:11.760
<v Speaker 1>name probably five people that I know would sign up

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01:43:11.800 --> 01:43:11.960
<v Speaker 1>for that.

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01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:16.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure, easily. So do do do?

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01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:22.640
<v Speaker 1>All? Right? So, uh, forty three hundred dollars all in all,

2093
01:43:22.720 --> 01:43:27.680
<v Speaker 1>that's roughly or that's about fourteen hundred dollars today. Not millions, sure,

2094
01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:31.399
<v Speaker 1>but not but still not insignificant, especially given the era.

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01:43:31.960 --> 01:43:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Zegris was arrested in January nineteen sixty in connection with

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01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:37.560
<v Speaker 1>the attempted bank fraud, and upon his arrest, it was

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01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:40.279
<v Speaker 1>discovered that the passport he had used to enter Japan

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01:43:40.640 --> 01:43:41.279
<v Speaker 1>was forged.

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01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:46.680
<v Speaker 2>So here we see the Jenasfer Broderick passport. Actually it

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01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:49.159
<v Speaker 2>says not actually a passport from Tarred.

2101
01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:50.239
<v Speaker 3>Shocker.

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01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is not from Turret, even though it says

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01:43:52.760 --> 01:43:55.920
<v Speaker 2>right there Tarred. But again, I mean fraudulent.

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01:43:57.680 --> 01:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I if it's from another dimension, how would we know

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01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:01.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not actually a real passport?

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01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:04.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, fair point, fair point. But again, this is

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01:44:04.239 --> 01:44:06.199
<v Speaker 2>the guy that was arrested in all these things. So

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01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:09.199
<v Speaker 2>let's find where the rubber meets the road with this story.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you inclined to believe that if somebody is a

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01:44:12.359 --> 01:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>scam artist or not even a scam artist, let's just

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01:44:15.039 --> 01:44:20.079
<v Speaker 1>say that there there's somebody who commits one act of fraudulents,

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01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:23.399
<v Speaker 1>are you inclined to believe that every other thing that

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01:44:23.479 --> 01:44:30.239
<v Speaker 1>comes out about them is most likely fraud? Like do

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01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:31.840
<v Speaker 1>you throw all the baby out for you?

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01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:32.039
<v Speaker 4>Like?

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01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you throw all like the whole baby with, you know,

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01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:38.000
<v Speaker 1>out with the bathwater after one story? It's almost like,

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01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:40.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, I always you always like to bring up

2119
01:44:40.439 --> 01:44:42.359
<v Speaker 1>like you build a thousand bridges, but you fuck one goat?

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01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>What are you called?

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01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:46.359
<v Speaker 3>Then? You know? Is it like that kind of yes?

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01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Kind of no? I give caveat. Okay for the most part.

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01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:54.319
<v Speaker 2>For some you have a case like Billy Carson who

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01:44:55.800 --> 01:44:57.439
<v Speaker 2>hold on, hold on, hold, wait, wait wait, because there's

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01:44:57.680 --> 01:44:58.640
<v Speaker 2>there's addendum to this.

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01:44:59.359 --> 01:45:03.520
<v Speaker 3>He was convicted for fraud years ago and then he

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01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:04.720
<v Speaker 3>started this whole you know.

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01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Story about the emerald tablets and the past and the

2129
01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Ananachi and all these things. Then come to find out,

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01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.079
<v Speaker 2>shocker to everybody I know, that he was in fact

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01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:19.359
<v Speaker 2>a fraud ster, and like, yeah, so that one the

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01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:21.640
<v Speaker 2>fraud charge that was brought against some years ago. That

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01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:24.159
<v Speaker 2>should have been a telltale sign, especially who's making some

2134
01:45:24.319 --> 01:45:29.520
<v Speaker 2>very incredulous claims, right, Okay, But then we also have

2135
01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>another case where somebody wasn't just doing one fraudulent thing,

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01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:37.520
<v Speaker 2>did a whole list of fraudulent things, got arrested for it,

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01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and then turned his life around and became a consultant

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01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:44.720
<v Speaker 2>on finding fraud because he knew so much about it.

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01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:48.199
<v Speaker 2>In the way of a guy named Frank Abagnew Junior.

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01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you've heard of him from the movie Catch Me

2141
01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:52.239
<v Speaker 2>if you Can, starring Leo Dicaprice.

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01:45:52.720 --> 01:45:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's the movie. Such a good movie, it is, indeed.

2143
01:45:56.279 --> 01:45:59.079
<v Speaker 2>But let's keep in mind this kid, when he was

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01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a teenager, posed as At first it was he posed

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01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:05.399
<v Speaker 2>as a French teacher because he could speak French fluently, his.

2146
01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:07.479
<v Speaker 3>Mom was French, his dad brought him home from the war,

2147
01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:08.479
<v Speaker 3>and all these things, right.

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01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:08.800
<v Speaker 4>Cool.

2149
01:46:09.399 --> 01:46:12.600
<v Speaker 2>So then he decides to take off buy a pilot's

2150
01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:15.479
<v Speaker 2>uniform and start writing fraudulent checks.

2151
01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:18.479
<v Speaker 3>And this is back before check fraud was a real thing.

2152
01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh and then he also didn't he like, pass the

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01:46:21.159 --> 01:46:23.479
<v Speaker 1>bar without even going to college or some shit too.

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01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:26.159
<v Speaker 3>I look that up. That is true.

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01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:30.479
<v Speaker 2>Rank Abagnale Junior passed the bar exam in New Orleans,

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01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Louisiana with two weeks of studying, with no background in

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01:46:33.880 --> 01:46:34.640
<v Speaker 2>law whatsoever.

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01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:37.079
<v Speaker 3>And I asked my lawyer about this.

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01:46:37.239 --> 01:46:39.039
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I was just curious because, like,

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01:46:39.079 --> 01:46:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I understand that, and you know, that's a detract from

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01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the conversation too much. But Louisiana operates under Napoleonic law, Okay,

2162
01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the nation operates under what's called common law.

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01:46:49.439 --> 01:46:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Here is the only difference between the two. They basically

2164
01:46:52.199 --> 01:46:54.079
<v Speaker 2>are the same thing, but there's some slight nuances.

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01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:54.279
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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01:46:55.920 --> 01:46:59.840
<v Speaker 2>The common law was a law adopted from England, which

2167
01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:03.039
<v Speaker 2>there's a law that was adopted from ancient Rome that

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01:47:03.159 --> 01:47:06.079
<v Speaker 2>was adopted from ancient Greece. It's like they basically have

2169
01:47:06.680 --> 01:47:09.760
<v Speaker 2>changed things to meet the times that we are currently

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01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:11.800
<v Speaker 2>living in. But either way you want to slice it,

2171
01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:14.800
<v Speaker 2>it's basically the same law. The courtroom still operates the

2172
01:47:14.880 --> 01:47:17.159
<v Speaker 2>same way. There's a precedence to all of it, right,

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01:47:18.399 --> 01:47:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Napoleonic law. When the French got to Louisiana, they basically

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01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>wanted to set up a law system for this area.

2175
01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:29.399
<v Speaker 2>So what they did was they called all of the

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01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:33.600
<v Speaker 2>native American tribes to come together in this area and say,

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01:47:33.800 --> 01:47:37.119
<v Speaker 2>what is your practice for how you handle murder, how

2178
01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:39.800
<v Speaker 2>you handle theft, how you handle this and this and this.

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01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:43.439
<v Speaker 2>They compiled it all and french a tized. I was

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01:47:43.439 --> 01:47:45.239
<v Speaker 2>going to say anglicized it, but that's not true. They

2181
01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:48.159
<v Speaker 2>guys said they francophiled it, and they turned it into

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01:47:48.239 --> 01:47:51.159
<v Speaker 2>what we now call Napoleonic law. The thing is, it

2183
01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:55.479
<v Speaker 2>is pretty fucking close to common law. But that being said,

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01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:57.840
<v Speaker 2>if you pass the bar in Louisiana, you can't operate

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01:47:57.880 --> 01:48:00.399
<v Speaker 2>in any other state unless you go out and pass

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01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:03.159
<v Speaker 2>the bar in other states, right, which that's not just

2187
01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:05.399
<v Speaker 2>the Louisiana thing. Like if you have a license to

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01:48:05.600 --> 01:48:08.119
<v Speaker 2>operate in Pennsylvania, that does not mean that you can

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01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:09.479
<v Speaker 2>operate in New York City either.

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01:48:09.760 --> 01:48:10.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean he's just passed the bar.

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01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:13.000
<v Speaker 1>These It's pretty much the same thing for real estate,

2192
01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:15.960
<v Speaker 1>like sometimes it travels, Like if you get a Louisiana

2193
01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:18.680
<v Speaker 1>real estate license, I like, you can't even go to Texas.

2194
01:48:18.720 --> 01:48:21.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't think like it's like other states, not including

2195
01:48:22.159 --> 01:48:24.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's not including all of them. Sometimes it transfers.

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01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:26.479
<v Speaker 1>You still have to go over there and take the

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01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:28.159
<v Speaker 1>test over again. But you don't have to complete the

2198
01:48:28.239 --> 01:48:32.039
<v Speaker 1>schooling or some shit. But yeah, Frank Abagneil, what a

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01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:33.399
<v Speaker 1>stud he did.

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01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Indeed, as a matter of fact, you can look it

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01:48:34.920 --> 01:48:35.279
<v Speaker 3>up right here.

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01:48:35.319 --> 01:48:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Frank Abgnail passed Louisiana Bar Exam on his third attempt,

2203
01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:42.359
<v Speaker 2>after eight weeks of dedicated studying, having previously forged a

2204
01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Harvard Wall School transcript to apply for the exam. After

2205
01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>failing the exam twice, he passed by applying the knowledge

2206
01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:52.079
<v Speaker 2>he'd gained from the wrong answers provided by the test.

2207
01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:54.279
<v Speaker 2>So I asked my lawyer about this. I was like,

2208
01:48:54.439 --> 01:48:57.600
<v Speaker 2>is it real possible? Like real shit? Is it possible

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01:48:57.640 --> 01:48:59.720
<v Speaker 2>to pass the bar exam? What two weeks of studying

2210
01:48:59.720 --> 01:48:59.840
<v Speaker 2>in that?

2211
01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:00.239
<v Speaker 3>That's it?

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01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:04.760
<v Speaker 2>He said, It's extremely hard, but it is possible, Like

2213
01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:06.159
<v Speaker 2>that is a thing that you could do if you

2214
01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:07.800
<v Speaker 2>have a mind for it, if you're really good at

2215
01:49:07.840 --> 01:49:10.439
<v Speaker 2>taking tests, if you already had tried a couple times

2216
01:49:10.479 --> 01:49:12.319
<v Speaker 2>so you already knew some of the wrong answer kind

2217
01:49:12.359 --> 01:49:12.600
<v Speaker 2>of thing.

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01:49:13.159 --> 01:49:16.119
<v Speaker 1>So some people a full on mental trap as far

2219
01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:18.520
<v Speaker 1>as like their ability to remember information.

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01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and so Frank Abgnail Junior is a case

2221
01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:28.119
<v Speaker 2>of somebody who forged checks, forged transcripts. He acted as

2222
01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:32.119
<v Speaker 2>a doctor in Georgia, he acted as a lawyer in Louisiana.

2223
01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:35.920
<v Speaker 2>He was a pilot internationally. Then he goes to Europe

2224
01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:41.479
<v Speaker 2>and he starts printing real checks fraudulently from a manufacturer.

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01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:43.359
<v Speaker 3>You remember all of these things, right, mm hmm.

2226
01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Now this is also around the same timeframe fifties and

2227
01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:51.840
<v Speaker 2>sixties when Frank Abneil Junior was doing his shit.

2228
01:49:52.720 --> 01:49:55.680
<v Speaker 3>So now let's cut back to our guy here in Japan.

2229
01:49:56.520 --> 01:49:59.479
<v Speaker 2>Now to answer your question long form, there are some

2230
01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:03.920
<v Speaker 2>cases where if this person's caught with fraud once, what

2231
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:06.199
<v Speaker 2>are the what's the likelihood that they are going to

2232
01:50:06.439 --> 01:50:08.039
<v Speaker 2>just be like, you know what, that was a big

2233
01:50:08.119 --> 01:50:10.680
<v Speaker 2>swing and a miss. Try to shoot my shot, got

2234
01:50:10.760 --> 01:50:12.520
<v Speaker 2>my Dick's lap for it. We're gonna move on. I'm

2235
01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>just gonna go punch a clock and get a real

2236
01:50:14.119 --> 01:50:17.239
<v Speaker 2>job somewhere. Or what are the chances that they're like, oh, well,

2237
01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm smart enough. Now they caught me that time, They're

2238
01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:21.760
<v Speaker 2>not gonna catch me again because now I know what

2239
01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:24.840
<v Speaker 2>they're looking for. Realistically, what are the chances?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I was, I would say, especially back then,

2241
01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:30.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, you didn't even have the fucking Internet, dude,

2242
01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:34.239
<v Speaker 1>So you really had to be like really good at

2243
01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:38.720
<v Speaker 1>like understanding first of all how the system is and

2244
01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>then learning like all the little discrepancies as far as

2245
01:50:42.079 --> 01:50:45.560
<v Speaker 1>being able to forge and fraud your way to get places.

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01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:45.760
<v Speaker 3>You know.

2247
01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:49.000
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, it's if nothing else, it's impressive.

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01:50:50.119 --> 01:50:53.680
<v Speaker 2>It is there is a level of appreciation that I

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01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:56.119
<v Speaker 2>can give to somebody who's able to pull off fraud

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01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:59.800
<v Speaker 2>to this level. Pulling up a passport that already passed

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01:50:59.840 --> 01:51:03.399
<v Speaker 2>through true, however many countries to get to this point

2252
01:51:04.199 --> 01:51:07.199
<v Speaker 2>is impressive, right, And that you knew enough things to

2253
01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:09.840
<v Speaker 2>say and you carried yourself in such a swagger that

2254
01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:12.640
<v Speaker 2>you were able to bypass all of their security. And

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01:51:12.880 --> 01:51:15.319
<v Speaker 2>again the security was not like the best at that time,

2256
01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:17.680
<v Speaker 2>and I understand that. But you're willing to talk to

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01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:20.199
<v Speaker 2>talk and walk the walk enough to where all these

2258
01:51:20.239 --> 01:51:22.359
<v Speaker 2>people will give you the stamp of approval and not

2259
01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:23.439
<v Speaker 2>ask another question.

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<v Speaker 3>That's impressive.

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01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is slightly impressive, so not slightly majorly.

2262
01:51:30.439 --> 01:51:30.479
<v Speaker 4>So.

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01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Typically a case like this would have been under the

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01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:37.199
<v Speaker 1>jurisdiction of Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department's Criminal Investigations Bureau. However,

2265
01:51:37.359 --> 01:51:39.439
<v Speaker 1>it ended up getting handed off to the Foreign Affairs

2266
01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:43.479
<v Speaker 1>Division of the MPD's Public Security Bureau instead, where it

2267
01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:48.319
<v Speaker 1>was headed up by eventual First Cabinet Security Affairs Office

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01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:53.039
<v Speaker 1>chief at Siyuki Sasa, then early in his career due

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01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:56.279
<v Speaker 1>to what Zurgis claimed his background to be. Sasa, who

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01:51:56.520 --> 01:51:59.399
<v Speaker 1>in addition to his law enforcement and political career, also

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01:51:59.439 --> 01:52:01.600
<v Speaker 1>became a prolific writer over the course of his life,

2272
01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:04.479
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Zergis case several times in his published works.

2273
01:52:04.760 --> 01:52:07.520
<v Speaker 1>The most detailed discussion of it, however, makes up the

2274
01:52:07.720 --> 01:52:10.840
<v Speaker 1>fourth chapter of the of his twenty sixteen book called

2275
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:14.159
<v Speaker 1>The Spies Who Passed Me By, titled was He a

2276
01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Double Agent? Interesting? This book has not been translated into

2277
01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.199
<v Speaker 1>English and is and it is difficult to get a

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01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:23.800
<v Speaker 1>hold of outside of Japan. I am indebted to a

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01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:27.399
<v Speaker 1>May twenty twenty blog post by Hatina blog user Gryphon,

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01:52:27.479 --> 01:52:30.720
<v Speaker 1>which summarizes the information contained within this chapter of the book.

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01:52:31.079 --> 01:52:35.600
<v Speaker 1>According to Sasa, Zegris claimed to be a mobile ambassador

2282
01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:40.159
<v Speaker 1>for the Nagusi Habisi country and an American intelligence agent.

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01:52:40.520 --> 01:52:44.119
<v Speaker 1>When asked where Negusi Habisi was, he pointed on a

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01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:46.680
<v Speaker 1>map to Ethiopia and claimed it was supposed to be

2285
01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:51.279
<v Speaker 1>written in a different script, one resembling Arabic. Zegris's homemade

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01:52:51.319 --> 01:52:53.760
<v Speaker 1>passport was the size of a weekly of a weekly

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01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:58.520
<v Speaker 1>magazine per Sassa, and contained a section intended to certify

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01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:03.880
<v Speaker 1>its eligibility. It's eligib ability, which read negahushi nabisi Ambassador

2289
01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:10.640
<v Speaker 1>extraordinary and plenty potent chieri and roving ambassador. An ambassador

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01:53:10.680 --> 01:53:12.880
<v Speaker 1>who travels around the world without being stationed in one

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01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:15.840
<v Speaker 1>country and end quote according to.

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01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:19.960
<v Speaker 2>His imagine that a roving ambassador. So you're telling me

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01:53:20.039 --> 01:53:23.159
<v Speaker 2>that usually an ambassador is set up in a foreign

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01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:26.239
<v Speaker 2>country to speak on behalf of their home country.

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01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:27.119
<v Speaker 4>I e.

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01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:29.760
<v Speaker 2>When I was in France, we went to the French

2297
01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:34.159
<v Speaker 2>ambassador's house or the American ambassador's house in France.

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01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:35.720
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So he was an.

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01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:39.000
<v Speaker 2>American and the land itself that the embassy stands on

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01:53:39.239 --> 01:53:42.960
<v Speaker 2>is considered US land, right, just that one square section

2301
01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:46.239
<v Speaker 2>of that building. And he is there to speak to

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01:53:46.600 --> 01:53:49.760
<v Speaker 2>the French Prime minister on behalf of whoever the American

2303
01:53:49.800 --> 01:53:52.680
<v Speaker 2>president is. He's the emissary, he's the ambassador, he's the

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01:53:52.760 --> 01:53:54.000
<v Speaker 2>go between the middleman.

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01:53:54.920 --> 01:53:56.840
<v Speaker 3>So this guy is saying, oh, I'm that, but I

2306
01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:59.439
<v Speaker 3>just I'm a nomadic one. I go where I want.

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01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:01.439
<v Speaker 3>Half of Ethiopia.

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01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:04.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe certain countries have those things.

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01:54:04.199 --> 01:54:08.079
<v Speaker 2>You never know, you know, that's they don't. That's not

2310
01:54:08.199 --> 01:54:10.359
<v Speaker 2>a thing at all. Actually it's I mean, but you

2311
01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to be stationed in a place as an ambassador. But

2312
01:54:13.119 --> 01:54:17.199
<v Speaker 2>did everybody back then know that exactly? So he got

2313
01:54:17.239 --> 01:54:20.720
<v Speaker 2>through all these airport passports, and he's a roving ambassador.

2314
01:54:20.800 --> 01:54:22.600
<v Speaker 3>So they rolled out the red carpet for him.

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01:54:22.640 --> 01:54:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Dude, they made it like, oh, he's a foreign dignitary,

2316
01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:26.359
<v Speaker 1>all these things.

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01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:29.039
<v Speaker 3>Come to find out, big swinging amiss.

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01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:32.840
<v Speaker 1>So, according to Zassa or Sasa rather, Zegris claimed his

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01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:36.760
<v Speaker 1>arrest was a violation of diplomatic privileges and demanded to

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01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:41.319
<v Speaker 1>be released immediately. So ergo. The case went to the

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01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Foreign Affairs Department, just you know, in case, no one

2322
01:54:44.920 --> 01:54:48.079
<v Speaker 1>wants a diplomatic crisis or an international incident on their

2323
01:54:48.159 --> 01:54:51.319
<v Speaker 1>hands if they can help it, right, so Zegris apparently

2324
01:54:51.359 --> 01:54:53.479
<v Speaker 1>claimed to have been born in the United States before

2325
01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:57.039
<v Speaker 1>moving to England via Germany and what was then Czechoslovakia,

2326
01:54:57.279 --> 01:55:00.279
<v Speaker 1>where he stayed until he completed secondary school, aim to

2327
01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:02.520
<v Speaker 1>have been a pilot in the Royal Air Force Royal

2328
01:55:02.640 --> 01:55:05.399
<v Speaker 1>Air Force during the Second World War, and spent time

2329
01:55:05.479 --> 01:55:08.239
<v Speaker 1>in prison in Germany as a pow after the end

2330
01:55:08.279 --> 01:55:10.439
<v Speaker 1>of the war. He claimed to have lived a for

2331
01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:13.560
<v Speaker 1>a time in Central and South America, to have worked

2332
01:55:13.560 --> 01:55:16.239
<v Speaker 1>as an intelligence agent for the US military in Korea,

2333
01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to have been a pilot in Thailand and Vietnam, and

2334
01:55:19.079 --> 01:55:21.319
<v Speaker 1>then to have joined the Arab Coalition in order to

2335
01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:24.920
<v Speaker 1>carry out a diplomatic mission for the Nagusi Habisi and

2336
01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:27.359
<v Speaker 1>quotes he goes I came to Japan to carry out

2337
01:55:27.359 --> 01:55:30.279
<v Speaker 1>a top secret mission of recruiting Japanese volunteers for the

2338
01:55:30.399 --> 01:55:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Great Arab Coalition, he said. According to SASSA, upon investigation,

2339
01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:39.000
<v Speaker 1>none of the biographical information Zegris provided could be verified.

2340
01:55:39.279 --> 01:55:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Police subsequently indicted him on the grounds of having an

2341
01:55:42.760 --> 01:55:44.039
<v Speaker 1>unknown nationality.

2342
01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:47.399
<v Speaker 3>So real, quick, couple of things.

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01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:53.479
<v Speaker 2>One, recruiting Japanese volunteers for the Great Arab Coalition.

2344
01:55:54.199 --> 01:55:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's make a whole lot of sense.

2345
01:55:56.039 --> 01:55:57.000
<v Speaker 3>It does not out loud.

2346
01:55:57.039 --> 01:55:59.800
<v Speaker 2>And secondly, to all those people out there that believe

2347
01:55:59.840 --> 01:56:03.159
<v Speaker 2>in the sovereign citizen shit, and you're you have no

2348
01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:06.359
<v Speaker 2>nation and you're just traveling and whatever else. Keep in

2349
01:56:06.479 --> 01:56:09.920
<v Speaker 2>mind they arrested him and indicted him on the grounds

2350
01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:14.159
<v Speaker 2>of having an unknown nationality, because that is illegal for

2351
01:56:14.279 --> 01:56:16.800
<v Speaker 2>the record, to just be a person without a country.

2352
01:56:17.039 --> 01:56:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anybody that believes that has to be one stupid.

2353
01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:27.479
<v Speaker 3>Fuck pun intended punintend Brandon.

2354
01:56:28.760 --> 01:56:33.399
<v Speaker 1>So anyhow, the August tenth article from the Yumuri Shimbun

2355
01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:36.560
<v Speaker 1>was published on the occasion of Zegris's sentencing and apparently

2356
01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:39.680
<v Speaker 1>attempted suicide in the court room immediately following the sentencing.

2357
01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:43.840
<v Speaker 1>He did not complete the attempt, and, following his recovery,

2358
01:56:43.960 --> 01:56:45.239
<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to one year in prison.

2359
01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:50.279
<v Speaker 2>So this is, in fact, your boy John Zegris from

2360
01:56:50.319 --> 01:56:54.039
<v Speaker 2>a Japanese newspaper looks like a regular old dude, right,

2361
01:56:54.279 --> 01:56:55.760
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, granted, I know it's a black and

2362
01:56:55.840 --> 01:56:57.920
<v Speaker 2>white and it's very blurry, and I mean the picture

2363
01:56:57.960 --> 01:56:59.079
<v Speaker 2>can only tell you so much.

2364
01:56:59.760 --> 01:57:03.199
<v Speaker 3>But but again, you could see how this dude, especially.

2365
01:57:02.880 --> 01:57:05.920
<v Speaker 2>If he's like OLLI complected and had kind of curly

2366
01:57:06.039 --> 01:57:08.399
<v Speaker 2>but not straight but not like kinky hair like this

2367
01:57:08.600 --> 01:57:12.239
<v Speaker 2>dude is, he kind of could be a racially ambiguous dude.

2368
01:57:12.279 --> 01:57:14.720
<v Speaker 3>You don't know if he's Baltic, you don't know if he's.

2369
01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Arabic, Greece's possibly Greek, fucking maybe a lighter skinned Italian,

2370
01:57:20.119 --> 01:57:21.000
<v Speaker 1>felt like, you don't know.

2371
01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:23.880
<v Speaker 2>But he's speaking all the right things. And apparently he's

2372
01:57:23.920 --> 01:57:27.279
<v Speaker 2>fluent in French and Japanese. That's also pretty interesting, as

2373
01:57:27.319 --> 01:57:30.720
<v Speaker 2>he's there to recruit Japanese people for the Great Arab Coalition,

2374
01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:33.079
<v Speaker 2>and there are some Arab countries that do a fair

2375
01:57:33.119 --> 01:57:35.560
<v Speaker 2>amount of French speaking, but that goes back to French

2376
01:57:35.600 --> 01:57:36.760
<v Speaker 2>colonialism and things like that.

2377
01:57:36.920 --> 01:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, anyway, Yeah, So the Japanese media continued to

2378
01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:44.239
<v Speaker 1>cover the strange case during that time, with major papers

2379
01:57:44.279 --> 01:57:49.600
<v Speaker 1>such as the asa Asahi Shimbun and the main e

2380
01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Chi Shimbun publishing stories about it through Zegris's year of imprisonment. Additionally,

2381
01:57:55.600 --> 01:57:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Atsa Yuki Sasas wrote in These Spies who Passed Me

2382
01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:01.359
<v Speaker 1>By that Zegris attempted to file a civil lawsuit from

2383
01:58:01.399 --> 01:58:05.199
<v Speaker 1>prison against the Superintendent General at the time, bunbai Haa,

2384
01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:09.680
<v Speaker 1>accusing him of embezzlement and demanding one million dollars in damages.

2385
01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:12.399
<v Speaker 1>The suit didn't go anywhere because it was absurd, and

2386
01:58:12.479 --> 01:58:16.119
<v Speaker 1>when Zegris's time was up, he was deported to Hong Kong.

2387
01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:19.359
<v Speaker 1>His wife, meanwhile, was deported home to South Korea.

2388
01:58:20.399 --> 01:58:21.920
<v Speaker 3>I will say he committed to the bit.

2389
01:58:22.960 --> 01:58:26.279
<v Speaker 2>You definitely did counter sue for a million dollar US

2390
01:58:26.560 --> 01:58:31.159
<v Speaker 2>in damages for one year of quote unquote imprisonment, which,

2391
01:58:31.199 --> 01:58:33.039
<v Speaker 2>for the record, most of that time he was in

2392
01:58:33.119 --> 01:58:36.560
<v Speaker 2>a hospital recovering from his own wrist slit situation. And

2393
01:58:36.640 --> 01:58:39.039
<v Speaker 2>when you account for the time he was already detained,

2394
01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the courts and all that shit, plus the recovery time,

2395
01:58:42.239 --> 01:58:43.960
<v Speaker 2>he walked away scott free.

2396
01:58:45.239 --> 01:58:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Pretty impressive. So SASA didn't know what happened to either

2397
01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:52.640
<v Speaker 1>of them after they left Japan, and they're seemingly the story.

2398
01:58:52.920 --> 01:58:57.359
<v Speaker 1>The story ends, except it doesn't, not quite. The plot thickens,

2399
01:58:57.560 --> 01:59:00.600
<v Speaker 1>you see as the story travels, and as it does so,

2400
01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:06.520
<v Speaker 1>it moves into legend as you would expect, tarred to

2401
01:59:06.800 --> 01:59:10.880
<v Speaker 1>tarred and playing telephone with the truth. The Zegra story,

2402
01:59:10.920 --> 01:59:13.159
<v Speaker 1>it turns out, initially spread much more quickly than I

2403
01:59:13.279 --> 01:59:17.000
<v Speaker 1>might have thought, as both Nataniel and Natole and Julia

2404
01:59:17.119 --> 01:59:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Lewis found Zegris related news travel globally via translated radio

2405
01:59:22.880 --> 01:59:26.399
<v Speaker 1>broadcasts as the court case unfolded. We know this because

2406
01:59:26.399 --> 01:59:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the translations are available as public record. They're in the

2407
01:59:29.920 --> 01:59:34.039
<v Speaker 1>published daily reports of the Foreign Broadcast Information Service, or

2408
01:59:34.119 --> 01:59:38.079
<v Speaker 1>the FBIS, per the University of Washington's library system. The

2409
01:59:38.239 --> 01:59:40.920
<v Speaker 1>FBIES was started in nineteen forty one with the goal

2410
01:59:41.000 --> 01:59:44.439
<v Speaker 1>of providing English language translations of radio broadcasts from foreign

2411
01:59:44.439 --> 01:59:49.760
<v Speaker 1>countries and territories of interest. The collected published reports are

2412
01:59:49.840 --> 01:59:52.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty widely available. Many of them, including the ones that

2413
01:59:52.880 --> 01:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>are relevant to us here, are even available on Google Books.

2414
01:59:56.279 --> 01:59:56.720
<v Speaker 3>How about that?

2415
01:59:56.960 --> 02:00:00.000
<v Speaker 1>There you go and totally and I'm sure I'm saying

2416
02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:03.560
<v Speaker 1>that wrong. An it's Eoli dug up a broadcast translation

2417
02:00:03.840 --> 02:00:06.760
<v Speaker 1>in the compilation of issues one hundred and fifty six

2418
02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:10.000
<v Speaker 1>through one sixty of these daily reports, dated August tenth,

2419
02:00:10.079 --> 02:00:13.399
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty that describes precisely what was published in the

2420
02:00:13.479 --> 02:00:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Yoma Yurishim Bund that same day. Meanwhile, Lois or lewet

2421
02:00:17.680 --> 02:00:21.760
<v Speaker 1>is it Lewis Lois? I think Lewis Lewis located another

2422
02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:25.239
<v Speaker 1>broadcast translation in the collection featuring issues two forty nine

2423
02:00:25.279 --> 02:00:28.560
<v Speaker 1>and two fifty from nineteen sixty one, which essentially offers

2424
02:00:28.600 --> 02:00:31.079
<v Speaker 1>a two sentence summary of the entire case. And this

2425
02:00:31.199 --> 02:00:34.800
<v Speaker 1>summary is Zegris is described as a man without nationality

2426
02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:37.840
<v Speaker 1>who was sentenced to a year's imprisonment for having illegally

2427
02:00:38.079 --> 02:00:40.119
<v Speaker 1>entered Japan and passing phony checks.

2428
02:00:41.399 --> 02:00:43.000
<v Speaker 3>There you have it, but let's continue.

2429
02:00:43.199 --> 02:00:46.359
<v Speaker 1>However, there's also evidence that the case was known about

2430
02:00:46.439 --> 02:00:49.079
<v Speaker 1>in some circles sooner than August of nineteen sixty, not

2431
02:00:49.199 --> 02:00:52.000
<v Speaker 1>much sooner, but still prior to the first broadcast. First

2432
02:00:52.079 --> 02:00:55.680
<v Speaker 1>of the broadcast documented in the FBIS Daily Reports. The

2433
02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:58.640
<v Speaker 1>transcript of a speech regarding the issue of passport control

2434
02:00:58.720 --> 02:01:01.119
<v Speaker 1>given on July twenty ninth, nine teen sixty by British

2435
02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:06.399
<v Speaker 1>politician Robert Matthew, who represented Honiton now part of East

2436
02:01:06.479 --> 02:01:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Devon in the House of Commons, makes reference to the

2437
02:01:09.359 --> 02:01:11.119
<v Speaker 1>ongoing Zegras situation.

2438
02:01:11.720 --> 02:01:13.479
<v Speaker 2>Which we talked about that they were debating it in

2439
02:01:13.560 --> 02:01:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the British House of Commons at that time, because.

2440
02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:18.039
<v Speaker 3>He claimed that he went through the Britain at one

2441
02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:18.960
<v Speaker 3>point they're like, bro, what.

2442
02:01:20.560 --> 02:01:22.960
<v Speaker 1>It's this speech which introduces the key element of what

2443
02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:25.960
<v Speaker 1>will through a process, not unlike that scene in the

2444
02:01:26.000 --> 02:01:29.039
<v Speaker 1>game of Telephone, the parlor game, not the supernatural ritual?

2445
02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Is that? For what is the supernatural ritual called telephone?

2446
02:01:34.680 --> 02:01:36.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, like talking to smile on the other side

2447
02:01:37.000 --> 02:01:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Weisi board.

2448
02:01:37.880 --> 02:01:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Eh okay, okay makes sense eventually became Torrid. Roughly halfway

2449
02:01:43.000 --> 02:01:47.720
<v Speaker 1>through his remarks, Matthew told the following anecdote emphasis mind says,

2450
02:01:47.960 --> 02:01:51.319
<v Speaker 1>my hun friend may know the case of John Allen Zegris,

2451
02:01:51.359 --> 02:01:54.880
<v Speaker 1>who is at present being prosecuted in Tokyo. That's not

2452
02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:56.479
<v Speaker 1>you spell that in evidence.

2453
02:01:56.520 --> 02:01:58.359
<v Speaker 3>British people spell shit weird.

2454
02:01:58.560 --> 02:02:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah they do in evidence. He describes himself as an

2455
02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:06.039
<v Speaker 1>intelligence agent, agent for Colonel Nasser, and a naturalized Ethiopian.

2456
02:02:06.159 --> 02:02:08.399
<v Speaker 1>This man, according to the evidence, has traveled all over

2457
02:02:08.399 --> 02:02:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the world with a very impressive looking passport. Indeed, it

2458
02:02:11.039 --> 02:02:14.600
<v Speaker 1>is written in the language unknown and it has remained unidentified,

2459
02:02:14.640 --> 02:02:17.399
<v Speaker 1>although it has been studied for a long time. Biphilologist

2460
02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:21.600
<v Speaker 1>in quotes the passport is stated to have been issued

2461
02:02:21.680 --> 02:02:24.760
<v Speaker 1>in Tama Rosset, the capital of the independent sovereign state

2462
02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:28.399
<v Speaker 1>of Torred. Neither the country nor the language can be identified,

2463
02:02:28.399 --> 02:02:30.279
<v Speaker 1>although a great deal of time has been spent in

2464
02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:33.199
<v Speaker 1>the attempt. When the accused was cross examined, he said

2465
02:02:33.239 --> 02:02:35.880
<v Speaker 1>that it was a state of two It was a

2466
02:02:36.039 --> 02:02:39.479
<v Speaker 1>state of two million populations somewhere south of the Sahara.

2467
02:02:39.800 --> 02:02:41.760
<v Speaker 1>This man has been around the world on this passport

2468
02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:44.640
<v Speaker 1>without hindrance, a passport which, as far as we know,

2469
02:02:44.960 --> 02:02:48.479
<v Speaker 1>is written in the invented language of an invented country.

2470
02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:51.279
<v Speaker 1>I would stress therefore that passports are not very good

2471
02:02:51.319 --> 02:02:52.079
<v Speaker 1>security checks.

2472
02:02:53.319 --> 02:02:55.840
<v Speaker 3>I would agree, but let's continue there.

2473
02:02:55.920 --> 02:03:00.359
<v Speaker 1>It is Torrid tua RD for what it's worth. I'm

2474
02:03:00.399 --> 02:03:03.119
<v Speaker 1>not actually sure where Matthew got all of that stuff

2475
02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:07.199
<v Speaker 1>about Tamaroset or Torrid from. It's not present in any

2476
02:03:07.239 --> 02:03:10.600
<v Speaker 1>of the contemporary Japanese reports or sources that documented the case,

2477
02:03:10.680 --> 02:03:12.039
<v Speaker 1>but I suppose it may have come up in the

2478
02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:15.399
<v Speaker 1>understanding of global geography at the time. Regardless, it is

2479
02:03:15.439 --> 02:03:20.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty clear that Matthew made some errors here. Tamarosets does exist,

2480
02:03:20.600 --> 02:03:23.960
<v Speaker 1>but the spelling is incorrect. Tamar Rossett is the typical

2481
02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:26.760
<v Speaker 1>rendering of the city's name in the Latin alphabet. It's

2482
02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:30.199
<v Speaker 1>the capital city of Tamaroset Province, which is located in

2483
02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:34.119
<v Speaker 1>the southern region of Algeria. Meanwhile, Torrid is believed to

2484
02:03:34.199 --> 02:03:38.000
<v Speaker 1>be a fumbling of Torreg as well as a misunderstanding

2485
02:03:38.039 --> 02:03:40.880
<v Speaker 1>of what the word Torreg actually refers to. It's not

2486
02:03:41.000 --> 02:03:43.800
<v Speaker 1>an independent sovereign state, as Matthew seems to have thought

2487
02:03:43.880 --> 02:03:46.720
<v Speaker 1>it was. But the name of a people. To sum up,

2488
02:03:46.880 --> 02:03:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Tamarasset is a place populated by the Torreg people, not

2489
02:03:51.159 --> 02:03:54.560
<v Speaker 1>a place located in the Torrid or Torreg region.

2490
02:03:55.680 --> 02:03:59.920
<v Speaker 2>So here we have a map again, Algeria is this Tamarasset,

2491
02:04:00.279 --> 02:04:06.000
<v Speaker 2>And apparently tau Regg is a tribe that lives there.

2492
02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:08.359
<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean tribe to make it sound like

2493
02:04:08.479 --> 02:04:11.520
<v Speaker 2>it's not to undercut by any means. But again, a

2494
02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:15.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of air nations are extremely clandestine and their tribal

2495
02:04:16.520 --> 02:04:18.000
<v Speaker 2>belonging means a lot to them.

2496
02:04:19.359 --> 02:04:22.600
<v Speaker 1>To pull out my Matthew Lillard from the first screen movie.

2497
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<v Speaker 1>But wait, there's more, not long or not too long

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<v Speaker 1>after the House of Common Speech, the Yeoman Yuri Shimbun

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02:04:30.119 --> 02:04:33.359
<v Speaker 1>article and the fbis broadcast a Canadian paper, a tabloid

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02:04:33.399 --> 02:04:36.079
<v Speaker 1>based out of Vancouver, the Province, picked up the story.

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02:04:36.119 --> 02:04:39.119
<v Speaker 1>On August fifteenth, nineteen sixty, an article titled Man with

2502
02:04:39.199 --> 02:04:42.239
<v Speaker 1>his Own Country appeared on page four detailing exploits and

2503
02:04:42.279 --> 02:04:46.159
<v Speaker 1>adventures of John Allen Coucher Zegris as he's identified. The article,

2504
02:04:46.199 --> 02:04:49.119
<v Speaker 1>which was first connected to the Bigger Picture by Nataniel Anatole,

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02:04:49.479 --> 02:04:54.359
<v Speaker 1>including the following information about Zegris so in quotes. John

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02:04:54.439 --> 02:04:57.920
<v Speaker 1>claimed to be a naturalized Ethiopian and an intelligence agent

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02:04:57.960 --> 02:05:01.680
<v Speaker 1>for Colonel Nassar. The passport was stamped as issued at Tamarasset,

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02:05:01.840 --> 02:05:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the capital of Torrid south of the Sahara. Any places

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02:05:05.000 --> 02:05:07.720
<v Speaker 1>so romantically named ought to exist, but they don't. John

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02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Allen Coocherzegris invented them. This information matches that that contained

2511
02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:16.479
<v Speaker 1>within Matthew's speech, with some slight alterations. On the plus side,

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02:05:16.520 --> 02:05:19.479
<v Speaker 1>Tama Rossett is spelled correctly this time. However, it's still

2513
02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:22.000
<v Speaker 1>mistakenly referred to as the capital of a region rather

2514
02:05:22.079 --> 02:05:25.319
<v Speaker 1>than a place populated by a specific people. But the

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02:05:25.439 --> 02:05:28.880
<v Speaker 1>main thing to notice is this what Matthew called Torrid

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02:05:28.960 --> 02:05:31.840
<v Speaker 1>has now been rendered as tor Red, so instead of

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<v Speaker 1>t ua r Id.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be t ua r Ed exactly. And again,

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02:05:37.800 --> 02:05:41.119
<v Speaker 2>we did read that entire article just a few minutes ago,

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02:05:41.319 --> 02:05:42.399
<v Speaker 2>but let's continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not exactly difficult to see how one might

2522
02:05:45.319 --> 02:05:48.279
<v Speaker 1>get from tor Red to tour Red, is it? So

2523
02:05:49.000 --> 02:05:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that's where you come into a parallel universe and a

2524
02:05:51.880 --> 02:05:55.439
<v Speaker 1>locked room mystery or how fact becomes fishing. But wait,

2525
02:05:55.520 --> 02:05:58.640
<v Speaker 1>there's even more, as anatotally pointed out and a Reddit

2526
02:05:58.720 --> 02:06:04.039
<v Speaker 1>post in twenty twenty. Story appears in several of Jacques

2527
02:06:04.439 --> 02:06:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Jacques Burgear's books, which were primarily published in the nineteen

2528
02:06:08.600 --> 02:06:12.359
<v Speaker 1>sixties and seventies. Indeed, Burgear may have been the first

2529
02:06:12.399 --> 02:06:14.399
<v Speaker 1>to introduce some of the elements of the Man from

2530
02:06:14.479 --> 02:06:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Torrid tale, as it was by the time I heard

2531
02:06:17.079 --> 02:06:20.520
<v Speaker 1>about it back in twenty fifteen, and Attioli noted that

2532
02:06:20.680 --> 02:06:23.960
<v Speaker 1>he found reference to Torrid in Burghear's nineteen seventy four

2533
02:06:24.039 --> 02:06:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Mysteries of the Earth book. I believe I was unable

2534
02:06:27.479 --> 02:06:29.520
<v Speaker 1>to get a hold of that particular volume, but I

2535
02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:33.840
<v Speaker 1>did locate extraterrestrial visitations from prehistoric times to the present

2536
02:06:33.920 --> 02:06:37.439
<v Speaker 1>another book, also published in nineteen fifty four, and found

2537
02:06:37.479 --> 02:06:40.920
<v Speaker 1>it to be present there as well. Burgear four What

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02:06:41.039 --> 02:06:46.560
<v Speaker 1>did I Say? Fifty four oh seventy four. Burgear's version

2539
02:06:46.640 --> 02:06:50.079
<v Speaker 1>uses the tor red spelling tua r D as opposed

2540
02:06:50.119 --> 02:06:53.319
<v Speaker 1>to tau r D, but he moves the date of

2541
02:06:53.359 --> 02:06:56.079
<v Speaker 1>the events from fifty nine and sixty to nineteen fifty four,

2542
02:06:56.479 --> 02:06:59.560
<v Speaker 1>when they're typically said to have happened in modern tellings

2543
02:06:59.560 --> 02:07:02.239
<v Speaker 1>of the Ledge, and he introduces the hotel to the story.

2544
02:07:02.640 --> 02:07:05.039
<v Speaker 1>The mystery man doesn't appear from the hotel room, though

2545
02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:09.800
<v Speaker 1>rather he's located within within it when government officials arrived

2546
02:07:09.840 --> 02:07:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to verify his passport. In this telling, the government supposedly

2547
02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:16.039
<v Speaker 1>ordered the passports of all foreigners residing in Japan to

2548
02:07:16.079 --> 02:07:19.079
<v Speaker 1>be verified in response to a series of riots believed

2549
02:07:19.119 --> 02:07:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to have been instigated by foreigners. The mystery man with

2550
02:07:22.359 --> 02:07:25.279
<v Speaker 1>the Torrid passport keeps insisting his story to be true,

2551
02:07:25.520 --> 02:07:28.119
<v Speaker 1>although he is unable to convince anyone to believe him.

2552
02:07:28.319 --> 02:07:32.680
<v Speaker 1>He has eventually left. He is eventually left in quotes,

2553
02:07:32.880 --> 02:07:36.399
<v Speaker 1>shut up in a Japanese psychiatric hospital end quotes per

2554
02:07:36.560 --> 02:07:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Burgear's version of the story, where I assume we're meant

2555
02:07:39.079 --> 02:07:45.439
<v Speaker 1>to believe he has remained ever since. Okay, interesting, So

2556
02:07:45.680 --> 02:07:49.600
<v Speaker 1>tour Red finally became Torrid in Colin Wilson and John

2557
02:07:49.640 --> 02:07:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Grant's nineteen eighty one book called The Directory of Possibilities,

2558
02:07:52.680 --> 02:07:55.520
<v Speaker 1>although as I previously noted, there's just a simple or

2559
02:07:55.640 --> 02:07:58.520
<v Speaker 1>just a single sentence mentioning the story there in quotes

2560
02:07:58.800 --> 02:08:01.560
<v Speaker 1>and in nineteen fifty four, passport check in Japan is

2561
02:08:01.680 --> 02:08:04.079
<v Speaker 1>alleged to have produced demand with papers issued by the

2562
02:08:04.159 --> 02:08:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Nation of Torrid end quotes, and sometimes sometime between then

2563
02:08:08.520 --> 02:08:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and roughly twenty thirteen the story had developed into what

2564
02:08:11.399 --> 02:08:14.840
<v Speaker 1>we would eventually come to know as the full Man

2565
02:08:14.960 --> 02:08:18.319
<v Speaker 1>from Torrid incident, featuring the locked hotel room element, the

2566
02:08:18.439 --> 02:08:21.840
<v Speaker 1>mysterious vanishing, and the proposal of a parallel universe being

2567
02:08:21.920 --> 02:08:25.800
<v Speaker 1>at play. I know nineteen eighty one to twenty thirteen

2568
02:08:25.920 --> 02:08:28.720
<v Speaker 1>is a long gap. Unfortunately I don't have the resources

2569
02:08:28.800 --> 02:08:31.159
<v Speaker 1>needed available to me in order to trace exactly what

2570
02:08:31.279 --> 02:08:33.479
<v Speaker 1>happened in a tale during that space of time. I

2571
02:08:33.520 --> 02:08:37.479
<v Speaker 1>would imagine, though, that it developed much the way every

2572
02:08:37.600 --> 02:08:41.319
<v Speaker 1>urban legend does, with the story getting passed on from

2573
02:08:41.359 --> 02:08:44.840
<v Speaker 1>storyteller to storyteller, each embellishing it a little as they

2574
02:08:44.960 --> 02:08:48.000
<v Speaker 1>told it, until eventually it made it made its way

2575
02:08:48.039 --> 02:08:49.119
<v Speaker 1>onto the Internet.

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02:08:50.520 --> 02:08:52.279
<v Speaker 3>Fair enough, possibly.

2577
02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Thanks to the legwork of researchers Nathaniel and Atotally ananyj,

2578
02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Julia Lewis, and Terry Iachi. Though it does seem pretty

2579
02:09:03.960 --> 02:09:07.039
<v Speaker 1>indisputable that the Man from Toward urban legend did in

2580
02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:09.760
<v Speaker 1>fact grow out of the real life story of John Zegris.

2581
02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:12.079
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't a man from a parallel universe. He was

2582
02:09:12.279 --> 02:09:14.960
<v Speaker 1>just your run of the mill con man. I often

2583
02:09:15.039 --> 02:09:17.479
<v Speaker 1>say that some mysteries are better left unsolved. But this

2584
02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:20.760
<v Speaker 1>time I'd argue that it paid off for me. The

2585
02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:23.000
<v Speaker 1>story of how the mystery got solved is just as

2586
02:09:23.039 --> 02:09:26.600
<v Speaker 1>fascinating as the story told within the legend itself. Now, then,

2587
02:09:26.760 --> 02:09:28.960
<v Speaker 1>who's up for a trip? The whole wide world is

2588
02:09:29.000 --> 02:09:32.199
<v Speaker 1>waiting as long as you've got as long as you've

2589
02:09:32.239 --> 02:09:33.600
<v Speaker 1>got your passport handy.

2590
02:09:33.760 --> 02:09:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Nice indeed, So this is kind of where we're at

2591
02:09:38.239 --> 02:09:43.520
<v Speaker 2>with it all. I do, in fact, believe that you

2592
02:09:43.760 --> 02:09:50.079
<v Speaker 2>know a little bit. However, in a weird turn of events,

2593
02:09:50.279 --> 02:09:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I should bring this up from the urban legend, the

2594
02:09:55.159 --> 02:09:57.479
<v Speaker 2>spot that the man pointed to on the map of

2595
02:09:57.560 --> 02:10:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Andorra right the small my growth state for lack of

2596
02:10:01.279 --> 02:10:05.279
<v Speaker 2>better words, between France and Spain. What if I tell

2597
02:10:05.319 --> 02:10:08.800
<v Speaker 2>you that there is in fact a section of it

2598
02:10:09.439 --> 02:10:10.520
<v Speaker 2>called Torrid.

2599
02:10:12.199 --> 02:10:14.640
<v Speaker 1>That would be an interesting turn of events.

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02:10:15.600 --> 02:10:17.840
<v Speaker 2>So right here, I have a YouTube clip pulled up

2601
02:10:17.840 --> 02:10:20.600
<v Speaker 2>and it shows and Dora on the map, which anybody

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02:10:20.640 --> 02:10:23.720
<v Speaker 2>could look up. This Torred is spelled t a U

2603
02:10:24.119 --> 02:10:27.279
<v Speaker 2>R e ed, which again was when it made its conversion.

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02:10:28.439 --> 02:10:34.119
<v Speaker 3>Watch this dude. Sorry about the music on this one.

2605
02:10:34.119 --> 02:10:35.159
<v Speaker 3>I didn't choose it, but.

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02:10:40.479 --> 02:10:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Torred is a spot. It actually does exist. This building

2607
02:10:48.439 --> 02:10:52.079
<v Speaker 2>which I don't. I don't really know what the building

2608
02:10:52.520 --> 02:10:54.960
<v Speaker 2>is per se. I don't know if this is a

2609
02:10:55.239 --> 02:10:59.680
<v Speaker 2>government building or if this is what. But the fact

2610
02:10:59.800 --> 02:11:04.439
<v Speaker 2>is that Taurrid does in fact exist within the region

2611
02:11:04.560 --> 02:11:06.720
<v Speaker 2>that he pointed to on the map, according to the

2612
02:11:06.920 --> 02:11:07.600
<v Speaker 2>urban legend.

2613
02:11:08.560 --> 02:11:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, damn, now I'm interested in what that place actually is.

2614
02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:14.079
<v Speaker 1>I tried looking it up, dude, and I couldn't get

2615
02:11:14.079 --> 02:11:14.960
<v Speaker 1>a street view on it.

2616
02:11:17.199 --> 02:11:19.880
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, again, we don't know if that building

2617
02:11:20.000 --> 02:11:22.760
<v Speaker 2>is a more modern building that was only built in

2618
02:11:22.800 --> 02:11:24.760
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of decades, or if it does pre

2619
02:11:24.880 --> 02:11:25.479
<v Speaker 2>date back.

2620
02:11:25.359 --> 02:11:27.760
<v Speaker 3>To the nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties or whatever else.

2621
02:11:28.600 --> 02:11:32.720
<v Speaker 1>But what an interesting coincidence it would be. Then do

2622
02:11:32.920 --> 02:11:37.880
<v Speaker 1>we believe in those though I generally don't know.

2623
02:11:39.439 --> 02:11:40.800
<v Speaker 3>This is where I'm at with the dude.

2624
02:11:40.880 --> 02:11:45.720
<v Speaker 2>So again, John Allen kuchar Zegris, And yeah, this name

2625
02:11:45.760 --> 02:11:48.520
<v Speaker 2>has been taken quite a few different directions and in

2626
02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:51.399
<v Speaker 2>quite a few different ways. Here we already talked about

2627
02:11:51.399 --> 02:11:55.039
<v Speaker 2>the urban legends, we talked about the whole backstory to

2628
02:11:55.199 --> 02:11:58.199
<v Speaker 2>it all. Here's the deal, and this is kind of

2629
02:11:58.199 --> 02:12:00.920
<v Speaker 2>where I'm at with it. I'm not even saying that

2630
02:12:01.439 --> 02:12:04.199
<v Speaker 2>was he a fraudster, sure, no doubt, but I think

2631
02:12:04.239 --> 02:12:05.840
<v Speaker 2>there might be a little bit more to the story

2632
02:12:06.039 --> 02:12:08.640
<v Speaker 2>than what we originally hear when we think of that, Okay,

2633
02:12:08.800 --> 02:12:12.119
<v Speaker 2>he was just traveling and cashing fake checks, and he

2634
02:12:12.279 --> 02:12:15.039
<v Speaker 2>was just on a on a mission to tour the

2635
02:12:15.119 --> 02:12:19.279
<v Speaker 2>world for free and all these things. It's very interesting

2636
02:12:19.359 --> 02:12:22.680
<v Speaker 2>to me that he claimed to be a roaming ambassador,

2637
02:12:23.279 --> 02:12:26.520
<v Speaker 2>which like, especially if you're claiming to be an ambassador

2638
02:12:27.159 --> 02:12:31.239
<v Speaker 2>from Ethiopia, you realize that Japan has a line of

2639
02:12:31.279 --> 02:12:33.880
<v Speaker 2>communication with Ethiopia. They could have just picked up the

2640
02:12:33.920 --> 02:12:39.159
<v Speaker 2>phone and called the Ethiopian Foreign Affairs minister and asked him, Hey,

2641
02:12:39.239 --> 02:12:42.720
<v Speaker 2>is this your guy? But so many countries never did.

2642
02:12:43.239 --> 02:12:45.239
<v Speaker 2>They just rolled out the red carpet for him and

2643
02:12:45.880 --> 02:12:48.600
<v Speaker 2>let him through. Cause why would why would somebody lie

2644
02:12:48.640 --> 02:12:50.479
<v Speaker 2>about that? Why would some io I lie about being

2645
02:12:50.520 --> 02:12:55.600
<v Speaker 2>an ambassador from you know, Algeria, Ethiopia, Egypt for on

2646
02:12:55.760 --> 02:12:57.399
<v Speaker 2>behalf of the Arab coalition?

2647
02:12:57.640 --> 02:13:01.439
<v Speaker 3>Who would lie about that? It nobody really questioned it.

2648
02:13:02.399 --> 02:13:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I think it's more than probable, especially whenever he brought

2649
02:13:06.319 --> 02:13:08.640
<v Speaker 2>up the name of Colonel Nassar, and then he also

2650
02:13:08.760 --> 02:13:10.399
<v Speaker 2>brought up that he was Ethiopian as well.

2651
02:13:10.399 --> 02:13:12.640
<v Speaker 3>And like I said, this wasn't a.

2652
02:13:14.119 --> 02:13:17.640
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't without its controversy during this time, right, especially

2653
02:13:17.680 --> 02:13:20.279
<v Speaker 2>when you keep in mind, so Israel was founded in

2654
02:13:20.399 --> 02:13:23.479
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty eight, they had a six day war that

2655
02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:26.680
<v Speaker 2>took place. Egypt was a part of that, and this

2656
02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:30.399
<v Speaker 2>guy's claiming to be working on behalf of Colonel Nassar.

2657
02:13:31.720 --> 02:13:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that he might have been a spy for

2658
02:13:35.760 --> 02:13:38.319
<v Speaker 2>lack of better words, And I think that because he

2659
02:13:38.439 --> 02:13:40.800
<v Speaker 2>was a spy from a country that was broke as fuck,

2660
02:13:41.399 --> 02:13:43.920
<v Speaker 2>that he was forging checks to get from.

2661
02:13:43.880 --> 02:13:44.760
<v Speaker 3>Point A to point B.

2662
02:13:45.560 --> 02:13:48.359
<v Speaker 2>I think that he was also a master forger, and

2663
02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:50.439
<v Speaker 2>that that was a part of him being a spy

2664
02:13:51.359 --> 02:13:54.760
<v Speaker 2>for whom, for what purpose? Why was he going to Tokyo?

2665
02:13:55.960 --> 02:13:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Your guess is as good as mine. It's all within

2666
02:13:58.840 --> 02:14:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the realm of hypothetical and speculation and all of this.

2667
02:14:02.359 --> 02:14:05.279
<v Speaker 2>But for him to go to the levels that he

2668
02:14:05.439 --> 02:14:08.560
<v Speaker 2>did and then walk away scott free. You just tried

2669
02:14:08.600 --> 02:14:16.039
<v Speaker 2>to defund or to basically defraud, two major bank institutions.

2670
02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:18.720
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it was only for a few thousand dollars, fine,

2671
02:14:19.640 --> 02:14:21.760
<v Speaker 2>But the fact is that you just tried to commit

2672
02:14:21.880 --> 02:14:26.520
<v Speaker 2>international fraud and lied about who you were lied about

2673
02:14:26.520 --> 02:14:29.239
<v Speaker 2>a passport, all these things. If somebody was to do

2674
02:14:29.359 --> 02:14:31.840
<v Speaker 2>that these days, dude, they would immediately be brought down

2675
02:14:31.880 --> 02:14:34.720
<v Speaker 2>for terrorism, Like, without question, that's it.

2676
02:14:35.720 --> 02:14:37.640
<v Speaker 3>This guy basically walked out scott free.

2677
02:14:38.359 --> 02:14:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering did the Japanese government receive a phone call

2678
02:14:42.000 --> 02:14:44.560
<v Speaker 2>from somebody from some unnamed country.

2679
02:14:44.279 --> 02:14:46.399
<v Speaker 3>And say, Hey, you're gonna release that guy.

2680
02:14:47.279 --> 02:14:49.359
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna get on a plane, he's gonna come back home,

2681
02:14:49.439 --> 02:14:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and you're just gonna not talk about it, which would

2682
02:14:51.920 --> 02:14:55.560
<v Speaker 2>also lead more credence to why Japan wouldn't publicize this.

2683
02:14:57.479 --> 02:15:00.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, look good cult members. I mean, I guess

2684
02:15:00.520 --> 02:15:02.920
<v Speaker 1>it's up to speculation. Do you think that he was

2685
02:15:03.399 --> 02:15:06.239
<v Speaker 1>just a you know, a con artist doing it on

2686
02:15:06.319 --> 02:15:09.239
<v Speaker 1>his own accord? Was he trying to get rich because

2687
02:15:09.319 --> 02:15:13.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, he was frauding some money out right, like

2688
02:15:13.680 --> 02:15:18.560
<v Speaker 1>he was basically stealing money. And I mean, but there

2689
02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:21.600
<v Speaker 1>seems to be a lot to this story that I

2690
02:15:21.680 --> 02:15:23.199
<v Speaker 1>think I just need to take a little time to

2691
02:15:23.239 --> 02:15:25.239
<v Speaker 1>think about for a little bit, because I guess it

2692
02:15:25.359 --> 02:15:27.319
<v Speaker 1>does make sense that he would be a spy, but

2693
02:15:27.399 --> 02:15:29.199
<v Speaker 1>it would also make sense that he would be doing

2694
02:15:29.239 --> 02:15:32.279
<v Speaker 1>it on his own accord as well. So and if

2695
02:15:32.319 --> 02:15:35.880
<v Speaker 1>that's the case, I mean, just how many times did

2696
02:15:35.960 --> 02:15:37.039
<v Speaker 1>he get away with it?

2697
02:15:37.520 --> 02:15:37.680
<v Speaker 4>You know?

2698
02:15:37.920 --> 02:15:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Like and as far as the different passport stamps, I

2699
02:15:41.520 --> 02:15:44.520
<v Speaker 1>almost wonder if he ever even actually got through or

2700
02:15:44.560 --> 02:15:46.920
<v Speaker 1>if that was part of the fraud as well. You know,

2701
02:15:47.119 --> 02:15:49.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how hard would it be to just go

2702
02:15:49.600 --> 02:15:53.640
<v Speaker 1>to an airport and you know, grab the the person

2703
02:15:55.039 --> 02:15:58.199
<v Speaker 1>checking people on, just to grab their attention from somebody else,

2704
02:15:58.239 --> 02:16:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and somebody else takes the passport stamp, you know what

2705
02:16:00.720 --> 02:16:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean? Or I mean because usually I mean, fuck,

2706
02:16:03.560 --> 02:16:06.520
<v Speaker 1>you just brought up an abag nail. He was printing

2707
02:16:06.640 --> 02:16:08.560
<v Speaker 1>like real money, you know what I mean, Like, how

2708
02:16:08.680 --> 02:16:10.880
<v Speaker 1>hard could it be to like forge a stamp?

2709
02:16:12.039 --> 02:16:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely right? And that's very possible too. But keep in

2710
02:16:15.399 --> 02:16:17.960
<v Speaker 2>mind he also had foreign money in his pocket. Now

2711
02:16:18.039 --> 02:16:20.279
<v Speaker 2>that's not crazy, right, You can go to a bank

2712
02:16:20.319 --> 02:16:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and exchange depending on where you go, Like I know

2713
02:16:22.920 --> 02:16:24.800
<v Speaker 2>in Washington, DC, when you would go to the mall,

2714
02:16:25.119 --> 02:16:28.319
<v Speaker 2>there was a whole kiosk there just to transfer foreign

2715
02:16:28.399 --> 02:16:31.039
<v Speaker 2>money to US dollars so that you could go shop. Right,

2716
02:16:31.119 --> 02:16:33.760
<v Speaker 2>It's very very possible that he went to a very

2717
02:16:34.280 --> 02:16:38.200
<v Speaker 2>similar spot in Tokyo and transferred and got you know

2718
02:16:38.440 --> 02:16:41.920
<v Speaker 2>x amount of dollars worth of francs and of German

2719
02:16:42.040 --> 02:16:44.000
<v Speaker 2>marks and of whatever. Because keep in mind, this is

2720
02:16:44.040 --> 02:16:47.120
<v Speaker 2>before the euro was a thing. The European Union was

2721
02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:48.920
<v Speaker 2>only founded in the early nineties. I want to say

2722
02:16:48.959 --> 02:16:52.360
<v Speaker 2>ninety three, memory serves me right. So back in these days,

2723
02:16:52.479 --> 02:16:56.399
<v Speaker 2>each individual country had their own individual money. It's possible

2724
02:16:56.399 --> 02:16:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that he went to a money exchanger and got all

2725
02:16:59.399 --> 02:17:03.799
<v Speaker 2>these dollar bills. It's also possible that he got through

2726
02:17:03.920 --> 02:17:07.879
<v Speaker 2>security in all of these other countries throughout the Arab world,

2727
02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:10.639
<v Speaker 2>throughout Europe, was able to bring back all these stories

2728
02:17:10.680 --> 02:17:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and these passports and all this shit. It's possible that

2729
02:17:13.920 --> 02:17:16.799
<v Speaker 2>he was so good at forgery that he actually made

2730
02:17:16.840 --> 02:17:19.120
<v Speaker 2>it through so many of them. And I guess Tokyo

2731
02:17:19.319 --> 02:17:20.760
<v Speaker 2>was just the one spot that was like, hey, wait

2732
02:17:20.760 --> 02:17:22.360
<v Speaker 2>a minute, homy, let me talk to you for a

2733
02:17:22.399 --> 02:17:22.799
<v Speaker 2>little minute.

2734
02:17:22.799 --> 02:17:23.200
<v Speaker 3>What is this?

2735
02:17:23.639 --> 02:17:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Why is this thing the size of a magazine. That's

2736
02:17:26.200 --> 02:17:28.559
<v Speaker 2>not what passports are. Oh, well, in my home country,

2737
02:17:28.600 --> 02:17:30.760
<v Speaker 2>all of them are like that. And it's like, and

2738
02:17:30.959 --> 02:17:31.840
<v Speaker 2>what country is that?

2739
02:17:32.360 --> 02:17:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh, Torrid obviously never heard of the Kingdom of Torrid.

2740
02:17:36.280 --> 02:17:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Bro No, I haven't. I meant I am a roaming

2741
02:17:39.520 --> 02:17:44.079
<v Speaker 2>ambassador from Egypt. I'm working for Colonel Nasser even though

2742
02:17:44.079 --> 02:17:45.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm from Ethiopia.

2743
02:17:46.120 --> 02:17:46.239
<v Speaker 5>Bro.

2744
02:17:46.399 --> 02:17:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Wait, wait, wait, back back then, what are you talking about.

2745
02:17:48.920 --> 02:17:49.399
<v Speaker 3>Don't worry.

2746
02:17:49.520 --> 02:17:53.559
<v Speaker 2>I am a roaming ambassador and this is an international charge.

2747
02:17:53.719 --> 02:17:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna sue you for a million dollars if you

2748
02:17:55.319 --> 02:17:56.399
<v Speaker 2>don't release me right now.

2749
02:17:56.680 --> 02:18:01.440
<v Speaker 3>It's like, let's it's like a little walk, buddy, let's

2750
02:18:01.520 --> 02:18:03.680
<v Speaker 3>let's have a little chat. I could see that being

2751
02:18:03.760 --> 02:18:04.280
<v Speaker 3>the case too.

2752
02:18:04.440 --> 02:18:06.479
<v Speaker 1>And some people are so good at lying to convince

2753
02:18:06.520 --> 02:18:10.840
<v Speaker 1>themselves that the lie is true, you know. So I

2754
02:18:10.879 --> 02:18:14.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Some people live crazy lives through crazy perspectives

2755
02:18:14.280 --> 02:18:18.360
<v Speaker 1>of which we're never gonna fully understand, you know, like

2756
02:18:18.520 --> 02:18:23.120
<v Speaker 1>in the to to like take a walk inside somebody

2757
02:18:23.239 --> 02:18:26.000
<v Speaker 1>else's mind, even just a normal person, bro, Like you

2758
02:18:26.079 --> 02:18:31.360
<v Speaker 1>know how shocking the world would would be so different,

2759
02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:35.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, just if you were to, you know, essentially

2760
02:18:35.639 --> 02:18:40.399
<v Speaker 1>like put your consciousness inside the mind of another human, right.

2761
02:18:40.399 --> 02:18:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Likedy, shit, dude, fuck you know what I mean.

2762
02:18:44.879 --> 02:18:48.959
<v Speaker 1>It'd be crazy. But yeah, dude, I don't know. I'm

2763
02:18:48.959 --> 02:18:50.719
<v Speaker 1>inclined to believe that he was some sort of spy.

2764
02:18:52.079 --> 02:18:54.959
<v Speaker 1>Good cult members let us know. There are several ways

2765
02:18:55.000 --> 02:18:55.360
<v Speaker 1>that you can.

2766
02:18:55.520 --> 02:18:55.959
<v Speaker 3>Let us know.

2767
02:18:56.239 --> 02:18:58.399
<v Speaker 1>One of the best places is over at Patreon, as

2768
02:18:58.479 --> 02:19:00.440
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned earlier, but there's a couple of other ways

2769
02:19:00.479 --> 02:19:01.159
<v Speaker 1>to do it as well.

2770
02:19:01.840 --> 02:19:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, as we were talking about, you know, defrauding banks

2771
02:19:05.360 --> 02:19:07.360
<v Speaker 2>and things like that, listen, we know we don't trust

2772
02:19:07.440 --> 02:19:07.799
<v Speaker 2>the banks.

2773
02:19:08.040 --> 02:19:10.399
<v Speaker 3>We never have trusted the banks. That old you're old.

2774
02:19:10.479 --> 02:19:12.239
<v Speaker 2>You're Paul, Paul that used to bury his money in

2775
02:19:12.280 --> 02:19:15.120
<v Speaker 2>the backyard because he won't be trusting them bank institutions. Listen,

2776
02:19:15.159 --> 02:19:17.280
<v Speaker 2>whether you want to acknowledge it or not, Papaul was

2777
02:19:17.360 --> 02:19:19.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of on one. Okay, he knew a thing or

2778
02:19:19.200 --> 02:19:20.879
<v Speaker 2>two about a thing or two because he lived through

2779
02:19:20.920 --> 02:19:23.799
<v Speaker 2>the Great Depression. He had seen the hard times, and

2780
02:19:23.879 --> 02:19:27.360
<v Speaker 2>those hard times are coming. It's mathematical facts. And before

2781
02:19:27.440 --> 02:19:29.479
<v Speaker 2>you get your money all wrapped up in the digital

2782
02:19:29.520 --> 02:19:31.440
<v Speaker 2>currency and the crypton and all these things, listen, do.

2783
02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:32.440
<v Speaker 3>What you're gonna do with your money.

2784
02:19:32.440 --> 02:19:35.559
<v Speaker 2>I get that, But when our economic system falls, you're

2785
02:19:35.559 --> 02:19:38.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna want some sort of a tangible thing in your

2786
02:19:38.959 --> 02:19:41.840
<v Speaker 2>pocket that's worth some money. Right, whether it's in the

2787
02:19:41.879 --> 02:19:44.200
<v Speaker 2>gun safe and your bank safety deposit box or in

2788
02:19:44.280 --> 02:19:47.120
<v Speaker 2>fact buried in your backyard, you're gonna want some sort

2789
02:19:47.120 --> 02:19:50.000
<v Speaker 2>of a tangible thing that is worth some real value.

2790
02:19:50.040 --> 02:19:52.479
<v Speaker 2>When the time comes, talk to your financial advisor and

2791
02:19:52.520 --> 02:19:54.639
<v Speaker 2>ask them what they think about precious metals, the silver,

2792
02:19:54.840 --> 02:19:57.559
<v Speaker 2>the gold, the platinum, all these things, and I guarantee

2793
02:19:57.559 --> 02:19:59.319
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna tell you that it's a pretty wise investment

2794
02:19:59.360 --> 02:20:01.840
<v Speaker 2>for at least a port your retirement portfolio. And the

2795
02:20:01.920 --> 02:20:03.559
<v Speaker 2>best place to get your start in the buying and

2796
02:20:03.639 --> 02:20:05.520
<v Speaker 2>selling of gold and silver, boy, you would be to

2797
02:20:05.600 --> 02:20:07.959
<v Speaker 2>go to the link in the description below to cecsilver

2798
02:20:08.319 --> 02:20:10.799
<v Speaker 2>dot com when you fill out your information. Our homeboy,

2799
02:20:10.840 --> 02:20:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Clark's gonna be the one to reach out to

2800
02:20:12.280 --> 02:20:13.440
<v Speaker 2>you and get you squared away. Do you want to

2801
02:20:13.479 --> 02:20:14.719
<v Speaker 2>buy a little bit, you want to buy a lot

2802
02:20:14.799 --> 02:20:16.760
<v Speaker 2>of bit, whatever the case may be. Do you want

2803
02:20:16.760 --> 02:20:19.440
<v Speaker 2>to become a distributor of silver and gold? Your damn self.

2804
02:20:19.760 --> 02:20:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Wayne is gonna be the guy to talk to you

2805
02:20:21.239 --> 02:20:24.239
<v Speaker 2>about all these things. Once again, talk to your financial advisor,

2806
02:20:24.360 --> 02:20:26.959
<v Speaker 2>talk to your CPA, your account and whatever. Ask them

2807
02:20:27.000 --> 02:20:28.600
<v Speaker 2>what they think about it. Don't just take my word

2808
02:20:28.680 --> 02:20:31.200
<v Speaker 2>for it, take their word for it. Gold is over

2809
02:20:31.280 --> 02:20:34.040
<v Speaker 2>three thousand dollars an ounce. It's very expensive. Not everybody's

2810
02:20:34.120 --> 02:20:35.959
<v Speaker 2>just got that burning a hole in their pocket, and

2811
02:20:35.959 --> 02:20:39.840
<v Speaker 2>that's asking for an ounce of gold. However, silver is

2812
02:20:39.920 --> 02:20:42.799
<v Speaker 2>still affordable. It's still attainable for your average Joe. Blow

2813
02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:45.600
<v Speaker 2>before it's skyrockets to a level that you'll never be

2814
02:20:45.639 --> 02:20:46.319
<v Speaker 2>able to afford.

2815
02:20:46.680 --> 02:20:49.319
<v Speaker 3>Get some now once again. Link is in the description

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02:20:49.479 --> 02:20:50.600
<v Speaker 3>ccsilver dot com.

2817
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<v Speaker 2>But, like Jonathan was saying, a way that you could

2818
02:20:53.360 --> 02:20:55.120
<v Speaker 2>let us know what you think about the man from

2819
02:20:55.159 --> 02:20:57.280
<v Speaker 2>tour it is he a time traveler? Is it a

2820
02:20:57.360 --> 02:21:00.840
<v Speaker 2>parallel universe type of situation? Is it an international spy?

2821
02:21:01.159 --> 02:21:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Is he an absolute fraud and a charlatan? Listen, we

2822
02:21:04.120 --> 02:21:06.120
<v Speaker 2>want to hear from you. The best place to let

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02:21:06.200 --> 02:21:09.280
<v Speaker 2>us know where would be too Please hit the five story,

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02:21:09.360 --> 02:21:11.159
<v Speaker 2>hit the shares, the lights, scrites, comments, leave a post,

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<v Speaker 2>reviewers shares, hit their friends and family, shares everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Here is the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>The more activity the algorithms across all of our listening platforms,

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02:21:17.600 --> 02:21:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the more we get promoted, the more potential.

2829
02:21:19.000 --> 02:21:21.159
<v Speaker 3>Listeners who could that become potential cult members. But the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of you, fine ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you ready go check out the metabistics Jonons

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<v Speaker 2>of the show and getting the same love of respect

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<v Speaker 2>over there with the five star reviews and the positivity.

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<v Speaker 3>In the comments. Come check out the Cage to Night.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, come join you to listen more individual patrons that

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<v Speaker 3>Links to those are in the description as well. And

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02:21:36.719 --> 02:21:38.520
<v Speaker 3>we thank you. Everybody's already gone and done so.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that being said, this was another beautiful episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cults of Conspiracy. And my name's Jonathan, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jack And there's one very important, sure, the vital piece

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<v Speaker 1>as human as possible.

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