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Speaker 1: What was this wild ride? How would you describe your
Speaker 1: shake up in one word? Extremely long yell, chaotic, chaotic.
Speaker 1: I'd say it was franendetic, useless. I don't know what
Speaker 1: purpose that tournament solved apart from feeding into egos of
Speaker 1: you know, people at the power right Where was the
Speaker 1: cricket there? It was disappointing. Yeah, as we returned to,
Speaker 1: you know, another episode of Sledging Room, plenty of action
Speaker 1: going on last week. This Asia Cup got over finally
Speaker 1: Earlier this week. The Women's World Cup starts on Tuesday
Speaker 1: and the India West Indies Test Series in Nepal beating
Speaker 1: West Indies. But you know, it's impossible to look past
Speaker 1: Asia Cup for this episode, right because you know, we
Speaker 1: all thought that India would be a dominant side and
Speaker 1: the race for the next best is what the Asia
Speaker 1: Cup was all about but even that didn't happen properly.
Speaker 1: India themselves weren't at the one hundred percent but still
Speaker 1: managed to win the trophy. But all that that happened
Speaker 1: around the tournament, how should we look at it? Like?
Speaker 1: Is this how it's gonna be from now on?
Speaker 3: I think that is going to be the reality.
Speaker 4: The new reality is going to be the fact that
Speaker 4: India versus Paristan games are always going to have something. Earlier,
Speaker 4: it was always about the cricket and the rivalry. The
Speaker 4: rivalry is like I think for a lot of players
Speaker 4: it is over. At least for the Indian players it
Speaker 4: is over. Pithan players are doing their bit to keep
Speaker 4: it alive. But I think going forward, this is going
Speaker 4: to be the new reality where India Powistan game is
Speaker 4: always going to have something and something for us basically
Speaker 4: to keep us on arctos and not much for the players.
Speaker 4: I guess the players will go about with their business.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is going to be the new reality
Speaker 4: for the facts.
Speaker 1: But when you say not much for the players, like
Speaker 1: have have they been so open about all these things
Speaker 1: in the past. Yes, India played matches when there was
Speaker 1: cross bought attentions like even the such intentnal because the
Speaker 1: Sunies all of them played. But where they're so open
Speaker 1: about making gestures and all that in the past, I
Speaker 1: don't think so.
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at this was twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: You've had Shainsha Friedi come and gift Bumrah some presents
Speaker 4: after his son was born. You had Hi I think,
Speaker 4: Shadhab Khan and Kohali cracking a joke and they were
Speaker 4: all laughing when the rain was hitting in.
Speaker 3: I think Colombo, I guess, yeah, so that was then.
Speaker 3: Now when you look at it, are there any any
Speaker 3: kind of friendships or anything that is being shown none.
Speaker 3: You've had Abishik Sharma go out and troll Shainsha Fridi.
Speaker 4: You have had Bumrah go out and gesture towards Harris rap.
Speaker 4: It has been all over the place. And like I said,
Speaker 4: this is a new reality and forfund.
Speaker 1: Actually all on one side, all of that I'm actually
Speaker 1: fine with. I thought Actually's question was about the standard
Speaker 1: of decorum that India and Pakistan is going to have.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with all of that. Abishtrolling, shy in players
Speaker 1: going up to each other. Harry is doing this giving
Speaker 1: back to him as a reply, all of that's fine.
Speaker 1: I think all of that is fine, making such provacative gestures. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like on the field of cricket, if you are
Speaker 1: doing a gesture, you're you will be given back. Ye see,
Speaker 1: I understand all that. Yeah, but stop it there, Stop
Speaker 1: it there. You can't control a person's emotions inside the
Speaker 1: field where adrenaline is running high, right, so you never
Speaker 1: know till what part that gesture goes to. Once that
Speaker 1: gesture from Harris Roff was out, he could not take
Speaker 1: it back and he was reminded again and again that
Speaker 1: you know you are done, your team is done. I'm
Speaker 1: fine with all of that. But the question is that
Speaker 1: is this game going to be used for political leverage
Speaker 1: from both sides? That is something that I have I'm
Speaker 1: questioning right now because if they this happens on a
Speaker 1: bigger scale, Asia is a shorter time and like you said,
Speaker 1: say useless tournament supposed to promotation cricket, which it does
Speaker 1: not really do. But what happens when this game goes
Speaker 1: into a bigger and bigger scale. See my question is
Speaker 1: in the past Gambir and Chi have had rollins. Even
Speaker 1: even if such int has had, you know, issues with
Speaker 1: soy burger and all that, and they have exchanged words.
Speaker 1: But to use a military skimmage to just to you know, uh,
Speaker 1: to to indicate that we shot down your jet, you
Speaker 1: shot down my jet, and then to show that you
Speaker 1: have you fire fire gun shots while celebrating all that
Speaker 1: is a reflection of you know, this is becoming nasty
Speaker 1: as in as long as you exchange words, it's financial.
Speaker 1: It's always happens in the sport. You call it heat,
Speaker 1: heat of the moment, so that happens. But when you
Speaker 1: want to mix politics, when you spill that whatever has
Speaker 1: happened outside the and when you bring it to the field,
Speaker 1: that's when it becomes, you know, a problem. It was
Speaker 1: all see. Some may argue that even snubbing handshake was
Speaker 1: not the right thing to do, but as long as
Speaker 1: they didn't hurt anyone. If you look at how the
Speaker 1: Indian players behaved, they did not bring up anything from
Speaker 1: you know, the cross border thanks those underhand you know
Speaker 1: gestures and all that. Yeah, and Harris apparently started that
Speaker 1: in the training session itself. There were reports suggesting that
Speaker 1: some of the Pakistan players were going on about six
Speaker 1: nail six nail and gesturing and stuff. My problem is
Speaker 1: when when it has become ugly, it has become ugly
Speaker 1: and unnecessarily ugly. It didn't need to be this way.
Speaker 1: And I like you reminded about we're at Coliche time,
Speaker 1: when we're at Barber Rizwan, they used to hang out,
Speaker 1: they used to talk. The only one tweet that I
Speaker 1: remember from a Palkistan cricketer was this two shell pass
Speaker 1: Barber putting it to And now now you talk about
Speaker 1: sharing a Ronaldo video accident, I.
Speaker 4: Think it was more more than like how King shuk
Speaker 4: has said, it's when you look at it, it all
Speaker 4: started from there then, sweet No, I'm saying from the
Speaker 4: side of the other side, the Pakistan side, And in
Speaker 4: that case, you're always bound to get it back, like
Speaker 4: how he stated in a field of cricket, you're always
Speaker 4: bound to get things back. In any sport you can
Speaker 4: take it. The more like the adrenaline rush is going
Speaker 4: to be there. But once you get out of it,
Speaker 4: I think it should have stopped. But then the acc chief,
Speaker 4: who is supposed to be a neutral guy in this thing,
Speaker 4: he is going out and then he is putting out
Speaker 4: a tweet of Ronaldo showing this gesture when okay, I
Speaker 4: understand if your team was doing great, your team was
Speaker 4: at the top of the table, and then you're trying
Speaker 4: to mock India, makes a little more sense. Your team
Speaker 4: was at that point in time beaten tune in even
Speaker 4: the third game the final, to be very fair, like
Speaker 4: how Sula Oscar was going about.
Speaker 3: If India had gone about.
Speaker 4: It slowly, I don't think they would have lost a wicket,
Speaker 4: even maybe one or two, they would have won the game.
Speaker 1: On a country, many people say that India we were
Speaker 1: in trouble, but at no point they were in trouted.
Speaker 1: If you understand the game.
Speaker 4: The talent was there to get India out of the contest.
Speaker 4: You had battling til Rinku Sing Who's coming in at
Speaker 4: seven or eight. So the talent was always It was not.
Speaker 1: The twenty for three side that faced twenty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: So that is my whole point, Like your quality of
Speaker 4: cricket is not up to the level of your banter
Speaker 4: that you want to bring to the game, and then
Speaker 4: you're always going to fall put yourself in the morn.
Speaker 1: Even that's fine. Like we have seen lesser fancy teams
Speaker 1: involved in verbal spats. For instance, Bangladesh have always given
Speaker 1: it back to bigger teams, so called bigger teams in
Speaker 1: the in Asia. But when you are being used as
Speaker 1: a political pawn, that's the problem. That's the problem. Your
Speaker 1: boat should protect you. It's not like you should act
Speaker 1: according to what your bout say. And this is where
Speaker 1: I have a major problem with Moss. And also that
Speaker 1: as a SEC head, you are sort of the parent
Speaker 1: figure to this whole Asian team, right whatever it is
Speaker 1: like you are the interim minute minister in Pakistan. Fine,
Speaker 1: that's a part of your job. You are the PCB head,
Speaker 1: that's a part of your job, and a SEC head
Speaker 1: that's a part of your job. Very different jobs. By
Speaker 1: the way, to use his position as personal vendetta against
Speaker 1: the Indian team that had just won the tournament, I
Speaker 1: did not understand at all. See that's a that's a
Speaker 1: bigger issue that he'll come to. It was it was
Speaker 1: funny that like after the final, you all must have
Speaker 1: also watched us and listeners should have also stayed that
Speaker 1: one hour extra to watch that drama unfold, like we
Speaker 1: were all waiting like after the match ended. I think
Speaker 1: we took a break and then we came back and waited.
Speaker 1: We waited, waited for the post match presentation. Even rubbish
Speaker 1: Astree and was Mar were on air.
Speaker 4: They got in no more than I think I saw
Speaker 4: a moment where marm was literally yawning inside the studio.
Speaker 3: He could not just control.
Speaker 1: I think the match ended at around twelve twenty one
Speaker 1: sixteen that presentation, so it was a needless weight. And
Speaker 1: then we get to know that India simol, it's not
Speaker 1: like and that that statement, I think I don't know
Speaker 1: whether ACC had given it to him. That statement said
Speaker 1: India declined to take the prophet so he will not No, no,
Speaker 1: he did not say that said that there would be
Speaker 1: no celebration on the diast tonight, but India.
Speaker 4: Refused to receive that, so they said that India Duel
Speaker 4: said that. Duel said that India will not take the
Speaker 4: trophy today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that. That's all I remember from that. And
Speaker 1: then we get to know that India have refused to
Speaker 1: take it from the a SEC chairman. They were ready
Speaker 1: to take it from the Vice president. But then we
Speaker 1: saw that video of an ACC member running away with
Speaker 1: the trophy, and then we get more details that the
Speaker 1: trophy is hotel room.
Speaker 4: It was so funny because I went to sleep at
Speaker 4: the moment that Simon Dole thing happened. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: tomorrow morning we are going to get statements. Now I
Speaker 4: get two hours of sleep because we had to come
Speaker 4: in at six in the morning.
Speaker 3: To start our work.
Speaker 4: Now I am going through Twitter and I see that
Speaker 4: like this is for the first time ever that an
Speaker 4: a SEC chief is running away with the trophy and
Speaker 4: he's taking it to his hotel room.
Speaker 3: It's unprecedented, but in.
Speaker 1: One way it was the fitting end to the Asia Cup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing tournament finishes with the winning team getting nothing if
Speaker 1: you look at it that way. But but you know
Speaker 1: what King shugire right, You know, at an official capacity,
Speaker 1: say Jasha has been in the official capacity of this
Speaker 1: very very same a SEC never acted in this manner, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there has been a little bit of what do you
Speaker 1: call decency in the way Indian officials have acted in
Speaker 1: the history of cricket tournaments, at least in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: And you one has acted in this manner anyway. We like,
Speaker 1: when Australia won the twenty three World Cup, do you
Speaker 1: use your petty squobble and not give them the trophy?
Speaker 1: What do you do with the Meerico. I can't wrap
Speaker 1: my head around the controversy that India Pakistan have had
Speaker 1: in this entire tournament. You threatened to pull out of
Speaker 1: the tournament midway through the tournament and then you came
Speaker 1: back an hour later. Any other sport, any other tournament,
Speaker 1: there would have been consequences. As we record this episode today,
Speaker 1: Mohunbagan have withdrawn from a CL two. You will find
Speaker 1: consequences from the ACA AFC for this. India will get sanctions.
Speaker 1: But in cricket it's just based on whim Now win
Speaker 1: can be applied to anyone. Jaysha Today the ICC head
Speaker 1: decides culture Pakistan go no money, Who will challenge it?
Speaker 1: Everything will be you unanimous.
Speaker 3: To be fair like how he made.
Speaker 4: There is a lot of slack that goes against a
Speaker 4: guy like Jasha for what he was as the BCCA
Speaker 4: president and his roles in a sec There was always
Speaker 4: that thing where he was people were saying that India were.
Speaker 3: Favored, but he never acted in this way.
Speaker 4: There was never a point where I think Pakistan felt
Speaker 4: marginalized in a tournament. There was never a point where
Speaker 4: Pakistan players felt marginalized. Twenty twenty three World Cup is
Speaker 4: the perfect example. They were they got there, they were.
Speaker 1: Welcome to it so much art by the way, in
Speaker 1: India Hyderabad than all celebrated there. There is nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with having Barbara as much a fair favorite player, right,
Speaker 1: they celebrated, they were loved. Pakistan has shown love. They
Speaker 1: went thrown stones when they were playing in the stadium.
Speaker 1: I don't know what this animosity was about. Even I
Speaker 1: have never had that bigin Iberian tour across India. Pakistan
Speaker 1: went on a Beran tour. Yeah, but yeah, that's the point, right,
Speaker 1: So how can as in I don't know whether there
Speaker 1: should be some action against motion Naqui as far as
Speaker 1: cricket is concerned, but who's going to take that. He's
Speaker 1: the ICC. The ICC should initiate. There's already there was
Speaker 1: the psychia. Bass A secretary spoke to AI the day
Speaker 1: hours after that bullshit happened and he kind of called
Speaker 1: the all that out and he said there will be
Speaker 1: an ICC meeting, ACC meeting also, there will be one
Speaker 1: and we will probably appeal against whatever has happened. You know,
Speaker 1: you know that this can't happen, right have you? In
Speaker 1: my lifetime, I have never seen a sporting team celebrate
Speaker 1: without a trophy, maybe in those weirdly designed FEF for
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen where the will be there. Yeah, it felt
Speaker 1: like that. Man asn't like sorry, it felt like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I didn't At least India made the statement there.
Speaker 1: It was very good of the Indian team. Then you
Speaker 1: go up to the Diace and then you know, celebrated
Speaker 1: the way they celebrated, extremely well thought out by Indian
Speaker 1: team content manager as Deep sing. Yes, it was celebrated
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, and also the Instagram photos, you know,
Speaker 1: like like just you mentioned that. Just one point is
Speaker 1: that cricket feels like a glitch. Right when India and
Speaker 1: Pakistan had a standoff, the whole champions trophy thing, Pakistan
Speaker 1: brokeer the deal that they would not be playing in
Speaker 1: India for any of the ICs tournaments till I think
Speaker 1: twenty thirty or or whatever. Many sport that it happens
Speaker 1: that teams have to fly in and out because they're
Speaker 1: because they're unfortunately playing Pakistan and India. Right, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense, you know, you can it's the it's
Speaker 1: the sad state of the sport one thing, and it
Speaker 1: has all trickled down to this Asia Cup. Right like
Speaker 1: there were boycott culture. It would have been fair had
Speaker 1: they not participated in this instead of doing it this way.
Speaker 4: And like I said, I think the last episode, I said,
Speaker 4: the way that Pakistan acted themselves, it was a disgrace
Speaker 4: to the game of cricket, the way they acted towards
Speaker 4: India and to ue the team that they made. Oh yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: people forget that and that game also they were lucky
Speaker 4: to win it. If Yue had a little more quality.
Speaker 4: I think Pasan would be beaten. Yeah, And this is
Speaker 4: what it comes down to, the fact that people will
Speaker 4: probably people will complain that Indians acted in a certain way.
Speaker 4: But give me a point where India did not go
Speaker 4: about with their business. They were always there at the
Speaker 4: time of the toss. They were there, toss done. There
Speaker 4: were no delays from the captain or the players for
Speaker 4: any unnecessary things. They went about with the business. They
Speaker 4: played their matches. Yes, like you said, not one hundred person,
Speaker 4: maybe sixty to fifty percent. I think that was enough
Speaker 4: to see off this tournament.
Speaker 1: They did it.
Speaker 3: They went back end of story without the trophy, without
Speaker 3: and they have not I think what they did after
Speaker 3: winning whatever they did, I really I thoroughly enjoyed it because.
Speaker 4: That happened after the tournament. Wasn't the job was done? Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is not what Pakistan did.
Speaker 1: Even Suria's response, I think Nikol Nas from Sports Today
Speaker 1: in here today. The first question he asked him in
Speaker 1: that airport interview, wash is the trophy? Suriya Kumar said,
Speaker 1: I have fifteen trophies with me in my dressing room.
Speaker 1: All my team officials are prophies. Gotham movie is of
Speaker 1: course a big gift to this team. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: as in like like what I what I wanted to
Speaker 1: say was India took a stand. Understand that there is
Speaker 1: a difference between what India and Pakistan players how they behaved.
Speaker 1: India took a stand. You believe in whatever you believe
Speaker 1: is right, whether you're forced to believe in that as
Speaker 1: an in this case, whether it came from the top
Speaker 1: to not shake hands with the team, as far as
Speaker 1: the team was concerned, Sukumar said, I took this call
Speaker 1: and if you hear the first press conference, he clearly
Speaker 1: said I didn't force my players to even take this call.
Speaker 1: But everybody has a collective desired that they would not
Speaker 1: shake hands. That is a stand. Doing this and you know,
Speaker 1: doing this is not a stand. It's a provocative it's
Speaker 1: a propagator, personal capacity made and it comes at a
Speaker 1: very bad time. Also, right, lives have been lost. Tasteless,
Speaker 1: it's tasteless, it's tasteless. Terror tech and then cross border attentions.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't equate both, but lives have been lost, right,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's just the narratives that each government. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying. Have you seen any board that
Speaker 1: lets down their players, like the Pakistan cricket board, like
Speaker 1: you throw them to the dogs. Like if you were
Speaker 1: you should have asked you you uhould have asked your
Speaker 1: players refrain from doing all this. You don't shake hands,
Speaker 1: probably you don't come for any press conference. That's a stand.
Speaker 1: But what you do, what you do on the field,
Speaker 1: What the ugly reactions that they gave Harris from? What
Speaker 1: was he trying to achieve by doing all that? In
Speaker 1: the end gets it back? That's a very You don't
Speaker 1: win the you don't win this, you know, gesture battle
Speaker 1: also your reason why your team los loses. You face
Speaker 1: you know, you face sickening trolls, from your own countrymen.
Speaker 1: People says you're a you know, you're.
Speaker 3: A against India.
Speaker 1: He is. You're saying, if this is what your performances,
Speaker 1: what will you focus on? Imagine if I am not
Speaker 1: good at studies, I will not, you know, do these
Speaker 1: extra collegory activities. I'll focus on getting better at that
Speaker 1: because that's paying my paying my foot bills. You know,
Speaker 1: I can't understand they've been thrown to the dogs. I
Speaker 1: feel bad for players like this. You know, someone like
Speaker 1: Salma Ali throughout the tournament, his conduct was really good
Speaker 1: if you look at it. He never, you know, he
Speaker 1: never even in the press conferences he said, they are
Speaker 1: taking their stand. What can we do about it? I
Speaker 1: felt disappointed. I have never seen someone not shaking hands
Speaker 1: with me. That line was appreciable, but anything else that
Speaker 1: the Pakistan players did, someone like a Hurries rof, someone
Speaker 1: like ship Zadafarhan and then going to the IC and saying,
Speaker 1: according to reports, Hrisrov asked the match revery six nil,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? What do you what do you
Speaker 1: mean of it? Eventually he was fine. I don't know
Speaker 1: why Surya Kumar was fine for taking that stance. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was breaching some ICC rules or something. You know,
Speaker 1: but there was a difference between what India players did
Speaker 1: and what Pakistan. You say is what I think, Like,
Speaker 1: that's a brilliant point that you make. That PCB let
Speaker 1: down its players. It's a sensitive time. Your actions should
Speaker 1: be thought out, like how he said, what okay, India
Speaker 1: is not shaking hands. PCB could have put out a
Speaker 1: statement saying we have told our players not to engage
Speaker 1: in any kind of activities with the Indian team.
Speaker 3: We will not going forward, not shake their hands.
Speaker 1: You don't play that match. You should have boycotted that
Speaker 1: match if you really believe that India not shaking hands
Speaker 1: hurt you. But then you went after a man who
Speaker 1: had probably nothing nothing to do. This is what this
Speaker 1: is what Pakistan. This is the pc we does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the posturing and they don't think like I
Speaker 1: thought in this tournament so personal capacity. May I think
Speaker 1: what Surya Kuma when Surakumar decided that they won't shake
Speaker 1: hands was wrong, But like says, yes that it's a
Speaker 1: personal choice. You believe what you believe and you stick
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah. I thought at that time that now
Speaker 1: Pakistan have found a brilliant way where they can be
Speaker 1: the bigger person here, they can show the world that,
Speaker 1: you know, they did not want to shake hands. We
Speaker 1: respect their call, but tk we would have wanted to nothing.
Speaker 1: They decided to go full petty by taking on Piecraft,
Speaker 1: by taking on Indian players, threatening to boycott, disrespecting the
Speaker 1: UA team, and it was a spiral from there on.
Speaker 1: Nothing that Pakistan cricket board does is thought through that
Speaker 1: Super four match. Yeah, of course if you look at it.
Speaker 1: During the group game there was nothing of this, you
Speaker 1: know shit that happened. But during the Super four game
Speaker 1: is when the ugly just just started and said, like
Speaker 1: you said, many people in our own country might disagree
Speaker 1: with the stand that Indian team took. When you're on
Speaker 1: a cricket field, probably you should shake hands. Probably you
Speaker 1: should do this. There are people who asked, Okay, when
Speaker 1: the basis allows the team and the Indian government allows
Speaker 1: the team to play, then what's the point of not
Speaker 1: shaking hands. Okay, that's an argument that you believe in.
Speaker 1: Some people believe in. But the team took this stand.
Speaker 1: I don't want to shake hands, and I will donate
Speaker 1: my money to the terms of the terror attack and
Speaker 1: I will pay my tribute to the armed forces. That's
Speaker 1: a stand, That's what I'm saying. That's a stand. You
Speaker 1: agree to it or you disagree with it, but not
Speaker 1: these ugly you know, gestures that were happening and the
Speaker 1: ugly politics that was being played for nothing. What did
Speaker 1: you achieve by doing all that boycott drama? You could
Speaker 1: have lost it that day that day itself.
Speaker 4: Like I said, it's all coming down to the fact
Speaker 4: that do you have that quality? You had almost run
Speaker 4: out you're a wicket keeper, did not have an idea
Speaker 4: to stand behind the stumpst and collect the ball? Why
Speaker 4: are you not addressing those kinds of things before going
Speaker 4: after a team that is superior.
Speaker 1: That those take effort right, you can't have sack ten
Speaker 1: coaches when you're expecting.
Speaker 4: I always, I always feel that when you see crum and,
Speaker 4: like a lot of people said this on social media,
Speaker 4: seeing Waskm and Ravish Astray together was a great thing.
Speaker 4: And the kind of analysis that man gave about his team,
Speaker 4: you could see his sadness. The like him as a
Speaker 4: player is always considered a legend and that Pakistan team
Speaker 4: had a lot of good players.
Speaker 3: Now when he's looking at.
Speaker 4: A guy like Harris, He's like, I have told this
Speaker 4: guy to work on his run up. Half the time
Speaker 4: he's falling on the ground. He's always lying on the ground.
Speaker 4: He's doing this, he's doing that. He's not able to
Speaker 4: stop runs. He and then he has to do all
Speaker 4: this drama. Focus on your game. And then he says
Speaker 4: that war tells him that he does not play redball cricket.
Speaker 4: Then how are you going to improve? How is this
Speaker 4: team going to improve? What like all that you said?
Speaker 4: Salmon Aliaga was a gentleman, blah blah blah, great, What
Speaker 4: did he bring to the field? Neither did he bowl,
Speaker 4: which is one of his fortes. By the way, he's
Speaker 4: an off spinner by trade. He's an all rounder in
Speaker 4: this team by trade.
Speaker 1: Did not bowl?
Speaker 4: Did not show anything with the bat that we have
Speaker 4: not seen from the likes of Barbarism or Mahmed respond
Speaker 4: people who he has?
Speaker 3: Really who replaced? What else was there.
Speaker 1: In this team? You had?
Speaker 4: You had a guy like what was his name, Hassan
Speaker 4: Hassan Nawak's a very good player, a very good to
Speaker 4: open up. You played Hussein instead of him, won you
Speaker 4: one match fair.
Speaker 1: Enough that day. That day they wear tweets, they wear
Speaker 1: tweets from wise people in Pakistan that this innings is
Speaker 1: going to do us more harm than anything else. And
Speaker 1: Hussein Talaz did nothing after that.
Speaker 4: Mohammed Mohammed Navas supposedly the best spinner, the best spinner
Speaker 4: in the world. Mike hasn't said this doesn't get too bold,
Speaker 4: doesn't get to bold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did not bowl Si either was boring so
Speaker 1: well against India in the final.
Speaker 3: You make all these stupid things and then you have
Speaker 3: a complained that India is disrespecting cricket. Your captain goes
Speaker 3: out and says India is distressed. Bro, you are disrespecting
Speaker 3: cricket by playing this atrocious This is not even cricket.
Speaker 3: What is this your team? And the justice did not
Speaker 3: stop that. While I was searching pictures, I think Harristroff
Speaker 3: took a catch. He and Shahanshafridi did the plane while
Speaker 3: one that high catch that they were both running like
Speaker 3: two flights. Both of them collided against each other. Probably
Speaker 3: you don't. You don't bring in the level of cricket
Speaker 3: that we have seen with India versus Pakistan. You don't
Speaker 3: bring that up.
Speaker 1: And now see my problem is someone like an infant
Speaker 1: Patan someone. Many people in the past have said that
Speaker 1: Pakistan players have done worse things behind the scenes, but
Speaker 1: there is there is that's also wrong. But you don't
Speaker 1: project it to people who you were watching, right, there
Speaker 1: are billions of people who are watching it on What
Speaker 1: will kids learn now that now the natural thing is okay,
Speaker 1: I have the license to speak like, which I don't
Speaker 1: agree with. Like. You have to have respect for when
Speaker 1: you step on a field or when you step on anywhere.
Speaker 1: You might have your own personal problems, personal views, but
Speaker 1: there is a bit of decency that you need to
Speaker 1: have when you're representing so many people, when so many
Speaker 1: people are watching you. If that is going to get spoiled,
Speaker 1: then the very basic essence of watching sport itself is
Speaker 1: going to get spoiled. Right, Why do we watch sport
Speaker 1: like it's entertainment. Yes, it's entertainment. Is the best form
Speaker 1: of reality TV and all that is, yes, but you
Speaker 1: get that bit of inspiration right when you see great athletes,
Speaker 1: when you see respect, when you see two rival sharing
Speaker 1: an Olympic well after a long, long event. Sport is
Speaker 1: the highest form of dedication, sacrifice and great anyone who's
Speaker 1: ever played any sport will say that of what it
Speaker 1: takes to reach at a place to reduce it down
Speaker 1: to mockery over the course of three matches, you better
Speaker 1: don't play.
Speaker 4: When you don't play issues, don't play, don't play, don't
Speaker 4: come to play.
Speaker 1: This is the most that cricket has disappointed me in
Speaker 1: a long time, in a long time, a long long time.
Speaker 1: And everything standard of cricket, boards around it, quality of broadcast, everything,
Speaker 1: Asia Cup has been one of the most horrible tournaments
Speaker 1: for me to watch. Bar one game, India Sri Lanka super.
Speaker 3: Far huh even that game.
Speaker 4: Also for that fact, if India were better in their fielding,
Speaker 4: I think they would have won. There was at no
Speaker 4: point I think when Nisanka was batting. I don't think
Speaker 4: there was at any point in time there was panic
Speaker 4: in the Indian team or amongst the Indian fans. They
Speaker 4: knew it was just a matter of wiget. Like you said,
Speaker 4: the quality India was way ahead of all these teams,
Speaker 4: Oman Nue, whoever you want to put it. If India
Speaker 4: put in their one hundred persons, I think they would
Speaker 4: have won even this final. Also, Paisang would have gotten
Speaker 4: steam rolled. The fact was Parisang got off to a
Speaker 4: good start, so we expected, oh, this is going to
Speaker 4: be a tough battle.
Speaker 3: Then what happens three.
Speaker 4: Wickets for thirty three runs, you lose nine wickets, quality
Speaker 4: gone for a toss.
Speaker 3: Then you get the chance twenty for three again. You
Speaker 3: let go of your with your decisions. This team is no.
Speaker 4: That team is not going anywhere, to be very honest,
Speaker 4: and it is best that they do not come to
Speaker 4: play against India, not just for the political reasons, just
Speaker 4: for the quality. We are not going to get a
Speaker 4: very good India versus Paistan match for the next five
Speaker 4: years or even the next decade.
Speaker 1: I can give that, but that's just the cricketing side
Speaker 1: of it. Like I am thinking that, now, where does
Speaker 1: the sport go? Like you have Olympics eight where cricket
Speaker 1: has been inducted after so many years. Yeah, will do
Speaker 1: the same thing. I imagine cricket returning after say one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty eight years or something twenty four years,
Speaker 1: and then the global audience watch this, and then they
Speaker 1: watch all this happening. Ten countries play cricket ten twenty
Speaker 1: at max. Better don't pick these two countries for the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Better Yeah for me, much better that way.
Speaker 3: No, why do you say two teams? Why does India
Speaker 3: not deserve to play.
Speaker 1: As in if you've got to continue doing this. But
Speaker 1: the rivalry typement rivalry.
Speaker 4: See, the whole thing is that we have all like
Speaker 4: kingshow you are also a football fan, I am also
Speaker 4: a football fan. We see the rivalry between Barcelona and
Speaker 4: a Real Madrid. Has it ever been to a stage
Speaker 4: like this?
Speaker 1: No, it is not.
Speaker 3: There is, Yes, the fans always have animosity.
Speaker 4: You're not going to always cheer for your opposition player
Speaker 4: or you're not going to be having customaries exchanged with
Speaker 4: your opposition fans. But the fact of the matters is
Speaker 4: there is a decorum that was kept.
Speaker 1: There's this there is this niceness. There is this aspect
Speaker 1: to sport where you respect your It's not even you
Speaker 1: talk about the great If you hear Sons talk about
Speaker 1: Imran Khan or the wesdes Space portrait, you can see
Speaker 1: the genuine excitement in his face. You can see the
Speaker 1: way he has respected them and the way they have
Speaker 1: respected him back. If that is going to be taken
Speaker 1: away from say, see the next generation of Pakistan players
Speaker 1: come and gesture to a Supermann Gill. Ten years later
Speaker 1: they go and say, okay, Superman Gill was involved in
Speaker 1: this gate. Hey, this subman Gil did this to us.
Speaker 1: That did that to us. That doesn't sound right, right?
Speaker 1: And who are you trying to provocate?
Speaker 3: Like you you You are going up against against a.
Speaker 4: Team that has seen the Wirakoli culture that is there.
Speaker 4: We might say a lot of things, but Koley was
Speaker 4: a player who used to give it back.
Speaker 3: You have a road.
Speaker 4: Sharmah in the team. You have a road Sharma who
Speaker 4: has influenced players like mad See.
Speaker 1: Tell me something. Half of the Pakistan youngsters, what do
Speaker 1: they say we get inspired from ward? We got inspired
Speaker 1: from Do they not say that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because their own players are not good enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then if this continues, if this public display
Speaker 1: of hatred continues, I don't know where we are heading.
Speaker 1: It is and this is that is the monumental failure
Speaker 1: of the board. That's the major problem India could have gestured.
Speaker 1: India could have done a lot of things, but they
Speaker 1: did not decide to. They kept calm, they took a stand,
Speaker 1: like I said, did not shake hands, explained the reason
Speaker 1: why they did not shake hands, and then moved on
Speaker 1: to the next match.
Speaker 4: It was it was a very thorough professional performance from
Speaker 4: India and on the same hand, what we saw from
Speaker 4: Pakistan was just classless, tasteless and just outright, I don't know,
Speaker 4: like irritating. After a point, it was irritating because there
Speaker 4: was nothing backing this up. You show something, you show
Speaker 4: some effort on the field that was not there. You
Speaker 4: were just humiliating yourself. You're humiliating the fans in the
Speaker 4: stadium and the people back home. So I think yeah.
Speaker 1: Even Zuria was asked by I think Nicol only in
Speaker 1: this interview that will this continue in India Pakistan matches?
Speaker 1: Will the handshake continue? He was very, very very tactful
Speaker 1: in that response, saying that it depends on how the
Speaker 1: situation is at that time, so we'll take a call.
Speaker 1: That's the stand probably India will take in the future
Speaker 1: as well. We'll get to know on Sunday as well
Speaker 1: when the women's place them India versus Pakistan, that how
Speaker 1: that works out, because you can't you can't stop people
Speaker 1: from taking a stand. And I hope the ugliness will
Speaker 1: not be there. I think it should should not be there.
Speaker 1: That's the hope for now. But you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to ask you what is your favorite moment
Speaker 1: from the Cup because I genuinely what was my favorite?
Speaker 4: I think for that six For me, that short ball, yeah,
Speaker 4: that was brilliant. I think everything after that what followed
Speaker 4: also kind of I felt, Okay, Oh, this Indian team
Speaker 4: is there to make a statement.
Speaker 3: They made the statement.
Speaker 4: Himself looks like a baby like they call babyface assassin.
Speaker 4: But the way that he conducted himself in that game,
Speaker 4: he got what whatever he was getting. He was angry
Speaker 4: and he said, you know, I am a human. I
Speaker 4: can take it to a level. This was too much
Speaker 4: from them. There was no need for it. So I
Speaker 4: gave it back and that was good. So I loved
Speaker 4: that moment. That was personally, for me, the best moment
Speaker 4: of Asia Cup. I think that game was for me
Speaker 4: the game of this tournament. Apart from that, it was
Speaker 4: just nothing else.
Speaker 1: Now that he has answered that question, I'll ask you
Speaker 1: that question, same thing. So I don't want to go
Speaker 1: into this batting writing and all that. There is one
Speaker 1: ball to Schumann Gill from that Oman pacer, oh, one
Speaker 1: that comes back. I have There's been no swing in
Speaker 1: the tournament at all, but that one ball did the trick.
Speaker 1: So that one for me the final because someone who
Speaker 1: has always been under the shadows of Suyu Kumar at
Speaker 1: my hit, he got a day in the sun, his
Speaker 1: own day in the sun.
Speaker 4: And I personally feel one Suia retires, I think he
Speaker 4: is going to be that next like maybe not like
Speaker 4: everybody associates with the rock shots and all that, but
Speaker 4: we have seen that prime sky where he was the
Speaker 4: most consistent battle for us in this format. I feel
Speaker 4: Tilluck will take that.
Speaker 1: Look at Tilluck's average now it's fifty two with a
Speaker 1: striker of one fifty. We haven't sung enough praises for him,
Speaker 1: and thank thankfully he stepped up in the finally. You know,
Speaker 1: he has contributed along with others, but this time and
Speaker 1: even in the England series earlier this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he played played one in Chennai.
Speaker 1: He has done that for Mumba Indians also in Chennai
Speaker 1: on difficult conditions. He's always capable of doing that. Is
Speaker 1: the best cracious man in that and I'm glad that
Speaker 1: he got that opportunity to show that. Okay, I am ready,
Speaker 1: I am ready to take all the limelight.
Speaker 4: And props to Shivam Dubai also, like a lot of
Speaker 4: people say that he's just a player.
Speaker 1: I have never agreed with that. This guy and one
Speaker 1: of his friends, one of his colleages or whatever he is,
Speaker 1: he does not I believe that he does not add
Speaker 1: anything to the lineup, but that you already.
Speaker 4: On that final and matches three Crunch matches Bold also
Speaker 4: very well, so the first two. I think in the
Speaker 4: first Power Playoffs.
Speaker 1: He was probably this isn't taken by Gumby. They will
Speaker 1: bold the first. It's not like you had anyone else.
Speaker 1: Once that team was decided, you didn't have anyone else.
Speaker 1: See this military, medium pace, all Aroundoes have always done
Speaker 1: well against Pakistan in major tournaments. Yeah, go back to
Speaker 1: Jahn in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: I think that the goat was probably five or sixteen
Speaker 4: in Toronto, So probably a Pakistan problem. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: think good moments were there. Yeah, but all in all,
Speaker 4: I think a lack of quality And I would personally
Speaker 4: say maybe if Ashaka you want to make it a
Speaker 4: little more this thing, like this time around we saw
Speaker 4: Yue and Oma, maybe bring in other teams like a
Speaker 4: Japan who has a cricket team that is coming up
Speaker 4: maybe bring.
Speaker 1: Enough to qualify for that, you know what should happen,
Speaker 1: Like how FIFA has Australia and Asia's group.
Speaker 3: We used to Australia Oceania Australasia Cup.
Speaker 1: I think maybe that would make better that we could
Speaker 1: We could put that social media meme. Also, now that
Speaker 1: Australia is slowly moving towards.
Speaker 4: Towards we could have, Like we irritated Polisan enough, we
Speaker 4: could irritate some Australians also, I think that.
Speaker 1: Would be better. Bring it back and have it in ue.
Speaker 1: It will be fun. I guess is this good prep
Speaker 1: for T twenty World Cup? I just want to sneak
Speaker 1: that in.
Speaker 3: Not really, I think there are still issues with this team.
Speaker 3: I think Sudia's form is but.
Speaker 1: At least that was something that was laid bare that
Speaker 1: you're not ready to, you know, defend your T twenty
Speaker 1: World Cup title.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there are still areas to improve. I don't
Speaker 4: feel personally I felt a little off with Schumann Gill
Speaker 4: being in that team. I felt Sanju should have battered
Speaker 4: up top. The team looked way different at that point
Speaker 4: in time when you had Sanju Abishaik then you had
Speaker 4: Suria or Tilla coming in the team had a little
Speaker 4: bit more dynamism to it. Schumann being there kind of
Speaker 4: feels forced, and that is something I think they need
Speaker 4: to take.
Speaker 1: A decision on it.
Speaker 3: I don't see to his credit.
Speaker 4: I think he played well in that Pakistan game Super
Speaker 4: Force match, and I think he did well against Sri
Speaker 4: Lanka also, he did well, but not great like what
Speaker 4: we saw from Samsung up top that was brilliant. Three
Speaker 4: hundreds in I don't know four or five matches. I
Speaker 4: guess he played that has to be rewarded and you
Speaker 4: suddenly take it away from him.
Speaker 1: He lost in the middle.
Speaker 3: That it's the way no, But then Sancho Samson feels
Speaker 3: lost in the middle. Order of fifty score of fifteen
Speaker 3: will knock in the final. That also was the slowest
Speaker 3: fifty ever.
Speaker 1: See. The major problem with that is with putting Samson
Speaker 1: down a gillup is that last one year you've had
Speaker 1: a gun batting lineup like come hit, come hate till
Speaker 1: number eight or whatever, and then see where where you
Speaker 1: end this team. It feels a little more measured, which
Speaker 1: is the kind of identity that the world is trying
Speaker 1: to get out of. So that's the thing That's why
Speaker 1: it feels South Indian cricketers shouldn't complain. They should be
Speaker 1: thankful that they're getting an opportunity.
Speaker 3: Okay, just because there's what we have had.
Speaker 4: Like then you would probably have a problem if is
Speaker 4: being sidelined because our Russian or like let's say, like
Speaker 4: Harbuzon comes out of retirement and he's like, oh no,
Speaker 4: Harbuzon has to play.
Speaker 1: That the same thing, supern Gil No, I am just saying.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying a person who does not fit in
Speaker 4: this team. My analogy might be wrong, but a person
Speaker 4: who's not fitting into this team makes it kind of
Speaker 4: disjointed for.
Speaker 1: Me, and let's let's give him at least a few move.
Speaker 4: A lot of people ask me this question, who's going
Speaker 4: to be the next captain for India after Suriah retired,
Speaker 4: which I think is twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Now I clearly stated, why are you even asking this question?
Speaker 3: Schuben will will be the captain.
Speaker 1: That Australia series might give us a lot of false confidence,
Speaker 1: but there because Cameron Green is not going to play,
Speaker 1: is not going to Stark is retired, Stark has got
Speaker 1: still the conditions and all that it's not going to do.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that three top bowlers will not
Speaker 1: be bowling in that series, Green, Cummins and marsh And
Speaker 1: if all of them three come back into the T
Speaker 1: twenty World Cup fold and they start bowling, that will
Speaker 1: be a problem for India. That's you know, we still
Speaker 1: have to discuss the that's a discussion for another day.
Speaker 1: The discussion for another day. But let's promise our viewers
Speaker 1: and listeners that will come up with a review of
Speaker 1: the first Test and not a preview of the first Test.
Speaker 1: Are playing test much. That's that's how this build up
Speaker 1: has been Asia Cup. And two days later India taking
Speaker 1: on Western.
Speaker 3: Western and West Indies have lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Just when Darren Sammy said I have three pacers who
Speaker 4: can perform well in all conditions, two or three are out,
Speaker 4: you know, I just and then they have lost to
Speaker 4: Nepal also West Indies.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of underestimation that you guys did
Speaker 1: when New Zealand came. What will they do? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: when you have been blanked three nail in a home
Speaker 1: series and I think that's always safety.
Speaker 3: You know, there is serious seriousness within that selection that
Speaker 3: came in.
Speaker 1: I hope Gumbiri is not in the Asia Cup mode
Speaker 1: thinking that okay, we are going to play a substandard
Speaker 1: part and then goes without. But he has come where
Speaker 1: has come to before anyone else. I think West Indies
Speaker 1: are coming to India after that twenty seven right, Yes,
Speaker 1: against Australia, I think, but.
Speaker 4: They have also come to the sub continent defeated Pakistan
Speaker 4: on those idiotic pictures that were created.
Speaker 1: That's wait, yeah, I think only twenty four, not early
Speaker 1: twenty four. I think like March four, if I'm not wrong,
Speaker 1: was it. Yeah, it must be back for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that Worrican spell that you're spell is there in
Speaker 1: this side as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Moti is not their Moti is being
Speaker 4: I think rested. I think they are protecting him from
Speaker 4: that frost chase. And they've kicked out their old captain,
Speaker 4: Craig Brathwaite. He's being replaced by one of India's biggest
Speaker 4: fears in Test cricket, mister Tundrapoul's son. He was a big,
Speaker 4: big performer against India Shimara and and his son is
Speaker 4: coming in and playing. So there is a lot of
Speaker 4: good elements there.
Speaker 1: But but you will definitely ask cricket lovers will definitely
Speaker 1: enjoy the Test series more than one. Red ball is
Speaker 1: way more enjoyable and aside like West Indies where there
Speaker 1: will be no death for you know, mutual respect and yeah,
Speaker 1: they are going to play the game hardfair Hopefully they
Speaker 1: play it hard they do justice to the you know
Speaker 1: the whatabur talent is available on that note, isn't like?
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