WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.359 This is India Today Podcasts. 2 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:10.560 You are on India Today Podcasts and you are in 3 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:14.439 the Sledging Room. Let me warn you this is not 4 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:17.559 a place for the faint hearted and the weak need. 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.079 If you're a sports buff and like challenging everything you 6 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:24.440 see and hear, stay, if you're a sooner batya fan, 7 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:26.960 walk away right now? 8 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.920 What was this wild ride? How would you describe your 9 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:54.920 shake up in one word? Extremely long yell, chaotic, chaotic. 10 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:59.880 I'd say it was franendetic, useless. I don't know what 11 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:04.359 purpose that tournament solved apart from feeding into egos of 12 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:09.239 you know, people at the power right Where was the 13 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:14.120 cricket there? It was disappointing. Yeah, as we returned to, 14 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.200 you know, another episode of Sledging Room, plenty of action 15 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:21.680 going on last week. This Asia Cup got over finally 16 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:26.000 Earlier this week. The Women's World Cup starts on Tuesday 17 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.000 and the India West Indies Test Series in Nepal beating 18 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:34.079 West Indies. But you know, it's impossible to look past 19 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.959 Asia Cup for this episode, right because you know, we 20 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:40.799 all thought that India would be a dominant side and 21 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.120 the race for the next best is what the Asia 22 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.040 Cup was all about but even that didn't happen properly. 23 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.120 India themselves weren't at the one hundred percent but still 24 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:54.359 managed to win the trophy. But all that that happened 25 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:57.879 around the tournament, how should we look at it? Like? 26 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:00.560 Is this how it's gonna be from now on? 27 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:03.680 I think that is going to be the reality. 28 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:05.599 The new reality is going to be the fact that 29 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:10.759 India versus Paristan games are always going to have something. Earlier, 30 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:14.919 it was always about the cricket and the rivalry. The 31 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.759 rivalry is like I think for a lot of players 32 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:19.919 it is over. At least for the Indian players it 33 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.159 is over. Pithan players are doing their bit to keep 34 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.039 it alive. But I think going forward, this is going 35 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:29.080 to be the new reality where India Powistan game is 36 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:32.960 always going to have something and something for us basically 37 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:37.039 to keep us on arctos and not much for the players. 38 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.520 I guess the players will go about with their business. 39 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:41.599 But yeah, this is going to be the new reality 40 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:42.919 for the facts. 41 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:45.960 But when you say not much for the players, like 42 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.000 have have they been so open about all these things 43 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:54.319 in the past. Yes, India played matches when there was 44 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.199 cross bought attentions like even the such intentnal because the 45 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:01.919 Sunies all of them played. But where they're so open 46 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:04.439 about making gestures and all that in the past, I 47 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:05.000 don't think so. 48 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:07.759 I mean, you look at this was twenty twenty three. 49 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:13.039 You've had Shainsha Friedi come and gift Bumrah some presents 50 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:17.400 after his son was born. You had Hi I think, 51 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.240 Shadhab Khan and Kohali cracking a joke and they were 52 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.639 all laughing when the rain was hitting in. 53 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:28.400 I think Colombo, I guess, yeah, so that was then. 54 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:32.039 Now when you look at it, are there any any 55 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:36.120 kind of friendships or anything that is being shown none. 56 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.759 You've had Abishik Sharma go out and troll Shainsha Fridi. 57 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:44.360 You have had Bumrah go out and gesture towards Harris rap. 58 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.560 It has been all over the place. And like I said, 59 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.639 this is a new reality and forfund. 60 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.319 Actually all on one side, all of that I'm actually 61 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.919 fine with. I thought Actually's question was about the standard 62 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.280 of decorum that India and Pakistan is going to have. 63 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:03.039 I'm fine with all of that. Abishtrolling, shy in players 64 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.719 going up to each other. Harry is doing this giving 65 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.400 back to him as a reply, all of that's fine. 66 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:14.840 I think all of that is fine, making such provacative gestures. Yeah. 67 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.480 So like on the field of cricket, if you are 68 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:23.040 doing a gesture, you're you will be given back. Ye see, 69 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:26.959 I understand all that. Yeah, but stop it there, Stop 70 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.600 it there. You can't control a person's emotions inside the 71 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.639 field where adrenaline is running high, right, so you never 72 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:38.120 know till what part that gesture goes to. Once that 73 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:41.600 gesture from Harris Roff was out, he could not take 74 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.240 it back and he was reminded again and again that 75 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:46.199 you know you are done, your team is done. I'm 76 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.680 fine with all of that. But the question is that 77 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.879 is this game going to be used for political leverage 78 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.920 from both sides? That is something that I have I'm 79 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.800 questioning right now because if they this happens on a 80 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.279 bigger scale, Asia is a shorter time and like you said, 81 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:07.480 say useless tournament supposed to promotation cricket, which it does 82 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:11.120 not really do. But what happens when this game goes 83 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.920 into a bigger and bigger scale. See my question is 84 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:19.240 in the past Gambir and Chi have had rollins. Even 85 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.959 even if such int has had, you know, issues with 86 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.560 soy burger and all that, and they have exchanged words. 87 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.800 But to use a military skimmage to just to you know, uh, 88 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:35.399 to to indicate that we shot down your jet, you 89 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.680 shot down my jet, and then to show that you 90 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.720 have you fire fire gun shots while celebrating all that 91 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.720 is a reflection of you know, this is becoming nasty 92 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.800 as in as long as you exchange words, it's financial. 93 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:51.120 It's always happens in the sport. You call it heat, 94 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:54.439 heat of the moment, so that happens. But when you 95 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:58.879 want to mix politics, when you spill that whatever has 96 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.519 happened outside the and when you bring it to the field, 97 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.720 that's when it becomes, you know, a problem. It was 98 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:09.800 all see. Some may argue that even snubbing handshake was 99 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.360 not the right thing to do, but as long as 100 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.199 they didn't hurt anyone. If you look at how the 101 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.199 Indian players behaved, they did not bring up anything from 102 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:21.600 you know, the cross border thanks those underhand you know 103 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:24.480 gestures and all that. Yeah, and Harris apparently started that 104 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:27.959 in the training session itself. There were reports suggesting that 105 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.639 some of the Pakistan players were going on about six 106 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:35.199 nail six nail and gesturing and stuff. My problem is 107 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.759 when when it has become ugly, it has become ugly 108 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.199 and unnecessarily ugly. It didn't need to be this way. 109 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.040 And I like you reminded about we're at Coliche time, 110 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.639 when we're at Barber Rizwan, they used to hang out, 111 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.759 they used to talk. The only one tweet that I 112 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.000 remember from a Palkistan cricketer was this two shell pass 113 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:58.120 Barber putting it to And now now you talk about 114 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:02.079 sharing a Ronaldo video accident, I. 115 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.319 Think it was more more than like how King shuk 116 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:08.920 has said, it's when you look at it, it all 117 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:14.680 started from there then, sweet No, I'm saying from the 118 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.720 side of the other side, the Pakistan side, And in 119 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.240 that case, you're always bound to get it back, like 120 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.759 how he stated in a field of cricket, you're always 121 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.319 bound to get things back. In any sport you can 122 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.160 take it. The more like the adrenaline rush is going 123 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.279 to be there. But once you get out of it, 124 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.040 I think it should have stopped. But then the acc chief, 125 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.199 who is supposed to be a neutral guy in this thing, 126 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.160 he is going out and then he is putting out 127 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.439 a tweet of Ronaldo showing this gesture when okay, I 128 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.519 understand if your team was doing great, your team was 129 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.279 at the top of the table, and then you're trying 130 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:53.480 to mock India, makes a little more sense. Your team 131 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:57.120 was at that point in time beaten tune in even 132 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:59.759 the third game the final, to be very fair, like 133 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:01.639 how Sula Oscar was going about. 134 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:03.839 If India had gone about. 135 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.279 It slowly, I don't think they would have lost a wicket, 136 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:08.839 even maybe one or two, they would have won the game. 137 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:11.560 On a country, many people say that India we were 138 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.000 in trouble, but at no point they were in trouted. 139 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:15.360 If you understand the game. 140 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.800 The talent was there to get India out of the contest. 141 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:21.120 You had battling til Rinku Sing Who's coming in at 142 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:24.000 seven or eight. So the talent was always It was not. 143 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.199 The twenty for three side that faced twenty one. 144 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:28.160 Yeah, exactly. 145 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:32.200 So that is my whole point, Like your quality of 146 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:34.799 cricket is not up to the level of your banter 147 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:36.960 that you want to bring to the game, and then 148 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.919 you're always going to fall put yourself in the morn. 149 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.799 Even that's fine. Like we have seen lesser fancy teams 150 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:47.799 involved in verbal spats. For instance, Bangladesh have always given 151 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:49.960 it back to bigger teams, so called bigger teams in 152 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:53.000 the in Asia. But when you are being used as 153 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.039 a political pawn, that's the problem. That's the problem. Your 154 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.679 boat should protect you. It's not like you should act 155 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:00.759 according to what your bout say. And this is where 156 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.440 I have a major problem with Moss. And also that 157 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.879 as a SEC head, you are sort of the parent 158 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.279 figure to this whole Asian team, right whatever it is 159 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:13.720 like you are the interim minute minister in Pakistan. Fine, 160 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.279 that's a part of your job. You are the PCB head, 161 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.279 that's a part of your job, and a SEC head 162 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:20.960 that's a part of your job. Very different jobs. By 163 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:26.879 the way, to use his position as personal vendetta against 164 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.919 the Indian team that had just won the tournament, I 165 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.159 did not understand at all. See that's a that's a 166 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:37.000 bigger issue that he'll come to. It was it was 167 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:40.919 funny that like after the final, you all must have 168 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:44.320 also watched us and listeners should have also stayed that 169 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:48.559 one hour extra to watch that drama unfold, like we 170 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.240 were all waiting like after the match ended. I think 171 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:53.919 we took a break and then we came back and waited. 172 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:57.200 We waited, waited for the post match presentation. Even rubbish 173 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:58.960 Astree and was Mar were on air. 174 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.840 They got in no more than I think I saw 175 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:06.559 a moment where marm was literally yawning inside the studio. 176 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:07.759 He could not just control. 177 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:12.399 I think the match ended at around twelve twenty one 178 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:16.759 sixteen that presentation, so it was a needless weight. And 179 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:19.919 then we get to know that India simol, it's not 180 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.080 like and that that statement, I think I don't know 181 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.879 whether ACC had given it to him. That statement said 182 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:29.519 India declined to take the prophet so he will not No, no, 183 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.960 he did not say that said that there would be 184 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:35.559 no celebration on the diast tonight, but India. 185 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:38.039 Refused to receive that, so they said that India Duel 186 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:40.240 said that. Duel said that India will not take the 187 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:41.159 trophy today. 188 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:43.879 Yeah, that's that. That's all I remember from that. And 189 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.879 then we get to know that India have refused to 190 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:49.320 take it from the a SEC chairman. They were ready 191 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:53.159 to take it from the Vice president. But then we 192 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:56.360 saw that video of an ACC member running away with 193 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.240 the trophy, and then we get more details that the 194 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.639 trophy is hotel room. 195 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:04.320 It was so funny because I went to sleep at 196 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:06.799 the moment that Simon Dole thing happened. So I was like, Okay, 197 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:10.080 tomorrow morning we are going to get statements. Now I 198 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:12.440 get two hours of sleep because we had to come 199 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.360 in at six in the morning. 200 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:15.120 To start our work. 201 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.159 Now I am going through Twitter and I see that 202 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:21.279 like this is for the first time ever that an 203 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.559 a SEC chief is running away with the trophy and 204 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:26.240 he's taking it to his hotel room. 205 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:29.799 It's unprecedented, but in. 206 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:32.639 One way it was the fitting end to the Asia Cup. Yeah, 207 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:36.840 nothing tournament finishes with the winning team getting nothing if 208 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.039 you look at it that way. But but you know 209 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:42.279 what King shugire right, You know, at an official capacity, 210 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.320 say Jasha has been in the official capacity of this 211 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.399 very very same a SEC never acted in this manner, right, Yeah, 212 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.679 there has been a little bit of what do you 213 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:57.480 call decency in the way Indian officials have acted in 214 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:59.759 the history of cricket tournaments, at least in my lifetime. 215 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.600 And you one has acted in this manner anyway. We like, 216 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.720 when Australia won the twenty three World Cup, do you 217 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:07.840 use your petty squobble and not give them the trophy? 218 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:10.919 What do you do with the Meerico. I can't wrap 219 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.279 my head around the controversy that India Pakistan have had 220 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.600 in this entire tournament. You threatened to pull out of 221 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.960 the tournament midway through the tournament and then you came 222 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:25.600 back an hour later. Any other sport, any other tournament, 223 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:29.279 there would have been consequences. As we record this episode today, 224 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:32.720 Mohunbagan have withdrawn from a CL two. You will find 225 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:36.879 consequences from the ACA AFC for this. India will get sanctions. 226 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:41.000 But in cricket it's just based on whim Now win 227 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:44.559 can be applied to anyone. Jaysha Today the ICC head 228 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:49.000 decides culture Pakistan go no money, Who will challenge it? 229 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.240 Everything will be you unanimous. 230 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:53.360 To be fair like how he made. 231 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:55.879 There is a lot of slack that goes against a 232 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.759 guy like Jasha for what he was as the BCCA 233 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:02.279 president and his roles in a sec There was always 234 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:06.039 that thing where he was people were saying that India were. 235 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.159 Favored, but he never acted in this way. 236 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.399 There was never a point where I think Pakistan felt 237 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:14.200 marginalized in a tournament. There was never a point where 238 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:17.360 Pakistan players felt marginalized. Twenty twenty three World Cup is 239 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:20.639 the perfect example. They were they got there, they were. 240 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.919 Welcome to it so much art by the way, in 241 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:27.320 India Hyderabad than all celebrated there. There is nothing wrong 242 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.000 with having Barbara as much a fair favorite player, right, 243 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.200 they celebrated, they were loved. Pakistan has shown love. They 244 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.559 went thrown stones when they were playing in the stadium. 245 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.480 I don't know what this animosity was about. Even I 246 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.879 have never had that bigin Iberian tour across India. Pakistan 247 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:45.080 went on a Beran tour. Yeah, but yeah, that's the point, right, 248 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.919 So how can as in I don't know whether there 249 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:50.879 should be some action against motion Naqui as far as 250 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:52.759 cricket is concerned, but who's going to take that. He's 251 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.320 the ICC. The ICC should initiate. There's already there was 252 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.519 the psychia. Bass A secretary spoke to AI the day 253 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.879 hours after that bullshit happened and he kind of called 254 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:06.440 the all that out and he said there will be 255 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:10.120 an ICC meeting, ACC meeting also, there will be one 256 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:14.159 and we will probably appeal against whatever has happened. You know, 257 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.360 you know that this can't happen, right have you? In 258 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:21.399 my lifetime, I have never seen a sporting team celebrate 259 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.759 without a trophy, maybe in those weirdly designed FEF for 260 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:29.960 fifteen sixteen where the will be there. Yeah, it felt 261 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:33.159 like that. Man asn't like sorry, it felt like I 262 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.000 don't know, I didn't At least India made the statement there. 263 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:38.519 It was very good of the Indian team. Then you 264 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:42.159 go up to the Diace and then you know, celebrated 265 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.960 the way they celebrated, extremely well thought out by Indian 266 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:48.320 team content manager as Deep sing. Yes, it was celebrated 267 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.759 like that. Yeah, and also the Instagram photos, you know, 268 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.360 like like just you mentioned that. Just one point is 269 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.240 that cricket feels like a glitch. Right when India and 270 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:02.639 Pakistan had a standoff, the whole champions trophy thing, Pakistan 271 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:04.919 brokeer the deal that they would not be playing in 272 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.360 India for any of the ICs tournaments till I think 273 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.320 twenty thirty or or whatever. Many sport that it happens 274 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:14.120 that teams have to fly in and out because they're 275 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:18.440 because they're unfortunately playing Pakistan and India. Right, it doesn't 276 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:23.360 make any sense, you know, you can it's the it's 277 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:28.039 the sad state of the sport one thing, and it 278 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.080 has all trickled down to this Asia Cup. Right like 279 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.120 there were boycott culture. It would have been fair had 280 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:36.519 they not participated in this instead of doing it this way. 281 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.159 And like I said, I think the last episode, I said, 282 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.360 the way that Pakistan acted themselves, it was a disgrace 283 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:46.399 to the game of cricket, the way they acted towards 284 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:50.039 India and to ue the team that they made. Oh yeah, yes, 285 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.639 people forget that and that game also they were lucky 286 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.519 to win it. If Yue had a little more quality. 287 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.679 I think Pasan would be beaten. Yeah, And this is 288 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.159 what it comes down to, the fact that people will 289 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:08.159 probably people will complain that Indians acted in a certain way. 290 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:11.440 But give me a point where India did not go 291 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:14.519 about with their business. They were always there at the 292 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:17.279 time of the toss. They were there, toss done. There 293 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:20.200 were no delays from the captain or the players for 294 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:23.279 any unnecessary things. They went about with the business. They 295 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.440 played their matches. Yes, like you said, not one hundred person, 296 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:29.320 maybe sixty to fifty percent. I think that was enough 297 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:30.600 to see off this tournament. 298 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:31.480 They did it. 299 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:34.799 They went back end of story without the trophy, without 300 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:39.159 and they have not I think what they did after 301 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:44.039 winning whatever they did, I really I thoroughly enjoyed it because. 302 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:47.360 That happened after the tournament. Wasn't the job was done? Yeah, 303 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:49.559 that is not what Pakistan did. 304 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.720 Even Suria's response, I think Nikol Nas from Sports Today 305 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.000 in here today. The first question he asked him in 306 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:59.559 that airport interview, wash is the trophy? Suriya Kumar said, 307 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.039 I have fifteen trophies with me in my dressing room. 308 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:04.759 All my team officials are prophies. Gotham movie is of 309 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.519 course a big gift to this team. So yeah, so 310 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.000 as in like like what I what I wanted to 311 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:14.279 say was India took a stand. Understand that there is 312 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.279 a difference between what India and Pakistan players how they behaved. 313 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.319 India took a stand. You believe in whatever you believe 314 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.160 is right, whether you're forced to believe in that as 315 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.680 an in this case, whether it came from the top 316 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.400 to not shake hands with the team, as far as 317 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.400 the team was concerned, Sukumar said, I took this call 318 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.440 and if you hear the first press conference, he clearly 319 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.880 said I didn't force my players to even take this call. 320 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:42.640 But everybody has a collective desired that they would not 321 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:46.480 shake hands. That is a stand. Doing this and you know, 322 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:49.680 doing this is not a stand. It's a provocative it's 323 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.799 a propagator, personal capacity made and it comes at a 324 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:57.519 very bad time. Also, right, lives have been lost. Tasteless, 325 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:02.200 it's tasteless, it's tasteless. Terror tech and then cross border attentions. 326 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.440 You know, you can't equate both, but lives have been lost, right, 327 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:10.279 and it's it's it's just the narratives that each government. Yeah, 328 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:14.000 that's why I'm saying. Have you seen any board that 329 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.000 lets down their players, like the Pakistan cricket board, like 330 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.240 you throw them to the dogs. Like if you were 331 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:22.759 you should have asked you you uhould have asked your 332 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.559 players refrain from doing all this. You don't shake hands, 333 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.000 probably you don't come for any press conference. That's a stand. 334 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.240 But what you do, what you do on the field, 335 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:34.440 What the ugly reactions that they gave Harris from? What 336 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:36.839 was he trying to achieve by doing all that? In 337 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.759 the end gets it back? That's a very You don't 338 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.359 win the you don't win this, you know, gesture battle 339 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:49.200 also your reason why your team los loses. You face 340 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.119 you know, you face sickening trolls, from your own countrymen. 341 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.279 People says you're a you know, you're. 342 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.839 A against India. 343 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:01.279 He is. You're saying, if this is what your performances, 344 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:04.359 what will you focus on? Imagine if I am not 345 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:07.519 good at studies, I will not, you know, do these 346 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.319 extra collegory activities. I'll focus on getting better at that 347 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.039 because that's paying my paying my foot bills. You know, 348 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:16.920 I can't understand they've been thrown to the dogs. I 349 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.079 feel bad for players like this. You know, someone like 350 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.759 Salma Ali throughout the tournament, his conduct was really good 351 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:25.039 if you look at it. He never, you know, he 352 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.799 never even in the press conferences he said, they are 353 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.079 taking their stand. What can we do about it? I 354 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.920 felt disappointed. I have never seen someone not shaking hands 355 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:38.160 with me. That line was appreciable, but anything else that 356 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.200 the Pakistan players did, someone like a Hurries rof, someone 357 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:44.240 like ship Zadafarhan and then going to the IC and saying, 358 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.240 according to reports, Hrisrov asked the match revery six nil, 359 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:49.920 what do you mean? What do you what do you 360 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.279 mean of it? Eventually he was fine. I don't know 361 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:55.720 why Surya Kumar was fine for taking that stance. Maybe 362 00:19:55.759 --> 00:20:00.319 it was breaching some ICC rules or something. You know, 363 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:03.519 but there was a difference between what India players did 364 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:05.640 and what Pakistan. You say is what I think, Like, 365 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.279 that's a brilliant point that you make. That PCB let 366 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:12.200 down its players. It's a sensitive time. Your actions should 367 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:15.759 be thought out, like how he said, what okay, India 368 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:17.720 is not shaking hands. PCB could have put out a 369 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:20.839 statement saying we have told our players not to engage 370 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:22.960 in any kind of activities with the Indian team. 371 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:26.000 We will not going forward, not shake their hands. 372 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:28.279 You don't play that match. You should have boycotted that 373 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:32.000 match if you really believe that India not shaking hands 374 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.240 hurt you. But then you went after a man who 375 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:37.319 had probably nothing nothing to do. This is what this 376 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.000 is what Pakistan. This is the pc we does. Yeah, 377 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.720 this is the posturing and they don't think like I 378 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:47.119 thought in this tournament so personal capacity. May I think 379 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:50.519 what Surya Kuma when Surakumar decided that they won't shake 380 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:53.400 hands was wrong, But like says, yes that it's a 381 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.680 personal choice. You believe what you believe and you stick 382 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.160 to it. Yeah. I thought at that time that now 383 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.200 Pakistan have found a brilliant way where they can be 384 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.480 the bigger person here, they can show the world that, 385 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:06.319 you know, they did not want to shake hands. We 386 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:09.400 respect their call, but tk we would have wanted to nothing. 387 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:14.240 They decided to go full petty by taking on Piecraft, 388 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:18.519 by taking on Indian players, threatening to boycott, disrespecting the 389 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.319 UA team, and it was a spiral from there on. 390 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:27.519 Nothing that Pakistan cricket board does is thought through that 391 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:29.880 Super four match. Yeah, of course if you look at it. 392 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:32.680 During the group game there was nothing of this, you 393 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:37.119 know shit that happened. But during the Super four game 394 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.759 is when the ugly just just started and said, like 395 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.559 you said, many people in our own country might disagree 396 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.079 with the stand that Indian team took. When you're on 397 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:51.240 a cricket field, probably you should shake hands. Probably you 398 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.759 should do this. There are people who asked, Okay, when 399 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:56.200 the basis allows the team and the Indian government allows 400 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:58.480 the team to play, then what's the point of not 401 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:01.240