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<v Speaker 1>We are down to the final two days of Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>week with Wicked and Grim. Welcome. My name is Jacko

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<v Speaker 1>and I will be your master of ceremonies for the

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<v Speaker 1>remaining two days. We hope you enjoyed last episode as

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<v Speaker 1>we conversed and dove into the world of the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Eyed Children. Hopefully it didn't entice any to come visit you,

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<v Speaker 1>but if they haven't, maybe they will. On All Hallosy today, however,

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<v Speaker 1>we are talking about something much more sinister then children.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the Blood Countess herself. But to get

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<v Speaker 1>those details, as always, we need our hosts, So here

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<v Speaker 1>they are. Without further ado then and Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Jacko again for that awesome introductions.

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<v Speaker 3>Jacko is getting some stellar reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>He is like, people are fucking loving jack He's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be missed, I think so. I'm like already a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit heartbroken knowing that.

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<v Speaker 3>He's actually just saying that. My heart going to say, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean the time with Jacko has been pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he'll come back next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm sure he'll grace our presence again at one point.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he will. I don't think we would be

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to get Jacko's flame snuffed out eternally now by

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<v Speaker 2>the listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it could happened. No, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>he would allow it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I am like willing to bet

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<v Speaker 2>that he would. Yeah, so black Eyed Children, that was

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<v Speaker 2>that was a ride?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, that intro like, holy shit, holy no one

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<v Speaker 3>has seen any of them, that little episode. That's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit much.

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<v Speaker 2>So what have we covered so far? What have we gotten?

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<v Speaker 2>We got Robert the Dahl nineteen eleven, the baseball game,

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<v Speaker 2>we got the three epic urban legends, Mary Shelley, Mary Shelley, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Black Eyed Children? How many is that that we just listed?

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<v Speaker 2>Five?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're moving on today to a crazy story.

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<v Speaker 3>It just gets worse and worse here, or better and better,

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<v Speaker 3>whichever way you want to look at.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's more entertaining, but it's much more sinister as

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<v Speaker 2>we go for this one. Like few women's crimes have

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<v Speaker 2>gone through history as much as those as the Countess

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Bathory a k a. The Blood Countess, which is

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<v Speaker 2>who we're talking about today. This is a fucking holy

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<v Speaker 2>This is a this is a tale. Let me tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that. Yeah, are you ready for this.

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<v Speaker 3>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>As you're drinking red wine, I think, well, no.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not even red wine. It's actually raspberry cider.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Very I was, and I'm like, sweet, I should have

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<v Speaker 3>maybe picked a different color.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're familiar with this case, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>we're about to dive into. But even if you are

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<v Speaker 2>unfamiliar with the with the case and with the name

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Bathory, the chances are you've actually heard the stories

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<v Speaker 2>about her legendary sadism period. Perhaps you're aware that she

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<v Speaker 2>holds maybe the honor of being the world's most prolific

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<v Speaker 2>female murderer. Oh yeah, as dictated by the Guinness Book

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<v Speaker 2>of World Records. In fact, yeah, or maybe I would

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<v Speaker 2>think so, but it is a title, or maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>would actually uh heard her mentioned as a key influence

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, just a little old novel named I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, Dracula.

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<v Speaker 3>What oh yeah? Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds intriguing, and some even argue that she is

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<v Speaker 2>the legendary Bloody Mary herself.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Bloody Mary, of course, being the infamous urban legend

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<v Speaker 2>where you go into a dark bathroom approach the mirror

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<v Speaker 2>holding a lit candle, chant bloody Mary a number of times,

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<v Speaker 2>and there in the mirror she will appear covered in blood.

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<v Speaker 3>I've tried that before.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you successful?

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<v Speaker 3>No? And I think I, like fall didn't follow the

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<v Speaker 3>steps completely right because I actually was like subconsciously not

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to see the shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, who would want to see some scary bitch appeared

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<v Speaker 2>in a mirror covered in blood?

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<v Speaker 3>I definitely didn't do it right. Well, I was like

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<v Speaker 3>a child, and I was like, oh, I'll try this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably a good thing you didn't do it right

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<v Speaker 2>because could you imagine if she appeared, Oh, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Would have been scarred for life. Yeah, like I think

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<v Speaker 3>my whole life would probably have changed it. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be weird right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, chances are you might have not have survived that

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<v Speaker 2>encounter because there's like there's stories of her like viciously

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<v Speaker 2>attacking or gouging your eyes out and shit like. It's

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<v Speaker 2>of course the accounts vary, but oh my gosh, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes she's nice, sometimes she's mean, Sometimes she's a witch,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes she's a zombie. Urban legends they go.

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<v Speaker 3>Along the place, right, Okay, I'm pop, this is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we'll buckley your seatbelts because this is the

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<v Speaker 2>tale of the blood Countess. Let's dive in. So Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 2>Bathory was born on a family estate in Hungary on

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<v Speaker 2>August seventh, in fifteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 3>Hotly, Yeah, it's a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>She was the daughter of Baron George's fifth Bathory and

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<v Speaker 2>Baroness and Bathory. She descended from multiple noble lineages, including

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<v Speaker 2>the King of Poland and the Prince of Transylvania. Like

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking fucking high up, like fancy dancing motherfuckers here.

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<v Speaker 2>The said bloodline was actually also a result of generational

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<v Speaker 2>inbreeding as well, so they kept it within the family,

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<v Speaker 2>which was not abnormal for that time, like royal with royal,

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<v Speaker 2>keep the royal bloodline clean, you know sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I kind of snubbed it, but I guess that's

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<v Speaker 3>a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's still nasty, but that's just what the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Is worse, what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, yeah, her parents were actually closely related, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's thought that this may have actually been the source

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<v Speaker 2>of number of health problems that Elizabeth had as a child.

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<v Speaker 2>She suffered from severe epileptic seizures that led to an

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<v Speaker 2>array of like pseudo cures that inspired many of the

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculously insidious stories and vampiric legends surrounding her. One speculative

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<v Speaker 2>story goes that the that a cure that they used

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<v Speaker 2>for her seizures was that they would rub blood of

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<v Speaker 2>a quote unquote non sufferer onto her lips, sometimes with

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of their skull.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, what like they would kill people to do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Then, yes, and they would take a piece of the

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<v Speaker 2>skull with their blood and rub it on her lips.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, in what right mind would you think

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<v Speaker 3>that would work?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. This is the fifteen hundreds. It's quite

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<v Speaker 2>a cracky cure where it's like, I don't know, you

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<v Speaker 2>got ghosts in your blood? Try cocaine. That's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>that type of stuff, you know. But wow, So these

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<v Speaker 2>are speculative stories. We don't know. Or another one is

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<v Speaker 2>that she was taught at a young age the cruelty

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<v Speaker 2>that she knew so well by her parents directly and

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<v Speaker 2>was introduced to witchcraft.

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<v Speaker 3>So the family had some things going on, is what

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<v Speaker 3>you're basically saying. Well, they might not have been the

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<v Speaker 3>best of people.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not. However, these stories. We don't know if they're true.

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<v Speaker 2>None of these stories can be backed up. What we

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<v Speaker 2>do we don't know much about her young age. This

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<v Speaker 2>is just urban legends that have gone on through the

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<v Speaker 2>age of sort of thing like documentary documentation is extremely

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<v Speaker 2>hard to come by, So anything that we do know

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<v Speaker 2>regarding her younger age is strictly theories. Basically.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've done cases that are from like the early

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen hundreds and I have found it hard. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's like way gone back.

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<v Speaker 2>What we do know about her younger years though, that

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<v Speaker 2>she was raised in luxury and had a level of

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<v Speaker 2>privilege that was denied to the vast majority of the

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<v Speaker 2>Hungarians citizens. I was going to say civilizations and citizens

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, it just came out civilis. So

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of ten, Elizabeth was engaged to Phenic

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<v Speaker 2>nad Dasdy, a nobleman, an heir to one of the

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<v Speaker 2>wealthiest dynasties in the region. Although he was wealthy, he

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<v Speaker 2>was technically of lower social status standings than Elizabeth, even

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of ten, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>And this was a man, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it wasn't a man, it was They weren't that

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<v Speaker 2>far apart in age. Actually, they married when she was

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen and he was nineteen, so he's only four years

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<v Speaker 2>older than her. Yeah, so he would have been fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>she would have been ten when they were engaged.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. Could you imagine, though, Hey, like a fourteen year

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<v Speaker 3>old asking n ten year old to marry them. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't that's playground.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's like how this would work.

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<v Speaker 2>I think yeah, it would have more been like your

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<v Speaker 2>son will marry my daughter. Of course, cheers over this

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<v Speaker 2>elaborate dinner that we will have for the next ten days,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like that sort of shit.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. So when they did get married, though,

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<v Speaker 2>his wedding gift to Elizabeth was his household. Whoa, but

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just it was not just a house. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not not even just a fucking mansion either, for that matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a fucking castle. A castle.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I feel like I got jipped on the wedding

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<v Speaker 3>gift department.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the same it's castle and I'm gonna probably pronounce

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<v Speaker 2>this wrong. I had to look up phonetically how to

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<v Speaker 2>say it. Kachi check, but it's spelt really weird because

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<v Speaker 2>another language. But castle kuchi check. Which is located on

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<v Speaker 2>the lower end of Carpathian of the Carpathian Mountains. During

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<v Speaker 2>their marriage, they conceived at least five children. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>rumor of a sixth, but only three survived infancy. Okay again,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundreds weird times. People die all the.

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<v Speaker 3>Time, right, Well, yeah, they didn't have like the means

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<v Speaker 3>of saving people really to the extent we do today.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Yeah, Frenick was a part of many Hungarian wars.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a thirst for blood, and it's often said

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<v Speaker 2>that on the battlefield he would take the wounded soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>and impale them onto wooden stakes to watch them writhe

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<v Speaker 2>and scream in pain while they slowly died, a painful death,

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<v Speaker 2>much like that of someone who is said to be

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<v Speaker 2>related to Elizabeth Vlad the Impaler, who was the original

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration for Dracula.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I'm sorry, but like, who on earth

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<v Speaker 3>would enjoy watching something like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, shit, Uh, there's clearly some people.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, yeah, clearly there are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, times have definitely changed, though there still are people.

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<v Speaker 2>Though there still are some, but I mean out there,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. Like back at that time, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>people hanging from the gallows all the time. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>like the townsfolk would come and watch like it was

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<v Speaker 2>a pastime activity, you know. Oh, anyways, hangings and imhalings aside.

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<v Speaker 2>It was only a few years after the wedding when

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<v Speaker 2>Farenik was promoted to chief commander of the Hungarian troops

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<v Speaker 2>and was sent to war against the Ottoman Empire, which

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<v Speaker 2>and it was here that he was actually given the

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<v Speaker 2>nickname the Black Night of Hungary, which sounds fucking badass, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It also sounds like he's an asshole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't know which one sounds more badass,

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<v Speaker 2>the Black Night of Hungary or the Blood Countess. Probably

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<v Speaker 2>the Blood Countess. That's that sounds really fucking dope.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Scariest shit though, so after twenty nine years of marriage, however,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a little A little while later, Frennick

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<v Speaker 2>was stricken with an unknown disease. Maybe it was karma

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, all the shit he did in the battlefield,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it was just the odds weren't in his

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<v Speaker 2>cure or take care of in you know, sixteen hundred

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<v Speaker 2>sort of, yeah, regardless. On the fourth of January sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh four, at the age of forty eight, after twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine years of marriage to Elizabeth, Elizabeth Frennick passed away. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>in Hungarian tradition, a widow generally stays out of the

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<v Speaker 2>public eye while mourning her husband's death for a year.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, yes, a whole year, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole year of mourning, yes, which I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean, grant you, it does take that long. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>just like interesting that they're not supposed to be seen

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure you could be like seen, but like

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<v Speaker 2>generally you just not doing much, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and you have all the help at home and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So sure, if you want to go for a stroll

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<v Speaker 2>in the park or something, I'm sure that's acceptable, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're not out doing political things or whatever. Like Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 2>was right, Okay, So, like I said, she's out doing

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff. Clearly she didn't do this. She in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>first off, took a trip to Vienna and went on

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<v Speaker 2>elaborate shopping spree, buying fine clothing and weares for herself

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<v Speaker 2>as well as her servants.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's honestly one way to mourn. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 3>a huge distraction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. It's definitely a distraction. You know, fucking

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<v Speaker 2>makeover man, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, that's that's what she did immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for her. Really, I don't know, I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>not I don't know. I don't think that's a terrible thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely a coping mechanism. Whether she was coping or not,

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<v Speaker 2>that would definitely be a means of it. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 2>when she got back, she stayed a public figure. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, she was involved in many political affairs. Her

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<v Speaker 2>and her late husband were actually owed several debts that

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't about to uh you know, forget.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh she means business, yeah, this woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was about this time, however, that rumors of

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth's thirst for blood began to spread. Word of her

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<v Speaker 2>capturing young girls and torturing them. But these were just rumors,

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<v Speaker 2>right were they doubtful are infamous? Dun, dun, dun.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doubting they're just rumors.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, given the name or title she has and the

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<v Speaker 2>Guinness Book of Record thing, yeah, I'm pretty sure you

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<v Speaker 2>can guess. The rumors kept growing and kept spreading and

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<v Speaker 2>it eventually began became too much to be ignored. In

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen ten, King Matthias the Second would assign two individuals

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<v Speaker 2>to collect evidence on the allegations and rumors made again her.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is like interesting because these rumors went

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<v Speaker 2>on for like, was it like eight years before anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Was done about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was six It wasn't even it was

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe like it was within the year. It was

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<v Speaker 2>still sixteen oh four when these allegations started spreading. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so her husband died, she went on this trip, she

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<v Speaker 2>was still doing stuff in the public eye, still within

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<v Speaker 2>that year, and all this is happening, and then rumors

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<v Speaker 2>began to spread the same year. And now we're at

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen ten and they're finally looking into it, actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing something about it. That's actually yeah, that's a long

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<v Speaker 3>time it is, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean fair enough. I understand she's a quite like high

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<v Speaker 2>wealth and status.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would be almost like a Rocky might not

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<v Speaker 3>want to turn over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's it's still just interesting to me that

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<v Speaker 2>they let it go for that long, Like, oh, she

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<v Speaker 2>could potentially be murdering children, Eh, she's rich, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>children young girls, yes, so like and stuff. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the allegation. Young girls.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh geez, okay, not that it would be any better

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<v Speaker 3>if those older women, but I don't know. Lots of

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<v Speaker 3>times when they're young, like I mean, they just have

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<v Speaker 3>their life ahead of them, right, and then it taken away.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just extra.

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<v Speaker 2>Shitty, definitely, because I mean, they didn't get to live really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, their potential nothing exactly. So hundreds of testimonies

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<v Speaker 2>were collected from townspeople, Elizabeth's staff members, and even apparent

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<v Speaker 2>survivors from her dealings. What they revealed was nothing short

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<v Speaker 2>of horrifying. Elizabeth was in fact abducting young girls on average,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently by the age of ten. They were anywhere from

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<v Speaker 2>the age of six to fourteen. What I found varying

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<v Speaker 2>accounts on those age seems like every source they went

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<v Speaker 2>to it was different, so it's like averages ten. But

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<v Speaker 2>I did find a few accounts of as low as.

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<v Speaker 3>Six geez, oh my gosh. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So she would abduct these young girls and she

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<v Speaker 2>would hold them up in her property. There the girls

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<v Speaker 2>would be beaten severely and repeatedly by her. By her,

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<v Speaker 2>they would be mutilated, and they would be put into

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<v Speaker 2>freezing temperatures. And they would be left to starve to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Some girls were allegedly burned again repeatedly with hot tongs

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<v Speaker 2>and other burning pieces of iron. Others had parts of

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<v Speaker 2>their body, including their face, bitten off. What and some

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<v Speaker 2>were wounded and covered in honey then left for the

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<v Speaker 2>ants and insects to dive.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy crap, that's like some brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit she enjoyed inflicting pain.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And those are children, yeah, on average between the age

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<v Speaker 2>of six to fourteen, from what I could find.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Like I just couldn't imagine just watching, like because

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<v Speaker 3>that's like a kid, yeah, struggling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she would sit there, prod them with hot

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<v Speaker 2>irons and do all this, watch the screaming and crying,

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<v Speaker 2>and she would, I would assume, just laugh and keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy shit, she's a monster. Yeah, Like that is a monster. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there are, of course, the infamous allegations that Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 2>would collect blood from her victims, and only virgin victims

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, and that she would bathe in the blood

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<v Speaker 2>to conserve her youth, you know, like putting moisturize here

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<v Speaker 2>on your skin sort of thing. Same thing, And to

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<v Speaker 2>be fair, you can't bathe in blood without also enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>a nice tall glass of it for good metag.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, are you serious?

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<v Speaker 2>So there is also those allegations. However, however, those two accounts,

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<v Speaker 2>those stories didn't become part of her lore until she

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<v Speaker 2>was already dead for over a century. The claim first

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<v Speaker 2>appeared in print in seventeen twenty nine in the work

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<v Speaker 2>of a Jesuit scholar by the name of this is

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<v Speaker 2>can be really fucking hard to pronounce Laslow, but the

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<v Speaker 2>last name Turosi Troxy. No witness accounts from her trial

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<v Speaker 2>or testimonies ever make reference to baths of blood, so

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<v Speaker 2>as far as we can tell, those are strictly fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do want to say one thing real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Her biting in like the faces and body parts of

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<v Speaker 2>her victims could lead to the consumption of cannibalism, which

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<v Speaker 2>are at some allegations at times, and consumption of the

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<v Speaker 2>blood that is gross.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, just two really quick things. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to say that she was because back then, like they

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<v Speaker 3>were like marrying really young and stuff. So that's why

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<v Speaker 3>I was just going so young if she wanted them

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<v Speaker 3>to be virgins or whatever, right, yeap? And then even

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<v Speaker 3>with that whole thing you had said at the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>where they were rubbing blood blood on her, she like

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<v Speaker 3>almost grew up with maybe the taste of blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's where that theory comes in, is that she

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<v Speaker 2>had this taste for blood. So this story is emerged

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<v Speaker 2>that for her seizures, this was a treatment which gave

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<v Speaker 2>her the development of a taste for blood. Yeah, However,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no proof of that treatment for her seizures.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems to strictly be legend and lore.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 2>As well as the consumption of blood. We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>sure though that the consumption of blood might be plausible,

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<v Speaker 2>but the bathing and blood there is zero evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really wishing that I brought a different drink choice

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<v Speaker 3>because now, like every time I go to drink this,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just like, oh my gosh, Like does it need

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<v Speaker 3>to be bright red? Like? Does it need to be?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you chose a good one for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, okay, yeah, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get into her number here. Her number,

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<v Speaker 2>her body.

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<v Speaker 3>Count, oh boy, do we want to know?

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<v Speaker 2>Is said to be at least greater than eighty wow,

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<v Speaker 2>but upwards of six hundred and fifty.

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<v Speaker 4>What yes, holy shit, six hundred and fifty children. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>did she like what kind of how many people lived

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<v Speaker 4>in the town that she lived in?

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<v Speaker 2>You're just fucking stammering.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, well, I'm just like fla humbergasted. Yeah, you people

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<v Speaker 3>lived in that fucking town.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but now you understand the uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>how she got her Guinness World records.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and now I really don't understand why it took

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<v Speaker 3>them so fucking long, because that is a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people to be going missing, that is.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, it's not like when people go missing

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<v Speaker 2>in that day and age. It's not like you go

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<v Speaker 2>to the police and report it and they write up

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<v Speaker 2>a report and send it. It's like my kid is missing, Cool, lady,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck off, we got some farmers we got to go

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<v Speaker 2>get taxes from.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know that they might have taken it more serious.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure if it's like peasants and stuff on the street,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't give a fuck in that d age.

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<v Speaker 3>But if in a year's span there's like fucking thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Or one hundred, I'm sure he just ran off. Oh jeez,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there were some reports, and some reports take

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<v Speaker 2>it seriously. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate here

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<v Speaker 2>and say that I'm sure majority of them they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>give a fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't like that answer. I'm sorry, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>bullshit answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Well, it was on December thirtieth of sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>ten that Elizabeth was arrested in her home along with

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<v Speaker 2>four of her servants were who were allegedly a part

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<v Speaker 2>of Elizabeth's crimes as they helped her carry him out.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, which is kind of shitty for them because they

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<v Speaker 3>probably didn't even have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Choice, probably, although I mean, she went out shopping and

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<v Speaker 2>bought them a bunch of gifts and stuff and like clothes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure they were, like, you know, pretty tight

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<v Speaker 2>with her too, so maybe they.

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<v Speaker 3>Were willing participants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the trial itself was called into question. However, even

427
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<v Speaker 2>at this time, like this day and age sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>many witnesses could not actually offer firsthand evidence, but would

429
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<v Speaker 2>insist that they heard from a friend of a friend

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<v Speaker 2>or whoever, that Elizabeth was actually doing these things. Many

431
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<v Speaker 2>servants did confess to the heinous crimes of their mistress,

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<v Speaker 2>but only after long, intense torture.

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<v Speaker 3>Sessions, which you have to wonder if you can fully

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<v Speaker 3>believe that or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Now, given her major social status that put off

436
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<v Speaker 2>the investigation for like eight years. It was actually decided

437
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<v Speaker 2>that a public trial and execution would have been too

438
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<v Speaker 2>scandalous and would have such a severe impact on the

439
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<v Speaker 2>Hungarian country, so instead she was put on house arrest.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, you're kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>But house arrests in the sixteen hundreds is not the

442
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<v Speaker 2>house arrest you would think of today.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In her house she was bricked up where she had

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<v Speaker 2>access to only a few rooms and was given a

446
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<v Speaker 2>few small holes in the bricks for ventilation and access

447
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<v Speaker 2>to food and water.

448
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<v Speaker 3>Oh so it actually is kind of like a jail thing.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a prison in her own home.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So there. She remained in the castle of Kachichek for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of her life, and then died in her

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<v Speaker 2>sleep on August twenty first, sixteen fourteen, only slightly over

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<v Speaker 2>three years later, at the age of fifty four. Her servants, however,

455
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<v Speaker 2>who were involved with her, were not quite so lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>They were put on trial and subsequently hung for witchcraft.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, but like, they wouldn't probably have even hung her,

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<v Speaker 3>or did they get hung before she passed, even like

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<v Speaker 3>she probably wasn't even going to ever be hung.

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<v Speaker 2>They thought about it, but they thought, you know, it's

461
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<v Speaker 2>just like too high profile and too scandalous, so they

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<v Speaker 2>house arrest instead.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course the servant's low profile enough. Wow, kill them.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder what she died of.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not too sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Die peacefully in her sleep. I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 3>peacefully with fucking bitch fuck you.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to die peacefully one day, not right now, not.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, but like, yeah, that's that would be the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way to go, really, mm hmm, just nice and quiet,

472
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<v Speaker 2>just off in your own rather than I don't know,

473
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<v Speaker 2>having some little black eyed children knock on your front door.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, they will kill you, remember, okay, Or

475
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<v Speaker 3>being strung up in a dungeon at the age of

476
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<v Speaker 3>like six and being.

477
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Prodded with hot iron and having your blood drained and

478
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<v Speaker 2>eaten alive by ants.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, no, yeah, oh yeah no for sure, eh

480
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<v Speaker 3>yeah no.

481
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<v Speaker 2>So some actually believe that Elizabeth didn't really do any

482
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<v Speaker 2>of these things that she's guilty of because there was

483
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<v Speaker 2>such a lack of evidence. One theory is that the

484
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<v Speaker 2>debts she was owed by many nobles and royalty was

485
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<v Speaker 2>too great, and a way to discredit her and the

486
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.319
<v Speaker 2>debts and to sweep them under the rug was to

487
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<v Speaker 2>chase the false accusations of murder and witchcraft that led

488
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<v Speaker 2>to her being imprisoned in her home and all these

489
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 2>nobles and royalty got away without paying the debts. Really, yeah,

490
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<v Speaker 2>that's one theory.

491
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<v Speaker 3>That people were just making this shit up to save

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<v Speaker 3>themselves some money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah huh. I mean how often, like think back to

494
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<v Speaker 2>like Salem witch trials. Someone didn't like someone witchcraft, she's

495
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:26.359
<v Speaker 2>a witch? Burn her?

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<v Speaker 3>That's true.

497
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<v Speaker 2>Actually, what's the difference?

498
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<v Speaker 3>Yikes?

499
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<v Speaker 2>So that is the story of the blood Countess.

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<v Speaker 3>Well then it's interesting Zizbeth pathy sorry brains still going

501
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 3>that they would wait until like her husband almost wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>the picture to do like this shit potentially too, Like

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<v Speaker 3>if he was still alive, they wouldn't have probably been

504
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<v Speaker 3>doing these things, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well very very likely actually, but they would have

506
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<v Speaker 2>had to find some other way. They probably holding for

507
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<v Speaker 2>him to die in the battlefield even mmmm.

508
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.039
<v Speaker 3>And then this bitch was still collect wanted to collect

509
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<v Speaker 3>their debts, and they're like no.

510
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<v Speaker 2>No, no, yeah, or maybe it could have just been that,

511
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<v Speaker 2>you know, they weren't calling on the debts, and then

512
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<v Speaker 2>when her husband died, she finally said, Okay, pay those

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<v Speaker 2>debts back, and they're like wait seriously, She's like yeah,

514
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>and then.

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00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 3>They panic yeah, or and then they're like, here's my

516
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:29.720
<v Speaker 3>young virgin children. You can have them.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, maybe go bathing their blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Hate that. Well, I'm gonna go have a nice hot bath.

519
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<v Speaker 3>Just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a story. You can go down the rabbit

521
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>hole too. There's a lot of little bit of information.

522
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:50.480
<v Speaker 2>There's documentaries again, it inspired books, it's inspired movies. There's

523
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 2>info galore out there. We only scratch the surface. I

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00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 2>thought I thought about maybe not doing this for Halloween

525
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.279
<v Speaker 2>and doing a full app on it later.

526
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 3>But it's just too good.

527
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 2>It's too good.

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00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So oh no, that was awesome. That's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It was good. Listen, So what do you got for

530
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<v Speaker 2>us tomorrow on Halloween?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

532
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<v Speaker 2>A're you gonna tell us so you can make us

533
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<v Speaker 2>weight and suspense.

534
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what should I do.

535
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<v Speaker 2>That's up to you. I know what it is, but

536
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:22.480
<v Speaker 2>you do know.

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<v Speaker 3>What it is. It's like I don't know. I could

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<v Speaker 3>say it's I don't even know how it Google. We'll

539
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<v Speaker 3>go about doing a hand eat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how's this? This is a paranormal case that has

541
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<v Speaker 2>inspired several Hollywood blockbusters.

542
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it's like at true story. Yes, so I

543
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:44.119
<v Speaker 3>think actually people can guess it by that.

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00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I think I think so. But it's it's good to

545
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<v Speaker 2>look forward to a little bit too, and it can

546
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<v Speaker 2>keep you guessing. Even if you guess it, you might

547
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<v Speaker 2>be wrong.

548
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.000
<v Speaker 3>You never know until you it could drops.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you'll have to find out tomorrow. And where

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<v Speaker 2>can people find our socials?

551
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<v Speaker 3>Well? Ben, I was gonna say Benjamin. That name, well Ben, Facebook,

552
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.680
<v Speaker 3>I say a different order every time, Instagram, Patreon, and

553
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.119
<v Speaker 3>we have a website, which is the one I usually forget.

554
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.119
<v Speaker 2>And where are they Wicked and Grim? But where can

555
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>they find the links? I don't know the description of

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast? Oh shit, yeah, there you go, ill the

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<v Speaker 2>links in the show notes, the description down below. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course you guys, thanks for listening, Thanks tuning in.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk to you tomorrow. Them on all hallows

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<v Speaker 3>E yikes, that's exciting, And until then, stay wicked
