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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Siko's I am Dana Valley coming

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at you with the One the Only mister Mortensen of

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the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of Forbes,

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his fame, and of most importantly only fans, celebrity. Moret

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is back from a much needed break, while Grant is

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away on a much needed break, and we're trying to

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figure out what's to talk about today. We were gonna

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do teams that have unfinished business, but we decided not

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to short shrift everybody. We're gonna do every team and

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talk about unfinished business that they have, break it up

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into the East and the West. If you are watching this,

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per the title, it is the Western Conference we begin

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with before we get started, though, first and foremost, we're

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always working through some potential mic issues. So if anyone's

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not hearing us as well on YouTube is where it

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seems to be the biggest issue, let you know and

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I will adjust in real time. But this is an

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impromptu stream, so maybe nobody he's watching this is all

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I would say. But second, and actually most importantly more,

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how the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing very very well. As you can see, I

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finally have a slightly different background now because my wife

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started actually putting the the entire cupboard up and like

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or not, what do you call it, like the whole thing. Yeah, closet,

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the clauset. There we go, thank you. Yes, I'm tired.

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I've look, I've been I've been doing. I've been on vacation, Dan,

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I haven't even spoken English all that much for a change.

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That's really weird, Like I'm trying to remember words that

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just came out. Like there was a point in time

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during the regular season where I had an argument with

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my wife, not a fight, an argument, and all of

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a sudden, she told me, you do know you've been

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speaking English to me for the past twenty minutes, right.

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I was like what? And I just switched switched over,

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And now I'm having a hard time switching over to

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actual English. I think my mind and my brain just

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needed the time off. So I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Good for you. So anyone who doesn't know that More

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doesn't live in America. He's from West Vermont, so like

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the western part of Vermont. So that's why he wasn't

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speaking English. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. We're glad

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that you got a break. I will say I have

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one complaint about the background, as it feels like you're

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now adding layers to the equation. Not only are you

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wearing more clothes, but now you've actively put more clothes

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behind you. It kind of ruins the only fans mystique

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of it all. So that was my one complaint.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's actually it's been windy today, so it's

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been very like it's tempered weather, which I greatly appreciate

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because like, it's just been so warm. We came back

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from Spain a couple of weeks ago as well, Like

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it's it's been a hot summer. So for me to

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actually have it have it a little bit cool was nice.

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But I did know that by wearing a polo shirt

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I would disappoint you greatly. I didn't know that, and

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I feel bad about it. Dan, So after the show

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is done, I'll show a little something.

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Speaker 1: Something thank you, and look, I might get hot and

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bothered anyway, because before I jumped on our Central Air

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kind of was doing something finicky. All I can say

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is that thousands of dollars well spent within the past

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eighteen months on something that's a little bit finicky. That's

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not why people are here to talk. We're gonna go

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alphabetically through the Western Conference. The one rule I set

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that I didn't tell more about, but I'm sure that

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he could have guessed it based off the list I

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sent him is we buy and large. Unless I just

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didn't really find anything else interesting. We're steering clear of

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like the rookie extension business, like the Christian Brown, the

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Keegan Murray, like those dudes. We want to see if

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they get deals, but a lot of times that doesn't

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really happen until training camp comes back. Anyway, So we're

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gonna try and focus on other parts of unfinished business.

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Speaker 2: And yet you have penciled in Tarry Easton to talk about.

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Speaker 1: As an honorable mention with the Rockets. Oh so that

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was not the main squeeze, as you will see. Let's

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get started, though. We begin with the Dallas Mavericks mort

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this one, I mean, speaking of almost training camp opening PG.

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for anyone who's listening, cat projections get a little weird.

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I'm just basing it off seven percent projections. I know

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everyone else has ten percent baked in, but I'm an

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alarmist by trade. So it went up seven percent this year.

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That's what I'm penciling it in for for the future.

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It can be like four years, eighty six, eighty seven

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million dollars. Can't sign it, I think until August twenty ninth.

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if you're the MAVs about the PJ Washington extension or

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just PJ Washington in general.

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Speaker 2: Look, PJ is not an old guy. Like he's twenty six,

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about to be twenty seven. I think he is one

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of those very crucial players that you need when you

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have an old team. And like this is a team

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that's trying to balance like the development of Cooper Flag

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and Derek Lively. Let's not forget about Derek Lively, but

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that at the same time, yeah, right, and like you're

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still playing a ton of minutes at like Ad Kyrie

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Caleb Martin who's only thirty. I think, but he plays

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like bridge that gap, I think, the age gap. And

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that makes PJ. Washington so so crucial because you know

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he's not on decline, he's not necessarily on his way up,

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like you can probably expect a very similar level of

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production as last year, and he was good last year.

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I think he was one of those guys who flew

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under the radar a little bit when Luca got traded.

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the flag lotteries like those who have been the primary

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storylines driven out of Dallas, where with PJ sort of

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flying under the radar. Yeah, I would probably try to

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extend him. The number is what's curious, right, because we've

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seen a lot of veteran extensions where we're kind of going, oh, like,

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and that's one of those consequences of a first a print,

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second a print situation. So I'm not going to see

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to her and say, oh, PJ. Washington should get like

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twenty twenty five million a year, because I have no

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idea what the market is trying to like peck him at.

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If he walks away with like sixteen million a year,

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that is the world we might be living in. So

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the actual number is going to be pretty hard for me,

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at least to try to project.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's eligible. This is what's getting really freaky

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is that you look at his salary that he signed

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for as a restricted free agent with Charlotte, it's below

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the league's league's average, and so he's eligible for that

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one hundred and forty of the league's average salary extension.

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I don't know, I'm with you. I don't know if

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he hit the open market in a like this when

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you've gotten four for ninety, I don't know, just because

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of how few teams had cap space. But I think

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next summer, when you look at maybe a half dozen

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teams or more, maybe having the ability to offer that,

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more than reasonable. And if I'm the MAVs, I am

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gonna offer maybe not the full four years, maybe you

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go three three years out on that might be the way.

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to do something when you don't have Kyrie Irving until January, February,

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whatever it ends up being, and you have Cooper Flag developing.

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d Low, who in theory is oh, maybe not create

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as a driver, he's like so he I think you

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can make the case that despite their size, despite their

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defensive ceiling, he's more important than this season than he's

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Speaker 2: I have a question for you about.

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Speaker 1: I probably don't have an answer, but ask away.

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Speaker 2: I think, well, I think you might have an idea

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because we all know about ad Is insisting upon I'm

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a four, I'm not a five all that. Like PJ

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has primarily played the four, a little bit of five,

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very little bit of five, but like primarily four throughout

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the course of his career. Is this one of those

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situations where the MAVs should just basically say, well, you

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know what, Anthony, It's positions are meaningless, it's fine, and

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just blame him at center anyway, or should they try

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to put PJ down a slot because that I would

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feel not great about PJ as a three where he

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has a run around and chase, you know, quicker athletes.

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I think he's fine. I think he's a perfectly fine defender.

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time gig to chase three men or big shooting guards,

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for example, and have him run around screens. I don't

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think you're gonna get the best version of him, So

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Speaker 1: So I actually don't worry about that as much, especially

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if you're gonna have Anthony Davis plus Gafford or Lively

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as a backstop for him. And I think we saw

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a good amount of it last season anyway. But I

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think what you touch on that I find fascinating is

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you are leaving to me a lot of meat and

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potatoes on the table if you are saying, oh, Anthony

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get the lineups where it's not just a D and PJ. Washington,

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but it's like a D and then Cooper Flagg is

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your four. So that's where Cooper Flagg might do a

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lot of his damage too on offense. So I'm totally

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in agreement with the point there for you. I think

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with PJ specifically though, kind of whatever version of the

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lineup you want to see, he might need to be

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the day facto three though when you look at them,

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like in the minutes, okay, where both of your where

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there's only one big and Cooper flag on the bench. Sure,

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but like we're not. I mean, i'd be shocked, or

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I won't be shocked, but I'm assuming some some injuries

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have gone down in Dallas. If we see like any

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PJ Washington in the five this year though, that's.

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Speaker 2: For sure, agreed, agreed, that would that would be weird.

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It's just like, I feel like they're a little top heavy,

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so I just want to see how this shakes out.

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Speaker 1: They're I don't know, they're kind of sneaky deep.

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Speaker 2: Like Sorry, when I'm meant top heavy, I meant like

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the big, big position, Oh, the top position. Sorry, that

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was a very bad wording on my part.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also just like Naji Marshall is what like

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they are? So I think you could get to lineups

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where just like there's no point guard, like it's Cooper

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Flagg him and everyone's just it's like it's Naugy Marshall

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and pj and then a D and then whatever big

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you want. I don't know what that looks like offensively,

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but I think defensively that could be an absolute terror.

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So we're both in agreement. He should get an extension.

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If you had to predict before we move on, do

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you think he signs one? Or I'll say, let me

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say this, I'm gonna set the over under that he

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gets a three year or a four year extension would

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be my prediction.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually just gonna say under right now. I hope

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I'm wrong though, because I like pj PG should get paid.

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He's a good player. But maybe the Mavericks are looking

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at this situation and going, yeah, we need to we

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need to make sure that that position is clear for

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us moving forward because of flag Now the point you

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could just extend him and then trade him later though.

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that if you're the Mavericks, are you reticent to extend

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him now, because then he wouldn't be if you're giving

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him more than that twenty percent raise. So maybe that's

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the middle ground is do you just try and offer

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one hundred and twenty percents that you could still trade

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he won't be trade eligible this season. And we don't know.

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a blockbuster move, but he's one of their best assets

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as both a player and an expiring contract. If they

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want to go do anything on.

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Speaker 2: The trade market, well, honestly, do you really need to

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trade him this year? In that case, like, you could

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make a reasonable argument that he could he could spend

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the entire year in Dallas and then you could just

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flip in the summertime.

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Speaker 1: Legend famboy one oh one PJ to the Lakers. I mean,

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if they want to trade for Lebron James, he'd be

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like a nice salary slot to the street. That's the

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only way I would think that happened. I don't think

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LA is to give Dallas another first round pick for

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PJ Washington, but right, and that's also they don't need

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the like the Lakers don't need PJ. Like as long

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as Lebron and Luca like PJ. Washington's not someone and

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Ruey is there, they don't need They don't. Next up

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because we're going alphabetically is the Denver Nuggets. So I

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kind of have two questions for them, because one, I

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don't think people are gonna appreciate except for maybe more.

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Are they gonna duck the tax? We'll start here more

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before the offseason is over. They haven't until the end

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of the year to do it. But just based off

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what spo track has this at, it looks like because

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of Cam Johnson's not strictly because but because of his

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likely contract incentives he is, they are going to be

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a little bit into the tax, like right now, it's like, yeah,

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so is that something you just duck now to get

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it over with. They also were and hat tip Ryan Blackburn,

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this out because of the way they did the Valanchounis

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trade with him going into a trade exception, they're actually

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not hardcapped at the first apron. Now, I think that's

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a lot of like all pomp, no circumstance type deal

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where I don't expect them to Actually I think they're

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gonna duct the tax eventually. I think that's what they're

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gonna do. Yes, But they do have a lot of

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different ways that they could go because of the way

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they did structure their offseason.

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Speaker 2: Right, So what we have to remember here is this

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isn't just a payment of Yeah, so what would their

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tax bill be like a million one point two million

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something along those lines? According to spot track, that is

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not the full calculus. The full calculus is what you're

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giving up in not getting in from tax paying teams,

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right like that, So what would that be like eleven

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twelve million that you would get in by just not

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being a tax team. That is ultimately the big math thing.

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I don't think I've ever seen a team that's like

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four hundred k over the tax line which just didn't

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dodge it. But I do have a theory that's.

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Speaker 1: The Pelicans area where it's just like they're they're like

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always five million bucks or less, like oh way from

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or into the tax Doesn't it always feel that way.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point though, Yeah, they.

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Speaker 1: Actually and I think as we record this Spelcans it

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might be like five and a half million dollars below

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the tax line, so that actually fits.

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Speaker 2: But like I do have a theory because last year

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Deron Holmes didn't play obviously was that the see was

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it the acl or is it an achilles achilles? He

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had that was the worst one.

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Speaker 1: He looked good in summer league though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if he gets regular minutes, that's when I

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think you're trying to see if theories that take it

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for Sikh Nashi and like I have this sneakest suspicion

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that are actually going to try to place seek early

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on in the season just to see, like can he

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just produce for a few games, Like can he string

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together games where he produced it at a certain level,

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not to like, oh, let's make it part of a rotation,

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but like, are there any takers, like anyone, anyone on

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the line, anyone, Bueller, come on, go get him?

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Speaker 1: Do you so? So? One to add on to what

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you were talking about. As part of their calculus, the

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other thing they're thinking about with the tax is this

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is just another year where it doesn't start the repeater clock.

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And so if they're looking to kind of stay out

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of the tach like that's a big deal. So they

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are going to duckt the tacks. What they could do

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is wave and stretched Zeke nach By. I think it's

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August twenty ninth is the date this year, so they

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would just have like three point million dollars on their

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books for the next seven years, then you comfortably duck

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the tax I would be vehemently against that. I just don't.

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I know it's a small amount, but as look at

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what we're talking about right now, these thin margins matter,

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especially for these really good teams. I want to ask you,

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I think Nuggets fans would be against this, but I'm

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curious if even the team that I'm suggesting it would

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be for this, would you consider doing something like Peyton

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Watson and Zeke Naj for just Iodssummu? Is that enough

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for the Bulls to say We'll take on the rest

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of Zeke Naj Peyton Watson's in a contract year as well.

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I think Watson's the higher upside player, but I think

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Iodsumu is better right now. He will probably be cheaper

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in his next contract as well. Who do you think

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says no to something like that?

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Speaker 2: A zone signa and Peyton Watson for Io. Yeah, that's

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like the Bulls take on a Bluche here, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean they take on it's like ten million versus

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seven million or whatever it ends up being, or maybe

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it's twelve million versus whatever you could game it to

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make the math work. But the Zeke Nagy, like this year,

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they even after they resigned Josh Giddy, the Bulls should

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have a ton of legal re under the tacks. It's, oh,

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do you want three more years of Zeke Nagy on your.

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Speaker 2: What you're really doing here, You're you're actually paying the

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Bulls Peyton Watson to.

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Speaker 1: Get off Nase but also to get iOS right exactly.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate that. I don't. I will say I

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Peyton Watson is still intriguing to me. He really is,

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And I think I think the jury has been a

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little premature in just saying that he's not a guy

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like I do like Io, don't get me wrong, and

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next to Jokic, I think he'd be a lot of fun.

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If Jamal is like inconsistent over a stretch of the

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of the regular season, like you can sort of say, okay,

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we need consistency at the point guard position. Let's move

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Jamal a little bit more to the two over the

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next couple of games where he's not handling the ball

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as much, where his play isn't as ass dynamic, so

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there are some interesting parts there. Payton Watson is a

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big name though, Like if you could, if you could

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somehow convince the Bulls of doing it with someone else,

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maybe Strawther, that's that could also be.

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Speaker 1: I mean you could offer your twenty thirty two second still,

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so if that crush Strawther is on the table, I

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mean they're taking on less money in that scenario. Two.

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But I don't, like I was a really good player.

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And my other question was, like or move that they

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might need to address is do you think they need

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another backup like a backup point guard or a backup

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ball handler here or do you think just combination of okay,

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yogic exists. We can run some stuff through Aaron Gordon,

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we have Jamal Murray, we have Bruce Brown. Do you

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think that that's just it's enough to be a good team?

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Lot get Like the Nuggets are gonna be no worse

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than the second best team in the West. I think

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maybe third, depending on if you about the Rockets.

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Speaker 2: Right. So, so the addition of Bruce Brown to me

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unlocked a ton because like he knows a lot of

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these guys, Like there's a level of comfort there. I

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think he's a better ball handler than people, you know,

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making an out ass in this because over the past

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two years, he he went for the back and that's fine. Like,

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I don't think we should at any point blame him

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for going for the bag, but he did, and we

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never really saw like the Bruce Brown that we saw

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during the championship year in Denver. I think with him

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coming back, we're gonna be reminded, Oh, this guy is good.

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This guy can do a bunch of things. And I

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wouldn't even rule out Strawther if they keep him around

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as another guy who can handle the ball, like not

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as a as someone who's like a table setter and

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like well average of his sister or something. But he's

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pretty decent on the ball as well, Like he can

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dribble the ball up the floor, he can initiate someone

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like this simple stuff, like he can throw an entry pass.

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He can do some of those things. Like I think

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they have enough. Oh did we forget about Jalen Pickett,

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Like he's still around.

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Speaker 1: What I mentioned him, I did some moments last year

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and I do find him more intriguing than Tyson. I think,

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so I would. I think I mean, I'm gonna be

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fine with them standing pat if that's what they do.

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If you told me that they're gonna use Stratha like that,

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I They're gonna give Christian Brown some more opportunity on

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the ball. I think I like that idea of the experimentation.

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If that's not necessarily their plan. They do have Valentiunis too,

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like you can run some stuff through him. This still

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feels like this doesn't do anything for their tax situation,

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but they could do it. This feels like a really

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good Malcolm Brogden team to oh like just so something

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like that. It doesn't even have to necessarily be the trade,

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but I think I would like this. Maybe it's you

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go through the season and then you look at the

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buyout mark and when that happens. But I think that

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I don't know. I find buyout additions tend to be overrated.

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I'll even be guilty of romanticizing them, but so to

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minimum signing. So I'm sitting here like Malcolm Brogden could

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be the answer. You can't guarantee him a huge role.

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I think I'm just lower on the Bruce Brown Show

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than you because, like from what I saw of him

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these past two seasons, and I know he was injured

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a lot, right, I just man, I don't and he

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doesn't need I think people are gonna focus on the shooting.

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He's already shown he doesn't need to hit the three

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ball to be an impactful player. But I'm not sure

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that they're getting the Bruce Brown that they had in

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twenty twenty three. And so I think it's fair for

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them to sit here and say, look, that was a

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minimum contract. We're gonna wait and see how that pans out.

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And that's total. That's totally fair. The expectation shouldn't be

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through the roof anyway. The value is never gonna be bad.

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But that's why I kind of find myself. Unless you

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think Pickett is ready or you want to see, I

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didn't even think about Julian Strawther, to be honest with you,

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that's a good call out, but unless you think he

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or Christian Brown is capable of shouldering more. But I

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can also see how you might feel as the nuggets well,

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like valent Chiunis also allows you to paper over some

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stuff by being able to run things through him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a lot of options here. I'm not

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terribly concerned about anything. I do have a question, one

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question before we move on. Technically, if they weren't to

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wave and stretch Hunter Tyson, would that achieve going under

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the tax?

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Speaker 1: So I mean yes, but I don't know if it would.

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They would probably have to sign like a zero year

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rookie with experience to like kind of I'm trying to like, oh,

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I think you want to get because they have thirteen

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guaranteed roster spots or no, they have fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, yeah, fourteen.

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Speaker 1: So like if you did, so, what's two over three?

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He's owed, So that's like, yeah, I would get you.

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You'd only have like three fifty k left to fill

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that out.

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Speaker 2: So I think that you couldn't do that, could you?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there'd be a team that would

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say that would just take Jalen Picket or Hunter Tyson

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and then you can sign a rookie with zero experience

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and that's like you save like a million point two

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bucks that way one point that would actually get a

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point two bucks one point two million.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, but like there should be some teams

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that are like a couple of years into the rebuild,

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like we've seen the Wizards just be like oh, you're

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going to just give us Malchi Branham more or less. Yeah,

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we'd be down for that.

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Speaker 1: Like not Blake Wesley though, piplay leslie right true?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he went to Portland, but like, like the

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Wizards are one of those teams who are like willing

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to take gambles right now, So why not?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? A couple questions here. Jason Timpf rat to Jamal

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Murray's a top twenty five player in the league. Do

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you agree?

472
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Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, Like I don't think I have like a

473
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top twenty five like just instilled in my brain right

474
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off the bat here, like the optimal optimized version of

475
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him is like easily twenty top twenty, like easily Wait.

476
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Speaker 1: Do you think that Jamal Murray's easily top twenty? No?

477
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Speaker 2: No, when he's like optimized, like the optimized version right

478
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like when we when we are still.

479
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Speaker 1: Ranking, let's rank NBA players based off they're optimized for

480
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where they would like if Ben Simmons had a three

481
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point shot during his.

482
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, not that's not that No no, not not

483
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theoretical upside? Yeah right? Like okay, so for example, like

484
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before the was that was the a clchair right? Uh?

485
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For for Jamal that was I think that was the

486
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ACL like before the ACL the year before, like twenty

487
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,960
twenty one, Like yeah, like where he was headed before

488
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he had the aclchair, I'd feel pretty comfortable we took

489
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that version of him and put him into the Day's league.

490
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We're looking at the top twenty guy, like he was

491
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so influential it was crazy.

492
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Speaker 1: Canybe I don't know. I don't know. This season would

493
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have been rough too. I'm not staring at the list,

494
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so like this just feels disingenuous. My gut reaction says

495
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no on balance.

496
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Speaker 2: And no, yeah no, yeah, probably not in the playoffs, Like.

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Speaker 1: If you just ranked everything he's ever done in the playoffs,

498
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he might just be by that. We have a couple

499
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other nuggets questions. This is this is why I love

500
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the live streams. Could they just trade Jamal Murray to

501
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the Bulls? That is from hind, I mean they could,

502
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But for who do you want from the Bulls?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

504
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Speaker 1: Right, that's Patrick Williams? Are you right?

505
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: For?

506
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:07,039
Speaker 1: They want the Patrick Williams flyer.

507
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: We always we always do Bulls trades for some reason.

508
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So that's twenty or sorry, forty six million out going?

509
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:16,799
What are we looking at what are we giving?

510
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Speaker 1: What are you signing and trading for? Josh Giddy?

511
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Speaker 2: That better not be with no God, No, we want

512
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,400
Denver to be fun.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know the Chicago I mean they

514
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have You don't want Isaaca coorro i Owe for sure,

515
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But that's seven million bucks, Like what is the other

516
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thirty that's like coming out of there? You want one

517
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of their youngsters? Would the Bulls be a team that'd

518
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be like, hey, here's modest buzzellis in the Jamal Murray trade.

519
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Speaker 2: They're dumb enough.

520
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But I don't even think like Jamal Murray

521
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is so important to Denver, Like that's just yeah. I

522
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mean I guess I.

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Speaker 2: Think the people who like are looking at him and

524
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basically saying, look, you're a negative acid. That's that's just

525
00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:58,000
a breach too far for me. Like we can talk

526
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about him being overpaid, sure, I'll talk about that all

527
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,960
day long, but like people are are reaching this point

528
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where like how could they dump him? And I'm just like, really, that's.

529
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Speaker 1: Where we are with Jamal? Would you the one I

530
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had brought up and I think some Nuggets fans hated it,

531
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,720
some found it interesting. Would you trade, there'd have to

532
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be other moving parts. But if you're the Nuggets, would

533
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,519
you trade Jamal Murray for Lebron James? Like do you

534
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:27,279
appreciate the flexibility that comes with James's expiring contract and.

535
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Speaker 2: While he's still like Lebron and he'll still you know,

536
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:38,319
lebron Ish lebron Ish Lebron adjacent. Yeah, I mean, look,

537
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,359
I don't see why not because you'd have, like you said,

538
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,960
the future financial flexibility. Like I don't understand why the

539
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:49,319
Lakers would do that, like Lebron or Jamal? Who could Jamal.

540
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Speaker 1: Murray be pretty wicked on it? I mean the thing

541
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,079
about Jamal Murray, for all the criticisms, and there there

542
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,759
are many, he's shown that he can play off of

543
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,279
all these different like off of yokids.

544
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Speaker 2: Sure, but like yeah, like he's not a point guard

545
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,839
to me, he's like he remember how he came into

546
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,319
the league like as a full and blown two guard

547
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and he was kind of pigeonholed into the one.

548
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Speaker 1: I mean, as I remember is that he could have

549
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,599
been drafted by the Knicks, they would have traded him promptly.

550
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But that Mellod trade was true. Trade CMB is garbage.

551
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,759
I feel attacked because I like comary boys. Dan, can

552
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,319
you admit that the Nuggets are overrated? Porters better than Cam?

553
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,200
Bruce is washed, Jonus is bad at defense, Tim is

554
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,880
bad at defense. And I don't trust Murray anymore or

555
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,319
Brown to make shots.

556
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,039
Speaker 2: So I think, stop, stop, stop. You don't trust Christian

557
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,440
Brown to make shots? Did you see his field goal

558
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,319
percentage last year?

559
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Speaker 1: Especially with Jokic off the court, He shot like sixty

560
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:44,799
percent on twos, Like I love, think your hands are

561
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:45,839
still up right?

562
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: That would bother me, like like he was one of

563
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the most efficient, like perimeter players in the league last year.

564
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,000
What are we talking about here?

565
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: Like that? I don't think the Nuggets are being overrated.

566
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:56,640
I do think, and I've actually gotten a little too.

567
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,400
I think I've gotten too defensive and part of this

568
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,200
about the Nuggets off season, I think it's being overblown.

569
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:04,839
And I've gotten some arguments with fans, which mostly my fault.

570
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,799
Need to keep my emotions and check sometimes better.

571
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: I have to like to interact with fans outside of

572
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,599
the I like interacting with people.

573
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,319
Speaker 1: But I've been a little over the top of the Nuggets,

574
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,359
I think because this isn't fans' fault. I don't like

575
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,960
the way it's being spun with the a flexibility, like

576
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:21,319
you could have signed Bruce Brown and Tim Hardaway Junior

577
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,720
without making they were minimum contracts. I've seen your frame

578
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:26,000
too much that like, oh this opened up No, like

579
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,720
those players could have came for that price. Anyway, I'm

580
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:30,519
not a fan of like now they can sign guys

581
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,440
on the buy out market making more than the mid level.

582
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:34,400
You don't get to say that until they do it.

583
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:36,720
And you also could have done that, like you can

584
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do that in the off season regardless of what apron

585
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,079
you're in, Like that was one of the loopholes. So

586
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,039
I think I just haven't appreciated the framing of it.

587
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:47,000
I think the Nuggets off season was more than defensible,

588
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:51,119
bordering on I think they're a better deeper team. I

589
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,200
still need to see, Like I've dug more into the

590
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,359
Cam Johnson fit versus Cam Johnson versus Michael Porter Junior.

591
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:58,920
I would still maintain that the apex of Michael Porter

592
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Junior is going to be better or more valuable than

593
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,279
Cam Johnson, but we don't know, Like Michael Porter Junior

594
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was very rarely, if ever, at that apex.

595
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Speaker 2: About to say that's that's there. Now you're talking about

596
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optimized versions.

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00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: Well, look that's my I think that's my whole thing

598
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,599
is just like I might be wrong about I don't

599
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:21,480
think they had a bet. I just I think what

600
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,880
it all comes down to is I believe if I

601
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,759
was trading my unprotected draft picks seven years into the future,

602
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:30,960
I would have wanted more of an immediate bump than

603
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,200
going from Michael Porter Junior to Jonas Valentiunis and Cam Johnson.

604
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,000
That's just where I land on it. People are free

605
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:42,880
to disagree, but I like, I'm I'm seeing some maybe

606
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,599
the Nuggets don't have defense in the chat. I'm not

607
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,319
gonna throw all them up here. There's a lot of comments.

608
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,640
I actually came We've talked about this. I came away

609
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,960
from the playoffs last year like kind of more sold

610
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,359
on what Denver can do defensively than offensively. And so

611
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,160
I think Yonis Valentiunis fits that. I think the Cam

612
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,759
Johnson self creation stuff, I think that's a little bit overblown.

613
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,480
I don't think that that one. I don't think they're

614
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,559
gonna rely on him for that, and I don't think

615
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,880
that that's ever been his like Forte. It's I think

616
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,359
it'll help that maybe he'll have like you see some

617
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,559
of the defensive matchups he's gonna be going up against,

618
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:16,440
Like maybe that's when I'm not like properly valuing enough.

619
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:18,240
I think we just have I think it's more of

620
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,200
a discussion where people have seen, like I've seen a

621
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,880
plus offseason, it was perfect. I just think there's more

622
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,440
of a discussion to be had, that's all I'm saying.

623
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,359
If this is and I'm also not a fan of

624
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,359
just asking, I'm not even Yeah, I guess I'm expressing doubts.

625
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,200
But if you believe that they wouldn't have kept Christian

626
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,640
Brown had they had Michael Porter Junior on the books,

627
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,240
then yeah, look that's fair. I would call that maybe

628
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,440
cheaping out a little bit. Also, we don't know what

629
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,039
he's gonna get paid, like maybe he'll get extended again,

630
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:45,519
Rookie extensions aren't a part of this discussion. I think

631
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,240
their offseason was we haven't done our grade yet. I'm

632
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,000
sure all great, great, it semi favorably, but I think

633
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,119
there's been a disconnect to what my actual view on

634
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:55,400
the Nuggets off season is because I find myself pumping

635
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,920
the Brakes on like, I mean, look, even Rome eighty

636
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,359
one to eighty in the chat where it's like yeah,

637
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Bruce brandn healthy and back with Jokic, he's yeah, there's

638
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,440
just a lot of questions here, is all I have,

639
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:09,559
So fair anything else on the nuggets from you?

640
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:09,759
Speaker 2: More?

641
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: No, we're doing we said five minutes per team. We're

642
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:13,480
off too.

643
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: That's why I said, no, Dan, Well there's nothing.

644
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: There's not much new to add here. We get to

645
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,440
the Warriors, so more. What happens with Jonathan Kaminga is

646
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,480
restricted free agency.

647
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,799
Speaker 2: So I've actually written about this over at Forbes, I think,

648
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,359
so stay with me on this. I understand that the

649
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,039
Warriors are like, oh, we don't want to pay you

650
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:36,279
forty million a year because we might get stuck with

651
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,960
that contract. And with the cab being projected to seven

652
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,440
percent increase next year instead of the expected ten, what

653
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:46,200
are we going to do about it? My take has

654
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:50,640
been shot up. Just shut ob What the hell? Like

655
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,240
this guy?

656
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:52,519
Speaker 1: Wait? Who do you want to shut up?

657
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: The Warriors? Look, he's what twenty two? He's hyper breathyle,

658
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,720
I think you know he's extremely productive. I understand the

659
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,559
fit isn't great. I understand there are questions about him

660
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:06,640
as well, because it's a two way street. Like, this

661
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,640
isn't just on him, This isn't just on Steve Kirk.

662
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,279
Both of those guys have made errors over the course

663
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:16,960
of their four years together. But like, if the Warriors

664
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:21,319
do want to give Steph, you know, the last few

665
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,799
years of being competitive, then you know, toying with this

666
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,640
situation too much, playing with your food too much, that's

667
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,839
a bad tactic. Because here's the thing. Kamenka has the

668
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,119
qualifying offer of seven point nine million. If he takes that,

669
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,480
he's gone in twenty twenty six and you just re

670
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,319
signed or sorry, extended Jimmy Butler, you're still paying Stephan

671
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:45,640
Curry through the nose. Draymond Green is also earning a

672
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,200
pretty penny, Like there are a lot of dollars on

673
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:50,720
those books. So you can't go out in free agency

674
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:52,839
in twenty twenty six and go, oh, who'll just find

675
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,079
a replacement for Jonathan Kamenka on the minimum market? No,

676
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,000
that doesn't exist. That is a very very bad strategy.

677
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,640
So I'd take is pony the f up and then

678
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:04,720
trade him if that's what you need, because then you

679
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:07,119
could at least get something back are you really that

680
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,359
afraid that a guy next year, at the age of oh,

681
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,400
at very advanced twenty three will have no trade value?

682
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,400
Like who are you kidding? I'm not saying pay the man,

683
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,240
you know, forty million, but apparently they've offered him two

684
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:26,799
years forty which is like, so like split the difference,

685
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:29,279
give him like four years one hundred.

686
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,319
Speaker 1: That's splitting the difference.

687
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, But like the annual, like the

688
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,400
annual you know what I mean, like twenty to thirty,

689
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,920
Like that's what I'm talking about. Like, no, I hear you,

690
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,519
but you know what I mean though, like on the

691
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,720
annual salary, like twenty five million a year, Like if

692
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,839
you're scared to do that, if you're the Warriors, you're

693
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,680
just not thinking long term. I'm sorry.

694
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,359
Speaker 1: I think I agree to some extent, but I also

695
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,799
disagree to where it's like, what is he I don't

696
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,519
like if he's not here's the problem. You already said

697
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,920
he's not a great fit. Is that ros?

698
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

699
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Right, what He's not going to be a better fit

700
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,880
overnight next year, So there's a chances trade value on

701
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,759
his next deal declines, and so you are taking a

702
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:12,960
big risk. You know, you could if you wanted to say,

703
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,559
like if it was three for seventy and then let's

704
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:18,240
say there's a team option on the third year, maybe

705
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:19,559
that's a way to get this done, and then I

706
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:21,799
would be totally in favor of that. But I don't

707
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,160
look at like Jonathan Kaminga has the upside of a

708
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,200
fringe all star. I will recognize that when you look

709
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,720
at his offense right, there's.

710
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: Just too teams will talk themselves into that. That's my point.

711
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,119
Speaker 1: You don't find it to be like a little red

712
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,359
flaggy though that if they it wasn't just like what

713
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,319
were the offers for him around the trade deadline, or

714
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,599
that he wasn't critical to like getting the Jimmy Butler

715
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,960
deal over the hump, then that's like I'm skeptical as

716
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,200
to what team and like you could say, other teams

717
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,359
will talk themselves into it. What are these other teams?

718
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,279
Like they're like the Nets who had all this cap

719
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,319
space and have room for upside, Like they haven't seemed

720
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:56,000
like they're interested in Kaminga. The Jazz have that huge

721
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:58,200
trade exception. We haven't heard them as like a destination

722
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,920
getting involved with Kaminga.

723
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: Did you think he's the Nets drafted in the first round.

724
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:06,519
Do we trust their chalent evaluate evaluation right now?

725
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,679
Speaker 1: I mean, what is that? Look?

726
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: I was speaking a little bit of a smartness with

727
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,519
that one, but Jesus, I hated their draft. I hated

728
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,440
that all that. So I'm not putting that much stock

729
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,280
into the Nets going don't really want well, I guess.

730
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: My other point though, was just like, so we know

731
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,960
the Kings might be interested in Jonathan Kaminga, and that

732
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,800
doesn't prove anything. It's the Kings, right, So I'm I'm

733
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,519
just I think I understand both sides of the argument

734
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,039
where Jonathan Aminga fancies himself a future All Star, and

735
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:38,280
I think that confidence is important. I think he's shown

736
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,280
that upside, but there's too many holes in his get

737
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,519
like as a shooter, as a passer, as a rebounder,

738
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,159
as a defender. And so I understand what the Warriors

739
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,360
are doing here now. I don't really like seeing players

740
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,480
get squeezed. That's also just how restricted free agency is

741
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,119
litigated like that. That's why it's set up the way

742
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,679
it is. If maybe one of these like CBA negotiations,

743
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,159
that'll be talked about more, Wow, Curry clears Kobe I'm

744
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,760
a Warriors fan. I want to trade him to the

745
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,519
Bulls for Io John Smith in the second round picks.

746
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,599
I mean, that's like I don't hate I don't hate

747
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,000
that either. But if you're shaking your head to that,

748
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,000
you can't tell me then that Jonathan Kaminga is like

749
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,920
a twenty five million dollar a year player. If that's

750
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,760
the return that you're willing to accept, well.

751
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,159
Speaker 2: No, Look what I'm saying is there are playing teams

752
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:27,239
out there who suddenly have to change or pivot in

753
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,280
the way. Like remember the way that teams are structured

754
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,800
right now, Like some teams rebuilding and some are retooling,

755
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,679
and some are trying to be competitive. Those teams are

756
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,239
not locked into being in that same state twelve months

757
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,159
from now, or even eleven months from now, or even

758
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,440
ten months from now, or even at the trade deadline.

759
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,199
So at some point teams are gonna pivot. Some teams

760
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,840
are gonna be like, well, we need something, like we

761
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,880
always know in the middle of the season there's one team,

762
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,760
two teams, three teams that are like, we could really

763
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,000
use something. We could really use a young scoring punch alone. Behold,

764
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:06,320
here's Jonathan Kamena. Now trade eligible and right there for

765
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,719
the taking. I understand the skepticism of why wasn't why

766
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,840
weren't there a more office for him? You know, last

767
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,840
trade deadline. I'll tell you why, because this restricted free

768
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,320
agency was looming and teams just did not want to

769
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,239
get into that. But remember how teams are always more

770
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,239
inclined to trade for guys when they know what the

771
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,360
salary is. They are less inclined to go out and

772
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,800
trade for guys when they don't know what the salary is. Well,

773
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,840
as soon as they know what Kamenka is gonna earn,

774
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,920
they're gonna sit there and say, oh, he's either super cheap,

775
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,480
oh we have impact as being more expensive than what

776
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:41,159
he really is. So like, let's go get him. I

777
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,639
think if they signed him to twenty five million a year,

778
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,639
or if it's even better, it's like twenty three to

779
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,360
twenty four, and even better if it's on a flat rate. Dan,

780
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:52,119
this is something you and I have talked about before,

781
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,920
like the flat rate that moving forward. That's that's probably

782
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,480
a big argument for a lot of teams. I would

783
00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:59,880
be shocked if you didn't have like five or sixty

784
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:02,039
standing line going, yeah, we want to be in the

785
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,159
Jonathan Kuminga's business interesting.

786
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, I think that they should get done

787
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,719
with like a three year deal and then the latter

788
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,880
is some time. I would honestly say, I think the

789
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,639
Warriors have a leverage to get a team option. I'd

790
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,480
want to give him more money to keep. Like maybe

791
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,679
it's three for seventy five even, but the second, the

792
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,920
third year is a team option just because the Warriors,

793
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,920
to me, are taking on more of the risk here,

794
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,559
just because there's no Yeah, there might always be teams

795
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:27,639
that are talking themselves into Kaminga, but they might be

796
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,079
talking themselves into Kaminga at a cut rate because he

797
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:33,880
hasn't performed up to snuff in Golden State. And I

798
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,039
know everyone can plaint, but I'm just saying, like people

799
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:39,639
like to point to look at his average when he

800
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:41,400
plays more than thirty minutes per game, and it's like

801
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,159
he would have more of those thirty minute games if

802
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,800
he was more consistent on the stuff they need him

803
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,039
to do, right, Like, they don't necessarily need another on

804
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,840
ball scorer right now. Maybe they the rim pressure, sure,

805
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,880
but like when it comes at the expense of like

806
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,880
playmaking and maybe shooting, and you've taken a different direction.

807
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,880
I think I understand, I understand the ball sides of this.

808
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,079
I ultimately think it's gonna get done with like three

809
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,800
years and then probably a team option. I don't even

810
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,440
know that. I would guess, like, do you think the

811
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,440
average annual value is going to be twenty three or higher?

812
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:11,400
That's the number you just threw out that.

813
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: I mean, what I think is it's going to be

814
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,199
lower than that. What I think would be fine is

815
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,079
if it's tired that. But but yeah, like I just

816
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:20,840
want to wrap that up because when you're trading for

817
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,599
Jimmy Butler and and you know, when you also have

818
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,639
Draymond Green, Oh, I appreciate that.

819
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: Shout in the comments, well can I I'd like to interject, MJ,

820
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,920
is also your initials? Is that you in the.

821
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, My initials will always be MSJ. By

822
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,519
the way, always can look MJ. That was just too vague.

823
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:44,880
So even as a kid, I was like, no, no.

824
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: I got to be I just thought it was some

825
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,800
stealth like I would know.

826
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: But I appreciate it if someone went in there and

827
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,719
just like created that account to make me look like

828
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,800
a narcissist. Good on you for doing that that you

829
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,000
went the extra mile to make me look like a

830
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:02,159
damn fool. I appreciate that. No, but like Draymond Jimmy,

831
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,079
we know those guys aren't floor spacers, right, So like

832
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:09,360
you're not exactly helping I just kid like you're not

833
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:12,519
exactly helping the young man, Like you're not exactly doing

834
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:15,599
everything in your power, Like give that guy, you know

835
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,639
a good pathways start of and you know what, that's.

836
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:21,079
Speaker 1: It unless you were planning. And I mean they did

837
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:22,840
play him at the floor, but like when you look

838
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,000
at you're playing DRE with Kevon Looney until Quinton Post

839
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:27,239
came in there, it's not like you had a floor

840
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,840
spacing quote unquote five to say, oh we can try

841
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,039
and develop Jaminga as a three. So that that's fair.

842
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,360
I don't think that they've necessarily done right by him,

843
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,480
But uh, really quick on the Warriors, do you guys

844
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:40,119
know when we'll get the news on Horford and Melton?

845
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,159
Then where would you rank us if we if we

846
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,159
do get them, you'll get the news on Melton and

847
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,639
Horford immediately after the Johnathan Kamena business is done. That's

848
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:49,920
what's that's what's holding it up.

849
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: And I would think I probably know the contracts on those.

850
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,519
Speaker 1: We don't, right, it'll be the minimum for Melton, is

851
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:59,079
my guess. Then Horford's gonna get the mini mL Okay.

852
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:03,360
I would say that the Warriors with Horford, Melton, Steph Butler,

853
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:07,239
kaminga Draymond Quinton Post is in there. Uh they Buddy

854
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,440
heel put jem Ski. That's like probably a top because

855
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:12,719
who are the guaranteed top six teams in the West.

856
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,159
I think you have Denver Houston? Okay, see who else

857
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:18,000
do you want to throw in there? Is it the Clippers?

858
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,519
Speaker 2: You're well, yes, also, but you're gonna hate me for

859
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,000
this because I'm going out on a limb on this one.

860
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:27,599
I think I even set this on this show some

861
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,320
time ago and you were like, first, yeah, I.

862
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: Think they have an argument. I couldn't call them a lock.

863
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: I yeah, that's fair, that's fair. I can't call them

864
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,599
a lock either. My point is just I think they're

865
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,199
up there. I think we're ignoring them.

866
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: Do you think so? What do you think that?

867
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:46,519
Speaker 2: Like?

868
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: The locks are? Like? Do you think it's those four

869
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,679
that do the Timberwolves belong in there? You're not a lock?

870
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,000
I have is or?

871
00:40:54,119 --> 00:41:02,079
Speaker 2: Okay? See Denver, Houston right now? Health, yes, Houston too, Yeah,

872
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,559
those that would be the locks, right. I don't think

873
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:08,360
we can well, I mean again, here's the thing. If

874
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,760
they're healthy, and if we're just assuming health, then I'm

875
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,119
also gonna put the Clippers in there. But like you

876
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,519
guys just think, don't think you can assume health on

877
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:18,039
any scene that has kawy leiners.

878
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: I know you can kind of say the same thing

879
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,280
the Warriors with their age getting up there, but I

880
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,320
think they're for. I would probably have the Warriors in

881
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,360
my top six. I don't know they would be among

882
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,159
my like four locks, but I would probably have them

883
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:27,960
in my top six.

884
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,039
Speaker 2: That's fair. Wow? No, No New Orleans Pelicans Huh.

885
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,679
Speaker 1: Well, they might think they're gonna be in the top

886
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,960
six based off some of the stuff they've done. Speaking

887
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,679
of the Houston Rockets more, Kevin Durant, is he gonna

888
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:43,719
get nick if when he gets an extension? How much

889
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,320
will be for? And can I at least can I

890
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,280
give you my like? I don't know if I'm overthinking this,

891
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,920
but my thoughts on this are as of right now.

892
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,440
Maybe there's other stuff that needs to get done. I

893
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,840
would almost be alarmed if I'm a Rockets fan and

894
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,960
he doesn't get an extension, because it means that he

895
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,000
might be wait because if he waits six months, it's

896
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,039
like a difference of like two or four million dollars

897
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:05,480
whatever it is. With the numbers, I think I have

898
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:08,079
him at like two for one nineteen now versus two

899
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,159
for one twenty two. If he waits, they should not

900
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,360
be giving him the full boat, Like, I just don't

901
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,199
think that that's the situation you want to get into

902
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,239
with the Rockets. And so if you wait, I just

903
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,679
automatically defall to oh, he's getting the two year max.

904
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,119
Would that be your read on the situation too?

905
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,039
Speaker 2: No, not necessarily, but but you know what, I'm going

906
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:28,920
to defer to you on that because I have not

907
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:33,559
thought about like the extension minutia specifically for Katie. I

908
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:36,760
think when you reach a certain level, and you reach

909
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,840
a certain age and what you're that type of guy,

910
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,400
something just happens, like you you get like the Jimmy thing, right, like, oh, yeah,

911
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,559
I'm getting the two year deal whatever, whether for him

912
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,440
it's the full boat or if it's slightly below or whatever.

913
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,639
Like I don't think he cares all that much when

914
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,000
we're talking about him about to go, like how much

915
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,639
had he earned or the course of his career coming on.

916
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't a Kevin Durant like it's not that I

917
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,199
think that he cares, but I'm saying he might even

918
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,559
be worth it or close to it. But it does

919
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:13,599
make it a little bit more of a challenge. Challenge

920
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,920
excuse me to juggle, like the rest of your contracts

921
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,599
that are gonna come do during this span. And I

922
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,599
kind of always operate under the assumption that if he

923
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:23,920
went to Houston and they traded for him, it was

924
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,519
gonna be something like two years and one hundred million.

925
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:28,039
And I know we're only talking about the difference of

926
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,199
ten million bucks a year, but like, again, what did

927
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,559
we just talk about with the Nuggets before? Those thinner

928
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:36,800
margins matter? And so I won't hate it, but I

929
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,119
kind of thought, and he still can, by the way,

930
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,880
I did kind of think that once he was traded there,

931
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,559
that his extension was gonna come in at less than

932
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,000
the max. And if we end up not getting one,

933
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,400
like before the season, I think that kind of proves like, oh,

934
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,079
it's not gonna come in it less than the max

935
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,119
is basically what I'm.

936
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 2: Saying, we'll see. I mean, look, if he gets the

937
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,360
max and yeah, I get that, there are a lot

938
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,519
of contracts on the books moving forward. I'm still I'm

939
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,639
still not a fan of the Jabari Smith Junior Extension.

940
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:09,840
First and foremost, I thought that was what too. Yeah,

941
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,199
I'm not.

942
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: It's like twelve salary cap or something like that.

943
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,559
Speaker 2: For fourteen off the off the bat, but then you

944
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,039
know it dips for a year, which I actually that's

945
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,559
the one part I do like. I'm not. I'm just

946
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:23,760
not sold on him yet. I actually would have waited that.

947
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,599
But that's that's me. That's me. That's a.

948
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,679
Speaker 1: That's a he's going to take playing time away from

949
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:28,239
Clint Capella.

950
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: Is that what this?

951
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: No?

952
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: No, I just I just I'm fearful that he's just

953
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,440
not good enough. That's where we are. I'm not so

954
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:39,800
I'm not at Jabari Smith Junior optimist. Yet I'm going

955
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,159
to give him all the runway to make me look

956
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:44,679
like a damn fool this season. And I'd love to

957
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,280
be wrong, you know me. I always want guys to

958
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,000
be good. But but my point is, you can pivot

959
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,880
off guys if you need to, Like if DuRane is like,

960
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,679
oh yeah, look I want top dollar. I want two years,

961
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,960
no option whatever. By the way, there's a h pretty

962
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,559
if for eight rules that comes into play here, right Well, I.

963
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Mean that's why that's the two years.

964
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:08,519
Speaker 2: That's why that's the two years. Okay, Like you can

965
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:10,840
pivot away from certain guys like are we gonna sit

966
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,000
here and say you can't pivot off Dorian Phinney Smith

967
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,639
that if like it becomes the thing. I don't know,

968
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,320
but are we really at that point where we're concerned

969
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,920
about the money in Houston? Didn't it feel like by

970
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,719
just trading for Durant, you're like, Okay, screw it, we're

971
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,440
all in so.

972
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,599
Speaker 1: Uh here, just here's my thing. It's and it's again,

973
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,719
if you don't put Kevin Durant on the books next year, right,

974
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,920
they're like fifty seven million dollars under the second apron

975
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,039
as of right now, right that is basically that's with

976
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,519
if I'm Tory East and his cap hold will be

977
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:44,599
seventeen million dollars. You add in Kevin Durant's max that year,

978
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:46,679
which I think right now would be fifty seven point nine,

979
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,920
you're always on into the second apron and so yeah,

980
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,519
you can trim salary from there, but that's just a

981
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,480
very like fast track to be onto where you're that

982
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:57,119
deep into the tax. So suddenly, yeah, no, no, no,

983
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:00,280
who are you gonna give up? And they'll have moves

984
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,519
to make. I'm not saying they have to trade a

985
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:03,559
men Thompson or anything ridiculous where I'll print.

986
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 2: You'll reach Shepherd instead. Right, that's whoa, whoa, what You've

987
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:06,920
gone too far?

988
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,559
Speaker 1: You have gone too far, sir. But so this is

989
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:12,719
I'm not even saying it would be the wrong move.

990
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,800
I'm just I find it a little bit. I thought

991
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,960
an extension would be done by now, is all. So

992
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,679
I'm gonna ask you this before we move on from

993
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:20,679
the rockets, since I don't think there's really new stuff

994
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:22,960
to add here, I'm gonna set the over under a

995
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:25,119
fifty million dollars per year.

996
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so like he takes a little less, yep,

997
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:28,719
are you.

998
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: Taking the over the under on that? I'll say fifty

999
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,119
and a half million. If you think it's gonna have

1000
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:36,199
a button, you get to go under. You know what.

1001
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: KD doesn't seem to be like that preoccupied about like

1002
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,679
the raw number two. He's not Lebron where he's like, yeah,

1003
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,719
I want the full max. It's a status thing. I'm

1004
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,079
actually gonna say under because I think he's like, yeah, whatever,

1005
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:48,559
get it done.

1006
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say over because I'm shocked that you said under,

1007
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:54,280
and I'm like almost rooting for you to be right,

1008
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,760
because the Rockets are gonna set up to be fucking scary.

1009
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,719
If you have KD making like ten to twelve million

1010
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,480
dollars less than.

1011
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: His max salary, I just wouldn't be shocked. Like Kyd

1012
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:05,599
seems like a pretty like you know how he I

1013
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,519
understand he wants his money, but like, I also think

1014
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:12,519
he fully recognizes that, you know, this is about basketball,

1015
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:14,440
and he like he he's one of those guys who

1016
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,480
can really say like he just want to hoop right

1017
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:19,039
like that. That's that's his monster, that's the way he thinks.

1018
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,440
And he's forty six going on forty seven. I just

1019
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,519
like if someone comes to him and says, hey, look,

1020
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:29,079
you want to earn fifty million dollars, well, he also

1021
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:29,280
had that.

1022
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: I wonder if they experience with the Suns was kind

1023
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,920
of an eye opener to where they never really ran

1024
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,360
into the financial issues with the Nets. It was just

1025
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,719
they weren't healthy. But in Phoenix they gave up basically

1026
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,800
everything to get him and then shit just went so

1027
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,880
sideways that that was because it never happened like that

1028
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,039
in Golden State either, So I wonder if that.

1029
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:48,559
Speaker 2: Was slender, just just also because I also wanted to

1030
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:51,800
be I also want to see players now who are

1031
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,400
in that salary bracket just go, you know what, like,

1032
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:57,480
that's a lot of money, We'll be fine, Like the

1033
00:47:57,679 --> 00:47:59,800
raw dollar amount is okay with me.

1034
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:04,599
Speaker 1: My favorite conspiracy theory is that he will take exactly

1035
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:07,360
twelve and a half million less over those two years

1036
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,960
than the max, because that essentially makes up all of

1037
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:13,159
Steven Adams's salary, and so that him coming was like

1038
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,679
Steven Adams returning was a condition of Kevin Durant coming

1039
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,000
and signing for this. So you got Kevin Durant and

1040
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,280
Steven Adams for what Kevin Durant could have just cost you.

1041
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of romantic. I like that. That's cool.

1042
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a romantic at heart. You know this the

1043
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,559
Clippers more, this isn't really a move and they don't

1044
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,280
have to give us answers right now. Per se who

1045
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,199
starts Slasher even you want to say closes the most

1046
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,639
for this team, well.

1047
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 2: In July, but no, Well so Justin Russo. I had

1048
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,320
Justin Russo on my pod and he's good beeps.

1049
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: That is no one does a better job covering the Clippers.

1050
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: Right speed writer. He knows and he said, look, Bell

1051
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,599
is going to start, so it's gonna be in his view,

1052
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,519
it's going to be James, It's gonna be Beal Kawhi,

1053
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,079
John Collins and superbuch So that's probably gonna be the

1054
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:02,679
starting line up.

1055
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,039
Speaker 1: Do you think that's I tend to agree, But do

1056
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:10,280
you think that they're veering so far away from what

1057
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,159
made them kind of special last year at that point?

1058
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,039
Or do like, do you worry about the because now

1059
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,000
you're integrating, We're assuming Chris Paul gets minutes. Are you

1060
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:20,400
gonna still try and fit Bogdanovic in there? It does

1061
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,079
feel like, no matter what you do, one of Derek

1062
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:24,880
Jones Junior or Chris Donne is going to fall by

1063
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,880
the wayside and what becomes of the defense. This might

1064
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,639
also just be a leap of faith in a Viatsa Zubach,

1065
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:33,360
who was on a lot of all defense teams last year,

1066
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:36,159
but I found myself wondering if they've maybe I don't

1067
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:37,840
even say messed with too much, but it's just a

1068
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,599
question I have as to where did they kind of

1069
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,800
really veer away from what made them like, endeared them like,

1070
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,960
made them good, but then also endeared themselves to everyone

1071
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,440
last year? Is that hillacious defense?

1072
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:53,159
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Beial, I think is actually not as

1073
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,360
bad a defender as we think, because again it's about

1074
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,840
when he was in Washington, he was averaging thirty, who

1075
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,880
was carrying everything. Then he went to a very weird

1076
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,199
situation in Phoenix where I don't think his play was

1077
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,639
indicative of anything. Really. Now you have Kawhi, you have James,

1078
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,039
you have John Collins. Those three guys can really get

1079
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:18,639
the scoring going. You have Booked on book down a bench,

1080
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,440
off the bench, you have Chris Paul who's going to

1081
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,800
take care of the ball and set guys up. You

1082
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,800
have a lot of scoring. You have a Brook Lopez

1083
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,719
who's going to pop threes and score near the interior.

1084
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,920
So like for Bial now one he can optimize his

1085
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,920
own shot profile, which frankly is pretty scary because that

1086
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:38,800
dude can shoot and that dude can score. But it

1087
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,000
also allows him to play a higher brand of intense

1088
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,239
defense first and foremost, Like, I don't think Chris Done

1089
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,639
is going to be out of the rotation. I don't

1090
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:48,480
think there Joe juniors are going to be out of

1091
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:50,719
the rotation. If anything, I think those guys are going

1092
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,880
to be huge players off the bench, and they're going

1093
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,920
to mix a match. They're going to probably run what

1094
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:01,000
eleven deep next year, which I really appreciate that they're

1095
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,840
pivoting into the depth part. And I think for them

1096
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,920
to be able to scale back and forth that way

1097
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,480
is such a luxury. Like they'll have games where we're

1098
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:11,599
gonna need an extra pinch of defense. Hey, you know what,

1099
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,519
Like CP, you're not gonna play twenty eight minutes the night,

1100
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:17,800
You're probably gonna be playing twenty and we're gonna give

1101
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,559
the rest of it to Chris or like, you can

1102
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,599
sort of scale in and out that way. I'm not nervous,

1103
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,639
if anything. I like these upgrades a fair bit. I

1104
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,760
think this makes them better. I think they now have

1105
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,239
it more. I think they have a little bit more

1106
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,679
sustainability in a way than before, where everything was always

1107
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,400
grit and grind. Now they also just have some talent,

1108
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,239
which allows them to occasionally coast a little bit in

1109
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,320
the best sense of the word, where they can just

1110
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,480
out talent people sometimes or to out talent teams sometimes,

1111
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,280
which I don't think necessarily was something they could do

1112
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,920
last year. So I'm all in on this team. I'm

1113
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:53,400
not worried.

1114
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think worried is probably too strong.

1115
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: You were worried, Dan, I could sense it were you were.

1116
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,159
Speaker 1: Miles Johnson says, the head done literally got benched. I

1117
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:05,280
think they realized any more offense. I'm not you know,

1118
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,039
I'm not disagreeing with that. It's just you went into Okay,

1119
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,519
you brought Book Lopez in, but you went into John

1120
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,559
Collins and Chris Paul and Bradley Beal. I'm just curious

1121
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,119
how they distribute the minutes from there. And I think,

1122
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,679
you know, you're kind of betting. I guess if you

1123
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,920
think you're gonna be a top five offense versus your

1124
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,480
top three defense last year, I just think there could

1125
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:25,000
be more drop off than people are crediting there. But

1126
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,920
if Kawhi's healthy, maybe Zubats has another year like he did,

1127
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:30,440
and they have, like you said, their margin for error

1128
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:32,599
is just higher now because even if they have injuries,

1129
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,880
they stretch so far deep. So I still really like

1130
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,519
them as a team. I'm just curious what they're And also,

1131
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:41,119
by the way, anyone who says, like the Bradley these

1132
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:42,960
were all good pickups, but like we just saw that

1133
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:45,360
Bradley Beal did try to adapt and it didn't work

1134
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,480
out in Phoenix. I guess we're all just kind of

1135
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:49,880
assuming that it's gonna work. And also I don't have

1136
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,960
a problem with that, but like it wasn't you know,

1137
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:54,800
it's different, I guess. But it's also like if Kawhi

1138
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,639
is healthy and James Harden is there and you are

1139
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:58,679
playing Chris Paul, it's like Bradley Beal's gonna have to

1140
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,719
adapt again. So there were struggles there when he tried

1141
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,280
to do that. He still shot the ball really well.

1142
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,960
I think that's probably the biggest misconception about his time

1143
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,559
in Phoenix, as he shot what hed shoot last year,

1144
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:11,119
like thirty nine percent on threes or whatever. I'm just

1145
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:14,239
this team's really good. I think that they'll probably like

1146
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,800
they should probably be a top four seed in the East.

1147
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,920
But I'm just curious how all the pieces come together.

1148
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:23,599
Speaker 2: I you know, you and I were usually aligned on

1149
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:26,679
a lot of things. I am. I'm not aligned with

1150
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,760
John the Bradley Beal thing here where you said, oh,

1151
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,400
he has to like adapt again, Yeah, he has to adapt,

1152
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,599
but under so much better circumstances, because he was sort

1153
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:41,320
of backing up Devin Booker and Phoenix because like, I

1154
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,880
don't know, I still don't know what the plan was

1155
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,760
in Phoenix to get a shooting guard in there when

1156
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,039
your best player was a freaking shooting guard. And like

1157
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:53,639
both of those guys Bial and Booker aren't exactly like

1158
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,320
fluid positional changers, like they're primarily two's, Like they're not

1159
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:03,000
you know, oh natural natural one here he slides right

1160
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,679
into that shooting guard role. So like, yes, you'll have

1161
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,960
to adapt to the play of James Harden who's ball dominant. Yes,

1162
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:12,320
he'll have to adapt to Kawhi Leonard, but he'll have

1163
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,960
his own spot for once, like there aren't there isn't

1164
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,079
going to be a lot of positional overlap like there

1165
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,719
was in Phoenix, And I think that that's a big

1166
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,440
mental hurdle as well, like, oh, this guy has my

1167
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:28,239
spot and like I can't play around that to the

1168
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,800
best of my ability, neither can he play around the

1169
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,599
same spot, which means we're sort of pigeonholes being in

1170
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:39,719
that same positional situation. Here, he's got that shooting guard unlock.

1171
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:45,119
That's great. That means that gives him a level of security,

1172
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,079
like emotional security about one spot. Then he can adapt accordingly.

1173
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: I do worry that they might be if that's the

1174
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,320
starting lineup you're outlining, I do worry that they might

1175
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,400
be putting too much on Kawhi defensively. I do think

1176
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,159
it helps offensively, though they very clearly have tried to

1177
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,840
streamline what Kawhi does offensively, where in Phoenix, you weren't

1178
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,039
necessarily trying to make Devin Booker or Kevin Duran a

1179
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,239
smaller part or a more streamline part of your offense.

1180
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,679
Where it's like QUI, it's like maybe they don't want

1181
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,320
him creating or dribbling as much. So uh Daniel Williams

1182
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,440
says the Clippers should bring back on Mere Coffee and

1183
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,719
get Delan o'banton. They have a roster spot, I believe.

1184
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,360
But my other question for them, I didn't think it

1185
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,159
was worth talking about, is there's seven They're like seven

1186
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,400
million dollars into the tax. This feels like a team

1187
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,199
that might be like, oh, does anyone want to take

1188
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,960
on Derek Jones Junior. He might be a little too

1189
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,840
important depending on how you feel about the defense. Yeah,

1190
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,440
maybe Chris Dunn. He doesn't get you all the way there,

1191
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,039
but Bo Dub Bogdanovich seems like the odd man out,

1192
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,920
So it's like, can they get cheaper going from Bo

1193
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:44,880
Doug Bogdanovich to I don't.

1194
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,559
Speaker 2: Know what the players interesting?

1195
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: How do you have Chris Paul and Bradley Beal and

1196
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,159
James Harden And you're saying Chris Dunn is gonna play

1197
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,519
where like I'm.

1198
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,599
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not saying Chris Dunn is gonna

1199
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:59,079
play a lot. I think done is like the eleventh guy.

1200
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:02,960
I think the second er rotation is pretty I can't

1201
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,800
sit here and say obviously, but like to me, it

1202
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,199
would right now it would appear as though Chris Paul

1203
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:15,599
booked on Bogdanovic, Nick Patom, Derek Jones Junior, and Broke

1204
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,519
Lopez would be like the secondary rotation, right, that feels

1205
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:22,880
like and that's, by the way, that's a sneaky good

1206
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,280
defensive secondary rotation.

1207
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: By the way, who do you have Chris Paul Derek Jones.

1208
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's start. Let's start big too small. So

1209
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,199
Broke Lopez Derek Jones Junior already there you have two

1210
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,880
pretty good defenders. Then you have Nick Patuma the three

1211
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:43,280
also a very good cohesive like team defender. Then you

1212
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,719
go booked on and then you have Chris Paul at

1213
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,039
the one.

1214
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'll be curious, and I guess there's gonna

1215
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,000
be guys that miss games. I'd be curious to see

1216
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,239
when they're full strength, how everybody gets staggered or are

1217
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,280
they gonna run my hockey style units. But that just

1218
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,760
lends itself to then you like Chris Dunn would be

1219
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,360
the like that would be someone to trade if you're

1220
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,360
going to cut your tax bill.

1221
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,199
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing because you just said injuries, right,

1222
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:10,480
So I think Don is basically the injury security blanket.

1223
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,840
Like because here, like let's say brook Lopez, this is

1224
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,480
two weeks right right then in that secondary rotation, you

1225
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:20,000
just moved Derek Jones Junior up to center in those minutes,

1226
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:24,079
like there are there is a lot of positional fluidity

1227
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,679
with a lot of these guys, Like I'm just not worried.

1228
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,119
Speaker 1: Again, I never used the word worried, just asking questions.

1229
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,119
All right, fair, I think, but I actually do think

1230
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:38,719
that you're probably underestimating how much they would want to

1231
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:41,119
trade Bodun Madonovitch the question of whether they can because

1232
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,679
he has those two years I think left on his contract,

1233
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:45,239
so it's not just this year he's a Does he

1234
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,639
have a player option or is that that's not a

1235
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:47,000
team No?

1236
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:48,559
Speaker 2: Actually that's it, that's the team option.

1237
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: No.

1238
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: Oh really sorry?

1239
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,519
Speaker 1: All right, well then I think I could see him

1240
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:56,079
getting traded for like a like a cheaper player who

1241
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:58,039
helps them end up ducking attacks by the because I

1242
00:57:58,039 --> 00:57:59,440
don't have two because they were out of the tax

1243
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:01,599
last year, right or am I wrong about that?

1244
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,679
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I I actually like Boke.

1245
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: No, I like him. I just there's a chance that

1246
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,960
if you have Beeal and Harden that he is a

1247
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,639
little superfluous here at that point, because you.

1248
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:16,679
Speaker 2: Don't want to play an old ass team like you

1249
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,679
They're going you said it, they are going to be

1250
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,519
the games.

1251
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,719
Speaker 1: No, as Curry clears Kobe, Clippers should get more old guys.

1252
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:23,960
They're too young, so thank.

1253
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: You very much. Yeah, yeah, get le Bron trade Yannickknan

1254
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,960
Neitherhauser for for Lebroun, I actually.

1255
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: Like him, so the Lakers I didn't want to spend

1256
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,159
like the Luca extension. He's either going to sign it

1257
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:36,800
or he's not. I would predict he signs a three

1258
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,920
year extension. So I'm not really That's not something I'm

1259
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,000
too interested in. How do you see them using like

1260
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,920
their final they have thirteen guaranteed contracts, Like, what do

1261
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,840
they need to look for? What does this team still

1262
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,679
need when they're filling out the rest of their roster.

1263
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: You brought up Malcolm Brockton at one point if he

1264
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,719
was to sign a mint deal, wouldn't hate that, wouldn't

1265
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:58,440
hate that at all. That's a big guard who can

1266
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,440
play both sides of the ball. They can play the

1267
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,079
one he can play.

1268
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: You have like Smart and Vincent and Luca and reused.

1269
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,639
Speaker 2: Right, I hear you do. We trust that Marcus Smart

1270
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:11,840
is going to be healthy all throughout the year.

1271
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: I do. It's funny when people sign with the Lakers,

1272
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:18,280
just how instantly inflated their reputation becomes, where it's like, yeah,

1273
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,000
Marcus Smart three or four years ago, awesome, but he

1274
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,519
hasn't played much basketball or much good basketball. Over the

1275
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:24,280
past two years.

1276
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: So and like I fully con see that Brockton miss

1277
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:31,400
himself is no pillar of health. But like you know,

1278
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:33,679
if you have another body to throw in there, I

1279
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:35,679
wouldn't hate it. So like that's one guy.

1280
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:39,039
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to get another big Sure,

1281
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,119
what are you thinking? I mean, like Chris Chris Bouchet's

1282
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:44,039
flown around out there.

1283
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: Oh man, you just got an erection? Okay, yeah, I

1284
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:47,360
don't hate that.

1285
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,519
Speaker 1: Or what about I've been kind of thinking that. I

1286
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:52,920
don't We've just been seeing it feels like more buyouts

1287
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,440
in the offseason. But Robert Williams the third, if he

1288
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,079
end up getting bought out by port maybe there's even

1289
00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:59,239
a trade to be had there when you.

1290
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:04,519
Speaker 2: Contracts of two Portland centers off the buyout market, Well

1291
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:05,000
they could.

1292
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: Also I think Robert Williams the third is like under

1293
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,440
thirteen million or whatever, so they could actually trade for him.

1294
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:12,519
That would be that doesn't really fill their roster spots,

1295
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,639
because I find myself looking at this team and thinking, Okay,

1296
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,440
they have eight and that's clearly enough grade like they

1297
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,000
do they need Maxi Cleveland to be healthy next year.

1298
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,039
Like that's when I'm looking at their big rotation when

1299
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:23,199
I find myself thinking.

1300
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,559
Speaker 2: Wait, so they're hard capped at the first aime, only

1301
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:27,679
have one point one million left to play with?

1302
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,039
Speaker 1: Um oh, yeah, you might be right about that, so

1303
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,159
that well they have to that's not even enough for

1304
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:40,079
a zero year rookie. I don't unless i'm also their numbers.

1305
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,599
Speaker 2: Actually, for whatever reason, I thought they were hard kept

1306
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:45,719
at the second apron, I was wrong on that. So

1307
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,840
that means they have significantly less salary flexibility than we

1308
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:50,440
thought they had.

1309
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,119
Speaker 1: Well, they need to figure out something there then, because

1310
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:55,159
they're gonna need to get to fourteen roster spots at

1311
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:56,360
some point they only have thirteen?

1312
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: Am I the only one to like? Look? I like

1313
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:02,679
Jared Vanderbilt, but like, don't love him at eleven and

1314
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:03,360
a half billion.

1315
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone likes that contract except

1316
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:10,400
for Jared Vanderbilt and his agent.

1317
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, great, fair enough, But I.

1318
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,119
Speaker 1: Think this I don't know. I think this team still

1319
01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:20,840
needs like more of a wing and then another big

1320
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:24,440
And that's like you said, they're not too flexible. I

1321
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,199
can't believe I didn't realize they were hard capped at

1322
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:28,320
the first apron. My god, that's really bad by me.

1323
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: Oh, relax, it's fine.

1324
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:33,239
Speaker 1: For some reason, I could have sworn they were on

1325
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,400
the because what did they use so Smart? Oh? Because

1326
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,719
they used okay, all right, yeah no, I should have

1327
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,079
seen that coming. Well, that's gonna be rough stuff for them,

1328
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:44,519
Like how are they creating this? They have just enough

1329
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:47,760
to sign a player with no years of experience. I guess.

1330
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:52,519
Speaker 2: That you well, or there's a trade coming like Gabe

1331
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:57,000
Vincent Mexically we're both expiring, Like perhaps oh, they you

1332
01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:59,840
know they can't aggregate? They can, they can obviously they're

1333
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:02,760
hard captain the first aabrince, so they can't aggregate. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1334
01:02:03,079 --> 01:02:04,679
all right, I mean.

1335
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:07,239
Speaker 1: Good for them. They also but like the other thing

1336
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,840
to it, this seems like they just had to get

1337
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,679
rid of Jordan Goodwin to make it, Like couldn't you?

1338
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,840
Is it blasphemous to say that Jordan Goodwin is a

1339
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,800
more valuable defensive player maybe at least at the point

1340
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,679
of attack right now, than Marcus Smart would be.

1341
01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: So I that's rough, Like I get why you're asking

1342
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,800
that question. I don't think we've seen enough out of

1343
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,280
Marcus Smart these last couple of years to like be

1344
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,440
able to answer that question in full, but like in

1345
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:36,079
terms of availability, I think you have a point.

1346
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,079
Speaker 1: An availability. But I'm saying, like, just do you So

1347
01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:43,119
you think it's egregious to say just in a vacuum.

1348
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I say, I'm literally saying, we don't

1349
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:49,400
know right now because Smart, Like how much has Marcus

1350
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,800
Smart played over the past two years?

1351
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't like, Uh, he's he has not played a

1352
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:55,639
whole bunch.

1353
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 2: Right, That's what I'm saying, So, like we have really

1354
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,119
no idea of like what state has bodies in like

1355
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,639
his game, Well.

1356
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:04,199
Speaker 1: He's working out. I found that to be the most

1357
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:07,079
hysterical update is that he's working out over the offseason

1358
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,559
and taking it seriously, which my guess would be he

1359
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:11,760
has done every single off season of his entire career

1360
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,840
as long as injuries permitted as much.

1361
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: Right, So he's played fifty four games in total over

1362
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,719
the past two seasons. Like, so, I understand your question,

1363
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,400
I just don't have an answer for it because we

1364
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:23,800
literally haven't seen him.

1365
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: So I think there's probably a trade coming with this team,

1366
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:28,519
would be my guess. It doesn't have to be a

1367
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:30,960
major one. Do you think Lucas signs his extension very

1368
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:36,039
quickly before we move on or signs in extension, so

1369
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,159
like here we go, here's the Jokic conspiracy theory.

1370
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:49,079
Speaker 2: No, it's it's worse than that. Dan. I think I

1371
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:52,840
think that he well he might sign it, but I

1372
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,760
don't think he should. Can I prase it that way?

1373
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: Can I ask why he helped recruit eighting and smart?

1374
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,480
It seems like, yeah, that's pretty great event. She's also God,

1375
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:04,719
did you see he's got like triceps definition I saw.

1376
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,519
Speaker 2: I read that Whole Men's Health article that was great found.

1377
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: I found it funny that they went out of their

1378
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,880
way to mention almond milk, which makes me think that

1379
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:15,400
like Luco was drinking like I don't know, like heavy

1380
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,440
cream like during timeouts.

1381
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: Or something like. I just don't under it's funny you

1382
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,800
mentioned that. I'm not gonna say the name. There was

1383
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,039
a player in Danish basketball many years ago and he

1384
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:30,440
was told to bulk up and he started to drink

1385
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:32,880
like what do you call like whole milk and I

1386
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:35,280
like a lot, like a gallon at day because that

1387
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,559
he thought that was the idea of bulking up, and

1388
01:04:37,639 --> 01:04:40,400
he just turned fat, just I mean fat.

1389
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: That when you boke up you're invaribly gonna gain body

1390
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,159
fat like this whole main game thing.

1391
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:48,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like he that that became like he started

1392
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:50,079
looking a little bit like me, which isn't a great

1393
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:53,760
thing like that was no. But okay, so my Luca thing,

1394
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:57,159
like you shouldn't have said like, oh here at the

1395
01:04:57,199 --> 01:04:58,880
tail end of this one, because now I'm going to

1396
01:04:58,920 --> 01:04:59,880
open Pandora's box.

1397
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:06,159
Speaker 1: I don't think aggregators Alert one is the time stamp

1398
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:07,559
you may aggregate this go ahead.

1399
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,119
Speaker 2: Okay, Look, Lebron is gonna be forty one this season.

1400
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,480
There isn't like that secondary guy lined up like the

1401
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:19,840
Austin Reeves contract situation is not you know, resolved either,

1402
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,840
And is he really you know, good enough to be

1403
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:27,280
a secondary star on a potential championship level team. No.

1404
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,960
Is there a team out there who has like the

1405
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:36,239
ideal Luka Dontic pairing who could open up max cap

1406
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,039
space next summer by just making a few moves here

1407
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:41,320
and there called the San Antonio's Burst. Yes, there are.

1408
01:05:42,159 --> 01:05:46,599
So I'm just saying I probably wouldn't if I'm Luca,

1409
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:49,719
if that pathway to San Antonio is open for me,

1410
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,559
if I'm Luka Doncic. Next summer. I'm absolutely giving that

1411
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,760
a real hard look. There's not a better fit for

1412
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,840
me in the NBA. If I'm Luka Doncic, then Victim

1413
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:02,440
Wim Panama.

1414
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:06,679
Speaker 1: I mean, so you're just saying that the Spurs are

1415
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:08,159
not I mean, that's gonna step on the toes of

1416
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:10,000
what we talk about with the Spurs. But so the

1417
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:12,280
Spurs aren't keeping Darron Fox, they're out signing him to

1418
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:12,920
doing exact.

1419
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 2: That would be the idea of it, Like, because it's

1420
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:19,320
so the the Luca extension thing is eligible first, right,

1421
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,840
Like that's what was that? I think it's August or second, Yeah,

1422
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,400
and then Fox August third or something along those lines.

1423
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:28,480
And basically what I'm saying here is this, And maybe

1424
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:31,280
I'm just stealing away from the Spurs segment here, but

1425
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,599
if Luca signs an extension, I think the Spurs are like,

1426
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:36,480
oh okay, that ship of sale. Let's let's sign Daron

1427
01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:40,199
Fox to an extension. But if Luca doesn't sign it,

1428
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:42,559
the Spurs would be idiots to go out and sign

1429
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,079
Daron Fox to one. I think that is a match

1430
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,079
that should be like they should be all in. The

1431
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:51,360
Spurs should be all in on the Luca experience. They

1432
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,679
should tamper the everlasting shit out of this to make

1433
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:58,159
sure Luca knows that, Hey, guy, if you don't sign

1434
01:06:58,239 --> 01:07:01,119
that extension, we are here for you in the summer.

1435
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,480
And we've got this Frenchman who's apparently six seven now.

1436
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: Six' seven.

1437
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: All the way. Around, yeah it's like he's.

1438
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,039
Speaker 1: Drinking that might actually be a.

1439
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: Problem all, right all, Right i'll let that marinate The.

1440
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:17,159
English come, on.

1441
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: We'll move on to The Memphis. Grizzlies so Mord as we,

1442
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:25,519
talk he was eligible SINCE i Think july Sixth John

1443
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:28,920
moran can sign a two year extension worth About it's,

1444
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,800
like what is it one hundred and it's two years

1445
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,880
and one hundred and twenty million. Almost that would take

1446
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,679
him through his age thirty, season keep him on the

1447
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:40,079
books through twenty nine. Thirty my question to you is

1448
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:43,760
we understand why players don't sign these. EXTENSIONS i think

1449
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,480
now they feel more likely to maybe because everyone's just

1450
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,760
extension eligible basically every two, years so you just keep

1451
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,280
locking up money force to trade. Later but if you're The,

1452
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,519
grizzlies you've renegotiated and Extended Jaron Jackson. Junior you've Traded Desmond.

1453
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:00,639
Bane are you Offering John morant this? Extent or the

1454
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:04,239
better question would be should The grizzlies Offer Ja morant an?

1455
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: EXTENSION i don't think they, should but, again, LOOK i

1456
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:12,519
also did not like The Jaron Jackson junior renegotiating. Extent

1457
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,439
What i'm really this, is this is a larger, question

1458
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:21,479
which is really what do you? Expect like where do

1459
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,439
you expect to land on a team that's led By

1460
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,359
John moran And Jaron Jackson? Junior? Like what is your

1461
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:31,600
aspiration level? Here are you okay topping out as a

1462
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,880
potential second round team year in and year out with

1463
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,159
those two? Guys if you are, cool, like more power to.

1464
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:42,520
YOU i think this is an uninspiring to. SOME i

1465
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:47,039
don't understand why The grizzlies keep being so infatuated with those.

1466
01:08:47,119 --> 01:08:49,640
Guys you have a leaite guard who can't, shoot you

1467
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,800
have a big man who can't, rebound and you're about

1468
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,680
to pay them one hundred million dollars a year. Combined i'm,

1469
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,239
sorry that's that is such a bad. Strategy I'm i'm

1470
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:02,720
so out on the on The grizzlies if that is

1471
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:07,199
their continued belief that these two will suddenly break years

1472
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,960
long pad like career long patterns and suddenly fill it.

1473
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:14,079
In NOW i realize the pushback to that is gonna, be,

1474
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:17,039
well they win, games and that is. True they do

1475
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:19,720
win games in the regular. Season they do win, games

1476
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,560
and they do get to the. Playoffs off of those

1477
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,239
two that is not. Inconsequential that is a major. Boon

1478
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:29,840
but you kind of want them to be more than

1479
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,279
just a regular season. Team you want them to have

1480
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,760
playoff success and like sustain playoff success deep playoff. Success

1481
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:41,319
are you gonna have that With John morand And Jaron

1482
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:46,560
Jackson junior as your two leade. DOGS i consider me a.

1483
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: Skeptic that's what's tough when you factor in the availability

1484
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,520
with jaw. Two. NOW i think what's interesting here, though is,

1485
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,479
like think back to De Aaron fox before it all

1486
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,840
went to shit with The. Kings they offer him that

1487
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,760
two year extenion when he was eligible with, it and

1488
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,319
it was just known, that, hey he's not gonna sign,

1489
01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:05,319
It he's gonna wait to sign a longer one turns

1490
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:07,359
out that didn't. Happen think about what we've kind of

1491
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:09,760
seen With jokic right now In. Denver he's gonna wait

1492
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,119
to sign a longer. EXTENSION i actually think it's smart

1493
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:14,960
that he didn't sign, it because theoretically he's the type

1494
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,199
of player sign. It now your extension eligible again in two,

1495
01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:20,079
years you could sign another. One but if you don't

1496
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:22,239
even offer, it do you know what that says to

1497
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:24,920
me is that you're afraid he's going to accept. It

1498
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,600
and that's what would make this super intriguing? Here does

1499
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,720
that make any? Sense, like because you normally hear just

1500
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,079
ohways offered it just wasn't the right time for. Him

1501
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:36,840
but if you don't offer, it it suggests that you're

1502
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,720
afraid he's gonna accept, it or that you're just not

1503
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,479
sold on him as your franchise. Centerpiece so if we

1504
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,720
don't get any whisper that they offered it and he

1505
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,840
turned it, down or the two sides agreed just to

1506
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,399
revisit it next, Summer i'm just putting a pin in.

1507
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:50,239
That i'm clocking.

1508
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 2: It, yep, Yep. Saul could you argue, though or is.

1509
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,199
Speaker 1: This two ass backwards to say if it takes him

1510
01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,720
through his age thirty, season maybe he doesn't sign, It but,

1511
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,199
like is it the worst thing in the world? Too,

1512
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:03,840
Okay like we have Ja. Morant it's kind of a

1513
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:09,039
like a guard super. Athletic we haven't locked up through

1514
01:11:09,079 --> 01:11:10,960
his age thirty. Season now we know we don't have

1515
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:13,439
to go any further out if we continue to. Wait

1516
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,520
does that feel like maybe a sweet spot or is

1517
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,479
it just a we've already seen like, availability that's.

1518
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:20,159
Speaker 2: You, Here that's a really good. Point that is a

1519
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:24,720
sweet spot because you kind of expect that's probably the

1520
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,880
age where he starts to decline, physically where the lack

1521
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,359
of let's just let's just say, it the lack of

1522
01:11:31,399 --> 01:11:35,079
a floor game is gonna turn him into like A

1523
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:39,520
Russell Westbrook adjason, player which isn't a great great news

1524
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,319
for The. Grizzlies so, NO i don't think that's that's

1525
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,359
that would be in a grecious. PLAN i do think

1526
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:46,359
it'd be greecious if they gave, him you, know the

1527
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,079
full maxims on that, Extension like what did you say

1528
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:50,560
he was eligible? Before was it two?

1529
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: WEEK i think it's a little less than.

1530
01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 2: That hopefully a lot less than.

1531
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: THAT i, MEAN i think it's like in the one

1532
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,800
eighteens or something like, that when you do the Actual,

1533
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:04,239
honestly MAYBE i still Think Trey young is gonna be

1534
01:12:04,359 --> 01:12:05,760
like kind of the case. STUDY i thought it was

1535
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,760
gonna Be Jennon Jackson, junior by the, way but he

1536
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,640
renegotiated and extended, Right LIKE i just, think AND i

1537
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,880
might be, wrong but one of my hunches is that

1538
01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:18,000
the bar for max, contracts especially like coming off that first,

1539
01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:20,800
one like the rookie scale, MAX i think it's just

1540
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,159
gonna be higher in the way that the like in

1541
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:25,239
this NEW. Cba AND i know that some people think

1542
01:12:25,319 --> 01:12:28,399
the the aprons have been, overstated BUT i really think

1543
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,199
it's gonna become like a bugaboo to where someone like

1544
01:12:31,279 --> 01:12:34,439
A tray or like someone who's just not a consensus

1545
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,840
top fifteen player consistently year in and year, out is

1546
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,920
not always gonna have the. Max maybe it's top twenty

1547
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,760
out of like however you want to game. It we've

1548
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,880
kind of yet to see that example in. Play maybe

1549
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,279
that'll happen. Again Is John morant a guy like that

1550
01:12:49,399 --> 01:12:51,800
or is It Trey? YOUNG i honestly don't, know BUT

1551
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,560
i just have this suspicion that it's going to become

1552
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,000
more like the Bar ford is gonna become. Higher and

1553
01:12:57,039 --> 01:12:59,560
If John morant doesn't even get offered one his you

1554
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,439
can kind of right off and say he's missed a

1555
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,319
lot of. Time The grizzlies also made this Weird Desmond

1556
01:13:04,359 --> 01:13:06,399
bay not, weird but they made The Desmond bay. Move

1557
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,439
it seems like they're kind of reorienting a little. Bit

1558
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,840
so that's WHY i Have Trey young's name still. Circled

1559
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:12,640
it's just if he doesn't get an extension or if

1560
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,560
he signs for less than the, max that's gonna be

1561
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:18,800
a trend That i'll be monitoring moving. Forward, YEP i

1562
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,319
think that's good on The. Grizzlies we can move on

1563
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,520
to The Minnesota, timberwolves who are, UNINTERESTING i think in

1564
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,000
kind of a good. Way like it just feels like

1565
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:29,920
most of their business is. Done but do you think

1566
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:33,000
they have thirteen guaranteed contracts on the book books? More

1567
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,119
do you think they need to add another ball handler

1568
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,920
or Is Rob dillingham officially? Ready or if they decide

1569
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,359
to add another ball, handler what does that say About Rob?

1570
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,439
Dillingham like where do you sort of land on all of?

1571
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,319
Speaker 2: THAT i, mean you can add another ballhandl where it

1572
01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:51,479
doesn't have to be a guy who, potentially you, know

1573
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,039
goes into the starting lineup or anything like you can

1574
01:13:55,119 --> 01:14:00,239
add another ballhandler who is, like what a third point

1575
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:03,720
guard or something along those lines, like that'd be. FINE

1576
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,319
i would definitely give the ball To dillingham and just,

1577
01:14:07,359 --> 01:14:09,239
say all, right run this, show let's see what you,

1578
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:12,960
got and then we Have Mike conley to sort, of you,

1579
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:14,399
know save his ass if.

1580
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:19,399
Speaker 1: Necessary can my comedy still save asses in the year twenty?

1581
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:24,319
Speaker 2: Five that's the bigger. Question did anyone pick Up Monte? Morris,

1582
01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:28,159
no he's still out there all, Right and wasn't he

1583
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,600
with The wolves at one point, Too like doesn't?

1584
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: He? YEAH i think he. WAS i mean they could

1585
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,720
be another Interesting Malcolm rogden.

1586
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 2: Team oh that that's a good. Shout, YEAH i don't

1587
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,680
hate that because then he can also play the off

1588
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:43,239
guard spot and uh be more of a, scorer WHICH

1589
01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:44,920
i think would be the worst thing in the. World,

1590
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:45,840
YEAH i don't hate that.

1591
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: Because they have do they?

1592
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 2: Actually?

1593
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: MAYBE i was, like, noh, yeah thirteen players On, Yeah

1594
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:55,800
SO I i just, wonder, like because if they don't

1595
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,279
add another ball handler and they don't Be Rob dillingham

1596
01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:00,560
and someone's gonna come in and soak up like minutes per,

1597
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,319
GAME i think it puts kind of a lot of

1598
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:06,560
pressure On Tarren Shannon, Junior Dante, DiVincenzo and then of

1599
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,399
Course Julius Ranald Affey. Edwards they feel like one guaranteed

1600
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,520
someone can come in and make some decisions with the

1601
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,920
ball short AND i Like Rob dillingham in, theory should

1602
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,119
be that. PLAYER i came away From Summer league kind of,

1603
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,479
THINKING i don't know if that's gonna happen this, season.

1604
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:28,520
Speaker 2: Though Summer league is such a hard you, know Fair

1605
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:31,199
like that's, yeah, right you know Where i'm going with.

1606
01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:34,560
This it's such it's like it's such a difficult place

1607
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,600
to like project. ANYTHING i do hear you, Though like

1608
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,359
he only played ten minutes per game last season when

1609
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,039
he was like the eighth overall selection and they needed guard.

1610
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:46,960
Play that was kind of. Worrying but it's not to

1611
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:49,720
the point Where i'm like out on him by any

1612
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:54,359
stretch of the. IMAGINATION i guess we'll. SEE i don't

1613
01:15:54,399 --> 01:15:56,479
hate the idea of getting another guard, in BUT i

1614
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,960
don't think it'd be one of those guards who would,

1615
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:03,840
like like threaten him to take away minutes on his,

1616
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,680
Account like you need someone who's just basically acceptant of

1617
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,520
whatever they're gonna, get right, Like AND i think.

1618
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,159
Speaker 1: To be, Clear the only way THAT i so what

1619
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:14,520
the actual red flag would BECAUSE i don't think anyone

1620
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,520
they're gonna sign unless they Were Ben simmons team for some.

1621
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,279
Reason even that wouldn't necessarily signal. Anything it would be

1622
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:24,039
a trade where it's And i'm saying they don't Trade Rob.

1623
01:16:24,079 --> 01:16:27,119
Dillingham would they trade for another ballhander that you look

1624
01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:29,039
at like if this was The Io dissumu, team you

1625
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:32,319
might clock that and, say, oh they might not have

1626
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:33,520
faith In Rob dillingham next?

1627
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:38,359
Speaker 2: Season? Yeah what? What what would?

1628
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: All? Right?

1629
01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:39,359
Speaker 2: Io?

1630
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:42,239
Speaker 1: OH i was just throwing their trade assets are so

1631
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,880
like you don't want to trade. That you have some

1632
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,920
more flexibility on the trade, market just relative to they

1633
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,560
are with the salary. Cap BUT i don't like who

1634
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,680
do he Like Leonard miller and like they just their matching.

1635
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,600
Salaries Mike conley if it's Not Rob dillingham Or devincenzo.

1636
01:16:57,399 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 2: Actually need like a mixture contract to. Move they don't

1637
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:03,479
have a guy making in like the sixteen seventeen million dollar,

1638
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:08,239
area WHICH i think could be an issue moving. Forward well,

1639
01:17:08,319 --> 01:17:08,960
NO i.

1640
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: Mean they have like nas reed moving, forward but that's

1641
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,000
in the.

1642
01:17:12,079 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 2: Twenties, yeah and are they ready to move off of

1643
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,640
him given the contract that they, signed because that's also

1644
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,359
a weird, team, right because the extended will bear sometime

1645
01:17:22,399 --> 01:17:22,840
it go as.

1646
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 1: Well Like evencenzo's extension eligible. Too i'd wondered if they

1647
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,640
might extend, him but he has two more years. LEFT

1648
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,119
i think that's a decision you wait for next.

1649
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:31,039
Speaker 2: Summer, YEAH i think so.

1650
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:35,199
Speaker 1: TOO i but, like he seems way too important to move,

1651
01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:37,279
Either and so then you're, like could You is it

1652
01:17:37,399 --> 01:17:40,319
feasible to think that maybe you could upgrade From Mike

1653
01:17:40,359 --> 01:17:42,119
conley by Moving Mike, conley.

1654
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: Like in a one on one.

1655
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: Trade, NO i mean you probably to sweeten it a little.

1656
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 2: Bit, no he depends on the. Sweetener but, NO i

1657
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,159
think that should be fairly. REASONABLE i, mean he's an

1658
01:17:54,359 --> 01:17:56,000
expiring contract after.

1659
01:17:56,079 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: ALL i Just i'm very curious to see what type

1660
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,399
of Role dillingham plays this. Season that's off on The

1661
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:04,439
wolves another kind of easy. Team they're not a lot

1662
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,920
of business left to. Do speaking of teams that are

1663
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,239
not easy, though, more The pistons have a ton of The. Pistons,

1664
01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:14,640
wow Sorry detroit. Fans The pelicans have a ton of,

1665
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,640
Bigs AND i would say, no elite rim. Protectors statistically,

1666
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,600
speaking their most elite rim protector last season when you

1667
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,920
look at points saved seventy five possessions Was Kevon, looney

1668
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,199
but he did not contest a ton of shots at the.

1669
01:18:30,279 --> 01:18:33,319
Rim like just relative to being in that, POSITION i

1670
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:36,720
Think Eve's mecI would probably be your best bet is Saying,

1671
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,199
okay that's your best rim protect because it's Not, zion

1672
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:40,359
it's Not Derek.

1673
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 2: Queen so it's just definitely, Yeah so is that like? Fine,

1674
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:54,680
yeah emphasis on, Fine like it's it's, unspectacular it's what it.

1675
01:18:54,840 --> 01:19:00,279
IS i love how you're like completely lacery dear on

1676
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,800
all the rim protection Where i'm just, like, oh look

1677
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,640
at all the holes everywhere else as, Well it's like,

1678
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,560
okay if they figure out their, protection that's, cool then

1679
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:14,039
they only have to like fill out seven hundred other.

1680
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:15,720
Gaps well they have.

1681
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,319
Speaker 1: Like they have some shooting and self creation on the

1682
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,399
roster now maybe because say they don't have enough, shooting

1683
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,279
but like you Have Trey, murphy There's Jeremiah, fears There's

1684
01:19:24,319 --> 01:19:26,159
Jordan poole shot at, Well Jeremia field's not really a,

1685
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:28,399
shooter But Jordan poole shot it really well last. Year

1686
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,119
you would have to assume they have enough ball, handling

1687
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:33,199
especially if De Jonta murray's gonna come back at some.

1688
01:19:33,319 --> 01:19:36,880
Point So i'm JUST i Guess i'm just for a.

1689
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,760
Team this is why it stood out for a team

1690
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,479
that has so Many first of, all they're not even

1691
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,079
like conventionally big most of them, anyway like when you

1692
01:19:43,119 --> 01:19:45,479
look At zion or Kevon, Looney like for a team

1693
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,720
that has so many bigs to not really have like

1694
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,319
a guy THAT i point, to, like, yeah that's like

1695
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:52,279
a really elite rim. Protector which is WHY i Remember

1696
01:19:52,319 --> 01:19:54,600
Schmidt dua covers The pelicans for in the note does

1697
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,920
A Fantastic job had suggested they go all in on

1698
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,760
A Walker kessler, Trade and WHEN i was reading what

1699
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,439
he and it all made, Sense i'm just, like that's

1700
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,600
a really shitty spot to be in after you just

1701
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,239
Drafted Derek queen and then signed Von.

1702
01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:10,520
Speaker 2: Looney, yep this is generally a small team for, by

1703
01:20:11,079 --> 01:20:14,439
and you just thought it seemed that how to phrase, this,

1704
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:20,000
like you you have quality at a certain at a

1705
01:20:20,039 --> 01:20:24,880
certain level at more or less every, position but the

1706
01:20:25,079 --> 01:20:29,600
quality is so inconsistent it every every ounce of it

1707
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,239
comes with like question marks like Look sion h And

1708
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:37,319
Brian sapporik shout out to. Him he actually reminded me

1709
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:42,399
on a podcast we recorded That scion has some issues

1710
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,680
that like legal issues that are going to be a. Thing,

1711
01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:50,199
uh THIS nba season or off season has just been,

1712
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,359
loaded SO i actually completely forgot about. That so there's

1713
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,000
that which could also affect his play on the, court

1714
01:20:57,039 --> 01:21:02,039
which also can affect his future in the. League there's

1715
01:21:02,079 --> 01:21:04,920
The Jordan poole situation of it, all where you don't

1716
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,960
really know what kind of version of him you're going to.

1717
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,159
Get are you going to, get you, know the more

1718
01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:13,439
calmed down version of last, year or you're getting year

1719
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,199
One Washington Jordan poole where he's just firing up. Shit

1720
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:22,199
what's the injury situation With deyonce Like Herb, Jones is

1721
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:25,600
he going to be Healthy jeremiah? Fears is he going

1722
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,319
to have a year one? Breakout more or? Less like

1723
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:30,920
is he going to be a rookie the year? CANDIDATE

1724
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,720
i have him like in that discussion at the very,

1725
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,680
least especially if the shot is going to come, along,

1726
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:41,560
well we don't know that. Yet we'll See Derrek. Queen

1727
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,039
according To ricky O'Donnell who like. That i'm just going

1728
01:21:44,119 --> 01:21:47,279
to use his. Words it's a no, three NO d, center, which,

1729
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:49,840
yeah that sounds great in the year twenty twenty.

1730
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: Five you, KNOW i typically do not like those. Players

1731
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,960
AND i came away from him in Summer league like

1732
01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:57,800
really appreciating what he. Does but you very much. NOTICED

1733
01:21:58,159 --> 01:21:59,840
i know a lot of people called out the. DEFENSE

1734
01:22:00,119 --> 01:22:03,399
i wasn't as locked in on. That the ground bound

1735
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,720
ness is just overwhelming the evident.

1736
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 2: No SO i, mean, Look queen is good at what he.

1737
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,800
Does LIKE i think the best THING i the best

1738
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,560
COMP i came up with WHEN i did my scouting on,

1739
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,720
him is he felt like A Boogey cousins in terms

1740
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,920
of just scoring the, basketball like getting from POINT a

1741
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,279
to POINT b and just putting the ball in the.

1742
01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:28,680
Basket that is not, insignificant like that's that's a substantial skill.

1743
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,680
Set but if you can't defend the, basket if you

1744
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,840
can't hit the three in this day and, age good.

1745
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,399
Luck and also we still don't know what the Hell

1746
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,520
Jordan hawkins. Is AND i, look this seems just like

1747
01:22:43,319 --> 01:22:45,520
we can talk about room, protection but we can talk

1748
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:51,319
about like three point, shooting decision, making roster, stability legal, Issues.

1749
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: Well what this. Team it's so when you look, like

1750
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,159
let's talk about like the like the, facilitation you look at,

1751
01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:59,479
this it's, Like, okay they have a bunch of different ball.

1752
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,399
Handlers do you trust any of them to be like

1753
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,760
the primary table setter for everybody? Else and it's probably

1754
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,760
not Like zion and that's. It so it's just the

1755
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,119
bigs just stood out to me, too because The Dejonte murray,

1756
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:13,960
thing if he's, healthy maybe that like the complexion of

1757
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,720
their team looks. Different there there's a ton of questions

1758
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,199
with this, team but in terms of just like what

1759
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,399
urgently needs the biggest, upgrade it seems like if they're

1760
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,560
trying to be good next season and if you're going

1761
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,600
to trade an unprotected first round, PICK i Know pelicansans

1762
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:27,920
are gonna be tired of hearing, it but if that's

1763
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,000
the deal you're gonna, make you're trying to be really

1764
01:23:30,039 --> 01:23:32,399
good next. Season if it's like that's the thing that

1765
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,520
could improve this team the, most would be, like let's

1766
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,159
put an elite rim protector on this, team because now you're,

1767
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:40,159
insulating like where do you think it's easiest to cover

1768
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:42,760
up for defensive. EFFICIENCIES i think if you have that strong,

1769
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,239
backstop it's gonna be harder to do from the perimeter

1770
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,039
working outside. In and also like you Have Jose, alvarado

1771
01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:51,600
you Have Herb, jones you Have Trey murphy running around the.

1772
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,119
Perimeter SO i think that they need To i'm WITH

1773
01:23:55,359 --> 01:23:57,079
i hadn't given it enough shot. Thoughts so it's like

1774
01:23:57,079 --> 01:23:58,760
shout out To schmidt until he wrote about, IT i

1775
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:00,800
think a few weeks. Ago but that's what it feels

1776
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,960
like this team should. REALLY i Like Eves, mecI i

1777
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:05,239
Like Derek, QUEEN i Like, zion but, like those guys

1778
01:24:05,279 --> 01:24:08,439
are not, Again mecI comes closest there, probably but they're

1779
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,119
not GUYS i view as Just oh they can be

1780
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:14,000
elite rim, protectors the back line of a of a

1781
01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:17,960
really good. DEFENSE i agree with that this is gonna

1782
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:19,720
be a spicy. One more, so buckle in for the

1783
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,439
next hour and a. Half will The Oklahoma City? Thunder

1784
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,319
is it time to move on From Ushman jang and

1785
01:24:25,359 --> 01:24:26,439
maybe create another roster.

1786
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: Spot, yes.

1787
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: That hurts my soul as who someone who is all

1788
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:37,520
in On Usman jang like three years. Ago but, YEAH

1789
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,680
i MEAN i don't like they do. TRADITIONALLY i, mean

1790
01:24:40,079 --> 01:24:42,119
they end up moving these guys that are headed for

1791
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:44,399
restricted free agency or might be extension. Ledgeable we saw

1792
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,640
it With Josh, giddy there were some delays on like

1793
01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:48,560
like we saw it With Trey, Mann like there was

1794
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,399
more delays on that In, poku who's out of THE nba,

1795
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,199
Currently but like from The Sam presty, playbook it seems

1796
01:24:55,239 --> 01:24:57,680
Like Usman jang would go. Somewhere it's just will happen

1797
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,520
over the offseason or is it gonna happen closer to

1798
01:24:59,560 --> 01:24:59,880
the trade.

1799
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:07,119
Speaker 2: LINE i guess we'll find out waving. Stretch, No i'm.

1800
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: Kidding, like If i'm The, Nets i'm taking a flyer

1801
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,960
On Husmann. Jang If i'm the The, JAZZ i guess

1802
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,680
The jazz have a ton of like. Forwards well they,

1803
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,079
could they Have, lowry they Have Taylor. Hendrix, yeah They're

1804
01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:22,039
Phila paski right there.

1805
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: Are POSITION i, mean, YEAH i guess you.

1806
01:25:26,119 --> 01:25:29,319
Speaker 1: Could he makes under five million. Bucks you're gonna tell

1807
01:25:29,359 --> 01:25:30,640
me he's not worth a flyer.

1808
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: Us Ben jang east in your earning six point, Six.

1809
01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:36,520
Speaker 1: Okay he makes under seven million bucks.

1810
01:25:36,359 --> 01:25:42,119
Speaker 2: Moret, okay fair enough in today's league is like four

1811
01:25:42,279 --> 01:25:44,439
percent of the salary. CAP i could get behind. That

1812
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,479
it just has has anything stood out to you over

1813
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:48,720
three years so?

1814
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,039
Speaker 1: Far there is maybe not so much, anymore but there

1815
01:25:53,079 --> 01:25:56,279
have been moments there's like a real on ball feel.

1816
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,000
There we just have like the shooting and then he

1817
01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:01,439
gets in like these deer and headlights stances on. Defense

1818
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,159
totally get. It but LIKE i think if you put

1819
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:07,479
him in an offense that maybe makes him he's still

1820
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,000
kind of, skinny can he work out of the short?

1821
01:26:09,119 --> 01:26:11,279
ROLE i would just be interested to see put him

1822
01:26:11,279 --> 01:26:13,479
around a bunch of spacers and maybe see what he

1823
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,000
could do if you're gonna put him the, Ball, like

1824
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:16,079
is there A Jeremy?

1825
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:20,159
Speaker 2: Sewen did you say put him around a bunch of?

1826
01:26:20,279 --> 01:26:23,359
Spacers as if he's like the number one Option.

1827
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:28,279
Speaker 1: Josh giddy has like put the ball in his hands

1828
01:26:28,359 --> 01:26:30,600
like put like if you can put him on a. Team, clear,

1829
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,800
guys come, on first of, all if you're trying to

1830
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,279
command the, tank you're gonna tell me that's a bad.

1831
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:40,279
Speaker 2: Idea oh that's, fair that's a fair. Point so like

1832
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,319
you're saying you should straight For Ustman jang if you

1833
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,560
are a sneaky, tank.

1834
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:49,159
Speaker 1: T how do we get him To boston for this,

1835
01:26:49,319 --> 01:26:51,000
year BECAUSE i have no idea what the fuck they're

1836
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:51,399
planning on.

1837
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:56,159
Speaker 2: Doing boston needs a, center, Yeah boston needs the. Center

1838
01:26:56,399 --> 01:26:58,920
Usman jang is starting. Center go for, it all, right

1839
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,159
That's Sam howe.

1840
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: To, okay see For Usman jang and. STUFF i would

1841
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:09,359
Say boston money, TOO i don't actually does, okay see have? That? Okay,

1842
01:27:09,399 --> 01:27:12,960
SEE i just assume has infinite salary. Flexibility, uh they

1843
01:27:13,039 --> 01:27:15,079
are other barely under the tacks that might take them,

1844
01:27:15,119 --> 01:27:18,079
over so they're, yeah they would need to throw some model. Stuff, Okay,

1845
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,000
yeah that's not gonna work for. Them, Sorry and you're

1846
01:27:21,039 --> 01:27:23,399
not obviously not gonna Trade Thomas. Sorber that's just not.

1847
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,199
Allowed so they could. WORK i, mean but let's get

1848
01:27:27,239 --> 01:27:29,520
them to Send Sam howser somewhere. Else THEN i don't like,

1849
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:33,640
god so but, YEAH i think it's just a matter

1850
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,640
of when for, him because there's no pathway for him

1851
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:36,479
to getting minutes on this.

1852
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 2: Team, no, No but BUT i also, LIKE i just feel,

1853
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,720
like and it sounds ridiculous because this team is so freakin,

1854
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,199
Deep i'm just at that point Where i'm, like also

1855
01:27:47,359 --> 01:27:50,239
looking at the salary. Slot i'm, going, oh you can do. Better, okay,

1856
01:27:50,319 --> 01:27:53,159
see but like that's some real sick oh shit. Too

1857
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,920
i'm looking at literally the deepest team in the, league

1858
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,159
And i'm going they could do better with that six

1859
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:00,359
point six million. Dollars it would be.

1860
01:28:00,399 --> 01:28:03,359
Speaker 1: Like embarrassment of. Riches shit is if they Traded Usman

1861
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,680
jang and stuff and then it just got. IOH i

1862
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,760
think that would fit within their like keep them under the,

1863
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,960
tax and then it's they have all these, okay like

1864
01:28:10,039 --> 01:28:12,600
these defenders who could small but can guard. Up that

1865
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,439
would just be. Ridiculous But i'm wondering If.

1866
01:28:16,119 --> 01:28:19,239
Speaker 2: Mitchell who's, like oh, yeah finally a, contract PERHAPS i

1867
01:28:19,279 --> 01:28:19,960
can play a little.

1868
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: Bit, NO i mean at that point they're playing five

1869
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,560
guards at. Once it's absolutely, happening right.

1870
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:26,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1871
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah we move on to The Phoenix, suns, who, uh

1872
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:35,920
we're very weird about the way that they announced like

1873
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,680
their their. Point I'm i'm very sensitive the. Word i'm

1874
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,079
kind of cognizant that we don't need to use traditional

1875
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,479
like positional. Archetypes but The sons have gone out of

1876
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,039
their way to make it say Like jail And green

1877
01:28:47,079 --> 01:28:49,439
will be starting at point, guard which is just no

1878
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,880
matter what you're trying to, do whether it's make it

1879
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,079
seem Like Devin booker gets to slide to his natural

1880
01:28:54,199 --> 01:28:56,000
role or that you're not going to put a certain

1881
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,239
responsibility on. Him the look is just. Terrible AND i

1882
01:28:59,279 --> 01:29:00,920
don't think you gets to sit here and, say like

1883
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,920
If Jordan goodwin Or Jared butler makes the, roster or

1884
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:07,079
if you Have colin JUST gilseppi, like that's not the

1885
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:10,279
answer this. TEAM i know that positions are very. Fluid

1886
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,000
they need like a game manager like this would be

1887
01:29:13,079 --> 01:29:15,239
the Roster Tias jones would have made sense on rather

1888
01:29:15,279 --> 01:29:16,920
than last, year because the ball would have been in

1889
01:29:17,039 --> 01:29:19,800
his hands a little bit. MORE i, like are they

1890
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,000
really not gonna sign a four general type? Player?

1891
01:29:22,079 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 2: More, uh, well give me a, Second i'll call. MANAGEMENT

1892
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,439
i don't, know given that they're spending one hundred and

1893
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:35,239
thirty four million on the five, guys the five top

1894
01:29:35,319 --> 01:29:39,119
earners on their, team and they're all, WINGS i would

1895
01:29:39,159 --> 01:29:41,680
say that they ping themselves into a. Corner. Dan that

1896
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:46,279
would be MY i read on this. SITUATION i don't

1897
01:29:46,279 --> 01:29:47,840
know what the hell they're trying to. DO i don't

1898
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,720
know what they're trying to achieve. Here i'm guessing that

1899
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,000
there's a trade head line trade lined, up because this

1900
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,920
makes just no. Sense their roster construction is completely.

1901
01:29:58,399 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: Warped so is this especially with all those young bigs

1902
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,680
on the, roster, right like with Or Mark williams And

1903
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,399
came And mallawatch, specifically it feels, like, LOOK i Think

1904
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:10,239
Devin booker is probably an undervalued passer at this, point

1905
01:30:10,359 --> 01:30:12,720
but it feels like they need someone else to like

1906
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,960
help organize those bigs or at least put them in

1907
01:30:15,039 --> 01:30:17,000
optimal situations coming out of. Screens.

1908
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 2: Correct, yes like you brought Up io for literally every

1909
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,279
single team out. There is he the New Kobe?

1910
01:30:24,319 --> 01:30:24,560
Speaker 1: White?

1911
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 2: Right? Like he? Is probably the guys who bring up

1912
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,359
for this team someone who can just run the show,

1913
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,720
will albeit in a low, usage low volume. Roll, yes.

1914
01:30:37,319 --> 01:30:39,119
Speaker 1: So you don't expect. Them you think they'll roll into

1915
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:41,600
the season like, This you. Don't they're apparently interested In Jonathan,

1916
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:44,359
kamingo which does he make sense on this.

1917
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:48,119
Speaker 2: Team not as a floor, leader, no well, no not.

1918
01:30:48,199 --> 01:30:50,079
Speaker 1: As i'm not as a point, guard but as a

1919
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,680
even as JUST i guess you want another on ball

1920
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,000
score even though you Have Jalen. GREEN i just find

1921
01:30:55,039 --> 01:30:55,439
that odd.

1922
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 2: Too, NO i don't like to fit. THERE i, mean,

1923
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,399
look so you're also gonna hinder Like Ryan dunn's, development

1924
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,119
who is like his minutes are actually going to be

1925
01:31:04,399 --> 01:31:08,560
significantly important to them because if his three ball takes

1926
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:12,920
another like leap and if his defense remains like that's

1927
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,720
that's a player right. THERE i just, don't LIKE i

1928
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,399
want them to do. Something we're at that stage of

1929
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,880
the summer where just kind of surveying the, field like

1930
01:31:23,159 --> 01:31:25,920
how many open trades are there at this, Point like

1931
01:31:27,039 --> 01:31:29,359
can they, like, ha, hi we want to point guard

1932
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,439
For Grayson, Allen like twenty nine teams are just gonna

1933
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,600
shut the phone off and it's just like, nope not

1934
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,479
gonna take. IT i JUST i don't know what the trade.

1935
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,359
IS i don't know what the deal. IS i don't

1936
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,920
know what is out there for them that actually makes.

1937
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,399
Sense are they Shopping Dylan? Brooks if, so who are they?

1938
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,600
Targeting how does it make? Sense it's still not gonna

1939
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,640
fix The Jalen Green Devin boker, thing LIKE i hate

1940
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,960
this roster with a passion of a thousand. Suns, YEAH i.

1941
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,359
Speaker 1: DON'T i don't know what the movie is, Either like

1942
01:31:58,399 --> 01:32:00,800
even you look At sacramento has like a surfeit of,

1943
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,319
guards but none of THEM i think come close to

1944
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:05,640
Like i'm a weak monk like that doesn't really do

1945
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,119
it for me, Here utah is probably not willing to

1946
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:10,800
sell that low On Kyante george would mean my guess

1947
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:11,439
he might be semi.

1948
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 2: Interesting games guys should just mentioned are better as twos, Anyway.

1949
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 1: Kiante, GEORGE i think there's probably still some, room BUT

1950
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:19,800
i do know your.

1951
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,039
Speaker 2: Point no, sure but he was still he came into

1952
01:32:22,119 --> 01:32:24,159
the league as a. Two they tried to develop him

1953
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:26,439
as a. One there they're still doing that and he's done.

1954
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,479
ADMIRABLY i will give him, that but if we are

1955
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:34,560
being real with, ourselves his best position probably still the.

1956
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 1: Two you know what's kind of sneaky good at throwing.

1957
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:40,840
Lobs i'm just wondering if he was. Gettable Jose, alvarado

1958
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,800
such as a non Start New. Orleans he's two years

1959
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,680
and nine million dollars slept on his. Deal that's so fucking.

1960
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,279
CHEAP i don't mean to. Cackle it's so.

1961
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 2: Ridiculous what like is? There it seem out there that

1962
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:56,000
just have an over abundance of point guards.

1963
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,560
Speaker 1: Of, LIKE i, Mean charlotte's weird right. Now they all

1964
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:06,479
of a sudden went like guard. Crazy But Colin sexton

1965
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:10,560
isn't really a point. Guard Josh green can do some

1966
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:12,600
live dribble, stuff his grant would point out if he

1967
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:14,960
was on the, Show BUT i can't get a board

1968
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:15,640
Of Josh green.

1969
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:19,359
Speaker 2: Train, no, no not at, All and like The clippers

1970
01:33:19,399 --> 01:33:21,760
are probably not gonna like give Them Chris done.

1971
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:26,199
Speaker 1: Anyway that's also, like is that someone you want running the? Show, yeah,

1972
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:29,239
no not, Really Bug. Done macdonovich doesn't, really that's not.

1973
01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:31,199
Real there was never his super strong, suit but that's

1974
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:35,399
not really his game. Anymore they might be able to

1975
01:33:35,399 --> 01:33:37,720
talk themselves Into Cam thomas being like a point guard.

1976
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:43,520
Speaker 2: Type that'd be, interesting to say the.

1977
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,039
Speaker 1: Least, yeah they would be a team that would be, like,

1978
01:33:46,079 --> 01:33:48,600
hey If denver was looking at shed this out like

1979
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,800
a jail and, picket they'd take a flyer on. Him

1980
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,920
i'm not saying he's the, answer but at that point it's, like,

1981
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:55,840
well then IF i have a problem With Colin deseppi

1982
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,720
And Jalen green running, Things I'm i'm totally cool With

1983
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,720
Jalen pickett running. It so, YEAH i, mean, yeah there's

1984
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,560
no teams with like AND i don't even know if

1985
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,680
Like Malcolm brock, did mostly is going to create out a.

1986
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,239
Drive SO i can't even say they'd be a Great

1987
01:34:08,319 --> 01:34:09,239
Malcolm brock didn't.

1988
01:34:09,239 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: Team i'll tell you. Something this is something That i've

1989
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:18,880
been not tracking in like a scientific. Sense it does

1990
01:34:19,039 --> 01:34:23,199
feel like the league at large is getting lower on point,

1991
01:34:23,239 --> 01:34:24,520
guards like actual point.

1992
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:28,119
Speaker 1: Guards, well it seems like they want players with more

1993
01:34:28,199 --> 01:34:29,960
size who can pass shoot.

1994
01:34:30,399 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 2: Like but it feels like the traditional like court vision point,

1995
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:42,479
guard like one position point guard is about to.

1996
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: Die there feel that way about one position players in

1997
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:47,600
general a little.

1998
01:34:47,399 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 2: Bit potentially, so but the point guard was always like your,

1999
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:54,520
quarterback like the heart of your. Team he always sort

2000
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,000
of found a way to, survive Right and now that

2001
01:34:57,159 --> 01:35:01,119
position seems to be not. There like when is the

2002
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:05,039
last time we've seen like a draft where you, go,

2003
01:35:05,279 --> 01:35:08,119
oh they have like three point guards in this draft

2004
01:35:08,319 --> 01:35:11,319
could be all, starts like when like even one or

2005
01:35:11,359 --> 01:35:14,039
two like at best, two and then it's like one

2006
01:35:14,079 --> 01:35:16,319
of them is sort of a a, Surprise like when

2007
01:35:16,399 --> 01:35:19,319
is the last time we've really seen a guy just

2008
01:35:19,399 --> 01:35:22,479
come in and you're, going, oh that's a franchise point

2009
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:25,079
guard right. There it's been a, while.

2010
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:31,079
Speaker 1: Like and does it can't scale up to a different, position, Right?

2011
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:36,079
Speaker 2: Moran was see the last one scoot or did you? Think?

2012
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,159
YEAH i felt LIKE i was missing. One scoot is

2013
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:40,560
probably the one he got the, hype that's.

2014
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,560
Speaker 1: True Does Dylan harper fit that bill Or? No he's

2015
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,439
kind of viewed as like he could.

2016
01:35:46,279 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 2: Coumbo right because see because the size alone makes him

2017
01:35:50,039 --> 01:35:52,239
a little bit of an untraditional point guard if.

2018
01:35:52,279 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 1: Anything, Yeah, no that's, right that's a GOOD i hadn't

2019
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,119
thought about. It i've always viewed as like the the

2020
01:35:59,239 --> 01:36:02,399
one position four is what everybody seems to be right? Out,

2021
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:06,359
yeah does like What Gabe vincent does that do anything for?

2022
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:10,600
Speaker 2: You, LIKE i don't Think Gabe vincent does anything For Gabe.

2023
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 1: Vincent, wow even when he's, healthy seems. Rude should they

2024
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,239
be The Terry rozier team The Terry rozier renaissance begins In? Phoenix?

2025
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:24,119
Speaker 2: Uh, WELL i mean just just make sure that when

2026
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:27,359
he sucks. Out, No i'm not not gonna go.

2027
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:32,159
Speaker 1: There. Uh, yeah they're in a tough. Spot BUT i

2028
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:34,640
do think like they should probably make having a, bet

2029
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,720
like getting a better passer on this team needs to

2030
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,880
be a. Priority that's Where i'm got for.

2031
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 2: Sure, No, yeah this this roster has just a lot of.

2032
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:47,199
Speaker 1: Issues our next team is The Portland, trailblazers And i'm

2033
01:36:47,239 --> 01:36:51,079
asking this. Question Maybe i'm overthinking, it especially Because dame's

2034
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:54,319
not gonna play until next. Year but as of right,

2035
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,560
now are we to believe that one or both Of

2036
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,399
Jeremy grant is gonna come off the bench or is

2037
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:00,079
it more likely that one or both Of shape And

2038
01:37:00,119 --> 01:37:01,720
sharp is gonna come off the? Bench and in which

2039
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:05,479
case do you even want one or both Of Shadon

2040
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:07,119
sharp And Scoot henderson like? It just FEEL i Know

2041
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:09,479
scoot's done that for most of his, career but at

2042
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,279
some point don't you want him to? Start So i'm

2043
01:37:13,319 --> 01:37:16,239
just wondering if they're, like whether It's grant Or holiday

2044
01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:18,960
or the Names i've, circled because let's go through this this,

2045
01:37:19,079 --> 01:37:21,600
way who would you view as locks For portland's starting

2046
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,000
five or even closing five next? YEAR i would just

2047
01:37:24,039 --> 01:37:28,000
say a big whether That's klingon Or Jan, Hanson Tamani

2048
01:37:28,079 --> 01:37:30,760
kamara And Denny avdya are just my absolute.

2049
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 2: Locks, yep same. Uh i'm. LOOK i understand that The

2050
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,439
blaziers had a fun second half of the, season and

2051
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,640
they probably want to like accelerate the rebuild a little,

2052
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:47,159
bit trying to get. Competitive that's, Great Scoot shaden should

2053
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:49,880
start in the. Backcourt. ABSOLUTELY i don't give a flying

2054
01:37:50,199 --> 01:37:55,600
f About Drew holliday Or Jeremy grant's like perceived notions Of,

2055
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,119
oh look good my resume and WHAT i can. Do, no,

2056
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:03,520
like this team has to AND i emphasis on has

2057
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,800
to get scooed and shade and going to a point

2058
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,640
where they figure, out once in for, all what do

2059
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,760
we have in these? Guys, like you can't you can't

2060
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,000
jerk Around scoot. Anymore it's. Time it's year, three.

2061
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,199
Speaker 1: Especially With dame in the shadows like of the following

2062
01:38:19,239 --> 01:38:23,119
season now would seem to BE i just and Maybe

2063
01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:25,319
i'm looking at this the wrong. Way if they're prepared

2064
01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:28,760
to do, this kudos to. THEM i just can't envision

2065
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,720
seventy million dollars worth Of Drew holiday And Jeremy grant

2066
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:32,920
just coming off the bench next.

2067
01:38:33,039 --> 01:38:36,399
Speaker 2: Year, NO i but you know what it's what it.

2068
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,279
Is they made those, trades and, look if they're trying

2069
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,680
to win right now and they're using those guys for,

2070
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,039
THAT i think it's perfectly. Reasonable to ask the bigger,

2071
01:38:45,159 --> 01:38:47,880
questions like are you sacrificing the future of your own

2072
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,079
organization just to have a good twenty five twenty six

2073
01:38:51,159 --> 01:38:54,680
that's ultimately not going to lead to anything substantial like this.

2074
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,479
Season that's a bad.

2075
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:03,319
Speaker 1: Ideology so IF i was to Say i'm gonna set

2076
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:06,640
the over under of point five Of sharp And scoop

2077
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,199
coming off the bench next, year you're taking me under on.

2078
01:39:09,319 --> 01:39:10,119
That you think they'll both.

2079
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,520
Speaker 2: START i think it should it both.

2080
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: START i think one of them is gonna come off

2081
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,600
the bench as of right. Now, anyway maybe maybe that.

2082
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:22,239
Speaker 2: Changes i'm incloud to agree that that's what's gonna. Happen

2083
01:39:22,399 --> 01:39:23,840
i'm arguing that it shouldn't.

2084
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,319
Speaker 1: HAPPEN i will say IF i don't think it will be,

2085
01:39:27,399 --> 01:39:30,319
sharp but just because he feels like if you're gonna

2086
01:39:30,359 --> 01:39:32,600
if you need a starting two guard With simon's, guy

2087
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,119
it's just like it has to be sharp to. Me

2088
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,359
but if you don't extend sharp and then he's also

2089
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,720
coming off the, bench that opens like all sorts of weird.

2090
01:39:41,359 --> 01:39:44,319
Conversations AND i very much think that starting lineups can be,

2091
01:39:44,399 --> 01:39:47,960
overrated but they. Are they do also help inform what

2092
01:39:48,119 --> 01:39:51,359
these closing lineups will end up looking like SO i

2093
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,279
just had my eye. Here i'm not saying it's anything,

2094
01:39:53,359 --> 01:39:56,039
Sinister AND i think The blazers Of telegraph that maybe

2095
01:39:56,119 --> 01:39:57,680
they're gonna go for it a little bit this, year

2096
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:01,119
but they've really earmarked two, thousand twenty, six twenty twenty

2097
01:40:01,159 --> 01:40:04,039
seven as the season they'll go for it hashtag capsock

2098
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:07,560
go for. It BUT i find myself thinking that things

2099
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:10,359
would be so much easier for, them just develop mentally

2100
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,680
if they moved off OF i, MEAN i guess you

2101
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,000
just Got Drew, holliday so you're assuming he was always

2102
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:19,159
going to serve a, purpose but like Maybe Jeremy, grant

2103
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:20,840
but is he too? VALUABLE i know he couldn't hit

2104
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:22,159
it two last, year but when you look at the

2105
01:40:22,199 --> 01:40:25,720
shooting on this, roster it's so. Bad they traded their

2106
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,920
best floor spacer In Simon's dame isn't playing this. Year

2107
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,319
holiday is a clear downgrade From simons as a. Shooter

2108
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,640
and then didn't they just sign they're The Blake wesley, team,

2109
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:38,800
Right so like their shooting has gotten. WORSE i don't

2110
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:40,960
know what to do with. That like the offense feels

2111
01:40:41,079 --> 01:40:43,960
like even if LIKE i GUESS i find myself wondering

2112
01:40:44,039 --> 01:40:47,600
have they even optimized the environment For scoot And shaden

2113
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,279
to develop properly on the offensive? End yet we saw

2114
01:40:50,359 --> 01:40:53,520
strides From scoot specifically last, Year BUT i would, argue

2115
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:55,960
what Did sharp average like eighteen points a game or

2116
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,039
something last? Year, YEAH i don't know THAT i necessarily

2117
01:40:58,119 --> 01:41:01,159
learned anything about his offense through those eighteen points per.

2118
01:41:01,239 --> 01:41:05,359
Speaker 2: Game, well we know that while he hasn't a shot

2119
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:10,119
like a shot release that looks, tremendous the results are still,

2120
01:41:10,319 --> 01:41:13,560
very very. Fleeting and we can talk about that being

2121
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:18,159
a direct result of a team that wasn't necessarily like

2122
01:41:18,319 --> 01:41:23,039
a high efficiency three point shooting team that didn't really

2123
01:41:23,359 --> 01:41:27,079
always optimize force. Bacing we can talk about a general

2124
01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:30,600
lack of quality all around the. ROSTER i don't. Know

2125
01:41:31,039 --> 01:41:34,000
WHAT i do know is we saw the last half

2126
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:39,359
of last. Season we Saw denny on leish himself there

2127
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,560
at the very, Least so, LIKE i think that's where

2128
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,560
the offense is going to. START i think the ball

2129
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:45,239
is going to be in his hands a lot. MORE

2130
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:47,920
i Think scoot is probably gonna play off of that

2131
01:41:48,399 --> 01:41:50,319
more than be you, know the guy who takes care

2132
01:41:50,359 --> 01:41:52,000
of the ball eighty eighty five percent of the. Time

2133
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:56,000
so it's probably gonna be one of those things where

2134
01:41:56,279 --> 01:41:59,119
over the first month or so they're gonna throw shit

2135
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:01,399
at the, wall see what's, stick and then from month

2136
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:03,560
two and, onwards we're gonna have a better idea of

2137
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:04,119
what they're trying to.

2138
01:42:04,199 --> 01:42:07,159
Speaker 1: ACHIEVE i think that's. FAIR i still don't know what

2139
01:42:07,239 --> 01:42:10,119
their guiding offensive principles are just. YET i think they've

2140
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:12,439
made it with the personnel even harder to find. It

2141
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,640
and what you mentioned About, OVDIA i totally think he earned,

2142
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:17,880
that like what he did last, season but like it

2143
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:19,840
even makes me think more like, okay like they might

2144
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:22,039
just View scoot as a reserve, again at least for

2145
01:42:22,079 --> 01:42:23,640
the first part of the year until maybe the trade.

2146
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,079
Deadline are they shutting someone down or they end up

2147
01:42:26,119 --> 01:42:29,840
moving someone at that, point that'd be. Bad probably not

2148
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:31,680
a huge it's PROBABLY i don't know if it's a huge,

2149
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,039
problem but it's just when you had two years Of scoot.

2150
01:42:34,119 --> 01:42:38,199
PREDOMINANTLY i know he started some games being a reserve year,

2151
01:42:38,319 --> 01:42:41,640
three With Damian lillard preparing to be there in year.

2152
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,800
Four just it's just a little. Awkward i'm not saying

2153
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:47,119
they can't play, together but When scoot has yet to

2154
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:51,880
be a regular, starter it's just, weird, right our next

2155
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,039
team don't really even want to have, To, Like i'm

2156
01:42:54,119 --> 01:42:56,079
just so over this team. More i'm not gonna. Lie

2157
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,960
they're definitely gonna trade a guard or, two right?

2158
01:42:59,600 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 2: Right?

2159
01:43:00,359 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 1: Right? Please?

2160
01:43:02,279 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 2: No, eh he's probably my answer on that. One they

2161
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,560
should they, ALSO i brought this up With brian WHEN

2162
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:14,319
i recorded the other, day our good Friend Brian spork,

2163
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:17,319
like good, friend be for.

2164
01:43:17,399 --> 01:43:18,279
Speaker 1: Yourself who is? That all?

2165
01:43:18,359 --> 01:43:20,520
Speaker 2: Right that's, fair that's. Fair did we ever get an

2166
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,439
update on The demonstra. Sepponus i'm gonna have a sit

2167
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:24,039
down with The.

2168
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:26,520
Speaker 1: Kings, well we know that he called for them to

2169
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:29,479
sign a point. Guard they proceeded to, ADD i would

2170
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,600
you Call Dennis shooter like point guard adjacent or do

2171
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:32,680
you count him as a point guard?

2172
01:43:35,079 --> 01:43:37,399
Speaker 2: ADJACENT i mean, yeah.

2173
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 1: SO i would argue that they probably did not.

2174
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,600
Speaker 2: With. Carter carter is also like a point guard At Jason.

2175
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,319
Speaker 1: Player, well they're like dangling him and talks With Jonathan

2176
01:43:49,359 --> 01:43:52,800
kaminga apparently in the sign and and Look, Clifford i'm

2177
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:56,560
being believe In Nee, Clifford but who is pictured? Here

2178
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:58,720
BECAUSE i forgot to change the image from a stock

2179
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,479
THING i. HAD i do not think That king should

2180
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,720
Trade Nee. Clifford that is not WHAT i am saying right.

2181
01:44:04,039 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 2: RIGHT i don't know what to say about this Team,

2182
01:44:09,079 --> 01:44:12,279
dan other than all the fun vibes of two years

2183
01:44:12,399 --> 01:44:14,960
are are dead and buried and it's all, very very.

2184
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:20,039
HORRIBLE i have no optimism left and misfranchised at. ALL

2185
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:22,880
i don't know what the plan is short term or long.

2186
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:26,920
Term their salard structure is all over the, place So,

2187
01:44:27,079 --> 01:44:30,760
bonus WHILE i love, him is actually also A. No

2188
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,079
three To NO d, center which is so difficult to build.

2189
01:44:34,119 --> 01:44:38,479
Around they decided, that, hey The bulls apparently were great

2190
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:41,199
With saclavion De Marty, rosen so why not go after

2191
01:44:41,279 --> 01:44:45,159
that one more. Time this is probably going to Be

2192
01:44:45,279 --> 01:44:47,319
yere four where they kind of forget that they Have

2193
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,000
Keigan murray on the. Roster it's.

2194
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,079
Speaker 1: As a, rule we didn't go into rookie extensions except

2195
01:44:54,119 --> 01:44:56,640
for one. Team at the. End he's also extension eligible

2196
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,000
and his price, point that's a really tough deal for

2197
01:44:59,159 --> 01:45:01,520
him to negotiate when you look at how his role

2198
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:03,680
is fluctuated on offense over the first few.

2199
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 2: Years, yeah SO i, mean is this a team that's

2200
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:13,399
just do they have their first next? Year let me's just.

2201
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:16,079
Speaker 1: Check, yeah they, do don't they because they conveyed it

2202
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:20,520
this year to it went To? Atlanta all, right but

2203
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:22,920
there's also something might have ended up somewhere.

2204
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 2: Else but it's top ten protected next. Year but that

2205
01:45:27,079 --> 01:45:30,640
means that, okay because my thing IS i wouldn't be

2206
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:34,199
shocked if The kings are you, know a team that

2207
01:45:34,279 --> 01:45:35,960
walks away with one of the big three in the

2208
01:45:36,039 --> 01:45:38,800
draft next year that it smells like this ceased and

2209
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,319
it's gonna get off the rails pretty.

2210
01:45:41,359 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 1: Quickly do you think they're going to have the wherewithal

2211
01:45:45,079 --> 01:45:46,720
to pivot into that type of?

2212
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:51,039
Speaker 2: DIRECTION i don't think they necessarily need to piv.

2213
01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:54,399
Speaker 1: What so they do own their what what pick is

2214
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:56,880
top ten protected that you're looking? AT i have them

2215
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,479
getting their own twenty twenty. Six, FIRST i was.

2216
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 2: Looking at where it's let's see here if one to.

2217
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,760
Ten if, not oh it's not already settled With, Atlanta,

2218
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:10,960
okay so, track, yeah that's good for.

2219
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:12,560
Speaker 1: Them they just DON'T i don't know if they're the

2220
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,399
organization that would pivot into something because, also do you

2221
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:18,039
know what's weird about this. Team they do have so

2222
01:46:18,199 --> 01:46:20,520
MUCH nba talent THAT i don't know that even if

2223
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,640
they're organically, bad like they're not going to be as

2224
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:27,319
bad as like The pelicans or The JAZZ. I guess

2225
01:46:27,399 --> 01:46:29,600
maybe those are the only. Teams is there any teams

2226
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:31,199
you're prepared to say The kings are going to be

2227
01:46:31,279 --> 01:46:33,119
better than in The Western conference as of right.

2228
01:46:33,039 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 2: Now utah, Probably but like it's, you the combustibility of

2229
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,600
this team is, huge just, Huge Like Dennis schroeder is

2230
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:45,319
not necessarily not necessarily that wasn't even the WORD i

2231
01:46:45,399 --> 01:46:48,560
was looking. For is by no means a good vibes

2232
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,880
type of guy at. All so like you throw him

2233
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,600
into that locker room. Equation he's not really a point.

2234
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,159
Guard neither Is Malique. Monk let's just be real about.

2235
01:46:57,199 --> 01:46:59,520
Speaker 1: That he's like his stuff is gonna happen out of

2236
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:00,960
drive things like.

2237
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:05,600
Speaker 2: That Exactly LIKE i Love lavine never, never you should

2238
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:08,600
never cast him as a number one score which that

2239
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,079
is absolutely the role that he'll have going into the.

2240
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:14,680
Season so. Bonus still so difficult to build Around DeMar

2241
01:47:15,159 --> 01:47:20,199
just like take seventeen shots seconds off the shot clock

2242
01:47:20,279 --> 01:47:23,079
and then you, know take a consisted fade away from

2243
01:47:23,119 --> 01:47:26,359
sixteen feet that that's good. OFFENSE i, guess all, right,

2244
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:30,079
Right LIKE i just think this is a is a

2245
01:47:30,199 --> 01:47:33,920
roster that like they could come out and win like

2246
01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:36,920
five of their first ten games and people will be, like,

2247
01:47:37,039 --> 01:47:40,119
oh look at The, kings and then by the end

2248
01:47:40,119 --> 01:47:43,960
Of january they could have like twelve wins, Total like that's,

2249
01:47:45,079 --> 01:47:45,880
right WHAT i?

2250
01:47:46,359 --> 01:47:48,399
Speaker 1: Guess what do you? Do you? Know what's so their

2251
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:52,039
roster feels so? Incoherent what do you even view as

2252
01:47:52,079 --> 01:47:53,199
their single biggest?

2253
01:47:53,319 --> 01:47:58,640
Speaker 2: NEED i don't even have an answer to.

2254
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:00,279
Speaker 1: THAT i don't want to sit here and say floor

2255
01:48:00,399 --> 01:48:02,079
general when they have so many guards AND i just

2256
01:48:02,119 --> 01:48:04,439
feel like you have Some bonus And monk And DeRozan

2257
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:07,359
And levine and Like Neet clifford And, dinners like there's enough,

2258
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:09,960
THERE i, Guess but it's is it another time Like

2259
01:48:10,159 --> 01:48:12,680
Kean ellis And Keegan murray And Neat clifford or those

2260
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:17,239
your wing. Types it, DOES i, guess, right, YEAH i

2261
01:48:17,319 --> 01:48:19,760
mean backup center might be there saying they've decided, that

2262
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:21,359
oh we don't need. That we had that for half

2263
01:48:21,359 --> 01:48:22,199
a season and, no we're.

2264
01:48:22,199 --> 01:48:26,119
Speaker 2: Good we agree that this team is probably gonna rank

2265
01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:27,760
the lowest in THE nba And blocksburg.

2266
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 1: Game, right who is their best shot? Locker might Be

2267
01:48:33,079 --> 01:48:38,720
Neat Clifford murray mostly, Yeah keing And murray does contest

2268
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,079
a lot of shots at the. Rim that's a good

2269
01:48:40,239 --> 01:48:41,000
good call, out.

2270
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 2: Gacious so.

2271
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: Bad orlando doesn't really need anyone they have those like

2272
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,199
they would be a good Maybe Jonathan isaac, team like

2273
01:48:51,359 --> 01:48:53,159
just someone to come in play fifteen minutes a. Game

2274
01:48:53,239 --> 01:48:55,359
he could play the five for. Them, yeah that'd be.

2275
01:48:55,399 --> 01:48:59,079
Interesting but Or orlando's looking to save. Money what's The king's. Situation,

2276
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:01,399
no they're tone of fine too with The uh that's

2277
01:49:01,399 --> 01:49:04,840
why they had to make That yonnas Found chuni. Trade

2278
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,439
this team is so. Uninspiring, know they have six point

2279
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:11,640
seven million in tax. Space they they could do some

2280
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:13,520
Like Silver. Landos they're gonna get out of the. Tax

2281
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,720
maybe there's something. There they don't really have a but

2282
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,680
the money is just, yeah you're not giving up and,

2283
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:20,159
no you're not gonna give up any of those. Guys

2284
01:49:20,199 --> 01:49:23,079
So Jonathan isaac is basically just. Out but point taking

2285
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:24,960
is they could use a they could use a backup

2286
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:27,760
five riom. PROTECTOR i think they could use another unless

2287
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:31,399
Maybe Nee clifford is just ready right. Away but maybe

2288
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:33,399
then maybe you have between Him keegan And Kean ellis

2289
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:36,760
you just have enough? Wings uh, yeah.

2290
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 2: Oh, God, Dan, dan it doesn't, matter it's.

2291
01:49:39,039 --> 01:49:42,199
Speaker 1: Irrelevant i'm just trying to talk to myself in the

2292
01:49:42,319 --> 01:49:42,760
theory of this.

2293
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 2: Roster you're sitting in the arm way all the kings

2294
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,239
Like Jonathan, Isaac, dude what are you? Doing what are you?

2295
01:49:49,399 --> 01:49:50,199
Doing doesn't?

2296
01:49:50,279 --> 01:49:53,560
Speaker 1: Matter what's more likely A pi right? Now what's more

2297
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,359
likely The king's trade one of their guards before the

2298
01:49:56,399 --> 01:49:58,279
start of the, season or they Extend Zach.

2299
01:49:58,359 --> 01:50:02,119
Speaker 2: Levine, no more likely that the trade one of their.

2300
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:06,840
Guards let's be. Real that. Depends that depends because If

2301
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:10,039
sag is open to like declining that last year and

2302
01:50:10,199 --> 01:50:15,520
he gets like flat, thirty, like, well how.

2303
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 1: Many years out do you have to? Go then if

2304
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:17,560
he's gonna give.

2305
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 2: Up probably million, bucks probably.

2306
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:22,520
Speaker 1: Four because what is his player option For it's like

2307
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:24,239
forty nine million or, something, right.

2308
01:50:24,319 --> 01:50:28,600
Speaker 2: Forty Nine, yeah so, yeah that's twenty down. Almost, Yeah,

2309
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:31,039
no that's not, huge there's no. Way, yeah you'd had

2310
01:50:31,079 --> 01:50:33,479
to give him four years even but if.

2311
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:38,239
Speaker 1: You're him four years and one hundred and, twenty you're getting.

2312
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 2: You're, Right, no that's not. Enough he's gonna have thirty

2313
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:42,680
five at. Least then all, Right, no so you know

2314
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:43,960
What i'm gonna, say the trading of a.

2315
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,359
Speaker 1: Guard, yeah that's, honestly that's that's the most. OPTIMISTIC i

2316
01:50:47,399 --> 01:50:49,239
think that's the place to leave. It that's super awesomeate

2317
01:50:49,359 --> 01:50:52,520
optimistic of. Us we're onto The San Antonio. Spurs you

2318
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,279
did you you didn't spoil, this but you talked about

2319
01:50:55,319 --> 01:50:58,199
this a little. Bit could Darn fox he's gonna be

2320
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:02,720
eligible for an? Extension could they ghost talks get interesting or?

2321
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,760
No because when they acquired, him they didn't know that

2322
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:09,880
they were going to have The Dylan harper. Pick so it's,

2323
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:11,600
like does do things get a little? Weird do you

2324
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:13,600
expect him to still sign an? Extension do you think

2325
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,199
it'll come in less than the? Max are you thinking, here.

2326
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 2: If lucas signs the, EXTENSION i Think Jaron fox signs the.

2327
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:22,920
Extension that's Where i'm. At but the thing, is what

2328
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:26,359
is the? Extension like what WOULD i go full max on?

2329
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,960
This absolutely, not absolutely. NOT i Loved Aron. FOX i

2330
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,800
would not go like full Boat max on this.

2331
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:37,640
Speaker 1: One so it's full boat max if the if they

2332
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:43,960
stay for the uh seven thirty, right like, yeah, both,

2333
01:51:44,079 --> 01:51:46,439
yeah it's a well the seven percent, increases it's like

2334
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,199
four years and two twenty two point.

2335
01:51:48,279 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 2: Four here's the. Thing The spurs are in such an

2336
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:59,640
adventageous position because we are going to see so many

2337
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:02,520
guys just, say, hey we want to get there because

2338
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:04,840
they know that that could be a path to a

2339
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:08,119
title and they could be part of something very very special.

2340
01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:11,239
There so that means that they have to look at

2341
01:52:11,239 --> 01:52:14,359
The Aaron fox and, go is this the best player

2342
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:17,800
we can? Get is this the best co star we

2343
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:25,560
realistically can? Get To wimby the answer there like it

2344
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:30,479
better be yes if you are extending, him because if you,

2345
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:34,079
are that's your, core that is your like running mate for.

2346
01:52:34,279 --> 01:52:39,039
Him so you have to be sure that there aren't more,

2347
01:52:39,159 --> 01:52:43,640
exciting better obviously options out there before you. Do so

2348
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,039
don't pull the trick unless you're.

2349
01:52:45,039 --> 01:52:48,199
Speaker 1: Sure what do you think is like a number that

2350
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:50,199
you'd be comfortable? Doing AND i throw The lucas stuff

2351
01:52:50,199 --> 01:52:50,439
out of the.

2352
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 2: Equation oh, okay we've just throw The lucas stuff. Out

2353
01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:58,359
what is the right? Number that's a really good, question.

2354
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:00,359
Speaker 1: Like does four? For so you don't want to give

2355
01:53:00,399 --> 01:53:01,520
him the max is four for two.

2356
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:06,159
Speaker 2: Hundred, yeah so what that that's fifty eight?

2357
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 1: Year, yeah, yeah fifty eight year by the, WAY i

2358
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:14,840
think he, Is, ah that's a. Lot he's been extension

2359
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:17,640
eligible for a. While he can sign one Through october, twentieth,

2360
01:53:18,279 --> 01:53:21,399
Apparently so the fact that we haven't seen one might

2361
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:23,760
be a little, interesting right that might that actually lends

2362
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:26,159
merit to WHAT i thought was a batshit Crazy, luca

2363
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,119
BECAUSE i just feel like the spurs don't operate on that.

2364
01:53:29,239 --> 01:53:34,119
Wavelength maybe, not BUT i, mean, well, no just some

2365
01:53:34,319 --> 01:53:37,079
credence has just been lent to your to your hair brain.

2366
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:39,159
Theory apparently it wasn't so hair. Brained look at. You

2367
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:42,880
so you don't like four for two, HUNDRED i.

2368
01:53:43,039 --> 01:53:46,079
Speaker 2: Don't and the thing, IS i actually Like Jaron fox

2369
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:48,640
a great, deal but that lack of a jump, shot

2370
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:51,439
or while not a jump, shot he's got a, jumper

2371
01:53:52,279 --> 01:53:54,319
the three point, shots specifically.

2372
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:57,079
Speaker 1: The waxing and waning of, it for, sure exactly.

2373
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,600
Speaker 2: It concerns the shit out of, me especially you want

2374
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:02,199
to if you want to optimize that parent between him And.

2375
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:04,800
Wemby that just makes me nervous as.

2376
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 1: Hell so why does it concern you When wemby is

2377
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,199
already such a good shoot You, no he's a.

2378
01:54:10,279 --> 01:54:14,239
Speaker 2: Spacer BUT i, want, like If i'm The, SPURS i

2379
01:54:14,359 --> 01:54:17,039
want to make sure THAT i have someone who is

2380
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:21,319
very reliable as an outside shooter who's also a ball.

2381
01:54:21,359 --> 01:54:25,479
Handler and Considering Stefan castle right now is one of

2382
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:29,840
the worst contested three point shooters in the. League Dylan

2383
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:33,399
harper is a major question mark as a, shooter and

2384
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,039
Then fox as, well where he's had like what one

2385
01:54:36,199 --> 01:54:39,479
good year which seems like an outlier year from three

2386
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:43,199
and then everything else has been sort of. PEDESTRIAN i

2387
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:47,000
just don't feel great about. That, LIKE i want to

2388
01:54:47,079 --> 01:54:50,239
make sure that If i'm The spurs And i'm, Leaving

2389
01:54:50,279 --> 01:54:52,399
i'm putting my chips into The wemby, bag you, know

2390
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:55,880
OBVIOUSLY i want to make sure that everything around him

2391
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:59,279
is as is as optimized as humanly. Possible is that

2392
01:54:59,439 --> 01:55:03,520
the case With? Fox? There if you're paying him fifty

2393
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:07,479
million a, YEAR i don't love, It, DAN i don't so.

2394
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:10,760
Speaker 1: This as someone who's always counted themselves as higher On

2395
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:13,880
fox's jump shot than the. Consensus this backs up your.

2396
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:16,800
Point so over the past four, seasons here's Where fox

2397
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:20,479
is ranked in catch and shoot three point percentage and

2398
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,760
then pull up three point percentage twenty twenty, two the

2399
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:27,319
fifty eighth percentile in catch and, shoot the first percentile

2400
01:55:27,359 --> 01:55:30,840
and pull up threes in twenty twenty, three forty seventh

2401
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:34,439
percentile in catch and shoot, threes the second percentile in

2402
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:37,760
pull up threes in twenty twenty, four that vaunted season you,

2403
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:41,479
referenced the seventy second percentile in catch and shoot, threes

2404
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,760
the eighty seventh percentile in pull up threes last, year

2405
01:55:46,039 --> 01:55:48,760
the thirty fifth percentile in catch and shoot, threes and

2406
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:52,560
the fourteenth percentile in peru. Threes so there's a lot

2407
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:54,960
Of i'm supporting your. Point there's a lot of truth

2408
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:56,279
to what you're. Saying AND i say that as someone

2409
01:55:56,319 --> 01:55:59,159
who thinks that the pull up two and the step

2410
01:55:59,279 --> 01:56:02,399
back three From Diaron, Fox i'll forever, trust maybe for

2411
01:56:02,479 --> 01:56:05,640
some irrational, reason but you are correct that twenty twenty

2412
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:07,279
four was a major outlier for.

2413
01:56:07,399 --> 01:56:10,159
Speaker 2: Him it, was and it's something that bothers me because it's,

2414
01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:13,800
like you, know people have this tendency to like see

2415
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,560
a guy who has this sort of a breakout season

2416
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:18,920
and then, go, oh that's the new. Norm, automatically and

2417
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:21,239
then they expect that to be, consistent and then when

2418
01:56:21,279 --> 01:56:25,239
he like regresses to the, means people are, like, oh,

2419
01:56:25,399 --> 01:56:29,920
well well he'll bounce back again from what honestly like

2420
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:33,039
that that wasn't a bounce back. Thing that was just

2421
01:56:33,159 --> 01:56:37,560
him returning to. Norm SO i, Look i'm not going

2422
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:40,640
to sit here and say that The fox should be

2423
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:44,119
on the Fun max, like that's not What i'm, saying but, like,

2424
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:48,640
oh IT'S i would much prefer it over you, know

2425
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:51,520
a thirty. Percenter and again with the second, Day, like

2426
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:53,800
eventually this team is going to be. Expensive it's going

2427
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:58,399
to be very. Expensive and if he's earning fifty million

2428
01:56:58,439 --> 01:57:01,199
a year and can't freaking pull up with them three

2429
01:57:01,239 --> 01:57:05,359
at any reasonable, rate THEN i think it's perfectly reasonable

2430
01:57:05,439 --> 01:57:07,039
to say that that could be a bad.

2431
01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:10,600
Speaker 1: Contract i'm wondering if it ends up being, shorter then you,

2432
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:12,039
know we're talking a lot about the price. Point i'm

2433
01:57:12,039 --> 01:57:13,399
wondering if this ends up being like a two plus

2434
01:57:13,479 --> 01:57:18,000
one or. Something, right if he doesn't get an, extension

2435
01:57:18,039 --> 01:57:20,319
by the, way that's going to be like a five,

2436
01:57:20,399 --> 01:57:24,119
alarm five alarm fire for the speculation, factory right, Right,

2437
01:57:25,279 --> 01:57:29,960
yeah our final team in The Western. Conference The Utah

2438
01:57:30,039 --> 01:57:34,760
jazz our one rule breaker to extend or not to

2439
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:37,560
Extend Walker Kessler. More this is a ROOKIE extensi where

2440
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:39,600
don't want to talk About larry marketing trades anymore that

2441
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,279
it doesn't move. Me SO i don't think that's a

2442
01:57:41,319 --> 01:57:43,520
piece of business they need to figure. Out but that's

2443
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:44,319
why we're going this.

2444
01:57:44,439 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 2: Direction so you're asking me if he should be. Extended

2445
01:57:49,319 --> 01:57:51,520
Can i'll answer my own question if you don't mind, Raid,

2446
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:52,359
YES i would love.

2447
01:57:52,439 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 1: That YET i think they absolutely should extend. HIM i

2448
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:58,319
think that he's kind of in that tier of players

2449
01:57:58,359 --> 01:58:00,359
where you always see these trade packages for, him And

2450
01:58:00,359 --> 01:58:02,520
i'm Sure i've maybe even proposed some of them WHERE

2451
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:05,600
i just don't think they effectively align with the value

2452
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:08,159
he provides as a rim. Protector AND i think there's

2453
01:58:08,199 --> 01:58:10,439
a lot Of, okay look at what he doesn't do on,

2454
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:13,600
offense he's not the most switchable. Big last, Year, more

2455
01:58:14,319 --> 01:58:16,920
he ranked in the ninetieth percentile or better OF rim

2456
01:58:17,039 --> 01:58:20,920
contest per seventy five, possessions rim points saved per seventy five,

2457
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:25,079
possessions and shooting percentage allowed at the rim versus. Expected

2458
01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:27,800
It's i'm, sorry that was each of the past three

2459
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:31,000
seasons the ninetieth percentile or. Better that's all per B Ball.

2460
01:58:31,039 --> 01:58:33,680
Index do you know who else has done that over

2461
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:36,079
that span while logging at least one thousand minutes in each?

2462
01:58:36,119 --> 01:58:40,960
Season tell me absolutely. Nobody So i'm not saying he's

2463
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,399
the game's best rim, protector BUT i do think that

2464
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,479
he is when it comes to being a conventional rim,

2465
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:51,640
protector like. Transformative and so If i'm The jazz and

2466
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:53,600
like the leverage that it seems like teams have with

2467
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:57,319
bigs and extension, talks maybe you're worried about a jail

2468
01:58:57,359 --> 01:58:59,920
AND duran extension coming through for way more but, More

2469
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,640
Mark williams hasn't gotten an extension. Yet if you're looking

2470
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:05,720
at like if he'll Take Yakob pertle, money but that

2471
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:08,720
should just be like done, me like twenty to twenty

2472
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:11,760
four million a, year like or Even Nicholas claxton, money,

2473
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:13,840
Right like aren't you just pouncing on.

2474
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:16,760
Speaker 2: That if you're, utah, yeah immediately, yes.

2475
01:59:17,239 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i don't. Understand maybe YOU'RE i guess what you're.

2476
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:22,439
Betting maybe you're trying to keep him trade. Eligible if

2477
01:59:22,479 --> 01:59:24,159
you don't extend, him he still would be able to be.

2478
01:59:24,199 --> 01:59:26,279
Traded but we know how the poison pill provision. WORKS

2479
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:29,520
i just as someone who's on his rookie scale, SALARY

2480
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:31,439
i don't know what type of value he's going to

2481
01:59:31,479 --> 01:59:34,079
bring back unless you're including you have that huge trade.

2482
01:59:34,119 --> 01:59:37,039
EXCEPTION i. KNOW i just think that that's overthinking, it

2483
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:39,239
AND i would argue that he just might be more

2484
01:59:39,319 --> 01:59:41,520
valuable on his next contract if you're looking to move

2485
01:59:41,560 --> 01:59:44,399
him next offseason at a larger price point and not

2486
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:47,520
have to go through the rigamarole of the base year

2487
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:50,039
compensation if it's a sign in. Trade SO i don't

2488
01:59:50,039 --> 01:59:51,520
think they should play any, games AND i think they

2489
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:53,279
should just extend. Him there's, also by the, WAY i

2490
01:59:53,279 --> 01:59:55,319
should have mentioned this at the, top he might just

2491
01:59:55,399 --> 01:59:56,439
be a core piece of their.

2492
01:59:56,520 --> 02:00:02,159
Speaker 2: Team yeah. RIGHT i don't have a lot to add to,

2493
02:00:02,279 --> 02:00:07,079
that because, YEAH i totally. Agree what is The SO

2494
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:12,359
i guess my question is what is your walkaway? Price if?

2495
02:00:12,399 --> 02:00:16,119
Speaker 1: Anything, so If i'm The jazz and that we know

2496
02:00:16,199 --> 02:00:18,439
how restricted free agency has worked for like the past

2497
02:00:18,479 --> 02:00:20,079
half decade or, so where doesn't feel like there's a

2498
02:00:20,079 --> 02:00:23,119
lot of offer. Sheets IF i get over the twenty

2499
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:27,359
five million dollar, Marker i'm probably, Like, okay let's we're

2500
02:00:27,399 --> 02:00:29,159
trying to get something out of. This is it more

2501
02:00:29,199 --> 02:00:31,560
of a team freendly? Deal and so if he wants

2502
02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:34,399
more Than Nick claxton, got which would then he get

2503
02:00:34,399 --> 02:00:36,279
like four for one hundred when he signed, It, Yeah

2504
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:38,920
i'm probably like you could probably still talk me into

2505
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,880
if he wanted like start at twenty five million and

2506
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:43,640
then go up to twenty six and twenty. Seven, like

2507
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:46,720
you could probably talk me into like four for one

2508
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:49,279
oh nine or, something or maybe five for one twenty

2509
02:00:49,359 --> 02:00:52,640
five or something around. There excuse, me five for one point.

2510
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:56,560
Thirty but my walkaway number is probably a lot higher

2511
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:58,039
than some other people's would. Be i'll say that.

2512
02:00:58,159 --> 02:01:02,479
Speaker 2: MUCH i think you're. RIGHT i think a lot of

2513
02:01:02,479 --> 02:01:05,039
people thinking about the center spot these days and, going, oh,

2514
02:01:05,119 --> 02:01:07,680
well you can just sign them and it's not a big. Deal,

2515
02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:09,479
well not this type of, player like the.

2516
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:12,439
Speaker 1: Truly To charlotte And boston right, now.

2517
02:01:12,399 --> 02:01:18,720
Speaker 2: Right, exactly like the truly impactful defensive centers who have legit,

2518
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:22,319
size who aren't you, know playing with heart and, hustle

2519
02:01:22,359 --> 02:01:25,159
who are like six' nine and do they do very

2520
02:01:25,279 --> 02:01:29,119
very well that that that, Height level like this is

2521
02:01:29,279 --> 02:01:32,880
this is someone with, real size, real skill real influence

2522
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:36,359
where you don't have to like, feel, like oh he

2523
02:01:36,479 --> 02:01:38,439
has to compensate for a lack of size. Or whatever

2524
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,920
like this guy. Is huge this guy's absolutely. Freaking huge

2525
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:47,039
he is, so agile, he's movable. He's flexible he'll. Block

2526
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:50,640
shots he'll he'll actually block a ton. Of them he'll.

2527
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:54,720
Grab rebounds he's the best offensive rebounder in. The league

2528
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:58,720
he'll hit, on putbacks he'll, get lobs like, you know

2529
02:01:59,079 --> 02:02:01,760
if he gets just one or two moves in the

2530
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:04,319
post or a counter or a bit of. A midy.

2531
02:02:06,479 --> 02:02:09,119
I'm there and he's only. Twenty four he just turned,

2532
02:02:09,159 --> 02:02:11,720
twenty four like four. Days, ago like this guy is

2533
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:16,359
not even close to done. To, Develop yeah i'm. Paying him.

2534
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:20,039
Speaker 1: He's like he's kind Of Like miles turner in a

2535
02:02:20,079 --> 02:02:23,039
way right where it feels like he's, so valuable but

2536
02:02:23,119 --> 02:02:25,199
then the trade offers never seem to match up with

2537
02:02:25,279 --> 02:02:27,239
how valuable, He, is, like oh could we get him

2538
02:02:27,279 --> 02:02:30,079
for like a top twenty protective first round pick. Or something,

2539
02:02:30,079 --> 02:02:31,399
and apparently if You're, the bucks you just need to

2540
02:02:31,439 --> 02:02:32,920
wave And Stretch damian lillard And Get.

2541
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:35,800
Speaker 2: Miles turner But Unlike. Myles turner he can actually rebound.

2542
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:39,199
Speaker 1: Though cruel can? He shoot he did try to shoot

2543
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:42,000
threes When the jets were like full, on tanking probably

2544
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:44,359
based off the direction that they're headed in, THIS year

2545
02:02:44,359 --> 02:02:45,640
i think he's gonna be taking some more.

2546
02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:50,399
Speaker 2: Threes perhaps look if he becomes just moderately good for three,

2547
02:02:50,479 --> 02:02:52,760
point shooter like just you know forty, three.

2548
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:55,800
Speaker 1: Percent Ate nate duncan calls it a. Party trick if

2549
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:57,520
he has like a party trick, three pointer Like A

2550
02:02:57,600 --> 02:02:59,960
jonus fountain junis, type three like it doesn't need to

2551
02:03:00,279 --> 02:03:02,239
If It's, brook lopez then forget. About it how Many

2552
02:03:02,359 --> 02:03:03,960
Like all? Star games is this guy? Making?

2553
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:07,720
Speaker 2: Right EXACTLY am i wrong for SAYING that i Like

2554
02:03:08,760 --> 02:03:14,000
Like walker kessler More Than Jared. Jackson jr are?

2555
02:03:14,039 --> 02:03:18,359
Speaker 1: You? Wrong no but we're talking on their. Current, contracts

2556
02:03:18,479 --> 02:03:22,600
no But Like Jared jackson junior is. More dynamic he, has, like.

2557
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:26,640
Speaker 2: Yes a score. Or that but but we were Talking

2558
02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:29,760
About walker kessler twenty four to twenty, Five million like

2559
02:03:31,079 --> 02:03:36,079
we agree that that's like from a, value perspective and

2560
02:03:36,279 --> 02:03:39,560
like what what what is What is jaron making? Right

2561
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:39,880
now it's?

2562
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:43,000
Speaker 1: At, fifty no he's not. At fifty he's gonna be.

2563
02:03:43,479 --> 02:03:46,279
Speaker 2: Oh thirty, five, right sorry, all, right okay then it's not.

2564
02:03:46,359 --> 02:03:49,159
Acid creaches i'm gonna withdraw, my, Question.

2565
02:03:49,159 --> 02:03:52,600
Speaker 1: Right So, jared Jackson If. Jared jacksonr is making Double

2566
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:54,920
When walker kessler makes those, next deal, then yeah it's

2567
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:59,119
probably a, Conversation maybe, but uh THIS is i think

2568
02:03:59,159 --> 02:04:01,199
this is one that people might, overthink THOUGH and, i,

2569
02:04:01,319 --> 02:04:03,640
understand like would you give him as Much As jared

2570
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:05,920
allen got is his extension With. The cavs wasn't that

2571
02:04:05,960 --> 02:04:08,800
basically ended up being three for what ninety or whatever?

2572
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:11,920
It was or is that? Too Hot Because jared allen

2573
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:15,640
does like there's definitely more, switchability there he has more

2574
02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:18,319
scoring chops. For sure that's probably a, Little rich but

2575
02:04:18,399 --> 02:04:20,680
that might Be If I'm walker kester and his agent

2576
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:22,520
AND like i know my room, PROTECTION numbers i might

2577
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:26,279
be looking. At, That Yeah So jared awllen was three

2578
02:04:26,319 --> 02:04:27,720
for ninety About, AROUND.

2579
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean it's beginning to reach that point where, you're, like,

2580
02:04:31,880 --> 02:04:34,199
oh okay we need, more offense and like you alluded,

2581
02:04:34,279 --> 02:04:37,880
to it if we see any type of like real

2582
02:04:38,239 --> 02:04:42,479
offensive Development From walker kestler, this season just in terms

2583
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:45,800
of like again having a legitimate, post game or having

2584
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:49,720
a reliable like long two and the occasional, three pointer

2585
02:04:50,479 --> 02:04:53,279
and or if he just starts hitting like seventy percent

2586
02:04:53,319 --> 02:04:55,760
of his, foul shots and that seems like. It's sustainable

2587
02:04:56,239 --> 02:05:00,319
if we're seeing just some level of offensive improf that

2588
02:05:00,399 --> 02:05:03,079
seems to. Be sustainable his price tag is like just

2589
02:05:03,159 --> 02:05:04,079
gonna jump jump jump.

2590
02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:06,239
Speaker 1: Jump, jump well do you think when it comes to

2591
02:05:06,279 --> 02:05:09,680
restricted free agents specifically and knowing what his best case outcome,

2592
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:12,640
might be do you see a team coming in with

2593
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:16,359
an offer sheet next year that would be like Make

2594
02:05:16,439 --> 02:05:19,119
the jazz a little skittish, or anything just because that

2595
02:05:19,159 --> 02:05:22,680
WOULD be i think that's The conversation utah will have

2596
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:25,039
behind closed, Doors, is yeah we really, like him we

2597
02:05:25,079 --> 02:05:26,600
would pay him a bunch, of money but we're not

2598
02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:28,680
scared of someone coming in and giving him an offer

2599
02:05:28,720 --> 02:05:31,640
sheet for a bunch of money just, BECAUSE one rfa

2600
02:05:31,680 --> 02:05:34,079
doesn't seem to work that, way anymore and two when

2601
02:05:34,119 --> 02:05:37,119
it does work, that way like who's the last big

2602
02:05:37,239 --> 02:05:40,960
man that got like this massive offer sheet and restricted?

2603
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:45,239
Speaker 2: Free, agency well first, and foremost let's identify the players

2604
02:05:45,279 --> 02:05:47,960
currently ON the rfa markets where we keep. Talking, About

2605
02:05:48,079 --> 02:05:53,479
right So It's Josh Gitty, cameron Thomas It's jonathan Kuminga And.

2606
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:55,640
Quentin crimes those are the four people that we're. Talking

2607
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:57,279
About Like josh kitty.

2608
02:05:57,159 --> 02:05:59,319
Speaker 1: Just signed for five years and one hundred and, Thirty

2609
02:05:59,399 --> 02:06:02,039
million like, Right now i'm. JUST kidding i wanted to.

2610
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:05,119
Speaker 2: SEE if i thought, it's one, am man don't mess.

2611
02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:09,079
WITH me i, was, like what, all right you got

2612
02:06:09,119 --> 02:06:13,199
me on. That, one actually See now i've forgot. My

2613
02:06:13,279 --> 02:06:13,760
point god.

2614
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:16,800
Speaker 1: Damn it you were going through the list, of, RFAs, yeah.

2615
02:06:16,720 --> 02:06:20,039
Speaker 2: Right, Right right so all of them have major question

2616
02:06:20,159 --> 02:06:24,279
marks in regards to their to, their, influence right you

2617
02:06:24,399 --> 02:06:27,479
cannot have a question Mark About walker kesler's. Defensive influence

2618
02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:31,600
so like there would be teams out there who immediately

2619
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:35,039
Would Identify walker kestler as someone who can add a

2620
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:38,880
significant portion of wins to, their total, whereas, like oh

2621
02:06:39,039 --> 02:06:41,439
let's go out And Sign. Josh skiddy is your wins

2622
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,279
total moving in the right direction if you? Sign him

2623
02:06:44,319 --> 02:06:46,159
or is this going the? Other way that's a legitimate

2624
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:50,079
question to Say that kuminga does he move the needle

2625
02:06:50,359 --> 02:06:52,560
at that point yet or is he a couple of

2626
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:56,119
years away from? Doing That, cam thomas what kind of

2627
02:06:56,239 --> 02:06:58,880
role are you looking at, for him like what? Is,

2628
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:00,720
that like is he going to you're? Starting too do

2629
02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:02,359
you want to miss your? Sixth man god forbid to

2630
02:07:02,479 --> 02:07:06,800
just propose that he's gonna come after? Me now but Like,

2631
02:07:07,399 --> 02:07:11,640
with kesser those questions. Aren't there, you know, the impact

2632
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:14,920
you know he's gonna like help you turn into what

2633
02:07:15,119 --> 02:07:19,039
a add worst what top? Twelve defense probably.

2634
02:07:20,159 --> 02:07:21,840
Speaker 1: JUST why i think people would point to and Say

2635
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:23,960
the jazz were not a top, twelve defense.

2636
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:26,399
Speaker 2: All right but what they were, also young they were trying.

2637
02:07:26,479 --> 02:07:29,359
To lose i'm talking about a team that was actually

2638
02:07:29,439 --> 02:07:31,880
trying to like, be competitive like sign him as, an

2639
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:36,359
asset Right the jazz themselves like they were not trying

2640
02:07:36,399 --> 02:07:39,680
to be a serious basketball team. Last season are?

2641
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:40,279
Speaker 1: YOU sure.

2642
02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:44,920
Speaker 2: I feel pretty sure. About, that yeah just a, LITTLE

2643
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:45,600
bit a.

2644
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:48,359
Speaker 1: Little, bit no that's a that's a very. FAIR point

2645
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:50,039
I think i would also. BE curious i don't even

2646
02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:51,840
know what they ended up being defensively with him on,

2647
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:53,520
the court because they had the what were they twenty

2648
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:57,119
NINTH in uh defensive efficiency last year And.

2649
02:07:57,119 --> 02:07:59,960
Speaker 2: With walker carti they actually Had the leak's Worst DEFEN

2650
02:08:00,279 --> 02:08:02,319
but i don't think That. WAS kesler, i MEAN obviously

2651
02:08:02,680 --> 02:08:03,079
i think.

2652
02:08:02,920 --> 02:08:05,399
Speaker 1: That was kesler's fault and he should get five dollars. A,

2653
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:08,199
year no they were in the twenty fifth, percent tile or,

2654
02:08:08,239 --> 02:08:10,000
excuse me they were in the eighteen percent tile with

2655
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:12,560
him on, the FLOOR which, i mean you gotta look

2656
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:14,119
at some of the lifts he, Was pulling Like If

2657
02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:18,000
lowry marketing's at The Four cody williams Was, Playing, sexton yeah,

2658
02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:20,800
yoh yeah some rough lineups he was in man Him.

2659
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:23,319
AND hendricks i think they could be a pretty formidable. Front,

2660
02:08:23,319 --> 02:08:25,279
court well too far afield, on that BUT so i

2661
02:08:25,359 --> 02:08:27,520
get your. POINT there i guess it really comes, down

2662
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:29,359
to like some of the teams that could technically have

2663
02:08:29,560 --> 02:08:32,920
cap space, Next, year like would they be teams that

2664
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:37,560
are gonna be in the market for A big brooklyn

2665
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:40,640
if they have? Cap space. Probably not chicago could be

2666
02:08:41,119 --> 02:08:44,920
they might be a cap. Space team who else? IS there,

2667
02:08:45,399 --> 02:08:47,079
i Mean the clippers could be a cap. Space team

2668
02:08:47,119 --> 02:08:50,319
they're not gonna need. A Center the lakers could technically need.

2669
02:08:50,359 --> 02:08:55,199
A Center DeAndre ayton's like that's a one. Plus, one uh.

2670
02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:57,560
Speaker 2: Talk to me About. The pistons what are we looking at?

2671
02:08:57,640 --> 02:09:01,720
Speaker 1: Next Year The PISTON so i guess that a lot

2672
02:09:01,800 --> 02:09:03,960
if you're not Gonna, Keep jalen Duran or Jay and

2673
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:05,760
ivy on. The books looking at their, cap holes they

2674
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:07,800
could technically be A cap, SPACE team i. Would, assume,

2675
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:12,199
so yeah they're looking at well they're negative, eight team

2676
02:09:12,199 --> 02:09:14,359
but with those, cap holds so they have oh There's

2677
02:09:14,359 --> 02:09:16,960
The duncan robinson moneies on that as those only.

2678
02:09:17,680 --> 02:09:19,720
Speaker 2: For two million. Next, year, yeah.

2679
02:09:22,039 --> 02:09:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah and Jay and ivy has a thirty million dollar

2680
02:09:24,119 --> 02:09:27,039
cap Hold and duran Has a i'm assuming if You're,

2681
02:09:27,079 --> 02:09:30,079
Getting kessler duran's, Not there so they have fifty million

2682
02:09:30,119 --> 02:09:31,920
dollars tied up in cap Holes for Durna. And, ivy

2683
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:33,760
yeah they could be A cap space team, for sure.

2684
02:09:33,600 --> 02:09:37,119
Speaker 2: ALL right i mean that that's the scene, for him, If, anything.

2685
02:09:39,319 --> 02:09:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah that'd be. PRETTY scary i Think like duran's shown

2686
02:09:42,439 --> 02:09:44,680
more as a passer, for sure maybe in space. As,

2687
02:09:44,720 --> 02:09:48,359
well yeah that would. BE. MAN. J jb bickerstaff would.

2688
02:09:48,439 --> 02:09:51,479
Love him. M, Hmm yeah.

2689
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:54,159
Speaker 2: I'M not I love duran by. THE way I, love

2690
02:09:54,279 --> 02:09:57,439
durant but like he's still what. HE'S six i would

2691
02:09:57,560 --> 02:10:01,399
kill to have, his debts that's, for sure but he's,

2692
02:10:01,479 --> 02:10:06,199
shorter defensively he's definitely not as Advanced as kessler by,

2693
02:10:06,319 --> 02:10:08,960
any stretch at least. NOT yet i don't think he'll

2694
02:10:09,039 --> 02:10:13,119
ever be offensive potential. Significantly higher i'll give. Him that,

2695
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,479
why now that's a Pretty Easy walker.

2696
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:18,800
Speaker 1: Kessler advantage and, to, ME look i think it kind

2697
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:20,359
of singles out. To hi is it only takes one

2698
02:10:20,439 --> 02:10:22,680
team to just come in, and, say like that's, our

2699
02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:25,359
guy and like If the lakers have calvespace And the

2700
02:10:25,399 --> 02:10:27,520
pistons could, have calfspace like that's probably enough of an.

2701
02:10:27,560 --> 02:10:31,119
Existential threat And, even Chicago, like Chicago who's chicago's big

2702
02:10:31,159 --> 02:10:33,680
man in, The future maybe They'll. Extend vouch maybe that's what.

2703
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:38,119
Speaker 2: They'll do? Why, Not, RIGHT well i could come with.

2704
02:10:38,119 --> 02:10:39,680
Speaker 1: A bunch of reasons for, why not But the bulls

2705
02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:41,199
could probably come up with a bunch of Reasons.

2706
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:42,800
Speaker 2: Why, yeah yeah no.

2707
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:44,800
Speaker 1: For sure so do you think to wrap, this up

2708
02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:46,880
do you think They Extend? WALKER kessler.

2709
02:10:48,119 --> 02:10:50,279
Speaker 2: I, Hope so, BUT no i don't think.

2710
02:10:50,319 --> 02:10:53,359
Speaker 1: THEY will i think they're, going TO and i think

2711
02:10:53,399 --> 02:10:55,079
it'll be for twenty plus million.

2712
02:10:55,399 --> 02:10:56,680
Speaker 2: A year i hope. You're right.

2713
02:10:58,399 --> 02:11:00,960
Speaker 1: Moret this was fun and we said five minutes per team.

2714
02:11:01,039 --> 02:11:02,920
WE average i don't even know what the what it

2715
02:11:03,039 --> 02:11:04,960
ended up being but two hours and ten, minutes later

2716
02:11:05,079 --> 02:11:06,680
the live stream. Was fun we'll be back With the

2717
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:10,159
east at. Some point can you just tell our, fine, listeners,

2718
02:11:10,199 --> 02:11:13,680
watchers subscribers haters where they can find you and all

2719
02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:14,560
the fantastic work that.

2720
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:17,520
Speaker 2: You, do well thank you. So much you can find

2721
02:11:17,560 --> 02:11:19,359
my work Over At, yahoo sports you can find It,

2722
02:11:19,439 --> 02:11:22,199
at forbes you can find it AT the nba podcast

2723
02:11:22,399 --> 02:11:24,960
and if You speak danish and also listen to The

2724
02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:26,279
Podcast busser.

2725
02:11:26,039 --> 02:11:27,000
Speaker 1: Beat and.

2726
02:11:29,399 --> 02:11:32,039
Speaker 2: Oh only fans, Of, course yes HOW could i? Start out,

2727
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:34,880
that's right that's my primary. Income, source yes HOW could?

2728
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:35,640
I forget.

2729
02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:40,319
Speaker 1: Until? Next time and, as always we moved a shout

2730
02:11:40,319 --> 02:11:43,119
out to, the one, the only, be indelible the one

2731
02:11:43,119 --> 02:11:45,560
who could fix every single team's problem and should be on,

2732
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:47,560
their Radar mister frank