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without any further ado, let's bring on tonight's guest. Tonight's

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guest is Lisa. Lisa, thanks so much for coming.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Beck, thank you for inviting me. And I'm actually

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super stoked hear about your podcast because I'm a super

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true stories, it's all fictional stories. But yeah, I'm looking

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forward to getting us off the ground. It's been a

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you imagine all the work that went into creating sixteen

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stories that are accurate about dog Men. And yeah, yeah,

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it's been a labor of love. I've enjoyed it, but

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it is a lot of work. But we're not here

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to talk about that. We're here to talk about you

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and your experiences. Before we do that, though, please give

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us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I have just recently retired after thirty eight

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years in various different ministries. I've been a pastor most

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of those, and in that I've had a lot of

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different experiences. But I didn't come from a Christian background.

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Actually came from a very different kind of background and

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very damaged background. But I've traveled a fair bit, not

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because I like traveling, just because I've just my life

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has been one big long adventure which I'm super super love,

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which even being on here VIC is another step, another adventure.

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So I'm kind of in a new phase in my life.

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I'm a Canadian and I hope you can understand my accent,

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and yeah, I just travel around assisting pastors right now

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at the moment.

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Speaker 2: If anyone listening to tonight's show starts to wonder if

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Lisa is half as nice as she seems, yeah, she

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definitely is. I mean, you can't talk with her for

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any period of time with being struck by that. She's

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as nice as they come. She really is. Well, thank you,

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you're welcome. Yeah, they don't come any nicer, Lisa. From

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the way you described your earlier years, it sounds like

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you being a pastor, that wouldn't be something that you

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ever expected to do. Did you encounter that we're going

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to talk about that you had when you were in

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your bedroom that night with that dog man? Is that

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one of the things that steered you towards your religion?

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came after my decision to become a Christian. And right

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after that, boy, I got nailed with every kind of

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spiritual every kind of spiritual thing to try and I

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guess change my mind, or discourage me or scare me,

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because previous to that, I didn't have any of those

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kind of things. There was a lot of spiritism in

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my life, and I just didn't think much of it.

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until until I had given my life to God and

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became a Christian. And then everything took a nasty turn,

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out to be a little bit more dangerous. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, Toledo steel blades, it's not like they go through

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the fire one time. Sounds like you went through the

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fire several times, but like a Toledo steel blade, it

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just made you that much better and that much stronger.

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Speaker 1: So it's funny you say that, because I think it's been.

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My life story is pretty rough actually overall, I mean

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a little tough, but a verse that God gave me

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right when I first became a Christian was what right

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does the potter have to say to the Clay have

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to say to the potter? What are you doing with me?

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verse because I think I've said that a million times?

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What are you doing with me? Am I not ready? Do?

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I have a lot of pride? I must.

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the way you think. From what I understand, Lisa, you

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suffered from sleep paralysis for years. Do you still suffer

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it definitely wasn't any fun. I can't even imagine having

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it as a recurring problem. That wouldn't be good at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And it makes you feel powerless, but that's

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kind of where the story goes. It kind of gave

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me my power back, believe it or not. A dog

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man encountered.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you know it's funny, Lisa. Some things happened

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in life and you just think, woe is me. It's

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the most horrible thing that could have happened. But down

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the road you look back and say, well, thank goodness

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that happened. So isn't life something.

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Speaker 1: Else it is? It's never boring, No.

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Speaker 2: That it's not. You've suffered several spiritual attacks over the

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years as well. Can you think of anything you might

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have done to possibly cause those attacks to happen?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think at the beginning it was a response.

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same path anymore. Like I think they felt there was

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some dark spiritual stuff that was a part of my

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life and even historically part of my if you want

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to call it, bloodline that I stopped partnering with. And

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I think there was anger and there was some lashing

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out at that and then after that, you know, it

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was you know, as a pastor, there's at least I

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think there should be an element of spiritual warfare and

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what you do. So there was some times when I encountered,

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particular I've done some deliverance, and you know, there's some

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backlash to that, like maybe they felt they owned somebody

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and you help that person be free and they're angry.

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to make it sound like I'm not affected by it,

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because it is. I think I've mentioned to you too,

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like there are some fear that comes along with that,

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but I have learned over the years how to combat that,

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how to fight that, and how to win.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness for that. Yeah, I can only imagine

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having to deal with that for a long time. That

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wouldn't be good at all. Just we're clear. You have

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a lot of faith now, obviously, But did you have

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strong faith before you started to experience those spiritual attacks? No?

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Speaker 1: Actually, I mean I had sort of a I don't

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know how to frame it, but I mean since I

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was a kid, I think I had an awareness of God.

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I had I think maybe everybody does, and you know,

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I just didn't define what God was, and uh, my

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family was not a good example of a good family

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in many ways, and so there was a lot of struggles.

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I was very isolated. I tried to sort life out myself,

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and I did get involved. I think I mentioned before

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I did do Ouiji board and my mom was into

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spiritism but also going to church. So I kind of

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had a form of God, but I didn't really. I

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had a very profound encounter when God kind of encountered me.

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I wasn't really looking, but called me. And maybe that's

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the kind of calling it takes to become a pastor,

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never mind a female pastor. That's not something I ever

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wanted to do. But yeah, and then and then I

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have to tell you the truth. I rejected God when

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he first called me. I'm like, no, I'm not interested,

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kind of like my selfish life and I really wanted

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to do the things I wanted to do. And so

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that's when life got really rough. And then some years

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after that, I think I was about twenty twenty one,

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I was a single mom on welfare. All my dreams

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had kind of come to a crushing halt, and then

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I realized, you know what, the only thing that's going

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to get me out of this is God, and I

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turned my life for around, well, got to turn my

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life around. I submitted, and I said okay whatever, and

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so my life after that became quite the adventure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny how that works, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah,

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it definitely is. We spoke for a good time when

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we had that first conversation about your encounter. But I

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still don't have a beat on this when it comes

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to fear. How did your dog me in the encounter

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compared to the spiritual attacks you experienced? Of course, without

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giving any details of your dog mean encounter.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because I think that although the dog man encounter

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had a physicality to it, it responded spiritually. So I

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feel like going further, like there were times when there

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was I think I shared with you that time when

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you know, I was still still kind of figuring out

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where I stood on things, and I had done some

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self hypnosis and I'd seen like a literal three D

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metal sphere kind of floating in the room and I

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was just like, oh, like I said the name of Jesus,

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and it ooof went through the wall and disappeared. So

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physicality and spirituality somehow or tied. I can't. I don't

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pretend to understand this. But so therefore, when there were

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issues that were very spiritual and yet threatening physically, I

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felt that, you know that spiritual like I felt like

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I was spiritually armed to fight them better through the

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dog man encounter. It kind of showed me because that

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was the first encounter that I had that I really

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used God to save me from something. The name of

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Jesus and the belief in him, and.

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness, you did that too. Definitely, all right, list,

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so please tell us about your encounter. Now, give us

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every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Sure. First, I just wanted to give a shout out

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to Amy for sharing her story because I responded to

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you because she had told about her dog man story

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that was inside her home and I'm sorry for not

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remembering all the details. But at the end of that

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she said, I love it if people would respond if

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they've had a similar inside or indoor experience, and I thought, oh,

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I have had that, and so that's how I contacted you,

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so that I could share with you and just say, yeah,

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I've had something like that too. So this is what

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this time. I was a single mom, and so I'm

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staying in an apartment building too. I don't know if

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slipping in my bedroom, and I had had, like I said,

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some other previous attacks, some horrible nightmares and things like that,

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and this was another one of those moments where I

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was frozen and I was awake, so I could see

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the wall in front of me, and I'm like just

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woke up in fear, just dread, but immobilized. And so

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as I was frozen there, I could hear like so

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that carpeted room was a hallway to a doorway, and

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the hallway was linoleum, and the carpet started at my

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bedroom door. So I could hear footpads coming steps coming

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across my linoleum, and they were just slowly stepping, and

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like a foot pad with nails with like with claws

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or something like a what I thought was a dog.

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I'm like, why is there a dog in here? And

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why is it walking that way? And I again I

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couldn't turn my head, which if I had been able

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to turn to the left, I would have been able

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to see if the door was open, but I couldn't

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not move. But then as it came and I could

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feel it getting closer, like your senses just tingle as

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something like like when something predatorial is coming up on you.

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and so I could hear step step, and it wasn't

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too far to my bed, but I still couldn't turn

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my head. I couldn't even see out the corner of

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my eyes, but I could hear the heavy, slow panting

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like a dog like I could even sort of feel

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heat and breath coming towards me, and it was just

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breath and heat, and I was like, Oh my gosh,

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like something a wolf for some reason is in my

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house and it's coming to kill me, coming towards my head.

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going to be killed here. I don't know what's happening,

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like there's a deadly animal. And then that's at that

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moment when I felt prompted by God to just call

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out the name of Jesus. So I just I first try,

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I couldn't even get it out. I was just sort

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of barely it like Jesus. And then just my effort

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in my trying, the next time, I was able to

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just shout Jesus, like Lisa felt loud to me. I

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don't know, maybe it was pathetically weak, but I was alone,

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so and I instantly This was the thing that startled

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me was that I just heard an animal four legs

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turn around and the grip of like pads on the

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carpet run and I even heard the spinning like a

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dog heeling out on the on the linoleum, heading towards

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the door, and then of course just disappear. And I'm like,

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how in the world. So I sat up. Then I

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was able to move immediately. I didn't see anything, but

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I was able to look out the hallway and down

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the door and like, there's nothing there and the door

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is locked, the doors shut. How in the world could

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something come in and get here and do that and

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have such a like a visceral found feel everything. But

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the moment that I guess I heard it like peeling out,

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running so hard on my linoleum, that's the moment that

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something broke for me, because I began to like laugh.

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I'm sure it was a little bit of a nervous reaction,

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but I'm like, oh my gosh, like something so horrifying

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was so terrified at the name of Jesus that it

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like peeled out of my house to get to get out.

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And I think that was the moment that everything switched

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for me, and I began to realize that whatever I'm

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battling right now, and all the aspects of my life

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and all the different battles, that God is so far

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greater than the spirit of darkness that even his name

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caused this thing to run out of my house, out

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of my room. And so from then on then, yeah,

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I had battles. Yeah I had the fear. And yes,

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I've even smelt them smelt I shouldn't say them as

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in dog man, but entities and but and I think

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I mentioned to also Vic that that fear I don't

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believe comes to my only my thought, just my thought

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doesn't just come from us. But it's like part of them.

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So as they get close, we feel fear because it's

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like a lack of better word, an aura or something.

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Maybe they're experiencing all the time, considering they're fallen and

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in a bad state, that maybe they walk around in

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an atmosphere that that's the way they feel. But when

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they're gone, the fear is gone. So yeah, did I

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miss anything? Am I rambling on? Do you have questions?

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Speaker 2: No, you didn't ramble at all. That's all pertinent information.

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How much thought have you put into what would have

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happened to you if you wouldn't have called on Jesus

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to save you.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that any physical I don't know, because

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I actually do know people who have been physically harmed

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in situations like that, just a gash or a slash

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or something. But I think what could have happened is

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it could have marked me with a deeper level of

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insecurity and fear. I don't think it could have eaten me.

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I think that's what it liked me to think. You know,

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it's going to tear me apart or something. But I

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don't believe that that's that. I think that inciting fear

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is their biggest kick, and maybe I would have left

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a little bit marked with fear, afraid to sleep, afraid

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of what could get me afraid of the dark. But

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it didn't work that way for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness for that. One of the hot topics

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when it comes to dog men is this whole what

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are they question? How sure are you that what came

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into your bedroom that night wasn't some flesh and blood

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creature that was able to hop dimensions and that's how

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it gained entry into your house versus being a true

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supernatural being from Hell.

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Speaker 1: You know, A good question, Okay. I think, first of all,

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I don't think that any of these beings are in

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Hell yet, that's reserved for another time in the future.

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So I do believe they're cast into a different The

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Bible talks about it as the heavenly, so there's different realm,

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a realm above our realm, an invisible realm. I think

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it's possible that they can possess. As I've said before,

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I've seen people possessed and worked with them to set

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them free. I think that they want a body or

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something to inhabit in order to experience this world that

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they no longer can because they've lost their flesh and blood,

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but I think that they can take on forms. I

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won't say I'm an authority on that, but I've also

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seen them affect people. I've seen people shift their physicality

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even while praying for them. So I really don't know. Yeah,

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I think that they that you know, they Yeah, I

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don't know. So I think that they have the ability

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to have a physicality or in the appearance of a

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physicality to us. But they they, they definitely have more.

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We're more confined to the realm of the natural, or

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what we would call the physical. I think that God

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has kind of limited us to see all the things

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that like he talks about a veil over our eyes

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that pardon that were veiled in the sense that we're

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confined in our spiritual sight to what we see in

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this realm for a reason that God wants us to

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choose him and to walk with him. It's kind of

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like being in the garden of Eden and saying, here,

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this is the stuff that you can participate in, pardon,

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but just don't touch this one tree. And I think

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that we're curious about that tree, and many of us,

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and even I did kind of experienced, you know, going

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trying to pierce the veil or make a portal or

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have a look on the other side. But then when

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you do that, it gives it access back to you.

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Speaker 2: You're the perfect person to ask this next question. I'm

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asked this or not really asked this, but people share

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this opinion with me all the time. That's why i

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wanted to bring this up with you, because I'm far

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from qualified to answer this. You've got this group over

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here who they know about dog men, and they know

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at least something it would appear about religion. Well, if

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I had a nickel for every time someone told me

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that if dog men are demons, they can't be demons

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in other words, because you see them without them occupying

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a body. I've been told countless times that demons cannot manifest.

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They can possess a body that's here on earth and

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possess it, but they cannot just manifest. What would you

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say to any of the who knows how many people

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who have told me that, Well.

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Speaker 1: Boy, Vic, you're you're asking the deep questions, the one

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that has a lot to it. I think that we

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have a very narrow view if we think there's just demons,

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So there's also fallen angels and other creatures. And so

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I think that if you think just demons, which according

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to you know, some of the other books and writings

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that came along with the Dead Sea, which you know,

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the Book of Giants, the Book of Enoch and such

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and traditions of the Jewish understanding would be the spirits

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of those giants or nephelim, which are in the Bible,

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which David and Goliath. Many people know that story. Goliath

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was a nephelm, so it's a descendant of when the

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fun angels came and mixed with humans, which is in

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Genesis three and had offspring. And then Jude, a book

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in the Bible, also talks about how they they also

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and we don't know how, but genetically or some other

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way mixed animals and humans and other things. So I

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think we got some of these creatures. And then the

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Bible talks about the flood, which was intended to wipe

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out these kind of.

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Speaker 2: Like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a word that's not would sound

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bad to the young people, but corrupted, corrupted versions of humanity.

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And then that's why when Noah was put on the arc,

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on the arc, it was because he was pure in

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his generation. So here's the last family left that hasn't

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been corrupted, and so they wiped him off. But then,

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so we have a lot of things kind of in

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the in the ether or kind of out there that

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we're fighting and con and to know that. Okay, So

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if if these spirit beings can't take on physical form,

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then in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, we have

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angelic beings coming down and meeting with Abraham and having

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food with him, and the Angel of the Lord there,

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which is an early reference to an apparition or an

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appearing of Christ before he became took on human flesh.

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So they sat down and had a discussion and a

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meal before walking down into Sodom and Gomorrah and then

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having the humans there wanting to, you know, mix with them.

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So there's an illustration of angelic beings having human form.

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So yeah, I think they probably have more abilities and

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we do, Like I said, I think we're kind of confined.

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So could one of these fallen demonic creatures be able

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to take on a form or even take over an animal. Well,

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we know in the story when Jesus cast the demons

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out of the demoniac that it went into pigs, So

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I personally have had an experience. And we did deliverance

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over the house after there was a lot of evil

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stuff done at our house. That after casting out demons

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over the last shed that we did on our property,

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hundreds of coyak howled all around us all simultaneously. Like

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I was a bizarre experience. So yeah, I can't say

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I know everything, but I think Vick, that's a very

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good question to really think about.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are so many questions about these guys. Just

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makes your head's been. My opinion is, when we're talking

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about dog men, we're not talking about just one thing.

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I was spoken with, Yeah, thousands upon thousands of credible

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i wisitnesses, And when you do what I do for

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any period of time, it's only natural that you bounce

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back and forth from being convinced they must be flesh

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and blood creatures. They're just out there trying to scratch

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out a living, no pun intended, And then before you

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know it, you speak with so many credible eyewitnesses who

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report things to point soundly towards them being supernatural beings,

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because if they were flesh and blood creatures with no

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special abilities, how could they do this? How could they

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do that? And then there's a possibility that maybe they're

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aliens because there's so many credible eyewitnesses who have seen

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UFOs right after they have their encounter or right before

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the encounter. So I guess that's not the end of

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the classifications as possible that nowadays we have test tube

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dog men that were made in a government lab some place.

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I mean, it just makes your head spin the possibilities

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of what they could be. Are you open to the

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possibility that there's more than one kind of dog man

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like I just laid out, or do you think all

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dog men fit into that spiritual category?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I absolutely agree with you, Vic. I think there's

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lots of different things. So my encounter was spiritual that

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was able to manifest in a sort of a fleshy way.

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But the Bible also talks about a culmination of time

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that was called is called the Last Days, and it

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says it will be like the days of Noah. And

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in those days, if that's true that they were practiced

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practicing genetic abominations, then I think we're at that place again.

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I think that dog men aren't the only creatures they're

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possibly playing with. And I think that they're preparing for

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whatever they think would be another another battle, another another time.

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So yeah, I that there's possibly flesh and blood things.

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Those would scare me the most because, like I said, spiritually,

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I think we have the authority in Christ. But even though,

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like I have, I have had some run ins with

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actual cougars and actual animals that again just kind of

476
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standing there and commanding them to go. It wasn't easy,

477
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:25,759
but they did leave and I was okay. But I

478
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,519
think I'm more afraid of the natural because they don't

479
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,279
necessarily they do have free of wills, so they don't

480
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:36,599
necessarily have to obey everything that happens, and maybe that's

481
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,119
why they're focusing on that too. So yeah, I think

482
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,799
there's there's room for other things. I think that, and

483
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:45,880
this is just my opinion and it could certainly be off,

484
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,440
but I think when we're seeing things that appear like alien,

485
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,799
like I said, I've had these orbs, I've seen them,

486
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,759
and to me that I think that's fallen angelic and

487
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,359
I don't understand it all, but I think it is

488
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,519
alien as in then it's not part of our realm,

489
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,799
but it's able to kind of go back and forth

490
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,759
between one realm and the other.

491
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not lost on you that there are

492
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,559
people who say that aliens are just demons. What do

493
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,119
you say about that? Is that accurate?

494
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,519
Speaker 1: I don't, like I said, with that whole thing with

495
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:29,400
the fallen angelic realm, I think there's other creatures besides demons.

496
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,000
I think there's other fallen entities. I think, like I

497
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,480
wouldn't say Satan is a demon, He's an angel that fell.

498
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:43,160
The Seraphim are described as having you know, different, almost

499
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:48,079
what we would call animalistic looks, So I can't tell

500
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,839
you with any authority. I don't think they're benevolent. Let

501
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,440
me just put it that way. Whatever appears, I don't

502
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,880
think it will be benevolent. Yeah, that makes two of

503
00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,880
them would appear that.

504
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: I've heard about sasquatch doing things that could almost be

505
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,839
considered to be alltruistic, but as far as dog men go,

506
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,039
I haven't really heard of any such things happening. I

507
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,599
guess there was that one woman who years ago, she

508
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,240
was at this concert and since all the porta potties

509
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:21,480
were being used that had huge lines leading up to them,

510
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,400
there was a tree line way over in the distance,

511
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,880
so she headed over to the tree line to take

512
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,920
care of business. Well, unfortunately there were several men over

513
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,160
there that tried to do you know what. Well, a

514
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:40,839
dog man actually came to her aid and well it

515
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,119
talked the guys out of trying to do that. I'll

516
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,119
just leave it at that. But yeah, I mean, that

517
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,400
really is the only altruistic thing I can think of

518
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,440
over the years that anyone's ever told me about a

519
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,559
dog man doing. Now, why it did that to those guys,

520
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,000
I don't know. If it was trying to be of

521
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:03,000
help to her, to rescue her, I don't know. It

522
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:06,319
might have done that for some other reasons, but sure

523
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,000
does make you wonder. Sure does seem like it had

524
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240
her well being in mind when it did that.

525
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also think that, you know, like God,

526
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,519
can you know again as my faith and I just

527
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,839
want to clarify, like this are my faith, and nobody

528
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,720
has to believe what I believe. I'm just kind of

529
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,440
sharing from my perspective. But my perspective is that God

530
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:33,160
still is in control of everything, even fallen creatures, and

531
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,720
could use anything to protect somebody in any way that

532
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:40,599
he wants to. So that wouldn't mean they're good or bad.

533
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,279
I don't think that really matters. I think that well,

534
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,640
I guess maybe it does. I may not be phrasing

535
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,200
that right, but yeah, an Old Testament prophet called bears

536
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,960
the out of the woods to protect him to attack

537
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:03,920
a band of roving troublemaker. So yeah, so I wouldn't

538
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,720
I wouldn't say that. I think there's more to probe.

539
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,039
I can't say that I've researched this entirely, but I

540
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,400
would like to do more. Like the one of the

541
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,039
tribes that David fought was called line headed Men, and

542
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,400
even one of his mighty men were from that tribe.

543
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,360
So is there not you know, is I think that

544
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,320
there's a good part of our history that's been eradicated

545
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,440
that might have been a lot more fascinating than what

546
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:31,360
we know right now.

547
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, there just might be a lot of things we

548
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,679
don't know about that did happen. That's a good point.

549
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,840
It is that dogged me an encounter in the spiritual attacks,

550
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,239
that's not it. With regards to the frightening experiences you've

551
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,159
had from what I understand, Yeah, two very frightening experiences

552
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,000
that happened to you when you're a camping that were

553
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,119
I guess about three years apart. Please tell us about

554
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,440
what happened with those.

555
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had this happen twice and I really don't

556
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,159
know how to define what happened, but I can tell

557
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:06,880
you my experience. So one of them was on a

558
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,239
missions trip up to the Yukon where I am right now.

559
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,519
I ran a Bible college and we took a team

560
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:15,719
up and we've had had a lot of troubles on

561
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,880
that whole trip. We had a great opportunity to meet

562
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,320
people and to bless people. But we stopped at a

563
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,480
campground on the way back, and there was just a

564
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:28,960
weird vibe, like you could just feel it even when

565
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,559
we pulled up. And so we camp We put tent

566
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,079
for girls in a tent for boys, big tents, and

567
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,039
pulled up in this spot and in the middle of night,

568
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:41,039
somewhere around three am, all of a sudden, there was

569
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,440
just the sound of like a wind and branches breaking,

570
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,559
but in a weird circle, like it wasn't affecting our tent.

571
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,079
This is the strange thing. Didn't affect our tent, but

572
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:57,039
it was like round and around us and branches breaking

573
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,400
and sounding like stomping, and like what what kind of

574
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,079
like wildlife is and this is not this is a campground,

575
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:08,639
so this isn't just out in the woods camping, but

576
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,239
it is on the side the highway and it is

577
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,960
about two fifty kilometers in either direction from a town,

578
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:19,360
so it is out there. But yeah, just kept going

579
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,679
and we all will kept quite afraid, like this doesn't

580
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,800
feel right. So we could all hear each other and

581
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,639
we're just like, let's pray. So we began to pray

582
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,599
and pray for a while and it took so it

583
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:35,360
took some time, but eventually it slowed down. And then

584
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,800
when we got up in the morning, like we prayed

585
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,000
enough that we were comfortable to go to sleep in

586
00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:43,800
the morning in this campground is you know, there's sort

587
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,079
of like gravel campgrounds and a little picnic table over there,

588
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,199
and my bus I drove a bus and in the

589
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,679
woods all the way around in a circle around us

590
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:56,239
and for some ways out I don't know how long

591
00:36:56,639 --> 00:37:01,079
how large it was, but it wasn't all encompassing the campground,

592
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:04,039
but all the branches were down and it just looked

593
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,800
like something had like a whirlwind had gone around us,

594
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:11,400
but not a branch on or a twig or a

595
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:16,239
leaf or anything all around our tents, like completely bare ground.

596
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,239
So I'm like, what was that. I don't know what

597
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,519
that was, but it felt like a spiritual attack in

598
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,960
some way. So yeah, maybe one of your viewers just

599
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,079
had something like that too, or one of your listeners.

600
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:31,440
But yeah, And then that happened one other time when

601
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,400
I was with a girlfriend and I was rock climbing

602
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,199
on Vancouver Island and we went camping in a place

603
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,599
called the Heathens Campground, which whatever. There was a group

604
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:49,840
of lovely people that really liked to promote rock climbing

605
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,360
and pot smoking that just kind of was out there.

606
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,000
And I was with a friend who was, you know,

607
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:56,400
not a believer or and we were out there just

608
00:37:56,519 --> 00:38:00,159
enjoying ourselves having rock climbing, but we can't just kind

609
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,960
of aside from them, random camp in the woods, and

610
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:05,599
exactly the same thing. It was around just around three

611
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:06,960
in the morning. I think it was like two fifty

612
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,239
eight or something, because I remember looking at what time

613
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,280
is it, and the same thing, just the like noise

614
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,920
of stomping and crashing and branches breaking all around us

615
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,440
in a circle. And she was in a tent right

616
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,840
next to mine, And again I woke up with that

617
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,280
sense of fear, like, what's going on. That's not normal?

618
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:30,960
You know, it's not humans. It's definitely too heavy, and

619
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,119
I thought, what, you know, couldn't be the heathens coming

620
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:37,639
over the group and hanging out. They were really nice people,

621
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,239
so like, what's going on? And I just felt this

622
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,840
is spiritual. So I began to pray again and my

623
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,920
friend in the next tent, I think she kind of

624
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,760
woke up and she's like, what is that? And I said,

625
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,320
I don't know, I think it spiritual. I'll pray, And

626
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,599
she was in a believer or she's like, okay, like

627
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:54,800
you got me covered, I'll go back to sleep. So

628
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,079
we prayed and again it stopped, and this time same thing.

629
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,880
Like it was bushy. So I won't say there wasn't

630
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,159
anything down, but there was. The damage was in a

631
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:08,760
circle outside. I'd say, like, I don't know, ten feet

632
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,239
outside of our tents, in a circumference away from our tents,

633
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,599
and then you can see all the damage but no footprints,

634
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:18,800
know nothing, just broken branches and disturbed foliage.

635
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: With regards to those two experiences, how would you rate

636
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,159
them as far as the fear factor compared to your dog,

637
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:27,880
meaning count.

638
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good fear factor. Yeah, freaky when

639
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,519
that's happening, not just because of like the sounds, but

640
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:40,119
because you're vulnerable in a tent. If trees are falling

641
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,280
like that's that's a big danger. No trees are actually well,

642
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,760
actually I think at the other camp ground up north

643
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,880
there were some small trees that had fallen. But yeah,

644
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,840
you're vulnerable if trees are going to fall.

645
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,599
Speaker 2: You sure are. In my opinion, one of the worst

646
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:57,800
things about being in a tent with something like that's

647
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,360
going on, when you have an actor outside that possibly

648
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,440
means you harm is you don't know where they are

649
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,519
at any given time unless you can actually hear them,

650
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,280
but they know where you are, so that gives them

651
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,000
every advantage. And then of course you really have no

652
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,920
protection whatsoever from those thin walls. So it's really a

653
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,800
bad situation. Yeah, it really is.

654
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:24,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just a burrito.

655
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 2: You are, You definitely are. It gets me, you know,

656
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,360
there are I don't know that I would say it's

657
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,280
like the new thing, but there are more and more

658
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,679
sasquatch researchers now who instead of camping intents, they camp

659
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:45,519
in hammocks because they can see better, and they're a

660
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:51,159
lighter to carry in. Mark Newbill he and Larry Porch

661
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,199
the third, those guys, they are the first two I

662
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,760
heard of that headed into the woods and did that.

663
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,800
They go deep, They go really deep into the woods.

664
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,480
So with that in mind, they're really mindful about what

665
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:06,440
they want to carry in with them. But I guess,

666
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,440
on one hand, if you're sleeping in a hammock, you

667
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,320
can see better. You can see what's going on around

668
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,960
you much better than if you're in a tent. But

669
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,400
I don't know the idea of laying there up high.

670
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:21,920
It's easier to grab you when you're up in the

671
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,559
air like that for one of these things, and when

672
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:27,039
you're laying on the ground, they don't have to bend over.

673
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,239
But I don't know if that's a better thing or

674
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,039
a worse thing sleeping in a tent. I just don't know.

675
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know either. I mean, I go to

676
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,639
remote places to hiking camp too, but I have not

677
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,840
run into anything. But I pray every time I go out,

678
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,800
please Lord keep away anything that wants to eat me

679
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,800
or scare me. I just need to relax. I want

680
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,199
to enjoy my life out here, so I've seen bears,

681
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,360
and I've seen wolves and cougars and what have you.

682
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,000
But never, never on my camping trips have I had

683
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,760
any scary experience. I mean, I'm from Vancouver Island, so

684
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,679
I have definitely heard of people encountering sasquatch, but I

685
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:11,239
haven't yet as far as I know, unless those experiences

686
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,920
were that being But I like not seeing what's happening.

687
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,039
I've had bear sniff me, I've had bull sniff my

688
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,000
head right when I'm sleeping. Like, I'm glad I don't

689
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,000
see you right now. I'm not worried about you, but

690
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:25,760
I don't want to see your face.

691
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:30,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it's better not to know. Sometimes it's better

692
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,599
not to see. I get it, Yeah, I really do.

693
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:36,800
And for anyone listening who's wondering, why did VIC bring

694
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,880
an eyewitness on or a guest on who didn't actually

695
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,280
see a dog man when they had their encounter, Well,

696
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,719
if you listen to all these fascinating things that we're

697
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,760
talking about tonight here with Lisa, that's your answer. That's

698
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,079
all the answer you need right there. So, yeah, she's

699
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:58,840
really impressive. On Vancouver Island, that's where you said you're

700
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:03,800
born and raised you're really adventurous. Oh you weren't born

701
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,559
and raised there, I'm sorry, Okay, yeah, sorry about that.

702
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: Makes sure. I was born in North Vancouver, raised in

703
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:14,960
a really small town in the Caribou so on one

704
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:17,519
hundred and sixty acres on pretty much horseback. I was

705
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:19,880
a cowgirl, you know that kind of thing.

706
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: If moving there, well you've lived some pretty places. I

707
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,639
like that. Yeah, Vancouver Island, that's like my dream place

708
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:34,000
to live. So and I'll be moving soon, so I'm

709
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,559
not going to pull that off moving to Vancouver Island,

710
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,039
but I'm sure it would be nice. But if anyone

711
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:44,280
listening hasn't picked up on it yet, Lisa is very adventurous.

712
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,039
I mean she gets out and she does things. Between

713
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,679
the camping and the hiking and all these things. Traveling

714
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:53,559
with that in mind present day. Because of your faith,

715
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,280
do you head into the woods out into the wilderness

716
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,960
alone ever or you're always with somewhere?

717
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do. I love being out in the woods.

718
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:05,400
I mean it does scare me. I'm not going to

719
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,039
pretend I'm not scared, like and I'm a bit of

720
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:12,079
an idiot sometimes, Like I did go random camping by

721
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,320
myself and I walked into the woods and I ended

722
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,920
up being on a bear highway and thought, no, this

723
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,639
isn't good. So I went somewhere else and I was

724
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:21,239
camping at night and I heard the sound of this

725
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,000
beautiful night bird I'd never heard before. So I was

726
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:26,360
out of my tent looking all around for it, but

727
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,400
I couldn't see it. Later on, I looked up that

728
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,239
bird sound and it was the chirping of a cougar.

729
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,239
So I stay in my tent now. Am I try

730
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,360
and go with somebody? But yeah, I've been to fly

731
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:42,239
in fly out pikes. I've hiked to almost in every

732
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:45,199
trail there is on Vancouver Island on the coast I've done,

733
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,639
so I enjoy it.

734
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's great. Now you've had all these experiences, most

735
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,800
notably the one with the dog man. Whenever you hit

736
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,159
out into the bush like that, are you always looking

737
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,960
around for dog men? The next dog man behind this tree?

738
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,239
You're that tree? Or do you seldom think about it?

739
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: No? I'm and I think I need to process a

740
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,920
little more. Maybe the bigfoot experience but not mine, But

741
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,880
just like should that happen? But I don't feel like

742
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:19,320
I do feel that when things are spiritually motivated. The

743
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,920
power that God has given to all believers is far

744
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000
greater than what they have. So I feel safe. I

745
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:31,679
feel protected by God, covered by God. It's you know,

746
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:35,639
it's the natural ones that have that I probably are

747
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:41,320
more worried about. Yeah, like like humans. I have been

748
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,159
attacked by a man, but I did manage to get

749
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,960
free by just saying no, I'm a child of God

750
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:51,639
and you can't touch me. It wasn't easy, but so

751
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,159
I guess I rely on God a lot for my

752
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,159
safety and I also feel that and this is not

753
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:01,159
to be a fatalist, but should something happened to me,

754
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,280
then I will accept that as well. But I'd rather

755
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,960
not live in fear. I want to live in the

756
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,719
fullness of life. And should I have a traumatic ending,

757
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,079
it's better not to anticipate that and just live it

758
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:20,440
if it happens. Does that make sense, Yeah, that does

759
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:21,079
make sense.

760
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, with as much life as you have

761
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,079
ahead of you, you've got a lot of things to

762
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:29,360
do still, and that's exciting. It really would be a

763
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,639
shame if you just became a shud away, now that

764
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,960
you know what's really out there in the dark places.

765
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:37,159
If you became a shud away and didn't live your

766
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,519
life and wasted all of the years in front of you.

767
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,719
That would be horrible. And that's something I tell well

768
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,920
with kid gloves. I tell eyewitnesses that, I mean, if

769
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,000
you have a traumatic encounter, you're not ready to just

770
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:52,639
dive into the woods right away. That's why I tell eyewitnesses,

771
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:56,400
you know, baby steps, take your time when you're ready,

772
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,920
take some small steps towards getting back into the woods

773
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,719
the safe way, because dogmen aren't the only thing out

774
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,760
there that could possibly harm you. But I've proven on

775
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,920
several well I've said, I should say on several occasions

776
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,039
that the numbers clearly show that dog men are not

777
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:14,440
wired to rip you apart as soon as the opportunity

778
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,079
presents itself. Can they be dangerous? Oh yeah, but it's

779
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:22,599
not like they're wired to do that necessarily. But yeah,

780
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,559
I mean, I'm just glad, I'm tickled pink to hear

781
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:26,920
that you do live life. You go out and you

782
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:29,639
enjoy the woods in the wilderness. That's how it should be.

783
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,920
It really should be that way. Here's something that I

784
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,400
was kind of on the fence about bringing up with you.

785
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,039
But when I'm unsure about something I like to fall

786
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:45,840
back onto my values and what matters most to me

787
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:48,559
is the truth. So I'm gonna put this out there

788
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:51,119
for you because it is the truth, and I think

789
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:54,039
you'd want to know about this, because obviously the truth

790
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,239
that means a lot to you as well. What I'm

791
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,000
getting out hear, Lisa is I've spoken with people who

792
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:06,480
have rebuked dog men with success, and I've spoken with

793
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,679
people who didn't have success when they rebuke the dog man.

794
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,519
So with that knowledge hearing that, does that mean that

795
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:21,639
definitively that the dog men that didn't respond to being rebuked,

796
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,159
Does that mean they weren't an evil entity an evil

797
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:28,679
spirit because the rebuking didn't work. Or could that be

798
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,599
due to a lack of faith from the person trying

799
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:32,400
to rebuke them.

800
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: That's another good question, Vick. And I was ready for

801
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,440
this one because I have listened to some of your

802
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:43,760
people talk about that using the name of Jesus and

803
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,679
it works and it doesn't work. And I'm gonna reference

804
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:50,760
a scripture so people can look it up if they

805
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,880
want to. But it's Acts nineteen thirteen to twenty, and

806
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,280
it's the story about some Jewish exorcists that heard about

807
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,440
you know that these new disciples, and after this is

808
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,119
acts is kind of like the time after Jesus resurrection.

809
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:10,480
The disciples are going out and spreading the good news.

810
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:15,039
And so these Jewish exorcists had heard about how you know,

811
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:18,239
demonic entities are just kind of crying out and leaving

812
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,679
people when the disciples are praying for them. And they

813
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,920
hadn't had that kind of success in that way, so

814
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,079
they they try to use the name of Jesus. In fact,

815
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,599
it's quoted as saying they said, in the name of

816
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:36,039
Jesus whom Paul preaches, so sort of like you know

817
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:39,320
that Jesus, because there were more than one Jesus, like

818
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,039
that was a common name, so you know, in the

819
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,079
name of Jesus whom Paul preaches. They tried to cast

820
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,079
out the demons, and these are the seven sons of Skiva.

821
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:56,199
There's seven sons the demonic inside the person said to them, Jesus,

822
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,519
I know, Paul, I know, but who are you so

823
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,039
and then proceeded to beat them up and strip them naked.

824
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:06,519
So they went running bloodied and naked down and they

825
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:12,039
were humiliated, but it caused people to believe in Jesus

826
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,800
more like so I think there's a difference between just

827
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:18,840
using that name because you heard it somewhere and because

828
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,960
you maybe give mental assent to the fact that Jesus

829
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:27,000
might be a power greater than what you're encountering, and

830
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,679
the difference is knowing him personally, like Okay, like he's

831
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,320
my friend, I've talked to him, we have a relationship,

832
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,079
and I believe that you can do things. And Jesus

833
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:41,880
speaks quite a few times about how our faith, like

834
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,119
the woman who was heal this as your faith has

835
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:46,679
made you well. So that doesn't put the onus on

836
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,320
us to like be really mighty in our faith, but

837
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,880
rather that we really have to like know what we're believing,

838
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:57,000
like we have to have read the Bible ourselves. I

839
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,679
have heard, uh, I think on your podcast in the

840
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,960
past people who've come out to like do cleansing of

841
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,880
houses and they do ritual lets get ritualistic things, which

842
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,679
I don't think rituals save us. I think it's just

843
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,079
really like really knowing who who Jesus is, like who

844
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:15,960
he is, and how much he loves us and how

845
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:18,840
much he'll protect us, and that much powerry has and

846
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,519
not just thrown out a name like Oh yeah, like

847
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,000
I know Vic, so like literally, Vick, I haven't seen

848
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,719
your face, so I don't think I can name drop

849
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,320
with you. But but it's kind of you know, So

850
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,159
there's that aspect, and I also think, yeah, possibly there's

851
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,360
sometimes you're actually fighting with something much and blood and

852
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:40,320
you might have to take a different approach. Does that

853
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:40,880
sound clear?

854
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: That does? Yeah. You've got a bad habit of making

855
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,079
really good points and good sense. Do you know that? Yeah?

856
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: You? Oh my god.

857
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,679
Speaker 2: You can take complicated subjects and you explain them in

858
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,960
such clear ways. It's a gift. I'm impressed. I really am.

859
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,519
Oh you're welcome.

860
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: Because I'm simple myself. Pick I just need a simple answer.

861
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's a great quality to have. It really

862
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,239
is well for anyone listening. If you have any questions

863
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,719
you want me to ask Lisa. If you're in the

864
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,920
live chat and have any questions you want me to

865
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,840
ask her, then please go ahead and type them post

866
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:29,639
them in all caps for me. Whoops, that's an alarm

867
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:32,079
on my end that just went off. I apologize.

868
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm all right.

869
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,519
Speaker 2: Nothing like live radio, but yeah, if you type your

870
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:40,880
questions you want me to ask Lisa in all caps,

871
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,880
then I'll be looking through the comments and I'll ask

872
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,360
that question or those questions of her Lisa, moving forward,

873
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,639
do you have a desire to actually see a dog

874
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,960
man when you go out and you're in the woods,

875
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,480
you're in the wilds or are you good now that

876
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:03,000
you've had all these experiences?

877
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:09,599
Speaker 1: Well maybe it's my nature big but like even up here,

878
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:13,000
I drive pretty remote areas and I've heard of different

879
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:16,960
sightings of Bigfoot here and other things, and I'm like,

880
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,760
I cautiously in my conversations with God, will say, Okay,

881
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,039
I kind of want to see one, but if you

882
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:27,360
think it's better I don't, then okay with that, but

883
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,239
please let it be from a safe place like my

884
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:35,400
car zizzing by. So I can't help the curiosity, I

885
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,039
guess a little bit, but I don't want to be

886
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:39,840
I am also open to like, don't let me do

887
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,639
anything that's just dumb, Like you know that I don't

888
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,000
want I'm not going searching for something. But at the

889
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:50,159
same time, I'm curious, Like I'm curious about Bigfoot. Honestly,

890
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,320
there's so many stories and so many encounters. I'm curious

891
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,360
about what their point is. And even with the dog man,

892
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,880
like I don't want them to be anything here, but

893
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,400
I'm curious to see what my reaction would be if

894
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,599
I see the flesh and blood thing out in the wilderness.

895
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,719
I'm just I'm a curious person. So I guess my

896
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,199
answer is yeah, sort of.

897
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, like I tell people, be careful what you

898
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,400
wish for, huh exactly? Yeah, definitely. I guess it all

899
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,679
depends on what kind of an encounter you have if

900
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,679
you do have another one, right, but you never do know? Well,

901
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:28,480
the first question on deck for you is from Dale

902
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:32,840
Mansfield and Dale wants to know Lisa approximately word did

903
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,159
your encounter happen? Sorry if I missed that?

904
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,159
Speaker 1: Oh which one? The one in my bedroom?

905
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: Yes?

906
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: Okay, that would have been in a town in Canada

907
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:47,599
called Colonna.

908
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:54,679
Speaker 2: Colonna, Okay, I see, Well that answers that one. The

909
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,800
next one on deck is from Necroymonican and they want

910
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,920
to know can a dog man be possessed?

911
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I can't. I cannot say that I am

912
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:11,920
able to answer that with any kind of authority. I

913
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,280
have no idea, but I would say that A if

914
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,880
they are a a genetic combination of something fallen in,

915
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,360
something animal and something human, I think they already are

916
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,519
kind of possessed with a a DNA that isn't isn't good?

917
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,920
Do I think they're redeemable? I have no idea. Anything

918
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,079
that may have some humanity in it I think is redeemable.

919
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:43,519
I can so other than that, are they actually just

920
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,400
demonic things? About? Demonic things? Are demonic things? That's just

921
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,679
their personality. So it depends on what form and what happens.

922
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,280
And yeah, I mean there I think there might be,

923
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,119
you know, dog men. Then then I don't know. And

924
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,320
like I said, that genetic might indicate something.

925
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:07,199
Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. How should I put this?

926
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:11,480
I guess I'll put some more thought into how to

927
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,920
ask that question so it's clear, and I'll get to

928
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,000
that in a bit here. This next question is from

929
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,320
Stephen Toll and Steven wants to know do you think

930
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,039
something made a protection circle around your friends?

931
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: Oh? Good question, Stephen. Yeah, I do, Like I think,

932
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,559
I do believe because I also, you know, because I've

933
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:35,119
been talking a fair bit about the fallen angelic realm,

934
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:41,719
I also believe in the angelic realm as in those

935
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,599
who serve God still and as far as we know,

936
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:50,119
they outnumber the fallen so because in a situation that

937
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:56,159
happened in my family with it was a legitimate windstorm,

938
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:59,159
nothing demonic, but just a windstorm. And I lived in

939
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,880
a little single wide trailer right nestled in massive trees

940
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:08,239
and trees were falling all over, and so my children

941
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,440
were terrified and we just prayed God protect us. And

942
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:15,199
one of my daughters and said, I feel like angels

943
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,639
are standing like with protecting us, and I'm like, okay,

944
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,719
there's nothing we can do. We just have to trust that.

945
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,440
And a couple hours later when it cleared, there was

946
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:28,360
not a branch on our property again, like literally our

947
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,559
property line. My neighbor next door had seven trees fall

948
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:35,000
in our house. So I believe in the angelic realm

949
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,920
to protect me. I've seen it at work when in deliverance,

950
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,920
when somebody was transforming or changing, and I asked the

951
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,039
angelic realm to help me, and I saw that person

952
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:48,159
get locked into their chair invisible like as if invisible

953
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:51,559
hands held that person down. Nothing. There was five men

954
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,760
in that room. They couldn't hold them down. But so

955
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,639
I believe in the angelic realm and the pot and

956
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,639
that ability to protect us as well.

957
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:02,199
Speaker 2: Well. Like I told you before a couple of times.

958
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:05,320
I really do like the way you think. I'm impressed.

959
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,480
I am. Here's the perfect question to ask you because

960
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:15,880
of your qualifications and knowledge. Unfortunately, there's no lack of

961
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,079
people I've spoken with who live in situations where they

962
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:23,360
deal with these things on a regular basis. And with

963
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,599
that in mind, if these are evil spirits, evil entities

964
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:32,519
that we're dealing with here from Hell, I'm sure a

965
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:35,480
lot of these people would like to know what is

966
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,239
their main goal? What would the main goal of a

967
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,400
dog man that is an evil spirit, an evil entity

968
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:45,039
from hell? What is their main goal, the reason, the

969
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,920
main reason behind why they are doing what they are

970
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:52,960
doing on a continual basis to torment these people.

971
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: Oh, good question again. Well, first of all, I just

972
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,119
want to say there's been so many times I've heard

973
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:04,039
people testify that they have sought the church for help

974
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:07,360
and they didn't get anything. And that breaks my heart

975
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,440
because I would be there in a heartbeat if if

976
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,800
I had the money to fly around and just help

977
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,400
people out. Like I along with a few friends of mine,

978
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,159
prayed over a whole hotel that was that was haunted

979
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:24,360
and long story there another episode, but it was completely

980
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:33,760
cleaned out of dark, demonic presences. So Bible tells us

981
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,159
that the devil is like a roaring line seeking whom

982
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:43,719
he may devour, and that his goal in his just

983
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:48,199
just an entity filled with hatred, and is to rob, kill,

984
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:51,559
and destroy. Those are the three things. So rob you

985
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:56,599
of your peace, destroy your happiness, all those things. That's

986
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,440
kind of his just. It's just like an angry, horrible

987
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:06,559
entity that just wants to see your life destroyed. I

988
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:10,800
do believe there might be some jealousy, and that you

989
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,639
are loved by God. You're in the image of your creator.

990
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:18,559
You have the option of turning to him and having

991
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:22,719
redemption or salvation, where the fallen angels were told did

992
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,079
not have that, and the Bible says that they long

993
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:28,199
to look into these things and they can't. So I

994
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:32,000
think that fallen ones who have got judgment waiting for them,

995
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:34,679
would love nothing better than to get at our God

996
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,719
by damaging his children or harming him or hurting them

997
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,960
or whatever. But God turns all things to good. So

998
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:46,599
like you said with this dog man incident and others,

999
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:49,800
that he has turned that to good. He has allowed

1000
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,360
those things if we trust in him to turn it

1001
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,079
into a good, good thing for us, and the whole

1002
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:59,760
story of Job is very similar to that. Again another episode,

1003
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:00,760
so I won't go into that.

1004
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, we could have another show on that, couldn't

1005
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:09,559
we probably? Yeah, we probably could. What's about time for

1006
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:11,880
us to get out of here, Lisa, But before we do,

1007
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,480
do you have any clothes and comments you'd like to

1008
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:14,400
put out there for us?

1009
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:19,159
Speaker 1: I think the one thing I didn't I hit on

1010
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:21,599
but I didn't really talk enough about is that fear

1011
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,559
that is paralyzing. It's just again my feeling is that

1012
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:31,559
that's something they radiate and it helps you to kind

1013
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:36,519
of I think, move forward when you're paralyzed with that

1014
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,119
fear is just to be able to say that's not mine,

1015
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,599
get out of here, like that's you, that's your smell,

1016
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:44,480
as I put it in quotes, because I call it

1017
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:46,440
a smell. I have no other way to Like, they

1018
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,920
do smell bad too, but that's because if a fear

1019
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,840
comes on you that's irrational, like there's no real reason

1020
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,199
for this. That's usually their presence nearby, and that's their

1021
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,920
feeling and it doesn't have to be yours. So whether

1022
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,920
you believe in Jesus or not, I do believe that

1023
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:07,840
he has the power, but also just being cognizant of

1024
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,159
that that you know, that's on them, Like, once they're gone,

1025
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,360
it's gone, right unless you choose to hang on to

1026
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,960
a bit of it and carry it with you, Like

1027
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,400
what if that happens again? Or what was that? Just

1028
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,920
like no, it came in the room, it brought its

1029
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,199
fear with it, and then it's gone in it or

1030
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:26,480
in the woods, it comes close, it brings its fear,

1031
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,679
but when it's gone, the fear is gone. That's them,

1032
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:35,440
that's on them.

1033
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 2: Lise, I can't thank you enough for coming on and

1034
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:38,159
dropping all this knowledge on us. I really do appreciate it.

1035
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic. You're very kind host, and I appreciate

1036
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:48,760
you and your people and your followers and your podcast.

1037
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,679
I'd listened to it all the time, So thank you.

1038
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome, of course, thank you so

1039
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,000
much for your time. And I don't know how I

1040
01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:57,800
could but down the road if I can ever help

1041
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,280
you somehow some way, please do let me. Okay, thank you,

1042
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:06,280
Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much for your time,

1043
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:07,719
and have a great night.

1044
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: All right, good night, thank you.

1045
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:15,239
Speaker 2: Well that's it for another one. Another one in the books,

1046
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,719
so that everyone listening knows. To give you a quick

1047
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,400
update on Joe. As far as the whole demonic entity,

1048
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:29,159
the incubus issue, it seems like that is in hand now.

1049
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:32,320
I guess that's probably the best way I can put it.

1050
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:35,320
That's maybe not the best way to frame it. But

1051
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:39,239
the morning after that show aired, the Update Show with

1052
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:46,719
Joyce with Joe, Reverend contacted me and I basically put

1053
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,320
him into contact with Joe, and after doing that, he

1054
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,760
has been a huge help. He's got a team that

1055
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,920
specializes in this type of thing that Joe is suffering through.

1056
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:02,719
And yeah, things really seem to be coming together on

1057
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,239
that issue. As far as our housing issue goes, we're

1058
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:09,400
still working on that to get that resolve, but the

1059
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,760
DA made some recommendations on who to contact in her area,

1060
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:18,079
and it seems like that party has an interest in

1061
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:21,920
getting that issue with her housing resolved. So of course,

1062
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,440
I'll keep you updated is all this plays out, so

1063
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,719
that you know what's going on with her. But like

1064
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,599
I told you before, I can't thank you enough for

1065
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:33,199
all of your recommendations and for all of your help

1066
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,280
when it comes to Joe. I really do appreciate it.

1067
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:39,039
But having said that, if you've had a dogman encounter

1068
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,519
of your own and would like to get help dealing

1069
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:43,440
with it, all I have to do is just go

1070
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,320
to Dogmanecounters dot com and submit a report. If you

1071
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,960
do that, then I'll contact you to schedule a film consultation.

1072
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:52,239
If you'd like to be a guest on the show,

1073
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,400
it's the same thing. Just go to Doggingandecounters dot com

1074
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,360
and submit a report and I'll be in touch. But

1075
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,480
having said that, thanks against much for listening everyone. I

1076
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:04,800
really do appreciate it, and of course have a great weekend.