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without any further ado, let's bring on tonight's guest. Tonight's
guest is Lisa. Lisa, thanks so much for coming.
Speaker 1: Oh, Beck, thank you for inviting me. And I'm actually
super stoked hear about your podcast because I'm a super
podcast fan.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope I don't disappoint you. It's going to
be a creepy pasta dog Men podcast, so yeah, no
true stories, it's all fictional stories. But yeah, I'm looking
forward to getting us off the ground. It's been a
lot of work trying to get the stories created, enough
stories created where there's continuity for the first four weeks,
I want to release four new episodes every week, so
you imagine all the work that went into creating sixteen
stories that are accurate about dog Men. And yeah, yeah,
it's been a labor of love. I've enjoyed it, but
it is a lot of work. But we're not here
to talk about that. We're here to talk about you
and your experiences. Before we do that, though, please give
us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I have just recently retired after thirty eight
years in various different ministries. I've been a pastor most
of those, and in that I've had a lot of
different experiences. But I didn't come from a Christian background.
Actually came from a very different kind of background and
very damaged background. But I've traveled a fair bit, not
because I like traveling, just because I've just my life
has been one big long adventure which I'm super super love,
which even being on here VIC is another step, another adventure.
So I'm kind of in a new phase in my life.
I'm a Canadian and I hope you can understand my accent,
and yeah, I just travel around assisting pastors right now
at the moment.
Speaker 2: If anyone listening to tonight's show starts to wonder if
Lisa is half as nice as she seems, yeah, she
definitely is. I mean, you can't talk with her for
any period of time with being struck by that. She's
as nice as they come. She really is. Well, thank you,
you're welcome. Yeah, they don't come any nicer, Lisa. From
the way you described your earlier years, it sounds like
you being a pastor, that wouldn't be something that you
ever expected to do. Did you encounter that we're going
to talk about that you had when you were in
your bedroom that night with that dog man? Is that
one of the things that steered you towards your religion?
Speaker 1: No, Actually, that's a good question, Vick, But that actually
came after my decision to become a Christian. And right
after that, boy, I got nailed with every kind of
spiritual every kind of spiritual thing to try and I
guess change my mind, or discourage me or scare me,
because previous to that, I didn't have any of those
kind of things. There was a lot of spiritism in
my life, and I just didn't think much of it.
I guess I didn't really recognize the danger of it
until until I had given my life to God and
became a Christian. And then everything took a nasty turn,
Like all those things that you thought were benign turned
out to be a little bit more dangerous. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Toledo steel blades, it's not like they go through
the fire one time. Sounds like you went through the
fire several times, but like a Toledo steel blade, it
just made you that much better and that much stronger.
So maybe it's a good thing, I think.
Speaker 1: So it's funny you say that, because I think it's been.
My life story is pretty rough actually overall, I mean
a little tough, but a verse that God gave me
right when I first became a Christian was what right
does the potter have to say to the Clay have
to say to the potter? What are you doing with me?
And I think pretty much I was a good preemptive
verse because I think I've said that a million times?
What are you doing with me? Am I not ready? Do?
I have a lot of pride? I must.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a great way to put it. I like
the way you think. From what I understand, Lisa, you
suffered from sleep paralysis for years. Do you still suffer
from it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, I mean there might be the occasional moment,
but I know what it is now and you know
it doesn't really I think doesn't affect me that much,
but certainly in the early years, yeah, yeah, I was
there a lot.
Speaker 2: Well, thankingness, you don't suffer from me anymore. I mean
I think I've had two bouts of sleep paralysis and
it definitely wasn't any fun. I can't even imagine having
it as a recurring problem. That wouldn't be good at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And it makes you feel powerless, but that's
kind of where the story goes. It kind of gave
me my power back, believe it or not. A dog
man encountered.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know it's funny, Lisa. Some things happened
in life and you just think, woe is me. It's
the most horrible thing that could have happened. But down
the road you look back and say, well, thank goodness
that happened. So isn't life something.
Speaker 1: Else it is? It's never boring, No.
Speaker 2: That it's not. You've suffered several spiritual attacks over the
years as well. Can you think of anything you might
have done to possibly cause those attacks to happen?
Speaker 1: Well, I think at the beginning it was a response.
It was like in response to me not following the
same path anymore. Like I think they felt there was
some dark spiritual stuff that was a part of my
life and even historically part of my if you want
to call it, bloodline that I stopped partnering with. And
I think there was anger and there was some lashing
out at that and then after that, you know, it
was you know, as a pastor, there's at least I
think there should be an element of spiritual warfare and
what you do. So there was some times when I encountered,
particular I've done some deliverance, and you know, there's some
backlash to that, like maybe they felt they owned somebody
and you help that person be free and they're angry.
But like I said, I am, although I don't want
to make it sound like I'm not affected by it,
because it is. I think I've mentioned to you too,
like there are some fear that comes along with that,
but I have learned over the years how to combat that,
how to fight that, and how to win.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness for that. Yeah, I can only imagine
having to deal with that for a long time. That
wouldn't be good at all. Just we're clear. You have
a lot of faith now, obviously, But did you have
strong faith before you started to experience those spiritual attacks? No?
Speaker 1: Actually, I mean I had sort of a I don't
know how to frame it, but I mean since I
was a kid, I think I had an awareness of God.
I had I think maybe everybody does, and you know,
I just didn't define what God was, and uh, my
family was not a good example of a good family
in many ways, and so there was a lot of struggles.
I was very isolated. I tried to sort life out myself,
and I did get involved. I think I mentioned before
I did do Ouiji board and my mom was into
spiritism but also going to church. So I kind of
had a form of God, but I didn't really. I
had a very profound encounter when God kind of encountered me.
I wasn't really looking, but called me. And maybe that's
the kind of calling it takes to become a pastor,
never mind a female pastor. That's not something I ever
wanted to do. But yeah, and then and then I
have to tell you the truth. I rejected God when
he first called me. I'm like, no, I'm not interested,
kind of like my selfish life and I really wanted
to do the things I wanted to do. And so
that's when life got really rough. And then some years
after that, I think I was about twenty twenty one,
I was a single mom on welfare. All my dreams
had kind of come to a crushing halt, and then
I realized, you know what, the only thing that's going
to get me out of this is God, and I
turned my life for around, well, got to turn my
life around. I submitted, and I said okay whatever, and
so my life after that became quite the adventure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny how that works, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah,
it definitely is. We spoke for a good time when
we had that first conversation about your encounter. But I
still don't have a beat on this when it comes
to fear. How did your dog me in the encounter
compared to the spiritual attacks you experienced? Of course, without
giving any details of your dog mean encounter.
Speaker 1: Okay, because I think that although the dog man encounter
had a physicality to it, it responded spiritually. So I
feel like going further, like there were times when there
was I think I shared with you that time when
you know, I was still still kind of figuring out
where I stood on things, and I had done some
self hypnosis and I'd seen like a literal three D
metal sphere kind of floating in the room and I
was just like, oh, like I said the name of Jesus,
and it ooof went through the wall and disappeared. So
I kind of saw that there was something to the
physicality and spirituality somehow or tied. I can't. I don't
pretend to understand this. But so therefore, when there were
issues that were very spiritual and yet threatening physically, I
felt that, you know that spiritual like I felt like
I was spiritually armed to fight them better through the
dog man encounter. It kind of showed me because that
was the first encounter that I had that I really
used God to save me from something. The name of
Jesus and the belief in him, and.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness, you did that too. Definitely, all right, list,
so please tell us about your encounter. Now, give us
every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Sure. First, I just wanted to give a shout out
to Amy for sharing her story because I responded to
you because she had told about her dog man story
that was inside her home and I'm sorry for not
remembering all the details. But at the end of that
she said, I love it if people would respond if
they've had a similar inside or indoor experience, and I thought, oh,
I have had that, and so that's how I contacted you,
so that I could share with you and just say, yeah,
I've had something like that too. So this is what
happened years ago when just shortly after I became a
Christian started living Forgotten. I was kind of sorting through
some things in my life, and I was living at
this time. I was a single mom, and so I'm
staying in an apartment building too. I don't know if
I mentioned that it was an apartment building. And I
slipping in my bedroom, and I had had, like I said,
some other previous attacks, some horrible nightmares and things like that,
and this was another one of those moments where I
was frozen and I was awake, so I could see
the wall in front of me, and I'm like just
woke up in fear, just dread, but immobilized. And so
as I was frozen there, I could hear like so
I had a bedroom that was carpeted, and just outside
that carpeted room was a hallway to a doorway, and
the hallway was linoleum, and the carpet started at my
bedroom door. So I could hear footpads coming steps coming
across my linoleum, and they were just slowly stepping, and
I could hear like a I don't want to make
a sound on here, but like a tick of like
like a foot pad with nails with like with claws
or something like a what I thought was a dog.
I'm like, why is there a dog in here? And
why is it walking that way? And I again I
couldn't turn my head, which if I had been able
to turn to the left, I would have been able
to see if the door was open, but I couldn't
not move. But then as it came and I could
feel it getting closer, like your senses just tingle as
something like like when something predatorial is coming up on you.
And then I could hear it step on the carpet,
and so I could hear step step, and it wasn't
too far to my bed, but I still couldn't turn
my head. I couldn't even see out the corner of
my eyes, but I could hear the heavy, slow panting
like a dog like I could even sort of feel
heat and breath coming towards me, and it was just
breath and heat, and I was like, Oh my gosh,
like something a wolf for some reason is in my
house and it's coming to kill me, coming towards my head.
So I was just like, oh my gosh, like I'm
going to be killed here. I don't know what's happening,
like there's a deadly animal. And then that's at that
moment when I felt prompted by God to just call
out the name of Jesus. So I just I first try,
I couldn't even get it out. I was just sort
of barely it like Jesus. And then just my effort
in my trying, the next time, I was able to
just shout Jesus, like Lisa felt loud to me. I
don't know, maybe it was pathetically weak, but I was alone,
so and I instantly This was the thing that startled
me was that I just heard an animal four legs
turn around and the grip of like pads on the
carpet run and I even heard the spinning like a
dog heeling out on the on the linoleum, heading towards
the door, and then of course just disappear. And I'm like,
how in the world. So I sat up. Then I
was able to move immediately. I didn't see anything, but
I was able to look out the hallway and down
the door and like, there's nothing there and the door
is locked, the doors shut. How in the world could
something come in and get here and do that and
have such a like a visceral found feel everything. But
the moment that I guess I heard it like peeling out,
running so hard on my linoleum, that's the moment that
something broke for me, because I began to like laugh.
I'm sure it was a little bit of a nervous reaction,
but I'm like, oh my gosh, like something so horrifying
was so terrified at the name of Jesus that it
like peeled out of my house to get to get out.
And I think that was the moment that everything switched
for me, and I began to realize that whatever I'm
battling right now, and all the aspects of my life
and all the different battles, that God is so far
greater than the spirit of darkness that even his name
caused this thing to run out of my house, out
of my room. And so from then on then, yeah,
I had battles. Yeah I had the fear. And yes,
I've even smelt them smelt I shouldn't say them as
in dog man, but entities and but and I think
I mentioned to also Vic that that fear I don't
believe comes to my only my thought, just my thought
doesn't just come from us. But it's like part of them.
So as they get close, we feel fear because it's
like a lack of better word, an aura or something.
Maybe they're experiencing all the time, considering they're fallen and
in a bad state, that maybe they walk around in
an atmosphere that that's the way they feel. But when
they're gone, the fear is gone. So yeah, did I
miss anything? Am I rambling on? Do you have questions?
Speaker 2: No, you didn't ramble at all. That's all pertinent information.
How much thought have you put into what would have
happened to you if you wouldn't have called on Jesus
to save you.
Speaker 1: I don't think that any physical I don't know, because
I actually do know people who have been physically harmed
in situations like that, just a gash or a slash
or something. But I think what could have happened is
it could have marked me with a deeper level of
insecurity and fear. I don't think it could have eaten me.
I think that's what it liked me to think. You know,
it's going to tear me apart or something. But I
don't believe that that's that. I think that inciting fear
is their biggest kick, and maybe I would have left
a little bit marked with fear, afraid to sleep, afraid
of what could get me afraid of the dark. But
it didn't work that way for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness for that. One of the hot topics
when it comes to dog men is this whole what
are they question? How sure are you that what came
into your bedroom that night wasn't some flesh and blood
creature that was able to hop dimensions and that's how
it gained entry into your house versus being a true
supernatural being from Hell.
Speaker 1: You know, A good question, Okay. I think, first of all,
I don't think that any of these beings are in
Hell yet, that's reserved for another time in the future.
So I do believe they're cast into a different The
Bible talks about it as the heavenly, so there's different realm,
a realm above our realm, an invisible realm. I think
it's possible that they can possess. As I've said before,
I've seen people possessed and worked with them to set
them free. I think that they want a body or
something to inhabit in order to experience this world that
they no longer can because they've lost their flesh and blood,
but I think that they can take on forms. I
won't say I'm an authority on that, but I've also
seen them affect people. I've seen people shift their physicality
even while praying for them. So I really don't know. Yeah,
I think that they that you know, they Yeah, I
don't know. So I think that they have the ability
to have a physicality or in the appearance of a
physicality to us. But they they, they definitely have more.
We're more confined to the realm of the natural, or
what we would call the physical. I think that God
has kind of limited us to see all the things
that like he talks about a veil over our eyes
that pardon that were veiled in the sense that we're
confined in our spiritual sight to what we see in
this realm for a reason that God wants us to
choose him and to walk with him. It's kind of
like being in the garden of Eden and saying, here,
this is the stuff that you can participate in, pardon,
but just don't touch this one tree. And I think
that we're curious about that tree, and many of us,
and even I did kind of experienced, you know, going
trying to pierce the veil or make a portal or
have a look on the other side. But then when
you do that, it gives it access back to you.
Speaker 2: You're the perfect person to ask this next question. I'm
asked this or not really asked this, but people share
this opinion with me all the time. That's why i
wanted to bring this up with you, because I'm far
from qualified to answer this. You've got this group over
here who they know about dog men, and they know
at least something it would appear about religion. Well, if
I had a nickel for every time someone told me
that if dog men are demons, they can't be demons
in other words, because you see them without them occupying
a body. I've been told countless times that demons cannot manifest.
They can possess a body that's here on earth and
possess it, but they cannot just manifest. What would you
say to any of the who knows how many people
who have told me that, Well.
Speaker 1: Boy, Vic, you're you're asking the deep questions, the one
that has a lot to it. I think that we
have a very narrow view if we think there's just demons,
So there's also fallen angels and other creatures. And so
I think that if you think just demons, which according
to you know, some of the other books and writings
that came along with the Dead Sea, which you know,
the Book of Giants, the Book of Enoch and such
and traditions of the Jewish understanding would be the spirits
of those giants or nephelim, which are in the Bible,
which David and Goliath. Many people know that story. Goliath
was a nephelm, so it's a descendant of when the
fun angels came and mixed with humans, which is in
Genesis three and had offspring. And then Jude, a book
in the Bible, also talks about how they they also
and we don't know how, but genetically or some other
way mixed animals and humans and other things. So I
think we got some of these creatures. And then the
Bible talks about the flood, which was intended to wipe
out these kind of.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a word that's not would sound
bad to the young people, but corrupted, corrupted versions of humanity.
And then that's why when Noah was put on the arc,
on the arc, it was because he was pure in
his generation. So here's the last family left that hasn't
been corrupted, and so they wiped him off. But then,
so we have a lot of things kind of in
the in the ether or kind of out there that
we're fighting and con and to know that. Okay, So
if if these spirit beings can't take on physical form,
then in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, we have
angelic beings coming down and meeting with Abraham and having
food with him, and the Angel of the Lord there,
which is an early reference to an apparition or an
appearing of Christ before he became took on human flesh.
So they sat down and had a discussion and a
meal before walking down into Sodom and Gomorrah and then
having the humans there wanting to, you know, mix with them.
So there's an illustration of angelic beings having human form.
So yeah, I think they probably have more abilities and
we do, Like I said, I think we're kind of confined.
So could one of these fallen demonic creatures be able
to take on a form or even take over an animal. Well,
we know in the story when Jesus cast the demons
out of the demoniac that it went into pigs, So
I personally have had an experience. And we did deliverance
over the house after there was a lot of evil
stuff done at our house. That after casting out demons
over the last shed that we did on our property,
hundreds of coyak howled all around us all simultaneously. Like
I was a bizarre experience. So yeah, I can't say
I know everything, but I think Vick, that's a very
good question to really think about.
Speaker 2: Well, there are so many questions about these guys. Just
makes your head's been. My opinion is, when we're talking
about dog men, we're not talking about just one thing.
I was spoken with, Yeah, thousands upon thousands of credible
i wisitnesses, And when you do what I do for
any period of time, it's only natural that you bounce
back and forth from being convinced they must be flesh
and blood creatures. They're just out there trying to scratch
out a living, no pun intended, And then before you
know it, you speak with so many credible eyewitnesses who
report things to point soundly towards them being supernatural beings,
because if they were flesh and blood creatures with no
special abilities, how could they do this? How could they
do that? And then there's a possibility that maybe they're
aliens because there's so many credible eyewitnesses who have seen
UFOs right after they have their encounter or right before
the encounter. So I guess that's not the end of
the classifications as possible that nowadays we have test tube
dog men that were made in a government lab some place.
I mean, it just makes your head spin the possibilities
of what they could be. Are you open to the
possibility that there's more than one kind of dog man
like I just laid out, or do you think all
dog men fit into that spiritual category?
Speaker 1: Oh? I absolutely agree with you, Vic. I think there's
lots of different things. So my encounter was spiritual that
was able to manifest in a sort of a fleshy way.
But the Bible also talks about a culmination of time
that was called is called the Last Days, and it
says it will be like the days of Noah. And
in those days, if that's true that they were practiced
practicing genetic abominations, then I think we're at that place again.
I think that dog men aren't the only creatures they're
possibly playing with. And I think that they're preparing for
whatever they think would be another another battle, another another time.
So yeah, I that there's possibly flesh and blood things.
Those would scare me the most because, like I said, spiritually,
I think we have the authority in Christ. But even though,
like I have, I have had some run ins with
actual cougars and actual animals that again just kind of
standing there and commanding them to go. It wasn't easy,
but they did leave and I was okay. But I
think I'm more afraid of the natural because they don't
necessarily they do have free of wills, so they don't
necessarily have to obey everything that happens, and maybe that's
why they're focusing on that too. So yeah, I think
there's there's room for other things. I think that, and
this is just my opinion and it could certainly be off,
but I think when we're seeing things that appear like alien,
like I said, I've had these orbs, I've seen them,
and to me that I think that's fallen angelic and
I don't understand it all, but I think it is
alien as in then it's not part of our realm,
but it's able to kind of go back and forth
between one realm and the other.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not lost on you that there are
people who say that aliens are just demons. What do
you say about that? Is that accurate?
Speaker 1: I don't, like I said, with that whole thing with
the fallen angelic realm, I think there's other creatures besides demons.
I think there's other fallen entities. I think, like I
wouldn't say Satan is a demon, He's an angel that fell.
The Seraphim are described as having you know, different, almost
what we would call animalistic looks, So I can't tell
you with any authority. I don't think they're benevolent. Let
me just put it that way. Whatever appears, I don't
think it will be benevolent. Yeah, that makes two of
them would appear that.
Speaker 2: I've heard about sasquatch doing things that could almost be
considered to be alltruistic, but as far as dog men go,
I haven't really heard of any such things happening. I
guess there was that one woman who years ago, she
was at this concert and since all the porta potties
were being used that had huge lines leading up to them,
there was a tree line way over in the distance,
so she headed over to the tree line to take
care of business. Well, unfortunately there were several men over
there that tried to do you know what. Well, a
dog man actually came to her aid and well it
talked the guys out of trying to do that. I'll
just leave it at that. But yeah, I mean, that
really is the only altruistic thing I can think of
over the years that anyone's ever told me about a
dog man doing. Now, why it did that to those guys,
I don't know. If it was trying to be of
help to her, to rescue her, I don't know. It
might have done that for some other reasons, but sure
does make you wonder. Sure does seem like it had
her well being in mind when it did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also think that, you know, like God,
can you know again as my faith and I just
want to clarify, like this are my faith, and nobody
has to believe what I believe. I'm just kind of
sharing from my perspective. But my perspective is that God
still is in control of everything, even fallen creatures, and
could use anything to protect somebody in any way that
he wants to. So that wouldn't mean they're good or bad.
I don't think that really matters. I think that well,
I guess maybe it does. I may not be phrasing
that right, but yeah, an Old Testament prophet called bears
the out of the woods to protect him to attack
a band of roving troublemaker. So yeah, so I wouldn't
I wouldn't say that. I think there's more to probe.
I can't say that I've researched this entirely, but I
would like to do more. Like the one of the
tribes that David fought was called line headed Men, and
even one of his mighty men were from that tribe.
So is there not you know, is I think that
there's a good part of our history that's been eradicated
that might have been a lot more fascinating than what
we know right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there just might be a lot of things we
don't know about that did happen. That's a good point.
It is that dogged me an encounter in the spiritual attacks,
that's not it. With regards to the frightening experiences you've
had from what I understand, Yeah, two very frightening experiences
that happened to you when you're a camping that were
I guess about three years apart. Please tell us about
what happened with those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had this happen twice and I really don't
know how to define what happened, but I can tell
you my experience. So one of them was on a
missions trip up to the Yukon where I am right now.
I ran a Bible college and we took a team
up and we've had had a lot of troubles on
that whole trip. We had a great opportunity to meet
people and to bless people. But we stopped at a
campground on the way back, and there was just a
weird vibe, like you could just feel it even when
we pulled up. And so we camp We put tent
for girls in a tent for boys, big tents, and
pulled up in this spot and in the middle of night,
somewhere around three am, all of a sudden, there was
just the sound of like a wind and branches breaking,
but in a weird circle, like it wasn't affecting our tent.
This is the strange thing. Didn't affect our tent, but
it was like round and around us and branches breaking
and sounding like stomping, and like what what kind of
like wildlife is and this is not this is a campground,
so this isn't just out in the woods camping, but
it is on the side the highway and it is
about two fifty kilometers in either direction from a town,
so it is out there. But yeah, just kept going
and we all will kept quite afraid, like this doesn't
feel right. So we could all hear each other and
we're just like, let's pray. So we began to pray
and pray for a while and it took so it
took some time, but eventually it slowed down. And then
when we got up in the morning, like we prayed
enough that we were comfortable to go to sleep in
the morning in this campground is you know, there's sort
of like gravel campgrounds and a little picnic table over there,
and my bus I drove a bus and in the
woods all the way around in a circle around us
and for some ways out I don't know how long
how large it was, but it wasn't all encompassing the campground,
but all the branches were down and it just looked
like something had like a whirlwind had gone around us,
but not a branch on or a twig or a
leaf or anything all around our tents, like completely bare ground.
So I'm like, what was that. I don't know what
that was, but it felt like a spiritual attack in
some way. So yeah, maybe one of your viewers just
had something like that too, or one of your listeners.
But yeah, And then that happened one other time when
I was with a girlfriend and I was rock climbing
on Vancouver Island and we went camping in a place
called the Heathens Campground, which whatever. There was a group
of lovely people that really liked to promote rock climbing
and pot smoking that just kind of was out there.
And I was with a friend who was, you know,
not a believer or and we were out there just
enjoying ourselves having rock climbing, but we can't just kind
of aside from them, random camp in the woods, and
exactly the same thing. It was around just around three
in the morning. I think it was like two fifty
eight or something, because I remember looking at what time
is it, and the same thing, just the like noise
of stomping and crashing and branches breaking all around us
in a circle. And she was in a tent right
next to mine, And again I woke up with that
sense of fear, like, what's going on. That's not normal?
You know, it's not humans. It's definitely too heavy, and
I thought, what, you know, couldn't be the heathens coming
over the group and hanging out. They were really nice people,
so like, what's going on? And I just felt this
is spiritual. So I began to pray again and my
friend in the next tent, I think she kind of
woke up and she's like, what is that? And I said,
I don't know, I think it spiritual. I'll pray, And
she was in a believer or she's like, okay, like
you got me covered, I'll go back to sleep. So
we prayed and again it stopped, and this time same thing.
Like it was bushy. So I won't say there wasn't
anything down, but there was. The damage was in a
circle outside. I'd say, like, I don't know, ten feet
outside of our tents, in a circumference away from our tents,
and then you can see all the damage but no footprints,
know nothing, just broken branches and disturbed foliage.
Speaker 2: With regards to those two experiences, how would you rate
them as far as the fear factor compared to your dog,
meaning count.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good fear factor. Yeah, freaky when
that's happening, not just because of like the sounds, but
because you're vulnerable in a tent. If trees are falling
like that's that's a big danger. No trees are actually well,
actually I think at the other camp ground up north
there were some small trees that had fallen. But yeah,
you're vulnerable if trees are going to fall.
Speaker 2: You sure are. In my opinion, one of the worst
things about being in a tent with something like that's
going on, when you have an actor outside that possibly
means you harm is you don't know where they are
at any given time unless you can actually hear them,
but they know where you are, so that gives them
every advantage. And then of course you really have no
protection whatsoever from those thin walls. So it's really a
bad situation. Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just a burrito.
Speaker 2: You are, You definitely are. It gets me, you know,
there are I don't know that I would say it's
like the new thing, but there are more and more
sasquatch researchers now who instead of camping intents, they camp
in hammocks because they can see better, and they're a
lighter to carry in. Mark Newbill he and Larry Porch
the third, those guys, they are the first two I
heard of that headed into the woods and did that.
They go deep, They go really deep into the woods.
So with that in mind, they're really mindful about what
they want to carry in with them. But I guess,
on one hand, if you're sleeping in a hammock, you
can see better. You can see what's going on around
you much better than if you're in a tent. But
I don't know the idea of laying there up high.
It's easier to grab you when you're up in the
air like that for one of these things, and when
you're laying on the ground, they don't have to bend over.
But I don't know if that's a better thing or
a worse thing sleeping in a tent. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know either. I mean, I go to
remote places to hiking camp too, but I have not
run into anything. But I pray every time I go out,
please Lord keep away anything that wants to eat me
or scare me. I just need to relax. I want
to enjoy my life out here, so I've seen bears,
and I've seen wolves and cougars and what have you.
But never, never on my camping trips have I had
any scary experience. I mean, I'm from Vancouver Island, so
I have definitely heard of people encountering sasquatch, but I
haven't yet as far as I know, unless those experiences
were that being But I like not seeing what's happening.
I've had bear sniff me, I've had bull sniff my
head right when I'm sleeping. Like, I'm glad I don't
see you right now. I'm not worried about you, but
I don't want to see your face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it's better not to know. Sometimes it's better
not to see. I get it, Yeah, I really do.
And for anyone listening who's wondering, why did VIC bring
an eyewitness on or a guest on who didn't actually
see a dog man when they had their encounter, Well,
if you listen to all these fascinating things that we're
talking about tonight here with Lisa, that's your answer. That's
all the answer you need right there. So, yeah, she's
really impressive. On Vancouver Island, that's where you said you're
born and raised you're really adventurous. Oh you weren't born
and raised there, I'm sorry, Okay, yeah, sorry about that.
Speaker 1: Makes sure. I was born in North Vancouver, raised in
a really small town in the Caribou so on one
hundred and sixty acres on pretty much horseback. I was
a cowgirl, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: If moving there, well you've lived some pretty places. I
like that. Yeah, Vancouver Island, that's like my dream place
to live. So and I'll be moving soon, so I'm
not going to pull that off moving to Vancouver Island,
but I'm sure it would be nice. But if anyone
listening hasn't picked up on it yet, Lisa is very adventurous.
I mean she gets out and she does things. Between
the camping and the hiking and all these things. Traveling
with that in mind present day. Because of your faith,
do you head into the woods out into the wilderness
alone ever or you're always with somewhere?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do. I love being out in the woods.
I mean it does scare me. I'm not going to
pretend I'm not scared, like and I'm a bit of
an idiot sometimes, Like I did go random camping by
myself and I walked into the woods and I ended
up being on a bear highway and thought, no, this
isn't good. So I went somewhere else and I was
camping at night and I heard the sound of this
beautiful night bird I'd never heard before. So I was
out of my tent looking all around for it, but
I couldn't see it. Later on, I looked up that
bird sound and it was the chirping of a cougar.
So I stay in my tent now. Am I try
and go with somebody? But yeah, I've been to fly
in fly out pikes. I've hiked to almost in every
trail there is on Vancouver Island on the coast I've done,
so I enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's great. Now you've had all these experiences, most
notably the one with the dog man. Whenever you hit
out into the bush like that, are you always looking
around for dog men? The next dog man behind this tree?
You're that tree? Or do you seldom think about it?
Speaker 1: No? I'm and I think I need to process a
little more. Maybe the bigfoot experience but not mine, But
just like should that happen? But I don't feel like
I do feel that when things are spiritually motivated. The
power that God has given to all believers is far
greater than what they have. So I feel safe. I
feel protected by God, covered by God. It's you know,
it's the natural ones that have that I probably are
more worried about. Yeah, like like humans. I have been
attacked by a man, but I did manage to get
free by just saying no, I'm a child of God
and you can't touch me. It wasn't easy, but so
I guess I rely on God a lot for my
safety and I also feel that and this is not
to be a fatalist, but should something happened to me,
then I will accept that as well. But I'd rather
not live in fear. I want to live in the
fullness of life. And should I have a traumatic ending,
it's better not to anticipate that and just live it
if it happens. Does that make sense, Yeah, that does
make sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, with as much life as you have
ahead of you, you've got a lot of things to
do still, and that's exciting. It really would be a
shame if you just became a shud away, now that
you know what's really out there in the dark places.
If you became a shud away and didn't live your
life and wasted all of the years in front of you.
That would be horrible. And that's something I tell well
with kid gloves. I tell eyewitnesses that, I mean, if
you have a traumatic encounter, you're not ready to just
dive into the woods right away. That's why I tell eyewitnesses,
you know, baby steps, take your time when you're ready,
take some small steps towards getting back into the woods
the safe way, because dogmen aren't the only thing out
there that could possibly harm you. But I've proven on
several well I've said, I should say on several occasions
that the numbers clearly show that dog men are not
wired to rip you apart as soon as the opportunity
presents itself. Can they be dangerous? Oh yeah, but it's
not like they're wired to do that necessarily. But yeah,
I mean, I'm just glad, I'm tickled pink to hear
that you do live life. You go out and you
enjoy the woods in the wilderness. That's how it should be.
It really should be that way. Here's something that I
was kind of on the fence about bringing up with you.
But when I'm unsure about something I like to fall
back onto my values and what matters most to me
is the truth. So I'm gonna put this out there
for you because it is the truth, and I think
you'd want to know about this, because obviously the truth
that means a lot to you as well. What I'm
getting out hear, Lisa is I've spoken with people who
have rebuked dog men with success, and I've spoken with
people who didn't have success when they rebuke the dog man.
So with that knowledge hearing that, does that mean that
definitively that the dog men that didn't respond to being rebuked,
Does that mean they weren't an evil entity an evil
spirit because the rebuking didn't work. Or could that be
due to a lack of faith from the person trying
to rebuke them.
Speaker 1: That's another good question, Vick. And I was ready for
this one because I have listened to some of your
people talk about that using the name of Jesus and
it works and it doesn't work. And I'm gonna reference
a scripture so people can look it up if they
want to. But it's Acts nineteen thirteen to twenty, and
it's the story about some Jewish exorcists that heard about
you know that these new disciples, and after this is
acts is kind of like the time after Jesus resurrection.
The disciples are going out and spreading the good news.
And so these Jewish exorcists had heard about how you know,
demonic entities are just kind of crying out and leaving
people when the disciples are praying for them. And they
hadn't had that kind of success in that way, so
they they try to use the name of Jesus. In fact,
it's quoted as saying they said, in the name of
Jesus whom Paul preaches, so sort of like you know
that Jesus, because there were more than one Jesus, like
that was a common name, so you know, in the
name of Jesus whom Paul preaches. They tried to cast
out the demons, and these are the seven sons of Skiva.
There's seven sons the demonic inside the person said to them, Jesus,
I know, Paul, I know, but who are you so
and then proceeded to beat them up and strip them naked.
So they went running bloodied and naked down and they
were humiliated, but it caused people to believe in Jesus
more like so I think there's a difference between just
using that name because you heard it somewhere and because
you maybe give mental assent to the fact that Jesus
might be a power greater than what you're encountering, and
the difference is knowing him personally, like Okay, like he's
my friend, I've talked to him, we have a relationship,
and I believe that you can do things. And Jesus
speaks quite a few times about how our faith, like
the woman who was heal this as your faith has
made you well. So that doesn't put the onus on
us to like be really mighty in our faith, but
rather that we really have to like know what we're believing,
like we have to have read the Bible ourselves. I
have heard, uh, I think on your podcast in the
past people who've come out to like do cleansing of
houses and they do ritual lets get ritualistic things, which
I don't think rituals save us. I think it's just
really like really knowing who who Jesus is, like who
he is, and how much he loves us and how
much he'll protect us, and that much powerry has and
not just thrown out a name like Oh yeah, like
I know Vic, so like literally, Vick, I haven't seen
your face, so I don't think I can name drop
with you. But but it's kind of you know, So
there's that aspect, and I also think, yeah, possibly there's
sometimes you're actually fighting with something much and blood and
you might have to take a different approach. Does that
sound clear?
Speaker 2: That does? Yeah. You've got a bad habit of making
really good points and good sense. Do you know that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You? Oh my god.
Speaker 2: You can take complicated subjects and you explain them in
such clear ways. It's a gift. I'm impressed. I really am.
Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 1: Because I'm simple myself. Pick I just need a simple answer.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's a great quality to have. It really
is well for anyone listening. If you have any questions
you want me to ask Lisa. If you're in the
live chat and have any questions you want me to
ask her, then please go ahead and type them post
them in all caps for me. Whoops, that's an alarm
on my end that just went off. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I'm all right.
Speaker 2: Nothing like live radio, but yeah, if you type your
questions you want me to ask Lisa in all caps,
then I'll be looking through the comments and I'll ask
that question or those questions of her Lisa, moving forward,
do you have a desire to actually see a dog
man when you go out and you're in the woods,
you're in the wilds or are you good now that
you've had all these experiences?
Speaker 1: Well maybe it's my nature big but like even up here,
I drive pretty remote areas and I've heard of different
sightings of Bigfoot here and other things, and I'm like,
I cautiously in my conversations with God, will say, Okay,
I kind of want to see one, but if you
think it's better I don't, then okay with that, but
please let it be from a safe place like my
car zizzing by. So I can't help the curiosity, I
guess a little bit, but I don't want to be
I am also open to like, don't let me do
anything that's just dumb, Like you know that I don't
want I'm not going searching for something. But at the
same time, I'm curious, Like I'm curious about Bigfoot. Honestly,
there's so many stories and so many encounters. I'm curious
about what their point is. And even with the dog man,
like I don't want them to be anything here, but
I'm curious to see what my reaction would be if
I see the flesh and blood thing out in the wilderness.
I'm just I'm a curious person. So I guess my
answer is yeah, sort of.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, like I tell people, be careful what you
wish for, huh exactly? Yeah, definitely. I guess it all
depends on what kind of an encounter you have if
you do have another one, right, but you never do know? Well,
the first question on deck for you is from Dale
Mansfield and Dale wants to know Lisa approximately word did
your encounter happen? Sorry if I missed that?
Speaker 1: Oh which one? The one in my bedroom?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, that would have been in a town in Canada
called Colonna.
Speaker 2: Colonna, Okay, I see, Well that answers that one. The
next one on deck is from Necroymonican and they want
to know can a dog man be possessed?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I can't. I cannot say that I am
able to answer that with any kind of authority. I
have no idea, but I would say that A if
they are a a genetic combination of something fallen in,
something animal and something human, I think they already are
kind of possessed with a a DNA that isn't isn't good?
Do I think they're redeemable? I have no idea. Anything
that may have some humanity in it I think is redeemable.
I can so other than that, are they actually just
demonic things? About? Demonic things? Are demonic things? That's just
their personality. So it depends on what form and what happens.
And yeah, I mean there I think there might be,
you know, dog men. Then then I don't know. And
like I said, that genetic might indicate something.
Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. How should I put this?
I guess I'll put some more thought into how to
ask that question so it's clear, and I'll get to
that in a bit here. This next question is from
Stephen Toll and Steven wants to know do you think
something made a protection circle around your friends?
Speaker 1: Oh? Good question, Stephen. Yeah, I do, Like I think,
I do believe because I also, you know, because I've
been talking a fair bit about the fallen angelic realm,
I also believe in the angelic realm as in those
who serve God still and as far as we know,
they outnumber the fallen so because in a situation that
happened in my family with it was a legitimate windstorm,
nothing demonic, but just a windstorm. And I lived in
a little single wide trailer right nestled in massive trees
and trees were falling all over, and so my children
were terrified and we just prayed God protect us. And
one of my daughters and said, I feel like angels
are standing like with protecting us, and I'm like, okay,
there's nothing we can do. We just have to trust that.
And a couple hours later when it cleared, there was
not a branch on our property again, like literally our
property line. My neighbor next door had seven trees fall
in our house. So I believe in the angelic realm
to protect me. I've seen it at work when in deliverance,
when somebody was transforming or changing, and I asked the
angelic realm to help me, and I saw that person
get locked into their chair invisible like as if invisible
hands held that person down. Nothing. There was five men
in that room. They couldn't hold them down. But so
I believe in the angelic realm and the pot and
that ability to protect us as well.
Speaker 2: Well. Like I told you before a couple of times.
I really do like the way you think. I'm impressed.
I am. Here's the perfect question to ask you because
of your qualifications and knowledge. Unfortunately, there's no lack of
people I've spoken with who live in situations where they
deal with these things on a regular basis. And with
that in mind, if these are evil spirits, evil entities
that we're dealing with here from Hell, I'm sure a
lot of these people would like to know what is
their main goal? What would the main goal of a
dog man that is an evil spirit, an evil entity
from hell? What is their main goal, the reason, the
main reason behind why they are doing what they are
doing on a continual basis to torment these people.
Speaker 1: Oh, good question again. Well, first of all, I just
want to say there's been so many times I've heard
people testify that they have sought the church for help
and they didn't get anything. And that breaks my heart
because I would be there in a heartbeat if if
I had the money to fly around and just help
people out. Like I along with a few friends of mine,
prayed over a whole hotel that was that was haunted
and long story there another episode, but it was completely
cleaned out of dark, demonic presences. So Bible tells us
that the devil is like a roaring line seeking whom
he may devour, and that his goal in his just
just an entity filled with hatred, and is to rob, kill,
and destroy. Those are the three things. So rob you
of your peace, destroy your happiness, all those things. That's
kind of his just. It's just like an angry, horrible
entity that just wants to see your life destroyed. I
do believe there might be some jealousy, and that you
are loved by God. You're in the image of your creator.
You have the option of turning to him and having
redemption or salvation, where the fallen angels were told did
not have that, and the Bible says that they long
to look into these things and they can't. So I
think that fallen ones who have got judgment waiting for them,
would love nothing better than to get at our God
by damaging his children or harming him or hurting them
or whatever. But God turns all things to good. So
like you said with this dog man incident and others,
that he has turned that to good. He has allowed
those things if we trust in him to turn it
into a good, good thing for us, and the whole
story of Job is very similar to that. Again another episode,
so I won't go into that.
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, we could have another show on that, couldn't
we probably? Yeah, we probably could. What's about time for
us to get out of here, Lisa, But before we do,
do you have any clothes and comments you'd like to
put out there for us?
Speaker 1: I think the one thing I didn't I hit on
but I didn't really talk enough about is that fear
that is paralyzing. It's just again my feeling is that
that's something they radiate and it helps you to kind
of I think, move forward when you're paralyzed with that
fear is just to be able to say that's not mine,
get out of here, like that's you, that's your smell,
as I put it in quotes, because I call it
a smell. I have no other way to Like, they
do smell bad too, but that's because if a fear
comes on you that's irrational, like there's no real reason
for this. That's usually their presence nearby, and that's their
feeling and it doesn't have to be yours. So whether
you believe in Jesus or not, I do believe that
he has the power, but also just being cognizant of
that that you know, that's on them, Like, once they're gone,
it's gone, right unless you choose to hang on to
a bit of it and carry it with you, Like
what if that happens again? Or what was that? Just
like no, it came in the room, it brought its
fear with it, and then it's gone in it or
in the woods, it comes close, it brings its fear,
but when it's gone, the fear is gone. That's them,
that's on them.
Speaker 2: Lise, I can't thank you enough for coming on and
dropping all this knowledge on us. I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic. You're very kind host, and I appreciate
you and your people and your followers and your podcast.
I'd listened to it all the time, So thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome, of course, thank you so
much for your time. And I don't know how I
could but down the road if I can ever help
you somehow some way, please do let me. Okay, thank you,
Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much for your time,
and have a great night.
Speaker 1: All right, good night, thank you.
Speaker 2: Well that's it for another one. Another one in the books,
so that everyone listening knows. To give you a quick
update on Joe. As far as the whole demonic entity,
the incubus issue, it seems like that is in hand now.
I guess that's probably the best way I can put it.
That's maybe not the best way to frame it. But
the morning after that show aired, the Update Show with
Joyce with Joe, Reverend contacted me and I basically put
him into contact with Joe, and after doing that, he
has been a huge help. He's got a team that
specializes in this type of thing that Joe is suffering through.
And yeah, things really seem to be coming together on
that issue. As far as our housing issue goes, we're
still working on that to get that resolve, but the
DA made some recommendations on who to contact in her area,
and it seems like that party has an interest in
getting that issue with her housing resolved. So of course,
I'll keep you updated is all this plays out, so
that you know what's going on with her. But like
I told you before, I can't thank you enough for
all of your recommendations and for all of your help
when it comes to Joe. I really do appreciate it.
But having said that, if you've had a dogman encounter
of your own and would like to get help dealing
with it, all I have to do is just go
to Dogmanecounters dot com and submit a report. If you
do that, then I'll contact you to schedule a film consultation.
If you'd like to be a guest on the show,
it's the same thing. Just go to Doggingandecounters dot com
and submit a report and I'll be in touch. But
having said that, thanks against much for listening everyone. I
really do appreciate it, and of course have a great weekend.