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Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about

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their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion

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over this small binning fragment of solar drift woods, which,

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by chance or design, man has inherited out of the

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dark mystery of time and face.

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Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Fray, Iwall called Matt

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on with me, and yes, he has a creeper behind.

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Speaker 3: Him, and that is a big Bigfoot and he is

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down in Texas.

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Speaker 2: So we are talking about uh, well sometimes you call

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him boogers down in Texas too, right, the old boggers. Yeah,

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and we are uh he's recording outside because that's his

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best connection. So you're gonna hear a couple of birds

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chirping and things in the background.

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Speaker 3: And that's okay because that's just real life.

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Speaker 2: Not everybody can sit exactly where they want to sit

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to have this conversation with the weird girl.

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Speaker 3: So Matt, welcome on the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Sammon.

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Speaker 2: All right, so you know I have to ask first

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why why Bigfoot?

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Speaker 3: Why did you get into Bigfoot? Have you always been

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into Bigfoot?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 3: Did you see the legend? I hear it a lot.

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You write you hear too.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I watched a legend of Boggy Creek, and that's

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where I got bitten by the Bigfoot bug.

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Speaker 3: But what where'd you get your bite from?

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Speaker 4: Now? And I did watch a legend of Bogie Creek,

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I've seen it a few times, but that didn't start it.

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Bigfoot wasn't really on my map. We all knew what

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it was, but we'd heard about it of course growing

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up and then, but it wasn't on my It wasn't

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on my radar. On May twentieth, twenty nineteen, at nine

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thirty five am, down below Abilene, Texas, close to Common, Texas,

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go to the town north of there called Silver Valley,

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coming from Abilene heading south down to Coombe on Highway

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eighty four that day that morning. And mind you, this

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is a clear, bright Sunday morning, hot, muggy morning. These

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are important when when I go on with this, all

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of a sudden south that was on a Monday morning,

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on Saturday morning, the host in Angelo area, Abilene, Texas,

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we had tornado warnings all over down here, big big

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super sales part of San Angelo actually got hit the

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Bradford School District area to some homes and then they

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kept moving on. I was just watching the reports, keeping

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up with it on TV, you know, like we do.

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And I remember, and it moved on north northeast and

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it got to Ballinger, Texas, and it hit Ballinger, Texas

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in two separate areas of that little town, kept going

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east northeast. When it got closer to Silver Valley, storm

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reporters had reported a large wedge tornado possibly on the

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ground near Silver Valley, Texas. Well. I had been that

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way many times in the past because I was a

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fuel hauler eighteen wheeler back then. I did that trip

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from Avelane down down to Common many times. I knew

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exactly what Silver Valley was, and I was just praying

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for everybody out there in that community, you now, well.

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On Sunday evening, I called my dispatch in Midland, Texas

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just to find out what's my first load for Monday,

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to get my week started. And it was just a ritual,

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and they said, you're going to leave San Angelo and

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you're gonna drive to Abilene, get a load of fuel,

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take it down to Coman. And I was like, Okay,

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then I was going to go back to Abilene, get

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some more fuel, and head back towards the San Angelo area,

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and then we'd go from there the rest of my

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work day. They're just typical, you know. And I said, okay,

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and I hung up, and I thought, oh, man, I'm

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going to go buy a silver valley in the morning.

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I'm going to look for tornado damage. And that's what

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I was doing channing. I loaded the fuel in Abilene,

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headed down toward Comban, and got about two thirds of

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the way there. Sure enough, I came over. I'm looking

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for the tornado damage. I'm looking up in the hills

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and I'm looking up into big thick trees and it

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really gets to stick down in that area out in

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this part of central Texas. I happened to come over

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the rise. This is this small rise on the highway

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I noticed up there, and I've been back many times.

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to the road, I thought I saw a black bull there.

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I thought it was a black bull. I took note

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of it and whatever, and kept going. I'm looking up

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in the trees and looking up in the hills, looking

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for a tornado damage. Man, that's what we do. We

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all get amped up to see the power of nature,

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right and I looked back and you're going to ad

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mind you, this whole event lasted less than a minute.

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I've been back so many times, and I've timed it

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in the distance and everything that we do. I look

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back at this bull, this black bull. It moved from

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left to right about six or eight feet, and it

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did it in a really, really weird way. It kind

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of had a wobble to it, kind of like an undulation,

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and it stopped, went six or eight feet and stopped.

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somebody's big six up, seven hundred pound fried black hog

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his bout. And I looked up in the hills and

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the trees again looking for damage. And I looked back

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at this black hog, and but now it's walking, and

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I thought immediately, I thought, oh, it's a guy. You know,

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it's a big dude, But it's a guy, because he's

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walking from left to right. He's walking west. I looked

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back at the highway. You know, you always checking the highway,

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so you stay in your lane. Looked up in the

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hills and the trees gown, and I'm getting closer mind you.

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I'm getting closer and just a few hundred yards from

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what I thought was just a big guy. And I

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did a double take, and I thought, what is he

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doing wearing an arctic suit like what you'd wear in

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a North Powar or the South Pole. This is May twentieth,

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twenty nineteen. Tornado came through this area two days earlier.

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It was one of those mornings that Monday morning. It

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was hot, it was muggy, there was no breeze. I

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remember nabling loading fuel. There's nothing to it. But I

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got out of the I got out of my truck.

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He just starts sweating. It was one of those days,

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and I thought, what is doing wearing an arctic sit

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back at him, and I'm closing distance. I'm starting to

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get a really good look at him, and I realized

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that's that's not a guy. That's not a man. And

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he's walking. He's he never ran, he was walking with

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a purpose, and this guy was massive. The closer I got,

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everything came into perspective and my brain was just going crazy.

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out your cell phone and video and your brain. It

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doesn't work like that, not in those moments. Not in

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those moments. It was really quick. It was powerful, it

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was it was it was. It was intimidating to know

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what is that. And I'm watching him and I'm getting

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a good look at his right side. I'm heading south.

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He's walking through this lime green grass heading for a

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tree line, having gone back. That tree line is about

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seventy five yards from the highway, okay, and he's just

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on he's walking with a purpose. He's got that little

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forward leane to him. He's pissed, got caught. He got

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caught out in the open. And the reason I say

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he was pissed is because when I originally first came

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over that little rise on the highway to where this

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thing was, he was just on this side of a

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creek that the highway runs over. And from the bottom

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of that highway to that creek bottom, it's about forty

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feet and it's there for like heavy rains and things

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like that. It's not a permanent water source. But on

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the other side of this creek and all of these

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really thick woods, I call him the jungle and I've

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been down their sister and they're dark and they're scary

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and they're thick. When I thought I was looking at

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a black bull. There was also on the other side

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of this creek, no more than one hundred and fifty

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yards from the Bigfoot, was a flashing light like on

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a sawhorse, like a road crew has. And after this

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event happened and I went by that flashing light, I

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remember there were three or four guys wearing their vests,

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their work vest and that, and they had a white

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pickup the little trailer and that trailer had a woodchiper

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on it. And then of course, in hindsight, I'm thinking

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they were there to clean up to breathe from the

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storm on Saturday. That probably got pushed to the side

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of the highways. But anyway, back to the side of

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so you got to remember this crew on the other side,

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because that's important. He's walking and he's pissed. And what

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happened is I think when I came over the rise

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on that highway, he was squatted down, had his back

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to me. This Monday morning at nine thirty five am,

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there was hardly no traffic on this little highway from

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Abilene to Coleman, and his attention was on that work curt.

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He couldn't see them through the jungle of there. You

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couldn't see where they were, but he could hear them.

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I think he heard me, and he tried to get

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down in the grass going back there. That grass was

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over my knee, barely over my knee. I think he

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tried to lay down. And when he moved six or

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eight feet and stopped, I know what he had to

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have done. He did a spider cross. He was trying

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to hide in the grass. I'm coming. He can hear me,

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and he knew the grass wasn't tall enough, and he

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got pizzed and he got up and started walking. I

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didn't see him stand up, but the next time I look,

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he was walking, and I thought it was just, you know,

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a guy and a big guy. Anyway, at some point

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he stepped over a four foot privacy offence that divided

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some property there. I never saw him do that because

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I kept looking at the highway and never saw that.

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of travel to the tree line. I've said this, I've

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said just to a lot of people, and I'll always

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it and I'll always feel it to me. He was

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mad and he was upset, and he had an attitude.

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He had that forward lean and he was huge. This

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guy was massive. I've said it, and I don't mean

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any disrespect, I never will. But it's like he had

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severe mental retardation. And I say that because if we

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walk into a big old Walmart supercenter on one end

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through the double doors and you look down to the

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other end and there's a young adult or whatever down

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there and he's had severe mental retardation, we know that

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we don't have to go down there. We know that

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that or so has mental retart. Well, he had that

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aura about him. Does that make sense because that's what

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I felt. Okay, people have asked me, do you think

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he projected that at you? Now? Now, this was just

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he got caught in the open and he didn't get

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his way, and he had that walk about him and

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that attitude, and you could sense it. You could sense

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it right side his head. His head was big. I mean,

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like I said, an arctic suit. You know, the impression

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you see with people wearing those artic suits. So he

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did have a large head and I would say, easily

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bigger than a basketball. It had to be, and he

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had hair on it. It was kind of jacked up

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and messed up. Jet black. This thing was jet black.

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I never saw his feet, the grass was too deep,

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but from head to grass he was jet black. And

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that grass was almost a lime green color. May twentieth,

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twenty nineteen, and he popped. The sun just had him

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lit up like he was in a spotlight. I got

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so much look at him. His arms, his arms, His

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arms were bigger than my chest. They were massive. His

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legs were bigger than his arms from back to chest.

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And these numbers and these sizes I'm giving you. I'm

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going to my grave with them. It's an image you

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can't get out of your head. And so this is

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without embellishing how I describe him, when I've always described

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him the same from day one. My family and friends

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and brother and said, they'll tell you the story end, James.

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And you know it's the thing about the truth, you

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can always tell it the same every time. From his

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back to his chest, he was at least two and

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a half feet thick. Shannon, this was a big, bigfoot man,

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arms bigger than my chest, His forearms. I've talked about this.

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His forearms looked weird, big, and in hindsight, he had

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big fearms. But he brought the hair, probably hanging from it,

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like so many people described. From where I was and

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where he was, That's probably why his arms looked even bigger,

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and they were big looking at that right side was impressive.

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And as he's walking toward that tree line, and I'm

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coming in the tractor trader and at some point my

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foot came off the gas pedal. You know, remember my

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cruise control was out on this freight liner tractor that

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I had, and the repair crew in San angel just

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hadn't got to it yet, you know. So I was

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having the foot feet that everywhere I went. You go

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four or five hundred miles a day. That sucks, you know,

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having to worked that foot feet. But at some point

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my foot came off of the gas pedal and I

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wasn't even aware of it. I don't really know how

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fast I was going as I passed him, uh fifty

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to fifty five maybe maybe because I'm maybe thousand pounds

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And the grade I was going down wasn't a giant grade.

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It was just a slight grade down toward that creek,

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so I did lose, you know, quite a bit of speed.

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And as I came around, I got a really good

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look at his back and that that stands out to me.

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His muscles were exaggerated and and I do and I

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will always say his shoulders they were. Everybody says that,

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and they're not lying those that have seen them. He

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was every bit of four feet across the shoulders, Shannon.

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He was massive, and he had that hit, that little

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hunch from like the middle of his back forward. I

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think I sent you pictures of the Harvey Hoffman video

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and a lot of us have seen that that only

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this one. He wasn't as hunched over as much as

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in the Harvey Hoffman video. But that jet that jet

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black and the muscles. That's a good image for me

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to pull from in memory that I can relate to

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four foot across the shoulders, his his trap muscles here

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and people talk about it, Uh they did. From out

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at the outside of his shoulders. They came up to

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about where the middle of our ears would be on

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our head. It was stupid. It was cartoonish looking. And

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he had that hunch to him and you could see

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the top of his head. But it said that looked

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that big from behind, But the whole thing from behind

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looked like a small pyramid. And that is how I

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describe it, and that's kind of how I see it.

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It looked like a small pyramid. The hair, the rest

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of the hair on him was probably an inch and

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a half. It wasn't long and scraggly and dreadlock like

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a lot of people talk about. But the hair on

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his head was jacked up. When I saw the right

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side of his face and that profile while he was walking,

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I remember thinking that it had a really small face.

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You know, Bigfoot wasn't on my radar. I thought he

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had a really small face, and it was an ash gray.

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It wasn't a real light gray, and it wasn't a

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real dark gray, but his face looked small. Well. Of course,

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it didn't take me long to figure out that was

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all the hair, and I would just see him part

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of the skin. This guy was so massive, his muscles

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were exaggerated. It looked like somebody took a tire pump

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to a human and just blew him up. I've described

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him as Arnold Schwarzenegger times three, and he was. He

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was huge and it's scary. I'm telling you. The word

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intimidating then immediately went into my head when I saw it.

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Was such a scary thing to see, and it was cartoonish,

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stupid looking, and how in the hell do we not

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know about it? You know these things, And I remember

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thinking after the fact that if I saw this thing

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between Abilene and Come in Texas, these things have got

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to be everywhere, and during my seven years of research,

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they are everywhere. They are more than what people know.

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They're everywhere. And so his shoulders slightly tapered to his waist.

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He had a wide waist, real thick waist. And his

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butt and I've described it. You can't help but see

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his butt. You can see it's fine. You can see

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his butt crack and his butt. You've got to imagine this.

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His butt was as white as if you put two

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horses butts next to each other. This thing was massive,

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and I've described it and always will. People don't call

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me a liar. I really don't care, but I do

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want people to know. And for those that realize what

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these things are or what they can be, you know,

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he was seven and a half eight foot tall, and

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he was nine hundred to one thousand pounds, and I'm

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confident of those numbers. And I say seven and a

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half eight foot tall for sure. When I'm in that

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tractor trailer and you're sitting in one of those and

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you're going down the road, your line of sight, you're

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probably at about the nine foot level off the road, okay,

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And so where I could see him, that would have

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in my brain that puts him at least seven and

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a half eight foot tall at that distance seventy five

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yards when he hit that tree line, that's not that far.

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Go out there, go anywhere and look at it and

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fill it in with a tree line and with grass

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and scrub and whatever, and you'll realize seventy five yards

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isn't as far as what people think. It really isn't.

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Especially going back there like I have, I'm like, oh

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my god, that boy was close. He was close, and

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he had that attitude on one of his steps I've

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described too. I did an interview with Kentucky Bickfoot one

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year ago with Charlie Raymond, and at the beginning of

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March this year, I became an investigator for Kentucky Bickfoot

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because out here in Central Texas, sister I know what

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I'm doing, and I have found them, and we'll talk

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about that. And I found them many times in many tracks,

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many track ways. Six different individuals that I have found

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in less than five years. That's hard to do. Texas

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is a big place and there's a lot of there's

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a lot of area out here. But you go to

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the right areas and you go near documented sighting areas,

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even if they're thirty years old, you documented sighting. So okay,

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that's how I got started, you know, just trying to

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use common sense. You know, where am I going to

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look for them? Because I want to see them again.

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I want to see them. I want to see them

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face on. I've been told Matt, you'd be careful what

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you wish for, dude may not be something you want

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to see, and it is something I want to see.

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I saw the rest of them. I want to see one.

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I want to see one. I want to see what

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people are talking about. I want to see that human elements.

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You know why hundreds have had them in their scopes

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and like they did not pull the trigger because they'd

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afraid they'd be in huge trouble because there's such a

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human look to them, and people have asked me, you know,

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what do you think it is? And I'm like, I'm

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telling you, Shannon, and I'm telling you there's things. It's

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half human and it's half gorilla. And I sent you

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the handprint that happened April nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Let me pull let me pull that up, and this

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is the hands on your view. Well, whoever's vehicle this is.

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Speaker 4: So, that's my vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, set this up for us. Where were you and

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what was going on with this situation?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Now right here would this happen? This happened April

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the nineteen, Okay, about six weeks ago or so. Now,

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this is in a research hotspot area. It's a private

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property where this happened. This isn't where I saw Bigfoot

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in twenty nineteen. This is less than an hour from

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where I live, and it's an area that has just

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been going crazy since the third week in March. My

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first set of thirteen inch tracks March twenty first, on

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this on this private property. The property owner has given

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me full access to this place. It's got a moving

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river that runs through it. This river has been running.

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It comes from underground ten miles from this property. It's

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been running for tens of thousands of years just water

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so clear. You can take a red solo cup, dip

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it down there and get your drink. It is crystal clear.

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The property owner, when I first went out there, he

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contacted me. After he saw my interview with Kentucky Bickfoot.

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He contacted me and he wanted to share his bigfoot

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encounter from nineteen seventy six, and so i'm ed him

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and we did, and I video witnessed him that will

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go to Kentucky Bickfoot, Charlie Raymond to do what he does.

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He is. He's allowed me on this property. So I've

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been researching this property since January this year. Okay, we're

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already six months in and I put almost every weekend

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out there, and with the track size was March twenty first,

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thirteen inches and with a stride length of about four foot.

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And I always tried to measure from hell to hell?

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Is this which another location? That's okay? Yes, that one?

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Hold on?

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Speaker 3: Oh, this this one right?

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Speaker 4: Okay, this one happened about three years ago.

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Speaker 2: Now okay, well let's let's stick with Sorry it's yeah,

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it's my fault because I was trying to find the

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one that we were talking about.

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Speaker 3: But let's just stick with this.

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Speaker 4: Let's get back to the handprint, because this handprint is

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super significant right now, and as you can tell, it's massive,

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it's huge with this female with these tracks thirteen inches

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and I say a female, yep, because one week after

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I found a thirteen inch tracks in the same game

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trail that I had worked March twenty first, I worked

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that game trail Shannon hard for an hour and a

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half looking for more tracks, and there were quite a few.

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This track way you went for thirty five yards on

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March twenty first, and I worked this game trail. I

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was looking for more tracks. I need to see where

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she went, and I know where she went. She ended

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up leaving one good print, one really good print. The

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rest of it was through the grass and the leaf litter,

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and she left me one good print. And the very

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next step had to be onto this pretty good sized

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log and then into this river, which where that is.

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That river is about two and a half feet deep

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right there and probably thirty yards across at that twenty

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five yards across, constantly moving. So I worked that game

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trail the very next weekend, March twenty eighth. Get back

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down there, and I set a game camera up on

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March twenty first, and I pointed it down this game

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trail that ran parallel with this river, hoping she'd come

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back that way again and I'd capture her. Right, that's

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what we're all trying to do. And it's still there.

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I haven't got her yet. That's okay. So the very

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next weekend, on March twenty eighth, I go back down

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there and I'm looking for more tracks. And guess what, Shannon,

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we had baby tracks. There're seven and a half inches

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about three and a half inches wide, mid tarsal break

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flat of the board. These are bigfoot tracks. We know

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what they are. They're really nothing like a human track.

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You know, a human track. You got your little toes

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and you get your little pad and comes down to

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this little scrawny hill like a little question mark. Now

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these are flat. All the tracks out there, I have

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found three separate trackways. I found three separate trackways and

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three separate weekends consecutively with these things for cutting through

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this property. And they're cutting through the adjoining property that

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river runs for at at least thirty miles, So they're

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using all these private properties that are huge to move

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along in the woods as th They're great. It's awesome.

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It's bigfoot heaven out there. But I found these tracks

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on that game trail, these small tracks where I had

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been the weekend before and had researched the crap out

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of it, and they're right there there playing a day.

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They came out of the woods into this little short

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grass and then it had to step onto that same

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log and into the river. It's like they were used

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in that area right there. I haven't found any more

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tracks on that game trail since, but I've been finding

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other places. And then a tree structure. This property owner,

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he goes out there. He don't live on this property,

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but he goes out there almost every day. He's a

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cancer survivors A. He's a he's deep, he's deep. His

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soul is deep with Christ, let me tell you. And

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he'll go out he's got a he's got a mountain

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on this property too, and he'll sit in this little

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two person swing and he'll look at that mountain. He'll

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sit there and face that mountain. He'll talk to God.

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This man had a three percent chance at living when

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he got through this cancer. And he got through it,

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he had been out there on Wednesday morning, Thursday morning,

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and then on this Friday morning, forty feet basically to

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his left with this brand new tree structure. He sent

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me the picture while I was at work on Friday.

475
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:18,519
I was at their first thing Saturday morning, and sure

476
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,400
enough I had about a seventy seventy five yard trackway

477
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,079
that came up through the grass just off the game

478
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,680
trail foot to three foot. And that's pretty common out there,

479
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:32,240
these trackways. You can't mistake them, you know. And you

480
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:35,480
look at these these steps through this grass with these

481
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,319
four foot strides. So why they don't step on the

482
00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:43,000
game trail but occasionally and they have, I don't know.

483
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,279
It could be something with scent, it could be something

484
00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:49,599
I don't know, stealth, I don't know. But I found

485
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,240
this trackway that came up behind this tree structure. And

486
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:54,480
I think I sent you a picture of the tree structure,

487
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,480
didn't I. I hope I did, because this happened two

488
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,599
weeks before the handprint that was around the first of April.

489
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,160
That would have been around April the fifth or something.

490
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,680
Maybe this happened April nineteenth, so maybe around April fifth,

491
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,200
April third. April fifth is when the tree structure went

492
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,920
out and there was not only this trackway coming up

493
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,559
from behind it, and the and the and the branch

494
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,720
is used for this structure. They're bigger than the tree

495
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:24,720
that it's in and there's no trees above it. It's

496
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,960
not it's not treefall at all. They were put there.

497
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,640
That man's out there all the time, and that tree

498
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,880
structure was there on a Friday morning. And then there

499
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,279
was a trackway leading down this little dirt trail like

500
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,039
for ATVs and maybe a pick up or something to

501
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,920
go down to this river area. Anyway, I don't know

502
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,519
if I sent you that tree structure, but.

503
00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:50,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's I'm looking through them.

504
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,759
Speaker 2: There's just there's several tree pictures, so I'm just trying

505
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:59,920
to possibly guess there's one that looks like in kind

506
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:00,640
of an X.

507
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 4: Is that that's it. That's the one that happened two

508
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:08,039
weeks before this And okay.

509
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,559
Speaker 3: You can go on, you could go ahead and I

510
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,559
will continue speaking there that sir.

511
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm sorry, now, that's okay. The handprint came two

512
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,599
weeks after the tree structure, okay, and havn't been there

513
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,400
just the beginning of the year. And with them definitely

514
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,119
coming through their starting in March. That's when I started

515
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,960
finding tracks. Didn't mean they hadn't been there sooner, and

516
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:30,359
probably a year after year after year, following this river

517
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,519
these things, I think she got acclimated to me. There

518
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,440
it is. That was amazing. Property owner told me he

519
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,160
almost fell out of the swing when he glanced to

520
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,880
his left and saw it. It was only about.

521
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: Forty feet away from his house.

522
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 4: From his swing, from the two person swing that he

523
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,799
set in the he sets in the face the mountain,

524
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,839
so he goes there almost every day, and then on

525
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,279
that Thursday it wasn't there. On Friday morning, there it was.

526
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,000
And the trackway. If you look at this picture, and

527
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,720
I don't know how big you can get that, you

528
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,920
can see where the grass is matted down all around

529
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,359
in the front of it, and behind it was this

530
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:10,200
trackway that went for about seventy or seventy five yards

531
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,119
and it went into a really thick underbrushed area with

532
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:18,279
huge oak trees in the area. Going into it, it

533
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:20,839
looked matted down and the trackway looked like it went

534
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,240
right in there. But I didn't discover that until after

535
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,880
I went down this little dirt road in front of

536
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,480
the tree structure, and I've got thirteen inch tracks. I

537
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,519
sent pictures of that as well, if you can find it.

538
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,599
And my point of all this is when that tree

539
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:41,440
structure happened and I was researching this and finding this

540
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,920
trackway got I was probably within one hundred foot following

541
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,759
that seventy seventy five trackway from that heavily brushed area

542
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,119
with those trees. Then those tracks were like going right

543
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,599
into that matted down area. It was almost like an

544
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,000
entrance going in there. And I pulled my forty four.

545
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,240
I always have my forty four. We got mountain lions

546
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,559
out there, and we got hags I always carry, and

547
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,640
I didn't have my shotgun in my hand. I normally do,

548
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:08,839
or I have it slung over my shoulder one or

549
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:10,519
the other, but I didn't have it with me. I

550
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,519
just hurried up and got over to the tree structures.

551
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:15,359
I got started investigating it. You know, I was probably

552
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,799
one hundred foot from this opening and deep in the

553
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,119
woods there, mind you, but this says it goes in

554
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,519
there deeper and everything gets sticker, and everything kind of

555
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:27,160
goes downhill and it gets sticker. The property owner was,

556
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,559
you know, probably forty feet to my left, and he's

557
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:34,279
got this three year old German shepherd and I looked

558
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:38,000
over there at him, and I guess he didn't understand

559
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,720
me or hear me, because I told him. I said,

560
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,440
I'm going, I'm going up there to that opening, and

561
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,480
he had I remember, he had some debris in his hands,

562
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,519
like from flooding and stuff that maybe happened over the years.

563
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:55,160
It was something from trash in his hands, and he said, okay.

564
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,119
He said, well, I'm going to go up to the cabin,

565
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,119
get my pick up and drive it down this way

566
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,440
and any more trash I can just told it in

567
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,839
the back of my truck. And I said, well, I'm

568
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:05,680
fixing the gold up here. I said, can your dog

569
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:08,519
go with me? He said yeah, Can you stay with me?

570
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,000
And he said yeah, it Fe'll stay. He said, but

571
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,680
I'll be back. And I was like, holy crap. And

572
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,000
here I am standing there and I'm videoing. Mind you,

573
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,599
it's the whole time. I'm always videoing. I'm always documenting.

574
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,559
That's what we do. We document what we're doing. And

575
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,519
I'm talking about it, and I'm trying. I'm looking for

576
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,000
any kind of movement up in this man, and my

577
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,640
heart's racing that trackway went right into it, Shannon. He

578
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,160
headed for the cabin, and sure enough, the dog followed

579
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,880
his daddy, you know. And I'm standing there all by myself.

580
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,000
I got my forty four and I'm videoing, and so

581
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,480
I walked toward it. I got within fifty or sixty feet,

582
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:46,519
probably sixty feet from it, and I stopped, and I'm

583
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,279
doing this panoramic video and I got hit with this smell.

584
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,160
And I'm down wind of that opening of this area,

585
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,440
and it's huge, this area. I'm talking about this brush area.

586
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,319
It's huge, and it goes for hundreds of yards. I

587
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,720
got hit with this smell, and I've raised my eyebrows

588
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,720
over there. I haven't anybody that I've told this to

589
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,640
has not heard it described this way, and maybe you

590
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,200
haven't heard it either. But the smell I got hit

591
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,680
with lasted five or eight seconds, and it smelt like

592
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,160
I just pulled the saddle in the blanket off of

593
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,720
that horse. That smell that will come off that animal,

594
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,680
that sweat, and that that that animal smell, That's what

595
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,039
I smelled in the middle of the woods. Strong. It

596
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:34,079
was heavy, it was like it was right next to me.

597
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,279
That smell hit me and it it almost stopped my heart.

598
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:40,920
I was like, oh crap, they're in there, They're in there,

599
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:43,240
they're in there. And I know I have a female

600
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,880
and a young one. I just do and I'll tell

601
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,680
you that here in a minute. This gets good. It's

602
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,720
been real active out there, so I scared the crap

603
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,519
at me. I'm still videoing, and I move about forty

604
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,640
yards to my left down toward the river, and I'm

605
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,039
parallel in this opening area and I'm just videoing. I

606
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:01,920
don't have my forty four, I don't have a cock,

607
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,440
but you know it's out of my holster and I'm scared.

608
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:08,640
I shit you not. I'm not lying. Any researcher will

609
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,200
tell you when you're close, and you think you're close,

610
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,559
you're drawed up. I moved about forty yards to my left,

611
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,720
kind of downhill through the woods toward the river, and

612
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,119
I stopped and I'm still videoing, and I got hit

613
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,640
with that smell again and it lasted about fifteen seconds

614
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,920
this time. Now, I mean my heart was coming out

615
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,279
of my chest. So I worked my way down to

616
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,279
the river. I did not turn my back to this

617
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,599
area and the property owners up there, this cabin, he

618
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,319
never did come back, so I don't know what was

619
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,440
going on with that. Then it doesn't matter. The event happened,

620
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,559
and I worked my way down to the river, and

621
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:46,400
I went down the river and where I would come

622
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,240
in and park my truck every time I go out there.

623
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,799
I always i'm about one hundred yards above the river,

624
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:57,000
and it's a slight roll down through the woods to

625
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,000
the river. And when you're at the river, you can

626
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,519
see my truck up there, and that's just where I parked.

627
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,480
And so I moved on down the river and I

628
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,000
caught up with the property owner in front of the

629
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,400
cabin down there at the river area is about where

630
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,880
we were, and I told him about it and all that,

631
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,719
and he was like, oh man, and I was like, dude,

632
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,079
But that was it for that day. Two weeks later,

633
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:25,119
this handprint ended up on my truck, two weeks after

634
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,639
the tree structure events and the smell. Oh and what

635
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,800
was investigating the structure, which I took an hour just

636
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,119
investigating that before I spread out and started spotting the

637
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,960
tracks going away from it in front and coming up

638
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,119
to it from behind. You could hear rock clacking. You

639
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:44,719
could hear rock clacking, and the same coming from the

640
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,960
same area with this opening was that I was at

641
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,719
where I got the smells. You could hear the rock clacking,

642
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,360
and I asked the property owner he was talking. I said,

643
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,039
hold on a minute, I said listen. I said, listen,

644
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,000
tell me if you hear anything, and he said okay,

645
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,159
And we were real quiet, and then all of a sudden,

646
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,000
clack clack, claque, about three or four clacks in a row.

647
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,159
Never heard anymore. I knew just in years. I knew,

648
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,039
just crazy, this is crazy, this is unreal. I was

649
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,440
so amped up. And then of course I followed the

650
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,360
tracks and the trackways and got the smells and worked

651
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,719
my way right away from there. There was nothing more

652
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,800
eventful that day and two weeks later when I got

653
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,440
out of my truck. Then I went on the passenger

654
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:31,360
side of my truck back with this tree structure areas

655
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,519
kind of scoured the woods good. I could kind of

656
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:40,320
see into that area where where that trackway had let in,

657
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,320
but I couldn't see anything. I couldn't smell anything. Of

658
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,199
the sun was out nice and bright, and I could

659
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,119
kind of see down into that stuff, and I couldn't

660
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,119
see anything. And of course I'm by myself you know,

661
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:54,239
almost every one of my adventures are solow and I

662
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,440
get chewed out a lot by my siblings and friends.

663
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,519
You know, it's stupid, but you know what, get busy

664
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,760
living or get busy dying. You know, good Lord's got

665
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,920
my number. I'm not trying to push the envelope here,

666
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,880
but I want to see him head on again. I

667
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,119
love what I do. I do. I think that since

668
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,320
the beginning of the year, and at least the third

669
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,559
week in March, this female has gotten acclimated to me

670
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,880
being there. She's probably already been acclimated to the property owner.

671
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,000
He's had this place, he's been out there and in

672
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,079
control of this place. It's it's it's generational family land,

673
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,360
and it's a lot where he's at. So but I

674
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,199
think she kind of got acclimated to me, he said.

675
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,000
I you know, I investigated the woods on the faster

676
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:39,920
side of my truck, and I worked my way down

677
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,440
to the river. Once I got down to the river,

678
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,599
worked out, passed in front of my truck on down

679
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:49,800
past the driver's side of my truck. I went down river,

680
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,719
now probably five hundred yards into the following the river

681
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,840
looking for sign and and into the woods and I

682
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,679
think she came up. She was probably watching me while

683
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,760
I was scouring the woods on the passenger side. And

684
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,119
as I got down there one hundred yards in front

685
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:06,880
of my truck at the river and worked my way

686
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:10,400
away from her towards the driver's side, she came up

687
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:13,400
on the pastor's side of my truck out there and

688
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,679
she put her right hand. I think she probably stood

689
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,960
straight up, looked over my truck and just watched me

690
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:21,360
going into the woods. You know what I'm saying. She

691
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,719
left that andprint. It was amazing. I didn't even know

692
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,079
I had it till I got home. I did not

693
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:28,239
because when I came out of the woods after about

694
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,119
an hour and a half down there, didn't have any

695
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:33,880
finding find anything new, and the property owner was waking

696
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,599
at the cabin and that's all up there old wayfont

697
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,679
on the driver's side of my truck. We shook hands

698
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:41,400
and I put my shotgun in the back seat and

699
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,519
by forty four and I said, well, we'll try this

700
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:46,880
next weekend. I'll drill this point because I didn't find

701
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,199
anything new. You know, I'm always amped up to get

702
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:51,079
out there. I'm going out there in the morning. Can't wait.

703
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,039
I left. But when I'm leaving this property, I remember

704
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:57,800
on he's got this dirt road that cuts through the property.

705
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,199
It kind of parallels the mountain I'm talking about. Out

706
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:03,199
the property owner he always opens the gate so I

707
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,679
can get in, and when we leave, he follows me

708
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,119
out and he locks these gates. He has multiple gates

709
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:11,039
in and out of this property. He'll lock them behind us.

710
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,199
I remember this ball of dirt dust on this road.

711
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,920
I was going slow, so for about I don't know,

712
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,480
fifty yards, I was just in this ball of dirt,

713
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,679
and so I kind of sped up and got ahead

714
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,199
of the dirt, and the property owner was back there

715
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,239
and he was staying slower and he didn't have to

716
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:35,440
worry about it. And then I got home from this area.

717
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,639
And this was on a Sunday, and I remember I

718
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:42,079
was getting out of my truck and I thought I

719
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,679
didn't check my mail on Saturday. So I walked to

720
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,159
the mailbox and I you know, checked my mail and

721
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,159
came walking back up on the passenger side of my truck.

722
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,559
And that's when I started seeing the handprint, and I

723
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,559
was like, you know, what the hell? And I got

724
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,519
a little bit closer and I started I started picking

725
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,239
up my pace and I was like, no, I could

726
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,840
already see how big it was. And I got up

727
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,639
there and of course I get my hand up there

728
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:10,320
and I'm not touching my truck, but I'm comparing, and

729
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,239
I'm like, oh my god, she touched my truck. She

730
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,440
touched my truck and she did and she did that

731
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,400
handprint and you can say it it's massive. Uh. We

732
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,599
have already found well, I'm not any kind of a

733
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:27,639
expert or nothing, but there's already four indicators of gorilla

734
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,840
in this handprint that are not human. Uh. And I'll

735
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,480
go on it's even better. Uh yeah, it's for comparison

736
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:37,079
to the picture of it. This past weekend, I was

737
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:40,320
in Kentucky and I was able to show this print

738
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,400
to doctor Moray A Mayor, and she was very very

739
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,920
intrigued with it. What a wonderful lady. I've been waiting

740
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,199
about four years to meet this woman. What a wonderful lady,

741
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,480
doctor Maria Mayor is. She was very intrigued by it.

742
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,559
And I showed it to Lindy Raymond, which is Charlie

743
00:39:55,639 --> 00:40:01,639
Raymond's wife with Kentucky Bickfoot. Lindsey is a twenty year

744
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,800
retired fingerprint and now you know expert. She was for

745
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,000
the Canadian Law Enforcement and I was showing up to Lindsay.

746
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,519
I remember she just kept saying, oh my god, Matt,

747
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:15,679
and she was blowing it up, bringing it up. Now

748
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,039
she's holding my phone. She took my phone, Maray Mayor

749
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,480
took my phone from my Am. They're blowing it up

750
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,320
and they're looking and Lindy's like, this ain't human. This

751
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,840
part right here, this is not human. This this has

752
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,679
this is human. This isn't human. This isn't Lindsey was

753
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,880
really blown away with it. I'm working collectively right now

754
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,679
and have been for a while since this print with

755
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,280
Doug Hicheck. We're we're doing what needs to be done.

756
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,920
We're going through the process. We're going to have an

757
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,840
expert fingerprint analysis done on the print forensically, and then

758
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,159
we're going in after the DNA and we're going in

759
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:55,400
after the SSL. The surface skin lipids that's what produces

760
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,800
the oils. That oil was called sebum, and with that sebum,

761
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:05,239
scientists can already differentiate gorilla from human. And I'm telling

762
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,239
you this thing and what I saw in twenty nineteen, Shannon,

763
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,599
they're fifty to fifty. I don't know. That's my best guess.

764
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 3: So all of that is getting tested right now.

765
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:21,559
Speaker 4: Matt, it will be. I talked to Doug Hicheck again

766
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:25,960
last night. We've had some phone calls and we're going

767
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,199
through the process. We need to get some very good

768
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,760
photographs of it. I have the print I've already copied righted,

769
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,800
the print that gives me that full ownership, and that's

770
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,519
very important with something the significant I lifted that print, Shannon,

771
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,360
and you should have a picture of that, of that print.

772
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,760
And I had thunder Yeah, I had thunderstorms coming in

773
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:52,239
when I got home on that Sunday, and right after

774
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,400
I noticed this print and I'm gawking at it, and

775
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,239
I'm looking at it and I'm videoing it and taking

776
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,320
pictures of it, and we had rain coming in, and

777
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000
I thought, this print is going to get washed away forever.

778
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,039
And so I went bolting in the house and looking around.

779
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:12,719
I got two inch clear boxing tape like you'd used

780
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,880
on cardboard boxes. That's what I had. And I grabbed

781
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,760
a one gallon ziplock baggy. If you hold a ziplock

782
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,440
baggy up and look at the front of it, you'll

783
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,440
see ziplocking that on the front of it. But if

784
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,760
you turn that baggy around, the back side is just

785
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:35,039
clear plastic there. It is. So it took three of

786
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:39,480
these two inch strips to capture that entire print. And

787
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:43,280
as I pulled it, and you can see, I got it,

788
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,360
and I got it, well you just thought I worked

789
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:52,159
for the fbidre. As I pulled them, I carefully, without

790
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,920
trying to touch anything, of course, laid them onto the

791
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,800
back side of this ziplock baggy. And when I did that,

792
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,679
it didn't only kept for the DNA, but it also

793
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,119
got to see them and it got the it got

794
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,320
the print. Oh yes, that's why there's a lot of

795
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,599
people around the country right now going crazy.

796
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: Over licking their chops. That's exciting they are. That is exciting,

797
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:13,639
they are.

798
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 4: I'm very excited. It's an exciting time. And this this

799
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,760
whole process. You know, I'm an investigator, man, I get

800
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,119
out in the woods and I look for bigfoot. So

801
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:24,559
all of this is new to me. And of course

802
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,920
Doug high Check, he's he's uh, he's teaching me. Well,

803
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:33,039
you know, a very smart man, excellent excellent human being,

804
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,280
so so proud to know him. So proud and and

805
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,760
and so we're going after it's going to be a process.

806
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,159
How long this is going to take? Probably a while,

807
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,559
probably a while. That's okay.

808
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:46,599
Speaker 3: You got to do it right.

809
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: You know, you only have the certain amount of samples

810
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,480
that you can pull from anything. And luckily, these things

811
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,239
are usually pretty oily greasy things.

812
00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 3: So that art was very helpful.

813
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 4: So how lucky, how blessed was I that I was

814
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,039
in that ball of dirt on that little road leaving

815
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:07,639
that property.

816
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,679
Speaker 2: You were in a Texas dust devil from the sounds

817
00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:12,000
of it.

818
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:15,599
Speaker 6: And that's the only my truck was making well, my

819
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:18,039
truck was making it. I was driving just slow enough

820
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,480
that the dirt coming up from under my truck is

821
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,239
what would just I was in this ball of dirt saying,

822
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,519
and that's that's what adhere to the print. And thank goodness,

823
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:29,440
I remember to go check my mail, because I got

824
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,880
that thing lifted, and I got in the house and

825
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,840
the bottom fell out. The storm set and it rained

826
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,719
like hail Sunday night and Monday.

827
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:39,639
Speaker 4: Now, so by the grace of God, I got it.

828
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,280
I got it.

829
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: Those Texas storms aren't anything to shake a stick out either.

830
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,639
Speaker 3: That would have been gone.

831
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, it had been gone, so thank goodness that

832
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,239
happened high. So we're going to see where this goes

833
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,599
down this road.

834
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,199
Speaker 2: So how how many since this this property obviously has

835
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,679
been in his family for so long, how are the

836
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,000
bigfoot there actually coming up to the house.

837
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:06,079
Speaker 3: Are they having house slaps and things like that going on?

838
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,679
Speaker 4: No? No, like I said, he doesn't live on this property.

839
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,199
He maintained it for the family. The family has other

840
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,920
properties around Texas and I think Oklahoma, and I mean

841
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,079
they own sections of land and this one his grandmother,

842
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:24,880
I think, he said, had bought this. It's almost five

843
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,079
hundred acres. That's a lot of land, and it's half

844
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,239
a mile of this river runs through it and with

845
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,119
that mountain on it, you know, and like Doug Hichak said,

846
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,840
he goes, mat, it's got all the ingredients. I said, yes, sir,

847
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,679
I knew it the second I pulled up on this property.

848
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,039
This property owner, like I said, he had a sighting

849
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,519
in Arizona and I have a pin drop on it.

850
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:46,679
It was up on Maple Peak. It's an eighty three

851
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,679
hundred foot elevation. I'm going there later this summer. He

852
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,280
won't be able to make it with me. And he

853
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,079
also has really bad COPD. But we pin dropped the

854
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:59,079
basic area where I'm going to Arizona. It's tried across

855
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:01,320
in New Mexico border. You got it. In New Mexico.

856
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,280
You're going through the Geelan National Forest, and once you

857
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,159
crossed that Arizona state line, you're now in the Apache

858
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:09,719
Sick Grease National Forest and you're going I'm going up

859
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,400
on Maple Peet and I'm doing a walk about. I

860
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,039
love him, I love him walk abouts. But when he

861
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:16,960
was fifteen, and he had two of his friends, so

862
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,119
there's three witnesses right there. They were inside this car.

863
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:24,639
They were runaways. They had been truant from school here

864
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:28,159
in Sanangelo. You got to think about this, Shannon. They

865
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:34,199
were truant for fifty six days and the truant officer

866
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,159
was on their heels. So they got scared. One of

867
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:40,960
the boys went and stole a car, a Delta eighty eight,

868
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,360
and that was before the old Delta ninety eight. These

869
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,920
things were boats, man, they were huge. Yeah it is,

870
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:50,480
and yeah, he said he thought his friend went outside

871
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,960
to go take a whizz or something. He said about

872
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,079
five minutes later, he said he comes screeching up in

873
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,920
the driveway, and they said, man, let's call, let's go.

874
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,599
You know, a buddy had called him and said, truant

875
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:03,920
offsher nos jar and they were. They were at this

876
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,719
man's house. Then, I'm talking about this property owner. So

877
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,239
he said he grabbed a bunch of his mom's pots

878
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,679
and skillets, and they grabbed some drinks and threw them

879
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,760
in this car. And the three of them were on

880
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,719
their way to California. They were hauling as for California

881
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,480
fifteen year olds. And they said they made their way

882
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,599
as far as our Passo Texas head in the west,

883
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,440
and then took a direct north and went up into

884
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,159
New Mexico. They ended up a couple, but one of

885
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:35,199
them knocked over in this little store in some little

886
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,480
town that he can't remember, New Mexico. Knocked over a

887
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,599
display or something in this store, and these store employees

888
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:44,519
all came to try to clean up the mess and that,

889
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:46,960
and the other two were over there in the meat

890
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,440
department putting meat in their jackets. Because this is October,

891
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,239
up and up, and you know, up into Mexico. He

892
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,679
gets Chile in October, you know, because I've gone there

893
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,519
many times too, But they stole all this meat and

894
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,039
stuff and the hall. But and he said, as they were,

895
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,000
and they stole gasoline along the way. They stole license

896
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,960
plates in every state on the way, and they made

897
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,280
it to California. They ended up coming back to Texas

898
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,480
and handcuffs, but they didn't make it to California. But

899
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:16,679
they they were up in the Apache Sigres National Forest

900
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,159
up there, and they were trying to stay off the

901
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,719
main road so nobody would catch them. He said, it

902
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,239
was getting in toward evening, and there was a there

903
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,159
was a cutout right off the road up there in

904
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:31,280
the mountains, probably four hundred foot square, which would be

905
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,360
about one hundred foot in each direction. But there was

906
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,039
a place where you could have a campfire and there

907
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,360
was a picnic table. So I guess if travelers wanted

908
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,639
to stop and eat, they couldn't. And either the Forestry

909
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:44,320
Service had cut all that out of the state of Arizona.

910
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,800
Whoever made it. It was really nice. And he said,

911
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,320
so they you know, they fired up some they got

912
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,320
a fire going and they cooked that meat and they

913
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,800
ate like kings. And he said, uh, there was still

914
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,719
a lot of food left. And he said, so we

915
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,400
just set that on top of the car, and we

916
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,960
were all tired and it was getting toward dark. And

917
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:06,800
he said he remembered before they got in the car,

918
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,960
he could he could smell. He thought it was like

919
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,760
a dead animal, maybe a dead elk or a dead deer.

920
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,519
Maybe the wind had shifted. He said he remembered that

921
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,119
they got in the car. One guy slept in the

922
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:21,519
front seat, one of the boys slept on the back floorboard,

923
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,039
and this property owner, he was in the back seat

924
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,519
with his head against the passenger door arm rest. And

925
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,800
he said he remembered, and this is important in his story,

926
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,840
that the sun was going down and the moon behind

927
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,199
him was coming up. He just thought that was neat

928
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,840
that one was going down and the other one was

929
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,599
coming up. It just stuck in his brain. And he

930
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:47,239
said he was never a heavy sleeper. And he said,

931
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,920
I was probably asleep for an hour and a half

932
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,480
or so, because when they got woke up, the moon

933
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:57,320
was at about thirty degrees, so that's important. He was

934
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,840
probably out for an hour hour and a half. But

935
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:03,519
the car was rocking, and he thought a windstorm had

936
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:06,719
came and the car was rocking really hard, and he

937
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,480
said he cocked his head all the way back and

938
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:11,960
was looking out that back passenger window and could see

939
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:14,320
the top of all the pine trees to see them

940
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,000
moving in the wind. But they weren't, he said, so

941
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:18,760
he set up straight and he was looking out the

942
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,239
driver's side back door to see those trees, but he

943
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,760
couldn't see them. He said, the window was all blacked out,

944
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:29,840
and half of the front driver door window, so they

945
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,360
were just all blacked out. And he said he was confused,

946
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,760
and he crawled up to the window and was just

947
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,559
inches from the back door window, you know, excuse me,

948
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:44,039
on the driver's side, and he said, and then there

949
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:47,719
was movement and the car was still rocking. So what

950
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,960
happened is that bigfoot came up on that car and

951
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,760
it was leaning into that car and it was getting

952
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,079
that food out of that pan. He thought it was

953
00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:00,159
the wind store. And he said, this bigfoot moved, and

954
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,679
he said he jumped back and scream and the smell

955
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,519
was already gagging him. It was gagging him. He jumped

956
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,280
back and screamed because he thought it was a bear.

957
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,400
And that woke the other two boys up, and they

958
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,960
sat up and they were all gagging, and they one

959
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,639
of the other boys screamed, I think is the way

960
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:21,119
that went anyway in this bigfoot jumped back away from

961
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:24,320
that car. And he said, that thing covered at least

962
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,800
fifteen feet in one jump. It cocked over, and it

963
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:31,039
cocked his head toward him, bent over and was trying

964
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:33,119
to look down into that car. And he said, and

965
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:35,800
we were screaming like little girls. And he said, and

966
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,400
this thing turned and it ran and got to the

967
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,719
tree line and stopped. And he said, with those limbs

968
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,400
were cut at the bottom by the state was at

969
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,000
least ten foot. This man was electrician in his whole life.

970
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:49,840
And he said, and to this day I know that

971
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,880
was ten foot. He said, that's what I'm going to

972
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,440
my grave with. He said. This thing was as white

973
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,840
as a double refrigerator with another half of a double

974
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,079
refrigerator on top. Foot huge, uh, kind of an a

975
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:04,559
ring attain color. It had a little glowt to it

976
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:06,960
because the moon was in its face. So that's where

977
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,559
the moon was came in came into play. He got

978
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:12,239
a little detail, look not much. He said. You remember

979
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,840
it had big eyes, but he couldn't recall a color,

980
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,440
just that the eyes were big. He said, this thing

981
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,679
cocked over at the waist and kind of cocked its

982
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,039
head over looking in the car these boys screaming. Yeah,

983
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:25,199
that's pretty good. It's a great story that.

984
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: Would get you screaming like a little girl.

985
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 4: So, not only was that a significant sighting, and he

986
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:32,800
remembers it like it was yesterday October, it's going to

987
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,320
be fifty years that's pretty impressive. Yeah, he saw he

988
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,599
saw my interview. That's when he reached out to me

989
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:42,119
and I want to tell me about his sighting. So

990
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,920
what what not only what? What really drew me in

991
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:49,920
immediately with him is he said that that smell was

992
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,159
gagging him and his two friends bad. And he said,

993
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,920
it's a smell you'll never forget. He said, if I

994
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,719
ask you, you know what a skunk smells like? I

995
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,079
can in YouTube, and you know, we know what as skunks,

996
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:07,079
we can recall that particular smell immediately in our brain.

997
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,280
We know what a skunk smelled like. He said, this

998
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,880
smell is one that you can recall in your brain

999
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,280
that you'll never forget. So that was important because he said,

1000
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,320
out on this property over the last several years, maybe five,

1001
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,880
he thought he has picked up on that smell when

1002
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,079
he pulls up in there and gets out of his pickup.

1003
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,159
Twice he has picked up on that smell, and maybe

1004
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,719
a third time that he said it was real faint,

1005
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,280
and he said, so I felt like that, you know,

1006
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:37,920
there's only one smell, And that's when he contacted me.

1007
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:41,800
And I've been out to investigate insince January. Ever since

1008
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,519
he contacted me around Thanksgiving.

1009
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,199
Speaker 2: It sounds like a very active property. And at least

1010
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,280
they're open to having folks out there to investigate, because

1011
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,159
now look what's.

1012
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,599
Speaker 4: Coming up to you. So that's good he is. And yeah,

1013
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:01,159
he's real particular about who come on that property. There's

1014
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,519
there's some family that will come out there and enjoy

1015
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:06,320
the river, and there's there's a nice little area out

1016
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,000
in front of this cabine that leads down to the

1017
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,760
river and family will come out with their kids and stuff,

1018
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,840
you know. But he's also had drespassers there too. Yeah,

1019
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,719
and probably all these property owners down that river for

1020
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,840
thirty miles, they probably all deal with it.

1021
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: Now, that's what that's what guns are for, to encourage

1022
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,400
people not to cut. Not that I'm saying that you

1023
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,840
go up blasting. I'm just saying that, you know, most

1024
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,639
people are smart enough not to go trapes around random places,

1025
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:35,639
but not everyone is smart enough not to trapes around.

1026
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, correct, and you did. You just brought up that picture.

1027
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,880
That's where my game camera's pointing. My game camera right

1028
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,039
down between them trees. Is that game trail that runs

1029
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:46,440
parallel with that river. He's got half a mile of

1030
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,960
this river. That's my game camera. That's a picture. That's

1031
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:49,719
why I send it to you.

1032
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,199
Speaker 3: Is that a bit? Is that a big old squirrel

1033
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:52,719
in the tree?

1034
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: Because unfortunately I can't I can't interact with wist stream yard.

1035
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,519
I can't zoom Everyone's probably like zoom in cannon. I

1036
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:01,119
can't zoom in.

1037
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 3: So it is.

1038
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is what it is, and so I'm hoping

1039
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,840
for that capture. You know, of course I am. I've

1040
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,039
got a point. But I've got now, I've got eight

1041
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,599
more game cameras that are going to fix and start

1042
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,360
going up pretty quick that I've come in contact with.

1043
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,400
I'm putting up eight more game cameras around this property.

1044
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,760
And I'm only actually I'm only investigated ten or fifteen

1045
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:28,920
percent of this property.

1046
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,199
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure is a lot you're you.

1047
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 4: Can only do in mine and all this activity I've

1048
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,920
had since the third week and this is almost every

1049
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:42,719
weekend I'm having something, and uh, there's people around the

1050
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,599
country that know about it, of course, Charlie Raymond and them,

1051
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:49,239
and then Doug Haicheck and just Abount. A month ago

1052
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,400
I was announced and I am now a standing member

1053
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,559
of the Squatching Florida team out of Florida, you know,

1054
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:59,880
as an investigator and researcher with Mike Aguilar and Christina Lawhorne.

1055
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,440
Those folks out there, they're amazing good out there in

1056
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,800
the swamps down up in the Green swamps. And I'll

1057
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,039
be going there. I've been going to Florida. We got

1058
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,639
to go meet my team members and they're gonna take

1059
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:12,119
me into the swamps. It's gonna be great.

1060
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,039
Speaker 2: Well, let's move through some of these photos, Matt, because

1061
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,119
instead of me just guessing which photo is which, let's

1062
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:21,480
just pull them up and talk about them as we

1063
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:22,199
as we go.

1064
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:28,079
Speaker 4: If that's okay, Okay, So this one here is juvenile,

1065
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,199
and then we'll probably at about nine and a half inches.

1066
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,400
My boot is twelve inches exactly, and so I used

1067
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,079
my boot a lot for scale. You know, I didn't

1068
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,239
have my stuff with me when I come across this one,

1069
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,800
and there were several of them. The rest of them

1070
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,719
were barely legible at all. This one just hit some

1071
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,039
soft dirt that had maybe just piled up during a

1072
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:49,239
rainstorm at one time.

1073
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 3: And where is this, Matt, I'm sorry? Where is this?

1074
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: This?

1075
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 4: This is less than two hours from where I live.

1076
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,199
This is down between Brady and Brady Lake Tech, which

1077
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:02,679
is kind of like where I'm at. It's kind of

1078
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:06,599
like on the way to Austin, Texas. Okay, now this track,

1079
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,719
there's another one that I have that's about fifteen inches.

1080
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,159
You'll see my boat with that one. It was about

1081
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:17,039
fifteen miles from this one. But both these areas, is

1082
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:18,280
that right now? Not that one?

1083
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,559
Speaker 3: Well, see, I did it.

1084
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:21,719
Speaker 2: I did it accidentally. I said I wasn't going to

1085
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,679
do that. So let's just stick with yeah, with this

1086
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:25,400
one for now.

1087
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 4: Okay. So here, like I told you, over the last

1088
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,559
five years, I have found tracks of six individuals. And

1089
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:37,440
mind you, where this is is out where people don't go. Okay,

1090
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,159
these are places where people don't go. And there again

1091
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,000
there's your print. We're wide, we're flat. No, we're not

1092
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:49,480
your little strawny heel type thing. Very confident, especially where

1093
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,079
I find them.

1094
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,719
Speaker 3: Why were you guys down there? Were you looking for

1095
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:54,159
Big Four?

1096
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,639
Speaker 4: I was, okay, I was, I was, And I'd been

1097
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,920
down in that area several times, quite a few times.

1098
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:02,960
A guy that I worked with said that he had

1099
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,519
heard about stuff that went on down in that area,

1100
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:08,000
and I was like, okay, So you know, you go

1101
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,440
out most of the time, and you know this, and

1102
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,079
everybody knows this. You go out and you come home

1103
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:16,840
with a goose, you don't find anything. But having gone

1104
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,800
out there as many times as I did, it was

1105
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,840
one particular time I got some wood knocks. Now I

1106
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,199
got them wood knocks, I knew, okay, I'm close, I'm

1107
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:30,239
in the area. Those wood knocks, man, they're telling they're

1108
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,880
like somebody ringing a dinner bell. Had a couple of

1109
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,079
wood knocks, and so I started returning there every weekend.

1110
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,480
Finally found this one track. Well there were several, but

1111
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:41,960
this one good one. That's the one I documented and

1112
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:47,320
photographed and all that that came that Trent came after

1113
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,280
another one, and you'll see the same exact boot in

1114
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,880
that picture. It's about a fifteen inch track. You know,

1115
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,159
Patty from the Patterson Gimlin film. Her track was fifteen inches.

1116
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:02,960
So here again I've got two individuals, possibly a mother

1117
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:05,599
and a young one. The male tracks, and it could

1118
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:08,599
be a juvenile track, the fifteen inture. It could be

1119
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:12,239
a teenage male. I don't know. I just something tells

1120
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,039
me that I've got a female and a young one

1121
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,119
in that area. That's one of my hotspot areas. I

1122
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:20,239
hadn't been back there this year, hasn't been to any

1123
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:22,960
of them, but the one out about an hour from here,

1124
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,760
where I've got the handprint and the wood, the tree structure,

1125
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,559
and the smells and the rock clack and the trackways.

1126
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:32,039
I've gotten so much activity, especially since the third week

1127
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:35,840
in March. Now, this one, this one is west of

1128
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,920
where I live, about an hour and it's out where

1129
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,880
people don't go. And there's another track, another set of

1130
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,400
tracks that went with this one. This right foot what

1131
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:49,679
was left and this is in there and it's right

1132
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:55,039
along this lake shore and the other step is actually

1133
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:58,280
in the water. It's about three and a half feet

1134
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,440
behind this one.

1135
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: What's the size of this one?

1136
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,239
Speaker 4: Okay, you should have another picture with that. That one's

1137
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,239
about eleven inches right there. This is the one that

1138
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:14,400
accompanied a companied that was with it, with this river,

1139
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:17,840
with this lake is people out here can tell you

1140
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,679
you got parts of it that are that are soft,

1141
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,679
that's going to leave this and one foot away it's

1142
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,079
like concrete. It's just the way it is. It's a

1143
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:28,840
clay based and so I was lucky to get that.

1144
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:33,719
This this track accompanied the one you just showed before. Uh,

1145
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,039
this one, yeah, and that was just the other one.

1146
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,519
You'll see my boot for scale.

1147
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,559
Speaker 3: Oh, the other one that I showed this one right here.

1148
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, there we go. So say, we're about eleven inches

1149
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:48,320
on this one, okay, and that's a great track. I've

1150
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,079
had my butt schewed out for not casting that, and

1151
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,840
I didn't have my material with me. I went out

1152
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,800
on a whim on a Sunday, and this is about

1153
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,800
three years ago, and stumbled across these two sets of

1154
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,159
tre that went up into the woods where people ain't

1155
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:05,400
gonna go anyway, you stepping right up into the rattlesnakes

1156
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,719
where I found this. But they were right there near

1157
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,400
the river's edge, the lake's edge. And of course that

1158
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,119
one track behind this one, the left foot it was

1159
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:15,599
in the water, the same size three and a half

1160
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:18,719
foot back and the very next steps went up into

1161
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,159
this concrete like clay and on up into the into

1162
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:25,360
the sticks in the woods and stuff. The snakes are,

1163
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,760
of course, but it just went on up and could

1164
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,119
barely see the way. You Just following their point of

1165
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,519
travel is about the best you can do with a

1166
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:35,199
lot of this stuff, if you're lucky to get one track.

1167
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,119
It's like anytime I found a track, I've always found

1168
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:43,400
them in pairs. So three different times in five years

1169
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:46,199
and I have found these pairs of tracks.

1170
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 3: How about how about this one, Matt.

1171
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:51,679
Speaker 4: Okay, that's the little one. That's the little one that

1172
01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:54,400
came March twenty eighth, one week after I first found

1173
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,280
the thirteen inch tracks. And I know you can't zoom

1174
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,119
it in, but like right there in that there's three

1175
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:02,320
of them. I have them circled. That middle track you

1176
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,840
can see where the mid tartl break, where it brought

1177
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,440
up the dirt, and then you can kind of see

1178
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,400
it in the far one too. These were amazing tracks

1179
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,760
in person, Shannon, I wish you were standing there. That

1180
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,920
about took my breath away. Couldn't believe it. These are

1181
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,000
seven and a half by three and a half inches,

1182
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:20,880
white on the same trail, like I said that I

1183
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,280
had worked a week earlier, and they don't.

1184
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 3: They don't walk like we do. They're going right in

1185
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:27,760
front of each other.

1186
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 4: They are. And look at them, straight line all of

1187
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,360
my trackways. Straight line at your other indicator, you know

1188
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,639
there you go. Look at that. They came out of

1189
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:40,960
the grass and this is heading toward that log. I

1190
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,480
said that they must be stepping on to go step

1191
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:46,159
into the river that came out of the woods into

1192
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:49,599
the grass. At this step, then you got the succession

1193
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:52,320
of three and then back into the grass and then

1194
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,440
onto the log heading it was heading north. These little

1195
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,480
ones and the big ones I found a week earlier

1196
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:02,079
were heading south, but right there the same game trail.

1197
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,199
So that's pretty significant. A lot of activity, a lot

1198
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:09,960
of activity out here in central Texas. Sure is I

1199
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,760
am a I am in a researcher's hotspot. Man, I'm

1200
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,119
dream come true where I'm at.

1201
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,599
Speaker 2: Do you ever camp out there at this five hundred

1202
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:19,519
acre property? Do you stay overnight?

1203
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 7: No?

1204
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 4: I won't do it without some other researchers.

1205
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,199
Speaker 3: I'm not one very smart.

1206
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,519
Speaker 4: I'm not a I'm not a night guy. I'm not

1207
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:32,960
if I'm with a group. Like when I was in

1208
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:37,119
Kentucky last week, I thought I had the opportunity to

1209
01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:39,840
go out on a on a night walk and with

1210
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,760
some folks, and that didn't happen. Not sure, ain't going

1211
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,760
in there by myself. And in Kentucky woods are beautiful, man,

1212
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,760
but there's yeah, there's it. And and the mountains or

1213
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,519
state man sixty seventy degree inclines they.

1214
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: Oh Joe and Kentucky there's a lot of caves and

1215
01:03:56,519 --> 01:03:59,440
places you don't want to end up underground somewhere, Matt.

1216
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:02,679
Speaker 4: You know, no, we don't.

1217
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,239
Speaker 3: Need to go subterranean. That's a whole nother bag of

1218
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:07,000
heck to the naw.

1219
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to leave that to the big Foot,

1220
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,880
because I know that's what they gotta do. These are

1221
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,280
living animals, they are, and I don't want to say animals.

1222
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,320
So many people have described that human look to them,

1223
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,519
but I do say species, and that is a word

1224
01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:24,639
I'm comfortable with. It is a species that we're a species.

1225
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:27,800
They are some form of relic commented. And I am

1226
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,760
one hundred percent sure because of what I saw in

1227
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,679
twenty nineteen. Things half human half eight from what I saw,

1228
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,519
and I know there's a lot of people who don't

1229
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:38,239
like to hear that kind of stuff. That's what I saw.

1230
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: Now, what about the stranger's side to Bigfoot? When you're

1231
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,960
out for Bigfoot purposes? Have you seen strange things? Have

1232
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:48,760
you seen UFOs or lights in the woods, or orbs

1233
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,039
in the woods or any shimmering bigfoot or.

1234
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,239
Speaker 3: Anything like that now?

1235
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:59,039
Speaker 4: And that's kind of a fifty to fifty answer right there.

1236
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:03,039
So with my game camera, I have to send you

1237
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:06,920
some pictures. I've had some questions. I've had some questionable

1238
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:11,000
night photos with what you know people might refer to

1239
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:13,199
as orbs. I've never seen them. I've never seen a ghost.

1240
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:15,320
I've never seen anything like I did see a bigfoot

1241
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,719
in fact, And we're getting to this. I told you

1242
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,159
this is all going to get better. I've talked to

1243
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:22,079
a lot of people in Kentucky about this, and I

1244
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:24,480
talked to Doug Hijack and Linked about it last night.

1245
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:27,880
But no, I haven't I haven't seen the stranger side

1246
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,239
of And I'm open minded. I am, I promise you,

1247
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,760
I am. I. You know some people are going to

1248
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,119
look at me and they're going to say, yeah, I

1249
01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:37,719
saw bigfoot walk you know whatever, and then I'm not

1250
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,639
one that's going to say, Okay, so you saw a

1251
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:42,360
ghost or orbs whatever, I'm not doing it. I'm not

1252
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,079
doing it because that's not right. You know. I'm open

1253
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:48,559
to it. Who knows what the stranger side of this

1254
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:52,199
world is. Yeah, so I am open minded. I just

1255
01:05:52,239 --> 01:05:54,960
I haven't witnessed it myself, but my game cameras picked

1256
01:05:55,039 --> 01:06:00,000
up probably thirty or forty really intriguing pictures. I've talked

1257
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:02,239
to several people around the country about that, and I'm

1258
01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:04,039
going to get those pictures to them to look at.

1259
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,599
Makes you wonder what going on there?

1260
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,639
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, and me asking that isn't me automatically

1261
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:12,280
saying that I think that if you said yes, that,

1262
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,239
oh well, it's tied to Bigfoot, of course. It just

1263
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,679
sometimes two different things can be inhabiting the same place

1264
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:19,559
at the same time.

1265
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 4: So thank you, Thank you, my friend. You are right, sister,

1266
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:26,559
And not to bounce all over the place that trying

1267
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:29,199
to decide which one on one to talk about. Okay,

1268
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:31,159
I'm going to go back to my twenty nineteen real quick,

1269
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:35,960
and then we're going to get back to May seventeenth.

1270
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:39,920
That was significant and you're fixing to find out so

1271
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:45,480
the twenty nineteen sighting. Now, like I said, I used

1272
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:50,800
Patty for scale, and I do that because I think

1273
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,280
I sent you some pictures of the gray scale overlay

1274
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,639
that Peter Burn had put together. Yeah, with the man

1275
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,400
with the man Hoskins, and he was a man of

1276
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,920
known high around six foot and did the gray scale overlay.

1277
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,039
And Patty walk into it, and they used. I lean

1278
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:09,280
into science, and I do lean into mathematics. I just

1279
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,400
always have. I'll always been that kind of guy anyway

1280
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:17,199
in my brain. But doctor Meldrim, he stood with these numbers,

1281
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,599
and I stand with these numbers mainly because doctor Meltrim,

1282
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:27,400
did you know, God rest his soul. She was. We're

1283
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,119
in the in the gray scale overlay where Roger Patterson's

1284
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:35,800
knees hit the hit the creek bank, you know, uh,

1285
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,000
and where Patty's trackway is. And with those logs, those

1286
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:43,159
and those known trees, they were able to mathematically approximately

1287
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:47,840
calculate her height with distance and known objects, and they

1288
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,199
calculated her eighty seven and a half inches, that seven

1289
01:07:51,239 --> 01:07:54,000
foot three and a half. Doctor Meldrim stood by that,

1290
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,639
and I understand it after seeing the gray scale overlay.

1291
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,320
I refer to it all the time, and then doctor

1292
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,039
Meldrim said that I got to meet him in twenty

1293
01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:06,320
twenty one at the Texas Bigfoot Conference. He said, with

1294
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,960
that seven foot three and a half inch frame and

1295
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:13,960
with the measurements they were able to calculate on thickness

1296
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,439
and shoulder width and everything that was there calculated into

1297
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,239
muscle mass weight that she was probably seven to eight

1298
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:25,199
hundred pounds. And then looking at that gray scale overlay

1299
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:28,520
with Hotskins standing there, It's like, okay, I can go

1300
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,840
with that. So I refer to that, and that's where

1301
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,279
I come with my numbers on the bigfoot that I

1302
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,079
saw in twenty nineteen. That set me down this rabbit

1303
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:39,000
hole that I'm in, and I won't even try to

1304
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:40,840
crawl out of this rabbit hole. I love it. I'll

1305
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,880
be here till the day I die. The one I

1306
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:48,039
saw down near Silver Valley, Texas, it was it was

1307
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:51,039
bigger than Patty. He was taller than Paddy, and he

1308
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:55,239
probably outweighed her by one hundred and fifty two hundred pounds.

1309
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,800
And they estimated Patty at seven to eight hundred, so

1310
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,159
this guy had to be nine hundred and two one thousand.

1311
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,319
You see where I'm going with this, and then my

1312
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,920
line of sight sitting in that tractor trailer, in that

1313
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:10,479
seat and looking out across there, and he was taller.

1314
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,840
That's why I say seven and a half eight foot tall.

1315
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,680
I got my reasons why I come up with my numbers,

1316
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,479
and I'll always stick with them. Nothing's going to change

1317
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,159
my mind at all. I've heard people say that Patty

1318
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:24,279
was probably six six and a half foot tall. No, no, no, no,

1319
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,159
I don't go with that. I don't go with that,

1320
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,880
especially after that mail. I saw, oh, now with that,

1321
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,560
we're going to get back to the handprint, okay, And

1322
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:41,000
that happened. That happened on April the nineteenth, okay, this year,

1323
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,840
and then May seventeenth. I found a lot of questionable

1324
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,039
stuff within that last month. And there was one weekend

1325
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:51,960
I wasn't able to get out there, but I found

1326
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,000
some questionable things. You know, you're always looking, you always

1327
01:09:55,119 --> 01:09:59,359
down in the woods looking. I get out there on

1328
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:02,760
May se It was just after nine o'clock in the morning.

1329
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,600
Whenever I got there, the property owner was already there.

1330
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,239
He'd already opened the gates. He was sitting at the

1331
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:13,359
picnic table in front of his cabin, and so he

1332
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,319
was facing the cabin. When I pulled up, his back

1333
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,359
was to the river. Okay, he said, the rivers, you know,

1334
01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:23,239
getting close to one hundred yards down there from the

1335
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:26,279
cabin too. Well, where the cabin is, that's probably about

1336
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,960
seventy five yards the way that comes around. And so

1337
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,960
Nick kind of gets up walks toward my truck and

1338
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:35,479
you know, say, how you doing that? How you doing buddy? Like,

1339
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,920
hey man, how you doing brother? And then he turned

1340
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,479
around and went and sat back on at that picnic table,

1341
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,640
and he was facing the cabin, the cabin right in

1342
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,640
front of him, about ten twelve feet and he's facing

1343
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,520
the cabin. And I get out and come sitting down

1344
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,920
beside him on the bench, got my phone out, and

1345
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,159
we're kind of going over some stuff, and we're talking

1346
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:58,560
about the handprint, what we're trying to do, and I'm

1347
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,159
getting ready to go to Kentucky. You know. We sat

1348
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:03,640
there and talked for about four or five minutes, and

1349
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:06,640
I remember I shut my phone and I stuck it

1350
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,039
in my back pocket, and I kind of turned to

1351
01:11:09,079 --> 01:11:12,079
my right to face him, because I'd been cocking my

1352
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:13,920
head to the right for about three or four or

1353
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,720
five minutes. So I just kind of repositioned myself and

1354
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,920
faced him. And when I did, here we go. Me

1355
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,800
and Doug talked about this last night and the people

1356
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,880
in Kentucky. Oh my god, I told this story so

1357
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,920
many times this last week. I looked at the property

1358
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,680
owner and as soon as I did, he started to

1359
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,680
say something. But something caught my peripheral vision. I kind

1360
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,560
of stopped there, hold on, and I looked, and I

1361
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:43,840
got a half second look of the female Channon, and

1362
01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:48,520
he looked. He caught a blur, so we both saw it.

1363
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,159
He just caught a blur. I got about a half

1364
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:53,520
second of her, and she just kind of ducked her

1365
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,079
head down about maybe six eight ten inches going forward,

1366
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:01,239
and she bolted. She bolted north. She was about thirty

1367
01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:05,439
yards behind us in the brush on the way down

1368
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:10,359
to the river, really big trees, heavy brush, vines and briars,

1369
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,239
and there was an opening up between these two big trees.

1370
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,279
It was just an opening, and I was able to

1371
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:20,319
see her from about maybe where her armpits are up.

1372
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:25,039
And she was that light seed, the red color, kind

1373
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:27,720
of that centnamon they talk about, but light seed, the

1374
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,840
red color. Her hair was about as long as my

1375
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,840
fingers all jacked up on her head or shoulders, and

1376
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,840
what I saw, and she lowered her head and she

1377
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,800
bolted north, and I jumped up. And the property owners

1378
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,520
always got a gun on him. Well, he was wearing

1379
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,880
his camels shorts that morning, sitting at that picnic table,

1380
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,119
and he didn't have his gun on him. And the dog.

1381
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:54,199
I guess his dog was in the truck. I can't remember,

1382
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:56,399
tell you the truth, because some of that became a blur.

1383
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:00,119
And I jumped up and I chased after her, and

1384
01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:03,960
I did where she was behind us about thirty yards

1385
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:07,600
or so. It's about a six to seven foot drop

1386
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,439
in elevation going down toward the river area, and she

1387
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,279
was in that little opening, and I think she was

1388
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:17,119
probably there when I pulled up, and she was probably

1389
01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:20,960
spying the property owner, you know, watching hill. And I

1390
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,319
sat there and then she moved and I caught a

1391
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:26,720
glimpse of her. I caught about a half second when

1392
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,000
she bolted. I did. I jumped up and I told him,

1393
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,479
I said, I said, there, it is grave your gun,

1394
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,520
And I mean I ran, I ran above her, and

1395
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,720
we have all this rush between us, and mind you,

1396
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,039
it's green down in there. It's beautiful down in there.

1397
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,840
She's down below me. She went north. I'm run north.

1398
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,920
I'm above her, and I drew my gun. I drew

1399
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:51,319
my gun. It was my little Bretta three eighty. I

1400
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:52,199
always have it on me.

1401
01:13:52,359 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 3: Why did you draw your gun?

1402
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:59,199
Speaker 4: Man has scared me. It scared me, And I know

1403
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:02,760
I have a young one out there. And you know something,

1404
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,600
even when you're at home, you think about it. Man,

1405
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,800
don't piss her off, just like pissing off of mama.

1406
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,920
Bear with her guves, right. But I chased after her

1407
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,800
and I drew it. Just if I needed it. I

1408
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,600
wouldn't have gone going after a shoot her. I just

1409
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,399
wanted to see her again. But you never know what's

1410
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,159
going to happen, right, And so I did draw my gun,

1411
01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:23,680
and I chambered one. You know, come to find out

1412
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:26,159
after this fact, I'll tell I'll get to the gun

1413
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:28,199
here in a minute. It scared me, That's why I

1414
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:31,039
drew it. And I'm running now. I ran probably fifty

1415
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:34,159
yards above her, trying to look through the brush, look through.

1416
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:37,039
I hadn't run that fast and probably twenty five years

1417
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:38,640
and I knew I had. I knew I had a

1418
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,560
game trail coming up. I had to cover about fifty

1419
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,800
yards up there to get to that game trail. Been

1420
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,039
up and down that game trail twenty times. And when

1421
01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:50,000
you cut down that game trail, which I did, it

1422
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:52,399
goes down about twenty five feet or so and it

1423
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,760
splits to the left and or you can stay to

1424
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,199
the right, and I stayed to the right. I we

1425
01:14:56,199 --> 01:14:59,159
was just trying to cut her off and see her. Yeah,

1426
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,479
I wasn't trying to sho. I won't ever shoot one

1427
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,960
nless I had to. It had to be self defense.

1428
01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:06,119
I mean, just you know, my life was theirs whatever.

1429
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,159
But it was just my little breadth of three eighty.

1430
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,560
And always wear it out there. I wear it all

1431
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,720
the time anyway, because of the mountain lions and the hogs.

1432
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,399
That's why I always have a gun on me out there.

1433
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,800
And I always have my knife on my belt too,

1434
01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:21,800
a big knife. Anyway, I never did see her again,

1435
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,840
And the whole time I was chasing after, I never

1436
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,000
saw her down through that brush and that stuffs thick.

1437
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,920
Didn't see her, didn't smell her, and didn't hear her.

1438
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,880
But when she bolted, sister, she was gone. They're fast,

1439
01:15:34,079 --> 01:15:35,279
they are so fast.

1440
01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 3: Hey, at least you try, right. I mean, I don't

1441
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,479
think you're gonna catch them, but at least you tried.

1442
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,039
You got a little cardio out of it.

1443
01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 2: Your heart's pumping because you're scared on top of it.

1444
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,399
Speaker 4: As much as my heart was pumping when I when

1445
01:15:49,399 --> 01:15:52,760
I went in behind that tree structure a few weeks earlier,

1446
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,319
my heart was it was going off the charts and

1447
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,840
going down that game trail, trying to cut her off.

1448
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,840
And I'm looking back the way she would have had

1449
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,039
to come and where she could have went, and I

1450
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:07,880
couldn't see nothing of hers. I did investigate that whole

1451
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,720
area for the next hour. I worked my way back

1452
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,199
the way she would have had to come. The property

1453
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:15,039
owner's still up there. He's got his gun on him

1454
01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:17,520
now and he's still up there in front of the cabin.

1455
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,159
And I said he's got bad copd. And he never

1456
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:24,279
saw anything either. I mean, I'm looking all in that

1457
01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:26,800
brush and everything. I'm just so excited. I can't even

1458
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,199
tell you how excited I was. I finally got to

1459
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:33,439
look at my female well. Her track sizes are thirteen

1460
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,119
inches and I found them in three different locations, and

1461
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:39,439
they're impressive. And with the young ones, I'm thinking of

1462
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:45,560
female because Patty's trackway her tracks for fifteen inches. Okay,

1463
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:48,920
so with the fifteen inches, and I told Doug Hychek

1464
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,039
about this, he was like, ye, no, you're probably right, Matt.

1465
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,560
Patty's was fifteen inches. These are thirteen, and I have

1466
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,000
the young ones tracks, and so I'm thinking, Okay, if

1467
01:16:59,079 --> 01:17:01,159
Patty was seven foot three and a half with a

1468
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:05,800
fifteen inch track and these are thirteen, she's probably somewhere

1469
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:11,279
between six and a half seven feet tall, right, educated guests, Well,

1470
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:14,760
where I saw her at about the armpit level. I

1471
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,880
had the property owners sit exactly where I was sitting

1472
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:22,000
on that bench, looking back into that opening of briers

1473
01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:25,359
that were as high as where this girl's armpits were.

1474
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:28,279
And I went back down this other trail and back

1475
01:17:28,319 --> 01:17:32,079
down to where she. In my brain stood that there

1476
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,319
was these two saplings between these trees and a lot

1477
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:37,800
of brush, a lot of vines, a lot of briers,

1478
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:41,319
and these two limbs come out from these two saplings

1479
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,279
toward each other and that opening, and they don't touch

1480
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:46,279
in their clothes, and they got little leaves on them,

1481
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,479
but they just kind of come out and it almost

1482
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,800
makes like a horizontal line. If you're looking at her right,

1483
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,119
and her armpit was at that level, so her head

1484
01:17:57,239 --> 01:18:00,159
was above that. And I went down there and he

1485
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:03,520
sat where I sat, and my head was about a

1486
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:09,800
foot under that. I had him watching this. So she's

1487
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,439
under seven foot and she's a light set of red color,

1488
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,960
and she's fast, and she was probably less than two

1489
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,960
feet thick. It was a quick look, but it was

1490
01:18:21,039 --> 01:18:24,680
like a quick photograph I got. I got the left

1491
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,119
side of her face and her head. I don't think

1492
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:31,439
it was as big as a basketball, maybe, but I

1493
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,800
don't think so. You couldn't really see a neck, but

1494
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,960
you could see the head and the shoulders and her

1495
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,760
back when she darted. She might have been three feet

1496
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:43,479
at the shoulders maybe, and maybe under and probably under

1497
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:52,000
two feet thick. And that light seat of red color you.

1498
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: You mentioned h even in your Silver Valley sighting, and

1499
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,199
this young lady.

1500
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:02,359
Speaker 3: Here, yeah, there, the hair on their head was jacked up.

1501
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,239
What do you make about that?

1502
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,119
Speaker 4: I don't know, just messy. They don't walk around with

1503
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:10,920
brushes and combs, man, they're out in the woods, born

1504
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,079
and raised there. Yeah.

1505
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:15,560
Speaker 2: Other than that, though, was the rest of especially the

1506
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,359
one that you saw from the truck because you got

1507
01:19:17,399 --> 01:19:20,760
a better look at it other than the hair, other

1508
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,439
than the hair on the head, or for whatever. Did

1509
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:28,000
it look quite clean, you know, did the blacks was

1510
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,880
it shiny, or did he look kind of you know, dirty,

1511
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,640
roughed up anything, because it sounds like he just went

1512
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,520
probably through a tornado, which is maybe another reason why

1513
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:37,319
he even saw him.

1514
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's gone through my head a lot, even

1515
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,159
from the moment that that all happened. His hair, like

1516
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,560
I said, was probably an inch and a half. I

1517
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,439
think I sent you a picture of a mountain gorilla

1518
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:54,840
just that kind of that smooth to the skin hair look. Yeah,

1519
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,399
but probably an inch and a half. People have asked

1520
01:19:57,399 --> 01:19:59,760
me about that shine or was it a dull black?

1521
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:02,319
You know, I really couldn't tell you. I just know

1522
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:05,920
that it was jet black, whether it had a sheen

1523
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,239
to it or not. Even though the sun was hitting him,

1524
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,600
I could see the muscles each side of the spine.

1525
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,439
The traps were stupid big tapered down to really a

1526
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,039
thick way, so it didn't taper down like a bodybuilder.

1527
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,960
But the hair was fairly short. You know. You hear

1528
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,079
a lot of people talk about the dreads or the

1529
01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:25,359
longer hair of the six eight inch hair all over them,

1530
01:20:25,399 --> 01:20:28,680
now not this guy. And you could see the muscles.

1531
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,199
I couldn't see the little fine muscles, the little trick.

1532
01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:34,079
I couldn't see that, not at that distance. But I

1533
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:36,640
could see the big ones. You could see the muscles

1534
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,159
on the back like you could see an arm. They

1535
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:42,720
were so big and they have the same It's like

1536
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,840
they have the same muscles we do, only bigger, impressive.

1537
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,800
And I've said it. You know, you hear about ranchers

1538
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,720
and farmers talking about cows and goats and stuff go

1539
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,880
missing off the property. You know, Yeah, this thing I

1540
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,920
saw they could put a cow over and shoulder and

1541
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,439
step over a fence problem. This thing was massive.

1542
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 2: So Matt, before I let you go, would you humor

1543
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,439
me by would you Okay, so the bigfoot that's behind

1544
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,920
you the cutout, is that about the size of the

1545
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,159
one that you saw in Silver Valley from the truck.

1546
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 4: I want to say that it is, because I do guess.

1547
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, it's just a guess, and that's fine, But

1548
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,199
would you would you humor me by going over?

1549
01:21:24,319 --> 01:21:27,359
Speaker 3: And this for everybody of watching on Patreon and YouTube.

1550
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 2: But Matt is going to go stand by this because

1551
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,479
I always say how hard it is to imagine the

1552
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:35,680
size of these things.

1553
01:21:36,079 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 3: Look at that. Oh my gracious. Yeah.

1554
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,119
Speaker 4: So the one in Silver Valley was at least that tall,

1555
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:45,439
and that's my guess, and that's why I bought this one.

1556
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:49,119
He's seven and a half, yeah, feet tall, and he

1557
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:50,800
was the one I saw was seven and a half

1558
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,319
to eight and that that that was from my point

1559
01:21:53,359 --> 01:21:55,640
of view, that's pretty impressive, isn't it.

1560
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,079
Speaker 3: It is so impressive.

1561
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:02,359
Speaker 2: But I have to say, you know, if you're out,

1562
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,479
you know, around a campfire, and that thing walks into

1563
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,479
your camp I mean, that's a completely different situation than

1564
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,479
sitting in an eighteen wheeler right now.

1565
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 4: It is, it is and and and even though I

1566
01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:16,159
was in the safety of that eighteen wheeler, it scared

1567
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:20,239
shit out of me, Shannon immediately, it did. Uh and

1568
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:23,079
I and and I say, nine thirty five am because

1569
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,960
when and when this guy walked after this event, and

1570
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:29,960
I went past the workers on the other side of

1571
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,880
the creek, and I got maybe a mile further down

1572
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,119
the road, it hit me to look at and I

1573
01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:39,279
looked at my watch and it was almost nine thirty

1574
01:22:39,319 --> 01:22:42,840
seven And I immediately thought to myself. I saw this

1575
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,640
thing about nine thirty five am. That's when I saw it.

1576
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,520
And uh, bright, beautiful sunny day. When it got to

1577
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,039
that tree line. When it got to that tree line,

1578
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:57,760
he walked in and he just disappeared like smoke. And

1579
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,600
I've told people, move a bunch of tree limbs out

1580
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,720
of the way and make this ruckie. He he just

1581
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:08,800
blended in so fast and so easily. I get it.

1582
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,199
An animal camouflage. It is no joke. And I've been

1583
01:23:12,279 --> 01:23:14,960
rabbit hunting before and stop, take a break, and there's

1584
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,119
a rabbit right there beside me. I never saw it

1585
01:23:17,319 --> 01:23:19,279
out go out in the wood down there between Brady and

1586
01:23:19,319 --> 01:23:21,520
Brady Lake, and I took Yeah, I took a break

1587
01:23:22,199 --> 01:23:24,960
and after about ten minutes sitting on this log and

1588
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:26,840
bring it some water. I looked to my right, so

1589
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,720
it made me look to my right ten twelve feet

1590
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,560
away from me. It was a great fox. She just

1591
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,119
sitting there looking at me the whole time, and I

1592
01:23:33,159 --> 01:23:34,079
never knew she was there.

1593
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are incredible, that is true.

1594
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 4: And what they are, you know, there's a very significant

1595
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:45,279
part to the Silver Valley story. Okay, I've done a

1596
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:48,279
couple of podcasts already. And I've been told, man, you

1597
01:23:48,319 --> 01:23:51,840
need to mention it. You keep forgetting And I don't

1598
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,640
talk about it a lot, sometimes on purpose, but I

1599
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,000
will say it because the truth is the truth, period,

1600
01:23:58,079 --> 01:24:00,520
and that's just who I am said. I'm not going

1601
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,960
to embellish anything, and I'm not gonna you know, I'm

1602
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,760
not gonna lie and make stuff up. I'm just telling

1603
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,960
what happened. And you know, people can believe it or not.

1604
01:24:08,039 --> 01:24:13,680
I'm just but after and when this thing went into

1605
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,600
the woods, I mean, that was the last I saw

1606
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,159
of me, you know, And I'll never get that image

1607
01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:21,119
out of my head. The way he just went in.

1608
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,960
It was like smoke. Man, he was gone. I go

1609
01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:28,159
past these workers and I make my way to come

1610
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:30,640
and I've got this load of fuel to deliver, right

1611
01:24:31,319 --> 01:24:33,399
And I did, and I had to go back to tabling.

1612
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,600
And I was so excited and I was so emped up.

1613
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:38,359
I could not wait to get this fuel in the ground.

1614
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,600
And I had unleaded gas, I had premium gas lane,

1615
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,640
and I had diesel clear diesel. And I didn't mix them.

1616
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,640
I didn't put the wrong ones down in the ground

1617
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,119
in the wrong spot. Man. I got it right, got

1618
01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:52,439
in paperwork, signed, and I hauled ass forrabling. And when

1619
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,960
I started getting closer to where I saw this thing,

1620
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:59,319
I slowed my tractor down, no faster than forty miles

1621
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:03,000
an hour, you know, thirty five maybe, and I've got

1622
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,479
my four way hazard one like something's wrong. There wasn't

1623
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,720
nothing wrong with my tractor. I had to slow it

1624
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,119
down because I'm looking. I'm getting closer to this area,

1625
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,920
so I slow it down. I've got my four way

1626
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:18,000
flashers going, and I'm just, man, I'm just I'm looking.

1627
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:20,520
My head is on a swivel and I'm looking. I'm

1628
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,439
looking as deep and far and fast as I could.

1629
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,920
And I came up on a sheriff's car, a sheriff's

1630
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,800
deputy car, I guess a shriff's car. It was on

1631
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,359
the right hand shoulder. And this is within a mile.

1632
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,800
You got to remember this from where I saw this guy.

1633
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:42,880
Within a mile, I passed the shriff's car. It's on

1634
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,319
the shoulder, and it's driving real slow, you know, fifteen

1635
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:49,800
twenty miles an hour on the highway, right around the

1636
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,279
area where I saw this guy. And then I'm going

1637
01:25:53,359 --> 01:25:56,119
up and I'm getting closer to my area, and another

1638
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:59,399
stairs car was coming from the other way, heading back

1639
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:04,000
toward car Real, slow on the shoulder, and shortly after

1640
01:26:04,079 --> 01:26:08,199
him was a third one. And I recalled later that

1641
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:13,399
when I left Coleman, there was a a sherif's vehicle

1642
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,439
or law enforcement villa that was going back toward Comban.

1643
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:20,279
Uh after I got out of Coman, But I had

1644
01:26:20,319 --> 01:26:23,880
those four ways on. I passed three of them right.

1645
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 6: There in that area where I saw it, Channon, I

1646
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:26,880
ain't the only one that saw that guy.

1647
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,279
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it was that work crew

1648
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,640
that called. They could have never saw it where they stood.

1649
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,560
I've been out there, but just it roaming through that area,

1650
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,279
you know, somebody else had to say it. Oh yeah,

1651
01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:41,880
somebody called the law Oh yeah, they were there and

1652
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,439
they did, and I said it that's what it struck me,

1653
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,560
as like they looked like they were looking for escape prisoners.

1654
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,720
They were driving real slow on both sides of the highway, Man,

1655
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,000
and it's like they were looking for escape prisoners. I went,

1656
01:26:54,079 --> 01:26:55,439
I ain't the only one that saw it that way.

1657
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Except they're not going to find it or see

1658
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,600
it unless it really screws up or it wants them

1659
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:02,159
to see it.

1660
01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:05,359
Speaker 4: So well, I've said it. No, I caught mine in

1661
01:27:05,399 --> 01:27:07,319
the open. Mine was an accident.

1662
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 3: Work Yeah, yeah, yeah, he wasn't happy, but you were. Yeah. Well,

1663
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,159
I'm so happy that you were able to lift so

1664
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:20,520
much evidence off of that handprint. And I cannot wait

1665
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,399
to hear what happens with that. It sounds like you

1666
01:27:22,399 --> 01:27:24,800
have a lot of great people involved with that. And

1667
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,760
I love that you go out so much, and you

1668
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,439
love that you go out so much.

1669
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 2: Okay, last question before I let you go. Okay, you've

1670
01:27:32,039 --> 01:27:34,479
heard you've heard me ask this question. If you've ever

1671
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,960
heard my show, I already know you may know what's coming.

1672
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,159
Are you worried that, because you've already said you go

1673
01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:44,399
out pretty much by yourself all the time, are you

1674
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,880
worried that you're going to have one of those kinds

1675
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,239
of encounters that makes you decide you.

1676
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 3: Don't ever want to go back out? You you do

1677
01:27:53,079 --> 01:27:53,800
you worry about that?

1678
01:27:54,319 --> 01:27:58,159
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I do. Every time I go. I'm drawled

1679
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:00,279
up and I always say a little prayer to God.

1680
01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:03,399
I know what's in these woods and I'm seeing them.

1681
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:06,880
And it took me seven years May seventeenth. It took

1682
01:28:07,079 --> 01:28:10,800
it took think about it May twentieth, May seventeenth. It

1683
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,159
took seven years for me to see my second one.

1684
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,680
And there again, I just caught a glimpse of it.

1685
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,039
I could have never seen her while we were there.

1686
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,760
I'm always worried. I always say a prayer when I

1687
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,760
go into the woods. I'm always armed. I'm always got

1688
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,159
my forty four magnum on my hip. It's a Smith

1689
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:29,760
and Wesson Red Hawk. It's a powerful gun. Now I've

1690
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,560
got my twelve gage pump and I carry heavy ammunition

1691
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,319
in that. Both of those firearms will drop an elephant

1692
01:28:36,319 --> 01:28:40,239
at close range. Don't ever, ever ever want to use them.

1693
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,800
My little BURRETTA three eighty, that is that's just a case,

1694
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,640
Like I said, a mountain line or something comes at

1695
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:50,680
men hogs. Yeah, I do. That were people. So I

1696
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,359
do have that fear factor. How can you not You

1697
01:28:53,399 --> 01:28:58,159
cannot see something like that? And you know, and people

1698
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,159
people talk about that, they say they see something, they

1699
01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:03,880
see these things they said, they just they put it

1700
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,199
out of their head. They don't think about it anymore.

1701
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:09,560
And then ten years, twenty years go by and they're like, okay,

1702
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,439
I'm going to talk. You can't put this out of

1703
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,359
your head. You cannot put this out of your head.

1704
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:18,319
I think about it. I'll go sometimes, you know, days

1705
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,199
without thinking about it. Doesn't mean it don't cross my mind.

1706
01:29:21,239 --> 01:29:24,239
I'm just not really aware of it. But yeah, I

1707
01:29:24,279 --> 01:29:26,840
think about it seven years later all the time, and

1708
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,680
I think about my next trip into the woods and

1709
01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:34,319
my last trip in the woods. And I love it. It's addictive,

1710
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,680
and once you see one, you're either you're either never

1711
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:42,279
going in the woods again or you are. And for me,

1712
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:47,800
Shannon June the fourteenth, eight days from now, there's going

1713
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,279
to be fifteen years that my twenty year old son died.

1714
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:55,439
He died in Lovetock, Texas. That was Ryan. And I've

1715
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:59,119
told this story. This is ryan dream. It's been on

1716
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:02,800
my hands today. He died and I put this story

1717
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:08,199
on Ryan. And so I've asked God over the years,

1718
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,319
and why did my son die? And why did I

1719
01:30:12,319 --> 01:30:17,039
see Bigfoot. I'm getting busy living, I'm not getting busy

1720
01:30:17,119 --> 01:30:20,199
dying there And I love what I do and I'll

1721
01:30:20,199 --> 01:30:23,560
never stop. Doctor Jeff Meldrim told me, and I've told

1722
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,920
a lot of people. Doctor Meldrim looked me right in

1723
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,920
my eyes that twenty twenty one big Foot conference I

1724
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,239
had some alone time with him right there at his table,

1725
01:30:33,319 --> 01:30:36,159
and I showed him pictures where I saw this one

1726
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:38,640
in twenty nineteen. And he looked me right in my

1727
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:44,359
eyes and he said, discovery leads to knowledge. And he said,

1728
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:48,520
and that knowledge will lead to new discoveries. He said,

1729
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,479
never stop looking, Matt, And I have it and I

1730
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:56,239
never will. And I promise what he said resonated with

1731
01:30:56,359 --> 01:30:59,960
me and he meant it. And I have you know

1732
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,399
of the nineteen eighty two Grays Harvard County, Washington cast

1733
01:31:04,039 --> 01:31:09,079
cast by Dennis Hereford, Deputy Shriff. Doctor Meldrim told me

1734
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:11,680
this is one of the best casts ever, if not

1735
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:16,600
the best cast print ever. I bought it and I

1736
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,880
show it to everybody. People need to know these things

1737
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,479
are real. There's a lot of idiots out there, and

1738
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,199
there's a lot of morons out there, and there's a

1739
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:26,239
lot of liars out there. I ain't one of them.

1740
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,359
I'm dedicated to what I do because I saw it

1741
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,359
and I want to see I want to see them again,

1742
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,520
and I want to see them face on. I want

1743
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,800
to see what everybody's talking about that on that look.

1744
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,560
If I die in the woods by one of these

1745
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:43,079
things or rattlesnake bite. Okay, God's got my number anyway.

1746
01:31:43,159 --> 01:31:45,920
I'm not trying to push the envelope. But I can

1747
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,079
get in my pickup and I can go from here

1748
01:31:48,079 --> 01:31:50,079
to Walmart. Man, I ain't get killed along the way,

1749
01:31:50,399 --> 01:31:53,319
That is true. Get busy living, get busy living, or

1750
01:31:53,319 --> 01:31:55,680
get busy dying. And I love the adventure and I'll

1751
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,159
never stop. I just I need to get some more

1752
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:00,279
research people. And I've got a couple of them here.

1753
01:32:00,359 --> 01:32:02,640
I ain't gotten in the woods with them, but we're

1754
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,720
going to. That's gonna put my mind to these a

1755
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,760
lot when I go into woods, because it's scary, Shannon,

1756
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,359
it's scary. And I've told people. I've told people. I've

1757
01:32:10,399 --> 01:32:15,399
told them, you know, people that you get these trolls.

1758
01:32:16,079 --> 01:32:16,279
Speaker 2: You know.

1759
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 4: I don't mind skepticism. You know, Skepticism can lead you

1760
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,159
down a path to new questions when somebody says something

1761
01:32:23,159 --> 01:32:24,800
to you right, something you may not have thought about.

1762
01:32:25,239 --> 01:32:27,399
Skepticism is a good thing. I don't have a problem

1763
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,520
with that. I got a problem with asshos. There's somebody

1764
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,680
that's gonna call me a liar. Yeah, you know, we

1765
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,600
can go out back, buddy, right now, let's go.

1766
01:32:35,159 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 2: But the problem is they don't ever want to take

1767
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,239
it that far. They're just tough online.

1768
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 4: They are, and uh, I don't. I don't pay them

1769
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,319
any mind, and I never will. I'm not going to

1770
01:32:47,319 --> 01:32:49,000
give them the time of day. But the fact is,

1771
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,600
and I say it, And you've been there, you know, Shannon,

1772
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:54,560
And I followed you. I've been following you for a while.

1773
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,079
My friend pull up out in the woods somewhere. You

1774
01:32:57,119 --> 01:32:59,760
go out, you go off. I went out. I went

1775
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:04,840
out Live Blackburn gave me directions to a place. I

1776
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,199
drove to Kentucky and I drove back and I took

1777
01:33:07,239 --> 01:33:11,079
my time coming back, and I did walk abouts in

1778
01:33:11,159 --> 01:33:14,680
Tennessee twice, and I did walk abouts in Arkansas. And

1779
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,479
I was outside of Arkansas. Lile Blackburn told me of

1780
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,560
this place to go, and I went, this is on

1781
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:24,239
a Monday. This is this last Monday. There wasn't nobody

1782
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:26,760
out there. And it's called by You's boat Ramp. It's

1783
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,279
in Alex Smith Park. And what did I do. I

1784
01:33:30,279 --> 01:33:32,119
crawled out of my truck and I put my forty

1785
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:33,760
four on my hip and I did a walk about.

1786
01:33:34,319 --> 01:33:36,720
And that place has got an eerie feeling. But I

1787
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:42,119
tell people that don't know or that wonder, and you'll

1788
01:33:42,119 --> 01:33:44,760
know what I'm saying is true. You can get out

1789
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,800
in a place like that. When you shut that door,

1790
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:50,880
it's already quiet. And then you walk one hundred and

1791
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,520
fifty feet into those woods and you just stop and

1792
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,039
stand there and listen. You're in a whole new world,

1793
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,359
and everything for one hundred and fifty yard card that

1794
01:34:00,399 --> 01:34:05,760
lives in those woods knows you're there. Lizards, bobcats, squirrels.

1795
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:09,159
You ain't gonna sneak up on Bigfoot. You got to

1796
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:11,439
get lucky, and you got to get them acclimated to you.

1797
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,640
I think that's what's happened out here. She's gotten acclimated,

1798
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:16,960
she's gotten comfortable with me. And I keep a I

1799
01:34:17,039 --> 01:34:20,239
keep a I keep a positive. I've been told by

1800
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:24,119
a couple of investigators that think positive, think good. And

1801
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:27,079
I do and and and and in my heart and

1802
01:34:27,119 --> 01:34:30,279
in my mind, I let them know without saying that

1803
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,720
I'm not here to hurt you. I just want to

1804
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,720
know about you. I want to see you again. These guns,

1805
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,920
and I think she knows that they're they're for the

1806
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:40,119
mountain lions and they're for the hogs. Because I project

1807
01:34:40,119 --> 01:34:43,840
that mentally and and it's it's good for your soul

1808
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,319
to get brave and go live in adventure. Now do

1809
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,239
every chance I'm doing it in the morning. I can't

1810
01:34:49,239 --> 01:34:53,479
wait and wait and listen Channing. Uh, I know you've

1811
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,920
been out here to Texas, sister, and uh, you're right.

1812
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:01,239
Those hogs are like little gangs. But in October, I'm

1813
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:04,319
going to the Texas Bigfoot Conference Craig Woolheater and all

1814
01:35:04,359 --> 01:35:06,359
them Adam Davies are all going to be there, loud

1815
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:11,520
like Bernal. That's Friday and Saturday event Sunday. I have

1816
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:13,800
a really good friend used to live here and he

1817
01:35:14,279 --> 01:35:20,000
moved back home. He's from Panola County. He's Texas piney Woods.

1818
01:35:19,279 --> 01:35:23,680
He's he's taking me down in the Sabine River bottoms

1819
01:35:24,079 --> 01:35:25,880
and uh, he's going to guide me down in there.

1820
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:29,319
He knows his way and his friends and uh, I've

1821
01:35:29,319 --> 01:35:32,720
got another researcher here. We're gonna we're going to see

1822
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:34,640
what happens with that with him. He's going to be

1823
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,680
at the conference. And you know about them piney Wood, Shannon.

1824
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,800
I'm going down in the river bottom sunny and these

1825
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,680
things out there, they don't play. They charge you a

1826
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,319
lot of reports, a lot of reports out of East Texas.

1827
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bigfoot out there get a little steamy, little

1828
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,479
hot under the collar and they act a whole lot

1829
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:55,640
pissed off sometimes from the sounds of it.

1830
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 4: So, yeah, you've been out there. The heat out there

1831
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,720
ain't no joke. I think I don't go out there

1832
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:01,840
until October anyway.

1833
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 3: Skeeters and hogs and packs of wild dogs and interesting life.

1834
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,239
Speaker 2: Well, the people are the scariest thing always in the

1835
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:11,279
woods anyway.

1836
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,600
Speaker 4: But you know they are. They're some of the toughest

1837
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,840
people I've ever talked to in my life. Yeah, they

1838
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:16,760
don't play and.

1839
01:36:17,119 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 2: Well just people in general, Uh, you know, can be

1840
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,520
the scariest things in the woods. I just don't want

1841
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,560
you to have a bad experience because I can tell

1842
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,960
how much you going out there for bigfoot.

1843
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:31,159
Speaker 3: I really don't. But Matt, did you want to? And

1844
01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:31,840
you don't have to?

1845
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,600
Speaker 2: But I always offer this to anybody that's a researcher.

1846
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:36,520
Did you want to give out any of your social

1847
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,760
media or because I didn't mention your last name. I

1848
01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:41,399
never do that unless somebody wants me to, So that's

1849
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:42,279
up to you.

1850
01:36:42,279 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 3: You do not have to do that.

1851
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,199
Speaker 4: No, you can't. People can reach out to me. They

1852
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:50,319
can find me on Facebook. I'm Matt Langford. You can

1853
01:36:50,359 --> 01:36:53,479
find me on Facebook. I'm good with that. I'm one

1854
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,720
of those. I'm one of those people. You want to

1855
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,119
talk bigfoot, you know, talk if you want to talk shit,

1856
01:36:59,239 --> 01:37:01,880
don't bother me. I found thickfoot. I can find you.

1857
01:37:02,039 --> 01:37:03,680
Don't do it. Yeah, don't do it?

1858
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:04,319
Speaker 3: Amen?

1859
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Amen. Sister. If you're out, if you're out,

1860
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,520
if you're out near Jefferson, Texas, near East Texas in

1861
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:14,359
October for that conference, let's get together. If you want

1862
01:37:14,359 --> 01:37:16,359
to go down with the Bean River Bottles with your people,

1863
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,079
we'll go because I got a guy taking us. Think

1864
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:21,000
about that. Keep that on your calendar if you can

1865
01:37:21,039 --> 01:37:21,600
find the time.

1866
01:37:22,199 --> 01:37:25,039
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, Matt. And you're just you're such a

1867
01:37:25,079 --> 01:37:26,760
positive kind person, by the way.

1868
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,199
Speaker 3: You're always so positive to everybody online.

1869
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,399
Speaker 2: We need more of that, and I just want you

1870
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:35,079
to know that it doesn't go unnoticed, at least by me.

1871
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:38,760
You're just you're a very positive person, and I appreciate that.

1872
01:37:40,079 --> 01:37:42,399
Speaker 4: I am. I am a very positive person. Like I said,

1873
01:37:43,279 --> 01:37:45,800
you know, my son died fifteen years ago, and that's

1874
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,680
all Bigfoot. Those are life changing events, and I have

1875
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:52,079
asked God why those events happened. I'll see my son

1876
01:37:52,119 --> 01:37:55,439
in a minute, right as you will, and all my

1877
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:59,199
questions will be answered. And until then, I'm just gonna

1878
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:01,239
do what I'm gonna do. I'm going to live my life. Man.

1879
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,119
I'm going to Arizona to Maple Peak, you know, and

1880
01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:06,920
I'm going out to Florida, and I'm getting busy living.

1881
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,319
I got one more year till I retire, and I

1882
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:11,520
may be hitting up there to Las Vegas. You can

1883
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:13,560
show me what's that going on in Nevada.

1884
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:17,079
Speaker 3: You know, not a lot of shoot around, but other

1885
01:38:17,159 --> 01:38:19,079
wild things go on here. You know.

1886
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:22,520
Speaker 2: Everybody assumes I see all he's UFOs, but you can't.

1887
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,560
Speaker 3: It's just too bright out. It's right outside. But maybe

1888
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,479
I just need to go outside call them into me.

1889
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 2: Maybe I have that hidden talent that I haven't found yet,

1890
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:31,640
but I doubt it.

1891
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,159
Speaker 4: You do have it, You do have a talent. The

1892
01:38:34,319 --> 01:38:36,760
yellow jackets we've had We've had rain here for the

1893
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:37,560
last two weeks.

1894
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:38,079
Speaker 3: Oh man.

1895
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, So these little yellow jackets, you know, they run

1896
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:43,199
around a little gangs too.

1897
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 3: They're the gangsters like that.

1898
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:51,319
Speaker 2: Damn mockingboard that wouldn't leave us alone during this chip Matt,

1899
01:38:51,399 --> 01:38:54,159
you are. You are amazing and wonderful, and I hope

1900
01:38:54,199 --> 01:38:56,720
that you'll come back because obviously you're going to have

1901
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:00,159
some more encounters and stories to share. And just be

1902
01:39:00,279 --> 01:39:01,119
safe out there, ma'am.

1903
01:39:01,159 --> 01:39:04,199
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, ma'am. And we got a hand we got

1904
01:39:04,319 --> 01:39:06,159
we got a handprint findings coming.

1905
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:11,359
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I cannot wait because that doesn't happen often.

1906
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 3: So huge high file for that, Matt.

1907
01:39:14,119 --> 01:39:16,319
Speaker 2: Really great job with that, and I know that Doug

1908
01:39:16,359 --> 01:39:18,039
and everyone else is telling you the same thing.

1909
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 4: Great job it was, and I'm just so tickled. It

1910
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:23,560
was a blessing.

1911
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, and she left it. She left it, and you know,

1912
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,960
I don't know why. I just think she was spying

1913
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,840
on me. But when she left it, it don't matter

1914
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:33,960
who believes, who wants to whatever.

1915
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,319
Speaker 4: That's fuel. It's fuel for those of us that are

1916
01:39:37,359 --> 01:39:39,720
trying all around this country and all around this planet.

1917
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,199
It's always there's people in Australian. Yeah, that's the fuel

1918
01:39:43,239 --> 01:39:45,359
of it. You know, it's the excitement of it because

1919
01:39:45,399 --> 01:39:48,319
it's a real deal. Uh if I had never seen one,

1920
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,760
because there's people they've never seen one. They think maybe

1921
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,840
they've been around. They ain't sure, but boy, they're die

1922
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:57,000
hard believers. Yeah, And it's for those people. I hope

1923
01:39:57,039 --> 01:39:59,119
they get a glimpse of one because it's life changing,

1924
01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:02,479
don't you just I can't. I have a hard time

1925
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:06,000
comprehending it sometimes, But that's okay. It's okay. I'm still

1926
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,720
gonna get auf there and be stupid and do what

1927
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,720
I do. As soon as they get some more researchers

1928
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,279
around me, we can start hooking up. But there's still

1929
01:40:12,279 --> 01:40:14,079
gonna be a lot of times I go by myself.

1930
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 2: You keep being stupid. If that's what you want to

1931
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:18,720
call it, I wouldn't call it that. You just you

1932
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,640
got that fire going, and I love seeing it, and

1933
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:23,920
I get it. If I was anywhere near the woods,

1934
01:40:24,199 --> 01:40:26,800
Uh maybe someday that'll happen, it would be me too,

1935
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:28,800
as much as I could, So I totally get it.

1936
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:29,039
Speaker 4: Matt.

1937
01:40:29,079 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 2: But thank you so much for being willing and taking

1938
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,479
the time, and.

1939
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:36,359
Speaker 4: Thank you all. Come back anytime you want me, you

1940
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:38,720
just reach out, I promise. And if I don't hear

1941
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:40,920
from you when we're getting some of these findings on

1942
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,399
that handprint, or if I have anything else, happening on

1943
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:45,680
that her in these wood you're gonna know about Shannon.

1944
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 2: Let me know, you know, I love it so much.

1945
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:50,359
Bigfoot is my favorite thing, just like you. So yeah,

1946
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,600
all right, well thank you so much, Matt.

1947
01:40:57,079 --> 01:40:58,399
Speaker 8: So I was giving this name.

1948
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:00,520
Speaker 4: College.

1949
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 9: I've done these things in my profession. I produce a

1950
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:08,880
little bark. But it says, forget it, that's not that's

1951
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:12,439
some story, that's all gone, that's all pass. I want

1952
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:15,920
to see them really you you are now, But nobody

1953
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:16,600
knows what their.

1954
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 10: Names because we don't know ourselves except we're listening to

1955
01:41:23,079 --> 01:41:26,840
our egos and consulting our me members.

1956
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,279
Speaker 8: But then that's a really and then again needs expect

1957
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:34,199
to this question, God are you?

1958
01:41:35,319 --> 01:41:36,119
Speaker 2: That is the meaning.

1959
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:41,119
Speaker 8: We shall see how they play with the success by

1960
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:44,520
the Cots to get you to come out of your

1961
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:46,880
show and find out it's.

1962
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:47,680
Speaker 7: Going to be really hard.

1963
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 11: Space steps, it's.

1964
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 7: It's it's.

1965
01:42:23,039 --> 01:42:36,359
Speaker 11: It's steps, it's.

1966
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 7: Exampless.

1967
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,359
Speaker 8: For example, are quite divided on us. They will say, no,

1968
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:47,479
we don't believe literally in reincarnation that after your funeral

1969
01:43:48,359 --> 01:43:52,720
you will suddenly become somebody different to being somewhere else.

1970
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:58,680
They will say, reincarnation means this that if you're sitting

1971
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,520
here now, are really convinced that you're the same person

1972
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:02,359
bod at.

1973
01:44:02,279 --> 01:44:06,239
Speaker 7: The door half an hour ago, you'll becoming.

1974
01:44:07,039 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 5: If you're liberating you wells now that you're gone. The

1975
01:44:11,159 --> 01:44:15,479
past hasn't existence, the future doesn't existence.

1976
01:44:16,039 --> 01:44:17,199
Speaker 7: There is only the present.

1977
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 8: That's the only amenim of the incidence said Master, don't

1978
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:22,560
get away.

1979
01:44:22,359 --> 01:44:26,399
Speaker 5: In this place in the sac extremely does not become

1980
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:27,359
the sum sense.

1981
01:44:29,039 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 9: Because there is samcence and then there is spre.

1982
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:00,560
Speaker 7: Speak.

1983
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:32,159
Speaker 11: It's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.

1984
01:45:41,479 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 5: Butts ts'.

1985
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 9: That's the same ideas where he says, when you've settled.

1986
01:46:29,119 --> 01:46:31,560
Speaker 8: Down in the train you can read your newspaper and

1987
01:46:32,119 --> 01:46:32,359
so on.

1988
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:34,159
Speaker 9: You're not the same person.

1989
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 8: While ago and live the platform. If you think you are,

1990
01:46:40,039 --> 01:46:43,760
you are linking your moments up in the check. And

1991
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:49,960
this is what binds to the wheel when you know

1992
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:52,840
that every moment which you are is the only moment.

1993
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,840
This comes into zer and the Master will.

1994
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:58,279
Speaker 9: Say to somebody, I can't have a forega past the rock,

1995
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:01,239
and you can't act. He says, where are your footmen?

1996
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 5: They've gone?

1997
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:06,560
Speaker 1: So where are you?

1998
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 7: Who are you?

1999
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 4: When we are asked who we are.

2000
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:11,359
Speaker 8: We usually give a

2001
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 9: Kind of recitation of an instrum, instence, instience ince