Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar drift woods, which,
by chance or design, man has inherited out of the
dark mystery of time and face.
Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Fray, Iwall called Matt
on with me, and yes, he has a creeper behind.
Speaker 3: Him, and that is a big Bigfoot and he is
down in Texas.
Speaker 2: So we are talking about uh, well sometimes you call
him boogers down in Texas too, right, the old boggers. Yeah,
and we are uh he's recording outside because that's his
best connection. So you're gonna hear a couple of birds
chirping and things in the background.
Speaker 3: And that's okay because that's just real life.
Speaker 2: Not everybody can sit exactly where they want to sit
to have this conversation with the weird girl.
Speaker 3: So Matt, welcome on the show.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Sammon.
Speaker 2: All right, so you know I have to ask first
why why Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: Why did you get into Bigfoot? Have you always been
into Bigfoot?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Did you see the legend? I hear it a lot.
You write you hear too.
Speaker 2: Oh, I watched a legend of Boggy Creek, and that's
where I got bitten by the Bigfoot bug.
Speaker 3: But what where'd you get your bite from?
Speaker 4: Now? And I did watch a legend of Bogie Creek,
I've seen it a few times, but that didn't start it.
Bigfoot wasn't really on my map. We all knew what
it was, but we'd heard about it of course growing
up and then, but it wasn't on my It wasn't
on my radar. On May twentieth, twenty nineteen, at nine
thirty five am, down below Abilene, Texas, close to Common, Texas,
go to the town north of there called Silver Valley,
coming from Abilene heading south down to Coombe on Highway
eighty four that day that morning. And mind you, this
is a clear, bright Sunday morning, hot, muggy morning. These
are important when when I go on with this, all
of a sudden south that was on a Monday morning,
on Saturday morning, the host in Angelo area, Abilene, Texas,
we had tornado warnings all over down here, big big
super sales part of San Angelo actually got hit the
Bradford School District area to some homes and then they
kept moving on. I was just watching the reports, keeping
up with it on TV, you know, like we do.
And I remember, and it moved on north northeast and
it got to Ballinger, Texas, and it hit Ballinger, Texas
in two separate areas of that little town, kept going
east northeast. When it got closer to Silver Valley, storm
reporters had reported a large wedge tornado possibly on the
ground near Silver Valley, Texas. Well. I had been that
way many times in the past because I was a
fuel hauler eighteen wheeler back then. I did that trip
from Avelane down down to Common many times. I knew
exactly what Silver Valley was, and I was just praying
for everybody out there in that community, you now, well.
On Sunday evening, I called my dispatch in Midland, Texas
just to find out what's my first load for Monday,
to get my week started. And it was just a ritual,
and they said, you're going to leave San Angelo and
you're gonna drive to Abilene, get a load of fuel,
take it down to Coman. And I was like, Okay,
then I was going to go back to Abilene, get
some more fuel, and head back towards the San Angelo area,
and then we'd go from there the rest of my
work day. They're just typical, you know. And I said, okay,
and I hung up, and I thought, oh, man, I'm
going to go buy a silver valley in the morning.
I'm going to look for tornado damage. And that's what
I was doing channing. I loaded the fuel in Abilene,
headed down toward Comban, and got about two thirds of
the way there. Sure enough, I came over. I'm looking
for the tornado damage. I'm looking up in the hills
and I'm looking up into big thick trees and it
really gets to stick down in that area out in
this part of central Texas. I happened to come over
the rise. This is this small rise on the highway
I noticed up there, and I've been back many times.
Six tenths of a mile ahead of me, right next
to the road, I thought I saw a black bull there.
I thought it was a black bull. I took note
of it and whatever, and kept going. I'm looking up
in the trees and looking up in the hills, looking
for a tornado damage. Man, that's what we do. We
all get amped up to see the power of nature,
right and I looked back and you're going to ad
mind you, this whole event lasted less than a minute.
I've been back so many times, and I've timed it
in the distance and everything that we do. I look
back at this bull, this black bull. It moved from
left to right about six or eight feet, and it
did it in a really, really weird way. It kind
of had a wobble to it, kind of like an undulation,
and it stopped, went six or eight feet and stopped.
And immediately my brain thought it was a big black hog.
And maybe because of the storm, somebody's pen went down,
somebody's big six up, seven hundred pound fried black hog
his bout. And I looked up in the hills and
the trees again looking for damage. And I looked back
at this black hog, and but now it's walking, and
I thought immediately, I thought, oh, it's a guy. You know,
it's a big dude, But it's a guy, because he's
walking from left to right. He's walking west. I looked
back at the highway. You know, you always checking the highway,
so you stay in your lane. Looked up in the
hills and the trees gown, and I'm getting closer mind you.
I'm getting closer and just a few hundred yards from
what I thought was just a big guy. And I
did a double take, and I thought, what is he
doing wearing an arctic suit like what you'd wear in
a North Powar or the South Pole. This is May twentieth,
twenty nineteen. Tornado came through this area two days earlier.
It was one of those mornings that Monday morning. It
was hot, it was muggy, there was no breeze. I
remember nabling loading fuel. There's nothing to it. But I
got out of the I got out of my truck.
He just starts sweating. It was one of those days,
and I thought, what is doing wearing an arctic sit
And I look back at the highway and I look
back at him, and I'm closing distance. I'm starting to
get a really good look at him, and I realized
that's that's not a guy. That's not a man. And
he's walking. He's he never ran, he was walking with
a purpose, and this guy was massive. The closer I got,
everything came into perspective and my brain was just going crazy.
You know, people always say, why didn't you stop? Get
out your cell phone and video and your brain. It
doesn't work like that, not in those moments. Not in
those moments. It was really quick. It was powerful, it
was it was it was. It was intimidating to know
what is that. And I'm watching him and I'm getting
a good look at his right side. I'm heading south.
The sun is to my left, it's up in the east.
He's walking through this lime green grass heading for a
tree line, having gone back. That tree line is about
seventy five yards from the highway, okay, and he's just
on he's walking with a purpose. He's got that little
forward leane to him. He's pissed, got caught. He got
caught out in the open. And the reason I say
he was pissed is because when I originally first came
over that little rise on the highway to where this
thing was, he was just on this side of a
creek that the highway runs over. And from the bottom
of that highway to that creek bottom, it's about forty
feet and it's there for like heavy rains and things
like that. It's not a permanent water source. But on
the other side of this creek and all of these
really thick woods, I call him the jungle and I've
been down their sister and they're dark and they're scary
and they're thick. When I thought I was looking at
a black bull. There was also on the other side
of this creek, no more than one hundred and fifty
yards from the Bigfoot, was a flashing light like on
a sawhorse, like a road crew has. And after this
event happened and I went by that flashing light, I
remember there were three or four guys wearing their vests,
their work vest and that, and they had a white
pickup the little trailer and that trailer had a woodchiper
on it. And then of course, in hindsight, I'm thinking
they were there to clean up to breathe from the
storm on Saturday. That probably got pushed to the side
of the highways. But anyway, back to the side of
so you got to remember this crew on the other side,
because that's important. He's walking and he's pissed. And what
happened is I think when I came over the rise
on that highway, he was squatted down, had his back
to me. This Monday morning at nine thirty five am,
there was hardly no traffic on this little highway from
Abilene to Coleman, and his attention was on that work curt.
He couldn't see them through the jungle of there. You
couldn't see where they were, but he could hear them.
He could hear them. When I came over that rise,
I think he heard me, and he tried to get
down in the grass going back there. That grass was
over my knee, barely over my knee. I think he
tried to lay down. And when he moved six or
eight feet and stopped, I know what he had to
have done. He did a spider cross. He was trying
to hide in the grass. I'm coming. He can hear me,
and he knew the grass wasn't tall enough, and he
got pizzed and he got up and started walking. I
didn't see him stand up, but the next time I look,
he was walking, and I thought it was just, you know,
a guy and a big guy. Anyway, at some point
he stepped over a four foot privacy offence that divided
some property there. I never saw him do that because
I kept looking at the highway and never saw that.
But he had to have. It was on his path
of travel to the tree line. I've said this, I've
said just to a lot of people, and I'll always
it and I'll always feel it to me. He was
mad and he was upset, and he had an attitude.
He had that forward lean and he was huge. This
guy was massive. I've said it, and I don't mean
any disrespect, I never will. But it's like he had
severe mental retardation. And I say that because if we
walk into a big old Walmart supercenter on one end
through the double doors and you look down to the
other end and there's a young adult or whatever down
there and he's had severe mental retardation, we know that
we don't have to go down there. We know that
that or so has mental retart. Well, he had that
aura about him. Does that make sense because that's what
I felt. Okay, people have asked me, do you think
he projected that at you? Now? Now, this was just
he got caught in the open and he didn't get
his way, and he had that walk about him and
that attitude, and you could sense it. You could sense
it right side his head. His head was big. I mean,
like I said, an arctic suit. You know, the impression
you see with people wearing those artic suits. So he
did have a large head and I would say, easily
bigger than a basketball. It had to be, and he
had hair on it. It was kind of jacked up
and messed up. Jet black. This thing was jet black.
I never saw his feet, the grass was too deep,
but from head to grass he was jet black. And
that grass was almost a lime green color. May twentieth,
twenty nineteen, and he popped. The sun just had him
lit up like he was in a spotlight. I got
so much look at him. His arms, his arms, His
arms were bigger than my chest. They were massive. His
legs were bigger than his arms from back to chest.
And these numbers and these sizes I'm giving you. I'm
going to my grave with them. It's an image you
can't get out of your head. And so this is
without embellishing how I describe him, when I've always described
him the same from day one. My family and friends
and brother and said, they'll tell you the story end, James.
And you know it's the thing about the truth, you
can always tell it the same every time. From his
back to his chest, he was at least two and
a half feet thick. Shannon, this was a big, bigfoot man,
arms bigger than my chest, His forearms. I've talked about this.
His forearms looked weird, big, and in hindsight, he had
big fearms. But he brought the hair, probably hanging from it,
like so many people described. From where I was and
where he was, That's probably why his arms looked even bigger,
and they were big looking at that right side was impressive.
And as he's walking toward that tree line, and I'm
coming in the tractor trader and at some point my
foot came off the gas pedal. You know, remember my
cruise control was out on this freight liner tractor that
I had, and the repair crew in San angel just
hadn't got to it yet, you know. So I was
having the foot feet that everywhere I went. You go
four or five hundred miles a day. That sucks, you know,
having to worked that foot feet. But at some point
my foot came off of the gas pedal and I
wasn't even aware of it. I don't really know how
fast I was going as I passed him, uh fifty
to fifty five maybe maybe because I'm maybe thousand pounds
And the grade I was going down wasn't a giant grade.
It was just a slight grade down toward that creek,
so I did lose, you know, quite a bit of speed.
And as I came around, I got a really good
look at his back and that that stands out to me.
His muscles were exaggerated and and I do and I
will always say his shoulders they were. Everybody says that,
and they're not lying those that have seen them. He
was every bit of four feet across the shoulders, Shannon.
He was massive, and he had that hit, that little
hunch from like the middle of his back forward. I
think I sent you pictures of the Harvey Hoffman video
and a lot of us have seen that that only
this one. He wasn't as hunched over as much as
in the Harvey Hoffman video. But that jet that jet
black and the muscles. That's a good image for me
to pull from in memory that I can relate to
four foot across the shoulders, his his trap muscles here
and people talk about it, Uh they did. From out
at the outside of his shoulders. They came up to
about where the middle of our ears would be on
our head. It was stupid. It was cartoonish looking. And
he had that hunch to him and you could see
the top of his head. But it said that looked
that big from behind, But the whole thing from behind
looked like a small pyramid. And that is how I
describe it, and that's kind of how I see it.
It looked like a small pyramid. The hair, the rest
of the hair on him was probably an inch and
a half. It wasn't long and scraggly and dreadlock like
a lot of people talk about. But the hair on
his head was jacked up. When I saw the right
side of his face and that profile while he was walking,
I remember thinking that it had a really small face.
You know, Bigfoot wasn't on my radar. I thought he
had a really small face, and it was an ash gray.
It wasn't a real light gray, and it wasn't a
real dark gray, but his face looked small. Well. Of course,
it didn't take me long to figure out that was
all the hair, and I would just see him part
of the skin. This guy was so massive, his muscles
were exaggerated. It looked like somebody took a tire pump
to a human and just blew him up. I've described
him as Arnold Schwarzenegger times three, and he was. He
was huge and it's scary. I'm telling you. The word
intimidating then immediately went into my head when I saw it.
Was such a scary thing to see, and it was cartoonish,
stupid looking, and how in the hell do we not
know about it? You know these things, And I remember
thinking after the fact that if I saw this thing
between Abilene and Come in Texas, these things have got
to be everywhere, and during my seven years of research,
they are everywhere. They are more than what people know.
They're everywhere. And so his shoulders slightly tapered to his waist.
He had a wide waist, real thick waist. And his
butt and I've described it. You can't help but see
his butt. You can see it's fine. You can see
his butt crack and his butt. You've got to imagine this.
His butt was as white as if you put two
horses butts next to each other. This thing was massive,
and I've described it and always will. People don't call
me a liar. I really don't care, but I do
want people to know. And for those that realize what
these things are or what they can be, you know,
he was seven and a half eight foot tall, and
he was nine hundred to one thousand pounds, and I'm
confident of those numbers. And I say seven and a
half eight foot tall for sure. When I'm in that
tractor trailer and you're sitting in one of those and
you're going down the road, your line of sight, you're
probably at about the nine foot level off the road, okay,
And so where I could see him, that would have
in my brain that puts him at least seven and
a half eight foot tall at that distance seventy five
yards when he hit that tree line, that's not that far.
Go out there, go anywhere and look at it and
fill it in with a tree line and with grass
and scrub and whatever, and you'll realize seventy five yards
isn't as far as what people think. It really isn't.
Especially going back there like I have, I'm like, oh
my god, that boy was close. He was close, and
he had that attitude on one of his steps I've
described too. I did an interview with Kentucky Bickfoot one
year ago with Charlie Raymond, and at the beginning of
March this year, I became an investigator for Kentucky Bickfoot
because out here in Central Texas, sister I know what
I'm doing, and I have found them, and we'll talk
about that. And I found them many times in many tracks,
many track ways. Six different individuals that I have found
in less than five years. That's hard to do. Texas
is a big place and there's a lot of there's
a lot of area out here. But you go to
the right areas and you go near documented sighting areas,
even if they're thirty years old, you documented sighting. So okay,
that's how I got started, you know, just trying to
use common sense. You know, where am I going to
look for them? Because I want to see them again.
I want to see them. I want to see them
face on. I've been told Matt, you'd be careful what
you wish for, dude may not be something you want
to see, and it is something I want to see.
I saw the rest of them. I want to see one.
I want to see one. I want to see what
people are talking about. I want to see that human elements.
You know why hundreds have had them in their scopes
and like they did not pull the trigger because they'd
afraid they'd be in huge trouble because there's such a
human look to them, and people have asked me, you know,
what do you think it is? And I'm like, I'm
telling you, Shannon, and I'm telling you there's things. It's
half human and it's half gorilla. And I sent you
the handprint that happened April nineteen.
Speaker 2: Let me pull let me pull that up, and this
is the hands on your view. Well, whoever's vehicle this is.
Speaker 4: So, that's my vehicle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, set this up for us. Where were you and
what was going on with this situation?
Speaker 4: Okay? Now right here would this happen? This happened April
the nineteen, Okay, about six weeks ago or so. Now,
this is in a research hotspot area. It's a private
property where this happened. This isn't where I saw Bigfoot
in twenty nineteen. This is less than an hour from
where I live, and it's an area that has just
been going crazy since the third week in March. My
first set of thirteen inch tracks March twenty first, on
this on this private property. The property owner has given
me full access to this place. It's got a moving
river that runs through it. This river has been running.
It comes from underground ten miles from this property. It's
been running for tens of thousands of years just water
so clear. You can take a red solo cup, dip
it down there and get your drink. It is crystal clear.
The property owner, when I first went out there, he
contacted me. After he saw my interview with Kentucky Bickfoot.
He contacted me and he wanted to share his bigfoot
encounter from nineteen seventy six, and so i'm ed him
and we did, and I video witnessed him that will
go to Kentucky Bickfoot, Charlie Raymond to do what he does.
He is. He's allowed me on this property. So I've
been researching this property since January this year. Okay, we're
already six months in and I put almost every weekend
out there, and with the track size was March twenty first,
thirteen inches and with a stride length of about four foot.
And I always tried to measure from hell to hell?
Is this which another location? That's okay? Yes, that one?
Hold on?
Speaker 3: Oh, this this one right?
Speaker 4: Okay, this one happened about three years ago.
Speaker 2: Now okay, well let's let's stick with Sorry it's yeah,
it's my fault because I was trying to find the
one that we were talking about.
Speaker 3: But let's just stick with this.
Speaker 4: Let's get back to the handprint, because this handprint is
super significant right now, and as you can tell, it's massive,
it's huge with this female with these tracks thirteen inches
and I say a female, yep, because one week after
I found a thirteen inch tracks in the same game
trail that I had worked March twenty first, I worked
that game trail Shannon hard for an hour and a
half looking for more tracks, and there were quite a few.
This track way you went for thirty five yards on
March twenty first, and I worked this game trail. I
was looking for more tracks. I need to see where
she went, and I know where she went. She ended
up leaving one good print, one really good print. The
rest of it was through the grass and the leaf litter,
and she left me one good print. And the very
next step had to be onto this pretty good sized
log and then into this river, which where that is.
That river is about two and a half feet deep
right there and probably thirty yards across at that twenty
five yards across, constantly moving. So I worked that game
trail the very next weekend, March twenty eighth. Get back
down there, and I set a game camera up on
March twenty first, and I pointed it down this game
trail that ran parallel with this river, hoping she'd come
back that way again and I'd capture her. Right, that's
what we're all trying to do. And it's still there.
I haven't got her yet. That's okay. So the very
next weekend, on March twenty eighth, I go back down
there and I'm looking for more tracks. And guess what, Shannon,
we had baby tracks. There're seven and a half inches
about three and a half inches wide, mid tarsal break
flat of the board. These are bigfoot tracks. We know
what they are. They're really nothing like a human track.
You know, a human track. You got your little toes
and you get your little pad and comes down to
this little scrawny hill like a little question mark. Now
these are flat. All the tracks out there, I have
found three separate trackways. I found three separate trackways and
three separate weekends consecutively with these things for cutting through
this property. And they're cutting through the adjoining property that
river runs for at at least thirty miles, So they're
using all these private properties that are huge to move
along in the woods as th They're great. It's awesome.
It's bigfoot heaven out there. But I found these tracks
on that game trail, these small tracks where I had
been the weekend before and had researched the crap out
of it, and they're right there there playing a day.
They came out of the woods into this little short
grass and then it had to step onto that same
log and into the river. It's like they were used
in that area right there. I haven't found any more
tracks on that game trail since, but I've been finding
other places. And then a tree structure. This property owner,
he goes out there. He don't live on this property,
but he goes out there almost every day. He's a
cancer survivors A. He's a he's deep, he's deep. His
soul is deep with Christ, let me tell you. And
he'll go out he's got a he's got a mountain
on this property too, and he'll sit in this little
two person swing and he'll look at that mountain. He'll
sit there and face that mountain. He'll talk to God.
This man had a three percent chance at living when
he got through this cancer. And he got through it,
he had been out there on Wednesday morning, Thursday morning,
and then on this Friday morning, forty feet basically to
his left with this brand new tree structure. He sent
me the picture while I was at work on Friday.
I was at their first thing Saturday morning, and sure
enough I had about a seventy seventy five yard trackway
that came up through the grass just off the game
trail foot to three foot. And that's pretty common out there,
these trackways. You can't mistake them, you know. And you
look at these these steps through this grass with these
four foot strides. So why they don't step on the
game trail but occasionally and they have, I don't know.
It could be something with scent, it could be something
I don't know, stealth, I don't know. But I found
this trackway that came up behind this tree structure. And
I think I sent you a picture of the tree structure,
didn't I. I hope I did, because this happened two
weeks before the handprint that was around the first of April.
That would have been around April the fifth or something.
Maybe this happened April nineteenth, so maybe around April fifth,
April third. April fifth is when the tree structure went
out and there was not only this trackway coming up
from behind it, and the and the and the branch
is used for this structure. They're bigger than the tree
that it's in and there's no trees above it. It's
not it's not treefall at all. They were put there.
That man's out there all the time, and that tree
structure was there on a Friday morning. And then there
was a trackway leading down this little dirt trail like
for ATVs and maybe a pick up or something to
go down to this river area. Anyway, I don't know
if I sent you that tree structure, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's I'm looking through them.
Speaker 2: There's just there's several tree pictures, so I'm just trying
to possibly guess there's one that looks like in kind
of an X.
Speaker 4: Is that that's it. That's the one that happened two
weeks before this And okay.
Speaker 3: You can go on, you could go ahead and I
will continue speaking there that sir.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm sorry, now, that's okay. The handprint came two
weeks after the tree structure, okay, and havn't been there
just the beginning of the year. And with them definitely
coming through their starting in March. That's when I started
finding tracks. Didn't mean they hadn't been there sooner, and
probably a year after year after year, following this river
these things, I think she got acclimated to me. There
it is. That was amazing. Property owner told me he
almost fell out of the swing when he glanced to
his left and saw it. It was only about.
Speaker 3: Forty feet away from his house.
Speaker 4: From his swing, from the two person swing that he
set in the he sets in the face the mountain,
so he goes there almost every day, and then on
that Thursday it wasn't there. On Friday morning, there it was.
And the trackway. If you look at this picture, and
I don't know how big you can get that, you
can see where the grass is matted down all around
in the front of it, and behind it was this
trackway that went for about seventy or seventy five yards
and it went into a really thick underbrushed area with
huge oak trees in the area. Going into it, it
looked matted down and the trackway looked like it went
right in there. But I didn't discover that until after
I went down this little dirt road in front of
the tree structure, and I've got thirteen inch tracks. I
sent pictures of that as well, if you can find it.
And my point of all this is when that tree
structure happened and I was researching this and finding this
trackway got I was probably within one hundred foot following
that seventy seventy five trackway from that heavily brushed area
with those trees. Then those tracks were like going right
into that matted down area. It was almost like an
entrance going in there. And I pulled my forty four.
I always have my forty four. We got mountain lions
out there, and we got hags I always carry, and
I didn't have my shotgun in my hand. I normally do,
or I have it slung over my shoulder one or
the other, but I didn't have it with me. I
just hurried up and got over to the tree structures.
I got started investigating it. You know, I was probably
one hundred foot from this opening and deep in the
woods there, mind you, but this says it goes in
there deeper and everything gets sticker, and everything kind of
goes downhill and it gets sticker. The property owner was,
you know, probably forty feet to my left, and he's
got this three year old German shepherd and I looked
over there at him, and I guess he didn't understand
me or hear me, because I told him. I said,
I'm going, I'm going up there to that opening, and
he had I remember, he had some debris in his hands,
like from flooding and stuff that maybe happened over the years.
It was something from trash in his hands, and he said, okay.
He said, well, I'm going to go up to the cabin,
get my pick up and drive it down this way
and any more trash I can just told it in
the back of my truck. And I said, well, I'm
fixing the gold up here. I said, can your dog
go with me? He said yeah, Can you stay with me?
And he said yeah, it Fe'll stay. He said, but
I'll be back. And I was like, holy crap. And
here I am standing there and I'm videoing. Mind you,
it's the whole time. I'm always videoing. I'm always documenting.
That's what we do. We document what we're doing. And
I'm talking about it, and I'm trying. I'm looking for
any kind of movement up in this man, and my
heart's racing that trackway went right into it, Shannon. He
headed for the cabin, and sure enough, the dog followed
his daddy, you know. And I'm standing there all by myself.
I got my forty four and I'm videoing, and so
I walked toward it. I got within fifty or sixty feet,
probably sixty feet from it, and I stopped, and I'm
doing this panoramic video and I got hit with this smell.
And I'm down wind of that opening of this area,
and it's huge, this area. I'm talking about this brush area.
It's huge, and it goes for hundreds of yards. I
got hit with this smell, and I've raised my eyebrows
over there. I haven't anybody that I've told this to
has not heard it described this way, and maybe you
haven't heard it either. But the smell I got hit
with lasted five or eight seconds, and it smelt like
I just pulled the saddle in the blanket off of
that horse. That smell that will come off that animal,
that sweat, and that that that animal smell, That's what
I smelled in the middle of the woods. Strong. It
was heavy, it was like it was right next to me.
That smell hit me and it it almost stopped my heart.
I was like, oh crap, they're in there, They're in there,
they're in there. And I know I have a female
and a young one. I just do and I'll tell
you that here in a minute. This gets good. It's
been real active out there, so I scared the crap
at me. I'm still videoing, and I move about forty
yards to my left down toward the river, and I'm
parallel in this opening area and I'm just videoing. I
don't have my forty four, I don't have a cock,
but you know it's out of my holster and I'm scared.
I shit you not. I'm not lying. Any researcher will
tell you when you're close, and you think you're close,
you're drawed up. I moved about forty yards to my left,
kind of downhill through the woods toward the river, and
I stopped and I'm still videoing, and I got hit
with that smell again and it lasted about fifteen seconds
this time. Now, I mean my heart was coming out
of my chest. So I worked my way down to
the river. I did not turn my back to this
area and the property owners up there, this cabin, he
never did come back, so I don't know what was
going on with that. Then it doesn't matter. The event happened,
and I worked my way down to the river, and
I went down the river and where I would come
in and park my truck every time I go out there.
I always i'm about one hundred yards above the river,
and it's a slight roll down through the woods to
the river. And when you're at the river, you can
see my truck up there, and that's just where I parked.
And so I moved on down the river and I
caught up with the property owner in front of the
cabin down there at the river area is about where
we were, and I told him about it and all that,
and he was like, oh man, and I was like, dude,
But that was it for that day. Two weeks later,
this handprint ended up on my truck, two weeks after
the tree structure events and the smell. Oh and what
was investigating the structure, which I took an hour just
investigating that before I spread out and started spotting the
tracks going away from it in front and coming up
to it from behind. You could hear rock clacking. You
could hear rock clacking, and the same coming from the
same area with this opening was that I was at
where I got the smells. You could hear the rock clacking,
and I asked the property owner he was talking. I said,
hold on a minute, I said listen. I said, listen,
tell me if you hear anything, and he said okay,
And we were real quiet, and then all of a sudden,
clack clack, claque, about three or four clacks in a row.
Never heard anymore. I knew just in years. I knew,
just crazy, this is crazy, this is unreal. I was
so amped up. And then of course I followed the
tracks and the trackways and got the smells and worked
my way right away from there. There was nothing more
eventful that day and two weeks later when I got
out of my truck. Then I went on the passenger
side of my truck back with this tree structure areas
kind of scoured the woods good. I could kind of
see into that area where where that trackway had let in,
but I couldn't see anything. I couldn't smell anything. Of
the sun was out nice and bright, and I could
kind of see down into that stuff, and I couldn't
see anything. And of course I'm by myself you know,
almost every one of my adventures are solow and I
get chewed out a lot by my siblings and friends.
You know, it's stupid, but you know what, get busy
living or get busy dying. You know, good Lord's got
my number. I'm not trying to push the envelope here,
but I want to see him head on again. I
love what I do. I do. I think that since
the beginning of the year, and at least the third
week in March, this female has gotten acclimated to me
being there. She's probably already been acclimated to the property owner.
He's had this place, he's been out there and in
control of this place. It's it's it's generational family land,
and it's a lot where he's at. So but I
think she kind of got acclimated to me, he said.
I you know, I investigated the woods on the faster
side of my truck, and I worked my way down
to the river. Once I got down to the river,
worked out, passed in front of my truck on down
past the driver's side of my truck. I went down river,
now probably five hundred yards into the following the river
looking for sign and and into the woods and I
think she came up. She was probably watching me while
I was scouring the woods on the passenger side. And
as I got down there one hundred yards in front
of my truck at the river and worked my way
away from her towards the driver's side, she came up
on the pastor's side of my truck out there and
she put her right hand. I think she probably stood
straight up, looked over my truck and just watched me
going into the woods. You know what I'm saying. She
left that andprint. It was amazing. I didn't even know
I had it till I got home. I did not
because when I came out of the woods after about
an hour and a half down there, didn't have any
finding find anything new, and the property owner was waking
at the cabin and that's all up there old wayfont
on the driver's side of my truck. We shook hands
and I put my shotgun in the back seat and
by forty four and I said, well, we'll try this
next weekend. I'll drill this point because I didn't find
anything new. You know, I'm always amped up to get
out there. I'm going out there in the morning. Can't wait.
I left. But when I'm leaving this property, I remember
on he's got this dirt road that cuts through the property.
It kind of parallels the mountain I'm talking about. Out
the property owner he always opens the gate so I
can get in, and when we leave, he follows me
out and he locks these gates. He has multiple gates
in and out of this property. He'll lock them behind us.
I remember this ball of dirt dust on this road.
I was going slow, so for about I don't know,
fifty yards, I was just in this ball of dirt,
and so I kind of sped up and got ahead
of the dirt, and the property owner was back there
and he was staying slower and he didn't have to
worry about it. And then I got home from this area.
And this was on a Sunday, and I remember I
was getting out of my truck and I thought I
didn't check my mail on Saturday. So I walked to
the mailbox and I you know, checked my mail and
came walking back up on the passenger side of my truck.
And that's when I started seeing the handprint, and I
was like, you know, what the hell? And I got
a little bit closer and I started I started picking
up my pace and I was like, no, I could
already see how big it was. And I got up
there and of course I get my hand up there
and I'm not touching my truck, but I'm comparing, and
I'm like, oh my god, she touched my truck. She
touched my truck and she did and she did that
handprint and you can say it it's massive. Uh. We
have already found well, I'm not any kind of a
expert or nothing, but there's already four indicators of gorilla
in this handprint that are not human. Uh. And I'll
go on it's even better. Uh yeah, it's for comparison
to the picture of it. This past weekend, I was
in Kentucky and I was able to show this print
to doctor Moray A Mayor, and she was very very
intrigued with it. What a wonderful lady. I've been waiting
about four years to meet this woman. What a wonderful lady,
doctor Maria Mayor is. She was very intrigued by it.
And I showed it to Lindy Raymond, which is Charlie
Raymond's wife with Kentucky Bickfoot. Lindsey is a twenty year
retired fingerprint and now you know expert. She was for
the Canadian Law Enforcement and I was showing up to Lindsay.
I remember she just kept saying, oh my god, Matt,
and she was blowing it up, bringing it up. Now
she's holding my phone. She took my phone, Maray Mayor
took my phone from my Am. They're blowing it up
and they're looking and Lindy's like, this ain't human. This
part right here, this is not human. This this has
this is human. This isn't human. This isn't Lindsey was
really blown away with it. I'm working collectively right now
and have been for a while since this print with
Doug Hicheck. We're we're doing what needs to be done.
We're going through the process. We're going to have an
expert fingerprint analysis done on the print forensically, and then
we're going in after the DNA and we're going in
after the SSL. The surface skin lipids that's what produces
the oils. That oil was called sebum, and with that sebum,
scientists can already differentiate gorilla from human. And I'm telling
you this thing and what I saw in twenty nineteen, Shannon,
they're fifty to fifty. I don't know. That's my best guess.
Speaker 3: So all of that is getting tested right now.
Speaker 4: Matt, it will be. I talked to Doug Hicheck again
last night. We've had some phone calls and we're going
through the process. We need to get some very good
photographs of it. I have the print I've already copied righted,
the print that gives me that full ownership, and that's
very important with something the significant I lifted that print, Shannon,
and you should have a picture of that, of that print.
And I had thunder Yeah, I had thunderstorms coming in
when I got home on that Sunday, and right after
I noticed this print and I'm gawking at it, and
I'm looking at it and I'm videoing it and taking
pictures of it, and we had rain coming in, and
I thought, this print is going to get washed away forever.
And so I went bolting in the house and looking around.
I got two inch clear boxing tape like you'd used
on cardboard boxes. That's what I had. And I grabbed
a one gallon ziplock baggy. If you hold a ziplock
baggy up and look at the front of it, you'll
see ziplocking that on the front of it. But if
you turn that baggy around, the back side is just
clear plastic there. It is. So it took three of
these two inch strips to capture that entire print. And
as I pulled it, and you can see, I got it,
and I got it, well you just thought I worked
for the fbidre. As I pulled them, I carefully, without
trying to touch anything, of course, laid them onto the
back side of this ziplock baggy. And when I did that,
it didn't only kept for the DNA, but it also
got to see them and it got the it got
the print. Oh yes, that's why there's a lot of
people around the country right now going crazy.
Speaker 3: Over licking their chops. That's exciting they are. That is exciting,
they are.
Speaker 4: I'm very excited. It's an exciting time. And this this
whole process. You know, I'm an investigator, man, I get
out in the woods and I look for bigfoot. So
all of this is new to me. And of course
Doug high Check, he's he's uh, he's teaching me. Well,
you know, a very smart man, excellent excellent human being,
so so proud to know him. So proud and and
and so we're going after it's going to be a process.
How long this is going to take? Probably a while,
probably a while. That's okay.
Speaker 3: You got to do it right.
Speaker 2: You know, you only have the certain amount of samples
that you can pull from anything. And luckily, these things
are usually pretty oily greasy things.
Speaker 3: So that art was very helpful.
Speaker 4: So how lucky, how blessed was I that I was
in that ball of dirt on that little road leaving
that property.
Speaker 2: You were in a Texas dust devil from the sounds
of it.
Speaker 6: And that's the only my truck was making well, my
truck was making it. I was driving just slow enough
that the dirt coming up from under my truck is
what would just I was in this ball of dirt saying,
and that's that's what adhere to the print. And thank goodness,
I remember to go check my mail, because I got
that thing lifted, and I got in the house and
the bottom fell out. The storm set and it rained
like hail Sunday night and Monday.
Speaker 4: Now, so by the grace of God, I got it.
I got it.
Speaker 2: Those Texas storms aren't anything to shake a stick out either.
Speaker 3: That would have been gone.
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, it had been gone, so thank goodness that
happened high. So we're going to see where this goes
down this road.
Speaker 2: So how how many since this this property obviously has
been in his family for so long, how are the
bigfoot there actually coming up to the house.
Speaker 3: Are they having house slaps and things like that going on?
Speaker 4: No? No, like I said, he doesn't live on this property.
He maintained it for the family. The family has other
properties around Texas and I think Oklahoma, and I mean
they own sections of land and this one his grandmother,
I think, he said, had bought this. It's almost five
hundred acres. That's a lot of land, and it's half
a mile of this river runs through it and with
that mountain on it, you know, and like Doug Hichak said,
he goes, mat, it's got all the ingredients. I said, yes, sir,
I knew it the second I pulled up on this property.
This property owner, like I said, he had a sighting
in Arizona and I have a pin drop on it.
It was up on Maple Peak. It's an eighty three
hundred foot elevation. I'm going there later this summer. He
won't be able to make it with me. And he
also has really bad COPD. But we pin dropped the
basic area where I'm going to Arizona. It's tried across
in New Mexico border. You got it. In New Mexico.
You're going through the Geelan National Forest, and once you
crossed that Arizona state line, you're now in the Apache
Sick Grease National Forest and you're going I'm going up
on Maple Peet and I'm doing a walk about. I
love him, I love him walk abouts. But when he
was fifteen, and he had two of his friends, so
there's three witnesses right there. They were inside this car.
They were runaways. They had been truant from school here
in Sanangelo. You got to think about this, Shannon. They
were truant for fifty six days and the truant officer
was on their heels. So they got scared. One of
the boys went and stole a car, a Delta eighty eight,
and that was before the old Delta ninety eight. These
things were boats, man, they were huge. Yeah it is,
and yeah, he said he thought his friend went outside
to go take a whizz or something. He said about
five minutes later, he said he comes screeching up in
the driveway, and they said, man, let's call, let's go.
You know, a buddy had called him and said, truant
offsher nos jar and they were. They were at this
man's house. Then, I'm talking about this property owner. So
he said he grabbed a bunch of his mom's pots
and skillets, and they grabbed some drinks and threw them
in this car. And the three of them were on
their way to California. They were hauling as for California
fifteen year olds. And they said they made their way
as far as our Passo Texas head in the west,
and then took a direct north and went up into
New Mexico. They ended up a couple, but one of
them knocked over in this little store in some little
town that he can't remember, New Mexico. Knocked over a
display or something in this store, and these store employees
all came to try to clean up the mess and that,
and the other two were over there in the meat
department putting meat in their jackets. Because this is October,
up and up, and you know, up into Mexico. He
gets Chile in October, you know, because I've gone there
many times too, But they stole all this meat and
stuff and the hall. But and he said, as they were,
and they stole gasoline along the way. They stole license
plates in every state on the way, and they made
it to California. They ended up coming back to Texas
and handcuffs, but they didn't make it to California. But
they they were up in the Apache Sigres National Forest
up there, and they were trying to stay off the
main road so nobody would catch them. He said, it
was getting in toward evening, and there was a there
was a cutout right off the road up there in
the mountains, probably four hundred foot square, which would be
about one hundred foot in each direction. But there was
a place where you could have a campfire and there
was a picnic table. So I guess if travelers wanted
to stop and eat, they couldn't. And either the Forestry
Service had cut all that out of the state of Arizona.
Whoever made it. It was really nice. And he said,
so they you know, they fired up some they got
a fire going and they cooked that meat and they
ate like kings. And he said, uh, there was still
a lot of food left. And he said, so we
just set that on top of the car, and we
were all tired and it was getting toward dark. And
he said he remembered before they got in the car,
he could he could smell. He thought it was like
a dead animal, maybe a dead elk or a dead deer.
Maybe the wind had shifted. He said he remembered that
they got in the car. One guy slept in the
front seat, one of the boys slept on the back floorboard,
and this property owner, he was in the back seat
with his head against the passenger door arm rest. And
he said he remembered, and this is important in his story,
that the sun was going down and the moon behind
him was coming up. He just thought that was neat
that one was going down and the other one was
coming up. It just stuck in his brain. And he
said he was never a heavy sleeper. And he said,
I was probably asleep for an hour and a half
or so, because when they got woke up, the moon
was at about thirty degrees, so that's important. He was
probably out for an hour hour and a half. But
the car was rocking, and he thought a windstorm had
came and the car was rocking really hard, and he
said he cocked his head all the way back and
was looking out that back passenger window and could see
the top of all the pine trees to see them
moving in the wind. But they weren't, he said, so
he set up straight and he was looking out the
driver's side back door to see those trees, but he
couldn't see them. He said, the window was all blacked out,
and half of the front driver door window, so they
were just all blacked out. And he said he was confused,
and he crawled up to the window and was just
inches from the back door window, you know, excuse me,
on the driver's side, and he said, and then there
was movement and the car was still rocking. So what
happened is that bigfoot came up on that car and
it was leaning into that car and it was getting
that food out of that pan. He thought it was
the wind store. And he said, this bigfoot moved, and
he said he jumped back and scream and the smell
was already gagging him. It was gagging him. He jumped
back and screamed because he thought it was a bear.
And that woke the other two boys up, and they
sat up and they were all gagging, and they one
of the other boys screamed, I think is the way
that went anyway in this bigfoot jumped back away from
that car. And he said, that thing covered at least
fifteen feet in one jump. It cocked over, and it
cocked his head toward him, bent over and was trying
to look down into that car. And he said, and
we were screaming like little girls. And he said, and
this thing turned and it ran and got to the
tree line and stopped. And he said, with those limbs
were cut at the bottom by the state was at
least ten foot. This man was electrician in his whole life.
And he said, and to this day I know that
was ten foot. He said, that's what I'm going to
my grave with. He said. This thing was as white
as a double refrigerator with another half of a double
refrigerator on top. Foot huge, uh, kind of an a
ring attain color. It had a little glowt to it
because the moon was in its face. So that's where
the moon was came in came into play. He got
a little detail, look not much. He said. You remember
it had big eyes, but he couldn't recall a color,
just that the eyes were big. He said, this thing
cocked over at the waist and kind of cocked its
head over looking in the car these boys screaming. Yeah,
that's pretty good. It's a great story that.
Speaker 3: Would get you screaming like a little girl.
Speaker 4: So, not only was that a significant sighting, and he
remembers it like it was yesterday October, it's going to
be fifty years that's pretty impressive. Yeah, he saw he
saw my interview. That's when he reached out to me
and I want to tell me about his sighting. So
what what not only what? What really drew me in
immediately with him is he said that that smell was
gagging him and his two friends bad. And he said,
it's a smell you'll never forget. He said, if I
ask you, you know what a skunk smells like? I
can in YouTube, and you know, we know what as skunks,
we can recall that particular smell immediately in our brain.
We know what a skunk smelled like. He said, this
smell is one that you can recall in your brain
that you'll never forget. So that was important because he said,
out on this property over the last several years, maybe five,
he thought he has picked up on that smell when
he pulls up in there and gets out of his pickup.
Twice he has picked up on that smell, and maybe
a third time that he said it was real faint,
and he said, so I felt like that, you know,
there's only one smell, And that's when he contacted me.
And I've been out to investigate insince January. Ever since
he contacted me around Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a very active property. And at least
they're open to having folks out there to investigate, because
now look what's.
Speaker 4: Coming up to you. So that's good he is. And yeah,
he's real particular about who come on that property. There's
there's some family that will come out there and enjoy
the river, and there's there's a nice little area out
in front of this cabine that leads down to the
river and family will come out with their kids and stuff,
you know. But he's also had drespassers there too. Yeah,
and probably all these property owners down that river for
thirty miles, they probably all deal with it.
Speaker 2: Now, that's what that's what guns are for, to encourage
people not to cut. Not that I'm saying that you
go up blasting. I'm just saying that, you know, most
people are smart enough not to go trapes around random places,
but not everyone is smart enough not to trapes around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, correct, and you did. You just brought up that picture.
That's where my game camera's pointing. My game camera right
down between them trees. Is that game trail that runs
parallel with that river. He's got half a mile of
this river. That's my game camera. That's a picture. That's
why I send it to you.
Speaker 3: Is that a bit? Is that a big old squirrel
in the tree?
Speaker 2: Because unfortunately I can't I can't interact with wist stream yard.
I can't zoom Everyone's probably like zoom in cannon. I
can't zoom in.
Speaker 3: So it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is what it is, and so I'm hoping
for that capture. You know, of course I am. I've
got a point. But I've got now, I've got eight
more game cameras that are going to fix and start
going up pretty quick that I've come in contact with.
I'm putting up eight more game cameras around this property.
And I'm only actually I'm only investigated ten or fifteen
percent of this property.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure is a lot you're you.
Speaker 4: Can only do in mine and all this activity I've
had since the third week and this is almost every
weekend I'm having something, and uh, there's people around the
country that know about it, of course, Charlie Raymond and them,
and then Doug Haicheck and just Abount. A month ago
I was announced and I am now a standing member
of the Squatching Florida team out of Florida, you know,
as an investigator and researcher with Mike Aguilar and Christina Lawhorne.
Those folks out there, they're amazing good out there in
the swamps down up in the Green swamps. And I'll
be going there. I've been going to Florida. We got
to go meet my team members and they're gonna take
me into the swamps. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: Well, let's move through some of these photos, Matt, because
instead of me just guessing which photo is which, let's
just pull them up and talk about them as we
as we go.
Speaker 4: If that's okay, Okay, So this one here is juvenile,
and then we'll probably at about nine and a half inches.
My boot is twelve inches exactly, and so I used
my boot a lot for scale. You know, I didn't
have my stuff with me when I come across this one,
and there were several of them. The rest of them
were barely legible at all. This one just hit some
soft dirt that had maybe just piled up during a
rainstorm at one time.
Speaker 3: And where is this, Matt, I'm sorry? Where is this?
Speaker 2: This?
Speaker 4: This is less than two hours from where I live.
This is down between Brady and Brady Lake Tech, which
is kind of like where I'm at. It's kind of
like on the way to Austin, Texas. Okay, now this track,
there's another one that I have that's about fifteen inches.
You'll see my boat with that one. It was about
fifteen miles from this one. But both these areas, is
that right now? Not that one?
Speaker 3: Well, see, I did it.
Speaker 2: I did it accidentally. I said I wasn't going to
do that. So let's just stick with yeah, with this
one for now.
Speaker 4: Okay. So here, like I told you, over the last
five years, I have found tracks of six individuals. And
mind you, where this is is out where people don't go. Okay,
these are places where people don't go. And there again
there's your print. We're wide, we're flat. No, we're not
your little strawny heel type thing. Very confident, especially where
I find them.
Speaker 3: Why were you guys down there? Were you looking for
Big Four?
Speaker 4: I was, okay, I was, I was, And I'd been
down in that area several times, quite a few times.
A guy that I worked with said that he had
heard about stuff that went on down in that area,
and I was like, okay, So you know, you go
out most of the time, and you know this, and
everybody knows this. You go out and you come home
with a goose, you don't find anything. But having gone
out there as many times as I did, it was
one particular time I got some wood knocks. Now I
got them wood knocks, I knew, okay, I'm close, I'm
in the area. Those wood knocks, man, they're telling they're
like somebody ringing a dinner bell. Had a couple of
wood knocks, and so I started returning there every weekend.
Finally found this one track. Well there were several, but
this one good one. That's the one I documented and
photographed and all that that came that Trent came after
another one, and you'll see the same exact boot in
that picture. It's about a fifteen inch track. You know,
Patty from the Patterson Gimlin film. Her track was fifteen inches.
So here again I've got two individuals, possibly a mother
and a young one. The male tracks, and it could
be a juvenile track, the fifteen inture. It could be
a teenage male. I don't know. I just something tells
me that I've got a female and a young one
in that area. That's one of my hotspot areas. I
hadn't been back there this year, hasn't been to any
of them, but the one out about an hour from here,
where I've got the handprint and the wood, the tree structure,
and the smells and the rock clack and the trackways.
I've gotten so much activity, especially since the third week
in March. Now, this one, this one is west of
where I live, about an hour and it's out where
people don't go. And there's another track, another set of
tracks that went with this one. This right foot what
was left and this is in there and it's right
along this lake shore and the other step is actually
in the water. It's about three and a half feet
behind this one.
Speaker 3: What's the size of this one?
Speaker 4: Okay, you should have another picture with that. That one's
about eleven inches right there. This is the one that
accompanied a companied that was with it, with this river,
with this lake is people out here can tell you
you got parts of it that are that are soft,
that's going to leave this and one foot away it's
like concrete. It's just the way it is. It's a
clay based and so I was lucky to get that.
This this track accompanied the one you just showed before. Uh,
this one, yeah, and that was just the other one.
You'll see my boot for scale.
Speaker 3: Oh, the other one that I showed this one right here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there we go. So say, we're about eleven inches
on this one, okay, and that's a great track. I've
had my butt schewed out for not casting that, and
I didn't have my material with me. I went out
on a whim on a Sunday, and this is about
three years ago, and stumbled across these two sets of
tre that went up into the woods where people ain't
gonna go anyway, you stepping right up into the rattlesnakes
where I found this. But they were right there near
the river's edge, the lake's edge. And of course that
one track behind this one, the left foot it was
in the water, the same size three and a half
foot back and the very next steps went up into
this concrete like clay and on up into the into
the sticks in the woods and stuff. The snakes are,
of course, but it just went on up and could
barely see the way. You Just following their point of
travel is about the best you can do with a
lot of this stuff, if you're lucky to get one track.
It's like anytime I found a track, I've always found
them in pairs. So three different times in five years
and I have found these pairs of tracks.
Speaker 3: How about how about this one, Matt.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's the little one. That's the little one that
came March twenty eighth, one week after I first found
the thirteen inch tracks. And I know you can't zoom
it in, but like right there in that there's three
of them. I have them circled. That middle track you
can see where the mid tartl break, where it brought
up the dirt, and then you can kind of see
it in the far one too. These were amazing tracks
in person, Shannon, I wish you were standing there. That
about took my breath away. Couldn't believe it. These are
seven and a half by three and a half inches,
white on the same trail, like I said that I
had worked a week earlier, and they don't.
Speaker 3: They don't walk like we do. They're going right in
front of each other.
Speaker 4: They are. And look at them, straight line all of
my trackways. Straight line at your other indicator, you know
there you go. Look at that. They came out of
the grass and this is heading toward that log. I
said that they must be stepping on to go step
into the river that came out of the woods into
the grass. At this step, then you got the succession
of three and then back into the grass and then
onto the log heading it was heading north. These little
ones and the big ones I found a week earlier
were heading south, but right there the same game trail.
So that's pretty significant. A lot of activity, a lot
of activity out here in central Texas. Sure is I
am a I am in a researcher's hotspot. Man, I'm
dream come true where I'm at.
Speaker 2: Do you ever camp out there at this five hundred
acre property? Do you stay overnight?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: I won't do it without some other researchers.
Speaker 3: I'm not one very smart.
Speaker 4: I'm not a I'm not a night guy. I'm not
if I'm with a group. Like when I was in
Kentucky last week, I thought I had the opportunity to
go out on a on a night walk and with
some folks, and that didn't happen. Not sure, ain't going
in there by myself. And in Kentucky woods are beautiful, man,
but there's yeah, there's it. And and the mountains or
state man sixty seventy degree inclines they.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe and Kentucky there's a lot of caves and
places you don't want to end up underground somewhere, Matt.
Speaker 4: You know, no, we don't.
Speaker 3: Need to go subterranean. That's a whole nother bag of
heck to the naw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to leave that to the big Foot,
because I know that's what they gotta do. These are
living animals, they are, and I don't want to say animals.
So many people have described that human look to them,
but I do say species, and that is a word
I'm comfortable with. It is a species that we're a species.
They are some form of relic commented. And I am
one hundred percent sure because of what I saw in
twenty nineteen. Things half human half eight from what I saw,
and I know there's a lot of people who don't
like to hear that kind of stuff. That's what I saw.
Speaker 2: Now, what about the stranger's side to Bigfoot? When you're
out for Bigfoot purposes? Have you seen strange things? Have
you seen UFOs or lights in the woods, or orbs
in the woods or any shimmering bigfoot or.
Speaker 3: Anything like that now?
Speaker 4: And that's kind of a fifty to fifty answer right there.
So with my game camera, I have to send you
some pictures. I've had some questions. I've had some questionable
night photos with what you know people might refer to
as orbs. I've never seen them. I've never seen a ghost.
I've never seen anything like I did see a bigfoot
in fact, And we're getting to this. I told you
this is all going to get better. I've talked to
a lot of people in Kentucky about this, and I
talked to Doug Hijack and Linked about it last night.
But no, I haven't I haven't seen the stranger side
of And I'm open minded. I am, I promise you,
I am. I. You know some people are going to
look at me and they're going to say, yeah, I
saw bigfoot walk you know whatever, and then I'm not
one that's going to say, Okay, so you saw a
ghost or orbs whatever, I'm not doing it. I'm not
doing it because that's not right. You know. I'm open
to it. Who knows what the stranger side of this
world is. Yeah, so I am open minded. I just
I haven't witnessed it myself, but my game cameras picked
up probably thirty or forty really intriguing pictures. I've talked
to several people around the country about that, and I'm
going to get those pictures to them to look at.
Makes you wonder what going on there?
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, and me asking that isn't me automatically
saying that I think that if you said yes, that,
oh well, it's tied to Bigfoot, of course. It just
sometimes two different things can be inhabiting the same place
at the same time.
Speaker 4: So thank you, Thank you, my friend. You are right, sister,
And not to bounce all over the place that trying
to decide which one on one to talk about. Okay,
I'm going to go back to my twenty nineteen real quick,
and then we're going to get back to May seventeenth.
That was significant and you're fixing to find out so
the twenty nineteen sighting. Now, like I said, I used
Patty for scale, and I do that because I think
I sent you some pictures of the gray scale overlay
that Peter Burn had put together. Yeah, with the man
with the man Hoskins, and he was a man of
known high around six foot and did the gray scale overlay.
And Patty walk into it, and they used. I lean
into science, and I do lean into mathematics. I just
always have. I'll always been that kind of guy anyway
in my brain. But doctor Meldrim, he stood with these numbers,
and I stand with these numbers mainly because doctor Meltrim,
did you know, God rest his soul. She was. We're
in the in the gray scale overlay where Roger Patterson's
knees hit the hit the creek bank, you know, uh,
and where Patty's trackway is. And with those logs, those
and those known trees, they were able to mathematically approximately
calculate her height with distance and known objects, and they
calculated her eighty seven and a half inches, that seven
foot three and a half. Doctor Meldrim stood by that,
and I understand it after seeing the gray scale overlay.
I refer to it all the time, and then doctor
Meldrim said that I got to meet him in twenty
twenty one at the Texas Bigfoot Conference. He said, with
that seven foot three and a half inch frame and
with the measurements they were able to calculate on thickness
and shoulder width and everything that was there calculated into
muscle mass weight that she was probably seven to eight
hundred pounds. And then looking at that gray scale overlay
with Hotskins standing there, It's like, okay, I can go
with that. So I refer to that, and that's where
I come with my numbers on the bigfoot that I
saw in twenty nineteen. That set me down this rabbit
hole that I'm in, and I won't even try to
crawl out of this rabbit hole. I love it. I'll
be here till the day I die. The one I
saw down near Silver Valley, Texas, it was it was
bigger than Patty. He was taller than Paddy, and he
probably outweighed her by one hundred and fifty two hundred pounds.
And they estimated Patty at seven to eight hundred, so
this guy had to be nine hundred and two one thousand.
You see where I'm going with this, and then my
line of sight sitting in that tractor trailer, in that
seat and looking out across there, and he was taller.
That's why I say seven and a half eight foot tall.
I got my reasons why I come up with my numbers,
and I'll always stick with them. Nothing's going to change
my mind at all. I've heard people say that Patty
was probably six six and a half foot tall. No, no, no, no,
I don't go with that. I don't go with that,
especially after that mail. I saw, oh, now with that,
we're going to get back to the handprint, okay, And
that happened. That happened on April the nineteenth, okay, this year,
and then May seventeenth. I found a lot of questionable
stuff within that last month. And there was one weekend
I wasn't able to get out there, but I found
some questionable things. You know, you're always looking, you always
down in the woods looking. I get out there on
May se It was just after nine o'clock in the morning.
Whenever I got there, the property owner was already there.
He'd already opened the gates. He was sitting at the
picnic table in front of his cabin, and so he
was facing the cabin. When I pulled up, his back
was to the river. Okay, he said, the rivers, you know,
getting close to one hundred yards down there from the
cabin too. Well, where the cabin is, that's probably about
seventy five yards the way that comes around. And so
Nick kind of gets up walks toward my truck and
you know, say, how you doing that? How you doing buddy? Like,
hey man, how you doing brother? And then he turned
around and went and sat back on at that picnic table,
and he was facing the cabin, the cabin right in
front of him, about ten twelve feet and he's facing
the cabin. And I get out and come sitting down
beside him on the bench, got my phone out, and
we're kind of going over some stuff, and we're talking
about the handprint, what we're trying to do, and I'm
getting ready to go to Kentucky. You know. We sat
there and talked for about four or five minutes, and
I remember I shut my phone and I stuck it
in my back pocket, and I kind of turned to
my right to face him, because I'd been cocking my
head to the right for about three or four or
five minutes. So I just kind of repositioned myself and
faced him. And when I did, here we go. Me
and Doug talked about this last night and the people
in Kentucky. Oh my god, I told this story so
many times this last week. I looked at the property
owner and as soon as I did, he started to
say something. But something caught my peripheral vision. I kind
of stopped there, hold on, and I looked, and I
got a half second look of the female Channon, and
he looked. He caught a blur, so we both saw it.
He just caught a blur. I got about a half
second of her, and she just kind of ducked her
head down about maybe six eight ten inches going forward,
and she bolted. She bolted north. She was about thirty
yards behind us in the brush on the way down
to the river, really big trees, heavy brush, vines and briars,
and there was an opening up between these two big trees.
It was just an opening, and I was able to
see her from about maybe where her armpits are up.
And she was that light seed, the red color, kind
of that centnamon they talk about, but light seed, the
red color. Her hair was about as long as my
fingers all jacked up on her head or shoulders, and
what I saw, and she lowered her head and she
bolted north, and I jumped up. And the property owners
always got a gun on him. Well, he was wearing
his camels shorts that morning, sitting at that picnic table,
and he didn't have his gun on him. And the dog.
I guess his dog was in the truck. I can't remember,
tell you the truth, because some of that became a blur.
And I jumped up and I chased after her, and
I did where she was behind us about thirty yards
or so. It's about a six to seven foot drop
in elevation going down toward the river area, and she
was in that little opening, and I think she was
probably there when I pulled up, and she was probably
spying the property owner, you know, watching hill. And I
sat there and then she moved and I caught a
glimpse of her. I caught about a half second when
she bolted. I did. I jumped up and I told him,
I said, I said, there, it is grave your gun,
And I mean I ran, I ran above her, and
we have all this rush between us, and mind you,
it's green down in there. It's beautiful down in there.
She's down below me. She went north. I'm run north.
I'm above her, and I drew my gun. I drew
my gun. It was my little Bretta three eighty. I
always have it on me.
Speaker 3: Why did you draw your gun?
Speaker 4: Man has scared me. It scared me, And I know
I have a young one out there. And you know something,
even when you're at home, you think about it. Man,
don't piss her off, just like pissing off of mama.
Bear with her guves, right. But I chased after her
and I drew it. Just if I needed it. I
wouldn't have gone going after a shoot her. I just
wanted to see her again. But you never know what's
going to happen, right, And so I did draw my gun,
and I chambered one. You know, come to find out
after this fact, I'll tell I'll get to the gun
here in a minute. It scared me, That's why I
drew it. And I'm running now. I ran probably fifty
yards above her, trying to look through the brush, look through.
I hadn't run that fast and probably twenty five years
and I knew I had. I knew I had a
game trail coming up. I had to cover about fifty
yards up there to get to that game trail. Been
up and down that game trail twenty times. And when
you cut down that game trail, which I did, it
goes down about twenty five feet or so and it
splits to the left and or you can stay to
the right, and I stayed to the right. I we
was just trying to cut her off and see her. Yeah,
I wasn't trying to sho. I won't ever shoot one
nless I had to. It had to be self defense.
I mean, just you know, my life was theirs whatever.
But it was just my little breadth of three eighty.
And always wear it out there. I wear it all
the time anyway, because of the mountain lions and the hogs.
That's why I always have a gun on me out there.
And I always have my knife on my belt too,
a big knife. Anyway, I never did see her again,
And the whole time I was chasing after, I never
saw her down through that brush and that stuffs thick.
Didn't see her, didn't smell her, and didn't hear her.
But when she bolted, sister, she was gone. They're fast,
they are so fast.
Speaker 3: Hey, at least you try, right. I mean, I don't
think you're gonna catch them, but at least you tried.
You got a little cardio out of it.
Speaker 2: Your heart's pumping because you're scared on top of it.
Speaker 4: As much as my heart was pumping when I when
I went in behind that tree structure a few weeks earlier,
my heart was it was going off the charts and
going down that game trail, trying to cut her off.
And I'm looking back the way she would have had
to come and where she could have went, and I
couldn't see nothing of hers. I did investigate that whole
area for the next hour. I worked my way back
the way she would have had to come. The property
owner's still up there. He's got his gun on him
now and he's still up there in front of the cabin.
And I said he's got bad copd. And he never
saw anything either. I mean, I'm looking all in that
brush and everything. I'm just so excited. I can't even
tell you how excited I was. I finally got to
look at my female well. Her track sizes are thirteen
inches and I found them in three different locations, and
they're impressive. And with the young ones, I'm thinking of
female because Patty's trackway her tracks for fifteen inches. Okay,
so with the fifteen inches, and I told Doug Hychek
about this, he was like, ye, no, you're probably right, Matt.
Patty's was fifteen inches. These are thirteen, and I have
the young ones tracks, and so I'm thinking, Okay, if
Patty was seven foot three and a half with a
fifteen inch track and these are thirteen, she's probably somewhere
between six and a half seven feet tall, right, educated guests, Well,
where I saw her at about the armpit level. I
had the property owners sit exactly where I was sitting
on that bench, looking back into that opening of briers
that were as high as where this girl's armpits were.
And I went back down this other trail and back
down to where she. In my brain stood that there
was these two saplings between these trees and a lot
of brush, a lot of vines, a lot of briers,
and these two limbs come out from these two saplings
toward each other and that opening, and they don't touch
in their clothes, and they got little leaves on them,
but they just kind of come out and it almost
makes like a horizontal line. If you're looking at her right,
and her armpit was at that level, so her head
was above that. And I went down there and he
sat where I sat, and my head was about a
foot under that. I had him watching this. So she's
under seven foot and she's a light set of red color,
and she's fast, and she was probably less than two
feet thick. It was a quick look, but it was
like a quick photograph I got. I got the left
side of her face and her head. I don't think
it was as big as a basketball, maybe, but I
don't think so. You couldn't really see a neck, but
you could see the head and the shoulders and her
back when she darted. She might have been three feet
at the shoulders maybe, and maybe under and probably under
two feet thick. And that light seat of red color you.
Speaker 2: You mentioned h even in your Silver Valley sighting, and
this young lady.
Speaker 3: Here, yeah, there, the hair on their head was jacked up.
What do you make about that?
Speaker 4: I don't know, just messy. They don't walk around with
brushes and combs, man, they're out in the woods, born
and raised there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Other than that, though, was the rest of especially the
one that you saw from the truck because you got
a better look at it other than the hair, other
than the hair on the head, or for whatever. Did
it look quite clean, you know, did the blacks was
it shiny, or did he look kind of you know, dirty,
roughed up anything, because it sounds like he just went
probably through a tornado, which is maybe another reason why
he even saw him.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's gone through my head a lot, even
from the moment that that all happened. His hair, like
I said, was probably an inch and a half. I
think I sent you a picture of a mountain gorilla
just that kind of that smooth to the skin hair look. Yeah,
but probably an inch and a half. People have asked
me about that shine or was it a dull black?
You know, I really couldn't tell you. I just know
that it was jet black, whether it had a sheen
to it or not. Even though the sun was hitting him,
I could see the muscles each side of the spine.
The traps were stupid big tapered down to really a
thick way, so it didn't taper down like a bodybuilder.
But the hair was fairly short. You know. You hear
a lot of people talk about the dreads or the
longer hair of the six eight inch hair all over them,
now not this guy. And you could see the muscles.
I couldn't see the little fine muscles, the little trick.
I couldn't see that, not at that distance. But I
could see the big ones. You could see the muscles
on the back like you could see an arm. They
were so big and they have the same It's like
they have the same muscles we do, only bigger, impressive.
And I've said it. You know, you hear about ranchers
and farmers talking about cows and goats and stuff go
missing off the property. You know, Yeah, this thing I
saw they could put a cow over and shoulder and
step over a fence problem. This thing was massive.
Speaker 2: So Matt, before I let you go, would you humor
me by would you Okay, so the bigfoot that's behind
you the cutout, is that about the size of the
one that you saw in Silver Valley from the truck.
Speaker 4: I want to say that it is, because I do guess.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, it's just a guess, and that's fine, But
would you would you humor me by going over?
Speaker 3: And this for everybody of watching on Patreon and YouTube.
Speaker 2: But Matt is going to go stand by this because
I always say how hard it is to imagine the
size of these things.
Speaker 3: Look at that. Oh my gracious. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the one in Silver Valley was at least that tall,
and that's my guess, and that's why I bought this one.
He's seven and a half, yeah, feet tall, and he
was the one I saw was seven and a half
to eight and that that that was from my point
of view, that's pretty impressive, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It is so impressive.
Speaker 2: But I have to say, you know, if you're out,
you know, around a campfire, and that thing walks into
your camp I mean, that's a completely different situation than
sitting in an eighteen wheeler right now.
Speaker 4: It is, it is and and and even though I
was in the safety of that eighteen wheeler, it scared
shit out of me, Shannon immediately, it did. Uh and
I and and I say, nine thirty five am because
when and when this guy walked after this event, and
I went past the workers on the other side of
the creek, and I got maybe a mile further down
the road, it hit me to look at and I
looked at my watch and it was almost nine thirty
seven And I immediately thought to myself. I saw this
thing about nine thirty five am. That's when I saw it.
And uh, bright, beautiful sunny day. When it got to
that tree line. When it got to that tree line,
he walked in and he just disappeared like smoke. And
I've told people, move a bunch of tree limbs out
of the way and make this ruckie. He he just
blended in so fast and so easily. I get it.
An animal camouflage. It is no joke. And I've been
rabbit hunting before and stop, take a break, and there's
a rabbit right there beside me. I never saw it
out go out in the wood down there between Brady and
Brady Lake, and I took Yeah, I took a break
and after about ten minutes sitting on this log and
bring it some water. I looked to my right, so
it made me look to my right ten twelve feet
away from me. It was a great fox. She just
sitting there looking at me the whole time, and I
never knew she was there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are incredible, that is true.
Speaker 4: And what they are, you know, there's a very significant
part to the Silver Valley story. Okay, I've done a
couple of podcasts already. And I've been told, man, you
need to mention it. You keep forgetting And I don't
talk about it a lot, sometimes on purpose, but I
will say it because the truth is the truth, period,
and that's just who I am said. I'm not going
to embellish anything, and I'm not gonna you know, I'm
not gonna lie and make stuff up. I'm just telling
what happened. And you know, people can believe it or not.
I'm just but after and when this thing went into
the woods, I mean, that was the last I saw
of me, you know, And I'll never get that image
out of my head. The way he just went in.
It was like smoke. Man, he was gone. I go
past these workers and I make my way to come
and I've got this load of fuel to deliver, right
And I did, and I had to go back to tabling.
And I was so excited and I was so emped up.
I could not wait to get this fuel in the ground.
And I had unleaded gas, I had premium gas lane,
and I had diesel clear diesel. And I didn't mix them.
I didn't put the wrong ones down in the ground
in the wrong spot. Man. I got it right, got
in paperwork, signed, and I hauled ass forrabling. And when
I started getting closer to where I saw this thing,
I slowed my tractor down, no faster than forty miles
an hour, you know, thirty five maybe, and I've got
my four way hazard one like something's wrong. There wasn't
nothing wrong with my tractor. I had to slow it
down because I'm looking. I'm getting closer to this area,
so I slow it down. I've got my four way
flashers going, and I'm just, man, I'm just I'm looking.
My head is on a swivel and I'm looking. I'm
looking as deep and far and fast as I could.
And I came up on a sheriff's car, a sheriff's
deputy car, I guess a shriff's car. It was on
the right hand shoulder. And this is within a mile.
You got to remember this from where I saw this guy.
Within a mile, I passed the shriff's car. It's on
the shoulder, and it's driving real slow, you know, fifteen
twenty miles an hour on the highway, right around the
area where I saw this guy. And then I'm going
up and I'm getting closer to my area, and another
stairs car was coming from the other way, heading back
toward car Real, slow on the shoulder, and shortly after
him was a third one. And I recalled later that
when I left Coleman, there was a a sherif's vehicle
or law enforcement villa that was going back toward Comban.
Uh after I got out of Coman, But I had
those four ways on. I passed three of them right.
Speaker 6: There in that area where I saw it, Channon, I
ain't the only one that saw that guy.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it was that work crew
that called. They could have never saw it where they stood.
I've been out there, but just it roaming through that area,
you know, somebody else had to say it. Oh yeah,
somebody called the law Oh yeah, they were there and
they did, and I said it that's what it struck me,
as like they looked like they were looking for escape prisoners.
They were driving real slow on both sides of the highway, Man,
and it's like they were looking for escape prisoners. I went,
I ain't the only one that saw it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Except they're not going to find it or see
it unless it really screws up or it wants them
to see it.
Speaker 4: So well, I've said it. No, I caught mine in
the open. Mine was an accident.
Speaker 3: Work Yeah, yeah, yeah, he wasn't happy, but you were. Yeah. Well,
I'm so happy that you were able to lift so
much evidence off of that handprint. And I cannot wait
to hear what happens with that. It sounds like you
have a lot of great people involved with that. And
I love that you go out so much, and you
love that you go out so much.
Speaker 2: Okay, last question before I let you go. Okay, you've
heard you've heard me ask this question. If you've ever
heard my show, I already know you may know what's coming.
Are you worried that, because you've already said you go
out pretty much by yourself all the time, are you
worried that you're going to have one of those kinds
of encounters that makes you decide you.
Speaker 3: Don't ever want to go back out? You you do
you worry about that?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I do. Every time I go. I'm drawled
up and I always say a little prayer to God.
I know what's in these woods and I'm seeing them.
And it took me seven years May seventeenth. It took
it took think about it May twentieth, May seventeenth. It
took seven years for me to see my second one.
And there again, I just caught a glimpse of it.
I could have never seen her while we were there.
I'm always worried. I always say a prayer when I
go into the woods. I'm always armed. I'm always got
my forty four magnum on my hip. It's a Smith
and Wesson Red Hawk. It's a powerful gun. Now I've
got my twelve gage pump and I carry heavy ammunition
in that. Both of those firearms will drop an elephant
at close range. Don't ever, ever ever want to use them.
My little BURRETTA three eighty, that is that's just a case,
Like I said, a mountain line or something comes at
men hogs. Yeah, I do. That were people. So I
do have that fear factor. How can you not You
cannot see something like that? And you know, and people
people talk about that, they say they see something, they
see these things they said, they just they put it
out of their head. They don't think about it anymore.
And then ten years, twenty years go by and they're like, okay,
I'm going to talk. You can't put this out of
your head. You cannot put this out of your head.
I think about it. I'll go sometimes, you know, days
without thinking about it. Doesn't mean it don't cross my mind.
I'm just not really aware of it. But yeah, I
think about it seven years later all the time, and
I think about my next trip into the woods and
my last trip in the woods. And I love it. It's addictive,
and once you see one, you're either you're either never
going in the woods again or you are. And for me,
Shannon June the fourteenth, eight days from now, there's going
to be fifteen years that my twenty year old son died.
He died in Lovetock, Texas. That was Ryan. And I've
told this story. This is ryan dream. It's been on
my hands today. He died and I put this story
on Ryan. And so I've asked God over the years,
and why did my son die? And why did I
see Bigfoot. I'm getting busy living, I'm not getting busy
dying there And I love what I do and I'll
never stop. Doctor Jeff Meldrim told me, and I've told
a lot of people. Doctor Meldrim looked me right in
my eyes that twenty twenty one big Foot conference I
had some alone time with him right there at his table,
and I showed him pictures where I saw this one
in twenty nineteen. And he looked me right in my
eyes and he said, discovery leads to knowledge. And he said,
and that knowledge will lead to new discoveries. He said,
never stop looking, Matt, And I have it and I
never will. And I promise what he said resonated with
me and he meant it. And I have you know
of the nineteen eighty two Grays Harvard County, Washington cast
cast by Dennis Hereford, Deputy Shriff. Doctor Meldrim told me
this is one of the best casts ever, if not
the best cast print ever. I bought it and I
show it to everybody. People need to know these things
are real. There's a lot of idiots out there, and
there's a lot of morons out there, and there's a
lot of liars out there. I ain't one of them.
I'm dedicated to what I do because I saw it
and I want to see I want to see them again,
and I want to see them face on. I want
to see what everybody's talking about that on that look.
If I die in the woods by one of these
things or rattlesnake bite. Okay, God's got my number anyway.
I'm not trying to push the envelope. But I can
get in my pickup and I can go from here
to Walmart. Man, I ain't get killed along the way,
That is true. Get busy living, get busy living, or
get busy dying. And I love the adventure and I'll
never stop. I just I need to get some more
research people. And I've got a couple of them here.
I ain't gotten in the woods with them, but we're
going to. That's gonna put my mind to these a
lot when I go into woods, because it's scary, Shannon,
it's scary. And I've told people. I've told people. I've
told them, you know, people that you get these trolls.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I don't mind skepticism. You know, Skepticism can lead you
down a path to new questions when somebody says something
to you right, something you may not have thought about.
Skepticism is a good thing. I don't have a problem
with that. I got a problem with asshos. There's somebody
that's gonna call me a liar. Yeah, you know, we
can go out back, buddy, right now, let's go.
Speaker 2: But the problem is they don't ever want to take
it that far. They're just tough online.
Speaker 4: They are, and uh, I don't. I don't pay them
any mind, and I never will. I'm not going to
give them the time of day. But the fact is,
and I say it, And you've been there, you know, Shannon,
And I followed you. I've been following you for a while.
My friend pull up out in the woods somewhere. You
go out, you go off. I went out. I went
out Live Blackburn gave me directions to a place. I
drove to Kentucky and I drove back and I took
my time coming back, and I did walk abouts in
Tennessee twice, and I did walk abouts in Arkansas. And
I was outside of Arkansas. Lile Blackburn told me of
this place to go, and I went, this is on
a Monday. This is this last Monday. There wasn't nobody
out there. And it's called by You's boat Ramp. It's
in Alex Smith Park. And what did I do. I
crawled out of my truck and I put my forty
four on my hip and I did a walk about.
And that place has got an eerie feeling. But I
tell people that don't know or that wonder, and you'll
know what I'm saying is true. You can get out
in a place like that. When you shut that door,
it's already quiet. And then you walk one hundred and
fifty feet into those woods and you just stop and
stand there and listen. You're in a whole new world,
and everything for one hundred and fifty yard card that
lives in those woods knows you're there. Lizards, bobcats, squirrels.
You ain't gonna sneak up on Bigfoot. You got to
get lucky, and you got to get them acclimated to you.
I think that's what's happened out here. She's gotten acclimated,
she's gotten comfortable with me. And I keep a I
keep a I keep a positive. I've been told by
a couple of investigators that think positive, think good. And
I do and and and and in my heart and
in my mind, I let them know without saying that
I'm not here to hurt you. I just want to
know about you. I want to see you again. These guns,
and I think she knows that they're they're for the
mountain lions and they're for the hogs. Because I project
that mentally and and it's it's good for your soul
to get brave and go live in adventure. Now do
every chance I'm doing it in the morning. I can't
wait and wait and listen Channing. Uh, I know you've
been out here to Texas, sister, and uh, you're right.
Those hogs are like little gangs. But in October, I'm
going to the Texas Bigfoot Conference Craig Woolheater and all
them Adam Davies are all going to be there, loud
like Bernal. That's Friday and Saturday event Sunday. I have
a really good friend used to live here and he
moved back home. He's from Panola County. He's Texas piney Woods.
He's he's taking me down in the Sabine River bottoms
and uh, he's going to guide me down in there.
He knows his way and his friends and uh, I've
got another researcher here. We're gonna we're going to see
what happens with that with him. He's going to be
at the conference. And you know about them piney Wood, Shannon.
I'm going down in the river bottom sunny and these
things out there, they don't play. They charge you a
lot of reports, a lot of reports out of East Texas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bigfoot out there get a little steamy, little
hot under the collar and they act a whole lot
pissed off sometimes from the sounds of it.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, you've been out there. The heat out there
ain't no joke. I think I don't go out there
until October anyway.
Speaker 3: Skeeters and hogs and packs of wild dogs and interesting life.
Speaker 2: Well, the people are the scariest thing always in the
woods anyway.
Speaker 4: But you know they are. They're some of the toughest
people I've ever talked to in my life. Yeah, they
don't play and.
Speaker 2: Well just people in general, Uh, you know, can be
the scariest things in the woods. I just don't want
you to have a bad experience because I can tell
how much you going out there for bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I really don't. But Matt, did you want to? And
you don't have to?
Speaker 2: But I always offer this to anybody that's a researcher.
Did you want to give out any of your social
media or because I didn't mention your last name. I
never do that unless somebody wants me to, So that's
up to you.
Speaker 3: You do not have to do that.
Speaker 4: No, you can't. People can reach out to me. They
can find me on Facebook. I'm Matt Langford. You can
find me on Facebook. I'm good with that. I'm one
of those. I'm one of those people. You want to
talk bigfoot, you know, talk if you want to talk shit,
don't bother me. I found thickfoot. I can find you.
Don't do it. Yeah, don't do it?
Speaker 3: Amen?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Amen. Sister. If you're out, if you're out,
if you're out near Jefferson, Texas, near East Texas in
October for that conference, let's get together. If you want
to go down with the Bean River Bottles with your people,
we'll go because I got a guy taking us. Think
about that. Keep that on your calendar if you can
find the time.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, Matt. And you're just you're such a
positive kind person, by the way.
Speaker 3: You're always so positive to everybody online.
Speaker 2: We need more of that, and I just want you
to know that it doesn't go unnoticed, at least by me.
You're just you're a very positive person, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I am. I am a very positive person. Like I said,
you know, my son died fifteen years ago, and that's
all Bigfoot. Those are life changing events, and I have
asked God why those events happened. I'll see my son
in a minute, right as you will, and all my
questions will be answered. And until then, I'm just gonna
do what I'm gonna do. I'm going to live my life. Man.
I'm going to Arizona to Maple Peak, you know, and
I'm going out to Florida, and I'm getting busy living.
I got one more year till I retire, and I
may be hitting up there to Las Vegas. You can
show me what's that going on in Nevada.
Speaker 3: You know, not a lot of shoot around, but other
wild things go on here. You know.
Speaker 2: Everybody assumes I see all he's UFOs, but you can't.
Speaker 3: It's just too bright out. It's right outside. But maybe
I just need to go outside call them into me.
Speaker 2: Maybe I have that hidden talent that I haven't found yet,
but I doubt it.
Speaker 4: You do have it, You do have a talent. The
yellow jackets we've had We've had rain here for the
last two weeks.
Speaker 3: Oh man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So these little yellow jackets, you know, they run
around a little gangs too.
Speaker 3: They're the gangsters like that.
Speaker 2: Damn mockingboard that wouldn't leave us alone during this chip Matt,
you are. You are amazing and wonderful, and I hope
that you'll come back because obviously you're going to have
some more encounters and stories to share. And just be
safe out there, ma'am.
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, ma'am. And we got a hand we got
we got a handprint findings coming.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I cannot wait because that doesn't happen often.
Speaker 3: So huge high file for that, Matt.
Speaker 2: Really great job with that, and I know that Doug
and everyone else is telling you the same thing.
Speaker 4: Great job it was, and I'm just so tickled. It
was a blessing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and she left it. She left it, and you know,
I don't know why. I just think she was spying
on me. But when she left it, it don't matter
who believes, who wants to whatever.
Speaker 4: That's fuel. It's fuel for those of us that are
trying all around this country and all around this planet.
It's always there's people in Australian. Yeah, that's the fuel
of it. You know, it's the excitement of it because
it's a real deal. Uh if I had never seen one,
because there's people they've never seen one. They think maybe
they've been around. They ain't sure, but boy, they're die
hard believers. Yeah, And it's for those people. I hope
they get a glimpse of one because it's life changing,
don't you just I can't. I have a hard time
comprehending it sometimes, But that's okay. It's okay. I'm still
gonna get auf there and be stupid and do what
I do. As soon as they get some more researchers
around me, we can start hooking up. But there's still
gonna be a lot of times I go by myself.
Speaker 2: You keep being stupid. If that's what you want to
call it, I wouldn't call it that. You just you
got that fire going, and I love seeing it, and
I get it. If I was anywhere near the woods,
Uh maybe someday that'll happen, it would be me too,
as much as I could, So I totally get it.
Speaker 4: Matt.
Speaker 2: But thank you so much for being willing and taking
the time, and.
Speaker 4: Thank you all. Come back anytime you want me, you
just reach out, I promise. And if I don't hear
from you when we're getting some of these findings on
that handprint, or if I have anything else, happening on
that her in these wood you're gonna know about Shannon.
Speaker 2: Let me know, you know, I love it so much.
Bigfoot is my favorite thing, just like you. So yeah,
all right, well thank you so much, Matt.
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