Speaker 1: Eight thirty seven come up in a thirty eight here
Speaker 1: fifty five KRCD talk station Brian Thomas with one of
Speaker 1: the good doctors from OHC my cancer doctors. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: getting my CT scan today and keep my fingers crossed
Speaker 1: because I've got low spectrum lymphoma. But today we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about head and net cancer. Why because it's
Speaker 1: Head and net Cancer Month in studio to talk about that,
Speaker 1: doctor Joseph Shaughnessy. And just so you know, because you're
Speaker 1: gonna want to get the number down, it's ohcare dot
Speaker 1: com online, ohcare dot com eight eight eight six four
Speaker 1: nine hundred for initial consultation for second opinion. To be
Speaker 1: glad you're talking to them. They're outstanding doctors. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the morning show, doctor Joseph, Joseph Shaughnessy. It's a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you here.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you've got a well let's see here proof positive
Speaker 1: in my hands. Uh radiation on colleges with interest including
Speaker 1: breast cancer, head and net cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer,
Speaker 1: gastro intestinal cancer, and skin cancer. Broad field of of
Speaker 1: work you do there, doctor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of the nature of what I do
Speaker 2: out in the community. You know, see a broad spectrum
Speaker 2: of cases, and yeah, that's just kind of the nature
Speaker 2: of our day to day operation.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Let us initially establish what exactly is head and neck cancer.
Speaker 1: What comprises head and neck cancer.
Speaker 2: It's basically any cancer that starts above the clavicles. So
Speaker 2: any cancer that arises in the head and neck region
Speaker 2: outside of the brain, in the eye, those are normally
Speaker 2: not included in this group of cancers. So that could
Speaker 2: be a tonsil cancer, the back of the throat they
Speaker 2: call it, the base of tongue, anywhere in the mouth
Speaker 2: region or the gums, the voice box otherwise known as
Speaker 2: the larynx. It can include the thyroid, and then even
Speaker 2: skin cancers in the head and neck region. And then
Speaker 2: there's some other rare cancers like the nasal passages or
Speaker 2: the nasopharynx.
Speaker 1: I just had to dwell us briefly, skin cancer in
Speaker 1: the head and neck region that will be exterior on
Speaker 1: your neck. That would still fall into your area of
Speaker 1: practice or head and neck cancer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Okay, And then you know it can start
Speaker 2: in the head and neck area on the external scan,
Speaker 2: and then it could involve the lymph nodes underneath.
Speaker 1: Or fair enough, fair enough because be pasty Northern European
Speaker 1: descentate white guy that's had multiple severe burns when he
Speaker 1: was a child. I have a regular standing visit with
Speaker 1: a dermatologist annually because dad had a lot of removals.
Speaker 3: Over the years. He spent a lot of time outside.
Speaker 3: So just a little fun advice.
Speaker 1: If you want to get at an appointment with a dermatologist,
Speaker 1: then you might fuck you find yourself fall into that category.
Speaker 1: Not to speak out of turn, doctor scheduled appointment now,
Speaker 1: because it's going to be a long time before you
Speaker 1: can get in with the dermatologist.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Often, I know, I know, it's crazy, it's just crazy. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Is any one of those various cancers you talked about
Speaker 1: within the head and neck cancer room more predominant than others,
Speaker 1: like a softie deal cancer or the larynx.
Speaker 2: Or I would say, so there's this category called the oropharynx,
Speaker 2: that's the tonsils and the back of the tongue. That
Speaker 2: is probably the most common side of origin, and then
Speaker 2: second behind that is probably the voice box. Dirog cancer
Speaker 2: is also a very common cancer, but that's kind of
Speaker 2: in its own group. And not kind of really often
Speaker 2: the focus when they're talking about having net cancer, but
Speaker 2: it is grouped into that otory as well.
Speaker 1: Do these cancers that you went down thyroid do they
Speaker 1: carry with themselves different like risk factors like I've read
Speaker 1: and I'm state in the obvious, I think most people
Speaker 1: are paying attention. Smoking, of course, and alcohol consumption can
Speaker 1: also lead to throat cancers.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you hit the nail on the head there. Alcohol
Speaker 2: and various forms of tobacco exposure probably in some way,
Speaker 2: shape or form, account for seventy to seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of these cancers. So yeah, those are a both very
Speaker 2: well known risk factors and both modifiable risk factors. And
Speaker 2: it's also in a note you know, if you partaken
Speaker 2: those things, cutting back or abstinence altogether can still markedly
Speaker 2: reduce your risk of cancer in the long term. So
Speaker 2: it's not like the damage is already done. Some people think, Okay,
Speaker 2: I smoked my whole life, or I've been drinking excessively
Speaker 2: for a long time. You know, I've already assigned myself
Speaker 2: that permanent risk factor. If you can, if you can
Speaker 2: scale back, you can reduce.
Speaker 1: You It's never too late to quit exactly right. It's
Speaker 1: never too late to convert salvation. Maybe around the corner
Speaker 1: you maybe it'll avoid this type of thing. Well, how
Speaker 1: about infections.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the other big kind of driver of
Speaker 2: these cancers. HPV infection. That's short for human papaloma virus.
Speaker 2: It's a family of viruses. They're very common. They cause
Speaker 2: all sorts of things from like run of the mill warts,
Speaker 2: but there are a few more serious types such as
Speaker 2: HPV sixteen.
Speaker 4: Oh and you know these these they like COVID nineteen
Speaker 4: except HPV form no.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, when they discover these viruses, they
Speaker 2: just assign a number to them, kind of in order
Speaker 2: of when they discover them. But it most people, it's
Speaker 2: still a very common virus.
Speaker 3: Most everybody's got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most people have been exposed in some way, shape
Speaker 2: or form, and then your body just gets rid of
Speaker 2: it and it's not an issue and then it's just gone.
Speaker 2: But a very small percentage of people don't clear it,
Speaker 2: and it kind of festers and it can cause kind
Speaker 2: of chronic inflammation and eventually cause a regular cell division
Speaker 2: and then it causes the cancer.
Speaker 1: So it acts in the same way HPV acts on
Speaker 1: cervical cancer if you have HPV or servial cancer is
Speaker 1: quite often, if not predominantly, caused by an HPV infection exactly.
Speaker 2: That's it's the exact same mechanism. It's the same family,
Speaker 2: it's the same virus as even the same high risk
Speaker 2: HPV forms that cause cervical cancer can cause head in
Speaker 2: neck cancers.
Speaker 1: Okay, And not to get too graphic or specific, but
Speaker 1: the mechanism by which one might contract HV and end
Speaker 1: up with throat cancer sort of acts in the same
Speaker 1: way as you get it when you end up contracting
Speaker 1: cervical cancer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, okay, direct contact and mouth and yeah right, okay,
Speaker 4: So it's a sexually transmitted virus.
Speaker 1: It's a sexually transmitted virus, Okay, regardless where it lands up.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the point of it, all right, Oh,
Speaker 1: of established that clear it up, that little bit of math. Now,
Speaker 1: this other one, this HPV sixteen, I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1: Now I've heard of you know, home h people. There's
Speaker 1: there's a whole multitude of these HPV viruses out there,
Speaker 1: and some of them can, like you said, can cause
Speaker 1: warts like genital warts or I guess same thing that
Speaker 1: happens in your throat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or even just the HPV viruses can cause skin
Speaker 2: worts too. I mean there's so it's a whole spectrum
Speaker 2: of these viruses.
Speaker 1: Okay, and since most people have it, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're sexually active at all, I guess the statistics are
Speaker 1: that you probably have at least or at least had
Speaker 1: HPV infection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I've seen that if you're
Speaker 2: sexually active at all, there's over fifty percent chance that
Speaker 2: you've had some sort of exposure to one of these types.
Speaker 1: All right, how about oral, fair and genial cancers that's
Speaker 1: caused by HPV as well, because because you say, the
Speaker 1: notes suggest that they're on the rise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that is that group of cancers that like
Speaker 2: the tonsil in the back of the tongue, those are
Speaker 2: grouped under the that's a part of your body called
Speaker 2: the oropharynx. And yeah, smoking and alcohol related cancers have
Speaker 2: been diminishing over time. People are engaging in more generally
Speaker 2: responsible behavior and moderation. But these HPV related cancers have
Speaker 2: been increasing over time because these viruses are just so
Speaker 2: widespread now and exposure is so common. And yeah, the oropharynx.
Speaker 2: Is that subset of head and neck cancers that tends
Speaker 2: to manifest these cancers?
Speaker 3: All right, well it's pauses eight forty five.
Speaker 1: We'll continue with doctor Joseph Shaughnessy from OHC again online
Speaker 1: in oh hair dot com eight at eight sixty eight hundred.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get some other risk factors, typical symptoms. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about screening a little bit and hopefully
Speaker 1: can they be cured? He'll answer that question as well.
Speaker 1: Don't go way.
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Speaker 1: OHHC my cancer doctors, ohcare dot coms where you find
Speaker 1: them on line eighty eight six ft eight hundred in
Speaker 1: studio doctor Joseph Shaughnessy, who's a head of net cancer
Speaker 1: specialists among others. He's a whole litany of cancer specialist.
Speaker 1: But we're talking about head and net cancer and when
Speaker 1: we're talking about HPV, I asked about the vaccine and
Speaker 1: it was a definite Yes, men and women can get
Speaker 1: the HPV vaccine in order to try and stave off this.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean the HPV vaccine is essentially a cancer
Speaker 2: prevention vaccine. It is targeted against the high risk forms
Speaker 2: of HPV, not just sixteen. They include a bunch of
Speaker 2: different variations of it sixteen, eighteen, thirty one, thirty three,
Speaker 2: and all these different forms that have been shown to
Speaker 2: be high risk. It can prevent infection and in turn
Speaker 2: can lower your risk of these HPV related cancers significantly.
Speaker 1: All right, now, I'm going on the side of I
Speaker 1: don't care where you are with RFK Junior, I would
Speaker 1: recommend getting that one. All right, What are the other
Speaker 1: risk factors which which might cause head and neck cancers?
Speaker 2: Generally we've touched on on really the main ones. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there are other certain environmental exposures,
Speaker 2: certain kind of chemicals and substances, certain industrial exposures out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a very small percentage of cancers related
Speaker 2: to that, but there can be you know, just oral hygiene.
Speaker 2: If your mouth is in bad shape and you don't
Speaker 2: take good care of it and you just have chronic
Speaker 2: inflammation in there from bad teeth, et cetera. You know,
Speaker 2: that can be a risk factor.
Speaker 1: That should not happen to anybody in my listening audience.
Speaker 1: You got doctors Peck and Frew. They're great doctors. They're
Speaker 1: dennis to take care of you. Any genetic risk very little.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's not any short answer, is now?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Cutting to the chase. What do people need to be
Speaker 1: looking for in terms of the typical symptoms, because you know,
Speaker 1: you get people freaked out of it, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it is what happening now? Is this related to throat
Speaker 1: cancer or something? What are the symptoms?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's tricky. There's a whole wide spectrum of
Speaker 2: possible symptoms. I mean, what you're really looking out for
Speaker 2: is something that is new and different for you and
Speaker 2: it's not going away. I mean this can include like
Speaker 2: a sore throat that's hanging around. Most sore throats are
Speaker 2: not cancer related, but if you have a sore throat
Speaker 2: that's persisting despite you giving it some time and some treatment,
Speaker 2: that's something to get checked out. There can be wider
Speaker 2: red patches in the mouth or throat that won't go away,
Speaker 2: or you know, other gross or ulcers in that area.
Speaker 2: If you have a change in your voice, like hoarseness
Speaker 2: or a muffled voice, that could be a sign of
Speaker 2: something going on. A new neck lump that won't go away,
Speaker 2: difficulty swallowing, difficulty chewing, numbness or weakness in your face,
Speaker 2: or you know, bleeding from your nose or mouth, that
Speaker 2: it's more than just a once or twice off deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's important to note that not all these
Speaker 2: things mean you have cancer.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why next you can go to your primary
Speaker 1: care physician sort of add an outset and talk to that.
Speaker 1: I don't need to call oh if I have a
Speaker 1: sinus infection that doesn't clear up with antibiotics immediately.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, your primary care team is your first line that
Speaker 2: you know. They're well versed in managing these issues, and
Speaker 2: they're very well versed and knowing when to escalate beyond
Speaker 2: just conventional stuff like antibiotics or given it a little
Speaker 2: extra time.
Speaker 1: All right, So we've talked at we were talked at
Speaker 1: length about the lifestyles and screening. So what about the treatability.
Speaker 1: How treatable are these is it?
Speaker 3: Can they metastasize?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess early detection is always usually really
Speaker 1: the key to getting in front of it and being
Speaker 1: we have to have a greater likelihood of success. But
Speaker 1: what's going on in the area of treatments and do
Speaker 1: people still have hope if they get diagnosed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So these cancers are very often absolutely curable, and
Speaker 2: as you touched on, early detection and early intervention can
Speaker 2: really tilt the scales in your favor. You know, if
Speaker 2: it has spread outside the head and neck region, at
Speaker 2: that point in time, it's more about controlling the disease
Speaker 2: rather than cure. But the first thing we're thinking when
Speaker 2: we look at any of these cancer cases is hey,
Speaker 2: how can.
Speaker 3: We get to cure here?
Speaker 2: And there's a variety of tools that we have to
Speaker 2: get to that.
Speaker 3: Clinical trials going on for any of these types of cancers.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, we're always trying to get better, find
Speaker 2: new things, refine our treatment algorithms. I mean, one of
Speaker 2: the big pushes in some of these clinical trials is
Speaker 2: actually sometimes de intensification of treatment. Sometimes these treatments when
Speaker 2: you're doing surgery or chemote therapy can be quite intense,
Speaker 2: and we want to find that sweet spot where we're
Speaker 2: we're maintaining high cure rates but giving people as little
Speaker 2: side effects as possible.
Speaker 1: Well, piling on the incentives for lifestyle changes. While you
Speaker 1: may not be able to avoid getting an HPV infection
Speaker 1: in these worlds, in this world that we currently live,
Speaker 1: in I see that patients with HPV induced or oral
Speaker 1: faaryngeal cancer have a very high survival rate over five years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, we do a great job with
Speaker 2: these HPV related cancers. I mean a lot of scary
Speaker 2: talk about how you know these viruses are out there.
Speaker 2: People are getting these cancers. Often it can be you know,
Speaker 2: younger patients getting these cancers. But the good news is
Speaker 2: is that the cure rates, Yeah, can be around eighty
Speaker 2: five ninety percent, even if it's already spread to the
Speaker 2: lymph nodes in the neck regions, still very high cur rate.
Speaker 1: Well, that is very positive information. But again piling on
Speaker 1: the lifestyle changes, tell my listeners about the population that
Speaker 1: have some smoking slash drinking related.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean unfortunate only they just don't do as well.
Speaker 2: Those are more stubborn, tricky cancers that can be treatment resistant.
Speaker 2: And also you know the effects of smoking and drinking
Speaker 2: for decades can make your body less able to tolerate
Speaker 2: treatment well. And so the combination of all those factors
Speaker 2: can I mean those cancers have a cure rate. I
Speaker 2: mean often it can be under fifty percent.
Speaker 3: Stuff.
Speaker 1: You need to know, folks, And if you need a
Speaker 1: second opinion, you've already been diagnosed. Get in touch with
Speaker 1: OHC at eight eight eight six hundred. Of course, if
Speaker 1: your doctor's suggests you need to be referred to a
Speaker 1: cancer physician. I'm glad that I had a dear friend
Speaker 1: of mine refer me to OHC. I've been at their
Speaker 1: great care for years now and I strongly recommend them
Speaker 1: as well as just from an independent person who's been
Speaker 1: through that experience. Ohcare dot com is where you can
Speaker 1: learn more. Doctor Shaughnessy, it's been a real pressure talking
Speaker 1: to you this morning. Thanks for all the great work
Speaker 1: you do and keep it up and I will again
Speaker 1: encourage my listeners to get in touch with you and
Speaker 1: related to cancer things.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me.
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