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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big blon Sider to Gabrielle with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday edition of our program. Coming up tonight, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>with Daryl Bird of the Cats Pause. He is the

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<v Speaker 1>editor and publisher and a guy who every year goes

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<v Speaker 1>down to the SEC meetings in Florida, down in Destin,

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<v Speaker 1>and as far as I can tell, he's the only

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<v Speaker 1>journalist from the UK beat who makes that trip. And

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<v Speaker 1>I could be wrong about that, but I mean, Daryl

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<v Speaker 1>goes down there every year and he always comes back

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<v Speaker 1>with a notebook chock full of information and stories. He

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<v Speaker 1>posts from down there and calls upon the information and

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<v Speaker 1>bangs out story and column after column after story, uses

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<v Speaker 1>it within the upcoming preseason yearbooks, both football and basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a lot of info and of course not just

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<v Speaker 1>UK people, but the Commissioner talks to everybody you can

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<v Speaker 1>down there, and this year is no different. And had

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<v Speaker 1>to sit down with Mitch Barnhardt, had to sit down

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<v Speaker 1>with Mark Pope exclusive because you know he's the only

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<v Speaker 1>guy there. He'll talk to Mark Stoops, he may have

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<v Speaker 1>already done it. He always talks to his troops, I

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<v Speaker 1>think when he comes back and they have a sit

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<v Speaker 1>down when it comes to what they need for the

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<v Speaker 1>preseason magazine. But Mark Pope has talked about different topics

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<v Speaker 1>regarding basketball, what he would like to see, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the forty game schedule and things like that. But among

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<v Speaker 1>the changes Mark Pope would like to see, and he

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<v Speaker 1>talked about going to quarters four quarters, he wasn't all

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<v Speaker 1>that excited either way about it. I have constantly said

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<v Speaker 1>there is zero reason, none, zip for US college basketball

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<v Speaker 1>to be the only form of the game that plays

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<v Speaker 1>two twenty minute halves. Is that big a deal? Not really,

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<v Speaker 1>But I agree with anybody who says it would improve

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<v Speaker 1>the product, it would improve the fan experience, It would

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<v Speaker 1>improve things for everybody really because and if you follow

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<v Speaker 1>women's basketball, you know this in the NBA as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It resets the foul situation overseas. It does as well

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<v Speaker 1>unless you like a steady parade of free throw shooting

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the first and second halves, then

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<v Speaker 1>leave it the way it is, but otherwise change it up.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know one of the first arguments as well,

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<v Speaker 1>the TV timeouts or no no trust me. After a

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<v Speaker 1>career in television, TV executives will figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>get their commercials in, how to get the brakes and

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<v Speaker 1>how to get their money. Nobody's going hungry, trust me

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<v Speaker 1>on this. Nobody's missing a payday, nobody's missing a paycheck.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it done. But one of the other topics that

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<v Speaker 1>came up, and it's on the cast Ball site today,

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<v Speaker 1>Darrel's got a story and we talked to Daryl coming

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<v Speaker 1>up to the bottom of the hour. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that Mark Pope was pushing forward. He mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>this at a news conference here in lexinon not long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>He would like to see that same rule they use

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<v Speaker 1>in pro ball and in the women's game, where in

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<v Speaker 1>the closing moments of a game, you're under your own basket.

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<v Speaker 1>The other team's drained a bucket. Now you're behind. If

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<v Speaker 1>you call time out, you get to put the ball

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<v Speaker 1>in bounds at mid court. I'm not crazy about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And by coincidence just the other day, because every now

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<v Speaker 1>and then he'll tweet about it. Mike the course, he

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<v Speaker 1>had the Sporting News, for my money, the best college

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<v Speaker 1>basketball writer in the country. He's a regular guest on

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<v Speaker 1>the Leach Report. And I was sitting in for Tom

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<v Speaker 1>a week or two ago and I talked to Mike

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<v Speaker 1>about this and got him going on it, among other things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I had Mike de Corsi explain his passionate feelings

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<v Speaker 1>about this. He is absolutely told opposed to this rule change.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm being logical here. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking this to extremes. Right, what if in baseball? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so we want the great finish. So if you get

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<v Speaker 2>you know that ghost runner thing they do to make

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<v Speaker 2>the game as faster. Well, here we're gonna make it

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<v Speaker 2>even faster. We're gonna bring in a batting practice pitcher

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<v Speaker 2>to pitch to your best hitter, and then we can

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<v Speaker 2>have this great finish where the guy hits it in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the seats that everybody walks off. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's the logic that we're talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's unbelievable to me that people who love the

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<v Speaker 2>sport of basketball don't love it enough to see what

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<v Speaker 2>what garbage? The the the advanced the ball timeout is.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing that really.

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<v Speaker 2>Drives me, uh that that that's the number one thing

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<v Speaker 2>about it, the the uh, the obliteration of competitive logic.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing that drives me craziest about it. But

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<v Speaker 2>the secondary thing is you don't even pay a price,

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<v Speaker 2>because like if if they said, Okay, here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take your time out, but you guys got

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<v Speaker 2>to go run a play without talking to your guys

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<v Speaker 2>like nobody they because you're you're getting the timeout and

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<v Speaker 2>the forty five feet, so you should get one or

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<v Speaker 2>the other. If you're going to try to defend this rule,

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<v Speaker 2>you should get the timeout so your guys can rest,

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<v Speaker 2>or you should get the forty five to fifty feet

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, and then you run a play. You

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<v Speaker 2>better have run it well in practice, because you're not

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<v Speaker 2>getting any help from the sideline that like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like that rule at all, but I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>it a tiny I'd hate it a tiny bit less

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<v Speaker 2>if you get it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you Mike the course of the Sporting News

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<v Speaker 1>talking with me in a recent edition of the Leech Report,

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<v Speaker 1>and quite frankly, I knew that was low hanging fruit

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<v Speaker 1>because I knew that that would get him really cranked up.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love it. Mike. To me, what I really

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<v Speaker 1>like about him, beyond just his writing ability, is he

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<v Speaker 1>can have a hot take. He'll come up with something

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately as far too many people do on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>But he does not subscribe to herd mentality. If everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>piling on when it comes to one particular topic and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just for the sake of it, Mike can

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<v Speaker 1>dig through all the nonsense and see the logic immediately

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<v Speaker 1>and present his side. And every now and then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>retweet by saying, simply, there you go, using common sense again,

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<v Speaker 1>or on Facebook or whatever. And that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>many things I like about Mike de Corsi, just the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he uses common sense so often. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>fun when he gets cranked up. And I'll tell you what,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a great reason to get cranked up. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you follow such things, but the Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 1>Pirates are struggling so badly right now in Major League Baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're making all kinds of dumb moves, and they

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<v Speaker 1>say they're not going to trade Paul Schemes, but who

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<v Speaker 1>knows anyhow. One of the things they did recently, and

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<v Speaker 1>this just shocked me, befuddles me, is they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of renovation or something and they dug up, basically.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've been to that stadium. It's a great ballpark.

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<v Speaker 1>But this pathway, this runway that was lined with bricks

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<v Speaker 1>that had been purchased by Pirates fans, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>way that they do it at the YMCA. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to contribute, you can purchase a brick and either

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<v Speaker 1>put your name on it or in memory of or

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<v Speaker 1>an honor of whatever. And so they had this walkway

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<v Speaker 1>lined with bricks of Pirates fans, and they dug them

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<v Speaker 1>all up and threw them away, and oh man, Mike

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<v Speaker 1>went after him on social media, and I don't blame him.

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<v Speaker 1>What possible reason do you have with it? That is

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<v Speaker 1>the absolute epitome of corporate thumbing its collective nose at fans.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, yeah, my thanks to the leech. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can read Darryl's story at two four seven sports dot

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<v Speaker 1>com Backslash College Backslash Kentucky. Subscribe to the cash Boss

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't already. While we're talking Kentucky coaches, the

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<v Speaker 1>former UK coach, Mark Pope's coach, the guy he will

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<v Speaker 1>face or at lease his team will face down in

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta later this year, Saint John's Rick Patino, naturally his

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<v Speaker 1>name floated in New York City about a potential replacement

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<v Speaker 1>for Tom Thibodau. And this does not mean he's a

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<v Speaker 1>candidate for the job. I say this over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because a writer or broadcaster or you know, Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>author floats a list of candidates quote unquote, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean they are. That's just people supposing who might be

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<v Speaker 1>out there. And of course Patino formerly coached and that

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<v Speaker 1>coached the Knicks for two years before he left New

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<v Speaker 1>York for Kentucky, and Patino said he is zero interest

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<v Speaker 1>in becoming a head coach of the Knicks. He was

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<v Speaker 1>on a broadcast last night of the Yankees and the

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<v Speaker 1>Guardians and they asked him, would you be interested? He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think whoever comes in, if he doesn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>the finals, it's going to be deemed an unsuccessful season.

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<v Speaker 1>So whoever comes in has got so much pressure on

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<v Speaker 1>them to take this team to the next level, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's why they're doing it obviously in their minds. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>they fired Tom Thibodeau on Tuesday, even though he had

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<v Speaker 1>taken the Knicks to the Eastern Conference finals for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time in twenty five years. And cbssports dot com

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram today they have a great graphic. They went

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<v Speaker 1>back and looked at the Chicago Bulls. He was there

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen and fifteen. They went fifty and thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>in his final season, fired him the next year. The

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<v Speaker 1>Bulls without him forty two and forty the next year

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<v Speaker 1>on one and forty one. A couple years later, he

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<v Speaker 1>was the head coach in Minnesota with the Timberwolves for

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<v Speaker 1>two seasons, forty seven and thirty five in his final season.

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<v Speaker 1>Next year they fire him. Next year, they fired him

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<v Speaker 1>mid season after a nineteen and twenty one start. They

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and forty five. So now the Knicks, after a

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one and thirty one season they fire him, And

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<v Speaker 1>now they got, of course next year question mark after

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<v Speaker 1>be careful what you wish for when you're getting rid

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<v Speaker 1>of your coach. But the next coach of the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Knickerbuckers will not be Rick Pattino. Up next, more

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<v Speaker 1>bad news for the Cincinnati Reds. Bottom of the Arradaryl

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<v Speaker 1>Louisville Courrier Journal, and then we'll kind of go deep

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<v Speaker 1>on the hiring by Eku, a former Wildcat player and

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<v Speaker 1>and Sider six thirty WLAP Welcome back to the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Insider. Coming up, Darryl Bird of the Cats pause

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<v Speaker 1>talking about his trip to Florida to the SEC meetings

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<v Speaker 1>and his conversations with Mitch Barnhardt and with Mark Pope.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a Reds fan, well, you're having another tough season.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Every time you get something to be excited about,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems well, something bad happens. And of late it's

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<v Speaker 1>been Hunter Green and he was the former first round

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<v Speaker 1>now he has a groin injury. Was pulled five innings

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<v Speaker 1>he was pitching well, but spent fifteen days on the

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday Nights. That is not as bad as it

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<v Speaker 1>felt in Atlanta, but it's still as he said, grabbed.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was a guy who made his first All

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<v Speaker 1>Right now in the American League Central is in fourth place,

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<v Speaker 1>Barkley on his podcast has talked about how terrible the

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<v Speaker 1>this year and it was crazy successful. The first meeting

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<v Speaker 1>is going to make a change, and it's a good one,

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<v Speaker 1>or should be. And you know who else might play

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles fans, nothing immediately pressing, but Saquon Barkley, who carried

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<v Speaker 1>stuff if you're an Eagles fan. Also if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>wlap Welcome back to the Big Blue in Cider. Let

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<v Speaker 1>us say welcome back to Darryl Bird. He is the

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<v Speaker 1>editor of the Cat's Pause and he is back from Florida. Darryl,

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<v Speaker 1>you make the annual trip down there to the spring meetings.

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<v Speaker 1>He makes a little pleasure with business, I know, but

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<v Speaker 1>we talk every year about how that is such a

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<v Speaker 1>it like this time?

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of the same, A lot of great information, especially

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<v Speaker 4>the last few years, as an entire group, it's been

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<v Speaker 3>That's not fair.

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<v Speaker 4>But we keep waiting for a resolution on this and

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<v Speaker 4>I we thought, we know that we first talked about

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<v Speaker 4>this like four years ago at that spring meeting, and

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<v Speaker 4>here we are and still doesn't appear to be that

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<v Speaker 4>much closer to having something finalized. It's in the chaos,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's changed a lot from when they first introduced

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<v Speaker 4>just everything keeps changing. We can't seem to get to

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<v Speaker 4>a finish, finish line, which everybody wants. I think everybody

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<v Speaker 4>down there is in the opinion. I don't care what

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<v Speaker 4>what's what we can and can't do, and then we'll adjust.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll get on with it. But right now they're adjusting

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<v Speaker 4>as best they can with with you know, no guardrails

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, when all this began, you probably recall

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<v Speaker 1>that Barnhard was getting black because people thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>dragging his feed and then they try to make it

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<v Speaker 1>sound like he was fighting it. And all you had

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<v Speaker 1>to do was ask him, and he tells you, we

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<v Speaker 1>just need guardrails so we don't make any mistakes. And

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky did make mistakes with some football players who got

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble, uh with you know, loosely or unsupervised in

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<v Speaker 1>ilse situations. Uh. But those guardrails, like you said, if

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<v Speaker 1>they're out there. I don't even know what they might be.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, no there are any. And I had a

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<v Speaker 4>really good conversation with Mark Pope about and it ended

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<v Speaker 4>up being about guard rails, but it was about his

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<v Speaker 4>He's been very public he wants the regular season to

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<v Speaker 4>go from thirty one to forty. And at one point

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<v Speaker 4>in our conversation, I said, have you always been a

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<v Speaker 4>fun He said no, No, this is one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 4>to do with the chaos we're in right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Really and he.

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<v Speaker 4>Said, he said, it's all about He said, I've got

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<v Speaker 4>these guys. Every every coach has a brand new team

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<v Speaker 4>every year. We barely get to know them before the

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<v Speaker 4>season's over and they're out the door. We're not preparing

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<v Speaker 4>them for the NBA playing thirty one games where they've

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<v Speaker 4>got up to one hundred depending how long the playoffs last.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, we've got to speed it up. He's like

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<v Speaker 4>he pointed out to me. I thought it was hilariously

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<v Speaker 4>And you know what, it's been around forever, the stupid

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<v Speaker 4>work out four hours a week with something. It's really restricted.

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<v Speaker 4>That rule has been around forever. These guys are getting

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<v Speaker 4>really well compensated. You might want to get a little

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<v Speaker 4>more for your money than restricting it, he said. And

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<v Speaker 4>the funny thing is he didn't call him employees. I

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<v Speaker 4>do these guys making this money want the extra work.

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<v Speaker 4>They want to work put in a little more work

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<v Speaker 4>to earn their their pay, and they can't.

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<v Speaker 1>He said.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just that's the stupidity of said. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>push this thing out the forty so we get more time,

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<v Speaker 4>we get a better team, you get a better bang

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<v Speaker 4>for your bucket from a fan perspective, and you get

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<v Speaker 4>to experience it more. And he said, and then the

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<v Speaker 4>very bottom line, this is a revenue sport and we've

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<v Speaker 4>we had six extra games. We could almost cover that

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<v Speaker 4>six extra home games. He said, that's how crazy it is.

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<v Speaker 4>That thought that was really interesting. I was looking at it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>he just wants to play forty more games, he said.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he's thinking much a much grander speed.

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<v Speaker 1>That which is explained a headline. It explains the headline

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<v Speaker 1>on your website about your your interview with Pope, the

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<v Speaker 1>forty game regular season, and the headlines is prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>be convinced, and it is very convincing. Although it's ironic

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<v Speaker 1>they instituted that that four hour or twenty hour whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>because Mark Pope's college coach was one of the guys

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<v Speaker 1>who would work for these kids twenty hours a day

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<v Speaker 1>if he could, I find out rather c Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. I also wonder he's talked about the forty

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<v Speaker 1>game regular season in the past. How in the world

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<v Speaker 1>would they squeeze that into the college calendar.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a little different, I said, it's nine extra games.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, okay, you want nine more SEC games? He

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<v Speaker 4>said no, he was really fast. No, maybe one or two.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's talk. Let's talk he had because we all been

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<v Speaker 4>around Mark Poper and he is fascinating boy his brain work.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, how about they allow us an exhibition game

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<v Speaker 4>peak of what we look like. Yeah, that exposes our

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<v Speaker 4>team to our fan base a month earlier than normal,

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<v Speaker 4>so they can start to get to know get get

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<v Speaker 4>a peak of these how about we get an exhibition

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<v Speaker 4>like that. We had another exhibition towards the end of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Let us do that. And then he said this also,

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<v Speaker 4>conversations like malle back into it, we can we can

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<v Speaker 4>play these games, and we can do the rips that everybody,

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<v Speaker 4>the fans want to take. So it wasn't just nine

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<v Speaker 4>regular season games in his mind, it was spreading it

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<v Speaker 4>out a couple maybe a couple of conference games, maybe

422
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<v Speaker 4>a couple of exhibitions, and a few more non commerce

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<v Speaker 4>to open up some of these trips.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to take talking to Daryl Bird of

425
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<v Speaker 1>the Cats polls. He was down in Florida, sat down

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<v Speaker 1>exclusively with Mark Pope and Mitch Barnhardt. And you can

427
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<v Speaker 1>read all about it. As a kid, they say at

428
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<v Speaker 1>two four seven sports dot com backs slash College Kentucky.

429
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<v Speaker 1>I just type in Cat's Balls, It'll take you there

430
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<v Speaker 1>and subscribe. He not only wants to wanted to talk

431
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<v Speaker 1>about expanding the regular season. You talked to both Pope

432
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<v Speaker 1>and Barnhart about expanding the NC tournament. I don't know

433
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<v Speaker 1>where you are on that. I'm afraid they're going to

434
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<v Speaker 1>screw it up. They what do these guys have to say?

435
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<v Speaker 4>I'm with you, I leave it alone. Mitch Barnhart was.

436
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<v Speaker 4>Of course, he was on the committee five years. He

437
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<v Speaker 4>was over it. God bless him. He was over He

438
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<v Speaker 4>was a chairman during the COVID year when they had

439
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<v Speaker 4>to do it all in India, and how he worked

440
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<v Speaker 4>that out is a miracle and kept all that. I mean,

441
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<v Speaker 4>there weren't really any hiccups at all, aside in fact,

442
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<v Speaker 4>the UK was nine and sixteen and never got close

443
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<v Speaker 4>to it. That's the worst part. So he has a

444
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<v Speaker 4>fun He says, I think there's something special about sixty eight, right,

445
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<v Speaker 4>So he's he's more allowed to leave it alone. Hope

446
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<v Speaker 4>had an interesting take. He said, I keep hearing talk

447
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<v Speaker 4>conversations of we'll add more, we'll have the automatic qualifiers

448
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<v Speaker 4>kind of play each other and advance that way. And

449
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<v Speaker 4>he said, you do that and suddenly the number one

450
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<v Speaker 4>seed is getting a much stronger opponent than maybe they

451
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<v Speaker 4>would have gotten. He said, I think you work all

452
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<v Speaker 4>season long to get the best deal you can possibly

453
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<v Speaker 4>get as a one seed. He wasn't He wasn't shining

454
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<v Speaker 4>to the idea that it would become a much harder

455
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<v Speaker 4>game for a one seed because of who advanced from

456
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<v Speaker 4>earlier playing games. Kind of I guess like the NBA does.

457
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<v Speaker 4>But he was he kind of he said never say never,

458
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<v Speaker 4>because again, we need more revenue. So he sees that argument,

459
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<v Speaker 4>but he I think just in his heart, he preferred

460
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<v Speaker 4>to leave it alone the way it is.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's love with him. My cynical take is, why

462
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<v Speaker 1>don't we add let's add some more mediocre teams and

463
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<v Speaker 1>get a few more mediocre games. But does that serve

464
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<v Speaker 1>your public? No? But does it serve the bank Bakers?

465
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<v Speaker 1>Does it serve the bank accounts of the people who

466
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<v Speaker 1>want the money? Right?

467
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<v Speaker 4>That's what I call it is. Charlie Baker's argument was

468
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<v Speaker 4>weak in that, well, everybody knew there were some sixty

469
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<v Speaker 4>eight to seventy two's that probably should have been what

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<v Speaker 4>are you saying exactly?

471
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<v Speaker 3>Really?

472
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<v Speaker 4>And there's no way you don't see the was then

473
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<v Speaker 4>the report come out that ESPN was gonna throw a

474
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<v Speaker 4>lot of money at the SEC if they'd add another

475
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<v Speaker 4>conference game. I haven't seen the networks strown a lot

476
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<v Speaker 4>of money college basketball. If you have just increased this

477
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<v Speaker 4>tournament from sixty eight to seventy two or six or whatever.

478
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<v Speaker 1>No, No, it doesn't make sense.

479
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<v Speaker 4>Some of you you know it doesn't.

480
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<v Speaker 1>If it ain't. It'll happen exactly right. I mean, it

481
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<v Speaker 1>may not be the Golden Goose, but they've got a

482
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<v Speaker 1>pretty good thing going.

483
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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, they do.

484
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<v Speaker 1>There are just some people that just can't leave well

485
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<v Speaker 1>enough alone. By the way, doubling back to exhibitions for basketball,

486
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<v Speaker 1>and there's talk about that. We'll talk about it on

487
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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the break. For football. You know

488
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<v Speaker 1>who plays exhibition games and the world doesn't crumble. Baseball,

489
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<v Speaker 1>they play exhibitions. They play a couple of them in

490
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<v Speaker 1>the fall, and they may play one or two in

491
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<v Speaker 1>the spring, and that helps guys like Nick Minngeon and

492
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<v Speaker 1>whoever figure out what they've got. And really, with all sports, Darryl,

493
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<v Speaker 1>back to your point in the day and age, as

494
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<v Speaker 1>Mark Pope said, we barely get to know these guys.

495
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<v Speaker 1>You know, it seems like every team is replacing anywhere

496
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<v Speaker 1>from a third to half of their their roster every year.

497
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<v Speaker 4>And that's not changing changing any time.

498
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<v Speaker 1>It's only going to get well, it's kind of a

499
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<v Speaker 1>qualified term, it's only going to get worse or let's

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<v Speaker 1>say more profound.

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<v Speaker 4>Am I right, yes, yeah, you're right with it again.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll popos some with our guardrails it's just gonna craziness

503
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<v Speaker 4>is going to continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did Barnard talk anything about getting a handle on

505
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<v Speaker 1>the portal and limiting the numbers of times kids can

506
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<v Speaker 1>step in and materialize elsewhere?

507
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<v Speaker 4>No, that never came up during during our conversations. I

508
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<v Speaker 4>know it's a big topic, the portal windows in football especially.

509
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<v Speaker 4>It makes no sense that the way they when they

510
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<v Speaker 4>open it when they close it. So I know the

511
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<v Speaker 4>coaches are in favor of changing those days. We'll see

512
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<v Speaker 4>how that plays out.

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<v Speaker 1>Darrel Bird is my guest. He is the editor of

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<v Speaker 1>The Cat's Clause, and we'll come back and talk more

515
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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky basketball and football on the other side of the

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<v Speaker 1>break here on six thirty WLP. Welcome back. We're chatting

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<v Speaker 1>with Darryl Bird. He is the editor of The Cat's Pause.

518
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<v Speaker 1>He made the trip down to Destin, Florida for the

519
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<v Speaker 1>SEC Spring meeting. He's got a chance to sit down

520
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<v Speaker 1>exclusively with Mark Pope and Mitch Barnhardt. And before I

521
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<v Speaker 1>shift you over to football, your lead story on your

522
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<v Speaker 1>website coming out of the weekend was Mark Pope and

523
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<v Speaker 1>a what if scenario? Without giving away the store, because

524
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<v Speaker 1>we want people to subscribe to your website, But is

525
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<v Speaker 1>it eating at him? What happened this past season. It

526
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<v Speaker 1>was a great year, uh, you know, in terms of

527
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<v Speaker 1>what people expected, but as you point out, two of

528
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<v Speaker 1>the four teams in the final four, Kentucky beat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was the first question. I kind of we

530
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<v Speaker 4>settled into it, and I said, I'm just curious, does

531
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<v Speaker 4>it because you beat Duke? And Flora said does that

532
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<v Speaker 4>haunt you? And He's like, I try not to think

533
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<v Speaker 4>about it a lot. And I was like, except when

534
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<v Speaker 4>I bring it up. He just started laughing. Said, no,

535
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<v Speaker 4>it pops in my head a lot, but not for

536
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<v Speaker 4>a reason you think. He said, it haunts me that

537
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<v Speaker 4>Lamont Butler didn't get a full year healthy. Yeah, he said.

538
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<v Speaker 4>Andrew Carr was off to such a fantastic start and

539
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<v Speaker 4>then the back spasms and those issues it injured for weeks.

540
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<v Speaker 4>That's what haunts me, that those guys didn't stay healthy

541
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<v Speaker 4>and didn't weren't able to take it. As far as

542
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<v Speaker 4>who knows, I mean, they took out Duke in Florida,

543
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<v Speaker 4>took out Duke when they were healthy, took out Florida

544
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<v Speaker 4>when some of the injuries are starting to pop up,

545
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<v Speaker 4>So who knows? You know, he said that it bothers

546
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<v Speaker 4>me for them. You know, he'll get another chance. They won't. Yeah, yeah,

547
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<v Speaker 4>and you don't really very insightful that way.

548
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<v Speaker 1>Well, and he makes a great point. And you know,

549
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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Robinson, same situation. And it was interesting to me,

550
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<v Speaker 1>especially with all this this postseason chatter about Otaka Away

551
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<v Speaker 1>and the NBA and all that. But people, I won't

552
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<v Speaker 1>say they forgot Jackson Robinson, but Otaga Oway became so

553
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<v Speaker 1>prolific that he kind of replaced Jackson Robinson in the mines.

554
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<v Speaker 1>I think of a lot of fans because remember the

555
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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the year, when they need a bucket, who

556
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<v Speaker 1>are they going to go to? Jackson Robinson? And at times, yeah,

557
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.079
<v Speaker 1>he showed that he would be the guy, especially when

558
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<v Speaker 1>he got over whatever doubts he had lingering, but then

559
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<v Speaker 1>when he got hurt, Yeah, but that's another guy. Just

560
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<v Speaker 1>think if that team had been healthy a year, what if? Right?

561
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's it's all right. It would drive me crazy.

562
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<v Speaker 4>But he's he's trying to digest at all and move forward.

563
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<v Speaker 3>But I did ask, I.

564
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<v Speaker 4>Said, did you even watch the championship game? He said,

565
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<v Speaker 4>I don't even remember where it was. I think I

566
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<v Speaker 4>saw bits and pieces.

567
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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't he at the convention or don't the coaches get together?

568
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, he was at the convention and to trying

569
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<v Speaker 4>to recruit, you can't really recruit at that point in person,

570
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<v Speaker 4>so he's doing some work in that regard. But yeah,

571
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<v Speaker 4>I could see where a coach would not want to

572
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<v Speaker 4>watch that game. Especially it's like you're looking at Florida

573
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<v Speaker 4>the coach you used to compete against at San Francisco,

574
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<v Speaker 4>and then here you beat them and you knew what

575
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<v Speaker 4>your team was capable of when it.

576
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<v Speaker 1>Was healthy, and you beat Duke when in Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they shot up ten spots and I forgot I

578
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<v Speaker 4>was in little research. They went from number nineteen to

579
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<v Speaker 4>number nine with that one victory.

580
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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

581
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<v Speaker 1>Man.

582
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

583
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<v Speaker 1>Talking to Daryl Bird as the catch posse, he is

584
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<v Speaker 1>back from the spring meetings in Destin, Florida, had a

585
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<v Speaker 1>chance to sit down with Mark Polpe and Mitch Barnhardt.

586
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<v Speaker 1>We mentioned all the way he comes back. So now

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<v Speaker 1>when you look, I've really been studying this a little bit.

588
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fascinating and Pope might have the best

589
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<v Speaker 1>roster in the country in terms of the different components

590
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<v Speaker 1>and how he mixed them you've got the returning veterans

591
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<v Speaker 1>and now especially with Oway, who could be pre season

592
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<v Speaker 1>Player of the Year. You've got the transfer portal post

593
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<v Speaker 1>on as good a job as anybody, and then you've

594
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<v Speaker 1>got the freshman. He said, a terrific recruiting year. And

595
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<v Speaker 1>you know people will mark Pope be able to recruit

596
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<v Speaker 1>that was ridiculous. You know, he's got Kentucky for crying

597
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<v Speaker 1>out loud. But each one of those components, people like

598
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<v Speaker 1>to break them down and rank them. You know, I

599
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<v Speaker 1>think Pope's done as good a job with those three

600
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<v Speaker 1>components as anybody in the country, you know what I mean.

601
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, his ranking as far as when you combine two

602
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<v Speaker 4>four seven, does the ranking where they combine the high

603
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<v Speaker 4>school class and the portal class. Yeah, I think there's

604
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<v Speaker 4>number three leave. Yeah. And I was trying not to

605
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<v Speaker 4>ask the question, trying to ask the question carefully because

606
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<v Speaker 4>you don't want to insult his first team. I said,

607
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:07.279
<v Speaker 4>but it appears you guys purposely wanted to get more

608
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 4>athletic this time. And he's like, oh yeah. I was like, well,

609
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<v Speaker 4>I guess I was worried about nothing. He said, There's

610
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<v Speaker 4>no doubt he said, we wanted the versatility. How was

611
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<v Speaker 4>he put it? The versatility that my guy can guard

612
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<v Speaker 4>multiple positions or play multi you know, I don't. They

613
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<v Speaker 4>didn't want to be tied down to you know, I

614
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<v Speaker 4>can only got guard the shooting garden. I'm not I'm

615
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<v Speaker 4>not value to you. And maybe because of the injuries

616
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<v Speaker 4>they just went through that, you know, if they do

617
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<v Speaker 4>take a hit, that they've got someone versatile enough to

618
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<v Speaker 4>pick up and not miss the you know, not miss

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<v Speaker 4>a beat on that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be fascinating to see how he cobbles

621
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<v Speaker 1>is together and it's going to be a fascinating read

622
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<v Speaker 1>if you will only subscribe to the cats ba's website

623
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<v Speaker 1>and read Daryl's interview with Mark Poop and Mitch Barnard.

624
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<v Speaker 1>Now you're back from Florida, and I know you've never

625
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<v Speaker 1>really quit working on the yearbooks coming up. You know,

626
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 1>our man Aaron Gershan has kind of kept us up

627
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<v Speaker 1>to day on what he's up to. But what's going

628
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<v Speaker 1>to be the overall theme of this year's college football yearbook?

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<v Speaker 1>I know you guys are hard at work on that.

630
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we are coming. We'll go to Preston unless actually

631
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<v Speaker 4>the cover is pretty much done it's all about the

632
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:27.480
<v Speaker 4>puzzle pieces. And I know it's human nature, but it

633
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<v Speaker 4>bugs me a little bit because they've got forty two

634
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<v Speaker 4>new faces. And if you just sit down right now,

635
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 4>say who's you gonna put on the cover of yearbook,

636
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:38.039
<v Speaker 4>You're like, I don't know, I don't I don't know

637
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 4>the quarterback, I don't know the running backs that well,

638
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.880
<v Speaker 4>there is no name player that just jumps off that's returning,

639
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 4>and that again, that's part of this environment we're in,

640
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 4>and it bugs me a little that. I guess it's

641
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 4>human nature, especially in this day and age. I've never

642
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 4>heard of these guys. Therefore, I don't know that they're

643
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<v Speaker 4>any good. Yeah, versus they could be much better than

644
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.079
<v Speaker 4>last year's team, you don't know, So it's it's more

645
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 4>from that regard. And then got the schedule. They could

646
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 4>be much better than last year, and it not showed

647
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 4>because of the brutal schedule that they're staring at. And

648
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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who they angered at the SEC or

649
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:20.360
<v Speaker 4>for who Missouri. Have you seen Missouri's SEC schedule? Now,

650
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.920
<v Speaker 4>Oh my goodness, it's there is no cake walking SEC.

651
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 4>But if there was, this is as close as it gets.

652
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<v Speaker 4>Is that right, Oh yeah, it's it's worth looking up there.

653
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 4>I'll do it based on who they they don't play.

654
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 4>It's it's like, oh you you got a kidding me.

655
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's really what it's about. It it's you

656
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 1>don't it is? Yeah? Yeah, Well, and you and I

657
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:44.199
<v Speaker 1>have covered this program long enough to where how many

658
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.880
<v Speaker 1>times have we said that they could be better but

659
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.039
<v Speaker 1>the schedule won't allow it to show. But as Mark

660
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Stoops made improvements to this program, they kind of pushed

661
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>through that. Now they've fallen back and they just got

662
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to figure it out. Obviously, I'm sure you'll write a

663
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<v Speaker 1>lot about the O line, the D line, really all

664
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<v Speaker 1>of it. But yeah, you're right, it's it's gonna be

665
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:10.079
<v Speaker 1>in terms of the returning players, and the new face

666
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:14.199
<v Speaker 1>is the most mysterious preseason I think we've ever covered.

667
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:18.199
<v Speaker 4>You know, oh, there's no doubt. Forty forty two I

668
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 4>think it was new faces. But then now I look

669
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 4>around and I'm like, oh, this is driving that's crazy.

670
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.199
<v Speaker 4>But then you look at West Virginia where Rich Rodriguez

671
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:33.119
<v Speaker 4>is back as coach, seventy two new players, what yeah, geez, like,

672
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 4>oh my goodness, I'm gonna shut up wanting. It's like

673
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 4>a covering West Virginia is going.

674
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<v Speaker 1>What it's like with coach Prime did the Colorado?

675
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, man, it's it's crazy.

676
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>How do you scout that?

677
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 4>You don't know, we're gonna do what I said?

678
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.320
<v Speaker 1>How would you scout that team? You can't.

679
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:56.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the coaches can't scat it.

680
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>We did.

681
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 4>Nobody could write about it. Be very difficult, but it's

682
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.880
<v Speaker 4>it's one of those wheres you just got to learn them.

683
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:04.920
<v Speaker 4>They need they need to get some couple of bigger

684
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 4>they be. You know, obviously they're the opener, but they

685
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 4>need to get a big SEC win early. Oh yeah,

686
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.400
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of to change this momentum that they'll.

687
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Have a chance based on that schedule, will a chance

688
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:19.880
<v Speaker 1>they will well shamelessly plug the publication day when people

689
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>can pick up their their football magazine.

690
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 4>We always are out the week after July fourth, The

691
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 4>week of July fourth, it comes out like the fifth, sixth.

692
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 4>We try to avoid the holiday crush and just get

693
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 4>it up immediately after fourth of July. It will be around.

694
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Well. I know in this daye that the internet people

695
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>still scoop up the preseason magazines and the catch to

696
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<v Speaker 1>have thanks to Darryl and Aaron Gershaan and their crew.

697
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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, sir, and we'll chat again before

698
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 1>the summer's out.

699
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:50.639
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it.

700
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<v Speaker 1>Up Next, our number two is Ryan Black of the

701
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Courier Journal and the new head baseball coach at Eastern Kentucky.

702
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Dan Weisberg gets all they had on six thirty w

703
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<v Speaker 1>M P.

704
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<v Speaker 6>Takes Do.

705
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Blue and sider joining us

706
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>now as a guy who's been on the show several times.

707
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back Ryan Black at the Courier Journal. It is

708
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the off season, of course, but Ryan, thanks to the portal,

709
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>thanks to the interweb, which you most endeavor to fill

710
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 1>as we all do. Uh you never really you get

711
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 1>to take some time off now and then, but uh

712
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.159
<v Speaker 1>it does, Kid. The beat keeps you busy. Ryan covers

713
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 1>the basketball and football cats. But you really don't get

714
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>to slow down much, do you.

715
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.079
<v Speaker 3>No, It's I mean, can't feel like we've talked about

716
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:20.760
<v Speaker 3>this so many times any time to have me on

717
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.480
<v Speaker 3>and thanks again for having me. Honest is yeah, I

718
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.159
<v Speaker 3>feel like there used to be, you know, prior to

719
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:29.480
<v Speaker 3>the transfer portal and prior to so many changes that

720
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 3>have up into college athletics in the last you know, decade.

721
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 3>But there used to be a little bit more of alone,

722
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.440
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more time to catch your breath, and

723
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:40.880
<v Speaker 3>now it just seems like it's just constant roster shuffling

724
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.079
<v Speaker 3>and then all these other offseason events that go on.

725
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.280
<v Speaker 3>Now it's like you kind of there's just not as

726
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.199
<v Speaker 3>much time to catch your breath as or what that's

727
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 3>right now.

728
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, for fans, it's kind of

729
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.840
<v Speaker 1>fun because now it's the way way too soon preseason

730
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Speaker 1>top twenty fives and the rankings of the portal classes,

731
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.960
<v Speaker 1>and you still got the recruiting cla classes that people

732
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.119
<v Speaker 1>like to rank. But does it seem to you like

733
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 1>the portal classes were for obvious reasons Now Our front

734
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.280
<v Speaker 1>and center used to be who had the best recruiting class,

735
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 1>now is who's got the best portal class? Right?

736
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:12.679
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

737
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.119
<v Speaker 3>And I mean, I know I wrote about this, you know,

738
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.360
<v Speaker 3>a few weeks ago, just about the fact that at

739
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 3>that time Kentucky football only had one commit you know,

740
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.679
<v Speaker 3>for twenty twenty sixth class, and I kind of let

741
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 3>off with just saying that, Hey, I mean, there are

742
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 3>certain schools like Ole Miss, for instance, that they just

743
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.320
<v Speaker 3>prioritize the portal over you know, over high school recruiting

744
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 3>because you know, Lane Tiffin is kind of used like, hey,

745
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 3>I'd rather bring in a guy already know who has

746
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 3>been through the rigors of college and knows how to

747
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 3>pick up a college playbook versus this is just a

748
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.480
<v Speaker 3>little bit more of a risk, you know, projecting a

749
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.039
<v Speaker 3>high school guy to comes to college level. So I

750
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:44.400
<v Speaker 3>think you're a hundred cent of right, dick it. And

751
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 3>here's the other thing too, And I think you would

752
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:47.960
<v Speaker 3>agree with this for as long as you've been around it. Man,

753
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 3>National Signing Day in February used to be this just

754
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 3>massive bonanza of an event in the college sports calendar.

755
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 3>And now especially because it's kind of just sandwich THENTO

756
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:02.199
<v Speaker 3>December with all the early andlies and juco transfer, it's

757
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:05.960
<v Speaker 3>nasal Sunday favorite, that seems like a complete after thought.

758
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 3>So it's just yeah, and like, it just used to

759
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 3>be one of the biggest things to me in the

760
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.239
<v Speaker 3>college sports calendar, especially if you were ready a big

761
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.800
<v Speaker 3>time football school where the football recruiting wasn't a big

762
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.000
<v Speaker 3>deal that But now it just seems like it's just

763
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:19.960
<v Speaker 3>that they just throw it in there and there might

764
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 3>be a couple of guys who were signing in February,

765
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:25.039
<v Speaker 3>but the ninety percent of your classes signing in December.

766
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Now, yeah, it's exactly.

767
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.159
<v Speaker 3>It's just a different deal. It's a different deal for sure.

768
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, to that end, that presentation of Recruiting Day on

769
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the web by UK, it evolved from me sitting in

770
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:43.079
<v Speaker 1>a chair in front of one camera if I had

771
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 1>something to report, Okay, they got a new signing or

772
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 1>is it a podium or something. They asked me to

773
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>come in and do that. Uh, and then you know

774
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I would walk off camera and it would just be

775
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.559
<v Speaker 1>the video of an empty podium, you know, until somebody

776
00:43:56.639 --> 00:44:00.079
<v Speaker 1>else signed. Well, that quickly evolved into one of the

777
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:06.280
<v Speaker 1>biggest and most intricate and involved broadcast events I've ever worked.

778
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 1>We had you know, six or seven people on the broadcast,

779
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, and all these lights and camera. I don't

780
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>know if you ever attended one of those things, because

781
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.599
<v Speaker 1>a lot of media people came, but it was a

782
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>huge production. Christy Thomas ankered and you know, he interviewed

783
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.360
<v Speaker 1>stoops in Maryland, every coach we could find. And now,

784
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 1>like you said, it's like, oh, by the way, here's

785
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 1>what's happening.

786
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.639
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, like that, it's literally just like I feel

787
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:30.760
<v Speaker 3>like it's just an email in February, like, hey, you

788
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 3>know they they've added maybe one or two guys to

789
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:36.840
<v Speaker 3>the you know, eighteen to twenty five. They signed back

790
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 3>in December, you know what. And I'll I was like

791
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 3>to say, I do kind of miss the one signing

792
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 3>day in February simply because right there was always those

793
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 3>crazy twists and turns of like, well, hey at three pm,

794
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:50.760
<v Speaker 3>and every other member of the tries to sign, but

795
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 3>the superstar, we haven't seen his facts come through. And

796
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe because his mom didn't want to go there or

797
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.880
<v Speaker 3>is there some other school making a laugh that there

798
00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 3>was just so much kind of a circus at in

799
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 3>the you're doing. I really enjoyed all the twists and

800
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 3>turns and drama and like that. Now that's just it's

801
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:09.039
<v Speaker 3>just it's it's very much like, uh, it's cold, rootless efficiency. Now, well,

802
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, everything everybody signed still delivered. It's good to

803
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.559
<v Speaker 3>go a different time.

804
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Back when you were a little fella and we recovering.

805
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Well that's how that's what recruiting was. Like. They would

806
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 1>issue they would fax us uh, or or even hand

807
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:28.920
<v Speaker 1>deliver a mimeographed list of play here's our recruits. Okay, thanks,

808
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and that was it, you know. Uh So, Yeah, it's

809
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of the pendulum has swung back in the other direction.

810
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.679
<v Speaker 1>We're talking with Ryan Black of The Courrier General covers

811
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 1>of football and basketball gats since we started with football,

812
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.280
<v Speaker 1>you are there when Mark Stoops speaks every week and

813
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.159
<v Speaker 1>of late, when he is spoken about how they intend

814
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 1>to do business this coming year, he has made it

815
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.920
<v Speaker 1>very clear you don't even have to read between the

816
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>lines that he wants to get this thing back. Obviously

817
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.199
<v Speaker 1>in terms of wins and losses to wear was but

818
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the way they do business, you know, and I really

819
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>think he made portal mistakes and he made management mistakes

820
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:11.559
<v Speaker 1>with regard to how he ran his team. He also

821
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.519
<v Speaker 1>had some tough breaks with injuries, you know, new coordinator,

822
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:18.159
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. But it sounds like he is gonna

823
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:22.039
<v Speaker 1>put all of his energy into making this the Mark

824
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Stoops program. It was back four or five years ago.

825
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.159
<v Speaker 1>You I get that read, don't you.

826
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think you know. When I kind of did

827
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:35.480
<v Speaker 3>a season interview after last season ended, as you kind

828
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.760
<v Speaker 3>of have mentioned that he's kind of gone, and he's

829
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.119
<v Speaker 3>been pretty open about like, hey, you know, the way

830
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Speaker 3>that we won and that we built this program. It

831
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 3>wasn't flashy. You know, a lot of times it was

832
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.559
<v Speaker 3>like a very you know, run heavy ball, control, pass

833
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 3>enough to Kief Monis and played great defense and hold

834
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.840
<v Speaker 3>on to leads. And certainly that has not been really

835
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.559
<v Speaker 3>the offense they've really tried to put out there, you know,

836
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.599
<v Speaker 3>in the last few years. And so I think it's

837
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of like what you're saying is they returned to

838
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.840
<v Speaker 3>the earlier years when they were still ascending, you know, obviously,

839
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 3>because and then you know, I mean they were in

840
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:08.440
<v Speaker 3>a rough place before he got here, and it took

841
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.199
<v Speaker 3>a few years to get it on track, and then

842
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 3>we know what happened after that. I mean, they had

843
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:16.159
<v Speaker 3>the longest streak of bowl appearances in program history. And

844
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:17.960
<v Speaker 3>I know some people say, well, again, I know it's

845
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 3>a lot easier to make bowls now, but back for fact,

846
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.960
<v Speaker 3>and uh, and I think that, hey, all the matters,

847
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:25.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, Dick, at the end of the day's winning.

848
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 3>So it doesn't matter if you're if you're flashy while

849
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 3>doing if you're losing. Yeah, So it's like as long

850
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:33.239
<v Speaker 3>as you know, you win, that's that's what fans here.

851
00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, people can dismiss the bull streak, but Mars troops

852
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 1>always had at the ready the numbers that backed it up.

853
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.599
<v Speaker 1>And again, if it's that easy, why aren't more schools

854
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.000
<v Speaker 1>doing that? Not even Alabama had a bull run like that.

855
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, you can schedule yourself wins, but you've still

856
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.119
<v Speaker 1>got to win enough to get the ball games. And

857
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 1>not a lot of schools were doing that the way

858
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky was back then. And I know fans got a

859
00:47:58.039 --> 00:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>little restless when they weren't going to some of the

860
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 1>bigger bulls. But what is it three trips now of

861
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 1>the Citrus Bowl. That's not too bad, right, And uh yeah.

862
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, I would just say that. I mean, for

863
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.000
<v Speaker 3>the longest time, you know, the Citrus always have been

864
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 3>considered really the biggest bowl that was not one of

865
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 3>against the Roads Orange Cotton, right. Uh And now of

866
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 3>course even now, I guess say they dropped the name

867
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:22.880
<v Speaker 3>ors come back to the Peach. But it's like it's

868
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:26.000
<v Speaker 3>always been a like the biggest bull payout for the

869
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:28.199
<v Speaker 3>outside of those bowls. I mean, I think like that's

870
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 3>that's nothing, that's Nothing's golf at I mean a Citrus Bowl,

871
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.199
<v Speaker 3>the heck of a heck of a good game if

872
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 3>you're not able to get kind of in the mix

873
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 3>for those kind of traditional kind of January first time games.

874
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Never heard anybody complain about the Citrus Bowl. People kind

875
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:44.400
<v Speaker 1>of began to grumble about the Music City Bowl because

876
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.679
<v Speaker 1>the weather wasn't obviously is great, But I never heard

877
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.760
<v Speaker 1>anybody complain about the Citrus Bowl. We're talking to Ryan

878
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Black of the Courage Journal, covers of football and basketball Cats. Obviously,

879
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 1>line play is going to be the focal point really

880
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 1>every day leading up to and through the season, and

881
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's oversimplifying it Ryan to say that

882
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:06.920
<v Speaker 1>is going to be I think the key to their

883
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 1>success this year. You got a second year with Bush Hampden,

884
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.480
<v Speaker 1>You've got a brand new quarterback, you got new guys

885
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 1>carrying the ball on a backfield, Your star wide receivers

886
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 1>have moved on. But none of that matters if the

887
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.239
<v Speaker 1>old line doesn't do a better job than it has

888
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 1>over the last three years. Do you see it that way?

889
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, I mean, Dick, one hundred percent, I think it.

890
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:29.920
<v Speaker 3>We've we've kind of talked about this before, but at

891
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:31.880
<v Speaker 3>the end of the day. I mean, yeah, you can

892
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.920
<v Speaker 3>have a quarterback or running back, your receiver, you know,

893
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:36.239
<v Speaker 3>who can get the ball in their hands and make

894
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.199
<v Speaker 3>guys miss, but they can't do it every single play

895
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.000
<v Speaker 3>for you know, sixty seventy eighty however many snaps in

896
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 3>a game that they're gonna get. And so you know,

897
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 3>if you don't have guys up front who can just

898
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.960
<v Speaker 3>move the you know, opposing defensive guys out of the way,

899
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 3>you know you're gonna have a long day. And that's

900
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.000
<v Speaker 3>why we saw Kentucky struggle just so mightily on offense

901
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 3>last year, you know, kind of ranking either at the

902
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.360
<v Speaker 3>bottom or among the bottom court courtile of the SEC

903
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.199
<v Speaker 3>and pretty much every every major offensive category. And as

904
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:05.960
<v Speaker 3>you said to me that they say that that it

905
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:06.920
<v Speaker 3>all starts up front.

906
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:09.800
<v Speaker 1>He is Ryan Black covers the wild Cat for the

907
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Career General. We'll come back and talk some basketball in

908
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.199
<v Speaker 1>just a minute here on six thirty w l a P.

909
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back with Chatting with Ryan Black. Heid is the

910
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.000
<v Speaker 1>UK beat writer for the Career Journal. Covers both football

911
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.639
<v Speaker 1>and basketball, and with the football in our rearview mirror,

912
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>let us turn to basketball. What was your responsor your reaction,

913
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I should say, when you had to write about Travis

914
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Perry leaving the program.

915
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.079
<v Speaker 3>Huh, Well, it was certainly a surprise to me, Dick,

916
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, simply because you know, I asked him, you know,

917
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.159
<v Speaker 3>point blank after after the lost in the scene in

918
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Sweet sixteen year that well, first I mentioned I hate

919
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:44.559
<v Speaker 3>that I even have to ask this, you know, the

920
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.159
<v Speaker 3>old days you didn't have to write. But it's like, hey,

921
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:49.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, are do you at this point in time?

922
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:51.920
<v Speaker 3>Are you planning on being back that season? He's like, well,

923
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.119
<v Speaker 3>he's a straight up yet like, of course I'm planning

924
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:57.559
<v Speaker 3>on being back. And so I kind of thought, you know,

925
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:01.480
<v Speaker 3>to myself, Dick, that really, of the guys who would

926
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 3>you know you would think would come back, the two,

927
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 3>for certain would be the two the two Kentucky guys,

928
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.960
<v Speaker 3>the two Kentucky native him and Trent Noah. And so certainly,

929
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:10.960
<v Speaker 3>when I when I found out he was he was

930
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 3>transferring it, it certainly caught me by surprise. But I

931
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 3>guess it just I mean, it's just if we just

932
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:18.840
<v Speaker 3>go back to this all time that it's just the

933
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 3>state of modern college athletics right now is you cannot

934
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 3>bank on anybody saying at any school for the entirety

935
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:26.079
<v Speaker 3>of their career.

936
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.760
<v Speaker 1>No, No, it's a sign. Other times there's no question

937
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:33.320
<v Speaker 1>about that. And if somebody stays somewhere for their entire career,

938
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.639
<v Speaker 1>they might have stayed two or three years only because

939
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.719
<v Speaker 1>they've left early. Are they there for the whole the

940
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:42.920
<v Speaker 1>whole shebang? Uh? But another guy coming back otega Olway,

941
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I got to think you weren't surprised by that, But

942
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.239
<v Speaker 1>you can't blame the guy forgetting all the information that he.

943
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:53.199
<v Speaker 3>Can, right well, I wasn't surprised that he's he's, you know,

944
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.599
<v Speaker 3>coming back. What I would say that I was surprised

945
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 3>about was that that it kind of took as as

946
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.440
<v Speaker 3>long as it did, And if you kind of have

947
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.360
<v Speaker 3>read and seen things, is that it really it came

948
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 3>down to the wire with him in terms of that

949
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 3>that he had made enough progress in the eyes of

950
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:12.280
<v Speaker 3>of NBA talent evaluators that it made it a much

951
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.679
<v Speaker 3>suffer decision for him then originally was thought because I

952
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.079
<v Speaker 3>at least know that, you know, when he when he

953
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:20.039
<v Speaker 3>decided to go through the draft process, it was more

954
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:22.559
<v Speaker 3>kind of like what Jaalen Lowe, his now new teammate,

955
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.280
<v Speaker 3>was more about going there and getting feedback about, hey,

956
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 3>what should I work on in my senior season? It

957
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.440
<v Speaker 3>was and so the fact that it kind of that,

958
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.360
<v Speaker 3>that it came maybe as close to him staying in

959
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.519
<v Speaker 3>the draft as it was, that surprised me. But I think,

960
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:36.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, Dick gaug, you know, you got to look

961
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 3>at now. I mean, Kentucky was what with him coming

962
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:43.519
<v Speaker 3>back essentially the preseason SEC Player of the Year, very

963
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.519
<v Speaker 3>possibly a preseason first team All American and then everything

964
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.239
<v Speaker 3>else they've got on this roster. I mean, Kentucky, you know,

965
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:50.960
<v Speaker 3>you don't have a heck of a team on as

966
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:52.079
<v Speaker 3>we're looking at on paper.

967
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Had he ended that, and of course everything's on paper now,

968
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.239
<v Speaker 1>and you kind of answered my next question, what do

969
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 1>you foresee for him this coming year? And I keep

970
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 1>going back to what Antonio Reeves did his last year

971
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.840
<v Speaker 1>at Kentucky after getting all that info from the scouts,

972
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.559
<v Speaker 1>and he did it within the framework of what Taller

973
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.519
<v Speaker 1>Perry's team was doing that year and what they needed

974
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.400
<v Speaker 1>him to do. I don't see and or take a

975
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.840
<v Speaker 1>away going crazy jacking up as many shots as he can.

976
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's what the pros need to see.

977
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:24.599
<v Speaker 1>From him. You know, I think they probably need to

978
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:27.320
<v Speaker 1>see a better handle and as good as defense as

979
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 1>he can play, and he's pretty good. Uh so, I

980
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:33.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's concerns some might be concerned that he's

981
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna go out and just play for himself. I don't

982
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>think that happens.

983
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.320
<v Speaker 3>What do you think I agree? I mean, I think,

984
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:42.039
<v Speaker 3>as you mentioned Dick, I mean he's already shown, I mean,

985
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 3>he can get to the rim with you know, with

986
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.360
<v Speaker 3>these he as he said, he also tied to the

987
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:48.000
<v Speaker 3>team lead and steals, So I mean he's already a

988
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.360
<v Speaker 3>pretty good defender. I think the two really primary things are,

989
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, showing that he can create for other teammates.

990
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 3>And the number one thing that, because of the way

991
00:53:56.360 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 3>the NBA emphasizes, is more consistency on his three points. Yeah,

992
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.079
<v Speaker 3>if you can lead, and I don't think he'll ever be,

993
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:04.679
<v Speaker 3>you know, on the level of like you kind of

994
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 3>mentioned Antonio Reeves or obviously a couple of the guys

995
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 3>last season who were such incredibly good shooters. But at

996
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:11.960
<v Speaker 3>least if he can make if he can make it

997
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.320
<v Speaker 3>more consistently than he has to this point his college career,

998
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 3>I mean that that really unlocks a lot of things

999
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:18.920
<v Speaker 3>for him because he's kind of got all the other

1000
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.840
<v Speaker 3>tools that you would want for a pro player.

1001
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.199
<v Speaker 1>I've seen Kentucky ranked in the top ten preseason and

1002
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:27.639
<v Speaker 1>it's jugg in just for fun in the top fifteen.

1003
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:33.199
<v Speaker 1>So high expectations, which Mark Pope obviously is known and

1004
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 1>which fans know now are being thrust upon his team,

1005
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:40.559
<v Speaker 1>which is still, for the most part, a brand new roster.

1006
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.840
<v Speaker 1>What do you think of what you've read so far

1007
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 1>from from your national colleagues about what's expected of Kentucky

1008
00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:49.079
<v Speaker 1>this year.

1009
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I think I'm a little surprised a

1010
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.760
<v Speaker 3>few of them have Kentucky ranked a little lower than

1011
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:56.199
<v Speaker 3>I would expect. I feel like I've seen a lot

1012
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.320
<v Speaker 3>of like nine, ten, eleven, twelve rankings with really I

1013
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.719
<v Speaker 3>kind of feel like they seem much closer to the

1014
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:05.920
<v Speaker 3>top five than fifteen. Just from and again, Dick kind

1015
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:07.840
<v Speaker 3>of like that we're literally talking about hypotheticals here. At

1016
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.800
<v Speaker 3>the end of the day, everything play itself out. But

1017
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.119
<v Speaker 3>to me, I just feel like, man, seeing what Mark

1018
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.039
<v Speaker 3>Pope did in year one, overcoming the injuries they did,

1019
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:17.840
<v Speaker 3>get winning some of the games, they did, you know,

1020
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.119
<v Speaker 3>get to the final four teams. I guess I'm a

1021
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 3>little bit prised it doesn't seem like he's getting a

1022
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.000
<v Speaker 3>little more of the benefit of the doubt already heading

1023
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:26.599
<v Speaker 3>into year two. But I don't know if that's part

1024
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 3>of it is there's still people who who still want

1025
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.159
<v Speaker 3>to see more from you know, Mark Pope and his

1026
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:34.599
<v Speaker 3>staff to maybe give them that benefit of the doubt

1027
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 3>that so many other programs already get because of a

1028
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 3>long time, you know, coach who's been in you know,

1029
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:39.360
<v Speaker 3>in place.

1030
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I thought some of Pope's comments were really fascinating when

1031
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.639
<v Speaker 1>he talked about the improvement from years one to two

1032
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.079
<v Speaker 1>for his returning players, and of course he has you know,

1033
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:54.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of an intricate approach offensively, but also for his staff,

1034
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:57.119
<v Speaker 1>which was not just a cookie cutter lift, you know,

1035
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.440
<v Speaker 1>copy and paste from from BYU. He has new assistant coaches.

1036
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:05.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm really curious to see how this team functions this

1037
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:09.159
<v Speaker 1>coming year compared to last because of what Pope said

1038
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:10.960
<v Speaker 1>about year one of year two, It's like, you know,

1039
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:13.719
<v Speaker 1>people always talk about freshman to sophomore year you make

1040
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.159
<v Speaker 1>your biggest jump. It's that That's what it sounded like

1041
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:16.599
<v Speaker 1>to me, you know.

1042
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:19.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and as you said, I mean, the only the

1043
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 3>only person who previously built his staff who came with

1044
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.840
<v Speaker 3>him was with Cody Seeger how he had worked with

1045
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:28.760
<v Speaker 3>with Mark Fox. That Mark Fox was his boss at Georgia,

1046
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:30.519
<v Speaker 3>So a little bit a little bit different kind of

1047
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:33.199
<v Speaker 3>dynamic there. But I think that's honestly what I'm most

1048
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.039
<v Speaker 3>interested to see, you know, Dick is I'm I mean,

1049
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I think we just know, uh, the team's gonna score

1050
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.679
<v Speaker 3>points because the offense, the way that is they are

1051
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:44.400
<v Speaker 3>going to I'm just I'm mostly interested seeing what improvements

1052
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 3>do we see defensively, because you know, there were definitely

1053
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.039
<v Speaker 3>some times last year they were they were rough, they

1054
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.280
<v Speaker 3>were pretty bad. You know, they did show improvement as

1055
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.000
<v Speaker 3>he went on, but I'm kind of curious see how

1056
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:55.840
<v Speaker 3>quickly from the jump can they be better, you know,

1057
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 3>especially with and Aca. What I love one thing I

1058
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:01.880
<v Speaker 3>do love, you know, in college efles, it's gonna get

1059
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:05.000
<v Speaker 3>to play real teams in these exhibitions, and you know,

1060
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:06.960
<v Speaker 3>and I don't I don't. I don't want to take

1061
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.119
<v Speaker 3>away from them playing Georgetown College or Transylvania or whoever.

1062
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:12.559
<v Speaker 3>I know at least that that that that gives those

1063
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.360
<v Speaker 3>guys an experience of playing ROP. But I guess, as

1064
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.519
<v Speaker 3>as a sports writer who's kind of being asked to

1065
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:19.960
<v Speaker 3>make observation by a team, you learn a heck a

1066
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 3>lot more from them playing Purdue and Georgetown University than

1067
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 3>you do from playing you know, like, like I said,

1068
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:28.360
<v Speaker 3>some of these smaller schools that are in state. So well,

1069
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:29.760
<v Speaker 3>he keeps I think that's a little bit of.

1070
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 1>Yet he keeps pushing for forty regular season games, So

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00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:36.639
<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe this is a start, but he's not

1072
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.679
<v Speaker 1>afraid to share that opinion. I'll let you go with this.

1073
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:43.679
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a fun season. Uh, the schedule

1074
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.920
<v Speaker 1>is going to be really incredibly fun. I think I

1075
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:48.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know about you, but I can't wait for that

1076
00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta matchup with Saint John's.

1077
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:51.039
<v Speaker 8>Oh.

1078
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.239
<v Speaker 3>I think, like you said, there's some great, great, great,

1079
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.480
<v Speaker 3>great great, you know matchup, And of course we don't

1080
00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.599
<v Speaker 3>even know what the SEC scipts gonna be yet, but

1081
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.119
<v Speaker 3>may and you know, I think of all the games

1082
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:04.000
<v Speaker 3>they've got that we know of right now, that the

1083
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:06.719
<v Speaker 3>one that get the circle is the one against rich

1084
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 3>Tino Saint John's Atlant at the CBS Sports class, that

1085
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:12.480
<v Speaker 3>that could be a bar burner of a game. Hen't

1086
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:13.079
<v Speaker 3>wait for that one.

1087
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too, And when it happens, Ryan Black will

1088
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:19.519
<v Speaker 1>be there covering, presumably for the Courier Journal. He is

1089
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.679
<v Speaker 1>the beat writer for the CJ, cover in the football

1090
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.239
<v Speaker 1>and basketball cats. Thank you, Sarah, and we'll talk to you.

1091
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm Sue. I'm sure soon this summer. But have a

1092
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:27.400
<v Speaker 1>good one.

1093
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Hey, thanks so much having me on. Dick always enjoyed.

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00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Up Next, Eastern Kentucky has a new head baseball coach.

1095
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.239
<v Speaker 1>He is one of the winningest coaches in all of

1096
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:39.000
<v Speaker 1>college baseball, and he was part of the greatest story

1097
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I think in college baseball a couple of years ago

1098
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.239
<v Speaker 1>about a small college team's run to the World Series

1099
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 1>championship game after its school had shut its doors. Jan Weisberg,

1100
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.519
<v Speaker 1>deformer Kentucky Wildcat. We'll hear from him and Keith Madison

1101
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:55.199
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the break here on six

1102
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:56.960
<v Speaker 1>point thirty WLAP.

1103
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:03.280
<v Speaker 7>Please welcome the night head coach of EKU Baseball, Jan Weisberg.

1104
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:08.480
<v Speaker 1>That's what it sounded like when EKU Athletics director Kyle Moss,

1105
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 1>himself formerly a UK staffer, introduced eku's new head baseball

1106
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.440
<v Speaker 1>coach Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider. You heard

1107
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:19.199
<v Speaker 1>a few days ago if you follow college baseball at all,

1108
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.440
<v Speaker 1>that Jan Weisberg was named the new head coach at

1109
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Eastern Kentucky. The colonel's really struggled this past year with

1110
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:28.639
<v Speaker 1>the first year head coach in a little bit over,

1111
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.639
<v Speaker 1>he said, very likely, and they bring in Jan, who

1112
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:35.400
<v Speaker 1>was a former UK Wildcat as a player and as

1113
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:39.159
<v Speaker 1>an assistant coach to Keith Madison. But that's not how

1114
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:43.119
<v Speaker 1>he became known nationally. Jan was an assistant in UK.

1115
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.679
<v Speaker 1>Then he went down the street and coached I think

1116
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.960
<v Speaker 1>for a year at Transylvania and then left Transie and

1117
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:52.960
<v Speaker 1>eventually ended up at Birmingham Southern, which is a Division

1118
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:56.440
<v Speaker 1>three school, or should I say was a Division three

1119
00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.800
<v Speaker 1>school in Birmingham, Alabama. The athletic stra at the time

1120
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:05.360
<v Speaker 1>was Joe Dean Junior. You know him as first of all,

1121
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:07.679
<v Speaker 1>the son of Joe Dean, the guy who evented stringing music.

1122
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:13.360
<v Speaker 1>But Joe Dean Junior became a really exceptional broadcaster. I

1123
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:16.599
<v Speaker 1>worked with him many many years at the SEC Tournament

1124
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:19.480
<v Speaker 1>for the SEC Radio Network, but known primarily for TV

1125
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.639
<v Speaker 1>and of course once a game, once a game, as

1126
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.639
<v Speaker 1>an homage to his late father. He would yell string

1127
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.800
<v Speaker 1>music in whatever city he was in Nashville, Tennessee or whatever, Lexington, Kentucky.

1128
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Joe became a good buddy. Sadly he is struggling with

1129
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:36.559
<v Speaker 1>his health right now, so best thoughts to to Joe.

1130
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 1>But he made a great move when he hired Jan Weisberg,

1131
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:45.119
<v Speaker 1>and he remained the head coach at Birmingham Southern for

1132
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:48.760
<v Speaker 1>seventeen years. He won five hundred and forty four games,

1133
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:53.280
<v Speaker 1>fourteen conference titles, nine regionals, three trips to the Supers,

1134
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:57.559
<v Speaker 1>two College World Series, fourth winning his baseball team in

1135
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.239
<v Speaker 1>D three during the twenty tenths, and he would still

1136
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:04.159
<v Speaker 1>be there except for the fact that Birmingham Southern closed,

1137
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:08.360
<v Speaker 1>not just shutting down athletics, it closed. The school just

1138
01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:10.719
<v Speaker 1>ran out of money. I mean, that's where we are

1139
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:14.400
<v Speaker 1>in this day and age. And you might remember the

1140
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:19.440
<v Speaker 1>story because Birmingham Southern, you know, just such a tough

1141
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.039
<v Speaker 1>time for anybody, their students, faculty, staff, and of course

1142
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:27.519
<v Speaker 1>the athletes. And the last athletes standing that this is

1143
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:31.559
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four were the baseball players. They were in

1144
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:36.480
<v Speaker 1>postseason play. Well, they started to win and win and

1145
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like they didn't want it to end. Obviously, nobody

1146
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:42.480
<v Speaker 1>does when you're playing in the tournament, but this was unprecedented.

1147
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.000
<v Speaker 1>This was a team that was trying to keep the

1148
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.840
<v Speaker 1>school's name alive at least for another week or two,

1149
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:52.079
<v Speaker 1>or month or whatever. And Birmingham Southern won its way

1150
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:58.000
<v Speaker 1>to the championship game of the D three World Series. Sadly,

1151
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the Panthers lost to Wisconsin Whitewater in the finale. But

1152
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Jan Weisberg, the former Wildcat, talked about that. You know,

1153
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:11.000
<v Speaker 1>he talked about his vision and his philosophy, and he

1154
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:13.880
<v Speaker 1>thanked everybody and introduced his family. He did a great job,

1155
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 1>spoke for about twenty minutes, but it was really interesting

1156
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:21.000
<v Speaker 1>when he got to the part about what it was

1157
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:25.280
<v Speaker 1>like as the head coach to be leading his team

1158
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:27.239
<v Speaker 1>through that really difficult time.

1159
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.159
<v Speaker 9>It was the darkest time for a lot of our

1160
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:31.639
<v Speaker 9>players' lives, and it was the hardest thing I've ever

1161
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:33.599
<v Speaker 9>done in coaching, was guide these young men through this

1162
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:36.320
<v Speaker 9>pain and this uncertainty. And in this day and age

1163
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:38.840
<v Speaker 9>where they could just thought about themselves and bailed and said, man,

1164
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Speaker 9>what's next for me? Yet they dove into each other

1165
01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:43.599
<v Speaker 9>and guiding them through that and getting him to the

1166
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:44.800
<v Speaker 9>World Series was probably.

1167
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 8>The most satisfying thing that I did.

1168
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:50.840
<v Speaker 9>The most rewarding thing as a coach was the last

1169
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:56.079
<v Speaker 9>news about Birmingham Southern. We had dealt with negativity, sadness, pain,

1170
01:02:56.599 --> 01:03:00.360
<v Speaker 9>the last graduation, the last class, the door shutting, and

1171
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.239
<v Speaker 9>we're all playing in the World Series, and the national

1172
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.440
<v Speaker 9>media and the local media the last light shined on

1173
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.360
<v Speaker 9>Birmingham Southern. It was a positive light.

1174
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:10.400
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of a story that flew under the

1175
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:12.719
<v Speaker 1>radar that year, but I thought it was one of

1176
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the best. Yeah, I'm a big college baseball fan. I

1177
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:18.199
<v Speaker 1>knew Jan a little bit. He actually finally remembered me.

1178
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:20.519
<v Speaker 1>He hadn't seen me in years when he saw me,

1179
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and the last time he saw me, i'd had my beard.

1180
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.159
<v Speaker 1>You know. He's one of the few people left who

1181
01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:28.239
<v Speaker 1>from my past still haven't seen me. I shaved it

1182
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.079
<v Speaker 1>off in twenty oh seven. But if I bump into

1183
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.920
<v Speaker 1>somebody I haven't seen since around that they don't recognize me.

1184
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:36.039
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of fun anyway. And Jane said, I hear

1185
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:40.559
<v Speaker 1>you all the time because he watches the Kentucky games

1186
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:44.679
<v Speaker 1>on the SEC streaming channel with yours truly and Doug Flynn,

1187
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:47.159
<v Speaker 1>and we're only on camera for like the first you know,

1188
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:50.760
<v Speaker 1>fifteen seconds. It's really criminal. I know we should be

1189
01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:53.119
<v Speaker 1>on camera more. I realize that, and I agree with you.

1190
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:56.719
<v Speaker 1>But anyhow, that's it. But when you tune in and

1191
01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you listen and we identify ourselves once in a while,

1192
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Jan follows the Wildcats of course, and why not because

1193
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:07.000
<v Speaker 1>he played here. He was from California. I forgot about

1194
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:11.920
<v Speaker 1>that and went to Juco and then Keith Madison found

1195
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 1>him and brought him to UK. He was a first

1196
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.679
<v Speaker 1>baseman and a catcher. We'll hear from Coach in just

1197
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 1>a moment. But it was really interesting when Jan talked

1198
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.199
<v Speaker 1>about what got him into coaching. He was actually working

1199
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.559
<v Speaker 1>in a restaurant going to graduate. He had one more

1200
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:32.440
<v Speaker 1>year academically. It was out of time athletically, but was

1201
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:34.840
<v Speaker 1>working on his degree in finance or something. It was

1202
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:36.960
<v Speaker 1>going to be a banker or something, and he was

1203
01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:38.960
<v Speaker 1>working at a restaurant here in Lexington and got a

1204
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.679
<v Speaker 1>call from Keith Madison.

1205
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.719
<v Speaker 9>I had a year to finish school after I finished

1206
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.760
<v Speaker 9>playing for Coach up in Lexington, and I think it

1207
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:50.639
<v Speaker 9>was flipping burgers and cooking hot browns at Dchase while

1208
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:54.239
<v Speaker 9>I was paying for school and going on banking interviews

1209
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:55.840
<v Speaker 9>and just thinking I'm going to go back to California.

1210
01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:56.840
<v Speaker 8>I'm to get back into banking.

1211
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:58.840
<v Speaker 9>And he just called me one day and he said, man,

1212
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.719
<v Speaker 9>I'd really like to have you come out next semester.

1213
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:02.960
<v Speaker 9>And I was like, sure, that'll help bridge the gap.

1214
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:04.599
<v Speaker 9>And I thought I would just do it for a semester,

1215
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:06.000
<v Speaker 9>and he hooked me.

1216
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:07.639
<v Speaker 8>The passion was there.

1217
01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:09.880
<v Speaker 9>It was instant that I knew this is what I

1218
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:11.960
<v Speaker 9>want to do the rest of my life. And then

1219
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:13.880
<v Speaker 9>he put up with a young coach and his faults,

1220
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:15.920
<v Speaker 9>and he stuck with me and it was a pleasure

1221
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.360
<v Speaker 9>coach to serve you until he retired in two thousand

1222
01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:18.760
<v Speaker 9>and three.

1223
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:19.639
<v Speaker 8>I love you.

1224
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:22.719
<v Speaker 1>How cool is that? I mean, you're going back to

1225
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:26.039
<v Speaker 1>the early nineties. But some of you out there may

1226
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:30.440
<v Speaker 1>have dined at T Chase on something prepared by now

1227
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the guy who's the head coach at Eastern Kentucky University.

1228
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Speaker 1>And it took a phone call from Keith Madison to

1229
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:39.599
<v Speaker 1>bring him back into the UK family, get him into coaching,

1230
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and he has been wildly successful. He's one of the

1231
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.440
<v Speaker 1>winningest coaches if you look at all three levels in

1232
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:49.000
<v Speaker 1>all of college baseball. And now he's the new head

1233
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.639
<v Speaker 1>coach at EKU, and he again he explained a lot

1234
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:55.440
<v Speaker 1>of his philosophies.

1235
01:05:55.039 --> 01:06:01.239
<v Speaker 9>What makes certain organizations thrive, what makes some survive, and

1236
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:02.280
<v Speaker 9>what makes them fail.

1237
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:03.280
<v Speaker 8>And I think.

1238
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:06.360
<v Speaker 9>Ultimately, as a leader, our job is to provide clarity

1239
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.360
<v Speaker 9>and vision, and then it's to set up processes in

1240
01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:13.159
<v Speaker 9>place that make that vision and that mission reality. But

1241
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:16.320
<v Speaker 9>then the most important thing is to surround yourself with

1242
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:22.079
<v Speaker 9>great people, whether it's players, support staff, assistant coaches. But

1243
01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:23.960
<v Speaker 9>surround yourself with great people.

1244
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Bingo. That is exactly what the most successful coaches do.

1245
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Some coaches, very few are good enough to overcome hiring mistakes.

1246
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Most aren't. And I look back at coaches like Rich Brooks,

1247
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.159
<v Speaker 1>who it seemed like every year would lose an assistant

1248
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<v Speaker 1>coach right because they would get a job that was

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01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.639
<v Speaker 1>better than where they were and upgrade basically, which is

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<v Speaker 1>how it should happen if the guy's any good at all.

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<v Speaker 1>But Rich would end up hiring someone as good or better.

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<v Speaker 1>I always felt like Tubby Smith's a riginal staff at UK,

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01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:04.199
<v Speaker 1>and Cameron Mills has backed me up on this was

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01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:07.840
<v Speaker 1>really really good, and when some of those guys left,

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01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:12.199
<v Speaker 1>premarily Mike Sutton, things just began to sag. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the best examples of that, believe

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<v Speaker 1>it or I was Rick Patino at Louisville for a

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<v Speaker 1>while there. He had some assistant coaches and weren't doing

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01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:24.280
<v Speaker 1>him any favors, and it was one assistant coach down

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01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:26.360
<v Speaker 1>the road who ultimately got him in trouble with that

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01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:28.440
<v Speaker 1>FBI sting and all that. I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that, but you got to hire good people, and

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Madison has done that. Nick Menngione has had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of coaches come and go off his staff, and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like he settled in to a pretty good stab.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just thought that was interesting when Jan brought

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<v Speaker 1>that up yesterday, and finally he got into and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hear from Jan and Keith Madison here after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>But to me, one of the most interesting things he

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<v Speaker 1>said was it was about his coaching philosophy and how

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01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.199
<v Speaker 1>he kind of had to change it and he realized

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01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:09.239
<v Speaker 1>that this was born of the way Keith Madison coached players.

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01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:12.320
<v Speaker 1>And I always wonder about coaches, and they're out there.

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01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:15.159
<v Speaker 1>One of them is a US senator right now, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get into that, but who treat players

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01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:22.439
<v Speaker 1>strictly as though they're commodities. And I bring up that

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<v Speaker 1>said senator used to coach at Auburn because one of

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01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:30.119
<v Speaker 1>his former players talked about how he had a meeting

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01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.880
<v Speaker 1>with him one morning and they talked about that summer

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01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.560
<v Speaker 1>work as summer workouts, that upcoming season, this and that,

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01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and then he's in his car later that day and

1282
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:42.079
<v Speaker 1>here's on the radio that he the player has left

1283
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the team and turn up the coach needed a scholarship,

1284
01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and they're out there. Coaches like that

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01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:53.880
<v Speaker 1>are out there because they treat athletes as commodities. Now,

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01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:56.920
<v Speaker 1>you can't keep everybody. Mark Stoops has had guys come

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01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:02.279
<v Speaker 1>and go. I get that, but what happens to those guys?

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01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:05.399
<v Speaker 1>Do you just cut them loose and ignore them or

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01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:07.640
<v Speaker 1>do you cut them loose at all? There are some

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01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:10.159
<v Speaker 1>coaches Seam Newton used to say, you got to eat

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01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.800
<v Speaker 1>your mistakes when it comes to scholarships. You sign a

1292
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:16.560
<v Speaker 1>player he or she is not very good, seem Newton

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01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:19.439
<v Speaker 1>believe you got to eat it. Seam was big on

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01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:23.159
<v Speaker 1>doing the right thing, you know, and some people think

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01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:26.319
<v Speaker 1>that that's kind of a milk toast Pollyanna way to

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01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:29.479
<v Speaker 1>do business. Ultimately in the long run, though, it is

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01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:31.439
<v Speaker 1>the right thing. But Jan talked about that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of made me sit up straight.

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<v Speaker 9>When I start to look at players or Chase Wins

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01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.439
<v Speaker 9>or look at players just for what can they do

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01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:42.239
<v Speaker 9>for me, that's when it's a reminder of all these

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01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.800
<v Speaker 9>guys that turned my life around, that impacted my life.

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<v Speaker 8>It's more than that. It can't just be transactional. What

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01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:50.680
<v Speaker 8>can you do for me? You can have success in

1305
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:53.279
<v Speaker 8>the short term, but you people won't go to bat

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01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:53.600
<v Speaker 8>for you.

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01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.439
<v Speaker 9>They won't fight for adversity for you unless they know

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01:09:56.479 --> 01:09:59.520
<v Speaker 9>it's relational. If it's purely transactional. If you could do

1309
01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:00.359
<v Speaker 9>something for for me.

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<v Speaker 8>Great, If you don't get out of here, this is

1311
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:03.239
<v Speaker 8>not it.

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<v Speaker 9>And all those guys and what they did in my

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01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:07.119
<v Speaker 9>life just reminds me of that, And I thank him

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01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:08.000
<v Speaker 9>most of all for that.

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01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:10.279
<v Speaker 1>And again he got that from Keith Madison. We hear

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<v Speaker 1>more about that on the other side of the break

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<v Speaker 1>here on the Big Blue Sider six thirty WLAP. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Big Blues Cider final segment of our show,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about Jan Weisberg, the new head coach at EKU,

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01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:25.039
<v Speaker 1>formerly a baseball Wildcat player and assistant coach, and again

1321
01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:27.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the winningest coaches in the country. It was

1322
01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:29.800
<v Speaker 1>at the D three level for the most part. Also

1323
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:33.239
<v Speaker 1>coached the year at Baldosta, coached at Traansy as a

1324
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:37.560
<v Speaker 1>head coach. But that great story about Birmingham Southern, which

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01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:42.960
<v Speaker 1>had shuddered the institution. It had closed the entire school,

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01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:46.159
<v Speaker 1>but the baseball team just kept winning in the College

1327
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:48.880
<v Speaker 1>World Series, got to the championship game but lost to

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01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin Whitewater. So Jan was on the move again. And

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01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:56.039
<v Speaker 1>now he's back in Central Kentucky and I and some

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01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:58.439
<v Speaker 1>other reporters had a chance to talk to him after

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01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:00.479
<v Speaker 1>his news conference. Here's part of our conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>Very excited professionally.

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01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:07.359
<v Speaker 9>This offers great opportunity and a great challenge, which I enjoy.

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01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:12.079
<v Speaker 9>But getting back to one where a lot of family

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01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:14.560
<v Speaker 9>and friends are is really good.

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01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:16.800
<v Speaker 8>And we felt good about the decision to listen.

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01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.760
<v Speaker 9>I did, but you know, in the twenty four hours

1338
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:22.840
<v Speaker 9>after it was announced, I had no idea what we

1339
01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:24.880
<v Speaker 9>would get with all the former players that had reached

1340
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.399
<v Speaker 9>out and just people in Lexington in this area.

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01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:29.159
<v Speaker 8>So no, we're excited as heck to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of the most challenging times for college

1343
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:37.119
<v Speaker 1>sports with the house settlement, the portal nil. What's it

1344
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:38.720
<v Speaker 1>like being in the middle of that, just wanting to

1345
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:39.560
<v Speaker 1>coach baseball?

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01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:40.920
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I'll be honest with you.

1347
01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:44.359
<v Speaker 9>And when I took the Valdosta State job, I turned

1348
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.760
<v Speaker 9>down a couple of Division One opportunities and everybody thought

1349
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:49.159
<v Speaker 9>it was crazy, you know, but I said, here's the

1350
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.520
<v Speaker 9>deal is, I can make a regional every year.

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01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:53.199
<v Speaker 8>Probably create a program.

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01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:54.600
<v Speaker 9>In my mind it'll be on to the top ten

1353
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:56.840
<v Speaker 9>in the country, and I don't have to mess with that.

1354
01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:00.960
<v Speaker 9>But when this opportunity came up, it was worth it

1355
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.039
<v Speaker 9>to get back in that. And I think the biggest

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01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:06.800
<v Speaker 9>thing is just like with our players, you know, within

1357
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:08.760
<v Speaker 9>a game, it's not about what happens to you.

1358
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:10.439
<v Speaker 8>It's about what are we going to do moving forward?

1359
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:13.359
<v Speaker 9>And I do hear so many coaches that all they

1360
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:14.399
<v Speaker 9>do is complain about it.

1361
01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:15.760
<v Speaker 8>Well, complaining is not a tactic.

1362
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:18.439
<v Speaker 9>And as much as I may not like it and

1363
01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:21.680
<v Speaker 9>I wish it wasn't here, to some extent, you have

1364
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:24.520
<v Speaker 9>to embrace it and say, Okay, within this system, how

1365
01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:26.920
<v Speaker 9>can we make it work? So it might mean, you know,

1366
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:30.600
<v Speaker 9>recruiting guys now with even being open and honest of

1367
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:33.239
<v Speaker 9>saying yes, if you really blow up and have a

1368
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:35.760
<v Speaker 9>talent to go play at the next level, higher than

1369
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:37.640
<v Speaker 9>this and possibly make some money.

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01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:39.039
<v Speaker 8>Then we'd be open to that.

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01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:42.239
<v Speaker 9>But I think the coaches that fight that they forget

1372
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:44.960
<v Speaker 9>about development. You know, I want our guys, if they

1373
01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:48.239
<v Speaker 9>left here after two years, to still consider this home.

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01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:50.640
<v Speaker 9>And I think we'll create a culture where it will

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01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:53.039
<v Speaker 9>not be easy for them to leave. But if they do,

1376
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:54.600
<v Speaker 9>I don't want it to be one, you know, just

1377
01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:57.000
<v Speaker 9>pay goodbye. We're still going to invest in those guys

1378
01:12:57.039 --> 01:12:58.600
<v Speaker 9>and we're still going to grow them. And I think

1379
01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:01.439
<v Speaker 9>if you embrace it like that, it can be okay. Jane,

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01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:04.159
<v Speaker 9>how much does it help you You've been in Trancy, Yeah,

1381
01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:05.000
<v Speaker 9>you've been at UK.

1382
01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:06.800
<v Speaker 8>You know a lot of the high schools in the

1383
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:08.600
<v Speaker 8>areas of around. How much does that help you here?

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01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:11.800
<v Speaker 9>I think it really helps because, you know, especially with

1385
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:14.119
<v Speaker 9>the house settlement and all that you're talking about, if

1386
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.600
<v Speaker 9>they're going to go to thirty four, that a lot

1387
01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.600
<v Speaker 9>of those kids that we used to develop, say it's

1388
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:21.720
<v Speaker 9>a picture that's throwing, you know, eighty seven to ninety

1389
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:23.520
<v Speaker 9>miles an hour, but he's not quite ready.

1390
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:26.600
<v Speaker 8>You know. Those are the guys now that have two choices.

1391
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:28.680
<v Speaker 9>Am I going to go to junior college or am

1392
01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:31.239
<v Speaker 9>I going to go somewhere that is going to development?

1393
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:35.239
<v Speaker 9>And those connections in high school, you know, are more important.

1394
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:37.159
<v Speaker 9>You know, the last few years maybe it's been less

1395
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.960
<v Speaker 9>because we saw physicality.

1396
01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:41.319
<v Speaker 8>And that's so important. It's like, we'll go get the

1397
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:42.159
<v Speaker 8>junior college guy.

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01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.000
<v Speaker 9>But no, first and foremost, we'll be finding those guys

1399
01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:48.199
<v Speaker 9>and that we can develop because I believe in player development.

1400
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.199
<v Speaker 9>At a place like this, we don't have a luxury

1401
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:51.920
<v Speaker 9>to give someone one hundred thousand dollars and you're a

1402
01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:54.399
<v Speaker 9>proven player, and it doesn't scare me because I know

1403
01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:55.439
<v Speaker 9>that we can develop.

1404
01:13:55.279 --> 01:13:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Those You could probably talk all night on this topic.

1405
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.520
<v Speaker 1>But what did you learn from Keith Madison as a

1406
01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:04.960
<v Speaker 1>player as an assistant? That's that you carried and that

1407
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:05.800
<v Speaker 1>helps you today.

1408
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:07.640
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and I'll be honest with you.

1409
01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:09.840
<v Speaker 9>The biggest lessons that I learned from coach I didn't

1410
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:14.960
<v Speaker 9>get until I became a head coach. They were as

1411
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:17.840
<v Speaker 9>I sat in that office, and I would hear him

1412
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:21.039
<v Speaker 9>talk about, you know, developing the whole person, and and

1413
01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:23.359
<v Speaker 9>he never would just cut someone and let him go

1414
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:26.840
<v Speaker 9>because his philosophy was I invested in that guy.

1415
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:27.560
<v Speaker 8>That's my fault.

1416
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:31.119
<v Speaker 9>But but once I became a head coach, and I

1417
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:33.439
<v Speaker 9>caught myself, you know, just looking at it as what

1418
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:34.239
<v Speaker 9>can this guy do for me?

1419
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:35.319
<v Speaker 8>What can this guy do for me?

1420
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.800
<v Speaker 9>And then my first graduating class, I had a lot

1421
01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.239
<v Speaker 9>of I wish I had I wish I had spent

1422
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:43.039
<v Speaker 9>more time with that kid. I wish I would have

1423
01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:44.680
<v Speaker 9>helped him, you know, figure out what he wanted to

1424
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:47.520
<v Speaker 9>do after graduation. And that's when it all started coming

1425
01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:49.479
<v Speaker 9>back to me of oh, you know, I didn't even know.

1426
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:51.479
<v Speaker 9>It's like Yoda, right, I didn't even know it, and

1427
01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:53.880
<v Speaker 9>he's he's working on me here. So it's probably later,

1428
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:55.359
<v Speaker 9>but it's a huge impact.

1429
01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:59.640
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, what are you most excited to teach these boys

1430
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:00.000
<v Speaker 8>this year?

1431
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:05.119
<v Speaker 9>I think that the the most thing I'm most excited

1432
01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:08.359
<v Speaker 9>about teaching these guys is probably the fun in the

1433
01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:11.760
<v Speaker 9>pursuit of not being able to say, you know, our

1434
01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:16.159
<v Speaker 9>goals are extremely high and dive into enjoying like what

1435
01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:18.479
<v Speaker 9>it takes to get there. And it's not just are

1436
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.640
<v Speaker 9>we excited after a win, but it's excited after a

1437
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:22.439
<v Speaker 9>really hard practice because we know that we put that

1438
01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:24.399
<v Speaker 9>money in the bank, right and we've invested in it.

1439
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:26.199
<v Speaker 8>And I think that's going to be the funnest thing

1440
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:26.920
<v Speaker 8>always is.

1441
01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:28.720
<v Speaker 9>You know, I had the team of Valdosta State for

1442
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.279
<v Speaker 9>one year and we started two and eight, we finished

1443
01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:33.560
<v Speaker 9>twenty eight and twelve and they finally got it.

1444
01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:36.359
<v Speaker 8>You know, it's not just the wins, but it's everything

1445
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:38.600
<v Speaker 8>that we do and it's kind of how to attack

1446
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:40.439
<v Speaker 8>the journey, and that's what's that's probably going to be

1447
01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:40.880
<v Speaker 8>the funnest.

1448
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Lots of Eka you administrators there, current players aren't that

1449
01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:50.319
<v Speaker 1>many right now, and friends, family, and of course the

1450
01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:54.039
<v Speaker 1>mentor Keith Madison, part of the chain gang here and

1451
01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:57.079
<v Speaker 1>one of our guests frequently here in the garage for

1452
01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:00.199
<v Speaker 1>the Big Blue Cider. And Weisberg of course play aid

1453
01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:03.800
<v Speaker 1>for Keith and coached for Keith, and uh he's the

1454
01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:06.079
<v Speaker 1>one who broke the news of the chain gang when

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01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Jan was hired. You texted the text chain the night

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<v Speaker 1>Jan got the job. And you're biased, I know, but

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01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:13.960
<v Speaker 1>why was it such a great hire.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, first of all, he's a winner on and off

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01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:21.239
<v Speaker 10>the field. You know, he's a proven winner on the field.

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01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:26.439
<v Speaker 10>He's won numerous conference championships and he's been to the

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01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:33.600
<v Speaker 10>Division III World Series twice. And then at Valdosta State,

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01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:38.000
<v Speaker 10>he was already continuing a great tradition there and had

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01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.760
<v Speaker 10>a good year this year. And I just think that

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01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:44.119
<v Speaker 10>he is he's he's got the whole package, you know,

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01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:49.800
<v Speaker 10>he's he's he's a phenomenal leader. He's a very knowledgeable

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01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:55.560
<v Speaker 10>baseball man. Uh, and he knows every aspect of the game.

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<v Speaker 10>I remember, Uh, you may and Dick, you may remember

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01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:03.439
<v Speaker 10>Iam van Landingham. Yeah, that pitched for us, pitched a big.

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<v Speaker 1>Game up with the longest name in a major league.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, well, he and Jan were friends, and of course

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01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:11.720
<v Speaker 10>Jan was a catcher first basement, and I spent a

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01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.319
<v Speaker 10>lot of time with Billy. We called him back then

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01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:16.039
<v Speaker 10>and we could not get.

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<v Speaker 1>Him to throw strikes.

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<v Speaker 10>And I said, I told him one of my assistants,

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01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:22.720
<v Speaker 10>I said, I've tried everything, and I know, take him

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01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:25.399
<v Speaker 10>for a while. He tried everything he knew and finally,

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01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:28.479
<v Speaker 10>even though Jan was a player, we said, Jenny's all yours.

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01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:31.720
<v Speaker 10>Even as a college player. He had a gift of

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01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:35.279
<v Speaker 10>working with pitchers, but he's also really good hitter.

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01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:38.640
<v Speaker 1>He talked about how he was flipping burgers at the

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01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Shay's restaurant, and you reached out to him and said,

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01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:44.039
<v Speaker 1>you need to be an assistant coach here. What did

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01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:46.560
<v Speaker 1>you see in him? Did you see that knowledge in

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01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:47.479
<v Speaker 1>him when he was playing?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I just the way he handled pitchers and a bullpen.

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01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:52.439
<v Speaker 10>You know. I would spend a lot of time with

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01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:54.479
<v Speaker 10>those pictures in a bullpen, and he was right there

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01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:58.039
<v Speaker 10>with me, and the insights that he had and just

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01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:01.760
<v Speaker 10>the way his brain works. He's a very smart guy. Yeah,

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01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:05.880
<v Speaker 10>and so he just picked up things really fast, and

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01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:11.239
<v Speaker 10>I thought, man, he's flipping burgers waiting for his next journey,

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01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:13.840
<v Speaker 10>and he needs to be on a baseball field. And

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01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:16.760
<v Speaker 10>so that's how that worked out. But I'm sure glad

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01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:18.840
<v Speaker 10>he did because he helped me a lot over those many.

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01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Years mentioned earlier. Kyle Moch is a former UK staffer.

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01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:25.640
<v Speaker 1>He was an assistant ad under Mitch Barnhardt. I ended

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01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:27.439
<v Speaker 1>up at U of L for a while. Then Missouri

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01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:31.000
<v Speaker 1>State came back not too long ago to Central Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like Jan and now the ad at Eku.

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01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:40.279
<v Speaker 7>Really excited for us Eku the community. Jane's a good person,

1502
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:42.840
<v Speaker 7>he's a good baseball coach, and I think he's going

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01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.560
<v Speaker 7>to really resonate with everybody in this community, in this area.

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01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:47.720
<v Speaker 7>So just really happy to have him back, and I

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01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:50.199
<v Speaker 7>think he's happy to be back, and his family certainly.

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01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Is happy to be back. I'm sure you got a

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01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:54.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of calls and resumes. Why was he the guy?

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01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:58.079
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I you know, when these situations happen, you kind

1509
01:18:58.079 --> 01:18:59.800
<v Speaker 7>of have a guy in mind. It may not work

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01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:02.000
<v Speaker 7>out out the way you wanted to, but we did

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01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:04.720
<v Speaker 7>have a lot of interest. But Jan was someone that

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01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:09.079
<v Speaker 7>I thought of first, and I'm happy that it worked

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01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:10.720
<v Speaker 7>out because it probably would have taken a little bit

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01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:12.800
<v Speaker 7>longer if it didn't. But he was kind of my

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01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:13.960
<v Speaker 7>guy from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that, with all due respect, this is probably

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01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:19.479
<v Speaker 1>the most we've talked about EKU baseball. On the Big

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01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Bloom side. We had broadcasts many games involving UK and

1519
01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:26.960
<v Speaker 1>EKU baseball, but just a great story with Jan Weisberg

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01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:29.439
<v Speaker 1>coming back in the fact that he led that Birmingham

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01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Southern team to the World Series final game and now

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<v Speaker 1>a former Wildcat is the head coach at EKU. That'll

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01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:38.680
<v Speaker 1>do it. Thanks to my guests, to all the folks

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01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:42.640
<v Speaker 1>over at dKu, to Ryan Black, Darryl Bird that said

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01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:43.760
<v Speaker 1>good night from the garage.

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<v Speaker 5>And Lexington wants an orange Whip, Orange Whip, Orange Whip

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01:19:48.880 --> 01:20:21.520
<v Speaker 5>three orange whip statue.

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<v Speaker 6>Tact tact.

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<v Speaker 5>Anything one.

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<v Speaker 6>Touching the

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<v Speaker 5>Tops from typing donating to the
