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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here for part two of

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our comparison between Highlander and Flash Gordon. I am in

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sword and Jason is in his skin tight T shirt

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with his own name across the front of it.

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jump into production for these two movies. Great, okay, So

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to start off with flash, Gordon, you have Clytis and

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Ming talking to each other. I just signed bold about

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this planet called.

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Speaker 2: An obscure body in the s Case system, your majesty.

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The inhabitants refer to it as the planet.

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Speaker 1: Earth, Earth, and they say Earth like they've never heard

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Like it's like to state like, I've never heard of this,

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And then three seconds later he's pressing a button that

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literally says earthquake?

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Speaker 2: What what? Hey?

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Speaker 1: How did you never hear of this? And you've got

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a button that has it?

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Speaker 2: Right, there's the same reason they speak English in another universe,

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and just that is the way it works.

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Speaker 1: And he has a button this is typhoon, and a

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button that says hurricane. That's one button, Hey, that is one,

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Speaker 2: You haven't even talked about. The button that says hot hail.

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Speaker 1: Hot hale. You know hal, that's hot.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's because it's a lot scarier than cold hal,

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you know, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched this with Caleb, Like I said, it

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was just like, what is hot hail? I don't know?

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Son fire and broomstone, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal. Hot hail is debris from the moon

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that's off by twelve degrees. All right, So the beginning, Yes,

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you have the clitus on board. What plaything do you

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have to offer me today? And then you have that

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pump and Queen and when it pounds in the flash,

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I'm like, let's freaking go, because Queen can make some

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freaking great intro songs. But here's one of the things

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that bothers me. Okay about the intro to flash. We're

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talking about Flash of the movie. Yeah, okay, this is

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a small thing, and I know this is weird. Probably

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nobody else thinks about this flash. Gordon's on vacation. He's

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also listening to football games. Okay, what professional quarterback goes

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on vacation during football season?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's here's the weird thing for me. Yeah,

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and this is further on in the movie, of course,

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when Ming ultimately gets impaled with the ship we're moving

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there already slides off and what color is his blood blue?

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What color is her blood red? Why is the daughter

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bleed red and the dad lead green or blue or whatever?

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It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that question.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So anyway, so part of the craziness

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that occurred during production we mentioned before was the Dananello

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Dennardi who had all these weird things that he wanted

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to do. Included the mask that wouldn't move move for Cleitis.

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and the wings for the Hawkmen. They didn't move like,

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they were rigid, like. They couldn't sit down because the

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wings would smash against the floor, so they had to

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lie on their stomachs. This is nineteen eighty, right, nineteen

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eighty and so they've got these Hawkmen that they've got

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and him flying so that they get could they could

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flying monkeys and the Wizard of Oz like fifty years

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go to the guy who made the movie before like

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color movies existed instead of going to the guys that

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just made the movie that made you to believe a

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Speaker 2: Now that you say that they did look like flying monkeys, Well,

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here's one thing that they got right though. Okay, let's

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give it up special effects. Wise, everything else, including Star Wars,

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space is black with white stars. They made these unbelievably cool, colorful,

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rich background skies. What they made by dumping color dye

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the way they did it, like you said, they

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had different weights and colors for these inks, and they

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these rainbow colored clouds slowly moving across it, and.

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Speaker 2: They look amazing. Can we just pause and put the

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flag at half mast? Put your hand over your heart

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for our buddy Munson who played Porkins and Star Wars

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and the Top Men guy in Raiders of the Last

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Dye in that one and Eckhart detective in eighty nine

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for the hills. Before you know, Zarkov tries to make

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him get on the ship.

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Speaker 1: Threatening with a gun. Get in the ship.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna shoot you.

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Speaker 1: You're crazy.

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Speaker 2: I'm out of here. Yeah, and then Flash Gordon squishes

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in with the airplane. Completely accidental. However, Flash takes out Munson.

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Speaker 1: Sorry Munson, our good friend William Hootkins.

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Speaker 2: The third here's the other. Thing's a little weird. Doctor

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Zarkoff builds a rocket in the middle of Greenhouse. Yeah, okay,

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which is a little far fetched, although Elon Musk basically

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is doing the same thing. Okay, but the rocket ship

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can't be operated alone. You gotta have two people because

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somebody's got to press the freaking red lever.

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Speaker 1: I yes, that was my that was my thought as well.

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ship capable of going into outer space, but it can't

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unless you have two people operating.

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Speaker 2: Pushed the red lever. Listen. I love these movies, okay,

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but apparently when you take off into space and you

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go to Mongo, it's kind of like a wet dream

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because this is erotic. Melody Anderson could barely keep her

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clothes on inside the Rocket show, and they're all passed

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out and they're sweaty and they're having it's very.

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Speaker 1: Erotic, and the rocket ship is very phallic.

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Speaker 2: It's very phallic. And then of course when they get

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to Mongoming pulls out his magic ring and hypnotizes her

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to do this magic erotic dance, which is weird until

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you find out that Dino de Lorentis told Lorenzo simple, Hey,

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how's the script going? Pretty good? I got my buddy

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Bob Guccioni over here. Why don't you ask him for

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some ideas. Bob Guccioni, the guy who created Penthouse Magazine,

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he had some input into Flash Gordon.

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Speaker 1: Brian Blessed talks about the fact that Dino de Laurentiz

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would show up on the set, show up on the set,

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and he scared the crap out of everyone, and finally

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nobody could do anything with you here. You instead of

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I just don't think you do that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've got two star Wars, Indiana Jones connections. I

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want to talk about real quick, Okay, all right? In

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the movie Flash Gordon, Prince Baron, I believe what runs

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up to this guy who's got the special eye goggles

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on and he rips him off, and it's this kind

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of grotesque wires coming out of his eye sockets. Yes,

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freak me out as a kid. Okay, And that guy

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is actually the same guy who played Lobot and the

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Empire strikes back. The guy who has that weird robot

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ear thing on, who's Leno Kelriskian's right hand man. But

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the guy at the beginning, they're all making their offerings

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to me, and the guy from Ardentia who stands up

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and says, since you blasted our kingdom into Adams, we've

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had nothing to offer but our loyalty.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's the guy. It's Captain.

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Speaker 2: It's Katanga Captain Raiders of the Lost Arc. Yes, But

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what I really wanted to talk about. I've been waiting

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to talk about one of my favorite parts in the movies,

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and this is one I get jabs at, Like people

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make fun of this part. Yeah, the football scene.

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Speaker 1: So it's it was supposed to be just a regular

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old brawl.

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Speaker 2: And Sam Jane Jones is like, well wait a minute,

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he's a football player. Yeah, this ought to be like

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a football fight.

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Speaker 1: And they had the eggs that they were going to

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present as like the offering toming perfect football.

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Speaker 2: It was great, and they play that that cool queen

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football fight song.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Melody Anderson jumps in it starts cheering.

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Speaker 2: Go Flash go.

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Speaker 1: It's go flash go.

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Speaker 2: It is a bit absurd, it's absurd, but he's launching

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football is at the bad guys. Clydes gets in trouble

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by me because he's not keeping him on the right

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pills or whatever, and Topel is like, you know, the

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guy who keeps shotguns, snapping it to him until he

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hits him right in the head with one and then

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knocks him out. Okay, let's flip back to Highlander. Let's

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talk about the movie, the actual movie Highlander for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you've got this guy who's directing music videos

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to direct this movie. He has got his own way

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of doing it, and in my opinion, turns out fantastic.

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of the coolest transition scenes in any movie f from

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the eighties. You've got number one, You've got the garage

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transition scene where somehow they move the camera moves up

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through the ceiling of this garage and peeks out over

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the top of the Scottish Highlands. How did they do that?

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Speaker 2: It's freaking amazing, It is freaking The transitions are shockingly good.

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Speaker 1: And then you have this moment later on when he

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gets kicked out of the clan and Connor macloud falls

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an exhaustion against the rock and suddenly his face transitions

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into the Mona Lisa picture that's on the side of

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the building in New York City.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: And then transition number three. They're probably more of them,

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We pan in through the window of Connor mcloud's New

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York City apartment. He's sharpening his sword. He hears something

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and turns back and looks behind him at the aquarium,

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into the aquarium, then rises up and suddenly we're looking

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at the top of the water where they're on the

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lake in Scotland again, and Ramirez is lessening McLeod on

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Speaker 2: It's a very karate kid type of shot right there.

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Speaker 1: It is, I mean, and he's the he's the mister

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Miyagi character. But that transition scene was incredible. Transitions they're amazing.

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one of the end of the practical effects movies, which

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electricity things and the wires you catch some of those things.

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Speaker 2: Budget, yes, and I'm willing to forgive some of that,

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like when they're doing the quickening and when like they're

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absorbing the power. There's some weird animated character ghosts looking things.

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that could go.

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Speaker 1: And it was I mean, I thought it was pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You mentioned that lake Sean Connery's character rocks the

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I can't swim, you stupid hagins, right right, So Sean

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out of the boat on purpose. He can't swim, right.

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character where it comes to realize he.

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Speaker 1: Almost giggles underwater.

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pivotal scene in the When he was filming that scene,

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they were actually filming it at a Scottish lock right,

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you think the water's gonna be cold, and then you're like, this,

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water's cold.

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Speaker 1: Water's way colder than.

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Speaker 2: You thought it was gonna be cold, but not that cold.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The second time you know it's gonna be freezing. The

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third time you say, that's the last time we're doing this,

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that's the last take.

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Speaker 1: But then he comes up and he comes out of

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the water and he has the fish fall out of

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his kilt. Right, yes, well his kilt was too short.

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trout through the pipes, so they're flipping around around whenever

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they fall out of his kilt. Here's another camera scene

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that I was just blown away with that I had

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to stop and go, how the heck did they do this?

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the wrestling match, they have the camera panned through the

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auditorium of above everybody else. They didn't have drones back right, right?

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Speaker 2: Isn't it like on those wires, aren't?

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Speaker 1: Yes? So the guy, the guy's name is Garret Brown.

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He is the guy who invented the skycam, which is

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what they use what they use in football games now.

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which is a camera that's on cables that they control

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with a computer. And that's how they get it.

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Speaker 2: Up all right. Before we dive in and start breaking

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apart the movie section of Highlander, I just want to

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give a quick shout out to my buddy Brandon Hasselton.

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He is a friend of mine front of the show.

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He always listens to the podcast gives me feedback. I

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really appreciate him. This is his all time favorite movie,

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like Highlander is top of the heat for him. He

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has declared it the perfect movie. He sees a lot

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of biblical imagery between the Kurgan and McLeod right, the

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good guy and the bad guy chase each other across

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time and eventually they're gonna fight yep, and who's gonna win.

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I think that's a great hook for a movie.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And the you know Queen that part about the immortality.

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Queen was originally slated to just do one song, yes, movie,

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just one song, but then they watched like twenty minutes

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of footage from the movie and were inspired to write

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several songs, which is why they basically end up with

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the whole soundtrack themselves. But Brian May was inspired by

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that idea of living forever meaning you're gonna lose everyone

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you love over and over again, which is what inspired

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him to write the song who Wants to Live Forever?

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Speaker 2: Great song.

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Speaker 1: He's singing the first lines of that song. Did you

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know that? Really? Yeah? That's Brian May singing the first

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lines of the song. He sings the first verse and

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Freddy Mercury comes in for the second. Really. Yes.

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Speaker 2: So Highlander does not have an official soundtrack, okay, right, However,

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Queen has an album called A Kind of Magic Yes,

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came out in eighty six. On this album, you have

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a song called a kind of Magic.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is a line from the movie. It's what

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he says Rachel twice yes, as he rescues her as

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a little girl from the German and she's like, you're

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not dead, and he's like, it's kind of magic. And

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then when he tells her he's not going to see

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her again, last thing he says to her is its

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kind of magic. Which side note, they cut the German

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scene from the American release, which means that when he

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says that last line to her of its kind of

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magic as he's leaving on the elevator, it's the first

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time the American audience ever heard it, and it didn't

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make a dang. But so this is probably why the

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movie did not do as well in America as they

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cut some kind of critical stuff.

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Speaker 2: That scene with the Germans really cool. It is if

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you haven't seen it, if you're American and you haven't

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seen it. He rescues Rachel, who's this older woman secretary

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as a young girl from a Nazi killer and for

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many many years serves him. Okay, so back to the soundtrack.

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You have a kind of Magic, you have one Year

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of Love. You have a song called who Wants to

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Live Forever, which we talked about. You have a song

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called Don't Lose Your Head, have a song called give

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Me the Prize, which is freaking awesome. It's Kurgan's theme

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and it's hard rock and it's give Me the prize

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and then you have Princess of the Universe b to

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the case.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of magic. Is really basically for the soundtrack

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for Hilight. Yeah, from the Dawn of Time we came

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moving silently down through the centuries. The red text was

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supposed to be a place marker that they were supposed

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to replace or not have, but the producers thought that

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actually looks pretty cool, let's keep that. And the audio

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track was something that Sean Connery did later production had wrapped,

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as we mentioned, and they said, oh, hey, we forgot

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to have you do this part. So he did it

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from his house in the back through That's why you

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get the echo effect. He's in his toilet with a

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microphone recording the first lines of the movie.

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Speaker 2: What you didn't hear was the flush after he finished recording.

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Speaker 1: Trying to record.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Ralby, I'm out here and audio.

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Speaker 1: So we go from that intro by mister Connery himself

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into a crazy wrestling match which was supposed to be

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an NHL game. Yes, the clacking of the sticks before

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the game was supposed to transition into the clanking of swords,

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and that's what sparked his memory. And so they went

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to the NHL, and the NHL said, no, we don't

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want the hockey to be known as a violence sport.

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Are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: That's funny. Here's the funny part about this. This is

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supposed to take place in Madison Square Garden, right right, Yeah,

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well they're supposed to have this fight in the parking

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garage underneath Mason Square Garden. Right, Mason Square Garden doesn't

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have a parking game.

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Speaker 1: It does not have a parking garage underneathing.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is actually shot in New Jersey. The wrestling

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match was shot in New Jersey where the New Jersey

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Nets and I think the Devil's played. The parking garage

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scene was shot in London.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the thing about this movie is like so

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many of the New York scenes are shot in London.

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They've got all kinds of tax breaks for being a

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London production, So most of your footage is actually shot overseas.

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You've got London, you've got Wales, you've got Scotland.

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Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the fight scene at

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the beginning of Islander. Okay, super cool, queen, right into

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the action, right right, A wrestling match matchup. We have

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the introduction of the character. He's walking in the parking

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garage and you have this guy sneak out behind him

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and say McLeod, Facile. Then they have this awesome, cool sit.

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Speaker 1: I love that his first line is wait, and then

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it's too late. Facile is ready to fight and he's

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jumping in. It's kind of hard to be sympathetic to

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a guy who slices the head off of somebody else

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at the very beginning of a movie unless his first

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line was wait a minute, you know, and then it

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makes it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, go ahead. So the sword fight is awesome.

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There is some ridiculousness. The guy that does fifty thousand

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backhand springs for no parent reasons.

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Speaker 1: Literally electric is he still flipping? Why is he doing that?

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I don't know. That's weird.

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Speaker 2: And you have McLeod reaching for five minutes the sword

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under the car.

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Speaker 1: It's building tension. Okay, while they still get you a

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nice good close up of that samurai handle, which was

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really cool.

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Speaker 2: It was cool. Here's what I wish they would have done.

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I like the idea that these immortals would have known

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each other over this long period of time. It would

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have been cool to have him say McLoud it's me.

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We've been friends for a long time, but now's your day.

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I've come for your head. Yeah, or don't announce yourself

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and try to take his head off without him even seeing.

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But instead he's behind him, and so is McLoud.

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Speaker 1: I think it has to be a fight. I don't

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think you can sneak up and kill people from behind.

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Why not, because I think that's one of the rules.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the rules for a second. The rules

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of a Highlander are the guy has to cut off

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your head, yes, for you to die. That's the only

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way you can die. Also, you can't fight on holy

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ground right now. The movie doesn't explore this very much,

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but as I understand it, the TV show did a

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little bit. Okay, So there's a scene at the end

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of the movie where the Kurgan and McLeod are in church, right,

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and Kirgan is being a told jerk to the nuns

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and the priests and not real church by the way, yeah,

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and real nuns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they like the church really didn't want to

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do it, but they needed the money.

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Speaker 2: And then he like Clancy Brown, apologized to him after

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the shot. So, but they can't fight on holy ground

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right now? Is that a rule or is that a tradition.

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They mentioned that it's tradition.

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Speaker 1: The way that Sean Connery puts it, it sounds like

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it's like a rule that is a rule, because they've

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put these rules in place themselves. Like it's not like

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lightning's going to strike you dead if you try to

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fight in a church. It's just hey, we've got guidelines

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and you don't break them, right, because we just have

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a mutual respect as immortals.

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Speaker 2: But the Kurgan doesn't seem to have respect for anybody

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or anything.

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Speaker 1: But he has respect for the immortals rules. Okay, he

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won't fight on holy ground either.

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Speaker 2: Well, as I understand the TV show McLeod's cousin Dug

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in McLoud, they were on holy ground and they start

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to fight, and that lightning does start to flash, and

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so there's this idea that there is a higher power

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holding these guys accountable.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: But that scene at the beginning super cool, very cool

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and at the end, and.

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Speaker 1: I love that they somehow get the sprinklers going, so

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get the fight on the rain. And to listen to Russell,

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Okay he talking, he just kind of laughs, He's like,

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I know it's absurd that they're fighting in a garage

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in the rain, but it looks cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And all the car lights come on and

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they start honking, and the windshields blow out.

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Speaker 1: And then a hubcap. Good.

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Speaker 2: Here's the absurd thing about that fight. So I'm willing

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to go all in on all this stuff. I'm in right,

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super cool. Conor McLeod takes this guy's head clean swipe.

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Absolutely no witnesses, nobody's there. He pulls out of the

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parking garage and the entire New York Police Department pulls

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him over.

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Speaker 1: He hears the sirens, which makes him panic, which is

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why he puts the sword up. He's trying to get

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out before they get there. He takes Eddie Murphy's car

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from forty eight hours. That really sucks because I think

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it's got like half a million dollars in the dru

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that's true. But they catch him coming out too fast,

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I mean.

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Speaker 2: Eating, and the whole NYPD pulls him over.

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Speaker 1: Yes, somebody discovered a dead box.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, called the forensic slash sword specialist

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out here.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what this is a sword?

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Speaker 2: Here's the other scene I want to talk about. Okay,

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this is where I'm trying to understand the rule, and

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they sometimes they kind of break their own rules and

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so anyway, I'm just trying to understand.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So McLeod as a young man in Scotland. Yeah, they're

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gonna have this fight between his clan and another clan.

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Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't what is killed.

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Speaker 2: Mcloud's a young I think he's supposed to be like

473
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,720
eighteen or nineteen. He's a young guy. Well, little do

474
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:20,960
we know, but the Kurgan is fighting with the other klan, right,

475
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,240
and his deal is like, nobody fights the Cloud with me.

476
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,640
I get him Connor Connor.

477
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: It's important that he says Connor because because they're all

478
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,279
Mcloud's thank you, thank you, one name Connor.

479
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: Right, So they have this fight, which I think is

480
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:37,640
ridiculous because he's chasing these guys around. He's like, fight me,

481
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,559
you cowards, but nobody will fight him. Which if you're

482
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,319
not gonna fight me, I'm still gonna take your head.

483
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,680
Fight me, you coward. Okay, well you're dead, You're dead.

484
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,759
And then the Kurgan shows up. He's like here I

485
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:54,960
am McLeod, let's fight, and stabs him and he dies right, Well,

486
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,039
he gets one stab in.

487
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,599
Speaker 1: He gets one stab in and he's about to behead him.

488
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,720
And then the other guy's his compatriots, his cousin, his friend.

489
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,480
They run and tackle the Kurgan and keep him and

490
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,559
he says, another day, McLeod, that could be only one.

491
00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: See that's ridiculous too.

492
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: It is a little.

493
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,079
Speaker 2: The Kurgan is there, McLeod's on the ground. I need

494
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,279
to take his head. I'm not gonna let three smelly

495
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,599
Haggis's take me from the prize. Okay, he stabs him,

496
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:28,559
I believe guy. He stabs him and McLeod dies right

497
00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:31,960
just a little, yeah, okay, flash forward like an hour

498
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,039
into the movie. The Kurgan stabs a marine, threw his back,

499
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,559
picks him up, holds him for like forty five seconds,

500
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,400
throws him, and the guy's in the hospital bed making

501
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,839
sketch artists pictures.

502
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: For the the operative word there is marine. You can't

503
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,440
kill those guys, all right?

504
00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: Sorry? That dude was like, what time's breakfast? Right, I'm

505
00:25:59,279 --> 00:25:59,920
totally fine.

506
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: He was. He was. He was vigilante number one on

507
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:05,279
the New York streets that.

508
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:09,039
Speaker 2: Night, which and then he unloaded a clip on the Kurgan. Yeah,

509
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,160
he had five bolet holes in his shirt. Yep, and

510
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,039
then he got up five minutes later. So does he

511
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,160
not die? So I understand that they don't die, but

512
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,039
do they die in resurrect Yeah.

513
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. My impression is is that the

514
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:22,759
first time you die, you actually kind of go through

515
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,279
the death process before you you come back, But after

516
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:29,640
you've died a few more times, you're just better at

517
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,279
getting better.

518
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, that's fine.

519
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,559
Speaker 1: I from what I understand in the novelization, like the

520
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,559
Kurgan's dad is the one that killed him like as

521
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:44,839
a child, like as a young man, smashing his head

522
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,680
with a rock or something.

523
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,799
Speaker 2: And crushed his skull. Yeah, and then when he resurrected,

524
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,079
he made his dad eat a hot coal and.

525
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:52,799
Speaker 1: The way to go.

526
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would be unpleasant. Here's the other rule

527
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,319
that we forgot to mention. The other rule is that

528
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,640
immortals can have children, which I think that's okay.

529
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:06,279
Speaker 1: It's interesting because Gregory Wyden said that he had more

530
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:09,960
emphasis on the rules in the script, but apparently that

531
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:11,839
wasn't one of the rules in the script because in

532
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,799
the script he had thirty seven kids, right, So they

533
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,079
changed the rules and then disregarded them. And in the

534
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,160
original script there wasn't there wasn't like this prize at

535
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,920
the end. There wasn't the idea there can be only one.

536
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:30,079
And so the conclusion of the movie, where he's mortal

537
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,240
and he has perfect understanding and all of that stuff

538
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,839
was something that they came up with later on. And

539
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,880
that he could have kids, that was something that came

540
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,279
up with through the production of the movie. So this

541
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,119
is what Mike Hodges said I had to say about

542
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,119
filming Flash Gordon. He said, I had a producer who

543
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,599
spoke mangled English. I had a production designer who spoke

544
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,599
none at all. Both like ming, seemed to have arrived

545
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,400
from another galaxy. Once I realized that the film was

546
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,599
in many ways out of my control, I realized and

547
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:02,839
I made it up as I went along. I loved it.

548
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,599
Speaker 2: He also said, it's the only twenty million dollar movie

549
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:09,519
that was totally improved. Give it up to Mike Hodges.

550
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,480
Let's go back to Flashcourt. After the football scene with

551
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,559
Flash Gordon, he's executed. They don't even give him the

552
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,440
dignity of being executed fully clothed. He has to be

553
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,680
in his underwear, right right, So they execute Flash in

554
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,559
his underwear. Dale was crying her eyes out, and Aura,

555
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,200
Princess Ara Ming's daughter, decides she's going to resurrect Flash

556
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:30,440
for her own pleasure.

557
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:31,799
Speaker 1: Right, Aura is.

558
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:39,319
Speaker 2: Banging everybody in the universe. Once she revives Flash. Now

559
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,960
she takes him back. She's got this idea. She's going

560
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:43,960
to take him to Aboria. Right, and that's when you

561
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,039
have the telepathic yes. Wow, this girl's really turned me on. Right.

562
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,799
What here's the thing. Here's the thing with Flash Cordon

563
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:55,839
that bugs me. Okay, Yeah, I'm an old fashioned guy. Yeah,

564
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,039
it Flashes in love with Dale Arden, that's fine.

565
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, after knowing her for all of thirty minutes.

566
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes, right, he had a very erotic flight with her.

567
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that they almost died on a way to build

568
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:11,720
a relationship.

569
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: He gets there five seconds later. Mean's daughter is totally untrustworthy,

570
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:24,160
but she's you know, hot, super hot, And it's kind

571
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,839
of that question, like, never say never again, this girl

572
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,200
might kill me. I'm still willing to take a chance.

573
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,359
But she brings him to a Boria where her other boyfriend,

574
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,839
Prince Baron is there. Okay, and he hates Flash because

575
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,920
he's a competitor and Prince Baron and Flash are gonna

576
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,359
face off in this stump where the wood beast resides. Okay,

577
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,920
this is the most wood beast. Yes, yeah, this is

578
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,480
the most tense scene in the movie to me, and

579
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:56,880
as a kid, scared the crap out of me.

580
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

581
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: So for those of you who don't remember.

582
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:01,839
Speaker 1: There's no way you can't remember. You either didn't see

583
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,359
the movie or that's true. Yeah, the most memorable scene.

584
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,519
Speaker 2: There's this animal that's kind of like a scorpion, like

585
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:10,400
a green scorpion that lives in a tree.

586
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:13,279
Speaker 1: Grab slimy scorpion.

587
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,039
Speaker 2: And you reach your hand in and you do it

588
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:17,000
until somebody gets stung and they die.

589
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,759
Speaker 1: The delight on her face is she watches the kid

590
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:24,640
get stung and then get killed. It's yeah, she's messed.

591
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: Up, all right. While this is going on, Dale Arden

592
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,000
is back being prepared for her wedding right where she

593
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,359
has to marry me for the hour, right, But she escapes,

594
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,160
so she's running down the hallways. She has this really

595
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,680
cool scene where she's got she's managed to get a

596
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,720
gun and she's shooting at these guys in their red

597
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:49,440
suits right, right. But so she's doing these gymnastics and shooting,

598
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,559
and she finally shoots one in the face, right, and

599
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,160
when she shoots him, you have this big gas expulsion

600
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:01,440
from the laser wound. And Anderson said that when they

601
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:08,200
filmed that, that guy threw up because the smoke got

602
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,799
and he breathed in the smoke and he had to

603
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,720
rip his mask off and puke on the floor.

604
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: So, oh, my, classic, classic. Those guys are worse than stormtroopers.

605
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,000
I mean, talk about the most inept soldiers. How did

606
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:24,319
this guy conquer the universe with these guys as his army?

607
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,240
That doesn't even make sense. Yeah, they were speaking of

608
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,000
things that does that don't make sense. You have these

609
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:33,400
weird jumps in the story that you have no transition for,

610
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,519
Like you think, okay, so number one, you think that

611
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,440
doctor Zorkov's brain has been drained, yes, right, yes, And

612
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:47,160
then Clytus tells tells General Kla don't get him past

613
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,680
the level three. He leaves and she's like level six, Oh,

614
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:54,799
what's going on? What is the purpose of You never know? Why?

615
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,119
Why did that happen? Right? What? What was the level six?

616
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,119
What did it mean? Nothing explanation at all. And then

617
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,079
you got doctor Zartov walking around like a zombie. You

618
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:10,039
don't know if he's been lobotomized or not. He's suddenly

619
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:14,839
with Dale. He's talking very sporadically. It's confused, and then

620
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:17,359
all of a sudden they're on a motorcycle ship and

621
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,960
he's like, yep, I just fool them all, And I'm like,

622
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,519
where's the rest of the story here? What happened to that?

623
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:24,559
Speaker 2: That part was confusing?

624
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: And then the same thing happens with Princess Hottie h

625
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:35,240
a a Aurora bory Ellis. She comes back and suddenly

626
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:37,839
she's being whipped with a cat and iron tails.

627
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: We don't have time for exposition.

628
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: Not the bore worms.

629
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: The bore worms you talk about my imagination running wild.

630
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Because they don't tell you what they would exactly, which

631
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,079
makes them cool. It sounded horrible. They sound like the

632
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:57,359
thing from the Star Trek, the little earwig things that

633
00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:59,400
they'd stick in your beach bird.

634
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,039
Speaker 2: That's what they are to you. That's what they are.

635
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: So then let's just talk about the awesome music that

636
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,000
comes in on the battles of this.

637
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:21,279
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, this is freaking awesome.

638
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:22,839
Speaker 2: Man, The whole thing is awesome.

639
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,359
Speaker 1: So this again, Queen is the soundtrack on this one,

640
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:31,000
but they weren't who they wanted originally, right, Originally they

641
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:35,519
wanted Pink Floyd and as the click track, if you will.

642
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,599
For the whole wedding ceremony, they were playing Shine on You,

643
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,640
Crazy Diamond for the whole scene, like you watch. So

644
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,519
I want to go back in and like put in

645
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:47,079
that music. See what what what it looks like when

646
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,720
people are walking around to that song, because that's what

647
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:53,359
they're listening to and they're filming in and the music

648
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:56,599
is very it has a very Pink Floyd type of

649
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:58,200
feel to it, even though it is Queen, it has

650
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,400
a very Pink Floyd kind of feel.

651
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,519
Speaker 2: Totally. I totally agree. Okay, So one scene I want

652
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,720
to talk about in Flash, Gordon, Flash and Baron end

653
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:10,159
up being carried by the Hawkman back to the Hawkman Capital,

654
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:17,119
which looks a lot like cloud City, right, looks like

655
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,159
bestmin from Empress s rekes Men, Okay, and they decide

656
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,079
we're gonna fight. Voltan puts him on this revolving disc,

657
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,920
throws him a couple of bullwhips and if you fall

658
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,559
off the disc, you fall into space. Plus their spikes

659
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,679
and as a kid. I was like, this is so cool.

660
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,679
Baron and Flash fight right, and as Baron is about

661
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,159
to fall off to his death, Flash saved him. And

662
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,480
that's the part where the whole movie flips and Prince

663
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,440
Baron says, where you go, I will follow. That's when

664
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,320
they talk Voltan into join us. We're gonna overthrow me.

665
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:51,679
It's awesome.

666
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.

667
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: Flash's morality is his superpower. He doesn't have any ultra

668
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:01,800
strength or super speed or X ray vision. He doesn't

669
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,159
have any of that. What he's got he doesn't have immortality.

670
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,960
He has humanity and morality. He's a great guy.

671
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: So now we've talked about Queen. Yes, both of these

672
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:20,400
movies had composers as well. Wow, okay, so Flash had

673
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,840
an original composer. I don't even remember what his name was.

674
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:25,920
Apparently he was so inebriated the whole time that he

675
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,360
wrote about thirty seconds worth of musical music, and so

676
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,159
they were freaking out. They bring in Blake Howard to

677
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,519
write music theme music, you know, underlying score for the

678
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:42,320
movie that the Queen hasn't done. And he gets to

679
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,039
work and he has to have it done in ten days.

680
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,840
We're talking about an entire score in ten days. Anyway,

681
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,760
he writes NonStop, NonStop, finishes it in time, and then

682
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,760
passes out and they can't wake him, and eventually they

683
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,440
have to like give him an injection of something to

684
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,360
get him to come out of it. And his wife

685
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,960
is like, do you know what day it is? And

686
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,920
he's like, yeah, it's Monday, and she says, no, it's Friday. Wow,

687
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:17,079
you have been asleep this whole time. And the doctor's like,

688
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:19,760
you've got double pneumonia and both of your lungs. Like

689
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,760
he had nearly killed himself writing the score to this movie.

690
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,840
And when they, you know, finally revive it and tell

691
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,719
him all this stuff, he goes, I feel fine. And

692
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,639
then of course to go back to Highlander. We have

693
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,079
our friend.

694
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: Michael Cayman, you will remember.

695
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,119
Speaker 1: Wrote the music for both Die Hard and Lethal Weapon. Yes,

696
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,760
but he was working very closely with Queen throughout this process.

697
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: Now, one of the things I want to talk about

698
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:53,360
during that church scene when McLoud and the Kurgan are

699
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,360
talking and the Kurgan's giving the nuns a hard time

700
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,440
and the priests and all this stuff. Right at the

701
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,079
end of it, he makes this big anount. Yeah, I've

702
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:04,000
got something to say. Now, It's better to burn out

703
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,320
than to fade away, right right, And that's actually from

704
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:08,440
a Neil Young.

705
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,639
Speaker 1: Album, right hey, hey, my mind.

706
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:14,039
Speaker 2: However, this movie was filled nineteen eighty six. Yes, I'm

707
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,079
wondering if he got that from Pyromania by def Leppert.

708
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,559
Speaker 1: I have your answer, Yeah, well you got he got

709
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,079
it from Pyromania and the reason that and I don't

710
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,000
know this one hundred percent, I haven't heard that that

711
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,079
that is where it came from. But what I do

712
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,159
know is that the entire time that he wasn't shooting,

713
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:34,960
he was listening to heavy metal on his headphones, and

714
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,400
so there's no way he was listening to Neil Young.

715
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,039
He came up with that line that was like, there's

716
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,400
an improv line. He wasn't in the script. He said

717
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,360
that on his own. That was him maybe one of

718
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,960
the most memorable lines in the whole movie. That was

719
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:51,920
him improving that line. And I my, I would bet

720
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,599
one hundred dollars to one that he got it from Deflipper.

721
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: Did you know the chrispher Lambert did all of the

722
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,239
dubbing for the French version of Highlander himself.

723
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: Which goes into why it was such a big success overseas.

724
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:06,599
Speaker 2: One thing I want to mention about Flash Gordon. Okay,

725
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,719
there was a whole dream sequence where Dale was supposed

726
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,599
to turn into the Spider, this crazy spider character like

727
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,639
Meing had hypnotized splash or something, and he was supposed

728
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:21,320
to see Dale as this hideous spider person.

729
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Again this is there's no script and Dino Dealer Intos

730
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:28,400
decides that this is going to happen and probably like

731
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,119
while drinking Chardonay the night before or something.

732
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:35,159
Speaker 2: Right, So Melody Anderson spelt like six hours into makeup

733
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,639
getting olds spidered up, and Mike Hodges walks in, is like, wow,

734
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:42,239
that looks really interesting. We're not shooting this at all.

735
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,119
This has nothing to do with our movie. She's like,

736
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:48,400
what the other thing I want to talk about with

737
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,760
Flash Gordon? Okay, And we'll get into post production here

738
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,079
a second. But Flash Gordon's plan to save the Earth

739
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,280
is to kill me. If he kills me, that ends

740
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,400
the attack on the Earth, right, and he's got like

741
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,199
two and a hal half minutes to do it, So

742
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,480
what's he gonna do. He hijacks the war rocket Ajax

743
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,440
and he's going to crash it into the shield and

744
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,880
that would then cause the explosion. It would kill everybody,

745
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,320
including Flash and Dale and Zarkoff and everybody everybody. Right, Well,

746
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,719
Zarkoff pulls a Han solo slash return of the Jedi

747
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,840
Plan where he disengages the shield. So now the plan

748
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,840
is out the window, right, blowing up the war rocket

749
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,199
to kill everybody in the wedding party out the winding. Yeah.

750
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,639
So now that's just just gonna crash the rocket right

751
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,119
into smack dab into the middle of the wedding uh huh,

752
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,280
and just happens to hit me right dead center.

753
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: Good aim.

754
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: That to me is in one part amazing and one

755
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,760
part ridiculous.

756
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: Well that's the whole freaking movie.

757
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: Man, it is, And I'm I don't care.

758
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,079
Speaker 1: It is like it is like a high school musical

759
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,000
that somebody got a million dollars to cost me. I mean,

760
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,400
it's just crazy. It's just crazy. The stuff that they

761
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,039
had all that is awesome. It is awesome. A lot

762
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,480
of my awesome is nostalgia from being like a six

763
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:05,920
year old kid watching this stuff.

764
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:09,079
Speaker 2: I know, if this really is I'm leaning on like

765
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,599
fifth grade type of feelings here.

766
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, But let's I mean we are kind of moving

767
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:17,360
into post production on this. So I mentioned the success

768
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,840
overseas of Highlander, and we've talked already neither one of

769
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,360
these movies were a success in the US when they

770
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,239
first came out. So a lot of people they didn't

771
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,360
want what Flash Gordon was given. It was just over

772
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,079
the top, and what they had just fell fallen in

773
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,000
love with was this monochromatic I mean, black and white

774
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:41,760
and gray stuff from Star Wars, and so it did

775
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,360
not sit well with the Star Wars conditioned audience at all. Okay,

776
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:50,079
unless you were like us in like seven six and seven, yeah,

777
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:50,800
watching this thing.

778
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, are we moving into judgment here or.

779
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: Well no, it's just it's important to note that it

780
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:01,280
wasn't a success, and Highland was the same way like

781
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,760
it came out, and the first mistake that they made

782
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,519
was they cut some crucial scenes. They cut the Kurgain

783
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:12,280
licking the priests, and they cut the scene the Nazi scene.

784
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,239
It just I mean, they took out the things that

785
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,360
helped it make sense and helped you get some character

786
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,559
on stuff. And then they gave us a poster. The

787
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:25,280
original poster was a large black and white, very grainy

788
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:28,400
like he looked like he had leprosy or something. Picture

789
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:32,400
of Christopher Lambert's face and it just said Highlander on it.

790
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,639
It didn't say anything about being immortal. It didn't have

791
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:38,079
any swords, nothing to give you any information about what

792
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,559
this movie was about. And seeing a greeny, black and

793
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:42,880
white picture of this guy's face is not going to

794
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,920
make me want to go watch this movie. It was

795
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:50,440
actually part two being announced and its success overseas that

796
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,079
caused people to become interested. And it had its big

797
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:57,679
success through video, and so when they went to France,

798
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,039
suddenly they're like he and Christopher Lambert treated like a

799
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:07,280
rock star, and everybody loves it in Europe because they've

800
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,920
got those missing scenes in there. It makes sense. And

801
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,480
they do a poster that has him it's like the

802
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:16,960
scene from the parking garage where he's got his arms out.

803
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:20,239
You've got the Kurgan like silhouetted in the back, and

804
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,760
you get an idea of it being about immortals. And

805
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,119
that's I mean, that's why it got the success that

806
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:30,920
it did and Flash Gordon. Fortunately the guys who were

807
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,800
our age at the time, some of them ended up

808
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:40,039
being big time directors, like Robert Rodriguez. Yes, and Seth MacFarlane,

809
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,199
who when he decided to make ted which is the

810
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,480
movie with Mark Wahlberg and a Teddy Bear that's vulgar

811
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:52,719
and inappropriate voiced by Seth MacFarlane, he had this dream

812
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,960
that you know that Sam Jones was going to be

813
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:59,079
in it as this kind of over the top caricature

814
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,360
of himself, and Sam Jones agreed to do it.

815
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,039
Speaker 2: They're flying on a rocket cycle, flying, blind on a

816
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:10,039
rocket cycle. Line, blind on a rocket cycle.

817
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,079
Speaker 1: Good, Okay, so you want to talk about Sam Jones

818
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:15,480
for a minute.

819
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: We need to talk about this is the most interesting

820
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,760
and yet sad part of the movie.

821
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: Kind of heartbreaking. So they started the production and Sam

822
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,920
Jones came in and injured from a bar fight he

823
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,519
had been in the night before. Yes, he was, from

824
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:34,400
different accounts, kind of a prima donna or emotionally immature

825
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:38,519
during the shooting of this movie, and they broke right

826
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,599
around Christmas time. He went back to the States and

827
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,599
when it was come it was time to come back

828
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,000
to finish some final scenes and post production stuff. His

829
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,280
representation told him not to go and he listened to them,

830
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:53,960
and that was probably the worst mistake he made as

831
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,039
far as his career goes.

832
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely. In fact, I didn't really understand this. I had

833
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,559
kind of heard rumblings about this. Ninety percent or more

834
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,320
of his lines were dubbed over by another actor. That

835
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,920
actor's name is Peter Mehrinker, which has kind of been

836
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,519
a secret up until recently. But it was heartbreaking for

837
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,119
him and really just kind of a dumb kid move,

838
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:19,079
you know what I mean. I'm going to take on

839
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,920
Dino Dela Reentis. Oh wait, I got fired. He could

840
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,079
go on the Tonight Show and he couldn't go on

841
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:27,480
these things to sell the movie and make it successful, right,

842
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,559
And therefore we got part two and part three canceled.

843
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:34,119
Speaker 1: So interestingly, let's talk about the end real quick. You've

844
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:40,400
got the ring sitting there, yes, and the black gloved

845
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,119
hand comes to pick it up, and a question mark

846
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:48,280
comes up as the end question? Right, and so is

847
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,480
that Clytis's hand?

848
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: That is the rumor that it is Clydis's hand.

849
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: Because the actor who played Clytis, Peter Wingard, did not

850
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:56,719
want to die.

851
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,039
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I like.

852
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,119
Speaker 1: When it came down to shoot his death scene, he

853
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:03,519
came and he's like, you know, Clytus is a very

854
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,880
important character. I don't think we should kill him. And

855
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,039
they're like, but but I mean that's what the scrip,

856
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,800
that's the script says. He's and he's like, but he

857
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,679
I really feel like that. There are more movies lined up,

858
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,360
and I think he would be And certainly Brian Blessed

859
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,079
is jumping and he's like.

860
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:32,079
Speaker 2: You die, you bloody well, die go die die Brian Blessed. Awesome, Hey,

861
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,920
I've got something that was gonna blow you away. Okay,

862
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:39,440
do you know who designed the logo for Flash Gordon,

863
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:41,800
the like the little saturn looking thing.

864
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Freddie Mercury Get out of Town.

865
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: Yes, he is an artist and he came up with

866
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,920
that and they went with it.

867
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: Fantastic, Freddy, fantastic. So no part too. So interestingly, interestingly,

868
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Flash Gordon, you have a movie that had I've nearly

869
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,119
had forty something years worth of history leading up to it,

870
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,280
and then suddenly it's off the radar. After this movie

871
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,679
comes out, right, right, almost nothing has happened with it

872
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,239
since then, yes, absolutely nothing. And then with Highlander, which

873
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,000
didn't perform, well, you get five sequels and a series

874
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:23,039
and a cartoon, and I mean there's all kinds of

875
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:27,280
stuff that bloomed from this thing, which originally was a

876
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,880
flop at the box office. Crazy, It's it's still I mean,

877
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,800
there's still talk about the reboot of Highlander, and there's

878
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,599
talk about a reboot of Flash Gordon as well. One

879
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:41,679
of the directors and this is this is the thing.

880
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:45,960
One of the directors for an animated version of Flash

881
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,280
Gordon is Taiko Wa Titi, who did Thor Ragnarok. Yeah,

882
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,679
now I want you to think about Thor Ragnarok for

883
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,480
just a second. Okay, yeah, yeah, both based on comics. Yep.

884
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:02,239
The hero arrives at a forum world and is immediately shocked.

885
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:08,079
Flash Gordon and Thor both right, and then you have

886
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,719
at the beginning of Flash Gordon people asking for his autograph.

887
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,039
Whenever he is in New York City with Loki, the

888
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,199
girls come up asking for his autograph. You get a

889
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,760
death match with a guy in green and a guy

890
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,199
who is green. You get I mean, just think about it.

891
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:28,559
Think about all these things. You ultimately team up with

892
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:33,079
a girl and a doctor to fight the evil overlord

893
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,599
who rules the world. I mean, you just look at

894
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,519
the graphics at the beginning of both of the movies

895
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:41,679
and they're very eighties. Yeah. One was made in the

896
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,320
eighties and one was made to look like it was

897
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,280
in the eighties. They both steal like a flying vehicle.

898
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:52,400
They both have a guy who gets his eyes ripped out. Yeah,

899
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,679
and then it ends with both of them with a

900
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:57,239
bald guy getting stabbed through the.

901
00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:01,559
Speaker 2: Torso, holy cow, Thor Ragner is flashboardon.

902
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: I think that ty Taiko Waktiti is the perfect guy

903
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,320
to be directing the flash Gordon Virgion.

904
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm all in, let's do it. Yeah, Okay, before we

905
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:11,719
get to final judgment D I just want to throw

906
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,000
in a couple of tidbits that I found really interesting. Okay, Okay,

907
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,119
here's a couple of things for you from Holander. Okay.

908
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:21,480
The climax takes place on top of the Silver Cup

909
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:24,599
Studios building. It was originally supposed to take place on

910
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:28,079
top of the statue of Larty X Men. Yeah. Also,

911
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,599
according to the cast and crew, anytime they were in Scotland,

912
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,079
good chance, Sean Connery was drunk.

913
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: He was only there for a week and they were.

914
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,199
Speaker 2: Seven days and he couldn't lay off the song.

915
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: Either Scotland or Wales. Apparently Sean Connery used to gather

916
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:50,880
everyone around for like these meetings during the day and

917
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,079
explain to them what was going wrong with the movie.

918
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:58,159
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. The scene where the Kurgan actually

919
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,599
kills Ramirez kicked send the door at the castle. The

920
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,639
rocks look styrofoam ish, also wood door, but we're willing

921
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,320
to forgive the practical effects. Yes, but when Clancy Brown

922
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,079
came through that door, he swung his sword too low.

923
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,159
He took out the candelabra on the table and almost

924
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:21,559
took out Sean Connery. Conrie was pissed and walked off

925
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,840
the set and said, I'm out of here, right, I'm

926
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,239
not going to get killed for this movie, right, And

927
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,119
Clancy Brown was like, oh man, he felt really terrible

928
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,159
and apologized and they came back and did it again.

929
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,719
But it was it was a bad dealer for a

930
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,079
little bit.

931
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,199
Speaker 1: So you know the scene that's that they're sitting on

932
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,960
the stairway like that, Ramirez and MacLeod are sitting on

933
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,519
a stairway talking. Yes, they were sitting on the exact

934
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:50,199
part of the stairway that would later fall away, okay,

935
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,599
And so they're literally sitting on something that's being held

936
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:57,559
up with pins, like I think it had to improve

937
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,440
the intensity of that scene that they're just like this

938
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,760
could give way any second and we could fall to

939
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,480
our deaths.

940
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: I also heard at the end of Highlander, like once

941
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,159
you claimed the prize that it like released a dragon

942
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:14,639
that you had to defeat, Like there's this other challenge, right,

943
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,199
like take that dude's head. And then also boom, there's

944
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:17,840
a dragon.

945
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:19,159
Speaker 1: That show sounds like Super Mario Brothers.

946
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 2: One of the things that I was just gonna mention.

947
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,760
This is just a side note. This is not a tidbit.

948
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,679
McLeod falls in love and Mary's and ages with Heather,

949
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,360
and then you flash forward for five hundred years and

950
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,400
he has a little fling with Brenda. You have this

951
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:40,320
love scene yep, and then the next like it hard

952
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,800
cuts to him telling her I can't get involved. Yeah, right,

953
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:47,559
which is what everyone wants to hear. Oh, last night

954
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:49,639
was okay, but today we're not involved.

955
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting her line to him, which I mean,

956
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:58,239
I don't know how well she really is going to

957
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,039
know him at that point, but she taught. She says,

958
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:04,440
most people are afraid to die, you're afraid to live. Right,

959
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,760
that's telling about his character. Yeah, he is a guy who,

960
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,079
because he has seen the loss of people that he's

961
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,159
loved over and over, has decided to hold himself up

962
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:18,400
until all of this is, you know, over, until the

963
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,840
final battle happens, right right, right, except he may go

964
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,800
watch a wrestling match.

965
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:26,559
Speaker 2: You gotta do something at four hundred years.

966
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: Yes, And I mean, of course the guy who has

967
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,119
been trained in swordsmanship and other warfare for the last

968
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:36,800
four hundred years would be incredibly interested in fake rest.

969
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:43,679
Speaker 2: Are you cool with his hair? I mean, he's got

970
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:44,920
this funky eighties cut.

971
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,199
Speaker 1: It's even call it an eighties cut. It's just like

972
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,760
a French guy in haircut herself.

973
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:58,559
Speaker 2: Like he went to sports clips. Okay, flashback to flash Gordon. Okay,

974
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,480
they got to the end scene. He didn't know how

975
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:03,119
to wrap it right, oh right, And they're standing around

976
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,320
improving a twenty million dollar movie. They're like, okay, Soming

977
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,440
uses his ring to disappear, and then what like, how

978
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:12,039
do how do we celebrate this ending?

979
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:12,599
Speaker 1: Right?

980
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 2: And Sam Jones goes, I got it, I got it.

981
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:28,119
Just film this and so that giant jump, yeah, that's

982
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:30,320
all impact, right his idea.

983
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: So he's got the two best football ideas in the movie.

984
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:35,159
Speaker 2: They're great. It worked.

985
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: Are you ready for final judgment?

986
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: Let's move into final judgment.

987
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've you've segued perfectly on why I like

988
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:47,639
Highlander better than Flash Cordon. We are bond to the

989
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:54,800
kings with the prison Okay, I mean, in addition to

990
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,480
all of the other imperfections that we've discussed, Flash Gordon

991
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,639
is the same at the end of the movie that

992
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,719
he was at the beginning of the movie. He's a

993
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,360
football star. He's a football star who's people are asking

994
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,559
autographs from Who's gonna fly and save the plane? He's

995
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:13,880
a football star who knocks out the competition in the

996
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,519
chamber with the football game. He tackles over and at

997
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:20,519
the end he's spiking the ball and doing celebration in

998
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:24,360
the end zone. There's no change, there's no movement in

999
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,400
his character. So what so that makes a boring story.

1000
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:33,400
You've gotta have some sort of transition, Whereas in Highlander,

1001
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:36,719
you you take a guy who's given up on love,

1002
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,519
who's hold himself up because he can't let himself love

1003
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,199
people because it's too hard to watch them die, who

1004
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:51,239
decides even before he has won the competition I'm gonna

1005
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,480
let myself open up again and love someone again. He

1006
00:53:55,639 --> 00:54:01,280
falls for another girl and it is it is her

1007
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,599
who ends up saving him in the fight. Do you

1008
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,559
remember he's about to die, the Kurgan is about to

1009
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:12,719
kill him, and she comes in and saves the day. Okay,

1010
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,440
And then that allows him once he wins the battle,

1011
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,519
that allows him to become mortal and to share the

1012
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:25,480
love that he had long for before with Heather, share

1013
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:29,159
that with her. He has the transition. They're out on

1014
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,880
the Scottish Highlands living life. You have a transition from

1015
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,079
the with the character on this one, you have the

1016
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:40,360
hero's journey, whereas with Flash Gordon you have Flash Yeah.

1017
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so let me just say I don't

1018
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,760
give an f about transition. Okay, Flash Gordon is perfect

1019
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,199
from the moment he shows up. He is a stud

1020
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,400
football player who is a leader and interested in being

1021
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,199
a great dude, and he brings that humanity to all

1022
00:54:59,239 --> 00:54:59,880
of Mongo.

1023
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:09,599
Speaker 1: Okay, Mungo, just a pond, Okay, Flash Gordon.

1024
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: Yes it's goofy, Yes it's campy, But as our friend

1025
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:17,199
Pat Catadella says, you've got to appreciate the awesomeness you

1026
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,480
have the over the top Brian blessed. You have great

1027
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:23,719
supporting actors at Max Fonsido and Timothy Dalton. You have

1028
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,360
the sexiest woman in the universe. You have all this awesomeness,

1029
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,840
and I think you have the perfect fifth grade boy fantasy. Okay,

1030
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,880
you have stud football player, shows up, saves the universe,

1031
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,599
gets the girl, defeats the bad guy, and not only

1032
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:44,719
all that, he's honored, right, Prince Baron says, we owe

1033
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,360
everything to Flash at the end of the movie. He's

1034
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,679
like the greatest guy in the entire universe. It's every

1035
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,800
young boys fantasy. I love Highlander two and it's goofy

1036
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:59,079
and campy and awesome Land also Highlander. Also, I did

1037
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:00,280
not love Hollander too.

1038
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: Greg Wyden said that there was a period in the

1039
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,679
early nineties that he had to change his name to Hi,

1040
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,159
I'm Greg Wydon. No, I didn't write Highlander two.

1041
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: That's awesome. So anyway, Highlander's great, and I love it

1042
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,199
for what it is. It's just Flash Gordon to me,

1043
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,320
it's it's almost the perfect movie. It's so fun. It's

1044
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:26,880
absolute full throttle fun. By the way, depth by the way.

1045
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,599
According to Brian Blessed. The Queen of England's favorite movie

1046
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:31,760
is Flash Gordon.

1047
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: He met her, He met the Queen of England, and

1048
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,159
she's like, Oh, we love your movie house. We watch

1049
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:43,880
it all the time. Could you please say Gordon's line,

1050
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:49,920
Gordon's line, Oh, thank you so much, Gordon's line.

1051
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: Let's hear from you. Guys, Where are you on this?

1052
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,719
Is it Flash Gordon or is it Highlander? Here we are,

1053
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,639
princess of the universe. We are the one, the only one.

1054
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,239
We are the Gods of Kingdom. Come all right, guys,

1055
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,960
come back next week. We're gonna dive into Dumb and

1056
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,599
Dumber versus something about Mary that's gonna be.

1057
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: Why not?

1058
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 2: Why not?

1059
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: God