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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just

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Hey Molly. Last week when we were on, just as

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we were on, a story broke about the ice shooting

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in Minnesota of a I think i'll call her, an

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activist named Renee Good by an Ice agent. It was

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a huge story. Everyone was on the internet doing forensic

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investigations of the video, you know what I mean, and

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a big argument broke out about whether the shooting was

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justified legally or not. What was your first reaction when

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you saw that?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, first reaction is just how awful it is

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to see because you know, the way the story broke

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is that people were posting video and I don't care

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who these people are, It's just awful to see someone

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get shot and killed. I don't want to see things

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like that, and I don't like how it in this case.

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It just kept coming over and over and over again,

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and so it was hard to watch for the reason

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of just loving your fellow man and hating to see

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a violent loss of life. And then it became something

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that you had to keep watching again because of what

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you just said. Everyone had decided that they knew exactly

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what was in the mind of both of the ICE

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agent who shot the activist and the activist who was

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in the car, and there were so many details in

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play that were newsworthy that I had to keep watching

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it just to kind of get a feel for what

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had happened. Not great, but it's weird also to have

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so much video from so many different angles of something

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like this, and further reporting that explains this situation. So

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ICE is carrying out efforts to enforce our country's immigration

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laws throughout the country, but in certain states they get

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assistance from local and state government, and in other places

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they get actual opposition and hostility, which just blows me

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away that it's like the segregated South or something that

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we're dealing with of certain governments actually trying to fight

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federal agents as they enforce the country's laws, and it's

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been kind of tolerated in a weird way that clearly

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is leading to people getting hurt or killed. But anyway,

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Minnesota is one of those places where the government of

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Minnesota is trying to be hostile style to the federal

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government's law enforcement efforts, and so they're having to kind

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of ramp up the federal enforcement. And I just want

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to say a lot of people are like, why are

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they sending federal agents to Minnesota to enforce immigration laws?

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Which is kind of surprising to me that that's even

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a question. ICE has had a presence in Minnesota for

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decades since ICE was formed in the I believe poorly

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designed Patriot Act, and they're having to ramp up there

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because of the hostility from the other government. Sorry, I'm

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getting too far afield, but I feel like sometimes the

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background is important. And then there are really well coordinated,

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well funded volunteer efforts to interfere with law enforcement, and

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they're very open and honest about it. We are trying

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to interfere with law enforcement, and that has also been

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tolerated in a weird way that it just does not

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make sense to me. And Renee Good was part of

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this activist network of people trying to interfere with lawful

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with law enforcement that is engaged in lawful proceedings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with all that, I think that the

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hysteria around iis in some sense caused this. People feel

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licensed to just act against law enforcement in ways that

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are incredibly dangerous for themselves. I unlike most people. I

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don't know if the ICE agent was legally justified in shooting,

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but I think that a few things can be true.

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At once. Renee Good acted very poorly. She was, obviously,

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from what we've learned later, intent on disrupting law enforcement efforts.

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Hitting the gas on your car when you're surrounded by cops,

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I don't care what kind of cops they are, is

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going to end tragically, probably for you in most cases.

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And her actions were completely irresponsible. Was that like, I'm

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not a thousand per se even though my instinct is

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to side with the officer, because you know, everyone's slow

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mowing the video, I don't. I think that doesn't benefit

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the ICE agent When you slow mow it down. It

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looks like he has all this time to think about

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what's going on, but he really doesn't. He's making a

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split second decision about whether he's in imminent danger or not.

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I don't know if he was or not, but he's

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not the person who created that situation. When people say, oh, what,

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like you mentioned, why are they even there. Well, they're

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there because they we passed laws, and we have those laws,

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and we have an agency that is a law enforcement

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agency whose purview is to enforce those laws, and that's

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why they're there. You know, if you don't like it,

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you have to go to your politician overturn those laws,

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go to court if they're doing something you think is illegal.

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Then there's this whole thing where the people who are

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sure it was murder keep calling it murder. She was executed,

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she was assassinated. You know, this is just nonsense. It's

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clear to me. I don't think she trying to run

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him over. Frankly, I think she was just trying to

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get away or something from what I've seen. I also

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don't think it's in any way a murder. I think,

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you know, there's this officer felt in danger. I think

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that that's fair to say. So, I don't know. Those

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were my feelings on it. I think it's tragic. I

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think a lot of this has to do with this,

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I don't know, misplaced anger and activism against ICE. Yeah,

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do some ICE agents probably behave poorly? Yeah? We always

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you know, it's not utopia and people act in ways

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they shouldn't. But in this case, it seems to me

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it was just something tragic that happened, fueled by anti

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ICE hysteria.

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Speaker 2: We've had so many incidences of left wing activists, prompted

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by the leaders of their of the Democrat Party and

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the left wing movements in general, going to ICE facilities

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or going to ICE operations, attempting to harm ICE officers.

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where a left wing activist went on the roof of

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an ICE building or some building and tried to kill

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ICE agents and accidentally killed two illegal immigrants that were

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in detention with ICE. But that doesn't change the fact

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that he was trying to murder ICE agents and just

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managed to murder his beloved illegal immigrants. There have been,

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you know, in La there were efforts to cause physical

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harm to ICE agents who have Antifa outposts in Texas again,

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who have been trying to kill ICE agents. So it's

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not like it's going to become a problem. It's been

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a problem all year, and I'm a little frustrated with

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the DOJ which has no problem going after every like

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depressed uncle and elderly grandma who entered the Capitol and

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destroying their lives, but for some reason hasn't really done

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anything on Antifa and other left wing domestic terrorist organizations

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like this one that is giving people instructions on how

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to disrupt law enforcement. And Jade Vance spoke at a

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press conference last week, and I really appreciated what he

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had to say. It's very simple, but he was saying,

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if you don't like our country's immigration laws, you have

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every right to protest them. If you don't like the

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way that we are enforcing those laws, you have every

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right to protest them. And that is First Amendment protected activity.

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And interfering with law enforcement is not First Amendment protected activity.

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Because you hear some people in the media and other

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Democrats be like she was a protester, Well, what she

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was doing was not protesting. It was interfering with law

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enforcement activity. And there's not a place in the world

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where you get to do that without consequences. And I'm

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not saying it should be a capital offense to do this,

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but she was in her car, she was with her

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very aggressive partner who was telling her to drive, who

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herself said I'm the like I'm to blame her for

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her getting shot, because I was the one like doing

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all this stuff to get her to do this. She

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was aggressive, she was in a vehicle, which is a

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dangerous weapon when there can be a dangerous weapon, and

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she hit the officer. There's so many things I want

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to say really quickly here, and I don't want to

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forget the part about how the media portrayed her hitting

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the officer with her vehicle. But this is happening in Minneapolis,

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where they that was like ground zero of the BLM riots.

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And you might remember that Antifa and other left wing

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Democrat organizations literally burned down the seventh Precinct police precinct

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in Minneapolis and then wrote a guide for other people

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about how they too could burn down and take over

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police buildings. Hold On, and the BLM riots happened because

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the left wing, including the media, claimed that black men

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were uniquely at risk from basically that police were out

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there trying to kill black men. And I don't feel

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like enough people have commented on how this was a

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white woman who felt entitled to hit a police officer

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with her car to interfere with law enforcement and thought

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that nothing would happen to her. I mean to me.

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Either side could kind of work with this, either pointing

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out that in fact, if you behave this way, it

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doesn't matter if you're black or white, you're putting yourself

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at risk, or the people who are professional racemongers could

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point out how entitled she was acting in a way

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that you know, supposedly no black person would ever act,

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not like I believe that's true. And also because of

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the BLM riots in Minneapolis, I just don't care about

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left wing domestic terrorists. I don't care. I don't like

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not trying to trying to feel what do they feel

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and listen to their side of things. They destroyed the country.

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Dozens of people were killed in the BLM riots, two

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billion dollars in damage in the BLM riots, and the

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response of the elites in our country were for Mitt

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Romney to go march with them, for corporations to turn

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over one hundred billion dollars in racist and other extreme funding.

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You know, BLM said you you can pay reparations to

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us or to other groups, you can support radical transactivism

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or racist hiring practices, and then we'll, you know, will

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sort of absolve you of your sin. And corporations went

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along with it, and I'm still angry about it. I mean,

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when when Trump won election, all these corporations tried to

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meet with non leftist media and stuff, and they were like,

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we just want you to know that we're sort of

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like not doing that anymore. And every single meeting, I

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would look up how many millions or billions of dollars

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they gave as part of the BLM shakedown and I'd say, Okay, well,

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you gave one hundred million for this, and you set

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up this program for this. What are you doing for us?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we're just getting out of the business of

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race mongering and pushing political activism. Oh you are, how

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convenient after spending a billion dollars on it? Thank you, Megacorp.

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls says he's going to call out the National

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Guard to oppose the federal government. Like you said, you

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compared this to the South in the sixties. I mean,

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that's what this is. I says, every right to be there,

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and you don't have a right to try to run

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Speaker 2: Okay, Can I just say, David, There were a lot

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of left wingers on Twitter and other social media saying like,

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I can't believe people would look at this law enforcement

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shooting and think that this was anything other than a

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warrantless execution of an innocent woman and other people, I

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think probably the vast majority of Americans look at this

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and go ooh, like wish that hadn't happened. But she

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behaved very recklessly, and he didn't know she wasn't. I mean,

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we don't know anything. Maybe she was trying to kill him.

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I don't know. I don't think so. But you certainly

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can't expect a guy who's just been hit by a

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vehicle to know the state of mind of the driver

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who has been repeatedly defying police commands. I mean they

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repeatedly tell her to get out of the car, and

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her partner says drive, baby, drive or whatever, and she

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peels out of there. After spending hours, days, weeks interfering

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with law enforcement. It's not like this just was. As

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some Democrats said, this was a woman who was just

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dropping her kid off at school and ice assassinated her. No,

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not true. She was her child went to a activist school,

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a charter activist school that's known for pushing left wing activism.

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quite some time trying to interfere with law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Just you know, when I became a parent, I started

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acting differently. I felt a little different about the world.

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I felt like I had a responsibility to my kids, so

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I didn't go out and do the dangerous things that

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I did when I was younger. Do you know what

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I'm saying? Like, I don't think she deserved to be killed, obviously,

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but she put herself in a very bad situation. And

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I had liberals yelling at me too, like or people

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who said this was an execution. This is a woman

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in a Honda pilot. So what Honda pilot is a weapon?

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die because of Honda pilots.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that what you see is related

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to what you believe. That was something you know you'd see.

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I've never seen anything like this. Different people see different things,

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and I actually think they're seeing the exact same thing,

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but they're just interpreting it differently based on whether they

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support rule of law or not. So if you think

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this is an evil, racist, despicable country with horrible laws,

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and that we are living in a fascist state with

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a tyranny under Donald Trump. You see this and you go,

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how could they shoot her? Right if you think that

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we are a generally good country with generally good laws,

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and that if you don't like the laws, you have

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a number of ways to protest those laws, and that

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that doesn't involve interfering with legal law enforcement proceedings. You say, oh,

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this was a bad situation and she behaved poorly and

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now she lost her life. Do you know what I'm saying? Like,

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you're not necessarily seeing different things, You're just interpreting them

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differently based on whether you support the law or not.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think part of it? So someone told me, well,

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lift the situation and transpose it into a different one,

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like say this was a drug starle or just a

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traffic stop. Would you say the same thing? And I

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honestly tried to think about it that way, and I

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would say the same thing. I think if a car

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tore out in sidestriped you, a cop who had stopped

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you on a highway, cop might shoot you. You know,

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same feeling about it, kind of unsure if it was

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legally justified, but understanding why the cop did it. If

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that makes sense. I don't know how about you.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have a very good example. I mean it's sad,

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but a very good example to look at, which is

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the shooting and killing of Ashley Babbitt and when that

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happened on January sixth. Contrary to what the media and

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other left wingers have said, the only person killed that

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day was not a police officer. It was a protester.

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engaged in unlawful behavior, right like she gets shot while

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trying to come through a broken window, I think in

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the Capitol.

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you. I have the same exact

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thoughts on that. When you have a mob banging at

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the door and you're inside protecting people and you don't

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know what's going to happen, maybe you're not legally justified

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in the end, you know, technically, but I can understand

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why a cop would react that way in this It's

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almost the same situation for me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I think a lot of people said, oh,

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I really wish that everything about how that protest was

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done were handled differently on both sides, right like it was.

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like that was awful and also probably be like, probably

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that cop didn't need to shoot her, but how did

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he know that in that moment? Right? And turned out

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he was someone who was not with the most stellar record,

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and that the management of the Capitol Police force at

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that time was not great. You know, there's a lot

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you can complain about, but you never saw a single after,

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you know, day after protest action over the killing of

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Ashley Babbitt from conservatives. And it's not because they loved

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that she was killed. It's because they understood the complexity

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of the situation, right, And as the Biden, Merritt, Garland

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DOJ handled everything about that so poorly and in a

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way that was in no way equivalent to how they've

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handled previous protest actions. I think people got more and

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more upset about and the lies. You know, they would

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say Donald Trump personally murdered six police officers. Not a

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single one was killed, right, The only person killed was

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Ashley Babbitt, or you could say that other protesters were

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trampled or had heart attacks and things from how it

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was handled that day. But you didn't see any corporations,

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like you know, calling for money to be given to

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Ashley Babbitt's people, or you didn't see any in the

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street protests in LA or New York or Iowa. You know,

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you didn't see anything like you see now. You didn't

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see Republican members of Congress getting out there and saying

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this Capitol police force is a fascist regime that is

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executing citizens. You just didn't see literally anything that you're

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seeing from not just left wing activists, but they're Democrat

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elected representatives, right, even from people who are on more

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of a fringe on the Republican side. And because like

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you shouldn't you shouldn't you know, you shouldn't put yourself

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in stitution. Like the whole of civil society is enabled

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through proper administration of justice, including at the law enforcement level.

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And you can't just walk around acting like you don't

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need to obey when a cop tells you to. When

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you're engaged in a law breaking activity and a cop

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tells you to do something, you can't just act like

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that's not something you have to follow.

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Speaker 1: And no matter how passionate you are about something, you

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still have to use common sense. I know this sounds weird,

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but you know, I tell when you teach your kids,

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my kid will say I, you know, learning how to drive.

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I had the right of way, but you still look,

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a car could come and hit you. Like you don't

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put yourself in situations, especially when you have children, for

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God's sakes, that it's going to, you know, put you

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in danger. They want the left wants this to be

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a new George Floyd. Right, they want protests on it.

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I don't think that's happening because of the because it's

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a different time, right, and also the situation's different.

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Speaker 2: By the way, when the yeah, very like troubled life

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of George Floyd came to its sad end, and everyone

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said that this was evidence of how evil America is

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and how irredeemably racist we are, and every media person

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amplified this. You had all the left wingers in Minneapolis

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marching in solidarity, including their mayor Jacob Frye, who went

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through a Chinese struggle session on video because he was white.

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And I did notice, and I realized, it's the dead

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of winter in Minneapolis, and I wouldn't want to be

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there in the dead of winter. But when a white

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lady got killed by a cop, I did not see

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that solidarity from the brothers and sisters of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Did you notice that, Well, we can't hide from this issue.

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woman who was shot, the dynamic here would be probably

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much different. It would be colder. I don't know if

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the cop was black or white, not that people usually sure,

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but yeah, there's no denying that, even though you know,

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from my perspective, I don't think the George Floyd there

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was no evidence ever that I ever saw that the

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George Floyd killing had anything to do with race. I

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know this bothers people, but it just it's just a

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fact for me. Yeah, and it is what it.

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Speaker 2: Is, Okay. I just want to also say the media

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has behaved horribly in this story, absolutely liing. What was it,

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I think it was The Washington Post had a thing

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that said, there's no evidence that the police officer was

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hit when on the again the slow mode video, you

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can see the vehicle hit him literally. So they're just

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willing to lie brazenly about everything, and all under the

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banner of experts. Say as if you can't find like,

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we've been living under ten years of experts being wrong

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about literally everything, to the point that it's actually something

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of a crisis. I think and the media rather than

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restoring trust is like, what if we just kept going

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with these hoaxes and scams that we're running, And it's

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really reprehensible. And also I'm very glad you know, the

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moment this happened at the Federalist, we're all normal people.

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We look at this and we're like, oh, this is

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sad or horrible. We also understood that at that moment

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that happened, the media would be marching in print and

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video in lockstep with the most extreme elements of their

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political party. And so we just got out there immediately

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being like, you're not gonna You're not gonna Derek Chauvin,

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this guy, you know, and you have to learn from

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previous information and disinformation operations put out by the left

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and realize, like, you can't, you can't give in to

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these people for a minute. They're monsters. Like if I

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can do a little segue really quickly. It reminds me

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of when the Washington Post came out against Kavanaugh and

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they sort of tried to accuse him of attempted rape

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and murder when he was a high school student. And

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I'm on, you know, I was on some of these

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like supposedly conservative journalist chat groups, and the moment that

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came out, there were some people associated with some ostensibly

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conservative publications and stuff who's like, Oh, this looks really bad,

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this looks really bad. Trump should probably get ready to

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put a different nominee out. And I just immediately flashback

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to being a preteen teenager. I can't remember when it happened,

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exactly in the Clarence Thomas hearings, and exactly the same

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thing happened. The media conspired with other Democrat partisans to

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smear Clarence Thomas of what now is a much lesser crime,

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but at the time was horrific of sexual harassment. And

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I saw how the operation went down, and I was like, well,

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they're not going to do this, Like I'm not. Maybe

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Brett Kavanaugh, respected federal judge of twelve years, is secretly

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a rapist and murderer. Maybe that's true, but I'm sure

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as hell not going to take the Washington Post's word

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for it. They're gonna have to do a lot better

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than running one of these operations while they're still running

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all sorts of other hoaxes like the Russia collusion hoax,

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and people who are not left wing need to be

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smarter about the information wars that we're in and immediately understand,

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you know, what's at stake, like for the whole country

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if you don't stand strong against left wing terrorism.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Washington Post, yeah, they reported that analysis suggests

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there is no clear evidence from the footage that he

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was hit or in imminent danger. Now, the first part

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of that is completely wrong because I watched the video

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and he was clearly sideswiped right.

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Speaker 2: And the second is very subjective.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly that can be. I don't know what experts

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how an expert can can judge that in the moment,

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especially without seeing the full context of what happened. I

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don't know what the woman said, for instance, I don't

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know what she did five minutes before, or how she acted.

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What if she said I have a gun. I mean,

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you don't know what she said. So I don't know

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how you can make that kind of determination. I would

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also just quickly say we can debate this another time.

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I think experts are right about plenty of things, and

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that the Kavanaugh thing, Yeah, I sniffed that out right away.

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Like you said, it is exactly the same playbook, just

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for a much more serious crime that they use for

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Clarence Thomas. It was clear from the beginning. I thought

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the Post was supposed to improve. They haven't so Amazon.

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Amazon guys said they're gonna they're gonna be better.

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Speaker 2: I actually think they're probably marginally better. It's just that

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when you're when you've got cancer, being ten percent better

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is not what you're looking for. You're looking for complete

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healing and eradication of the badness.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think they brought some decent people onto the

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editorial board, but I'm not sure, you know if that

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means that news coverage is good, because quite often a papers,

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even when you have a decent editorial board, the news I.

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Speaker 2: Think, I don't know who's all been brought on, but

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I assume that it's still a total grand total of

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one person at the entire Washington Post organization who voted

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for Trump, and that's Mark Tieson, who's great but not

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a representative of the like average MAGA voter himself. Probably,

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you know what I mean, Like there's they are so

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far out there and people have this battered wife syndrome

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where they act like it's okay to be treated like

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you are not just a second class citizen but like

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a fourth class citizen by your elite institutions, and I'm

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done with it. But go on, we should move.

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Speaker 1: I mean when I say it's good or the people

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are good, I mean they're good for me. I like

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them because they're free market fans, don't you know. I

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don't care they vote.

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Speaker 2: That is good, But I like that.

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Speaker 1: But I get But I get what you're saying. I mean,

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you have a two time president and yet you can

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barely get even on boards that they're trying to be

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fair someone who actually supports the guy. That's weird, right,

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It's not reflective of what's going on in the country.

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So I get that as well.

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Speaker 3: This is Molly Hemingway encouraging you to listen to my

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favorite podcast, Issues, et cetera. Every day you get in

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depth interviews with host Todd Wilkin, asking expert guests substantive

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Speaker 2: Of our day.

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Speaker 3: The expert guests in culture, law, ethics, philosophy, theology, and apologetics.

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Expert guests expansive topics, always extolling christ issues, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about Jerome Powell, Yeah, just briefly,

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so the DOJ is a grand jury out. It has

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something to do with what is it that's something with

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a building and misappropriation, maybe a funding or something.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, I think it might be about lying to

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Congress about the funding. So the Federal Reserve is building

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a new building. They were appropriated certain amount of funds.

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It is going way over budget. It's becoming like a

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luxury building process that has been poorly managed, which is

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one thing that happens all the time in DC probably,

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But Jerome Powell had been asked about it in Congress

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and had apparently you can say, misled or lied about

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the cost overruns, why they exist, what's being done about it?

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And there is an investigation going on into the funding

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and we're talking like billions of dollars of overruns, Like

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it's not like twenty thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars.

494
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It's a really big boondoggle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, to me, the smacks of law fair, right.

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I just don't buy that this kind of thing would

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happen to someone that the administration wasn't trying to pressure

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if they had spoken to Congress and said what he

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had said. Obviously, Trump doesn't like Pally wants interest rates

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lower than the FED has them at for his own reasons.

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I feel like I have a decent grasp of economics,

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but the FED is sometimes a mystery to me. I

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think they've done an okay job, it seems to me,

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but I'm no expert on it, because it's a mystery

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to me, right why they do what they do sometimes,

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But this is not the way to deal with that,

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and I think it cheapens in a way and undermines

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legitimate investigations that should be going on against Komy or whatever.

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It makes it look like the administrative DJ is acting

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in a partisan way rather than going after people really

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deserve it. In my view, I don't know, that's my

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impression of it.

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Speaker 2: What about you, I don't actually know. I don't know

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about the grand jury why it was called. Those are

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usually secret proceedings. Jerome Powell chose to go public with things,

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so there's I truly have no idea if your allegation

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that it's law fair is in any.

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Speaker 1: Way I said, it's smacks of it. I mean, there

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could be something in there I don't know about, but

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seems unlikely to me the way he has reacted. Thinking

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about like you, said, we have a federal judge for

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nineteen years. We have a guy here. Everyone knows. He

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seems I'm not saying, maybe he's He seems like an

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upstanding guid to me, whether it's making no Jerome Powell, Yeah,

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he seems like a guy who's trying. You could laugh.

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He seems like a guy who's trying to do the

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right thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. No, No, I mean, listen, I'm I do.

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I'm for the independence. I actually I'm not even a

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huge fan of these secret central banks. But assuming that

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we're not debating that issue, I actually think there's not

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just something to be said, but a lot to be

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said for the independence of that Now, in a constitutional republic,

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nothing is truly independent, because that would mean that it

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would be tyrannical and that the people would have no

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means of holding people accountable. But I just want to explain,

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like I'm generally in favor of independence if it were lawfair.

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If it is found to be lawfair, that's not good.

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But a Jerome Powell is one of the most partisan

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hacks leading that bank in a long time, repeatedly did

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things to help out Joe Biden, his you know, beloved

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Joe Biden to make the enemy seems stronger than it was,

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and has on the other hand, been pumping the brakes

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on everything for Trump. And that is something that a

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lot of people have observed. It's not like he's some

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big like people. Even the way he comes out with

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this like weird video the other night and he's like, so,

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by the way, I am the most honest person in

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the history of the world, and what's happening here is

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law fair. And the US Attorney for the District of

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Columbia came out. He's like, they're trying to criminally indict me,

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and so he's the one who reveals the grand jury

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proceedings and the subpoena that had been sent his way.

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And there were two comments that I thought were interesting.

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One came from the US Attorney of the District of

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Columbia and she's like, we never went public with this.

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We're just trying to get documents and the Federal Reserve

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has refused to hand them over, so there's not much

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we can do here other than subpoena them. And then

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the other comment came from a former administration official who

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said agencies get subpoenas every year and it doesn't become

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some big production with like a woe is Me video

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from most people. You just comply with the subpoena. And

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so while agreeing with you about the need for the

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independence of the Central Bank and not to be cowed

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to political pressure, I just want to point out again

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Jrome Powell hasn't done that. And also independence does not

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mean that you get to do literally whatever you want,

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including misappropriation of funds and lying under oath about it

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without legal repercussions. You can't have a central bankhead be

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above the law, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want him to be above the law.

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I just told you that. My sense is that this

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is politically motivated to pressure him to do things. Obviously

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Trump dislikes him very much and people in the administration

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dislike him. I disagree with you about what you said

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about his sort of partisan leanings, but that's fine. I

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agree with you. Also, the FED independence is just convention,

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it is not law. There not independent so that you

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know they're not above the law, but it's prudent, just

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like you want to let the AG uphold law and

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not be too partisan with that. You know them, you

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know with ags, you don't want to be two partisan.

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Speaker 2: I just think maybe instead of making a video, he

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should just turn over the.

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Speaker 1: But you have the president attacking that guy constantly, and

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then you have a subpoena, So I can understand why

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he would feel like he's under attacked from the administration. Well,

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he don't want him, they don't want him there.

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Speaker 2: He without evidence, accused Trump of like personally leading this investment.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard what Trump says about him? I mean,

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he does personally attack him all.

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Speaker 2: The time, all the time. He's very transparent about it.

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And that's why I'll point out that when they were like,

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what do you think about this subpoena of Jerome Powell,

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He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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And I just kind of assumed that because he's so

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open about his hatred for Jerome Powell, that if he

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did know about it, he'd like make the case for it,

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you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I do not think that Donald Trump ordered someone to

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go move forward with this. I do not I think that.

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Speaker 2: But maybe you're saying someone did it because they thought

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it would please the leader.

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Speaker 1: Not even please him, but to put you know, to

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help him. And you know, I don't know what their

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motivations were. I mean that it just feels like that

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I don't we don't know everything, just like you know

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when when Russia Gate stuff happened. And I'm not comparing

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this to the same level or anything, but you know,

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you feel like the timing is a little too perfect,

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the way things are falling, the things that Trump's saying,

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so on and so on.

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Speaker 2: I was on TV earlier this week on Fox, and

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Stuart Varney had exactly your perspective. He's like including, He

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was like, the health of the stock market is way

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too important to bother Jerome Powell with an investigation or whatever.

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And then he cuts to the guy on on the

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panel and I forget who this guy. I forget his name,

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and I'm sorry about it, but he was like, sure,

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understand what you're saying. And also, if this guy headed

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any other agency and had overseen billions of dollars of

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you know, potentially fraudulent expenses, there's no question that he

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would be under indictment.

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Speaker 1: Oh please, Every department has billions over and looks like

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it looks like if it were in the private.

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Speaker 2: In a proper way, you know what I mean, Like

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you're supposed to you're supposed to at least do a

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fig leaf of oh, I didn't mean this.

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Speaker 1: I bet you could find something similar and probably far worse,

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in every agency in government. Here's my thing. If Jerome

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Powell is doing what Trump wants, is this investigation going forward? Probably,

633
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I would sense. I don't know, but my sense is

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probably not. That's all I'm saying. It's just just theorizing.

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I don't know for sure. I can't know what the

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grand jury saw. All right, we want to talk about

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the Iranian protests.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, going, No, I mean, did you watch

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any of the stuff this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been. I've been following it. Initially I was listen.

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Though I am on the side of the Ranian people.

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You never know what's sure or not. We don't have

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good reporting there. But now I think yes, for people

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I've spoken to, I think I trust on this that

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this is real, that it is widespread, even to places

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that typically you know, because it's largely urban people who

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rebel against the mulahs and clerics. Now this has spread

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to places that are more rural. I also believe, though

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I don't know what that number would be, that thousands

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of people could be anywhere from two to twenty thousand

651
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people have probably been killed, tons have been arrested. I

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don't you know. Donald Trump is obviously on the side

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of the Ranian protesters. He's threatened military action against the

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clerics in Iran. I don't know what the right policy is.

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I will say this, it is unless there's an eternal

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coup or some kind of internal upheaval in government in Iran,

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it's going to be very difficult to have a successful

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revolution there or external like we start bombing and force them.

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But I would say that there's the Shah, remember so

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he left years ago to save himself and to probably

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save his people from a civil war. You had Asad

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left Syria recently to save himself. The Mullahs are built differently.

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They have an apocalyptic idea special to Shia there who

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run that country. It is very it seems unlikely to

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me that they would leave until everything was burning, right,

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and so that makes it a very difficult situation. They're

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not rational people, So I don't know where this goes.

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But I think anyone who cares about human rights is

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on the side of protesters and against the Mulahs. And

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as you've noticed, the people who pretend to be for

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for human rights and gods and elsewhere are silent, and

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that says a lot about their position as well.

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Speaker 2: So that just reminds me. Yeah, I did not watch

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the Grammys, but I saw a couple of stories about

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the wait, not the Grammys.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Golden Globes, Golden Globes. Sorry, it's okay, same same crap.

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Speaker 2: And one of the stories was about the different political

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pins that people wore, and yeah, there was nothing for

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the Iranian people even as we have you know, a

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massive so the government of Iran. Iran has shut down

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all communications. It's very hard to find out what's going on,

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which is not what a good government does first off,

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and there are reports of them killing thousands of protesters,

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and the sheep of Hollywood were still wearing pro Hamas pins.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, they're out there calling America a

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fascist state, which is funny that you can do that.

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You can go to an awards ceremony where you made

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millions of dollars that year, you're winning awards, and you're

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telling people we live in a fascist state freely without

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worry that you're going to end up in prison, unlike

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in Iran, where every single person who's marching might end

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up dead. I don't mean they're all going to end

693
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up dead. I mean there's a chance that you will. Yeah,

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you're risking your life to do it.

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Speaker 2: I think the head of the DNC is Ken Martin,

696
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and he was out there saying, if you don't like that.

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Some people are comparing the regime of Donald Trump to

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the Iranian regime. Stop being so much like the Iranian regime.

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You know, we can't speak out freely just like the

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Iranian people. It was like, you're literally tweeting right now.

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You're literally tweeting about your hatred of the current administration

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with no problems.

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Speaker 1: EXAs shut down in Iran. No one can tweet. Yeah,

704
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no one can tweet in Iran. No one can tell

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you what they think where you know, yeah, going.

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Speaker 2: I just wouldn't say that. There was one person in

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particular at the Golden Globes and her name is Hannah Einbender.

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Her mom was on the original cast SNL and her

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dad's like a big Hollywood person too, and she's this

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she plays She plays a really annoying person on this

711
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:11,960
show Hacks. Have you ever seen Hacks?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Unfortunately? Gone?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Is this one can't she doesn't have three brain cells

715
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:22,679
s rupt together. She is so stupid and she annoys

716
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,239
me so much with her She like speaks for the

717
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Jewish people, you know, and that just drives me crazy.

718
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Speaker 2: But go on, I just in addition to having bad politics,

719
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,719
it makes me mad how annoying her character is. And

720
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I don't know if it's I would normally just blame

721
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,440
this on the writers and say she's doing a very

722
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,599
good job of executing a bad character, except she plays

723
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,880
that character in real life too. I think it's actually

724
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her that destroyed an otherwise really enjoyable show with Jeane Smart.

725
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Speaker 1: I detested that show, and I'll tell you why. So

726
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:58,360
the show is like she's woke, and then her boss

727
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,199
is an old timer and tane or comedian I forget

728
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:05,599
what it is. You know, is like gruff, old fashioned

729
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:09,000
conservative supposedly who always every episode I watch. I think

730
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I watched two or three, it's the gruff old time

731
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:15,400
learns a lesson about life and the enlightened young youngster,

732
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,280
you know, woke person. It was so annoying had to

733
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,719
stop watching it, even though the performance of the lead

734
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,239
lead woman I forget her name, is is pretty good. Okay,

735
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,159
this woman is the Lorraine Newman's daughter who was in

736
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the original cast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, regime change sounds great, but what's the real

738
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story in Venezuela. The Watch Dout on Wall Street podcast

739
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,199
with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack the connection

740
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,079
between politics and the economy and how it affects your wallet.

741
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:48,920
Maduro's captured, but his entire apparatus is still there. Are

742
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,679
they truly liberated? Will the US have to cut a

743
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,920
deal with whoever's left even after this operation. Whether it's

744
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,119
happening in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting

745
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:57,800
you financially.

746
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Speaker 1: Be informed.

747
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 4: Check out the Watch Dot on Wall Street pot with

748
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christmaccaski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

749
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Speaker 2: Back to Iran, I think it's important to note that

750
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people are out in the streets protesting because they're in

751
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economic crisis and they are rejecting their Mullahs for their

752
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poor leadership of the country. I note this only because

753
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I think we frequently want people to rebel from bad systems,

754
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and my husband always notes that it's really being poor

755
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,679
that motivates people to act. Being unable to be sure

756
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that you're going to be able to feed your family

757
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:41,639
and stuff like that. And we're seeing this in Iran

758
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in the same way we saw it decades ago when

759
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they were very frustrated with their Lots of people are

760
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:49,199
frustrated with their government for not providing things. I have

761
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a friend who used to live in Iran. Oddly enough,

762
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he just happened to live there when the revolution happened,

763
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,159
and he's like, it's not prizing that this is happening

764
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in the winter. People are probably not able to heat

765
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their homes. They've been dealing with a bad economic situation

766
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for a very long period of time, and they are

767
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done with it. He's pretty optimistic that things might be

768
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happening this time, and it does seem that things are

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much better.

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Speaker 1: Well, can I currently just say, oh yeah? Political Islam

771
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is a totalitarian system that lords over all your spiritual

772
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and economic decisions. Like it's like it is a completely

773
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totalitarian system. Their economy sucks because of their radical and

774
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,760
extremist views fit on religion, because they use the country

775
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,679
as you know, for instance, their obsession with getting nuclear

776
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:52,599
weapons is driven by religious extremism. They put their country

777
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:56,000
in a terrible position constantly over this one issue, and

778
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they've done it now for you know, since the revolution,

779
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almost so they're interconnected as all. I'm trying to say.

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Iran is a rich, oil rich nation. It should not

781
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be a poor nation. Iranian people are amazing, actually, you know,

782
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and they've been oppressed. So I don't know what's going

783
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to happen. I'm always a little skeptical. It's very hard

784
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to dislodge these kind of regimes. But you say your

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friend is optimistic, so that makes it.

786
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also doesn't know because there have been

787
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previous pretty good efforts at overthrowing the regime.

788
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Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think or if you think we

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should do anything like Well, that's what.

790
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Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about. But I just want to

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say first off that if this government were to fall

792
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and be replaced with anything marginally better, I don't think

793
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people understand what a massive shift that would be globally, or.

794
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Speaker 1: People don't oh yeah, you know what.

795
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Speaker 2: You even just talked about the existential threats in the region.

796
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Speaker 1: Virtually every bad thing that's happening in the Middle East

797
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,719
goes back to Iran from the Hutis, who are you know,

798
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funded by them, which causes problems with Saudi's and so on.

799
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,800
Who are allies whether you like him or not. Obviously

800
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,800
hamas his ballah even in you know Muslim brotherhood stuff

801
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,360
like their their footprints all over the place. And obviously

802
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,719
you know there are other countries across trouble there, Turkey

803
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,519
and others, but Syria was also there. They're you know,

804
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:21,840
Assad was propped up by them, so the whole world.

805
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Speaker 2: It also shows how this change in Venezuela is affecting

806
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things globally.

807
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of their only allies in the world,

808
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,079
right And I would say this too, and and I've

809
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said it before, I think on the show, but there

810
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,079
is no real genuine geopolitical reason for Iran and Israel

811
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to be at war. They they are actually should be

812
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,920
allied for many reasons in the world, and they were

813
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a sort of not allies, but they were not you know,

814
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when the show was in control, it was not this way,

815
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So I hope so it would be it's I want

816
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,199
to say, we talked about the Gordian nod and Trump

817
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,719
and all that last time, but U and people I see,

818
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,760
even conservatives are still critical of him on foreign policy

819
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,480
in a way because he doesn't have these kind of

820
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:06,599
like sharp answers or plans exactly laid out, though I

821
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think his people probably do. It's been a bad twelve

822
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,800
months for dictators in this world. It's been a bad

823
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,480
time for the Islamist in the Middle East, a bad

824
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:19,280
time to be a strong man in Latin America, and

825
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,679
it's been bad for Iran. So I think that's good

826
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for the world.

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Speaker 2: So you asked what I think about military intervention, and

828
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I was thinking about this this weekend as you saw

829
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the protests kind of growing. How are limited information you're getting.

830
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But first off, I'm really glad that these I'm sure

831
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the CIA is all over every country in the world

832
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or whatever, but doesn't seem like this is being, you know,

833
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,360
led by the United States. It's a genuine domestic unrest

834
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in that country, and that's how it should be. Regime

835
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change always happens the best from within. It's always the

836
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most enduring and best for a country when people themselves

837
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set about to change what's happening, and that's that is happening.

838
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I also think that if there were ever a time,

839
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and I'm not I'm not advocating for this right now.

840
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I'm just saying that if there were ever a time

841
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to do a helpful strike, it would be at a

842
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time like this when there are people who are being

843
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,360
killed by the government, and yet they you know, the

844
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,360
regime still has a tremendous amount of power, but as weakened,

845
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this would this would greatly help their effort. And if

846
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you even look at our own revolution in our country,

847
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,639
how we got help from other countries. It wasn't like

848
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:44,960
they were leading the American Revolution against against the British,

849
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,719
but they would help out with it in ways that

850
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,039
were really key. And I think there's something about the

851
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,599
Trump doctrine that fits here. So we had a lot

852
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:55,960
of people for a long time think that if you

853
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,360
wanted a different if you wanted to change in a country,

854
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you had to implement meant the whole thing. You're like,

855
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,800
we and then the change always involved like starting schools

856
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for girls. I don't know why that was the obsession

857
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,519
of our US military for so long, but you know,

858
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,840
it was always like, Okay, we don't like how things

859
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are there, so we're just gonna come in with hundreds

860
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of thousands of people and we're going to force the change.

861
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And the Trump doctrine seems to be more like I

862
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,840
don't like that bad guy in Iran who's killing all

863
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,960
the Americans. So we're just going to take him and

864
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,360
his people out and then we're just going to go.

865
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And that, to me is such a more effective approach

866
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,599
of using our strength in the national interest without it

867
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,480
becoming a huge liability as well. And I know there

868
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:41,559
are variations here for all sorts of things, but I

869
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:43,760
was just thinking, like, this might be the time to

870
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,039
help the Iranian people. What do you think?

871
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,639
Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely want to help the Iranian people. There

872
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:53,920
are I agree with you. If there's no organic uprising

873
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:59,159
or organic call for regime change, what are you really

874
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,920
doing here? Obviously there is and there hasn't been for

875
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,480
a long time. The Obama administration did nothing, and so

876
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,039
I but yeah, I agree with you in general that

877
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,000
we can't help them, though it seems like with Venezuela,

878
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:18,960
maybe the Trump administration is trying to pressure the leadership

879
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there if they don't think they'll be toppled to make reforms.

880
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Speaker 2: Maybe well, and that does sound like that's what's happening,

881
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:28,800
and threat of force. Threat of force can accomplish good things, right,

882
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,679
And the White House has said that Iran is Yeah,

883
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trying to negotiate with the Trumpet Baultry.

884
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Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to say. I'm sorry a lot

885
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:41,679
of times. I'm sorry a lot of times we want

886
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to topple a regime because they are enemy, and a

887
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,480
lot of times we don't think through the consequences in

888
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:49,679
the sense that what could come next could be worse

889
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,519
for us in the long run. Maybe the Soviets when

890
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:56,079
they were in Afghanistan, whatever it is, I don't think

891
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:58,519
that it could be worse in Iran. I don't think

892
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,199
that what's coming could be worse, could be wrong. But

893
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,199
it seems like that is a country that really and

894
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,880
a people. And by the way, that's a very diverse country,

895
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,320
and there are a lot of people actually hate each

896
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,639
other in that country, but minorities and so on. But

897
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I'm talking about in Tehran and in the more secular

898
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,320
places and urban places. I think those people want to

899
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be to join the world. Last thing I want we

900
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wanted to talk about, I think was planned parenthood. The

901
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,320
other day Political reported that a lawsuit had been dismissed

902
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,679
after the Trump against planned parenthood. After the Trump administration

903
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,559
restored millions of dollars two for I think tens of

904
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:46,760
millions of dollars to I forget how many planned parenthood

905
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,000
I don't know what you call them outlets, But I

906
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:53,599
don't know how you feel. I mean, I do a

907
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:57,960
little bit, But it feels like this administration has said

908
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,199
a lot of good things the issue of life, but

909
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,760
hasn't followed through on many. Part of the blame I

910
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,760
think is probably our FK Junior, who has been a

911
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,840
pro abortion person his entire life, but with abortion pills,

912
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:15,440
slow movement on that. With this issue now, I don't know.

913
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:19,400
It just seems like they're forsaking people who supported them

914
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,440
and we're very happy about this issue, and obviously I'm

915
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,679
happy Roe was overturned, and I give Trump a lot

916
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,440
of credit for that, but I don't know, it feels

917
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,599
like we're taking a step back.

918
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I need to because it came from Politico,

919
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,039
and I just don't know if what they're reporting is

920
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:36,159
accurate or not. We have to look into it.

921
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: But it was a.

922
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,079
Speaker 2: Very disheartening report about the ACLU dropping its case because

923
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:44,440
they're like fine with the funding that's flowing from you

924
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:50,480
and me to the largest abortion corporation in the country,

925
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:57,639
also known for transing children and other problems. It's worse

926
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,000
than just this though, when it comes to the life

927
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:04,599
arger issue that you're talking about. And Jordan Boyd at

928
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:09,599
The Federalist has done some really good reporting recently on Okay,

929
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:16,000
so Obamacare subsidies expire at the end of the year.

930
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:20,199
I think we're there, and so there are negotiations about

931
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:25,039
how to proceed. And just first off, this is the

932
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:28,960
Democrats problem, right. They are the ones who forced Obamacare through.

933
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,239
They are the ones who created a system that's in

934
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,679
something of a death spiral. You have to keep on

935
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,920
having more and more federal taxpayer subsidizing of insurance companies,

936
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:42,400
which is like my least favorite group to subsidize in

937
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,639
order for the program to keep operating.

938
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Speaker 1: And can I quickly just add one thing, and this

939
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,960
aspect of Obamacare was supposed to be a market based,

940
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,199
you know, a market for people, and a market doesn't

941
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:59,519
need to be completely subsidized more cares each year. It

942
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,679
is not a because every even insurance companies have fallen

943
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,840
out because it's terrible. So you have like monopolies essentially

944
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,599
in states, and then we're subsidizing the monopoly. It's just

945
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:09,800
it's terrible.

946
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Speaker 2: And then they yeah, the insurance companies have the everybody

947
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,079
by the cojones because they can just say, oh, well,

948
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,280
like if you we've got these exorbitant prices that we've

949
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set and if you don't subsidize, then these people are

950
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:25,400
going to have to spend more. And part of passing Obamacare,

951
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:30,320
if you will, recall, was every vote counted for Obama

952
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,199
and there was this one guy who purported to be

953
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,519
pro life. He was a Democrat named Bart Stupek, and

954
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:40,920
in order to get his vote, I can't remember the

955
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,800
exact thing, but like Obama set up a thing claiming

956
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,199
that funding wouldn't go to abortion directly, it would be

957
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,800
like a two step process or something, and for some

958
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,360
reason Bart's stupac was like, that's good enough for me,

959
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,199
I'll vote for it. And it's something that pro lifers

960
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:04,559
have long opposed because it's also in contradiction of the

961
00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:09,719
High Amendment, which says that no federal taxpayer funding should

962
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,320
go for the violent ending of human life in the womb.

963
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:18,239
And it's been something that's just kind of worked for decades, like, Okay,

964
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,800
even if you think it should be legal to kill

965
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,519
an unborn child, you can't take taxpayer money to subsidize that.

966
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,519
Now money is fungible, you know. They would even say,

967
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:30,559
as they were subsidizing planned parenthood, this goes for your

968
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:33,159
electric bill, not for the baby killing part, you know,

969
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,599
which doesn't make any sense. But as there in negotiations

970
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:43,639
and Democrats really really really want Obamacare to continue, there

971
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:49,360
needs to be insurance that the High Amendment will be fulfilled.

972
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,880
And Trump said something a couple of weeks ago about

973
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,639
people need to be flexible on the High Amendment, and

974
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,679
I and anyone else who considers himself pro life were like, yeah, no,

975
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:08,960
that's literally the lowest possible standard of being even pretending

976
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000
to be pro life is that you don't force people

977
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,360
to fund the violent destruction of life in the womb.

978
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,960
And so the White House has kind of walked it

979
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:21,400
back a little bit. I think the Daily I can't remember, sorry,

980
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:24,119
Daily Wired, Daily Caller, Daily Signal, someone had a report

981
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:28,519
in there. I think it was Daily Caller actually about

982
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:30,719
the walk back that the White House has done on that.

983
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:33,320
But there have also been issues with the Republicans in

984
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:39,119
the Senate, including ostensibly pro life Ohio. I shouldn't say oustensibly.

985
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:42,119
He is a pro life senator from Ohio. Bernie Marino,

986
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,679
who was you know, his grassroots army was all motivated

987
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:48,119
by him being pro life, and he's leading a lot

988
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:52,000
of these negotiations and we got a statement from him

989
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,320
this weekend saying that he was going to be strong

990
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,360
on this issue. But pro lifers are just not just worried,

991
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,400
they're sad that they have to be worried, given that

992
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,360
this is such a low standard to meet. Trump administration

993
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,079
has just not prioritized this. Now, I like you, I'm

994
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:08,519
not going to be one of those people who's like

995
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,000
they're the worst. Literally, without Donald Trump, we would not

996
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,400
have overturned Roby Wade, which is what enables us to

997
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,239
even have some of these fights that we're needing to have.

998
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:25,519
And I am extremely grateful for that. But yeah, it's

999
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:25,960
not good.

1000
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,719
Speaker 1: Well, how can we You can't be flexible on the

1001
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,000
High Amendment because the High Amendment is the law, and

1002
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,159
we're not flexible on the law. Obviously, we have been

1003
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:38,639
flexible in the sense that we look the other Like

1004
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:42,320
you mentioned or you alluded to, dollars are fungible. So

1005
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,760
even now, this money that's going to go to these

1006
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,880
planned parenthood outlets, they are ostensibly going to be used

1007
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,800
for birth control and this and that. But of course

1008
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,159
they'll just move money around. They're an abortion mill.

1009
00:57:55,639 --> 00:58:02,079
Speaker 5: And the ACA, the Affordable Care Act, has always allowed

1010
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:06,800
for money and to go to insurance plans that have

1011
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:10,840
abortion within them, so we'll cover abortion within them.

1012
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,119
Speaker 1: So it's always been ridiculous. And by the way, the

1013
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:18,840
High Amendment was literally supported across the board almost forever.

1014
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,519
I think in twenty sixteen when Hillary ran, she was

1015
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:25,920
the first candidate ever I think when did I think

1016
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,239
in seventy four or something like that. It was passed

1017
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,280
and Hillary was the first candidate to oppose the High Amendment.

1018
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,280
You don't have to be flexible on it at all,

1019
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,679
you know, by the way, I mean, I don't know,

1020
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,679
things could have changed. But when I looked at polling,

1021
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:41,559
I think last year, and you if you ask people

1022
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:44,079
do they support the High Amendment, it's low. If you

1023
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:47,599
ask people, do you support tax dollars going to fund abortions,

1024
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:50,719
it's like seventy percent of people, don't you know what

1025
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:52,679
I mean, It's very high number. So it's not even

1026
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:56,280
like this is something that's an unpopular position to take.

1027
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,480
So I don't understand why it's going in this direction.

1028
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: But that's why I think it's so discouraging to people

1029
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:04,199
is that they understand, like, this isn't even one of

1030
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:06,719
the difficult issues of being prolote. You know, this should

1031
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,599
be just the lowest possible standard to be met.

1032
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,159
Speaker 1: And I get that this isn't like Donald Trump's forte

1033
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,760
you know, and you know the life issue really and

1034
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,920
that again, well, props for everything, but it's just unnecessary.

1035
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:23,559
Speaker 2: A lot of people just kind of want to move

1036
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:26,159
on from the issue and pretend nothing's happening. By the way,

1037
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:28,519
that another issue that's been bad for the Trump administration

1038
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:32,440
is that most abortions now take place through chemical abortions,

1039
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:37,000
and the Trump administration has allowed to stand some of

1040
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:43,599
the worst regulations on the planet about these types of abortions.

1041
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,239
They are very dangerous for certain people. And what I

1042
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:48,599
mean by that is like, let's say you're having an

1043
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:51,800
ectopic pregnancy and it's not being treated by a doctor,

1044
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:56,119
and you take an abortion pill. It can be you know,

1045
00:59:56,119 --> 00:59:59,079
it's not just a situation already that's very bad for

1046
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,800
the baby. If it's like topic, but it's terminal for

1047
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:02,400
the baby, I.

1048
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,159
Speaker 1: Bet you it's more dangerous than yellow dye. Number five

1049
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,000
or whatever RFK is worried about.

1050
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: It can be extremely dangerous for the mother and can

1051
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:16,400
cause serious physical harm. And under the first Trump administration,

1052
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,639
you at least had to have like a doctor overseas stuff,

1053
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:21,800
and now you don't, and they are allowing these bad

1054
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:27,280
Bidin era regulations to continue. And the reason why this

1055
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:28,920
is important because I think there are people who just

1056
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,159
don't care about the abortion issue as much as some

1057
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:35,679
of us do. But in fact, it's probably a pretty

1058
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:42,000
small percentage of the Republican Party voters who are seriously

1059
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,119
obsessed about this issue. But they happen to be the

1060
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,519
people who actually run your get out the vote operations,

1061
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:50,480
who are willing to go door to door getting ballots,

1062
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,840
getting the ballots into the boxes, and in a very

1063
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,360
tough election year, to demoralize the one group of people

1064
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,119
you can count on to go out and hustle because

1065
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:03,840
they care so deeply about this issue is just bad

1066
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:04,679
politics too.

1067
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,679
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the High Amendment, it's the bare minimum.

1068
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:09,840
You're not asking them to pass a law to ban

1069
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,840
abortions across the country or anything. You're asking for the

1070
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,960
bare minimum to be upheld a law that's been on

1071
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,480
the book since seventy four or whenever. All right, great,

1072
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:25,239
you have some culture for us, not much, but actually

1073
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,880
can ask you a question. I heard from someone you

1074
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,639
that you'll be recording your own forthcoming book. Is that true?

1075
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: Yes, in a couple of weeks. I have to record it,

1076
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,519
and so I was letting you know about that for

1077
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,119
our scheduling purposes. Have you ever recorded a book?

1078
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:46,559
Speaker 1: No? I usually have to. I mean, for my last

1079
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:48,800
few books, I have to pick someone. So for my

1080
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,639
gun book, I picked someone who sounded like he was

1081
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,320
like a Western dude, and he read it and so on.

1082
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,559
But I think it's exciting that you get to read it.

1083
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:59,239
You have a voice for audio audible.

1084
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: Thank you well. When Carrie Severino and I wrote a

1085
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,880
Justice on Trial about the Kavanaugh confirmation, she and I

1086
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:12,039
read the book and we alternated chapters and we got

1087
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:15,039
very good marks on it, you know from the lights

1088
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:17,679
that rate these things, and people said they really enjoyed it.

1089
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:21,159
And my second book, Rigged, happened during COVID and they

1090
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:25,000
were like, don't even think of recording it, like someone

1091
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,760
else will record it and you have no options. And

1092
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,880
then for this book on Alito, which comes out April

1093
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,559
twenty second, they likewise said I couldn't record it, but

1094
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:39,039
I had gotten so many complaints about not recording Rigged.

1095
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:42,079
I mean, it's still something people will regularly be like,

1096
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:44,440
I don't like that you didn't record it, which I

1097
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,239
had nothing. I mean, I had no say in it,

1098
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,679
but I get the complaints. So I really wanted to

1099
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,760
record it. And they were like, yeah, you can't, but

1100
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,760
you have to pick who's going to do it. And

1101
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,039
I was like, I don't care, just just pick whoever

1102
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:03,559
you want if I can't do it, And somehow saying that,

1103
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,440
the publisher was like, Okay, fine, you can do it,

1104
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:06,840
so I'll recording.

1105
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,719
Speaker 1: How long does it take to record a book like that?

1106
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,760
I assume this books around three fifty pages. Is it something? Yeah?

1107
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:14,199
I think so.

1108
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:20,239
Speaker 2: No, no, so it will take four to five days now.

1109
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:23,679
And it's really interesting. You go up to a special

1110
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:28,280
book recording studio in DC and there's a director and

1111
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,679
he guides you on he directs you on how to

1112
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:35,800
do things or if you have a problem with pronunciation.

1113
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:37,719
And that's one of the things like when you're writing

1114
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,280
and you know, I'm like writing Supreme Court cases down

1115
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,119
but I've never said them. I might not know you

1116
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:46,559
know how to say a particular proper noun or. So

1117
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:51,719
I'll be reading it out loud to myself prior, just

1118
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,039
to make sure I have a feel for what I'm saying.

1119
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,119
And then I'll go up and I'll yeah, break it

1120
01:03:57,199 --> 01:03:59,920
up into four parts, I guess, and do it over

1121
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,960
four or five days. And you have to wear really

1122
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,639
soft clothing. You have to be careful about what you

1123
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:09,440
eat because like it can pick up a stomach growl.

1124
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,039
You have to, you know, be careful on your breathing.

1125
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:15,920
I have had a cold for the last two weeks

1126
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,599
and I'm like terrified about it that it's not going

1127
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:21,159
to be done in time to record this.

1128
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: We talked about this off air, but it is when

1129
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:29,480
it's someone like you who's on TV who people recognize,

1130
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:31,719
is voice they recognize. It would be weird for me

1131
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,760
to listen to a book from Molly Hemingway with someone

1132
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,760
else saying your words. I think, so I'm happy that

1133
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,920
you're recording it. By the way, a publicist got in

1134
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,400
touch with me about your book. Instead, I'd like to

1135
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,760
send out the book. Would you like to interview the author?

1136
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,800
Let me know it Psychoh no, I don't need an interview,

1137
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,000
but i'd like the book please.

1138
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,599
Speaker 2: You have been the very, very first interview I've ever

1139
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,679
done when books came out. Do you remember that you

1140
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:03,800
were the first interview for Justice on Trial.

1141
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was incredibly impressed by that book, and I

1142
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:10,239
already knew you were amazing, but that was, you know,

1143
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,280
I was just blown away by the level of journalism.

1144
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,159
I mean, I think people should read it today. They

1145
01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:16,119
think they're past the stuff in that book, you're not.

1146
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,960
It gives you a real good historical understanding of the

1147
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:25,599
left's modest operandi when it comes to new justice nominations,

1148
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:26,000
et cetera.

1149
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 2: This does remind me I was saying about it this

1150
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,800
week because this week we had oral arguments in a

1151
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,440
variety of trans cases in front of the court. And

1152
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,719
one of the things that I'll you know, that I

1153
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:41,039
discuss in the book is justice Alito is really good

1154
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:44,559
at oral argument, and a lot of his colleagues pointed

1155
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:46,920
that out to me, And once you see it, you

1156
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,119
can kind of not you have to. You have to

1157
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:51,440
keep seeing it. And he did a really good job

1158
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:59,679
of just wrapping the trans lawyers around the axle in

1159
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,199
terms of how they didn't have like a legal coherence

1160
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,679
to their argument. And I'm happy that this book is

1161
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:11,480
coming out at a time when so many people are realizing, like,

1162
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,400
wait a minute, this quiet, unassuming guy is a giant

1163
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:20,239
on the court, and I'm just happy it's coming out now.

1164
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:24,159
Speaker 1: It was funny. You have a court, you have the

1165
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:27,000
High Court of the land. Your expectation is that they're

1166
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,360
going to get into the nitty gritty of law and

1167
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,719
constitutionality and history, and instead they are trying to define

1168
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:36,960
what a girl is or a boy is. And it

1169
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:41,519
comes off like a cuckoo, crazy idiocracy. Frankly, that we

1170
01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:44,039
even have to have these kind of discussions in the

1171
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,400
High Court. At least that's you know, I haven't paid

1172
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,440
a ton of attention to the case, but that's how

1173
01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:51,400
that was the impression I got that we live in idiocracy.

1174
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,679
Speaker 2: Harvard law professor Adrian Vermuell, who you know, has interesting thoughts,

1175
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:59,360
but he said, I just can't get deeply interested in

1176
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:04,559
the transition under sports cases. In any reasonably well ordered polity,

1177
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:08,519
such cases would never arise in the first place. The

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very fact the highest court in the land is solemnly

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deliberating over them is an indictment in itself. I agree

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with this. It's I don't know, you hear people go oh,

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the arguments went really well for the side that believes

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that boys and girls are different. And then you realize

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the fact that we had to have that go well

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for people who believe basic reality is not a great

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sign for what we're dealing with in this country.

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Speaker 1: It from what I saw, it did not go well

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for the pro trans people at the court anyway, So

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culture okay.

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Speaker 2: And then I watched with Mark dead Men Don't Wear Plaid.

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Speaker 1: Remember that movie with Steve Martin from the eighties.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a total gimmick movie, right, So yeah,

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it doesn't it intersperse real old times exactly. It's in

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black and white, and intersperce interspers is probably like twenty

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old films into a barely cohesive plot. It's goofy. But

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it kind of wore on me pretty quickly, So I

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love it.

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Speaker 1: You liked it, though, honestly, I probably saw it as

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a teenager. I don't really remember if I liked it.

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You know, when your teenager bit too much like anything

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that's goofy, So maybe I did.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and then I watched a movie it was

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like an inspirational movie with my kid called Soul on

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Fire about this kid who was burned on one hundred

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percent of his body and then like succeeded in life.

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And he was a big Cardinals fan. William H. Macy

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plays Jack Buck, which was very exciting and it was

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actually like, for being that kind of movie. I know

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that sounds like an insult, but for being that kind

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of a I really enjoyed it. I was crying. The

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kid was, you know, deeply moved. So it was. It

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was And if you're from Saint Louis or you have

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Saint Louis connections, you basically have to watch the film

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because it's all about Saint Louis. Ozzie Smith was in it.

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Speaker 1: Oh did you do Backflip? No, I won't watch that one. Sorry,

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it sounds sad, and I don't have any interest in

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being sound. I have nothing. Really. I have two shows

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that I probably mentioned in the past that have new

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seasons that I'm watching. One is Fallout with Walton Goggins.

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That's not for you, Molly, I don't think it's I

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love God.

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Speaker 2: I love God.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got it. Since plays a gool, he plays

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the ghoul. It's it's very stylized, violent, not for kids,

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sci fi based on a video game. I should say

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it's not for you. I don't know. Maybe this for you,

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but I feel like probably you wouldn't enjoy it that much.

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I don't even like it that much. I find it

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pretty boring, I have to be honest. The other one

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is Landman with Billy Bob Thornton. So I'm watching the

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new season of that. It's got who's that old timey guy?

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Sam Elliot's in it this season? To me, Moore is

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in it? You know, it's fine. It's fine, it's about Texas.

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I feel like that kind of thing. It's good in oil.

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It is not like a lefty show. They actually there's

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an episode everyone was talking about a few weeks ago

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where they mock the View and the people on the

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View as being millionaires who are angry at billionaires or

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something like that, and so it avoids the usual lefty

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you know, storylines and stuff.

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Speaker 2: And Mark was telling me that he had watched The

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Pit and he had to stop watching it because because

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not because it wasn't a good show. It actually was

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a good show, but they were gratuitously inserting like radical

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01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,640
left wing politics and warming.

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Speaker 1: His makes me so mad. I like that show. Now

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I know I'm going to have the same feeling about it.

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I was watching some show I forget what it was

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called on Apple and I sort of liked it, and

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then they were inserting things like that, and I just

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it was so it was gnawing at me, and then

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I just stopped watching it. So all right. If you

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have better suggestions for us, please email us at radio

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at the Federalist dot com. We love to hear from you.

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We'll see you next week. Until then, be the lovers

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of freedom and anxious for the friend