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Speaker 3: As I don't know if there's any kids out there
Speaker 3: trigger treating right now. It's a little early. However, I
Speaker 3: stepped outside just a moment ago and it's not nice out,
Speaker 3: but it did briefly stop like raining. It was kind
Speaker 3: of a drizzle, a little bit you know, sprinkle maybe
Speaker 3: a little bit more than sprinkling. And hey, that's better
Speaker 3: than if we just get you know, showers. But fingers crossed,
Speaker 3: let's bring him in. He's the one and only Kent
Speaker 3: Spencer from Whas eleven can't. We talked a week ago
Speaker 3: and our positive vibes did not didn't too much for
Speaker 3: us because the rain is here. I don't know what
Speaker 3: Endo Town you are in. Is it still nasty as
Speaker 3: ever out there?
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 2: It's not nasty where I am right now, But you know,
Speaker 2: you don't know when it could when it could pick
Speaker 2: up again. Let me tell you something, Nick, We have
Speaker 2: had perfect weather for two straight weeks, and I would
Speaker 2: have given anything to move this day to one of those.
Speaker 5: Days and had this day be really, really nice.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, Timmy couldn't have been worse. Mother Nature.
Speaker 3: She's a nasty woman, Kent, she's she's she's wrong for this,
Speaker 3: because you're right, we've had perfect weather and it I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess it did start a little earlier than I
Speaker 3: was expecting. But you know, if you were just looking
Speaker 3: at the forecast last night early this morning, like it
Speaker 3: was just supposed to start raining right as soon as
Speaker 3: kids would be would be starting to trick or treat.
Speaker 3: So maybe maybe we can hold off again. I think
Speaker 3: if you can get like an hour and a half
Speaker 3: to where it's not it's not raining hard and it's
Speaker 3: maybe just sprinkling here and there that you know, that
Speaker 3: wouldn't be ideal, but that'd be better than you know,
Speaker 3: just nothing but rain, but fingers crossed. What are the
Speaker 3: kids being for Halloween? Are they too old to dress up?
Speaker 2: So my my fourteen year old daughter, she's gonna go
Speaker 2: with friends.
Speaker 4: This is actually gonna be this is a this is
Speaker 4: a tough one.
Speaker 2: She's actually going to another friend's neighborhood to trick or treat.
Speaker 2: So this is the first time she's not gonna be
Speaker 2: with us.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but that's gotta that's gotta be tough for
Speaker 3: a dad, right, Like this is this is another sign
Speaker 3: that she's growing up on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but you know what they're all going like
Speaker 2: is the same kind of thing, like characters from the
Speaker 2: from the Lorax.
Speaker 3: Okay, nice, So that's what that's.
Speaker 4: What they're gonna be.
Speaker 2: And then my twelve year old daughter, her and some
Speaker 2: friends did the same costumes at school. She is one
Speaker 2: of those little aliens from Toy Story. She got a
Speaker 2: big old body suit or whatever and the head flips
Speaker 2: over like a onesie.
Speaker 5: So she's gonna be an alien from from Toy Story.
Speaker 2: And then my son two months ago, God ordered got
Speaker 2: a Cane cost two from the w WE.
Speaker 3: Like Cain, an undertaker Kane.
Speaker 2: So he's gonna be Caine nice and that's all. Now,
Speaker 2: this was two months ago. He asked of me if
Speaker 2: I would go as.
Speaker 5: The undertaker so we could beat the Brothers of Destruction.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is perfect. And so with that,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's oh my gosh, a father son Cain
Speaker 3: undertaker duo. That's that's perfect. And by the way, thanks
Speaker 3: to the Peacock Network, my my son's now watching wrestling too,
Speaker 3: so he may be asking to do that next year.
Speaker 3: But this year the Moose, the moose Man is a firefighter,
Speaker 3: and my daughter Maya is gonna be what probably most
Speaker 3: girls in the world are going to be. Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: Well that's the Let me tell you something I love
Speaker 2: that I take Nick, I probably take this off, this
Speaker 2: this holiday off every single year.
Speaker 5: I love it so much.
Speaker 2: Because I love how they get into it.
Speaker 5: I love handing out candy all that stuff. Man, there's nothing,
Speaker 5: there's nothing cooler than hallowek.
Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt, good vibes. And hey, even if
Speaker 3: the rain is in the way, we're we'll still make
Speaker 3: the most of it. And yeah, I can't believe how
Speaker 3: fast October went by, Like the fact that tomorrow's November
Speaker 3: is is insane to me. But let's switch gears here.
Speaker 3: I'll start with Kentucky if you can't, because obviously the season,
Speaker 3: you know, each week it's it's really the same conversation.
Speaker 3: They they're they're kind of a mess, and they seem
Speaker 3: to be getting worse things unraveling for Mark Stoops. But
Speaker 3: what do you make of the quarterback situation. I mean,
Speaker 3: Brock vandergriff as we've discussed, and I thought you've laid
Speaker 3: it out pretty good the last couple of weeks that
Speaker 3: you know, he's kind of cutting his teeth in real time,
Speaker 3: and that's not ideal when you're playing some of the
Speaker 3: best teams in the country, and Kentucky has had a
Speaker 3: really tough schedule. And even when you're not playing the
Speaker 3: best teams in the country, when you're getting your first
Speaker 3: reps as a starter against SEC defenses, again, you're gonna
Speaker 3: expect some growing pains. But I don't feel like they're
Speaker 3: in the position they're in because of his poor quarterback play.
Speaker 3: With Gavin Wemset, he gives you a different element. But
Speaker 3: I think when when you're trying to get this thing
Speaker 3: figured out and fixed, I mean, obviously, if Mark Stoops
Speaker 3: and his staff knew how to fix it, they would
Speaker 3: have already done it. But I just I think mixed
Speaker 3: going with two quarterbacks or maybe just leaning more so
Speaker 3: with Wimsat. I don't think that makes any sense at all.
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna go the two quarterback route, right,
Speaker 2: you can't just run it with Wimset every time he
Speaker 2: comes in like that. The element of surprise isn't there.
Speaker 2: Everybody already knows what they're gonna do. Davin Wimset, to me,
Speaker 2: isn't really an accurate passer from what I've been able
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 3: It wasn't that at Rutgers and he hasn't been that
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so then that doesn't give you the element
Speaker 2: that you need.
Speaker 4: And his running ability, to be.
Speaker 2: Quite honest with you, from what I've seen, I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's good. But because nobody thinks he's actually gonna throw
Speaker 2: it and they're playing the run, well, that element's really
Speaker 2: not there.
Speaker 4: So my guess I'm.
Speaker 5: Thinking, and like, what are you what are you doing
Speaker 5: at this at this point, like you've gotta you've got
Speaker 5: to ride.
Speaker 2: This Vandergrift train. In my opinion, that's what you have
Speaker 2: to do. If you're if you're there and you're right,
Speaker 2: it's it's not all along him. I think a large
Speaker 2: part of it is on the offensive line, and now
Speaker 2: they're beat up up front, which you know, if they
Speaker 2: were healthy, they weren't the greatest thing in the world anyway,
Speaker 2: And so now that you have these backups in then
Speaker 2: it's it's really going off the rails a little bit.
Speaker 2: But in my opinion, like you got to play Vandergrift
Speaker 2: and you got to see if he can work some things.
Speaker 5: Out, if he could get some boar guys involved, you know,
Speaker 5: for them, Dame, he has had a nice year, but
Speaker 5: he ain't gonna be it. Like if you just got.
Speaker 2: One person that you trust from the ball to that's
Speaker 2: not gonna beat anybody in the SEC. That's not gonna
Speaker 2: beat anybody that's halfway decent, Like you have to you
Speaker 2: have to open up the playbook a little bit. You know,
Speaker 2: they're really beat up and running back obviously, but you know,
Speaker 2: I think they're supposed to get Debbie Subo Corn Bay
Speaker 2: back this week.
Speaker 5: Which would be a nice, nice lip some of those
Speaker 5: freshman backs.
Speaker 4: That have been pretty good in spurts.
Speaker 2: But I don't think the play Collens been the best
Speaker 2: for them. Like and to be honest with you, like
Speaker 2: with them being so beat up on the on the
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball, with JJ Weaver out, you know,
Speaker 2: Max Harrison still out.
Speaker 5: I think the Eric Jackson's out this week.
Speaker 2: Like there's a there's a real chance they get uh
Speaker 2: Tennessee puts up a big number on Saturday Night.
Speaker 3: But don't you think that? And this, this this year
Speaker 3: is really different than any year Stoops has had because
Speaker 3: he's had years where they were struggling and had a
Speaker 3: tough time beating a lot of teams, but that was
Speaker 3: really early on in his tenure. This is an unusual
Speaker 3: year where they're they're really struggling, and you know it's
Speaker 3: not that they're I mean, I think you can look
Speaker 3: at what three of their losses and and you know,
Speaker 3: if you don't show up and you don't win, then
Speaker 3: you know you're a loser. You don't win, you are
Speaker 3: at your record says it is. But like the way
Speaker 3: they lost to South Carolina, the way unraveled against Florida
Speaker 3: and even Auburn last week, Like those aren't teams that
Speaker 3: you just look at the score and say, yeah, what
Speaker 3: are you gonna do? Those teams are so great, So
Speaker 3: you know, this is a very maybe maybe this is
Speaker 3: where it ends. But I feel like more often than not,
Speaker 3: when Stoops has had his team in a position where
Speaker 3: it seems as if they're gonna get blown out because
Speaker 3: of no momentum on their end and they're playing a
Speaker 3: really religod team, I feel like that's that's usually when
Speaker 3: its teams show up and play. Now again, they could
Speaker 3: do that and still lose to Tennessee. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm reaching here, but I kind of feel like
Speaker 3: if this isn't an ultimate just ass whooping, which it
Speaker 3: could be, I mean, I guess it wouldn't be a
Speaker 3: big surprise given what's happened in recent weeks with them,
Speaker 3: but I feel like that would be kind of telling
Speaker 3: to kind of where everything is internally with that with
Speaker 3: that group, because he's not I mean, in recent weeks,
Speaker 3: it kind of seems as if these guys. I don't
Speaker 3: want to call them quitters because I just I feel
Speaker 3: like I wouldn't be in a position to know if
Speaker 3: they're truly quitting or not. But something's off with this
Speaker 3: team in this program with Stoops that that we really
Speaker 3: haven't seen ever. Seems like yeah, and.
Speaker 2: And you look, I mean, I picked you're being I
Speaker 2: think you're being extremely optimistic by thinking that they have
Speaker 2: a chance.
Speaker 3: To me, can't always optimistic about the Cats. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm just being on brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I just think that like, look
Speaker 2: this thing, you know, really after the highs of them
Speaker 2: beating Old Miss, this thing's really been headed.
Speaker 3: Solf pretty at a rapid rate.
Speaker 4: And it feels like.
Speaker 2: Them making the the quarterback.
Speaker 4: It feels like them making that.
Speaker 2: Quarterback swhich last week, like it felt like that was
Speaker 2: like a desperation move when like.
Speaker 4: There was there's no need.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that you don't need to
Speaker 2: make some desperation move, but I don't think that was it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like like it just felt
Speaker 2: like it was like, oh this is Oh they've hit
Speaker 2: the panic.
Speaker 4: Button and oh it got worse.
Speaker 2: So that's for me and then you know, yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: this is a game or maybe you know this is
Speaker 2: like hey, they're rallying the troops.
Speaker 5: Check out the.
Speaker 2: Injury report, Like there's there's just nobody left at rally,
Speaker 2: like the all most of them are hurt or out,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like I think Jordan's bagels
Speaker 2: a tight end. I think he's out this week like
Speaker 2: they just.
Speaker 5: They got no dudes left.
Speaker 2: And and you know, when you don't have a ton
Speaker 2: of depth to begin with, would you lose like your
Speaker 2: real tea guys, that thing goes.
Speaker 5: South in a hurry, and I think I think it's
Speaker 5: schooling south in a hurry.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And at the court you said it best. When it
Speaker 3: comes to doing some things that seem desperate, it's it's
Speaker 3: desperate times. So doing anything to you know, trying different
Speaker 3: stuff to see what works because of the situation would
Speaker 3: make sense. But I feel like, you know, your offense
Speaker 3: has been really really bad this year at times. I
Speaker 3: mean in the second half, they don't seem to score anything.
Speaker 3: I think they score fewer points than anybody in the
Speaker 3: second half this year. And I feel like if you're
Speaker 3: going to improve that, you need to utilize your weapons,
Speaker 3: which clearly Dankey has actually been a bright spot despite
Speaker 3: the season. Barrian Brown can change a game at any
Speaker 3: moment with a big play. I feel like you're not
Speaker 3: gonna be able to utilize those guys really in any
Speaker 3: way if it's whim set out there, because I mean,
Speaker 3: there's really not any any mystery as far as what
Speaker 3: they're gonna do when he's out there, it's it's it's
Speaker 3: quite clear that he's going to be out there to
Speaker 3: run the ball. And when everybody knows that's what's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: and your offensive line is not as good as they
Speaker 3: as they need to be, you know, it's it's not
Speaker 3: a good recipe. Do you do you think Stoops has
Speaker 3: I mean, and you would know this more so than
Speaker 3: than most people. How much involvement does Stoops actually have
Speaker 3: in the offense? Because I think Butch Hamden, not to
Speaker 3: say he's not a good play caller, but like to me,
Speaker 3: that didn't like I feel like with Mark Steups having
Speaker 3: some momentum and clearly some money, he could have gotten
Speaker 3: a more proven guy than Butch Hampden. You look at
Speaker 3: at what Liam Cohen's doing in the NFL. Obviously, uh,
Speaker 3: Shannon Dawson, he's gonna be a head coacher soon because
Speaker 3: of what he's doing with that Miami offense. I mean,
Speaker 3: how much of the offensive blame should go on Stoops
Speaker 3: because he claims, at least from what I understand, he
Speaker 3: doesn't claim to really be super involved in it. But
Speaker 3: when you watch them play and you look at some
Speaker 3: of the other things that have happened and seen other
Speaker 3: guys succeed that that he moved on from or they
Speaker 3: moved on from him. It kind of makes it hard
Speaker 3: to believe that he's not somewhat influencing what's going on offensively.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean just just kind of look back at
Speaker 2: his track record with offensive coordinators. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: Shannon Dawson was fired after a year on.
Speaker 5: The job, like he's going to be a head coach,
Speaker 5: but Sue's firing often.
Speaker 2: And and you know Liam Cohen, you know, left to
Speaker 2: go to the Rams on his own, and then you
Speaker 2: know he brings in Rich Gangrello. Well, Rich Gangrello got
Speaker 2: fired after a year on the job. Liam Cohen the
Speaker 2: second time around, he left on his own, like.
Speaker 5: He was looking to leave.
Speaker 4: What does that tell you? It's you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think that's pretty telling, right, Like.
Speaker 2: You've got guys that are either got fired or a
Speaker 2: guy that came back a second time because he wanted
Speaker 2: to come back, and then after a year he wanted
Speaker 2: to leave because clearly thinks aren't the same.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 5: I would say that's that's a pretty pretty telling deal.
Speaker 5: And so if you are really quality offensive coordinator up there. Man,
Speaker 5: we're travels in the coaching circles. It just it just does.
Speaker 5: And do you want do you want to be a
Speaker 5: part of that action? You know, maybe maybe the answer.
Speaker 2: Is though for a lot of really good quality offensive
Speaker 2: ocs out there. So that's what you know, I that's
Speaker 2: just be speculating, like if you just look down, like
Speaker 2: the history here, man, sometimes the history tells tells a
Speaker 2: big chunk of the story.
Speaker 3: And it's and it's really since since day one. I
Speaker 3: mean not to say they haven't had some success with
Speaker 3: offensive guys, but I mean, uh, I think the only
Speaker 3: the only o C that that that's stuck around there
Speaker 3: that you know, has moved on. I mean, what it's
Speaker 3: the coach at West Virginia and Neil Brown. I mean,
Speaker 3: he was it seemed as if they did, you know,
Speaker 3: Patrick Toles was there early on in the era, you
Speaker 3: know it at that point it kind of felt like, okay,
Speaker 3: he does trust his OC a little bit. And then
Speaker 3: from then on it's kind of just been you know,
Speaker 3: it's not I mean, the overall turnover as far as
Speaker 3: how many different people have had that position, that alone
Speaker 3: is is pretty telling in my opinion. All Right, We'll
Speaker 3: let you go here in just a moment because I
Speaker 3: know you've got to get to the Halloween festivities. But
Speaker 3: I do want to get your thoughts on this Louisville team.
Speaker 3: One to ten, ten being the most surprised, one being
Speaker 3: the least surprised. How surprised would you be if Louisville
Speaker 3: does win it Clemson for the first time ever this weekend?
Speaker 4: Uh, I'm not gonna say ten. That feels aggressive. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'd give it up. I'd give it a good eight.
Speaker 3: More so because of gut. Yeah, I mean i'd say,
Speaker 3: given the fact they're double digit dogs, that that that
Speaker 3: number does. I think most would probably be in that range.
Speaker 3: But is it more so because Louisville's kind of shown
Speaker 3: us all year who they are a team that can
Speaker 3: make some place. They're not a bad team, but they've
Speaker 3: been consistent. It really not winning these games this year.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, or are you more of
Speaker 3: a believer in Clemson? I'm sure it's a variety of things,
Speaker 3: to be honest.
Speaker 4: With you, Yeah, it's it's a combination.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Yes, this Louisville team has
Speaker 2: been just an absolute roller coaster. You know they can
Speaker 2: they can do some really nice things.
Speaker 5: But also, I mean.
Speaker 4: They struggle at times.
Speaker 5: This Clemson team outside of I want to say it
Speaker 5: was the first week, didn't they They got.
Speaker 4: Destroyed by Georgia.
Speaker 5: But man, they've done a heck of a job rally
Speaker 5: in the troops and getting things going back and in
Speaker 5: the right direction, and they've looked pretty impressive. And then
Speaker 5: Death Valley at ninth Like I was there in sixteen
Speaker 5: when Louisville women there, and man, that place, that place
Speaker 5: is loud. It's packed like it is it's something, and
Speaker 5: and their speakers are really loud there right.
Speaker 2: That joint at night is legit. And so it's just
Speaker 2: it's just all of those kind of factors that that
Speaker 2: kind of go into it.
Speaker 5: And to be honest with you too, like you know,
Speaker 5: I talked so much about about Kentucky being beat up
Speaker 5: a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know, louis was really beat up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like it ain't like there, it ain't
Speaker 2: like they're at full strength, and you know they're they're.
Speaker 4: Pretty banged up too, and Clemson is not the best
Speaker 4: team to go up against when you're banged up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And even when it feels like Clemson has fallen
Speaker 3: so far, you look and you see that they really
Speaker 3: haven't fallen that far.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And also even in those years where you feel like
Speaker 3: they're down, there's they're still not losing many games on
Speaker 3: their home field. I lied. Last question, we can make
Speaker 3: it quick. You've been to many SEC games covering Kentucky
Speaker 3: and obviously you've been to cover the Louisville Clemson matchup before.
Speaker 3: What what's the best atmosphere you've been in for a
Speaker 3: college football game, whether you're working, whether you're out there
Speaker 3: just you know, go into a game. What's the best
Speaker 3: atmosphere you've seen?
Speaker 5: Best atmosphere that I've seen.
Speaker 4: Might be Clemson was pretty darn good, man. Yeah, Clemson
Speaker 4: were good. Clemson was awesome. Get you know what.
Speaker 2: You know, what's awesome when when they're good. Because Spurrier
Speaker 2: was there at the time. South Carolina, I've.
Speaker 3: Always heard was it Lee Bright something Bryce Stadium? Yes,
Speaker 3: I've heard it's the most underrated atmosphere in the SEC.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a it was a night game. It was
Speaker 2: like eighty like eighty five thousand strong, and they're packed out.
Speaker 2: They got the sandstorm going. They had Rick Flair the night.
Speaker 5: That that I was there covering a game and my man.
Speaker 2: Did a silhouette to the Titan Tron gave out a
Speaker 2: WU and eighty five Strong gave a WU back.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. I could see where that one. I could
Speaker 3: see where that one stands out. So I'm sure it'll
Speaker 3: be rocking on Saturday at Clemson and a lot of
Speaker 3: louisvill fans seemingly making the trip, which I'm I'm happy
Speaker 3: to see that. I mean, I don't know what the
Speaker 3: result is going to be, what they want it to be,
Speaker 3: but it's clearly the type of trip that if you're
Speaker 3: a Louis a fan and you want to make a
Speaker 3: road trip, you know, you make the arrangements, and even
Speaker 3: if the season hasn't gone as well as you would
Speaker 3: have thought, it's still probably worth going just because of
Speaker 3: everything that comes with it. But Kent, we appreciate you
Speaker 3: as always. Make a time, enjoy your Halloween. Please post
Speaker 3: on Twitter X whatever you want to call it. We
Speaker 3: got I want to see Undertaker and Kaine together. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is this is the best news I've heard on
Speaker 3: Halloween Day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get something out.
Speaker 3: There, good stuff. Ken, appreciate you, brother, Hi buddy. Take care.
Speaker 3: That's Kent Spencer from Whas eleven. Good stuff there, I
Speaker 3: mean Undertaker and Kin. That'd be a badass duo regardless
Speaker 3: of who's dress if you're dressing up with your buddy,
Speaker 3: if you're but like a father's son, you kid me.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's perfect. Good stuff. Appreciate Kent. All right,
Speaker 3: quick break, we'll come back on the other side. I
Speaker 3: want to react to a lot of what was said
Speaker 3: by our guests so far today, Cup and Kent, and
Speaker 3: some good texts coming in that I want to get to,
Speaker 3: including one about Colin Lacey. We can talk about that
Speaker 3: and who knows where this show is going to go.
Speaker 3: I feel like it'll be pretty slap happy around five
Speaker 3: o'clock because you know, Thursdays are our Fridays. I mean,
Speaker 3: we actually have two Fridays a week here on this show.
Speaker 3: You know, we've been trying to really change that vibe
Speaker 3: for everybody that Thursday is the new Friday, but it's
Speaker 3: also Halloween, John, you said it earlier, right, feels like
Speaker 3: a Friday, Like it feels like a holiday. So where
Speaker 3: do you know that that usually is a recipe for
Speaker 3: this thing to you know, go in a lot of
Speaker 3: different directions, so it should be fun. Stick with us
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Speaker 3: dot com. All right, so real quick, this text came
Speaker 3: in a little earlier today, and I'll read it word
Speaker 3: for word. But there was also somebody that sent something
Speaker 3: yesterday that I just I didn't feel like it was
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't something I wanted to bring to
Speaker 3: the show. But given the fact that others have said something,
Speaker 3: and I've seen some chatter among Louisville fans on Twitter
Speaker 3: and whatnot, but the text says Nick, I think it's
Speaker 3: pretty lame for Colin Lacy to be publicly showing everybody
Speaker 3: that he's still utilizing Louisville's facilities to practice, but he
Speaker 3: won't play. That's a tough look. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: I've been pretty consistent and pretty direct about this whole. Like,
Speaker 3: I understand why everybody is unhappy about Colin lay. I mean,
Speaker 3: who wouldn't be unappy if you're alivele fan about Colin
Speaker 3: Lacy's decision. I mean, it's a net negative for you overall.
Speaker 3: And you know, like he quit. I mean, people aren't
Speaker 3: wrong when they say that. And I think my point
Speaker 3: is not to say that. You know, I'm not counting
Speaker 3: them to say, oh, no, he didn't quit, because he did.
Speaker 3: But you know, he quit, but we'll be able to
Speaker 3: play again potentially here, and if not, he can play elsewhere.
Speaker 3: So yes, he quit, but I also see him taking
Speaker 3: full advantage of a situation. And if I would have
Speaker 3: done this, I mean, I don't know if I was
Speaker 3: in issues, if I would have done the same thing,
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah I would. I can't relate to Colin Lacey,
Speaker 3: believe it or not. This may shock you He's a
Speaker 3: much better college football player than I ever was because
Speaker 3: I wasn't one. But this is such a different world
Speaker 3: now that this thing happened. Like it's just I mean,
Speaker 3: this is one of those things where and I'm not
Speaker 3: just saying this because it's Louisville and it's Jeff, but
Speaker 3: this is what played out with Colin and his decision
Speaker 3: to just you know, take it like, realize, Hey, I'm healthy,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna go ahead and quit because this season
Speaker 3: is not gonna be what I wanted it to be
Speaker 3: a Louisville and I'm gonna stick around, continue to train
Speaker 3: and continue to take in I all money I'm assuming
Speaker 3: or at least keep the in a ale money that
Speaker 3: I've received at this point, and then I'm gonna hit
Speaker 3: the portal. Might come back to Louisville, or I might,
Speaker 3: you know, I might go elsewhere. That whole situation has
Speaker 3: to be what truly makes coaches consider walking away from
Speaker 3: lucrative jobs where they can suck at that job and
Speaker 3: still get paid a lot of money. That's the kind
Speaker 3: of thing that'll make them walk away because you know,
Speaker 3: as much as I do get on these coaches, and
Speaker 3: it's really not even them as much. I mean, occasionally
Speaker 3: coaches will do the pity party, and that's annoying, but
Speaker 3: that's just coaches being coaches, like they're they're the the
Speaker 3: Maybe not as much anymore, because I do think the
Speaker 3: new wave is to be relatable, to be down to earth,
Speaker 3: not only to your players, but to your fans and
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. But like forever, coaches have, especially
Speaker 3: in college football, like they have oftentimes wanted to appear
Speaker 3: as if the leap that they're just football robots, that
Speaker 3: nobody could relate to them. They're not. I mean Nick
Speaker 3: Saban and will muss Champ. I think it was on
Speaker 3: the same day they had a press conference and wanted
Speaker 3: us to believe that they did not know that the
Speaker 3: following day was an election day, Like they wanted people
Speaker 3: to believe that they didn't even know we were voting
Speaker 3: on the next president that next day, and like that
Speaker 3: I remember it because it pissed me off, Like I
Speaker 3: get it, like, you know, you're just a football guy
Speaker 3: and we can't relate to you, but like, how dumb
Speaker 3: do you think society is to like think that you
Speaker 3: wouldn't know that it's election day? So coaches have always
Speaker 3: been you know, have been that way at least for
Speaker 3: the most part. So whenever they do end up talking
Speaker 3: about how, you know, players, you know, it's all about
Speaker 3: nil Like some of it's just them being them. But
Speaker 3: I've been pretty not hard on them. But I tell
Speaker 3: you what, my criticism about the whole New world and
Speaker 3: players leaving is been more on the media that just
Speaker 3: wants to kiss the ass of these coaches and act like, oh,
Speaker 3: we really got to consider doing something's got to give
Speaker 3: because we just lost one of the best coaches ever.
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think there were real, you know,
Speaker 3: real tears from grown men because Tony Bennett's handsome ass
Speaker 3: was walking away from college basketball, and he did probably
Speaker 3: somewhat because of what's going on, but all so because
Speaker 3: he's burnt out and he wanted to give the job
Speaker 3: to his buddy. So again, like two things can be true.
Speaker 3: I say that all the time, asking coaches to clearly
Speaker 3: make some adjustments to the job that they have had
Speaker 3: for a long time is really not that unusual. How
Speaker 3: many of you have a job where you have had
Speaker 3: to make some adjustments. Maybe you've been in the same position,
Speaker 3: doing the same type of work for fifteen twenty years.
Speaker 3: I bet it's different now than it was when you started,
Speaker 3: as far as just a lot of things, a lot
Speaker 3: of components to the job. So these guys in college
Speaker 3: football that are coaches basketball as well, they make a
Speaker 3: lot of money. They can lose every game and still
Speaker 3: be entitled every penny unless they choose to walk away.
Speaker 3: So I don't have any sympathy for him at all,
Speaker 3: but I also will acknowledge that the job is a
Speaker 3: lot different. It is different. You cannot do it the
Speaker 3: way you used to and not expect I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure if there's any coach out there they can
Speaker 3: be the way he was ten years ago and it
Speaker 3: still work as successful or better as it did at
Speaker 3: that time. I mean, because you used to be able
Speaker 3: to put fear in these guys, right, like break them
Speaker 3: down then build them up, right, I mean the process
Speaker 3: was this. You recruit them, You tell them how great
Speaker 3: they are and how much you need them and how
Speaker 3: big of a role they're gonna have. And they could, oh,
Speaker 3: you want to play quarterback, Hell yeah, we'll put you
Speaker 3: under center. And then they get there and like you
Speaker 3: give them the the you know, it's boot camp essentially, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's it's tough for them early on because you
Speaker 3: got to toughen them up and they couldn't leave if
Speaker 3: they transferred, they would have to sit out right, and
Speaker 3: nobody wanted to do that. Well, now, like I think
Speaker 3: both again, both things can be true. There are guys
Speaker 3: who any adversity comes their way, they're gone and they're
Speaker 3: taking advantage of the ability to do that. But there
Speaker 3: are some that I don't think they're leaving because times
Speaker 3: are hard, and they're and they're and they're you know,
Speaker 3: they're weak minded where they don't take hard coaching. There
Speaker 3: are guys who are making the decision because they're just realizing, hey, look,
Speaker 3: this is a job now I need to look out
Speaker 3: for me and I have a chance to sit out
Speaker 3: and get another year to put more and probably impressive.
Speaker 3: You know, Colin wasn't healthy, started to get healthy. I'm
Speaker 3: not excused. I mean, I'm not saying that that that's
Speaker 3: the ultimate reason why he decided to do what he's doing,
Speaker 3: but like he has an opportunity to play one more
Speaker 3: year of college football now and put better film on
Speaker 3: you know, out there for the NFL and potentially not
Speaker 3: only make more money than he made at UFL this year,
Speaker 3: but any money next year in college could be could be.
Speaker 3: I mean, in fact, any NIL deal he gets, I
Speaker 3: would assume would pay him more than any NFL situation
Speaker 3: he would potentially have next year, if he even had
Speaker 3: one at all, Like he might be a practice squad
Speaker 3: guy next year. And I think he's talented, So maybe
Speaker 3: I'm wrong there. We'll never know because he's not going
Speaker 3: to the NFL this upcoming season unless, you know, unless
Speaker 3: something changes. So you know, it's just it's not this
Speaker 3: this this is the new world. There may be some
Speaker 3: improvements when it comes to organization guardrails, but players having
Speaker 3: the ability to really take full advantage of their look
Speaker 3: out for themselves. That's not going anywhere. That's gonna still
Speaker 3: remain here, and we just got to get used to
Speaker 3: it and accept it and to be And this is
Speaker 3: you know, when I talk about how it's not just different,
Speaker 3: it's not just that there are some changes. It's insanely
Speaker 3: different than it was. The reason why is because players
Speaker 3: used to have zero ability to do anything. I mean,
Speaker 3: the NC double A, I mean, the only people in
Speaker 3: America for a long time that could not benefit simply
Speaker 3: because of who they were were people in prison and
Speaker 3: people playing college athletics. So their refusal to budge from
Speaker 3: their archaic amateurism model led to it getting all the
Speaker 3: way to Congress for Congress to step in and say, yeah,
Speaker 3: you legally cannot keep them from doing that. And that's
Speaker 3: why the players now have all the power because the
Speaker 3: NCAA's tried to, I think, actually gives some some legitimate enforcement, right,
Speaker 3: like they're gonna let you make money in an IL,
Speaker 3: they're gonna let you transfer. But like they tried to say, well,
Speaker 3: you can only do it once and that with NIL,
Speaker 3: there's clearly some things you can't do as far as
Speaker 3: communication about a NIL. I'm not saying they had the
Speaker 3: best things in place, but they're trying to implement it
Speaker 3: after the fact. And again it all and and and
Speaker 3: all it took was a couple of different opportunities to
Speaker 3: put the NC double a's entire organization, their whole thought
Speaker 3: process of amateurism, put it in front of Congress. They
Speaker 3: lost a couple of times. It was a big deal,
Speaker 3: and now everybody's taking them the legal route and they're
Speaker 3: losing every time. So it's really their fault. It's the
Speaker 3: NC doublea's fault for not realizing that what they were
Speaker 3: doing for decades, generations seemingly was eventually going to burst.
Speaker 3: And that's and that's while we're here. So with Colin Lacey,
Speaker 3: of all the you know, of all of the layers
Speaker 3: to this whole situation, I've I've you know, I've been
Speaker 3: pretty dare I say supportive of Colin, Like I'm not
Speaker 3: saying like he did the right thing and people that
Speaker 3: are upset about it are wrong, but like I've at
Speaker 3: least tried to present his side of it to where
Speaker 3: it doesn't look like he's just a quitter. He's just
Speaker 3: truly taking advantage of something that would it would be
Speaker 3: kind of foolish not to take advantage of. But seeing
Speaker 3: him posting on his Instagram story that he's like working
Speaker 3: out but yet he's not gonna play for the team.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna do what he came here to do,
Speaker 3: Like that's tough. Of all the of all again, of
Speaker 3: all the layers to the situation, that's the one that
Speaker 3: actually I'm not gonna act like it brought rage out
Speaker 3: of me, but like it was a bad look for
Speaker 3: him in my opinion. Has I mean, I'm assuming nobody
Speaker 3: on Indiana's done that, right, John, Like, I mean, why
Speaker 3: would they things? Actually, no, y'all have.
Speaker 1: So there have been two wide receivers that haven't gotten
Speaker 1: a lot of time on the field that have left
Speaker 1: the team. But I don't know if they've done anything
Speaker 1: like still working out in the facilities and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I'm curious as to win. We will no
Speaker 3: longer be an I about any of these kind of
Speaker 3: transactions within college sports because as I just mentioned, it
Speaker 3: was the same way forever. So I don't think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be in a couple of years. It might take
Speaker 3: a long long time, like it might it might take
Speaker 3: a younger generation because right now I'm thirty six years old.
Speaker 3: This is still brand new. I've been a college basketball
Speaker 3: fan for longer than I can remember. I've been a
Speaker 3: college football fan for you know, roughly twenty years as
Speaker 3: far as just really loving it. So it's gonna take
Speaker 3: a long time where the majority of me consuming the
Speaker 3: product has has you know, like it's gonna take another
Speaker 3: twenty years essentially for me. Like, Okay, well, I've been
Speaker 3: a fan for this long and half of the time
Speaker 3: it's been this Half of the time it's been that,
Speaker 3: But I think it'll probably take the younger generation just
Speaker 3: you know, kind of this is going to be all
Speaker 3: they know, right, they'll remember maybe early on as far
Speaker 3: as college athletics not having nil and you not being
Speaker 3: able to basically have free agency, because I think those
Speaker 3: of us that the vast majority of our time as
Speaker 3: fans it was the same. Like, it's not something that
Speaker 3: really you ever just get used to. So maybe I
Speaker 3: need you know again, I think I, you know, after
Speaker 3: it happens, I now at least try to tell myself, hey,
Speaker 3: it makes sense given the new world, but it's still
Speaker 3: something that, like, you know, you're not expecting, right, Like
Speaker 3: I was not going into last week's game at Boston
Speaker 3: College thinking, well, you know what, Louisvill's coming off their
Speaker 3: third loss, you may see well, mostly because colin situation
Speaker 3: was unique. He didn't play the first few games because
Speaker 3: of an injury. But you know, when whenever you have
Speaker 3: a situation like that, put it this way, a lot
Speaker 3: of players in Colin's exact situation, fifth year guy injured
Speaker 3: to start the season, started to play well, but the
Speaker 3: team doesn't have a chance to get to where he
Speaker 3: wanted to get to. I think and we'll never know
Speaker 3: hypothetical here. I think the majority of college football players
Speaker 3: would have done exactly what he did, unless because here's
Speaker 3: the thing. I think, if you're a guy that's played
Speaker 3: for Jeff Brow for four years, I think that's a
Speaker 3: lot harder thing to do. Colin's been here a few
Speaker 3: months or you know, however long he's been here, not
Speaker 3: maybe many longer than a few months. Does that make sense, John,
Speaker 3: Like doing that to a guy that you came out
Speaker 3: of high school to play for, that you've played for
Speaker 3: for many years. I think it's almost you wouldn't even
Speaker 3: think about it. But now these guys are bouncing around.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying Colin doesn't like Jeff Brown, clearly.
Speaker 3: I think he chose to come here for a reason,
Speaker 3: and Jeff was utilized in him pretty well before he
Speaker 3: decided to quit. But like, I think that's just the
Speaker 3: new nature, Like there's not that level of again, it's
Speaker 3: all transactional. When you're committing out of high school, you've
Speaker 3: played many many years for the same coach at the
Speaker 3: same program that you know. I'm sure there was a
Speaker 3: transactional situation along the way, But like that's a little different.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really have too much to add with it,
Speaker 1: but it is something that's going to be interesting to
Speaker 1: see how the players will navigate this in the years
Speaker 1: to come.
Speaker 3: Like again, I mean, maybe I'm overvalue, maybe I'm overvaluing Jeff.
Speaker 3: But again, if you have had a long standing relationship
Speaker 3: with a coach that recruited you out of high school,
Speaker 3: you play many years, and the situation played out the
Speaker 3: same way for him, I just think it's it just
Speaker 3: almost wouldn't be possible to just at that, especially when
Speaker 3: you're being utilized and you are and you are like
Speaker 3: a key, like you're important, you matter. With Colin, you know,
Speaker 3: he's he's a he's a mercenary. Like he's a guy
Speaker 3: that's here for one year and he didn't play the
Speaker 3: whole year, so now he can go play elsewhere. So
Speaker 3: like he's he's not probably feeling the same way you
Speaker 3: would if you're somebody that had been at a school
Speaker 3: for a long time. But moving forward, you're not gonna
Speaker 3: see many guys at the same place for a long
Speaker 3: stretch of time. Therefore, the again, this is just again
Speaker 3: I'm not telling anybody that they're wrong, because you can
Speaker 3: feel whatever way you want to feel. And I understand
Speaker 3: why people hate this, but this is this is where
Speaker 3: we are, and it's it's not gonna it's not going anywhere,
Speaker 3: all right, quick break, We'll come back on the other side,
Speaker 3: wrap up the four o'clock hour Halloween edition of Coffee
Speaker 3: and Company. I've got some Halloween stuff I want to
Speaker 3: get to on the other side, including some real lunatics
Speaker 3: out there when it comes to Halloween. I thought I
Speaker 3: was a big Halloween guy this year, really, but I
Speaker 3: can't match the Halloween vibes from some other people out
Speaker 3: there as far as what they spend, what they do.
Speaker 3: But hey, knock yourself out, quick break, keep a lock
Speaker 3: right here. On Sports Talk seven ninety I requested John
Speaker 3: play this song again. It was the song he was
Speaker 3: playing as we were going to break and what you
Speaker 3: heard at the beginning there. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know what it is, but like, I
Speaker 3: don't know why it gets me to this level, but
Speaker 3: it's like the most cringe thing I've ever heard in
Speaker 3: any song ever. I mean yeah, I mean I'm not
Speaker 3: even gonna try to like, I'm not even gonna do
Speaker 3: an impression of it because like it just my skin's crawling.
Speaker 3: Where were we, like, imagine we were somewhere it might
Speaker 3: have been, might have been at Churchill Downs. Of course,
Speaker 3: you know, we've done a handful of Halloween things this
Speaker 3: year with the kids, and obviously they're playing Halloween music
Speaker 3: and this one is perfect for it. But I'm just
Speaker 3: visualizing like being in the studio as they're putting this
Speaker 3: together John and like, I don't know if the guy
Speaker 3: who says that, if he's like heavily featured within the song,
Speaker 3: but like those are kind of like ad libs, right,
Speaker 3: like I ain't fraid of No Like I could you
Speaker 3: take yourself seriously doing that?
Speaker 1: I highly doubt that when they were writing the lyrics
Speaker 1: for the Ghostbusters theme song that that was a part
Speaker 1: of the initial like it had to be an ad lib,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, I.
Speaker 3: Ain't freid of no ghost It just makes again, it
Speaker 3: makes my skin crawl. I don't know why did this.
Speaker 1: Movie come out, the original Ghostbuster?
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, long before I was born. Feel liked, Well,
Speaker 3: maybe I was wrong.
Speaker 1: Because back when, like movie soundtracks and stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: have cringy music in general. I feel like, especially whenever
Speaker 1: there's a theme song and maybe part of the recording
Speaker 1: was like, let's just make this super corny but also
Speaker 1: fun at the same time.
Speaker 3: So Ghostbusters came out in nineteen eighty four, and I
Speaker 3: knew it was before I was born, because Ghostbusters is
Speaker 3: one of those movies. In fact, this is random as hell,
Speaker 3: But when Chris Mack came to Louisville, he brought Luke
Speaker 3: Murray with him. Obviously Luke Murray's father is Bill Murray,
Speaker 3: and you know, I knew Bill Murray was like a
Speaker 3: big deal. I'm well, but like my first memory of
Speaker 3: Bill Murray was when he was in Space Jam like that,
Speaker 3: because the biggest movies that he has done were either
Speaker 3: made before I was born or you know, I probably
Speaker 3: wasn't ol enough to watch him when they came out.
Speaker 3: I know who he is. It wasn't like I didn't
Speaker 3: know who he was. But like people would mention Ghostbusters,
Speaker 3: they've had mentioned Caddy Shack, and I still do this
Speaker 3: day defend myself because those are two movies I'd never
Speaker 3: seen and still haven't, and yet people acted as if like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's almost like my reaction to you, John
Speaker 3: when you don't put any dressing on your salad. You
Speaker 3: just eat lettuce or something like that. So but I fit, Like, again,
Speaker 3: think about it, it came out before I was born.
Speaker 3: We're not in a world now where like you can
Speaker 3: just fire up Netflix. So like, when would I have
Speaker 3: been in this situation where cause again my memory probably
Speaker 3: starts around four or five, right, so at that point,
Speaker 3: this movie is nine ten years old, so you know,
Speaker 3: I wasn't watching movies a whole lot when I was
Speaker 3: that age. So like, again, I've heard of it. It's
Speaker 3: a popular enough movie to where I know what it is.
Speaker 3: But like long story short, it's pretty understandable how I
Speaker 3: would never have seen it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like same thing with Caddyshack, Like I can know that
Speaker 3: it's popular, and just because I've heard of it, it's
Speaker 3: a legendary movie. But again, I would have had to
Speaker 3: going out of my way to like, hey, let's go
Speaker 3: to brenta VHS when I was eight nine years old.
Speaker 3: And that's just I meant. I wasn't doing that at
Speaker 3: that time. That's kind of like with with you, I
Speaker 3: tried to. I don't think of that story specifically, but
Speaker 3: there are times where I'm I hesitate because I want
Speaker 3: to say, oh, John, you don't know this, You've never
Speaker 3: heard a lot.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is the very first time that
Speaker 1: I feel like this happened. It was when I was
Speaker 1: part time. I was filling in for mister Matt Allen
Speaker 1: on the Morning Show and you were talking about the
Speaker 1: movie Friday. I'd never seen any of the Friday Its
Speaker 1: still haven't, like you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 3: And that's a great example because you know what it is,
Speaker 3: yes you're familiar with it, but especially I mean, that's
Speaker 3: that's a movie that like when you were a kid,
Speaker 3: even if you were you're you're younger, and it still
Speaker 3: has some you know, some popularity, like your parents probably
Speaker 3: wouldn't want watching it. It's great, are you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? So that's a perfect example. It actually is
Speaker 3: pretty plausible that you would have never been in a
Speaker 3: situation where you had seen the original movie because that
Speaker 3: came out when I was young. So yeah, that's that's
Speaker 3: actually the best example. To be honest with you real
Speaker 3: quick before we get to a break. You know, we
Speaker 3: were talking about the just visualizing somebody in the studio
Speaker 3: doing I ain't scared. I know, like the musicians who
Speaker 3: do some of these jingles are so talented, like some
Speaker 3: of the commercials you here on this station and elsewhere,
Speaker 3: you know, TV s, TV commercials and whatnot about like
Speaker 3: you know, like Charman, Charman you knowercially Yeah, yeah, Like
Speaker 3: props to those people one for being talented, but also
Speaker 3: like their craft, like they could have their own like
Speaker 3: they they seemingly have the ability to sing and perform.
Speaker 3: Now maybe they don't have the image, you know, may
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, right, I would assume
Speaker 3: there's a ton of very talented musicians that never make
Speaker 3: it big, but like having the humility to go to
Speaker 3: go really get into it and show off your vocals
Speaker 3: and really just lay down a phenomenal performance in the
Speaker 3: recording booth, and you're singing about toilet paper that helps
Speaker 3: make sure you got your butt wiped good, Like the
Speaker 3: Sharman ones are like really high production value, but you
Speaker 3: know it's literally talking about why their toilet paper will
Speaker 3: get your butt cleaner than others. Like, you know, I
Speaker 3: think I think that speaks to somebody who realizes their
Speaker 3: talent and they're gonna make a living off of it.
Speaker 3: But they're they're not they're not too you know, they're
Speaker 3: not letting their ego get in the way.
Speaker 1: Clear if they'll take themselves too serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like imagine walking in, like you're just randomly walking
Speaker 3: into a recording studio and you're hearing a phenomenal artist
Speaker 3: rather it be a vocalist or somebody doing I don't know,
Speaker 3: rapping whatever, and they're you know, it's just specifically about
Speaker 3: a corny it's a corny jingle for a product. Like again,
Speaker 3: I think that speaks to humility. That's just me though.
Speaker 3: All Right, we got another hour to go. We'll finish
Speaker 3: strong here. Five o'clock hour on a hallow edition of
Speaker 3: Coffee and Company is next right here on Sports Talk
Speaker 3: seven ninety