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Speaker 1: At the forefront when you first see it. Protest you

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dot com and their counterpart on Twitter is a place

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where you can find amazing videos like this well sort

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of pastor showing that he can walk on air. That's

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the work of Protestia dot com and it is also

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though the tip of what they do. They are an

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organization headed by a guy named David Morril who joins

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us today, and if you read further down the line,

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he's a deeply theological man who has paid a price

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for speaking his mind, both as a National Guard member

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and as a citizen, and he's gladly paid that price.

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He joins us today with the courtesy of our YouTube channel,

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YouTube dot com slash at The Todd Herman Show ends

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under the great auspices of God Almighty.

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Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by

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big pharma technocrats and tyrans everywhere from the hind mountains

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of Free American Here's the Emerald City God her Man.

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Speaker 1: Today is today the Lord has made, and these are

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the times to which God has decided we shall live.

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David Merril joins us live from Denver, Colorado, a city

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that has been seattlezed.

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Speaker 3: David appreciate you being here. Thank you man, thanks for

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having me on the show. Todd loved to see you. Yeah,

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good to see you. Love your hat, love what you're

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doing at protest to you dot com. Let's start real quick,

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just by groundsetting that you're a guy who's paid a

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cost for free speech. And I know the podcast family

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will appreciate this because people who are willing to pay

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these prices I think mean something to us. So talk

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about what happened to you as a National Guard member.

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Speaker 4: Well so, and then first I should say that nothing

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I say represents the army or the Colorado National Guard.

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But yeah, well yeah, I gotta say that. You gotta

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put that out there, you know, I mean, they really

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require that. Okay. Yeah. Back in twenty twenty two, I

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was doing this, the protesting, this podcast actually with a

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past or friend of mine, JD. Hall, and we talked

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politics and we talked because you know, it's very much

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from a Christian conservative perspective, but we talk politics, and

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you know, the modern modern times and modern situations as

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Christians who want to be civilly engaged, civically engaged politically engaged,

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and I said some stuff on that podcast again off

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duty as a National Guardsman. We're on duty, then we're

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off duty, and I'm off duty and kind of irregular

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clothes like I am now, probably wearing the same hat

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or something else, and I said some things that then

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somebody reported to the guard PAO and they decided to

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punish me. So they actually punished me militarily for the content,

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not not just that I said something, but the content

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of what I said, and accused me of being a

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racist in an official memorandum. Accused me of being racist.

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And it was because I said that I didn't see

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the evidence that George Floyd was targeted because of his race,

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not that he wasn't, but just that I didn't see

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the evidence.

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Speaker 1: I said, you didn't see the evidence.

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Speaker 4: Right, That's exactly what I said. I I don't see

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the evidence George Floyd was targeted because of his race.

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But the funny thing is Keith Ellison, who prosecuted Derek Chauvin,

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said the same thing. The extremely liberal prosecutor that put

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Derek Chauvin in prison didn't charge him with a hate

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crime because he didn't see the evidence that Floyd was targeted.

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Because of his race. I said the same thing. I

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got punished for it and I wasn't even on duty.

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Has nothing to do with the military. So it's just

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kind of crazy times in terms of the free speech

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that we're living in, And for me, at least, my

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heart is to what can I do to help service

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members be able to not have this happen to them. Now,

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I'm pretty old as far as military goes, but I'm

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thinking about the younger guy who can't afford to fight.

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I can afford to fight. Well.

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Speaker 1: I love that you think of it that way, and

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you did sue for your First Amendment rights right? Didn't

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's in the Colorado of District Court as we speak.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's try this video again, this pastor walking

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on air to see if you're convinced and perhaps you'll

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end up following this church. Here we go. This is

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from Protestia dot Com. That looks like the Brady Bunch set.

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Speaker 4: That sooks good, beautifully well shot.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, they spared no expense. Wow, like the Lord

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Jesus himself competer walk on water. Do you ever get

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people angry at you? Did you ever get the pastors

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or the impastors or pastor pastric Si. Do you ever

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get in touch with you and get angry with you?

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private message or something, or every once in a while

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nasty grams. Yeah right, we just we ignore them where

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reaching people and drag attention. And you're a thinker theologically,

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serious aspects of this. We'll go back and forth and

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misleading flocks and the false teachers. So we'll talk about

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this with David Morrel. Hey, last night, I decided to

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the fact that you can fill protest you dot com

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on such a regular basis with these astonishing videos of

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heretics causing theological mischief. I think you call it. That

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means to me that there is a plethora of this

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stuff available. If you were to guess in the churches

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in America, what percentage do you think are biblically sound?

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you think are biblically sound churches?

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Speaker 4: It's probably I would think around fifteen twenty percent. Yeah,

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you know, maybe lower, depending on exactly where we draw

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a survey that's very famous that shows that

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about fifteen percent of youth pastors have a biblical worldview.

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Speaker 4: That's the youth.

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Speaker 1: Pastors, and that means that the flock doesn't. So obviously

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Satan's at work in this. He wants to destroy christ Church.

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your view of this and pastors and how you think

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they should be interacting politically, Well.

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Speaker 4: The challenge has always been in I mean, and I

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speak specifically from an evangelical perspective, as an evangelical, but really,

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in all Christian churches, how much should politics and civic

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engagement be directly preached from the pulpit. You know pastors

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who who preach through the whole council of God's Word,

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the whole council of the Bible, and they do it

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faithfully and they don't dodge and pick certain topics and

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not others, depending on what the culture. You know, the

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current cultural zeitgeist is, usually have flocks that know how

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to then apply that to their political participation. You know,

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as people who live in a country it is self

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governed yep, where it is the people who actually possessed

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the governmental political authority, how to you navigate that within

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the church? And now that the you know, as I

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like to say, the bloom is off the roads as

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far as church is trying to stay out of the culture,

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and they're all becoming much more politically and civilly engaged.

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to the culture, but also a lot of opportunity for

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falsehoods to enter the church by way of talking about

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culture and talking about politics.

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Speaker 1: So you're so close to this closer than I am,

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and I'm always curious about what how many of these

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pastors know they're faking it? You know, we had a

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pastor at our church, a former Lutheran church in Seattle.

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I'm an evangelical non donam, and we found out he'd

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been trained in one of the sooral schools, so he

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was a shepherd for sale. And they had this great deal.

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who fought against this, and ultimately the church made a

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bad decision and they hired the guy David. I kid

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you not. His sermons always contain quotes from South Park,

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a blatantly at least antagonistic to Christ, if not anti

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christ show, given the way they treated the Lord Jesus

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every sermon. And I saw that this guy came in

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and the church body was decimated and some people stayed,

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but it became then this political church. And I always

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Speaker 4: Teacher?

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you know that you are making yourself

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an enemy of the Lord Jesus? Talk me through this.

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Speaker 4: You never really know, You never really know. But the

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thing is, we're not called to know necessarily the motives

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of another person's heart. We are called to judge what

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Christian is and that's one of the ways that we

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accountable for what's being taught, what's being promoted, what's being done.

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they're in it for personal gain and to make themselves

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famous or rich or whatever. And then you're gonna have

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some that are they're self deceived, they really don't know.

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that there will be those on the last day that say,

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Lord Lord, did we not do all these things in

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your name? Did we not prophesy? And basically they list

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all these great works and he says, yeah, depart from me,

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I never knew you. And then he defines it. He says,

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depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. So he says,

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this is how you will know. This is how you

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will know that you were not mine, that you are

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not preaching the true Christ. You are not teaching true doctrine.

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Is the works of lawlessness that are the evidence of that.

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Speaker 1: So this ruings us back. I think too, we're talking

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about Denver becoming sattlized and lawlessness, and again it's politics

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and faith meeting. I tend to believe that Satan runs

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his organization like a military outfit, right, He's the supreme leader.

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He's got bosses of tens and bosses of hundreds, and

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there's no debate. Satan runs things, and I think he

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takes test runs. So I tend to believe he is

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right now prepping the world for the arrival of the

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lawless one, which to me brings us back to pastors

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on the pulpit. How do they approach this without making

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every single sermon a discussion of this bill or that bill,

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or this politician or that politician. I have my view,

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what's yours? If you get down to the actual act

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of standing in front of your congregation, how would you

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advise pastors to address things like the open lawlessness in Denver?

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Letting you know homeless people, sees houses, and et cetera.

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Speaker 4: It's they need to not fear the culture. The word

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of God, the Bible speaks into every one of these issues,

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every one. There's no new sin under the sun, right,

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we're going through is brand new, nobody's ever experienced this before,

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it's never happened. That's that's not true. And the Bible,

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which God very much designed to be for all of time,

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that an immovable truth speaks into all of it. So

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be responsive. I mean, you can be responsive to what's

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going on in the lives of the congregation, and that

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involves being being informed about what's going on out there

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and then preach the unapologetic word of God into those circumstances.

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And the problem is pastors are very often afraid to

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do it for those reasons. They're they're going to offend somebody.

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And it's like, yeah, but you're you're a preacher of

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the Word of God. You're going to offend somebody. That's it.

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It's going to offend a godless culture obviously.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think you know, if you look at

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protesta dot com and Devenrol the publisher. There are people

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who are going to watch these pastors and they're going

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to be offended. On the behalf of Jesus. Christs are

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the people who are offended that you're bringing light to this.

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and they're in their bubble think, in their bubble world,

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and then you simply popularize it, right, popularize it here

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you go, what do you want pastors to be doing

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in eldership, in church shepherding? Because you have a friend

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of us who wrote a book Shepherd's for Sale. How

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do church leadership bodies, and we're part of that body,

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as the members of a church, how do they look

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for signs that their church is being politicized or being

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made heretical.

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it's it's the Bible encourages every Christian. I mean, the

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responsibility to discipline the church is the responsibility of all believers.

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I mean, that's certainly what I believe, and I think

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that's that's what the Bible supports, and I think that

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that's what churches should do. But we have to remember

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that that pastors are not in an elevated status of

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spiritual authority. They are they're brothers among us, They're among

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the flock. You know, the Bible says, shepherd the flock

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among you, and so they they should be afforded the benefit.

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the church around them watching their back. And we like,

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as Christians, we need other Christians to watch our backs

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and tell us when we're doing something wrong and be

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willing to love us enough to challenge us. You know.

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guys that we think are teaching falsely or people that

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are doing things in the name of Christ that are

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that are not biblical and are not Christian, is because

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we love them. It seems like it seems like, well,

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if you love them, you wouldn't challenge them. But the

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Bible very much is in support of challenging, challenging people

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who you love. Yeah, it's an exercise of Christian love

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to watch our pastors back. They need. I mean, pastors

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are out there kind of floating in the wind sometimes

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feeling like if I don't do the right thing from

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the pulpit, or I don't have the music of the

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right volume or the carpet, the right power or whatever

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I'm going to get. I'm gonna get torched. Right. These

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people are gonna fire me, They're gonna kick me out,

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and so it's very unstable. They need to know that

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if you're faithful to preach the Word, you're faithful to

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preach the full counsel of the Word into the culture,

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that there are other men and women in your church

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that love you and they have your back, and they'll

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go to the map for you. It's really important that

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they know that they're not our employee, that they are

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our fellow believer, and that we're they have our support. Yep.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Bible, man, I know the Bible

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teaches us that we can learn to know the Good

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Shepherd's voice.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: The Lord Jesus said, my sheep know my voice. Right,

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I'm the good Shepherd. So when we spend time in

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his words on a consistent basis and around more mature Christians,

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people who have gone through a longer or maybe they're

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faster learners than their spiritual walks, everybody learns differently. We

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learn the voice of the Lord Jesus, the Good Shepherd

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I think this is an ultimate defense when a church

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will start to fall. Let me give you some personal

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examples you can have in this society where Satan is

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just just abusing kids with gender confusion. You'll have a

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teenager who might come home and say, yeah, well, Mom,

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what do you know you're a CIS woman. The first

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time you hear your teenagers say sis, you need to

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stop and say it. Wait, hold on a second, what

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does that mean? Sis? What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: Explain?

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Speaker 1: And you know, but this means that your child has

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begun speaking the language of the enemy. So when our

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church fell, it was preceded by one of our pastors

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who began doing sermons about the earth. And I sat

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and listened to a sermon one day about the earth,

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and he sprinkled in some Jesus. You know, here's my view.

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I want climate change legislation. Let's sprinkle some Jesus on

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top of that. And then a sermon that didn't contain

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a single word of God. And I did. What you're

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supposed to do is to go firsonally to the pastor

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and say, I'm pretty disturbed that was a political speech.

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You didn't contain the word of God at all. So

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are there minds like that that we can see in

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our churches that are their key words or key phrases,

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or is there a line of attack the enemies using

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those commonly to get pastors to spread lies.

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Speaker 4: Well, certainly it's you know, Chris, As Christians, we were

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kind of predisposed to try to be understanding, to try

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to hope all things, and to assume anything that's being

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you know, pushed in or or promoted in the name

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of Jesus, we were we've kind of been trained to

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not to back off and not really judge that in

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the way that we should. And so the the these

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worldly ideologies, these ideologies that are not found in scripture,

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they're found outside of scripture, very often found in you know,

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long standing worldviews that oppose a biblical worldview. They sneak

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in on that basis. So we we when when a

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pastor is preaching from the Word of God, when they're

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actually taking the meaning of the text and teaching that,

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we call that Exejesus. They're explaining the meaning of the text.

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would call is of Jesus. They're reading outside meaning into

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the text and it sounds like in this case, it's

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just like, well, I'm going to say Jesus a few

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times and sort of try to christianize, right, yeah, And

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so for the guy in the pews, it's basically, be

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aware of these godless ideologies that are out there. Be

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aware of the godlessness of modern climate change ideology, the

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godlessness of modern gender ideology, the godlessness of modern race ideology,

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and in critical race theory, these kinds of things. Be

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aware of what those are. So that when you hear

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something that's being said being done in the name of

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Jesus or taught in the name of Jesus, but you

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recognize the content is not biblical and it actually matches

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with one of these other unbiblical ideologies, that's the time

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to do exactly what you did and question him and

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say you didn't get that from the Bible. Where did

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that come from? Right? Right?

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Speaker 1: I've been a proponed to the idea that the most

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powerful form of propaganda is something called the propaganda of silence.

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you know it's happening. So this is used by the

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mockingbird media all the time that the propaganda of silence.

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Our media here is really loath to report on what

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Elon Musk did when he lit this flame in England

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by actually drawing attention back to this insane scandal of

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these gangs of Pakistani men going and sexually assaulting girls

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and grooming them and turning them out right, that he

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has lit this Fightman, now there's this outrage. The power

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of the mockingbird media here is to say, yeah, we're

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not going to talk about that. They did this with

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the lies of transgenderism. Oh that's not happening. There's no

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sex at in the schools. They just ignored it. I

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think it's harder to look at a church body and

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observe that, wait, we're not going to talk about the

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definition of marriage. We're not going to revisit this. I mean,

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this is a big deal abortion. The left tried to

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make that a huge election issue, and we're not going

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to talk about the sanctity of life. Do you think

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that's a harder challenge for people in the pews that

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they have to now observe the silence and then maybe

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go ask like, hey, why are we silent on this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is. It is because again, I mean,

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you want to trust your pastor. You want to trust

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the people that you believe God has placed in these positions.

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And so when they sin, and they will their men

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and you know they're the regular guys when they sin

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or they air a lot of churches and the thing is,

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you don't see it until it's too late. But a

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lot of churches let in the church members, let this

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go on, Let this go on and metastasize until it's

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too late, and now there's a church split, or it's

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too late, and now there's a sex scandal from the pulpit.

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And that entire time, that man placed in that position

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was basically robbed of the benefit of having his fellow

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believers hold him accountable. He needed that, and a lot

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of churches deny it to him because it's it's hard

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work challenging somebody, especially somebody who who everybody else sees

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as as the leader and they and they are they're

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supposed to be leading within that congregation. Challenging that person

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sometimes comes with a significant cost. I mean, and a

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lot of us that have done this kind of work,

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I mean, we know we've paid that cost. Like our

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church is a Southern Baptist church, and I mean the

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Southern Baptist Convention, and the guys that run that won't

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pick up the phone for me, like I'm I'm forresna

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on grata over there. But that's the price that sometimes

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has to be paid to be to be willing to

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challenge when when it needs to happen, even though it's

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an exercise of love. Right.

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Speaker 1: And I've pointed this out that there's people who are

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not church going Christians, or maybe I would refer to

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as as cultural Christians or ethnic Christians. And my family

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is Christian, therefore I think I'm Christian. They won't necessarily

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know the name like JD. Greer, I mean Pastor Greer.

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I have some of his books at home Win by Losing,

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and I actually think he has been God's worked through

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him phenomenally to grow that church and to make it

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a church that turns out disciples. So imagine my shock

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when I hear Pastor Greer saying, yeah, we should use

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the fake pronouns and we should respect that. And I

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know the answer spiritually, it is the deceiver, the distort

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or Satan himself who's causing this. But how did the

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Southern Baptist Convention, I mean, how did people there not

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notice that they were going so far off the rails

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in so many ways.

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Speaker 4: Well, and in the Southern Baptist Convention, because it's not

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a denomination and churches are churches are autonomous, then kind

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of do what they want, but like to use JD. Grew,

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he's a pastor out in North Carolina, a big I

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mean megachurch, multi sit megachurch, recommended using preferred pronouns, and

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I for him, it's interesting because I don't think it

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was this church that really kind of got him back on,

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because he repented of that later, he quit doing that later.

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I think it was actually the the you know websites

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like Hours and the Information Age and the Internet then

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expose this and and and helped bring to bear just

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common sense wisdom. You know, I'm basically saying, hey, you know,

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preferred pronouns are lying. You know, you're not permitted to

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bear false witness just to make somebody feel you are

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the first.

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Speaker 1: Person I've met actually repeats that to me, like I

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can't lie. And I defended my pastory. He'd said about

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the injections, well, look, if you're told to take him,

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if to take him, and I had to stay to

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my pastor no, I'm going to write you a piece

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on this. These are not vaccines. This is a lie.

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I'm not going to inject my body with a lie,

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just like the mask is a lie.

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Speaker 4: Right, I'm going to an even if the word doing

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I mean biblically speaking, we bodily autonomy is a biblically

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derived right for human beings. You don't. You don't have

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a right to tell me how to to to stay healthy.

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That's actually a responsibility God gave to me, and the

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responsibility God gave to me for my family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, super super well said. So I want to get

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to the work of a guy named Andy Stanley. Here

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a second with David Morrel. Morrel and I want you

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to talk about some of the bigger personalities. You wrote

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a great piece and kind of reviewing a friend of

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yours book Shepherd's for Sale, which is an important book

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we should talk about. So in a second, I want

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to show people this Andy Stanley video because this is

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the fear of Oh gosh, we're going to get called

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bad names. And we'll continue this discussion with David. I'm

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going down to Mexico again. I am going back down

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for stem cell treatment. Now you can hear this and say, man, Herman,

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you're falling apart. I'm not. I'm probably, in praise God,

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the top one percent of five percent of health for

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men my age. And it's really because I'm a lunatic

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and working out. Fitness is my passion, so I do

483
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a lot of it. I'm very, very mechanical about what

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I eat, to eat the same basically three foods every

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day of my life, and I track all my macrobotics.

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Here's why I'm going back down is I cannot get

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to some of my fitness goals without this. I got

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a thing going on with my back, my s side.

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Does that sound familiar?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yes, side joint clicks it.

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Speaker 1: I know the bad weathers coming. It's not going to

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get better on its own. It's degrading a little bit.

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But the tissue around it, the tendons around it, the

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cartilage around that can be revived. And what they do

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is they use ethically gathered stem cells. Never anything to

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do with abortion ever. It is placentas umbilical cords only.

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They pay for the entire cost of birth for these women,

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the whole thing, even if they don't use the stem cells,

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and they do reject some of the stem cells, in

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fact of maybe even half of the stem cells. They

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track the health of the mother and the baby. Threat

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by the way, if they see something wrong, they'll tell them, hey,

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this is a concern. They obviously shepherd the responsibility. So

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what they will do is they will take a number

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of stem cells, maybe up to forty two million, and

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they'll inject them very very carefully into my lower back

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and it will regenerate any tissue, cartilage, tendon, muscle, and

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it will give me an opportunity, even at the age

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of fifty seven, to maybe one one more time pull

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a four hundred or fo hundred and fifty pound dead

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the one more time. And that can mean nothing to you.

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It probably should mean nothing, because there's people watching it

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or listening to this is saying, oh, good for you, dude.

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I can't get out of my car, i can't feel

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my hands. I'm being told to have to have this

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or that surgery, being pills for this in my life.

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And that's the point. Because I'm entertaining myself with fitness,

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and I think shepherding the body was given. It's even

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more meaningful for you. Don't buy what Big Farm is selling.

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Get in touch with renew dot healthcare. Ask them if

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It's renew r E n u e dot healthcare. It's

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r E nue dot Healthcare. David Moral, this is again

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from protesta dot com and your corresponding Twitter channel. Pastor

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Andy Stanley compares Christians calling Democrats evil to well, let's

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see if y'all can guess.

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Speaker 4: Here we go.

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Speaker 5: Political affiliation has become the litmus test for orthodoxy. I

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hope you haven't seen this, but let me just tell

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you what I'm about to tell you is not kind.

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Speaker 1: Of off in a corner.

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Speaker 5: This is main line speaking and posting, and books are

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written in chapters and books are written about this right now.

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The current thing for the last three or four years

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is that you can't. I was going to put this

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on the screen, but there are things I should never

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put on a screen to have a picture taken because anyway,

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so you know what the messaging is now, this isn't

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in the corner these are If I name the people

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who are saying these things, you've heard of most of them,

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you've read some of their books. That you can't be

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a Christian and be a Democrat. You you can't possibly

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be a true Christian if you're a Democrat, which is

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absolutely absurd. But what's even more absurd is as conservative

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Christians Republicans demonize Democrats, all democrats, and you can't possibly

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be a Christian as they do demonize democrats, they basically

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go against one of Jesus' primary teachings. Instead of loving

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their enemies, all these lost democrats, they demonize them. They

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make democrats the enemy. And what did Jesus tell us

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to do with our enemies?

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Speaker 4: Anybody?

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Speaker 1: Remember?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So let me just say that, those of you

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who are conservative politically like me.

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Speaker 4: If you do that, stop it.

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Speaker 5: You can disagree, but you don't write somebody off as

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bad and evil.

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Speaker 1: Here's why you.

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Speaker 5: Think it's just think it's just kind of funny. You

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study history. All that has to happen in any country

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is for a majority to decide a minority is evil.

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And once they're evil, they're cockroaches, and they're rats.

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Speaker 1: And cockroaches rats gets this too, of course Nazi Germany.

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Hey you guessed it. Congratulations, chicken dinner Winter. So who

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is this guy and why does Andy Stanley? I mean,

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he matters because he is created by God in his

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image and that we are to love our enemies, absolutely right,

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But why does he have the footprint that he does

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and what is his influence?

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Speaker 4: Well, so Andy Stanley is a another megachurch pastor down

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down in Georgia, but son of Charles Stanley, who was

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kind of a kind of a well known name and

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then sort of history of conservative evangelicalism, and then his

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son Andy starts his own church a little while ago,

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kind of build into a big empire. But Andy Stanley

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is in the category of what I would describe as

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seeker sensitive pastors seeker sensitive churches, which are churches that

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have basically designed themselves around appealing to unbelievers and lost

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people that come to visit the church. And not that

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there's anything wrong with evangelism or anything wrong with preaching

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the Gospel, but that's actually not what church services are for.

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So what ends up happening is the what should be

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worship of God, preaching of the Word of God, the

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gathering of Christians together becomes it it it becomes degraded

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as they start to change things in their church to

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appeal to the to the sensibilities of people that aren't

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followers of Jesus Christ and so so I mean, I

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mean Andy Stanley's church has been they've they've they've gone

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soft on l g B t Q issues. They've they've

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gone soft on, uh, you know, the roles of men

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and women in ministry. They had a conference very recently

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that they didn't stream or anything like that because I

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think they knew what was going to happen. They basically

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have had told parents how to to handle their their

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l g B t Q identifying children, not by telling

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them what God says and what the Bible says, but

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by affirming their feelings and affirming these things, how to

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how to basically minister to your quote unquote gay children.

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That's that's been a big part of what they do.

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But you saw in that Andy Stanley clip, he didn't

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he didn't really deal with the issue. He challenge the terms.

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This is a big problem not only in just our

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post modern society where people they don't actually talk about

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the idea in and of itself as strongly connected with

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the term. They deconstruct the term. So if someone says,

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you know, like hey, democrats can't be Christian, well the

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next thing you should be asking is what do you

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mean by democrats and what do you mean by Christian

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If you can really solidify those two things, now you

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can actually judge whether that statement is true or not.

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So if someone like me says, well, you can't be

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a Democrat and a Christian, what I'm really saying is

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you can't be a Democrat as defined by democrat ideology

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and politics and believe those things in any sort of

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consistency with being a Bible believing Christian that believes what

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the Bible teaches about things. Those two things are not compatible.

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Well Andy just throws that out the window, and he says,

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no democrat is just whatever somebody says it is. If

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they say they're a democrat.

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Speaker 1: There's a great very confusing, very confusing. There's a great

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book called the Gay Gospel. If you read this book,

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I haven't read it, okay, I know written by a

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guy who was a pastor and then he had these

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same sex attraction feelings. It haunted him and he gave in.

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So he and look, that's a super hard thing. Anyone

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who thinks it's not hard has never really really had

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a conflict of heart and emotionally romantically, never been through

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divorce or anything like that. I mean things are hard sometimes,

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or saying no to a relationship that you shouldn't have.

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Speaker 4: Like it's hard.

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Speaker 1: So he fell, and he then had this racked with guilt.

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I shouldn't be doing this. I know what the Bible says,

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I know what it says about sexuality. And then David,

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he found a a same sex attracted friendly church. And

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here's the pitch.

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Speaker 4: Here's the pitch.

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Speaker 1: The Bible does say marriages between a man and a woman.

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But God is a loving god. He made us way.

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He would never punish us for being who we are

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because it's unfair and God is fair and just. That's

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the pitch. And when people hear that, there's a great

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piece of research A friend of mine did that what

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liberals and moderates value in any political discourse or moral

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discourse is fairness and compassion. They don't think about liberty,

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they don't think about law and order, they don't think

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about Afro effects, they don't think about unintentional harm. Is

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it compassion and fair? So that really appeals to them. Well,

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that sounds very compassionate and fair and inspired by what

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you said defining our terms. Well, wait a minute, how

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do you define same sex attraction? Is it a feeling

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or an identity? And let's poke away at that a

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little bit. If someone is kleptomaniacal and they like to steal,

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is that their identity now? And where to sponsor that?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: This is what they're This is where to sponsor that.

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What I see Andy Stanley doing there is caring in fairness,

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compassion in fairness.

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Speaker 4: Is it fair? So?

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Speaker 1: How do we out love fake love? Because we're to

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approach things like same sex attraction and those struggles, We're

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to approach them with love. We're to approach democrats who

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have been abused of the idea that open borders is

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the only way to show love to migrants or illegal immigrants,

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it's the only way to do it. How do we

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outlove them?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's I would argue that that's probably not the

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right way to look at it.

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Speaker 1: Good, let's hear that.

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Speaker 4: If we're Christians, then by definition we're believers in the

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power of the Holy Spirit of God to do work

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in and among us, and in among our culture. And

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so you know, my encouragement is always to not try

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to lean on our own wisdom and understanding and our

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own strength. And if I can only explain it this,

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then maybe they'll they'll quit doing this thing that I

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know is sinful. But but be willing to pay the

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price for preaching the truth in love and patience and

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and you know what the Bible will describe as long suffering.

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So for somebody, somebody who's struggling with same sex attraction,

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they know that it's wrong scripturally, they know what the

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Bible teaches. Our job is not to try try to

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win them over by our own cunning and understanding. It's

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basically to say, this is what the Bible teaches. I

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love you, and because I love you, I'm not going

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to withhold this from you. And you might hate me

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for it. You know, Jesus said, I've come to divide

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father against son, you know, mother against daughter. That that

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would happen. We don't want that, I mean our of course,

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in our humanity, we don't want that. It's not something

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that we seek out. But are we willing to pay

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the price. Because the biggest way that this kind of thing,

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this especially with kids. I mean that the the transgender

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stuff with kids and the you know my kid is

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I mean five year olds and I think he's he's

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differently attracted or he's a woman. The way that this

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infiltrates well meaning churches, well meaning Christian households and things

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is because they are unwilling to put their allegiance to

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God and his truth above the relationship. So like, and

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we find this with conservative Christian pastors and all of

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a sudden, they flip the switch and they're teaching something

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different than what the Bible teaches about gender. And ninety

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nine times out of one hundred, you find that this

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was a personal relationship. This was like my son came out,

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my daughter came out, my my niece or something was

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you know, their parents were claiming that she was a

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boy trapped in a girl's body or something. And because

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they are unwilling to, because they're really idolizing and loving

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their relationships more than they're loving God, they change, they compromise,

713
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,400
they flip, and it's really tough. I don't even deny

714
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,639
how tough that is. When there's a there's a situation

715
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,239
in our families and people that we love that are

716
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,400
now being disobedient. But the question is do you love God?

717
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,559
And is truth more? And are you willing to be

718
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,679
consistent with them? And like, no, I can't go there.

719
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,039
I'm not changing what I believe about this. Right, you

720
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,960
need to repent, please, and I'm baking you repent.

721
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,519
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that we go there with them on

722
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,440
the pronouns et cetera. I'm going to share with you

723
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,039
in a second an example of what I mean. There's

724
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,199
this great debate about and you probably know you're far

725
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,239
more educated than I am, who actually said share the

726
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,199
Gospel with everyone you know and when necessary, use words right, right,

727
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,400
And there's another Okay, So I want to give you

728
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,760
an example of what I mean in terms of outloving them,

729
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,519
and I'll share it is a personal example. Never change

730
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:42,679
my views, will not. I'm very public and be very

731
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,159
difficult for anyone in my family to not ascertain my

732
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,559
views on these things. And that there are people who

733
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,760
hate my guts and they tend to promote the fact

734
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,480
that they hate my guts. But yeah, relying on God's

735
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,519
wisdom rather than ours. Yes, yes, yes, I agree constantly,

736
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,920
And wisdom is something that the Bible is thick in

737
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,239
it's also thick in respecting the common blessings that God

738
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,920
gave both the righteous and the unrighteous. The air, the water, warmth,

739
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:11,639
the sun, the earth on which we stand, and things

740
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,079
like cinnamon and hissop and holy basil. And there was

741
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,199
a guy named doctor Patrick jen Tempo. He was in

742
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,280
the Holy Land and he was walking where Jesus walks.

743
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,400
He has a podcast called Christ Revealed. He's a thinker theologically,

744
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:28,679
he's a doctor. And he was smelling all these spices

745
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:30,480
and herbs, and then he was opening the Bible, going wow,

746
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:33,280
these are mentioned all the time. Why are we pushing

747
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,480
drugs down people when there's in fact these common blessings.

748
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,719
So he took the intellect with which God blessed him

749
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,840
and he created this product, which is called Wisdom. And

750
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,000
it's a biblically based herbal blend in oil. And I

751
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,480
take it straight, and I won't do it right now

752
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,440
because this is the morning, but I take it straight,

753
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,679
and I'm constantly shocked by how strong it tastes. Why

754
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:57,000
does it taste so strong? It's so good because it's

755
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,480
made in cold brew process small batches, and then it

756
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,199
is infused with light waves and sound waves which locks

757
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,159
in the potency. So why do I take it. It's not

758
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:09,000
just because it tastes good, and it does taste good.

759
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,760
It's because of the benefits, immunological benefits, calming a sense

760
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,119
of mental clarity, and taking inflammation from what can be

761
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,000
an enemy to your body, and harnessing for your body's

762
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,639
good right. It's the common blessings of the Lord's provided.

763
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764
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767
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try Wisdomnow dot com slash todd. David Morrel. I had

768
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,239
this this family reunion this past spring, and one of

769
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,400
our family members is of the opinion that she is

770
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,199
a man, and I love her, and she's far younger

771
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:59,000
than me, and I was I felt stress and worry

772
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,760
about this, and then I went to the Bible. Okay,

773
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,880
I knew I wasn't going to refer to her with

774
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,320
male pronouns. I can't. I can choose to not use pronouns.

775
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,320
My primary motivation there was to let me disappear for

776
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,719
her to experience God's love through me. And so when

777
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,920
I saw her and approached her, I screwed up because

778
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,920
I couldn't remember the new name. She corrected me, I'm

779
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,679
willing to use the name. That's her name. That's not

780
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,519
a lie, that's her name. She's changed her name. And

781
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,760
after we'd spent some time together, something amazing happened. David,

782
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,559
a homeless woman having a psychotic break drove up into

783
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:38,039
the mountains, I think, to kill herself, and my family

784
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,239
member found her and screamed for help, and I ran

785
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,760
up the hill and she and I together partnered in

786
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,159
helping this young girl. And then my sister came up,

787
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:51,599
a liberal nurse practitioner, a liberal, very progressive, very terrified

788
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,039
of Trump, and she and I then tended to that

789
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:57,400
girl for the rest of the day, pretty much ignoring

790
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,960
the family reunion because she needed it to be safe.

791
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:02,480
Here's what happened is when I was leaving, I got

792
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,440
an opportunity to walk up to this young woman who

793
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,559
is gender confused, and I meant this, and this is

794
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:09,360
what the Holy Spirit gave me is I came to

795
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,280
her and said, I know you and I disagree in

796
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,639
something fundamentally important to you. I know that, and you

797
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,039
know that, but I want you to know I am

798
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:20,039
delighted to see you.

799
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: Well, I love you.

800
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,519
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of the career building, and I want

801
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:27,599
you to know that God has given you some great,

802
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:34,199
great gifts. And her response emotionally not why I said it,

803
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,400
but to see tears in her eyes and a recognition

804
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,199
that you still love me, and a recognition of there's

805
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,159
this thing you and I disagree on it, and you

806
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,760
know it. My primary goal was that she walked away

807
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:55,519
with Wait, where was the hate filled Christian wishing me

808
00:41:55,559 --> 00:42:00,840
to hell? That's what I mean by share the gospel

809
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:04,880
when not using words that wow, that old man family member,

810
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,840
he actually read he does love me because I saw

811
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,519
tears in his eyes. Does that make sense? That's what

812
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:09,920
I'm talking about outloving them?

813
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, and that is that is a it is

814
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,840
a valid component in something that we should all be doing.

815
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,760
You know, I mean, Jesus teaches us to love our enemies, right,

816
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,880
So what what does that mean? He's he's he's he's

817
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,119
not teaching us that somebody who is violating the rights

818
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:28,599
of others, or somebody that is attacking us or our

819
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,360
families that we just sit there and take it. That's

820
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,400
not what he's teaching. But he is teaching that we

821
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,079
are to be selfless in our approach to everybody else

822
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,840
so they can know as is as you outline there,

823
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,719
that we disagree, that we believe this is this is

824
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,760
a I mean a sinful problem. This is a problem

825
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,920
that can separate you from the kingdom even and yet

826
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,679
still in my role is I'm going to love you

827
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,599
as much as I can. I'll give you the shirt

828
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,320
off my back. I don't you know that what you

829
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,800
believe or what you practice in this area or those

830
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,199
kinds of things, it has no impact on my desire

831
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,519
to love you. But who defines love, well, God defines love.

832
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So love for her is going to be not compromising

833
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,480
the truth, not being unwilling to tell her, and and really,

834
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:11,480
like you know, following the leading of the spirit in

835
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:15,239
that conversation, right, the Spirit of God will tell us

836
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,280
now is the time that you need to really tell

837
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,719
them the truth? Or now is the time when you

838
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,800
need to just love them materially. And that's yeah, that

839
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,000
can be difficult to navigate sure for Christians. But the

840
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,239
important thing to know is that love is not defined

841
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,079
by their preferences. Love is not defined by their feelings

842
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,039
or what they want. But it love does involve, you know,

843
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,719
materially caring for people that we know are in sin.

844
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,599
We know that that you know or you know we

845
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,480
believe or lost, we still care for them.

846
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that God placed that young girl

847
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,800
there who is having this psychotic break and she'd you know,

848
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,320
a drug user. She still had on her on her

849
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,840
wrist a hospital brace that because she'd checked herself out

850
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,760
of treatment. I believe God placed her right there so

851
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,159
that my younger family member would be the first to

852
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:03,880
finder and scream for help, and I would be the

853
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,880
second one there so that she could go, Wow, this

854
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,760
old man, he's like tossing everything aside, freezing, giving this

855
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,920
girl his coat as this like terrible spring snow is

856
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,880
falling on him. And I'm not trying to take credit

857
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,920
for it. I mean we're called to do that. I

858
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,199
want to place one more video clip here.

859
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 4: This is a.

860
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: False pasture awoke in pastor, by the way, you should

861
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trademark that if you invented that, that's a great phrase.

862
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:36,400
And in pastor talking about the militaristic bs. And I

863
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,119
want to get your reaction to this and talk about

864
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,920
militarism and the Church. And there are people who online

865
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:47,960
are really really proposing that Christians get overtly militaristic, that

866
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:50,199
you know what, the Christian army should go seize the

867
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,880
Middle East, we should go seize these countries. We should

868
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,000
forcibly physically fight back. And I want to talk about

869
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:58,199
that trend. Let's watch this video together.

870
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,599
Speaker 6: And the last Sunday of the today is also designated

871
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:07,960
to be sort of traditionally Christ the King Sunday, or

872
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,360
in modern times more likely called Reign of Christ Sunday.

873
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: And the point is this, I do not like the.

874
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 6: Concept of Christ the King Sunday, and I really don't

875
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,239
want to preach on it. And the reason is that

876
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,000
it has traditionally gotten preached as a kind of a

877
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:31,800
triumphalist victory over all our enemies, militaristic kind of thing.

878
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,320
And I think a that has no relationship whatsoever with

879
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,280
the notion of unconditional love that I believe is at

880
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,800
the heart of the Gospel. And b Jesus would be

881
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,360
utterly horrified to be worshiped in that kind of way.

882
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:52,039
And see, that kind of militaristic has absolutely no place

883
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:59,079
in church, but at least try to remember the rest

884
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:04,000
of my sermon, So it has no place. And I

885
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:07,360
dislike it because it leads to all kinds of evil crap,

886
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,199
like Christian nationalism, which I declare to be a heresy,

887
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,039
which also leads to all kinds of evil, divisive.

888
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:20,199
Speaker 1: Crap like well, I really like a sermon with BS

889
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,639
and the sea word in it for feces, because that's

890
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:26,440
the emphasis we need. So she's making this statement that's

891
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,880
Christ the King is a militaristic statement. It's about stomping

892
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,480
on her enemies. She's not going to preach that. That's BS,

893
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:39,199
that sea word for for excrement. Your response to that,

894
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:42,079
and the response in the comment sections and her if

895
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:44,920
she had any what's how do you feel about all that?

896
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:50,519
Speaker 4: Well, there's a there's a Christian nationalism as defined by

897
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:55,199
the left, by like the Marxist left that's in Western culture,

898
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,199
which is a very different thing than sort of the

899
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,960
Christian nationalism that has talked about within the of evangelical

900
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,000
with a church conversation. And yeah, so this is this

901
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:07,679
is a pastors as we like to call female pastors,

902
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:11,840
a pastors at a at a very very radical I

903
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,400
believe it was an evangelical Lutheran church, and that that

904
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,760
denomination has been very left for a very long time

905
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,599
it and and basically pushing this idea that if you

906
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:25,599
say Christ is King, that's some sort of you know,

907
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,960
dog whistle or something like that for some sort of

908
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,599
militaristic uh, you know, takeover countries and Christianize them kind

909
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:35,119
of a thing. And well, yeah, I'm sure there's some

910
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,239
people on the fringes that support that kind of idea.

911
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,159
That the thing that I always pull from it is

912
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:42,599
to want a Christian nation. Is not to say that

913
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:46,159
we want a nation full of regenerate Christians. There's no

914
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:47,880
way we can prove that anyway. But I do want

915
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,920
a nation where our laws and our system and our

916
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:54,920
our civil governance and things is derived as it has

917
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,199
been for the history of this country, derived from Biblical precepts,

918
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,719
from Christian understandings of justice, the the amago day, the

919
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,239
sanctity of the individual as the rights bearer that then

920
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,719
gives the gives up some of that for the purpose

921
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,320
of governing a nation, but that they are the originators

922
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,519
of you know, God gives us rights and then we

923
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,440
give some of that in as as we desire to

924
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,360
to a government. I mean that is my definition of

925
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,119
a Christian nation is a nation that that operates itself

926
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,840
in accordance with God's standards. And yeah, there's gonna be

927
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,199
some there's gonna be some personal elements to that, right.

928
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,159
I mean, our our system of governance is is is

929
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,079
good for what? For? For a sound and moral people.

930
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:40,880
It's it's it's wholly unfit for any other. That's a

931
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,880
true thing. Right, So obviously we're gonna have to fight

932
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,039
a culture war. We're gonna have to fight a war

933
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:46,920
for our legal system, and we're gonna have to fight,

934
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:49,519
you know, for laws and government and structure to be

935
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:51,079
what they are. But we're also going to have to

936
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:54,760
fight the culture war of you know, that's sinful behavior,

937
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,079
you shouldn't do that. And I think that's that that's

938
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,480
what they really that's what she's really taking the issue with,

939
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:01,400
is like, what do you mean you're you mean you're

940
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,760
gonna tell me that that's that that's sinfle and that's wrong,

941
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,679
and that I can't be whatever gender I want and

942
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:07,440
so on and so forth. I think I think that's

943
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,320
what her her real beef was right.

944
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: And I think that Christian nationalism. For me, a Christian

945
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,320
nation does not mean what a lot of leftists fear

946
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,320
it means. And I have family members if it means this,

947
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,119
that we take over the government and then we come

948
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along and say, okay, convert or die. And it's funny.

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I've never saw Jesus do that one single time, because

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he could have made his work a lot shorter if

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he just came along and got like a thousand people

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said hey watch this, I'm Lord about to me. No, okay,

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you're all dead now next up right. It could have

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been short and easy, but he chose to do it

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the way he chose to do it. You know, it's

956
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far too much of this, David, And I don't know.

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I think I have time to discuss this other than

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talking about shepherds for sale in just a second. But

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there are financial motives at play for some of these churches,

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denying the Word of Christ and either deemphasizing the gospel

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or just refusing to go to the so called hearty

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issues of it, and money can pervert things. Look at

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our financial system. Our financial system is based upon a

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series of lies. One of the lies is that we

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have money. We don't we have digits that the Federal

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Reserve is a federal organization. It's not. It's a private

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group that makes money doing what they do. And we're

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headed into a time of real volatility, not necessarily based

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on lies, but a massive political change. President Trump going

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out there to purchase Greenland. He intends to have a

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to put your portfolio of retirements into a brand new world.

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There's a resource we didn't get to this. I kind

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of got just distracted in our conversation. But you have

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a friend of yours who's written a book called Shepherds

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for Sale, and it seems that you think this is

1002
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a great tool for pastors and people in congregation, and

1003
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last few minutes give us a download on that book

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of why you think it's important an important tool and

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a book that people should own.

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Speaker 4: So so back in back in July, Daily Wire reporter

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Megan Bashlor released a book called Shepherd for Sale, in

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which she basically had spent the last two years chronicling

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the leftist infiltration into different parts of American event especially

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American Evangelicalism, but American Christianity in general, through institutions, seminaries,

1011
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you know, podcasters and influencers, pastors and pulpits, you know,

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Christian media outlets like Christianity Today and these kinds of things.

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And like I bought a couple couple copies of the

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book and for my pastors, you know, my church, just

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to keep them aware of what's going on out there.

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But there are a lot of things. As guys are

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pastoring on a daily basis and there, and they're shepherding

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their local flocks, they can't possibly stay informed of everything

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going on in the broader in the broader conversation, the

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broader culture. And so I mean that's why websites like

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Protestsia exist and Meg Basherm's book Shepherds for Sale, Uh

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used a lot of our some of our research and

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things as well, which I appreciated, but it's it's kind

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of a good just a real good resource and catching

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pastors up about Okay, how when when I'm hearing these

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things coming into the church where I'm hearing the institutions

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I trust, start pushing critical theory and start pushing uh,

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you know, racial ideology that that it's unbiblical. Where did

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00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,199
it come from? How did it get here? Who are

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00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:41,639
who are the proponents of this? It's a really good resource.

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For that reason. I told people like, don't go buy

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00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,000
this book and bash your past over the head with it.

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Say oh, I heard that in your sermon and you

1034
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know you're you're anathema or something. Don't do that, but

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but use it as a resource to help catch them

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up with with with what's going on in the broader conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. And congratulations on Protestia the Twitter channel. Well,

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we every time we use your clip I or clips

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I really try to give you credit, and I hope

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you'll come back from time to time and join us.

1041
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And you're welcome anytime here. Appreciate your work and just

1042
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thank you for letting God use you that way. David,

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I appreciate you deeply.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Thanks. Do I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the Todd Herban Show. Please go, be well,

1046
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be strong, be kind, and just make every efforts on

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a daily basis to walk in the light of Christ.