Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
Speaker 1: I'll welcome everybody to another Headless's magical mail Bag. I
Speaker 1: got my co host Nick with me, and we have
Speaker 1: the world exclusive, first time ever appearance of our special guests,
Speaker 1: Winter York. Thank you for joining.
Speaker 2: Us, Winter, Thanks for having me awesome.
Speaker 1: It's great to have you here. After all of the
Speaker 1: stories we've got, I thought you had to join us,
Speaker 1: you know, we always do that on the show. So
Speaker 1: we're going to go over our symbols real quick and
Speaker 1: then we'll get into your stories. If that's all right.
Speaker 1: Go free to comment on anything if you want to.
Speaker 1: And oh, Nick, tell them where they can find you tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right. Well yeah tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Actually, people are around in Franklin, North Carolina tomorrow at
Speaker 4: the Chamber of Commerce.
Speaker 3: I think there's like something going on.
Speaker 4: At four o'clock and like the people from that Bigfoot
Speaker 4: event that will be there Saturday will be there and
Speaker 4: they'll be like some bar croll a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: people doing that supposedly, But Saturday at Franklin, North Carolina
Speaker 4: at the fun Factory. I think it's cool the factory
Speaker 4: or something like that.
Speaker 3: We will be there. We got a booth.
Speaker 4: There'll be a bunch of speakers there, somebody from moof
Speaker 4: on there, people for Bigfoot UFO stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, check it out. The'll stuff.
Speaker 4: The information is in the bottom of yo and it's
Speaker 4: five books to get into this one. That's fucking cheapest shit,
Speaker 4: So come check it out. Me and Tyero will be
Speaker 4: there and be doing interviews and everything too. So if
Speaker 4: you show up, we'll get you.
Speaker 1: On and you're gonna have my artwork there.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's right, Yes, his artwork t shirts and sticks. Yes.
Speaker 4: Oh, and Tyron will be there with his books. Would
Speaker 4: assume I told him to bring books. I mean it
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be doing signing. It makes sense right, right, right, perfect, perfect,
Speaker 1: So I'll go first. Mine's pretty simple. This is the
Speaker 1: Heracles not or, as it's more widely known, the square knot.
Speaker 1: But this was the symbol of marriage, fidelity, and trustworthiness
Speaker 1: in ancient Greece. Right, so apparently this noto was used
Speaker 1: in a lot of marriage ceremonies and a lot of motifs,
Speaker 1: a lot of artistic motifs involving this symbol and between
Speaker 1: the two chords as they wrap around each other. You
Speaker 1: get the idea that the hardy pull on them, the
Speaker 1: stronger the not gets, which you know implies the Herculean
Speaker 1: force and everything else. And so this heraclean knot was
Speaker 1: a prominent symbol of the Greek people when they were
Speaker 1: making marriage vows. So that's my symbol.
Speaker 3: Very nice. Uh, that's right, I gotta share. I always
Speaker 3: forget to do that. Here we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got like a demon bowl, but they you know,
Speaker 4: it's a little bit shorter, kind of like you as
Speaker 4: as much on it. But yeah, this is one of
Speaker 4: them right here. And this is a a demon binding
Speaker 4: bowl seal. It's late antique Mesopotamia is UH binding sigil
Speaker 4: drawn inside a small clay bowl. A demon is sketched
Speaker 4: in the center and encircled by a spiral spiral of
Speaker 4: sacred text, usually Jewish or Syriac or Aramaic. Many bowls
Speaker 4: add binding marks, chains, knots, or an enclosing circle across
Speaker 4: to seal the spirit. Museums uh in catalogs explicitly note
Speaker 4: bowls with bound demons spiral incantations. I find this one
Speaker 4: even a legal bill of divorce against demons. I do
Speaker 4: you think like some of its possibly done like actually
Speaker 4: like legal, like.
Speaker 3: Where's the first show up?
Speaker 4: Thousands are known from like fifth to seventh century CE,
Speaker 4: Mesopotamia somewhere.
Speaker 3: Around early is long period.
Speaker 4: Museum records date multiple examples from the fifth to sixth
Speaker 4: and later again and you can find it.
Speaker 3: They've been found in Iraq around the poor.
Speaker 4: The British Museum has a bunch of them, and then
Speaker 4: the met also has a bunch of them too. But
Speaker 4: and what it means. The spiral text is a trap
Speaker 4: and ward. As the writing coils outward, it surrounds and
Speaker 4: constrains the spirit named or pictured at the center. The
Speaker 4: wording often separates the client from demons using legal phrases
Speaker 4: and like I said before, Bill of dise divorced and
Speaker 4: basically turning Jewish legal speech into a magical weapon, just saying,
Speaker 4: I'm sure they love to do anyway with everything else
Speaker 4: names of angels, divine, epitash, and occasional uh uh, I
Speaker 4: can't even fucking pronounce that word, provided provide seals. Bulls
Speaker 4: might specify like targets too, like like fevers or nightmares
Speaker 4: from liliths or like certain threats and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: They can even some of them have even gotten that specific. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: so that's what they got. I got a couple of
Speaker 4: the pictures too.
Speaker 1: Is the is the bowl form of divination as well?
Speaker 1: So are you putting water in this bowl?
Speaker 4: Or is this say anything about that? Which I would
Speaker 4: for You're right, I did find it interesting that. I
Speaker 4: was like, it's a bowl, but nothing's like being placed
Speaker 4: in it?
Speaker 1: Like, no, yeah, it's an interesting way of making a
Speaker 1: what's that called?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 1: You know, you've got the pentacles, right, so you have
Speaker 1: to have the base, and so that's sort of what
Speaker 1: they're using is their base for their magical workings. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this reminds me a lot of the coillax too. The
Speaker 1: coylex is the Greek bowl cups that they would used
Speaker 1: for wine. They would put comics or pictures at the
Speaker 1: bottom of the colax, so as you're drinking your wine,
Speaker 1: you see more and more of the picture at the
Speaker 1: bottom of it. That's fun. And they would say sometimes
Speaker 1: coylexes were magical, So this seems like an outgrowth of that.
Speaker 1: This is also part of the what's that tradition where
Speaker 1: they're using the chariot of the spirit. I remember that
Speaker 1: the chariot is in Hebrew, but I forgot the word
Speaker 1: for it and Hebrew. Oh I should, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about that right? Apostle Paul was into
Speaker 1: that as well, Marcaba mysticism. So yeah, that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: I like the beam and bowls. Now did they use
Speaker 1: the word book or they didn't mention the book?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, controversial?
Speaker 3: H difficult? Whatever that was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the book one of those.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The guy related to Jeffrey Epstein says he had a
Speaker 1: personal book that would take over his body. Uh. Les Wexner.
Speaker 1: He said that in an interview. I wonder if he's
Speaker 1: doing these bold things, it would be interesting. But uh,
Speaker 1: let's get to winter. So Winter, where do you think
Speaker 1: that your your journey really started out? Definitely? And you
Speaker 1: knew that you were on a journey of self discovery.
Speaker 2: When I was about five or six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now did this start with the dreams?
Speaker 2: Yeah? They did.
Speaker 5: And also a lot of people say sleep paralysis is
Speaker 5: just your mind, but this seems a little bit more
Speaker 5: significant than just a dream.
Speaker 2: Like the experience that I had.
Speaker 5: The first one is I woke up and I know
Speaker 5: that I wasn't sleeping because I could see the flickering
Speaker 5: of the TV in the hallway and I could hear
Speaker 5: my grandparents talking, but I had like a green guy
Speaker 5: on my chest and I couldn't breathe. I thought I
Speaker 5: was going to die. He looked like he was made
Speaker 5: of plasma, but I didn't even know that word. He
Speaker 5: you know, those those electric balls that you touch and
Speaker 5: like the you could find them at Spencer's and like, yes,
Speaker 5: that's what it looked like he was made of. And
Speaker 5: he was stomping on my chest and I thought I
Speaker 5: was literally going to die, And then apparently I didn't,
Speaker 5: because I woke up the next day. Now, not knowing
Speaker 5: at the time what that might have meant, I'm thinking
Speaker 5: it was like the green man, because he looked like
Speaker 5: the guy off of the Frozen Peace, you know, the
Speaker 5: green giant frozen piece, which was my only association at
Speaker 5: that age.
Speaker 2: So that was the first one.
Speaker 5: The second one, this was a dream, and I can
Speaker 5: remember my dreams better than my actual childhood, so they
Speaker 5: were really like implanted in my head. And one was
Speaker 5: I left the house and I went to the backyard
Speaker 5: and I climbed over the wall and I found a
Speaker 5: stick and I was like, oh, this stick can write.
Speaker 5: It was like it had been burned and wetted, and
Speaker 5: then you could write on the walls like an ash.
Speaker 5: And now I realized, that's almost like the four Elements.
Speaker 5: I didn't again, I was five or six. So I
Speaker 5: go in the house and I start writing with it,
Speaker 5: and I don't know what happened to between, because dreams
Speaker 5: are weird. But then I stood back from it and
Speaker 5: I had written symbols up and down the wall, and
Speaker 5: my grandmother in the dream came in and said, you've
Speaker 5: just opened something you can't close. Now you have to
Speaker 5: burn the house down. And then I felt like I
Speaker 5: did something awful, like I was terrified, and I asked,
Speaker 5: you know, can we rebuild it? Because I was terrified.
Speaker 5: And then I saw my mom crying in front of
Speaker 5: a fireplace and she wasn't hearing me, and there was
Speaker 5: an owl next to it. There was a there was
Speaker 5: always an owl growing up. There was this, you know, decoration.
Speaker 5: And now I'm thinking, because I wanted, I was going
Speaker 5: through so much trauma, not having my parents, and I
Speaker 5: was calling out to anything that something did answer, if
Speaker 5: that makes sense, because that's the only thing that I
Speaker 5: can think of. And then the third one that I
Speaker 5: remember really clearly was. I wasn't dreaming for this. I
Speaker 5: went into my grandparents' bedroom because I was.
Speaker 2: Raised by them, and I would climb in between them.
Speaker 5: But what I didn't put in the email was sometimes
Speaker 5: it felt like there were shadow things in the room
Speaker 5: trying to grab at me, and it would actually touch
Speaker 5: my feet.
Speaker 2: In my hands.
Speaker 5: But one night I woke up and I was off
Speaker 5: the bed like two or three feet and I couldn't move,
Speaker 5: and I could breathe. I could only see here, and
Speaker 5: there was a feminine voice that said, don't be scared,
Speaker 5: We're not going to hurt you, and there was a
Speaker 5: masculine voice. That's all I remember. Then I was playing
Speaker 5: in my grandparents' living room and I looked up at
Speaker 5: the rotary phone and that triggered something and I remembered,
Speaker 5: and I remember the night that it happened, and they
Speaker 5: said they were angels. But if they were angels, why
Speaker 5: would I be scared? And that's what I remember. And
Speaker 5: that was five six years old, so I think that's
Speaker 5: when it started.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting the connection to the Green Man. And
Speaker 1: you know, we did that show on Jules's channel last
Speaker 1: Friday about the Green Man, and it's like all these
Speaker 1: little green characters throughout all these different mythologies sort of
Speaker 1: play a role in like awakening something within us. So
Speaker 1: did you find that these dreams caused an awakening of
Speaker 1: maybe perceptions or ways of seeing the world that you
Speaker 1: hadn't seen before.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And in fact, when I started looking for some answers,
Speaker 5: I found this place called the Krii Center for Consciousness
Speaker 5: Studies because I was going through a really bad time.
Speaker 5: I've didn't at that point, and they they were asking
Speaker 5: me questions to find out if I even belonged like
Speaker 5: in that group, and when I said, I had a
Speaker 5: little green guy and that's how I found out later
Speaker 5: that's how they knew that this was legit because it
Speaker 5: wasn't a well known thing at the time and people
Speaker 5: were thinking about aliens and paranormal that it was often
Speaker 5: a green guy involved. So I don't know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting to me is the panic, right, because oftentimes,
Speaker 1: like the panic associated with you know, running into these
Speaker 1: more rustic type deities that are associated with the you know,
Speaker 1: the green woods and stuff like that is really associated
Speaker 1: with the heavy sets of panic. Now, what I found
Speaker 1: with pans specifically is that if you can move through
Speaker 1: the panic and you know that it's coming, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have the same sort of effect. But people aren't really
Speaker 1: told about that sort of you know effect. So if
Speaker 1: they were told, hey, you are supposed to feel the
Speaker 1: panic moved through you, and then once it's gone, it
Speaker 1: doesn't come back right, you can control And it sounds
Speaker 1: like You've also got a lot of half in, half
Speaker 1: out experiences with out a body, so like this is
Speaker 1: part of you know, why it would seem so threatening
Speaker 1: is because you're you're basically immobilized because half of your
Speaker 1: body is in the body and half is out right.
Speaker 1: So it seems like a mix of different energies that
Speaker 1: are taking place here. So what did you learn at
Speaker 1: the Center for Consciousness Studies.
Speaker 5: I didn't learn a whole lot other than an experience,
Speaker 5: but I should probably start like where things started to
Speaker 5: kick in again in my life because I would have
Speaker 5: series of dreams and it would always be three and
Speaker 5: like I said, I can't remember what I ate for
Speaker 5: dinner last night, but I can remember these more vivid
Speaker 5: than reality. And they would often come with a vibration
Speaker 5: at the end, so I'd wake up and I'd still
Speaker 5: hear it in my head. So you know, when people
Speaker 5: are talking about like the singing bowls, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: I'm starting to kind of get what's happening. This is
Speaker 5: an internal change, though, and I didn't have any singing bowls,
Speaker 5: So so it picks up where I was going through.
Speaker 2: A rough patch.
Speaker 5: I couldn't I didn't have good relationships. I couldn't I
Speaker 5: couldn't manage anything, and my life wasn't going anywhere. And
Speaker 5: I guess what people would call a dark knight of
Speaker 5: the soul. I did this crazy thing because I couldn't
Speaker 5: stay in the house. I had to go. I had
Speaker 5: to drive. I just had to get out. And it
Speaker 5: was like this emotion erupting from within. And so I
Speaker 5: picked some Rando that I didn't even know that was
Speaker 5: on my list, and I figured, I know, this sounds terrible.
Speaker 5: I'm like, he looks like kind of a loser. He's
Speaker 5: probably up to, like, you know, six am. At least
Speaker 5: I have a spot on the map. I didn't even
Speaker 5: want to hang out with him. I just needed a
Speaker 5: spot on the map to go so I could just drive.
Speaker 5: So I drove from New Hampshire all the way to
Speaker 5: Connecticut in the middle of the night, and it just
Speaker 5: so happened that I was listening to V and V
Speaker 5: Nation at the time that album had just dropped, and
Speaker 5: I got while I'm driving, I got listening to the
Speaker 5: song Nova. Now, if anyone's heard it, it's a beautiful song. However,
Speaker 5: I listened to this song for hours. I felt that song.
Speaker 5: I don't know what it was about it, but I
Speaker 5: cried a whole lifetime of tears on the highway. And
Speaker 5: then you've got those lines now going, you know, when
Speaker 5: you're on a highway late at night, and now looking
Speaker 5: back at the lyrics, I'm going, wait a minute, like,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've ever looked up the lyrics
Speaker 5: for Nova, but it's.
Speaker 1: Been a long time, but I remember that album. It
Speaker 1: was amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And so it was basically, you know, to
Speaker 5: burn everything away, which I didn't. I went at the
Speaker 5: time associated associate that to my childhood. Open the skies
Speaker 5: and burn it all away, illuminate me, make me complete,
Speaker 5: you know. And then this, like when you listen to it,
Speaker 5: there's a certain frequency to that, and I'm thinking that
Speaker 5: was almost like a hyper sigil at this point, because
Speaker 5: I drove all the way to Connecticut. I get to
Speaker 5: the house and this is the weirdest thing. This guy
Speaker 5: lived in his mom's basement. So he's exactly what I
Speaker 5: thought he was. You know, he's too old for that.
Speaker 5: But it said like one more step to Hell or
Speaker 5: welcome to Hell on the stairs. Now I shouldn't have
Speaker 5: taken note of that, because you know, he was a
Speaker 5: goth kid, right, our goth guy at that point. He
Speaker 5: was way too old to be in the basement.
Speaker 2: But but for.
Speaker 5: Some reason I took note of that, and so I
Speaker 5: hung out for about an hour and then I drove
Speaker 5: all the way back and I went to bed. I
Speaker 5: felt better, I'd gotten all the crying out, and that
Speaker 5: that morning I went to bed, and so it must
Speaker 5: have been at like eleven am by the time I
Speaker 5: actually woke up. I got out of my bed. I
Speaker 5: looked back at the bed. There was me on the bed,
Speaker 5: and for some reason I didn't think this was strange.
Speaker 5: I walked outside the house and it was like a
Speaker 5: heavy heaviness, like the sun was shining, the birds were chirping,
Speaker 5: but everything felt heavy and I didn't know why. So
Speaker 5: I walked to the back of the house and like
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about this. I was looking east and instead
Speaker 5: of where there were houses, there was a big dark
Speaker 5: forest and I knew I had to get through it
Speaker 5: and it would be full of terrifying things. And next
Speaker 5: thing I know, I'm on a mountaintop and there's a
Speaker 5: man standing there holding a sword, but I could only
Speaker 5: see his frame, so I'm like, what is this right?
Speaker 5: And then this ball of light came down and this like,
Speaker 5: this was I've never felt the sense of love so big.
Speaker 5: It was like it was crazy, and it the it
Speaker 5: said You're going to go someplace else and be someone else.
Speaker 5: And I saw it as a vehicle and a star,
Speaker 5: but I didn't know what it was like. And then
Speaker 5: it was sort of like I was able to see
Speaker 5: that maybe I had lifetimes as other things in that,
Speaker 5: like everybody that I love is like even when I died,
Speaker 5: they're they're gonna just be in different bodies. It was
Speaker 5: just like this amazing thing, but it was also like
Speaker 5: it it was loved so much.
Speaker 2: It was heart it was painful.
Speaker 5: And then I was standing there making the decision do
Speaker 5: I go back or do I go into this thing?
Speaker 5: And then I woke up and it felt like my
Speaker 5: heart had been like ripped open and I was gasping
Speaker 5: for air and.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what. I didn't know what that was.
Speaker 2: I think I know now, Well, it sounds.
Speaker 1: A whole lot like that Mercaba idea, right.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, that's why.
Speaker 1: Vehicle and uh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: But I was.
Speaker 5: Supposed to get in this vehicle with this other person
Speaker 5: that I didn't know. That was the weird part. The
Speaker 5: guy that I couldn't see his face, but I could
Speaker 5: see his outline clearly, like I knew he was going
Speaker 5: to be important in this dream that wasn't a dream.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 5: A few years well, how should I say this, this
Speaker 5: person showed up in my reality and I recognized him
Speaker 5: because he's got a very unique frame and he has
Speaker 5: he's I have a child with him now. And let's
Speaker 5: just say his last name has to do with light.
Speaker 5: And I can't explain any of this other than something
Speaker 5: happened that night listening.
Speaker 2: To that.
Speaker 1: Hits you right on somebody's macaba. Maybe it was yours,
Speaker 1: maybe it was his, who knows, Maybe it was both
Speaker 1: of you guys together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: But when I heard Nick talking about the sense of
Speaker 5: love so great, like you can't explain it, like with
Speaker 5: the meditation, and it felt like I went I skipped
Speaker 5: everything and went right to that and then got sent
Speaker 5: back to get back back up there.
Speaker 2: Maybe so I have no idea I so be after
Speaker 2: that happened.
Speaker 5: I hadn't met him at the time, you know, my
Speaker 5: boyfriend at the time. Basically which part should I start with.
Speaker 5: I ended up at the gym doing yoga, realizing that
Speaker 5: a lot of my problems were based in food that
Speaker 5: I had no idea, and it was so strange. It
Speaker 5: was like I was tripping on breadcrumbs and finding like
Speaker 5: what was wrong. And then the more I did the
Speaker 5: yoga and took care of my body and cleaned myself up,
Speaker 5: then I started feeling like I was going crazy. And
Speaker 5: I'm starting to think I that was the the energy
Speaker 5: and the spine rising up, and it got to be
Speaker 5: the at the point that like I thought, I thought
Speaker 5: I was going to end up in a looney bin. However,
Speaker 5: I mean, I had no one that.
Speaker 2: Could explain what was happening.
Speaker 5: But this kicked off with a dream about a sexual
Speaker 5: snake woman who was trying to devour me, and within
Speaker 5: her mouth was this darkness that was like everything twisted
Speaker 5: like broken, disfigured, and I got out of her mouth
Speaker 5: and then the lights turned on and so that was symbolic,
Speaker 5: and that goes.
Speaker 1: Right, it's like right there with the same Yeah, but
Speaker 1: nobody's telling you to stuff. No, Like it's confusing as
Speaker 1: hell because you're not you don't have the frame of
Speaker 1: reference to know exactly what this kind of energy means. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I started to feel like I wasn't alone. There's
Speaker 5: I was hearing the electricity in the wall and it
Speaker 5: was just it was bizarre, and I was I was
Speaker 5: really scared because I'm like, am I going schizophrenic? Because
Speaker 5: my my ex husband's sister went schizophrenic and she was
Speaker 5: talking to light bulbs and microwaves, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: if I'm having a conversation.
Speaker 2: With a microwave or a light bulb, that's my That's
Speaker 2: where I draw the line.
Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna like literally put myself into a hospital.
Speaker 5: I had to put a line down because I didn't
Speaker 5: know where this was going, and it just got too
Speaker 5: much that I ended up. I was sitting there and
Speaker 5: I had cleaned my diet up.
Speaker 2: No soda, no.
Speaker 5: Nothing, no grains, everything organic, and I realized I can
Speaker 5: dumb it with food. And I'm sitting there and I'm
Speaker 5: like looking at the schweb's ginger rail and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm not dealing with this. So I'm like doubting soda
Speaker 5: and going to McDonald's. Just make it stop, please write.
Speaker 5: And then that's when that's when my boyfriend showed up
Speaker 5: in my life, and that got really crazy.
Speaker 2: We ended up with a roommate.
Speaker 5: That she literally had a self portrait on the wall
Speaker 5: of her naked riding on a horned beast with demons
Speaker 5: beneath her and spiders and her name was Diana, and
Speaker 5: so I'm like, now it makes sense. And what I
Speaker 5: learned was projection, which would align.
Speaker 2: With the moon.
Speaker 5: I can't explain how any of this happens, but it
Speaker 5: was awful. I mean it was I ended up leaving
Speaker 5: my boyfriend with our child and going back to New Hampshire.
Speaker 5: I thought he was the most evil person in the
Speaker 5: world because of this woman. I would have told you
Speaker 5: he was the devil incarnate on the planet. And I
Speaker 5: went back and I started having like I literally got
Speaker 5: a book title in my head and I didn't know
Speaker 5: the book existed, so I looked it up, I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: if it exists, and I didn't know it exists, I'm
Speaker 5: going to buy the book. And it had to do
Speaker 5: with healing relationships but taking personal accountability for it. And
Speaker 5: I also got an image of a black mountain with
Speaker 5: water beneath and a pillar of fire and a bat
Speaker 5: wing creature, and now I think that was an alchemical symbol.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's almost as if there it can't just be me right,
Speaker 5: Like it feels like I was being guided by something.
Speaker 1: So well, I've had symbols like that show up in
Speaker 1: my life where it's like it feels so familiar, like
Speaker 1: it pops into your head. It feels so familiar, and
Speaker 1: then you you know, you you make something out of it,
Speaker 1: and it's like, what is this thing?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I get that sensation that there's something else that
Speaker 1: you're connected to that maybe hasn't been discovered yet. And
Speaker 1: so a lot of what I see happening in the
Speaker 1: occult world right now is people are starting to discover
Speaker 1: these things that haven't been discovered before, and they don't
Speaker 1: really have a meeting, and so it's all sort of
Speaker 1: coming together in a different way than what we've seen before.
Speaker 1: But I think this goes along with the changing of
Speaker 1: the eons too. We're in that transitional phase right now,
Speaker 1: so you can really expect a lot, a lot of
Speaker 1: new symbols to come out and become prominent.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there's one more thing that I wanted to
Speaker 5: mention that when I was going to the kr I Center, they.
Speaker 2: They were doing.
Speaker 5: This meditation after the regular meeting, and I'd never done
Speaker 5: meditation before, and they called it like it was a
Speaker 5: sun meditation or I found out it was multiple stars
Speaker 5: and I kept going, but it was called contact circles
Speaker 5: because they were actually trying to make contact. But I
Speaker 5: forgot what we were doing because I was just hearing it.
Speaker 5: I was just like enjoying, Like I started to see colors, doorways, eyeballs,
Speaker 5: and then you were flying through space and at one
Speaker 5: point I was going down a tunnel and then I
Speaker 5: saw the eclipse. Now it was listening to you guys
Speaker 5: that I realized what I saw because I wasn't reading
Speaker 5: occult books, you know, like I didn't even know what
Speaker 5: I saw except when I got shot out into this
Speaker 5: empty space where everything went quiet and I saw an eclipse.
Speaker 5: It didn't open, I got a sensation of falling and
Speaker 5: I fell into a room full of TVs with nothing
Speaker 5: but violence. And next thing you know, I was in
Speaker 5: a desert and there was a tree and then there
Speaker 5: was an entity and a cloak and the message was
Speaker 5: this is where we're going to end up if we
Speaker 5: don't turn it around. And when the meditation ended.
Speaker 2: We wrote it down. You know what happened.
Speaker 5: Two other people in the group so had the same
Speaker 5: message with the same thing. I was super dizzy, like
Speaker 5: I couldn't even walk and I didn't even I was
Speaker 5: like I didn't even know what happened to me. And
Speaker 5: the woman was like, oh, that's normal, you know, like
Speaker 5: if you even make contact, that's normal, and like I
Speaker 5: made contact, like it was terrifying. I had to, like
Speaker 5: my whole reality had to completely change after that, and
Speaker 5: that took a long time. And it's just weird that
Speaker 5: I just would wander into these situations. It's almost like
Speaker 5: I was following some intuition or being guided to this.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I still don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, you live in a really weird area like New
Speaker 1: England has a bunch of strange things going on that
Speaker 1: most people just pass by. And they don't get involved
Speaker 1: with but some people do and then you get stories
Speaker 1: about it. So but yeah, it's a very old part
Speaker 1: of the country. I remember the guy from my family
Speaker 1: thinks I'm crazy. He was tracking these stone wall they
Speaker 1: were just out in the It doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: because nothing was built there, and they're like, no, they
Speaker 1: must have been part of a farm or something. And
Speaker 1: they'll go for miles. There's just no explanation for it,
Speaker 1: and nobody's looking into it. Nobody thinks about it, and
Speaker 1: it's like, what is this place? You know? What was
Speaker 1: going on here? And I think a lot of that,
Speaker 1: you know, really does reconnect us back to spirit because
Speaker 1: it's sort of yelling out, Hey, something else is happening here,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing I went from there.
Speaker 5: Now I'm living in Arizona, So I went from a
Speaker 5: really really weird part of the country to like another
Speaker 5: really weird part of the country.
Speaker 2: I live. I live kind of near where the star
Speaker 2: Does Ranch.
Speaker 1: Guy, Oh, you live on the line. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: straight line between Stardust Ranch and all the other haunted ranches.
Speaker 1: It's strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would.
Speaker 1: All be connected. But yeah, that's that's a weird part.
Speaker 1: I remember in two thousand and one I went out
Speaker 1: to hold a ribe. So this is the longest continuously
Speaker 1: lived in Howe or city in America. It was, it's
Speaker 1: over eight hundred years old. It's like, what do they
Speaker 1: call it? Second Mesa for the Hopie people, and so
Speaker 1: they've been out there forever. They're never leaving. And we
Speaker 1: went out there, me and my mom went out there
Speaker 1: in January and we actually got to sit in on
Speaker 1: this naming ceremony festival that they were having for this
Speaker 1: brand new baby. And we were just there looking for
Speaker 1: Kachina dolls and they're like, come on in. So it
Speaker 1: was really interesting and it's like how do we get here?
Speaker 1: What is going on? You know, It's one minute we're
Speaker 1: just driving on the highway and then the next minute
Speaker 1: we're part of this Native American naming ceremony for a baby,
Speaker 1: and we're like how do we you know? What's going on? Wow?
Speaker 1: It's moments like that that really kind of stick with you.
Speaker 1: I mean that the whole idea is, you know, having
Speaker 1: a special life is almost better than you know, anybody
Speaker 1: even knowing about it.
Speaker 3: You don't know what Clarisia just said it in the chats,
Speaker 3: a really good point. I can't believe I didn't even
Speaker 3: think of that. You had a green man jumping on
Speaker 3: your heart the chakra that would be green too, that's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, green flame, right, Okay, that's interesting in terms of alchemy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we were talking about that too on
Speaker 1: the Green Man episode the Lion, the green Lion eating
Speaker 1: the sun, and you've got the sun and tip Areth
Speaker 1: right there at the heart chakra as well. So it's
Speaker 1: it's a really powerful symbol.
Speaker 2: Right, And I'm with everything that was going on.
Speaker 5: I ended up listening to aon bite at one point
Speaker 5: and reaching out to David Block, and he's actually helped
Speaker 5: me a lot with getting through a lot of this
Speaker 5: because I didn't know what was happening, and he wasn't
Speaker 5: even doing classes at that point. He was just, you know,
Speaker 5: let's have a conversation. You want to make sure I
Speaker 5: wasn't insane, you know, But he spent like a lot
Speaker 5: of time like helping me understand this whatever this process was.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was a huge help to have somebody
Speaker 5: that understood this.
Speaker 1: So have you noticed a you know, definitive change in
Speaker 1: like self perception and everything else? After getting this codeex
Speaker 1: of new language that you didn't have before from David Block.
Speaker 5: From all the experiences I've learned about projections. So like
Speaker 5: old me would see, it was like a very overweight
Speaker 5: person wearing almost nothing at the pool. And old me
Speaker 5: would have been like, oh, how could she do that?
Speaker 5: Now I'm like, why is this bothering me?
Speaker 2: Oh? It's me.
Speaker 5: I'm uncomfortable with myself, So how dare so I look
Speaker 5: at everything from my own perception. I've become a nicer person,
Speaker 5: I think because I think I didn't go into this
Speaker 5: trying to get, you know, some sort of power. I
Speaker 5: didn't even know what I was walking into.
Speaker 2: And my family.
Speaker 5: I realized what my family really is that I couldn't see.
Speaker 5: But the whole thing with dealing with the family trauma,
Speaker 5: like I had the red Man with the crab spider
Speaker 5: legs in my basement. You read that one, and that
Speaker 5: would have if you're looking at the clip off, that
Speaker 5: would have to do with the ball, and that was
Speaker 5: the child. And I ended up dealing with my dad
Speaker 5: and my mom and what they really were and having
Speaker 5: to accept it. And I was taking it out on
Speaker 5: myself my whole life, and it was something wrong with me,
Speaker 5: But then I realized it actually wasn't me, and then
Speaker 5: I could let that go. So yeah, I don't know
Speaker 5: why anybody would deal with klipothic work, like if they're sane,
Speaker 5: but it appears that that's what's coming up.
Speaker 2: And it's been a nightmare.
Speaker 5: But also it's been beautiful because my whole perception on
Speaker 5: things have changed. But I wouldn't recommend that to somebody
Speaker 5: who just thinks that might be fun.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems in your case, you're kind of discovering
Speaker 1: that perception is power. Right, So we kind of move
Speaker 1: through life thinking that everything the way we see it
Speaker 1: is just the way it is, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we've all wondered if blue really is blue
Speaker 1: for other people? Right, well, is that the same color
Speaker 1: for them? But in a sense, you know, when we
Speaker 1: can have perspective on ourselves and our own you know,
Speaker 1: understanding our own emotional traumas and triggers, and I actually
Speaker 1: get to know how the unconscious self reacts, that perception
Speaker 1: becomes power. I mean, that's true mastery over the self.
Speaker 5: I realized hiking with a friend, I'm noticing all the
Speaker 5: things like right under my feet and my friend was
Speaker 5: noticing all the things in the distance, and we were
Speaker 5: walking together on the same trail, but we were having
Speaker 5: completely different experiences. So yeah, it's a lot to think
Speaker 5: about there, you.
Speaker 1: Know, looking up versus looking down, you know. And well,
Speaker 1: you know the meme by the guys looking out the
Speaker 1: two windows on the bus and one guy's looking over
Speaker 1: at the cliff and he's upset and the other guy's
Speaker 1: looking over into the wilderness and he's happy. Same train,
Speaker 1: different perspectives.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Also at the where I'm at now, I ended up
Speaker 5: working things out with my boyfriend. Were at the family's
Speaker 5: intact and the person I thought was like the devil
Speaker 5: incarnate when I let go of my perceptions of what
Speaker 5: I thought.
Speaker 2: A relationship was, which was hard. It's not up to
Speaker 2: him to make me happy.
Speaker 5: Also, he's his own person and he was actually trying
Speaker 5: to do good, but he wasn't hearing me because he's
Speaker 5: his own person. Now when I go through things, he
Speaker 5: takes over and helps me out, and I'm like this,
Speaker 5: how how did I view this person as being evil?
Speaker 2: Right? So through all this.
Speaker 5: And that that's why it was the Mercaba, That's why
Speaker 5: it was the balancing of energies and he was holding.
Speaker 2: A sword, so that was was going to cut.
Speaker 5: I think it was a you know, maybe there's more
Speaker 5: to the sword symbology, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's you know, he's helping you cut the uh,
Speaker 1: the old the negative energy that comes through, right, so
Speaker 1: you kind of need that or because if you're not
Speaker 1: letting you go, you know, you're just weighing yourself down.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Also, I think that was the Lover's card in Tarot
Speaker 5: is what I saw, but I wasn't studying Tarot, so
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have. I saw it afterwards, I'm like, wait
Speaker 5: a minute, this looks familiar. So when you say it
Speaker 5: might be parts of your brain or your eyes, that
Speaker 5: would make sense because I did not study Tarot. I
Speaker 5: hadn't even seen most of the cards at that point.
Speaker 1: So right in here Nick always breaks it down to
Speaker 1: the archetypal Nature's about these different parts of the eye
Speaker 1: and how they're related to you know, occult symbols for everything.
Speaker 1: And I think that it really does come down to
Speaker 1: that perception. If you add up all these pieces, all
Speaker 1: of these different you know, individual ideas, and then put
Speaker 1: them all together, you kind of get that same idea
Speaker 1: of perceptionist power.
Speaker 3: I agree with that controlling people's perception is power.
Speaker 1: Man big time. They can't stop. Even though it's not
Speaker 1: working anymore, they still have to do it. But this
Speaker 1: is a great episode for joining us.
Speaker 3: That was great.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, anytime you want to come back winter, if you
Speaker 1: have any experiences, let me know and we'll get on there.
Speaker 1: Do me a big favor, though. Have you read The
Speaker 1: Secret Teachings Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P.
Speaker 3: Hall.
Speaker 5: You know, someone gave me the book and it's sitting
Speaker 5: on my bookshelf. I have not read it.
Speaker 1: Crack it out, but you're gonna find so many symbols
Speaker 1: that are directly related to exactly what you're experiencing. That is,
Speaker 1: that's the book to look into. I'm telling you, a
Speaker 1: great book.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say too.
Speaker 5: With everything going on and I didn't have time to
Speaker 5: go digging through books to find out what was going on.
Speaker 5: It was your show that was sort of helping me
Speaker 5: figure out like where to look for Like I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, it might be that right until I've
Speaker 5: kind of found what was actually happening.
Speaker 2: So you really helped me. So I'm really grateful for that.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: Nice, that's support of magic. It makes infinite associations. You know,
Speaker 1: it's really sticky.
Speaker 3: Some of you wish you didn't make right.
Speaker 1: Right, but this is a great episode. Thanks for joining us,
Speaker 1: and you know, the door is always open if you
Speaker 1: want to come back, let me know. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: for stopping by, and I hope you enjoyed the show.
Speaker 1: We'll see again next Thursday and check out this Sunday
Speaker 1: for the trialogues and hopefully we'll have everybody there. So
Speaker 1: thank you very much and we'll see you again next time.