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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll welcome everybody to another Headless's magical mail Bag. I

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<v Speaker 1>got my co host Nick with me, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>the world exclusive, first time ever appearance of our special guests,

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<v Speaker 1>Winter York. Thank you for joining.

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<v Speaker 2>Us, Winter, Thanks for having me awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to have you here. After all of the

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<v Speaker 1>stories we've got, I thought you had to join us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we always do that on the show. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go over our symbols real quick and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll get into your stories. If that's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Go free to comment on anything if you want to.

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<v Speaker 1>And oh, Nick, tell them where they can find you tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's right. Well yeah tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, people are around in Franklin, North Carolina tomorrow at

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<v Speaker 4>the Chamber of Commerce.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's like something going on.

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<v Speaker 4>At four o'clock and like the people from that Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 4>event that will be there Saturday will be there and

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<v Speaker 4>they'll be like some bar croll a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>people doing that supposedly, But Saturday at Franklin, North Carolina

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<v Speaker 4>at the fun Factory. I think it's cool the factory

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<v Speaker 4>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>We will be there. We got a booth.

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<v Speaker 4>There'll be a bunch of speakers there, somebody from moof

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<v Speaker 4>on there, people for Bigfoot UFO stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, check it out. The'll stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>The information is in the bottom of yo and it's

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<v Speaker 4>five books to get into this one. That's fucking cheapest shit,

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<v Speaker 4>So come check it out. Me and Tyero will be

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<v Speaker 4>there and be doing interviews and everything too. So if

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<v Speaker 4>you show up, we'll get you.

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<v Speaker 1>On and you're gonna have my artwork there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, that's right, Yes, his artwork t shirts and sticks. Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, and Tyron will be there with his books. Would

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<v Speaker 4>assume I told him to bring books. I mean it

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<v Speaker 4>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna be doing signing. It makes sense right, right, right, perfect, perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll go first. Mine's pretty simple. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Heracles not or, as it's more widely known, the square knot.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was the symbol of marriage, fidelity, and trustworthiness

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient Greece. Right, so apparently this noto was used

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of marriage ceremonies and a lot of motifs,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of artistic motifs involving this symbol and between

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<v Speaker 1>the two chords as they wrap around each other. You

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<v Speaker 1>get the idea that the hardy pull on them, the

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<v Speaker 1>stronger the not gets, which you know implies the Herculean

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<v Speaker 1>force and everything else. And so this heraclean knot was

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<v Speaker 1>a prominent symbol of the Greek people when they were

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<v Speaker 1>making marriage vows. So that's my symbol.

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<v Speaker 3>Very nice. Uh, that's right, I gotta share. I always

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<v Speaker 3>forget to do that. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I got like a demon bowl, but they you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a little bit shorter, kind of like you as

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<v Speaker 4>as much on it. But yeah, this is one of

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<v Speaker 4>them right here. And this is a a demon binding

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<v Speaker 4>bowl seal. It's late antique Mesopotamia is UH binding sigil

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<v Speaker 4>drawn inside a small clay bowl. A demon is sketched

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<v Speaker 4>in the center and encircled by a spiral spiral of

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<v Speaker 4>sacred text, usually Jewish or Syriac or Aramaic. Many bowls

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<v Speaker 4>add binding marks, chains, knots, or an enclosing circle across

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<v Speaker 4>to seal the spirit. Museums uh in catalogs explicitly note

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<v Speaker 4>bowls with bound demons spiral incantations. I find this one

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<v Speaker 4>even a legal bill of divorce against demons. I do

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<v Speaker 4>you think like some of its possibly done like actually

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<v Speaker 4>like legal, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's the first show up?

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<v Speaker 4>Thousands are known from like fifth to seventh century CE,

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<v Speaker 4>Mesopotamia somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Around early is long period.

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<v Speaker 4>Museum records date multiple examples from the fifth to sixth

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<v Speaker 4>and later again and you can find it.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been found in Iraq around the poor.

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<v Speaker 4>The British Museum has a bunch of them, and then

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<v Speaker 4>the met also has a bunch of them too. But

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<v Speaker 4>and what it means. The spiral text is a trap

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<v Speaker 4>and ward. As the writing coils outward, it surrounds and

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<v Speaker 4>constrains the spirit named or pictured at the center. The

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<v Speaker 4>wording often separates the client from demons using legal phrases

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<v Speaker 4>and like I said before, Bill of dise divorced and

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<v Speaker 4>basically turning Jewish legal speech into a magical weapon, just saying,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure they love to do anyway with everything else

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<v Speaker 4>names of angels, divine, epitash, and occasional uh uh, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't even fucking pronounce that word, provided provide seals. Bulls

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<v Speaker 4>might specify like targets too, like like fevers or nightmares

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<v Speaker 4>from liliths or like certain threats and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>They can even some of them have even gotten that specific. Uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so that's what they got. I got a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>the pictures too.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the is the bowl form of divination as well?

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<v Speaker 1>So are you putting water in this bowl?

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<v Speaker 4>Or is this say anything about that? Which I would

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<v Speaker 4>for You're right, I did find it interesting that. I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, it's a bowl, but nothing's like being placed

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<v Speaker 4>in it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, no, yeah, it's an interesting way of making a

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<v Speaker 1>what's that called?

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<v Speaker 2>Not?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you've got the pentacles, right, so you have

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<v Speaker 1>to have the base, and so that's sort of what

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<v Speaker 1>they're using is their base for their magical workings. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this reminds me a lot of the coillax too. The

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<v Speaker 1>coylex is the Greek bowl cups that they would used

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<v Speaker 1>for wine. They would put comics or pictures at the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the colax, so as you're drinking your wine,

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<v Speaker 1>you see more and more of the picture at the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of it. That's fun. And they would say sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>coylexes were magical, So this seems like an outgrowth of that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also part of the what's that tradition where

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<v Speaker 1>they're using the chariot of the spirit. I remember that

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<v Speaker 1>the chariot is in Hebrew, but I forgot the word

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<v Speaker 1>for it and Hebrew. Oh I should, right, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about that right? Apostle Paul was into

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<v Speaker 1>that as well, Marcaba mysticism. So yeah, that's pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the beam and bowls. Now did they use

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<v Speaker 1>the word book or they didn't mention the book?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>No, controversial?

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<v Speaker 3>H difficult? Whatever that was?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the book one of those.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy related to Jeffrey Epstein says he had a

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<v Speaker 1>personal book that would take over his body. Uh. Les Wexner.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that in an interview. I wonder if he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing these bold things, it would be interesting. But uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to winter. So Winter, where do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that your your journey really started out? Definitely? And you

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<v Speaker 1>knew that you were on a journey of self discovery.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was about five or six.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now did this start with the dreams?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? They did.

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<v Speaker 5>And also a lot of people say sleep paralysis is

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<v Speaker 5>just your mind, but this seems a little bit more

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<v Speaker 5>significant than just a dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the experience that I had.

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<v Speaker 5>The first one is I woke up and I know

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<v Speaker 5>that I wasn't sleeping because I could see the flickering

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<v Speaker 5>of the TV in the hallway and I could hear

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<v Speaker 5>my grandparents talking, but I had like a green guy

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<v Speaker 5>on my chest and I couldn't breathe. I thought I

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<v Speaker 5>was going to die. He looked like he was made

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<v Speaker 5>of plasma, but I didn't even know that word. He

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<v Speaker 5>you know, those those electric balls that you touch and

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<v Speaker 5>like the you could find them at Spencer's and like, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what it looked like he was made of. And

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<v Speaker 5>he was stomping on my chest and I thought I

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<v Speaker 5>was literally going to die, And then apparently I didn't,

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<v Speaker 5>because I woke up the next day. Now, not knowing

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<v Speaker 5>at the time what that might have meant, I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 5>it was like the green man, because he looked like

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<v Speaker 5>the guy off of the Frozen Peace, you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>green giant frozen piece, which was my only association at

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<v Speaker 5>that age.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the first one.

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<v Speaker 5>The second one, this was a dream, and I can

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<v Speaker 5>remember my dreams better than my actual childhood, so they

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<v Speaker 5>were really like implanted in my head. And one was

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<v Speaker 5>I left the house and I went to the backyard

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<v Speaker 5>and I climbed over the wall and I found a

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<v Speaker 5>stick and I was like, oh, this stick can write.

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<v Speaker 5>It was like it had been burned and wetted, and

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<v Speaker 5>then you could write on the walls like an ash.

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<v Speaker 5>And now I realized, that's almost like the four Elements.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't again, I was five or six. So I

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<v Speaker 5>go in the house and I start writing with it,

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<v Speaker 5>and I don't know what happened to between, because dreams

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<v Speaker 5>are weird. But then I stood back from it and

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<v Speaker 5>I had written symbols up and down the wall, and

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<v Speaker 5>my grandmother in the dream came in and said, you've

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<v Speaker 5>just opened something you can't close. Now you have to

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<v Speaker 5>burn the house down. And then I felt like I

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<v Speaker 5>did something awful, like I was terrified, and I asked,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, can we rebuild it? Because I was terrified.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I saw my mom crying in front of

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<v Speaker 5>a fireplace and she wasn't hearing me, and there was

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<v Speaker 5>an owl next to it. There was a there was

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<v Speaker 5>always an owl growing up. There was this, you know, decoration.

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<v Speaker 5>And now I'm thinking, because I wanted, I was going

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<v Speaker 5>through so much trauma, not having my parents, and I

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<v Speaker 5>was calling out to anything that something did answer, if

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<v Speaker 5>that makes sense, because that's the only thing that I

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<v Speaker 5>can think of. And then the third one that I

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<v Speaker 5>remember really clearly was. I wasn't dreaming for this. I

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<v Speaker 5>went into my grandparents' bedroom because I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Raised by them, and I would climb in between them.

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<v Speaker 5>But what I didn't put in the email was sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>it felt like there were shadow things in the room

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<v Speaker 5>trying to grab at me, and it would actually touch

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<v Speaker 5>my feet.

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<v Speaker 2>In my hands.

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<v Speaker 5>But one night I woke up and I was off

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<v Speaker 5>the bed like two or three feet and I couldn't move,

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<v Speaker 5>and I could breathe. I could only see here, and

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<v Speaker 5>there was a feminine voice that said, don't be scared,

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<v Speaker 5>We're not going to hurt you, and there was a

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<v Speaker 5>masculine voice. That's all I remember. Then I was playing

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<v Speaker 5>in my grandparents' living room and I looked up at

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<v Speaker 5>the rotary phone and that triggered something and I remembered,

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<v Speaker 5>and I remember the night that it happened, and they

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<v Speaker 5>said they were angels. But if they were angels, why

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<v Speaker 5>would I be scared? And that's what I remember. And

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<v Speaker 5>that was five six years old, so I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>when it started.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's interesting the connection to the Green Man. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we did that show on Jules's channel last

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<v Speaker 1>Friday about the Green Man, and it's like all these

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<v Speaker 1>little green characters throughout all these different mythologies sort of

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<v Speaker 1>play a role in like awakening something within us. So

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<v Speaker 1>did you find that these dreams caused an awakening of

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<v Speaker 1>maybe perceptions or ways of seeing the world that you

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't seen before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And in fact, when I started looking for some answers,

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<v Speaker 5>I found this place called the Krii Center for Consciousness

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<v Speaker 5>Studies because I was going through a really bad time.

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<v Speaker 5>I've didn't at that point, and they they were asking

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<v Speaker 5>me questions to find out if I even belonged like

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<v Speaker 5>little green guy and that's how I found out later

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<v Speaker 5>that's how they knew that this was legit because it

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<v Speaker 5>were thinking about aliens and paranormal that it was often

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<v Speaker 5>a green guy involved. So I don't know, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's interesting to me is the panic, right, because oftentimes,

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<v Speaker 1>like the panic associated with you know, running into these

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<v Speaker 1>more rustic type deities that are associated with the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the green woods and stuff like that is really associated

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<v Speaker 1>with the heavy sets of panic. Now, what I found

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<v Speaker 1>the panic and you know that it's coming, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the same sort of effect. But people aren't really

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<v Speaker 1>told about that sort of you know effect. So if

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<v Speaker 1>panic moved through you, and then once it's gone, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't come back right, you can control And it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like You've also got a lot of half in, half

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<v Speaker 1>out experiences with out a body, so like this is

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<v Speaker 1>part of you know, why it would seem so threatening

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<v Speaker 1>is because you're you're basically immobilized because half of your

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<v Speaker 1>So it seems like a mix of different energies that

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<v Speaker 1>are taking place here. So what did you learn at

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<v Speaker 1>the Center for Consciousness Studies.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't learn a whole lot other than an experience,

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<v Speaker 5>but I should probably start like where things started to

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<v Speaker 5>kick in again in my life because I would have

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<v Speaker 5>series of dreams and it would always be three and

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<v Speaker 5>like I said, I can't remember what I ate for

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<v Speaker 5>dinner last night, but I can remember these more vivid

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<v Speaker 5>than reality. And they would often come with a vibration

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<v Speaker 5>at the end, so I'd wake up and I'd still

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<v Speaker 5>hear it in my head. So you know, when people

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<v Speaker 5>are talking about like the singing bowls, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm starting to kind of get what's happening. This is

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<v Speaker 5>an internal change, though, and I didn't have any singing bowls,

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<v Speaker 5>So so it picks up where I was going through.

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<v Speaker 2>A rough patch.

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't I didn't have good relationships. I couldn't I

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<v Speaker 5>couldn't manage anything, and my life wasn't going anywhere. And

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<v Speaker 5>I guess what people would call a dark knight of

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<v Speaker 5>the soul. I did this crazy thing because I couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>stay in the house. I had to go. I had

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<v Speaker 5>to drive. I just had to get out. And it

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<v Speaker 5>was like this emotion erupting from within. And so I

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<v Speaker 5>picked some Rando that I didn't even know that was

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<v Speaker 5>on my list, and I figured, I know, this sounds terrible.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, he looks like kind of a loser. He's

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<v Speaker 5>probably up to, like, you know, six am. At least

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<v Speaker 5>I have a spot on the map. I didn't even

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<v Speaker 5>want to hang out with him. I just needed a

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<v Speaker 5>spot on the map to go so I could just drive.

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<v Speaker 5>So I drove from New Hampshire all the way to

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<v Speaker 5>Connecticut in the middle of the night, and it just

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<v Speaker 5>so happened that I was listening to V and V

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<v Speaker 5>Nation at the time that album had just dropped, and

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<v Speaker 5>I got while I'm driving, I got listening to the

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<v Speaker 5>song Nova. Now, if anyone's heard it, it's a beautiful song. However,

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<v Speaker 5>I listened to this song for hours. I felt that song.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what it was about it, but I

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<v Speaker 5>cried a whole lifetime of tears on the highway. And

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<v Speaker 5>then you've got those lines now going, you know, when

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<v Speaker 5>you're on a highway late at night, and now looking

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<v Speaker 5>back at the lyrics, I'm going, wait a minute, like,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you've ever looked up the lyrics

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<v Speaker 5>for Nova, but it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Been a long time, but I remember that album. It

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, And so it was basically, you know, to

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<v Speaker 5>burn everything away, which I didn't. I went at the

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<v Speaker 5>time associated associate that to my childhood. Open the skies

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<v Speaker 5>and burn it all away, illuminate me, make me complete,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. And then this, like when you listen to it,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a certain frequency to that, and I'm thinking that

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<v Speaker 5>was almost like a hyper sigil at this point, because

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<v Speaker 5>I drove all the way to Connecticut. I get to

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<v Speaker 5>the house and this is the weirdest thing. This guy

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<v Speaker 5>lived in his mom's basement. So he's exactly what I

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<v Speaker 5>thought he was. You know, he's too old for that.

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<v Speaker 5>But it said like one more step to Hell or

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<v Speaker 5>welcome to Hell on the stairs. Now I shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 5>taken note of that, because you know, he was a

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<v Speaker 5>goth kid, right, our goth guy at that point. He

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<v Speaker 5>was way too old to be in the basement.

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<v Speaker 2>But but for.

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<v Speaker 5>Some reason I took note of that, and so I

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<v Speaker 5>hung out for about an hour and then I drove

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<v Speaker 5>all the way back and I went to bed. I

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<v Speaker 5>felt better, I'd gotten all the crying out, and that

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<v Speaker 5>that morning I went to bed, and so it must

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<v Speaker 5>have been at like eleven am by the time I

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<v Speaker 5>actually woke up. I got out of my bed. I

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<v Speaker 5>looked back at the bed. There was me on the bed,

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<v Speaker 5>and for some reason I didn't think this was strange.

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<v Speaker 5>I walked outside the house and it was like a

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<v Speaker 5>heavy heaviness, like the sun was shining, the birds were chirping,

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<v Speaker 5>but everything felt heavy and I didn't know why. So

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<v Speaker 5>I walked to the back of the house and like

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thinking about this. I was looking east and instead

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<v Speaker 5>of where there were houses, there was a big dark

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<v Speaker 5>forest and I knew I had to get through it

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<v Speaker 5>and it would be full of terrifying things. And next

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<v Speaker 5>thing I know, I'm on a mountaintop and there's a

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<v Speaker 5>man standing there holding a sword, but I could only

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<v Speaker 5>see his frame, so I'm like, what is this right?

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<v Speaker 5>And then this ball of light came down and this like,

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<v Speaker 5>this was I've never felt the sense of love so big.

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<v Speaker 5>It was like it was crazy, and it the it

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<v Speaker 5>said You're going to go someplace else and be someone else.

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<v Speaker 5>And I saw it as a vehicle and a star,

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<v Speaker 5>but I didn't know what it was like. And then

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<v Speaker 5>it was sort of like I was able to see

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<v Speaker 5>that maybe I had lifetimes as other things in that,

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<v Speaker 5>like everybody that I love is like even when I died,

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<v Speaker 5>they're they're gonna just be in different bodies. It was

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<v Speaker 5>just like this amazing thing, but it was also like

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<v Speaker 5>it it was loved so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It was heart it was painful.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I was standing there making the decision do

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<v Speaker 5>I go back or do I go into this thing?

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<v Speaker 5>And then I woke up and it felt like my

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<v Speaker 5>heart had been like ripped open and I was gasping

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<v Speaker 5>for air and.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what. I didn't know what that was.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I know now, Well, it sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>A whole lot like that Mercaba idea, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, that's why.

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<v Speaker 1>Vehicle and uh yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Supposed to get in this vehicle with this other person

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<v Speaker 5>that I didn't know. That was the weird part. The

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<v Speaker 5>guy that I couldn't see his face, but I could

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<v Speaker 5>see his outline clearly, like I knew he was going

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<v Speaker 5>to be important in this dream that wasn't a dream.

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<v Speaker 2>And so.

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<v Speaker 5>A few years well, how should I say this, this

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<v Speaker 5>person showed up in my reality and I recognized him

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<v Speaker 5>because he's got a very unique frame and he has

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<v Speaker 5>he's I have a child with him now. And let's

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<v Speaker 5>just say his last name has to do with light.

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<v Speaker 5>And I can't explain any of this other than something

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<v Speaker 5>happened that night listening.

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<v Speaker 2>To that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hits you right on somebody's macaba. Maybe it was yours,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was his, who knows, Maybe it was both

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<v Speaker 1>of you guys together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>But when I heard Nick talking about the sense of

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<v Speaker 5>love so great, like you can't explain it, like with

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<v Speaker 5>the meditation, and it felt like I went I skipped

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<v Speaker 5>everything and went right to that and then got sent

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<v Speaker 5>back to get back back up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe so I have no idea I so be after

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<v Speaker 2>that happened.

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<v Speaker 5>I hadn't met him at the time, you know, my

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<v Speaker 5>boyfriend at the time. Basically which part should I start with.

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<v Speaker 5>I ended up at the gym doing yoga, realizing that

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of my problems were based in food that

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<v Speaker 5>I had no idea, and it was so strange. It

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<v Speaker 5>was like I was tripping on breadcrumbs and finding like

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<v Speaker 5>what was wrong. And then the more I did the

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<v Speaker 5>yoga and took care of my body and cleaned myself up,

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<v Speaker 5>then I started feeling like I was going crazy. And

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<v Speaker 5>I'm starting to think I that was the the energy

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<v Speaker 5>and the spine rising up, and it got to be

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<v Speaker 5>the at the point that like I thought, I thought

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<v Speaker 5>I was going to end up in a looney bin. However,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I had no one that.

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<v Speaker 2>Could explain what was happening.

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<v Speaker 5>But this kicked off with a dream about a sexual

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<v Speaker 5>snake woman who was trying to devour me, and within

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<v Speaker 5>her mouth was this darkness that was like everything twisted

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<v Speaker 5>like broken, disfigured, and I got out of her mouth

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<v Speaker 5>and then the lights turned on and so that was symbolic,

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<v Speaker 5>and that goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's like right there with the same Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's telling you to stuff. No, Like it's confusing as

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<v Speaker 1>hell because you're not you don't have the frame of

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<v Speaker 1>reference to know exactly what this kind of energy means. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I started to feel like I wasn't alone. There's

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<v Speaker 5>I was hearing the electricity in the wall and it

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<v Speaker 5>was just it was bizarre, and I was I was

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<v Speaker 5>really scared because I'm like, am I going schizophrenic? Because

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<v Speaker 5>talking to light bulbs and microwaves, and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>With a microwave or a light bulb, that's my That's

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<v Speaker 2>where I draw the line.

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<v Speaker 5>Now I'm gonna like literally put myself into a hospital.

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<v Speaker 5>I had to put a line down because I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>know where this was going, and it just got too

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<v Speaker 5>much that I ended up. I was sitting there and

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<v Speaker 5>I had cleaned my diet up.

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<v Speaker 2>No soda, no.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing, no grains, everything organic, and I realized I can

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<v Speaker 5>dumb it with food. And I'm sitting there and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>like looking at the schweb's ginger rail and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not dealing with this. So I'm like doubting soda

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<v Speaker 5>and going to McDonald's. Just make it stop, please write.

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<v Speaker 5>And then that's when that's when my boyfriend showed up

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<v Speaker 5>in my life, and that got really crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>We ended up with a roommate.

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<v Speaker 5>That she literally had a self portrait on the wall

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<v Speaker 5>of her naked riding on a horned beast with demons

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<v Speaker 5>beneath her and spiders and her name was Diana, and

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<v Speaker 5>so I'm like, now it makes sense. And what I

427
00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:31.799
<v Speaker 5>learned was projection, which would align.

428
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<v Speaker 2>With the moon.

429
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<v Speaker 5>I can't explain how any of this happens, but it

430
00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:42.720
<v Speaker 5>was awful. I mean it was I ended up leaving

431
00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.759
<v Speaker 5>my boyfriend with our child and going back to New Hampshire.

432
00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:47.480
<v Speaker 5>I thought he was the most evil person in the

433
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:51.279
<v Speaker 5>world because of this woman. I would have told you

434
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:53.599
<v Speaker 5>he was the devil incarnate on the planet. And I

435
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:57.960
<v Speaker 5>went back and I started having like I literally got

436
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:01.200
<v Speaker 5>a book title in my head and I didn't know

437
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 5>the book existed, so I looked it up, I'm like, well,

438
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:04.880
<v Speaker 5>if it exists, and I didn't know it exists, I'm

439
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:06.359
<v Speaker 5>going to buy the book. And it had to do

440
00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:15.240
<v Speaker 5>with healing relationships but taking personal accountability for it. And

441
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.880
<v Speaker 5>I also got an image of a black mountain with

442
00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.799
<v Speaker 5>water beneath and a pillar of fire and a bat

443
00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:27.000
<v Speaker 5>wing creature, and now I think that was an alchemical symbol.

444
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know.

445
00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.319
<v Speaker 5>It's almost as if there it can't just be me right,

446
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 5>Like it feels like I was being guided by something.

447
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>So well, I've had symbols like that show up in

448
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.640
<v Speaker 1>my life where it's like it feels so familiar, like

449
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:47.880
<v Speaker 1>it pops into your head. It feels so familiar, and

450
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:50.759
<v Speaker 1>then you you know, you you make something out of it,

451
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, what is this thing?

452
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:53.119
<v Speaker 2>You know?

453
00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 1>And I get that sensation that there's something else that

454
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 1>you're connected to that maybe hasn't been discovered yet. And

455
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.519
<v Speaker 1>so a lot of what I see happening in the

456
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 1>occult world right now is people are starting to discover

457
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:12.200
<v Speaker 1>these things that haven't been discovered before, and they don't

458
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.799
<v Speaker 1>really have a meeting, and so it's all sort of

459
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:20.039
<v Speaker 1>coming together in a different way than what we've seen before.

460
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<v Speaker 1>But I think this goes along with the changing of

461
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the eons too. We're in that transitional phase right now,

462
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:28.119
<v Speaker 1>so you can really expect a lot, a lot of

463
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.839
<v Speaker 1>new symbols to come out and become prominent.

464
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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, there's one more thing that I wanted to

465
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 5>mention that when I was going to the kr I Center, they.

466
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>They were doing.

467
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:48.839
<v Speaker 5>This meditation after the regular meeting, and I'd never done

468
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:50.839
<v Speaker 5>meditation before, and they called it like it was a

469
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.960
<v Speaker 5>sun meditation or I found out it was multiple stars

470
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:57.160
<v Speaker 5>and I kept going, but it was called contact circles

471
00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:59.880
<v Speaker 5>because they were actually trying to make contact. But I

472
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:04.039
<v Speaker 5>forgot what we were doing because I was just hearing it.

473
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 5>I was just like enjoying, Like I started to see colors, doorways, eyeballs,

474
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.920
<v Speaker 5>and then you were flying through space and at one

475
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.920
<v Speaker 5>point I was going down a tunnel and then I

476
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 5>saw the eclipse. Now it was listening to you guys

477
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.559
<v Speaker 5>that I realized what I saw because I wasn't reading

478
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.680
<v Speaker 5>occult books, you know, like I didn't even know what

479
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:28.480
<v Speaker 5>I saw except when I got shot out into this

480
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.279
<v Speaker 5>empty space where everything went quiet and I saw an eclipse.

481
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:37.519
<v Speaker 5>It didn't open, I got a sensation of falling and

482
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 5>I fell into a room full of TVs with nothing

483
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.160
<v Speaker 5>but violence. And next thing you know, I was in

484
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 5>a desert and there was a tree and then there

485
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 5>was an entity and a cloak and the message was

486
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 5>this is where we're going to end up if we

487
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:57.359
<v Speaker 5>don't turn it around. And when the meditation ended.

488
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.519
<v Speaker 2>We wrote it down. You know what happened.

489
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 5>Two other people in the group so had the same

490
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.759
<v Speaker 5>message with the same thing. I was super dizzy, like

491
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.079
<v Speaker 5>I couldn't even walk and I didn't even I was

492
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:11.279
<v Speaker 5>like I didn't even know what happened to me. And

493
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:13.599
<v Speaker 5>the woman was like, oh, that's normal, you know, like

494
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:15.799
<v Speaker 5>if you even make contact, that's normal, and like I

495
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:20.039
<v Speaker 5>made contact, like it was terrifying. I had to, like

496
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:23.440
<v Speaker 5>my whole reality had to completely change after that, and

497
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 5>that took a long time. And it's just weird that

498
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.519
<v Speaker 5>I just would wander into these situations. It's almost like

499
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 5>I was following some intuition or being guided to this.

500
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I still don't know.

501
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, you live in a really weird area like New

502
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>England has a bunch of strange things going on that

503
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>most people just pass by. And they don't get involved

504
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>with but some people do and then you get stories

505
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>about it. So but yeah, it's a very old part

506
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>of the country. I remember the guy from my family

507
00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>thinks I'm crazy. He was tracking these stone wall they

508
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>were just out in the It doesn't make any sense

509
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>because nothing was built there, and they're like, no, they

510
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>must have been part of a farm or something. And

511
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>they'll go for miles. There's just no explanation for it,

512
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and nobody's looking into it. Nobody thinks about it, and

513
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 1>it's like, what is this place? You know? What was

514
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 1>going on here? And I think a lot of that,

515
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, really does reconnect us back to spirit because

516
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.119
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of yelling out, Hey, something else is happening here,

517
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>you know.

518
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's the thing I went from there.

519
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 5>Now I'm living in Arizona, So I went from a

520
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.759
<v Speaker 5>really really weird part of the country to like another

521
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.319
<v Speaker 5>really weird part of the country.

522
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I live. I live kind of near where the star

523
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Does Ranch.

524
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Guy, Oh, you live on the line. Yeah, there's a

525
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>straight line between Stardust Ranch and all the other haunted ranches.

526
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:52.279
<v Speaker 1>It's strange.

527
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it would.

528
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 1>All be connected. But yeah, that's that's a weird part.

529
00:29:57.559 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I remember in two thousand and one I went out

530
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>to hold a ribe. So this is the longest continuously

531
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:09.759
<v Speaker 1>lived in Howe or city in America. It was, it's

532
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 1>over eight hundred years old. It's like, what do they

533
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>call it? Second Mesa for the Hopie people, and so

534
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.000
<v Speaker 1>they've been out there forever. They're never leaving. And we

535
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:21.759
<v Speaker 1>went out there, me and my mom went out there

536
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>in January and we actually got to sit in on

537
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 1>this naming ceremony festival that they were having for this

538
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>brand new baby. And we were just there looking for

539
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Kachina dolls and they're like, come on in. So it

540
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.599
<v Speaker 1>was really interesting and it's like how do we get here?

541
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.079
<v Speaker 1>What is going on? You know, It's one minute we're

542
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 1>just driving on the highway and then the next minute

543
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 1>we're part of this Native American naming ceremony for a baby,

544
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and we're like how do we you know? What's going on? Wow?

545
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>It's moments like that that really kind of stick with you.

546
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean that the whole idea is, you know, having

547
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:01.279
<v Speaker 1>a special life is almost better than you know, anybody

548
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>even knowing about it.

549
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 3>You don't know what Clarisia just said it in the chats,

550
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 3>a really good point. I can't believe I didn't even

551
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 3>think of that. You had a green man jumping on

552
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 3>your heart the chakra that would be green too, that's.

553
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:22.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, green flame, right, Okay, that's interesting in terms of alchemy.

554
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean we were talking about that too on

555
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the Green Man episode the Lion, the green Lion eating

556
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the sun, and you've got the sun and tip Areth

557
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.559
<v Speaker 1>right there at the heart chakra as well. So it's

558
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.240
<v Speaker 1>it's a really powerful symbol.

559
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, And I'm with everything that was going on.

560
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 5>I ended up listening to aon bite at one point

561
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 5>and reaching out to David Block, and he's actually helped

562
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.119
<v Speaker 5>me a lot with getting through a lot of this

563
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 5>because I didn't know what was happening, and he wasn't

564
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.440
<v Speaker 5>even doing classes at that point. He was just, you know,

565
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 5>let's have a conversation. You want to make sure I

566
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.079
<v Speaker 5>wasn't insane, you know, But he spent like a lot

567
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 5>of time like helping me understand this whatever this process was.

568
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:16.440
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, that was a huge help to have somebody

569
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 5>that understood this.

570
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 1>So have you noticed a you know, definitive change in

571
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 1>like self perception and everything else? After getting this codeex

572
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.359
<v Speaker 1>of new language that you didn't have before from David Block.

573
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.000
<v Speaker 5>From all the experiences I've learned about projections. So like

574
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:40.079
<v Speaker 5>old me would see, it was like a very overweight

575
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 5>person wearing almost nothing at the pool. And old me

576
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 5>would have been like, oh, how could she do that?

577
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.759
<v Speaker 5>Now I'm like, why is this bothering me?

578
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh? It's me.

579
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 5>I'm uncomfortable with myself, So how dare so I look

580
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 5>at everything from my own perception. I've become a nicer person,

581
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:03.039
<v Speaker 5>I think because I think I didn't go into this

582
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 5>trying to get, you know, some sort of power. I

583
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:11.279
<v Speaker 5>didn't even know what I was walking into.

584
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:13.359
<v Speaker 2>And my family.

585
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 5>I realized what my family really is that I couldn't see.

586
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 5>But the whole thing with dealing with the family trauma,

587
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 5>like I had the red Man with the crab spider

588
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.720
<v Speaker 5>legs in my basement. You read that one, and that

589
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.599
<v Speaker 5>would have if you're looking at the clip off, that

590
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 5>would have to do with the ball, and that was

591
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.599
<v Speaker 5>the child. And I ended up dealing with my dad

592
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:43.599
<v Speaker 5>and my mom and what they really were and having

593
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 5>to accept it. And I was taking it out on

594
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:50.920
<v Speaker 5>myself my whole life, and it was something wrong with me,

595
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.039
<v Speaker 5>But then I realized it actually wasn't me, and then

596
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:59.119
<v Speaker 5>I could let that go. So yeah, I don't know

597
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:03.599
<v Speaker 5>why anybody would deal with klipothic work, like if they're sane,

598
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 5>but it appears that that's what's coming up.

599
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Speaker 2>And it's been a nightmare.

600
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:14.719
<v Speaker 5>But also it's been beautiful because my whole perception on

601
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.440
<v Speaker 5>things have changed. But I wouldn't recommend that to somebody

602
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 5>who just thinks that might be fun.

603
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, it seems in your case, you're kind of discovering

604
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 1>that perception is power. Right, So we kind of move

605
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.760
<v Speaker 1>through life thinking that everything the way we see it

606
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>is just the way it is, you know. I mean,

607
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we've all wondered if blue really is blue

608
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:41.760
<v Speaker 1>for other people? Right, well, is that the same color

609
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.480
<v Speaker 1>for them? But in a sense, you know, when we

610
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.559
<v Speaker 1>can have perspective on ourselves and our own you know,

611
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.360
<v Speaker 1>understanding our own emotional traumas and triggers, and I actually

612
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>get to know how the unconscious self reacts, that perception

613
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.559
<v Speaker 1>becomes power. I mean, that's true mastery over the self.

614
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 5>I realized hiking with a friend, I'm noticing all the

615
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.719
<v Speaker 5>things like right under my feet and my friend was

616
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 5>noticing all the things in the distance, and we were

617
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.039
<v Speaker 5>walking together on the same trail, but we were having

618
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Speaker 5>completely different experiences. So yeah, it's a lot to think

619
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:25.920
<v Speaker 5>about there, you.

620
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Know, looking up versus looking down, you know. And well,

621
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:35.119
<v Speaker 1>you know the meme by the guys looking out the

622
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.599
<v Speaker 1>two windows on the bus and one guy's looking over

623
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 1>at the cliff and he's upset and the other guy's

624
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 1>looking over into the wilderness and he's happy. Same train,

625
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:44.440
<v Speaker 1>different perspectives.

626
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

627
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:51.039
<v Speaker 5>Also at the where I'm at now, I ended up

628
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 5>working things out with my boyfriend. Were at the family's

629
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:57.079
<v Speaker 5>intact and the person I thought was like the devil

630
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.519
<v Speaker 5>incarnate when I let go of my perceptions of what

631
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:02.280
<v Speaker 5>I thought.

632
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.280
<v Speaker 2>A relationship was, which was hard. It's not up to

633
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 2>him to make me happy.

634
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.760
<v Speaker 5>Also, he's his own person and he was actually trying

635
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:13.800
<v Speaker 5>to do good, but he wasn't hearing me because he's

636
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:18.400
<v Speaker 5>his own person. Now when I go through things, he

637
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 5>takes over and helps me out, and I'm like this,

638
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<v Speaker 5>how how did I view this person as being evil?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So through all this.

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<v Speaker 5>And that that's why it was the Mercaba, That's why

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<v Speaker 5>it was the balancing of energies and he was holding.

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<v Speaker 2>A sword, so that was was going to cut.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was a you know, maybe there's more

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<v Speaker 5>to the sword symbology, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well he's you know, he's helping you cut the uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the old the negative energy that comes through, right, so

647
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<v Speaker 1>you kind of need that or because if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>letting you go, you know, you're just weighing yourself down.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Also, I think that was the Lover's card in Tarot

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<v Speaker 5>is what I saw, but I wasn't studying Tarot, so

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't have. I saw it afterwards, I'm like, wait

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<v Speaker 5>a minute, this looks familiar. So when you say it

654
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<v Speaker 5>might be parts of your brain or your eyes, that

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<v Speaker 5>would make sense because I did not study Tarot. I

656
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<v Speaker 5>hadn't even seen most of the cards at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>So right in here Nick always breaks it down to

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<v Speaker 1>the archetypal Nature's about these different parts of the eye

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<v Speaker 1>and how they're related to you know, occult symbols for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that it really does come down to

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<v Speaker 1>that perception. If you add up all these pieces, all

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<v Speaker 1>of these different you know, individual ideas, and then put

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<v Speaker 1>them all together, you kind of get that same idea

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<v Speaker 1>of perceptionist power.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with that controlling people's perception is power.

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<v Speaker 1>Man big time. They can't stop. Even though it's not

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<v Speaker 1>working anymore, they still have to do it. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is a great episode for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>That was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, anytime you want to come back winter, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have any experiences, let me know and we'll get on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Do me a big favor, though. Have you read The

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Teachings Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P.

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<v Speaker 3>Hall.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, someone gave me the book and it's sitting

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<v Speaker 5>on my bookshelf. I have not read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Crack it out, but you're gonna find so many symbols

678
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<v Speaker 1>that are directly related to exactly what you're experiencing. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the book to look into. I'm telling you, a

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<v Speaker 1>great book.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to say too.

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<v Speaker 5>With everything going on and I didn't have time to

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<v Speaker 5>go digging through books to find out what was going on.

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<v Speaker 5>It was your show that was sort of helping me

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<v Speaker 5>figure out like where to look for Like I was like, oh,

686
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<v Speaker 5>wait a minute, it might be that right until I've

687
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<v Speaker 5>kind of found what was actually happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So you really helped me. So I'm really grateful for that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice, that's support of magic. It makes infinite associations. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really sticky.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of you wish you didn't make right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, but this is a great episode. Thanks for joining us,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the door is always open if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to come back, let me know. Thank you guys

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<v Speaker 1>for stopping by, and I hope you enjoyed the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see again next Thursday and check out this Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>for the trialogues and hopefully we'll have everybody there. So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much and we'll see you again next time.
