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<v Speaker 1>Well, it seems that we have a lady of the

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<v Speaker 1>cloth coming to the rescue against a congregation of not

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<v Speaker 1>very nice men. It seems that the nasty man has

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<v Speaker 1>called the lady of the cloth, who called for anything

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<v Speaker 1>but being nasty, to be the one on the receiving

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<v Speaker 1>end of things. Helen.

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<v Speaker 2>So imagine if you may, regardless of your belief or

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<v Speaker 2>left thereof that a bishop ask you for compassion for

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable people, Ask that for once, consider your effects on

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<v Speaker 2>others and call that person nasty. Now imagine you're the

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<v Speaker 2>president on an inauguration day, so episcopical, I never say

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<v Speaker 2>this right. Bishop Marian egar Bud gave an impassioned speech

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<v Speaker 2>for Trump to consider the effect of his words and

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<v Speaker 2>policies that would affect communities. Now, I don't think Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has ever been the introspective sort, but this should be

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<v Speaker 2>reminder that people who cannot consider the lot lived experiences

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<v Speaker 2>of other human beings, maybe they shouldn't hold power. The

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<v Speaker 2>vicious speech was a reminder to all of us to

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<v Speaker 2>have compassion for people and other communities outside of our

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<v Speaker 2>immediate circles, and people in power should consider the populace

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<v Speaker 2>as a whole. This story comes from Humanism on the

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<v Speaker 2>Hill by bisch By Reattas by Steve Holland and Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>Mason on January twenty second, twenty twenty five. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why asking for compassion is considered a nasty thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Please explain, because the wrong people you're asking for compassion

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<v Speaker 1>for right now, find people, don't you know? They're not

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<v Speaker 1>real people, don't you know?

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<v Speaker 2>So?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a couple of white of summarizing this article,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's not many ways that are more British than this.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is a Wazok, not a Wazuk.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a I have not heard.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no other ways of putting it. Here's the weather

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<v Speaker 1>vein of American politics. Shall we say he will go

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<v Speaker 1>wherever the wind blows him.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's a symptom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And here's the thing about symptoms. You can cure symptoms.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is prevention is always better than cure around

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<v Speaker 1>these parts. And we should have prevented us getting to

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<v Speaker 1>this state in the first place. And how we now

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<v Speaker 1>get ourselves out of this? I'm not entirely certain. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a sochologist, I'm not a political expert. I just

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<v Speaker 1>happen to be the person that's conducting this show tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>But it does always feel very odd when you see

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<v Speaker 1>your own sense being dehumanized one of the most powerful

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<v Speaker 1>people from client and then you have one of the

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<v Speaker 1>strangest moments as an atheist can have when you have

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<v Speaker 1>a Lady of the Clock come running in white nighte

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<v Speaker 1>and going, don't do this, don't do that. It does

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<v Speaker 1>feel very, very weird that this is where we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to in this world. Wouldn't you agree, Aaron?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very strange world right now. This is not

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<v Speaker 3>where I thought the world would be. I thought four

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<v Speaker 3>years ago that that was the last wee we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to see of the Orange One. Yeah. Well, if you

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<v Speaker 3>look around the world, from what I understand, there is

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<v Speaker 3>a dissatisfaction in general with people in power, and incumbents

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<v Speaker 3>are losing, regardless if they're left or if they're right.

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<v Speaker 3>People are not happy people the voters, right, the voters

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<v Speaker 3>are not happy. They want to change. They do not

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<v Speaker 3>like what they see, they do not like the choices

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<v Speaker 3>they have to stop you here.

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<v Speaker 1>Incumbents are not losing around the world. That's a myth.

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<v Speaker 1>Incumbents one in Finland, incumbents one in the Republic of Ireland,

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<v Speaker 1>incumbents are most likely to win. In Scotland, incumbents are

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<v Speaker 1>doing strange and wonderful things. In Spain, it's just saying

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<v Speaker 1>incumbents around the world are losing is a myth. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>incumbents lost in the United Kingdom, but that was because

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<v Speaker 1>they've been in powers in twenty ten one way, shape

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<v Speaker 1>or another. To say that incumbents are losing around the

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<v Speaker 1>world is a convenient yet incorrect myth. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>Republic of Ireland, the most recent election, which was earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>which was late last year, resulted in the two main

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<v Speaker 1>coalition parties, Pheno Foil and Siana Gale actually increasing their

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<v Speaker 1>vote share and the main opposition party Shinfein not having

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<v Speaker 1>the predicted big win that it was supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>In Spain, the Socialist Party of Spain surprisingly held on

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<v Speaker 1>to lose against the Conservative People's Party. In Finland, the

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<v Speaker 1>incumbents got stronger. In the Netherlands, the incumbents got stronger.

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<v Speaker 1>To say that we have this plethora of overthrowing of

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<v Speaker 1>incumbents is a nice myth, but it's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>Oka I stand corrected well here in the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>there is dissatisfaction at best with our current our current framework,

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<v Speaker 3>our current political system. I don't think people are happy

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<v Speaker 3>with it, and I think people want they want they

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<v Speaker 3>want change, and they don't care who is going to

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<v Speaker 3>who is going to give it to them.

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<v Speaker 1>What does change mean?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Burned down and sterical over again. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard to see anything other than that on why

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<v Speaker 3>people are voted the way they did. Maybe we're not Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>humans are not rational creatures. We're not logical, rational creatures.

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<v Speaker 3>As much as we think.

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<v Speaker 1>We are, Katie trying to be.

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<v Speaker 3>We are trying to be, but people are not. And

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<v Speaker 3>people vote against their own interest all the time, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to continue to happen, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what we do about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you read this article, what did you think

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<v Speaker 1>of this obticle as a mirror to the society that

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<v Speaker 1>America has devolved or developed? How you look at it into.

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<v Speaker 2>What's amazing that I have never heard someone had to

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<v Speaker 2>tell President this, and all the years of following, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and my forty five plus years on this planet, I

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<v Speaker 2>have never heard a person of the cloth or anyone

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<v Speaker 2>else have to tell a president to take other people

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<v Speaker 2>into consideration. That blew my mind. Not that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>so much that I expect Trump to be an He's

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<v Speaker 2>never had an introspective thought in his life. He has

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<v Speaker 2>never looked inward and looked at his own behavior because

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<v Speaker 2>he's an orange shit given so he doesn't have higher

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<v Speaker 2>thinking skills. But it says something about the seventy seven

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<v Speaker 2>million people that voted for him. Either they don't care

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to assume other people's motivations, but

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<v Speaker 2>it concerns me that a person and I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>with the bishop. I'm like, good on you, good on you,

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<v Speaker 2>because as I the fact that she had to say

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<v Speaker 2>this to someone that is the most powerful person in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, had to say this to him, Please consider

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<v Speaker 2>other people, Please show compassion because people are terrified. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's kind of amazing. It's amazing in a

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<v Speaker 2>terrible way.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this does show the major flaw with well democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>And this isn't an anti democratic ran This isn't anything

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<v Speaker 1>that's pro or anti democratic, but it does allow anybody

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<v Speaker 1>of any qualification to be able to ascend to any

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<v Speaker 1>position that they're constitutionally allowed to because we do have

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<v Speaker 1>some of the least qualified people trying to run the

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<v Speaker 1>government at the moment, and it is quite frankly, quite scary.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, back in twenty sixteen, the current president, who

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<v Speaker 1>was then the forty fifth president of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>had no previous political offices that he had ever held.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd never done it before, whereas the guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>number forty six in the office had been. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the furniture that they just moved around a bit and

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<v Speaker 1>then they moved him down the street. That's how long

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been there. He was part of the furniture. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you go back to president's past, you take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at Bill Clinton, he had been on Arkansas politician

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<v Speaker 1>for decades. You take Ronald Reagan, he'd been a California

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<v Speaker 1>politician for decades. You take Richard Dixon, he'd been a

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<v Speaker 1>California politician and vice president of the United States for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Go back to president's past. It was seen as okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you've done the job. Interview of how well you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually do this election thing beforehand, and then you rise

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<v Speaker 1>out of the rank. You don't normally have the first

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<v Speaker 1>political office you hold being the number one top job.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not normal in these circle ass we're not living

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<v Speaker 1>in normal times when you can just catapult from nothingness

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<v Speaker 1>and obscurity as a reality television star running your own

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<v Speaker 1>show to becoming the forty fifth and forty seventh president

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States. And it should tell you something

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<v Speaker 1>when contestants on the reality show are asked and the

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<v Speaker 1>source for this is the magician Pendulect when he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not win the last celebrity edition of The

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<v Speaker 1>Apprentice hosted by Donald Trump because I was told by

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<v Speaker 1>the producers I had to say it that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>he would be a good president, and he said, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that. I just straight up don't believe he

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<v Speaker 1>would make a good president. So therefore, the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>is now the President of the Ice States decided that

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't going to win the show. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>level of not normal that we're living in in this

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<v Speaker 1>day and age, and this article is the epitome of

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<v Speaker 1>not normal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's no there's no political consequences anymore for anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Right in his first in his first campaign, the Orange

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<v Speaker 3>one said that he could shoot someone on First Avenue

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<v Speaker 3>and he wouldn't lose a vote. And I think that

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<v Speaker 3>was the most pressient thing he said, and it's true.

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<v Speaker 3>There's there.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone ridiculed him for it. Everyone ridiculed him, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was true.

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<v Speaker 3>All the teams that came out during that first election

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<v Speaker 3>didn't didn't FaZe him, and area is back as forty

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<v Speaker 3>seventh the president the United States. So I've only love

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<v Speaker 3>to believe that people just don't care who the president is,

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<v Speaker 3>right because normally before both things would have had consequences,

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<v Speaker 3>and now they don't. Why not? I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't I'm not And that's in these areas.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the real here's the real CrOx of the matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it that the three of us I guaranteed

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<v Speaker 1>to know who the occupant of sixteen hundred Pennsylvany Avenue is,

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<v Speaker 1>But are nine hundred and ninety nine times out of

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<v Speaker 1>us in the Senate, not going to have a clue

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<v Speaker 1>who represents us in the House, or even who the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor of the city we live in need?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, because I mean I do, I do know

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm plunked and just plunt in the past ten

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor of the city you live in, No, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know I knew the mayor of Serrisoda. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the mayor of Port Charlie as I just moved here.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's fair. That's the last question. Then do you

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<v Speaker 1>know that that I'm your local represented.

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<v Speaker 2>My local level, oh city council. Oh you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. So that's fair, Okay, so fair. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's because I think that because this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is the thing, and I'm and I am not

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<v Speaker 2>going to excuse myself or anything like that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>part of it is that for most people, like they

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<v Speaker 2>are aware of bills that are going forward, like when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm voting, I will start looking up stuff when voting

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<v Speaker 2>comes around and see who aligns with my values and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and what they voted on when elections should

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<v Speaker 2>come up with the two to four years between that,

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<v Speaker 2>I will admit it. I'm not always paying attention and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll and I'll own it. I'll own that, I think

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<v Speaker 2>because but we'll pay attention to broader politics, will know

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<v Speaker 2>who our senator is, Like you know, we know Marco Rubio,

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<v Speaker 2>know all these butt heads, you know, the Santis and

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that are in front of my face. My

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<v Speaker 2>local representative is not, and also as well because they

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to gain more power and they are part

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<v Speaker 2>of the larger government system. But the local representative, that's

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<v Speaker 2>like running your school board. Not a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>I agree that it is a problem, and I and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not and I'm going to own my shit. But

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<v Speaker 2>but the thing is, though, is that I think for

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<v Speaker 2>most people, even though like I am politically educated, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that i'm but there are places that I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm missing Gafts because I also think too for people

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe voted for Trump. One of my one of

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<v Speaker 2>my friends, voted against her best interests because she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the next question. What is democracy today? If

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<v Speaker 1>democracy isn't devolving power down to the lowest level of community,

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<v Speaker 1>it's come to the point where you don't really go

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<v Speaker 1>out and vote anymore because no one stands against the incumber.

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<v Speaker 1>What has become of democracy? A meanly.

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<v Speaker 3>Democracy is only as strong as the people that are voting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's only as strong as the people that choose to

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<v Speaker 3>get involved. There's only as strong as the people that care,

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<v Speaker 3>that care about the issues. They know who represents them,

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<v Speaker 3>that knows what. Even more important than knows who representative,

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<v Speaker 3>knows what the people that represent stand for and what

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<v Speaker 3>they will and what their agendas are and what they

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<v Speaker 3>want to put forth. Democracy requires work from the people

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<v Speaker 3>that are voting.

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<v Speaker 1>And democracy isn't just voting. This show is democracy in action.

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<v Speaker 1>The three of us on this show and the producer

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<v Speaker 1>and the ICI, and that's democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Action, being able to speak your mind, speak your peace.

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<v Speaker 3>Democracy is also a free press. Democracy is also in

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<v Speaker 3>a decent press that's actually informs the public and that

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<v Speaker 3>the public trusts and listens to that. In my view,

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<v Speaker 3>a good press is the fourth branch of government of

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<v Speaker 1>States, It's cool. Yeah, Democracy is not just voting. Out

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<v Speaker 1>of just voting, this is what democracy is. Democracy is

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<v Speaker 1>the freedom to make your own choice at his most

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental level, whether that be to choose your own representative,

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<v Speaker 1>or to choose what you speak about as we do

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<v Speaker 1>on this show, or to choose what you pick up

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<v Speaker 1>and read. This is where the disconnect has become because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people have forgotten what democracy is. People

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just picking up a pencil and going and voting.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>My junior English teacher in high school said that he

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<v Speaker 3>was he did not like the get out and vote campaigns.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I don't want you to get out and vote.

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<v Speaker 3>What I want you to do is understand the issues

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<v Speaker 3>to be an active participant in the voting process and

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<v Speaker 3>then vote. That's more valuable than just having people get

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<v Speaker 3>out and vote. And as I get older and I

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<v Speaker 3>see things, you know what, I kind of agree with

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<v Speaker 3>that view. If you're not going to be informed, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're not going to pay attention, if you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the next thing. Democracy survives when you have

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<v Speaker 1>an active citizenry. Protests. As much as people may loathe

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<v Speaker 1>them for the inconvenience, will try to shut them down,

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<v Speaker 1>they are the backbone of democracy. Talking to your elected

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<v Speaker 1>representatives is another backbone of your democracy, and holding your

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<v Speaker 1>elected representatives to account in open public for that's democracy

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<v Speaker 1>as well, but that's not all democracy is. Democracy is

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<v Speaker 1>about having that expression that civil society is doing what

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<v Speaker 1>a North Korea would, because that's not an open civil society.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not democracy. It could call itself the democratic whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not democracy. And it's frightening to see democracy

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<v Speaker 2>Always have them, But I don't know because there's been

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like if you look at any sort of

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<v Speaker 2>we got here. I want to know. But we are

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<v Speaker 2>now dealing with the result, and the result is that

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<v Speaker 2>rich buddies also empower of people that are in it

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<v Speaker 2>for themselves and don't have compassion, don't have that broader

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<v Speaker 2>You know, these people are in it for themselves. And

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<v Speaker 2>if that is what democracy has become. That is the

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<v Speaker 2>it for ourselves, and that's not what a democracy is.