WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:01.600 All right, what's good. 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:05.200 It's five time on a Thursday afternoon, about ten minutes 3 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:06.559 past the hour of two o'clock. 4 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:09.119 It is snowy, it is cold. 5 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:12.240 According to forecast, the snow will let up in about 6 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:14.960 one hour from right now. But our resorts are getting 7 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:18.160 stomped and we are getting stomped down here in the 8 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:20.399 valley and the benches, which is of course good for 9 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:23.160 the folks that enjoy such things. But as it is 10 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:26.079 every single day, it's gonna have you along for the ride. 11 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.679 My name is Spence check its I host this radio program. 12 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:31.399 That young man is Porter Larson. He produces it, does 13 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:32.679 a lot of other things for too. 14 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:33.640 Not just a producer. 15 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:36.600 He books the guests and sometimes comes in with hot 16 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:38.479 takes off the top rope. Maybe we'll get some hot 17 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:41.640 takes from Porter today on a jam Pack Thursday show. 18 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:45.039 The Utah Jazz will begin the second half of the 19 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:50.119 NBA season taking on Oklahoma City coming up tomorrow, but 20 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:53.079 the NBA is back out of in full force. Utah 21 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:55.359 Hockey Club will be back in action on Saturday, but 22 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:57.679 of course the hockey world is focused on the Four 23 00:00:57.920 --> 00:00:59.079 Nations Final tonight. 24 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:00.840 Talk about that game. 25 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.680 It is in Boston, a great domestic hockey city without 26 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:08.319 the hockey history that Montreal has, but the diehard hockey 27 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:08.920 fans out. 28 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:09.400 In full force. 29 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:12.719 We'll have the Four Nations Final matchup for you here 30 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.799 on this radio station after the Craig Smith Coaches Show tonight, 31 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:18.159 which will be in at six o'clock. So a lot 32 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:19.480 of eyes, a lot of the ears, a lot of 33 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.359 attention on the world of pro hockey tonight, so we'll 34 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.000 get you ready for that game. We'll talk about that 35 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:26.280 game on the program and then you can hear it 36 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:31.560 on this little old radio station. RSL Cocky Caff Champions 37 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:35.480 Cup nil nil your final down in Costa Rica. They'll 38 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:38.840 be back in action this time for MLS play against 39 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:41.439 San Jose on the road on Saturday. San Jose has 40 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:45.480 a new player, a new striker. His name is Chico 41 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.079 Arongo played here last year, so RSL will have to 42 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:50.719 deal with Chicho on the other side coming up on Saturday, 43 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:52.959 and then back in action Lake two of the Cocky 44 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:55.599 Caff Champions Cup coming up next week here in Salt Lake. 45 00:01:55.640 --> 00:02:00.959 The home opener for RSL is against Seattle a week Saturday, 46 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:04.319 So a little soccer on the program today, kind of 47 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:06.959 a quiet time right now in the world of pro football. 48 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.240 A trend is taking place in the world of college football. 49 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:13.719 I want to talk about today as Texas and usc 50 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.120 have announced that they are the latest programs to cancel 51 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:20.520 their spring games. Is that something that we're going to 52 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.599 see kind of widespread across the world of college football. 53 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:25.599 I believe that the answer to that is Jeff Steve 54 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.080 Sarkeesian got a new contract today. He will be paid 55 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:33.759 very handsomely after a great, great stretch last year in 56 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:34.680 college football. 57 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:36.919 We will give you the latest with. 58 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:41.639 The conference commissioners meeting, namely Greg sank and Tony Petiti 59 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:46.159 because it was excuse me, only the SEC in the 60 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:48.680 Big ten, no Big twelve rep, no acc rep, no 61 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.919 group of five rep. A lot of rumors and some 62 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:55.080 things that we actually do know tangibly coming out of 63 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:58.039 that meeting. So, of course, as the home of the 64 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.199 Utes in a college football market, we have one on 65 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:04.159 college football at the time. The Utah State Aggie's absolutely 66 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.800 curb stomped San Jose State last night. Utah stayed in 67 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.039 the middle of a really nice college basketball run. Do 68 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.039 some college basketball on the show today, have a great 69 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:15.280 college basketball guest as we are high speed ahead to 70 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:18.599 March and so busy on a Thursday with a good 71 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.000 guest list for you guys. Starting out with Andy Larson 72 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:25.120 covers the Utah Jazz for the Salt Lake Tribune. Do 73 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:27.479 some jazz, We'll do some NBA hoops, We'll do some 74 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:29.960 maybe a little RSL at the time allows for that guy, 75 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:34.879 Andy Larson. Today, Ken Pom Ken Pomeroy. I had a 76 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.639 nephew last year asked me what is a Ken Pom 77 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.479 because he was watching college basketball coverage. And if you're 78 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.840 watching a college basketball coverage, anyone in the know will 79 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:47.400 reference the work of Ken Pomeroy and his website is 80 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.960 Kenpom dot com. So if you're watching Sports Center or 81 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.479 a college basketball show and you hear them say, well, 82 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:55.759 they're thirty first in the Ken Pom, which is what 83 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:59.240 BYU is right now, that's because of the work of 84 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.360 our guy, Kenmroy, one of the most respected college basketball 85 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.800 minds out there. We're gonna bring Ken in today to 86 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.599 talk some Utah hoops, to talk some BYU hoops, Utah 87 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:11.879 State Aggies as well, and then big picture college basketball 88 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.400 with Ken Pomroy on the program. Am and El Hassen 89 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.399 makes his time for return of the show for your 90 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.360 NBA Daily Assists today. I Mean is a guy I've 91 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:22.319 known for a long long time. He was in the 92 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:24.160 Knicks front office, the Sun's front office. 93 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.439 He's been in media now for about fifteen years. 94 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:28.800 Has a number of different podcasts, does a bunch of 95 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.480 work with the Lebtard group down in South Beach there. 96 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:32.959 So we'll bring a mean on today. Then we'll do 97 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:33.439 a little. 98 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.800 Sports court with our guys from the law firm of 99 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.720 Handy and Handy. So a busy show on a Thursday afternoon, 100 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.399 Andy Larson, Ken Pomeroy, Amino Hassen, little sports court today, 101 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.040 we'll say good night and time for the Craig Smith 102 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.959 Coaches Show coming up at six o'clock tonight. And then 103 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.240 at seven o'clock tonight you'll hear the remainder of the 104 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:57.079 Four Nations Final matchup between Canada and the US. Andy Larson, Ken, 105 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.160 pomroy A, Mino Hassen, he Spence check at all of 106 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:03.120 you the great listeners, Guy Porter Larson on a Thursday afternoon, 107 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:06.240 what you have a Four Nations Final hot take right 108 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:07.040 out of the gates. 109 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:08.519 I don't think so. 110 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:11.759 I don't think I pay enough attention to Canada or 111 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.040 USA hockey to give you an actual hot take. 112 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:17.839 Here's here's one. 113 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:21.759 There're gonna be two breaks during the game that are 114 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.839 gonna go too long. I'm gonna get sidetracked. Uh, and 115 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:26.759 then I'm gonna forget it's happening. But I'm gonna dial 116 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.319 in for the end of it. Hopefully, hopefully Team USA 117 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:29.800 pols it down. 118 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:31.639 That is not a hot take. That is a prediction 119 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:33.199 that will absolutely happen. 120 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.240 I listen, and I know I'm gonna have to get 121 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:37.920 used to it. We've got hockey in the market now. 122 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:40.519 It is still the one thing. 123 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:41.839 I know. It's a me problem. 124 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.800 I know it's an ADHD problem, but it's it's almost 125 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.879 like the All Star Game we saw on Sunday, minus 126 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:52.279 the bad basketball. Every game where you take those breaks 127 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.480 and for someone like me, man, yeah, you forget, you forget. 128 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:57.279 You're watching hockey, not tonight though not tonight. 129 00:05:58.079 --> 00:05:59.360 Yeah, No, I understand. 130 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.639 My higher thing with any sport I watch is it 131 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:04.959 has to be on the DVR, and so I turn 132 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.160 off all my alerts, okay, and I let the game 133 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:09.279 kind of run. It helps with hockey, yeah, and it 134 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.120 helps with everything I can get through an NBA game 135 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:12.759 in like an hour. Get through an NFL game and 136 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:14.959 like an hour and a half. Or college football. Unless 137 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:16.759 I'm attending a game, I do not watch it live 138 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:18.879 at home. I am on the DVR because I cannot 139 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:21.160 stand the breaks and the commercials are it'd be one 140 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:22.480 thing that the commercials are entertaining. 141 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:24.160 They're not. They're just boring and they're too long. 142 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.240 Well, and part of me like feels a little guilty 143 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:29.759 for it, Like, oh, you know what if I was 144 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.959 in nineteen sixty when I couldn't re fast forward through 145 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:35.639 a baseball game. Well, in nineteen sixty they sat down 146 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.199 and watched a baseball game and didn't have an hour 147 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.319 of commercials during it, right, So I don't know, we're 148 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:42.040 we're adjusting it. 149 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.720 Well, in in nineteen sixty, we didn't have seventy five 150 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.519 different things to take our attention away from whatever else 151 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.959 we're watching at every single moment. Oh it's a commercial, Twitter, Instagram, 152 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.680 social media. Oh it's a commercial email. I'm gonna flip 153 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:57.920 over and watch Severance for a minute because I losted 154 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:01.240 it exactly. It's ridiculous, man, Like, we are a society 155 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.519 that has an attention span issue. And I'm not judging 156 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.800 because I'm one of them. But we try to stay 157 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.759 focused on this show for you guys, four hours every afternoon. 158 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:11.000 Except I just messed all that up. 159 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:12.600 Yeah you did. Thanks a lot of pout, all right. 160 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.639 Andy larsh is our first guest right out of the gates. 161 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.959 But before we get to Andy, on a Thursday, courteousy 162 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:19.959 of our good friends at Burt Brothers, it is time 163 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.199 now for your opening tip, all right. With over thirty 164 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.360 years of experience in nearly thirty locations, Burt Brothers, as 165 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:31.319 certified technicians, bring expertise and professionalism to every interaction industry, 166 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.319 leading warranties and low price tier guarantees. 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I think it's still a remarkable accomplishment 188 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.600 that the Smith Entertainment Group pulled off with just basically 189 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:42.240 weeks of notice. You know, we had Gary Bettman on 190 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:45.840 our show prior to the announcement of the club actually 191 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.840 coming here. Gary stop by the commissioner of the NHL, 192 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.440 and he dropped on us the tidbit that the first 193 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:53.559 conversation he had with Ryan about this whole thing was 194 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.000 in March, and they were able to pull it off 195 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.960 by like may I mean, it was wild and while 196 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.799 the learning curve certainly has been a little bit uncomfortable 197 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:04.399 at times, and that building is not built for hockey yet, 198 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.360 it's a really fun thing and a really cool experience 199 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.039 for me as a media member to be able to 200 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:11.799 cover this sport that I've watched since I was a 201 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:13.919 kid and been around growing up in the Northeast, which 202 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:17.480 is kind of like the hockey footprint domestically. It's been fun, 203 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:19.879 and the Utah Hockey Club I think has a lot 204 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:22.519 of exciting things ahead of it. It's a very young team, 205 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.480 it's a front office that's savvy and smart. It's an 206 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:27.840 ownership group that has shown they're willing to spend, and 207 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.919 they have draft capital and they have cap flexibility. In 208 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:32.840 a way, it's kind of a lot like the Jazz, 209 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:35.679 I would say the Hockey Club. The Utah Hockey Club 210 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.840 is further along in their rebuild than the Utah Jazz, 211 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:40.840 but in fairness, they've been doing it five. This is 212 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:44.519 like year five of Bill Armstrong's kind of project, and 213 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.480 he's been very clear to let everybody know like temper 214 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:49.840 those expectations because we got a young group and they 215 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:54.200 expedouted it with a couple of different signings with some vets. 216 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.440 Sergachev namely Mikhel Sergachev brought in. He was a Stanley 217 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.240 Cup winner. He's still a young player, but a really 218 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:02.919 good locker room guy that has shown he has a 219 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:04.840 chance to be one of the leaders of this group 220 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:07.399 for a long long time. So the world of hockey 221 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.360 right now is receiving attention that a lot of people 222 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:14.080 feel like is very unprecedented, and I think it's really 223 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:18.960 interesting because US Canada in hockey is not a new thing, 224 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:25.159 and US Canada playing for big time championships and medals, 225 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:27.240 that's not a new thing. We had the US Canada 226 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:30.360 gold medal game here in two thousand and two for 227 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.559 the Salt Lake Olympic Games. I remember I was working 228 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.559 as one of the venue managers for the Salakeuyce Center. 229 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:40.080 We had short track speed skating, which is of course 230 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.240 a Polo Antonoo sport, who is kind of the biggest 231 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:43.080 star of those games. 232 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.279 We had figure skating in our venue. 233 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.240 Of course, the Russian judge scandal that rocked the world, 234 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:52.519 but the ability in the chance to go see USA 235 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.000 Canada in hockey in the gold medal game was one 236 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.879 of the most exciting things I've ever experienced. And you 237 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:02.360 can already feel that tonight is something substantial now. 238 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:03.000 I don't know. 239 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:06.000 I've listened all morning the couple of different hockey podcasts 240 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:09.120 we had Neil Smith on yesterday as the Four Nations 241 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.600 face off final is tonight. Reminder you can hear it 242 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.159 on ESPN seven hundred following the Craigsmith Coaches Show. And topically, 243 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.440 it's reminded me a little bit of the way that 244 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.039 people talk about soccer when the US actually has a 245 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.159 decent team, or US Mexico, which is the rivalry that 246 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:28.519 our US men's national team has, it's more intense than 247 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.960 any other whenever there's like a big time seminal soccer event. 248 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:34.000 The World Cup back in the day, I think it 249 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:37.159 was ninety four was in the United States, which kind 250 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.480 of led to the implementation of Major League Soccer, which 251 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.919 just turned thirty or is turning thirty this year. The 252 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.399 World Cup cycle, which is in our region coming up 253 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.279 not too long from now. Everybody's talking about this is 254 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:50.919 the seminal moment for soccer and what does it mean 255 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:53.480 for soccer moving forward. I don't know what the four 256 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:57.039 nations face off means for hockey moving forward, but I 257 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:59.559 think it's interesting to listen to people break this down 258 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:04.480 and PK Suban, who's been on the coverage for ESPN 259 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:07.480 he's live in Boston, took an opportunity this morning to 260 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.679 really take the NBA to task and utilize pro hockey 261 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.039 as kind of a template for you as the consumer. 262 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:16.399 If you actually want to watch a game, and you 263 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.080 actually want to watch a sport where the players give 264 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.200 a rip about their craft, you cannot find it more 265 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.200 intensely then you will find it in the world of 266 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.440 professional hockey. And the great thing about a matchup like 267 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:30.519 tonight is you have players playing for the flag and 268 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:34.440 the country and not necessarily a paycheck or their brands. 269 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:36.879 It's one of the things that still makes the Olympics 270 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.960 great right whenever an Olympic cycle takes place, whether it's 271 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:44.039 winter game, summer games, it's fun to watch people who 272 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:48.960 clearly are playing and performing for the flag that they're representing, 273 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.120 as opposed to, you know, just trying to make another 274 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.919 buck or trying to get more followers or influence on 275 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.919 your social media channels and if we're honest, that's what 276 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.879 pro basketball has become. And so you know, we'll see 277 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:06.200 if this talking point, this selling point that everybody who's 278 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:10.120 excited for the four Nations face off final tonight actually 279 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.799 comes to fruition if there are any NBA fans out 280 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:16.240 there that are disenfranchised by a product that employees employees 281 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.279 that don't take their job seriously, watch what happens tonight. 282 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.120 I mean, hockey players play through injuries. They play like 283 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.159 the Kochuck brothers were both interviewed after the news came 284 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:29.120 down that they had some upper body injury issues and 285 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:30.679 they're both are like, well, yeah, we're hurt, but we're 286 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.039 still playing coming up on Thursday. 287 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:33.799 We wouldn't miss this. 288 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.840 And I do think there is an absolute lesson that 289 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.240 the NBA could take from the NHL when it comes 290 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:44.279 to commitment to your craft, understanding why you do what 291 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:46.159 you do. You do what you do for the people 292 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.200 who support you, namely the consumers who buy tickets and 293 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.960 the consumers who watch your games. Hockey players take that 294 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:55.320 seriously and they always have and they're My experience with 295 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.279 them is they are, for the most part, tremendous human 296 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.919 beings that are good members of the community and care 297 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:04.080 about what they do and want to do what they 298 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:05.799 do at the highest of levels for the people that 299 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.480 are tuning in, and I think it makes tonight really 300 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:10.440 really interesting or really exciting. 301 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.039 You know, Boston is a great hockey city. 302 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:17.159 Domestically, we don't have the history of hockey that Canada has. 303 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:20.759 Canada is the winninges hockey country there is. I do 304 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.320 think they'll expand the four nations moving forward now that 305 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:25.679 they've seen how awesome this is. I think Germany's gonna 306 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.960 be involved. Russia on paper should be involved, but hey, 307 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.320 you know, we'll leave that to the side. You guys 308 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.840 understand why Russia has not been invited and probably won't 309 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:34.600 be for a little while. 310 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:36.440 But this should be a fun one tonight. 311 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:40.519 So Connor Hellabuck has thought to be the best goalie 312 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:42.840 in the world right now, he's the US goalie and 313 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:46.080 he'll be between the pipes. Both of these teams have 314 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.120 great goalies now. Jordan Binnington. He's a bit of a 315 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.360 polarizing guy, and I wouldn't be stunned by the way 316 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:53.600 if the two goalies fight each other tonight. I don't 317 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:56.480 think we're going to see like three fights right off 318 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:00.440 the jump, like before we're even seeing any skating. Because 319 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.120 when it comes to like a Stanley Cup final or 320 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.240 a final like this, where a trophy is on the 321 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:08.360 line and it's best first best, your best players cannot 322 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.600 spend time in the penalty box. That's why you don't 323 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:13.399 see a ton of fighting when there's actually something on 324 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.360 the line tangible to play for. So I'd be surprised 325 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.399 if either the Kachuck brothers drop their gloves. 326 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:19.919 They need to be on the ice. 327 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.320 But Jordan Biddington was the goalie for the Saint Louis 328 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.000 Blues in twenty nineteen, and that year he went into 329 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.080 Boston and led the Blues to a game seven win 330 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:33.759 and a Stanley Cup. So Jordan Bidnington knows what that 331 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.720 crowd is like tonight. I'll be anxious to see what 332 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.039 the crowd looks like. As far as the split between 333 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.480 Canada fans and US fans, the ticket prices have absolutely 334 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:47.120 skyrocketed as a result of the attention that this tournament 335 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.519 has received. Now, according to vivid Seats, the average listed 336 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.440 price for the four Nations face Off Championship game has 337 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:57.399 skyrocketed by one hundred and thirty seven percent since the 338 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.759 US and Canada first faced off on Saturday the fifteenth, 339 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.159 jumping from nine hundred and ninety dollars. This is your 340 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:06.720 average ticket price. That's what it was on the fifteenth. 341 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.840 As of today, your average ticket price is two thousand, 342 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:14.120 four hundred and fifty dollars. There are rumors that very 343 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.360 good NHL players have inquired about getting tickets and they've 344 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.840 been turned away. So it will be a sellout. It 345 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.440 will be loud, it will be intense. If you've never 346 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:25.600 watched hockey tonight, I would tune in and watch this game, 347 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.120 and if you're driving around town running errands, make sure 348 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:30.159 to keep it here so you can hear it the 349 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.519 intensity in hockey games like this. There's something I've said 350 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:36.759 this earlier in the season when I was interviewing Neil 351 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.519 There's something about like hockey documentaries. There are a lot 352 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:43.879 of great ones about like enforcers. The Avalanche Red Wings 353 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.440 documentary that's out on ESPN thirty for thirty is a 354 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:50.720 phenomenal watch. There's a different level of intensity with hockey 355 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:54.360 that I think, honestly speaking, is unmatched on stages like this, 356 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.240 and you'll feel it when you tune in tonight. 357 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:57.399 So it's at six o'clock. 358 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:58.000 All right. 359 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:02.399 Utah Jazz are in action tomorrow. Gokse is the opponent. 360 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:04.720 The second half of the NBA season kind of got 361 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:05.480 gone last night. 362 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:07.359 Lakers have lost. 363 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.359 Now excuse me to the Jazz and the Hornets back 364 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.279 to back games with Luca and Lebron. Our next guest 365 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.559 covers the Jazz and other things for the Saul Lake 366 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.759 Tribune on a Thursday afternoon. We welcome in Andy Larson, Andy, 367 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:20.599 Happy Thursday, buddy. 368 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:21.079 How are we doing? 369 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:22.480 I'm good man, How are you? 370 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:26.000 I'm good? I was beer bar last night. Most important question. 371 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:30.599 The RSL Conker CAF Champions Cup watch party vibes immaculate. 372 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.119 As the kids say, the vibe are good. 373 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.319 You know, Look it was not a strongly attended watch party. 374 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:39.160 They're probably I don't know ten fifteen RSL fans player, 375 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:43.079 but to watch a nil Mill draw and where nothing happened, 376 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:45.799 and so I would say the vibes were were probably 377 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:46.319 pretty mid. 378 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:47.000 Let's be honest. 379 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:50.480 Mid vibes at beer bar. Wow, don't sell rimando. 380 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:51.480 Look, beer bar. 381 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:53.680 Had nothing to do with this. This is it's it's 382 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:56.720 it's a great location to watch a game. But yeah, 383 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.720 I mean nil mill with in a it was. It 384 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.519 was not the peak of watch parties like you and 385 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:04.400 I have been too. 386 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.039 For example, fair enough, fair enough. 387 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:10.960 So after that performance, have you changed your expectations for 388 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.480 better or for worse for this club this year? 389 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.960 I mean, I guess a little bit worse. Look, Coasta 390 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:23.519 Recan teams aren't very good, and ideally you would be 391 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.599 promoting more ideas and having better chances than I think 392 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:31.200 RSL had during that match. And I mean I watched 393 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.519 the Cincinnati Motagua match after that. That's the hun Duran 394 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.559 club and they just they you know, Cincinnati bought that game, 395 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:40.200 and to a degree that ARSOL didn't now didn't have 396 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:42.799 Diego Luna, didn't have Justin Glad for most of that game, 397 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.319 you know, And the biggest thing is they didn't have 398 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:50.599 a striker. And then unfortunately, Gioga Gonsalves looked as average 399 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:54.039 as he's been since RSOL acquired him. And so I 400 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.000 think that in particular that last note, that Diogo doesn't 401 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:02.079 look like a special or even in year two. As 402 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:04.640 we start year two, and maybe we'll see how this develops. 403 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.480 It's game one for sure, but it was as they 404 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:10.759 put it on Twitter kind of mildly dishart names. 405 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:16.640 Last RSL question, I am told that reinforcements should be expected. 406 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.000 I don't know when. I don't know what it looks like. 407 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.160 What do you hope it looks like? And when do 408 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:22.079 you hope it comes down? 409 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.920 Yeah, look, it's got to be a striker and Eliath 410 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:31.480 Manuel didn't want to come to RSL again. It's disappointing 411 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.799 that a replacement hasn't been found more quickly, you know, 412 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.200 given that now you are playing in Champions League play, 413 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:43.079 Champions Cup play. I guess it's disappointing frankly that they 414 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:46.839 didn't find a bigger player after they knew that the 415 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.279 teacher was going to be moving on, you know, pretty 416 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:53.359 clearly midway through the season. They had knew what that 417 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:55.559 situation was and knew that maybe that wasn't going to 418 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:59.279 be tenable moving forward. So yeah, look, it's got to 419 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:00.720 be a sector. It's got to be a good striker. 420 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.640 It's got to be you know, a designated player striker 421 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:05.640 in my mind, and or at least you know, someone 422 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:09.720 who's got significant history of scoring goals in this league. 423 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.680 You know, there's been the Duncan McGuire rumors, and maybe 424 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:14.720 that's the way they go. And I think Duncan's a 425 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:17.960 very good player and would solve a lot of those problems. 426 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:21.759 I don't know about it at the DP level, but yeah, 427 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:24.119 and in the end, you know, this team needs more 428 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:25.920 upfront to be one of the best teams in the 429 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:28.599 Western Conference. Like I hope they will be all. 430 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:33.400 Right all Star weekend? Andy, goodness, gracious, what was your 431 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:38.160 interest slash consumption level and your takeaways? 432 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:41.880 Yeah, I mean, honestly, pretty lowly. Tried to take some 433 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:46.240 time off and but you know, it also just seems 434 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:50.839 like the exact the exact opposite of must watch television, right, 435 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.319 Like even in the sports world that I you know, 436 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:57.680 love watching sports, Like why is an average sports fan 437 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:00.880 watching the NBA All Star Game with its tournament and 438 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:04.720 all of it's Kevin Hart skit and you know, giving 439 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:08.559 awards to Charles Barkley and the inside the inside the 440 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:11.480 NBA T and T crew when that show is still 441 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.200 going to continue next year just on ESPN. No one 442 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:18.279 cares what channel this is on. To turn you know, 443 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:21.920 thirty minutes of basketball into a three hour presentation is rough. 444 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:26.000 And so yeah, like the DAYTOTA five hundred, frankly may 445 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.839 have been more interesting to watch for me. I had 446 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:30.880 dinner with my family and did not feel like I 447 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.279 was missing a whole lot of what was happening on 448 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:36.720 All Star Sunday. You know, I think Mac mcclugg does 449 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:39.599 some cool dunks on on All Ftairs Saturday, and you know, 450 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.519 Stefan Castle did as well, and that was I think 451 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:46.960 a relatively above average dunk contest. But yeah, it's just 452 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.640 not must watch anymore. And I think, you know, that's 453 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:52.160 the league of problem that all these leagues are facing, 454 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.279 is that, like the traditional All Star game format doesn't 455 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:59.359 work anymore. And ultimately, you know, I think kind of 456 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:02.720 the further you get away from that traditional kind of idea, 457 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:04.559 whether that be you know, what the NFL has done 458 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:06.119 with the Pro Bowl or what the NHL has done 459 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:08.480 with the Four Nations Tournament, it's probably the best way 460 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:09.640 to go at this point. 461 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:13.359 So are you old enough to remember when the All 462 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:14.359 Star Game was fun? 463 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:16.079 Yeah? 464 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.400 Okay, yeah for sure. I mean I remember being a 465 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:22.119 big part of growing up, being like eight, nine, ten 466 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:24.200 years old and watching the All Star Game and it 467 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.799 seems really fun and cool then right, like it seems 468 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:29.799 like these superheroes in my brain, and some of that's 469 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:32.799 just because I was a kid. But we're coming together 470 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:36.559 and playing in this this game. You know that that 471 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:39.279 had everyone I had ever heard of in it, right, 472 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:43.680 So yeah, you know, it was better to look And 473 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.440 it wasn't amazing. It's not like they were killing each 474 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:50.039 other out there, but it was it was significantly, significantly 475 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:51.640 more real than what we was doing over the last five 476 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:52.359 and ten years. 477 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.599 Do you have any ideas to make it, you know, consumable, 478 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:00.920 because ultimately I understand your point about other leagues and 479 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.720 dealing with their All Star stuff, and but the Pro 480 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:06.759 Bowl was never good, Like the Pro Bowl was never good, 481 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:09.799 And the NBA All Star Game for like thirty years 482 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:11.839 was the best pick up all you know, pick up 483 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.480 basketball game that you could find in the world because 484 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:17.160 the best players showed up and played high level basketball. 485 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:20.960 So whenever ask anyone asks me like, what's your preferred format, 486 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.640 my preferred format is the All Star Game with players 487 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:27.680 who give a rip. That's my preferred format. But I 488 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.680 don't think that we're ever getting back there. Is there 489 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.160 a format idea, whatever it is that you've heard that 490 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.680 you think makes this thing redeemable or is it just 491 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.880 time to eat our crow and understand that this is 492 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:41.799 not anything that's ever going to be exciting ever. 493 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:47.240 Again, I haven't heard of one that I think makes 494 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.039 a real difference, you know, like if you they've done 495 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:54.759 so many they've tried so many things, right, Like the 496 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:57.519 one that gets me is that they you know, literally 497 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:01.119 said gave you know, I think it was five hundred 498 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:03.720 thousand dollars to the winner of the game to charity. 499 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.119 And in fact, they in Cleveland, they brought kids who 500 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.599 were food insecure, who were actually needed food from the 501 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:13.400 food bank, sat them in they you know, lower bowl, 502 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.400 very obvious section, a group of what twenty thirty kids, 503 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:18.599 I don't know what the actual number was, and said 504 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:21.839 we will give the food bank five hundred thousand dollars 505 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:25.920 if you win this game. And the game still sucks, Like, 506 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:30.839 I don't know what you do with that level of player, 507 00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:35.039 you know, disassociation from it being a quality product, and 508 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:38.599 like I you know, yeah, you can kind of play 509 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:41.200 around the edges with the elm ending and you and 510 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:44.359 the tournament and you know, make it look worse so 511 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.720 that hey, and some of these games are playing rising 512 00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:50.319 stars players and maybe they're trying to establish their name 513 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:52.799 and so play a little bit harder. But like in 514 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:56.559 the end, the rising stars didn't play that hard either, right, Like, 515 00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.160 it's not like they were really defending. They just want 516 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.000 to be cool. And when you have the incentives that 517 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.839 the NBA currently does, where most of the All Stars 518 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.519 are making between thirty and sixty million dollars a year, 519 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:10.640 you know, paying them eat a million dollars if they 520 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.039 win also doesn't really cut it, you know. I think 521 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:15.359 we've seen that with some with the play in tournament and. 522 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:18.359 You know, home court. 523 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:20.640 Advantage in the NBA finals. Let's say, I don't think 524 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:24.319 really cuts it, because we see teams tank out of 525 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.559 those positions you after year or just not you know, 526 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.319 maybe not tank but load manage out of those positions 527 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:32.720 you after year because they think, hey, being the third 528 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:34.680 seed or the fourth seed in the playoffs is fine 529 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.480 compared to being the first seed. It just doesn't matter 530 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:39.720 that much who hosts that game Southern at the end 531 00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:44.200 of the series. So I'm fresh out of ideas. I 532 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.200 haven't heard anything that's that interesting to me. And ultimately, 533 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:50.599 I think that just like the incentives of the league 534 00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:53.640 that the league is too big right now for these 535 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.279 guys to care about this because they are are already 536 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.559 stars and just don't have that much to gain from 537 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.039 trying really hard in the All Star Game. 538 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:05.720 So, p K Suban, you know the Four Nations Finals tonight, 539 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:07.480 Canada taking on the US. 540 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:08.559 It's on our station. 541 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:12.039 After the Craigsmith Coaches Show, he went on a couple 542 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.319 of different platforms today. On ESPN, he was doing the 543 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:19.079 rounds and he just eviscerated NBA players and he utilized 544 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.960 his platform as an opportunity to express to consumers. If 545 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.799 you are interested in watching a sport, if you are 546 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:30.039 interested in watching a game where the league employs people 547 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.279 that actually care about their craft, and I'm paraphrasing, of course, 548 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:34.759 you should watch hockey. 549 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:37.599 Because hockey players play through injuries. 550 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:42.079 They play for the flag tonight and for their club 551 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:46.119 as opposed to simply individual glory. And it's pretty unanimous, 552 00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:48.240 man Like, it's pretty much across the board, whether you're 553 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:50.720 talking about Connor McDavid or or you know one of 554 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.160 the local guys here, Dylan gun Through. It is a 555 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.200 different brand of athlete, it's a different brand of care. 556 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.559 Do you think that's something that people in the NBA 557 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.279 could maybe learn a thing or two from as far 558 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.079 as the commitments to their craft that hockey players have, 559 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.000 or is this just a cultural societal thing that it 560 00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.240 is what it is, and if you're covering pro basketball, 561 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.480 you just have to deal with what this thing has become, 562 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.160 which is a product oftentimes played by players that don't 563 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.640 seem to give that much of a rip. 564 00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.319 I mean, I think it's a mix of balls. And 565 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.839 I think like the NBA players not caring generally is 566 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.960 kind of overstated. Like Kevin Durant, did you watch that 567 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:31.039 Court of Gold documentary? 568 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:32.440 I did. It was awesome, It was awesome. 569 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.680 Yeah, Kevin Durant cried about the idea of playing in 570 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:39.200 the Olympics, right, like and that in that documentary and 571 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.839 it clearly meant a ton to him, right And Like 572 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.160 KD is not someone who I think is like an 573 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.240 outlier in terms of caring about the game. Like I 574 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.240 thought it was really clear that the Olympics really mattered 575 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.960 to those players and to a huge degree. And so 576 00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.920 I think, like the Four Nations tournament being at the 577 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.640 sets in the NHL level is reflective of kind of 578 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:05.480 those same things that we we did actually see from 579 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.759 NBA players in the Olympics, right, And I think we 580 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.000 could see in kind of a tournament similar to four 581 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:16.039 nations in the NBA. I also think that you're right that, 582 00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:22.680 like clearly there's a pride in playing through injury that 583 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.960 hockey players have that NBA players don't. I would also 584 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.960 say that, like frankly, that happens more on the team side, 585 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.039 and I put more blame on the team putting out 586 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.720 the injury report than the players. I mean, look, I've 587 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.839 been in these jazz locker rooms or on you know, 588 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.160 jazz shoot arounds whatever all year long and watches kind 589 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.920 of the training staff and these team representatives come up 590 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.480 to players and essentially say, hey, you know, how serious 591 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.759 is this injury? Hey, maybe we should take this one, 592 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.599 you know, be cautious about this. Maybe you should sit 593 00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.880 these next couple of games out Like while the players 594 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.200 have those conversations and are not happy about them, right, 595 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.400 Like would prefer to be playing those games. I mean, 596 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.920 like John Collins is sitting you know, had that in 597 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.880 the last few weeks with a fake injury, would rather 598 00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.799 be playing out there. Larie Markinen would rather be playing. 599 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:17.759 Uh. 600 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.359 And it's just the team that is preventing them from 601 00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:23.319 doing so. And I think that to me is like, Okay, 602 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.400 you need to change the incentives of the sport a 603 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.640 little bit. Where in hockey, you know, for whatever reason, 604 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.640 those seven game series are not foregone conclusions, even when 605 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.359 it's a one seed versus the seed. I mean, we've 606 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.720 seen eight seeds make tremendous runs for the NHL playoffs 607 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.160 in a way that we just have not seen NBA playout. 608 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:44.160 The NBA eight seeds make those runs generally, you know, 609 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.039 with a couple of exceptions. It feels like upsets are 610 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.039 much more common in the NHL, and it you know, again, 611 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.359 those games seems to individually matter. But like I do 612 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.640 think that, I mean maybe overstate of maybe Pkseubun overstates 613 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:02.759 a little bit, like the player side of everything that's 614 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:04.720 not the All Star Game. I will absolutely blame the 615 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.799 All Star Game on the players. I don't necessarily blame 616 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:10.519 a whole lot of what we see in the NBA 617 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:13.559 on the players exclusively because I know how much the 618 00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.319 teams are involved in not getting the best product every night. 619 00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:20.960 Yeah, I think PK was probably utilizing the moment to 620 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.720 make a larger point to get more people to tune 621 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.799 into hockey, and a lot of it was performative, but 622 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:27.400 I think a lot of points that were made are 623 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.559 very fair And yeah, and you're not wrong ultimately to 624 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.200 bring in the dynamic of not just teams but the league. 625 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.240 And I always bring up agents behind the scenes wanting 626 00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.000 their clients to get to that second, third, fourth, sometimes 627 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.160 fifth contract of your Chris Paul to make generational. Well, 628 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.240 I get the game, but has the league simply become 629 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.599 andy a Fortune five hundred company that is only caring 630 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.720 about creating value for their shareholders? Like it feels like 631 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.640 the league is run like a and it's always been 632 00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:58.400 a business. David Stern was a hardcore businessman, but David 633 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.960 actually got the media game and the consumer game a 634 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:06.079 little bit differently than this. You know, this office under 635 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.440 Adam Silver seems to get. Is it just now that 636 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.759 this league is simply about creating as much value for 637 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.400 their shareholders as possible and it's just being run like 638 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:15.200 a tech company. 639 00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.839 Frankly, yes, I'd agree with with all of that. And 640 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.559 I think the kind of too big to fail idea 641 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:24.720 does apply to the NBA a little bit right now, 642 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.920 where you know, the the despite the TV ratings being 643 00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.799 what they are, you know, kind of mid whatever. The 644 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.759 TV deal is tripling over the in the next contract, 645 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.720 right like, they are assured so much money and so 646 00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.319 much revenue at the team level and at the player 647 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.759 level that you know, frankly, teams back in the eighties, 648 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.000 right like the Jazz were a million dollars away from 649 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.839 going bankrupt at any given time, right like, and now 650 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:54.200 they are incredibly flush with cash. And and even if 651 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.559 a team tank, even if a team tanks, or even 652 00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.839 if the Jazz didn't sell sell out the Delta Center 653 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:03.319 that's going to be signed for them, it doesn't make 654 00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.720 a big deal, you know, they they will still make 655 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.519 a profit and the value of the franchise will continue 656 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.480 to go up because the league has been so successful 657 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:16.079 in running it well as a business, in ensuring that 658 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:21.119 every team throughout the league makes a profit. And you know, 659 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.759 that good business sense. And I'm sure the thirty owners 660 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:28.240 appreciate Adam Silver for you know, making moves in that direction. 661 00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:30.839 But it does just remove a lot of the stakes 662 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.079 of the competition, especially from the team side. And so yeah, 663 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:35.680 as a result, I think you do see all of 664 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:40.519 these things that you know, the tanking and load management 665 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.640 and all these kind of anti consumer kind of results 666 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:50.000 of that, consequences of that that weren't there in the 667 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.599 eighties and nineties because profit was, you know, the kind 668 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.519 of way more aligned with the product out there on 669 00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:57.920 the floor. 670 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.319 I can't tell you how many buddies are I have 671 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:03.960 that are lifelong NBA fans that are just like disenfranchised 672 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:04.599 with the whole thing. 673 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:05.839 It's just I don't know. 674 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.079 But to your point, you know, they'll email you their 675 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.000 P and L statement with their middle finger and say, 676 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:10.799 what's our problem? 677 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:12.519 Like, We're doing fine, and I get it. 678 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.079 One more question in this space and then we'll do 679 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.480 a little jazz before I say you lose. What's your 680 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:21.440 opinion on? And I'm not a Lebron hater. I've sounded 681 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.839 like it this week, but I'm not. I mean, I 682 00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.039 don't know that we have an example of another athlete 683 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.680 that was anointed at the age of like sixteen or seventeen, 684 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.720 who lived up to every expectation and superseded most of them. 685 00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.920 The story of Lebron James is phenomenal and always will be. 686 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.160 But you know, I'm watching. 687 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.880 The intros and they I think it was on Shacksog 688 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.400 team and they introduced every player, and then they go 689 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.319 to Lebron and he's in street clothes and we all 690 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.640 find out like he's not playing. Now, there are a 691 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.759 lot of ideas we're having. Amina El Hassen on coming 692 00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.400 up in the four o'clock hour his podcast with Tom 693 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:03.160 Haberstrow Basketball Luminati. Their theory is he was silently protesting 694 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.359 the young players playing on Sunday. I do not have 695 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.880 my tinfoil hat on like that. But my issue with it, 696 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.960 Andy is this, And I've never loved clauses and contracts 697 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.239 that award All Star appearances or give you a bonus 698 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.760 if you win a postseason award, because the process at 699 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:23.400 times is arbitrary and it messes with people's money. All 700 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:25.679 Lebron had to do was let somebody know he wasn't 701 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.639 gonna play. They could have named his replacement, and that 702 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.760 player could have had a clause exercise in his contract 703 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.639 where he makes a couple hundred grand like if I'm 704 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.719 a player that had the opportunity to potentially step in 705 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.159 as a replacement. And Lebron pulled that act that was 706 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.119 continued by always Questionable for the hornest game. No, he's 707 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.960 not like he was playing like obviously, So I had 708 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.440 a real issue with the way he approached what he 709 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.480 did over the weekend. 710 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.639 What are your thoughts, I'm worth dealing. 711 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.519 I feel like you kind of covered it. Lebron absolutely 712 00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.920 should have said that he was if he didn't want 713 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.199 to play or didn't feel, you know, like that he 714 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.320 was going to play, should have said something earlier. So 715 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.960 demonts the bonus could have been in that game, and 716 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.519 frankly honestly did it with Anthony Edwards, who also did 717 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.599 not play for an injury. If we're you know, we 718 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.679 should be fired of both of those guys that if 719 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.519 we criticized one and criticize the other. I if they 720 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.239 if they didn't want to play, if they felt that 721 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.440 their participation was at risk, they should have told the 722 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.480 league earlier. And again, a deserving All Star would have 723 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:28.800 got gotten to play in the game. 724 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:31.199 I yeah, have. 725 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.000 A I have a significant problem with that. 726 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:33.639 I don't. 727 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.599 Yeah, it doesn't mean I'm a Lebron at or it 728 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:39.239 doesn't mean I'm an Anthony Edward. Peter. Uh, It's just it's. 729 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:40.719 Just, you know, not cool. 730 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:43.840 I did not mean to take the good points with 731 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.119 that was embedded into my question, Andy, I just know 732 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.679 you're a smart guy and you could bounce off of it. 733 00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.400 But yeah, I mean, like it's just a bad look. Uh. 734 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.400 Is there anything and this is me reaching for a topic. 735 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.239 Is there anything Keanta can take away from that weekend? 736 00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.039 I mean, I suppose if you're going to be around 737 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:00.960 your peers and they're the players in the world, that 738 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.199 has to be a good thing, right. 739 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.519 Yeah, probably, I mean probably. I'm interested in talking about this. 740 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.960 So the jazz practice at three o'clock, so really quite 741 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.199 soon here, and then once they're done with practice, we'll 742 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:15.880 go over and talk to both Kiante and I think 743 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:18.719 we're talking to Lowry market In as well after practice, 744 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.440 and I will ask him that question because I'm curious too. Yeah, 745 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.320 what he took away from it? I kind of wonder 746 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.480 if like playing as reasonably well as he did in 747 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.599 the Rising Stars and even on Sunday like may give 748 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:34.559 him kind of a boost of confidence. But yeah, well 749 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.800 I'm curious to see what he says. I don't guess. 750 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:39.239 I guess I don't want to put words into his 751 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.239 mouth in and I am just going to ask him 752 00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.000 about it in an hour and a half. 753 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.440 Fair enough, all right, do you want to give me 754 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.000 a hot Jaden Springer take. I guess Jazz fansher at 755 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:50.840 least get to know the new player on the roster. 756 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.199 I mean, he's a ten ten day guys who's going 757 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.559 to be on the game and the on the team 758 00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:58.639 for the next five games. 759 00:36:58.679 --> 00:36:59.199 I believe it is. 760 00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:03.079 And then but yeah, I mean kind of has struggled 761 00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:07.360 to find a consistent role in Boston and Philadelphia can 762 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:11.800 defend a little bit. We'll see kind of. Yeah, if 763 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.000 if he gets playing time over the likes of Johnny Jusing, etcetera. 764 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.679 I you know, if everyone's healthy, I'm I'm curious which 765 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:21.159 way will Hardy will go with that? But yeah, you 766 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:22.880 know he's the fifteenth man on the roster. 767 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.159 All right, before I say you lose make the final 768 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.480 what twenty eight games? I believe it is the final 769 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:29.840 twenty eight games for the Jazz. Make it interesting. 770 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:36.119 Yeah, I mean, look, it's the same thing as we've 771 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.239 done all year, right, Like it's whether or not the 772 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.360 young guys are building blosstore if they if you feel 773 00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:45.519 comfortable kind of jettising them for a shot another player 774 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.800 like the Jazz did with out tragic Boji last year. Right, 775 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.679 So you know it is there something there with Bryce 776 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.800 Sensaba or is there not? Is there something there with 777 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:59.440 Cody Williams? Can he show, frankly anything, how you know, 778 00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.639 can I say improved, continue to improve his shooting percentages? 779 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:07.480 Can you know, Keyante George figure out kind of be 780 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.039 how to be an impact player when his shot isn't 781 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.679 going in. I think there are opportunities for them to 782 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.639 show those things. And you know, it's it's this is 783 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.039 the most boring cliche in the world, but it is 784 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.280 about stacking days. It is about like playing well in 785 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.159 not just one game out of you know, ten, but 786 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.000 one game out of two, and then kind of working 787 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:33.400 to improve consistency. So like, I'm watching that stuff and 788 00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.280 we'll be reporting on that in my in my articles. 789 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:36.440 A up team. 790 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.599 We got a stacking days drop for Andy Larson. My 791 00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:41.639 man was down in provo listening to Kevin Young. 792 00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:42.000 Weren't you? 793 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.880 I was, Do you see Kevin recognize me in that 794 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.679 press conference? I thought that was kind of funny. 795 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.320 I did not see that, but I'm happy for you 796 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.199 that our guy Kevin Young recognized you. 797 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:53.679 Did you have You've been. 798 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:55.639 Watching too many NBA games with a question like that. 799 00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.480 I was like, Yeah, maybe I'm out of my depth. 800 00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:57.719 Peer. 801 00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.559 Well, I don't know if you know this, but Kevin 802 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.280 spent some time in the NBA. If you didn't know that, 803 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:02.679 all you gotta do is ask him. 804 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.679 Yeah, and everyone else around the program too. 805 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.280 But hey, look, I actually. 806 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:09.639 That was fun. 807 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:11.599 Oh dude, it was amazing. 808 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.679 And uh just yeah, the degree to which b way 809 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:17.920 you tore apart canvas. You know. I was coming in 810 00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.119 expecting a good game, but not a eviserration like that. 811 00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:22.400 Yeah, no doubt. 812 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.639 Ken Palms Live and Studio coming up next, Andy, So 813 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.360 we're gonna let you go enjoy the weekend. 814 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.199 Will chat soon. Thanks buddy, and you. 815 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.239 Lars covers the Utah Jazz for The Solid Tribune writes 816 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:35.320 a data column really interesting piece up that Andy did 817 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.840 on Daylight Savings, smart kid man whatever, Andy right, writes, 818 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:40.639 I like to read because he's kind of a north 819 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:41.199 star for us. 820 00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:42.719 So I appreciate Andy time today. 821 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.760 We'll be there for a second stop, but I have 822 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.480 to learn when it's this whole era and genre of 823 00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:51.199 the punk pop, we can't sing, so we're just gonna 824 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.960 yell a lot of aggressive pauses there, So I had. 825 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:56.519 To wait let him breathe a little bit. This is 826 00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:58.400 a good one for that, that question I have for 827 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.639 you the other day. I think two fives aged well, 828 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:03.480 they're still they're still pretty good. 829 00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:04.719 But it's definitely one of those. 830 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:08.039 Bands that I listened to a lot, maybe early two 831 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.159 thousands that don't doesn't get much run anymore. 832 00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:12.880 Yeah, Food Fighters is aged well. 833 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.800 I saw them in concert here last year Ken Pomeroy's 834 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:16.599 live in studio. 835 00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:19.679 Do you mind if I ask you al you are? Yeah, yeah, 836 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:20.599 fifty two. 837 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.119 Okay, so you're a little bit older than I am, 838 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.400 but you remember obviously the nineties. That's like the deal 839 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.639 we grew up. We're both Jet xers. Porter asked me 840 00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.159 this week. I thought it was a good question. How 841 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.519 has the music that you liked in the nineties aged? 842 00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.639 And I think it's fair depending on the artists. I mean, 843 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.599 any do you still listen to the music now, Ken, 844 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:40.599 that you did in the nineties. 845 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.000 I do, sadly, I do, you know. I tried to 846 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:44.760 stay up with the times and in a number of 847 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.440 different ways, but music has not been one of them. 848 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.800 Big Food Fighters guy, by the way, for sure, Like, yeah, 849 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:52.440 it's I think it's aged pretty well. 850 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.679 But then they released some newer stuff right kind of. Yeah, 851 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.000 they did not too long ago. Yeah, I wasn't a 852 00:40:59.039 --> 00:40:59.599 big pan of that. 853 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:01.280 No, when I was at the show, I was just 854 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.159 waiting for them to get to you know, the stuff 855 00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:05.119 they did in the nineties and then you know, right 856 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.039 when the decade turned, they had a couple of good 857 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.559 albums as well. Nobody listens to us for our music 858 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.639 takes Ken, So I appreciate your time, Ken Pomroy live 859 00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.679 in studio. As my nephew once asked me, Uncle Spence, 860 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.079 what is a Ken palm? Well, a Ken palm is 861 00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.199 the man sitting across from me. So if you're watching 862 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.519 Sports Center, if you're watching college basketball shows and they 863 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:26.480 say team is thirty first in the Ken palm, which 864 00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.880 BYU is right now, it's the work of our guy, 865 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:32.519 Ken Pomeroy. So let's start with what was just a 866 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:38.119 stunning game. As Brigham Young dog walked Kansas, I mean, 867 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.239 I'm texting with my brothers who went to Byu. I'm like, Dad, 868 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:43.480 they might beat him by forty. I was as unimpressed 869 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.320 with Kansas Ken as I was impressed with Byu. Let's 870 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.199 start with that game. I mean, I don't know, surprise, like, 871 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.079 what were your takeaways. You were down there at the game. 872 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.360 Yeah, I mean, I'm more fascinated by the Kansas situation 873 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.039 than the BYU situation. Out of that game, it was, yeah, 874 00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.480 as you said, pretty stun just the way they lost. Obviously, 875 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:03.679 Kansas was coming off the loss to Utah, which was 876 00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.199 not necessarily stunning, but certainly surprising, and just. 877 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:11.039 Had no juice at BYU. 878 00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:12.960 You know, we talked about this off the air, but 879 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.480 you know Bill salv right now, he's running a line 880 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.440 about there that has a four and a five that 881 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.679 basically don't shoot. So the space thing's a little bit 882 00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.079 of a problem. And in that game, he decided to 883 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.760 start up the four and the five and then also 884 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:26.719 his back up four, so he had three guys in 885 00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:27.920 the starting line they couldn't shoot. 886 00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:32.639 He just leaned into this, you know, nineteen eighties style. 887 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.039 Basketball, and they got off to a terrible start and 888 00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.239 it just got got worse from there. 889 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.000 So and it's funny, you say, the Kansas side of 890 00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.280 this is a little bit more interesting topically because the 891 00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.079 day after the game, I listened to three different college 892 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:48.119 football podcasts. 893 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.320 Gary Parrish has one up. Gary's the front of the show. 894 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.599 So I listened to him, and all of them started 895 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.000 with what the hell is going on with Kansas? As 896 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.960 opposed to giving BYU their flowers? So I'll ask you 897 00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:59.960 what the hell is going on with Kansas? Bill Sell 898 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.199 Well of twenty two years. His first twenty years, he 899 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.159 never lost six league games, eight league losses. Last year 900 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.480 already at seven. Zeke Mayo, AJ Storr, Ryland Griffin. Their 901 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.719 three transfers, Zeke has played well, the other two haven't 902 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.280 been great. What what's going on? 903 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:14.559 Like? 904 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:16.840 This does not look like the bluest of blue bloods 905 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:19.360 in the Big twelve, which by definition they very much are. 906 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.800 Right, Yeah, well, yeah, you kind of nailed it there. 907 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:26.280 He's missed on some transfers, didn't have a great, you know, 908 00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:30.360 freshman class coming in, relying on some extent to Hunter Dickinson, 909 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:33.000 their you know, fifty year center, who is you know, 910 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.760 he's a fine player, but again more of not necessarily 911 00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.639 a most dynamic center out there. And so that's all 912 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.679 kind of led to this situation where, you know, their 913 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.800 offense really struggles. They don't shoot a lot of threes, 914 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.840 but on top of that, they don't get to the 915 00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:52.159 free throw line at all, which is a pretty awful combination. 916 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.159 Like usually teams that you know rely on a couple 917 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:55.920 of post players are going to get some free throws. 918 00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:58.400 I didn't see what the final total was the other night. 919 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.719 I think kas had like maybe five free throw at times. 920 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:03.440 They might have got some more in garbage time, but 921 00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:06.320 it was pretty it was pretty ugly. And so if 922 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.360 you're just scoring two at a time, you have to 923 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.599 be really good at that. And yeah, they were two 924 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:11.719 for five from the freedom. 925 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.920 Line, so I didn't realize that that's wild. 926 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.079 Yeah, so it's just a it's an awful combination. And 927 00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.000 their defense is still pretty good. It was not good 928 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.039 against BYU. It was that was there by far their 929 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.079 worst defensive game of the year. Their defense, though generally 930 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.079 has been pretty solid. They lead the Big twelve and 931 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.480 two point percentage defense, which is a great sign for 932 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:31.039 your defense. But offensively they just are are you know, 933 00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.039 not good enough to reliably hang with the best teams 934 00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:35.639 in the league. 935 00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.679 So I did not know that their defense normally is 936 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:43.400 good because against BYU it was atrocious. I mean, look, 937 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:48.239 if Trevinell couldn't shoot it, he'd be blogging for Kassel 938 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:51.559 about BYU basketball. He's like twenty seven, and it's the 939 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:52.960 one thing he does, and he does it very well. 940 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.760 He scored a thousand points, he's now in their top 941 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:56.239 five and three point field goals made. 942 00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.519 And my man was wide open. 943 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.840 And I think even the look on his face, I 944 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.039 didn't know if Kansas was going to his own because 945 00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:07.599 Trevin would just run to the corner and you kind 946 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:11.039 of look around. He's like, I'm wide open. Just throw 947 00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.280 it to me and I'll shoot it. So they didn't 948 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.400 check the player in Trevinell where the one sentence on 949 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.199 the scattering report is make him put it on the 950 00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.639 deck because he can only shoot it. I thought Richie 951 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.079 made some tough shots. But how much of that blowout 952 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:26.599 was BYU executing what Kevin wants them to run? How 953 00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.639 much of it was Kansas simply ignoring really good shooters? 954 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.960 Right, Yeah, you know, you played really well. I don't 955 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:33.679 want to downplay that. 956 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.519 You know, you don't beat a Kansas team by thirty, 957 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.559 you know, when you're just playing average ball. But there 958 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:42.880 were certainly some major breakdowns by Kansas defensively, And I 959 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:44.559 mean by you put that kind of pressure on a defense, 960 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:45.880 you know, they do have that great space and they 961 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:48.079 do have shooters in the corners. You know, most of 962 00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:52.000 the time they're gonna have you know, four or five 963 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.239 shooters on the floor, so they just you know, and 964 00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:57.840 they have great size as well, so you know, there's 965 00:45:57.880 --> 00:45:59.679 a lot going in BYU's favor, and they do put 966 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.400 pressure on a defense, and there were just a number 967 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:03.920 of breakdowns guarding you know, pick and roll by Kansas 968 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.440 that led to those open threes. But again, to be all, 969 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.239 you deserve that credit. They were able to put that 970 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:11.360 kind of pressure on a defense and the defense is 971 00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.159 not up to it, and they can make them look 972 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.119 pretty bad. And I do want to point out, you know, 973 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.119 this little factoid. So BYU made sixty two thirds of 974 00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.079 its two point attempts twenty for thirty and that's the 975 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.719 best two point percentage against a Kansas defense in a 976 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.559 conference game in the Bell Self era going back at 977 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:28.239 least twenty five. 978 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.239 Years as far as I have data going back. 979 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.000 So you know, it was it was really I don't 980 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:36.039 think people realize, but you know, really a historic performance 981 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:37.800 going against the Kansas defense. 982 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.440 Yeah, it's the it's tied for the worst loss that 983 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.639 Bill's had at Kansas in twenty two years. It was 984 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.480 the worst loss that a preseason AP one team has 985 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.719 ever suffered ever in history of college basketball. So what 986 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.199 now are you willing to say about Brigham Young now 987 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.199 after they've gone let's see seven and two in their 988 00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.800 last nine, three straight wins, including both wins over the 989 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.599 Kansas teams, Case State and Kansas. They're going to be 990 00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:06.079 at McHale coming up in a couple of days at Arizona. 991 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:07.880 They've got five games left. 992 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.480 There's a chance they win twelve league games, which would 993 00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:13.360 be really really good year one Kevin Young. So it 994 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:15.239 feels like they're high speed out of the tournament, and 995 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.599 it feels like maybe they could be a bit of 996 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.280 a problem because when they are knocking down shots, Ken, 997 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:21.039 they are tough. 998 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:21.960 That's a good team. 999 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:23.800 What are you willing to say about what you think 1000 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:26.679 BYU's chances are to make spring fun? 1001 00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:28.960 I guess is how we'll ask it? Right? Yeah? 1002 00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.760 I mean it feels like a theme that we've encountered 1003 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.960 before with BYU, even going back to last year. 1004 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.679 Yes, yeah, rightah absolutely, but even. 1005 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:40.199 You know they've had seasons before that where you know 1006 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.559 this is when by US at its best Historically, It's 1007 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.360 like they play this style, right, they played this kind 1008 00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:46.599 of way under Mark Pope, where they you know, take 1009 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.320 a lot of threes, and when they had shooters and 1010 00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.280 had that spacing, the offense looked great and it looked 1011 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:53.760 like it should do some damage in the tournament, and 1012 00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.280 yet the results were never there. So, you know, I 1013 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:00.960 do think there's a chance for something good to happen. 1014 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:02.519 You know, there's a chance they can get to the 1015 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.320 sweet sixteen something like that. Like you know, but NC 1016 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.159 State went to the Final four last year, So there's 1017 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.760 almost anybody can can do this, right if they get 1018 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:11.639 if they get hot by you certainly in that mix. 1019 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.599 I am curious to see what happens against Arizona. You know. 1020 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.039 I have a pet theory that when you have a 1021 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:20.199 game like by you just had where it comes a 1022 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:23.039 little easy, like clearly like BYU is not thirty points 1023 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.159 better than Kansas, you know, on a consistent basis, otherwise 1024 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.199 they be the best team in college basketball, right, Like, 1025 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:28.280 I just. 1026 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.320 Wonder how a team comes back from that. 1027 00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:32.960 Do they really believe they're that good or did they 1028 00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:35.119 understand that Hey, we you know, we face a team 1029 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:39.199 that was a little bit beaten up and mentally down, 1030 00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.760 and you know, we're gonna have to play at a 1031 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:44.760 very high level to hang with Arizona. It's gonna be 1032 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:46.000 if they if they can do that, I mean, they 1033 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:47.840 don't have to even beat Arizona to impress me, but 1034 00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.599 just make a game of it. Because Arizona's playing very well, 1035 00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.039 you know, probably the second best team in the league 1036 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.239 right now, and you know it'll be you know, if 1037 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:57.079 by you can hang with them, I'll be impressed. 1038 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.280 One of the wildest things that's happened would be you 1039 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.000 first couple of years in the Big Twelve, they're two 1040 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:04.480 and l against Kansas and basketball, and they're zero to 1041 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.199 two against Kansas and football, which is so wild more 1042 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:11.000 impressive feat dog walking Kansas on your home floor and 1043 00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.280 nearly beating in by forty are going to fog last 1044 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.280 year and getting to win, Yeah. 1045 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:16.960 It's going on the road and getting a win. 1046 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.320 The one thing that the Big Twelve has is great 1047 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.960 home environments, and we've seen that really with the local 1048 00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.559 teams right like bui Use lost twice at home. You 1049 00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.599 thought was lost twice at home, so there's only been 1050 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.639 four losses at home and Texas stuck actually has two 1051 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.599 of those. So that's one thing that the league has 1052 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.199 whether it's you know, Kansas or or Iowa State or 1053 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.480 now Arizona, Kansas State. I mean, there's a number of 1054 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.320 places where it's it's very hard to win. And I 1055 00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.480 actually have a a model. You're not surprised probably this. 1056 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.039 Probably I made a model to estimate home court advantage 1057 00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:51.920 at every location. And and the Big Twelve owns the 1058 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:57.320 top four road environments in the country, so and collectively 1059 00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:59.599 the Big Twelve has the toughest the toughest home home court. 1060 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.639 So so that's you know, just gives you an idea 1061 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.679 like picking up a road wind, you know, especially at 1062 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.800 Allen Field House, but you know, against. 1063 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.039 Any good team in this league is extremely impressive. 1064 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:12.840 For somebody that uses his calculator to pay rent. Can 1065 00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.039 you explain to me how one approaches building a model 1066 00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.440 for home court because I'm I'm picturing you like Mark 1067 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:23.599 Zuckerberg in his dorm room writing algorithms on his window. 1068 00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:25.360 I don't know if that's accurate, But how does one 1069 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.599 go about the process of building a model to explain 1070 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.480 home court advantage in college basketball? 1071 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:32.679 Yeah, so it's just a matter of going back in 1072 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.119 history and kind of figuring out what stats matter to 1073 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:40.599 predict like future home court advantage, which it's it's fairly 1074 00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:42.440 like simple to identify those things. Like the main thing 1075 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.519 is points, you know, like if your scoring margin at 1076 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:46.039 home is better than your scoring marginal on the road, 1077 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:48.400 it's probably indicative that you have a good home court advantage. 1078 00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:52.320 But there's other things like foul calls, block shots, some 1079 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.960 things that like denote aggressiveness or denote officiating bias that 1080 00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.320 that also play into home court advantage. And so all 1081 00:50:58.320 --> 00:50:59.719 those factors go into it, and we look at like 1082 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.280 the last three or four years of that and get 1083 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.559 a number, and it's pretty good in identifying how good 1084 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:05.920 home court advantage is going forward. 1085 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:08.360 How does the marriage Center stack up with your model? 1086 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.400 It seems like it's becoming it. Look it was always well, 1087 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.800 not always, but more often than not, the Marriage Center, 1088 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.760 because BYU has had a lot of really good teams, 1089 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:19.280 has been pretty loud. It feels like over the past, 1090 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:21.840 I don't know, maybe it was the Fordet thing, something 1091 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.960 sparked the basketball community down there. The game ops they 1092 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:27.679 do a really good job. So how does the marriage 1093 00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:29.360 center score with your model? As far as the home 1094 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:33.320 court advantage? It is number thirteen, number thirteen in the country. 1095 00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:36.159 Well it's good. Yeah, it's really good. You'd be surprised 1096 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.199 to note though, that you thought comes at number five. 1097 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.679 So wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait 1098 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:41.840 wait wait wait does that. 1099 00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:43.599 Just credit the model at all? Wait wait wait? 1100 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.280 The University of Utah, who play their basketball at the 1101 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.679 Huntsman Center, have the fifth best home court advantage in 1102 00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:50.199 the country. 1103 00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.840 Yes, so so a. 1104 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:56.239 Lot of I neglected to mention another important factor in 1105 00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:00.760 home court advantage. That is altitude, which obviously have around here. 1106 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.480 But but yeah, that's the way, that's the way it 1107 00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:08.559 checks out. It's obviously not entirely due to fan support, 1108 00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.480 you know, yeah, I'm not getting kind of sellouts up 1109 00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:11.960 there right now. 1110 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.559 But but it just. 1111 00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:16.599 Goes to show you that they might not truly have 1112 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:18.199 the fifth best home quarter of vantage spans. I'm not 1113 00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:19.840 going to like die on that hill, but they do 1114 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.079 have above average home quarter advantage. And as we've seen 1115 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:23.960 this yere in Big Twelve play like you know, it's 1116 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.400 not a vintage Utah team, and yet at home, you know, 1117 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.360 they're six and two in the Big Twelve, like they 1118 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.719 played all the games at home, they be you know, 1119 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:32.599 buying for a league title, right, what. 1120 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:36.920 About the spectrum Utah State, which which feels like, in 1121 00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.440 my estimation, potentially the best home court advantage in the state. 1122 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.519 But I do look, mine's anecdotal. 1123 00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:46.840 It's on feel, it's on the crowd, it's on the noise, right, 1124 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.679 I don't have any data to back up my take 1125 00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.679 that the spectrum is as tough a place to play 1126 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:53.079 as I feel like maybe anywhere. 1127 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.519 But what does your model say about Utah States on court? 1128 00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:59.519 It has them at number eight, So yeah, extremely respectable 1129 00:52:59.519 --> 00:52:59.880 as well. 1130 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.679 So according to the Ken Palm model, Utah has the 1131 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:06.079 best home court advantage Utah State two and BYU three, 1132 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:09.719 I mean they're essentially within the margin of ara of 1133 00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:10.119 the model. 1134 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.679 You know, they're essentially even, and they're all very good. 1135 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:17.039 Who's number one? Number one's West Virginia, Oh, Morgantown. Yeah, 1136 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:20.760 so you know, decent fans apart. Not an easy place 1137 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.239 to get to. That's the thing about home quar advantage too. 1138 00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:25.880 You know, like Kansas checks in at sixteen. I think 1139 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:27.480 people would say, like, oh, Kansas has the best home 1140 00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:29.960 court advantage, but they have a very good home court advantage, 1141 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:31.360 but they also a very good team, Like that's part 1142 00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:32.599 of the reason why it's tough to win there. Right, 1143 00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:35.159 They're usually very good, and so even if there were 1144 00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:36.440 no fans there, it'd be tough to win. 1145 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:41.239 So Utah also played Kansas. They also played Kansas State. 1146 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.760 The Kansas Jayhawks rolled into the state of Utah and 1147 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:48.119 played two games where they never let right, that's wild, right, 1148 00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.280 They didn't lead for a second against the Utes, and 1149 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.559 they didn't lead for Look, the BYU game was it 1150 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.239 was eight zero after ninety seconds and Bill self called 1151 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.280 the time out and Kansas never counter punched, right, And 1152 00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.480 the Utah game was a little bit more back and forth. 1153 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:03.000 But what are your latest thoughts on a couple of 1154 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:05.599 wins for the Utes against both teams from the state 1155 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.079 of Kansas, and you know, if they're able to get 1156 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.679 three their final five, Craig gets ten league wins year, 1157 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:12.480 you know, in year four for him, which I think 1158 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:14.480 would be a step in the right direction. I mean, look, 1159 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:20.840 I always hesitate to celebrate, you know, wins and achievements 1160 00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:24.119 that I think fall far below the expectation I have 1161 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:27.159 for our programs. I cover our programs in a way 1162 00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.840 that I believe that we should have NCAA tournament teams 1163 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:32.039 as much as possible. I think that should be the standard. 1164 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.280 And yes, I was spoiled going to school there in 1165 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:35.960 the nineties when that was the standard and they were 1166 00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:39.840 making runs. So I'm not saying that we should, you know, 1167 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.159 jump out of our seats for joy, but it has 1168 00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:43.599 been a little bit better as of late. 1169 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.199 Ken What are you saying, right, Yeah, for sure. I 1170 00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:47.960 mean I think that was always the thing with the 1171 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:50.159 youth that we always talked about, is that they're you know, 1172 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:54.280 they're obviously not higher end Big twelve team, but they 1173 00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:55.679 should be good enough to pick off some of these 1174 00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:57.440 teams at home. And it was a little disappointing, you know, 1175 00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.599 when Baylor came here and the game wasn't very close. 1176 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.639 But but since then they've they've you know, won four 1177 00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.599 in a row at home and obviously took care of 1178 00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.519 the Kansas teams, and I applaud I don't know if 1179 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.320 I applaud I admire Craig Smith for continuing to uh 1180 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.079 run the high wire act of leaves leaving a loss 1181 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.639 and lovering in the game late as he did against 1182 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.039 Kansas again in a tight game, just letting him out 1183 00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:21.280 there and knowing he's gonna get hacked and he he 1184 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:22.840 went one for nine I think from the free throw 1185 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.840 line and didn't matter. Still still pulled out the game. So, uh, 1186 00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:29.079 you know, tip of the cab for that. But uh yeah, 1187 00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:32.519 it's it's been I think refreshing obviously. You know, you 1188 00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:34.840 refregard that Craigsmith, and it is good that that they're having 1189 00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.239 some success. And uh, you know, the schedule isn't gonna 1190 00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:39.000 be easy down the stretch. Three of three of the 1191 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:41.719 five games are on the road, but as you said, 1192 00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.199 there's an opportunity to gain some respectability here heading into 1193 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:47.199 the Big Twelve tournament and uh, you know, hopefully establish 1194 00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:49.079 a situation where they can, uh you know, attract a 1195 00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:50.119 little more talent for next year. 1196 00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:53.039 Is the conference down to what you expected? 1197 00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:54.639 I mean, I think at the start of the year 1198 00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.840 you reference the SEC as one. The Big Twelve is too. 1199 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:00.480 It feels like the Big Twelve of this point might 1200 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:03.440 be three. Yeah, the Big Doves three in my ratings, 1201 00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:07.039 just behind the Big Ten. But you know it's close. 1202 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.679 And we know you discussed how the SEC just absolutely. 1203 00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:11.840 Tore through a non conference play and. 1204 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.480 Is establishing a different standard for how good a basketball 1205 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.039 conference can be. I think it's probably well, I don't know, 1206 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.199 but I think it could be a one year type 1207 00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:23.440 of blip for them where they should come back down 1208 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:25.960 to earth. In fact, I'm kind of rolling around some 1209 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:27.719 ideas in my head about how the SEC is maybe 1210 00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.159 even a little bit overrated based on the results this year. 1211 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.000 You know, you look historically at what the best conference 1212 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.000 does in the NCAA tournament year after year, and they 1213 00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:38.079 tend to disappoint, and the SEC could be could be 1214 00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:39.280 headed down that road as well. 1215 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:41.559 But yeah, the Big Dolve's third. 1216 00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.079 But it's like, you know, they've been number one, you know, 1217 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:46.679 number one or number two like the last twelve years 1218 00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:48.440 of my ratings, and mostly number one in that time. 1219 00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:50.159 So yeah, it's a little bit of a step down 1220 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.599 from that standpoint, but it's still an extremely strong lead. 1221 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.760 So I referenced by you, you know, feeling like they 1222 00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:57.920 are high speed out of the tournaments and they're gonna 1223 00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.320 be ranked in the top twenty five out imagine coming 1224 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.079 up next week. What about the postseason potential for the 1225 00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:08.239 UTES because barring some crazy run in the Big twelve tournament, 1226 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:10.719 you know, I don't know that the nc Double A 1227 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:13.400 tournament is gonna be on you know, on the table 1228 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.639 for Craig. But if they let's say, if they're able 1229 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:17.719 to go three and two down the stretch and they 1230 00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:20.719 win ten league games, is there anything they can do 1231 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:25.000 besides miraculously winning the Big twelve tournament to actually garner 1232 00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:28.199 consideration to make the NC Double A's isn't a large. 1233 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.039 Yeah, I think the only thing they can do is 1234 00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:33.960 win the rest of their games. Yeah, you know, that 1235 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:38.800 would that would probably be it. Yeah, They're gonna have 1236 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.320 to you know, prove themselves a little bit more on 1237 00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:45.800 the road, so you know, they like the Cougars have 1238 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.559 a road game against Arizona on the docket and then 1239 00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:52.559 obviously they got the return trip to Provo. If they 1240 00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:54.440 if they won their last five games, they would definitely 1241 00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:58.199 be in the conversation. The real issue is, like, you know, 1242 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.079 is this team actually good enough to do that? And 1243 00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:03.800 the way they played the date, even considering the you know, 1244 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:06.679 the last two wins, like they're not good enough to 1245 00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:06.880 do that. 1246 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:08.079 Now, maybe they play a lot better. 1247 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:11.079 You know, the stranger things have happened in college basketball, 1248 00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:14.920 although not many stranger things, but that would be the scenario. 1249 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:18.119 But they're just so far off the map right now 1250 00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:20.679 that yeah, they need to they I don't think they 1251 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:21.760 can afford any more losses. 1252 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.880 Utah State nearly beat San Jose State by a cool 1253 00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:26.280 half one hundred last night. 1254 00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:27.199 It was a bloodbath. 1255 00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.679 But they have lost to New Mexico twice now, so 1256 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.800 New Mexico has that lead over them in the conference. 1257 00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:35.840 It's a one game lead at this point. So before 1258 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:37.840 we catch a break, let's wrap up the local story 1259 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:41.199 lines with where you're at right now on the Aggies, 1260 00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:44.480 who are twenty three and four overall, and they're thirteen 1261 00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:46.559 and three in Mountain West Conference play, which is good 1262 00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:46.920 for second. 1263 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.320 So give me your thoughts on Utah State. I mean, yeah, 1264 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:51.440 still still love where the Aggies are at. You know, 1265 00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.079 they did had a really good performance down in Albuquerque. 1266 00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:57.559 You know, lost to New Mexico late, but. 1267 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.800 You know, really, I think leading most of that game 1268 00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:04.239 in the first thirty minutes and then you know, New 1269 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:05.760 Mexico just just finished them off. 1270 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.239 But that's not a bad loss at all. 1271 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:11.360 And you know, they got an interesting stretch coming up 1272 00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:13.760 now where they host San Diego State this weekend. You know, 1273 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.440 they beat the Astags down there, so to get a 1274 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:20.559 sweep of San Diego State, another team that's getting tournament consideration. 1275 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.199 That would be huge just to kind of cement their profile. 1276 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:25.760 I mean, they probably the Eggs probably need to win 1277 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:29.000 two of these last four games to feel pretty good 1278 00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:31.519 about getting into the tournament. Certainly winning three of the 1279 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:33.519 last four would do it. And so they had the 1280 00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:35.239 two home games with the Astags and air Force, and 1281 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:36.960 you know, air Force hasn't won a game in conference play, 1282 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:38.639 so they should win that, and then the road games 1283 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.599 against Poise State and CSU. So winning three of the 1284 00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:43.400 four is certainly possible the way they played, but even 1285 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.079 two out of four I think would be good enough. 1286 00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:47.719 And you know, again. 1287 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.599 Another scenario where the Mountain West typically underperforms in the tournament. 1288 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.199 So I don't know what the future would hold for 1289 00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:54.840 the Aggies in the tournament, but I do have their 1290 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:58.519 offense ranked at fourteenth, right, so we won't discuss their defense, 1291 00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:01.800 but the offense certainly good enough to win some games. 1292 01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:01.880 All right. 1293 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:04.599 Coming up on the other side, we'll kind of expand 1294 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.719 out of the state's footprint talk some big picture college hoops. 1295 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:11.199 We will get Ken's take on some of the prospects 1296 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.639 Jazz fans can watch down the stretch. To have a 1297 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.760 little bit of hope while the jazz continue to lose 1298 01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:18.719 for you know, maybe at some point to consider when 1299 01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:21.079 they could be good again. So Ken Palmeroys live in studio. 1300 01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:23.599 I mean Al Hassen rolls by in the four o'clock hour. 1301 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:25.440 We'll do a little sports court later on, but it's 1302 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:28.440 a busy Thursday drive, so keep it right here. AUDIESPN 1303 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:30.480 seven hundred ninety two ANDEFM proud to be part of 1304 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:34.079 Utazi ESPN Radio Network. All right, show roll along today. 1305 01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:36.760 My friend Melissa from Sound Sleep Medical joins us live 1306 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:37.239 in studio. 1307 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.360 Melissa, how are you doing great? 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Are you still doing 1353 01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:45.519 any golf stuff, Ken pump Uh, like physically playing golfer 1354 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:48.000 for a while, golf analyzing golf? 1355 01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:50.719 Right, Yeah, No, I haven't done that in a few years. 1356 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.079 Basketball has just consumed everything. But that was fun. It 1357 01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.519 was fun going back and analyzing, like shottling data and 1358 01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:56.039 stuff like that. 1359 01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:57.840 For these pros, that was a neat data set. 1360 01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:00.920 And you are a player to get out and swing 1361 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.079 a club from time to time. 1362 01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:04.639 I'm a player, Definitely, there you go. That's see. I 1363 01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:05.719 like the confidence Ken. 1364 01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:09.639 Right now, it's the Mexico Open at Vedanta World Round 1365 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:12.360 one is in progress. Don't know how many the heavy 1366 01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:14.639 hitters are in this tournament, but we'll give you a 1367 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:15.840 quick look at the leaderboard. 1368 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.920 Our guy Harry Hall. You know where Harry Hall is from. 1369 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:21.199 He's from Northern Ireland. 1370 01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:25.159 Wow, what, I've never even heard of him. Well done, 1371 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:28.559 seven under par. Jeremy Paul is seven hunder par as well. 1372 01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:31.840 I'm looking for notables. Not a lot of big dogs 1373 01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:32.599 in this tournament yet. 1374 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:32.960 Yeah. 1375 01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:35.960 Okay, well, well anyway, go head to you went to golf. 1376 01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:37.760 I think I'm gonna get a new putter, not gonna 1377 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:39.320 get new clubs. I think I'm getting a new putter. 1378 01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:42.119 Think I'm doing the tailor made spider, the Scottie Scheffler special. 1379 01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:44.440 It doesn't help. I'm just gonna worn you. I know, 1380 01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:46.880 but you tricked yourself anto thinking it helps? What do 1381 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:48.599 you swing? Kind of clubs to swing? What do you got? 1382 01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:52.039 I think I got some Mazuno's, Mizuno irons and Callaway 1383 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:53.800 driver that's. 1384 01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:54.079 In a bag. 1385 01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:56.760 Miszouno irons are solid. That's a good set of golf clubs. 1386 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:58.559 I'm excited for the snow to melt so i can 1387 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:02.840 get out and swing head down to Arnie's tournament in 1388 01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:05.119 Orlando coming up in a couple weeks, So excited for that. 1389 01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:07.119 Ken Palmeroy live in studio. 1390 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.440 Enough golf talk, let's get back to some college basketball talk. 1391 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:13.559 Actually, let's do a little let's do a. 1392 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.880 Little prospect watch for Jazz fans that are gonna watch 1393 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:19.159 the final twenty eight games of the Jazz and we 1394 01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:21.440 all know what time it is. It's no secret they're 1395 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.920 not even shy about it anymore. And so we're hoping 1396 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:26.800 that for the first time in Jazz history, we get 1397 01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:28.880 a little lottery luck. Ken, the Jazz have been in 1398 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.559 a lottery nine times that have never moved up. My 1399 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:35.519 whole thing is the good karma from facilitating trades. Jimmy 1400 01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:39.039 Butler's a warrior, Luka, Doncish is a Laker, and Xanik 1401 01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:41.280 in the front office, Danny, they helped it helped out. 1402 01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:43.559 So what that means is we should be rewarded with 1403 01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:45.840 good karma to get the number one overall pick. How 1404 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.119 big is the gap between Cooper Flag and whoever is 1405 01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:48.639 number two? 1406 01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:50.199 Uh? 1407 01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:53.519 I don't know exactly how to describe that. I mean 1408 01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.400 number two is Dylan Harper, who is very good as well. 1409 01:04:57.519 --> 01:04:59.239 There is a difference there. I mean, I think Cooper 1410 01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:01.159 Flies a clear number one, Dylan Harper is a clear 1411 01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:03.960 number two. Uh, there may be more of a grating 1412 01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:07.199 two and three than there is between one and two. 1413 01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:08.119 Let's put it that way. 1414 01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.639 So let's just have a little fun and say the 1415 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.000 Jazz are able to lock into the number one overall pick. 1416 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:19.119 It's it's Cooper. Yeah, it's auto auto draft at that point. Okay, 1417 01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:22.159 up on auto draft and go home, except the Jazz 1418 01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:23.679 can't go home. They do have another first round pick, 1419 01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:25.880 so I'll have to stick stick around. But uh, yeah, 1420 01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:28.400 I mean it's uh, I mean, Cooper Flag is just phenomenal, right, 1421 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:30.159 Like he's averaging twenty points a game for one of 1422 01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:33.239 the best teams in the country and he's barely eighteen 1423 01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:37.000 years old, and uh, he's not. It's not a one 1424 01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:40.639 dimensional twenty points a game. Like right now, I'm looking 1425 01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:43.320 at the mock draft at Tankathon and it's Bailey out 1426 01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:44.679 of records as the number three pick, and he is 1427 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:45.880 averaging nineteen points a game. 1428 01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:47.119 But that's a it's a little more of. 1429 01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:51.199 A empty nineteen points, you know, it's a little more 1430 01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:54.280 of a selfish nineteen points, right he's bainlely super talented, 1431 01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:57.159 and he's surely and probably gonna be awesome. But Cooper 1432 01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:59.800 Flag is he just you know, he can handle the 1433 01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:02.679 ball all he has great vision, he just has great 1434 01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:05.119 feel for the game. And on top of that, he's 1435 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.840 a skilled scorer really from all three levels. So he 1436 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.440 does everything and he's still got you know, he still. 1437 01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:14.320 Has not entered the prime development years of his life, 1438 01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:14.800 do you. 1439 01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:17.119 And I don't love comps. I never have because I 1440 01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:21.320 think it puts a unfair idea in fans' minds and 1441 01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:23.159 I think it sets players up to fail. 1442 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.280 So I'm not a huge like, hey, he reminds me 1443 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:26.440 of this. He reminds me of that. 1444 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.400 But for Jazz fans and aren't dialed into Duke basketball, 1445 01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:31.320 is there an NBA player that you think he kind 1446 01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:31.679 of plays? 1447 01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:31.920 Like? 1448 01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:36.280 Yeah, I'm actually with you on the comp thing, partly 1449 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:38.000 because of what you say, Like, I think it's kind 1450 01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:41.440 of it's kind of a weird thing to compare somebody 1451 01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:42.679 does somebody else? 1452 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.519 Like could you imagine that in your own profession? Spence? 1453 01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.360 You know, like, right, you get compared to Steven A. 1454 01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:52.760 Smith or something. I don't want that. Well anyway, yeah, 1455 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:55.199 so that's sort of the and but the second reason 1456 01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:58.440 is that I actually am not very good at comps, right, 1457 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:05.599 That's fine. My encyclopedic knowledge of historical players is somewhat 1458 01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:07.480 poor when it comes to like the fine I think 1459 01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:09.840 the the the attributes that we're looking for here to 1460 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:12.280 make you know, a decent comp And we've seen people 1461 01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:15.119 on TV, you know, Jalen Rose most notably perhaps in 1462 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:18.159 the reason past, you know, get in trouble. Most people 1463 01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:19.599 do these comps and it's just like, how does the 1464 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:21.639 player look? You know, who looks like Cooper Flag? You know, 1465 01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:24.800 just like facially right in tone, and it's like, that's 1466 01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:27.880 kind of it's kind of gross. So yeah, so I'm 1467 01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:29.960 not a huge calm guy, but just you know, from 1468 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.920 a production standpoint, Cooper Flag is an above average number 1469 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:33.559 one overall pick. 1470 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:35.800 Let's put it that way, all right, fair enough, fair enough. So, 1471 01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:38.440 if you're a Jazz fan, be dialed in on Duke basketball. 1472 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:40.840 And speaking of Duke basketball, Ken, since you and I 1473 01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:44.719 last spoke, Duke has elevated themselves to the number one 1474 01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:47.480 team in your model. So what has happened over the 1475 01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:50.000 past couple of weeks because Auburn I think is stayed clean. 1476 01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:52.960 They beat Damma. I think last time we spoke, you 1477 01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:55.159 had Auburn at one. Now Duke is a one, Auburn 1478 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.719 is at two. What exactly is flipped? Well, I mean 1479 01:07:57.760 --> 01:07:59.760 they're basically co number ones. You know, they're very close 1480 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:03.519 in the ratings. Auburn's out of some closer games. 1481 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.559 Uh, you know here in the last few weeks, whereas 1482 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:07.440 Duke really has not. 1483 01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:09.079 They did lose the Clumson on the road a couple 1484 01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:11.559 of weeks ago, but otherwise they're they're doing to the 1485 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:14.039 ACC what Gonzaga has typically done. 1486 01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:14.840 To like the WCC. 1487 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.079 And that's kind of the storyline here headed headed into 1488 01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:20.880 the tournament, is like there's gonna be questions about Duke 1489 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:23.880 against quality competition. They do get a very extremely rare 1490 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:27.359 February non conference game on Saturday against Illinois. If you 1491 01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:30.680 want to see NBA prospects on the floor, that's a 1492 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:34.119 great chance because Illinois themselves has a couple of potential 1493 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:37.399 first rounders and Caspers Yaka chonas and and Will Riley, 1494 01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:41.039 and obviously Duke has three freshmen as well that could 1495 01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:42.279 end up going in the top ten of the draft. 1496 01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:44.239 So great, great showcase for that. 1497 01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:48.239 But but that's the story with Due, Like they've looked great, 1498 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:50.319 the competition has not been so great. The a SEC 1499 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:54.279 is historically bad this year. Uh, that may benefit Duke. 1500 01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:56.920 I don't know, like the somethings that I feel like 1501 01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:58.720 you played a week league like in Zaga, you know 1502 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:01.279 has proven over the years is consistently getting you know, 1503 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:03.760 barely deep into the tournament. I mean a number of 1504 01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:06.560 sweet sixteens in a row. You don't have that, like 1505 01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:10.560 physical wear and tear playing against these weaker teams. We'll 1506 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:12.119 see if that benefits Duke or not. But I mean 1507 01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:14.600 it's pretty clear right now Duke and Auburn I think 1508 01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:16.720 are the two best teams in the country. Houston is 1509 01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:19.000 extremely close to them. I mean I would not put 1510 01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:20.359 up a fight if you said Houston was in that 1511 01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:22.640 group as well, and then there's maybe a little bit 1512 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:25.119 of a well more sizeable drop off after that. 1513 01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:27.760 Does Houston have a peer in the Big twelve? 1514 01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:29.439 I mean, I have your model in front of me, 1515 01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:30.920 I have your rankings in front of me, but I 1516 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:34.279 ask it because every time I watch Houston it just 1517 01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:37.239 feels almost unfair. I Mean, we talked about the ute 1518 01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:39.640 game where I'm watching it, Like, if you didn't know 1519 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:42.039 anything about these two teams, you turn on the game, 1520 01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.000 you'd be like, why are they playing an exhibition game 1521 01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:47.560 with one team that clearly has talent and size and 1522 01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:50.359 strength that the other teams. It was like, Utah barely 1523 01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:52.199 even got looks at the bucket. I think at some 1524 01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:55.439 point they had far more turnovers than field goals all 1525 01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:58.199 game long. And that's just one snap shot. It was 1526 01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:01.880 seventy to thirty six, So not close. But they blow teams, 1527 01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:05.119 you know, out of the gym. They So does duke 1528 01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:07.279 excuse me, does Houston have a peer in the Big 1529 01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:08.000 twelve right now? 1530 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:10.840 Well, first, let me just say we need to give 1531 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:13.920 equal opportunity here. Houston also beat BUYU eighty six to 1532 01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.560 fifty five, so let's I forget I mean a little 1533 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:17.279 bit earlier in the year. 1534 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:18.239 Similar. 1535 01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:20.279 I truly feel like every time I watch them, I'm like, 1536 01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:22.439 it's unfair. They're a lot better than their peers. I 1537 01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:24.640 think they've won something like eleven straight road games and 1538 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:27.000 commerce play so wild. Yeah, so we're talking about how 1539 01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:28.520 tough it doesn't to win on the road, but uh, 1540 01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:32.880 they they do it somehow, And you are right, I 1541 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.439 mean that they've always the Houston team under Kevin Samson 1542 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:37.600 has always been characterized by maximum effort. 1543 01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:39.680 You know, five guys on the floor given one hundred percent. 1544 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.319 They're not necessarily the mot skilled team, but you know 1545 01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:44.319 they're gonna give a ton of effort, and they make 1546 01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:46.079 up for a lot of their lack of skill offensively 1547 01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:48.279 by getting a bunch of offensive rebounds. And that's true 1548 01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:50.159 this year. They're still ninth in the country and offensive 1549 01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.720 rebound percentage. The thing about this year's team is that 1550 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:54.720 they're fifth of the country at three point shooting. Like 1551 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:56.479 this is a team that you know, you watch their 1552 01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:58.920 offense and you think it's it's pretty ugly. Like I 1553 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.239 understand why it's somewhat because they do get loose balls 1554 01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:03.800 and they can create some points that way, but they 1555 01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:04.279 can shoot. 1556 01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:04.479 Now. 1557 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:08.319 It's really reminiscent of like the twenty nineteen Virginia team 1558 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:10.840 where you know, Virginia under Tony Bennett for years and 1559 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:14.279 years had a great defense and we're you know, disciplined 1560 01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:16.399 and did all the things that coaches want you to do, 1561 01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:19.239 and their offense was extremely ugly and then they suddenly 1562 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:21.800 put together a pretty talented offense and ended up winning 1563 01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:24.239 a national title. And this is really the opportunity here 1564 01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:26.640 for Kevin Samson to to kind of duplicate that because 1565 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:28.880 it's still a great defensive team. They're still going to hustle, 1566 01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.279 They're still going to get the seventy five percent of 1567 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:33.000 the fifty to fifty balls, if that makes sense. And 1568 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:36.239 U and their offense is pretty dangerous as well. 1569 01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.039 Yeah, he plays eight guys more than fourteen minutes a night, 1570 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:42.479 and six of the eight shoot it from three and 1571 01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:45.319 four of them, what excuse me, five of them shoot 1572 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:46.760 better than forty percent. 1573 01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:47.640 So that's wild. 1574 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:52.079 An eight man rotation for Calvin Sampson, and I think 1575 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:57.239 Kevin plays eleven for BYU. Is is there a prefer 1576 01:11:57.439 --> 01:11:59.760 like I can always remember pat Riley as the Knicks 1577 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.199 were approaching the playoffs in practice, he would yell, I 1578 01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:02.880 want my eight. 1579 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:05.119 Who are going to be my eight? Right? And so 1580 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:07.680 that's kind of the old school mentality. 1581 01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.479 When you're playing tournament basketball or playoff basketball, you trim 1582 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:14.159 your rotation because so much is at stake. In the NBA, 1583 01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:16.039 there's a little bit of a different trend. Steve Kerr 1584 01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:18.560 has been playing ten to eleven sometimes small guys a night, 1585 01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:21.199 we've seen it from Will as well. Is there a 1586 01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:24.960 new understanding of how many minutes you want each player playing? 1587 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:27.840 And is Kelvin's approach of kind of old school eight 1588 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:32.079 man rotation an outlier these days, which is just. 1589 01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:35.680 Date that might be a little bit short, but you're 1590 01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:37.359 not seeing a lot of guys the college level playing 1591 01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:39.000 ten or eleven. And I we should point out even 1592 01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:41.640 Kevin Young, like the other night, Kennon Catchings really didn't 1593 01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:43.399 get off the bench. So even though there may have 1594 01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:45.720 been eleven guys in the box score, like you know, 1595 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:47.560 ultimately he decided to go with Tray Stewart for a 1596 01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:51.000 lot of the minutes there, and Catchings the guy who 1597 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:52.560 was starting early in the season, you know, suddenly he 1598 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.680 finds himself really not getting off the bench. So the 1599 01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:57.239 other thing is once you get to the tournament or 1600 01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.760 the playoffs in the NBA, like inevitably. 1601 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:00.880 The rotations are are going to shrink. 1602 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:03.359 So I would imagine, you know, if we see BYU 1603 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:05.000 in the tournament, you know they're gonna get They're gonna 1604 01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:06.560 find their eight guys that they really like, and if 1605 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:08.640 there's foul trouble, they know they can go nine or ten. Deep, 1606 01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:10.840 but for the most part, you want your best guys 1607 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:13.960 out there, and you know, Kellen SAMs doesn't have much 1608 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:16.479 of a choice as rotation drops off pretty pretty badly 1609 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:17.520 after after eight guys. 1610 01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:19.479 So that's why you see the minutes distribution for that 1611 01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:20.079 team that you do. 1612 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:24.199 Craig's rotation for the utes seems to really depend on 1613 01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:27.439 the opponent. They're really there's not a ton of consistency. 1614 01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.199 I do think he's settled on his five and Jake 1615 01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:32.159 Wallen has played better than I thought he could. He 1616 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:34.640 had a double double against Kansas, he had twelve boards. 1617 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:37.039 But it really does depend on the night. And sometimes 1618 01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:39.319 I watched Keano does and feel like he needs more 1619 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:43.279 minutes and could they use you know, myro Little's ball 1620 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:46.399 handling a little bit more. Is it really predicated on 1621 01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:48.279 whatever the night needs. As far as the way Craig 1622 01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:50.239 has handled his rotation, Yeah. 1623 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:51.680 It seems like it seems like there's a little you know, 1624 01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:54.880 positional bias there as well, like they're a little more 1625 01:13:54.920 --> 01:13:56.840 loaded in the wing category and so they can go 1626 01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.560 a little deeper into into that well as opposed to 1627 01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:00.479 the big category. 1628 01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:02.279 You know, he mentioned like lovering being kind. 1629 01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:04.079 Of left on the floor and in crucial moments to 1630 01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:05.880 despite the fact that he's kind of a liability from 1631 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:08.079 the free throw line, and I think he's just like 1632 01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:10.319 clearly the best option there for other reasons, and so 1633 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.319 Craig alects to kind of kind of go that direction. 1634 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:16.479 But you know, the Utah situation is slightly different too, 1635 01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:18.560 I think where there's maybe not like obvious stars on 1636 01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:21.399 the team, you know, Gabe Mad's and notwithstanding, I don't 1637 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:23.720 don't know if he's not really a star caliber type 1638 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:25.520 of guy, but I think clearly one of the better 1639 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:26.159 offensive options. 1640 01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:28.079 But for the most part, there's some interchangeable parts. 1641 01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:29.960 There and so he can he can mix and match 1642 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.039 things as the game situation requires. 1643 01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:34.760 Tell me what you've seen from Mark Pope in his 1644 01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:37.880 first year in Kentucky. I mean, obviously that is for 1645 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:41.520 our listeners that aren't totally familiar. If you think of 1646 01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:45.399 the craziest fan base, well whatever sport that you're thinking of, 1647 01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:48.520 Kentucky basketball fans are that for college hoops, Big Blue Nation, 1648 01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:49.800 they are wild. 1649 01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:53.079 And the majority of the. 1650 01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:55.319 Reaction after Mark was hired was not positive because I 1651 01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:57.640 think Mark was either their fourth or fifth choice. From 1652 01:14:57.640 --> 01:15:00.720 what I read and obviously John Calipari. He did a 1653 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:03.399 great job of acquiring talents, not such a great job 1654 01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:06.359 of winning consistently. He did win a national championship, of course, 1655 01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:08.199 which you have to give him a lot of credit. 1656 01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:11.000 And it hasn't been great for Calipari year one in Arkansas. 1657 01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:13.319 But what about year one for Mark Pope in Kentucky. 1658 01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:15.399 I would call it a success. 1659 01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:18.119 Yeah, as you mentioned, he did get hired a little 1660 01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:20.279 bit late because they were looking at other candidates. There's 1661 01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:22.720 a pretty high profile courting of Scott Drew in there, 1662 01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:26.359 but ultimately settled on Mark and you know, it's worked 1663 01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:27.840 out pretty well. I mean, I think there were some 1664 01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:30.479 questions about the roster coming into the season. He didn't 1665 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.880 really get high profile transfers. I would say he got 1666 01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:36.000 a bunch of good transfers and he's, you know, ultimately 1667 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:37.239 messed those guys together pretty well. 1668 01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:38.199 He's dealt with some injuries. 1669 01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:41.720 They've been out a couple of starters and Jackson Robinson 1670 01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:44.520 and Lamont Butler in the past few games and still 1671 01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:47.199 are are hanging on. They swept Tennessee this year. You know, 1672 01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:49.760 they're just seven and six in conference. But it's also 1673 01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:52.840 a brutal conference, and they're going to easily make the 1674 01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:54.800 tournament and get a decent seed, and if they can 1675 01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:58.880 get healthy, you know, they'll be a pretty dangerous team 1676 01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:00.640 in the tournament. They're now at that group of teams 1677 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.680 that we talked about earlier, but perhaps in a second 1678 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:05.359 group of teams that you know you take a flyer 1679 01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:06.880 on in your bracket to get to the final four. 1680 01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:08.760 So I'm a child of the Big East ken as 1681 01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:11.920 you know, going to the biggest tournament's preseason Big East tournaments. 1682 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.640 It was the Ray Allen Allen Iverson battle back in 1683 01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:17.039 the day with Georgetown and Yukon. I was there for 1684 01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:21.399 Mello's preseason Big East Tournament when he's a freshman at Syracuse. 1685 01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:23.399 So I got to ask you about the Johnnies. Our 1686 01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:28.000 moral compass. Rick Patino has taken over that program, and 1687 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:29.800 say what you want about him, the guy can coach 1688 01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:33.000 Kenny I mean Davon Smith, right, he's former uts. There 1689 01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:35.119 you have them at sixteen year the model. What stands 1690 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:36.359 out about the Johnny's. 1691 01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:40.359 This year, Well, their defense has been extremely impressive, number 1692 01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:42.880 two in the country, number six in the country in 1693 01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:45.680 two point percentage defense. Really kind of a makeup, you know, 1694 01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:50.000 similar to say Houston, where it's like not a not 1695 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:53.479 a sexy offense, but you know you're gonna get maximum 1696 01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:57.359 effort out of these guys, and not necessarily big vertically, 1697 01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:59.520 but a bunch of thick guys. You know, they're just 1698 01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.560 really are physical and you know that comes into it 1699 01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:04.399 comes in handy down the stretch when the officials might 1700 01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:06.520 be calling slightly fewer fouls and letting a little more 1701 01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:09.239 go as we get into these late season games. So 1702 01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:12.159 it's not a it's not a you know, not a 1703 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:15.199 pretty team to watch, but they do get results. I 1704 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:16.800 mean you just feel like when you're watching them, they 1705 01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:19.600 are you know, they're giving you maximum. Ever, they're not 1706 01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:21.159 leaving anything out on the corner to the extend that 1707 01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:23.319 they lose games, which they've only done four times this year, 1708 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.039 and we should point out they have four. 1709 01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:27.479 They have four losses this year. 1710 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:31.079 Okay, one by two points, one by one point, one 1711 01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:32.760 by three points, and one in double overtime. 1712 01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:35.920 Wow, that's wild. They're pretty close to being undefeated. Guys 1713 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:37.840 like that's a yeah. 1714 01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:39.800 Rick Bettino certainly still say what do you want about 1715 01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:43.239 the guy? Obviously a value higher for Saint John's one 1716 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:44.239 of the best coaches in the game. 1717 01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:46.119 All right, before I say you loose, I'm not gonna 1718 01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:47.960 say this is a hot take because you have them 1719 01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:51.359 highly ranked in your model. But Auburn the number two 1720 01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:53.199 team in the country, number one team in the SEC. 1721 01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:54.079 How close? 1722 01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:58.520 Every time I've watched Florida this year, like you know, 1723 01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:01.399 and maybe I'm not paid enough attention because my thought is, 1724 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:03.159 like they should be talked about more, Like every time 1725 01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:04.199 I watch them, they look elite. 1726 01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:06.800 Are they a legit threat to Auburn and the SEC? 1727 01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:11.159 I think they're a legit threat to like they should 1728 01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:13.159 have national championships type goals. 1729 01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:14.239 Let's get that way. They're not. 1730 01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:16.439 They're on the level of those top three teams. But 1731 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:18.720 they're the next team in line, which has been consistently 1732 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:20.239 really good this year. To go ten and three in 1733 01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:22.680 conference play, again in the best conference and maybe the 1734 01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:26.520 history of basketball is is pretty impressive. So they all, 1735 01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:30.199 they got all that going for him. And again a 1736 01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:33.119 team that, unlike those top three, kind of came out 1737 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:35.000 of nowhere. Mean those top three teams that I'm talking about, 1738 01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:36.760 they were all top three in my preseason ratings. 1739 01:18:37.079 --> 01:18:39.239 Florida was twenty six in my preseason ratings. 1740 01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:41.239 I think they were like twenty in the AP But anyway, 1741 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:43.640 those team that people thought would be good but not great, 1742 01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:46.479 and maybe people are waiting for them to, you know, 1743 01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:48.840 come back down to earth, but there's really been no 1744 01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:49.279 sign of that. 1745 01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:50.239 Three twenty five games. 1746 01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:53.479 All right, Ken, we are eight days away from March, 1747 01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:58.119 which is wild and I can't wait because you know, basketball, golf, 1748 01:18:58.199 --> 01:18:59.159 all the things I enjoy. 1749 01:18:59.199 --> 01:18:59.880 It's really awesome. 1750 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:03.920 So for people that are about to fill out brackets, 1751 01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:05.640 your family's going to send you an email, Your work's 1752 01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:08.159 going to send you an email. I utilize your stuff 1753 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:10.760 every time I sit down to do mine. Let's be clear, 1754 01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:13.239 there's no perfect model. If there was, Ken would be 1755 01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:15.199 a billionaire. What about an island by now? But how 1756 01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:16.279 can people go get your work? 1757 01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:20.039 They can just go to Kenpalm dot com and sign 1758 01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:23.239 up for one year of a subscription. You get access 1759 01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:25.600 to a whole bunch of great data on the team 1760 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:28.239 and player level, and it's good for twelve months, so 1761 01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:30.399 it's not just for the end of the tournament, but 1762 01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:32.560 you'll be able to use it well into next season. 1763 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:34.520 All right, Ken, Good stuff man, good to see? 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Matt, I'm going to say, Frank 1783 01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:35.720 comm is that right, yeah, freak them, Frank them Matt, 1784 01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:36.760 frankm good enough, Matt. 1785 01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:39.119 How are you man? I'm doing great. I appreciate you 1786 01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:39.920 coming in today. 1787 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:42.439 So before we get to what Matt wants to talk 1788 01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:44.680 about today, we're going to tell you about causes and 1789 01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:47.399 treatments for hair loss, something that's very important to a 1790 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:50.279 lot of men. I want to kind of reiterate the 1791 01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:52.319 deals that we already have for you at Ougden Clinic 1792 01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:57.439 Hadley Dermatology. Christine stopped in with the deal on boat talks. Okay, 1793 01:20:57.479 --> 01:20:59.439 so you can check that out for your significant other. 1794 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:04.960 Jason stopped in with a deal on laser hair removal. 1795 01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.640 So laser treatments are offering twenty five percent off pool 1796 01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:10.279 season will be here. Don't be the guy that takes 1797 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:12.039 off the shirt and looks like a gorilla. Get that 1798 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:14.479 taken care of. And then Michael stopped in and offered 1799 01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:17.199 a free skin consultation for those of you that are 1800 01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:18.760 like me that play a lot of golf and are 1801 01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:21.439 in the sun a ton during the summer. We have 1802 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:24.159 a beautiful state, but where the number one stayed in 1803 01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:27.640 the country and skin cancer diagnosis per capita, So if 1804 01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:30.920 you've not been checked out head to toe, check out 1805 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:34.199 Ogden Clinic, Hadley Dermatology. But Matt, let's talk hair loss. 1806 01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:37.319 What do you want our listeners to know? Yeah, well, hey, 1807 01:21:37.399 --> 01:21:38.079 thanks for having me. 1808 01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:41.920 First of all, sure, man, see you. 1809 01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:44.039 You know we're making American men and women beautiful again. 1810 01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:44.600 There we go. 1811 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:47.880 It turns out that dermatologists do more than skin. We 1812 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:53.520 do hair conditions and diseases, anything that causes hair loss. 1813 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:57.000 So we're happy to check out. You know, if you've 1814 01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:00.119 got some hair loss, some thinning, maybe years ago the 1815 01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:02.239 buy and you don't look quite as good as you thought, 1816 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:06.840 you think you should be looking, and let's do a 1817 01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:09.239 little evaluation and see what we can do for you. 1818 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:11.800 So I know Jason has helped out a number of 1819 01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:14.119 my friends that are in this spot where they're getting 1820 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:16.279 older and then you see their hairline receding a little bit. 1821 01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:17.720 You got some spots you want to take care of. 1822 01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:20.159 So I know people are probably skeptical, but I've seen 1823 01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:23.359 these results. You actually are helping people. So let's talk 1824 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:25.920 about the process. How do you help men and women 1825 01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:27.800 right now that are listening to the show that are 1826 01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:28.920 being affected by hair loss? 1827 01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:29.600 How does that work? 1828 01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:33.560 So you come in make an appointment see one of 1829 01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:36.479 us there at Athlete Dermatology. I happen to be in 1830 01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:40.439 the West Point Clinic. We do an evaluation. We see 1831 01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:42.720 what it is that's causing the problem. There's lots of things. 1832 01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:47.279 There's genetic problems, there's diseases, there's sort of these acute problems. 1833 01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:50.920 Even medications that are kind of popular right now contribute 1834 01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:53.159 to hair loss. That's kind of a bigger thing that 1835 01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:55.920 we've noticed with some of the weight loss medications. 1836 01:22:56.039 --> 01:22:58.520 What are some of the treatments you guys have available 1837 01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:00.000 for our listeners who are tuned in? 1838 01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:02.520 How can you help them out? Yeah, so there are 1839 01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:05.960 topical medications. I think you know you can get some 1840 01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:10.600 of those through some over the counter places, but we 1841 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:15.279 specialize in more of the oral medications and some things 1842 01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:18.520 that are newer that haven't been utilized for hair loss, 1843 01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:21.920 and they're really becoming more utilized and seeing a lot 1844 01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:24.079 of improvement and effectiveness lately. 1845 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:26.680 All right, guys, here's the deal now that Matt has 1846 01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:29.000 brought to the table, the potential for you guys to 1847 01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.279 go take care of your hair loss issues. At Hadley 1848 01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:34.960 Clinic Dermatology. We now have offers for botox. We now 1849 01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:38.840 have offers for laser treatments. We have offers for skin consultations, 1850 01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:43.079 also some scut some sunscreen options where you'll save on 1851 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:46.560 their special sunscreen up at Ougden Clinic Dermatology, and now 1852 01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:48.800 an offer for hair loss treatment as well. 1853 01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:52.319 So it's kind of a menu. You've got five great offers. 1854 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:53.800 And whichever one you want to land on, I would 1855 01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:56.920 do it now at Ogden Clinic Hadley Dermatology. The number 1856 01:23:57.000 --> 01:23:59.800 is eight oh one sixty five seven five sixty sixty four. 1857 01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.800 That's eight one sixty five seven five sixty six four. 1858 01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:05.520 It's gonna do a little sports court on the program 1859 01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:08.520 today coming up. We'll call that about twenty five thirty 1860 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:11.600 minutes right now, five o'clock hour of the program. After that, 1861 01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:14.319 Craig Smith Coaches Show follows our show to Taco with 1862 01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:17.079 Utah Hoops, and then we will have the Four Nations 1863 01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:21.479 Face Final right here on ESPN seven hundred between Canada 1864 01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:22.479 and the US. 1865 01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:24.239 Our next guest front of the show. 1866 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:26.159 But it's been a while, it's been too long, A mean, 1867 01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:28.600 Al Hassen back on the drive on a Thursday, I mean, 1868 01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:29.560 happy Thursday, sir. 1869 01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:32.119 How you been doing well? 1870 01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:32.640 Doing well? 1871 01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:33.399 Can complaint. 1872 01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:34.760 There you go, appreciate the time. 1873 01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:37.199 So let's get your reaction to the news of the 1874 01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:40.239 day today, Victor wiman Yama will miss the rest of 1875 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:43.640 the season with a blood clot. Blood clot in his shoulder. Now, 1876 01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:46.680 my first my first thought, I mean, was Chris Bosh. 1877 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:48.680 I hate to say it, but it just was. Now, 1878 01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:51.520 this is in his shoulder, not his lower leg. We've 1879 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:56.279 seen Aman Thompson deal with this, brandon Ingram deal with this, 1880 01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:59.000 and a lot of Spurs fans probably be pretty nervous 1881 01:24:59.000 --> 01:24:59.600 about the news. 1882 01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:00.439 What's your reaction. 1883 01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:05.520 Yeah, I was taping my show Oddball with Izzy Gutierrez 1884 01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:09.760 when the news broke, and he was the one that 1885 01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:12.880 had to kind of remind me of brandon Ingram and 1886 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:20.319 and Thompson because originally my first thought was Chris Bosh. 1887 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:23.479 And then a good friend of mine, John Shoemate, who 1888 01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:27.199 passed away not too long ago, a couple of weeks ago. Actually, 1889 01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:31.119 he was a top five pick in the draft. He 1890 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:36.560 a storage career at Notre Dame, but his career was 1891 01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:40.760 first like interrupted several times in the clotting, and then 1892 01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:44.079 eventually he had to retire because of blood clouding. And 1893 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:48.840 so it's a very serious issue. It's not necessarily kind 1894 01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:53.319 of a end to his career. As we said, there 1895 01:25:53.319 --> 01:25:55.640 have been plenty of examples of guys who got on 1896 01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:58.399 the medication, got it sorted out, and came back and 1897 01:25:58.479 --> 01:26:00.840 were perfectly fine, And I don't have to deal with 1898 01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:03.359 it again. But it just, you know, it's one of 1899 01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:06.199 those things where I think we all have to be 1900 01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:10.520 cognizant today. None of this stuff is guaranteed. And you know, 1901 01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:13.479 you hope that the kid bounces back right because he's 1902 01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:15.479 been such a breath of pressure for the league, not 1903 01:26:15.520 --> 01:26:18.760 only with his play, but with his personality and kind 1904 01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:21.560 of his genuine energy when it comes to the game 1905 01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:22.279 of basketball. 1906 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:25.479 So, based off of what I was reading, this is 1907 01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:29.199 an instant shut it down entirely for six month situation, 1908 01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:31.520 based off of the medication that you have to take 1909 01:26:31.640 --> 01:26:33.960 right away. Because a blood cloud is not a sprained ankle. 1910 01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.920 You have to take action immediately to make sure that 1911 01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:39.560 you're taking care of just as a person less loan 1912 01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:42.479 a basketball player, what do you think this process is 1913 01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:45.119 going to be like, Because if it's a six month shutdown, 1914 01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:47.239 he's going to be knocking on the door just to 1915 01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:49.399 get ready for the starting next season. So what do 1916 01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:51.039 you think the next six to seven months are going 1917 01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:52.479 to look like for Victor wemen Yama. 1918 01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:55.840 Well, frustrating. It's got to be frustrated for sure, because 1919 01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:57.760 one of the things that you really enjoy doing, you're 1920 01:26:57.760 --> 01:26:58.760 not going to be able to do. 1921 01:26:58.880 --> 01:26:59.119 Yep. 1922 01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:05.279 You know. The conversation that is he and I had was, 1923 01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:09.199 you know, these kind of live events kind of take 1924 01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:13.000 one or two paths on people impacts on people. One 1925 01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:16.920 is the this is another challenge, and I'm going to 1926 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:18.760 teach this challenge and I'll come back better than ever 1927 01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:23.199 and kind of you know, this almost determination that comes 1928 01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:26.319 from it. The other is, oh my god, I've been 1929 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.000 racing my life worried about things that really don't matter, 1930 01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:31.840 and now that life and death has entered the equation, 1931 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:34.760 I'm going to cherish the things that do matter, like 1932 01:27:34.920 --> 01:27:37.960 family and friendship and quality of life and all that. 1933 01:27:39.159 --> 01:27:42.079 I tend to think that Webbin Yama is more of 1934 01:27:42.119 --> 01:27:45.680 the former, simply because I think he's already someone who's 1935 01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:48.840 with a healthy work life balance. He seems to be 1936 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:52.039 well rounded, he's got interests, he's not afraid of expressing 1937 01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:56.399 his interests that are not basketball. So I kind of 1938 01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:58.119 feel like he's going to look at it as just 1939 01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:01.880 another challenge to be did rather than a wake up 1940 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:03.960 call that he's been living in life the wrong way. 1941 01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:05.319 What do you think? 1942 01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:08.520 And I'm chuckling because I'm just picturing. Look, San Antonio 1943 01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:12.239 twenty three wins and the Jazz have thirteen. The Pelicans 1944 01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.920 have thirteen. So there's still a major gap between where 1945 01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:18.000 the Spurs are now and some of the worst teams 1946 01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.039 in the league Washington with nine wins. 1947 01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:21.920 But what do you think the Spurs do now? 1948 01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:24.159 Do you think they completely just like shut it down 1949 01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:26.359 and try to get another top lottery pick in a 1950 01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:29.159 draft that's absolutely packed, Like, what's the rest of the 1951 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:32.239 year look like for the San Antonio Spurs? 1952 01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:34.880 Oh, Spencer, are you asking me if the Spurs are 1953 01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:36.399 going to play Capture the Flag? 1954 01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:39.239 Yes? Are you exactly what I'm asking you? 1955 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:42.920 And the San Antonio Spurs the team that went to 1956 01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:46.279 the Western Conference Finals in nineteen ninety five and had 1957 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:48.800 the MVP of the league and the next year won 1958 01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:52.039 fifty five fifty six games, and then the year after 1959 01:28:52.079 --> 01:28:55.960 that had an unfortunate injuries in a franchise player just 1960 01:28:56.439 --> 01:29:00.199 happened to be the same year that this can't miss 1961 01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:02.880 that to wake for us, it's coming out. And then 1962 01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.039 they got them, and then and all of a sudden 1963 01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:09.000 they were good again with the best player generationally, probably 1964 01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:11.479 for his entire class. Are you asking me if that's 1965 01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:14.840 gonna happen against man? Is that what you're kind of questioning? 1966 01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:16.840 If you want my third eye to be open, I'll 1967 01:29:16.840 --> 01:29:18.760 ask you if this is really a blood clot, bro 1968 01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:20.079 I can go as deep as you want. 1969 01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:24.439 Nah, I'm sure the Spurs, though, you know, moved fine. 1970 01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:27.880 They would never they would never step something up. 1971 01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:33.159 Oh goodness, gracious, you know it's us. It's cruel because 1972 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:35.520 I feel like the Jazz should have done what they're 1973 01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:38.960 doing now a few years ago when this kid was available, 1974 01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:42.199 you know, But instead the Jazz decided to be fine 1975 01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:44.159 being average for a couple of years, and they had 1976 01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.000 some late lottery picks and these kids just really haven't 1977 01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:50.079 popped very much. So I understand what you're saying, tongue 1978 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:52.079 in cheek, But the Spurs did exactly what they should 1979 01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:54.000 have done a few years ago, and the Jazz didn't, 1980 01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:55.880 and now we're kind of paying the price for it 1981 01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:56.439 around here. 1982 01:29:58.039 --> 01:29:58.279 It is. 1983 01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:04.039 It is remarkable, right, that every time there's a generational 1984 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:07.600 talent youse, guys just happen to have like the the 1985 01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:13.079 on ramp to being terrible, terrible at the right time, 1986 01:30:13.239 --> 01:30:15.720 and not terrible for too long. Right, you don't have 1987 01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:18.079 to deal with a whole lot of terrible in pan Antonio. 1988 01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:20.720 They're just gonna be terrible for this small window, and 1989 01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:22.920 it seems to work out for them. 1990 01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:24.800 It sure does. It sure does. 1991 01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:27.640 So whether it's intelligence, timing, or luck or accommodation of 1992 01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:29.159 all three, you gotta give them a lot of credit. 1993 01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:31.680 But let's have a little fun now with the Utah Jazz, 1994 01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:34.760 and let's say, for the first time in jazz history, 1995 01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:36.880 the Jazz actually get lottery luck. The Jazz have been 1996 01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:39.159 in a lottery nine times and they've never moved up. 1997 01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:43.359 If they're able to cash in on this really difficult 1998 01:30:43.399 --> 01:30:46.359 season for a fan base around here that used to winning, 1999 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:49.720 to digest and snag Cooper Flag number one, and they 2000 01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:51.479 roll in the next season with the front court of 2001 01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:54.199 Walker Kesher, Larry Market and Cooper Flag, a front court 2002 01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:55.640 that would be very popular around here. 2003 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:56.479 I'll just leave it there. 2004 01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.600 Uh, then we're kind of onto something, aren't we Like 2005 01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:02.079 if this this entire process leads to that maybe this 2006 01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:03.680 fan base has something to latch onto. 2007 01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:08.760 Yeah, I just want to point out how staggered I am. 2008 01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:11.119 He said, the Jazz have been to the lottery nine 2009 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:12.960 times in their in their franchise history. 2010 01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:14.039 Yeah, and I've never moved up. 2011 01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:17.720 I mean like, okay, never moved up. Feels like, oh wow, 2012 01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:21.399 that's that's kind of tough. But so only been there 2013 01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:26.800 nine times? Yeah, yep, pretty remarkable. I mean it's and 2014 01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:30.079 by the way, three of them, so thirty three percent 2015 01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:34.920 of them, we're in that right now. That's that's very, very, 2016 01:31:35.119 --> 01:31:40.359 very remarkable. No, you know, obviously, you know, Cooper Flag 2017 01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:43.039 is a kind of talent where you could thirty teams 2018 01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:48.319 and they all need a Cooper Flag. Utah is kind 2019 01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:53.039 of look, Denny As has a vision of how to 2020 01:31:53.119 --> 01:31:56.279 do this, He's done it before, and what we're seeing 2021 01:31:56.439 --> 01:32:01.279 is kind of, you know, the same sort of formula 2022 01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:03.439 in terms of when you look at the deals and 2023 01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:06.560 you look at him getting involved in that layer, this 2024 01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:10.039 Maverage deal as a third party, not even knowing who 2025 01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:14.840 the deal is for all of that kind of accumulation, accumulation, accumulation. 2026 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:17.600 He's doing this in the same way he did it 2027 01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:21.199 in the mid two thousands when he realized that Paul 2028 01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:23.399 Pierce alone wasn't gonna get it done and he needed 2029 01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:26.960 to make a bold move. And so the question becomes, 2030 01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:29.279 and I think this is the part where everyone gets frustrated, 2031 01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:32.920 is you say, what is that bold move going to be? Well, 2032 01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:35.439 you don't know. And I think that's the thing when 2033 01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:39.199 you know, way back when I think of Philadelphia, when 2034 01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:42.720 people were praising Sam Hinky Oh for him doing this 2035 01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:45.159 and he's accumulating picks, and this is the way to 2036 01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:48.039 do it if you're not first your last Ricky Bobby style. 2037 01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:51.079 And what I said at the time is on paper, yeah, 2038 01:32:51.119 --> 01:32:54.319 that's what you do. But this thing doesn't happen on paper. 2039 01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:57.479 And you've got ownership to answer to. And even owners 2040 01:32:57.479 --> 01:33:01.920 who can pretend they're bought in and it from tech 2041 01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:06.439 to finance and they understand these kind of processes, Ultimately, 2042 01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:10.279 they still have kids whould go to school and get 2043 01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:12.760 teams because their dad owns the team and ruined it. 2044 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:17.800 So your capacity to run this playbook in essence is 2045 01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:22.560 directly proportionate to how confident you are in the ownership 2046 01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:25.319 behind you, sticking behind you in the case of Sam 2047 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:29.560 Presty g had full rams. You could do it forever, 2048 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:31.479 and they were never going to give up on them 2049 01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:33.920 because they knew, hey, we got ourselves one of the 2050 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:38.439 best guys in the league. Does Denny Aide have that 2051 01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:42.720 sort of job security with Ryan Smith? I don't know. 2052 01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:45.960 One would think because his track record and obviously who 2053 01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:49.039 he is locally, one would think that he's got that 2054 01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:52.279 job security. But again, hell have no fury like my 2055 01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:54.439 kids coming home from school crime because they got made 2056 01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:54.680 fun of. 2057 01:33:57.000 --> 01:33:59.920 Well, look, I think the answer to the job security 2058 01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:04.039 security question is Danny has tremendous job security. I mean, 2059 01:34:04.119 --> 01:34:06.880 Ryan has been front facing about how much of a 2060 01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:09.640 fan he always was of Danny, because Ryan's a big 2061 01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:12.760 BYU fan, and then obviously Danny goes on to do 2062 01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:15.600 great things in pro basketball. This was born out of 2063 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:18.920 a fan relationship between the owner and the executive far 2064 01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:21.680 more than it was born out of a friendship. Now 2065 01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:23.800 it seems that it has become that now, and I'm 2066 01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:27.520 sure Danny appreciates this ability to not necessarily put in 2067 01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:29.960 the same type of ground where Xanik does, yet get 2068 01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:32.279 paid a lot more money and kind of swoop in 2069 01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:34.279 what he needs to and I know that he's involved, 2070 01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:36.439 but Justin's the one that seems to be doing the. 2071 01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:39.199 Work on the ground. But here's here's the question. 2072 01:34:39.279 --> 01:34:43.600 Based off of the dynamic, Ryan fancies himself as a 2073 01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:48.199 basketball guy. He's in the meetings, he has input, and 2074 01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:51.680 I can tell you that both Dennis Lindsay and Quinn 2075 01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:55.199 Snyder had just one meeting with ownership. It was like, nope, 2076 01:34:55.239 --> 01:35:00.079 I'm good in your history around the league, meddaling owner 2077 01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:01.600 to think they're basketball people. 2078 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:02.880 How does that typically work out? 2079 01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:08.680 Well, it's funny that you mentioned that the relationship with 2080 01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:13.479 between Danny and Ryan was born out of a fandom, 2081 01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:17.399 because to answer your question, that's some think of another 2082 01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:21.039 owner GM combo that was born out of a fandom 2083 01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:25.199 was Robert Tarbar and Steve Kerr in Phoenix. Robert Tarber 2084 01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:27.520 was the university that I was on a grad and 2085 01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:30.000 he was a big fan of Steve pr at U 2086 01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:32.000 of A. He's obviously a big fan of Seve Peirr 2087 01:35:32.079 --> 01:35:36.119 as an NBA player, And you know, at first it 2088 01:35:36.319 --> 01:35:39.960 was like that, it was like, yeah, he listened to Steve, 2089 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:42.600 and then at some point Robert just thought he knew 2090 01:35:42.600 --> 01:35:45.279 better and so anything that Steve came up with that 2091 01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:49.119 we came up with. As a staff, Robert would basically 2092 01:35:49.399 --> 01:35:54.039 second gas and leak to other people asking them their opinions, 2093 01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:57.640 and our business was down in the streets. So typically, 2094 01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:01.279 what I found is the more your owner thinks he 2095 01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:07.960 knows basketball, the more dangerous your owner become right, because 2096 01:36:08.239 --> 01:36:10.800 he's much more likely to believe. Look, I get it, 2097 01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:12.720 I understand. I'm not like these other guys. 2098 01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:13.239 I am. 2099 01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:16.039 I am. I'm cool, right, And as we all know 2100 01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:20.159 from high school, the guy who announces he's cool not 2101 01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:23.319 really cool. Right. The cool guy doesn't have to announce 2102 01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:27.880 he's cool, he just is. And typically these owners who 2103 01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:31.479 think they know what they're talking about are not. They 2104 01:36:31.479 --> 01:36:33.800 don't know what they're talking about. I'll give you another example, 2105 01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:37.720 A current example is Matt hb in Phoenix, who I 2106 01:36:37.760 --> 01:36:40.560 would say, legitimately, good thing. I know basketball. I played 2107 01:36:40.920 --> 01:36:43.479 high level V one basketball, I won a national championship. 2108 01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:45.479 I played for Togas, one of the greatest coaches of 2109 01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:48.199 all time. I'm friends with Isaia Namas, I'm friends with 2110 01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:52.000 Jason Register, I'm friends with all these great NBA players, 2111 01:36:52.159 --> 01:36:56.439 Zach Randolph, etcetera, etcetera. So if with anyone who would say, oh, 2112 01:36:56.439 --> 01:36:59.640 I actually know this stuff, it's matt Eshbia, and yet 2113 01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:02.600 that hasn't really turned out great. I'll give you another one. 2114 01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:05.239 And he may have heard of this guy, Michael Jeffrey 2115 01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:08.319 Jordan's son. I say he knew basketball and in any 2116 01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:12.520 of us, but when put in that position to be 2117 01:37:12.560 --> 01:37:16.000 the final saying, he turns out he wasn't that great 2118 01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:20.800 at running a basketball team, because at some point it 2119 01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:24.359 gets in the way. At some point your know it all, 2120 01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:28.800 this gets in the way, and ultimately the best owner 2121 01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:30.399 is the owner that at the end of the year 2122 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:34.000 says this is the number. You can't spend over it, 2123 01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:39.159 and we come to an agreement on what the expectations are. 2124 01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:41.680 And then I don't do anything. I just sit back 2125 01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:43.000 and watch the show. And at the end of the 2126 01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:45.199 year we look at the numbers. We look at like 2127 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:48.640 where we were according to a excerctations. If there are 2128 01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:52.279 things that make us alter the plan midway through, we 2129 01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:55.560 have a conversation about that. But the more your hands 2130 01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:57.359 on and they're sitting on meetings and all that and 2131 01:37:57.439 --> 01:38:00.439 giving your opinion, the more you end up kind of 2132 01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:05.199 what I would like to pay Medio results. 2133 01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:07.239 One more jazz thing, because you're good at this and 2134 01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:09.279 you can make it interesting. There's not a lot of 2135 01:38:09.319 --> 01:38:11.760 things topically with this roster that I really care to 2136 01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:13.800 ask you about, because we all know the deal, we 2137 01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:16.399 all know what they're doing. But this is a fan base, 2138 01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:20.680 as we outlined with nine lottery appearances, it indicates that 2139 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:23.479 this fan base is used to winning basketball. Now, we 2140 01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:26.840 haven't had a championship out here, and if I'm honest, 2141 01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:29.680 we haven't had a championship team here since nineteen ninety 2142 01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:32.680 eight in my opinion, and that was John and Carl's 2143 01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:35.279 best and quite frankly last chance to get it done. 2144 01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:38.119 And of course Mike took rings off their fingers as 2145 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:40.479 he did to our guy, Pat Ewing and Sean Kemp 2146 01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:42.000 and Gary Payton, Charles Barkley. 2147 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:42.800 We could keep going. 2148 01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:45.720 It is a fan base that's used to winning and 2149 01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:50.760 is championship thirsty. What's a reasonable expectation during this process 2150 01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:53.359 where it is askedet accumulation, You hope a young player 2151 01:38:53.479 --> 01:38:55.600 two pops, then you hope you get lottery luck. I mean, 2152 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:58.119 that's as reductive as I can be about what they're 2153 01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:01.680 trying to do. What's in that reason expectation to this 2154 01:39:01.840 --> 01:39:04.319 fan base is to win. Winning basketball might be back 2155 01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:05.159 in Salt Lake City. 2156 01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:09.159 Well, I think then we have to define what winning is. 2157 01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:12.560 Is winning winning a championship? I don't know, maybe never 2158 01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:15.000 I that's something that everyone has to come to grips with, 2159 01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:17.640 every fan in the league except for the Lakers, So 2160 01:39:17.680 --> 01:39:21.960 how do they keep doing it? But everyone else you 2161 01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:24.359 have to come to grips with. If your thing is 2162 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:27.880 my destination championship, you gotta be ready that you may 2163 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:30.079 never see that destination. So what do you want to 2164 01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:34.239 see in the meantime. You want to see growth, you 2165 01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:38.119 want to see improvement, and you want to see standards right. 2166 01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:40.720 And the thing I always go back to Sam Presty 2167 01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:44.680 and Oklahoma City Thunder and comparing contrasting what he did 2168 01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:48.279 versus what Sam Hinky did in Philadelphia. In Philadelphia, Sam 2169 01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:51.039 Hinky said, I need to be terrible so I can 2170 01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:53.640 get all these lottery picks and just be a clearing 2171 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:55.479 house for other people's craft so I could get keep 2172 01:39:55.479 --> 01:39:59.520 getting lottery picks. And uh, he did that by stocking 2173 01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:02.000 his rocks or with players who were not NBA talents. 2174 01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:06.239 No disrespectful guys. They just weren't NBA caliber players. There 2175 01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:08.840 were guys who in a regular situation would never make 2176 01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:11.560 an NBA team, but in this situation, because they're trying 2177 01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:14.119 to be as bad as possible, welcome aboard. And he 2178 01:40:14.199 --> 01:40:16.600 did that over years, and then even as he hit 2179 01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:19.479 on some of his guys, he refused to stock his 2180 01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:23.560 roster with vets. He refused to have any sort of 2181 01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:28.680 semblance of we're going to play competitive, tough basketball. We're 2182 01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:32.439 just gonna get blown out every night. And the contrast 2183 01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:35.159 is the Oklahoma City Thunderwear. Yes they were doing the 2184 01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:37.359 same thing. Yes they're trying to be bad. Yes they 2185 01:40:37.399 --> 01:40:39.159 were getting a lot of their pictures to their cleaning house, 2186 01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:44.520 But beyond hitting on their picks, they maintained the entire 2187 01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:48.199 time this is the standard. The people talk about heat culture. 2188 01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:51.800 They got thunder culture over there, and we have standards 2189 01:40:51.840 --> 01:40:54.279 and we're going to do things the right way. Win 2190 01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:57.119 or lose, it doesn't matter. These are the expectations. And 2191 01:40:57.159 --> 01:41:00.000 so what happens is the players that you have there 2192 01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:03.880 are growing up in a system and in a culture 2193 01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:07.800 that is positive and a winning culture. Despite those standings 2194 01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:10.680 not being that to me, if I'm a bad team 2195 01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:13.159 and if I'm a fan of a bad franchise, that's 2196 01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:15.119 what I want to see. I want to see players 2197 01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:17.600 that execute. I want to see players that defend and 2198 01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:19.600 play both tide of ball. I want to see players 2199 01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:21.920 that are developing and be able to do both. You know, 2200 01:41:22.600 --> 01:41:26.079 multiple things are supposed to being specialists, right, and I 2201 01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:28.520 want to see my team be competitive even if we 2202 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:30.800 win twelve games all year long. I want us to 2203 01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:33.800 be I want us to win twelve games, lose seventy 2204 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:37.560 games by five points, seven points, nine points like I 2205 01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:39.359 wanted to be. I want us to be leading and 2206 01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:41.680 then we blew the lead down the stretch. Like those 2207 01:41:41.720 --> 01:41:45.079 are the type of losses where you can walk away 2208 01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:49.199 and say we had a legitimate chance and either we 2209 01:41:49.279 --> 01:41:52.880 got out talented or we made mistakes of youth that 2210 01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:55.880 we will not make in the future. And if you're Utah, 2211 01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:58.800 that's if you're a jazz on, I think we look 2212 01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:00.960 at this team. You want to see players that play hard. 2213 01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:04.319 You want to see players that are competing, and if 2214 01:42:04.359 --> 01:42:07.720 they're losing due to bad decisions, like when the Collier 2215 01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:11.760 kid waves off Colin Sexton to still get an eight 2216 01:42:11.800 --> 01:42:15.439 second count, you want that to be seared in his brain. 2217 01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:20.000 So I think he becomes a number one time a 2218 01:42:20.119 --> 01:42:22.680 time in sport situation type of player. 2219 01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:26.800 So well, I want to move over here. 2220 01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:30.479 Have we had Tom Haerstrawn and Zach Harper on this 2221 01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:33.920 week and so we've talked to friends of yours, coworkers 2222 01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:37.119 of yours about All Star Weekend, And I think I'm 2223 01:42:37.199 --> 01:42:38.159 just now resigned. 2224 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.199 Look, for thirty years or forty years. 2225 01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:42.840 It was the best pickup basketball game in the world, 2226 01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.359 and it was awesome, and it wasn't every year, and 2227 01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:47.119 they didn't play hard one through forty eight. 2228 01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:47.960 I understand that. 2229 01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:51.199 And the reason why I still bemoan what it's become 2230 01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:53.920 is I miss that what it once was. Is there 2231 01:42:54.039 --> 01:42:55.920 any going back or at this point is it just 2232 01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:59.479 going to be an undigestible weekend regardless of everybody yelling 2233 01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:00.359 about how bad it is. 2234 01:43:02.319 --> 01:43:06.680 There is a going back. Unfortunately, the guy who is 2235 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:10.319 going to do that for us is out for the 2236 01:43:10.359 --> 01:43:13.159 rest of the year with a blood clout. Hopefully he's 2237 01:43:13.199 --> 01:43:16.399 fine next year, but it starts in the locker room. 2238 01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:20.640 All of these fixes that they've tried, elam ending, draft 2239 01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:24.840 your own team, many tournament like, all of these things 2240 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:29.159 they all come down to one simple premise, which is 2241 01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:32.239 the twenty four guys in that locker room, for whatever reason, 2242 01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:36.039 aren't taking it seriously, and so we're going to do 2243 01:43:36.119 --> 01:43:42.159 whatever we can to manufactor something that causes them to 2244 01:43:42.159 --> 01:43:47.560 ticket seriously. I thought the tournament, the basketball part of it, 2245 01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:50.199 the basketball part of it, was an improvement over the 2246 01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:53.199 last three or four years. We got competitive basketball for 2247 01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:56.000 the first time. I thought the rising stars in their game, 2248 01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:59.119 they actually that was the best game of the three 2249 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:02.479 that we saw on Sunday. I thought that the championship 2250 01:44:02.520 --> 01:44:05.920 game was okay, it was decent. I thought the first 2251 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:09.039 game was kind of lackadaisical. But the point is they 2252 01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:14.760 created this gimmick because they wanted guys to burn calories. 2253 01:44:14.840 --> 01:44:17.079 Like you said, we're not asking for one through forty eight. 2254 01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:21.359 We're not asking for Game seven intensity. We're not asker 2255 01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:23.319 for going to be the finals intensity. We're not asking 2256 01:44:23.319 --> 01:44:26.720 for playoff intensity. We're not even asking for regular season intensity. 2257 01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:34.359 Can I get preseason intensity? Preseason A preseason intensity looks 2258 01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:37.760 like basketball people want to watch because here's the deal. 2259 01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:40.039 These are the greatest players in the world. They dribble 2260 01:44:40.079 --> 01:44:41.920 better than anybody else, They shoot better than anybody else. 2261 01:44:41.960 --> 01:44:44.000 They don't on people all that stuff. You know what 2262 01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:49.279 makes that crazy crossover, that crazy three pointer, that crazy 2263 01:44:49.359 --> 01:44:57.920 dunk look cool. It's resistance. Resistance makes Oh he tried 2264 01:44:57.920 --> 01:44:59.960 to stop him and he couldn't. He tried to block it, 2265 01:45:00.119 --> 01:45:04.520 you couldn't. Right the moment you remove resistance, it's just 2266 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:08.560 guys getting shot up before the pickup game starts it again, 2267 01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:11.760 Spencer or maybe at the playground and like we're still 2268 01:45:11.800 --> 01:45:13.439 like we started to figure out what teams are. Guys 2269 01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:15.439 just getting shot up. That's what the altar game has 2270 01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:20.119 become over the last few years. And so until those 2271 01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:25.199 twenty four guys understand, hey, I gottapply a little bit. 2272 01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:29.359 I can't completely treat it like a joke. It's gonna 2273 01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:31.239 stay the way it is, no matter what the format is. 2274 01:45:31.399 --> 01:45:34.279 Yeah, yeah, well said all right, buddy, before I say 2275 01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:36.520 you lose. I have not been able to catch up 2276 01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:40.840 with you since Luke Tancic was traded to the Lakers, 2277 01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:44.880 and look, man, I like everybody else, the alert popped 2278 01:45:44.920 --> 01:45:47.640 on my phone and I said, no, not real, no chance. 2279 01:45:48.279 --> 01:45:50.960 Like everybody else, I texted everybody that I know in 2280 01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:53.119 the league to try to make sense of this and 2281 01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:55.239 we can't. I guess we can be as reductive as that. 2282 01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:58.520 Nico just didn't like Luca and like Zad, I guess 2283 01:45:58.600 --> 01:46:01.359 that that's the deal. I've talked to more than a 2284 01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:04.079 handful of executives that still don't buy it and believe 2285 01:46:04.119 --> 01:46:06.720 there's something that none of us know. One of them said, 2286 01:46:06.720 --> 01:46:08.600 we'll find out in Summer League when we're all together. 2287 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:11.279 It didn't make sense then. It still doesn't make sense 2288 01:46:11.319 --> 01:46:13.680 to me. Now, So your reaction when you saw the 2289 01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:15.439 news and now a few weeks later, where are you 2290 01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:16.479 at with that trade? 2291 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:22.479 Yeah? I saw a DM at All Star weekend and 2292 01:46:22.520 --> 01:46:25.640 the first thing he asked me was what do you 2293 01:46:25.640 --> 01:46:28.680 think happened? Because he couldn't figure it out. We're all 2294 01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:32.199 kind of in the dark, search and trying to make 2295 01:46:32.279 --> 01:46:35.600 sense of nonsense. If we're going to be perfectly honest here, 2296 01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:41.359 I don't know. I think the stuff that has come 2297 01:46:41.399 --> 01:46:45.680 out recently clarify some of it, is that some of 2298 01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:51.119 it is Nico. Nico basically grew up in the NBA 2299 01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:53.800 with Kobe Bryant, or on Kobe Bryant's side. So if 2300 01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:59.039 that's your vision of what a franchise player is I 2301 01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:03.680 can imagine how because not just to be a jarring departure, right, Like, 2302 01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:06.680 that's got to be the crazy like from this guy 2303 01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:09.840 who's a workaholic, waits up at four in the morning 2304 01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:12.880 and you know it doesn't put any poison. So that 2305 01:47:12.920 --> 01:47:18.520 speaking his body to the deer drinking, hookah smoking, lovable, 2306 01:47:18.640 --> 01:47:22.840 affable guy like who's never in shape, Like, it has 2307 01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:27.640 to be a complete departure from everything you believed in. 2308 01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:33.560 Right he got ownership that also has like, you know, 2309 01:47:34.079 --> 01:47:38.119 shaky kind of aspirations. I think you want to talk 2310 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:41.680 about another situation where ownership is kind of meddling. Hearing 2311 01:47:42.760 --> 01:47:47.760 him talk the Patrick Dumont talked to the Dallas Morning 2312 01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:51.039 News and explain kind of his visions and stuff like, 2313 01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:54.439 you're like, oh my god, this guy doesn't sound bright 2314 01:47:54.520 --> 01:47:58.079 at all when it comes to basketball. So I think 2315 01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:00.439 there's a little bit of today. It's always always an 2316 01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:02.920 ownership element in any one of these types of deals. 2317 01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:05.640 I think there's a little bit of Nico Harrison's worldview 2318 01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:10.600 based on his basketball upbringing, and maybe there's something more 2319 01:48:10.640 --> 01:48:14.079 to it than that. If so, like I still go 2320 01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:17.920 back to this, you all these things I named, you 2321 01:48:17.960 --> 01:48:19.680 could tell me Okay, that's why we got to Shae 2322 01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:23.000 Luca Docis. Okay, I see it. I don't agree with it, 2323 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:25.800 but I see it. But the part where your return 2324 01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:29.479 for him is that that's the part where you lose everybody. 2325 01:48:30.119 --> 01:48:32.680 That's the part where you lose everybody. And so I'll 2326 01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:36.439 say it like like we talked about on Basketball Illuminati 2327 01:48:37.840 --> 01:48:40.520 a couple of weeks ago, whatever it was. Once you've 2328 01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:43.920 made up your mind I have to trade this guy, 2329 01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:46.880 which it sounds like they did. Then why do you 2330 01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:49.159 care if it's a secret or not. Why do you 2331 01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:51.319 care if he's uncomfortable enough? Why do you care if 2332 01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:54.720 the fans are upset or not? At that point, then 2333 01:48:54.760 --> 01:48:57.039 you play it to its natural conclusion and try to 2334 01:48:57.039 --> 01:48:58.840 get as much as a sand form. 2335 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:00.439 Why Man? 2336 01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:05.079 I still I still whatever. I actually kind of marinate 2337 01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:06.880 on it. I'm like, I still can't believe you do 2338 01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:09.880 this with a twenty five year old global superstar, not 2339 01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:13.760 just transcending talent, global superstar. But we'll see how it 2340 01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:15.479 plays out. Man, Hey, it's been too long. It's great 2341 01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:16.960 to hear your voice. I'll set you loose, have a 2342 01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:17.439 great weekend. 2343 01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:20.119 Okay, thanks a last night, all right, Amino? 2344 01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:22.760 Hassen spent a number of years in NBA front offices 2345 01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:25.119 with the Knicks and the Sons, and he's been on 2346 01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:27.319 the media side of things for about fifteen years now. 2347 01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:29.640 Busy Guy one of those guys that has like seven 2348 01:49:29.680 --> 01:49:32.760 different podcasts at darth Amine is where you find him 2349 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:34.439 on social He is a Star Wars fan. 2350 01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:37.560 Hey everyone, this is junior to fun. I'll call friends. 2351 01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:40.840 Defensive tackle for the University of Utah football team and football. 2352 01:49:40.880 --> 01:49:43.039 My teammates and I work as a team. 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Attention all riz, 2361 01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:11.600 It's time to check in with Preston, Handy and Garrett 2362 01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:14.000 Handy of Handy and handy for sports court. 2363 01:50:14.199 --> 01:50:17.880 Handy and Handy are your accident and personal injury attorneys. 2364 01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:21.119 Ready to assist with any related questions. You may have 2365 01:50:21.399 --> 01:50:24.960 visit them online at Handy Law Utah dot com. Big 2366 01:50:24.960 --> 01:50:28.439 firm Experience, small firm attention. Now let's get out to 2367 01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:31.199 Sports Court on the Drive with Spence. Check its on 2368 01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:34.920 Utah's number one sports talk ESPN seven hundred. 2369 01:50:36.399 --> 01:50:37.520 It is Sportsport Time. 2370 01:50:37.560 --> 01:50:39.800 We do it every Thursday right about now with our 2371 01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:42.560 good friends over at Handy and Handy Note Garrett. Today 2372 01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:46.439 it's just our guy Preston on a Thursday afternoon. Preston, 2373 01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:48.159 Happy Thursday, sir, how are you. 2374 01:50:48.760 --> 01:50:50.439 Hey, Spence? Happy Thursday? How are you? 2375 01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:51.000 I'm well. 2376 01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:53.520 I appreciate the time today. So we'll start out with 2377 01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:59.239 a situation where Donald Trump's transgender athlete band is now 2378 01:50:59.279 --> 01:51:02.720 facing a f DROL lawsuit. Looks like two teenage girls 2379 01:51:02.720 --> 01:51:07.199 from New Hampshire are legally challenging the executive orders. 2380 01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:08.439 Preston, so fill us in here. 2381 01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:12.720 Yeah, so we know, we know that a few weeks 2382 01:51:12.720 --> 01:51:16.680 ago there was an executive order signed by President Trump 2383 01:51:17.159 --> 01:51:20.920 entitled keeping Men out of Women's Sports. And this is 2384 01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:23.159 no new issue. This is something we've talked about a 2385 01:51:23.199 --> 01:51:26.439 number of time on Sports Court, and as a result 2386 01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:30.239 of these issues, states have enacted a lot of laws, 2387 01:51:30.279 --> 01:51:32.600 including the state of Utah, and a lot of these 2388 01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:38.680 laws essentially there's indicating that transgender women should not be 2389 01:51:38.720 --> 01:51:43.079 playing in men's or in women's sports. And a lot 2390 01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:45.800 of these laws are under fire and there the Utah 2391 01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:50.720 law is being litigated right now. But essentially this executive 2392 01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:54.399 order by Trump. You know, we talked about Title nine 2393 01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:57.479 a lot and discrimination based on gender. Well, Trump's order 2394 01:51:57.479 --> 01:52:02.600 basically says allowing transgender athletes to play is in violation 2395 01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:06.479 Title nine. So what he enacted was saying that any 2396 01:52:06.720 --> 01:52:10.520 entities receiving federal funding need to comply with this and 2397 01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:14.399 abide by five Title nine. And another part was that 2398 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:18.079 if you don't, you could be penalized and lose this funding. 2399 01:52:18.199 --> 01:52:23.239 So a couple of New Hampshire transgender athletes, one a 2400 01:52:23.239 --> 01:52:26.319 tennis player, one a soccer player. Soccer player, they're already 2401 01:52:26.319 --> 01:52:30.439 in litigation and they're litigating a statute in New Hampshire 2402 01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:34.880 basically claiming that it violates a number of constitual rights. 2403 01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:40.000 It's violation of Title nine equal protection discrimination. So it's 2404 01:52:40.039 --> 01:52:43.199 going down the road and the judge in New Hampshire, 2405 01:52:43.199 --> 01:52:47.439 the federal judge in New Hampshire issues at an injunction, 2406 01:52:47.600 --> 01:52:49.880 basically saying we're not going to apply this law right 2407 01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:53.359 now and you're allowed to play for the time being. Well, 2408 01:52:53.399 --> 01:52:55.439 probably getting ahead of it because I think we're going 2409 01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:58.840 to see this. These two girls have now amended their 2410 01:52:59.279 --> 01:53:03.479 lawsuit and decided to include Donald Trump, the United States 2411 01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:05.720 Attorney General, and a bunch of federal officials that have 2412 01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:08.680 been involved in this, including this in it because I 2413 01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:10.680 think they're seeing down the road that well, for challenging 2414 01:53:10.680 --> 01:53:13.520 the state thing, we might as well challenge this at 2415 01:53:13.520 --> 01:53:17.239 this point. And we know there's so many different states 2416 01:53:17.279 --> 01:53:20.199 have different laws, and some states are coming out now 2417 01:53:20.199 --> 01:53:22.600 it's saying that the executive order is and violation of 2418 01:53:22.600 --> 01:53:27.079 their laws. These girls claim that they're in compliance with 2419 01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:30.239 a lot of things because they have puberty blockers, these 2420 01:53:30.319 --> 01:53:33.199 transgender athletes, So it's going to be a hotbed. We 2421 01:53:33.279 --> 01:53:35.000 knew that there was going to be these challenges, and 2422 01:53:35.039 --> 01:53:37.640 I don't think this is the last challenge, of course, 2423 01:53:37.680 --> 01:53:39.560 but they what they've done is they've jumped ahead of 2424 01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:42.960 it and filed lawsuit based on this executive order. 2425 01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:47.039 All right, Moving over now to Ball versus White Sox. 2426 01:53:47.239 --> 01:53:52.319 The former trainer from the White Sox has it looks 2427 01:53:52.359 --> 01:53:55.640 like this discrimination lawsuit has been restored now from what 2428 01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:57.439 I'm reading, Preston, what do we have here? 2429 01:53:58.439 --> 01:54:02.399 Yeah, so this is a t that he was kind 2430 01:54:02.399 --> 01:54:06.039 of there's some downsizing going on with the White Sox organization, 2431 01:54:06.119 --> 01:54:07.560 and it looked like he was going to be let 2432 01:54:07.640 --> 01:54:10.800 go and he was claiming some age discrimination and things 2433 01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:12.560 like that, and so the White Sox they came to 2434 01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:17.000 him and said, hey, you know, we'll essentially pay you 2435 01:54:17.039 --> 01:54:19.399 and buy you out. They so they entered into an agreement, 2436 01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:25.199 and the agreement basically said that he would be paid 2437 01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:27.159 some of the terms that he would be paid for 2438 01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:30.880 a year of pay and for benefits. So he actually 2439 01:54:30.920 --> 01:54:35.239 signed this agreement, and later down the road he found 2440 01:54:35.279 --> 01:54:38.680 out that through someone higher up in the White Sox 2441 01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:41.399 organization that the reason that they were pushing to let 2442 01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:44.720 him go was that he was he is gay. So 2443 01:54:44.760 --> 01:54:46.960 in finding out, he says, oh, hold the phone, So 2444 01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:50.760 he's he filed a lawsuit against the White Sox organization 2445 01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:53.920 and the first defense that the White Sox came back 2446 01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:58.640 to was basically saying, oh, wait a minute, you already 2447 01:54:58.640 --> 01:55:02.000 signed an agreement and we're done here. You this kind 2448 01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:04.920 of covered everything that had you entered into a deal 2449 01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:09.239 with us that addressed what you got paid, you accepted it, 2450 01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:14.520 and you accepted the termination agreement. Well, he got kicked 2451 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:16.560 out of court. It was dismissed based on that. The 2452 01:55:16.680 --> 01:55:19.920 lower court judge agreed with that and ruled that there 2453 01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:22.560 was an agreement and that he couldn't proceed. Well, he 2454 01:55:22.640 --> 01:55:26.640 appealed it, and the appella judges basically said, no, I 2455 01:55:26.720 --> 01:55:29.560 kind of agree with the trainer. His name is Ball. 2456 01:55:30.399 --> 01:55:35.119 He agreed that, you know, the the validity of the 2457 01:55:35.239 --> 01:55:39.039 termination agreement, you know, may have been procured by fraud, 2458 01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:42.079 and that's a question of fact. And so dismissed at 2459 01:55:42.079 --> 01:55:45.439 this time wasn't the right thing to do, saying that 2460 01:55:45.760 --> 01:55:48.199 maybe he entered into this based on a number of 2461 01:55:48.239 --> 01:55:50.880 reasons and based on pressure of hey, I'm going to 2462 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.920 get fired and they when I might as well jump 2463 01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:56.760 into this and take it. But he also pointed out 2464 01:55:56.800 --> 01:56:01.199 an interesting thing that White Sox officials they never refuted 2465 01:56:01.399 --> 01:56:03.439 why he was actually going. They came back and said, well, 2466 01:56:03.439 --> 01:56:05.920 we really don't need to say why he had heerned 2467 01:56:05.960 --> 01:56:07.720 into the agreement. It was a good faith agreement. It 2468 01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:10.680 was an arms length agreement. He accepted the money, accepted 2469 01:56:10.680 --> 01:56:14.520 the benefits, and he was let go. So he's back 2470 01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:17.079 in the game now and we'll see what happens all right. 2471 01:56:17.159 --> 01:56:22.920 Moving over now, this is interesting Georgia, Alabamail their NIL 2472 01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:26.960 bills could face legal challenges because a couple of bills 2473 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:30.439 in those states to exempt college athletes and IL income 2474 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:34.199 from state taxes. Now they're facing a little bit of 2475 01:56:34.239 --> 01:56:37.039 pushback here, but this is something that I think could 2476 01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:42.960 add ramifications following this far reaching beyond these states of 2477 01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:45.359 Georgia and Alabama. If this stuff is kind of pushed through. 2478 01:56:45.439 --> 01:56:47.560 So what's the latest here, give us an update. 2479 01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:52.560 Yeah, so there's no legal challenge to it yet, but 2480 01:56:52.680 --> 01:56:55.800 they're pushing these bills, and essentially these bills, they would 2481 01:56:55.880 --> 01:57:02.880 exempt college athletes from paying state taxes for income they 2482 01:57:03.600 --> 01:57:09.079 earn from NIL money. And looking deep into it, the 2483 01:57:09.119 --> 01:57:13.560 states of Florida, Texas, Tennessee and other states they don't 2484 01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:16.760 have state income tax. And you've got these legislators that 2485 01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:20.000 are big Crimson Tipe fans and Georgia Bulldog fans, and 2486 01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:23.720 they're going, oh, wait a minute, this might hurt us 2487 01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:26.960 in our recruiting battles because if you go to an 2488 01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:29.520 athlete and say, hey, here's your NIL contract, here's the 2489 01:57:29.520 --> 01:57:31.479 money you're gonna make. Oh and by the way, guess what, 2490 01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:33.560 in our state, you don't even have to pay state 2491 01:57:33.600 --> 01:57:38.439 income tax. So Georgia and Alabama are looking into this going, wow, 2492 01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:40.520 we want to have something here that, even though we 2493 01:57:40.560 --> 01:57:42.920 have state income tax, that we cut out a little 2494 01:57:42.920 --> 01:57:46.800 piece for these athletes. And right our man Michael mccannon, 2495 01:57:46.800 --> 01:57:49.600 who does an analysis, he says that there could potentially 2496 01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:52.479 be a legal challenge, and the challenge would be based 2497 01:57:52.520 --> 01:57:58.239 that non college athletes who earn money in various ways 2498 01:57:58.520 --> 01:58:01.720 not through NIL, guess what they have to pay stay taxes. 2499 01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:03.800 And so what they would claim is that this is 2500 01:58:04.079 --> 01:58:07.159 a violation of the Equal Protection Clause and fourteenth Amendment 2501 01:58:07.439 --> 01:58:12.920 in applying these essentially applying laws you know that aren't 2502 01:58:12.960 --> 01:58:16.479 equal equal. You've got one participant here in one participant here, 2503 01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:20.000 and they're not applied equally. So there could be some challenges. 2504 01:58:20.319 --> 01:58:22.319 I don't know who would challenge that. There might be 2505 01:58:22.359 --> 01:58:25.479 a student that's not an athlete coming in challenges to say, hey, 2506 01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:27.960 this is an a fair fight, and I really don't 2507 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:31.920 care about Alabama or Georgia football, but it's interesting that, 2508 01:58:32.479 --> 01:58:35.680 as you pointed out early, that the measures that are 2509 01:58:35.680 --> 01:58:38.640 being taken, and especially because it's a complicated issue and 2510 01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:42.279 we know that Utah has enacted some certain things, not 2511 01:58:42.399 --> 01:58:46.159 exactly on the issue of taxes, but on the issue 2512 01:58:46.159 --> 01:58:49.079 of that these contracts aren't, you know, public record. 2513 01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:51.840 Moving over to a story out of the world of 2514 01:58:51.880 --> 01:58:55.880 pro football, the Arizona Cardinals have won a lawsuit that 2515 01:58:56.079 --> 01:58:59.680 was brought by their former VP, Terry McDonough. 2516 01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:03.439 So this was just ruled upon, I believe today fill 2517 01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:03.760 us in. 2518 01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:10.119 Yeah, So, Terry McDonough was a high official VP of 2519 01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:14.119 player personnel with the Cardinals and he got into a 2520 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:17.319 little bit of a mess with some of the uppers 2521 01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:23.159 and he, you know, and about some burner phones and 2522 01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:25.079 things like that, and you know, it looked like he 2523 01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:27.880 was going to get let go, and so he made 2524 01:59:27.880 --> 01:59:30.840 claims that he was being let go because of age 2525 01:59:30.840 --> 01:59:34.159 discrimination and breach of contract and things like that. And 2526 01:59:34.600 --> 01:59:37.239 the Cardinals, and I don't think they dispute this. They 2527 01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:39.600 took kind of an aggressive position. They hired a pr 2528 01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:42.560 PR firm, and the PR firm came out with some 2529 01:59:43.640 --> 01:59:47.800 what he alleges to some defaming comments about him. Comments 2530 01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:53.640 about his personal life follow fol demeanor, disturbing allegation of 2531 01:59:53.640 --> 01:59:58.520 a domestic violence and responsibility for his kids. And this 2532 01:59:58.680 --> 02:00:00.880 was all kind of a PR thing kind of coming 2533 02:00:00.920 --> 02:00:05.119 at Terry McDonough. And so I think the interesting legal 2534 02:00:05.159 --> 02:00:07.840 issue here is, and there's a couple of inconsistent things 2535 02:00:07.840 --> 02:00:12.119 that he actually did go to arbitration and got an 2536 02:00:12.119 --> 02:00:14.880 award of two point six million, But the other part 2537 02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:17.640 was his lawsuit was dismissed. And here's where it gets 2538 02:00:17.680 --> 02:00:23.159 interesting because we've talked about this with Brian Flores Gruden. 2539 02:00:23.760 --> 02:00:26.479 All kinds of contracts that basically say, hey, if you're 2540 02:00:26.520 --> 02:00:29.680 part of the NFL or part of the NBA, we 2541 02:00:29.760 --> 02:00:32.800 have an agreement that these kind of disputes they're not 2542 02:00:32.840 --> 02:00:35.000 going to hit the courts. They got to be submitted 2543 02:00:35.039 --> 02:00:38.039 to arbitration. That's just better for our organizations. And we 2544 02:00:38.079 --> 02:00:41.319 see those a lot. And basically his claim was, and 2545 02:00:41.359 --> 02:00:44.279 I think it's a pretty interesting claim. He's saying, wait 2546 02:00:44.319 --> 02:00:47.199 a minute, but this is my claim against a PR firm, 2547 02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:49.760 and they don't have privity a contract, they're not part 2548 02:00:49.800 --> 02:00:53.239 of the contracts with the league, and they're the ones 2549 02:00:53.279 --> 02:00:55.600 that brought it. But the judge kicked them out, and 2550 02:00:55.640 --> 02:00:59.479 his daughter and wife both brought lawsuits and he kicked 2551 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:04.840 them out, basically saying that these contracts, that these pr 2552 02:01:04.920 --> 02:01:08.439 firms are agents of the organization in this case, the 2553 02:01:09.960 --> 02:01:14.079 Arizona Cardinals, and that this protection extends to them, and 2554 02:01:14.159 --> 02:01:15.760 so he kicked them out of court with that. So 2555 02:01:16.520 --> 02:01:22.439 these arbitration agreements and these arbitration clauses, they they're far reaching. 2556 02:01:22.640 --> 02:01:24.239 And he just saw that he's kicked out of court. 2557 02:01:24.239 --> 02:01:25.159 We'll see if he appeals. 2558 02:01:25.439 --> 02:01:29.199 All right, final one for today, And you know, I 2559 02:01:29.279 --> 02:01:33.840 hate to dispense any advice to burglars who potentially could 2560 02:01:33.840 --> 02:01:37.319 be listening to the show today, but maybe don't post 2561 02:01:37.439 --> 02:01:39.960 pictures of the things that you stole from the house 2562 02:01:40.399 --> 02:01:44.319 that you stole them from Joe Burrow's. Last week, picture 2563 02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:48.239 surfaced of the guy who stole the merchandise from Joe 2564 02:01:48.279 --> 02:01:49.039 Burrow's house. 2565 02:01:49.079 --> 02:01:51.079 He posted pictures of himself. 2566 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:58.640 Online wearing Burrows like Jersey and his chain. I believe 2567 02:01:58.680 --> 02:02:03.239 his die in Shane and now the burglars in the 2568 02:02:03.279 --> 02:02:06.800 case of both Travis Kelcey and Patrick Mahomes situations have 2569 02:02:07.399 --> 02:02:11.239 done the same thing. And obviously the Feds are on 2570 02:02:11.319 --> 02:02:13.439 the case. What can you tell us about this. It 2571 02:02:13.479 --> 02:02:15.439 looks like it's becoming a trend, and not a very 2572 02:02:15.479 --> 02:02:16.079 smart one. 2573 02:02:16.960 --> 02:02:19.000 No, I think it is a trend, and I think 2574 02:02:19.560 --> 02:02:23.000 what's interesting, as you mentioned Joe Burrow, we talked about 2575 02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:25.720 last week, and this week it comes out this happened 2576 02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:29.600 in October. But both Mahomes and Kelsey their homes were 2577 02:02:29.600 --> 02:02:34.680 broken into in October. And what is happening is this 2578 02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:41.680 Chilean ring of burglars. They are identifying when these athletes 2579 02:02:41.720 --> 02:02:43.640 are going to be out of their homes. They know 2580 02:02:43.720 --> 02:02:45.359 that they're going to be on the road in a game, 2581 02:02:45.920 --> 02:02:49.000 and in both these cases, Mahomes and Kelsey were out. 2582 02:02:49.039 --> 02:02:54.399 Bobby Portis is also noted in this. And they're sophisticated 2583 02:02:54.439 --> 02:02:58.079 in that way, and they're sophisticated in getting into these homes, 2584 02:02:58.079 --> 02:03:02.039 but you know they're not sophisticated in taking selfies and 2585 02:03:02.079 --> 02:03:05.960 posting them. Because there's a funny one here. And Garrett, 2586 02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:08.680 who's looked at these, he says some of the same guys. 2587 02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:13.640 And these guys are in chiefs jerseys and T shirts 2588 02:03:13.640 --> 02:03:17.840 and holding stacks of watches and different things, and their 2589 02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:21.680 smiles are pretty wide. So the FEDS, the FBI got 2590 02:03:21.680 --> 02:03:24.920 a warrant. And now these guys have been arrested legal 2591 02:03:24.960 --> 02:03:28.640 immigrants and they've been charged with conspiracy to commit interstate 2592 02:03:28.680 --> 02:03:33.359 transportation of stolen property and they said in excess of 2593 02:03:33.399 --> 02:03:34.640 two million dollars in valuable. 2594 02:03:35.079 --> 02:03:39.039 Absolute morons, you know, my goodness, gracious all right, I 2595 02:03:39.079 --> 02:03:41.840 prest him before I set you loose on this Thursday. 2596 02:03:41.880 --> 02:03:43.840 For any of our listeners have any legal questions, how 2597 02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:45.800 can they get ahold of you over at Handy and Handy. 2598 02:03:46.560 --> 02:03:48.319 Yes, Spence, we love coming on here with you and 2599 02:03:48.359 --> 02:03:51.840 talking about these interesting legal issues in the world of sports, 2600 02:03:51.880 --> 02:03:57.640 even numbskulls who are posting things on social media. But 2601 02:03:57.960 --> 02:03:59.399 we'd love to hear from anyone out there and help 2602 02:03:59.439 --> 02:04:01.520 you with your legal issues, especially if you have a 2603 02:04:01.560 --> 02:04:03.960 personal injury case. Give us a callity zero one two 2604 02:04:04.000 --> 02:04:07.039 sixty four six six seven seven or jump on our 2605 02:04:07.039 --> 02:04:08.880 website at Handy Law Utah dot com. 2606 02:04:08.920 --> 02:04:11.000 Preston, thank you, my friend. Have a great weekend. It 2607 02:04:11.039 --> 02:04:12.000 has always go us. 2608 02:04:12.960 --> 02:04:14.159 Thanks past all. 2609 02:04:14.119 --> 02:04:16.640 Right's Preston Handy for the law firm of Handy and Handy. 2610 02:04:18.079 --> 02:04:23.239 What is going through these idiots, numb skull dull brain 2611 02:04:23.399 --> 02:04:26.319 like the one thing you just didn't need to do 2612 02:04:26.399 --> 02:04:26.960 and you would have. 2613 02:04:26.880 --> 02:04:27.920 Been able to get away with it. 2614 02:04:27.960 --> 02:04:31.119 Is not post pictures of yourself online wearing Joe Burrow's 2615 02:04:31.199 --> 02:04:36.439 chain or wearing Patrick mahomes jersey in his watch like 2616 02:04:36.520 --> 02:04:39.000 this is look. I mean, let's start at the beginning. 2617 02:04:39.920 --> 02:04:43.359 Rule number one, don't do that. Rule number one, don't 2618 02:04:43.399 --> 02:04:47.199 steal from other people, and don't burglarize homes. So let's 2619 02:04:47.239 --> 02:04:48.840 just start there, and there's a period at the end 2620 02:04:48.840 --> 02:04:51.279 of that sentence. Yeah, but if you decide to dabble 2621 02:04:51.720 --> 02:04:53.720 and you want to get away with it, maybe don't 2622 02:04:53.760 --> 02:04:56.560 post pictures of yourself online wearing the things that you 2623 02:04:56.600 --> 02:04:58.680 stole from the famous people you stole them from. 2624 02:04:58.880 --> 02:05:04.039 It doesn't seem like quite the uh, the smartest strategy, right. 2625 02:05:04.319 --> 02:05:06.800 I think the picture one of them posted had Joe 2626 02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:10.560 Burrow's jersey and it had like the authentic official NFL 2627 02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:14.279 game warn thing on it. Some of it was jewelry 2628 02:05:14.279 --> 02:05:16.800 that was like custom jewelry. Right, you're not gonna find 2629 02:05:16.800 --> 02:05:20.239 it in a store somewhere. It's made for a specific person. 2630 02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:21.760 You're not gonna be able to hide it. 2631 02:05:23.399 --> 02:05:23.600 Yeah. 2632 02:05:23.600 --> 02:05:24.760 I'm not gonna tell you what to do with your 2633 02:05:24.800 --> 02:05:27.800 free time. But if you do decide to dabble in 2634 02:05:29.000 --> 02:05:32.760 b an e. Yeah, maybe don't take pictures. 2635 02:05:32.840 --> 02:05:35.720 The official stance of the show is to strongly encourage 2636 02:05:35.720 --> 02:05:38.520 people to not do this. Okay, that's the official stance 2637 02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:41.640 of the show. Sorry, But ultimately, as he said, if 2638 02:05:41.680 --> 02:05:44.920 you are going to dabble in this potential new hobby, 2639 02:05:45.439 --> 02:05:48.000 maybe don't do that. It kind of reminds me it's 2640 02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:50.560 a different situation. But remember during the draft process and 2641 02:05:50.560 --> 02:05:52.880 when there was a rumor like, hey, there's a video 2642 02:05:52.960 --> 02:05:55.840 going around of Larry me Tonsul and he has a 2643 02:05:55.880 --> 02:05:59.800 bong attached to his face through a gas mask, and 2644 02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:02.479 Huns was like, it's totally not me because the initial 2645 02:06:02.560 --> 02:06:05.119 video was just some dude in a gas mask hitting 2646 02:06:05.159 --> 02:06:07.680 a bong, and Laraimie Tonsil was like, it's not me. 2647 02:06:08.319 --> 02:06:10.319 And then the second video came out and the dude 2648 02:06:10.399 --> 02:06:14.520 lifted up the mask and it's it's entirely Laramie Tunsel. 2649 02:06:14.960 --> 02:06:17.720 It was, uh, like, don't put a video online of 2650 02:06:17.800 --> 02:06:20.159 you smoking a bong through a gas mask the week 2651 02:06:20.199 --> 02:06:21.359 before you're getting drafted. 2652 02:06:21.439 --> 02:06:23.840 Dude, It's not that hard, wasn't it? His dad? His 2653 02:06:23.960 --> 02:06:26.960 jealous dad is that wasn't that? The story really I 2654 02:06:27.039 --> 02:06:29.119 think so. I honestly don't remember who posted it. 2655 02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:31.359 I just was laughing because he's like, it's not me, 2656 02:06:31.439 --> 02:06:33.399 because the first video was only a dude in a 2657 02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:35.520 gas mask smoking a bong and tonsil and his raps. 2658 02:06:35.560 --> 02:06:36.760 You're like, it's not him, it's not me. 2659 02:06:36.880 --> 02:06:38.439 Yeah, I do, I do remember that, but I think 2660 02:06:38.439 --> 02:06:40.600 it came out later that. The way it got out 2661 02:06:40.840 --> 02:06:43.119 was someone in his family that was like not stoked 2662 02:06:43.119 --> 02:06:44.199 that he was successful. 2663 02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:44.560 I don't know. 2664 02:06:44.600 --> 02:06:46.239 I just know the next day the video came out 2665 02:06:46.239 --> 02:06:50.439 of him removing the gas mask and it's like, that's you, dude, 2666 02:06:50.880 --> 02:06:52.479 And at that point he's like, yeah, I guess it's me. 2667 02:06:52.560 --> 02:06:54.680 And he still got drafted and he's still awesome at football. 2668 02:06:54.880 --> 02:06:58.920 But you know, all right, snowy and cold Chilli Thursday 2669 02:06:59.119 --> 02:07:02.199 afternoon slash evening, five o'clock hour of the program gets 2670 02:07:02.199 --> 02:07:03.359 wrong right about now. 2671 02:07:04.039 --> 02:07:07.159 Don't forget. We are one hour away from. 2672 02:07:07.039 --> 02:07:12.439 The Four Nations Face Off Championship live in Boston, and 2673 02:07:12.479 --> 02:07:15.319 we're also one hour away from the Craig Smith Coaches Show, 2674 02:07:15.359 --> 02:07:18.119 So keep in mind. We will join the Four Nations 2675 02:07:18.199 --> 02:07:21.600 Face Off Championship in progress here on the station coming 2676 02:07:21.680 --> 02:07:23.960 up at about seven o'clock, but it will get going 2677 02:07:24.039 --> 02:07:26.279 at six o'clock right after we say good night. But 2678 02:07:26.359 --> 02:07:29.520 Craig Smith, Bill Riley the Coaches show for you, so 2679 02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:32.159 stay tuned for that five o'clock hour of the program. 2680 02:07:32.199 --> 02:07:33.760 Tonight is brought to you by our good friends at 2681 02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:36.279 Burt Brothers. 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The second half of 2699 02:08:30.359 --> 02:08:33.399 the season for the Utah Jazz begins tomorrow night as 2700 02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:36.359 they welcome in Oklahoma City. Second half of the season 2701 02:08:36.439 --> 02:08:39.159 technically got going last night. It was a rescheduled game 2702 02:08:39.159 --> 02:08:42.239 between the Lakers and the Hornets. The Lakers lost now 2703 02:08:42.279 --> 02:08:44.439 one and two with both Lebron and Luca. They've lost 2704 02:08:44.439 --> 02:08:46.479 back to back games, one to the Jazz here in 2705 02:08:46.560 --> 02:08:49.079 Salt Lake and the other the Hornets last night, and 2706 02:08:49.119 --> 02:08:51.279 they've been getting smoked. It looks like Luca is gonna 2707 02:08:51.279 --> 02:08:54.920 sit tonight against Portland, but the Jazz in action. Of course, 2708 02:08:54.960 --> 02:08:57.319 the piece of news that most people have been reacting 2709 02:08:57.359 --> 02:09:01.920 to today is that Victor Wembanyama, the young rising global 2710 02:09:02.039 --> 02:09:06.239 superstar not just a superstar global superstar for the San 2711 02:09:06.279 --> 02:09:09.039 Antonio Spurs, has been shut down for the rest of 2712 02:09:09.079 --> 02:09:12.520 the season over a blood clot which is in his shoulder. 2713 02:09:12.600 --> 02:09:16.439 Now there is precedent here in pro basketball with other 2714 02:09:16.479 --> 02:09:19.960 players suffering from blood clots. The first thought I had 2715 02:09:20.079 --> 02:09:23.239 was Chris Bosh. Essentially his career was over ended by 2716 02:09:23.279 --> 02:09:26.319 a blood clot. And of course we're all hoping anybody 2717 02:09:26.319 --> 02:09:30.279 who loves pro basketball, cares about pro basketball, hoping this 2718 02:09:30.359 --> 02:09:34.079 young man will not have his trajectory derailed as a 2719 02:09:34.119 --> 02:09:37.720 result of this situation. It ended Chris Bosh's career. I'm 2720 02:09:37.800 --> 02:09:40.199 in Thompson last year in Detroit, his rookie year, had 2721 02:09:40.199 --> 02:09:42.520 a blood clot issue. He's good now and he's playing 2722 02:09:42.560 --> 02:09:46.039 well and he looks healthy. Brandon Ingram probably most famously 2723 02:09:46.079 --> 02:09:48.680 because he had a similar situation of Victor women Yama 2724 02:09:49.079 --> 02:09:51.439 also had a blood clot and had to be shut down. 2725 02:09:51.439 --> 02:09:54.039 And he came back and he's been fine. And this 2726 02:09:54.119 --> 02:09:57.319 is a health thing. It's not a basketball thing. According 2727 02:09:57.319 --> 02:09:59.119 to what I've read and heard today, when it comes 2728 02:09:59.119 --> 02:10:01.239 to a blood clot like this, it has to be 2729 02:10:01.680 --> 02:10:04.920 treated immediately, and as an athlete, you are shut down 2730 02:10:05.039 --> 02:10:08.159 right away and not allowed to really start hitting it 2731 02:10:08.239 --> 02:10:11.239 hard with the trick comeback and the physical therapy whatever else. 2732 02:10:11.279 --> 02:10:14.840 It is for an entire six months. So if you're 2733 02:10:14.880 --> 02:10:18.000 the san Antonio Spurs. You're looking at potentially not even 2734 02:10:18.039 --> 02:10:20.920 having Victor women Yama maybe for the start of next year. Now. 2735 02:10:20.920 --> 02:10:21.720 I don't know that. 2736 02:10:21.840 --> 02:10:25.199 I'm not reporting it because the Spurs are very confident 2737 02:10:25.239 --> 02:10:27.199 that this is an isolated thing and that's something that 2738 02:10:27.239 --> 02:10:30.359 could cause long term issues. But we'll have to see 2739 02:10:30.439 --> 02:10:32.039 Victor women Yama out for the rest of the year. 2740 02:10:32.119 --> 02:10:34.720 Has been shut down San Antonio right now twenty three 2741 02:10:34.760 --> 02:10:37.840 and twenty nine, so they're technically still in the mix. 2742 02:10:37.880 --> 02:10:40.000 They're about three and a half four games behind the 2743 02:10:40.039 --> 02:10:43.520 Warriors and the Kings for the final playing spot, but 2744 02:10:43.600 --> 02:10:46.800 they're also now potentially in the mix to simply do 2745 02:10:46.840 --> 02:10:49.279 what they've always done, and that is lose on purpose 2746 02:10:49.319 --> 02:10:51.920 when there's a great player available, and they have a 2747 02:10:51.960 --> 02:10:55.000 tremendous amount of draft flexibility and draft capital moving forward. 2748 02:10:55.039 --> 02:10:58.199 I would not be surprised if the San Antonio Spurs 2749 02:10:58.239 --> 02:11:02.159 and rcbuford elect to do what they can to improve 2750 02:11:02.279 --> 02:11:05.439 their lottery odds and maybe who knows, have more lottery 2751 02:11:05.520 --> 02:11:08.399 luck as they have three different times in their career 2752 02:11:08.640 --> 02:11:12.640 as a pro basketball organization with David Robinson, Tim Duncan 2753 02:11:12.680 --> 02:11:14.680 and now Victor wemen Yama. Can you imagine if the 2754 02:11:14.720 --> 02:11:17.760 Spurs on lottery night lucked into the number one pick 2755 02:11:17.800 --> 02:11:20.560 and just added Cooper Flag next to Victor wemen Yama. 2756 02:11:20.840 --> 02:11:22.960 So that's the big news out of the world of 2757 02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:26.399 pro basketball today. Of course, the four Nations face off tonight, 2758 02:11:27.359 --> 02:11:31.279 US Canada Round two. Really excited for this game, Excited 2759 02:11:31.279 --> 02:11:32.800 to head home and watch it and you guys can 2760 02:11:32.800 --> 02:11:35.479 listen to it here on the Station US. 2761 02:11:35.520 --> 02:11:36.960 With their win. With the US win. 2762 02:11:36.920 --> 02:11:40.239 Over Canada on Saturday of last week on the fifteenth, 2763 02:11:40.640 --> 02:11:44.760 they ended a bunch of notable Canadian hockey win streaks. 2764 02:11:44.800 --> 02:11:47.600 They had won twenty six straight hockey games with Sidney 2765 02:11:47.600 --> 02:11:51.680 Crosby in the lineup, they had won thirteen straight games. 2766 02:11:52.079 --> 02:11:55.960 When it comes to playing against other NHL players, they 2767 02:11:55.960 --> 02:11:58.399 had won seventeen straight best on best games. 2768 02:11:58.399 --> 02:11:59.439 And that's what tonight is. 2769 02:12:00.319 --> 02:12:03.279 So we'll see how it goes down. Both Construck brothers 2770 02:12:03.279 --> 02:12:07.960 are going to play. Both of these teams have excellent goalies. 2771 02:12:08.039 --> 02:12:12.680 Both of these teams have big time motivation as far 2772 02:12:12.720 --> 02:12:15.760 as you know, wanting to get this done now. Saturday's 2773 02:12:15.800 --> 02:12:19.880 game was in Montreal. Montreal, of course, has a one 2774 02:12:19.960 --> 02:12:23.520 hundred year, one hundred plus year hockey history Boston, where 2775 02:12:23.560 --> 02:12:27.359 the matchup will be tonight, is a excellent domestic hockey city, 2776 02:12:28.039 --> 02:12:30.279 and by all accounts, this is one of the toughest 2777 02:12:30.279 --> 02:12:33.520 tickets that we've seen in a long long time. I'm 2778 02:12:33.560 --> 02:12:35.279 not sure that we're going to see the same type 2779 02:12:35.279 --> 02:12:38.239 of intensity and atmosphere in Boston as we did in Montreal. 2780 02:12:38.359 --> 02:12:41.760 Neil Smith joined the program yesterday and gave us a 2781 02:12:41.760 --> 02:12:44.640 good breakdown of what to expect tonight. But the ticket 2782 02:12:44.680 --> 02:12:47.680 situation is this. According to vivid Seats, the average listed 2783 02:12:47.720 --> 02:12:51.319 ticket price for the Four Nations Faceoff Championship game has 2784 02:12:51.359 --> 02:12:55.880 skyrocketed by one hundred and thirty seven percent since the 2785 02:12:55.960 --> 02:12:59.880 game was played last Saturday, US Canada on February the fifteenth. 2786 02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:03.399 The average ticket price for this game tonight on that day. 2787 02:13:03.479 --> 02:13:06.119 Prior to the game was nine hundred and ninety dollars. 2788 02:13:06.520 --> 02:13:08.720 The average ticket price for the game tonight now is 2789 02:13:08.800 --> 02:13:13.359 two thousand, four hundred dollars, so a massive jump. PK 2790 02:13:13.479 --> 02:13:16.960 sue Band was reporting earlier on ESPN that a lot 2791 02:13:16.960 --> 02:13:21.279 of his peers in the NHL, like current NHL players, 2792 02:13:21.359 --> 02:13:23.239 have reached out through reps to try to get a 2793 02:13:23.239 --> 02:13:25.600 ticket to the game, and they've been turned away, So 2794 02:13:25.880 --> 02:13:27.000 this should be a lot of fun. 2795 02:13:27.039 --> 02:13:28.880 There's not a ton going on tonight. 2796 02:13:28.880 --> 02:13:31.039 There's a little bit of NBA action, there's some college 2797 02:13:31.039 --> 02:13:34.720 basketball as well, Jazz and action tomorrow. No real local 2798 02:13:34.760 --> 02:13:37.319 teams in college basketball action tonight. I would imagine this 2799 02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:39.800 is going to pull a big number, maybe even close 2800 02:13:39.840 --> 02:13:43.399 to ten million people. It's interesting to hear how the 2801 02:13:43.439 --> 02:13:46.920 coverage has been handled by media members that don't talk 2802 02:13:46.960 --> 02:13:49.680 about hockey a ton But I thought PK sue Band 2803 02:13:49.680 --> 02:13:54.279 today gave a really interesting diatribe and certainly PK was 2804 02:13:54.279 --> 02:13:59.279 taking advantage of his platform to probably pull off a 2805 02:13:59.279 --> 02:14:02.119 little bit of perform Orman's art to motivate people to 2806 02:14:02.159 --> 02:14:04.119 continue to watch hockey. I mean, this has been a 2807 02:14:04.159 --> 02:14:06.600 real boom for this sport, and it's kind of fun 2808 02:14:06.600 --> 02:14:08.880 that we're actually a hockey town with the Utah Hockey 2809 02:14:08.920 --> 02:14:12.840 Club here and so PK suban, it's online, it's everywhere. 2810 02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:17.600 Really did an interesting job breaking down the dichotomy between 2811 02:14:17.680 --> 02:14:22.640 NBA players and NHL players and utilize this opportunity to 2812 02:14:22.720 --> 02:14:26.840 basically speak to consumers and say, as I'm paraphrasing here, 2813 02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:29.399 if you want to watch a sport, if you want 2814 02:14:29.399 --> 02:14:31.880 to watch a game, If you want to watch a 2815 02:14:31.960 --> 02:14:35.399 situation where a league actually employees players that care to 2816 02:14:35.439 --> 02:14:38.039 show up on time for work and play hard, watch 2817 02:14:38.199 --> 02:14:40.560 NHL Hockey. Because these guys do, they show up, They 2818 02:14:40.640 --> 02:14:43.880 play through injury, injuries, and we've heard Brendan Hagu, We've 2819 02:14:43.920 --> 02:14:46.039 heard a lot of these players talk about playing for 2820 02:14:46.159 --> 02:14:49.840 your flag and not playing for the camera, and caring 2821 02:14:49.880 --> 02:14:51.359 about both club and country. 2822 02:14:51.399 --> 02:14:52.720 It's a little soccer that way. 2823 02:14:53.479 --> 02:14:56.319 But these guys tonight showing up and playing with passion, 2824 02:14:56.359 --> 02:15:00.000 playing hard and playing for as cliche as it sounds, 2825 02:15:00.119 --> 02:15:01.720 what's on the front of the chest, not the name 2826 02:15:01.800 --> 02:15:05.840 on the back of the sweater, right, playing for your country, 2827 02:15:05.880 --> 02:15:09.800 playing for the flat, playing for pride, and not wanting 2828 02:15:09.840 --> 02:15:13.520 to lose to those dudes. I do not anticipate that 2829 02:15:13.600 --> 02:15:15.479 we will see a bunch of fights right out of 2830 02:15:15.520 --> 02:15:17.520 the gates. I don't think that's going to be the case. 2831 02:15:18.159 --> 02:15:20.800 And typically in pro hockey, like a Stanley Cup final 2832 02:15:20.880 --> 02:15:23.640 or a Stanley Cup playoff Game seven or what have you, 2833 02:15:23.640 --> 02:15:25.399 you don't see a lot of fights when there's a 2834 02:15:25.399 --> 02:15:27.720 lot on the line. Simply put, you can't have your 2835 02:15:27.720 --> 02:15:29.960 best players sitting in the penalty box and the Kachuck 2836 02:15:30.039 --> 02:15:34.479 brothers are too good to be sitting outside of the action. 2837 02:15:34.680 --> 02:15:35.720 They need to be involved. 2838 02:15:35.720 --> 02:15:39.840 And that's why most hockey teams have enforcers that aren't. 2839 02:15:39.720 --> 02:15:40.560 Very good at hockey. 2840 02:15:40.720 --> 02:15:42.560 Quite frankly, if I could be a little harsh, like 2841 02:15:43.119 --> 02:15:45.880 Spicy Tuna, our guy Lim O'Brien was, he a fourth 2842 02:15:45.920 --> 02:15:49.640 string forward and he's brought on basically to throw hands 2843 02:15:50.199 --> 02:15:53.159 because you don't want Dylan Gunther or Clayton Keller sitting 2844 02:15:53.199 --> 02:15:54.920 in the penalty box. But you're okay if our guys, 2845 02:15:54.920 --> 02:15:57.000 Spicy Tune is chilling over there for a few minutes. 2846 02:15:57.439 --> 02:16:01.479 So Conter Hellibuck is the goalie or the Team USA, 2847 02:16:01.680 --> 02:16:04.560 and right now he might be the best goalie in 2848 02:16:04.720 --> 02:16:09.279 the world. And there's a lot of information out there 2849 02:16:09.319 --> 02:16:12.640 that indicates maybe if there is a fight, like, is 2850 02:16:12.680 --> 02:16:17.439 Connor going to challenge Jordan Bidnington, the polarizing figure who 2851 02:16:17.520 --> 02:16:20.760 is the goalie for the World Canada team as they 2852 02:16:20.800 --> 02:16:24.279 call them now. Jordan has interesting experience in Boston. In 2853 02:16:24.319 --> 02:16:27.319 twenty nineteen, he was the goalie for the Saint Louis 2854 02:16:27.359 --> 02:16:30.239 Blues and they went up to Boston and played a 2855 02:16:30.279 --> 02:16:34.719 game seven and won, and Jordan was amazing and he 2856 02:16:34.799 --> 02:16:37.680 has experience with this club, or excuse me, he has 2857 02:16:37.760 --> 02:16:42.719 experience with this city, has experience playing hockey in Boston 2858 02:16:42.840 --> 02:16:45.799 in front of crazy fans. And we have the pregame 2859 02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:48.319 coverage pulled up on the television in the studio and 2860 02:16:48.360 --> 02:16:52.440 they are showing the fans outside of the stadium in Boston. 2861 02:16:52.520 --> 02:16:55.239 It looks like it is going to be wild, looks 2862 02:16:55.239 --> 02:16:57.559 like it's going to be intense. And you will watch 2863 02:16:57.559 --> 02:17:00.399 a game tonight with players who seem to care as 2864 02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:03.079 opposed to what we've seen from NBA basketball, not just 2865 02:17:03.120 --> 02:17:06.040 in the All Star weekend situation, but throughout the course 2866 02:17:06.079 --> 02:17:08.440 of most of the regular season. And it's not entirely 2867 02:17:08.440 --> 02:17:10.719 fair to put all this on the players, but it 2868 02:17:10.799 --> 02:17:14.120 was interesting the way PK suband decided to handle his 2869 02:17:14.200 --> 02:17:15.440 opportunity today. 2870 02:17:16.040 --> 02:17:17.239 It's pretty rare. 2871 02:17:17.239 --> 02:17:20.559 Then on you know the ESPN shows like Get Up, First, 2872 02:17:20.600 --> 02:17:23.559 Take whatever it is that they delve into hockey storylines 2873 02:17:23.639 --> 02:17:26.559 unless there's absolutely nothing else going on. It was like 2874 02:17:26.639 --> 02:17:28.799 in the A block for Sports Center, like the B 2875 02:17:28.799 --> 02:17:32.079 block for some of the big time ESPN you know, 2876 02:17:32.159 --> 02:17:36.000 you know products the shows they run throughout the course 2877 02:17:36.040 --> 02:17:37.600 of the morning to get you ready for the world 2878 02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:40.680 in sports and talk about things topically, and everybody was 2879 02:17:40.719 --> 02:17:44.079 talking about the four nations faceoff. So the championship game 2880 02:17:44.120 --> 02:17:47.079 will be tonight again. It starts at six o'clock and 2881 02:17:47.120 --> 02:17:50.200 we will join it in progress at seven o'clock after 2882 02:17:50.239 --> 02:17:51.479 the Craig Smith Coaches Show. 2883 02:17:51.879 --> 02:17:52.399 Real quick. 2884 02:17:53.079 --> 02:17:55.040 I found this interesting and we brought it up a 2885 02:17:55.079 --> 02:17:58.040 little bit earlier because, of course, the college football landscape 2886 02:17:58.040 --> 02:17:59.840 in this market is something where people are always in 2887 02:17:59.840 --> 02:18:03.719 a tested in college football storylines. Well, Texas and USC 2888 02:18:04.799 --> 02:18:09.440 have joined Nebraska in canceling their spring games. So Steve Sarkisian, 2889 02:18:10.200 --> 02:18:13.280 who just signed a new deal by the way, indicated 2890 02:18:13.520 --> 02:18:16.000 that this is a time that he is now going 2891 02:18:16.040 --> 02:18:19.440 to utilize to make sure his players stay healthy. I 2892 02:18:19.639 --> 02:18:23.319 just have to wonder Texas, USC, Nebraska the spring games. 2893 02:18:23.360 --> 02:18:25.760 I have to wonder whether or not this is going 2894 02:18:25.840 --> 02:18:27.920 to turn into a thing, because if we call it 2895 02:18:27.959 --> 02:18:31.639 how it is, the spring game now at the University 2896 02:18:31.680 --> 02:18:35.680 of Utah is simply an exhibition and a lot of 2897 02:18:35.680 --> 02:18:37.000 the better players don't play it. 2898 02:18:37.079 --> 02:18:37.680 Look, I get it. 2899 02:18:37.719 --> 02:18:40.840 I'm not pushing back on it, and certainly if your coach, wait, 2900 02:18:41.000 --> 02:18:43.520 if you're the University of Utah, the past couple of 2901 02:18:43.639 --> 02:18:46.760 years have led to a lot of PTSD when it 2902 02:18:46.760 --> 02:18:48.479 comes to the health of your roster. So if you 2903 02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:50.879 want to take a break from the spring game as 2904 02:18:50.879 --> 02:18:53.239 a result of wanting your players to be right for 2905 02:18:53.280 --> 02:18:55.200 the season, I'm not sure anybody would have a big 2906 02:18:55.239 --> 02:18:57.680 issue with it. Obviously, it's a bummer if it goes 2907 02:18:57.719 --> 02:19:00.440 away because it's just simply fun to topically have something 2908 02:19:00.440 --> 02:19:03.000 to discuss in the spring as we're all looking at 2909 02:19:03.040 --> 02:19:06.399 to the fall when college football gets real. But Florida 2910 02:19:06.440 --> 02:19:09.120 State also canceled its spring game this year. Now, that 2911 02:19:09.239 --> 02:19:12.879 was because of renovations to Dope Campbell, but Mike Norbell 2912 02:19:12.959 --> 02:19:14.760 is indicated he doesn't think it's coming back at all. 2913 02:19:14.799 --> 02:19:18.639 So Texas, USC, Nebraska, Florida State all canceling their spring 2914 02:19:18.680 --> 02:19:19.680 games in the world. 2915 02:19:19.479 --> 02:19:20.280 Of college football. 2916 02:19:20.639 --> 02:19:23.719 The final segment of the show for this Thursday, you'll 2917 02:19:23.760 --> 02:19:26.879 hear from Bill Riley Craig Smith talk a little Utah 2918 02:19:26.959 --> 02:19:30.719 men's basketball. It's been a positive stretch for the Utes. 2919 02:19:31.079 --> 02:19:34.040 They've played well, a couple of wins over the Kansas teams. 2920 02:19:34.520 --> 02:19:37.799 Still blows my mind that Kansas, the Kansas Jayhawks rolled 2921 02:19:37.799 --> 02:19:40.440 into the state of Utah and took two wells and 2922 02:19:40.479 --> 02:19:43.079 never let didn't lead the Utes for a minute, didn't 2923 02:19:43.159 --> 02:19:45.680 lead the Utes for a second, nor did they lead 2924 02:19:45.719 --> 02:19:50.159 the Cougars for any portion of that game. The Utes 2925 02:19:50.200 --> 02:19:53.000 are back on the road, coming up on the twenty 2926 02:19:53.040 --> 02:19:56.079 third at UCF and then a big one at Michale 2927 02:19:56.239 --> 02:20:00.159 at Arizona, couple of home games Arizona State and West Virginia, 2928 02:20:00.639 --> 02:20:03.239 and then they'll finish it up down in Provo BYUS 2929 02:20:03.280 --> 02:20:05.120 can have revenge on the mind after the UT's got 2930 02:20:05.120 --> 02:20:07.680 them up here. If the Utes can finish three and 2931 02:20:07.760 --> 02:20:10.120 two in their final five games, that is a ten 2932 02:20:10.239 --> 02:20:13.479 win conference season. And maybe the Big Twelve isn't what 2933 02:20:13.520 --> 02:20:15.719 we thought it would be. I mean, clearly, the SEC 2934 02:20:15.799 --> 02:20:19.280 is the best best conference in college basketball, and then 2935 02:20:19.399 --> 02:20:21.559 Big Ten right behind it, ACC is down the Big 2936 02:20:21.559 --> 02:20:24.200 Twelve is probably the third best conference in college basketball. 2937 02:20:24.200 --> 02:20:24.639 This year. 2938 02:20:24.959 --> 02:20:28.280 They have an elite national championship contender in the Houston 2939 02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:33.319 Cougars and then maybe a secondary threat in Arizona, Iowa State, 2940 02:20:33.520 --> 02:20:36.879 Texas Tech, two solid teams. Ken Pom likes them at 2941 02:20:36.959 --> 02:20:40.000 Ken Pom and Studio so UT's back in action. We'll 2942 02:20:40.000 --> 02:20:42.520 hear what Craig Smith has to say about his team 2943 02:20:42.600 --> 02:20:45.239 coming up with the Craig Smith Coaches Show, and then 2944 02:20:45.360 --> 02:20:48.040 just a reminder following that we will join the Four 2945 02:20:48.120 --> 02:20:52.520 Nations face Off final in progress between Canada and the 2946 02:20:52.680 --> 02:20:56.360 United States. The Utah jazzer off to either back in 2947 02:20:56.399 --> 02:20:59.479 action tomorrow as they'll continue the second half of the season. 2948 02:21:00.159 --> 02:21:02.319 Turner Sports has your double dip if you're looking for 2949 02:21:02.399 --> 02:21:05.200 NBA basketball tonight. First game is going on right now 2950 02:21:05.239 --> 02:21:08.479 between the Celtics and the seventy six ers, and then 2951 02:21:08.520 --> 02:21:12.120 your late night game ish around seven thirty eight o'clock 2952 02:21:12.239 --> 02:21:14.520 is the Sun's and the Spurs. But speaking of the Spurs, 2953 02:21:15.239 --> 02:21:18.520 Victor Webman Yama shut down for the season a blood 2954 02:21:18.520 --> 02:21:22.200 clot in his shoulder was found after he returned from 2955 02:21:22.200 --> 02:21:25.600 All Star weekend in San Francisco. Now we have president here. 2956 02:21:25.680 --> 02:21:29.479 My first thought was Chris Bosh. Obviously, you guys remember 2957 02:21:29.559 --> 02:21:33.120 blood clots shut down Chris Bosh and his career, brandon 2958 02:21:33.280 --> 02:21:38.120 Ingram Thompson, other players have dealt with this, and if 2959 02:21:38.159 --> 02:21:42.239 you can get at it early, it's pretty treatable and 2960 02:21:42.280 --> 02:21:45.120 hopefully Victor Webbin Yama gets back on track pretty quickly. 2961 02:21:45.159 --> 02:21:48.280 Here I'm told, based off of what I've read, I 2962 02:21:48.280 --> 02:21:51.440 should say, blood clot means you shut it down right 2963 02:21:51.479 --> 02:21:53.680 away six months you're basically on the shelf before you 2964 02:21:53.680 --> 02:21:55.879 can really start getting back at it. So what does 2965 02:21:55.879 --> 02:21:57.079 that mean for the rest of the season. 2966 02:21:57.879 --> 02:21:58.920 I don't know. We'll have to see. 2967 02:21:58.959 --> 02:22:01.760 I mean, san Antonio not that far out of the 2968 02:22:02.079 --> 02:22:04.799 lottery when it comes to the top end of the lottery, 2969 02:22:04.799 --> 02:22:07.840 because so could they get another bit of lottery luck 2970 02:22:07.879 --> 02:22:10.280 and at a good piece next to Victor Weman Yama? 2971 02:22:10.879 --> 02:22:13.959 All right, porter, before we say goodnight, am I reading 2972 02:22:13.959 --> 02:22:16.559 that Zach Martin is retiring from the NFL? 2973 02:22:16.600 --> 02:22:16.719 Oh? 2974 02:22:16.799 --> 02:22:17.000 Wow? 2975 02:22:19.120 --> 02:22:19.440 You know what. 2976 02:22:19.520 --> 02:22:21.799 I don't blame them, no, like you might as well. 2977 02:22:22.440 --> 02:22:24.079 But hell of a player. I mean one of the 2978 02:22:24.120 --> 02:22:25.559 best offensive linemen of all time. 2979 02:22:25.600 --> 02:22:28.760 I mean you spend a decade in the league. I 2980 02:22:28.799 --> 02:22:31.920 know that's not like seen as a super long career 2981 02:22:32.559 --> 02:22:36.319 based on some of the things that we see athletes 2982 02:22:36.360 --> 02:22:39.760 doing around the world. But playing nine years as one 2983 02:22:39.799 --> 02:22:42.079 of the top offensive linemen in in the league, and 2984 02:22:42.280 --> 02:22:45.079 playing nine years where you don't miss a lot of snaps, 2985 02:22:46.079 --> 02:22:48.680 that's a full career and then some. Although again, a 2986 02:22:48.680 --> 02:22:52.479 lot of people sometimes now nowadays expect things like Lebron 2987 02:22:52.520 --> 02:23:00.799 and the type of the type of like long long 2988 02:23:00.879 --> 02:23:03.840 careers that we see from some guys are total outliers. 2989 02:23:04.040 --> 02:23:06.040 The average NFL career is like two and a half years. 2990 02:23:06.079 --> 02:23:09.680 I think, well, in offensive linemen don't play longer than 2991 02:23:09.719 --> 02:23:13.280 a decade more often than not. And Zach Martin nine 2992 02:23:13.319 --> 02:23:15.399 time Pro Bowl selection in eleven years. 2993 02:23:15.399 --> 02:23:15.680 Wow. 2994 02:23:16.680 --> 02:23:20.639 The only Bob Lilly, Larry Allen, and Jason Witten have 2995 02:23:20.840 --> 02:23:24.159 more Pro Bowl selections in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. 2996 02:23:24.159 --> 02:23:26.479 So pretty impressive there, All. 2997 02:23:26.440 --> 02:23:28.600 Right, Porter, before we get out of here, it is 2998 02:23:28.639 --> 02:23:30.639 time now for the Craig Smith Coaches Show, then the 2999 02:23:30.680 --> 02:23:34.440 Four Nations Championship match up between Canada and the US. 3000 02:23:34.959 --> 02:23:37.920 What comes our way on a Friday edition of the 3001 02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:38.600 radio show. 3002 02:23:38.799 --> 02:23:41.799 On a Friday edition of The Drive, we'll cover all 3003 02:23:41.840 --> 02:23:44.479 of our bases, starting it off with a little RSL, 3004 02:23:44.559 --> 02:23:48.920 some preseason stuff, some Conker Calf chat with Kurt Schmid 3005 02:23:49.239 --> 02:23:52.159 of Real Salt Lake. Howard Beck stops by of the 3006 02:23:52.239 --> 02:23:55.120 Ringer for the NBA Daily Assist. We'll talk some running 3007 02:23:55.200 --> 02:23:58.959 utes with Sean Mooney, some PGA tour with Paul Pugmeyer, 3008 02:23:59.000 --> 02:24:02.879 and then working on a hopefully a Utah Hockey club 3009 02:24:02.920 --> 02:24:07.360 player or front office member. Is is the plan to 3010 02:24:08.079 --> 02:24:10.360 recap some hockey. If I can't get one of those guys, 3011 02:24:10.799 --> 02:24:13.239 maybe we'll just we'll just start reaching out to some 3012 02:24:13.440 --> 02:24:18.680 NHL media type folks. But someone to talk four nations 3013 02:24:18.760 --> 02:24:19.479 face off final. 3014 02:24:19.639 --> 02:24:23.680 I've got US four Canada three? Whoa are I scoring? 3015 02:24:23.840 --> 02:24:24.399 What do you got? 3016 02:24:24.559 --> 02:24:27.440 I've got uh No, I haven't even thought about it. 3017 02:24:27.520 --> 02:24:30.319 We'll just throw something nobody knows. Just throw something out there. 3018 02:24:30.319 --> 02:24:31.479 I'm going three to one USA. 3019 02:24:31.600 --> 02:24:34.559 See you just did copious amounts of research. Three one US. 3020 02:24:35.040 --> 02:24:37.079 I'll take four to three US. Let's do it, all right, 3021 02:24:37.120 --> 02:24:39.440 Craig Smith coach the show coming up next special thank 3022 02:24:39.440 --> 02:24:42.559 you today, Andy Larson, Ken Pomeroy and aminol Hassen. For 3023 02:24:42.600 --> 02:24:45.079 any of the sound that you potentially may miss from 3024 02:24:45.120 --> 02:24:46.680 the show today, you can go to the website. It's 3025 02:24:46.920 --> 02:24:50.159 ESPN seven hundred sports dot com, download our mobile app 3026 02:24:50.680 --> 02:24:53.159 and take us on the go. That ESPN seven hundred 3027 02:24:53.159 --> 02:24:54.760 app is available in the App Store and the Google 3028 02:24:54.760 --> 02:24:56.920 play Store for free. 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