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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. Martin willis your host

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and been looking forward to this with a gentleman that

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was on the show years ago, I'm going to say

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ten years ago or more, and he's got a really

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interesting theory on UFO propulsion the possibility of it. And

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even Mark D'Antonio are a good friend of the show.

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He's probably listening. He actually has worked kind of with

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the same idea and knows Robert. He likes to be

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called Bob, so I'm going to be calling him Bob

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right beside me. I'll introduced him in just a second.

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Our blog from Charles Lear is expecting Bigfoot and they

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see a UFO. There's some type of strange. By the way,

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Charles has been writing some amazing blogs lately. Check them

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out over at podcastufo dot com. We have a blog

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section and there's i want to say many dozens, maybe

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even over one hundred blogs there to choose from an

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all very historic tidbits on UFO incidents, a lot of

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historic ones that were really unique and unheard of, So

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check out check this one out. The same is always

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very well written, very well researched. Charles has two books

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and he's going strong. He was on the show not

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that long ago. But anyway, I am very excited to

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honor the guests tonight. We're both on. Here we are

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Ert or Bob, I'm gonna call you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Here we are on the Cape. Bob has a place

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on the Cape down here, and we met up where

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I am and here we are. So welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Martin, thank you for having me on your show.

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And as you mentioned, I've been on it before and

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and that was a blast.

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Speaker 3: The last time I was on it, that was up

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in and I I had an office in Massachusetts, That's right.

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I hadn't had an office in Woolbert. And yes, you

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came there, and yeah, it was, you know, more or

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less the same what we're going to talk about. But

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there was so long ago, and you've had so much

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time in between now and then to probably refine a

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lot of the things and you know, some other ideas

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along with them overtime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you would for the person who didn't

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catch you, you know, ten years ago, if you would,

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I know your family is there's engineers in your family,

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if I remember right. Yeah, So, so I guess I

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want to ask you, first of all, why the interest

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in UFOs. And secondly, why trying you know, how did

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you get on this road to trying to figure out

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how they could possibly travel and the great distances.

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Speaker 2: That's a great intro and question there. And I can

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tell you that I have been interested in the UFO

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phenomenon since the nineteen sixties, so you can tell them

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a little bit older, so I'll admit to it. And

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way back in the sixties there was something called Project

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Blue Book that was run by the Air Force and

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doctor J. Allen Heinek was the head of that or

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the scientific advisor to that Project blue Book. And I

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was fascinated with the UFO phenomenon way back then. And

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I and having back in nineteen fifty seven, although I

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was just a kid, I actually had a UFO sighting.

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And for many of the people in the audience there

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who have followed the UFO phenomenon over the years, they'll

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recognize that nineteen fifty seven was a banner year in

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the UFO like history because at that time we had

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a flurry of UFO reports all over the Earth. It

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was a UFO wave of proportions that we have not seen.

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Perhaps I thought that was fifty two there was one

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in fifty two, and but fifty seven was the big one. Yeah,

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and that was here about it as much. Yeah, that

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was right after Sputnik was launched, and it.

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Speaker 1: Was right during everyone was looking up in the sky.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was looking in the sky, and there were like

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in level and Texas, they were close encounters with UFOs

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where they came down close to the ground and stopped

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trucks and cars, and many people were eyewitnesses to these

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UFOs several hundred feet into Diamateur, glowing extremely brightly, and

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in every single case the engine engines of the vehicles

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shut down. And doctor Heineck said that was a characteristic

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of close encounter UFO reports. But there were there were many,

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many more reports during that during that period, and uh,

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doctor Heineck eventually wrote a book on the topic. You know,

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at first, doctor Heinick was a skeptic, but then later

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on he became very u maybe not so much a believer,

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but somebody who felt that there was something to this,

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whether it was extraterrestrial or it could have a terrestrial origin,

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but he was he felt that it was definitely necessary

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to investigate this phenomenon. And I've been interested in this

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ever since, and I can I do a little biography.

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So I have a degree in math from Rutgers University

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and a degree in aerospace engineering. And so I ended

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up working for a computer company, Hewlett Packard for twenty

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seven years. I had a few other jobs as well,

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but that was the main part of my career, and

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I retired from there, I guess around two thousand and ten.

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was also working on writing a book because in the

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eighties and nineties they had been working on something called

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string theory, and this string theory looked to me like

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a potential candidate for explaining the UFO phenomenon. It involved

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extra dimensions and things like that. And by the mid

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nineties and enter the early two thousand two thousand, there

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was tremendous excitement about these various theories and which we'll

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get to see tonight. And I realized back at that

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time that this very likely explained the technology of UFOs.

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direction it's going does suggest very strongly that this is

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likely to explain the technology of these crafts, which I

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do believe are extra terrestrial in origin, and so I guess,

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without further ado, perhaps we could start the slide show. Okay, sure,

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well one more thanks. I wrote a book on the topic,

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Solving the UFO Enigma, published in twenty and eleven, and

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it was a multi year project and it was a

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result of decades of studying physics and science, and the

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subtitle is how modern physics is revealing the technology of UFOs. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So this is kind of an experiment.

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I'm going to do this PowerPoint and hopefully there will

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be no issues at all. But I used to have

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people actually love to watch my shows because they thought

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it was funny. All the issues that I did have,

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I was entertaining to them, and so I don't want

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to be entertaining. I just want to actually do a

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good show. So hopefully this will be working. Okay, So

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hopefully everyone sees us as say PowerPoint and let's see.

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Speaker 2: So yep, and Martin, that's the cover of my book

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and the picture that you see in the middle that

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was taken in Belgium in the nineteen nineties and I

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put it there deliberately. It's a triangle UFO and one

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of the things that I will mention many times during

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the during the show is that one of the characteristics

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of UFOs is that they have a circular or spherical

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aspect to them, even the triangular UFOs. You'll notice in

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this picture that the corners of the UFO are bright,

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brightly lit circles and a brightly lit circle in the middle.

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of UFOs. And by the end of the slide show

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we will see why I believe that circular characteristic is

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so prominent in UFO technology.

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Speaker 1: Okay, One thing I want to point out, though, Robert,

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is this particular picture. There was a guy that came

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forward that said he faked it. No, no, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: Okay, I do want to bring that to people's attention.

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and this one was not the one that was fake.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that one wasn't even that one supposedly he

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but this is definitely not that one. Less I'm sorry,

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but you'll see another similar one to this. Anyway, I'm

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Speaker 2: If everybody can see that the next slide here, there's

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a new theory of Earth's rapid creation that makes the

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idea of alien life way more likely. And it used

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to be thought that it took hundreds of millions of

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circling around our protostar, the Sun. And so that was

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the original theory that has been around for maybe fifty years.

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with the Hubble telescope and other space telescopes, they now

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realize that it looks like the early Earth may have

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been formed much more quickly than that. Instead of several

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hundred million years, it looks like it formed within about

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five million years. And the reason that's important is this

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because if it did take several hundred million years, in

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the original theory, it was thought that there were large

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planetoids that were smashing into each other. If that were

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the case, the Earth having a lot of water on

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have taken some unusual circumstances to create the water planet

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that we see today. But the new theory suggests that

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if the Earth form fairly quickly within five million years,

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that theory looks way more likely today. But I thought

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the pretty close to the last one hundred years, and

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that evidence, I think is going to be key to

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actually seems to defy the laws of inertia. You can

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mass and somehow these things, which they do believe are

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extremely massive and very heavy, are able to defy the

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laws of inertia. And so a second characteristic, which is

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the UFO phenomenon is part or complete transparency. Many times

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pilots and ground observers have seen these UFOs become partially

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transparent and then totally disappear. And one particular case that

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UFO appearing as if it was splitting the sky, the

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Speaker 2: And so this is going to be isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 1: I mean I've heard so many and I don't I

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hope you don't mind if I like not at all,

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you know, interject these things. So many people have said

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that they have seen something like like almost blink out

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Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, exactly, And so we're going to see in

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a little bit here why that I think is pointing

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toward UFO technology, and so, and another strange characteristic of

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these UFOs is a very strong attractive gravity field short

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range to be sure, but it appears to be attractive

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rather than repulsive. So if these things we're using anti gravity,

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which even Einstein felt was not really possible. And so

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that so anti gravity does not seem to be the

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explanation with UFO technology. But what's puzzle is why should

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it have a short range attractive gravity feel. So we'll

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Speaker 1: Before we move on from that. Yeah, not just one person,

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particular that was a friend of the show many years ago,

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and she is in Australia, And when she was a

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little girl, about nine eight or nine years old, she

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like weeding or something in the garden, and all of

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a sudden she felt something and looked above and there

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and she felt like she was being forced down on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that well, we'll see why at a short distance.

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if she would even wait yet.

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that these things often have a spherical or circular aspect

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to them, and whether they're discs, cylinders, delta shapes that

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always appears to be present. And another thing that's very important,

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uh Ted Phillips, who worked for doctor J. Allen Heinek

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at the Center for UFO Studies up in Illinois. He

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did studies of all the credible landing sites where they

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had indentations into the ground, and they estimated that these

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the typical what you might call scout craft that appear

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ten to thirty tons that's pretty heavy. You know, that's

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a lot of mess we can now I'm going to

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give some interesting examples. Captain Phil Schultz back in nineteen

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eighty one, and he and his first officer observed a

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round UFO with six black portholes on a perfectly clear

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summer day, and this thing approached their L ten eleven.

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remember that, but it was quite an aircraft and it

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came directly in front of their aircraft, and then it

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did a maneuver at one thousand miles per hour right

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in front of their aircraft, and then the UFO departed

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with an estimated twenty g turn. The best that human

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pilots can do is about ten g's, so that's pretty phenomenal.

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see a graphical picture of the UFO and it's you

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can see the extremely sharp turn in this cockpit view

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of the UFO. And by the way, it was Captain

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Schultz who is the one who reported the UFO when

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it first appeared appeared to be splitting the sky open.

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these images and graphics, I'm afraid you're gonna have to

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listen twice and go through the YouTube or on Facebook.

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for those of you who are watching live, thank you.

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I'm not going to be able to even see any

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questions if you have any while we're doing the PowerPoint.

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have for questions in chat. But yeah, continue on, Captain Schultz.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so Captain Schultz. His reaction to the encounter

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was recorded by doctor Richard Hayes, who did his own

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separate UFO investigation some years ago. But doctor Haynes so

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Captain Schildtz said that he had extensive experience as a

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US Navy fighter pilot and he had totally rejected the

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reality of UFOs, but after the sighting. He told doctor

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rich Haynes that there is no doubt in my mind

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it was an extraterrestrial craft. I think that's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is. It's quite a statement.

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Speaker 2: And many of you have heard of commander thank you. Yeah,

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my screen is blooded out a bit us Navy commander

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David Fraber, who lives up in the Hampshire, by the way,

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he was flying his F fourteen back in the early

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two thousands and he observed tic TAC shaped UFO and

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this UFO behaved very erratically, and so his encounter was

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what's very interesting about his encounter. They recorded it on

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infrared as well as radar, and some pilots observed similar

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UFOs in the area. Oh, this, by the way, was

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about sixty eighty miles off the coast of San Diego, California,

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and the Navy does a lot of training out there.

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so how about how would you compare UFO performance to

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Earth technology. Well, fighter jets can do about thirteen g's acceleration.

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Beyond that, no human can survive the G forces that

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are created at that at that acceleration. The Boeing highbex

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anti missile missile that can accelerate between three hundred and

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four hundred g's and but that's about it.

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Speaker 1: Beyond that, things fall apart.

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Speaker 2: Things fall apart, they disintegrate. In the USS Nimtz tic

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TAC observed by Commander David Fraber that measured five thousand gs.

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Speaker 1: Is that when it dropped from the level of sixty

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thousand feet whatever it was and down to the ocean,

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exactly right, yep, yeah, a second.

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Speaker 2: And it less than a second exactly right in a yeah.

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Another interesting UFO observation report comes from Air France Captain

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Charles Dubac and he saw on January twenty eighth, nineteen

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ninety four, near Paris, he saw a one thousand foot

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diameter red UFO glowing red UFO. He had it on radar.

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It was also picked up on ground radar and he

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and his crew observed the UFO become partially transparent as

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it began at the same time to fade on his radar,

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and then it disappeared entirely an off radar two and

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off yes, off radar two, so visually and off radar.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that?

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Speaker 1: Something?

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Speaker 2: In Calgary, Canada, a Canadian pilot saw this on December seventeenth,

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twenty fourteen, a cylindrical shaped UFO. Again, by the way,

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noticed the circular aspect to these UFOs, and he too

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observed being he was above the ufo. But he said,

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at first it appeared as a perfectly solid object, but

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then it began to fade and he could actually see

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the road below through the ufo, and then it finally

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disappeared entirely amazing. Now here's a very interesting report out

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of New Zealand back in I think nineteen fifty nine.

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And this was Elaine Morland who she observed close up

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a circular UFO that came down within about twenty five

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feet of the ground, and she observed two entities inside

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the ufo. They were both facing forward tandem seated and

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threw a clear glass dome and or what appeared to

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be glass and and what was fascinating about this one?

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very early in the morning, it was still dark. This

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is nineteen fifty nine. I think it was June. I

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can't quite read that date, but any anyways, junior July July,

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thank you. And so she as she was going across

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a field down there in the British speaking in the

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English speaking world, as in the British Commonwealth, they call

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it a patty, you know, b a D D y paddock.

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becoming kind of an odd green color. So she looked

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up and she was shocked to see, uh, these two

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bright green lights getting bigger and bigger and bigger very rapidly.

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And so she dropped her milking buckets. She was going

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out to milk the cows. And for people who farm,

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they know about this stuff. I'm from New Jersey. And

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she ran into a clump of woods and she peeked

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out from behind the trees, and she observed this object

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come down, and she said that it harbored about twenty

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five feet above the ground. But she noticed two rows

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of jets appearing on the side of this thing. And

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the one row was pointing at it was shooting out

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flames in one direction parallel to the surface of the ufo.

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The bottom row is put shooting out flames in the

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opposite direction. And both of them were both, you know,

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shooting out flames at all times. And then finally the thing, oh,

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she did observe the rear person stand up and appeared

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to look at something, perhaps on the ground, and then

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he sat down, and then the object began to make

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a whining noise and it started to lift, and then

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she said again characteristic of UFOs, it rose straight up

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into the sky at extreme acceleration. Freaking move on. So

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here's some other examples of UFOs becoming transparent. And Caracas,

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Venezuela and nineteen seventy four, hundreds of people observed four

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stationary UFOs that were clearly visible and they were matte

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black in color, and then suddenly they disappeared, just like that,

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they just blinked out. In Phoenix, Arizona, March nineteen ninety seven,

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this is during the Phoenix Lights, which many people who

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have followed the UFO A phenomenon are well aware of.

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and I thought that was a very great interest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the observers on that said that it

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looked like it was they could see like a waviness,

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you know, like a ripple effect exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they could see this rippling effect and they

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could see stars.

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Speaker 1: It was seen at night.

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Speaker 2: They could see stars behind it with somewhat distorted.

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Speaker 1: Yes there was something there, but you could kind of

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see through it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right now, but not all parts of the UFO,

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the Phoenix UFO, some parts look perfectly solid. So another

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good example of transparency is the Rendell Shim Forest rif

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Bentwaters based Colonel Charles Hall and this is back in

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nineteen eighty and this is a high ranking officer who,

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by the way, was totally skeptical of the UFOs until

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he had a truly close encounter. But as part of

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his encounter, he did see a UFO shoot down a

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beam of light right at his feet in the dark,

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and he said they were shocked. And then that or

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a different UFO was seen coming down into a field

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nearby and they could clearly see it. It was solid,

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it was brightly lit, and then as they watched it

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started to implode, looked like it was becoming smaller, and

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then it just literally disappeared. And then another one very

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interesting is in the Tasman Sea off of Australia.

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Speaker 1: I thought, excuse me before the entrant, before we move

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on from Rendilschamp. When I spoke to Charles a couple

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of times, he's been on my show.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 1: But he said that the light wasn't like an ordinary

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light that shot down at his feet. It was almost

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like a tube. He said. It was a very strange thing.

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It didn't act like a normal light.

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Speaker 2: Wood.

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Speaker 1: You knows that instead of like coming down and lighting

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everything up, it came down like a tube instead.

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Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. Instead of coming down instantaneously,

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it seemed to grow going downward like a tube. Like

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a tube. Yeah, that's been reported before, where a beam

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of light will come down and then it will retract

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like a ladder rather than just click out, it retracts

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like a ladder like. That's how it came down, according

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to him. And if I'm correct in my theory that

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I write about in the book, that they have figured

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out how to control gravitational forces, extreme gravitational forces, then

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they light is subject to gravity. We know that Einstein

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predicted that light would bend around stars, and that was

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actually observed I think in I Forget nineteen nineteen or

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something like that. So another fascinating example of disappearance was

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the Tasman Sea, Australia nineteen thirty one sighting by aviation

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pioneer Sir Francis Chichester. I'm sure very few people have

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heard of him, but he was famous back in the day.

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And he saw a UFO. No, he had a biplane,

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so this thing was not going particularly fast, maybe one

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hundred miles an hour at most, and it was just

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putt putting through the sky. And he said he could

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clearly say this disc shaped you. Now, by the way,

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back then, he didn't know what it was. He didn't

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call it a UFO. That's a more modern trim. He

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just called it a craft. And he said, this strange

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craft was perfectly solid looking at one point and had

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a hump on the top, and so he said, then

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it started to fade right in front of him, and

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then he could gradually see through it, and then he

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could see the waves in the ocean below right through

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this craft, and then he said it totally disappeared. So

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that's another example. And you'll notice the similarity of that

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sighting to some of the other ones we talked about before,

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and so this stuff is extremely important to understanding the UFOs.

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And one last one in broad daylight and nineteen fifty

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three and f eighty six pilot saw a hovering UFO

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which blinked out just like that, right in front of them. Okay,

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So the two big questions on UFO technology and now

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we're going to start to get into it. We'll have

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to get a little bit technical and for the audio audience,

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I'll try to describe these in a way that you

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can visualize it. So the two big questions on UFO

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technology or how do they get here? Number one? And

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the second thing how are these craft able to perform

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and nursed defying acrobatics in Earth's atmosphere. So we'll take

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a look at the first question, how do they get here? Well?

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Speaker 1: Next also, yeah, on the second part, I have something

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to add when you get there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So how did they get here? Now? People have

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thought about this, the idea of interstellar travel for many

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many years, decades and decades going back to Flash Gordon

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and so some people have thought about So the basic

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ideas that have come out of this are number one,

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can they go faster than the speed of light? There

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are particles that are postulated called tachyons that are believed

481
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to go faster than the speed of light. But Einstein

482
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,079
himself said no, that it's not possible, and his theory

483
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:06,039
of special relativity for bids faster than light travel for

484
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:11,559
a material object, and so people can argue about immaterial

485
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:15,760
but that we won't get into that. The second possibility

486
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is near light speed, and that does happen to be possible,

487
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:27,000
but it takes enormous energy to get up to the

488
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speed of light and maintain that speed. You have staggering

489
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,079
energy requirements. And even if you could getting to the

490
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nearest star system to planet Earth, Alpha Centauri is four

491
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,320
and a half light years, it would take thousands of year,

492
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not thousands, It would take many years to get there,

493
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and unfortunately, if you had a twin back at Earth,

494
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and when you came back, your twin would be long gone,

495
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so it's not a practical solution. Then the third idea

496
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,880
was the idea of warping of space time. If you

497
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,199
could figure out how to warp space time, then you

498
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,920
could kind of travel through space like people surf on

499
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,679
a wave. And a guy, a Mexican physicist by the

500
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,320
name of Miguel Alcuberry, came up with an idea many

501
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,559
years ago about building a spaceship where you could compress

502
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,639
space in front of you and expand space behind you.

503
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And he calculated correctly that you could go many times

504
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,000
the equivalent of the speed of light, but you really

505
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,039
wouldn't be going faster, you'd be just warping space in

506
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:41,519
front of you and expanding it behind you. But again,

507
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,760
the gating factor on this is the energy. The amount

508
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of energy required is absolutely gigantic, and so none of

509
00:35:54,159 --> 00:36:00,119
these solutions appear really feasible. But so let's take a

510
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,159
look at the direction of modern physics and let's see

511
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,039
if there's something out there that new concepts, new theories

512
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,000
that might help us explain how UFOs are getting to

513
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,400
planet Earth and am able to move around in our atmosphere.

514
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,400
So the two pillars of modern physics our general relativity.

515
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,840
Einstein's theory of gravity one of the four fundamental forces

516
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:35,079
of nature, and it talks about how gravity affects matter,

517
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,400
how it interacts with matter. And the second major pillar

518
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,559
of modern physics is quantum mechanics, which deals with the

519
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:51,320
other three fundamental forces in nature. So those would be

520
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,199
the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, and electromagnetism

521
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,480
and how they interact with matter. So in twenty fifteen

522
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:03,119
it was the truth anniversary of general relativity, and I

523
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:08,440
believe that gravity will be the key to understanding the

524
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:15,639
UFO phenomenon. And so for the audio people, you can't

525
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:20,119
see this, But I have a god, but I have

526
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:25,480
a slide which shows the field the field equations, the

527
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:29,519
truncated version of the field equations of general relativity, and

528
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,280
the left hand side of the field equations, what they

529
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,559
describe is the warping or curvature of space time uh,

530
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:41,400
which is the cause of gravity, which creates what we

531
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:46,559
call gravity. And on the right hand side is the

532
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:50,920
matter and energy that causes space time to warp. And

533
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,679
that's what these field equations do. Unfortunately, they are very

534
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,559
complicated to solve. And and on this next slide, which

535
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,360
I'm afraid the audio cannot see, I show that each

536
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,280
of the terms. And so there's four major clumps of

537
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,239
terms in the field equations, three on the left side

538
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,880
and one on the right side. And what I do

539
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,039
and is I take the first term and I expand

540
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,280
it and then so that you can see in another

541
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,440
equation here what that turns into. And it turns into

542
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,920
what looks like a lot of gobblybook and it's hideously complicated.

543
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,079
And then it has a lot of differential equations and

544
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,400
stuff and partial derivatives and for those of you who

545
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,480
like math. And then I took a term inside of

546
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:52,280
that equation on the right hand side, and I expanded that,

547
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,440
and I show what's inside of that, and it's called

548
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,480
the Christoffel connection coefficient. For anybody who but what what this,

549
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,920
what this is all about? Is this? The field equations

550
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,199
are extremely hard to solve. And in fact, the first

551
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:14,400
exact solution to the field equations did not come from

552
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,719
Einstein himself. He came up with approximations, not to say,

553
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:23,079
but these are these approximations were very very accurate, you know,

554
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,679
And but nevertheless he never had and he did not

555
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,800
come up with the first exact solution. But just to

556
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,880
give you an idea of why that's the case, just

557
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,920
to figure out the gravity that what's going on with

558
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,599
gravity between your thumb and forefinger, if each member of

559
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,079
the audience holds them together, can take up to one

560
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:49,719
hundred and twenty equations, does anybody? People can appreciate how

561
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,639
horrifying these things are, So we can and so and

562
00:39:54,719 --> 00:40:01,800
one more and so the physics canmmunity their reaction. They

563
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:05,280
couldn't wait to see the field equations, but when they did,

564
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:14,159
their reaction was you gotta be kidding and sorry stopped there. Oh, no,

565
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,119
the next one. So the first exact solution to the

566
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:26,119
Einstein field equations were by Lieutenant Carl Schwarzchild in nineteen sixteen,

567
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:30,599
and he was a lieutenant, an officer in the artillery

568
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:33,280
of the German Army on the Eastern Front. This is

569
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,079
World War One. And now people today marvel at how

570
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,079
Lieutenant Schwartzchild could have worked on the field equations. Remember

571
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,639
they had just come out in nineteen fifteen, in the

572
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:52,559
fall of nineteen fifteen, so it's kind of amazing today.

573
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,880
But somehow he found the time and everybody will know

574
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,679
immediately what his exact solution to the field equations are,

575
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,920
as we see in the next slide here. But I'll

576
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:09,039
explain Audio two the Schwarzchild black hole. And you may

577
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:12,599
wonder why I'm bringing up this first exact solution to

578
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:17,199
the field equations. The reason is it's extremely important to

579
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:24,880
the UFO phenomenon. Roughly, and so what the Schwartzchyle our

580
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:29,519
black hole formula talks about is that any object with

581
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:33,719
a radius less than the schwarz Child radius, which is

582
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,079
determined by the equation. He figured out becomes a black hole.

583
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,880
And this is the second part of this I want

584
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,039
to explain very very important and everybody should keep this

585
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:47,800
in the back of their mind. Photons which go at

586
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,800
the speed of light, and any other particle going at

587
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,559
the speed of light or close to the speed of

588
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:57,159
light cannot escape a black hole. Keep that in the

589
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,519
back of your mind because it's going to be very

590
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:04,559
important to the solution to the UFO phenomenon. Now, one

591
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:06,559
more very important thing. The last thing we're going to

592
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:13,559
say about general relativity. Oh yeah, So it turns out

593
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:19,159
that black holes produce a very strong magnetic field, and

594
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,679
that's another thing you want to keep in mind as

595
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:28,400
we continue. Sorry, Next we're going to cover the other

596
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:33,199
pillar of modern physics. We just finished general relativity gravity. Yeah,

597
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:38,320
oh no, keep it right there. So this is quantum mechanics,

598
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,519
and at this tiny scale. All for hundreds of years,

599
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,039
dating back to Newton and even before, it was assumed

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that energy was continuous like a wave. But in the

601
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,519
twentieth century, at the very beginning of the twentieth century,

602
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:04,280
it was discovered energy was not continuous. Instead, it came

603
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:08,599
in discrete bits or pieces, which is where the term

604
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,760
quantum comes from bit or piece, and that's where quantum

605
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,639
mechanics comes from, the word or the phrase. And so

606
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,039
that was really strange because so the reason they discovered

607
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:25,280
this is they began looking at the spectra of light

608
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,880
and of elements and they noticed that they were discrete lines.

609
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,800
If you look at a prism, you shine light through it,

610
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it comes out into discrete little lines. It was believed

611
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,280
that theoretically, if energy was continuous, it should be just

612
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,519
one blur of different colors, you know, but each moving

613
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,559
gradually into the next. But that's not the case for

614
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:55,719
elements when they were observed, and it was discovered by

615
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,840
Max Planck, a German physicist in the year nineteen hundred.

616
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,000
The formula he developed was energy is equal to h

617
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:12,320
planks constant time frequency, and that constant, which was derived

618
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,840
from experiment, came as a total shock to the world

619
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,440
of physics. But it then it began to explain a

620
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,679
lot of things, and it was basically the birth of

621
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:31,320
quantum mechanics. One of the first breakthroughs after the early

622
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,920
days of quantum theory was what is called the Schrodinger equation,

623
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:42,639
which describes subatomic particles behavior. Remember, quantum theory deals with

624
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,199
the sub atomic world, and the Shortinger equation, developed by

625
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:51,119
an Austrian fear a physicist by the name of Irwin Schrodinger,

626
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,840
describes the behavior of subatomic particles in terms of waves.

627
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Not everybody might be saying, hey, wait a minute, you

628
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,559
just said it's a particle, was not waves? Well, oddly enough,

629
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:10,760
it's both part it's duality particle wave duality. But you

630
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,480
will notice for those people who happened to see the

631
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,239
book of the book, in my book, you will see

632
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,159
that the Plank's constant is in Schroder's equation. So you

633
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,920
might ask why he came up with this equation. Well,

634
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,920
the reason is keep in mind that in the early

635
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,239
twentieth century, in the prior century, the nineteenth century, physicists

636
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,159
were used to dealing with waves. An awful lot of

637
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:39,880
physics was done in wave theory, electro magnetism, James Clerk

638
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:47,280
Maxwell the great Scottish physicist, and so people were familiar

639
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,239
with using wave equations, so they were very happy with

640
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,559
the short Inter equation. But a similar equation was developed

641
00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:00,440
by Werner Heisenberg, a German physicist. He developed one something

642
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,199
called matrix mechanics, which was way more complicated than the

643
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:10,000
short end equation, and most people who study quantum mechanics

644
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:15,679
today use the short ened equation. But Heisenberg's equation focused

645
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,119
on the particle aspect.

646
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's so Walter White had that name after I

647
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,960
don't know if you ever heard of the Breaking bad

648
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,119
Walter White, and the Heisenberger was after that guy. Okay,

649
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,840
some people are probably laughing out there.

650
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Speaker 2: For people who can see the slide show, I have

651
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:41,320
a teddy bear crying with over his mug of beer

652
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,920
and can we go back? And he's saying, please, no

653
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:50,719
more formulas, give me another drink. And from this point

654
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,960
on we're just going to deal with concepts. No more formulas,

655
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:57,159
at least for the people that are watching the slide show.

656
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,719
And so I do have to do a little bit

657
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,199
of physics here, but we'll go through this fairly quick.

658
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:09,360
Our universe really consists of matter and force particles acting

659
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:14,480
on the stage of space time. And so now people

660
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:17,760
might ask, hey, what the heck is space time? Believe

661
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,360
it or not, nobody knows. We know time is involved,

662
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:29,039
but based on Einstein's theory, especially relativity and general relativity, however,

663
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,239
what is space time what's it made made up of.

664
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Nobody knows. It could be made up of gravitons, the

665
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,400
particle that's postulated too carry the gravity force. It could

666
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,039
be a matrix or web of those. People simply don't know.

667
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:50,400
But we do know that something called space time, whatever

668
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,079
space time is made of, when it gets warped, is

669
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what causes gravity. But it's also the It's also the

670
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stage upon which matter particles like electrons and forced particles

671
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,039
like photons that carry light, that they act and interact

672
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:16,039
with each other. A basic atom. Sorry to have to

673
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,719
go through this science here, but this is going to

674
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,679
be helpful as we go further. A basic atom, the

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00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,280
simplest atom possible, is a hydrogen atom, which would be

676
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,639
a proton in the nucleus and an electron happily zooming

677
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:36,440
around in orbit around it. But in the slide that

678
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,800
I show here, I show an isotope of hydrogen, which

679
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is a proton and a neutron in the nucleus, And

680
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I just show that to point out that you can

681
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,920
have both protons and neutrons in the nucleus, and other

682
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:55,679
heavier elements have many more protons and neutrons and stuff.

683
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,000
And this isotope of hydrogen is colled pium, and I

684
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:04,360
just want to mention it real quickly. A third isotope

685
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,760
of hydrogen is has two neutrons in the nucleus plus

686
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a proton, and that's called tritium, which would come in

687
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,199
handy later on. Okay, and a proton. Sorry to get

688
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,440
into this detail, but it'll be helpful. And a proton

689
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,199
itself is made up of smaller particles called quarks, And

690
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,199
every proteon has three quarks in it. They're up they're

691
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:37,039
called up and down quarks. And let's see, and then

692
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:43,000
we can describe all matter particles as made up of

693
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:50,480
quarks or leptons or both. And so quarks make up

694
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:56,320
neutrons and protons, and nine percent of all matter in

695
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,440
the universe is made up of either up and down

696
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:04,159
quarks and a basic electron in normal electron. Most people

697
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:08,239
are familiar with or electron neutrinos. Just those four particles,

698
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but there are two strange higher energy families called the

699
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:18,320
second and third families of matter particles, which are called

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00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,800
fermions in honor of Enrico Fermi, an Italian physicist who

701
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,440
did a lot of work classifying and studying the basic

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00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:33,920
mata particles of nature, and so that describes the mata particles,

703
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,199
the force particles, and now we want to pay attention here.

704
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:40,960
The meta particles are important, but the force particles are

705
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going to be a lot of what we'll be talking

706
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:48,360
about from this point on. There are four fundamental forces

707
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,639
in nature, and those looking at the slide can see them,

708
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,519
but those who are are listening, I will describe them.

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00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,679
There is the strong nuclear force, which is carried by

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part of is called gluons, not as glue, and the

711
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:07,000
strong force is used to hold protons together and the

712
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:12,760
nucleus because remember protons are positive have positive charge. Electrons

713
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,599
have negative charge, and like repels, unlike attracts, so positive

714
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,280
protons whips the better worts of the time. Positive protons

715
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:25,760
don't want to party together, they want to separate, so

716
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,199
it requires these gluons to hold them together. The weak

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00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,360
nuclear force is represented by W plus, W minus, and

718
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,719
Z neutral particles. Electromagnetism is carried by the photon messenger particle,

719
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:42,679
and gravity is carried by a particle called postulated particles.

720
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,760
We haven't seen it yet, is called the graviton. And

721
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,679
now you're going to wonder what physicists do. So what's

722
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,760
their goal, what's their big goal in physics? That the

723
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,920
holy grail of modern physics, and this is what's going

724
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,000
to lead us to an explanation of UFO technology. The

725
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:09,880
holy grail of modern physics is uniting the four forces

726
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,639
of nature, the four fundamental forces electro managers and weak

727
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,039
nokay force strong now gay force, and gravity.

728
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:21,679
Speaker 1: And you know, I just recently reconnected with my childhood

729
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,960
friend and we had a blast talking together. And I

730
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,920
said to him, I said, we weren't you into like

731
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,639
UFOs when we were kids. Didn't you talk about that?

732
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,639
And I asked him about His father got some magazine

733
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:36,280
and on the cover of the magazine was the UFO

734
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,760
He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like, well, I have listened

735
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,239
to your show, so a couple of them. So, but

736
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,960
he's really into this type of stuff. You know, this

737
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,199
isn't for everybody. This is really interesting to me, but

738
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,559
I understand this is hard to follow for some people. Yeah,

739
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:56,559
I'm going to tell him to watch the show and

740
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,159
a little shout out to Ken and yeah, okay and

741
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:02,679
hi pen.

742
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: So it's believed way back at the beginning of the

743
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:12,000
universe that all the forces were united, and the universe

744
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,559
at that time was smaller than the head of a pin.

745
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:20,639
And you can imagine the energy that was compressed in

746
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,360
that tiny, tiny space. Considering today there are trillions of

747
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,440
galaxies and the universe is now fifteen billion years old.

748
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:31,280
Do you think.

749
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: That that theory is going to always hold up?

750
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,079
Speaker 2: I do to show you. Okay, all right, Oh, show

751
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:38,079
you why. That's a good question.

752
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: All right. I'm just going to let you know. In

753
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,559
like three minutes we got to leave. Oh here, Well,

754
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,840
I'm just going to do this, so they just going

755
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,760
to close out the show in about three minutes. For

756
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,440
KGRA Radio. We're going to continue on. But I want

757
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:54,199
to thank everyone over there for listening, and if you

758
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,199
wanted to watch the rest of the show at some point,

759
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:59,480
you know, come over and watch the YouTube video over

760
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:02,519
at podcast s ufo dot com. Also, our guest next

761
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,719
week is going to be Earl Gray. He's a real character.

762
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,639
I know, he's not a t he's a he's a

763
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:11,480
real fun guy in the LA area, I believe it is,

764
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,920
and a real nice guy. He'll be on next week

765
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,480
for our show. So let's continue on.

766
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 2: Okay. So it's believed that at the beginning of the universe. Uh,

767
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,559
there was what was called we now call the Big Bang,

768
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:31,559
and at that time the universe expanded from a tiny

769
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:37,639
dot infinitesimally small dot, and it began the expansion that

770
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:41,360
we that we to and eventually reached the size of

771
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,280
the universe we see today. And and but it's also

772
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:50,159
believed that at this time the four fundamental forces of

773
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:56,840
nature separated out from being a combined, unified single force.

774
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,480
Then this is going to be important. So so at

775
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:04,920
the first forces that separated out right after the Big

776
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,159
Bang were a force known as the gout force gut

777
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,400
grand unified theory, which is actually a combination of the

778
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,679
strong nuclear force and something called the electroweak force. And

779
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,679
then the other force that came out. At the time

780
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,239
of the Big Bang, there was only two forces, goot

781
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,480
and gravity. Gravity was the second, and then the Goot

782
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,519
force broke out, as I mentioned, into the strong nuclear

783
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:35,679
force and electro week and then the electroweak force broke

784
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:41,000
out into electro magnetism and the weak nuclear force, which

785
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:44,840
by the way, is responsible for radioactivity. The strong nuclear

786
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,360
force keeps the nucleus together, the weak nuclear force causes radioactivity.

787
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:57,280
So that's the goal of modern physics to unify these

788
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:03,360
four fundamental forces of nature, and they have had some

789
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:07,920
very good success in doing this. They've been able to,

790
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:14,519
for example, unify the electric and magnetic forces or fields

791
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,360
into what we call electromagnetism. At one time, it was

792
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,079
thought the electric field and the magnetic field were two

793
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:26,760
separate forces. But James Clerk Maxwell and Maxwell's laws showed

794
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,280
that these are combined in a theory he calls the

795
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,599
electromagnetic theory. And it turns out, way back in the

796
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:40,000
nineteen seventies and particle accelerators, they actually were able to

797
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:46,840
combine and by smashing subatomic particles together in these giant

798
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:50,840
circular accelerators where they get particles up to the speed

799
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,880
of light going in opposite directions. When they crash together,

800
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:02,119
you can imagine it's a pretty spectacular crash. Very small point, and.

801
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:07,599
Speaker 1: Ask you anything since SERN came along, is anything changed

802
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,880
in through theories on these things, or is everything just

803
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,079
holding exactly the way they thought?

804
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: So far things are holding together all these theories, so

805
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:21,000
they of course keep as you pointed out, they keep

806
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:26,920
upgrading these particle accelerators and each new class of particle

807
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,280
accelerators is still able to confirm earlier theories. Plus they're

808
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,039
able to add new knowledge, you know, at which I

809
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:39,920
can mention. So when they were able to create the

810
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:45,280
electro weak force, that gave tremendous impetus to the concept

811
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,440
the idea that the universe did start at what they know,

812
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,679
it's likely that the universe started at a higher energy,

813
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:59,599
and this was proof, a very strong proof that the

814
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:03,599
force were once united in a single super force. So

815
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,880
and then another unification theory that they're currently working on

816
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,639
is unifying this strong nuclear force and the electroweak force,

817
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:15,800
the GOOT that I had, the grand unified theory that

818
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,480
I had mentioned before, And they are working on that,

819
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:24,119
and they hope to see evidence of that by other ways.

820
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,280
They probably won't see that at particle accelerators because the

821
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,360
energy requirements are too high, but they may see some

822
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:37,679
other type of evidence in detectors, deep underground detectors, where

823
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:42,360
they're looking for evidence of the breakdown of the GOOT

824
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,599
force so way back in the early universe, you know.

825
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:52,639
And so now people who have been watching the unification

826
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:57,239
that we've been looking at so far of the electric magnetic,

827
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:01,679
the weak nuclear force, and the strong nuclear will have

828
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:07,480
noticed that the one force that's absent, that's missing from

829
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:15,320
this unification attempts theory so far, is gravity. Why is

830
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:22,159
gravity not included in all these, you know, decades long

831
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,920
attempts to unify the four forces of nature. And we'll

832
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:32,039
look at that next. So here's how we're going to

833
00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:35,519
look at it. For those that can see the slide,

834
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:40,000
I'm comparing the strength of the four fundamental forces. But

835
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,679
those who can't, I'll describe them. If we sit to

836
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:49,559
for the gravity force at one for comparison, so I'm

837
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:53,679
just using a unit of one, then the weak nuclear

838
00:59:53,760 --> 01:00:01,440
force is ten to the twenty fifth power stronger than gravity. Yikes,

839
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:06,920
that's the number together. That's like the number one, followed

840
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,320
by twenty five zeros, and the electromagnetic forces ten to

841
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:16,159
the thirty six power stronger and strong as ten to

842
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:21,599
the thirty eighth. And this is absolutely staggering. In fact,

843
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:26,719
this gigantic separation in the strength of the four fundamental

844
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:32,199
forces is such a big problem or puzzle in physics

845
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:38,559
that it has its own name. It's called the hierarchy problem.

846
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:40,360
And we'll take and we're going to take a look

847
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:40,639
at that.

848
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:44,599
Speaker 1: Isn't that am I thinking overthinking this is? Isn't that

849
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:48,800
how things basically stay together? I mean, if they didn't

850
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,239
have that force, everything would be and building apart.

851
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: I mean, well, it would be disintegrating worse than that.

852
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:03,400
So the hierarchy problem is all you'll see here. Is

853
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,480
also equivalent to the puzzle of the weak mass versus

854
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,360
the plank mass. Sorry for the technicality, but the weak

855
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,920
mess is the mass at which all matter is roughly

856
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,239
in the range of and it's a relatively small mess.

857
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,719
All matter particles don't have that particularly great mass, but

858
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:30,320
the plank mass in physics is believed to be the

859
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:38,519
highest mass that is likely in the universe. And one

860
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:42,599
of the big puzzles is it turns out that if

861
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,119
all the matter particles were at the plank mass rather

862
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:50,599
than the weak mass, and the plank mass is sixteen

863
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:56,519
orders of magnitude greater than the weak mess. So if

864
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:00,280
all the particles in the universe were at this higher level,

865
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,800
then we could unify the four fundamental forces of nature.

866
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,360
But that comes with a real problem, and that problem

867
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:17,360
is if all particles, all matter particles, protons, neutrons, electrons,

868
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,840
and stuff, were all at the Plank scale, the universe

869
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,320
would disintegrate, it would compress, it would just collapse instantly.

870
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:32,840
And I asked an expert, Homer Simpson, his opinion, and

871
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,639
he said, do you mean my favorite donut shop will disappear?

872
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,840
And I would like to say to our expert Homer,

873
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:46,639
not only your favorite hom donut shop, but everything else too.

874
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: And so here's a question. I can't I can't pull

875
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,239
them up and shot because the way we're doing the PowerPoint,

876
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:56,800
I can only read them from here. And I don't

877
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,639
know if this is accurate. This is just a question statement.

878
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,440
Gravity is outside of space time. It makes space time wobble.

879
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,880
What else is outside of space time?

880
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:15,119
Speaker 2: Well, it's possible that we actually gravity does exist in

881
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:18,440
our space time. If it has to, it's one of

882
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:23,159
the four fundamental forces. But we're going to get to

883
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,960
a possibility that there might be some other strange things

884
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:32,559
going on which may relate to that question. So we're

885
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,679
going to have to look at the evolution of modern

886
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:37,519
physics to see if we can find a way to

887
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:45,239
explain the UFO phenomenon and quickly. Currently, physics established physics

888
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:49,159
is something called the Standard model, which is basically a

889
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:54,239
synthesis of classical mechanics that would be Isaac Newton and

890
01:03:55,559 --> 01:04:02,960
the classical physicists, and general relativity and quantum mechanics, and

891
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:07,440
those comprise what we know as the standard model. And

892
01:04:07,519 --> 01:04:12,519
this model has been tested rigorously in particle accelerators and

893
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:17,239
other experiments and has been proven to a high degree

894
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:22,000
of accuracy. But of course physicists are also looking at

895
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:25,239
other theories, and over the years, like I mentioned, they've

896
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:28,039
been looking at the Grand Unified theory. And there's a

897
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:30,679
number of other theories. I just mentioned them briefly, and

898
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:33,719
these are going to be super important to helping explain

899
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:36,719
the UFO phenomenon. So some of them are in the

900
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:42,119
seventies and eighties, things called supersymmetry and four dimensional supergravity.

901
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:46,880
Then along came five dimensional kollusive climb theory and eleven

902
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,599
dimensional super gravity. Don't worry, don't memorize this stuff. I'm

903
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:58,679
just giving no quiz, right, there's no quiz. So it's

904
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:04,920
believed dimensions exist, particles will be created called kk particles

905
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:08,559
or Klusik line particles that will be coming that will

906
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:14,519
be uh from the extra dimensions. And then by the

907
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,400
by the between the seventies and right up to the

908
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,800
twenty twenty twenties. Uh, right up to about now. Uh,

909
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,599
there were theories that became that were called string theory

910
01:05:26,679 --> 01:05:31,039
and super string theory ten dimensional and eleven dimensional, and

911
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:34,440
that eventually morphed into something called m theory, which by

912
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,760
the way, seems to be the final theory. And uh,

913
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:45,280
these brains and extra dimension membranes appeared to be where

914
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,440
physics is now headed.

915
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:52,519
Speaker 1: And isn't the brains like uh uh multiple type of

916
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:58,039
like a like a multiverse type of the brains think

917
01:05:58,039 --> 01:05:58,760
it is something else.

918
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:05,119
Speaker 2: The multiverse is another concept. But the membranes, although it

919
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:09,119
could be related, that could be the membranes refer to

920
01:06:09,559 --> 01:06:14,320
any given universe, and we're in one universe, and within

921
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:19,480
that universe they believe that matter. At first, they used

922
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,360
to think it was made up of strictly infinitesimally point particles.

923
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,239
Then in the seventies they began to get evidence that

924
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:33,159
subatomic particles might be made up of little, tiny, tiny,

925
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,159
wiggling strings. That's the birth of string theory. And then

926
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:40,480
as time went on they began to realize that other

927
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:46,880
strange things were out there too, called membranes, and these

928
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,679
membranes could be two D two dimensional, so like a

929
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:53,880
flat sheet of paper, or they could be three dimensional,

930
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,239
or they could be four dimensional, all the way up

931
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:02,800
to nine dimensions. And some of these membranes, like a

932
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,440
flat membrane, could be wrapped around a portion of space

933
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:10,400
time that's very tiny, and if it's wrapped around tight enough,

934
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:15,280
it would actually appear as a point particle. So all

935
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,480
this kind of crazy stuff is going on, and so

936
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:21,519
to kind of sum it up, I'll go through this.

937
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,199
So modern physics is pointing at very likely in eleven

938
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:30,079
ten to eleven dimensional universe. These the ten and eleven

939
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:34,840
is not really critical some parts of the theory. So

940
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:40,880
they have basically five different theories that are part of

941
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,800
what they call m theory. But it turns out they

942
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,639
now believe that all five of these theories they are

943
01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:53,119
each self consistent, and physicists at the beginning during in

944
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,320
the last two or three decades three decades have been

945
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,000
very worried about this because I had five self consistent

946
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:08,039
theories until they discovered something called duality, which appears to

947
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:11,920
show that these theories are related to each other. And

948
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,079
I won't get into too much detail on that perturbation

949
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:19,119
theory and things like that, but it's critical to the point.

950
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:22,119
The critical thing here is that there appears to be

951
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:27,239
a single sup M theory, which nobody has defined. It was.

952
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:31,119
Actually the name comes from Ed Witton at Princeton University,

953
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:36,000
and he left it ambiguous deliberately. But some people call

954
01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:41,000
it memberan theories, some people call it Mother of All theories,

955
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,279
and somebody's got to make a movie out of this.

956
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:51,439
So it turns out that six of the eleven extra dimensions,

957
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,319
So if there's four fundamental dimensions, three of space and

958
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:59,239
one of time, then eleven would make seven extra and

959
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,640
it looks like six of those extra dimensions are curled

960
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,239
up at every point in space time and do not

961
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,680
interest us here for this our purposes. That leaves five

962
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:16,319
large dimensions. And as I mentioned, historically it was thought

963
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:19,159
that we lived in a four dimensional universe, three of

964
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:22,760
space and one of time. Special relativity and general relativity

965
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,039
are based on that.

966
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: Theory.

967
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 2: So one of the theories that's coming out of M theory,

968
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,479
and mind you, there's a lot of theories coming out,

969
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,880
but the one that I latched onto way back in

970
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:44,279
the nineteen nineties is a theory that suggests that there

971
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,960
are two four dimensional membranes, one of which is us,

972
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,479
the universe that we live in, and you can think

973
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,960
of them on either end. So of course we were

974
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,600
three dimensional creatures, so I can only show this in

975
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:07,039
a three dimensional description. But imagine two flat pieces of

976
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:11,359
paper opposite each other with a separation between them, and

977
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,000
each of those flat pieces of paper are a membrane,

978
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:18,399
a space time membrane. One on one side is the

979
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,760
world we live in, which is called the weak membrane,

980
01:10:22,039 --> 01:10:25,079
after the energy level that we live in or that

981
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:27,880
our universe is based on, and the other one is

982
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,920
called the plank membrane. And these two membranes are floating

983
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:39,159
in a larger five dimensional universe. So this isn't just

984
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:43,199
the fifth dimension. It's in between these two membranes is

985
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:48,319
a five dimensional space that's important space time. And so

986
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,960
for those watching the slideshow, you'll see a picture of

987
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,399
the two space time membranes four dimensional membranes. And it's

988
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,960
believed that all the fundamental particles in nature, both matter

989
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:09,199
and forced particles, are little wiggling strings that are open ended.

990
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,039
And now here is where this is the key thing,

991
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:17,000
and this you're going to We're very quickly approaching the

992
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:21,800
explanation of the UFO phenomenon. It's believed that all the

993
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,960
matter enforced particles like a photon with which we need

994
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,680
to see. Photons hit the retina in the back of

995
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,159
your eye, and that's how you see reflected off of objects.

996
01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:36,520
But it's believed that the open ends of the wiggling

997
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,000
strings are stuck on the four dimensional membrane, the weak

998
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:46,479
membrane where we live, and that when you go out

999
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,640
at night look up in the sky and see the

1000
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,960
stars and everything, that's all part of the four dimensional

1001
01:11:52,319 --> 01:11:57,600
membrane we live in. So every single particle that we

1002
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,560
talked about earlier are stuck. The two open ends are

1003
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:07,079
stuck on this membrane. It cannot leave except for one particle.

1004
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,680
The one particle that is believed that could leave the

1005
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:18,960
four dimensional membrane is the graviton, and it's believed. Oh

1006
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:23,960
yes's okay, it's believed to be a closed loop, and

1007
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:27,960
that means it's not stuck in our membrane. And this

1008
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:33,720
is the key to the UFO phenomenon. So a theory

1009
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,439
called warp geometry is one of the ones I've been

1010
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,720
looking at that I believe is the one, and it

1011
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,239
solves the hierarchy problem. Remember we were looking at the

1012
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:47,640
hierarchy problem and why gravity is so much stronger, I mean,

1013
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,560
so much weaker than the other fundamental forces of nature.

1014
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:56,319
So this theory warped geometry is derived from m theory.

1015
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,840
It was developed by physicists at Harvard and John Hopkins Universities,

1016
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,000
but it's also based on other theories that came before that,

1017
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,840
and it explains why gravity is exponentially weaker than the

1018
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,760
other forces of nature. So it's believed that the two

1019
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,800
four dimensional membranes in warped geometry are either ends of

1020
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,399
this five dimensional bulk. Of course, one membrane we live on,

1021
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,680
the weak membrane. The second membrane is called the gravity

1022
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,840
brain and is parallel to the weak membrane. It is

1023
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,880
believed that the gravity brain is warped in such a way,

1024
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,319
and brains can have warping to them that affects spacetime

1025
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:43,319
near them. It's believed that the gravity brain is warped

1026
01:13:43,359 --> 01:13:47,079
in such a way that almost all gravitons and what

1027
01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:50,000
is called the bulk, the five dimensional bulk in between,

1028
01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:56,560
causes virtually all gravitons to want to hug the gravity

1029
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:02,079
brain and not stay stay in the larger bulk. So

1030
01:14:02,119 --> 01:14:06,399
they gravitons in the four dimensional weak membrane where we

1031
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:11,039
live our universe are free to move over to the

1032
01:14:11,079 --> 01:14:15,000
five dimensional bulk, but the vast majority of them, exponentially

1033
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:20,439
large amount, move over towards the gravity brain. And that

1034
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:26,600
explains the weakness of gravity on the four dim weak

1035
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,800
brain that we live on that is at about ten

1036
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:36,000
or trillion electron volt energy level. And there is something

1037
01:14:36,039 --> 01:14:41,399
called the graviton probability function which goes up steeply sharply

1038
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:46,039
as you get closer to the gravity brain. Between the

1039
01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:49,680
two gravity the two four dimensional membranes that are sitting

1040
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,520
out there in the five dimensional bulk. And now we're

1041
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:59,079
going to see the solution to the UFO question and

1042
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:04,039
the technology. So we now know that we know from

1043
01:15:04,199 --> 01:15:10,800
general relativity that strong gravity shrinks distance. So this is

1044
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,840
just normal general relativity that is well understood. Where gravity

1045
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:20,159
is strong, distance between points shrinks. Okay, this is important,

1046
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,800
and I believe UFOs are penetrating into this five dimensional

1047
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:32,079
bulk to go between the stars. In other words, Mother nature.

1048
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:37,960
We don't have to warp space time ourselves, or if

1049
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,800
we can just figure out how to get into the

1050
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,319
five dimensional bulk. Then we can take advantage of the

1051
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:50,199
warped nature of that five dimensional bulk. It's severely warped,

1052
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:54,159
so distance will shrink and we use that as a

1053
01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:57,960
pathway to the stars. It shortens distance and in other words,

1054
01:15:58,039 --> 01:16:01,520
we do not need to vibe to come up with

1055
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:07,520
the argantuan energy needed to warp space time. Mother nature

1056
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,159
does it for us. That is the key.

1057
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: And so you think other civilizations, intelligence civilizations have figured

1058
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,399
out this puzzle.

1059
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we'll get back to that. We'll get to

1060
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:25,319
that in one second. So and so, basically what I

1061
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:28,199
did a graphic here which people they are watching the

1062
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:32,920
show on YouTube can see, but it just basically shows

1063
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:37,199
the warping of space time. And one of the things

1064
01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:41,399
we will see in particle accelerators if these extra dimensions exist,

1065
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:47,000
we will see undetected energy loss, which is KK particles

1066
01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:51,560
going back into the five dimensional bulk. And by the way,

1067
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,640
that comes important in a second. Okay, So I believe

1068
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,520
what UFOs are doing is they are there. Are they

1069
01:16:59,119 --> 01:17:04,000
They're coming through the bulk to our somehow they figured

1070
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,800
out they have their own GPS system to navigate the

1071
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,359
five dimensional bulk. Remember that's not that's part of our

1072
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,640
larger universe, but not part of the four dimensional universe

1073
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,880
we're in okay, although we're in a sense part of

1074
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:23,119
that bigger and they are. They have figured out how

1075
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,520
I believe what they're doing is they're surrounding their ship

1076
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:33,159
with KK gravitons. And these KK gravitons. If anybody who

1077
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:37,600
has seen the movie Extraterrestrial Et, what is the number

1078
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:41,399
one thing Et wants to do? He wants to go home?

1079
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:48,359
Thank you Martin, that was perfect. He wants to go home.

1080
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,760
The same is true of these KK gravitons. So I

1081
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:57,039
believe these other civilizations are in our four dimensional universe,

1082
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,159
maybe Alpha Centauri the closes star system to us for

1083
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:03,760
all you know. And they are. They figured out how

1084
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,680
to surround their ship with these KK gravitons, pull it

1085
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:12,359
into the bulk, and then you take advantage of the

1086
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:16,000
shrunken distance in the bulk to travel to our sun

1087
01:18:17,319 --> 01:18:21,680
soul sol And as it is known in Greek mythology.

1088
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,920
And they figured out how to reduce the number of

1089
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,079
KK gravitons around their ship and allow the ship to

1090
01:18:30,079 --> 01:18:35,199
go back out into the four dimensional universe. And then

1091
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:39,840
they pop out if they probably have long ago figured

1092
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:45,560
out a navigation system their own five dimensional GPS, and

1093
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,159
so I think that's what they're doing.

1094
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: And Antonio kind of works off of this. I've seen

1095
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,399
him at a presentation where he thinks they have like

1096
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,159
lanes almost.

1097
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 2: In the big Yeah. Mark saw one of my presentations

1098
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,039
many years agout, ten years ago, and he likes the same.

1099
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,640
He picked up the concept there and he likes he

1100
01:19:11,039 --> 01:19:16,520
believes it's he likes the concept. And I and another

1101
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,680
guy that also in the UFO field like Mark, that

1102
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:27,159
also liked the concept was Stanton Friedman. Do you remember Stanton?

1103
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:30,720
He unfortunately, unfortunately he passed away a few years ago,

1104
01:19:31,239 --> 01:19:34,199
but he was a nuclear physicist and when I did

1105
01:19:34,199 --> 01:19:37,920
a talk up at Exeter in New Hampshire, he came

1106
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,960
up to me afterwards he said, Bob, he said, I

1107
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,159
think you might be onto something, you know. So, But anyway,

1108
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,199
so I'm going to tell you and I'm going to

1109
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,279
go back to one of the stories we looked at

1110
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:55,399
way back at the beginning, Sir Francis Chichester, the world

1111
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,239
famous pilot back in nineteen thirty one. Now mind you,

1112
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,239
this is way before people were talking about UFOs but

1113
01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:07,199
he described a UFO well at that time he called

1114
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:09,399
it a craft. He did a ship. I think the

1115
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,760
word he used was ship. This was one in thirty one,

1116
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:16,960
nineteen thirty one, and he was And it's in his

1117
01:20:17,079 --> 01:20:21,880
book The Lonely Sea and Sky on page one sixty five,

1118
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,279
if anybody wants to look. And here's an exact quote

1119
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:29,920
from Sir Francis Chichester. He was knighted later for his accomplishments.

1120
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:36,640
The object came on, but instead of increasing in size,

1121
01:20:37,359 --> 01:20:41,000
it diminished as it approached, and I emphasized that in

1122
01:20:41,039 --> 01:20:45,079
the slide for the people listening to the audio. When

1123
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:49,600
and when it was quite near, it suddenly became its

1124
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,720
own ghost. One second I could see right through it,

1125
01:20:55,319 --> 01:20:59,079
and the next it had entirely vanished. And in another

1126
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,399
chapter he says he could see the waves and the

1127
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,279
ocean below it. Now I want everybody to pay attention

1128
01:21:06,359 --> 01:21:10,479
to what he said. It diminished, meaning it shrunk as

1129
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:14,920
it approached him, which doesn't make sense unless if it

1130
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,000
was pushing into the bulk and he was seeing the

1131
01:21:18,199 --> 01:21:20,640
ghost image of it as it was passing into the bulk,

1132
01:21:21,079 --> 01:21:24,840
it might very well appear to shrink in the bulk.

1133
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:28,119
Because the bulk the distances shrink.

1134
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,119
Speaker 1: But how would he and it would I would think

1135
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,720
that it would look like it was going away if

1136
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,319
it was getting smaller, you know, But he knew it

1137
01:21:37,359 --> 01:21:38,279
was coming toward him.

1138
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,359
Speaker 2: Yep, he knew it was coming toward him because it

1139
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:44,079
was right next to a cloud, and this thing was

1140
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,600
right on the edge of this cloud. And as he

1141
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,199
approached the cloud, he would have if it was an

1142
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:53,239
opticon or no, if it was something that was happening everywhere,

1143
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:54,720
the cloud would have shrunk too.

1144
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:55,319
Speaker 1: But it didn't.

1145
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 2: Only the object shrink. But that's a good question. So

1146
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,039
now I'm going to give an example of how warp

1147
01:22:04,119 --> 01:22:11,119
geometry works UFOs traveling in the bulk. So, as I mentioned,

1148
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:16,680
work geometry affects distance and distant shrinks in the warped

1149
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,880
five dimensional bulk. Then it turns out that the nearest

1150
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,960
star system to Earth is Alpha Century. It's at four

1151
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:30,119
point three light years are about twenty five trillion miles.

1152
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:34,279
And now the gravity force in the bulk increases by

1153
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,920
sixteen orders of magnitude as you approach the plank brain,

1154
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,640
that is, the gravity brain on the other end of

1155
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,720
the five dimensional bulk. That's ten to the sixteen power

1156
01:22:46,399 --> 01:22:51,239
stronger gravity over there than we experience. Believe me, that's

1157
01:22:51,279 --> 01:22:55,359
the number one, followed by sixteen zeros and that's strong,

1158
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,439
and so distance really shrinks in there. And by the way,

1159
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,479
I believe the UFOs protect themselves by surrounding themselves with

1160
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:11,079
vast amounts of micro black holes, which are created by gravitans.

1161
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:16,000
So if we assume that the UFO only only goes

1162
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:19,000
part way into the bulk, they're too lazy to go further.

1163
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,880
And so where gravity is only ten to the twelve

1164
01:23:23,399 --> 01:23:28,920
orders of magnitude stronger than what it is on the membrane,

1165
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:36,600
then the distance to Alpha Centauri shrinks from twenty five

1166
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:46,239
trillion miles to a mere twenty five miles. And Martin

1167
01:23:46,279 --> 01:23:49,600
and I could jump in our car and drive to

1168
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:54,600
Alpha century in half an hour and hopefully not get

1169
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:58,720
caught by the five dimensional bulk police.

1170
01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:04,119
Speaker 1: Well, I really don't have anything going on, but now listen, though,

1171
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,039
you know, the one thing I've always wondered on how

1172
01:24:08,079 --> 01:24:15,319
people conventionally think of something, you know, going at what

1173
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:18,560
do you call warp speed or whatever? Is? First of

1174
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:22,800
all is how do they avoid particles you know and

1175
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,520
things that may you know, at such a high speed,

1176
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,000
and then how do they stop?

1177
01:24:28,399 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 2: Very question? Two things, and that's a great question. Is

1178
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:32,840
that a question that came in?

1179
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,239
Speaker 1: No, no, something, I thought.

1180
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,239
Speaker 2: Okay, so what Martin asked?

1181
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: So?

1182
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,279
Speaker 2: How how do they protect themselves as they move through

1183
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:45,079
the five dimensional bulk from particles that are in there?

1184
01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:45,520
Speaker 1: Wait?

1185
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,159
Speaker 2: What was the other part? Then? How they stop? And

1186
01:24:48,199 --> 01:24:54,079
how do they stop? Okay? They protect themselves by surrounding

1187
01:24:54,119 --> 01:24:59,079
the craft, I believe, with micro black holes, which are

1188
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:04,199
created by kk gravitons. And this is something we expect

1189
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:08,680
to do in particle accelerators. If these extra dimensions exist.

1190
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,520
It may take a bigger particle accelerator than the large

1191
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:16,560
hadron collider in Geneva, Switzerland, but hopefully we'll be able

1192
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:21,279
to do it. And other civilizations look like they've already

1193
01:25:21,319 --> 01:25:24,439
been doing it for many, many years, I mean millennia,

1194
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:30,119
maybe millions of years. And so these micro black holes,

1195
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:34,479
if you remember, way back at the beginning of the talk,

1196
01:25:35,039 --> 01:25:39,560
I mentioned that micro black holes will absorb, or at

1197
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:44,279
least cause to orbit around them any particle going at

1198
01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:46,279
the speed of lighter near the speed of lighter, even

1199
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:49,239
slower than the speed of light, considerably slower, so that

1200
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,640
any particle that so they'll be, each UFO is surrounded

1201
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:58,079
by a shroud of micro black holes, and so as

1202
01:25:58,079 --> 01:26:00,319
they're moving through the bulk, or for that matter, through

1203
01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:04,359
our atmosphere, any particles that hit them are just absorbed

1204
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:09,680
or temporarily going to orbit around these micro black holes.

1205
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,399
That's what happens to them, and they don't affect the

1206
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,199
UFO at all. The guys can be inside drinking a

1207
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:21,880
cup of coffee, watching back to the future, and they'll

1208
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,560
be perfectly fine, you know. And so that's how they

1209
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:29,159
do it. Now. As far as accelerating and decelerating in

1210
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:32,760
the bulk, I believe they are subject to Newton's laws

1211
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,960
of action and reaction, just like we are. And I

1212
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,039
think they're able and see now, one of the things

1213
01:26:38,119 --> 01:26:43,880
I think they do is because because they surround themselves

1214
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:48,119
the micro black holes, they're absorbing all these gravitons around them.

1215
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,920
So the bulk, or for that matter, the four dimensional

1216
01:26:54,199 --> 01:26:58,880
membrane that we live on, called the weak membrane our universe,

1217
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:04,239
we do not the gravity that occurs there, whether in

1218
01:27:04,279 --> 01:27:08,399
the bulk or on the weak membrane, does not see

1219
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:13,239
this object as being massive. That is having a lot

1220
01:27:13,279 --> 01:27:17,239
of mass. In fact, they probably maintain a tiny mass,

1221
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,439
but the mass is so insignificant that all they have

1222
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,560
to do is shoot out a couple of gamma rays

1223
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,680
out the back action reaction, and they can move through

1224
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:31,439
the bulk and their GPS system, assuming that they've figured

1225
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:35,520
out how to navigate in the bulk, probably millions of

1226
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,600
years ago or at least advanced civilizations that they know that,

1227
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,800
as they know when they're going to be approaching their

1228
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:48,079
own planet. So at that point they reverse the thrust

1229
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:49,760
and go out the other way. But they don't need

1230
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:54,399
a whole lot of thrust because neither the bulk nor

1231
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,760
the weak brain sees an object that has a lot

1232
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:02,600
of mass because the micro black holes absorb so many gravitons.

1233
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:06,000
Oh and of course gravitons are needed to communicate the

1234
01:28:06,039 --> 01:28:12,000
gravitational force to measure mass gravitons. When you get up

1235
01:28:12,039 --> 01:28:15,640
in the morning and stumble out of bed, the gravitons

1236
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:19,359
are going back and forth between your you, yourself and

1237
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,039
the Earth. And and that's how the mother Earth is

1238
01:28:23,079 --> 01:28:28,359
measuring your weight. And that's why you're stumbling. So and

1239
01:28:28,399 --> 01:28:30,359
I'm a runner. By the way, I've run the Boston

1240
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:35,399
Marathon three times, and I stumble too, and so and

1241
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:39,279
not until your first cup of coffee, the first anti

1242
01:28:39,319 --> 01:28:44,920
gravity uh technology, a cup of coffee, Are you're finally

1243
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,079
able to withstand gravity and move on with the day's

1244
01:28:48,079 --> 01:28:52,239
business in it? And so. But the UFO, though, if

1245
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:54,319
I was, if I and when I jumped out of bed,

1246
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,159
if I was surrounded by these micro black holes like

1247
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:01,880
the UFO is, the Earth would only measure my mass

1248
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,520
as being an ounce and I'd be hopping around having

1249
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,800
a grand old time. I wouldn't even need a cup

1250
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:08,399
of coffee.

1251
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: How can how can the miniature black holes whatever you

1252
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,199
call them, micro black holes? How can they be maintained?

1253
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 2: That's a good question. We're going to get to that.

1254
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,439
You may be jumping ahead a little bit, but I'll

1255
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:23,840
show you that.

1256
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I just want to I want to put a

1257
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:31,159
here's another thing in the chat, and I'm going to

1258
01:29:31,239 --> 01:29:33,279
repeat this because a lot of people seem to claim this,

1259
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,159
and that is uh, there are UFO crafts that are

1260
01:29:37,159 --> 01:29:39,359
bigger on the inside than they are on the outside.

1261
01:29:39,399 --> 01:29:40,159
A lot of people have.

1262
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,399
Speaker 2: Oh that idea, that's kind of like, what's that guy

1263
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,479
the guy that travels around in the phone booth.

1264
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, people like Travis Walton have mentioned it. Yes, and

1265
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,760
then there's been a number of people that claim, you know,

1266
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,000
they've been abducted on board something.

1267
01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 2: It's an interesting idea, the idea that the inside of

1268
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,920
the UFO has different measurements than the outside in a

1269
01:30:07,079 --> 01:30:10,640
sense that maybe perhaps is possible, in the sense that

1270
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:15,079
the micro black holes on the outside, of course, create

1271
01:30:15,159 --> 01:30:20,640
a tremendous gravity force and they are then shaping space

1272
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:26,520
time around the UFO. There may be an inner part

1273
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,880
of the UFO that is permanent, but the outer part,

1274
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:34,520
not the UFO itself, but what appears to be the UFO,

1275
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:41,000
which whose shape could potentially change as the gravitons, the

1276
01:30:41,159 --> 01:30:47,039
level of KK gravitons that are created is moderated or changed,

1277
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,520
and it might actually affect what appears to be the

1278
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,000
shape of the UFO. But on the inside, the guys

1279
01:30:53,039 --> 01:30:58,479
are perfectly happy and enjoying their coffee. You know. So,

1280
01:30:59,319 --> 01:31:01,640
but what was the other thing, Oh, I want to

1281
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,479
get to the other question you had. How do they

1282
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,840
maintain the KK gravitons or increase or decrease?

1283
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,159
Speaker 1: How do they maintain the black holes?

1284
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,039
Speaker 2: And so that's just a cartoon for the people watching

1285
01:31:14,079 --> 01:31:18,319
the YouTube video. I have a cartoon Bart simps of

1286
01:31:19,159 --> 01:31:24,239
Homer Simpson grumbling about Bart saying he goes to Alpha

1287
01:31:24,279 --> 01:31:28,680
Centuri in just thirty minutes, and Homer says, yeah, sure.

1288
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,920
But in the background in the window you see Bart

1289
01:31:33,079 --> 01:31:36,039
being sucked up by a UFO. Yeah.

1290
01:31:36,359 --> 01:31:41,560
Speaker 1: Now you know that one of the illustrators on The

1291
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:43,840
Simpsons is really into UFOs.

1292
01:31:44,039 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 2: No I didn't.

1293
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:49,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and all kinds of paintings he did Lee

1294
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:53,319
Spiegel's concept of his UFO encounter and stuff. He's a

1295
01:31:53,319 --> 01:31:56,000
great guy. He goes to a lot of kidding.

1296
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 2: Gee, we want to get in touch with him. And

1297
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:03,159
then so now going back, excuse Remember I just wanted

1298
01:32:03,159 --> 01:32:08,039
to jump back to the two big questions on UFO technology.

1299
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,000
The first question was how do they get here? And

1300
01:32:12,039 --> 01:32:16,880
the answer is they're taking advantage of the natural warped

1301
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:21,920
pathway provided by Mother Nature, and so we don't need

1302
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:25,720
the energy to warp space time. Mother Nature has done

1303
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,640
it for us. And I find that kind of amazing.

1304
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,720
It's almost as if the universe was created for intelligent

1305
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,399
life and then when it evolved to a certain point,

1306
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:38,560
it would be able to go visit each other and

1307
01:32:39,079 --> 01:32:41,159
you know, say hey, what are you guys up to?

1308
01:32:41,359 --> 01:32:44,880
You know and so. But anyway, that does answer the

1309
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:49,600
first question this natural warped pathway and the final in

1310
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,840
the five dimensional bulk. The second question is how are

1311
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:58,479
these craft able to perform a inertia defying acrobatics in

1312
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,159
Earth's atmosphere? Is real quick? We can answer this very quick.

1313
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:07,600
So so KK gravitons are created by the micro black

1314
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:12,560
holes as I talked about, and and in the four

1315
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:17,760
dimensional uh, four dimensional micro black black holes will decay

1316
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:24,159
into after they are created into fermions scaler basons both sorry,

1317
01:33:24,199 --> 01:33:27,319
both on and gauge both sons, and don't worry about

1318
01:33:27,319 --> 01:33:31,760
the technical word. But we will see something and a

1319
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,399
lot of people will be familiar with this term, something

1320
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:40,760
called Hawking radiation, named after Stephen Hawking, the famous English physicist.

1321
01:33:41,119 --> 01:33:44,279
And this, by the way, is important. And Mark D'Antonio,

1322
01:33:44,319 --> 01:33:49,319
if you're listening, this is something uh, you know, maybe

1323
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:55,039
we can collaborate on. And because it's in order, I

1324
01:33:55,079 --> 01:33:57,760
believe we may be able if we can detect Hawking

1325
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:02,840
radiation from these UFOs. I know Doug Trumpel was a

1326
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,680
guy that Mark used to work with. Unfortunately, Doug Trouble

1327
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:13,680
Trumpell passed away, but he was working on building a platform,

1328
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:18,840
a mobile platform based on a hum V which had

1329
01:34:19,359 --> 01:34:23,960
equipment to detect various radiation UH emissions coming out of

1330
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:28,359
these UFOs. And should I be lucky enough to win

1331
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,560
the mega millions of the power ball, Mark, I'm getting

1332
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,439
in touch with you so we can get in touch

1333
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:40,279
with whoever's still remaining involved with Mark Trumple's project.

1334
01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: And we know that somewhere some of it exactly.

1335
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,239
Speaker 2: And it's it's there's a video which we can't show

1336
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:53,680
for copyright, I think, but it's under UFO tog U

1337
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:58,039
f O t O G for photography and look UFO dog,

1338
01:34:58,399 --> 01:35:02,359
Doug Trumpel, there's a fantastic five minute video that I

1339
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,800
urge everybody to take a look at. You can look

1340
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,079
at it individually, but for copyright reasons, we can't show

1341
01:35:08,079 --> 01:35:12,119
it on the YouTube. Heer. So going back to the microso,

1342
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:15,199
I mean the micro black holes. So these four D

1343
01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:22,159
gravitons are absorbed by the micro black holes that are

1344
01:35:22,359 --> 01:35:28,920
so so, and that means that the graviton exchange between

1345
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,680
planet Earth and the UFO is reduced. I don't think entirely.

1346
01:35:33,079 --> 01:35:36,880
I think it leaves a tiny amount of masks to

1347
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,000
be detected by the planet Earth, and they need that

1348
01:35:40,079 --> 01:35:43,760
for an action reaction engine. And by the way, I

1349
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:50,479
believe these UFOs are still subject to Newton's laws of

1350
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:55,720
action reaction going back what three years, four hundred years.

1351
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,359
But the key thing to remember in this is that

1352
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:06,319
instead of so this is not anti gravity, So that's

1353
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:13,239
not what this is. Instead, the apparent mass of the UFO,

1354
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:19,960
as far as the Earth is concerned, is reduced severely, tremendously,

1355
01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:26,399
and which means since Einstein said the gravitational mass and

1356
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:32,560
the inertial mass are equivalent, that's the foundation of general relativity.

1357
01:36:33,119 --> 01:36:37,279
Since they are equivalent, that means the inertial mass of

1358
01:36:37,359 --> 01:36:41,760
the UFO is reduced as well. And that's how these

1359
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:46,880
UFOs are able to overcome inertial forces. I gotta put

1360
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:51,000
them on. Yeah, we got to. If I can interrupt,

1361
01:36:51,159 --> 01:36:53,960
we have a message coming in. Oh god it We're good.

1362
01:36:54,039 --> 01:36:58,560
We're very close in them. So I'm just showing a picture.

1363
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,479
It shows kk gravitys and micro black holes around a UFO,

1364
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:07,720
and a more detailed picture and so another slide showing

1365
01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:13,239
the equivalence of inertial mass and gravitational mass, and so

1366
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:17,800
now we're going to get to what UFOs are. And

1367
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:23,319
I'm okay. The Large Hadron Collider, which is a massive

1368
01:37:23,359 --> 01:37:27,119
particle accelerator located in Geneva, Switzerland. I think it's like,

1369
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,079
I don't know, thirteen miles in diameter or something like that,

1370
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:34,159
and this thing is gigantic, and I'm also called the

1371
01:37:34,319 --> 01:37:39,680
LHC Large Hadron Collider. Hadron means heavy Greek Greek word.

1372
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:44,199
It means heavy particles. They smash them together and it's

1373
01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:47,600
expected to produce or they hope to produce KK gravitons

1374
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,239
and micro black holes to be produced in turn from

1375
01:37:51,239 --> 01:37:52,199
the KK gravitar I.

1376
01:37:52,199 --> 01:37:55,159
Speaker 1: Thought they produced the micro black holes for a few

1377
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:57,520
fraction of a second.

1378
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,319
Speaker 2: I do that. I don't know. I don't think so.

1379
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 1: I thought that they might have, but I might have

1380
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,960
that totally wrong. I keep I'm sure I'm going to

1381
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,439
be corrected because people, there's a lot of people out

1382
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:09,760
there that will no. No.

1383
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 2: I hope SO in a UFO, because if SO were

1384
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:21,880
on the threshold UFO configurations. The shapes of UFOs are

1385
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:26,840
typically disk, cylinders, and spheres. Even triangle UFOs have bright

1386
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,680
circles in each corner. So many of you have already

1387
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,159
figured out what this is coming to. So why do

1388
01:38:32,319 --> 01:38:37,199
UFOs have this circular aspect to their shapes. Because UFOs

1389
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:42,439
are particle accelerators, That's what they are. And to Martin's

1390
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:46,359
earlier question, how do they maintain the level of KK

1391
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:51,399
gravitons and and UH and the micro black holes. They

1392
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:56,079
just they keep these particle accelerators going all the time.

1393
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:59,439
And so whenever the thing is operating, it's cranking out

1394
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:03,880
K A gravitons and micro black holes and A and

1395
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,479
and A. Shout out to Mark again, Mark, if we

1396
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,439
can if if either you can win the Mega millions

1397
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,479
are Powerball, or if I can win it, or Martin

1398
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:16,640
can win it, and he's willing to fund us, if

1399
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:22,039
we could fund a fleet of of these mobile mobile

1400
01:39:23,159 --> 01:39:27,520
detection centers that UH Doug Trumpell came up with it

1401
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,439
designed and built, and I want to add some additional

1402
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:34,640
equipment to those equipment that will detect hawking radiation. He

1403
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,960
didn't include that in his UH and in the various

1404
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:42,479
equipment that he included in UH detection equipment, But I

1405
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:46,920
want a walking radiation if we can detect that that

1406
01:39:47,159 --> 01:39:52,560
would virtually confirm that these UFOs are producing micro black

1407
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:56,119
holes from KK gravitons, and that's how they're operating.

1408
01:39:56,279 --> 01:40:00,279
Speaker 1: And they have not just to correct myself, they have

1409
01:40:00,399 --> 01:40:04,359
not produced and they think it may be possible, but

1410
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:08,399
some people are thinking it's never possible, so it's controversial.

1411
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 2: It's yeah. Well, uh. The next slide I have here

1412
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,439
for the for the audio people and for those who

1413
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,640
are actually looking at it is a cartoon of Professor

1414
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:22,840
Lansberg was fast regretting becoming the first man to successfully

1415
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:27,600
create many black hole in the laboratory, and it shows

1416
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:28,960
them being sucked into the black hole.

1417
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:31,039
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are really scared about

1418
01:40:31,079 --> 01:40:34,319
that too, like them. No, no, it's not a problem,

1419
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,159
I know, but people are they think it could destroy

1420
01:40:37,239 --> 01:40:40,600
the whole earth. There are people that.

1421
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 2: And no, it's not a problem. In fact, what happens

1422
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:48,439
is micro black holes. The physicists know for sure that

1423
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,279
almost as soon as they are formed, very quickly, within seconds,

1424
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:57,800
they they decay into hawking radiation. And I'm going to

1425
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:59,760
get to that in a second too, So we don't

1426
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:03,319
have to worry about that all we want to So.

1427
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 1: This is just a real quick question from one of

1428
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:07,319
the listeners, love to hear Doctor Richard wants to know

1429
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:11,079
have you ever discussed your ideas with other physicists and

1430
01:41:11,319 --> 01:41:12,399
if so, what do they think.

1431
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:17,319
Speaker 2: Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist, and he loved it. He thinks

1432
01:41:17,359 --> 01:41:20,800
that there's something to it. Unfortunately Stanton passed away a

1433
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:21,520
few years ago.

1434
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:22,239
Speaker 1: Anyone else.

1435
01:41:23,279 --> 01:41:28,239
Speaker 2: I have talked to some other scientists and our people

1436
01:41:28,279 --> 01:41:31,479
in the science community, and they too say, you know this,

1437
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:35,279
this sounds plausible, you know, and it really depends upon

1438
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:40,199
whether they discover these extra dimensions. Oh and by the way,

1439
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,960
that I forgot to mention this a little bit further back.

1440
01:41:44,399 --> 01:41:49,319
The reason why I believe these extra dimensions exist and

1441
01:41:49,359 --> 01:41:52,399
that we just haven't detected them yet but we will

1442
01:41:53,039 --> 01:41:57,720
is because of all those stories about UFOs becoming partially

1443
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:01,479
transparent and disappearing or is it as well as Captain

1444
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:05,840
Schultz in nineteen eighty one observing what UFO that seemed

1445
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:10,600
to be splitting out of the blue sky and breaking

1446
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,279
out into our four dimensional universe. And I believe that

1447
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,640
is an example of one coming in and the others

1448
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:23,319
are examples of UFOs leaving our four dimensional space time

1449
01:42:24,279 --> 01:42:26,000
and here's another.

1450
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 1: Quick question here, And if their ship was covered in

1451
01:42:29,039 --> 01:42:33,439
micro black holes, wouldn't they be invisible to the naked eye?

1452
01:42:34,119 --> 01:42:39,039
Speaker 2: No, micro black holes are invisible. Oh yep, So now

1453
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:44,039
that and there's but that does deserve a bit more

1454
01:42:44,119 --> 01:42:49,239
to it. Here's what I want to point out. Inside

1455
01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:52,399
the bulk, the number of micro black holes they create

1456
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:57,159
will be tremendous. And there that whoever wrote that question.

1457
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:02,359
So if you were able to see in the five

1458
01:43:02,399 --> 01:43:06,920
dimensional bulk, which I think again, then you would probably

1459
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,199
not be able to see the UFO because there be

1460
01:43:09,239 --> 01:43:13,359
so many micro black holes that they would absorb photons. However,

1461
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,359
and this is key I thought about this, and that's

1462
01:43:16,399 --> 01:43:21,720
an extraordinarily good question. And our four dimensional space time

1463
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,840
that we live in the weak brain weak membrane, the

1464
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:30,239
number of gravitons is so few that we don't and

1465
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:35,199
there's way more photons than there are gravitons that we

1466
01:43:35,239 --> 01:43:39,359
only need a small number of gravitons to absorb the

1467
01:43:39,399 --> 01:43:43,920
tiny number of gravitons that are emitted exchange between the

1468
01:43:44,039 --> 01:43:48,800
UFO and Planet Earth. Isn't that fascinating? We don't need

1469
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:53,720
a whole lot of micro black holes because remember gravity

1470
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:59,119
is incredibly weak compared to the electromagnetic force, which is

1471
01:43:59,159 --> 01:44:04,199
related to photons. So therefore, or to put it a

1472
01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:08,680
little differently, the photons there may be ten to the

1473
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:13,479
thirtieth one followed by thirty zeros, more photons than there

1474
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:17,800
are gravitas. So we only need a handful of gravitons

1475
01:44:18,119 --> 01:44:24,000
to make this craft to eliminate the inertial its inertial mass,

1476
01:44:24,199 --> 01:44:27,800
or to reduce its inertial mass, and so it would

1477
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:31,640
still be perfectly visible. But I will grant one thing.

1478
01:44:32,119 --> 01:44:33,800
Do you know the name of the questionnaire?

1479
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 1: TJ. T Hammer?

1480
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:40,159
Speaker 2: T Hammer? Sorry, T Hammer. Your question is very interesting

1481
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,880
in another respect, if you remember, early on in the

1482
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:49,399
talk we talked about the UFOs that were passing overhead

1483
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,560
that observers noted that parts of it appeared solid and

1484
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:58,279
parts of it appeared wavy. So that may indeed be

1485
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:02,439
those parts. The gravitons are a bit stronger, and they're

1486
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:07,840
and so they're distorting light in those areas. And so

1487
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:13,000
that's a terrific question. And I don't I think that's

1488
01:45:13,039 --> 01:45:16,319
pretty much it. Oh, we have a few minutes left.

1489
01:45:16,319 --> 01:45:18,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I also going to play that video

1490
01:45:18,119 --> 01:45:19,159
when we're doo.

1491
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:23,359
Speaker 2: Oh, excellent. There's some circumstantial evidence that is very important.

1492
01:45:24,319 --> 01:45:27,640
Just two pieces that are very very interesting. Number one

1493
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,199
is a UFO observed over over Sonora, California in nineteen

1494
01:45:32,319 --> 01:45:37,159
seventy six. And the second piece of circumstantial evidence was

1495
01:45:37,159 --> 01:45:40,560
a is a crisis in physics and we're going to

1496
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:44,880
get into those were first look at the UFO and Sonora, California.

1497
01:45:45,159 --> 01:45:48,279
So the UFO sighting in Sonora, California.

1498
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,279
Speaker 1: Oh, the angels here, Yeah, I remember that. You remember.

1499
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 2: See it's wonderful being with Martin because he goes way

1500
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:02,119
back to exactly every heard what Martin said. It was

1501
01:46:02,199 --> 01:46:04,840
dangling in the trees and a woman came out and

1502
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:09,039
had the presence of mind. She had a clean, empty

1503
01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:12,680
jar of mayonnaise that was formerly from with mayonnaise, and

1504
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,920
she she gathered up, put it in the jar, sealed it,

1505
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:20,359
and then gave it to some scientists. But what was

1506
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:25,119
found in the angel hair was tritium, which is amazing

1507
01:46:25,159 --> 01:46:29,279
from the UFO. Tritium is rare in nature, but guess

1508
01:46:29,279 --> 01:46:32,880
where it's found. It's found in particle accelerators.

1509
01:46:33,079 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 1: Really, isn't that amazing.

1510
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:39,119
Speaker 2: There's there's kind of secondhand circumstantial evidence that these things

1511
01:46:39,159 --> 01:46:41,159
are giant particle accelerators.

1512
01:46:41,279 --> 01:46:42,560
Speaker 1: About that, it.

1513
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:47,600
Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing? And when I first saw that, I said, so,

1514
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:49,079
I said.

1515
01:46:48,199 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 1: How was tritium you know? Produced?

1516
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:54,199
Speaker 2: And the accelerator it just happens to be a byproduct

1517
01:46:54,520 --> 01:47:00,359
of the various UH reactions that are taking place, and

1518
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:05,520
so the interactions. Now, the second thing is the crisis

1519
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:11,159
in physics, and there's a theory called supersymmetry, which was

1520
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:14,800
supposed to solve the hierarchy problem. The hierarchy problem, if

1521
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:19,279
everybody remembers, is the weakness of gravity and compared to

1522
01:47:19,319 --> 01:47:22,880
the other three fundamental forces in nature, the strong nuclear force,

1523
01:47:23,039 --> 01:47:27,479
weak nuclear force, and electromaticism. So it was believed that

1524
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:34,640
supersymmetry would solve the hierarchy problem. But supersymmetry, as particle

1525
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:37,840
accelerators became more and more powerful, it was expected that

1526
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:44,039
we would begin seeing particles predicted by supersymmetry, but they

1527
01:47:44,079 --> 01:47:50,159
have never been seen, and that put the entire supersymmetry

1528
01:47:50,199 --> 01:47:53,279
physics community into it. Let me put it this way,

1529
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:58,319
a dither. They were really upset about this because the

1530
01:47:58,359 --> 01:48:02,600
particles they predicted to be there but they weren't, which

1531
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:09,479
means the failure of supersymmetry, which solved the hierarchy problem,

1532
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:15,439
means that concepts like warped geometry are now way more likely.

1533
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,800
And that's exactly what I believe is going to happen.

1534
01:48:19,399 --> 01:48:21,399
So the question is where do we go from here?

1535
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:26,399
And I'll just briefly describe and can we prove yes,

1536
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:30,800
the Large Hadron Collider will give evidence confirming or disproving

1537
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:34,840
M theory and warp geometry. It's going to take They're

1538
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,199
going to be upgrading that in a few years, and

1539
01:48:37,239 --> 01:48:39,600
I think it's going to take a more powerful accelerator

1540
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:43,840
to really get at this. The second thing is more

1541
01:48:44,119 --> 01:48:49,159
UFO data needs to be acquired. In particular, a full

1542
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:54,960
spectrum analysis of brightly lit UFOs whose emissions show it

1543
01:48:55,039 --> 01:49:00,119
working at maximum power would provide critical data on how

1544
01:49:00,199 --> 01:49:04,039
these things function. And and Mark D'Antonio, if you're listening

1545
01:49:04,039 --> 01:49:08,079
out there, this is where if you if we could

1546
01:49:08,079 --> 01:49:13,279
somehow hook up with the people involved with Doug Trumpell's project,

1547
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:19,359
that would be fantastic, you know. And then so so

1548
01:49:19,399 --> 01:49:24,359
what we're looking for finally is hawking radiation micro black holes.

1549
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:28,840
One more interesting piece of evidence got a guy an

1550
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:35,279
early UFO researcher who many people may remember, especially people

1551
01:49:35,279 --> 01:49:40,039
in the audience who are older, like not X and

1552
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:44,079
Z generation Martin and I are a little bit older

1553
01:49:44,079 --> 01:49:44,399
than that.

1554
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 5: What do we a.

1555
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 2: Generation and so alpha and but anyway, they so way

1556
01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:03,000
back in the fifties, all Hill, who was a NASA engineer,

1557
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:07,399
used Geiger counters to try to gather data from a

1558
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:10,520
close encounter UFO sidings. He had a whole team of

1559
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:15,039
people running around and back in the fifties, the UFOs

1560
01:50:15,039 --> 01:50:18,279
were particularly interested in the East coast of the US

1561
01:50:18,399 --> 01:50:21,199
in the early fifties. Martin had mentioned that earlier in

1562
01:50:21,239 --> 01:50:25,960
the talk nineteen fifty two and Paul Hill, the engineer

1563
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:30,760
was very lucky that one of his crews picked up

1564
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:34,279
some emissions from a UFO that was only like one

1565
01:50:34,319 --> 01:50:36,960
hundred yards away, and it was coming up and down

1566
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:42,079
below a low hill. And anyway, what they picked up

1567
01:50:42,199 --> 01:50:49,760
was an intense gamma rays and gamma rays black holes

1568
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:54,760
micro black holes, according to Hawking radiation are believed when

1569
01:50:54,800 --> 01:51:00,159
they decay to terminate in a burst of gamma rays,

1570
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:02,840
exactly what they picked up. Now, keep in mind the

1571
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,760
UFO is continually creating these micro black holes which means

1572
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:10,000
they would be continually emitting gamma rays. Oh, and I

1573
01:51:10,039 --> 01:51:13,039
might mention one other thing, for safety reasons. If you

1574
01:51:13,119 --> 01:51:15,800
happen to have a close encounter with the UFO, try

1575
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:18,239
to stay at least one hundred feet away, because those

1576
01:51:18,279 --> 01:51:23,279
gamma rays are very, very dangerous and they can they

1577
01:51:23,359 --> 01:51:28,239
can mute, mutate the cells in your body and cost cancer.

1578
01:51:28,359 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: Well there's that Canadian. Yeah, I'm trying to remember the

1579
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:38,600
lake where the guy had that radiation. Burns's real.

1580
01:51:39,079 --> 01:51:41,399
Speaker 2: Oh what does anybody remember his name?

1581
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean I could figure out in a minute something

1582
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:49,760
like that, but I'll look it up while we're sitting here. Okay,

1583
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,039
so we're going to go another I don't know, probably

1584
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:53,359
ten minutes now.

1585
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 2: Probably not even that. Oh, just a few more things

1586
01:51:56,920 --> 01:52:01,600
and I'm done. Detection of Hawking rate and that would

1587
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:05,159
be the full gamut of Hawking radiation and that that

1588
01:52:06,119 --> 01:52:10,880
has like a normal curve and would virtually confirm UFOs

1589
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:15,079
are using m theory warp geometry and KK gravitons and

1590
01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:20,439
micro black holes in their technology. Falcon Lake. Yes, and

1591
01:52:21,079 --> 01:52:26,279
I'll try to get the oh yes, Michel Mitchell Act

1592
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:31,159
so we can just before we go into that we

1593
01:52:31,239 --> 01:52:34,439
cannot predict the appearance of UFOs, but they're often seen

1594
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:38,319
multiple times in the same geographic area, such as the

1595
01:52:38,319 --> 01:52:42,439
Phoenix Lights, Hudson Valley, sidings of the Belgian triangles. So

1596
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,359
in a in a situation like that, if we could

1597
01:52:46,359 --> 01:52:49,560
and mark this is where we need your help, your connections.

1598
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:55,159
If we could get a fleet of these multile emissions

1599
01:52:55,239 --> 01:53:01,640
detectors for UFO detector detection equipment, like a dozen or

1600
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:05,640
more of these things and bring them to the sites

1601
01:53:06,119 --> 01:53:08,640
or the areas where there's a lot of sightings, would

1602
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:12,279
stand a pretty good chance of picking up the data

1603
01:53:12,359 --> 01:53:12,920
we need.

1604
01:53:13,039 --> 01:53:16,039
Speaker 1: In the there's a few other people also working with

1605
01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:20,960
the equipment like this. Yes, crystal'brien was, and even yeah,

1606
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:26,720
even Paul, Paul. I'm trying to Peter Peter at the

1607
01:53:27,159 --> 01:53:30,239
the just the last name begins of the d I

1608
01:53:30,319 --> 01:53:33,720
just can't think of right now. Who is a UFO. Yeah,

1609
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:38,279
he takes some UFO reports in one of the places, Davenport,

1610
01:53:38,279 --> 01:53:41,000
Peter daven Davenport, I know him, but I think I

1611
01:53:41,079 --> 01:53:44,359
think Peter is looking for something more like radar or

1612
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:45,560
something new Fork.

1613
01:53:46,119 --> 01:53:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, National UFO Reporting Center, And boy, that's

1614
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:52,079
pretty good between us.

1615
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, even though.

1616
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:58,279
Speaker 2: We're the alpha generation, that takes two of us.

1617
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:01,199
Speaker 1: Remember, are we done with us? We get another page.

1618
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:02,159
Speaker 2: That's it.

1619
01:54:02,359 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to stop sharing.

1620
01:54:04,279 --> 01:54:09,640
Speaker 2: But can you tell people about the mitchellac Mitchie.

1621
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:13,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so yeah that in that case, you know,

1622
01:54:13,359 --> 01:54:15,439
it was back trying to think of what there was

1623
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:20,520
nineteen sixty seven. He was basically someone that was a prospector.

1624
01:54:21,079 --> 01:54:24,000
He was out and this thing came down and there's

1625
01:54:24,039 --> 01:54:27,399
a lot of great information for you. Put that in

1626
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:31,520
the show notes the Falcon Linke incident in nineteen sixty seven.

1627
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:34,479
But he was in the hospital, his clothes were tested,

1628
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:37,359
he had like a real radiation burn on his chest

1629
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:39,800
and yeah, it was pretty serious yep.

1630
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:46,560
Speaker 2: And he had some signs of radiation poisoning. You.

1631
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:50,319
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so this this video you wanted me to play

1632
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,199
Chichester nineteen thirty one, So this is who we were

1633
01:54:53,239 --> 01:54:56,600
talking about. Absolutely, So we're gon we're going to watch

1634
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:57,680
that right now.

1635
01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:00,800
Speaker 4: It is a perfect shape. It It was shaved of well,

1636
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:05,199
like a pearl with a tail. And I watched this

1637
01:55:05,239 --> 01:55:10,359
thing and and and suddenly it disappeared, and I was

1638
01:55:10,119 --> 01:55:14,039
I thought, well, am I seeing things I'd had a

1639
01:55:14,119 --> 01:55:17,000
very grueling flight. I'd been waiting for I had an

1640
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:19,359
engine trouble, and I've been waiting for us speaking to

1641
01:55:20,039 --> 01:55:24,119
go into the sea, you know. And however, suddenly this

1642
01:55:24,199 --> 01:55:28,079
thing reappeared coming towards me, and well, I'm not gonna

1643
01:55:28,119 --> 01:55:31,399
let a girl this time. And I kept my look

1644
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:38,399
fixed on it, and it approaching fairly fast. And then suddenly, gradually,

1645
01:55:38,479 --> 01:55:43,720
rather it began to thin out, and it vanished in

1646
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,159
front of me, and before my eyes it became a

1647
01:55:46,199 --> 01:55:48,720
sort of ghost. I could see the water, the waves

1648
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:51,159
and the sea through it for one instant and then

1649
01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:52,159
it went. It vanished.

1650
01:55:54,039 --> 01:55:58,199
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. My name is Josha and Duboc.

1651
01:55:58,479 --> 01:56:02,960
I am a Retard Air Force captain. During Air Forlance

1652
01:56:03,039 --> 01:56:06,960
flight thirty five forty two from Nest to London on

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twenty eighth January nineteen ninety four, I observed with my

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crew a UFO in broaday light near Paris. The UFO

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was in evolution and it looked like this with a

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bank a girl of forty five degrees. It seemed to

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be a huge flying disc. It stabilized and stopped moving.

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We observed it over a one minute on the left

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of our plane. Surprisingly totally station are in the sky,

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and it disappeared progressively. This large object was below us

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at the altitude of thirty five thousand feet. We were

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thirty nine thousand feet at a distance of about twenty

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five noted on miles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wanted everybody to see these actual pilots

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talking about their observation sort connect it to our to

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the show and our talk.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, well, thank you so much, sir, and thank

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you Martin for having so great right here on the cape.

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And this has been a real pleasure. And so we'll

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be back next week with Earl Gray and go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Could I could I do a shout out?

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Real quick, a shout out to my wife and daughter,

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my wife Carol and my daughter Debbie in Virginia. My

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wife's right here on the cape and a few other

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respond to my friend Joe Martin, only to my brothers

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and sisters.

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Speaker 1: Is everyone watching there's spot better be.

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Speaker 2: And and and and the Wild Harpor country Store. They

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said they might be looking at it tonight too, So anyway,

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who else there was some other people. If I left

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anybody out, sorry, but I couldn't remember off the tip

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of my tongue here all right.

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Speaker 1: And and hi Ken, Yeah, my friend Ken, And yes,

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and I you know, while you're at it, I should

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do it. Just I want to pay all the people

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to help out with the show that I don't think enough.

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Palmer is excellent. He's always sending me information on UFOs

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every day. So is Phil. Phil's been great since a

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long time. Peggy out in Las Vegas my great producer

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that helps out a lot. Donna is actually watching, so

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hello Donna. Also my son Evan, he makes all the

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graphics for the show. There's a lot of people behind

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the scenes that you know, you just see the finished product,

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however it is good or bad. But there's a lot

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of people behind the scenes that really helps out a lot.

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Brock is helping out with the Facebook page. Currently there's

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about twenty two thousand people on that, so you're welcome

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to join Facebook or Facebook page. And also I never

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say this enough, but we have a mailing list of

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where we send out once a week newsletters and that

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includes the blog and information on the guests and all that.

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And you just go to podcastufo dot com on the sidebar.

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You just put in your email address, click it and

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you'll get an email to confirm and that's all there

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is to that, and you can always unsubscribe to that

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as well. Thank you so much everyone, and thanks again Bob. Yeah,

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and remember Earl Earl Gray, not the tea. The researcher

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will be here next week. Thanks everyone, keep your eye

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on