Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. Martin willis your host
and been looking forward to this with a gentleman that
was on the show years ago, I'm going to say
ten years ago or more, and he's got a really
interesting theory on UFO propulsion the possibility of it. And
even Mark D'Antonio are a good friend of the show.
He's probably listening. He actually has worked kind of with
the same idea and knows Robert. He likes to be
called Bob, so I'm going to be calling him Bob
right beside me. I'll introduced him in just a second.
Our blog from Charles Lear is expecting Bigfoot and they
see a UFO. There's some type of strange. By the way,
Charles has been writing some amazing blogs lately. Check them
out over at podcastufo dot com. We have a blog
section and there's i want to say many dozens, maybe
even over one hundred blogs there to choose from an
all very historic tidbits on UFO incidents, a lot of
historic ones that were really unique and unheard of, So
check out check this one out. The same is always
very well written, very well researched. Charles has two books
and he's going strong. He was on the show not
that long ago. But anyway, I am very excited to
honor the guests tonight. We're both on. Here we are
Ert or Bob, I'm gonna call you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here we are on the Cape. Bob has a place
on the Cape down here, and we met up where
I am and here we are. So welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Martin, thank you for having me on your show.
And as you mentioned, I've been on it before and
and that was a blast.
Speaker 3: The last time I was on it, that was up
in and I I had an office in Massachusetts, That's right.
I hadn't had an office in Woolbert. And yes, you
came there, and yeah, it was, you know, more or
less the same what we're going to talk about. But
there was so long ago, and you've had so much
time in between now and then to probably refine a
lot of the things and you know, some other ideas
along with them overtime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you would for the person who didn't
catch you, you know, ten years ago, if you would,
I know your family is there's engineers in your family,
if I remember right. Yeah, So, so I guess I
want to ask you, first of all, why the interest
in UFOs. And secondly, why trying you know, how did
you get on this road to trying to figure out
how they could possibly travel and the great distances.
Speaker 2: That's a great intro and question there. And I can
tell you that I have been interested in the UFO
phenomenon since the nineteen sixties, so you can tell them
a little bit older, so I'll admit to it. And
way back in the sixties there was something called Project
Blue Book that was run by the Air Force and
doctor J. Allen Heinek was the head of that or
the scientific advisor to that Project blue Book. And I
was fascinated with the UFO phenomenon way back then. And
I and having back in nineteen fifty seven, although I
was just a kid, I actually had a UFO sighting.
And for many of the people in the audience there
who have followed the UFO phenomenon over the years, they'll
recognize that nineteen fifty seven was a banner year in
the UFO like history because at that time we had
a flurry of UFO reports all over the Earth. It
was a UFO wave of proportions that we have not seen.
Perhaps I thought that was fifty two there was one
in fifty two, and but fifty seven was the big one. Yeah,
and that was here about it as much. Yeah, that
was right after Sputnik was launched, and it.
Speaker 1: Was right during everyone was looking up in the sky.
Speaker 2: Everybody was looking in the sky, and there were like
in level and Texas, they were close encounters with UFOs
where they came down close to the ground and stopped
trucks and cars, and many people were eyewitnesses to these
UFOs several hundred feet into Diamateur, glowing extremely brightly, and
in every single case the engine engines of the vehicles
shut down. And doctor Heineck said that was a characteristic
of close encounter UFO reports. But there were there were many,
many more reports during that during that period, and uh,
doctor Heineck eventually wrote a book on the topic. You know,
at first, doctor Heinick was a skeptic, but then later
on he became very u maybe not so much a believer,
but somebody who felt that there was something to this,
whether it was extraterrestrial or it could have a terrestrial origin,
but he was he felt that it was definitely necessary
to investigate this phenomenon. And I've been interested in this
ever since, and I can I do a little biography.
So I have a degree in math from Rutgers University
and a degree in aerospace engineering. And so I ended
up working for a computer company, Hewlett Packard for twenty
seven years. I had a few other jobs as well,
but that was the main part of my career, and
I retired from there, I guess around two thousand and ten.
But in my last few years at Hewlett Packard, I
was also working on writing a book because in the
eighties and nineties they had been working on something called
string theory, and this string theory looked to me like
a potential candidate for explaining the UFO phenomenon. It involved
extra dimensions and things like that. And by the mid
nineties and enter the early two thousand two thousand, there
was tremendous excitement about these various theories and which we'll
get to see tonight. And I realized back at that
time that this very likely explained the technology of UFOs.
Although we still do not fully understand string theory, the
direction it's going does suggest very strongly that this is
likely to explain the technology of these crafts, which I
do believe are extra terrestrial in origin, and so I guess,
without further ado, perhaps we could start the slide show. Okay, sure,
well one more thanks. I wrote a book on the topic,
Solving the UFO Enigma, published in twenty and eleven, and
it was a multi year project and it was a
result of decades of studying physics and science, and the
subtitle is how modern physics is revealing the technology of UFOs. Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So this is kind of an experiment.
I'm going to do this PowerPoint and hopefully there will
be no issues at all. But I used to have
people actually love to watch my shows because they thought
it was funny. All the issues that I did have,
I was entertaining to them, and so I don't want
to be entertaining. I just want to actually do a
good show. So hopefully this will be working. Okay, So
hopefully everyone sees us as say PowerPoint and let's see.
Speaker 2: So yep, and Martin, that's the cover of my book
and the picture that you see in the middle that
was taken in Belgium in the nineteen nineties and I
put it there deliberately. It's a triangle UFO and one
of the things that I will mention many times during
the during the show is that one of the characteristics
of UFOs is that they have a circular or spherical
aspect to them, even the triangular UFOs. You'll notice in
this picture that the corners of the UFO are bright,
brightly lit circles and a brightly lit circle in the middle.
And this is one of the unusual but consistent characteristics
of UFOs. And by the end of the slide show
we will see why I believe that circular characteristic is
so prominent in UFO technology.
Speaker 1: Okay, One thing I want to point out, though, Robert,
is this particular picture. There was a guy that came
forward that said he faked it. No, no, I'm gonna
I'm going to talk about the other two, the other one, okay,
But anyway, the guy that came forward, he could never
reproduce what he did, so it's really iffy of that
other one was even Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, I do want to bring that to people's attention.
There were two photographs taken too that got into the media,
and this one was not the one that was fake.
Speaker 1: Okay, and that one wasn't even that one supposedly he
could not reproduce after that yeah, so so yeah, that's
but this is definitely not that one. Less I'm sorry,
I'm sorry to waste it all the time on that,
but you'll see another similar one to this. Anyway, I'm
going to move on one here, so.
Speaker 2: If everybody can see that the next slide here, there's
a new theory of Earth's rapid creation that makes the
idea of alien life way more likely. And it used
to be thought that it took hundreds of millions of
years for the early Earth form out of the debris
circling around our protostar, the Sun. And so that was
the original theory that has been around for maybe fifty years.
But now new evidence by looking at other star systems
with the Hubble telescope and other space telescopes, they now
realize that it looks like the early Earth may have
been formed much more quickly than that. Instead of several
hundred million years, it looks like it formed within about
five million years. And the reason that's important is this
because if it did take several hundred million years, in
the original theory, it was thought that there were large
planetoids that were smashing into each other. If that were
the case, the Earth having a lot of water on
its surface would have been very unlikely, and it would
have taken some unusual circumstances to create the water planet
that we see today. But the new theory suggests that
if the Earth form fairly quickly within five million years,
then it would have retained all the water that had
been swept up as it orbited around the Sun. And
that theory looks way more likely today. But I thought
i'd include that partly because I thought the picture would
really neat say we could do the next line. So
the big thing about UFOs is we have to look
at the evidence that has been collected over i'd say
the pretty close to the last one hundred years, and
that evidence, I think is going to be key to
figuring out how the technology of these UFOs. And so
some of the most characteristics are incredible accelerations of these UFOs.
Many military pilots and many people on the ground who
have observed UFOs have noticed this extremely rapid acceleration. And
when I say rapid, I mean blinding acceleration, and that
actually seems to defy the laws of inertia. You can
think of inertia as the resistance to acceleration by a
mass and somehow these things, which they do believe are
extremely massive and very heavy, are able to defy the
laws of inertia. And so a second characteristic, which is
I believe also very important, is the intense glow of
these craft and their ability to levitate. A third characteristic
that is going to be key, I believe to understanding
the UFO phenomenon is part or complete transparency. Many times
pilots and ground observers have seen these UFOs become partially
transparent and then totally disappear. And one particular case that
we'll see in a moment here, a pilot observed a
UFO appearing as if it was splitting the sky, the
blue sky open and it seemed to emerge out of nothing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so this is going to be isn't that amazing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I've heard so many and I don't I
hope you don't mind if I like not at all,
you know, interject these things. So many people have said
that they have seen something like like almost blink out
and then blink in, and even at another location.
Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, exactly, And so we're going to see in
a little bit here why that I think is pointing
toward UFO technology, and so, and another strange characteristic of
these UFOs is a very strong attractive gravity field short
range to be sure, but it appears to be attractive
rather than repulsive. So if these things we're using anti gravity,
which by the way, I do not believe is even possible.
I've studied the field equations of general relativity, and gravity
is really caused by the warping of space and time,
and this would require a reverse warping of space and time,
which even Einstein felt was not really possible. And so
that so anti gravity does not seem to be the
explanation with UFO technology. But what's puzzle is why should
it have a short range attractive gravity feel. So we'll
get into that in a bit.
Speaker 1: Before we move on from that. Yeah, not just one person,
but I'm going to just talk about one person in
particular that was a friend of the show many years ago,
and she is in Australia, And when she was a
little girl, about nine eight or nine years old, she
was with her grandmother and they were in the garden,
like weeding or something in the garden, and all of
a sudden she felt something and looked above and there
was a big This was in the I believe in
the early seventies, a big triangle UFO was over them,
and she felt like she was being forced down on
the ground. Okay, so I mean, I don't know what
it could be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that well, we'll see why at a short distance.
I believe they have an attractive gravity field. That might
have been a somewhat longer distance, you know, and.
Speaker 1: I'm not lower lower ahead it was. I don't know
if she would even wait yet.
Speaker 2: So then the other thing that's very important, I believe
is the consistent shapes, which I mentioned at the beginning,
that these things often have a spherical or circular aspect
to them, and whether they're discs, cylinders, delta shapes that
always appears to be present. And another thing that's very important,
uh Ted Phillips, who worked for doctor J. Allen Heinek
at the Center for UFO Studies up in Illinois. He
did studies of all the credible landing sites where they
had indentations into the ground, and they estimated that these
the typical what you might call scout craft that appear
at lower elevations, appear to be in the range of
ten to thirty tons that's pretty heavy. You know, that's
a lot of mess we can now I'm going to
give some interesting examples. Captain Phil Schultz back in nineteen
eighty one, and he and his first officer observed a
round UFO with six black portholes on a perfectly clear
summer day, and this thing approached their L ten eleven.
That's a lockheed. Many people are probably too young to
remember that, but it was quite an aircraft and it
came directly in front of their aircraft, and then it
did a maneuver at one thousand miles per hour right
in front of their aircraft, and then the UFO departed
with an estimated twenty g turn. The best that human
pilots can do is about ten g's, so that's pretty phenomenal.
And on the next slide we can so here you
see a graphical picture of the UFO and it's you
can see the extremely sharp turn in this cockpit view
of the UFO. And by the way, it was Captain
Schultz who is the one who reported the UFO when
it first appeared appeared to be splitting the sky open.
And so that's significant, as we will see in a
little bit further.
Speaker 1: So we have a cockpit windshield. This graphic is on
and I want to mention this too for everyone that
is listening to just the audio. If you click on
the show notes, I'm not able to actually put this
PowerPoint in any type of presentation anywhere on my website.
But what you can do in the show notes is
the YouTube video. If you care to see some of
these images and graphics, I'm afraid you're gonna have to
listen twice and go through the YouTube or on Facebook.
There's a few other places where this is. But anyway,
for those of you who are watching live, thank you.
I'm not going to be able to even see any
questions if you have any while we're doing the PowerPoint.
After that, I can look to see what you may
have for questions in chat. But yeah, continue on, Captain Schultz.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so Captain Schultz. His reaction to the encounter
was recorded by doctor Richard Hayes, who did his own
separate UFO investigation some years ago. But doctor Haynes so
Captain Schildtz said that he had extensive experience as a
US Navy fighter pilot and he had totally rejected the
reality of UFOs, but after the sighting. He told doctor
rich Haynes that there is no doubt in my mind
it was an extraterrestrial craft. I think that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is. It's quite a statement.
Speaker 2: And many of you have heard of commander thank you. Yeah,
my screen is blooded out a bit us Navy commander
David Fraber, who lives up in the Hampshire, by the way,
he was flying his F fourteen back in the early
two thousands and he observed tic TAC shaped UFO and
this UFO behaved very erratically, and so his encounter was
what's very interesting about his encounter. They recorded it on
infrared as well as radar, and some pilots observed similar
UFOs in the area. Oh, this, by the way, was
about sixty eighty miles off the coast of San Diego, California,
and the Navy does a lot of training out there.
We have a major naval base in San Diego. And
so how about how would you compare UFO performance to
Earth technology. Well, fighter jets can do about thirteen g's acceleration.
Beyond that, no human can survive the G forces that
are created at that at that acceleration. The Boeing highbex
anti missile missile that can accelerate between three hundred and
four hundred g's and but that's about it.
Speaker 1: Beyond that, things fall apart.
Speaker 2: Things fall apart, they disintegrate. In the USS Nimtz tic
TAC observed by Commander David Fraber that measured five thousand gs.
Speaker 1: Is that when it dropped from the level of sixty
thousand feet whatever it was and down to the ocean,
exactly right, yep, yeah, a second.
Speaker 2: And it less than a second exactly right in a yeah.
Another interesting UFO observation report comes from Air France Captain
Charles Dubac and he saw on January twenty eighth, nineteen
ninety four, near Paris, he saw a one thousand foot
diameter red UFO glowing red UFO. He had it on radar.
It was also picked up on ground radar and he
and his crew observed the UFO become partially transparent as
it began at the same time to fade on his radar,
and then it disappeared entirely an off radar two and
off yes, off radar two, so visually and off radar.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Isn't that?
Speaker 1: Something?
Speaker 2: In Calgary, Canada, a Canadian pilot saw this on December seventeenth,
twenty fourteen, a cylindrical shaped UFO. Again, by the way,
noticed the circular aspect to these UFOs, and he too
observed being he was above the ufo. But he said,
at first it appeared as a perfectly solid object, but
then it began to fade and he could actually see
the road below through the ufo, and then it finally
disappeared entirely amazing. Now here's a very interesting report out
of New Zealand back in I think nineteen fifty nine.
And this was Elaine Morland who she observed close up
a circular UFO that came down within about twenty five
feet of the ground, and she observed two entities inside
the ufo. They were both facing forward tandem seated and
threw a clear glass dome and or what appeared to
be glass and and what was fascinating about this one?
And uh so what the story goes that it was
very early in the morning, it was still dark. This
is nineteen fifty nine. I think it was June. I
can't quite read that date, but any anyways, junior July July,
thank you. And so she as she was going across
a field down there in the British speaking in the
English speaking world, as in the British Commonwealth, they call
it a patty, you know, b a D D y paddock.
And she noticed that the field or the patty was
becoming kind of an odd green color. So she looked
up and she was shocked to see, uh, these two
bright green lights getting bigger and bigger and bigger very rapidly.
And so she dropped her milking buckets. She was going
out to milk the cows. And for people who farm,
they know about this stuff. I'm from New Jersey. And
she ran into a clump of woods and she peeked
out from behind the trees, and she observed this object
come down, and she said that it harbored about twenty
five feet above the ground. But she noticed two rows
of jets appearing on the side of this thing. And
the one row was pointing at it was shooting out
flames in one direction parallel to the surface of the ufo.
The bottom row is put shooting out flames in the
opposite direction. And both of them were both, you know,
shooting out flames at all times. And then finally the thing, oh,
she did observe the rear person stand up and appeared
to look at something, perhaps on the ground, and then
he sat down, and then the object began to make
a whining noise and it started to lift, and then
she said again characteristic of UFOs, it rose straight up
into the sky at extreme acceleration. Freaking move on. So
here's some other examples of UFOs becoming transparent. And Caracas,
Venezuela and nineteen seventy four, hundreds of people observed four
stationary UFOs that were clearly visible and they were matte
black in color, and then suddenly they disappeared, just like that,
they just blinked out. In Phoenix, Arizona, March nineteen ninety seven,
this is during the Phoenix Lights, which many people who
have followed the UFO A phenomenon are well aware of.
You know, they saw parts of the UFO appear semi transparent,
and I thought that was a very great interest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the observers on that said that it
looked like it was they could see like a waviness,
you know, like a ripple effect exactly right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they could see this rippling effect and they
could see stars.
Speaker 1: It was seen at night.
Speaker 2: They could see stars behind it with somewhat distorted.
Speaker 1: Yes there was something there, but you could kind of
see through it.
Speaker 2: Yes, right now, but not all parts of the UFO,
the Phoenix UFO, some parts look perfectly solid. So another
good example of transparency is the Rendell Shim Forest rif
Bentwaters based Colonel Charles Hall and this is back in
nineteen eighty and this is a high ranking officer who,
by the way, was totally skeptical of the UFOs until
he had a truly close encounter. But as part of
his encounter, he did see a UFO shoot down a
beam of light right at his feet in the dark,
and he said they were shocked. And then that or
a different UFO was seen coming down into a field
nearby and they could clearly see it. It was solid,
it was brightly lit, and then as they watched it
started to implode, looked like it was becoming smaller, and
then it just literally disappeared. And then another one very
interesting is in the Tasman Sea off of Australia.
Speaker 1: I thought, excuse me before the entrant, before we move
on from Rendilschamp. When I spoke to Charles a couple
of times, he's been on my show.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: But he said that the light wasn't like an ordinary
light that shot down at his feet. It was almost
like a tube. He said. It was a very strange thing.
It didn't act like a normal light.
Speaker 2: Wood.
Speaker 1: You knows that instead of like coming down and lighting
everything up, it came down like a tube instead.
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. Instead of coming down instantaneously,
it seemed to grow going downward like a tube. Like
a tube. Yeah, that's been reported before, where a beam
of light will come down and then it will retract
like a ladder rather than just click out, it retracts
like a ladder like. That's how it came down, according
to him. And if I'm correct in my theory that
I write about in the book, that they have figured
out how to control gravitational forces, extreme gravitational forces, then
they light is subject to gravity. We know that Einstein
predicted that light would bend around stars, and that was
actually observed I think in I Forget nineteen nineteen or
something like that. So another fascinating example of disappearance was
the Tasman Sea, Australia nineteen thirty one sighting by aviation
pioneer Sir Francis Chichester. I'm sure very few people have
heard of him, but he was famous back in the day.
And he saw a UFO. No, he had a biplane,
so this thing was not going particularly fast, maybe one
hundred miles an hour at most, and it was just
putt putting through the sky. And he said he could
clearly say this disc shaped you. Now, by the way,
back then, he didn't know what it was. He didn't
call it a UFO. That's a more modern trim. He
just called it a craft. And he said, this strange
craft was perfectly solid looking at one point and had
a hump on the top, and so he said, then
it started to fade right in front of him, and
then he could gradually see through it, and then he
could see the waves in the ocean below right through
this craft, and then he said it totally disappeared. So
that's another example. And you'll notice the similarity of that
sighting to some of the other ones we talked about before,
and so this stuff is extremely important to understanding the UFOs.
And one last one in broad daylight and nineteen fifty
three and f eighty six pilot saw a hovering UFO
which blinked out just like that, right in front of them. Okay,
So the two big questions on UFO technology and now
we're going to start to get into it. We'll have
to get a little bit technical and for the audio audience,
I'll try to describe these in a way that you
can visualize it. So the two big questions on UFO
technology or how do they get here? Number one? And
the second thing how are these craft able to perform
and nursed defying acrobatics in Earth's atmosphere. So we'll take
a look at the first question, how do they get here? Well?
Speaker 1: Next also, yeah, on the second part, I have something
to add when you get there.
Speaker 2: Okay, So how did they get here? Now? People have
thought about this, the idea of interstellar travel for many
many years, decades and decades going back to Flash Gordon
and so some people have thought about So the basic
ideas that have come out of this are number one,
can they go faster than the speed of light? There
are particles that are postulated called tachyons that are believed
to go faster than the speed of light. But Einstein
himself said no, that it's not possible, and his theory
of special relativity for bids faster than light travel for
a material object, and so people can argue about immaterial
but that we won't get into that. The second possibility
is near light speed, and that does happen to be possible,
but it takes enormous energy to get up to the
speed of light and maintain that speed. You have staggering
energy requirements. And even if you could getting to the
nearest star system to planet Earth, Alpha Centauri is four
and a half light years, it would take thousands of year,
not thousands, It would take many years to get there,
and unfortunately, if you had a twin back at Earth,
and when you came back, your twin would be long gone,
so it's not a practical solution. Then the third idea
was the idea of warping of space time. If you
could figure out how to warp space time, then you
could kind of travel through space like people surf on
a wave. And a guy, a Mexican physicist by the
name of Miguel Alcuberry, came up with an idea many
years ago about building a spaceship where you could compress
space in front of you and expand space behind you.
And he calculated correctly that you could go many times
the equivalent of the speed of light, but you really
wouldn't be going faster, you'd be just warping space in
front of you and expanding it behind you. But again,
the gating factor on this is the energy. The amount
of energy required is absolutely gigantic, and so none of
these solutions appear really feasible. But so let's take a
look at the direction of modern physics and let's see
if there's something out there that new concepts, new theories
that might help us explain how UFOs are getting to
planet Earth and am able to move around in our atmosphere.
So the two pillars of modern physics our general relativity.
Einstein's theory of gravity one of the four fundamental forces
of nature, and it talks about how gravity affects matter,
how it interacts with matter. And the second major pillar
of modern physics is quantum mechanics, which deals with the
other three fundamental forces in nature. So those would be
the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, and electromagnetism
and how they interact with matter. So in twenty fifteen
it was the truth anniversary of general relativity, and I
believe that gravity will be the key to understanding the
UFO phenomenon. And so for the audio people, you can't
see this, But I have a god, but I have
a slide which shows the field the field equations, the
truncated version of the field equations of general relativity, and
the left hand side of the field equations, what they
describe is the warping or curvature of space time uh,
which is the cause of gravity, which creates what we
call gravity. And on the right hand side is the
matter and energy that causes space time to warp. And
that's what these field equations do. Unfortunately, they are very
complicated to solve. And and on this next slide, which
I'm afraid the audio cannot see, I show that each
of the terms. And so there's four major clumps of
terms in the field equations, three on the left side
and one on the right side. And what I do
and is I take the first term and I expand
it and then so that you can see in another
equation here what that turns into. And it turns into
what looks like a lot of gobblybook and it's hideously complicated.
And then it has a lot of differential equations and
stuff and partial derivatives and for those of you who
like math. And then I took a term inside of
that equation on the right hand side, and I expanded that,
and I show what's inside of that, and it's called
the Christoffel connection coefficient. For anybody who but what what this,
what this is all about? Is this? The field equations
are extremely hard to solve. And in fact, the first
exact solution to the field equations did not come from
Einstein himself. He came up with approximations, not to say,
but these are these approximations were very very accurate, you know,
And but nevertheless he never had and he did not
come up with the first exact solution. But just to
give you an idea of why that's the case, just
to figure out the gravity that what's going on with
gravity between your thumb and forefinger, if each member of
the audience holds them together, can take up to one
hundred and twenty equations, does anybody? People can appreciate how
horrifying these things are, So we can and so and
one more and so the physics canmmunity their reaction. They
couldn't wait to see the field equations, but when they did,
their reaction was you gotta be kidding and sorry stopped there. Oh, no,
the next one. So the first exact solution to the
Einstein field equations were by Lieutenant Carl Schwarzchild in nineteen sixteen,
and he was a lieutenant, an officer in the artillery
of the German Army on the Eastern Front. This is
World War One. And now people today marvel at how
Lieutenant Schwartzchild could have worked on the field equations. Remember
they had just come out in nineteen fifteen, in the
fall of nineteen fifteen, so it's kind of amazing today.
But somehow he found the time and everybody will know
immediately what his exact solution to the field equations are,
as we see in the next slide here. But I'll
explain Audio two the Schwarzchild black hole. And you may
wonder why I'm bringing up this first exact solution to
the field equations. The reason is it's extremely important to
the UFO phenomenon. Roughly, and so what the Schwartzchyle our
black hole formula talks about is that any object with
a radius less than the schwarz Child radius, which is
determined by the equation. He figured out becomes a black hole.
And this is the second part of this I want
to explain very very important and everybody should keep this
in the back of their mind. Photons which go at
the speed of light, and any other particle going at
the speed of light or close to the speed of
light cannot escape a black hole. Keep that in the
back of your mind because it's going to be very
important to the solution to the UFO phenomenon. Now, one
more very important thing. The last thing we're going to
say about general relativity. Oh yeah, So it turns out
that black holes produce a very strong magnetic field, and
that's another thing you want to keep in mind as
we continue. Sorry, Next we're going to cover the other
pillar of modern physics. We just finished general relativity gravity. Yeah,
oh no, keep it right there. So this is quantum mechanics,
and at this tiny scale. All for hundreds of years,
dating back to Newton and even before, it was assumed
that energy was continuous like a wave. But in the
twentieth century, at the very beginning of the twentieth century,
it was discovered energy was not continuous. Instead, it came
in discrete bits or pieces, which is where the term
quantum comes from bit or piece, and that's where quantum
mechanics comes from, the word or the phrase. And so
that was really strange because so the reason they discovered
this is they began looking at the spectra of light
and of elements and they noticed that they were discrete lines.
If you look at a prism, you shine light through it,
it comes out into discrete little lines. It was believed
that theoretically, if energy was continuous, it should be just
one blur of different colors, you know, but each moving
gradually into the next. But that's not the case for
elements when they were observed, and it was discovered by
Max Planck, a German physicist in the year nineteen hundred.
The formula he developed was energy is equal to h
planks constant time frequency, and that constant, which was derived
from experiment, came as a total shock to the world
of physics. But it then it began to explain a
lot of things, and it was basically the birth of
quantum mechanics. One of the first breakthroughs after the early
days of quantum theory was what is called the Schrodinger equation,
which describes subatomic particles behavior. Remember, quantum theory deals with
the sub atomic world, and the Shortinger equation, developed by
an Austrian fear a physicist by the name of Irwin Schrodinger,
describes the behavior of subatomic particles in terms of waves.
Not everybody might be saying, hey, wait a minute, you
just said it's a particle, was not waves? Well, oddly enough,
it's both part it's duality particle wave duality. But you
will notice for those people who happened to see the
book of the book, in my book, you will see
that the Plank's constant is in Schroder's equation. So you
might ask why he came up with this equation. Well,
the reason is keep in mind that in the early
twentieth century, in the prior century, the nineteenth century, physicists
were used to dealing with waves. An awful lot of
physics was done in wave theory, electro magnetism, James Clerk
Maxwell the great Scottish physicist, and so people were familiar
with using wave equations, so they were very happy with
the short Inter equation. But a similar equation was developed
by Werner Heisenberg, a German physicist. He developed one something
called matrix mechanics, which was way more complicated than the
short end equation, and most people who study quantum mechanics
today use the short ened equation. But Heisenberg's equation focused
on the particle aspect.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's so Walter White had that name after I
don't know if you ever heard of the Breaking bad
Walter White, and the Heisenberger was after that guy. Okay,
some people are probably laughing out there.
Speaker 2: For people who can see the slide show, I have
a teddy bear crying with over his mug of beer
and can we go back? And he's saying, please, no
more formulas, give me another drink. And from this point
on we're just going to deal with concepts. No more formulas,
at least for the people that are watching the slide show.
And so I do have to do a little bit
of physics here, but we'll go through this fairly quick.
Our universe really consists of matter and force particles acting
on the stage of space time. And so now people
might ask, hey, what the heck is space time? Believe
it or not, nobody knows. We know time is involved,
but based on Einstein's theory, especially relativity and general relativity, however,
what is space time what's it made made up of.
Nobody knows. It could be made up of gravitons, the
particle that's postulated too carry the gravity force. It could
be a matrix or web of those. People simply don't know.
But we do know that something called space time, whatever
space time is made of, when it gets warped, is
what causes gravity. But it's also the It's also the
stage upon which matter particles like electrons and forced particles
like photons that carry light, that they act and interact
with each other. A basic atom. Sorry to have to
go through this science here, but this is going to
be helpful as we go further. A basic atom, the
simplest atom possible, is a hydrogen atom, which would be
a proton in the nucleus and an electron happily zooming
around in orbit around it. But in the slide that
I show here, I show an isotope of hydrogen, which
is a proton and a neutron in the nucleus, And
I just show that to point out that you can
have both protons and neutrons in the nucleus, and other
heavier elements have many more protons and neutrons and stuff.
And this isotope of hydrogen is colled pium, and I
just want to mention it real quickly. A third isotope
of hydrogen is has two neutrons in the nucleus plus
a proton, and that's called tritium, which would come in
handy later on. Okay, and a proton. Sorry to get
into this detail, but it'll be helpful. And a proton
itself is made up of smaller particles called quarks, And
every proteon has three quarks in it. They're up they're
called up and down quarks. And let's see, and then
we can describe all matter particles as made up of
quarks or leptons or both. And so quarks make up
neutrons and protons, and nine percent of all matter in
the universe is made up of either up and down
quarks and a basic electron in normal electron. Most people
are familiar with or electron neutrinos. Just those four particles,
but there are two strange higher energy families called the
second and third families of matter particles, which are called
fermions in honor of Enrico Fermi, an Italian physicist who
did a lot of work classifying and studying the basic
mata particles of nature, and so that describes the mata particles,
the force particles, and now we want to pay attention here.
The meta particles are important, but the force particles are
going to be a lot of what we'll be talking
about from this point on. There are four fundamental forces
in nature, and those looking at the slide can see them,
but those who are are listening, I will describe them.
There is the strong nuclear force, which is carried by
part of is called gluons, not as glue, and the
strong force is used to hold protons together and the
nucleus because remember protons are positive have positive charge. Electrons
have negative charge, and like repels, unlike attracts, so positive
protons whips the better worts of the time. Positive protons
don't want to party together, they want to separate, so
it requires these gluons to hold them together. The weak
nuclear force is represented by W plus, W minus, and
Z neutral particles. Electromagnetism is carried by the photon messenger particle,
and gravity is carried by a particle called postulated particles.
We haven't seen it yet, is called the graviton. And
now you're going to wonder what physicists do. So what's
their goal, what's their big goal in physics? That the
holy grail of modern physics, and this is what's going
to lead us to an explanation of UFO technology. The
holy grail of modern physics is uniting the four forces
of nature, the four fundamental forces electro managers and weak
nokay force strong now gay force, and gravity.
Speaker 1: And you know, I just recently reconnected with my childhood
friend and we had a blast talking together. And I
said to him, I said, we weren't you into like
UFOs when we were kids. Didn't you talk about that?
And I asked him about His father got some magazine
and on the cover of the magazine was the UFO
He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like, well, I have listened
to your show, so a couple of them. So, but
he's really into this type of stuff. You know, this
isn't for everybody. This is really interesting to me, but
I understand this is hard to follow for some people. Yeah,
I'm going to tell him to watch the show and
a little shout out to Ken and yeah, okay and
hi pen.
Speaker 2: So it's believed way back at the beginning of the
universe that all the forces were united, and the universe
at that time was smaller than the head of a pin.
And you can imagine the energy that was compressed in
that tiny, tiny space. Considering today there are trillions of
galaxies and the universe is now fifteen billion years old.
Do you think.
Speaker 1: That that theory is going to always hold up?
Speaker 2: I do to show you. Okay, all right, Oh, show
you why. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: All right. I'm just going to let you know. In
like three minutes we got to leave. Oh here, Well,
I'm just going to do this, so they just going
to close out the show in about three minutes. For
KGRA Radio. We're going to continue on. But I want
to thank everyone over there for listening, and if you
wanted to watch the rest of the show at some point,
you know, come over and watch the YouTube video over
at podcast s ufo dot com. Also, our guest next
week is going to be Earl Gray. He's a real character.
I know, he's not a t he's a he's a
real fun guy in the LA area, I believe it is,
and a real nice guy. He'll be on next week
for our show. So let's continue on.
Speaker 2: Okay. So it's believed that at the beginning of the universe. Uh,
there was what was called we now call the Big Bang,
and at that time the universe expanded from a tiny
dot infinitesimally small dot, and it began the expansion that
we that we to and eventually reached the size of
the universe we see today. And and but it's also
believed that at this time the four fundamental forces of
nature separated out from being a combined, unified single force.
Then this is going to be important. So so at
the first forces that separated out right after the Big
Bang were a force known as the gout force gut
grand unified theory, which is actually a combination of the
strong nuclear force and something called the electroweak force. And
then the other force that came out. At the time
of the Big Bang, there was only two forces, goot
and gravity. Gravity was the second, and then the Goot
force broke out, as I mentioned, into the strong nuclear
force and electro week and then the electroweak force broke
out into electro magnetism and the weak nuclear force, which
by the way, is responsible for radioactivity. The strong nuclear
force keeps the nucleus together, the weak nuclear force causes radioactivity.
So that's the goal of modern physics to unify these
four fundamental forces of nature, and they have had some
very good success in doing this. They've been able to,
for example, unify the electric and magnetic forces or fields
into what we call electromagnetism. At one time, it was
thought the electric field and the magnetic field were two
separate forces. But James Clerk Maxwell and Maxwell's laws showed
that these are combined in a theory he calls the
electromagnetic theory. And it turns out, way back in the
nineteen seventies and particle accelerators, they actually were able to
combine and by smashing subatomic particles together in these giant
circular accelerators where they get particles up to the speed
of light going in opposite directions. When they crash together,
you can imagine it's a pretty spectacular crash. Very small point, and.
Speaker 1: Ask you anything since SERN came along, is anything changed
in through theories on these things, or is everything just
holding exactly the way they thought?
Speaker 2: So far things are holding together all these theories, so
they of course keep as you pointed out, they keep
upgrading these particle accelerators and each new class of particle
accelerators is still able to confirm earlier theories. Plus they're
able to add new knowledge, you know, at which I
can mention. So when they were able to create the
electro weak force, that gave tremendous impetus to the concept
the idea that the universe did start at what they know,
it's likely that the universe started at a higher energy,
and this was proof, a very strong proof that the
force were once united in a single super force. So
and then another unification theory that they're currently working on
is unifying this strong nuclear force and the electroweak force,
the GOOT that I had, the grand unified theory that
I had mentioned before, And they are working on that,
and they hope to see evidence of that by other ways.
They probably won't see that at particle accelerators because the
energy requirements are too high, but they may see some
other type of evidence in detectors, deep underground detectors, where
they're looking for evidence of the breakdown of the GOOT
force so way back in the early universe, you know.
And so now people who have been watching the unification
that we've been looking at so far of the electric magnetic,
the weak nuclear force, and the strong nuclear will have
noticed that the one force that's absent, that's missing from
this unification attempts theory so far, is gravity. Why is
gravity not included in all these, you know, decades long
attempts to unify the four forces of nature. And we'll
look at that next. So here's how we're going to
look at it. For those that can see the slide,
I'm comparing the strength of the four fundamental forces. But
those who can't, I'll describe them. If we sit to
for the gravity force at one for comparison, so I'm
just using a unit of one, then the weak nuclear
force is ten to the twenty fifth power stronger than gravity. Yikes,
that's the number together. That's like the number one, followed
by twenty five zeros, and the electromagnetic forces ten to
the thirty six power stronger and strong as ten to
the thirty eighth. And this is absolutely staggering. In fact,
this gigantic separation in the strength of the four fundamental
forces is such a big problem or puzzle in physics
that it has its own name. It's called the hierarchy problem.
And we'll take and we're going to take a look
at that.
Speaker 1: Isn't that am I thinking overthinking this is? Isn't that
how things basically stay together? I mean, if they didn't
have that force, everything would be and building apart.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, it would be disintegrating worse than that.
So the hierarchy problem is all you'll see here. Is
also equivalent to the puzzle of the weak mass versus
the plank mass. Sorry for the technicality, but the weak
mess is the mass at which all matter is roughly
in the range of and it's a relatively small mess.
All matter particles don't have that particularly great mass, but
the plank mass in physics is believed to be the
highest mass that is likely in the universe. And one
of the big puzzles is it turns out that if
all the matter particles were at the plank mass rather
than the weak mass, and the plank mass is sixteen
orders of magnitude greater than the weak mess. So if
all the particles in the universe were at this higher level,
then we could unify the four fundamental forces of nature.
But that comes with a real problem, and that problem
is if all particles, all matter particles, protons, neutrons, electrons,
and stuff, were all at the Plank scale, the universe
would disintegrate, it would compress, it would just collapse instantly.
And I asked an expert, Homer Simpson, his opinion, and
he said, do you mean my favorite donut shop will disappear?
And I would like to say to our expert Homer,
not only your favorite hom donut shop, but everything else too.
Speaker 1: And so here's a question. I can't I can't pull
them up and shot because the way we're doing the PowerPoint,
I can only read them from here. And I don't
know if this is accurate. This is just a question statement.
Gravity is outside of space time. It makes space time wobble.
What else is outside of space time?
Speaker 2: Well, it's possible that we actually gravity does exist in
our space time. If it has to, it's one of
the four fundamental forces. But we're going to get to
a possibility that there might be some other strange things
going on which may relate to that question. So we're
going to have to look at the evolution of modern
physics to see if we can find a way to
explain the UFO phenomenon and quickly. Currently, physics established physics
is something called the Standard model, which is basically a
synthesis of classical mechanics that would be Isaac Newton and
the classical physicists, and general relativity and quantum mechanics, and
those comprise what we know as the standard model. And
this model has been tested rigorously in particle accelerators and
other experiments and has been proven to a high degree
of accuracy. But of course physicists are also looking at
other theories, and over the years, like I mentioned, they've
been looking at the Grand Unified theory. And there's a
number of other theories. I just mentioned them briefly, and
these are going to be super important to helping explain
the UFO phenomenon. So some of them are in the
seventies and eighties, things called supersymmetry and four dimensional supergravity.
Then along came five dimensional kollusive climb theory and eleven
dimensional super gravity. Don't worry, don't memorize this stuff. I'm
just giving no quiz, right, there's no quiz. So it's
believed dimensions exist, particles will be created called kk particles
or Klusik line particles that will be coming that will
be uh from the extra dimensions. And then by the
by the between the seventies and right up to the
twenty twenty twenties. Uh, right up to about now. Uh,
there were theories that became that were called string theory
and super string theory ten dimensional and eleven dimensional, and
that eventually morphed into something called m theory, which by
the way, seems to be the final theory. And uh,
these brains and extra dimension membranes appeared to be where
physics is now headed.
Speaker 1: And isn't the brains like uh uh multiple type of
like a like a multiverse type of the brains think
it is something else.
Speaker 2: The multiverse is another concept. But the membranes, although it
could be related, that could be the membranes refer to
any given universe, and we're in one universe, and within
that universe they believe that matter. At first, they used
to think it was made up of strictly infinitesimally point particles.
Then in the seventies they began to get evidence that
subatomic particles might be made up of little, tiny, tiny,
wiggling strings. That's the birth of string theory. And then
as time went on they began to realize that other
strange things were out there too, called membranes, and these
membranes could be two D two dimensional, so like a
flat sheet of paper, or they could be three dimensional,
or they could be four dimensional, all the way up
to nine dimensions. And some of these membranes, like a
flat membrane, could be wrapped around a portion of space
time that's very tiny, and if it's wrapped around tight enough,
it would actually appear as a point particle. So all
this kind of crazy stuff is going on, and so
to kind of sum it up, I'll go through this.
So modern physics is pointing at very likely in eleven
ten to eleven dimensional universe. These the ten and eleven
is not really critical some parts of the theory. So
they have basically five different theories that are part of
what they call m theory. But it turns out they
now believe that all five of these theories they are
each self consistent, and physicists at the beginning during in
the last two or three decades three decades have been
very worried about this because I had five self consistent
theories until they discovered something called duality, which appears to
show that these theories are related to each other. And
I won't get into too much detail on that perturbation
theory and things like that, but it's critical to the point.
The critical thing here is that there appears to be
a single sup M theory, which nobody has defined. It was.
Actually the name comes from Ed Witton at Princeton University,
and he left it ambiguous deliberately. But some people call
it memberan theories, some people call it Mother of All theories,
and somebody's got to make a movie out of this.
So it turns out that six of the eleven extra dimensions,
So if there's four fundamental dimensions, three of space and
one of time, then eleven would make seven extra and
it looks like six of those extra dimensions are curled
up at every point in space time and do not
interest us here for this our purposes. That leaves five
large dimensions. And as I mentioned, historically it was thought
that we lived in a four dimensional universe, three of
space and one of time. Special relativity and general relativity
are based on that.
Speaker 1: Theory.
Speaker 2: So one of the theories that's coming out of M theory,
and mind you, there's a lot of theories coming out,
but the one that I latched onto way back in
the nineteen nineties is a theory that suggests that there
are two four dimensional membranes, one of which is us,
the universe that we live in, and you can think
of them on either end. So of course we were
three dimensional creatures, so I can only show this in
a three dimensional description. But imagine two flat pieces of
paper opposite each other with a separation between them, and
each of those flat pieces of paper are a membrane,
a space time membrane. One on one side is the
world we live in, which is called the weak membrane,
after the energy level that we live in or that
our universe is based on, and the other one is
called the plank membrane. And these two membranes are floating
in a larger five dimensional universe. So this isn't just
the fifth dimension. It's in between these two membranes is
a five dimensional space that's important space time. And so
for those watching the slideshow, you'll see a picture of
the two space time membranes four dimensional membranes. And it's
believed that all the fundamental particles in nature, both matter
and forced particles, are little wiggling strings that are open ended.
And now here is where this is the key thing,
and this you're going to We're very quickly approaching the
explanation of the UFO phenomenon. It's believed that all the
matter enforced particles like a photon with which we need
to see. Photons hit the retina in the back of
your eye, and that's how you see reflected off of objects.
But it's believed that the open ends of the wiggling
strings are stuck on the four dimensional membrane, the weak
membrane where we live, and that when you go out
at night look up in the sky and see the
stars and everything, that's all part of the four dimensional
membrane we live in. So every single particle that we
talked about earlier are stuck. The two open ends are
stuck on this membrane. It cannot leave except for one particle.
The one particle that is believed that could leave the
four dimensional membrane is the graviton, and it's believed. Oh
yes's okay, it's believed to be a closed loop, and
that means it's not stuck in our membrane. And this
is the key to the UFO phenomenon. So a theory
called warp geometry is one of the ones I've been
looking at that I believe is the one, and it
solves the hierarchy problem. Remember we were looking at the
hierarchy problem and why gravity is so much stronger, I mean,
so much weaker than the other fundamental forces of nature.
So this theory warped geometry is derived from m theory.
It was developed by physicists at Harvard and John Hopkins Universities,
but it's also based on other theories that came before that,
and it explains why gravity is exponentially weaker than the
other forces of nature. So it's believed that the two
four dimensional membranes in warped geometry are either ends of
this five dimensional bulk. Of course, one membrane we live on,
the weak membrane. The second membrane is called the gravity
brain and is parallel to the weak membrane. It is
believed that the gravity brain is warped in such a way,
and brains can have warping to them that affects spacetime
near them. It's believed that the gravity brain is warped
in such a way that almost all gravitons and what
is called the bulk, the five dimensional bulk in between,
causes virtually all gravitons to want to hug the gravity
brain and not stay stay in the larger bulk. So
they gravitons in the four dimensional weak membrane where we
live our universe are free to move over to the
five dimensional bulk, but the vast majority of them, exponentially
large amount, move over towards the gravity brain. And that
explains the weakness of gravity on the four dim weak
brain that we live on that is at about ten
or trillion electron volt energy level. And there is something
called the graviton probability function which goes up steeply sharply
as you get closer to the gravity brain. Between the
two gravity the two four dimensional membranes that are sitting
out there in the five dimensional bulk. And now we're
going to see the solution to the UFO question and
the technology. So we now know that we know from
general relativity that strong gravity shrinks distance. So this is
just normal general relativity that is well understood. Where gravity
is strong, distance between points shrinks. Okay, this is important,
and I believe UFOs are penetrating into this five dimensional
bulk to go between the stars. In other words, Mother nature.
We don't have to warp space time ourselves, or if
we can just figure out how to get into the
five dimensional bulk. Then we can take advantage of the
warped nature of that five dimensional bulk. It's severely warped,
so distance will shrink and we use that as a
pathway to the stars. It shortens distance and in other words,
we do not need to vibe to come up with
the argantuan energy needed to warp space time. Mother nature
does it for us. That is the key.
Speaker 1: And so you think other civilizations, intelligence civilizations have figured
out this puzzle.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we'll get back to that. We'll get to
that in one second. So and so, basically what I
did a graphic here which people they are watching the
show on YouTube can see, but it just basically shows
the warping of space time. And one of the things
we will see in particle accelerators if these extra dimensions exist,
we will see undetected energy loss, which is KK particles
going back into the five dimensional bulk. And by the way,
that comes important in a second. Okay, So I believe
what UFOs are doing is they are there. Are they
They're coming through the bulk to our somehow they figured
out they have their own GPS system to navigate the
five dimensional bulk. Remember that's not that's part of our
larger universe, but not part of the four dimensional universe
we're in okay, although we're in a sense part of
that bigger and they are. They have figured out how
I believe what they're doing is they're surrounding their ship
with KK gravitons. And these KK gravitons. If anybody who
has seen the movie Extraterrestrial Et, what is the number
one thing Et wants to do? He wants to go home?
Thank you Martin, that was perfect. He wants to go home.
The same is true of these KK gravitons. So I
believe these other civilizations are in our four dimensional universe,
maybe Alpha Centauri the closes star system to us for
all you know. And they are. They figured out how
to surround their ship with these KK gravitons, pull it
into the bulk, and then you take advantage of the
shrunken distance in the bulk to travel to our sun
soul sol And as it is known in Greek mythology.
And they figured out how to reduce the number of
KK gravitons around their ship and allow the ship to
go back out into the four dimensional universe. And then
they pop out if they probably have long ago figured
out a navigation system their own five dimensional GPS, and
so I think that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And Antonio kind of works off of this. I've seen
him at a presentation where he thinks they have like
lanes almost.
Speaker 2: In the big Yeah. Mark saw one of my presentations
many years agout, ten years ago, and he likes the same.
He picked up the concept there and he likes he
believes it's he likes the concept. And I and another
guy that also in the UFO field like Mark, that
also liked the concept was Stanton Friedman. Do you remember Stanton?
He unfortunately, unfortunately he passed away a few years ago,
but he was a nuclear physicist and when I did
a talk up at Exeter in New Hampshire, he came
up to me afterwards he said, Bob, he said, I
think you might be onto something, you know. So, But anyway,
so I'm going to tell you and I'm going to
go back to one of the stories we looked at
way back at the beginning, Sir Francis Chichester, the world
famous pilot back in nineteen thirty one. Now mind you,
this is way before people were talking about UFOs but
he described a UFO well at that time he called
it a craft. He did a ship. I think the
word he used was ship. This was one in thirty one,
nineteen thirty one, and he was And it's in his
book The Lonely Sea and Sky on page one sixty five,
if anybody wants to look. And here's an exact quote
from Sir Francis Chichester. He was knighted later for his accomplishments.
The object came on, but instead of increasing in size,
it diminished as it approached, and I emphasized that in
the slide for the people listening to the audio. When
and when it was quite near, it suddenly became its
own ghost. One second I could see right through it,
and the next it had entirely vanished. And in another
chapter he says he could see the waves and the
ocean below it. Now I want everybody to pay attention
to what he said. It diminished, meaning it shrunk as
it approached him, which doesn't make sense unless if it
was pushing into the bulk and he was seeing the
ghost image of it as it was passing into the bulk,
it might very well appear to shrink in the bulk.
Because the bulk the distances shrink.
Speaker 1: But how would he and it would I would think
that it would look like it was going away if
it was getting smaller, you know, But he knew it
was coming toward him.
Speaker 2: Yep, he knew it was coming toward him because it
was right next to a cloud, and this thing was
right on the edge of this cloud. And as he
approached the cloud, he would have if it was an
opticon or no, if it was something that was happening everywhere,
the cloud would have shrunk too.
Speaker 1: But it didn't.
Speaker 2: Only the object shrink. But that's a good question. So
now I'm going to give an example of how warp
geometry works UFOs traveling in the bulk. So, as I mentioned,
work geometry affects distance and distant shrinks in the warped
five dimensional bulk. Then it turns out that the nearest
star system to Earth is Alpha Century. It's at four
point three light years are about twenty five trillion miles.
And now the gravity force in the bulk increases by
sixteen orders of magnitude as you approach the plank brain,
that is, the gravity brain on the other end of
the five dimensional bulk. That's ten to the sixteen power
stronger gravity over there than we experience. Believe me, that's
the number one, followed by sixteen zeros and that's strong,
and so distance really shrinks in there. And by the way,
I believe the UFOs protect themselves by surrounding themselves with
vast amounts of micro black holes, which are created by gravitans.
So if we assume that the UFO only only goes
part way into the bulk, they're too lazy to go further.
And so where gravity is only ten to the twelve
orders of magnitude stronger than what it is on the membrane,
then the distance to Alpha Centauri shrinks from twenty five
trillion miles to a mere twenty five miles. And Martin
and I could jump in our car and drive to
Alpha century in half an hour and hopefully not get
caught by the five dimensional bulk police.
Speaker 1: Well, I really don't have anything going on, but now listen, though,
you know, the one thing I've always wondered on how
people conventionally think of something, you know, going at what
do you call warp speed or whatever? Is? First of
all is how do they avoid particles you know and
things that may you know, at such a high speed,
and then how do they stop?
Speaker 2: Very question? Two things, and that's a great question. Is
that a question that came in?
Speaker 1: No, no, something, I thought.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what Martin asked?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: How how do they protect themselves as they move through
the five dimensional bulk from particles that are in there?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: What was the other part? Then? How they stop? And
how do they stop? Okay? They protect themselves by surrounding
the craft, I believe, with micro black holes, which are
created by kk gravitons. And this is something we expect
to do in particle accelerators. If these extra dimensions exist.
It may take a bigger particle accelerator than the large
hadron collider in Geneva, Switzerland, but hopefully we'll be able
to do it. And other civilizations look like they've already
been doing it for many, many years, I mean millennia,
maybe millions of years. And so these micro black holes,
if you remember, way back at the beginning of the talk,
I mentioned that micro black holes will absorb, or at
least cause to orbit around them any particle going at
the speed of lighter near the speed of lighter, even
slower than the speed of light, considerably slower, so that
any particle that so they'll be, each UFO is surrounded
by a shroud of micro black holes, and so as
they're moving through the bulk, or for that matter, through
our atmosphere, any particles that hit them are just absorbed
or temporarily going to orbit around these micro black holes.
That's what happens to them, and they don't affect the
UFO at all. The guys can be inside drinking a
cup of coffee, watching back to the future, and they'll
be perfectly fine, you know. And so that's how they
do it. Now. As far as accelerating and decelerating in
the bulk, I believe they are subject to Newton's laws
of action and reaction, just like we are. And I
think they're able and see now, one of the things
I think they do is because because they surround themselves
the micro black holes, they're absorbing all these gravitons around them.
So the bulk, or for that matter, the four dimensional
membrane that we live on, called the weak membrane our universe,
we do not the gravity that occurs there, whether in
the bulk or on the weak membrane, does not see
this object as being massive. That is having a lot
of mass. In fact, they probably maintain a tiny mass,
but the mass is so insignificant that all they have
to do is shoot out a couple of gamma rays
out the back action reaction, and they can move through
the bulk and their GPS system, assuming that they've figured
out how to navigate in the bulk, probably millions of
years ago or at least advanced civilizations that they know that,
as they know when they're going to be approaching their
own planet. So at that point they reverse the thrust
and go out the other way. But they don't need
a whole lot of thrust because neither the bulk nor
the weak brain sees an object that has a lot
of mass because the micro black holes absorb so many gravitons.
Oh and of course gravitons are needed to communicate the
gravitational force to measure mass gravitons. When you get up
in the morning and stumble out of bed, the gravitons
are going back and forth between your you, yourself and
the Earth. And and that's how the mother Earth is
measuring your weight. And that's why you're stumbling. So and
I'm a runner. By the way, I've run the Boston
Marathon three times, and I stumble too, and so and
not until your first cup of coffee, the first anti
gravity uh technology, a cup of coffee, Are you're finally
able to withstand gravity and move on with the day's
business in it? And so. But the UFO, though, if
I was, if I and when I jumped out of bed,
if I was surrounded by these micro black holes like
the UFO is, the Earth would only measure my mass
as being an ounce and I'd be hopping around having
a grand old time. I wouldn't even need a cup
of coffee.
Speaker 1: How can how can the miniature black holes whatever you
call them, micro black holes? How can they be maintained?
Speaker 2: That's a good question. We're going to get to that.
You may be jumping ahead a little bit, but I'll
show you that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just want to I want to put a
here's another thing in the chat, and I'm going to
repeat this because a lot of people seem to claim this,
and that is uh, there are UFO crafts that are
bigger on the inside than they are on the outside.
A lot of people have.
Speaker 2: Oh that idea, that's kind of like, what's that guy
the guy that travels around in the phone booth.
Speaker 1: Well, people like Travis Walton have mentioned it. Yes, and
then there's been a number of people that claim, you know,
they've been abducted on board something.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting idea, the idea that the inside of
the UFO has different measurements than the outside in a
sense that maybe perhaps is possible, in the sense that
the micro black holes on the outside, of course, create
a tremendous gravity force and they are then shaping space
time around the UFO. There may be an inner part
of the UFO that is permanent, but the outer part,
not the UFO itself, but what appears to be the UFO,
which whose shape could potentially change as the gravitons, the
level of KK gravitons that are created is moderated or changed,
and it might actually affect what appears to be the
shape of the UFO. But on the inside, the guys
are perfectly happy and enjoying their coffee. You know. So,
but what was the other thing, Oh, I want to
get to the other question you had. How do they
maintain the KK gravitons or increase or decrease?
Speaker 1: How do they maintain the black holes?
Speaker 2: And so that's just a cartoon for the people watching
the YouTube video. I have a cartoon Bart simps of
Homer Simpson grumbling about Bart saying he goes to Alpha
Centuri in just thirty minutes, and Homer says, yeah, sure.
But in the background in the window you see Bart
being sucked up by a UFO. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now you know that one of the illustrators on The
Simpsons is really into UFOs.
Speaker 2: No I didn't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and all kinds of paintings he did Lee
Spiegel's concept of his UFO encounter and stuff. He's a
great guy. He goes to a lot of kidding.
Speaker 2: Gee, we want to get in touch with him. And
then so now going back, excuse Remember I just wanted
to jump back to the two big questions on UFO technology.
The first question was how do they get here? And
the answer is they're taking advantage of the natural warped
pathway provided by Mother Nature, and so we don't need
the energy to warp space time. Mother Nature has done
it for us. And I find that kind of amazing.
It's almost as if the universe was created for intelligent
life and then when it evolved to a certain point,
it would be able to go visit each other and
you know, say hey, what are you guys up to?
You know and so. But anyway, that does answer the
first question this natural warped pathway and the final in
the five dimensional bulk. The second question is how are
these craft able to perform a inertia defying acrobatics in
Earth's atmosphere? Is real quick? We can answer this very quick.
So so KK gravitons are created by the micro black
holes as I talked about, and and in the four
dimensional uh, four dimensional micro black black holes will decay
into after they are created into fermions scaler basons both sorry,
both on and gauge both sons, and don't worry about
the technical word. But we will see something and a
lot of people will be familiar with this term, something
called Hawking radiation, named after Stephen Hawking, the famous English physicist.
And this, by the way, is important. And Mark D'Antonio,
if you're listening, this is something uh, you know, maybe
we can collaborate on. And because it's in order, I
believe we may be able if we can detect Hawking
radiation from these UFOs. I know Doug Trumpel was a
guy that Mark used to work with. Unfortunately, Doug Trouble
Trumpell passed away, but he was working on building a platform,
a mobile platform based on a hum V which had
equipment to detect various radiation UH emissions coming out of
these UFOs. And should I be lucky enough to win
the mega millions of the power ball, Mark, I'm getting
in touch with you so we can get in touch
with whoever's still remaining involved with Mark Trumple's project.
Speaker 1: And we know that somewhere some of it exactly.
Speaker 2: And it's it's there's a video which we can't show
for copyright, I think, but it's under UFO tog U
f O t O G for photography and look UFO dog,
Doug Trumpel, there's a fantastic five minute video that I
urge everybody to take a look at. You can look
at it individually, but for copyright reasons, we can't show
it on the YouTube. Heer. So going back to the microso,
I mean the micro black holes. So these four D
gravitons are absorbed by the micro black holes that are
so so, and that means that the graviton exchange between
planet Earth and the UFO is reduced. I don't think entirely.
I think it leaves a tiny amount of masks to
be detected by the planet Earth, and they need that
for an action reaction engine. And by the way, I
believe these UFOs are still subject to Newton's laws of
action reaction going back what three years, four hundred years.
But the key thing to remember in this is that
instead of so this is not anti gravity, So that's
not what this is. Instead, the apparent mass of the UFO,
as far as the Earth is concerned, is reduced severely, tremendously,
and which means since Einstein said the gravitational mass and
the inertial mass are equivalent, that's the foundation of general relativity.
Since they are equivalent, that means the inertial mass of
the UFO is reduced as well. And that's how these
UFOs are able to overcome inertial forces. I gotta put
them on. Yeah, we got to. If I can interrupt,
we have a message coming in. Oh god it We're good.
We're very close in them. So I'm just showing a picture.
It shows kk gravitys and micro black holes around a UFO,
and a more detailed picture and so another slide showing
the equivalence of inertial mass and gravitational mass, and so
now we're going to get to what UFOs are. And
I'm okay. The Large Hadron Collider, which is a massive
particle accelerator located in Geneva, Switzerland. I think it's like,
I don't know, thirteen miles in diameter or something like that,
and this thing is gigantic, and I'm also called the
LHC Large Hadron Collider. Hadron means heavy Greek Greek word.
It means heavy particles. They smash them together and it's
expected to produce or they hope to produce KK gravitons
and micro black holes to be produced in turn from
the KK gravitar I.
Speaker 1: Thought they produced the micro black holes for a few
fraction of a second.
Speaker 2: I do that. I don't know. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I thought that they might have, but I might have
that totally wrong. I keep I'm sure I'm going to
be corrected because people, there's a lot of people out
there that will no. No.
Speaker 2: I hope SO in a UFO, because if SO were
on the threshold UFO configurations. The shapes of UFOs are
typically disk, cylinders, and spheres. Even triangle UFOs have bright
circles in each corner. So many of you have already
figured out what this is coming to. So why do
UFOs have this circular aspect to their shapes. Because UFOs
are particle accelerators, That's what they are. And to Martin's
earlier question, how do they maintain the level of KK
gravitons and and UH and the micro black holes. They
just they keep these particle accelerators going all the time.
And so whenever the thing is operating, it's cranking out
K A gravitons and micro black holes and A and
and A. Shout out to Mark again, Mark, if we
can if if either you can win the Mega millions
are Powerball, or if I can win it, or Martin
can win it, and he's willing to fund us, if
we could fund a fleet of of these mobile mobile
detection centers that UH Doug Trumpell came up with it
designed and built, and I want to add some additional
equipment to those equipment that will detect hawking radiation. He
didn't include that in his UH and in the various
equipment that he included in UH detection equipment, But I
want a walking radiation if we can detect that that
would virtually confirm that these UFOs are producing micro black
holes from KK gravitons, and that's how they're operating.
Speaker 1: And they have not just to correct myself, they have
not produced and they think it may be possible, but
some people are thinking it's never possible, so it's controversial.
Speaker 2: It's yeah. Well, uh. The next slide I have here
for the for the audio people and for those who
are actually looking at it is a cartoon of Professor
Lansberg was fast regretting becoming the first man to successfully
create many black hole in the laboratory, and it shows
them being sucked into the black hole.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are really scared about
that too, like them. No, no, it's not a problem,
I know, but people are they think it could destroy
the whole earth. There are people that.
Speaker 2: And no, it's not a problem. In fact, what happens
is micro black holes. The physicists know for sure that
almost as soon as they are formed, very quickly, within seconds,
they they decay into hawking radiation. And I'm going to
get to that in a second too, So we don't
have to worry about that all we want to So.
Speaker 1: This is just a real quick question from one of
the listeners, love to hear Doctor Richard wants to know
have you ever discussed your ideas with other physicists and
if so, what do they think.
Speaker 2: Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist, and he loved it. He thinks
that there's something to it. Unfortunately Stanton passed away a
few years ago.
Speaker 1: Anyone else.
Speaker 2: I have talked to some other scientists and our people
in the science community, and they too say, you know this,
this sounds plausible, you know, and it really depends upon
whether they discover these extra dimensions. Oh and by the way,
that I forgot to mention this a little bit further back.
The reason why I believe these extra dimensions exist and
that we just haven't detected them yet but we will
is because of all those stories about UFOs becoming partially
transparent and disappearing or is it as well as Captain
Schultz in nineteen eighty one observing what UFO that seemed
to be splitting out of the blue sky and breaking
out into our four dimensional universe. And I believe that
is an example of one coming in and the others
are examples of UFOs leaving our four dimensional space time
and here's another.
Speaker 1: Quick question here, And if their ship was covered in
micro black holes, wouldn't they be invisible to the naked eye?
Speaker 2: No, micro black holes are invisible. Oh yep, So now
that and there's but that does deserve a bit more
to it. Here's what I want to point out. Inside
the bulk, the number of micro black holes they create
will be tremendous. And there that whoever wrote that question.
So if you were able to see in the five
dimensional bulk, which I think again, then you would probably
not be able to see the UFO because there be
so many micro black holes that they would absorb photons. However,
and this is key I thought about this, and that's
an extraordinarily good question. And our four dimensional space time
that we live in the weak brain weak membrane, the
number of gravitons is so few that we don't and
there's way more photons than there are gravitons that we
only need a small number of gravitons to absorb the
tiny number of gravitons that are emitted exchange between the
UFO and Planet Earth. Isn't that fascinating? We don't need
a whole lot of micro black holes because remember gravity
is incredibly weak compared to the electromagnetic force, which is
related to photons. So therefore, or to put it a
little differently, the photons there may be ten to the
thirtieth one followed by thirty zeros, more photons than there
are gravitas. So we only need a handful of gravitons
to make this craft to eliminate the inertial its inertial mass,
or to reduce its inertial mass, and so it would
still be perfectly visible. But I will grant one thing.
Do you know the name of the questionnaire?
Speaker 1: TJ. T Hammer?
Speaker 2: T Hammer? Sorry, T Hammer. Your question is very interesting
in another respect, if you remember, early on in the
talk we talked about the UFOs that were passing overhead
that observers noted that parts of it appeared solid and
parts of it appeared wavy. So that may indeed be
those parts. The gravitons are a bit stronger, and they're
and so they're distorting light in those areas. And so
that's a terrific question. And I don't I think that's
pretty much it. Oh, we have a few minutes left.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I also going to play that video
when we're doo.
Speaker 2: Oh, excellent. There's some circumstantial evidence that is very important.
Just two pieces that are very very interesting. Number one
is a UFO observed over over Sonora, California in nineteen
seventy six. And the second piece of circumstantial evidence was
a is a crisis in physics and we're going to
get into those were first look at the UFO and Sonora, California.
So the UFO sighting in Sonora, California.
Speaker 1: Oh, the angels here, Yeah, I remember that. You remember.
Speaker 2: See it's wonderful being with Martin because he goes way
back to exactly every heard what Martin said. It was
dangling in the trees and a woman came out and
had the presence of mind. She had a clean, empty
jar of mayonnaise that was formerly from with mayonnaise, and
she she gathered up, put it in the jar, sealed it,
and then gave it to some scientists. But what was
found in the angel hair was tritium, which is amazing
from the UFO. Tritium is rare in nature, but guess
where it's found. It's found in particle accelerators.
Speaker 1: Really, isn't that amazing.
Speaker 2: There's there's kind of secondhand circumstantial evidence that these things
are giant particle accelerators.
Speaker 1: About that, it.
Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing? And when I first saw that, I said, so,
I said.
Speaker 1: How was tritium you know? Produced?
Speaker 2: And the accelerator it just happens to be a byproduct
of the various UH reactions that are taking place, and
so the interactions. Now, the second thing is the crisis
in physics, and there's a theory called supersymmetry, which was
supposed to solve the hierarchy problem. The hierarchy problem, if
everybody remembers, is the weakness of gravity and compared to
the other three fundamental forces in nature, the strong nuclear force,
weak nuclear force, and electromaticism. So it was believed that
supersymmetry would solve the hierarchy problem. But supersymmetry, as particle
accelerators became more and more powerful, it was expected that
we would begin seeing particles predicted by supersymmetry, but they
have never been seen, and that put the entire supersymmetry
physics community into it. Let me put it this way,
a dither. They were really upset about this because the
particles they predicted to be there but they weren't, which
means the failure of supersymmetry, which solved the hierarchy problem,
means that concepts like warped geometry are now way more likely.
And that's exactly what I believe is going to happen.
So the question is where do we go from here?
And I'll just briefly describe and can we prove yes,
the Large Hadron Collider will give evidence confirming or disproving
M theory and warp geometry. It's going to take They're
going to be upgrading that in a few years, and
I think it's going to take a more powerful accelerator
to really get at this. The second thing is more
UFO data needs to be acquired. In particular, a full
spectrum analysis of brightly lit UFOs whose emissions show it
working at maximum power would provide critical data on how
these things function. And and Mark D'Antonio, if you're listening
out there, this is where if you if we could
somehow hook up with the people involved with Doug Trumpell's project,
that would be fantastic, you know. And then so so
what we're looking for finally is hawking radiation micro black holes.
One more interesting piece of evidence got a guy an
early UFO researcher who many people may remember, especially people
in the audience who are older, like not X and
Z generation Martin and I are a little bit older
than that.
Speaker 5: What do we a.
Speaker 2: Generation and so alpha and but anyway, they so way
back in the fifties, all Hill, who was a NASA engineer,
used Geiger counters to try to gather data from a
close encounter UFO sidings. He had a whole team of
people running around and back in the fifties, the UFOs
were particularly interested in the East coast of the US
in the early fifties. Martin had mentioned that earlier in
the talk nineteen fifty two and Paul Hill, the engineer
was very lucky that one of his crews picked up
some emissions from a UFO that was only like one
hundred yards away, and it was coming up and down
below a low hill. And anyway, what they picked up
was an intense gamma rays and gamma rays black holes
micro black holes, according to Hawking radiation are believed when
they decay to terminate in a burst of gamma rays,
exactly what they picked up. Now, keep in mind the
UFO is continually creating these micro black holes which means
they would be continually emitting gamma rays. Oh, and I
might mention one other thing, for safety reasons. If you
happen to have a close encounter with the UFO, try
to stay at least one hundred feet away, because those
gamma rays are very, very dangerous and they can they
can mute, mutate the cells in your body and cost cancer.
Speaker 1: Well there's that Canadian. Yeah, I'm trying to remember the
lake where the guy had that radiation. Burns's real.
Speaker 2: Oh what does anybody remember his name?
Speaker 1: I mean I could figure out in a minute something
like that, but I'll look it up while we're sitting here. Okay,
so we're going to go another I don't know, probably
ten minutes now.
Speaker 2: Probably not even that. Oh, just a few more things
and I'm done. Detection of Hawking rate and that would
be the full gamut of Hawking radiation and that that
has like a normal curve and would virtually confirm UFOs
are using m theory warp geometry and KK gravitons and
micro black holes in their technology. Falcon Lake. Yes, and
I'll try to get the oh yes, Michel Mitchell Act
so we can just before we go into that we
cannot predict the appearance of UFOs, but they're often seen
multiple times in the same geographic area, such as the
Phoenix Lights, Hudson Valley, sidings of the Belgian triangles. So
in a in a situation like that, if we could
and mark this is where we need your help, your connections.
If we could get a fleet of these multile emissions
detectors for UFO detector detection equipment, like a dozen or
more of these things and bring them to the sites
or the areas where there's a lot of sightings, would
stand a pretty good chance of picking up the data
we need.
Speaker 1: In the there's a few other people also working with
the equipment like this. Yes, crystal'brien was, and even yeah,
even Paul, Paul. I'm trying to Peter Peter at the
the just the last name begins of the d I
just can't think of right now. Who is a UFO. Yeah,
he takes some UFO reports in one of the places, Davenport,
Peter daven Davenport, I know him, but I think I
think Peter is looking for something more like radar or
something new Fork.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, National UFO Reporting Center, And boy, that's
pretty good between us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, even though.
Speaker 2: We're the alpha generation, that takes two of us.
Speaker 1: Remember, are we done with us? We get another page.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to stop sharing.
Speaker 2: But can you tell people about the mitchellac Mitchie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so yeah that in that case, you know,
it was back trying to think of what there was
nineteen sixty seven. He was basically someone that was a prospector.
He was out and this thing came down and there's
a lot of great information for you. Put that in
the show notes the Falcon Linke incident in nineteen sixty seven.
But he was in the hospital, his clothes were tested,
he had like a real radiation burn on his chest
and yeah, it was pretty serious yep.
Speaker 2: And he had some signs of radiation poisoning. You.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so this this video you wanted me to play
Chichester nineteen thirty one, So this is who we were
talking about. Absolutely, So we're gon we're going to watch
that right now.
Speaker 4: It is a perfect shape. It It was shaved of well,
like a pearl with a tail. And I watched this
thing and and and suddenly it disappeared, and I was
I thought, well, am I seeing things I'd had a
very grueling flight. I'd been waiting for I had an
engine trouble, and I've been waiting for us speaking to
go into the sea, you know. And however, suddenly this
thing reappeared coming towards me, and well, I'm not gonna
let a girl this time. And I kept my look
fixed on it, and it approaching fairly fast. And then suddenly, gradually,
rather it began to thin out, and it vanished in
front of me, and before my eyes it became a
sort of ghost. I could see the water, the waves
and the sea through it for one instant and then
it went. It vanished.
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. My name is Josha and Duboc.
I am a Retard Air Force captain. During Air Forlance
flight thirty five forty two from Nest to London on
twenty eighth January nineteen ninety four, I observed with my
crew a UFO in broaday light near Paris. The UFO
was in evolution and it looked like this with a
bank a girl of forty five degrees. It seemed to
be a huge flying disc. It stabilized and stopped moving.
We observed it over a one minute on the left
of our plane. Surprisingly totally station are in the sky,
and it disappeared progressively. This large object was below us
at the altitude of thirty five thousand feet. We were
thirty nine thousand feet at a distance of about twenty
five noted on miles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wanted everybody to see these actual pilots
talking about their observation sort connect it to our to
the show and our talk.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well, thank you so much, sir, and thank
you Martin for having so great right here on the cape.
And this has been a real pleasure. And so we'll
be back next week with Earl Gray and go ahead.
Speaker 2: Could I could I do a shout out?
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: Real quick, a shout out to my wife and daughter,
my wife Carol and my daughter Debbie in Virginia. My
wife's right here on the cape and a few other
respond to my friend Joe Martin, only to my brothers
and sisters.
Speaker 1: Is everyone watching there's spot better be.
Speaker 2: And and and and the Wild Harpor country Store. They
said they might be looking at it tonight too, So anyway,
who else there was some other people. If I left
anybody out, sorry, but I couldn't remember off the tip
of my tongue here all right.
Speaker 1: And and hi Ken, Yeah, my friend Ken, And yes,
and I you know, while you're at it, I should
do it. Just I want to pay all the people
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