WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.799 The following program is produced by the tech Talk Radio. 2 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:05.200 Now everybody out there in radio, and this is James 3 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:08.240 Young from the rock band Stick. If you are technically challenged, 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:09.919 if you got trouble with that computer. 5 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:12.160 Yours, because Lord knows, I do you need to listen to. 6 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:17.320 Tech Talk Radio. Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio. 7 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:21.440 I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean de Weird, and I'm Justin Lemmey. Welcome. 8 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:22.760 It's good to see all all Mack. 9 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.359 What a great show that was last week, right, I 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:27.640 mean yeah, we had a lot of fun with it 11 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:30.719 because you know, there was there was a longer video 12 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:34.200 discussion then you know we we were able to put 13 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:35.840 on the air. But I'll tell you what it was, 14 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:40.000 the blast talking to Ted Sellis and Jason Sikorski from 15 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:42.600 the Postal documentary. And I don't anybody got a chance 16 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:45.000 to see that yet. They said they wanted to send 17 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:46.520 us out copies. 18 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:48.640 And luck would behold, it came in the mail today. 19 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:52.920 You're watching the video. I'm holding it up. It's it's sealed, 20 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.640 which is great, and it's signed by the two guys 21 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:58.079 who talked to last week and the two guys from 22 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:00.399 Running with scissors, So I don't even know if I 23 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:01.159 want to seal it. 24 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.879 Oh man, I went ahead and unsealed it. I noticed 25 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:07.719 that the autographs are actually on the inside, so they 26 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:10.439 actually took the slip cover out and autographed it so 27 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:12.799 that way you're not gonna ruin it. They didn't sign 28 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:14.959 the plastic on top, they signed it inside of it. 29 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.359 Oh that's cool, that's cool. There was a lot going 30 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:18.400 on this week. 31 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:20.680 I kind of wanted to ask you guys too about 32 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:24.879 this Fortnite money claim that every It's like the press 33 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:27.560 is talking about it because Fortnite obviously a pretty huge 34 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:29.959 game and now they're saying that there's a lot of 35 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.640 money going to be coming back to people who played 36 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:35.959 the game and maybe made some in game purchases. Which 37 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.879 this is not the only game that's ever happened on, right, No, this. 38 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:43.920 Is this is this is something that's not new. There's 39 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:46.000 a lot of games, I mean, maybe not a lot. 40 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:48.239 I'd say, maybe you know a handful of games that 41 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.200 have done something like this, but I think that this one, 42 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:57.439 because Fortnite is such a huge ip that this kind 43 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:01.560 of sets a precedent for this type of situation. Uh, 44 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:05.400 you know, Fortnite is a very very popular game with 45 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:09.479 children especially you know, maybe let's say tweens or teams 46 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:12.919 that play it, not not so much like younger kids 47 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.360 and stuff. What's the premise in Fortnite? What are you 48 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.919 gonna do? It's a Battle Royale sean, you know Battle Royale, right, 49 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:19.280 it's at. 50 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:21.879 The Battle Royal game, right. You basically parachute in it's all. 51 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.039 You can play in teams of four duos or solo 52 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:27.840 and you basically try to survive to the end. But 53 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:30.439 there's a couple different modes, like there's a builder mode 54 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.879 where you can build platforms and houses and stuff, and 55 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.360 then there's a no building mode. But like any other game, 56 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:39.520 there's micro transactions, right. You can buy skins, you can 57 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:43.599 buy weapons, you can buy avatars, you can buy whatever 58 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:45.879 X people. Yeah, you can buy xpoples and stuff. So 59 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:53.639 so back in twenty twenty two, the FDC basically said, 60 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.599 if you bought or if you you were charged in 61 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:01.439 game currency for items you didn't want, your childman unauthorized charges, 62 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.680 your Fortnite account was locked between these days whatever. After 63 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:09.599 disputing charges, you're basically eligible for refunds on some of 64 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:10.039 that stuff. 65 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.879 Wait, so wait, they so people maybe saw these charges 66 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:15.080 on there that maybe their kids made, and then the 67 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.680 people of Fortnite locked the game out so nobody could 68 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:18.159 play it. 69 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.719 Correct and because if you disputed the charges, Fortnite would say, yeah, 70 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.800 you're you bet, you're done your kids back. So basically 71 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:29.479 they've reopened it currently distributing one hundred and twenty six 72 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.199 million dollars in refunds, and has reopened the claim's process 73 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:34.840 until the July till July ninth of this year, so 74 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:37.199 in next this later this week, you know, in a 75 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:37.960 couple couple of days. 76 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:38.800 So okay. 77 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:40.759 The good question is for some of our listeners that 78 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:43.400 are not gamers, maybe they have kids that are gamers 79 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.639 or grand kids or whatnot, would one hundred and twenty 80 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:48.879 six million dollars seem like a lot of money to 81 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:49.840 some of these companies. 82 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:52.080 I mean, it is a pro. 83 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.000 Section lawsuit, you might it's probably not that much money 84 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:55.919 to Epic Games. 85 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.199 Fortnite makes like thirty million dollars a day. 86 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:04.479 It's wow, wow, I know it's I play a game 87 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:07.240 called tune Blast, and it's you know, it's a game 88 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:09.759 you play on your your smartphone and it's a lot 89 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:10.280 of fun. 90 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.840 And they and lately I've been seeing ads for another 91 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.319 one of their properties, Royal I think it's Royal Match 92 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:16.920 or Royal. 93 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:17.600 Kingdom, one of those. 94 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:20.480 And they they talk about the fact that you could, 95 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:23.120 you know, get the app, you can download the app, 96 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:24.759 you can play the game. 97 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.560 Uh. No Internet is needed for you to play the game. 98 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:29.600 Uh. 99 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.519 And it doesn't cost you anything, and there's no in 100 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:33.319 game ads. 101 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.279 And you know, I had somebody at work ask me 102 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:40.399 how do they make their money? I said, well, it's 103 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:45.199 all in the artificial intelligence within the game that if 104 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.480 you're doing good, you're gonna get to a point where 105 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:51.600 you're not doing good now to get past certain levels, 106 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:56.360 you can then buy like they do in Fortnite, luke 107 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:59.560 crate or you buy you know, boost, you buy a 108 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.480 boost package. You can buy you know, for twenty bucks, 109 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:04.800 you get this. For fifty dollars, you get this, you know, 110 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.240 for five dollars, you can get this, you buy that, 111 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:10.160 and that gets you over that hump. And it really 112 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:14.120 is quite addicting for people who play the game. And yeah, 113 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.319 they're being told by celebrities. I mean, they've got some 114 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:20.920 big endorsers that are are on television, you know, saying 115 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:23.800 play this game because you don't have to be on 116 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:24.480 the internet. 117 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.160 There's no in game ads, so why not have fun 118 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:27.480 with it? 119 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.160 Because they will make money off you because they know 120 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.319 they actually have from what I've heard, they have psychologists 121 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:37.040 who decide at what point, Oh, absolutely, the game is 122 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.319 gonna get harder. They've been doing that in games for 123 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:40.120 quite some time. 124 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.720 Right. Yeah, it's all about psychology, and it's all about 125 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:47.920 the gambling mindset, right, it's getting people hooked. Give them 126 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.079 that competitive advantage. I'm doing really good, really good, and 127 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:54.199 then you slowly just trickle them back down and you 128 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.040 get them to where they're like, oh, oh I might, 129 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:58.920 I might, I might not be breaking even anymore. He 130 00:05:58.959 --> 00:05:59.959 boot them up a little bit. 131 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.720 Yeah, I have a I have a very good example, 132 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:07.480 and that's actually happening right now. I just picked up 133 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:10.240 a new game, and I've been wanting this game for 134 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.319 a while, but I've been reading the reviews on it 135 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.120 and it's it's it's on Steam because we got the 136 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.560 Steam Summer Sales, so there was a bit of a discount. 137 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:23.399 But it's PGA Tour two K two five, so really 138 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:28.519 the latest edition of the PGA Tour golf simulation. I 139 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:30.560 wanted this game a long time ago because I've been 140 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:35.120 itching for a golf simulator, but there isn't anything out 141 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.120 there except for this. And I kept reading the reviews, 142 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.480 and the reviews kept saying the same thing. It's micro transaction, heaven, 143 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.800 Like they constantly want you to buy by by get 144 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.639 your player to the next level, buy this, buy that, 145 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:52.279 buy this new shirt, buy this new hat, buy this 146 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:56.160 new golf club. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, 147 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:57.759 I really don't want to do that, you know, I 148 00:06:57.800 --> 00:06:59.800 just want to play the game. But then I finally, 149 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:02.560 before I bought it, I read a review, and this 150 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:04.920 review is super long, and the guy was like, look, 151 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.319 if you're sitting here looking at this game like it's 152 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:11.959 a Fortnite like extremely, you know right away just succeed 153 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.839 with everything you do that this is not the game 154 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.759 for you. This is a simulation. This is a golf simulation, 155 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:22.399 and golf is hard. You have to grind through it, 156 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.120 you have to learn, you have to get better. If 157 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.279 you think you can just simply buy your way to 158 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:29.560 the top, then you better have a lot of money. 159 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.000 If you don't enjoy the game just as it is, 160 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:35.600 because this game is perfect, and I read that review 161 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:37.879 and I was like, Okay, I'll give it a shot. 162 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:42.839 I bought it, and I'm killing it. I'm killing it. 163 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.759 I am like, I'm like twelve under par compared to 164 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.079 like everybody else is like three over par. So I'm 165 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:55.360 winning every single match. But here's the thing. To Sean's point, 166 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.199 they're gonna get you to that spot where you're addicted. 167 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.000 You're like, hey, i'm doing good. I'm doing I'm doing good, 168 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.680 and then they're gonna hit you with that tournament, in 169 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.000 this case, the golf tournament, and you're gonna suck and 170 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:10.360 they're gonna be like, hey, for an extra ten bucks, 171 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.560 we can bump up your stats a little bit. I 172 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.639 bet you that's coming down the line because I'm like, 173 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:18.839 I am not this good of a gamer. I don't 174 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:23.079 understand how I'm beating these guys so hard, but it's 175 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:24.079 so much fun. 176 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.959 It's funny because I do play Royal MATCHROI O Kaydom 177 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.720 and tune Blast. I did notice, like if on my iPhone, 178 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:33.759 which you know I still have an iPhone. 179 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.480 I don't use it. It's there. 180 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.120 I've got my eye watch, my Apple watch, you know, 181 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.200 tied to that and once in a while I'll say, oh, oh, hey, 182 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.759 I've got tomblasts or royal match on this. 183 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:46.039 Let me open it up. 184 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.000 I haven't played it for a while, and it will 185 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.840 right away just it'll say welcome back, and it will 186 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:55.480 give me all these this loot. It just gives it 187 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:57.799 to me, and I'll be like, oh cool, and I'm 188 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.120 playing it and these levels are the easiest I've ever played. 189 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:04.159 I'm like getting through them in just so many moves 190 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:05.840 and I'm thinking that's kind of weird. 191 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:08.000 And then I'll just stop playing. 192 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.360 And that's the thing, like you said, they want you to, 193 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.320 because they'll get to a point where all of a sudden, 194 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.399 you'll have one move left to get to the next 195 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:19.440 level and you won't be able to. 196 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:25.559 Do it unless you buy this. And so it's I mean, hey, do. 197 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.279 You want to know what the January twenty twenty four 198 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:29.879 monthly revenue was for tune Blast? 199 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:30.879 What was it? 200 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.720 Thirty seven million just in January, Just in January. They 201 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.960 have made two point six billion lifetime since twenty seventeen. 202 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:43.320 Right, and to put this, to put this into. 203 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:47.759 Perspective, right, so take that thirty six thirty seven million 204 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:54.159 monthly average and Fortnite in twenty twenty four grossed four 205 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:55.840 point nine billion. 206 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:57.360 Oh my lord, which. 207 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:03.240 Is thirteen million, four one hundred and thirteen million, four 208 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.879 hundred and whatever, four point thirteen point four two million 209 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:07.519 dollars a day. 210 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:10.039 When it comes to your games, then would you prefer 211 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.720 and would most gamers prefer a game that you just 212 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:17.039 buy outright fifty bucks and you don't have to buy 213 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:18.440 any loose or. 214 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:19.759 Do you still have to do that? 215 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:21.799 You're never going to see that again because the lifetime 216 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.879 of games is so long, and they have to support 217 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.360 they have to be able to support server side content. 218 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.720 Well it's not even just that too. So we have 219 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:36.519 gotten to the point now where developers are Developers are 220 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.720 the ones that actually make the game. They're the coders, 221 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:44.120 they're the artists, they're the producers, they're the directors. These 222 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:47.200 are the people that actually make the game. These people 223 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:53.120 are given such an unrealistic timeline by the producers. These 224 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.639 are the ones that are giving them the money to 225 00:10:55.840 --> 00:11:00.600 make this game. And these developers are releasing games that 226 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:06.200 are unfinished, full of bugs, and full of micro transactions 227 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.919 because the publisher just wants to make a quick buck. 228 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:14.000 And then what happens is whatever is left over of 229 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:17.559 the player base after most of the players have vacated 230 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:20.879 the game, they will finally then say, all right, we're 231 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:25.159 gonna start improving the game. We're gonna make patches stick around. 232 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:29.960 Don't worry. It's another psychological thing, like, yes, we understand 233 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.120 the game sucks, but bear with us. We're working on it. 234 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.000 We're gonna make it better. And this is just simply 235 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:39.000 putting the carrot on the stick in front of the horse. 236 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:44.120 It's literally just stringing you along to keep you engaged, 237 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:47.440 to keep you playing as long as they possibly can, 238 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.919 to get every single penny out of you. 239 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.879 It's gonna be difficult though, for kids, because I mean 240 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:57.000 I think as adults we get suckered into that pretty easily. 241 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:58.679 But for kids, I think it could be worse. It's 242 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:01.159 always just a dog. Oh my god, it's so horrible. 243 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:03.279 Kerk has already spent like over one hundred and fifty 244 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.519 bucks on Minecraft. Yeah, what was the game, my money? 245 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:09.960 What was the game that we were playing a few 246 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:13.120 years back where all of us were all of us 247 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.720 were spending money on it. It was an action game 248 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:17.080 top down. 249 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:20.559 Oh you're talking about Fall guys. No, you're talking about 250 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:28.759 like the oh gosh, Supercell. Yeah, yea Clash the Clans. 251 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.279 That was the one. Okay, I've told you this before. 252 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.000 I have over the years. Now I don't play it anymore, 253 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:38.679 but from let's say twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two, 254 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:42.360 maybe I've spent probably close to three thousand dollars on 255 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.679 that game. It was a very addictive game. 256 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:47.639 I got into that as well, and you get to like, oh, wait, 257 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:48.720 now you could do this. 258 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.879 At their heyday, Supercell was making one hundred and fifty 259 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:52.799 million dollars a day. 260 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.039 Wow, you know there's another one I play. But you see, 261 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.320 and this is the opside of it. Would you prefer 262 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:00.879 ads in a game rather than that because I play 263 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:04.639 Words with Friends no, which I get ads? Yeah, And 264 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:07.879 I would prefer a game that costs me one hundred 265 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:14.519 dollars that has no ads, no micro transactions. But yet 266 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.679 there's going to still be updates. Yeah, if there's a bug. 267 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:21.360 But those updates would cost no. No, no no. If 268 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:23.519 it's a bug, it's a bug, you fix it right. 269 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.320 If it's DLC. If it's like, hey, we expanded it, 270 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:29.159 we added new content, yes, I will pay for that, 271 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:34.159 But micro transactions and anything else, no, I would rather 272 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:36.919 just pay one hundred bucks straight up for the game. 273 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.360 When you look at a company like Microsoft and you 274 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:41.919 look at you know, Windows eleven, that's uh, we're now 275 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.720 less than what five months. October fourteenth is the day 276 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:47.559 that they say, you know only you want everybody. 277 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:48.320 What's to change it? 278 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.960 They keep putting out, Well, we may just extend it 279 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:55.000 with those ten they've lost some like four hundred thousand differently, 280 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:58.159 you know, licensees over the last over the last. 281 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:02.200 Three years, widows has shed over four hundred thousand Windows licenses. 282 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:03.879 So where are they going to? Are they going to 283 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:05.600 Mac or are they going to Linux? Even? 284 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.759 But even Mac even I just read an article about 285 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.200 this today because those numbers are coming out. Even Max 286 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.799 subscriptions are down, like not subscriptions, but the Mac shares down. 287 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.679 Could always be too our smartphone? About Linux? What about Linux? 288 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.399 Linux is still the bottom obviously, but their shares are up. 289 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.240 People are using Linux, but more people day to day 290 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:33.440 are using os io iOS or Android or Google. Yeah, 291 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.200 I mean more people are using their phones than PCs. 292 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:37.559 Yeah. 293 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.000 You could do everything, whether you play games, you could 294 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:42.120 do rep papers, you could do reports. 295 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:44.840 I don't know, you know, it just makes sure, you're 296 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.559 onto this market where tablets and phones are going to 297 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:49.159 supersede PCs. 298 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:50.759 Right, just because of the convenience. 299 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:54.080 Yeah, it's uh, it's going to be interesting to see 300 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:55.559 where it's going to be in the next few years. 301 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:58.000 But I just wonder about this whole you know, is 302 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:00.879 Microsoft just doing a cash grab? I mean, they've got 303 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.759 the manufacturers. I'm sure love it because this is an 304 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.399 opportunity to sell more PCs. And the fact is, let's 305 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.759 face it, when Windows XP came out, we held onto 306 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.360 it for a long time, and you know, we weren't 307 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:16.320 buying anything else. Microsoft kind of changed their strategies over 308 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:18.440 the years and finally said no, no, we need to 309 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.759 we need to change these up a little more often 310 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.039 so that I mean, the company can make money. 311 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:25.039 So then you know, they instead of. 312 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:28.480 Putting out Microsoft Office as a package, it became a 313 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:29.440 software in service. 314 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.240 So so we just talked about this today. Right. XP 315 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.679 was officially released on October twenty fIF two thousand and one. Right, 316 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.240 There wasn't another Windows release until two thousand and seven 317 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:39.759 with Vista. 318 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:40.480 Wow. 319 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:44.840 So it was six full years of development into Vista 320 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:48.720 with it with no new operating system, and then eight 321 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:51.399 came along five years later, twenty twelve. 322 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:52.440 That was awful. 323 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:56.320 Well, actually two thousand and seven, two thousand and nine, right, 324 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.480 so no, I'm sorry you missed you missed seven. They 325 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.000 were out of order when I started seven. Yeah, so 326 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.440 twan only three years, less than three years went by 327 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.799 before Windows seven, then three more years and then it 328 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:12.679 was six years until ten. 329 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.440 So we we talked about this before. I don't remember 330 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:18.799 how many months ago it was, but we all know 331 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:23.080 that there are two teams that work on Microsoft Windows 332 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:26.480 operating systems. There's the Blue team and there's the Gold team, 333 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:29.679 and I know which one is which responsible for which, 334 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:35.039 but they alternate operating systems. So if you look back 335 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:39.759 all the way back to Windows ninety five, okay, Windows 336 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:43.279 ninety five, it was okay, it was pretty good. Yeah. 337 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:48.039 Then Windows ninety eight came out sucked two Windows ninety 338 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:52.200 eight second Edition, which was amazing. Then they came out 339 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:56.360 with Windows two thousand, not really that good. It was 340 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.159 more geared towards servers. Then they came out with Windows 341 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:04.559 XP amazing. Yeah, And they came out with Windows EM sucked, 342 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:09.240 was awful. Then they came out with Windows seven, right 343 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:16.000 or no, wait, wait I'm sorry, Thista awful. Yeah, then 344 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:19.640 they came out Windows seven amazing. Yeah, Windows eight sucked, 345 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:25.839 Windows ten awesome, Windows eleven sucked. What does that pattern 346 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.680 show you that we will see Windows twelve by next year? 347 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.440 Windows twelve is gonna be awesome? And what team knows 348 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:34.839 what the hell they're doing? The other team doesn't, it 349 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.680 seems because every team that works on the ones that 350 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:42.240 have been sucky continues to work on the sucky ones, 351 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:45.839 whereas the other team works on the good ones. So if, if, 352 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:49.920 if the history holds true, Windows twelve should be amazing. 353 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.519 I'm just so, I know we've talked about this, So 354 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:55.599 I'm going to talk about this new laptop that I bought. 355 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.200 We've talked about co Pilot and how we're. 356 00:17:58.079 --> 00:17:58.960 Just so ugh. 357 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.680 The other day, I was going through this new laptop 358 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:06.240 and it has the co pilot key on it, and 359 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.480 I was trying to figure out, how do we change this? 360 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:11.880 You know, I mean, I'm trying to remember the steps. 361 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.079 So I hit the I hit the key, I went ahead. Oh, 362 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.400 I took the step and I hit the key, and 363 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.599 I wanted to wanted to do I wanted to do 364 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:21.599 everything do. I wanted to run this do I No, 365 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:26.000 I just want an answer to my question. And I 366 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.559 asked my Google assistant the question, and I asked the 367 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.279 co pilot and actually copilot gave me a pretty good 368 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.720 answer as well as the uh, the Google assistant. So 369 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:39.680 you know, the thing is, we're I think we're going 370 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:43.519 to continue to see them integrating stuff like that that 371 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:47.039 is going to feedback more information that than that information 372 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.000 could be used for advertising, and then we're going to 373 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:50.559 see more ads in the os sean. 374 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:51.759 You've talked about this before. 375 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:55.599 The ads within Windows itself are getting a point that 376 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:56.519 kind of annoying. 377 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:01.799 Well, it's I'm never gonna get it, but I can 378 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.480 have a wish that I get a bare bones copy 379 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:10.279 of Windows. It exists for government clients, bare bones, no ad, no. 380 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.079 Tracking, do it with PowerShell, yeah, I. 381 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:15.400 Know, I just I don't want to. I want to 382 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:20.960 be lazy without I'll pay for it. I'm already paid 383 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:21.240 for it. 384 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:22.200 Come on, come on, bro. 385 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:27.119 But the one that really irks me is when I 386 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.000 hit the windows key and I type in what I 387 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.799 want to do and it opens a bing window and 388 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:37.839 searches it. Oh that's what that's what just really, I 389 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:40.680 don't I don't want to open Edge. I just want 390 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:44.440 you to search my computer for the thing game? Why 391 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.079 I don't I don't want recall. I don't want this recalls. 392 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.279 They're thrown out there. I don't want it taking a 393 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:51.319 snapshot of my computer and putting it into the clottery 394 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:53.839 fifteen seconds. I don't want to ask Copilot for it. 395 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.039 I just wanted to search my computer. How hard is that? 396 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.160 Yeah, the ingrained Windows search used to be great, and 397 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:05.119 now it is. It's so bad and nobody I'm sorry Microsoft, 398 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:10.559 mister ceo, if you're listening. Nobody likes Edge, nobody likes Copilot, 399 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.759 nobody likes bing. You know, just just seriously, stop, just stop. 400 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:19.880 Can you bring back word Pad? Can you bring back Clippy? 401 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.920