WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:05.839 He's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY, Boston's Me Radio. 2 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:09.720 Thank you very much, Al Griffin. Today is on June 3 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:13.880 nineteenth on the calendar, but as a holiday, it is 4 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:17.320 on Juneteenth. And I know that many of you today 5 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:21.359 did not have to work, but I suspect that there's 6 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:24.480 still a good portion of my audience that doesn't understand 7 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:28.280 fully what the purpose of this holiday is and what 8 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:35.079 it commemorates. And so we've asked Sandra mccroome, she's associated 9 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:37.799 with Children's Services of Roxbury, to join us for a 10 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:43.880 few minutes and just talk about the significance of this holiday, 11 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.840 which has only been a holiday, a federal holiday for 12 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:48.920 a few years. Sandra, welcome to night said, how are 13 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:49.799 you this evening. 14 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:51.240 Mister Ray. 15 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:52.759 Thank you so much for having me. 16 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.880 You're very welcome. By the way, I'm just simply Dan. 17 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:59.840 Mister Ray was my father, so you called me Dan. 18 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:02.439 Okay, thank you so much. 19 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:05.840 I know a little bit about Juneteenth, and I know 20 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:10.840 that the story of Galveston, Texas and all of that, 21 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:12.560 but I thought you could fill in it a little 22 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.560 bit because I'm sure there are people in my audience 23 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.000 who realize this a holiday but they're a little bit 24 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:21.760 confused by what Juneteenth represents and why it's important. 25 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:28.239 Yeah, it's important because it is part of the American story. So, 26 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:33.879 as you mentioned, in Galveston, Texas in eighteen sixty five, 27 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:38.920 there were two hundred and fifty people who were still enslaved, 28 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:43.760 which was after the Emancipation Proclamation. It was two and 29 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:48.680 a half years after the rest of the country had 30 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:51.000 freed their slaves. 31 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:54.480 But it also and also I think it's important to mention, 32 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:56.560 and I'm sure you know as well as I do, 33 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.280 that it was two years a rather two months after 34 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:01.599 the end of the Civil War. 35 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:06.920 That is correct, That is correct, and so this history 36 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:13.919 is important. I would say it really is a second 37 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:19.280 Independence Day for this country, because until we truly are 38 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.000 all free, none of us are really free. And I 39 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:30.680 think it represents freedom and opportunity. This holiday represents what 40 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:38.840 the Constitution has promised all of us, which is, you know, 41 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:44.120 this country made a declaration that we all are have 42 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:48.199 the right to unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the 43 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:53.919 pursuit of happiness. And these enslaved black people were denied 44 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:58.199 that and even after they were freed, as you know, 45 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:05.080 this country still struggles with what is freedom? Who belongs 46 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:09.120 in this country? What rights do each of us have? 47 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:14.400 And I would say there's some populations where rights don't 48 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.120 feel like they are ours to have. 49 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:22.240 Well, as I say, you know, quoting for the Declaration 50 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:26.360 of Independence, which goes back to two hundred and forty 51 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:28.759 nine years ago this fourth of July, we hold these 52 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.479 truth to be self evident. That all men are created equal, 53 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:34.159 and of course they use the word men there to 54 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.680 talk that was really being used in that time of 55 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:41.039 the eighteenth century. All people are created equal, that they're 56 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:44.960 endowed by their creator, which obviously is reference to God, 57 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.919 with certain unalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty, 58 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:52.680 and the pursuit of happiness. And that that is from 59 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:58.479 the Declaration of Independence. And it's an acknowledgment that that 60 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:02.719 it's it's a higher power that that provides us, uh, 61 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:06.159 that that endows us with those rights, and that government 62 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:10.319 of any sort should never never take them away. And uh. 63 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:14.159 And obviously, slavery, in my opinion in this country was 64 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:18.720 what I I call it the nation's original sin. That's 65 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.319 how I feel about it. And I think others have 66 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.120 have have picked up on that idea, and I think 67 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:32.120 President Obama always talked about trying to continue to create 68 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:34.759 the more perfect union and that it's it's you know, 69 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:37.399 there are there are things that can be done going forward. 70 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.759 You know, we we we're we're moving in the right direction, 71 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:44.079 but there still maybe are some uh some some things 72 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.360 we have to still accomplish. And I think that the 73 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:51.680 Juneteenth Uh. You know again, I I I'm not as 74 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:55.160 familiar as you are with the history. I got to 75 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.920 be honest with you, I'm fairly well read. Before this 76 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.439 became a holiday, I was unaware of the fact that, uh, 77 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:07.240 there were people who were still enslaved after uh, you know, 78 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:12.639 general surrendered, you know, uh, And and I don't know 79 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.360 why that was not well known. I saw an interesting 80 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:21.360 piece today in which I guess there was a Union 81 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:26.439 general who brought word to Galveston, Texas. Uh, I think 82 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.399 it was. It was a piece I watched on CNN 83 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:32.879 this morning which I had never never seen before, and 84 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:39.959 the the great great great granddaughter of that general was 85 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:44.920 met up with a woman whose great great grandfather was 86 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:49.079 one of the people who learned two months after the 87 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:53.439 Civil War that indeed the North had won and that 88 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:58.879 slavery was was no longer, uh a de jour legal. 89 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.879 You know there there obviously there were there many steps 90 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.160 that were taken after the Civil War in terms of 91 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.519 emancipation and you know, Fourteenth Amendment and things like that 92 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:13.800 and proud versus Board of Education and on and on 93 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.240 and on. But it's a day that should be remembered. 94 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:19.040 And that's what Juneteenth is all about. What did you 95 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:21.120 do today, I said, you were. You were involved in 96 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.560 some ceremonies today. 97 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:29.839 I was around the city a bit, and I mostly 98 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:33.639 spent the day with friends and family. I mean, this 99 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:36.480 is a time for us to gather. I have been 100 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:41.560 at events all week. I was at the Embrace event 101 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:48.720 last night at the museum, I mean the African American 102 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:54.439 Museum right on Huntington, AB and we had a you know, 103 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.600 it's this time of the year, and as you said, 104 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:02.279 it's very memory and I think this should prompt all 105 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:08.279 of us to think about our history. And I think 106 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:13.800 that the fact that so many people did not know 107 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:20.360 this history is not completely surprising because even now, unfortunately 108 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:26.279 with book bands and libraries being told that they can't 109 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:31.800 even lend out certain books, and the attack on diversity, equity, 110 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:36.560 and inclusion are all symptomatic of that original sin you 111 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:40.720 talked about. These are all symptoms that I think try 112 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:45.800 to suppress a painful part of our history, but it 113 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:51.519 is nonetheless American history. And until or unless we recognize 114 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:55.680 holidays like Juneteenth, it would be difficult and will be 115 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.920 difficult for all of us to have a conversation to 116 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:06.480 recognize our collective humanity and that together we truly are stronger, 117 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:09.959 and that together, I think is the only way to 118 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:16.519 fulfill this nation's promise to its citizens. And in these 119 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:20.920 challenging times, I see Juneteenth as a time to reflect, 120 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:25.519 a time for community to come together, at a time 121 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.519 for joy and optimism what seems to be so lacking 122 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:30.560 in the world right now. 123 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.039 Yeah, you know, it's funny when when you talk about 124 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.200 you know, book bands and all of that. I follow 125 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.440 that stuff pretty closely. And I know that there's some 126 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:44.200 books that are being taken out of children's areas and 127 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:47.759 put into older kids areas. And I think that there's 128 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:52.039 a good conversation about what age certain children, you know, 129 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.600 what age children are going to be exposed to what 130 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:56.759 I would consider and probably would you would consider to 131 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:59.799 be adult themes. But I'm not somebody who's in favor 132 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:01.840 in any way, shape or form of book bands. And 133 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.440 I still don't know of any book bands that are 134 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.799 being that in the traditional sense that when I was younger, 135 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.639 Catcher in the Rye and books like that were were 136 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:15.519 banned in some areas, and the old phrase of banned 137 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:17.840 in Boston. I think we need to be careful on that. 138 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.080 And uh, and. 139 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:23.080 So you know, and I and I also think that 140 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:27.000 one of the things that that I think is important. 141 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.399 And I don't know if you would agree, we probably 142 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:33.840 see things a little differently in some respects, although I 143 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:38.559 think we see a lot of things similarly. It's it's 144 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:44.879 interesting that in this past election, uh, that minority voters 145 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:51.759 actually Donald Trump, for whatever criticisms people want to level 146 00:09:51.759 --> 00:10:01.120 at him, expanded the Republican votes amongst minority voters. And 147 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.200 and I think that that tends to be a good thing, 148 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.080 because I think that when we vote less as a block, 149 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:12.279 I mean, I remember, you know, dealing and hearing of 150 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:17.759 the segregationist governors of the South, Fulbright and all of 151 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:21.240 Sine Mattos and those people where Federick troops had to 152 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:26.440 be involved to allow children to go to school or 153 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.480 allow James Meredith to go to the University of Mississippi. 154 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:35.840 It's funny that the segregationists of the South were arguing 155 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.360 states rights back in those days and the ninth and 156 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.960 tenth Amendment, And as a lawyer, I'm very familiar with 157 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.679 those arguments, and some of those arguments are now being 158 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:47.679 now being used in the current day on the other 159 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:49.960 side of the aisles. So I just think we need 160 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:55.399 to be more more tolerant of everyone's viewpoints, and that's 161 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.639 what we try to do on night side, Sandra is 162 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.120 give everyone an opportunity to speak and uh and have 163 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.080 a conversation. And you I appreciate you having taken the 164 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.159 time tonight to to bring some perspective to this story 165 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.840 and the and the meaning of this day, uh and 166 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:15.879 its importance and and I very much appreciate you. I 167 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:17.600 know it's been the end of a long day for you, 168 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.039 and I guess you were you were in a flag 169 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.960 racing today. I believe in the press release that I received, 170 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.919 I was referring to it the delaway Thomas Lewis, Yeah, 171 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:32.679 so you've had a busy day. So thanks so much 172 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.399 for being with us, and we'll have you back. You 173 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:42.399 were with the the Children's Services of Roxbury give assist 174 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.440 a quick explainer of of what that does and how 175 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:48.519 people can help it if they'd like to be of 176 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:49.240 some assistance. 177 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.200 Yeah, I appreciate you you saying that. I'm the president 178 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:58.360 and CEO at Children's Services of Roxbury and we're one 179 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:02.759 of the largest black led nonprofits in the Commonwealth. We 180 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:07.679 serve six thousand children and their families a year, everything 181 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:12.360 from early education and care, foster care. We house about 182 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:16.919 a thousand families every year through our emergency shelter program, 183 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.240 and we have behavioral health services, so as you know, 184 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:27.039 so many people are struggling with mental health and we've 185 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:33.279 been providing that service for almost two decades now to 186 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.720 the youngest of our children and supporting their families. And 187 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:43.639 I think I thank you so much for your open conversations, 188 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.399 for your deep dive on a lot of topics that 189 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:51.279 others steer away from. And I really appreciate the time 190 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.080 today and I just have to shout out my staff. 191 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.519 Without them, you know, so many children and families would 192 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:02.120 not have the service is that they so desperately need. 193 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:10.960 And we really appreciate again your thoughtfulness, your energy and 194 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.960 the deep conversations that happens on this show. 195 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.360 Well, thank you so much, Sandraw, We'll have you back 196 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:18.039 and again best. I'll like thank you for the work 197 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.879 you do with Children's Services of Roxbury. Appreciate your time today. 198 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:25.879 And Happy Juneteenth, Hey, thank you so much. 199 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:27.480 Happy Juneteenth to you as well. 200 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:31.039 All right, thanks so much. We will take a quick 201 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:34.120 break here. I've enjoyed that conversation. I hope you did 202 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:36.799 as well, and we learned a little bit more about 203 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:41.159 the importance of today. And when we get back, we're 204 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:43.039 going to talk about the importance of a decision that 205 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.000 the President of the United States is about to make. 206 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:47.799 You know what I'm talking about, Iran. We'll be back 207 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:48.840 on Nightside right after this. 208 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:51.679 It's Night Side with Dan Ray. 209 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:54.960 Hey, Dan Boston's News Radio. 210 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.440 You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Basy Bustin's 211 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.399 News Radio. 212 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.240 Very quickly is we only get a couple of minutes 213 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:07.519 before the news here, and if you'd like to get 214 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:09.720 on board six seven two five four to ten thirty 215 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:14.759 six seven, nine thirty, imagine the enormity of the decision 216 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.720 that is facing Donald Trump. Uh, he ran for president. 217 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.440 There were a lot of issues that I'm sure he 218 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:27.279 could have anticipated border and all of that. But the 219 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:31.799 most I think consequential decision that he is ever going 220 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:36.919 to face in his presidency is what to do with Iran. 221 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.159 Now it is clear that he is hesitant to do 222 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:43.720 what some are asking him to do, which is to 223 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:50.519 drop what's called bunker busting bombs, thirty thousand pound weapons 224 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:57.519 to penetrate deep into the Iranian territory where their nuclear 225 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:04.159 activity nuclear operations, since nuclear reactors are basically at work 226 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:09.639 three hundred feet underground in a mountain range. Today, the 227 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:12.240 President said that he's going to wait for a couple 228 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:15.399 of weeks. I think he is. He's not looking forward 229 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:19.639 to doing this, but I think he's getting tremendous pressure 230 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:24.360 from Benjamin Ettnyah, who because Israel, Israel wants to eliminate 231 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:29.480 the nuclear threat, and the president clearly, when you listen 232 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.440 to what he said about Iran, just listen, this is 233 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:36.559 forty seconds. It gives you, I think, a pretty clear 234 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:41.679 insight into what Trump is prepared to do if necessary. 235 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:44.159 Cut three A please Noah, But. 236 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.320 Is there anybody here that said it would be okay 237 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:48.799 to have a hostile. 238 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:51.879 Very You know, he zealous, really. 239 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.679 But to have a hostile country have a nuclear weapon 240 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:59.799 that could destroy twenty five miles, but much more than 241 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.759 that can destroy other nations just by the breeze blowing 242 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.720 the dust. You know that dust blows to other nations 243 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:06.799 and they get to Essamaria. 244 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:09.360 This is just not a threat you can have. And 245 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:11.919 we've been threatened by Iran for many years. 246 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:14.320 And if you go back and look at my history, 247 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.679 if you go back fifteen years, are saying we cannot 248 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:19.399 let Iran get a nuclear Well, but I've been saying 249 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:20.399 it for a long time. 250 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:23.399 I mean it more now than I've ever mentioned. 251 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:29.279 Yeah, so that is the mindset of President Trump. But 252 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:34.360 it's a consequential decision because as many are suggesting, Okay, 253 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:39.320 you have to fly as a D two bombers from 254 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:45.399 Missouri to Iran. You have to deliver this ordinance with 255 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:50.679 incredible precision. And I think it's more than just one payload, 256 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:56.799 several payloads. I suspect that he's waiting to make sure 257 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:02.679 that the Iranian ear defense system is crippled and incapacitated, 258 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:06.160 and certainly I think Israel has done a pretty good 259 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:11.440 job of that. The choices he has are bad or worse. 260 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.960 I mean, it's a bad choice to have to blow 261 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:21.359 up the nuclear weaponry of a nation like Iran, you 262 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.599 have no idea what the implications are. As often some 263 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:27.720 people refer to it as quote, what happens the day after, 264 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:35.119 assuming you're successful, which is a big assumption. If you're unsuccessful, 265 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:40.680 then you get a real problem. But I think he's 266 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.559 taking two weeks to buy some time to think about it. 267 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:47.519 I think that at the end of the day, if 268 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:55.119 Iran does not wave the white flag and capitulate, it 269 00:17:55.160 --> 00:18:01.480 will happen, and it is the most consequential decision that 270 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.880 a president will be able to make. Harry Truman had 271 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:07.640 to make the decision in terms of dropping nuclear weapons 272 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:13.559 on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in nineteen forty five. Very controversial 273 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.839 decisions even at the time, but in retrospect, I think 274 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:20.079 Truman is remembered as a great president as a result 275 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:24.319 of dealing with those very difficult decisions. So i'm whether 276 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:28.440 you're a Trump supporter or a Trump critic, you have 277 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.279 to have a little sympathy for the decision that he faces. 278 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:34.480 And I'm going to open up the phone lines during 279 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.839 the newscast here and we'll be back in about three 280 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:39.839 or four minutes with your phone call six one, seven, two, five, 281 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.680 four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. 282 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:46.480 What are the implications should he do it or should 283 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.960 he not do it? And if he does it, how 284 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.960 do we control whatever the reaction might be. If he 285 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:57.319 chooses not to do it, what are the implications of 286 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:02.119 that decision? A decision to act or not to act 287 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:07.440 are equally significant. And I think he's buying time and 288 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:15.160 hoping that the mullas the theocracy of Iran, will come 289 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:19.119 to their senses and realize that that game is up 290 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:23.039 and they indeed cannot cannot have a nuclear weapon because 291 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:25.400 if they have a nuclear weapon and a delivery system, 292 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:29.359 goodbye to Israel, goodbye to other nations in the Middle 293 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:34.680 East who also are considered by Iran to be enemies, 294 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:40.440 and maybe goodbye to the United States. This is a 295 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:44.519 big time decision. I would not like to have to 296 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:47.960 make that decision, but he campaign for it. It's on 297 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:50.559 his plate. We'll be back after the news at the 298 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.119 bottom of the hour. My name is Dan Ray. This 299 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.319 is Nightside. Your comments very much appreciated. 300 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:01.640 Night Side with Dan Ray unveil you bes Boston's news radio. 301 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.599 You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WAZ Boston's 302 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:07.240 news Radio. 303 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:13.920 So we are talking about the decision that faces President 304 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:19.599 Donald Trump. And each president has these moments during their 305 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.480 presidency which defined the presidency. I think this is one 306 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.160 of them. Let me go to my friend Rashid in Dorchester. Hey, Rashid, welcome, 307 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:28.920 Thanks for holding on through the news. You are next 308 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:35.079 on Nightside. Oh I missed the button, Rashid, my mistake. 309 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:37.880 Why is this not working for me? Where are we 310 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:39.720 going here? Rashid? Are you there? 311 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:42.039 Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me? 312 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:44.680 I can hear you now? Yeah, but I'm not sure 313 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:45.839 what's going on? Go right ahead? 314 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:51.359 Okay. So President Trump ran on a campaign of no 315 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:55.599 more foreign wars. Correct, And the issue with the Iran 316 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:58.279 War that a lot of people understand is the Iran 317 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:02.279 war would not only destroy our economy, but we're going 318 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:05.079 to lose a lot of our service members in that war. 319 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:09.319 Iran is a very formidable nation. They have a very 320 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:13.079 formidable army, and I think that if people haven't been 321 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:16.359 paying attention, we went to war against the Taliban and 322 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:22.640 al Qaida, and they had insignificant resources and we lost 323 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.799 to them. So you know, it's it's the American people 324 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:28.960 don't have a tasteful war. People who are in my 325 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:32.039 age group, I'll be thirty on the thirtieth of this month, 326 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:33.599 we don't We've been at war. 327 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:34.039 In our lives. 328 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:36.319 We don't want it. But I think the other issue 329 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:39.440 is that, you know, some people say, Okay, we're going 330 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:43.440 to just bomb for go with bunker busting bombs. And 331 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.079 what people don't realize is that the Iranians have the 332 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:50.240 capabilities to build nuclear weapons, whether they will build it 333 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:54.000 at Ford or somewhere else, they have the expertise, they 334 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:57.000 know how to do it. And what people don't realize 335 00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:59.240 is the minute that the United States gets involved, were 336 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.880 Iran ballistic missiles are going to kill a lot of 337 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.440 our service members in Middle Eastern bases. It's just not 338 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:09.079 a good situation. And I think that, you know, I 339 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:14.240 was a supporter of Steve Whitkoff and President Trump's efforts 340 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:17.960 to to try diplomacy. I think I read something recently 341 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:21.039 that the Iranian FloraNT Minister is in contact with Steve Woodcoff. 342 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:24.480 But diplomacy works. I think that the best thing that 343 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:28.079 we could do is have a deal where Iran does 344 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:30.920 not develop a new nuclear weapon, and perhaps we have 345 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:35.160 economic relationships with them that they would rely on, so 346 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:37.200 it would just say, Okay, we're not going to fund 347 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.599 the proxies, We're not going to go to war with Israel. 348 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:44.960 We're gonna relax because now we're integrated back into the 349 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.240 global system. So that's just my point. 350 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:50.680 So my question to you is do you trust do 351 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:53.039 you trust the theocuacy in to run? 352 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:59.519 I don't trust anybody. I think that I as an 353 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:03.160 American and we should only trust ourselves. But again, I 354 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:05.000 think President Trump is going to end up going to 355 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.799 war if Iran, and it's going to have devastating consequences, 356 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:13.039 and it's quite unfortunate that, you know, we couldn't have peace. 357 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:16.160 Like I'm a person that you know, I would love 358 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:20.319 to see our military active in Mexico where they're sending 359 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:24.440 in fetanol that's killing hundreds of thousands of Americans. You know, 360 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:27.160 I would like to see our military participate in things 361 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:30.839 that kind of, in my opinion, directly benefit our country more. 362 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:34.640 But you know, I think that unfortunately, with the pressures 363 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:36.839 that he has, he's gonna have to do it, and 364 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:39.599 it's just gonna have devastating results. I mean, they make 365 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:44.839 drones in Iran for twenty thousand dollars, and we spent 366 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.920 like four million dollars to create things to shoot those 367 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.039 drones down. Like anybody could do the math. It's gonna 368 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:52.160 economically ruin US. 369 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:55.680 You know, it's interesting Raside, because you have been a 370 00:23:55.720 --> 00:24:01.200 strong Donald Trump supporters. It's interesting that so that that 371 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.640 you've arrived at that conclusion. And I think, I thank 372 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:09.279 you for the call. That's a really interesting perspective. Thank you, Dan, 373 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:14.000 Thanks talk soon, Rashid. I have a great one six, one, seven, two, five, 374 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:16.400 four to ten thirty. One line there and two lines. 375 00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:18.160 This is a tip if you want to get in 376 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:21.039 six one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. Will is 377 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:23.960 down in Long Island will love to know what you're 378 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.279 thinking about this. How are you will? 379 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.400 Oh? Then it puts a knot in my stomach. But 380 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:30.759 the bottom line is this is something that should have 381 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:35.680 been dealt with a long time ago. This is a 382 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.400 mistake that we made going back all the way to 383 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:42.799 the nineteen fifties, and it has been a disaster ever since, 384 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:45.960 not just for the United States, but for friends in 385 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:49.000 the Middle East, for countries that aren't even friends in 386 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:53.400 the Middle East, for Iranians probably most of all. Right, 387 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:57.440 I mean, the nineteen fifty three coup that we supported 388 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:02.519 has destroyed Iran, and the young people of Iran don't 389 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.200 want it. And you know, you ask, do you trust 390 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:08.759 the regime in Iran? If the Iranians don't trust the 391 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:12.240 regime in Iran, I certainly don't trust the regime in Iran. Right. 392 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:15.720 I'm not a proponent of war. I'm certainly not a 393 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:21.119 proponent of backing this militia and this group of rebels 394 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.960 and then you know, ten twenty years later, they're shooting 395 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.039 your bullets back at you. We've seen that happen multiple 396 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.400 times in that region. I agree with Rashid that we 397 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:33.799 should be a military action on our borders against the 398 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.079 cartels in Mexico. Of Mexico can't handle it. It's national 399 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:40.519 security issue for the United States. But this is something 400 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.759 that this is We talked about this before. We talked 401 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.319