1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,679 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,000 your support. All righty, So, a couple of things have 10 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:35,359 occurred over the last twenty four hours with regard to 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:45,439 our vaunted light rail system. First off, the man charged 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:52,320 with murdering Arena Zarutska, the Ukrainian refugee, on the Cat's 13 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:56,880 Blue Line light rail back in August. He made his 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,640 first court appearance today. His name is de Carlos Brown Junior, 15 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,319 and according to the Charlotte Observer story published a little 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,040 while ago, he appeared for the first time since his 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,799 August arrest. His initial appearance this morning came more than 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:23,560 three months after his arrest. During the last three months 19 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,079 or so, his capacity to proceed has remained in question, 20 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,879 as attorneys waited for an evaluation by a forensic psychologist. 21 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,000 When US marshals brought Brown into the US District Court 22 00:01:37,079 --> 00:01:39,920 for the Western District of North Carolina, this is federal, 23 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,840 this is a federal proceeding. He looked around the court room, 24 00:01:43,879 --> 00:01:47,079 holding mostly lawyers and reporters. This happened at about eleven 25 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,959 am today. Typically, a judge will hold a detention hearing 26 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:56,400 after reading aloud the charges that the defendant is facing. 27 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,159 But since Brown is already being held on no bond 28 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:04,480 in the Mecklenburg County Detention Center, his attorney, Joshua Kendrick, 29 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:10,000 waived the detention hearing and consented to keep Brown in custody. 30 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:17,719 So he's not going anywhere, which that's good news considering 31 00:02:18,159 --> 00:02:22,199 that De Carlos Brown Junior has a very lengthy criminal record. 32 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:30,759 He is, according to his family, suffering from schizophrenia, has 33 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,199 had violent outbursts and such, and honestly, there's not a 34 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:38,479 lot of confidence that I have in our local court 35 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,439 system to keep him off the streets. He's got a 36 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:45,680 criminal history dating back to two thousand and seven. WBTV 37 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,800 reports Back then, he was charged with three misdemeanors. His 38 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,680 charges ranged from simple assault to disorderly conduct to resisting 39 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,719 a public officer. All of those cases were dismissed. This 40 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,000 as part of the problem. This is why I call 41 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:05,280 it a catch and release turnstile court system that we've 42 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:07,599 got operating in Mecklenburg County. And by the way, this 43 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:10,800 is not new. When I was a reporter in the 44 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:16,520 early two thousands, this was the same story. There were 45 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,039 people that were released over and over and over and 46 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,280 over again. This is what's so frustrating about it is 47 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:29,039 that there is a small percentage of the population. They're 48 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,400 sort of repeat frequent flyers, you know, they keep getting arrested. 49 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:38,919 A small percentage of the people commit a disproportionate amount 50 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,159 of the crime. And when you just run people through, 51 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,719 and we've heard stories from local police officers who talk 52 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:51,159 about it takes longer for them to fill out the 53 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:55,280 paperwork after an arrest than it does for the defendant 54 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:59,759 to be released back out. They bring the person in 55 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,319 filling out the paperwork, and before you know it, and 56 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,199 before they can finish the paperwork, the guy's being released, 57 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,159 which then, of course sends the message that there are 58 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:14,120 no repercussions for the types of law violations that you're 59 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,720 engaged in, which then, of course means that oh, I 60 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:22,519 can keep doing this. There's no punishment or very little punishment. 61 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:25,360 And then if you get all of your charges dropped, 62 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,800 then there is no punishment. You've just been sort of 63 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,879 inconvenienced for a while, right, You've been taken off the street, 64 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,120 run through processing, then released, and then you got to 65 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,160 wait a while, do a couple of court appearances, and 66 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:41,560 then you get your charges dropped. What's the big deal? 67 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:50,279 And that's a problem. So last week we had a 68 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:52,920 bunch of our local officials in the court system as 69 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,000 well as our sheriff, and I refer to him as 70 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:59,560 Sheriff Gary. Not my fault, McFadden, because nothing is ever 71 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,519 his fault. He'll tell you, like all of the problems 72 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,920 you got, jailed, deaths and stuff, and it's not his fault. 73 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,920 None of this is his fault. Nothing is ever his fault. 74 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,399 When you know he was caught on tape using racial slurs, 75 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,600 not his fault, not his fault. He just became, as 76 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:23,839 he said, flustrated with his command staff, employees. They made 77 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:26,800 him use these racial slurs because they weren't doing what 78 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:33,160 he said to do. Not his fault. But with the 79 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,319 after the murder of Arena Zarutzska. The state legislature passed 80 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:44,800 reforms for bonds, saying no more you know, cashless bail 81 00:05:44,879 --> 00:05:48,480 if you will, or what we called it in North 82 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,800 Carolina is released on your own personal recognizance, basically a 83 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,680 promise to appear in court and you don't have to 84 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,240 put up any money. No, no family member has to 85 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,600 put up any money. So if you gip the court appearance, 86 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,759 nobody is held responsible for that. And that's probably why, 87 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,600 as McFadden said the other day during his news conference, 88 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:12,519 that they've got a repository of warrants that includes hundreds 89 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,920 of outstanding warrants. I'm assuming for people that never showed up. See, 90 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:20,600 a way that you make people show up is you 91 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:26,000 make them responsible or they're family members responsible through bail. 92 00:06:27,639 --> 00:06:31,160 But this was part of the quote reforms that we're 93 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:35,839 enacted over the last decade less than a decade to 94 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:40,959 have a sort of kinder, gentler court system. And McFadden 95 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:44,879 is arguing, hey, we have all of these new requirements. 96 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,800 That's going to you know, people are now going to 97 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,920 be held in the local jail for longer, and I 98 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,399 don't have the capacity because of course they're not building 99 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:53,839 any new jail in Mecklenburg County. That was their decision. 100 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,759 They scrapped the plan to build an annex to the 101 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,879 jail about a decade ago. They scraped that plan. They 102 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:04,360 closed down Jail North, that facility, they shut that down. 103 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Those were their choices they did that. But if you've 104 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:14,639 got repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat offenders, right, the logic 105 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,360 would indicate that if you keep them behind bars, they're 106 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:24,000 not repeating over and over and over again. So actually 107 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:26,040 you're not going to have to worry about doing the 108 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:29,120 intake processing for these people over and over and over 109 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:35,160 again because they're still in the jail. Right. So back 110 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:40,639 to the WBTV story on de Carlos Brown Junior. His 111 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:44,240 charges ranged from simple assault to disorderly conduct to resisting 112 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:48,160 a public officer. All of those cases were dismissed. That 113 00:07:48,279 --> 00:07:52,360 was going back to seven in a four year span 114 00:07:52,439 --> 00:07:56,720 from twenty eleven to twenty thirteen, or sorry, a two 115 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:01,079 year span. Brown was charged with more misdemeanors because he 116 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,120 failed to show up for court. In twenty eleven, he 117 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,839 was issued a criminal summons for communicating threats, but he 118 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,439 was not arrested, according to court records. In twenty fourteen, 119 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,759 he was convicted of felony breaking and entering. He was 120 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:18,680 assigned to thirty days in jail twenty four month supervised 121 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:23,319 probation with the Sheriff's office. But then he assaulted a 122 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:26,800 man and stole a Samsung Galaxy phone and about seven 123 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,360 hundred and fifty dollars using a handgun, although those items 124 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,000 were found in his apartment. He was charged with possession 125 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:38,440 of a dangerous weapon firearm by a felon. He was 126 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,559 convicted and he served just over five years in the 127 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,919 state prison. He was released in twenty twenty put on 128 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,559 parole for a year, and then in twenty twenty five 129 00:08:49,799 --> 00:08:53,960 this year, in January, he was charged with misusing the 130 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,120 nine to one to one system. And this is the 131 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,759 video that came out with his interaction with CMPDS officers 132 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:02,919 that showed up after he called nine to one one 133 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,039 and he says that that there was like a man 134 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,120 made material had been placed in his inside his body 135 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:14,960 and was controlling his movements, so definitely mentally ill, right, 136 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,799 and police said that that's a medical thing, that's not 137 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:21,759 a law enforcement thing. So then he tries to call 138 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,080 nine one one again as the cops are standing there, 139 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,799 and that's when he got the charge for misuse of 140 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:30,159 the nine one one system. Fast forward to August is 141 00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:33,919 when he's on the train and completely unprovoked, he stands 142 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,080 up and stabs Arena Zarutzka from behind internet, killing her 143 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,639 within seconds. He is then apprehended and taken into custody. 144 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:46,519 That prompted House built three oh seven, known as Arena's Law. 145 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,320 The governor signed it into law and makes it harder 146 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,480 for people who have been charged with violent offenses or 147 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:54,200 those with extensive criminal histories to be released on a 148 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:00,440 promise to appear. And that takes us to these second 149 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:04,639 stabbing on the light rail line. This occurred almost a 150 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,879 week ago on Friday, and again. 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Ritchie is going to take the credit because 179 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:53,440 of his greatness. That's yeah, he probably will let me 180 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,519 go over to the phones here and chat with Richard. 181 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,399 Hello Richard, welcome to the program. 182 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: Hey Pete, how are you? Well? 183 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: What's going on? 184 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,799 Speaker 2: You know what you lived in New York? Well, the places. 185 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,360 It's no coincidence to me that what's happening with this 186 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,679 letting people gold, criminals, illegals, not holding them for ice. 187 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: There's a pattern here that this is a democratic run. 188 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:27,360 Cities are doing this purposely and are okay with the 189 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:29,000 collateral damage. 190 00:12:29,639 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it's I mean, we just have to follow 191 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,799 the bouncing ball here, and people have this is an 192 00:12:36,879 --> 00:12:44,039 ideological battle that they don't care about women being raped 193 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,799 coming into the country over the border. Let the border 194 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:52,559 wide open, illegals who are in custody, don't hold them 195 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,600 for ice, let them out, crazy people, criminals, et cetera, 196 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:04,480 et cetera. So, whether it's Charlotte Mecklenberg, Chicago, New York, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, 197 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,159 there's a pattern here that I think we really have 198 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,320 to say, well, what is their game here? What is 199 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:15,440 what is the objective that they're trying to do? And 200 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,080 it comes to my mind I say, well. 201 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: Who is Well, who is the they that you're talking about? 202 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:26,399 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the I don't know progressive socialist Marxists. 203 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:28,200 I don't know Democrats. 204 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: They're the ones that. 205 00:13:29,799 --> 00:13:32,159 Speaker 2: Are in power where these things are happening. 206 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: So so well, okay, right, so the people, So you're 207 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,440 talking about the people in power because I think, you know, 208 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,600 it's difficult. Look, I understand the truth is general, right, 209 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,080 So that's why people, you know, make generalizations. I understand that. Yeah, 210 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:49,240 but they're you know, but everybody is different. People are 211 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:51,840 motivated by different things, and so it's important, I think, 212 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:57,720 to differentiate voters from the elected officials because because there 213 00:13:57,759 --> 00:14:00,039 are different motivations. And you talk to a lot of 214 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,960 the Democrat voters and they want, you know, they want 215 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,039 their streets cleaned up, you know, they want to be 216 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,039 safe in their neighborhoods. I think though, that they are 217 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:17,000 sold a prescription that doesn't actually treat the problem, but 218 00:14:17,039 --> 00:14:19,919 they believe it does. And as far as like an 219 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:25,240 undergirding philosophy, I've talked about this for quite a while now, 220 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,919 this idea of suicidal empathy, right, where if you elevate 221 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:36,039 empathy as the highest order trait or characteristic of a society, 222 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,679 that that's the thing we value the most, is empathy 223 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,840 to the point where you are willing to lay down 224 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:47,399 your life or your society's life in order to attain 225 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:51,759 and to be seen as hitting that mark of empathy. 226 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,639 And I think that is part of what motivates people 227 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:59,159 who are otherwise good hearted. They just think that this 228 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,799 is the way that they can express their empathy in 229 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,759 the best way, which is how you end up with 230 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,639 the mayor saying something like after the Zarutzka murder, something 231 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:10,960 on the order of, you know, how did we fail 232 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,440 this this attacker? Well, that's suicidal empathy, right, because you're 233 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,000 elevating the criminal and how they feel and where did 234 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:22,320 we go wrong with that person? And somehow or another 235 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,320 it's our fault, it's society's fault. We failed him somehow. 236 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Rather than saying no, no, no, that person did this thing. 237 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:33,840 That person is wrong. You should not feel empathy for 238 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:37,960 them simply because they committed a crime. That's suicidal empathy. 239 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,720 And I think that's part of what's going on. There's 240 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:44,600 also there's also a there's a nihilism at play. There's 241 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,960 a postmodernist view that has infected a lot of the 242 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,039 progressive left. And I use the term leftist for this reason. 243 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:57,759 I don't mean liberal I mean leftists postmodernism, where it's just, hey, 244 00:15:57,799 --> 00:15:59,639 you know what we're gonna We're gonna tear down these 245 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:06,399 instantitutions in order to perfect them. Somehow. It's a Hegelian philosophy, 246 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:10,440 and that means essentially it ends up worshiping the state, 247 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:13,360 elevating the state. And that's how Yeah, that's how you 248 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,480 end up with all of these things downstream of Hegelian philosophy. 249 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,720 Very good piece, Richard, Hi, buddy, I appreciate, yeah, appreciate 250 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:22,200 the call. And I think and that is the connection. 251 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,799 There's also a point here about packing, you know, hundreds 252 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:29,600 of thousands of people into a very small area like 253 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,120 a city. It changes people, it does you put you 254 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,600 put a lot of people into a city, and a 255 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,519 lot of them forget about God, put them out in 256 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:41,480 the middle of nowhere. You know. It's sort of like 257 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,320 the atheist in the foxhole kind of a thing. I 258 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,080 think that is part of it as well. 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I touched on 289 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,880 this yesterday on the program. I went, actually I went 290 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,480 in depth on this. I'm not going to spend a 291 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,119 lot of time connecting all of these dots. But you've 292 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,920 got the immigration issue, right, the sort of a radical 293 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,519 open border approach to immigration that we saw during the 294 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:54,839 Biden administration. And by the way, you know, now the 295 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:55,640 truth can be told. 296 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: The New York Times just did like a four thousand 297 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,680 word report on what people like me were pointing out 298 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:09,119 for four years that the policy implications, the repercussions of 299 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,279 what they were doing was acting as a magnet. And 300 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,519 people inside the administration, now it can be told, were 301 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:20,359 telling Biden that this is what would happen, and then 302 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,079 they were saying, they were saying, this is what is happening. 303 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,759 So they were fully aware of what they were doing before, 304 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:30,440 they did it, as they were doing it, and now after. 305 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:35,680 So what we don't know is why I've got the 306 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,119 New York Times story. I will get to it. Well, 307 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,759 I intend to get to it. Okay, no promises here 308 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:44,680 because I tend to go off on tangents and then 309 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:50,720 I run out of time. I'm sorry. What other issues 310 00:19:50,759 --> 00:19:54,559 are at play in the stabbings? You've got the quote 311 00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:58,519 unquote reforms that we saw in the criminal justice system 312 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:04,759 that really ramped up and gained momentum after the summer 313 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:12,200 of fiery but mostly peaceful riots post George Floyd. We 314 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:16,880 also have local budgeting priorities where Mecklemberg County has not 315 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,920 prioritized public safety spending for the jails, for the sheriff's office, 316 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,680 instead funding to greater levels parks and rec for example. Right, 317 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:34,480 So they're funding priorities. And you also have nullification efforts. 318 00:20:35,079 --> 00:20:38,519 What do I mean by that? When local officials do 319 00:20:38,599 --> 00:20:44,319 not agree with state or federal law but they cannot 320 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,240 do anything about it. They can't change the law, so 321 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,599 they try to nullify it in some other way. And 322 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,240 that's what we have seen with the immigration issue. States 323 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,000 particularly have attempted, but also cities, bigger cities have attempt 324 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,039 to nullify federal immigration law. And they do this in 325 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:08,200 all sorts of ways. And we see these ways being 326 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:12,559 used in Mecklemburg County. Our current sheriff, Gary not my fault. 327 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,920 McFadden ran in twenty eighteen on a platform of cutting 328 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,440 ties with ice and the two eighty seven G program. 329 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:26,359 That was his explicit campaign promise. When he won, they 330 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,160 had a big celebration and they had a cake and 331 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,359 the cake had a big red circle with a red 332 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,480 line through the letters to and numbers two eighty seven G. 333 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,160 And he takes the knife and to great fanfare and photos, 334 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:47,519 he cuts the cake right through the center of the 335 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:53,119 two eighty seven G label. The message is unmistakable, right, 336 00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:59,839 there's no like, I'm not taking an unfair, uncharitable reading 337 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,559 of his position. This was explicit, So this was an 338 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:06,119 attempt to nullify. They're like, we're not going to cooperate 339 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,759 with immigration in the jail. So somebody gets arrested for something, 340 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,640 they get brought into the jail. We're not going to 341 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,240 check through the ICE database anymore who this person is 342 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,960 and whether they've got a rap sheet that has been 343 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,319 identified by immigration authorities. They didn't want to know who 344 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,279 was in the jail, and then they wouldn't tell ICE 345 00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:26,880 before they released them out into the public, which is 346 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,720 how you ended up how we ended up with hundreds 347 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,160 of people in Mecklenburg County with criminal records here illegally 348 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:41,440 not being held for ICE despite ICE's requests. You also 349 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:47,359 have a nullification effort at the direction of the policy 350 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:53,079 makers locally that they tell their law enforcement officers you 351 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:59,480 do not question someone's citizenship as part of that initial interaction, 352 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,720 you know, like a cop pulse me over and I'm 353 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,000 from another country here illegally. The cop doesn't ask me that. 354 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,200 The cop doesn't do any kind of examination or exploration 355 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:13,960 as to whether I'm in the country illegally. And if 356 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,960 he does happen to find out that I'm here illegally, 357 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,039 that's not a reason to take me in either. 358 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:18,559 Speaker 2: Right. 359 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: Those are decisions that were made by local policy makers 360 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,559 to direct law enforcement to take a hands off see 361 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:31,880 no evil, hear no evil kind of approach, a willful blindness. Right, 362 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:37,640 And this was touted, this was celebrated, This was used 363 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,400 as a way to get certified as a quote welcoming city. 364 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,880 Charlotte is certified welcoming city. And that's one of the 365 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,599 things that you have to do. And so that's what 366 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,319 Charlotte did. So that means when you have an interaction 367 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,279 with a fellow like Oscar Solarzano thirty three years old, 368 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:04,079 twice deported, charged and convicted of illegal re entry, but 369 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,119 then came back a third time. Don't know when, don't 370 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,079 know where he crossed in, how he got in, but 371 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:15,480 he got in again. But he had interactions with local 372 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:22,279 security or law enforcement, and they never checked his status. See, 373 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,559 had they checked his status, they would have found out, 374 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,519 oh he's an illegal alien and oh he's already been 375 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:34,240 deported twice, but they never took him in. That left 376 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:37,720 him free to roam around, free to live on the 377 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,960 streets of Charlotte. He listed his address as a roof 378 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:47,160 above a local homeless center, a low barrier or no 379 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:54,640 barrier homeless center, which allows people like this guy who 380 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,799 is you know, getting drunk, accosting people on the trains, 381 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:05,119 carrying around a large fixed blade knife that allows him 382 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,720 to gain access to the services and then continue, you know, 383 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:15,319 walking around Center City riding the train. That's another issue 384 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:19,039 that is sort of at this nexus point here of 385 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:24,319 this story. The guy was banned from the trains. He 386 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,240 was not allowed to be on cats, but there's no 387 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,880 enforcement mechanism because we have an open system, we also 388 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,480 don't have a lot of security. All right, if you're 389 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:37,279 listening to this show, you know I try to keep 390 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,079 up with all sorts of current events, and I know 391 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,519 you do too, And you've probably heard me say get 392 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,519 your news from multiple sources. Why well, because it's how 393 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:48,160 you detect media bias, which is why I've been so 394 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,880 impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a 395 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,720 website and it combines news from around the world in 396 00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:58,079 one place, so you can compare coverage and verify information. 397 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,000 You can check it out at check ground dot news 398 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,640 slash pete. 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Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, 408 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,240 but it also supports Ground News as they make the 409 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,799 media landscape more transparent. All right, let me jump over 410 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:43,839 and get some calls in. This is Mark. Hello, Mark, 411 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,720 Welcome to the show. 412 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: Hey Pete. 413 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 5: Hey, First off, I love your show, Thanks sir. I 414 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,960 listen NonStop, and I just want to say the congratulations 415 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,359 to the whole entire like radio team for switching over 416 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,880 to FM. That's incredible. 417 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. 418 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:02,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't wait, but I just want to say 419 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,240 so I lived in Charlotte ever since I was a child. 420 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 6: I was born and raised. 421 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 5: I'm twenty six now, and I have seen the homeless 422 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,680 population here in Charlotte grow immensely and it's and it's sad, 423 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,880 and it's troubling, and I just I'm just confused as 424 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,680 to like you were saying earlier, this gentleman who went 425 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:34,200 on the the tram and had had a knife was drunk. 426 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,880 And I mean these individuals, Pete, like I mean, they 427 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,400 they have nothing to live for really, like honestly, like 428 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:44,559 people who are homeless like that they don't care. 429 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of out there. Yeah, they're they've become hopeless, 430 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,799 they're you know, they're addicted, they're suffering from mental illness 431 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,000 of some kind. Yeah, it's not a human like the 432 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,880 way that we you know, quote unquote treat homelessnes. It's 433 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,279 not This is not a humane way to do it. 434 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,079 Michael Schellenberger wrote a whole book about it called San Francisco, 435 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,920 and it's just depressing because you have an entire part 436 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,079 of the problem is you have an entire cottage industry 437 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,200 that has been erected around this issue, that is funded 438 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:24,640 by taxpayer dollars. And so these organizations they have an incentive, 439 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,640 an existential incentive right to continue to have a homeless population. 440 00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 5: Well you know, and that's that's the troubling thing because 441 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,200 you know, way a long time ago, like I know, 442 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,000 they had like sanitariums and everything like that, but people 443 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:45,359 were using that money for ill gotten games. A lot 444 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:47,319 of these like doctors, you know. 445 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's going to be corruption in any 446 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,359 kind of a man made. 447 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,079 Speaker 6: Structure, and it's and it sucks. 448 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 5: And I didn't mean to like when I say they 449 00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,480 they're they're hopeless or anything like that, that's not that's 450 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,160 not true at all. You know, like there's people out 451 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,000 there who are suffering from addiction and who need the help. 452 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:05,200 But I mean, like, what do what do we do 453 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:05,720 about this? 454 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: You know, like what do we Well? 455 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,759 Speaker 1: Well, I think the key is what do we do 456 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,359 to help them? If they want the help? So like, 457 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,759 if they want to break free of the addiction. And 458 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:20,279 therein lies the problem is that there are a lot 459 00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:24,640 of people that they don't they don't care to. I've 460 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,759 got a family member he does a lot of work 461 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,720 in this space, and and there are a lot of 462 00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:32,799 people that you know, you give them every opportunity and 463 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,680 you try to help them as best you can, and 464 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,680 they and they will just take from you and then 465 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,720 go about and continue the life that they prefer. And 466 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:43,240 that's their choice to do. 467 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 5: You know, well, I guess, well what do we do 468 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:51,200 with the uh? I mean with the with the underlying 469 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,359 problem of the individuals who don't want to try? 470 00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:54,279 Speaker 2: Yeah? 471 00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:56,359 Speaker 1: Well, I mean if they're a threat, I mean, if 472 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,960 they are a threat to themselves or the public, then 473 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,720 I mean I think, like I think we have to 474 00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:07,599 have the quote the conversation a national conversation about reopening 475 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,720 and institutionalizing people who are a threat to this is 476 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:17,200 to the society and themselves or themselves. I think that 477 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,640 has to be part of the conversation. 478 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 5: Clean man, that's all it is. 479 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: People need to get clean. I mean they need to. 480 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 5: Like I work in the restaurant industry, I actually work 481 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,000 for Noble Food and Pursuits, and you know, they have 482 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,240 a whole program set up for people to get them 483 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,799 off the streets. Yeah, but I think you know that's 484 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,599 I mean, it's at the end of the day, it's 485 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:39,599 just a person who has to choose to get better. 486 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:41,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have to want to turn their 487 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:43,960 life around. Yeah, Mark, I appreciate the call, Buddy, good 488 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,839 to hear from you. Let me go over and get 489 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,480 John on real quick. Hey, John, welcome to the show. 490 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,839 Speaker 6: Hey, thank you for taking my call. Sure, that was 491 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,960 really interesting hearing that about the you know, homeless. But 492 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:58,759 I want to mention something. My wife and I we 493 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,119 ride the rail all the time. I'm even in Charlotte. 494 00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:02,880 We'll get it south Charlotte, so I don't have to 495 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,480 park up town when there's you know, a football game, 496 00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,480 this game, concert or something that's when we use it. 497 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,839 And I always thought, my god, you know everybody on 498 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,480 here don't even pay. Probably, And we've ridden rail all 499 00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:20,160 through Europe, England, everywhere in the States, and I have 500 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,519 every single place that I can think of has gates. 501 00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,039 You have to buy your ticket before you can go 502 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,480 out there. Know where the machines are, for example, it's 503 00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:34,279 off both of our parking lot. Why can't they You 504 00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:36,160 buy your ticket, I can do, and you got to 505 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,160 punch it go through a gate before you can go 506 00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:41,880 out there. I think everybody should have to pay, and 507 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,039 that might control some of these hate saying the dead 508 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,839 beats just hanging on the trains all day long. 509 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,359 Speaker 1: Well yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely. Fair jumping is a major problem. 510 00:31:53,039 --> 00:32:00,680 And our system was not designed with turnstiles and control access. 511 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:05,279 That was a design choice, right that was made, I 512 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,440 would assume to save money, right, so you don't have 513 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,279 to construct the barriers, you don't have to build any 514 00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:14,640 buildings and that sort of thing, And so they rely 515 00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:18,960 on essentially the honor system, and they know you don't 516 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,079 have people coming around checking your tickets. I've talked about 517 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,039 riding the Long Island railroad and somebody comes through those 518 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:28,079 cars and they check your tickets. You know, that's how 519 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,839 they police it. But we don't do that in our system. 520 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 6: And yeah, this surprised me that they decided to set 521 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,119 it up this way. If they ever did, they'd probably 522 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,279 have to reduce the amount of stops going towards town 523 00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,200 because they can get on so easy on and off there. 524 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,920 There had to be some places where you can only 525 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,920 get on where there was barriers were set up right, 526 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,079 and then go on. But yeah, I appreciate you taking 527 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,240 my call. I just wanted to mention that I think 528 00:32:56,359 --> 00:33:00,119 that's not the only solution I can see here. I 529 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:03,519 don't think an honor system is ever ever going to 530 00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:04,079 work here. 531 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: So no, I agree, John, I appreciate the call. It is. 532 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,759 And by the way, CATS officials are aware of that 533 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,319 very that very solution. They know this. They talked a 534 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:16,920 little bit about it when they appeared at the city 535 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,720 council right after the murder of Arena Zarutska, and they 536 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,599 talked about how other systems have problems with fair jumping 537 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,039 as well. Sure, but when you have an open, uncontrolled 538 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:32,039 access system like Charlotte has, you're basically incentivizing free rides, 539 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:34,759 and when you do that, you get people that can't 540 00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,720 afford to ride the train to then ride the train 541 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,880 and ride it a lot. All right, that'll do it 542 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,559 for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I 543 00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:46,720 could not do the show without your support and the 544 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,799 support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so 545 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:51,960 if you'd like, please support them too and tell them 546 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,920 you heard it here. You can also become a patron 547 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,240 at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, 548 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,720 thank you so much for listening, and that don't break 549 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,640 anything while I'm gone. 550 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,079 Speaker 5: Hmm.