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All right, let's go 23 00:01:56,879 --> 00:02:00,519 around the horn, John Slaughter, how you doing doing great? 24 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: Pete? 25 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: Glad to be back on this wonderful Friday night. 26 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,159 Speaker 1: All right, Paul Fahrenheit, how are you doing very well? 27 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: Mister Pete. Thank you for having me back. 28 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: You know somebody is going to mention the Spain series, right. 29 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:21,199 Speaker 2: Look, I actually I gotta sit down. We got to 30 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:24,199 like recompletely delete that and restart from episode one because 31 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,520 I actually just looked at the two volume history that 32 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,759 I intended on making that series about, and I'm like, oh, 33 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,840 I have to I have to actually read this before 34 00:02:33,879 --> 00:02:35,879 we can do Spain justice. 35 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: So I'm glad I love you like a brother because 36 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,840 that's the most spurgy thing I've ever heard. Lee Enfield, 37 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:45,120 there you. 38 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:49,439 Speaker 4: Doingly, Hey, what's up? Pet Thanks for having me all right? 39 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: I invited you, gentlemen, I had. I got contacted by 40 00:02:53,439 --> 00:03:00,759 somebody who was currently active duty and requested aide on 41 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,520 I guess what the military looks like now under Trump 42 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:15,120 and whether recommending that our guys join, whether that would 43 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,719 be a good thing or not. So two guys who 44 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,120 are were in and retired, one who's in active reserves 45 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,120 and three guys who I think will have not completely 46 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,080 different opinions, but they'll be varying opinions here. So I'm 47 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,960 just going to start around the horn. And well, let's 48 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,479 start with this. What do you what does everybody have 49 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,360 to say about the state of the military today? And slaughter, 50 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:45,280 why don't you jump off? 51 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete, I mean as far as the state of 52 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:54,280 the military currently, I don't. I mean, obviously, I've been 53 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:59,520 out for all going on almost like what fourteen years now, 54 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,560 so from what I can see, it doesn't it appears 55 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:06,159 to be in a better state than it was previously 56 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,080 under Biden. It was under good It wasn't in a 57 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,560 great place under Obama, which was most of my time in. 58 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:16,079 And I think that even though it's on an upswing, 59 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,240 I don't see it as being a huge difference. I mean, 60 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,040 it takes a long time, and everybody here knows. You know, 61 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,560 Obama purged the Officer Corps of the good officers, and 62 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:31,240 I watched it when I was in. I always remind 63 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,920 everybody that it was the first time a non infantry 64 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,160 officer was made common out of the Marine Corps in 65 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:39,360 the history of the Marine Corps. It was under under Obama, 66 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:44,199 and that's a that's a lot of a lot of 67 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,920 negative consequences of his are going to take a long 68 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:50,000 time to overcome. So I think it's it's better. But 69 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:53,800 again that's coming from somebody who's. 70 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:54,759 Speaker 2: Been out for a while, so. 71 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,399 Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not one hundred percent confident that it's 72 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,639 anywhere close to where it was in the early Bush years. 73 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: Before we go to the guy who is who's actually active. Now, Lee, 74 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,560 do you want to give your opinion what you see, 75 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,519 because I know you still read like army war college stuff, 76 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:19,240 so you you have your nose to the grindstone when 77 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,240 it comes to this kind of stuff. 78 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in a you know, similar similar situation as John. 79 00:05:25,439 --> 00:05:29,000 Like I ets in two thousand and eight, so I've 80 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,680 been out, you know for quite a while, but I 81 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,800 through work, I have you know, pretty frequent occasion to 82 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:41,560 be in contact with the guys who are still in 83 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,839 or are in some component whether like reserve or guard 84 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,399 or something like that. And I kind of echo what 85 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,360 John said that it seems like things are you know, 86 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:59,240 somewhat improving in terms of like just the general approach 87 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,000 and the you know climate. I know, things were rough 88 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:08,959 under Obama, under Biden. So it seems you know, to 89 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:12,240 me as a you know, a former guy. I mean 90 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:15,360 to be clear, I'm not retired like you'd use the 91 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:17,439 word retired. I want to make sure that I'm clear 92 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:20,319 on that. I did one one contract in ETS, so 93 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,519 I'm not a twenty year guy. But it does seem 94 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,319 like right now things are probably on the up trend, 95 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,560 which is overdue. But you know, like I said, I've 96 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,000 been out for a while. When when I was in, 97 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,959 I mean, I was in under Bush and you know, 98 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,240 we can talk more about it later, but it seems 99 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,720 like it really suffered under Obama and then Biden, and 100 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,240 I like the the way that things seem to be 101 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,839 going from from the outside at this point. That Paul, So, 102 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:56,519 I'm going. 103 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,439 Speaker 2: On five years now. Now that's five five guard years, 104 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,639 so you know, take that for what it's worth. I 105 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:07,639 have a few more to go, so I'm I'm not 106 00:07:07,879 --> 00:07:13,319 going to be out anytime soon. But what is it 107 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,720 but the the the state of the military that I 108 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:21,839 have seen in I I enlisted under Trump one. Last 109 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,040 year of Trump one, I was in you know, I 110 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:27,199 was I was I was in basic during the Summer 111 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,600 of Love, which was very interesting to hear the rumors 112 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:34,639 that were spread during that summer. And you know, then 113 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,360 I spent most of my quote unquote career under Biden. 114 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:44,000 I was discharged and I re enlisted under Biden, and 115 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:47,399 now I'm now I'm under Trump too, And let me 116 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:52,000 tell you it has I I'm kind of in concurrence 117 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,879 with these two gentlemen. It was very bad under Biden. 118 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,759 And that was you know, one of the only cool 119 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:01,199 things I ever got to do was I was at 120 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:03,959 the right place, right time, right security clearance to see 121 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,360 the fall of Kabul from a you know, from a 122 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:10,600 from an S two shop, which was pretty cool, but 123 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,920 also pretty demoralizing as to the to the state of 124 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:20,879 the high command. And you know, mister Slaughter mentioned purges 125 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:25,639 of high commands take generations to undo. You can't just 126 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:31,920 you can't just undo that immediately. You know, it takes 127 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,360 years to reach general officer, and it takes years to 128 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:42,799 undo the policies that general officers create. So however, that said, 129 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,639 there is some life in the army, at least in 130 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,679 the army. That's the perspective I have. There's some life 131 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,519 with this new shift from what's called coin warfare to 132 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,519 near peer. You'll hear about it a lot if you're 133 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,440 in the d O D world. The all these army 134 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,200 likes to throw around buzzwords, particularly higher up officers like 135 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,759 to throw them on buzzwords near peer, near peer, near peer, 136 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:06,759 near peer, near peer, and that has certainly put some 137 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:07,679 life in the army. 138 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,519 Speaker 1: Just make this a conversation now, I'll I'll jump in 139 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:15,879 if I if I have a question, or I think 140 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:19,000 we're a little too far off field, but anyone, anyone 141 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,639 can jump in now, go ahead. 142 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,879 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what as as as these things 143 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,320 typically go, whenever you're discussing an issue, typically the pro 144 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,200 side goes first, and then you know it gives the 145 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,919 the against side or the doubtful side time to cross examined. 146 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,879 So I will, I will. I have not been quiet 147 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,759 about telling our guys. Hey, I think joining the military 148 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:45,879 is a good idea. You can take this from someone 149 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:49,039 who is currently in, who lives with that sort of 150 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,240 damicles over his head every time, you know, pretty much 151 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:55,000 every every day, even if it's on a small level 152 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:00,960 than an active duty guy would. I believe it can 153 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:06,759 be a good idea, depending on who the individual is 154 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,799 and what it is they're looking to get right now. 155 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,720 As an upfront statement, if you're going active duty at all, 156 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:20,960 I would not recommend anyone sign anything other than a 157 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,279 three year contract. No fewer, no more. If you're going 158 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,279 to do it, a three year contract is vital. Why 159 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:32,480 because a three year contract active duty is what gives 160 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:35,720 you access to the bag. It gives you GI bill, 161 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:37,799 it gives you the VA home loan, it gives you 162 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,559 a whole variety of other goodies that are only available 163 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,320 after a certain period of active duty months. If you're 164 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,759 going to do this and do active duty, you would 165 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:50,519 be stupid if you were doing it for one or 166 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:53,480 two years. Now, there's a few circumstances. There's some moss 167 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:56,200 that give you top secret security clearance. That's another that's 168 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,679 a reason to do it is it's a good way 169 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:58,879 to get a clearance if you want to go in 170 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,519 defense or something to that effect. But other than a 171 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,759 very specialized way of doing that, like three years is 172 00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:10,279 the I think the ideal time. Right now you can 173 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,559 get in, get your benefits, and at that three year 174 00:11:14,159 --> 00:11:16,639 ets date, end of time and service. We're going to 175 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,279 use a whole bunch of acronyms and if we don't 176 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,960 stop to say what they are. The audience is going 177 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,039 to be left behind end of time and service, which 178 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,840 is your end date at that time. If you like 179 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:27,879 the Army, or you like the Navy, or wherever you enlist, 180 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,759 then you can extend. And if you don't, or if 181 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,879 you really really don't like living under it, then it's 182 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,159 just three years of your life. Time is a very 183 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,279 valuable commodity right now. But I'm pretty sure we have 184 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,519 three years at least, you know, at least at time 185 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,759 of recording, that's how long Trump has left in office. 186 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,480 So if you're going to do it active duty side, 187 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:54,320 that's what I would do. National Guard reserve side. You know, 188 00:11:55,039 --> 00:11:57,720 there's a National Guard for the Army and the Air Force, 189 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,519 and there's a reserve for the Army, the Navy and 190 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:02,000 the Marine or and I think the air Force, so 191 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,279 you can you know, that's the part time commitment. Those 192 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,360 are more typically six year contracts initially, although you can 193 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:10,720 do fewer. With the National Guard, I'm a lot more, 194 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,039 you know, I don't have a recommendation as to how 195 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,600 long seeing is. How the service commitment is much shorter, 196 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:20,080 and I'll kind of I'll kind of go into a 197 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,720 second part of this before I open it up to 198 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:25,200 the other two gentlemen, reasons why I think you should 199 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,879 join the military, even right now. Number one, Trump is 200 00:12:27,879 --> 00:12:30,480 the best commander in chief you're gonna get for a while, 201 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:32,919 or we've had for a while and you're probably gonna get, 202 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,720 although you know, God willing someone just as good comes 203 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:43,080 to replace him. Number Two, if you're a listless young 204 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,799 man who has literally nothing going on, or you're in 205 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:48,279 a bad situation, or you have no idea what to 206 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,720 do with your life, the military has always been there 207 00:12:51,879 --> 00:12:54,679 as a sort of way out for it. You know, 208 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:57,159 you can. You can end a bad lease by enlisting. 209 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,440 You can move from a bad situation from enlisting if 210 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,720 you're if you're weak and whatever. It's not going to 211 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:06,320 make you a bodybuilder, but it'll certainly give you some 212 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,240 confidence and some accomplishment and some structure, you know, and 213 00:13:10,279 --> 00:13:14,399 it'll pay you right. Benefits are great in terms of 214 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:19,279 health insurance and the like other thing pays. I mean 215 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,080 if you have dependence. I mean, if you have dependence, 216 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,799 that's a whole different calculus. Matter of fact, if you 217 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,559 have a family, I wouldn't recommend you enlist unless it's reserves. 218 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:32,679 But you know, specialized jobs there are. You know, I 219 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:35,240 could go into this more in depth later in the stream, 220 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:37,279 but there are a couple of very specific jobs. I 221 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,879 would recommend that the army particular. I'm gonna be very 222 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,759 Army centric, but I know a little bit about the 223 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:46,000 other branches. But there's specific jobs that you can break 224 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:49,600 into by enlisting or going to OCS that you couldn't 225 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,799 otherwise that'll be very valuable, both for yourself and for 226 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:57,759 for our thing. You know, there are a variety of 227 00:13:57,759 --> 00:14:00,440 other things, but that's generally what it has to do 228 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,360 with is if you want some sort of job skill, 229 00:14:02,919 --> 00:14:06,480 if you want a GI bill, which can functionally as 230 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:08,679 a go to college for free and they pay for 231 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,879 your rent and a bunch of other stuff, and you 232 00:14:10,919 --> 00:14:12,679 can go be a lawyer, you can go be an 233 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,480 accountant or some other skilled professional, or an engineer. And 234 00:14:16,519 --> 00:14:18,559 then there's via home loan where you can go and 235 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,440 purchase a house with zero percent down. It's a pretty 236 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,320 good way, pretty good loan, usually on pretty favorable interest rates. 237 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,159 It's a pretty good way to get home ownership in 238 00:14:27,159 --> 00:14:30,919 the market. And that's not even talking about the veteran status, 239 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:35,000 which nullifies the bias against you if you are of 240 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,960 Caucasian descent, Veteran status kind of nullifies that to a 241 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,799 certain extent, that systemic bias against you because veterans are 242 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,759 a protected group under CRA if I remember correctly. So 243 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:49,600 those are a lot of the reasons. And I could 244 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,960 probably go more into detail about the job skills and 245 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:55,960 the like, but I've been talking for a while. But 246 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:01,159 in insummation, those are reasons why one of our guys 247 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,679 would want to enlist, even in today's day and age. 248 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,720 You know, obviously it's not going to be perfect, and 249 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,759 you know these are just the upsides. There are plenty 250 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,399 of downsides, which I'm sure we are going to get into, 251 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,360 but as far as the pro side goes, those are 252 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:16,879 reasons why you would want to do it. 253 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna echo a lot of what Paul had 254 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000 to say. I'm kind of in a similar camp. I 255 00:15:25,039 --> 00:15:29,159 think my advice if if somebody's wanting to join is 256 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:32,480 I would want to see who they are and what 257 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:36,200 their reasons are for joining. There there is a lot 258 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,080 to be gotten out of the military, as Paul mentioned, 259 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:43,120 especially when it comes to specialized skills or specialized moss 260 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:49,240 I would not recommend anybody go into combat arms, just 261 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:52,879 simply because when that is over, when you're when your 262 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,480 time and service is over, there's not a lot for 263 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:58,200 you to do. It doesn't confer a lot of skill 264 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,240 sets that transfer to this civilian world. Now, you can 265 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,960 always go go to college and use the gi bul 266 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,679 as he mentioned, but when it comes to getting out 267 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,759 and just getting a job, you're pretty much limited to 268 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:13,440 things like being a police officer, some form of law enforcement, 269 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:16,399 or you might could look in you know, FBI or 270 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,120 something like that, one of the three letter agencies. But 271 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:22,519 my recommendation would just be if that's something you really 272 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:25,720 want to do and you're going to be enlisted, look 273 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:28,480 for a specialized skill, you know, try to get as 274 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,399 high a score in the ASVAB or GT scores you 275 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,720 can and get one of those skills that essentially functions 276 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,799 as free trade school. I've known a lot of people 277 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,159 that did their time enlisted and had a you know, 278 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,759 whether it's being a nuke on a sub or being 279 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,519 a tech a radio tech, where they got out and 280 00:16:46,519 --> 00:16:48,120 they were able to use those skills to make a 281 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,240 significant amount of money immediately after leaving, unlike someone like 282 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:56,799 myself who there's not a lot of transferable skills from 283 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,080 being a Ford observer to the civilian world. But my 284 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,519 main recommendation though would be is if if you are 285 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:08,400 a capable young man, the Officer Corps is where I 286 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,200 would recommend going, simply because of the skills you're going 287 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,000 to gain, uh, not just through OCS, but also the networking, 288 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,559 the clearance, the leadership skills you're going to learn in that, 289 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,680 and there's also a lot of opportunities in there. I 290 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:26,480 had a good friend of mine who was lucky enough 291 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:29,359 to come in as enlisted and in the Marine Corps 292 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,359 they call it the must we call them Mustangs. There 293 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,319 there are people that enlisted did some time, usually about 294 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:38,799 when they're about a staff sergeant, maybe a gunny. They 295 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:40,880 will put in a package and they'll basically get college 296 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,839 paid for. They'll get sent to r OTC, they'll do college, 297 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,759 they'll come back as a as a lieutenant. And he 298 00:17:46,839 --> 00:17:49,279 did that and then turned around and got the Marine 299 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:51,400 Corps to pay for his law school, and so he 300 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,519 got to do three years of law school while getting 301 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:57,599 paid by the government and not having to do anything 302 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,200 but go to school. And he was getting paid as 303 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,839 a captain at the time, So there's a lot of 304 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:05,079 higher skills that can be achieved, especially you know, the 305 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,160 Navy is a good place for medical A lot of 306 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,000 people get their medical degree and then join the Navy 307 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:13,920 and have it paid off. So I think there's a 308 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,359 lot of benefits, but it's it's individual based. And if 309 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:21,039 if you're at the lower end of that rung and 310 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:22,519 you're trying to get out of a bad spot, or 311 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:25,559 you don't have a lot of prospects, the way to 312 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:28,559 go is to find a job that has transferable skills 313 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:29,240 for the future. 314 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, the transferable skills thing that like I agree largely 315 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,720 with that in sentiment, but I I don't know. I 316 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:53,000 would also offer like combat arms, like I was, infantry 317 00:18:55,759 --> 00:19:01,880 and combat arms is appeal like when you're a young man, 318 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,799 like I'm thirty nine years old now and you know, 319 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,240 so it's not I'm aged out and looking back, it 320 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:13,000 was you know, probably you know, not the smartest thing 321 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:17,279 to join the infantry, you know, in the relatively early 322 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:23,720 period of like you know, g Watt, But I really, 323 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,880 you know, I've thought about it a lot over the years, 324 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,960 and at this point, I don't think I would trade 325 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,519 it for anything. So I wouldn't necessarily like if you're 326 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:36,319 a young guy, if you're you know, seventeen eighteen nineteen 327 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:41,319 and you just have that itch where it's like I 328 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,640 just want to go, like I don't know, choose some 329 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:48,640 dirt somewhere and just see what that's all about. I 330 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,240 wouldn't write it off. And you know that's that's more 331 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:59,559 of like an impulsive decision than something where you're thinking 332 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,720 like long term about like career prospects and financial security 333 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,240 and things like that. So you know, take this advice, 334 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,960 you know, with a grain of salt, because I mean 335 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,839 I remember, you know, during my ETS process, like you 336 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:18,240 I assume the military still does something like this where 337 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:20,920 you you go through like a series of out processing. 338 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,279 It was called a CAP at the time, but you 339 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:26,960 know they try to help you like write a resume 340 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,759 and you know, teach you about you know, finding jobs 341 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:32,079 and stuff like that. And you know, I remember the 342 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,920 lady who was doing it was just like, oh yeah, 343 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,640 you were in the infantry, Like you're you're not going 344 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,880 to find a job, you know, because you know, you 345 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:43,799 remember this is like ETS ing into the Great Recession, right, 346 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,200 so like you know, I got out and there was, 347 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,839 there was practically no jobs, you know, anywhere. It was 348 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,920 very difficult to find even entry level work. You know, 349 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,839 I've done okay since then, but yeah, if you're if 350 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,680 you're someone who's looking for like long term aspects in 351 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:06,200 terms of job security or like a technical field or 352 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,759 something like that, and you don't otherwise have access, like 353 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:12,440 if you're you're not from the financial means to just 354 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,920 go ahead, you know, directly into like a college route. 355 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,759 The military is definitely a viable option for that. But 356 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,559 I would also make the appeal to any young guys who. 357 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:28,079 Speaker 2: You know, like. 358 00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 4: I there were I was not the only guy in 359 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,720 the infantry who was there by choice, right Like there, 360 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:39,599 you would be surprised who you meet in combat arms, Moss. 361 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,519 Some of the smartest guys I've ever met were there, 362 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,319 And it's it's not it's kind of like a meme 363 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,480 on the Internet where you talk about like everyone's a 364 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:50,079 retard in the infantry or they're all crayon eaters and 365 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,240 stuff like that, But that's not the case. You meet 366 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,960 some really interesting guys, some really great people, and a 367 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:01,119 lot of them are you know, are very intelligent, and 368 00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:06,160 you get to go out and you know, basically have 369 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,200 adventures with those guys and it sucks a lot of 370 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,759 the time, but I always look back on it fondly 371 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:19,400 with you know, notable and but rare exception. And if 372 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,079 there's you know, guys out there who are going to 373 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,720 listen to this, who are seventeen eighteen who are thinking, well, 374 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,279 you know, maybe I could go straight into college and 375 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,799 I could do something that's like, you know, respectable. I 376 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:35,039 could be an account intern, attorney or something like that. 377 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:38,119 But I also kind of have this itch where I 378 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,680 want to like jump out of planes and you know, 379 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,440 just go do stuff like that, and some god forsaken hell. Hold, 380 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:50,200 it's you know, going to be a complicated and messy situation, 381 00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:52,119 and I just want to kind of test myself with that. 382 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:56,440 Don't write it off, because that's you know, that's a 383 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,279 big part too. So that's not that's not going to 384 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,319 be for everybody. Like you have to give yourself to 385 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,759 it and it can show you up. It's it's a 386 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:07,319 you know, it's a test of what you're willing to 387 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,000 tolerate and put up with mentally to maintain like the 388 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:14,799 right attitude with it. But I wouldn't say write it off, 389 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:17,440 like definitely way, you know, way, what your priorities are, 390 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,319 and what would you think your disposition is and what 391 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,599 you feel like you would be willing to tolerate and uh, 392 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,799 you know put yourself to and yeah, of course, like 393 00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:31,799 the smart money is always on making money, but don't 394 00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:35,599 write off the the you know, adventure aspect of it too. 395 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,599 So I would from the young guys, I would definitely 396 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,960 give combat arms a look for just for that reason. 397 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,799 But otherwise I agree with what these two gentlemen have said. 398 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,799 There are you know, from a purely financial status standpoint, 399 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,839 h there are you know a lot of benefits. The 400 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,720 military is well funded and it opens a lot of doors. 401 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,759 Speaker 2: So to the point on comb at arms that we've 402 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:05,839 already spoken about, you know, I'm not in disagreement with 403 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,079 either of you. If you're if you're not going to 404 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,039 get a job after the military, you don't know how 405 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:13,920 you're going to get a job after the military, maybe 406 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:19,480 you should give combat arms a second thought. But for 407 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:24,920 those of you who feel like you're gonna need combat 408 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:29,839 experience for whatever reason that you think you're going to 409 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,799 need combat experience, I'll leave I'll leave that you know undefined, 410 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,079 for whatever reason that you think you're going to need 411 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:43,279 combat experience, combat arms is the way to go, and 412 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,920 very specific combat arms refers to in the Army, it 413 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:51,599 is a infantry, cavalry, field artillery. I guess air defense 414 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,640 artillery as well, although the engineers, though they're not technically 415 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,759 a combat arms mos, do experience combat just as much 416 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:03,240 as infantry do. If you're a twelve Bravo, which is 417 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,319 a combat engineer, they're always attached to the eleven bravos, 418 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:09,640 which are the infantryment. These are moss, which are military 419 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,039 occupational specialties. That's your job. It's always in the Army, 420 00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:18,480 at least it is two numbers and a letter, and 421 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:20,119 I don't know how I know. In the Marine Corps 422 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,240 it works a similar way, not the exact same way, 423 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,640 but for those of you who feel like you're going 424 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,440 to need combat experience right now. The National Guard, which 425 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,880 if you are not familiar with, the National Guard is 426 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:38,519 one of the two halves of the reserve components of 427 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,640 the US Army and the US Air Force. It is 428 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,039 a state based military, although it has the capacity to 429 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:48,200 be federalized, and it falls under the same chain of command, 430 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,079 the same uniforms, the same rank structure, the same training 431 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,759 you will do training alongside active duty people. If you 432 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:57,680 join the National Guard, however, you will primarily act in 433 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,400 what is called a Title thirty two capacity, which is 434 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,240 the area of US law that's covered. That's state level law, 435 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,440 as opposed to a Title ten capacity, which is federalized. Right, 436 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,119 so I learned this recently. You're actually not if you're 437 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,440 a guardsman or your Title thirty two, you're not even 438 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:15,880 under what's called UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 439 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,400 which is a military law. If you're a Title thirty 440 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,200 two guardsman, you're actually under your respective state Code of 441 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,200 Military Justice, like if you're in Texas the TCMJ or 442 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,920 the Texas Code of Military Justice or wherever else, and 443 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,720 all fifty states have one. Usually it's a carbon copy 444 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,720 of the UCMJ. But the reason that I'm telling this 445 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,319 about the National Guard is that right now, well number 446 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,119 one fifty, at least half more than half I think 447 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,119 of the US Army's combat capacity is within the National Guard. 448 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,480 This was very consciously done after the Vietnam War to 449 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:58,079 prevent the sort of foreign adventurism that that could bring about. Unsuccessfully, 450 00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:02,839 of course, but National Guard has forward deployed as much 451 00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:06,680 as active duty to has has won almost as many 452 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,200 medals of honor, done as much combat experience, et cetera, 453 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,440 et cetera. And right now, actually, given that g Watt 454 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:19,440 has sort of drawn down, right now, you are more 455 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,279 likely to go on a combat deployment or to get 456 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:25,240 on a combat deployment if you are in the National 457 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,400 Guard than if you are on active duty. That's not 458 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,240 to say active duty doesn't combat deploy and in active 459 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:35,799 duty you'll have the opportunity to do far more specialized 460 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,599 training such as airborne school, air assault school, pathfinder school, 461 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:44,079 all the cool guy stuff that you see ranger school 462 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,039 sapp or school, et cetera, et cetera that give you 463 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,319 very specialized military skills. You'll have more of a because 464 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,720 national Guard is broke. National Guard is usually not very 465 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,960 not as well funded as the active duty, so the 466 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,160 opportunities to do things are fewer. However, you are more 467 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:01,759 likely to be deploy Floyd oversea for that exact reason. 468 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,880 Because right now, it's this very perverse calculus. The federal 469 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,119 government deploys national Guard units more than active duty because 470 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,240 national Guard units are cheaper to send overseas than active 471 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:15,559 duty ones. And this is for very complicated finance and 472 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:19,440 insurance reasons. But I digress, And this isn't even I'm 473 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,279 sure we'll at some point talk about special forces and 474 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:28,599 the capacities for things similar to that. But if for 475 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,640 whatever reason, you, as a listener, feel like you're going 476 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,160 to need some or at least something resembling combat experience, 477 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,839 the National Guard, and I would even very specifically say 478 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,599 National Guard Infantry eleven Bravo is probably the way to go. 479 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: I was going. I'm glad Paul brought that up because 480 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:57,039 I was actually going to ask that question about very 481 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,880 specifically what he said, if you feel that it will 482 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,240 be useful to you in the future, whether that consideration 483 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:09,920 was something that you guys had thought about. Had you 484 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,720 had you thought about that, Uh, mister. 485 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:16,279 Speaker 3: Slaughter, Yeah, I've considered that. I think first of all, 486 00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:18,640 there's one of the big distinctions between the Marine Corps 487 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,400 and the the Army is that everybody in the Marine 488 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,680 Corps goes to oh, I can't remember the name of 489 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,680 the school. Now, we go to School of Infantry obviously 490 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,720 if you're your combat arms, but if you're not, you 491 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,920 go to After you finish boot camp, you go to 492 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,440 a secondary school where it's essentially a condensed and very 493 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,359 short version of school of Infantry, so you learn all 494 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,839 of the the basic infantry tactics because the Marine Corps 495 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,680 has this philosophy that every every Marine is a rifleman, right, 496 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,640 So it doesn't matter what mos you pick in the 497 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,720 Marine Corps, you're gonna get at least a basic functioning level. 498 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:56,599 I mean, you're not going to be great, but you're 499 00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,960 going to have more skills in the average person space 500 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,759 if you if you keep up on those skills and 501 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,240 you actually make an effort to retain and learn those things. Now, 502 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,240 it's not the same as going uh to school of Infantry, 503 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,880 but I do think I would say as much as 504 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,079 I would discourage most people from it still Uh. To 505 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,839 Lee's point and to Paul's as well, there's a particular 506 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,039 type of young man that you can't worn away from that. 507 00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:28,039 And I was like that. My My uncle was extremely 508 00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:31,079 high up in the Air Force, uh, you know, and 509 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,960 he was right around the time he's going to be 510 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:39,000 a pin fulbird colonel. He tried really hard to talk 511 00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,759 me out of the Marine Corps. But mine the only 512 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,960 reason I wanted to join the military was to do 513 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:46,640 to do cool shit in my mind, right, so there 514 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,799 was no other option. And I think for those type 515 00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:54,200 of young men, I would say, if that's really something 516 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,440 you want to do, because you just can't shake that 517 00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:58,400 and you need to do that and you want to 518 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,119 learn those skills, keep in mind and it's difficult, and 519 00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:04,160 I don't know about the army, but you can always 520 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,319 what's called a Latin move, you can move from one 521 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,599 MOS to another later on, so you could technically, and 522 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,119 it's a risk because you don't know if you're always 523 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,759 going to get it, but you can do your your 524 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,519 you know, most contracts in the Marine Corps four years. 525 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,480 You do your four years, and when your time to 526 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,359 re enlist comes up, you can put in a package 527 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,440 to move to a different MOS. So you could, hypothetically, 528 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,160 you know, in eight years, you could get both the 529 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,839 skills from from being in an infantryman or even a 530 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,480 tanker some other form of combat arms and then move 531 00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,519 over to a more specialized skill or go to college 532 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:42,039 as I mentioned earlier, with like the Mustang program. So 533 00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,319 I think for those specific guys, I would say, you know, 534 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,960 you're you're not going to be satisfied unless you do it. 535 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,920 Than do it. But if you're looking for anything other 536 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,319 than that, then I would I would stick away from it. 537 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 4: Do you have anything to add to that, Lee, No, 538 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:04,599 I think that's right on the money. It's really you know, 539 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,680 it's a matter of preference. And you know everyone like no, 540 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,519 two guys fight the same war, right like everyone If 541 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,880 you join the military, everyone joins for their own personal 542 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,839 reasons in addition to the normal uh you know cliches 543 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,119 that you hear, but everyone, uh, you know, takes something 544 00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:28,319 away from it, and everyone's in it for a different reason. 545 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,839 So if it is absolutely the best advice, like what 546 00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,880 John is saying, what Paul is saying, like, hey, keep 547 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,160 the future in mind. Do you know the smart money 548 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,880 is on some type of technical field career, you know, 549 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:49,480 degree program for sure, Like I you know, I agree 550 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:54,079 with that, you know, and Paul is right. The National Guard, 551 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,880 especially their infantry units, stay very busy. So if you 552 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,240 are a young guy who just like, look, I just 553 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,799 want to do three years and you know, get into 554 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,440 a fight basically, then that that's that's where you would 555 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,480 you would go. Is you know, an infantry unit in 556 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,160 the army, it's like the National Guard component. 557 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: Well so sorry, sorry, go ahead, Paul, you had well'll 558 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,039 finish what you're saying, and let me see if you're 559 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:19,680 going to say what I. 560 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:20,799 Speaker 2: Was, Well, I was going to I was going to 561 00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:22,839 launch into a whole tangent on special forces. 562 00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was going to ask you got okay. 563 00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: So, so we've talked a lot about here, like there's 564 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,240 two different primary reasons to join the military, and this 565 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:34,920 has been very Army and Marine Corps heavy. We can 566 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,279 to a certain extent talk about the Air Force and 567 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,839 the Navy a little bit towards the latter end of 568 00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:45,400 this stream. But if we've talked a lot about technical skills, 569 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,839 and we've talked a lot about the desire for combat experience. Right, 570 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,759 But if you are the type of person who can 571 00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:00,519 either either has or can cultivate a inner strength and 572 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,000 discipline to make it possible if you want both a 573 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:09,400 technical skill set and combat experience, the way to do 574 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,440 so is special forces. A right, So what is special forces? Well, 575 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,719 special forces literally actually only applies to Army special forces. 576 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,760 But you know, so cam Special Operations Command, every branch 577 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,079 of the military has their own unit of special forces. 578 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,199 With the Army, it's the it's the green Berets or 579 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,960 its Raineer Regiment, and then of course you know there's 580 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,880 Delta Force, but you know, and then more specialized ones 581 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,159 like I s A or the the Activity is or 582 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,559 or or I s A the Activity and another nickname. 583 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:46,480 The Army of Northern Virginia are all one specialized, uh 584 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,400 sub unit of that. You can you can make this 585 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:54,079 ever ever more and more and more granular, but that's 586 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,280 the Army. The Navy, of course, everyone knows about the 587 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,599 Navy Seals, and they also know about dev grew Marines. 588 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,760 I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure they still have the 589 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,159 raiders and the Marine scout snipers and then Marine Recon 590 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,039 are all kind of of that category of special forces. 591 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,159 And then the Air Force they have the pair of 592 00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:15,880 rescue men. I think I think I covered all of them. 593 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,920 They're they're I'm sure I forgot someone's unit, but each 594 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,679 of them have a different specialty and some of them 595 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,159 are available. So you know how I talk about the 596 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,119 National Guard. A lot of people don't know this, but 597 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:31,039 the National Guard has green Berets, it has special forces. 598 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,920 Nineteenth and twentieth Group are two National Guard. I think 599 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,639 your your other guest, Clay Martin was in one of them. 600 00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:47,199 You know, you can be in Special Forces part time 601 00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:52,480 in the National Guard. It's one of the better kept 602 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,199 secrets in the army. A lot of people don't know 603 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,239 about it. But yes, you do have Special Force and 604 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,719 you do the exact same Special Forces training and you 605 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,679 depl eployee justice I don't want to say just as all, 606 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,280 or you can deploy just as often as active duty 607 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,880 special forces. And but that's specifically Green Berets. Green Berets 608 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,239 have a very specific combat profile. They're the ones the 609 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,960 most familiar with. You have different specialty sergeants that all 610 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,880 specialize because because the coole concept with green Berets is 611 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,360 that you can if you want to see what the 612 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,000 concept is, watch the movie The Green Berets. It communicates 613 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,840 it very well. But the whole point is that they're 614 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,400 supposed to go into an area and be able to 615 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,400 perform with that small team of people just about any 616 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,519 task that they can perform. So if you and they 617 00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:35,960 will get you will get combat experience. So if you 618 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,559 want that uh and a heavily technical skill set, they 619 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,599 are trained very well on each of their respective career fields. 620 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:46,440 I think there's an engineer, sergeant, medical, sergeant, uh signal sergeant, 621 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,039 which is you know it and radios so you'll know 622 00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:54,159 a little bit about all of that, and weapons sergeant 623 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:55,440 if you just want to, you know, want to be 624 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,360 a cool guy. Ranger Regiment, on the other hand, is 625 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,760 a lot more just a very very very very high 626 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,119 speed line infantry unit. You will get more than your 627 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,840 more combat than you like. And it's also a very 628 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,800 competitive culture, very hard to get into, very hard to 629 00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:15,280 even harder to stay in than it is to get in. 630 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,000 And I would imagine it's the exact same thing in 631 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,440 the Marine Corps, but the Marine Corps. That's how it's 632 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,199 been explained to me, the Marine Corps raiders and the 633 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,360 Scout snipers is it's all one hundred and ten percent 634 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,159 all the time, and if you can't hack it, you're out. 635 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,199 I don't know much about the PJS, and I don't 636 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,519 know much about the Seals, although I assume the Seals 637 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,280 are similar to the Marine Corps. And you know, the 638 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,639 Seals are the most famous ones. I'm sure y'all know 639 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:41,079 all about them. But yeah, that's that's Special Forces. I know, 640 00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:44,159 we've got plenty of not only we've got a ton 641 00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,000 of veterans that hang around the scene. But we've got 642 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:50,400 even more than our fair share of XSF of various varieties. 643 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,159 So I'm sure if any of y'all have any further 644 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,440 questions on that, you can speak to one of them. 645 00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:57,880 I've done it. I've spoken to them about it. They're 646 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,920 usually very happy to share information. 647 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to piggyback on the thing. So 648 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,119 the Marine Corps is a lot different obviously in a 649 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:11,039 lot of ways. When I was in one of the 650 00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:14,440 things that the Marine Corps raiders originated in during World 651 00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,719 War Two, and they were they were disbanded not long 652 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,280 after the war, mostly because of the Marine Corps had 653 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,000 this idea that they they didn't need special forces, that 654 00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,440 everybody there, our infantry was supposed to be up uh 655 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:32,039 on par with the ability of what was considered i 656 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:36,079 guess special forces at the time. So you'll hear and 657 00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:37,960 you know, Lee and Paul might not like this, but 658 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,840 the Marine Corps kind of looks at like our our 659 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,280 infantry on par as being just as good as rangers. 660 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,320 Now people can go back and forth on that, but 661 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,639 because of that sort of idea, there hasn't really been 662 00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:55,519 special forces when I was in, you had there as 663 00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:58,000 he mentioned, you had Forced Recon, you had scout snipers 664 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:02,880 who famously got in trouble for using certain symbols when 665 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,840 I was in But I digress. The point is is 666 00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:09,519 the they realized where the money was going, and they 667 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:12,519 brought in what they called MARSOK, and MARSOK was Marine 668 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:16,840 Corps Special Operations Command that is recently shifted to taking 669 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,320 over the old Raiders name, and I think that was 670 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,079 a few years ago, and it was largely because a 671 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,320 lot of the money was going into two special forces 672 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,920 and the Marine Corps didn't really have anything other than 673 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,400 Force Recon and scout snipers. So that's a relatively new thing. 674 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,199 But the Marine Corps, if you're wanting to do special forces, 675 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:40,480 I would actually recommend the Army because it's easier in 676 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:42,800 the Army or in the National Guard to get into 677 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,719 special forces. The Marine Corps is very selective. And I 678 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,840 don't know if this has changed, but for example, whether 679 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,840 it was it was MARSOK or EOD, most branches the 680 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,599 other three branches will allow you to enlist, you know, 681 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,159 under those moss the Marine Corps you had to have 682 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,760 done four years already and you had to be I 683 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,079 think either a sergeant or you were going to pick 684 00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,719 up sergeant before they would even let you go to 685 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,039 those schools in the first place. So it's not as 686 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,360 easy to get on that path in the Marine Corps. 687 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,079 I think it's a it's an easier route if you 688 00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:21,159 take the National Guard or the Army in that regard. 689 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think to that point, the Army's program for 690 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,119 that is the eighteen X program. Like the MOS identifier 691 00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:39,400 for ARMYSF is eighteen series. So unless it's changed, as 692 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,039 far as I know, it's still the eighteen X program. 693 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,760 But it like if you're a young man and you 694 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,119 go talk to a recruiter and you say, you know, 695 00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:54,039 I want to be a Special Forces guy, they may 696 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,199 bring up the eighteen X program. That has a very 697 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,920 very high rate of failure. Like your odds of going 698 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,039 from you know, eighteen year old, nineteen year old civilian 699 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,679 all the way through the pipeline to being like a 700 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,039 long taber is very low, Like like your your chance 701 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:17,960 of success with that is very low. So for anyone 702 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,880 who's considering like joining with with like a long term 703 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,239 goal of going into the Special Forces, I can only 704 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,320 speak to the like the availability in the Army because 705 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,000 I was in the Army. I was not in Special Forces, 706 00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:38,280 but it's not you know, difficult to try out to 707 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,480 be in special forces in the Army, Like the slots 708 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,639 are not as guarded as I think they are in 709 00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:46,519 some of the smaller branches. So like, if you are 710 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,639 a guy who wants to eventually try for special forces, 711 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,559 the Army is probably the best way to go. But 712 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,239 it is not a great idea in my opinion, to 713 00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:02,360 go to a recruiter as an eighteen year old and say, hey, 714 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,840 I want to you know, take this eighteen X program 715 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,360 where I go straight from you know, being a high 716 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,519 school senior to like a Green Beret pipeline. Because the 717 00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:16,760 odds are that that physically you probably don't have like 718 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,960 the the stamina and the discipline or the endurance to 719 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,360 you know, make it through that that entire pipeline, or 720 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,440 just the basic soldiering skills. Like a lot of the 721 00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:33,480 like I was in the eighty second Airborne and so 722 00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,159 like a big percentage of guys in the eighty second 723 00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:40,800 are guys who wash out of some part of the 724 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,639 SF pipeline. Because you know, the JFK Special Warfare Centers 725 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,920 is on Fort Bragg and so you know, guys come 726 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,119 in and they try for SF, they they get hurt 727 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:54,000 or they wash out or something like that, and then 728 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,360 they end up in the line eighty second units. And 729 00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,880 so I knew a lot of guys who are like this, 730 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,599 and most guys would just say like, yeah, man, I 731 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,920 just frankly like I was not mentally ready for like 732 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:11,960 what this is asking of me. And that's fair, Like 733 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,599 I think it's it's probably kind of a dick move 734 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:18,480 by the Army to entice eighteen year olds and say 735 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,679 that you're gonna there's a chance you could become a 736 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,440 Green Beret when there's a very low success rate of 737 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,440 like completing that whole pipeline. And so if it's something 738 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,639 that you're thinking about, there are plenty of options to 739 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,119 get into like the SOCOM community through joining the Army, 740 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:41,920 of course, But I would just advise people to maybe 741 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,119 steer away from the eighteen X program just on the 742 00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:49,159 premise that it's not really geared for you to succeed. 743 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,639 It's geared you know, like every now and again, like 744 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,440 if you read the statistics on it, maybe fifteen sixteen 745 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,519 percent of dudes make it through the pipeline straight straight 746 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:03,679 through the ex program, but it's that's not very good 747 00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:07,960 odds and your soldiering skills. And I don't mean like just. 748 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:10,519 Speaker 2: Like being a cool dude. 749 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 4: I mean like, like, how how strong are you at 750 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,239 reading like a topographic map under a red light when 751 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,639 it's really cold outside and you're under a time hack 752 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,800 like you Unless you have like very strong skills with 753 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,320 like land nav or like working under pressure or something 754 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,280 like that, you are probably not where you need to 755 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,760 be to complete the eighteen x pipeline. So I'm not 756 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,599 saying don't try for Special Forces or anything like that. 757 00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:41,159 I mean that stuff's cool, but just you know, if 758 00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:43,440 you're listening to this as a guy getting out of 759 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,960 high school or you know, way in college or something, 760 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,639 I would advise people away from the aten X program 761 00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:49,920 just for those reasons. 762 00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up. That's yeah, eighteen X 763 00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:58,320 ray is very very very much as a trap, and 764 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,199 I've met more than my fair share of dude who 765 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,639 who fell for it. And that's just simply because special 766 00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,840 Forces is extreme, like Green Berets very specifically, which eighteen 767 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,599 x ray is selecting for, is extremely mentally and physically challenging. 768 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,360 You know, like you were mentioning Lee, you know, and 769 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,000 I'm sure mister slaughter you also understand this is it's 770 00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,280 like you a lot of that is just simply you 771 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,360 don't know how well you can cope with being in 772 00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:29,119 one hundred and twenty degree like eighty percent humidity weather 773 00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:34,880 with a very heavy rocksack and your weapon and your ammunition, 774 00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:38,239 and you're dehydrated and you've been running frigging lanes all 775 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,039 day and now you have to you know, rock march 776 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:48,280 like eight ten twelve miles to your BIV site where 777 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,000 you're going to be spending the night, and it's probably 778 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:52,039 not going to be and you've been up since like 779 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:57,440 zero five, and you're going to be basically up until 780 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:01,400 maybe twenty three maybe if you're lucky, maybe later, right, 781 00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:03,719 just to do the same thing over again tomorrow and 782 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,519 the next day and the next day. That's that's kind 783 00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:09,000 of like you're not gonna know how well you cope 784 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:13,199 with that until you're there and you have to. So 785 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,320 that's that's kind of what that's what Lee is sort 786 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,880 of talking about when he's saying like basic soldiering skills, 787 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,360 it's literally it's just you don't you don't know how 788 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,679 you'll deal with it until you have to deal with it. 789 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,519 So those are those are things to keep in mind, 790 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,400 you know, even something like Ranger regiment, like the alternative 791 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,280 for eighteen X ray that he said is is option forty. 792 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,480 I don't know if they still do it, but this 793 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,679 was to get into Range regiment. Even something like Ranger 794 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:41,719 regiment isn't as mentally demanding the same way that Special 795 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,800 Forces is certainly more physically demanding. But if you're you know, 796 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,159 like like I've I've seen plenty of high school aged 797 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,920 beasts and a lot of them make it through. Really, 798 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,559 Ranger regimen is just is just how much utter suck 799 00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,400 can you endure? But you don't really need to think 800 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,519 too hard, right, Special Forces is not that at all. 801 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,920 Special Forces is not only do you need to endure 802 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,239 a great deal of physical suck, you also need to 803 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,400 be able to continue properly mentally functioning and perform somewhat 804 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,960 complex tasks while enduring that physical suck. And that's why, 805 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,840 you know, that's why a lot of people, especially young 806 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,920 eighteen year olds who don't know a lot about anything, 807 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,760 kind of get sucked into it. But for those of you, who, 808 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,480 let's say, are a little bit older, or who are 809 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,880 already in or who are been thinking about it for 810 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,960 a while, and you've got some more experience with life, 811 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,199 and you know more about yourself, and you're more disciplined, 812 00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,639 and you're more physically conditioned, and you've been in relatively 813 00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:37,800 hard circumstances. Right this is certainly something for you to 814 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,679 consider a lot more. I even heard something last time 815 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,199 I was at the schoolhouse. I heard something how they're 816 00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:47,679 not really selecting anyone younger than twenty eight right now. 817 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,400 It's very rare for them to select someone in their 818 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,599 early twenties. And that's actually a big difference between Army 819 00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:00,039 Special Forces or even something like Delta Force and the 820 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,199 Navy Seals, because the Navy Seals are all like eighteen 821 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,760 to early twenties guys. Because there's a there's a huge 822 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,480 culture of physicality with it that Delta Force, and as 823 00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:13,480 all the Delta forces, way far and beyond what I 824 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,880 think most people listening to this like that's something that 825 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,519 they'll call you. You don't need to worry about that, 826 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,559 but you know that's why, you know, matter of fact, 827 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,599 that's why Navy Seals have so many of the scandals 828 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,280 that they have is because you take a bunch of 829 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,199 like freaking eighteen early twenty somethings, and yeah, they're physical specimens, 830 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,239 but you know, then you give them all of this 831 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,920 this adulation and this and this fame and this praise 832 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,199 that like, oh, you're the best thing since sliced bread 833 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,440 because you're a Navy seal, et cetera. You're the best 834 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,840 of the whole special forces. And that's why they have 835 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,639 all these you know, horrible things that they do, because 836 00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:50,000 it's you know, the environment, isn't there with with SF 837 00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:53,400 RMYSF and Delta force, they select for late twenties, even 838 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,400 early thirties in some instances, which is a whole you know, 839 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,000 I'm sure all of you. I mean, I'm the youngest 840 00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:00,960 one here, but all of you, gentlemen, you know understand 841 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,239 that you know, just the physiological changes that happened to 842 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,880 a young man when he gets to about the age 843 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,440 of twenty eight alone, calm you down in a way 844 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,199 that that that you know, only time can so. But 845 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,760 unless anyone I think that's that's a great deal of 846 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,599 words that have been said on SF, Well. 847 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 3: Paul, I want to jump a little bits to kind 848 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,679 of piggyback off the Navy seal thing. 849 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:26,039 Speaker 2: You know. 850 00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 3: I know in the Army they have they have medics 851 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:28,760 in the Marine Corps. 852 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 2: We don't. 853 00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 3: We don't have that. We have a Navy corman. And 854 00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:34,559 one of the most common jobs for guys who wash 855 00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:37,679 out of buds is to become a Navy corman. And 856 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,639 this is a job that you know, obviously I was 857 00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:43,440 in a Navy and nobody here was. But if you're 858 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,760 not looking, you know at the Marine Corps in the Army, 859 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,800 which is what we've been mostly talking about, and there's 860 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,920 certain skills you want to acquire. The Navy corman program 861 00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:57,599 is is a really to be a common we call 862 00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:00,000 a greenside corman. Those are corman that work with marine 863 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,159 in that you have blue side, which are you know, 864 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,960 mostly naval hospitals and on ship. But if you can 865 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,920 get in on as a green side corman through the Navy, 866 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,800 you're going to get some basic combat skills, but also 867 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,280 combat medic skills, which yin in the future could be 868 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,960 extremely valuable. So I just I think that's an option 869 00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:20,840 for some people to look at. 870 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, now and now that you mentioned that, I know, 871 00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:25,480 Lee you probably had something to say. But now that 872 00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:27,519 you mentioned that, that reminds me you don't have to 873 00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:30,320 go the full way, all the way to Special Forces 874 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,840 in order to get some of the skills that they 875 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,599 teach you. Something similar to that that happens army side, 876 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,599 not exactly the same things as medical, but more on 877 00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:42,599 the engineering side of the house. If you join as 878 00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:46,000 a twelve series twelve Bravo twelve November, you know, the 879 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,440 Engineer series. In the Army, you can go to something 880 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,159 called Sapper School, which is similar to Ranger School, although 881 00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,559 it's half as long and it's it's you know, it's 882 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,800 Ranger School is not the same as going to Ranger Regiment. 883 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,199 I mentioned that earlier. It's not the same. Uh, it's 884 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,320 technically not related at all. But Saper School teaches you, 885 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:13,679 you know, improvised explosives, repelling, uh, tactical combat operations the 886 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,880 same way Ranger School would And that's a lot of 887 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,239 the skills that are taught there are similar to what 888 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,159 people in Special Forces are taught. So if you just 889 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,280 if you just want to get some of those skills now, 890 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,559 it's certainly it's a very demanding school. You know that, 891 00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:29,719 there's there's a joke with people with Sapper tabs who 892 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,000 see people with ranger tabs, they say, oh, ranger school, 893 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,599 that must have been easy, you know. But but but 894 00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:40,159 like that's that's certainly something that you can do. You 895 00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:43,280 don't have to go full hog all the way to 896 00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:45,559 like getting your green beret and being you know, one 897 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,519 of America's best and the chosen few, et cetera, et cetera. 898 00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,280 There's plenty of ways that you even if you don't 899 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,400 even go to SAPER school, if you just go regular 900 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,199 the twelve Bravo route, it already teaches you some of 901 00:51:55,199 --> 00:52:00,440 that typical demolition combat sapper stuff you know, uh that 902 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,880 the army teaches. So there's there's there's more than one 903 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,840 way is to skin a cat. And you don't need 904 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,280 to like there's a certain you know what we call 905 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,480 in the service economy of force, right, you don't need 906 00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:14,599 to do more than you need to do. Right. If 907 00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:19,599 you really need to get that like ultimate deep, far 908 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,280 reaching experience that you know group will give, you, then 909 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:25,800 do so. But if you just want some like basic 910 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,400 you know, not not basic but semi more advanced soldiering skills, 911 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,480 then let's say your average Joe something like that, like 912 00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:35,800 the Navy, the Greenside corpman mister Slaughter mentioned, or or 913 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,519 something like Sapper school, or even just being a typical 914 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:42,400 combat engineer. You know, you'll you'll learn plenty of the 915 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,400 infantry you know, squad platoon, company based tactics, and then 916 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,559 you'll also learn, uh, the more of like the the 917 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,519 battlefield transformation abilities that an engineer has. So and it's 918 00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,960 not limited to those. There are other things in in 919 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:00,920 the Marine Corps and if you're really on combat stuff, 920 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,519 you know that there's things like that that you can do. 921 00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,239 Just to understand that you don't have to do more 922 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,119 than you have to do. 923 00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:17,360 Speaker 1: Can I interchecked and bring something up something that hasn't 924 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,920 been mentioned yet? And probably people who are listening, I'm 925 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:29,320 probably wondering, I haven't heard anybody mention patriotism yet, so 926 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:31,559 want to address that. 927 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll be honest, and I don't know how 928 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:40,320 the other two gentlemen feel. When I joined, don't. I 929 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,480 don't know anybody who joined for those reasons. About ninety 930 00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:47,000 percent of the people it was a family. It was 931 00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:49,679 either a family tradition of some capacity, or they just 932 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,960 wanted to go. And I mean, I'll be frank, A 933 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,760 lot of you know, if you ask a lot of 934 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,440 the young infantry guys. They just want to go blow 935 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,960 stuff up and shoot somebody or go on an adventure. 936 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,119 That's what they want. I don't know, I mean, to me, 937 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,159 at least, the patriots and patriotism was sort of secondary. 938 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,039 I didn't you're really fighting to the for the guy 939 00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:12,679 to your left and your right, That's that's what it's 940 00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:16,480 really about. So I never really saw that. And and 941 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,360 you know, Lee kind of mentioned this earlier. That's that's 942 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,960 the type of people that join the infantry. And you'll 943 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,039 you'll find the imagery has some of the smartest individuals 944 00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:27,199 you'll ever meet and the dumbest at the same time. 945 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,599 And the one thing they sort of have in common 946 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,719 for the most part is that they just wanted to 947 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,519 do cool shit. So I don't know, you know, And 948 00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,039 and I might also be in a particularly strange boat 949 00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:43,960 with the the patriotism thing because my family's history and 950 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,239 being so tied to the Confederacy, I've never had a 951 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,639 strong sense of American pride. So the other two might 952 00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:52,360 have have more to say on that. 953 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, like I largely I'm going to echo what 954 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,920 what mister Slaughter is saying, because I don't like I'll 955 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,760 be to some extent like the corny elder millennial, like 956 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,639 you know, I was, you know, I mean I remember 957 00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,519 watching nine to eleven happen. I was in high school. 958 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,519 I was still too young to join the army, but 959 00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:23,000 some of my buddies who were like ahead of me 960 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,440 were able to, like, you know, it was like, oh shit, man, 961 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,679 we got you know, attack, like we're gonna go fuck 962 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,679 somebody up. And like obviously we've seen how that played out. 963 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,559 I'm not saying that that was like, you know, like 964 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:41,480 a brilliant political you know plan or something forty bunch 965 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,320 of you know, dickhead high school kids in Florida, But 966 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,920 you know, when you're sixteen and like you watch something 967 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,280 like nine to eleven happen, and especially before the age 968 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,559 of like social media and Wi Fi and stuff, it 969 00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:58,920 has i don't know, more like a legacy feel. And 970 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,440 so there was like a sentiment of like, okay, bro, 971 00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:04,400 like we're all like almost old enough to do on 972 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,559 the army, like you know, so let's let's go do it. 973 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:12,199 And that was a factor to an extent. And I 974 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,159 know that's like a quaint idea. In twenty twenty five, 975 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,800 knowing now what we know about you know, how GAT 976 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,679 played out, and also the incentives or you know, perverse 977 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,639 incentives that were at work there. But you know, for 978 00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:32,880 for you know, at this point, I don't know how 979 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,199 much of a factor it is. For guys, I will 980 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,519 say that, you know, just because I think, you know, 981 00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:42,119 just my meritive age, the and the circumstance, like that 982 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,599 was a factor at the time. But if I'm being 983 00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:50,880 totally honest, most of it was like that's kind of 984 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:56,719 like a justification for being eighteen and wanting, you know, 985 00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,760 to go do cool shit. So like you could pin 986 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,760 it on patriotism and say like, you know, yeah, man, 987 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:09,039 stars and stripes, like you know, Toby Keith whatever, and 988 00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:11,559 that's like maybe twenty five percent of it, But most 989 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,039 of it was just that internal voice that's like, hey, man, 990 00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:18,159 like there's a war going on, aren't you curious? Like, 991 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,800 you know, don't you want to go fight in that? 992 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,280 Like maybe maybe it's allowsy war, but it's the only 993 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,199 one we got, man, you know, don't why don't you 994 00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:27,280 go fucking check that out? Like what are you gonna 995 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,639 go do? Like you know, dick with spreadsheets in college? 996 00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:33,440 Like there's an actual shooting, war going on, and so 997 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,840 that that was probably more of a factor if I'm 998 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,079 being honest. I mean it sounds shitty to say, but 999 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,360 you know, I don't mean it from like a cynical standpoint. 1000 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,239 I just mean that that's, you know, kind of how 1001 00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:49,360 it was, and I think that's how it was for 1002 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,800 a lot of guys. But there was also mixed in 1003 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,559 some earnest patriotism, even if maybe it was misguided at hindsight. 1004 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,480 Speaker 2: This is all, like you know, the stuff about job 1005 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,800 skills we were talking about earlier, Like there's easier ways 1006 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,519 to get job skills if you have the means to 1007 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,800 or the scruples too. I would imagine if you like 1008 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,880 the place you're from enough to you know, suffer uniform 1009 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,440 service for an extended period of time, even if it 1010 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,039 is for political reasons, Like there's there's easier ways to 1011 00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:21,519 do all this. 1012 00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:21,719 Speaker 1: Now. 1013 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,639 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not saying you should probab. I'm 1014 00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,360 not saying you should go volunteer in the Ukraine because 1015 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,920 you shouldn't do that. I don't advise that, but there 1016 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,960 are people who are doing that, who are who are 1017 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,159 getting cutting combat experience or you know, joining a Blackwater 1018 00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:40,480 isn't around anymore, but there are various companies that do 1019 00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,280 what Blackwater does. Like that this isn't the only way 1020 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,400 to do this stuff. But I'd imagine if if you're 1021 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,559 doing this, you like the place you're from and the 1022 00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:53,519 people that inhabit that place too enough of an extent 1023 00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:56,719 that you're willing to consider this. But the the whole 1024 00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:59,960 thing about patriotism, I mean, that's that's I mean, honest, 1025 00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:02,360 more than these More than these two guys. I grew 1026 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,840 up with, you know, watching the Military History Channel, and 1027 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:13,559 you know, the my image of the US Army growing 1028 00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,519 up was that it was just this invincible, unstoppable force 1029 00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,760 and the road to Baghdad and desert storm and you know, 1030 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,480 da da da da. I I was a particular, particularly 1031 00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:26,039 weird young kid. And even even that, of course, proved 1032 00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:29,519 completely insufficient to face the world that I was going into. 1033 00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:33,280 And it, you know, broke very quickly in you know, 1034 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,599 any vestiges of it that I had broke when I 1035 00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:39,039 first encountered this scene, and then you know, and then 1036 00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:41,039 when I went to basic training, it broke even further, 1037 00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:44,119 and then it was finally fully shattered when twenty twenty 1038 00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:46,239 one happened, and I saw the pull out of Kabul 1039 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,159 and was ordered to take the vaccine at the at 1040 00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:52,880 the same time. But you know, I'm I'm still here, 1041 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,039 I'm still in it, and you know they're there's not 1042 00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:59,599 zero of it, as these other two gentlemen have said, 1043 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,679 you know, but it's like, what is what is patriotism? Right? 1044 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,679 Is it? Is it liking the place you're from? Or 1045 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:10,079 is it this? Is it this very kitch ideological commitment 1046 01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:13,639 that's almost like a little bit too much. That's actually 1047 01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:16,400 a little bit off putting. It makes people slightly uncomfortable. 1048 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,880 That's what people, i'd say, imagine when you have the 1049 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,400 Toby Keith and the USO shows and stuff like that. 1050 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,800 But again, you know, the plate of the era that 1051 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:27,239 you're in. 1052 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the uh, patriotism is a you know, 1053 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,960 it's a word. It could even be a trope. Serving 1054 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,199 your country is probably the same, but it makes a 1055 01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:45,280 little more. I guess it says a little more, it 1056 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,559 describes a little more. So yeah, I guess that was 1057 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:53,519 the That was a kind of response I was expecting 1058 01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:58,320 from you guys. So, y'all are the experts were coming 1059 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,239 up on an hour? Have we missed anything. Do you 1060 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,960 think we've missed anything. 1061 01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:05,760 Speaker 2: Screw the Navy in the Air Force, I guess. 1062 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:14,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah to I guess re emphasize some like practical 1063 01:01:14,119 --> 01:01:17,199 advice that these guys have mentioned, because it is important 1064 01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:20,920 if you're, you know, a young person thinking about doing this. 1065 01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:26,000 I think it was Paul who mentioned that, but maybe 1066 01:01:26,159 --> 01:01:29,800 I have that backwards. Sign a shorter contract. You can 1067 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,159 always extend to your contract, and the Army will give 1068 01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:38,079 you the stuff to extend it. So for example, if 1069 01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,840 you go into the recruiter's office and you get you know, 1070 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,079 honey dicked into signing an eight year contract and you 1071 01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:48,400 end up hating what your job is and hating the Army, 1072 01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:52,239 like it's going to be pretty bad, Like there's not 1073 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,519 a graceful way to get out of the Army because 1074 01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:58,639 you just don't want to be there. Like it's it's 1075 01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:01,960 difficult to just say like, hey, I don't want to 1076 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,639 do this, and it has right and those have long 1077 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,679 term like if you get you know, discharged under like 1078 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:18,679 other than honorable circumstances, it's it's gonna follow you pretty 1079 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,719 much everywhere. 1080 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,920 Speaker 2: So it happened to me I would not recommend right. 1081 01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:26,880 Speaker 4: So so sign a short contract because if you hate 1082 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,639 it and and you know, especially if you're like a 1083 01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:33,199 young guy, if you're eighteen, you sign it's three year 1084 01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:36,079 contract and at the end you're like, okay, cool, like 1085 01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:37,920 I get it, but you know, this is not what 1086 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,639 I'm gonna do with like my whole life. You can 1087 01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:43,440 just walk away and it's fine, and you have access 1088 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,280 to all the benefits that these guys talked about, the 1089 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,559 GI bill VA home loan, all that type of thing, 1090 01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:52,199 and you're not stuck for another five years doing something 1091 01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:55,440 that you hate every second of Conversely, if you do 1092 01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:58,679 three years and you're like, this is awesome, I can 1093 01:02:58,719 --> 01:03:02,360 see myself doing this for my career, you have a 1094 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,800 chance to if you want to switch to a different job, 1095 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:10,119 like you can reclassify into something that's more technical or 1096 01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:12,719 you know, has a bigger upside on the civilian market. 1097 01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:17,039 You can negotiate for schools that you want to go to, 1098 01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:20,840 you know, like like Paul mentioned, like Okay, I want 1099 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,199 to go to Sapper school, or I want to go 1100 01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:24,199 to Airborne school, or I want to do this or that. 1101 01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:28,519 Those get divvied out a lot of the time through 1102 01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:32,400 re enlistment. Like when you are re enlisting, like a 1103 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,159 recruiter wants you to do this. It's the same thing, 1104 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,360 you know, same model as like a like a corporate recruiter, 1105 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,679 like they want you to stick around and they get 1106 01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:46,639 rewarded for retention, and so do the short contract. If 1107 01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:49,280 you like what you're doing, then you can keep doing 1108 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,519 it and probably get a nice cash bonus or like 1109 01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:56,000 a school or some type of favorable outcome. But if 1110 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,320 you don't like what you're doing, there's not an easy 1111 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,400 way out. So air on the side of the shorter contract. 1112 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,679 That's probably not what the recruiter is going to steer 1113 01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:08,400 you towards, because again, they want retention, they want longer 1114 01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:12,199 term contracts. Stick with the shorter contract would be my 1115 01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:16,280 advice unless you have a very specific reason to do otherwise. 1116 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,199 I would encourage anyone who's thinking about doing to just 1117 01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:21,559 stick with their shorter contract. 1118 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,000 Speaker 1: Anyone else closing thoughts doing once. 1119 01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:30,199 Speaker 2: I guess, if I guess, if mister Slaughter doesn't have 1120 01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:34,039 anything left, I'll talk for a little bit more. 1121 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,559 Speaker 3: I'll give you one I'll give you one thing. The 1122 01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:41,159 recruiter will lie to you, and if you know what 1123 01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:43,679 you want, go for it. Don't let them talk you 1124 01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:47,639 into anything else, because they will trick you because they 1125 01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:50,000 want to sign the line. To just keep that in mind. 1126 01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:53,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, real quickly, Paul, if I can just jump in 1127 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,639 for one second to that point the Army when I 1128 01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,679 join the Army, like what you sign up for, like 1129 01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:02,599 the that you sign up for, that's what you do 1130 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:05,760 in the sense, like if you go in and you 1131 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,519 sign up to be an in flight missile repairman, like 1132 01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:11,960 you're going to be an in flight missile repairman, assuming 1133 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,480 you pass the PT test and make it through basic 1134 01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:17,679 training and all that type of thing, if I remember right, 1135 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,639 The Marine Corps does not do that, Like they'll give 1136 01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:23,119 you like, okay, three options and you'll get like one 1137 01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:26,039 of them. I'm not sure if that's still how they 1138 01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:28,519 do it. Like when I was enlisting, like I had 1139 01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:30,360 talked to a Marine recruiter and he was like, yeah, 1140 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,239 I can't guarantee you that you'll be in the infantry. 1141 01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:34,800 And I was like, well, you know, no, thanks bro. 1142 01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:40,360 The Army can so, Like I don't know if that's 1143 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,000 how it still is, but make sure because some branches 1144 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,360 it's a guarantee. In some situations it's not. 1145 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Marine Corps does, but because it's a smaller branch, 1146 01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:55,000 it's again more competitive, So they always gear people towards 1147 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,239 what they call an open contract and then you pick 1148 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,280 three options and then it's what's called needs them Marine 1149 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,960 Corps and they fill you into whatever the Marine Corps needs. 1150 01:06:03,719 --> 01:06:06,559 You can get the specific in os. It's just a 1151 01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:09,599 lot of times the ones that people want infantry, you know, 1152 01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:11,800 things like that, those are already filled up and the 1153 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,480 recruiters trying to make his numbers in another place. But 1154 01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:18,920 that's usually what they'll do. They offer open contract, which 1155 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,719 just means that you're going to go do whatever the 1156 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:21,840 Marine Corps tells you to do. 1157 01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:25,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess, I guess kind of to round 1158 01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:29,360 this out, here's a good rule of thumb for because 1159 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,760 I know we didn't talk about the Navy or the 1160 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,079 Air Force at all. Uh, don't join the air Force 1161 01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:34,920 period because if you're the kind of guy who could 1162 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,599 make it into the Air Force, like, just go do 1163 01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:39,800 it on the civilian side anyway, because you like the 1164 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,400 Air Force. No, I know, we have friends who've served 1165 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,199 in the Air Force. Is not going to disparage it 1166 01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:46,800 too hard, but I would heavily advise against joining the 1167 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,960 Air Force for political reasons as much as anything else. 1168 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,599 It's probably the worst branch for that, although Navy is 1169 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,320 up there, but Navy, you can find Navy is the 1170 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,079 waspiest branch if you want to be like high class 1171 01:06:58,159 --> 01:06:59,960 or whatever. But you know, then you're in the name. 1172 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,559 But a good rule of thumb, a good rule of thumb. 1173 01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:09,079 Join the Army if you want to do a very 1174 01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:15,440 particular thing, whether that thing is infantry or artillery or 1175 01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:19,320 you know, new thing is like cyber security. It's actually 1176 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,280 if you want to get into cybersecurity, Army is one 1177 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,760 of the best ways to do that right now, because 1178 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,119 you'll get something like twenty thousand dollars worth of CERTs 1179 01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:29,599 civilian SERTs. You know just by going through AI T 1180 01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:36,320 that that's a seventeen series if you're interested. But besides that, 1181 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,000 like join the army if you want to do a thing, 1182 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,440 a very specific thing, Join the Marine Corps if you 1183 01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:48,159 want to be a marine, right like, if nothing can 1184 01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:50,599 replace being a marine for you, there, you know, it 1185 01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:52,719 doesn't matter what you do in the corps. You you 1186 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,599 will be a marine and you will have that marine culture. 1187 01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,079 It doesn't exist the same way in the Army. In 1188 01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:01,880 the infantry, yes, somewhat. And then you know, more specialized 1189 01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,239 like and like the engineers and the you know, I guess, 1190 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,239 I guess the calv I don't know about the calv 1191 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:08,559 The calves weird. 1192 01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:11,079 Speaker 4: It's different. 1193 01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:13,400 Speaker 2: Join join the navy if I mean, you know, if 1194 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,599 you're not joining the Navy to be an officer, then 1195 01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:18,800 like the don't join the navy. You can do a 1196 01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,000 follow up episode with Navy people to talk about what 1197 01:08:21,039 --> 01:08:23,439 the Navy can do for you. But uh, but but 1198 01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,199 you know that that's kind of a good rule of thumb. 1199 01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,159 Join the Army to do a thing, a very specific thing, 1200 01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,079 or to get a thing, a very specific thing. Join 1201 01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:34,960 the Marine Corps to be a marine. 1202 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 1: Right. 1203 01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:40,439 Speaker 2: That's that's what I got for you. And as always, 1204 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,039 as always, as always, before you sign that contract, look 1205 01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:48,800 in your look at yourself, look at what you want 1206 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:53,399 out of it, how much you're willing to give, and uh, 1207 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,520 and and why you're doing it. That's because if you 1208 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,319 have any doubt on any of those scores, you know you, 1209 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,720 no matter what they say or how they pressure you, 1210 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,960 you can always just refuse to sign the contract and 1211 01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:09,760 leave and you know, come back to a later point 1212 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,039 when you're more sure. So just be be cognizant of 1213 01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:15,000 those things, and I think I think you'll be fine. 1214 01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:19,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's finish this up by going around the 1215 01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:22,039 horn and doing plugs. We'll do it just the way 1216 01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:24,560 I see it on the screen, John Slaughter, what do 1217 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:25,039 you got? 1218 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,199 Speaker 3: Well, right now, I'm getting ready to release a I 1219 01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:31,359 sold five hundred copies of my books. I'm releasing a 1220 01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:35,079 special hardback edition with a new cover, so people can 1221 01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:38,840 be on the lookout for that. Other than that, you know, 1222 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,119 you can follow me on Twitter at j Slaughtter Esquire 1223 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,439 or check out my substack at Texas John Slaughter subsdack 1224 01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,119 dot com. 1225 01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:51,720 Speaker 4: Mister Fahrenheit, Join the Old Glory Club. 1226 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,640 Speaker 2: Support the Old Glory Club. Yeah, that's all. 1227 01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,239 Speaker 4: Hey. You can follow me on Twitter at short mag 1228 01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:03,119 sml E, or subscribe to n block Press my newsletter 1229 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,680 E n B l O c press dot com. Like 1230 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,079 Paul mentioned, calv is an option if probably best if 1231 01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:14,720 you're a member of the LGBT community. That's that's usually 1232 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,199 who's in the cavalry at this point. Back to you, Pete, 1233 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:20,399 Thank you very much. 1234 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:20,600 Speaker 2: Lee. 1235 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,399 Speaker 1: You know he's had to make me laugh. Gentlemen, Thank 1236 01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,600 you very much, thank you for joining me, thank you 1237 01:10:25,640 --> 01:11:03,399 for sharing all of your wisdom. 1238 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:46,760 Speaker 2: H