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Want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanyona show. I've
got a round table here today. All right, let's go
around the horn, John Slaughter, how you doing doing great?
Speaker 2: Pete?
Speaker 3: Glad to be back on this wonderful Friday night.
Speaker 1: All right, Paul Fahrenheit, how are you doing very well?
Speaker 2: Mister Pete. Thank you for having me back.
Speaker 1: You know somebody is going to mention the Spain series, right.
Speaker 2: Look, I actually I gotta sit down. We got to
like recompletely delete that and restart from episode one because
I actually just looked at the two volume history that
I intended on making that series about, and I'm like, oh,
I have to I have to actually read this before
we can do Spain justice.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad I love you like a brother because
that's the most spurgy thing I've ever heard. Lee Enfield,
there you.
Speaker 4: Doingly, Hey, what's up? Pet Thanks for having me all right?
Speaker 1: I invited you, gentlemen, I had. I got contacted by
somebody who was currently active duty and requested aide on
I guess what the military looks like now under Trump
and whether recommending that our guys join, whether that would
be a good thing or not. So two guys who
are were in and retired, one who's in active reserves
and three guys who I think will have not completely
different opinions, but they'll be varying opinions here. So I'm
just going to start around the horn. And well, let's
start with this. What do you what does everybody have
to say about the state of the military today? And slaughter,
why don't you jump off?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete, I mean as far as the state of
the military currently, I don't. I mean, obviously, I've been
out for all going on almost like what fourteen years now,
so from what I can see, it doesn't it appears
to be in a better state than it was previously
under Biden. It was under good It wasn't in a
great place under Obama, which was most of my time in.
And I think that even though it's on an upswing,
I don't see it as being a huge difference. I mean,
it takes a long time, and everybody here knows. You know,
Obama purged the Officer Corps of the good officers, and
I watched it when I was in. I always remind
everybody that it was the first time a non infantry
officer was made common out of the Marine Corps in
the history of the Marine Corps. It was under under Obama,
and that's a that's a lot of a lot of
negative consequences of his are going to take a long
time to overcome. So I think it's it's better. But
again that's coming from somebody who's.
Speaker 2: Been out for a while, so.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not one hundred percent confident that it's
anywhere close to where it was in the early Bush years.
Speaker 1: Before we go to the guy who is who's actually active. Now, Lee,
do you want to give your opinion what you see,
because I know you still read like army war college stuff,
so you you have your nose to the grindstone when
it comes to this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in a you know, similar similar situation as John.
Like I ets in two thousand and eight, so I've
been out, you know for quite a while, but I
through work, I have you know, pretty frequent occasion to
be in contact with the guys who are still in
or are in some component whether like reserve or guard
or something like that. And I kind of echo what
John said that it seems like things are you know,
somewhat improving in terms of like just the general approach
and the you know climate. I know, things were rough
under Obama, under Biden. So it seems you know, to
me as a you know, a former guy. I mean
to be clear, I'm not retired like you'd use the
word retired. I want to make sure that I'm clear
on that. I did one one contract in ETS, so
I'm not a twenty year guy. But it does seem
like right now things are probably on the up trend,
which is overdue. But you know, like I said, I've
been out for a while. When when I was in,
I mean, I was in under Bush and you know,
we can talk more about it later, but it seems
like it really suffered under Obama and then Biden, and
I like the the way that things seem to be
going from from the outside at this point. That Paul, So,
I'm going.
Speaker 2: On five years now. Now that's five five guard years,
so you know, take that for what it's worth. I
have a few more to go, so I'm I'm not
going to be out anytime soon. But what is it
but the the the state of the military that I
have seen in I I enlisted under Trump one. Last
year of Trump one, I was in you know, I
was I was I was in basic during the Summer
of Love, which was very interesting to hear the rumors
that were spread during that summer. And you know, then
I spent most of my quote unquote career under Biden.
I was discharged and I re enlisted under Biden, and
now I'm now I'm under Trump too, And let me
tell you it has I I'm kind of in concurrence
with these two gentlemen. It was very bad under Biden.
And that was you know, one of the only cool
things I ever got to do was I was at
the right place, right time, right security clearance to see
the fall of Kabul from a you know, from a
from an S two shop, which was pretty cool, but
also pretty demoralizing as to the to the state of
the high command. And you know, mister Slaughter mentioned purges
of high commands take generations to undo. You can't just
you can't just undo that immediately. You know, it takes
years to reach general officer, and it takes years to
undo the policies that general officers create. So however, that said,
there is some life in the army, at least in
the army. That's the perspective I have. There's some life
with this new shift from what's called coin warfare to
near peer. You'll hear about it a lot if you're
in the d O D world. The all these army
likes to throw around buzzwords, particularly higher up officers like
to throw them on buzzwords near peer, near peer, near peer,
near peer, near peer, and that has certainly put some
life in the army.
Speaker 1: Just make this a conversation now, I'll I'll jump in
if I if I have a question, or I think
we're a little too far off field, but anyone, anyone
can jump in now, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what as as as these things
typically go, whenever you're discussing an issue, typically the pro
side goes first, and then you know it gives the
the against side or the doubtful side time to cross examined.
So I will, I will. I have not been quiet
about telling our guys. Hey, I think joining the military
is a good idea. You can take this from someone
who is currently in, who lives with that sort of
damicles over his head every time, you know, pretty much
every every day, even if it's on a small level
than an active duty guy would. I believe it can
be a good idea, depending on who the individual is
and what it is they're looking to get right now.
As an upfront statement, if you're going active duty at all,
I would not recommend anyone sign anything other than a
three year contract. No fewer, no more. If you're going
to do it, a three year contract is vital. Why
because a three year contract active duty is what gives
you access to the bag. It gives you GI bill,
it gives you the VA home loan, it gives you
a whole variety of other goodies that are only available
after a certain period of active duty months. If you're
going to do this and do active duty, you would
be stupid if you were doing it for one or
two years. Now, there's a few circumstances. There's some moss
that give you top secret security clearance. That's another that's
a reason to do it is it's a good way
to get a clearance if you want to go in
defense or something to that effect. But other than a
very specialized way of doing that, like three years is
the I think the ideal time. Right now you can
get in, get your benefits, and at that three year
ets date, end of time and service. We're going to
use a whole bunch of acronyms and if we don't
stop to say what they are. The audience is going
to be left behind end of time and service, which
is your end date at that time. If you like
the Army, or you like the Navy, or wherever you enlist,
then you can extend. And if you don't, or if
you really really don't like living under it, then it's
just three years of your life. Time is a very
valuable commodity right now. But I'm pretty sure we have
three years at least, you know, at least at time
of recording, that's how long Trump has left in office.
So if you're going to do it active duty side,
that's what I would do. National Guard reserve side. You know,
there's a National Guard for the Army and the Air Force,
and there's a reserve for the Army, the Navy and
the Marine or and I think the air Force, so
you can you know, that's the part time commitment. Those
are more typically six year contracts initially, although you can
do fewer. With the National Guard, I'm a lot more,
you know, I don't have a recommendation as to how
long seeing is. How the service commitment is much shorter,
and I'll kind of I'll kind of go into a
second part of this before I open it up to
the other two gentlemen, reasons why I think you should
join the military, even right now. Number one, Trump is
the best commander in chief you're gonna get for a while,
or we've had for a while and you're probably gonna get,
although you know, God willing someone just as good comes
to replace him. Number Two, if you're a listless young
man who has literally nothing going on, or you're in
a bad situation, or you have no idea what to
do with your life, the military has always been there
as a sort of way out for it. You know,
you can. You can end a bad lease by enlisting.
You can move from a bad situation from enlisting if
you're if you're weak and whatever. It's not going to
make you a bodybuilder, but it'll certainly give you some
confidence and some accomplishment and some structure, you know, and
it'll pay you right. Benefits are great in terms of
health insurance and the like other thing pays. I mean
if you have dependence. I mean, if you have dependence,
that's a whole different calculus. Matter of fact, if you
have a family, I wouldn't recommend you enlist unless it's reserves.
But you know, specialized jobs there are. You know, I
could go into this more in depth later in the stream,
but there are a couple of very specific jobs. I
would recommend that the army particular. I'm gonna be very
Army centric, but I know a little bit about the
other branches. But there's specific jobs that you can break
into by enlisting or going to OCS that you couldn't
otherwise that'll be very valuable, both for yourself and for
for our thing. You know, there are a variety of
other things, but that's generally what it has to do
with is if you want some sort of job skill,
if you want a GI bill, which can functionally as
a go to college for free and they pay for
your rent and a bunch of other stuff, and you
can go be a lawyer, you can go be an
accountant or some other skilled professional, or an engineer. And
then there's via home loan where you can go and
purchase a house with zero percent down. It's a pretty
good way, pretty good loan, usually on pretty favorable interest rates.
It's a pretty good way to get home ownership in
the market. And that's not even talking about the veteran status,
which nullifies the bias against you if you are of
Caucasian descent, Veteran status kind of nullifies that to a
certain extent, that systemic bias against you because veterans are
a protected group under CRA if I remember correctly. So
those are a lot of the reasons. And I could
probably go more into detail about the job skills and
the like, but I've been talking for a while. But
in insummation, those are reasons why one of our guys
would want to enlist, even in today's day and age.
You know, obviously it's not going to be perfect, and
you know these are just the upsides. There are plenty
of downsides, which I'm sure we are going to get into,
but as far as the pro side goes, those are
reasons why you would want to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna echo a lot of what Paul had
to say. I'm kind of in a similar camp. I
think my advice if if somebody's wanting to join is
I would want to see who they are and what
their reasons are for joining. There there is a lot
to be gotten out of the military, as Paul mentioned,
especially when it comes to specialized skills or specialized moss
I would not recommend anybody go into combat arms, just
simply because when that is over, when you're when your
time and service is over, there's not a lot for
you to do. It doesn't confer a lot of skill
sets that transfer to this civilian world. Now, you can
always go go to college and use the gi bul
as he mentioned, but when it comes to getting out
and just getting a job, you're pretty much limited to
things like being a police officer, some form of law enforcement,
or you might could look in you know, FBI or
something like that, one of the three letter agencies. But
my recommendation would just be if that's something you really
want to do and you're going to be enlisted, look
for a specialized skill, you know, try to get as
high a score in the ASVAB or GT scores you
can and get one of those skills that essentially functions
as free trade school. I've known a lot of people
that did their time enlisted and had a you know,
whether it's being a nuke on a sub or being
a tech a radio tech, where they got out and
they were able to use those skills to make a
significant amount of money immediately after leaving, unlike someone like
myself who there's not a lot of transferable skills from
being a Ford observer to the civilian world. But my
main recommendation though would be is if if you are
a capable young man, the Officer Corps is where I
would recommend going, simply because of the skills you're going
to gain, uh, not just through OCS, but also the networking,
the clearance, the leadership skills you're going to learn in that,
and there's also a lot of opportunities in there. I
had a good friend of mine who was lucky enough
to come in as enlisted and in the Marine Corps
they call it the must we call them Mustangs. There
there are people that enlisted did some time, usually about
when they're about a staff sergeant, maybe a gunny. They
will put in a package and they'll basically get college
paid for. They'll get sent to r OTC, they'll do college,
they'll come back as a as a lieutenant. And he
did that and then turned around and got the Marine
Corps to pay for his law school, and so he
got to do three years of law school while getting
paid by the government and not having to do anything
but go to school. And he was getting paid as
a captain at the time, So there's a lot of
higher skills that can be achieved, especially you know, the
Navy is a good place for medical A lot of
people get their medical degree and then join the Navy
and have it paid off. So I think there's a
lot of benefits, but it's it's individual based. And if
if you're at the lower end of that rung and
you're trying to get out of a bad spot, or
you don't have a lot of prospects, the way to
go is to find a job that has transferable skills
for the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the transferable skills thing that like I agree largely
with that in sentiment, but I I don't know. I
would also offer like combat arms, like I was, infantry
and combat arms is appeal like when you're a young man,
like I'm thirty nine years old now and you know,
so it's not I'm aged out and looking back, it
was you know, probably you know, not the smartest thing
to join the infantry, you know, in the relatively early
period of like you know, g Watt, But I really,
you know, I've thought about it a lot over the years,
and at this point, I don't think I would trade
it for anything. So I wouldn't necessarily like if you're
a young guy, if you're you know, seventeen eighteen nineteen
and you just have that itch where it's like I
just want to go, like I don't know, choose some
dirt somewhere and just see what that's all about. I
wouldn't write it off. And you know that's that's more
of like an impulsive decision than something where you're thinking
like long term about like career prospects and financial security
and things like that. So you know, take this advice,
you know, with a grain of salt, because I mean
I remember, you know, during my ETS process, like you
I assume the military still does something like this where
you you go through like a series of out processing.
It was called a CAP at the time, but you
know they try to help you like write a resume
and you know, teach you about you know, finding jobs
and stuff like that. And you know, I remember the
lady who was doing it was just like, oh yeah,
you were in the infantry, Like you're you're not going
to find a job, you know, because you know, you
remember this is like ETS ing into the Great Recession, right,
so like you know, I got out and there was,
there was practically no jobs, you know, anywhere. It was
very difficult to find even entry level work. You know,
I've done okay since then, but yeah, if you're if
you're someone who's looking for like long term aspects in
terms of job security or like a technical field or
something like that, and you don't otherwise have access, like
if you're you're not from the financial means to just
go ahead, you know, directly into like a college route.
The military is definitely a viable option for that. But
I would also make the appeal to any young guys who.
Speaker 2: You know, like.
Speaker 4: I there were I was not the only guy in
the infantry who was there by choice, right Like there,
you would be surprised who you meet in combat arms, Moss.
Some of the smartest guys I've ever met were there,
And it's it's not it's kind of like a meme
on the Internet where you talk about like everyone's a
retard in the infantry or they're all crayon eaters and
stuff like that, But that's not the case. You meet
some really interesting guys, some really great people, and a
lot of them are you know, are very intelligent, and
you get to go out and you know, basically have
adventures with those guys and it sucks a lot of
the time, but I always look back on it fondly
with you know, notable and but rare exception. And if
there's you know, guys out there who are going to
listen to this, who are seventeen eighteen who are thinking, well,
you know, maybe I could go straight into college and
I could do something that's like, you know, respectable. I
could be an account intern, attorney or something like that.
But I also kind of have this itch where I
want to like jump out of planes and you know,
just go do stuff like that, and some god forsaken hell. Hold,
it's you know, going to be a complicated and messy situation,
and I just want to kind of test myself with that.
Don't write it off, because that's you know, that's a
big part too. So that's not that's not going to
be for everybody. Like you have to give yourself to
it and it can show you up. It's it's a
you know, it's a test of what you're willing to
tolerate and put up with mentally to maintain like the
right attitude with it. But I wouldn't say write it off,
like definitely way, you know, way, what your priorities are,
and what would you think your disposition is and what
you feel like you would be willing to tolerate and uh,
you know put yourself to and yeah, of course, like
the smart money is always on making money, but don't
write off the the you know, adventure aspect of it too.
So I would from the young guys, I would definitely
give combat arms a look for just for that reason.
But otherwise I agree with what these two gentlemen have said.
There are you know, from a purely financial status standpoint,
h there are you know a lot of benefits. The
military is well funded and it opens a lot of doors.
Speaker 2: So to the point on comb at arms that we've
already spoken about, you know, I'm not in disagreement with
either of you. If you're if you're not going to
get a job after the military, you don't know how
you're going to get a job after the military, maybe
you should give combat arms a second thought. But for
those of you who feel like you're gonna need combat
experience for whatever reason that you think you're going to
need combat experience, I'll leave I'll leave that you know undefined,
for whatever reason that you think you're going to need
combat experience, combat arms is the way to go, and
very specific combat arms refers to in the Army, it
is a infantry, cavalry, field artillery. I guess air defense
artillery as well, although the engineers, though they're not technically
a combat arms mos, do experience combat just as much
as infantry do. If you're a twelve Bravo, which is
a combat engineer, they're always attached to the eleven bravos,
which are the infantryment. These are moss, which are military
occupational specialties. That's your job. It's always in the Army,
at least it is two numbers and a letter, and
I don't know how I know. In the Marine Corps
it works a similar way, not the exact same way,
but for those of you who feel like you're going
to need combat experience right now. The National Guard, which
if you are not familiar with, the National Guard is
one of the two halves of the reserve components of
the US Army and the US Air Force. It is
a state based military, although it has the capacity to
be federalized, and it falls under the same chain of command,
the same uniforms, the same rank structure, the same training
you will do training alongside active duty people. If you
join the National Guard, however, you will primarily act in
what is called a Title thirty two capacity, which is
the area of US law that's covered. That's state level law,
as opposed to a Title ten capacity, which is federalized. Right,
so I learned this recently. You're actually not if you're
a guardsman or your Title thirty two, you're not even
under what's called UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which is a military law. If you're a Title thirty
two guardsman, you're actually under your respective state Code of
Military Justice, like if you're in Texas the TCMJ or
the Texas Code of Military Justice or wherever else, and
all fifty states have one. Usually it's a carbon copy
of the UCMJ. But the reason that I'm telling this
about the National Guard is that right now, well number
one fifty, at least half more than half I think
of the US Army's combat capacity is within the National Guard.
This was very consciously done after the Vietnam War to
prevent the sort of foreign adventurism that that could bring about. Unsuccessfully,
of course, but National Guard has forward deployed as much
as active duty to has has won almost as many
medals of honor, done as much combat experience, et cetera,
et cetera. And right now, actually, given that g Watt
has sort of drawn down, right now, you are more
likely to go on a combat deployment or to get
on a combat deployment if you are in the National
Guard than if you are on active duty. That's not
to say active duty doesn't combat deploy and in active
duty you'll have the opportunity to do far more specialized
training such as airborne school, air assault school, pathfinder school,
all the cool guy stuff that you see ranger school
sapp or school, et cetera, et cetera that give you
very specialized military skills. You'll have more of a because
national Guard is broke. National Guard is usually not very
not as well funded as the active duty, so the
opportunities to do things are fewer. However, you are more
likely to be deploy Floyd oversea for that exact reason.
Because right now, it's this very perverse calculus. The federal
government deploys national Guard units more than active duty because
national Guard units are cheaper to send overseas than active
duty ones. And this is for very complicated finance and
insurance reasons. But I digress, And this isn't even I'm
sure we'll at some point talk about special forces and
the capacities for things similar to that. But if for
whatever reason, you, as a listener, feel like you're going
to need some or at least something resembling combat experience,
the National Guard, and I would even very specifically say
National Guard Infantry eleven Bravo is probably the way to go.
Speaker 1: I was going. I'm glad Paul brought that up because
I was actually going to ask that question about very
specifically what he said, if you feel that it will
be useful to you in the future, whether that consideration
was something that you guys had thought about. Had you
had you thought about that, Uh, mister.
Speaker 3: Slaughter, Yeah, I've considered that. I think first of all,
there's one of the big distinctions between the Marine Corps
and the the Army is that everybody in the Marine
Corps goes to oh, I can't remember the name of
the school. Now, we go to School of Infantry obviously
if you're your combat arms, but if you're not, you
go to After you finish boot camp, you go to
a secondary school where it's essentially a condensed and very
short version of school of Infantry, so you learn all
of the the basic infantry tactics because the Marine Corps
has this philosophy that every every Marine is a rifleman, right,
So it doesn't matter what mos you pick in the
Marine Corps, you're gonna get at least a basic functioning level.
I mean, you're not going to be great, but you're
going to have more skills in the average person space
if you if you keep up on those skills and
you actually make an effort to retain and learn those things. Now,
it's not the same as going uh to school of Infantry,
but I do think I would say as much as
I would discourage most people from it still Uh. To
Lee's point and to Paul's as well, there's a particular
type of young man that you can't worn away from that.
And I was like that. My My uncle was extremely
high up in the Air Force, uh, you know, and
he was right around the time he's going to be
a pin fulbird colonel. He tried really hard to talk
me out of the Marine Corps. But mine the only
reason I wanted to join the military was to do
to do cool shit in my mind, right, so there
was no other option. And I think for those type
of young men, I would say, if that's really something
you want to do, because you just can't shake that
and you need to do that and you want to
learn those skills, keep in mind and it's difficult, and
I don't know about the army, but you can always
what's called a Latin move, you can move from one
MOS to another later on, so you could technically, and
it's a risk because you don't know if you're always
going to get it, but you can do your your
you know, most contracts in the Marine Corps four years.
You do your four years, and when your time to
re enlist comes up, you can put in a package
to move to a different MOS. So you could, hypothetically,
you know, in eight years, you could get both the
skills from from being in an infantryman or even a
tanker some other form of combat arms and then move
over to a more specialized skill or go to college
as I mentioned earlier, with like the Mustang program. So
I think for those specific guys, I would say, you know,
you're you're not going to be satisfied unless you do it.
Than do it. But if you're looking for anything other
than that, then I would I would stick away from it.
Speaker 4: Do you have anything to add to that, Lee, No,
I think that's right on the money. It's really you know,
it's a matter of preference. And you know everyone like no,
two guys fight the same war, right like everyone If
you join the military, everyone joins for their own personal
reasons in addition to the normal uh you know cliches
that you hear, but everyone, uh, you know, takes something
away from it, and everyone's in it for a different reason.
So if it is absolutely the best advice, like what
John is saying, what Paul is saying, like, hey, keep
the future in mind. Do you know the smart money
is on some type of technical field career, you know,
degree program for sure, Like I you know, I agree
with that, you know, and Paul is right. The National Guard,
especially their infantry units, stay very busy. So if you
are a young guy who just like, look, I just
want to do three years and you know, get into
a fight basically, then that that's that's where you would
you would go. Is you know, an infantry unit in
the army, it's like the National Guard component.
Speaker 1: Well so sorry, sorry, go ahead, Paul, you had well'll
finish what you're saying, and let me see if you're
going to say what I.
Speaker 2: Was, Well, I was going to I was going to
launch into a whole tangent on special forces.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was going to ask you got okay.
Speaker 2: So, so we've talked a lot about here, like there's
two different primary reasons to join the military, and this
has been very Army and Marine Corps heavy. We can
to a certain extent talk about the Air Force and
the Navy a little bit towards the latter end of
this stream. But if we've talked a lot about technical skills,
and we've talked a lot about the desire for combat experience. Right,
But if you are the type of person who can
either either has or can cultivate a inner strength and
discipline to make it possible if you want both a
technical skill set and combat experience, the way to do
so is special forces. A right, So what is special forces? Well,
special forces literally actually only applies to Army special forces.
But you know, so cam Special Operations Command, every branch
of the military has their own unit of special forces.
With the Army, it's the it's the green Berets or
its Raineer Regiment, and then of course you know there's
Delta Force, but you know, and then more specialized ones
like I s A or the the Activity is or
or or I s A the Activity and another nickname.
The Army of Northern Virginia are all one specialized, uh
sub unit of that. You can you can make this
ever ever more and more and more granular, but that's
the Army. The Navy, of course, everyone knows about the
Navy Seals, and they also know about dev grew Marines.
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure they still have the
raiders and the Marine scout snipers and then Marine Recon
are all kind of of that category of special forces.
And then the Air Force they have the pair of
rescue men. I think I think I covered all of them.
They're they're I'm sure I forgot someone's unit, but each
of them have a different specialty and some of them
are available. So you know how I talk about the
National Guard. A lot of people don't know this, but
the National Guard has green Berets, it has special forces.
Nineteenth and twentieth Group are two National Guard. I think
your your other guest, Clay Martin was in one of them.
You know, you can be in Special Forces part time
in the National Guard. It's one of the better kept
secrets in the army. A lot of people don't know
about it. But yes, you do have Special Force and
you do the exact same Special Forces training and you
depl eployee justice I don't want to say just as all,
or you can deploy just as often as active duty
special forces. And but that's specifically Green Berets. Green Berets
have a very specific combat profile. They're the ones the
most familiar with. You have different specialty sergeants that all
specialize because because the coole concept with green Berets is
that you can if you want to see what the
concept is, watch the movie The Green Berets. It communicates
it very well. But the whole point is that they're
supposed to go into an area and be able to
perform with that small team of people just about any
task that they can perform. So if you and they
will get you will get combat experience. So if you
want that uh and a heavily technical skill set, they
are trained very well on each of their respective career fields.
I think there's an engineer, sergeant, medical, sergeant, uh signal sergeant,
which is you know it and radios so you'll know
a little bit about all of that, and weapons sergeant
if you just want to, you know, want to be
a cool guy. Ranger Regiment, on the other hand, is
a lot more just a very very very very high
speed line infantry unit. You will get more than your
more combat than you like. And it's also a very
competitive culture, very hard to get into, very hard to
even harder to stay in than it is to get in.
And I would imagine it's the exact same thing in
the Marine Corps, but the Marine Corps. That's how it's
been explained to me, the Marine Corps raiders and the
Scout snipers is it's all one hundred and ten percent
all the time, and if you can't hack it, you're out.
I don't know much about the PJS, and I don't
know much about the Seals, although I assume the Seals
are similar to the Marine Corps. And you know, the
Seals are the most famous ones. I'm sure y'all know
all about them. But yeah, that's that's Special Forces. I know,
we've got plenty of not only we've got a ton
of veterans that hang around the scene. But we've got
even more than our fair share of XSF of various varieties.
So I'm sure if any of y'all have any further
questions on that, you can speak to one of them.
I've done it. I've spoken to them about it. They're
usually very happy to share information.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to piggyback on the thing. So
the Marine Corps is a lot different obviously in a
lot of ways. When I was in one of the
things that the Marine Corps raiders originated in during World
War Two, and they were they were disbanded not long
after the war, mostly because of the Marine Corps had
this idea that they they didn't need special forces, that
everybody there, our infantry was supposed to be up uh
on par with the ability of what was considered i
guess special forces at the time. So you'll hear and
you know, Lee and Paul might not like this, but
the Marine Corps kind of looks at like our our
infantry on par as being just as good as rangers.
Now people can go back and forth on that, but
because of that sort of idea, there hasn't really been
special forces when I was in, you had there as
he mentioned, you had Forced Recon, you had scout snipers
who famously got in trouble for using certain symbols when
I was in But I digress. The point is is
the they realized where the money was going, and they
brought in what they called MARSOK, and MARSOK was Marine
Corps Special Operations Command that is recently shifted to taking
over the old Raiders name, and I think that was
a few years ago, and it was largely because a
lot of the money was going into two special forces
and the Marine Corps didn't really have anything other than
Force Recon and scout snipers. So that's a relatively new thing.
But the Marine Corps, if you're wanting to do special forces,
I would actually recommend the Army because it's easier in
the Army or in the National Guard to get into
special forces. The Marine Corps is very selective. And I
don't know if this has changed, but for example, whether
it was it was MARSOK or EOD, most branches the
other three branches will allow you to enlist, you know,
under those moss the Marine Corps you had to have
done four years already and you had to be I
think either a sergeant or you were going to pick
up sergeant before they would even let you go to
those schools in the first place. So it's not as
easy to get on that path in the Marine Corps.
I think it's a it's an easier route if you
take the National Guard or the Army in that regard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think to that point, the Army's program for
that is the eighteen X program. Like the MOS identifier
for ARMYSF is eighteen series. So unless it's changed, as
far as I know, it's still the eighteen X program.
But it like if you're a young man and you
go talk to a recruiter and you say, you know,
I want to be a Special Forces guy, they may
bring up the eighteen X program. That has a very
very high rate of failure. Like your odds of going
from you know, eighteen year old, nineteen year old civilian
all the way through the pipeline to being like a
long taber is very low, Like like your your chance
of success with that is very low. So for anyone
who's considering like joining with with like a long term
goal of going into the Special Forces, I can only
speak to the like the availability in the Army because
I was in the Army. I was not in Special Forces,
but it's not you know, difficult to try out to
be in special forces in the Army, Like the slots
are not as guarded as I think they are in
some of the smaller branches. So like, if you are
a guy who wants to eventually try for special forces,
the Army is probably the best way to go. But
it is not a great idea in my opinion, to
go to a recruiter as an eighteen year old and say, hey,
I want to you know, take this eighteen X program
where I go straight from you know, being a high
school senior to like a Green Beret pipeline. Because the
odds are that that physically you probably don't have like
the the stamina and the discipline or the endurance to
you know, make it through that that entire pipeline, or
just the basic soldiering skills. Like a lot of the
like I was in the eighty second Airborne and so
like a big percentage of guys in the eighty second
are guys who wash out of some part of the
SF pipeline. Because you know, the JFK Special Warfare Centers
is on Fort Bragg and so you know, guys come
in and they try for SF, they they get hurt
or they wash out or something like that, and then
they end up in the line eighty second units. And
so I knew a lot of guys who are like this,
and most guys would just say like, yeah, man, I
just frankly like I was not mentally ready for like
what this is asking of me. And that's fair, Like
I think it's it's probably kind of a dick move
by the Army to entice eighteen year olds and say
that you're gonna there's a chance you could become a
Green Beret when there's a very low success rate of
like completing that whole pipeline. And so if it's something
that you're thinking about, there are plenty of options to
get into like the SOCOM community through joining the Army,
of course, But I would just advise people to maybe
steer away from the eighteen X program just on the
premise that it's not really geared for you to succeed.
It's geared you know, like every now and again, like
if you read the statistics on it, maybe fifteen sixteen
percent of dudes make it through the pipeline straight straight
through the ex program, but it's that's not very good
odds and your soldiering skills. And I don't mean like just.
Speaker 2: Like being a cool dude.
Speaker 4: I mean like, like, how how strong are you at
reading like a topographic map under a red light when
it's really cold outside and you're under a time hack
like you Unless you have like very strong skills with
like land nav or like working under pressure or something
like that, you are probably not where you need to
be to complete the eighteen x pipeline. So I'm not
saying don't try for Special Forces or anything like that.
I mean that stuff's cool, but just you know, if
you're listening to this as a guy getting out of
high school or you know, way in college or something,
I would advise people away from the aten X program
just for those reasons.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up. That's yeah, eighteen X
ray is very very very much as a trap, and
I've met more than my fair share of dude who
who fell for it. And that's just simply because special
Forces is extreme, like Green Berets very specifically, which eighteen
x ray is selecting for, is extremely mentally and physically challenging.
You know, like you were mentioning Lee, you know, and
I'm sure mister slaughter you also understand this is it's
like you a lot of that is just simply you
don't know how well you can cope with being in
one hundred and twenty degree like eighty percent humidity weather
with a very heavy rocksack and your weapon and your ammunition,
and you're dehydrated and you've been running frigging lanes all
day and now you have to you know, rock march
like eight ten twelve miles to your BIV site where
you're going to be spending the night, and it's probably
not going to be and you've been up since like
zero five, and you're going to be basically up until
maybe twenty three maybe if you're lucky, maybe later, right,
just to do the same thing over again tomorrow and
the next day and the next day. That's that's kind
of like you're not gonna know how well you cope
with that until you're there and you have to. So
that's that's kind of what that's what Lee is sort
of talking about when he's saying like basic soldiering skills,
it's literally it's just you don't you don't know how
you'll deal with it until you have to deal with it.
So those are those are things to keep in mind,
you know, even something like Ranger regiment, like the alternative
for eighteen X ray that he said is is option forty.
I don't know if they still do it, but this
was to get into Range regiment. Even something like Ranger
regiment isn't as mentally demanding the same way that Special
Forces is certainly more physically demanding. But if you're you know,
like like I've I've seen plenty of high school aged
beasts and a lot of them make it through. Really,
Ranger regimen is just is just how much utter suck
can you endure? But you don't really need to think
too hard, right, Special Forces is not that at all.
Special Forces is not only do you need to endure
a great deal of physical suck, you also need to
be able to continue properly mentally functioning and perform somewhat
complex tasks while enduring that physical suck. And that's why,
you know, that's why a lot of people, especially young
eighteen year olds who don't know a lot about anything,
kind of get sucked into it. But for those of you, who,
let's say, are a little bit older, or who are
already in or who are been thinking about it for
a while, and you've got some more experience with life,
and you know more about yourself, and you're more disciplined,
and you're more physically conditioned, and you've been in relatively
hard circumstances. Right this is certainly something for you to
consider a lot more. I even heard something last time
I was at the schoolhouse. I heard something how they're
not really selecting anyone younger than twenty eight right now.
It's very rare for them to select someone in their
early twenties. And that's actually a big difference between Army
Special Forces or even something like Delta Force and the
Navy Seals, because the Navy Seals are all like eighteen
to early twenties guys. Because there's a there's a huge
culture of physicality with it that Delta Force, and as
all the Delta forces, way far and beyond what I
think most people listening to this like that's something that
they'll call you. You don't need to worry about that,
but you know that's why, you know, matter of fact,
that's why Navy Seals have so many of the scandals
that they have is because you take a bunch of
like freaking eighteen early twenty somethings, and yeah, they're physical specimens,
but you know, then you give them all of this
this adulation and this and this fame and this praise
that like, oh, you're the best thing since sliced bread
because you're a Navy seal, et cetera. You're the best
of the whole special forces. And that's why they have
all these you know, horrible things that they do, because
it's you know, the environment, isn't there with with SF
RMYSF and Delta force, they select for late twenties, even
early thirties in some instances, which is a whole you know,
I'm sure all of you. I mean, I'm the youngest
one here, but all of you, gentlemen, you know understand
that you know, just the physiological changes that happened to
a young man when he gets to about the age
of twenty eight alone, calm you down in a way
that that that you know, only time can so. But
unless anyone I think that's that's a great deal of
words that have been said on SF, Well.
Speaker 3: Paul, I want to jump a little bits to kind
of piggyback off the Navy seal thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I know in the Army they have they have medics
in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 3: We don't have that. We have a Navy corman. And
one of the most common jobs for guys who wash
out of buds is to become a Navy corman. And
this is a job that you know, obviously I was
in a Navy and nobody here was. But if you're
not looking, you know at the Marine Corps in the Army,
which is what we've been mostly talking about, and there's
certain skills you want to acquire. The Navy corman program
is is a really to be a common we call
a greenside corman. Those are corman that work with marine
in that you have blue side, which are you know,
mostly naval hospitals and on ship. But if you can
get in on as a green side corman through the Navy,
you're going to get some basic combat skills, but also
combat medic skills, which yin in the future could be
extremely valuable. So I just I think that's an option
for some people to look at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now and now that you mentioned that, I know,
Lee you probably had something to say. But now that
you mentioned that, that reminds me you don't have to
go the full way, all the way to Special Forces
in order to get some of the skills that they
teach you. Something similar to that that happens army side,
not exactly the same things as medical, but more on
the engineering side of the house. If you join as
a twelve series twelve Bravo twelve November, you know, the
Engineer series. In the Army, you can go to something
called Sapper School, which is similar to Ranger School, although
it's half as long and it's it's you know, it's
Ranger School is not the same as going to Ranger Regiment.
I mentioned that earlier. It's not the same. Uh, it's
technically not related at all. But Saper School teaches you,
you know, improvised explosives, repelling, uh, tactical combat operations the
same way Ranger School would And that's a lot of
the skills that are taught there are similar to what
people in Special Forces are taught. So if you just
if you just want to get some of those skills now,
it's certainly it's a very demanding school. You know that,
there's there's a joke with people with Sapper tabs who
see people with ranger tabs, they say, oh, ranger school,
that must have been easy, you know. But but but
like that's that's certainly something that you can do. You
don't have to go full hog all the way to
like getting your green beret and being you know, one
of America's best and the chosen few, et cetera, et cetera.
There's plenty of ways that you even if you don't
even go to SAPER school, if you just go regular
the twelve Bravo route, it already teaches you some of
that typical demolition combat sapper stuff you know, uh that
the army teaches. So there's there's there's more than one
way is to skin a cat. And you don't need
to like there's a certain you know what we call
in the service economy of force, right, you don't need
to do more than you need to do. Right. If
you really need to get that like ultimate deep, far
reaching experience that you know group will give, you, then
do so. But if you just want some like basic
you know, not not basic but semi more advanced soldiering skills,
then let's say your average Joe something like that, like
the Navy, the Greenside corpman mister Slaughter mentioned, or or
something like Sapper school, or even just being a typical
combat engineer. You know, you'll you'll learn plenty of the
infantry you know, squad platoon, company based tactics, and then
you'll also learn, uh, the more of like the the
battlefield transformation abilities that an engineer has. So and it's
not limited to those. There are other things in in
the Marine Corps and if you're really on combat stuff,
you know that there's things like that that you can do.
Just to understand that you don't have to do more
than you have to do.
Speaker 1: Can I interchecked and bring something up something that hasn't
been mentioned yet? And probably people who are listening, I'm
probably wondering, I haven't heard anybody mention patriotism yet, so
want to address that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll be honest, and I don't know how
the other two gentlemen feel. When I joined, don't. I
don't know anybody who joined for those reasons. About ninety
percent of the people it was a family. It was
either a family tradition of some capacity, or they just
wanted to go. And I mean, I'll be frank, A
lot of you know, if you ask a lot of
the young infantry guys. They just want to go blow
stuff up and shoot somebody or go on an adventure.
That's what they want. I don't know, I mean, to me,
at least, the patriots and patriotism was sort of secondary.
I didn't you're really fighting to the for the guy
to your left and your right, That's that's what it's
really about. So I never really saw that. And and
you know, Lee kind of mentioned this earlier. That's that's
the type of people that join the infantry. And you'll
you'll find the imagery has some of the smartest individuals
you'll ever meet and the dumbest at the same time.
And the one thing they sort of have in common
for the most part is that they just wanted to
do cool shit. So I don't know, you know, And
and I might also be in a particularly strange boat
with the the patriotism thing because my family's history and
being so tied to the Confederacy, I've never had a
strong sense of American pride. So the other two might
have have more to say on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, like I largely I'm going to echo what
what mister Slaughter is saying, because I don't like I'll
be to some extent like the corny elder millennial, like
you know, I was, you know, I mean I remember
watching nine to eleven happen. I was in high school.
I was still too young to join the army, but
some of my buddies who were like ahead of me
were able to, like, you know, it was like, oh shit, man,
we got you know, attack, like we're gonna go fuck
somebody up. And like obviously we've seen how that played out.
I'm not saying that that was like, you know, like
a brilliant political you know plan or something forty bunch
of you know, dickhead high school kids in Florida, But
you know, when you're sixteen and like you watch something
like nine to eleven happen, and especially before the age
of like social media and Wi Fi and stuff, it
has i don't know, more like a legacy feel. And
so there was like a sentiment of like, okay, bro,
like we're all like almost old enough to do on
the army, like you know, so let's let's go do it.
And that was a factor to an extent. And I
know that's like a quaint idea. In twenty twenty five,
knowing now what we know about you know, how GAT
played out, and also the incentives or you know, perverse
incentives that were at work there. But you know, for
for you know, at this point, I don't know how
much of a factor it is. For guys, I will
say that, you know, just because I think, you know,
just my meritive age, the and the circumstance, like that
was a factor at the time. But if I'm being
totally honest, most of it was like that's kind of
like a justification for being eighteen and wanting, you know,
to go do cool shit. So like you could pin
it on patriotism and say like, you know, yeah, man,
stars and stripes, like you know, Toby Keith whatever, and
that's like maybe twenty five percent of it, But most
of it was just that internal voice that's like, hey, man,
like there's a war going on, aren't you curious? Like,
you know, don't you want to go fight in that?
Like maybe maybe it's allowsy war, but it's the only
one we got, man, you know, don't why don't you
go fucking check that out? Like what are you gonna
go do? Like you know, dick with spreadsheets in college?
Like there's an actual shooting, war going on, and so
that that was probably more of a factor if I'm
being honest. I mean it sounds shitty to say, but
you know, I don't mean it from like a cynical standpoint.
I just mean that that's, you know, kind of how
it was, and I think that's how it was for
a lot of guys. But there was also mixed in
some earnest patriotism, even if maybe it was misguided at hindsight.
Speaker 2: This is all, like you know, the stuff about job
skills we were talking about earlier, Like there's easier ways
to get job skills if you have the means to
or the scruples too. I would imagine if you like
the place you're from enough to you know, suffer uniform
service for an extended period of time, even if it
is for political reasons, Like there's there's easier ways to
do all this.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not saying you should probab. I'm
not saying you should go volunteer in the Ukraine because
you shouldn't do that. I don't advise that, but there
are people who are doing that, who are who are
getting cutting combat experience or you know, joining a Blackwater
isn't around anymore, but there are various companies that do
what Blackwater does. Like that this isn't the only way
to do this stuff. But I'd imagine if if you're
doing this, you like the place you're from and the
people that inhabit that place too enough of an extent
that you're willing to consider this. But the the whole
thing about patriotism, I mean, that's that's I mean, honest,
more than these More than these two guys. I grew
up with, you know, watching the Military History Channel, and
you know, the my image of the US Army growing
up was that it was just this invincible, unstoppable force
and the road to Baghdad and desert storm and you know,
da da da da. I I was a particular, particularly
weird young kid. And even even that, of course, proved
completely insufficient to face the world that I was going into.
And it, you know, broke very quickly in you know,
any vestiges of it that I had broke when I
first encountered this scene, and then you know, and then
when I went to basic training, it broke even further,
and then it was finally fully shattered when twenty twenty
one happened, and I saw the pull out of Kabul
and was ordered to take the vaccine at the at
the same time. But you know, I'm I'm still here,
I'm still in it, and you know they're there's not
zero of it, as these other two gentlemen have said,
you know, but it's like, what is what is patriotism? Right?
Is it? Is it liking the place you're from? Or
is it this? Is it this very kitch ideological commitment
that's almost like a little bit too much. That's actually
a little bit off putting. It makes people slightly uncomfortable.
That's what people, i'd say, imagine when you have the
Toby Keith and the USO shows and stuff like that.
But again, you know, the plate of the era that
you're in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the uh, patriotism is a you know,
it's a word. It could even be a trope. Serving
your country is probably the same, but it makes a
little more. I guess it says a little more, it
describes a little more. So yeah, I guess that was
the That was a kind of response I was expecting
from you guys. So, y'all are the experts were coming
up on an hour? Have we missed anything. Do you
think we've missed anything.
Speaker 2: Screw the Navy in the Air Force, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah to I guess re emphasize some like practical
advice that these guys have mentioned, because it is important
if you're, you know, a young person thinking about doing this.
I think it was Paul who mentioned that, but maybe
I have that backwards. Sign a shorter contract. You can
always extend to your contract, and the Army will give
you the stuff to extend it. So for example, if
you go into the recruiter's office and you get you know,
honey dicked into signing an eight year contract and you
end up hating what your job is and hating the Army,
like it's going to be pretty bad, Like there's not
a graceful way to get out of the Army because
you just don't want to be there. Like it's it's
difficult to just say like, hey, I don't want to
do this, and it has right and those have long
term like if you get you know, discharged under like
other than honorable circumstances, it's it's gonna follow you pretty
much everywhere.
Speaker 2: So it happened to me I would not recommend right.
Speaker 4: So so sign a short contract because if you hate
it and and you know, especially if you're like a
young guy, if you're eighteen, you sign it's three year
contract and at the end you're like, okay, cool, like
I get it, but you know, this is not what
I'm gonna do with like my whole life. You can
just walk away and it's fine, and you have access
to all the benefits that these guys talked about, the
GI bill VA home loan, all that type of thing,
and you're not stuck for another five years doing something
that you hate every second of Conversely, if you do
three years and you're like, this is awesome, I can
see myself doing this for my career, you have a
chance to if you want to switch to a different job,
like you can reclassify into something that's more technical or
you know, has a bigger upside on the civilian market.
You can negotiate for schools that you want to go to,
you know, like like Paul mentioned, like Okay, I want
to go to Sapper school, or I want to go
to Airborne school, or I want to do this or that.
Those get divvied out a lot of the time through
re enlistment. Like when you are re enlisting, like a
recruiter wants you to do this. It's the same thing,
you know, same model as like a like a corporate recruiter,
like they want you to stick around and they get
rewarded for retention, and so do the short contract. If
you like what you're doing, then you can keep doing
it and probably get a nice cash bonus or like
a school or some type of favorable outcome. But if
you don't like what you're doing, there's not an easy
way out. So air on the side of the shorter contract.
That's probably not what the recruiter is going to steer
you towards, because again, they want retention, they want longer
term contracts. Stick with the shorter contract would be my
advice unless you have a very specific reason to do otherwise.
I would encourage anyone who's thinking about doing to just
stick with their shorter contract.
Speaker 1: Anyone else closing thoughts doing once.
Speaker 2: I guess, if I guess, if mister Slaughter doesn't have
anything left, I'll talk for a little bit more.
Speaker 3: I'll give you one I'll give you one thing. The
recruiter will lie to you, and if you know what
you want, go for it. Don't let them talk you
into anything else, because they will trick you because they
want to sign the line. To just keep that in mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, real quickly, Paul, if I can just jump in
for one second to that point the Army when I
join the Army, like what you sign up for, like
the that you sign up for, that's what you do
in the sense, like if you go in and you
sign up to be an in flight missile repairman, like
you're going to be an in flight missile repairman, assuming
you pass the PT test and make it through basic
training and all that type of thing, if I remember right,
The Marine Corps does not do that, Like they'll give
you like, okay, three options and you'll get like one
of them. I'm not sure if that's still how they
do it. Like when I was enlisting, like I had
talked to a Marine recruiter and he was like, yeah,
I can't guarantee you that you'll be in the infantry.
And I was like, well, you know, no, thanks bro.
The Army can so, Like I don't know if that's
how it still is, but make sure because some branches
it's a guarantee. In some situations it's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Marine Corps does, but because it's a smaller branch,
it's again more competitive, So they always gear people towards
what they call an open contract and then you pick
three options and then it's what's called needs them Marine
Corps and they fill you into whatever the Marine Corps needs.
You can get the specific in os. It's just a
lot of times the ones that people want infantry, you know,
things like that, those are already filled up and the
recruiters trying to make his numbers in another place. But
that's usually what they'll do. They offer open contract, which
just means that you're going to go do whatever the
Marine Corps tells you to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess, I guess kind of to round
this out, here's a good rule of thumb for because
I know we didn't talk about the Navy or the
Air Force at all. Uh, don't join the air Force
period because if you're the kind of guy who could
make it into the Air Force, like, just go do
it on the civilian side anyway, because you like the
Air Force. No, I know, we have friends who've served
in the Air Force. Is not going to disparage it
too hard, but I would heavily advise against joining the
Air Force for political reasons as much as anything else.
It's probably the worst branch for that, although Navy is
up there, but Navy, you can find Navy is the
waspiest branch if you want to be like high class
or whatever. But you know, then you're in the name.
But a good rule of thumb, a good rule of thumb.
Join the Army if you want to do a very
particular thing, whether that thing is infantry or artillery or
you know, new thing is like cyber security. It's actually
if you want to get into cybersecurity, Army is one
of the best ways to do that right now, because
you'll get something like twenty thousand dollars worth of CERTs
civilian SERTs. You know just by going through AI T
that that's a seventeen series if you're interested. But besides that,
like join the army if you want to do a thing,
a very specific thing, Join the Marine Corps if you
want to be a marine, right like, if nothing can
replace being a marine for you, there, you know, it
doesn't matter what you do in the corps. You you
will be a marine and you will have that marine culture.
It doesn't exist the same way in the Army. In
the infantry, yes, somewhat. And then you know, more specialized
like and like the engineers and the you know, I guess,
I guess the calv I don't know about the calv
The calves weird.
Speaker 4: It's different.
Speaker 2: Join join the navy if I mean, you know, if
you're not joining the Navy to be an officer, then
like the don't join the navy. You can do a
follow up episode with Navy people to talk about what
the Navy can do for you. But uh, but but
you know that that's kind of a good rule of thumb.
Join the Army to do a thing, a very specific thing,
or to get a thing, a very specific thing. Join
the Marine Corps to be a marine.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I got for you. And as always,
as always, as always, before you sign that contract, look
in your look at yourself, look at what you want
out of it, how much you're willing to give, and uh,
and and why you're doing it. That's because if you
have any doubt on any of those scores, you know you,
no matter what they say or how they pressure you,
you can always just refuse to sign the contract and
leave and you know, come back to a later point
when you're more sure. So just be be cognizant of
those things, and I think I think you'll be fine.
Speaker 1: All right, let's finish this up by going around the
horn and doing plugs. We'll do it just the way
I see it on the screen, John Slaughter, what do
you got?
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sold five hundred copies of my books. I'm releasing a
special hardback edition with a new cover, so people can
be on the lookout for that. Other than that, you know,
you can follow me on Twitter at j Slaughtter Esquire
or check out my substack at Texas John Slaughter subsdack
dot com.
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Paul mentioned, calv is an option if probably best if
you're a member of the LGBT community. That's that's usually
who's in the cavalry at this point. Back to you, Pete,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Lee.
Speaker 1: You know he's had to make me laugh. Gentlemen, Thank
you very much, thank you for joining me, thank you
for sharing all of your wisdom.
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