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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm an.

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Speaker 11: Ye percent im.

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Speaker 6: We're already recorded, but we can't forget your pond. We

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got to like end on your pond. So let's all

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forget because we forgot that last time. Hello, it was

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actually show you can't do that. We're just rolling in

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funny thing. Actually you bring up the DuPonts h a

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bunch of the cars at the car collection I worked at,

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which I've spoken about to you and on air. We're

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owned by all the old American uh industrialist families, including

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the DuPonts, and so we had oh I think it

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was tapped. And then Roosevelt, who obviously is you know,

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from that area, UH, had a steam car, like a massive,

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like eight thousand pounds steam car. Uh.

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Speaker 11: It was huge. Everyone was terrified of it. No one

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wanted to see if it worked because you've got to remember,

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this is a eight thousand pounds steam car. So it's

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just a bomb, right. It is a road going locomotive.

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It was designed by some company that hasn't existed since

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nineteen oh six. All of the gaskets were hand hammered

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rope gaskets like a sailing ship, and it was fed

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off of kerosene and it was so.

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Speaker 6: Sad, like imagine sinew gaskets, like, wow, that's that jaws

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the mind.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and no one knew how it worked because no

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one since basically then, had been brave enough to try

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to get it working. But when we finally moved it,

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it had been sitting and the wheels were like the

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wheels on a locomotive.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 11: There was giant like cartwheels with like an iron band

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around them.

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Speaker 6: Shit.

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Speaker 11: It actually sunk into the floor. The concrete floor been

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like crushed into the ground. But uh, those those early

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American industrialists had very interesting They were early adopters of

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cards and like the very early brass age cadillacs like

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the k's and the stuff like that. Uh, a lot

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of them were again owned by those families, and they

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it's like the same build style as like a Model

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lamps and the kind of you know, convertible top, but

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it is just scaled up and not in the way

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that you would normally scale something up. But it's just

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like they kind of selected the whole car and just

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hit the plus key like six or seven times. So

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you said you look like a child in a pretend car.

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Speaker 6: Jesus, Yeah, the uh.

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Speaker 11: It's as per usual, Marcus. You and I've been talking

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for like twenty five minutes before we started going about

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just completely up. Yeah, und.

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Speaker 6: So, Uh, it's kind of funny and it's sort of

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I guess you have these kind of relationships in our

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circus where you get people can talk about anything. It's

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kind of funny. How I think how we kind of

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almost touched on DuPont last time. Is it somehow we

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got on the topic of lake. I think I think

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it's like a cooking thing, if Fariss is correct, and

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like I's all like pots and pans and stuff. It's like, oh,

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by the way, speaking of you know, basically like the

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ways in by which the regime poisons us. And it's oh,

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by the way, there's this whole story about DuPont and

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the du Pont factory in Virginia, and there's this farmer

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and you know he took them to court, et cetera.

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like we sort of end up there and then you know,

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we'll talk about you know, automotive stuff and racing and

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you know, our various experience that we had in those circles.

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it's never short of interesting sort of quirks and and

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you know tangents which I find, you know, boys, entertaining

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and fun.

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Speaker 11: Well, here's the thing. Is someone who now does this

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professionally and puts out you know, five episodes a week minimum,

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it is very easy. And you see this with anyone

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who makes politics all they talk about all the time.

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They will go insane. We will drive your you will

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turn yourself into a lunatic, right, you'll end up like

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Tempoole or candase Ons or whatever. And so you need

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to whenever you're starting to feel the weight of it's

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so over, talk about something completely irrelevant. And this is

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the advantage of creating no expectation with your audience at all,

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where it's like, oh, are we gonna do politics or

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is it going to be four straight episodes talking about cards,

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Dutch kickboxing from the nineteen eighties and the DuPont Factory.

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It's a good way to keep yourself from going insane,

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because yeah.

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Speaker 6: If you don't about John Claude van Dam, go to

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YouTube right now. You need to watch blood Sport.

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Speaker 11: Actually, the funny story is, do you know the story

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of the guy who who wrote blood Sport?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I don't know the details level, but I know

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there is a backstory to it. But you'll have to

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refresh my memory. I know there is, because I mean

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Vandam had a few of these in his career where

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he like nabbed ideas off people and then just like

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in the midst of his ten thousand dollars a week

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coke habit like didn't pay people or give people credit

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and all this sort of quite while that.

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Speaker 11: Okay, so two things. One, you're you're a med you'll

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appreciate this. Jean Claude van Dam's daughter very attractive, impressively

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so and we'll kick yours I know, which is I want.

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Speaker 6: To say you not as you, but like would kick

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all our asses because she's yeah, it's like.

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Speaker 11: Every time this. And to be fair, she's not like

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you see the videos of her going around every once

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and while, because she is a very talented martial artist,

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and you know, she doesn't seem to be kind of

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leaning into, you know, being attractive woman. She seems to

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be trying to treat herself seriously. But the comments under

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it are hilarious. It'll be her kicking some some high

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back and it'll just be like, I wish that were me.

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Four thousand likes.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's fun. I want her to kick me right now,

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any time.

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Speaker 11: But so for reference, if you remember, in Blood Sport,

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it says it is based on a true story. It

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is based off of the alleged memoirs of a guy

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known as Frank Dukes, who, by the way, would later

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end up suing Jean Claude van Dam over the rights

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to blood Sport. It got really nasty.

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Speaker 6: But Frank and actually named the character Frank Looks in

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the movie by the way, for those who haven't watched.

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Speaker 11: It right well, because his claim was that blood sport

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is a real thing, like that is he is. He

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did that. So Frank Dukes is a all time American shister.

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known about martial arts. This was before the Internet, and

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so there was a lot of these kind of snake

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oil salesmen. And he wrote this series of books about

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him self liberally stealing from James Bond, you know, kind

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of Bruce Lee movies, and basically said that he was

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trained by this Japanese man name something Tiger Tanaka was

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his name, and you know, he became this like, you know,

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practitioner of nunjitsu at like sixteen, he was pulled into

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the CIA. You know, all these kind of tall tales.

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But what's made it funny is throughout his entire like

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and he's still around, he has continued to hold that

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blood sport is a real thing that happens, and that

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he is like the one person who knows about this

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kind of secret society.

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Speaker 6: There's a collection about these guys, logs into the Eastern Ways, you.

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Speaker 11: Know, one hundred percent, and all of his claims are wild,

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Like his books are basically personal fan fiction where it's

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talking about like traveling the world killing people. He says

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that he gave up the Sword of Heaven to save

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children from Somali pirates, like all kinds of crazy stuff.

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And so of course in the era of like mixed

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martial arts on the Internet, he's not fared well. Like

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he got very seriously beaten by a cage fighter not

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that long ago, like in the mid two thousands. But

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uh yeah, he's just kind of a funny character, like

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making these wild, outrageous claims and refusing to back down

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on anything, like well after he's been fully debunked. But

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uh yeah, there's a whole like cadre of those guys

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that were part of the Black Dragon Societies, I think

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what they were called, And it was very much this

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sort of thing. Where did you ever read Soldier of

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Fortune magazine?

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Speaker 6: I once had as an avid reader, but like I

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flicked through the occasional copy. One of one of our

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workers used to used to have like a subscription to it,

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so like when have you comes to the farm? So

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Speaker 11: This this was really yeah, this was really big in

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like American gun culture, like the militia movement, and so

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eating you know, old issues of Soldier of Fortune, which

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would be kind of a mix of like complete and

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total nonsense, you know, testing like ninja weapons and stuff,

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and then like actually kind of interesting reporting, really involved

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actually in the popularization of Rhodesia in America, both literally

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running guns to Rhodesia and then also you know getting

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you know Vietnam bits over there to fight. Yeah, one

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hundred percent. So it's kind of a mixed bag. But

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in the back there would always be these advertisements which

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were crazy. Infamously enough, there was a case of a

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killer for hire in the back of Soldier of Fortune magazine.

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I think it went to the spring Court. I don't

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entirely remember, but it would be for things like you know,

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Soviet night vision goggles and you know, surplus rifles, and

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then you know, you could send five dollars in the

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mail to the Black Dragon Society and get a manual

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on how to use the dim mock to kill someone

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with a single touch from Frank Dukes. And so I

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don't know as as somewhat amateurism.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know we were like children of life

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the eighties and nineties rather than like growing up in

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that period. But people our age were sort of all

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around people who grow up around in those times, if

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that makes sense, And so it's of lived in the

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hangover of those times, and like it's easy enough to

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remember that kind of stuff being around or at least

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hearing stories of it being the case. You know. Well,

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it's like whole generation of guys who like grow For example,

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whole generation of guys who grew up with Steven Sieguld

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movies and karate Kid who wanted to be like the

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next you know, sort of crop of guys who cut

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their teeth on martial arts and to be like the

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white kid who like, you know, beat the mask, the

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, well like and it's funny too, because like

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Speaker 6: Some degree, Aikida is kind of bullshit as well. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 11: Well, that existed so that you know, Japanese caretecas could

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fight muy Thai guys, and so they kind of put

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martial art, there are artificial constraints, right, So like if

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you're using big sixteen ounce gloves, you know, you can

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it is like kind of a death like in a

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weird way, a day of two traditions, you know, being

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I totally appreciate what you're saying, and as

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you sort of see that also with as someone who

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and then I eventually dabbled in karate before I moved

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away from the city. But even then you sort of

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the idea of you might have like a primary or secondary.

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and mix things, but you know, there's there's no one

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who's going to be a pure, say even to take

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him like an aggressive form of like shokatan karate, right

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or kyokish and karate which the more like offensive and

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aggressive forms of it. They're not going to do purely

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that and enter an mma ring. They're going to have

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that and some kind of grappling they're going to do

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like Greco Roman wrestling or Brazilian jiu jitsu, and morphed

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the two things into one because in the end, karates

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great for striking with your feet and potentially, like if

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you develop more of a striking game, with you know,

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fists and elbows and whatever. But once you're grappled, you're screwed.

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I mean, you know, you're a mixed Marshal Lats fan,

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you'll you'll know better than any of us in our circles.

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Holy Home. It was a key boxer, and she absolutely

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just smashed the crap out of her, you know, and

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it goes to show you that you can't be a

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one dimensional fighter and make mixed martial lasts like it's

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that's literally what it is by definition. It's not a

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single disciple exercise, sorry, single discipline exercise.

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Speaker 11: Well, and that's sort of the interesting thing, like you

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see in and look like the jiu jitsu world is

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very very gay for any number of reasons, which are

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you know, not relevant here. I just want to say that,

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but it's it's sort of the interest. Yes, look like Bibe,

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I just go to a warehouse on the edge of

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town and you know, and like you know, sometimes he's

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got your head in the lock and you kiss him

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on the lips and he freaks out and then you

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can take his back. Yeah it's normal, right, uh no,

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that world, the death of pure jiu jitsu. Right, So,

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the and it's a slightly changing like the big you know,

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prestige titles now are all nogi, which means, you know,

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you're not wearing your fancy pajamas, and that is birthed.

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you know, it is it is wrestling, you know, sambo,

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everything kind of put together and it's sort of becoming

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you're losing in some cases like the specific you know

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national you know, martial arts are fighting disciplines and yeah,

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sure you are.

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Speaker 6: Peculiarities of techniques and methods specifics, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 11: And so it's like I've kind of have two minds

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about it because on one hand, it's like, if you're

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going to learn how to fight, you should learn how

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to fight, you know, regardless of the kind of specificities

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of any art. But at the same time you do

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sort of see it, uh a kind of flattening of culture.

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Speaker 6: Yes, in a sorry you know, you know I was

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just mute. Oh yeah, absolutely, no, No, you're quite right.

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I couldn't. I couldn't agree more, even like a in

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a slightly less sense, because the majority of my time

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in quote unquote martial artsize people was actually boxing. Like

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I said, I dabbled in in the other two, but

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like I boxed, and.

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Speaker 11: I find the worst boxer in the world.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure that's not true, but I appreciate what you're

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Speaker 11: I Well, Josh Neil, Josh Neil, who's is another an

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on you'll see I guess he's not on this his

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real name you'll see around these is very very patient

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boxing with me, and every once in a while they'll

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just like he'll just kind of look at me and

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be like, dude, what are you doing? Like you do it,

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but he's very very patient with me. But yeah, sorry,

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back to you.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, I was just gonna say. But even then,

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if you even watch like say old boxing matches, I

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don't know if you're for me to like the history

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of boxing, I find boxing history quite fascinating. Is in

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the thirties, limp to World War Two, there's a German champion.

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He took the title of the off Lewis not Schmeddling,

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that's what was his surname, just gone blank anyway, actually covered.

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Speaker 11: The Austrian fellow was a big fan of this guy.

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Speaker 6: You know he wasn't he actually got he got a

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free party membership after you won the title. He was

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actually quite a because actually coincided just after the Olympics

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mentioning like yeah, German is that we need boxing world champion?

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All that sort of stuffing. Is the guy smelling I

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was gonna say, Smeedddling, Yeah, shmelling match smelling. That's right.

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They and he actually became a paratrooper, was a Faustian

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biago during World War Two and actually landed on crete

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and fought up until ninety forty five and one.

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Speaker 11: Died by the way in two thousand and five.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they made it move about him too. Actually, yeah,

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he was quite long lived.

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Speaker 11: Genuinely, I much like Ernest Younger in my mind. These

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men died, you know, well before I was alive. It's

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crazy to imagine you walked on the earth at the

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Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. And actually that being said,

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I mean there's a whole whole litany of tangents I

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could going through because, like reading about German paratroops actually

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quite amazing because basically after Crete they were not used

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on mass We'll get back to boxing a second. Sorry,

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but just like for the sake of the point, they

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were never using mass operations after the Creed because of

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the horrendous losses that the two primary German divisions that

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were used for the operation suffered. The painter the mustache

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man said no more. They would use them for like

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small operations for example, and they saved you know, I'll

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do cha from the hilltop. And you know, they use

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them for a couple of operations, you know, relieving its

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circlements or you know, specific reinforcements or to land on

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an island somebody, like, they did little things, but the

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mass drops after Creek forty one ended, after which case

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it was then the Allies, you know, particularly you know

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the Americans of the British, you know, landing in Normandy

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and Market Garden, and those sort of big operations occurred,

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you know, in the late latter half of the war,

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in the last two years of the wars specifically, but

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either which way, when the German fauscion Maga were grounded,

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they were used specifically in two roles. Either very very

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tenacious defense which you saw at Montegueesino on the Italian Front.

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They because they were just they were extremely well much

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akin to British or American paratroopers, highly elite, highly physically adept,

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very good marksmen and just tough right, so they were

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using in very sort of high stakes defensive warfare. Or

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they'll use a sort of shock troops for instance. So

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if you actually read the memoirs of I mean, you know,

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we've all watched Better Brothers rather, but if actually like

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the real loved the memoirs of Dick Winters and other

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small unit commanders who fought in Norman Dean in France

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to be to quote a British Histhorian, I love the

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way he says this. He goes in life, two things

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are certain death and taxes. But if you're a military

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a modern military story in three things are constant death,

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taxes and German counter attack and the instances where like

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German paratroopers would you know, launch like a probing attack

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and then the British and Americans think, oh, well, it's

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one am, We're going to go to bed now, and

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then like at three am the Germans of attack again,

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and then that attack again at six in the morning,

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like they were so tenacious and just it was a

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part of their method of war. And that's the kind

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of unit that Max Schmeunting fourteen is the point I'm making.

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And you sort of hear of anecdotes of like that.

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You know that the Americans would be sort of around

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like on the wrong side of the Ryan River in

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nineteen forty five, but they'd be like shaking hands with

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the Soviets of the Odor, and they'd be pockets of

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German paratroopers who've been disconnected from their forces for like

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two three four months, and the Americans like, how are

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you sedill live? It's like, h we've been We've been

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fighting out numbered for five years. Like we're used to this,

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you know, we always surrounded, you know. And it goes

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to show you that the testament of like certain types

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of soldiers, I mean and and you know, even the

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Americans proved that, like one hundred first Boys when out

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bastone the same kind of toughness. And I suppose men

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like that are predisposed to making good martial artists. Is

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probably a point worth referencing.

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Speaker 11: And what's interesting about Schmelling is that he was he

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was a man of personal magnanimity as well. He was

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a stupid businessman. You know, he was wounded in the war,

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dismissed from service. Uh, and then you know afterwards, you know,

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fairly successful hend like a battling plant for Coca Cola

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and a few other things. Yeah, but you know, he

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was sort of infamous for his first win and then

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loss over it. He uh, the African American fighter Joe Lewis,

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and that's exactly right, yeah, which is a huge upset.

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And it was this sort of great moment where you know,

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Lewis had was this huge puncture and you know, Smelling

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you know, just wet weathering the fire. But he won

473
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one and lost when I believe I think they only

474
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had two, but later they you know, mended ties and

475
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Schmelling ended up paying for Louis's funeral like he held

476
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onto his.

477
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Speaker 6: Money lost destitute.

478
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Speaker 11: Actually yeah, yeah, And I mean, you know, say what

479
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you will for magnanimity, right, the ability to you know

480
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one obviously, you know, sort of temper yourself around wealth,

481
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but also you know, sort of going out of your

482
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way to uh, you know, honor a fallen foe.

483
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Speaker 6: I guess, well also to I think, I think one

484
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of the tragedies and those of us who've seen our circles,

485
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I think, because I try to think of how to

486
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phrase this, right, I think in the midst of quote

487
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unquote combat, But by that I mean sort of like

488
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you know that the culture war and politics and so

489
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of Like you said, you know, the kind of people

490
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who just it's there, it's all that they do for them.

491
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Politics is sort of and culture is everything, and there's

492
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not much for a world outside of that. Was I

493
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think guys like you and I and many of our friends,

494
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we have the lives outside of this and preoccupations and

495
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you know, passions, hobbies, the kind of things that actually

496
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make life more colorful, I don't want to say more interesting,

497
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but certainly more colorful. Right and make people themselves more

498
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interesting as well, because I think having either aptitude or

499
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mastery of specific realms and domains of life expand one's horizons.

500
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I don't mean that in a like a liberal trit sense.

501
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I mean that in a very real way. And I

502
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think one thing that people, perhaps a lot of people

503
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like us, but people sort of, you might say, in

504
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our proximity or in our wider umbrella, to whom politics

505
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and culture dominates so much of their preoccupation and their

506
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thinking and whatever, is that there is something there are

507
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principles deeply embedded. I think specifically, well, I mean not

508
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solely in the European mind. I think other civilizations have

509
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achieved this. I think you see it definitely much in

510
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Japanese culture. I think to some degree you see it

511
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in elements of Middle Eastern culture. You know, to a point,

512
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I think it's it also exists if you consider Slavic sort.

513
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527
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Speaker 6: Christmas Europe Slasher peen adjacent. You also see it in

528
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Theirs in their own way. But it's this concept of

529
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sort of what the Rhans are called dignitask, but as

530
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an extension of that honor and the idea of even

531
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in the context of hostility or in the context of battle,

532
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or in the context of you know, like you're sort

533
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of being in a bellicose environment that you can you

534
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,160
know that the Germans and the English can still play

535
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:13,440
football on Christmas Day in nineteen fourteen, right and you

536
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,920
know you see it, you know, like in the Grand

537
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,400
medieval chivalric culture of Europe throughout the Middle Ages, and

538
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not to sort of say that that they're the same thing.

539
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I'm reminded of a maybe one day we should like

540
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to do a watch along of it, because I absolutely

541
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love it. But the I think is either the third

542
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or fourth highest scoring German acid World War two gunto Raal,

543
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who end up becoming a native air general, by the way,

544
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and his dismissal is interesting, so read that up a Wikipedia.

545
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But anyway, he was I think, like I said, I

546
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think he's like the third or fourth highest scoring ACE

547
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in Germany who had like two hundred and seventy or

548
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,519
eighty kills or something, right, and he was. He fought

549
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for a great deal of the war in active duty

550
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and survived the war obviously and suffered like he crashed

551
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,279
very few aircrafts, had very few like problems, was you know,

552
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really sick whatever. He only got badly wounded once, and

553
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that's when he came into contact with you know, when

554
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eventually the Americans put the Mustangs into the end, they

555
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,680
could they could take the bombers all the way to

556
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Burlian and back right fully escorted. And that's what the

557
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,920
peak I mean the P fifty one Mustang was a

558
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,440
great aircraft in the certain right. But the biggest boon

559
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for the Allies is they could take the bombers all

560
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the way to their darkets and back right. And there

561
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was an American pilo by name of Shorty Rankin who

562
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was a friend of Chuck Jaeger's. If I'm memory saisn't correct.

563
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And the Germans, you know, for all of the aptitude

564
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that the Germans, once they got to sort of a

565
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:47,480
point of like aptitude and decoration, got a bit arrogant.

566
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I mean, that's just the thing, right, And you know

567
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Guntral in his in his you know, he's uh his

568
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,279
air wing, you know, takes of the skies and yeah, yeah,

569
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you know they're gone to hammers. The Americans, you know,

570
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they're gonna put boys's of bombers. We've got the shots

571
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of a Germany.

572
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Speaker 12: You know.

573
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Speaker 6: That was kind of the attitude of the ace pilots

574
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of the of the Lufffer And so I think I

575
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think it was the first or second time they came

576
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into contact with PEA fifty ones and Raoul was engaging

577
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another fighter and Rankin got higher than him in his

578
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P fifty one throttled up and just straighted the side

579
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of his aircraft and shot his thumb clean off through

580
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the cockpit. And you got to think the P fifty

581
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ones had a combination of I think mostly thirty cal

582
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machine guns. So like, imagine being shot through your cockpit

583
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and then like your thumb's blown off. I mean it

584
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could hit any part of your body, your shoulder, your chest,

585
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your head, like you would kill you. But Rahul was

586
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shot through the thumb. And a lot of these old timers,

587
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just like I'm talking long after the war, would go

588
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to each other's air shows, like you know, the American

589
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and British boys go to Germany that see all the

590
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German aircraft go up, and then the Germans go to

591
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England America that have dinner together, talk crap, you know,

592
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drink beers, and you know, it actually became often quite

593
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friendly after the war. And there's this wonderful interview with

594
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guntarrah where he's like, oh yeah, I was like he's

595
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even I was like, oh, I haven't gotten me yet.

596
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Speaker 17: And then Shorty come up and shots my son off,

597
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you know, and he's sitting there like on this deck

598
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chair with Marty Rank. Shorty Rank connext me, like pointing

599
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and laughing at his thumb. And it's like the kind

600
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of levity that these blokes had with one another is

601
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something we would not understand in the modern day, you know,

602
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And like that's I know, I'm using a specific anecdote,

603
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but the fact that these guys could come together after

604
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the war and go we all went through this ghastly thing.

605
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Speaker 6: We fought it for whatever reasons, et cetera. But we

606
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all know the horrors of war, and ultimately we're soldiers,

607
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you know, and we are going to treat each other

608
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with a degree of dignity. Now that obviously didn't apply

609
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across the world with everybody in all parties. That's not

610
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what I'm saying, But there is this very very innate,

611
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deep rooted notion within us, and I think what I'm

612
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trying to what I'm trying to cleave to it, and

613
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,680
I think you raise that point with smelling pain for

614
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Lewis's funeral, is that I think we need a treasure

615
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that as a part of our if I can use

616
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,880
the phrase like civilizational psychology, you know, I think if

617
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you take that away from us, we become much less

618
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people without it.

619
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Speaker 11: Well one hundred percent. And this is even a distinction

620
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that the Romans made, is that there was a difference

621
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between an intramural fight, you know, between people who are

622
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,559
part of the same civilization and a sort of like

623
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,799
what another man might call like a Rossied and Creek,

624
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,599
like a war of extermination, you know, one party versus

625
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the other, and really like.

626
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Speaker 6: That is ultimately the difference between fighting Gaul and Macedon,

627
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for instance.

628
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Speaker 11: Yes, and there is a huge tragedy and this happened,

629
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you know, in the American Civil War, but also in

630
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both World wars. That we took that attitude and applied

631
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it to our own, that we applied it to Germany,

632
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:53,880
that we applied it to the American South, And I

633
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,839
mean in the American context. You see this in the

634
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,839
difference even and look like you know Sherman's you know,

635
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,559
outing in Hell and all that. But even then there's

636
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:06,359
a difference between the most brutal parts of you know,

637
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,759
the pacification of the American South and then the Indian Wars,

638
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,880
which were this sort of you know, war of mutual

639
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,039
annihilation where you know, both parties are you know, massacring

640
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:20,960
each other, no quarter is expected or given. And then

641
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,279
there you know, the case of the you know, the Indians,

642
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,480
if you were captured, you would be tortured to death,

643
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:29,799
right roasted alive or cannibalized at best. Yeah, and yeah,

644
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,000
that is very much a different thing. I got into

645
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sort of it.

646
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Speaker 6: As constern these men found out. So they're great displeasure

647
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:38,279
in wounded name.

648
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Speaker 11: Yes, yeah, although there is something u in a man

649
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,039
that sees a last stand and you're like, hell, yeah,

650
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:47,960
is that for me?

651
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Speaker 6: You know, But then there's a lot of there's last

652
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,440
stands and last stands like I mean, I'm not not

653
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:55,839
here to dictate to your own history, like I want

654
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,039
to make that point clear, but you know, there's it

655
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,240
looks something like the album and that's like very very heroic,

656
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:05,480
whereas you can tell Wounded knees a bit of a

657
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:10,159
cock up and yeah, you know, and particularly once the

658
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,559
last stragglers break, like you know, the Indians with their

659
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,239
leave action repeat rifles, which just it was a turkey shoot,

660
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,000
you know what I mean by the end, and that's

661
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,639
not impugne the honor of those men. Like ultimately, when

662
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,119
the battle line breaks and the battles lost, then men

663
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,519
are fleeing. I mean, I mean it gets stabbed in

664
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:30,239
you front gets abbed to your back. Ultimately, there's not

665
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,719
much of a difference. You know, very few, very few

666
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,559
fighting units have a glorious end, like the Spartans of

667
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:39,920
Thermopoli for instance, Like you know, that doesn't happen very

668
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,360
often as an example.

669
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean the the Alamo is a great example

670
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,559
of that. Right, there are so many great and this

671
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,039
is something that I this is you know, I'm not

672
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,599
going to say that we'll get off a topic, but

673
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,400
to return to the conversation about fighter you know, the

674
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air duels, which again we're thirty minutes and in not

675
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:04,800
discussed at all we were supposed to do, which is

676
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,519
why I think I have.

677
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Speaker 6: You anyway, keep going.

678
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,519
Speaker 11: But but my wife and I were sort of joking

679
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,280
back and forth because you know, we were talking about

680
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,480
the Smithsonian, right, which is this collection of museums in DC,

681
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:21,800
and she was complaining, She's like, oh, like I always

682
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,719
hated going to the Air and Space Museum, Like that's

683
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,519
so boring. I don't want to see a plane. I'd

684
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,599
either see, you know, in our museum. And I enjoyed

685
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,039
our museum as much the same. But we we started

686
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,599
kind of joking back and forth arguing about this, and

687
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:38,159
in my mind, the the end of the analog era

688
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,320
of fighter jets is the coolest air combat has ever been.

689
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:47,199
Where it is you know, you and another man jousting

690
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,280
in the sky in a you know, sixty pound death

691
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,880
machine with you know, machine guns strapped to every to

692
00:35:55,079 --> 00:36:00,679
every available you know, superchargers, yeah, exactly, power by a

693
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,639
radial engine that's bigger than your living room, you know,

694
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,079
sixteen hundred horsepower just screening through.

695
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,159
Speaker 6: This injection all that sort of stuff, you know.

696
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, And it is that like completely unassisted, you know,

697
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,239
fully analog. You know, there's no computer. It is just

698
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,679
you versus him. There's just something incredibly like cool and

699
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,039
romantic about that. And I mean this is the same

700
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:24,159
thing that you see in you know, something like Star Wars,

701
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:26,480
which is obviously you know, World War two in space, right,

702
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,760
But it's that same motif of the you know, jousting

703
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,639
and jousting in space, right, the kind of like man

704
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,679
versus man. And I think it's interesting that.

705
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Speaker 6: And it's no sometimes both ways because you haven't like it.

706
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,880
But the starships, you know, like with like the X

707
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,480
Wings and tie fighters and stuff. But then you also

708
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:44,000
have in the Grand light. The jedis it's like the

709
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,599
same concept. One's air, one's ground, you know, that's it.

710
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I mean I think it's it's no shock that,

711
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:55,039
you know, the air service has always been more aristocratic.

712
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,400
So for instance, you know you have in in the

713
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,119
First World War the the sort of like the flower

714
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:06,320
of the American upper class who you know had sort

715
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,719
of right, but I mean even at a place like

716
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,000
Yale right where they had a flying club which was

717
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:13,719
you know, rich young men with planes doing something at

718
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,679
the time incredibly dangerous, and all of them bought planes,

719
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,760
went to France and died. I mean not all of them,

720
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,039
but the vast majority of them did. Let me look

721
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:29,719
at at uh, Roosevelt's son, right, who is who is

722
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:34,639
killed in a in a plane? Someone macab Detailed Teddy

723
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,119
or Franklin ted Teddy. Yes, the good one. It's not

724
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:44,440
the not the the Satanic cripple. By the way, Marcus, Uh,

725
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:46,960
this is this is crazy. I don't know how I

726
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,599
didn't know this as a long term FDR hater. Do

727
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,760
you know that the whole reason we have the Ford

728
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,039
Foundation right this just like International Project for Evil, was

729
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:03,679
basically because FDR made inheritances illegal and instituted a seventy

730
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,480
percent inheritance tax.

731
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,079
Speaker 6: Able to absconde Henry Ford essentially.

732
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 11: Well exactly, and his son, you know, started this, started

733
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,920
this foundation in good faith and you know, assumed that

734
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,480
it would be done for the benefit of America. So

735
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:25,880
he did, you know, vast public works in Michigan where

736
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,559
his father's workers lived. But by the time he died

737
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,880
relatively young, or he died young, and then his son

738
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:36,480
ended up taking it over. His son ended up resigning

739
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:43,199
because effectively communists had taken over his own father's not company,

740
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,199
the foundation.

741
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 6: Of the work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

742
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 18: Yeah, and it's again FDR is if nothing else, at

743
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,639
least he won the ones. But anyway, fair enough, that's

744
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,440
such a great story. That's such a great story.

745
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,599
Speaker 6: As as you know, as a bonafie to Italian by

746
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,119
the way, you know, like I do admire the story

747
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:06,639
of the Ford GT forty and also acknowledge if I

748
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,079
inherit like just ten million dollars like that, by the way,

749
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,039
And I'm just saying this as a pure admire of

750
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,840
sports cars, I would buy a Ford G T forty

751
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,719
before I bought any Ferrari. Just saying I have soation.

752
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,639
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, but honestly I love the sixties and seventies

753
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,599
Lamar sports cars, like I stand by the nine to

754
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:33,159
seventeen long Tail being one of the coolest machines ever.

755
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,360
The sound of that giant flat twelve and that I

756
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,480
mean Lamar the movie isn't incredible.

757
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 8: I know what you're feeling, and I was there too,

758
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Speaker 11: But the footage of it is great.

775
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 6: When you say the ones movie mean the see Steve

776
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,360
McQueen one from the seventies. Yes, yes, I love that movie.

777
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,320
I love that movie has actually.

778
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 11: Funny out really a movie, you know.

779
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's David Quin having fun like basically yeah, yeah.

780
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,039
Speaker 11: Which I'm gonna be honest, I respect even more.

781
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 6: Right exactly, it's slight, you know what, like I've done

782
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,440
maybe for since seven I've done the greatest gape I've

783
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,480
done bullet you know what, I want to like a

784
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:05,519
racing because Joel Garna did it like a fewyears early

785
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,960
with Grand Prix, which was in the sixties. Right, He's like,

786
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,639
I'm gonna do this but better, Like these cars are

787
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,119
faster than grown breakers. I wanted to Lamons, you know yeah,

788
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:17,079
And you'll never see a better mullets in a movie

789
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,199
than Lamon's. Like that is Mullets Central. They really got

790
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,920
the timeline perfect with like the fashion and everything like

791
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,599
turtlenecks and mullets and all like the Italian and German

792
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,519
drivers are like big sunglass and everything. It's like, wow,

793
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,840
this is still time period. I I a period appropriate.

794
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,599
Speaker 11: I'm somewhat of a turtle neck officionado. And it's for

795
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:41,679
two reasons. One, uh, let's be honest, it's mostly you

796
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,400
know that helps, uh, but also it is the look

797
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,639
of seventies racing drivers. You know, it's just such a

798
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,239
cool look. I mean even uh and you know he

799
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,079
started a number of movies with great coats, but even

800
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:04,400
uh uh oh, this is embarrassing. First James Bond Scottish

801
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,440
fellow con Sean Connery. Sorry, for some reason I couldn't

802
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,840
stop saying Matthew McConaughey, which is not his name, but

803
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,239
he did it as well, right that that sort of

804
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:20,920
like very period look. Yeah, absolutely, actually interesting detail there. Uh,

805
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,920
while we're talking about the you know, the kind of

806
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,000
like massification. Uh, Sean Connery was a bodybuilder of the era,

807
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,719
but it was when the sport was in a very

808
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,400
very different, very different form.

809
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,599
Speaker 6: I mean he also was in a different category, like

810
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:38,800
he never competed against like Vince Darner and those sort

811
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,719
of guys, but like in his category of like the

812
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,440
lighter I mean you look at photos of him, Yeah,

813
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,480
they're not particularly you know, bulky, and I have a

814
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:50,039
lot of masks, but like, the dude was strong, was lean,

815
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,960
and was you know, well built. Like from an antatomical perspective.

816
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,119
Speaker 11: I'm not mistaken. I think Steven Sigall actually broke his

817
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,360
are practicing akito for a movie?

818
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 6: Really? Okay, I was unfamiliar with that. That's actually kind

819
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,320
of fun.

820
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,079
Speaker 11: It was either him or maybe it was Roger Moore,

821
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:11,920
I can't remember. It was one of the early Games Bonds. Uh, which,

822
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,360
by the way, actually what we're talking about this? What

823
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,800
are you a Games Bond fan? Oh?

824
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,639
Speaker 6: Yes, it's actually kind of funny. It's a bit of

825
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,559
like deep low I suppose for our circles is that

826
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,199
you know how AA went through that phase of doing

827
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,000
the who would you do? Thing for like a year

828
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,760
and a half whatever was Yeah, that actually has a genesis,

829
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,920
and it actually the genesis is me and Charlie having

830
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,119
a conversation, like a Twitter conversation about which Bond girls

831
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:40,599
are hot and which Bond girls are cute? And somehow

832
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,719
that discussion ended up turning into who would you do?

833
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:45,800
Because like Charlie, I had this light list of like

834
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,079
hot bond girls and cut bond girls like ones you

835
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:52,159
shag and ones you take them, and as yeah, that's

836
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,199
actually how it started. Very few people know that actually,

837
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,559
but yeah, it's interesting how that developed. There's like obviously

838
00:43:56,599 --> 00:44:01,159
me and Charlie so so we're both on the Officionados.

839
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 11: But my wife has developed a spectrum for female attractiveness,

840
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,320
which I actually think is kind of fun to talk about.

841
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:12,079
It is not this is for people who are attractive

842
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,079
right already, but it's a distinction and it is she

843
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,639
calls it. It's ripe versus dead, and it's basically the

844
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:22,440
difference between the like do you look better smiling or serious?

845
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,880
So like you can imagine like the happy it is,

846
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,519
you know what I'm saying though, right, because it's like

847
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,079
even you can think of like you know, there is.

848
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:34,079
Speaker 6: At least Hourly versus Bonnie Blue, you know.

849
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 11: Yeah. Or it's like but again, like you could once

850
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:40,400
you think about it, like, oh, this actually does describe

851
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,960
something different, like you know, this is maybe dating myself,

852
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,000
but you could think of someone like the kind of

853
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:48,480
like look of the mid two thousand, someone like you know,

854
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,480
I don't know, Kristen Stewart or something like that who

855
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:54,679
is much more like dead looking, like still an attractive woman,

856
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,920
but like kind of gaunt and more serious looking, versus

857
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:58,400
the kind.

858
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 6: Of like kind of a millennial thing though to be

859
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,920
on as well, you know.

860
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,199
Speaker 11: True, but I mean like this this you can see

861
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,119
this even in different errors, right obviously, like the heroin

862
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,719
chic of the nineties is like a biased one way, you.

863
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 6: Know, but like the Kate, like the Kate Moss looks

864
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:20,559
sort of thing. Yeah, m anyway, I have my mad

865
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:24,199
on to uh to discuss such things. Well, you know,

866
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,880
you gotta gotta sometimes you have to ask in that

867
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:29,400
for an opinion. But that's that's because I think also

868
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,079
these are sort of like there are dichotomies that it

869
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,400
comes attracted. It's like you know, like even like amongst men,

870
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,440
that's sort of like you know, and I'm going to

871
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,960
say this is like you know, farm boy myself, like

872
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,079
this all like that that grauff sort of like farmer,

873
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:44,519
sort of lumberjack, unrefined kind of masculine thing that women

874
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:46,559
find attractive. But then like other women will find like

875
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:53,159
the refined, muscular, you know, clean shaven, kind of well edged,

876
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:58,480
you know, corporate type. We'll find that atue and then

877
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,440
they're obviously find like the blue collar kind of less

878
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:05,239
refined urban man more attractive, you know, and a different

879
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,280
like kind of personalities. You know. They're like a man

880
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,559
who's like extroverted and outgoing, and you know another one

881
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,639
who's like more serious and calculated, and you know, is

882
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,199
a founder and a builder kind of you know, and

883
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,639
another's good with his hands and can build things and

884
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,519
she like that. Like, it's funny how even from the

885
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:25,079
female perspective, they find different kinds of men vastly attractive

886
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,239
in varying ways, you know.

887
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,519
Speaker 11: And this is why, like gender discourse is just pure

888
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:31,559
slop of all.

889
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:35,679
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and I mean we are merely speculating, by

890
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,199
the way. This isn't like we are speculating on the

891
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,719
slop f y, you know.

892
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 11: But the this is the funny thing of the you know,

893
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:48,320
elon revealing the location of certain accounts, right, is how

894
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,280
much of that kind of like you know, male you know,

895
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,000
pick up artist you know kind of descent like derived thought,

896
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:57,639
which is the like, you know, the very much like

897
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,840
like sort of like and Rewtate adjacent idea on how

898
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,400
to be successful with a woman is from the third world, right,

899
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,440
it's just like pure engagement bait from.

900
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,199
Speaker 6: I mean put this right, the imagine someone like your

901
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,599
I saying or like any of our like esteem friends thing,

902
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,840
you know, like you have to be a high value man.

903
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,639
You have to refine yourself. You have to improve your knowledge,

904
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,880
you have to improve your like you know, like your status,

905
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,119
and you have to have you know, income and stability

906
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:32,519
and all these things. And it's like and then e

907
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:34,519
Versu's like you have to be a high value man.

908
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:36,840
You have to improve your product productivity.

909
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:37,119
Speaker 14: You know.

910
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 17: It's like you can't take that seriously if they were

911
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,519
actually expose what they were, and it's like, could you

912
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,000
imagine you'll have to.

913
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:46,079
Speaker 11: It's one of those things too, which like I think

914
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:48,440
the thing that makes it so insidious is that like

915
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,599
there is there's a core of truth to it, like

916
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,599
if you if you dig down, like there are insights

917
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:57,559
that are correct. But it is the same like desire

918
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:59,639
that we were talking about with sports earlier to like

919
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:04,719
systematize and standardize and like find metrics for it, where

920
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,320
it's just like turning it into like KPIs like you're

921
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,920
in a job or something, which idea to like turn

922
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,719
everything into like a technique, and it's like, look, man,

923
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,159
that's that's just not how it works. And the fact

924
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,079
that this is the way you were going about it,

925
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,519
to quote Thomas, you're not gonna.

926
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 6: Make it, you know, correct, Yes, And there's a great

927
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,320
deal of people who aren't going to make it for

928
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:30,119
the vast myriad of reasons lying and this is one

929
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:33,119
of many. Sadly, Yeah, it's.

930
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 11: Enough about that. I think I think that genuinely gender

931
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,320
discourse is the end of all intelligent human thought. Uh,

932
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,119
it's always it's it's kind of interesting to me the

933
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,719
degree to which there's sort of a like like kind

934
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,920
of masturbatory nature to you know, both sides of gender discourse,

935
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:56,679
you know, which is either like, oh, you know, women

936
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,960
are horrible. You know they need to be you know,

937
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,599
they need to like admit it and apologize, or alternately,

938
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,199
like men are horrible and you see this like the

939
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:11,519
like the whatever podcast, right that guy who just breaks skills.

940
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,159
Speaker 6: Which optimate is kind of actually funny, but yeah, it

941
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:16,760
gets it gets old eventually.

942
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 11: You know, it's funny, but it's also you're like I

943
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:21,440
sort of look at it up, like this is for

944
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,400
this to be so popular for so long, this is

945
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:28,760
deeply like this is not a good place to be, right, yeah,

946
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,800
which is it?

947
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 6: Does you know?

948
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 11: But it is true confirmation bias where it is like

949
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,079
you are deliberately engaging with the worst behavior of the

950
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:44,280
opposite sex constantly, which like look like modern men and

951
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,960
women are deeply broken. Like we both understand this on

952
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,760
a myriad of levels. It's not the point I'm trying

953
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:54,320
to make, but like basically just watching like like doom

954
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,719
porn forever, you know, like it is and you see

955
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,480
this on like the more, you're just on that point.

956
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,280
I was gonna say, this is exactly why if I

957
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,480
had the powers of elam mask, I would perma bent

958
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,760
RFH before the iotola for that exact reason. Yes, exactly,

959
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:12,079
And there's a version of it on substack as well.

960
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,159
A woman like cartoons hate her, I think, is what

961
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,079
she calls herself. But it's the same gimmick, you know,

962
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:20,760
it's just reversed. But instead of finding you know, like

963
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:25,519
you know some you know, uh fatherless woman with an

964
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:29,840
only fans, it's like, you know, the most just degenerate

965
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,960
you know online and on commentator, right, and it's just like,

966
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,760
look like, yeah, that person is bad. You shouldn't do

967
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,800
what that person is doing. But like you're you're sort

968
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,719
of poisoning yourself by interacting with this at all moments

969
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:46,199
you know you were you were sort of turning that

970
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,280
person into a stand in for fifty percent of the population.

971
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,480
And look, man, like you and I are both equally

972
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:57,519
aware of certain uncomfortable realities about you know, how the

973
00:50:57,559 --> 00:50:59,519
sex is interact. Right, I'm not trying to come out

974
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:02,880
as some like you know weight nt you know, LiOD toad,

975
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:05,159
but this stuff is poisoning your brain.

976
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 6: Like, there's also part of it, well we can, we

977
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:10,719
can see the world for what it is. But also

978
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,920
it's a bit like and I'm sure you've you might

979
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,719
have perhaps you have have them, but you know, I

980
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,000
do stress this every somethen that it comes up. Is

981
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:22,840
that it is perfectly understandable to have the rage that

982
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,480
we do against say boomers, for instance, all the silent generation.

983
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,519
We keep in mind that they were the very first

984
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:35,760
then primary victims of the first multivectored like unrelinking pulverization

985
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,440
of the senses and of indoctrination and.

986
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 11: Cognizant controlled media.

987
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,199
Speaker 6: Exactly, and in a sense, the women of our generation

988
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:49,800
are kind of like the equivalents of that in their

989
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:55,119
own way. And I mean one shouldn't. I mean with

990
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,800
a victim, right, you can't in the you gotta you

991
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,199
can't keep given the hero an addict terroin right like

992
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,039
you can't keep you know, you know, there comes a

993
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,119
point where the four hundred pound friend has to stop

994
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:09,800
being handed mars bars right, you know, like you're harming

995
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,280
them at a point. But you still have to realize

996
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,880
and accept that somewhere along the way they have been victimized,

997
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,320
and they have been dragged down by external forces that

998
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,880
aren't their own. And I think it would be we

999
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,159
would be well served to keep that in mind. It's

1000
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:25,760
not to say that it should make us white night

1001
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,920
so that we should be permissive about things, as we shouldn't.

1002
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,280
We should actually object to things that are objectively bad

1003
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:37,960
and objectively evil and things which adeleterious socio coach culturally

1004
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,000
right like unapologetically so. But there should still be that.

1005
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 19: This Christmas come together makes special memories and unwrap your

1006
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:57,760
lind or moment irresistibly smooth melting chocolate from the lint

1007
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,360
Master's Chocolate ear share a moment of bless this Christmas

1008
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,719
lindaor you choose the moment will provide the bless discover

1009
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,360
lindaor from lind.

1010
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 10: While all the who's of jovial what at McDonald's eating

1011
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:20,159
the Grinch from his lair started plotting and scheming girkin

1012
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,159
flavored fries and Dodd's Socks will send them crackers. So

1013
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,039
try the grinches new meal and head down to Macco's

1014
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,559
until fourth of jan from eleven am. Price and participation

1015
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:34,039
may vary while stocks last grinched For adults.

1016
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,519
Speaker 6: That slid of compassion that runs through us, where we

1017
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:40,440
actually see these people for what they are and how

1018
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:42,960
they've come to this point of their journey, and it

1019
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,960
isn't in many cases? How cong up with this? For

1020
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:49,960
every I mean, I just use her because I said

1021
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,119
it before, For every bonny blue who knows what the

1022
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,239
hell they're doing and doesn't give a shit about how

1023
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,559
many trees they burn down in the process. Right, there

1024
00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:03,000
are probably hundreds and thousands, and likely tens of thousands

1025
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:05,599
of women who have made a choice out of desperation

1026
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,239
or of being brought into an unfortunate situation somewhat or

1027
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,039
entirely not of their making, and then have to live

1028
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:17,360
with like the crumbling ruins of their life afterwards. Again

1029
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:19,480
not to say that you should encourage that, or white

1030
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:22,880
night that, or facilitate that. But you know, as people

1031
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,880
of high culture and of how can I put this,

1032
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:32,400
you know, like of a well tempered morality, we should

1033
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,960
be mindful of that. And I think if we debase

1034
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:42,760
ourselves of that, we become less. We sort of so

1035
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,440
like we commit to the opposite of transcendence, if you

1036
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,920
get what I mean, We reduce ourselves spiritually. And I

1037
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:53,079
think we should maintain high standards of behavior morality, right,

1038
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,320
and we should expect high things of ourselves and of others.

1039
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,639
But keep in mind that there are a multitude of

1040
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,480
victims of you know, of the powers to be of

1041
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,800
the overarching socio cultural environment of our societies of modern history.

1042
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,400
And that's just a fact. And it's very callous and

1043
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,119
mean spirited to not consider that. And as much as

1044
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,519
I appreciate guys our age, some older, some younger have

1045
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:24,840
run out of patients, they ultimately comes a point. De

1046
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,599
Mesihan returns with beating a dead horse. And then also

1047
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,679
if the if the world around you was burning, maybe

1048
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,400
kicking over those cans of kerosene is not the best idea,

1049
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:35,679
like you know, in the end, try not try not

1050
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,480
immolate yourself in the process, if you get my meaning well.

1051
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 11: And there's additionally, like we are all children in civilizational winter.

1052
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,519
None of us are getting out of this unskethed.

1053
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 6: And and many of us have battle scars, evenly for

1054
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:51,960
well formed people, you.

1055
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 11: Know, one hundred percent. It's like modernity is poisonous on

1056
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,480
your physical as well as a spiritual level. And so

1057
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:06,199
I think that there is a good deal of wisdom

1058
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,320
to you know, the line from Scripture right, you know,

1059
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:14,039
about you know, pointing out the you know, the speck

1060
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,199
in your brother's eye when there's a plank in yours.

1061
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,159
And obviously that is tactically abused to say you can

1062
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,639
never call out something that's obviously bad or.

1063
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 6: You don't need to judge, you know, exactly.

1064
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,039
Speaker 11: And that's not a serious that's not a serious counter argument,

1065
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,880
which doesn't really need to be addressed. But I think

1066
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,840
that it's important to remember that, like, look like there

1067
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,960
are almost none of us who've gotten out of this

1068
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:41,719
completely unscathed. And like if you were waiting for like

1069
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,840
a final victory in the war between the sexes, you know,

1070
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,960
like a total war if you will, like one and

1071
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,920
not ideological end zeke, if I might use the phrase

1072
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,000
yeah exactly, it's like yeah, one that that is not

1073
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:58,480
going to happen, and two like what do you do

1074
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:01,039
in the meantime? Like, well, you were waiting for that

1075
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,360
to come, because at a certain point, it's like you

1076
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,960
have a finite lifespan and you know, if you're simply

1077
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,159
waiting for conditions to improve forever, even if those conditions

1078
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:14,519
are unfair as they are currently right on many different metrics,

1079
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:18,000
you're not really helping yourself. And oftentimes I think this

1080
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:22,239
is a big, a big point of contention between you know,

1081
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,159
older and younger men because you know, the boomer answer

1082
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,920
is like, oh, you know, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, like,

1083
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:32,280
you know, why are you sitting around complaining about it?

1084
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:35,639
And there's several things there, which is one I think

1085
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:39,519
that not all, but many in that generation struggle to

1086
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,000
see how the advantages that they were availed are no

1087
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:48,360
longer possible. So I think there's a certain degree of

1088
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,960
being out of touch. But the problem is on an

1089
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:54,119
individual level, like you and I talking Marcus, that is

1090
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:59,719
actually the correct answer given certain constraints, but it's hard

1091
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,880
to say that if you were at the same time

1092
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:06,400
basically morally hectoring, you know, young guys. There was a

1093
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,480
piece in Uh, there's a piece and I it wasn't

1094
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:13,800
The American Conservative. Let me see if I haven't pulled

1095
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,480
up on my phone somewhere. Uh ah shit, I can't remember.

1096
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:18,159
Speaker 12: Uh.

1097
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 11: It was either The American Conservative or Chronicles or one

1098
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,960
of those kind of you know, legacy mags talking about

1099
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:29,519
you know, why Generation ZS is so radical and it's

1100
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,280
sort of a few people.

1101
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,599
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, a few people approximate to us.

1102
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:36,760
I've touched on this, like actually recently I saw that

1103
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,079
Carl throw up a video like three or four days ago,

1104
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:42,440
basically like trying to boom a whisper to people why

1105
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:44,960
someone like Fuentez is popular as an example, And I

1106
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:49,079
think that's an important question, because like, we get it right,

1107
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:51,440
and our friends get it, but this is multitude of

1108
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,159
people who have been in the miasma for so long,

1109
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:57,039
who can't swell their armpit from their backside, who go, oh, well,

1110
00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:58,880
how the how well has this happened? It's like, well,

1111
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:01,039
you know, I had your wits about you, and your

1112
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:03,199
senses were clear you would know, but clearly you don't.

1113
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:05,000
And it's funny you touch on it because I think

1114
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,880
it's a very pertinent political question of the moment.

1115
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,599
Speaker 11: Well, and the article is interesting, and I realized mentioning

1116
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:14,880
an article that I can't remember the name of or

1117
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,280
who wrote it is poor form.

1118
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:17,039
Speaker 10: Uh.

1119
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 11: But the first half of it, the diagnosis talking about

1120
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:25,599
the you know, the sort of moral lecturing, kind of

1121
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,599
hen pecking from the political left, is completely.

1122
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,599
Speaker 6: And totally the finger wagging types, you know.

1123
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 11: But then without skipping a beat, it flops and it's like,

1124
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,679
and that's why these young men need to, you know,

1125
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,679
pull themselves up by these bootstraff They need to stop

1126
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:42,360
complaining so much. And I'm like, yeah, you're still close.

1127
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,280
You got half of it, but doing the other side

1128
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,800
of it right, doing the exact same thing, And it

1129
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,480
looked like the youth support for the Republican Party is

1130
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:54,360
completely collapsed in America. Yeah, for any number of reasons.

1131
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,400
Right at basins to Israel is certainly one of it,

1132
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:59,440
and if just being seen as intefectual or weak is

1133
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:01,519
perhaps in the worst. But another part of it is

1134
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:07,039
in this language about downward social mobility, the fact that

1135
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,360
basically everyone in this country, regardless of partifiliation, is poorer

1136
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,239
than their parents and grandparents. They're doing worse. And when

1137
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,000
the answer is that's just a Democrat hoax, as the

1138
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:22,440
President said, or you're just lazy, you're just stupid, Stop

1139
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:27,760
buying cell phone, stop buying you know, avocado toast. That's

1140
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:32,440
not particularly great messaging. And look like you know this

1141
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:34,719
as well as I do, Marcus. There are few things

1142
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,880
which lead to a destabilized society more than large numbers

1143
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,000
of young men with no prospects.

1144
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:47,559
Speaker 6: No prospects, nothing to lose, and continual provocation. Yeah, it's

1145
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:49,760
a recipe for disaster. And I mean, to be honest

1146
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,159
with you, I mean, as much as we don't like

1147
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,639
the crippled monster, right. But FDR was quite pertinent in saying,

1148
01:00:55,679 --> 01:00:58,800
although I think how we got there was through a

1149
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,760
particular liberal prism of his own right. But he's what

1150
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,639
he said that like cold, hungry, angry men of the stuff,

1151
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:10,079
revolutions are made of something to that effect, and is right.

1152
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:13,800
But the thing is is that liberalism has done this

1153
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,519
to us in our homelands on purpose, and then vilifies

1154
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:23,920
us for objecting to this fate. And that is the

1155
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:29,159
thing which if our elders who have facilitated this, either

1156
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,760
unwittingly or willfully, if they can do one thing or

1157
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,400
be made to understand one thing, it's actually that.

1158
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:38,159
Speaker 12: Well.

1159
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 11: And obviously the look, you have to separate what FDR

1160
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:52,039
did to America in making an empire and what he

1161
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:55,199
did as a politician. He's a very very good politician.

1162
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:58,039
I mean, there's a reason that he was elected four times,

1163
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:05,840
and it's because, yeah, he was seen to he understood patriotage.

1164
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,800
He understood that the expectation is you will do or

1165
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,360
seem to be doing right. Obviously, you know, all the

1166
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,800
arguments about how FDR's interventions made the depression wor worse

1167
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,599
are largely true, but.

1168
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:18,719
Speaker 6: It didn't matter.

1169
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 11: He was a guide doing something.

1170
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 6: And I think the exception of a being effective, which

1171
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,920
is why that I mean, they're not called they're not

1172
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,599
called Roosevelt Vills. They'll called Hooverville's for that reason.

1173
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Speaker 11: Yeah, And I mean I think it's interesting to look at,

1174
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:39,239
you know, the the kind of comparison to you know,

1175
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,320
what Trump is facing with his collapsing support, like he's

1176
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,880
down to i think fifty five percent strong support among

1177
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,719
his own base. Basically people saying he's doing a good job,

1178
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:56,360
which is apocalyptically bad for any president. Nonetheless, Trump, who

1179
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,719
is incredibly popular historically in his bass but.

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Speaker 6: Also just on that sorry not to interrupt you, but

1181
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,000
just free quickly on that note a considering that in

1182
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:08,000
the first term, for as much as he struggled with

1183
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,360
fringe elements of his support base, his core base remained

1184
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,679
resolutely loyal through everything from twenty fifteen up until reelection,

1185
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,159
right firstly, and then secondly, think he won this last

1186
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:22,920
election just gone on such a mandate on those two

1187
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,119
bases alone, those figures are even more dire.

1188
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,119
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, and you can trast that and it's total horrible.

1189
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:34,880
I genuinely think a big part of it is being

1190
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:40,119
like singing as weak or ineffectual. So you know, for instance,

1191
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:43,559
rate the response from Gavin Newsom to something Trump was

1192
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:46,039
complaining about, which look, I don't like Gavin Newsom and

1193
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:48,159
I don't think he said this, but a Twitter account

1194
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:50,360
with his name on it dead, which basically said like, well,

1195
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,719
why are you complaining. You're the president of America, which

1196
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,320
is a valid point, right, you are the man in charge,

1197
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,559
and you know, I think a lot about the the

1198
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:07,320
you know Louisiana politician uh Hue Long who was assassinated

1199
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:10,840
under shall we say, suspicious circumstances the moment he became

1200
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:16,559
a rival to uh to fdr. Right, what are the chances,

1201
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:19,239
right that the guy who assassinated him was shot so

1202
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,480
many times that his body was unidentifiable? That's weird.

1203
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 6: And that being said, the Fisher king did walk around

1204
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,000
the permanent body guide if the correct Yes, and.

1205
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:31,119
Speaker 11: It seems as if he made the mistake of of

1206
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:34,599
many populist leaders and may have been done in by

1207
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:35,559
his own bodyguards.

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01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:36,239
Speaker 5: Uh.

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01:04:37,639 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 11: But that's a long running conspiracy theory that I completely

1210
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:45,440
and totally believe. But again, right, he was propelled to

1211
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:52,119
power because he was seen as effectively answering these sort

1212
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:56,440
of long ignored questions. Right, that he was a rejection of,

1213
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,679
you know, a previous order who was offering nothing to

1214
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,679
be and you know he went about the same sort

1215
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:04,280
of patriots.

1216
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:04,519
Speaker 10: Right.

1217
01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 11: He built a hospital that you know, admittedly now is abandoned,

1218
01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:09,840
but you know bore his name. You know, he made

1219
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,400
his name, you know, building schools and projects and things

1220
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,000
like that. And so the reason I bring that up

1221
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:18,280
is that, like it really at a certain point being

1222
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,800
seen as able to do something right, even if you're

1223
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,199
not someone who directly ever goes to that hospital, but

1224
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,119
it's something that you you did for me. You know,

1225
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:31,280
this sort of like magnanimity, that there is someone who

1226
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,039
is even in you know, an indirect way in life.

1227
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 6: You've around twenty nine thousand days, and those days can

1228
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:39,719
be full of.

1229
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 11: What ifs, like what if it doesn't work?

1230
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:45,079
Speaker 6: But what if it does?

1231
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 11: What if you really went after it?

1232
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 6: Because life is measured in those moments, So go after everyone.

1233
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:56,519
Speaker 11: Talk to AIB today and let's see how we can

1234
01:05:56,599 --> 01:06:00,639
turn your what ifs into what's next. AIB for the

1235
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:01,519
life you're after.

1236
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 20: Alad ersh Banks PLC is regulated by the Central Bank

1237
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:05,400
of Ireland.

1238
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 12: Imagine heartburn protection that lasts up to twenty four hours

1239
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:15,280
from first thing in the morning the last thing at night.

1240
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:21,559
Don't just imagine. Nexium Control gastro resistant tablets provide up

1241
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:26,840
to twenty four hour uninterrupted heartburn protection. Nexium Control twenty

1242
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:32,719
milligram gastro resistant tablets. Ask your pharmacist contains soomeprazol used

1243
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:35,400
for up to two weeks. Always read the label or leaflet.

1244
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 11: Interested in me right is very basic politics, but nonetheless

1245
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,039
something that like you you need to have that because

1246
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,079
simply saying and this applies to the you know, the

1247
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:51,679
conversation about women as well. Your your concerns are completely

1248
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:55,880
illegitimate and don't matter, Like, that's not a strategy that works.

1249
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 6: And more, obviously, this is the country you're born in,

1250
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,360
your citizens, this country of ansis is buried in this

1251
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,000
country and the institutions which makes this country what it is.

1252
01:07:05,079 --> 01:07:07,800
We are going to turn against you because you were dissenting.

1253
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,320
That is actually the most abhorrent aspect of it, oh.

1254
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 11: One hundred percent. And the reason I think this is

1255
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:17,719
relevant to the to the conversation with women is that, like,

1256
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:19,679
and this is the point that Dave Green has made

1257
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:21,920
a number of times, just like, you need to offer

1258
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,320
women as a class something and it doesn't have to

1259
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,400
be what they say they want. It doesn't have to

1260
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,639
be you know, fifty percent representation in every you know,

1261
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:33,400
elected body in the world, or you know, the abolition

1262
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,199
of the gender pay gap or whatever. But you do

1263
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,639
need to offer them something. You need to offer them

1264
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:42,440
a way out of this because effectively, modernity has made

1265
01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:45,159
everyone miserable. And you see this in the data on

1266
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,760
you know, men and women both that you know, people

1267
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,639
are not pair bonding, they're not you know, forming relationships.

1268
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:54,519
They're deeply, deeply unhappy. And the way to win in

1269
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:58,519
a situation like that is not to you know, achieve

1270
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,280
like sexual end seek right, is not to have this

1271
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,639
sort of you know, Roman peace where you salt the earth.

1272
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:08,119
It's like, well, there needs to be a sort of yeah,

1273
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:13,119
and and look like this is why generally speaking, I'm

1274
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:16,199
actually quite white built, because you know, we understand the

1275
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:19,560
relative push and pull of politics on men and women,

1276
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:23,000
right where generally women tend to follow men politically, and

1277
01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:25,800
obviously if they are simply not interacting with men at

1278
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,520
all in any serious capacity, that's a problem. But I

1279
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:34,600
think that generally speaking, like there things are not I

1280
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,119
see a sort of possibility in this sort of like

1281
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,159
you know, young I guess kind of you know, dissident movement.

1282
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:45,039
And it's not just our literal friends, Marcus, but you know,

1283
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,359
I've been kind of encouraged by seeing this sort of

1284
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,279
resistance in in your country, right. You know, a lot

1285
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:56,520
of you know, young guys predominantly you know, basically fighting

1286
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,680
hard against the same you know, forces that are kind

1287
01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:58,880
of you.

1288
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:04,520
Speaker 6: Know, flicking Australian shit poster, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly. No,

1289
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,079
You're quite right. You're quite right. There is there is

1290
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:09,520
a reason from them is. And I think you're right also.

1291
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:15,159
I mean, I've to admit, as a result of some experiences,

1292
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,159
my opinion has slightly hardened on the woman question. But

1293
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,720
I will always maintain the position I've always had in that.

1294
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,600
You know, I think the idea that we are just

1295
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,199
going to jettison women and somehow win our civilization back

1296
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:33,039
is fanciful. I think we do need to offer women something,

1297
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:35,600
and I think also we should. The women who are

1298
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,520
sincerely on the same page and are with us should

1299
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,439
be cherished and protected. And I think you are right

1300
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,039
in saying that within our broader realm there ought to

1301
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:49,079
be a feminine domain that is protected by us men.

1302
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:51,239
Not that we white night for them, not that we

1303
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,800
enable them and their excesses, or that we engage in

1304
01:09:54,880 --> 01:10:00,439
eternal apologia for the should I say, less beneficial specs

1305
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:05,199
of femininity and of of the female nature, but that

1306
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:08,600
if there is to be some kind of either rejuvenation

1307
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,880
into the future or some kind of return that reorients,

1308
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:17,159
reorientent reorients us towards a better future going forward.

1309
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 12: Is that.

1310
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 6: I mean, civilizations are not sausage fests. You know, we

1311
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,920
need each other and when things are well, men and

1312
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,159
women should want each other. And I think trying to

1313
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:30,960
go down this sort of and I'm not saying it's

1314
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,680
a throw shade on them specifically, but like to go

1315
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,880
down to like this sort of like Tait in cell Root.

1316
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,039
It's put this way, I would call it a quick

1317
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:44,039
path to an alleviation that deprives us, deprives us of

1318
01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:45,880
a long term victory. We need to keep that in mind.

1319
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think this is almost impressive, Marcus,

1320
01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:54,760
because we've violated both promises we made, which is first

1321
01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:58,159
not to send gender slap discourse and also we have

1322
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,439
now five minutes over not talked about the DuPont's at all.

1323
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:05,439
This is almost and I want you know, I think

1324
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,840
it must be. It must be something about you Italians,

1325
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,239
because Geo and I did the exact same thing. We

1326
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:11,399
were supposed to review a movie.

1327
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 6: We're talking to we're talking to people, you know. Yeah,

1328
01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:17,039
I mean this way. This is why, this is why

1329
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,239
cis Rose Cataline Orations are several books long. I mean

1330
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:24,199
us Italian and even like I have to conclude the

1331
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:26,680
Greeks in this right, And I don't know if you've

1332
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,079
heard this, but I've described myself in this way before,

1333
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:33,279
is it. We have many qualities, brevity is not one

1334
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:33,600
of them.

1335
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 11: Well, it's actually funny. I almost always brought this up.

1336
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,399
But the whole conversation we we're talking about, you know,

1337
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,560
attraction and all that. All all I can think of

1338
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,199
is is Avid, right, who very much is in the

1339
01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:51,119
same tradition, you know, just speaking at great length. Uh, yes,

1340
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:54,600
the Uh, it's actually funny.

1341
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 8: I have.

1342
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,399
Speaker 11: I don't have a lot of experience with the Roman poets,

1343
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,399
but I actually enjoyed Ovid quite a bit, uh, you

1344
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:07,199
know when I got my fragmentary classics degree. But uh,

1345
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:12,359
Tullus is just filthy, like just disgusting. And uh you

1346
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:15,239
have a by the way, like I said, those are

1347
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,239
the two of them, and then Virgil are what I

1348
01:12:18,279 --> 01:12:21,199
have the most experienced with as far as poetry. I like,

1349
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,760
I preferred Avid by far. Uh Virgil I enjoy reading,

1350
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:28,920
but his it's just such a bare to translate. Yeah,

1351
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,600
Virgil is just a nightmare to try and read in

1352
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,479
the original language because it'll be like a full page,

1353
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,800
and it's like, Okay, what is actually happening here versus

1354
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,159
what is like ancillary detail? And you'll realize this is

1355
01:12:41,159 --> 01:12:44,600
a paragraph the length of a page with basically one

1356
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,760
verb that is determining what is happening. And so it

1357
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,479
sort of ruined my enjoyment of his poetry because I

1358
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,800
just get so mad trying to like figure out what's

1359
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:55,640
actually happening.

1360
01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:56,319
Speaker 10: Uh.

1361
01:12:57,359 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 11: Very poor Latin student.

1362
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 6: But uh, I have to say that for me, my

1363
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,199
favorite of the poles would have to be Horrors or Horatius.

1364
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:09,479
I feel that I feel that Horatius for me, he

1365
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,039
kind of has a bit of that. He like, he's

1366
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:15,279
got that sort of stomic seriousness of someone like Saysis

1367
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:18,199
or Seneca, but he also has like this levity to

1368
01:13:18,319 --> 01:13:20,680
him in this sort of sense of you know, he's

1369
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,079
not Epicurean, but he kind of sees the logic in

1370
01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:25,720
the Epicureans. And you know, what, you live once, and

1371
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,960
you're blessed the life, and whilst you have time on

1372
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:29,800
this earth, you should actually enjoy aspects of it, not

1373
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,039
that you should debase yourself. He's still need morality, but

1374
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,119
you know, you do need to laugh you know, injecting

1375
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:38,159
a joke into discourse actually makes things better. You know,

1376
01:13:39,319 --> 01:13:42,560
there's insights that Horruce has that I find really like

1377
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,159
if I was, I think, I mean, I know, the

1378
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,439
whole like, oh, you have solo as your PfP thing.

1379
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,319
But if I actually was to have like the character

1380
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:53,399
of a Roman like imbued in me, probably someone like Katius,

1381
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:54,359
they would say.

1382
01:13:56,039 --> 01:13:58,319
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's it is. That's an interesting point I need

1383
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:05,399
to go back through. I'm woefully underread on poetry generally.

1384
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,880
It's not really my my bag per se. But I

1385
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,199
do think it's interesting that the national character of different

1386
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:18,399
poets is incredibly accurate and it is. It is just

1387
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,960
funny to me the difference between these like sort of

1388
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:27,319
like you know, dark brooding, you know Anglo Norman poets, right,

1389
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:32,399
you know, writing like and then the the obviously the

1390
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,319
Romans are the Utalians, let alone the Germans, who I

1391
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:40,159
am horribly underread even within a field I don't know

1392
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:43,760
anything about with German poetry. But Marcus, we're overtime. This

1393
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,680
has been a ton of fun. Where can people find you?

1394
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 6: Before I I do that, I just want to ask

1395
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,800
you one quick question for me. You have that Roman's

1396
01:14:53,119 --> 01:14:56,600
post in the background. Now is that the poor spot

1397
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,840
It's like fifteens for nineteen fifty five.

1398
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:00,279
Speaker 14: No, it is not.

1399
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,199
Speaker 11: That is the Jaguar type c ah, damn it closed?

1400
01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 6: Nevermind? This is actually quite nice.

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Speaker 11: Yeah it is. It's a cool uh, very limited run

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replica print. And when I say replica, it is the

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same composition of the original, but rebound by a modern artist.

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It's super cool, uh. Ind and I'm quite partial to

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01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,840
the to the C type and the D type. We

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had a red D type at the at the collection.

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01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:37,880
It was red and cream, incredibly beautiful car. But uh

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01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:43,199
had the worst fuel system known to man. I if

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anyone should be forced to pay reparations, UH, the company

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01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:50,640
formerly known as Jaguar should pay me reparations for making

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01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,399
such a god off of fuel system.

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 6: Well, you know the claim that the the guys or

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clerks from top kies to make is that England, you know,

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like from when automobiles became ubiquitous up till the seeks

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01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:05,079
these England awake to the sound of you know, because

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01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:08,399
like all they are Lucas fuel pumps were just crap, right,

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01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,840
And then the moment the first freaking Honda riding assault

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to the public and have to who you know straight away,

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01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,239
and that like the English order industry died when the

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first Japanese car was sold.

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Speaker 11: Yes, and it was in addition to many other things.

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The Brits never figured out two things, which is actually

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another to say this. This is just most of internal combustion.

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It was spark and fuel, which now that I say

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that is two thirds of making a car, which is

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not a great great start.

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Speaker 6: Exactly like you to a combustion actually means something, by

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the way.

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, they like Triumphs, were using generators well into

1449
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,479
the seventies instead of alterned downs, which is just a

1450
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,439
massive pain because it means that the thing that produces

1451
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,600
the electricity for your car is constantly breaking itself. It

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01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,199
requires abrasion, and so once those little points wear down,

1453
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:02,520
it just doesn't work anymore. And oh you want those points, well,

1454
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,039
guess what. It's made by a guy in a shed

1455
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:07,880
in the middle of a moor somewhere. He takes them

1456
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all to close enough.

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Speaker 6: Spec so like some cottage shed in freaking East Anglia.

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01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:17,279
Speaker 11: You know, yeah, exactly, the spec is whatever Bob felt

1459
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And can you get one?

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01:18:20,359 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 6: No, you got another order for points? Or do it

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01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,039
after you have your tea and scones?

1462
01:18:24,079 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 11: You know, yeah, just just blasted off of dark, high

1463
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,359
volume beer at all.

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01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:34,039
Speaker 6: Moments anyway, we are overtime, so you can find me

1465
01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:39,079
on on Twitter. It's renovar to you. If you is,

1466
01:18:39,319 --> 01:18:42,239
I have it you handle. But if your friend just

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01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,199
send me a request and I will accept. And obviously

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I'm the co host on the Apostolic Majesty channel. In fact,

1469
01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:52,199
I shall be on tomorrow. We are we're entering into

1470
01:18:52,319 --> 01:18:54,039
Japan final. We've had this on the cards for the

1471
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:58,159
last few months and actually am put out episode last

1472
01:18:58,199 --> 01:19:02,640
week about Catholic Japan and influence of the Portuguese and

1473
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,039
the Western colonials to Japan. And we are doing I

1474
01:19:06,119 --> 01:19:09,560
think myself report Augustus. I think Hitman as well. There's

1475
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,000
a few of us that will be on tomorrow night

1476
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,119
and we will have that going.

1477
01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 11: And yeah, I'm.

1478
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:19,159
Speaker 6: Also sort of way if you if you come across

1479
01:19:19,359 --> 01:19:21,079
you know, Charlie or Jay Burton or any of the

1480
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,520
old old glow club boys, you know, you can get

1481
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,199
a hold of me pretty easily. Also have Telegram, don't

1482
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:29,119
really use it that much, but I'm around. Just have

1483
01:19:29,239 --> 01:19:31,239
to at me because I don't really check my notifications

1484
01:19:31,239 --> 01:19:34,680
because I'm hopeless. But that aside, it's been splendid Jay Burton,

1485
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,479
I'm glad we could tangent many points. I was gonna say,

1486
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,800
next episode, we definitely got to touch on Japont And

1487
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:42,640
now after you mentioned it, we got with you know,

1488
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,039
we should play like a game of like we should

1489
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:47,279
punch in some like racing driver names from the seventies

1490
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:49,680
and do like a Muther categorization like rank them from

1491
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:50,199
one to ten.

1492
01:19:52,079 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm thinking of we have some fun honest thing.

1493
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,479
We also have to do that and then a rank

1494
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:02,560
order like which nationality has the best bullets? Because you know,

1495
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,000
you like, you know, I know, but there there are

1496
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,319
a couple of NASCAR drivers that I think would give

1497
01:20:08,359 --> 01:20:09,520
you a run for your mind.

1498
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 6: True, true, true when it comes to tashes. I mean, god,

1499
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,079
dal D saying you know, I mean, come on, you

1500
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:21,479
know there.

1501
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 11: This is the most American Southern thing ever.

1502
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 6: But there's a.

1503
01:20:25,399 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 11: Dale Earnhardt themed roller coaster and they actually it was

1504
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,600
it's an awesome roller coaster. I think that's what it's called.

1505
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:38,600
But they actually had to change it because it was breaking.

1506
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,479
Next it was literally like fracturing. If you were in

1507
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:42,479
particularly week.

1508
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,159
Speaker 6: It was very Nascal like, isn't it.

1509
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 11: I know, It's just just just like that's one of

1510
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,960
those under like, that's what he would have wanted. You know.

1511
01:20:50,079 --> 01:20:53,039
Speaker 6: It's like that line from Days of Thunder Come now

1512
01:20:53,079 --> 01:20:55,960
it's coming across a notorious turn forward in Indianapolis.

1513
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 11: You know, yeah that's break you know, yeah, well that's

1514
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,399
that's what it was, is that there was like this

1515
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,239
huge drop with a huge bank's turn because of course

1516
01:21:06,319 --> 01:21:10,319
it was right. It's like the NASCAR racetrack rollers and

1517
01:21:11,079 --> 01:21:14,279
for a certain number of people it would just partially

1518
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:19,760
separate their spine from their skull. And as far as

1519
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,439
I'm concerned, that's a skill issue. Uh sorry, you're too

1520
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,960
weak to go on this and now it's safe and

1521
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:27,319
lane or whatever.

1522
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:35,239
Speaker 6: Just like but that's another discussion today. The aney exactly listen,

1523
01:21:35,319 --> 01:21:37,840
thank you. I really really enjoyed it, as I do

1524
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,279
with all that conversations, very much enjoyed them, Jay Burner,

1525
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:42,800
look forward to Well, we'll definitely have to try and

1526
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,960
see up a closer fonts. We don't forget your point,

1527
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,359
and we have to start with your pond. O. It's

1528
01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:47,760
gonna become a running gag where we don't have you

1529
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:48,720
talk about your ponds.

1530
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,119
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's just a four part series where we never

1531
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:53,800
talk about the central.

1532
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, land up like to met Steven Sagull again. But anyway,

1533
01:21:58,079 --> 01:21:58,600
it doesn't matter.

1534
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 11: That's its own uh, that's its own rabbit hole. But anyway,

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last break.

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