Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Life's Quest, the place where we
explore the physical, the spiritual, the mental and the emotional
on a journey around Essex pretty much, isn't it? And
welcome to the studio fellow questers.
Speaker 2: Mister Richard Kent Hell idea.
Speaker 1: Mister Berry, he's back off of his Hollybobs. Did you
have a good holiday?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was a right, really do a lot as usual,
just moped around a couple of places, but yeah, it
was enjoyable.
Speaker 2: Two A.
Speaker 1: No sympathy whatsoever. So boys, last episode we were talking
about the Saint Mary's and the feedback from some of
our listeners was it gets a little confusing, and it does.
It gets confusing for us too, because we've got a
lot more links and stuff going on than we can
actually sort of all join together in like an hour show.
So we're kind of trying to tackle that by separating
the threads really between the psychic and the physical, aren't we.
Speaker 2: Boys.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where we're trying to go, which is
why there's no Malana at the moment. Right. So when
we went to Saint Mary's, we'd read a really vague
article about sarsen stones hadn't we, Richard, We can't find
it now, which is the really annoying thing.
Speaker 3: We did read it.
Speaker 1: Which because that's why we ended up looking for sarsen stones.
Speaker 3: Well, that was the annoying thing about it. I came
across this, I thought, and it is quite well documented.
There's even photographs of them in situ on the interweb somewhere,
you know, and you know, and it's listed on a
couple of quite major sites. But I you know, but
on visiting, they don't appear to be there anymore, unless
we're actually missing something. But yeah, that's about That's about
the crux of it. But I think we did discover
quite a unique place anyway, that was certainly sort of
should be within our sort of area of interest. It
certainly added another layer of interest.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it was how this unfolded was a little
bit crazy. So the guys are on, the guys are
actually have a day out and they're looking for sarsen stones.
That's how. It's just having a lad's day looking for
sarsen stones in places. And that's kind of where you
was at, wasn't it, Darryl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we tried to look for them,
as Richard said, there was. We found a couple of
pictures on the internet where they said they were. One
of them said it was in like the church hall
car park that we couldn't find in there, and another
one was in the main entrance of the church, but
it wasn't there either, So either they've got them inside
or they've been moved somewhere else, but today we can't
find them.
Speaker 1: So the place that the guys are referring to is
actually a church, quite local really, and it's called Thundersley Church.
And that's why the boys ended up there in the
first place, because they were looking for these sarsen stones.
Now this was the place you found your necklace, wasn't it, Daryl?
Speaker 2: It was indeed, So do you want to.
Speaker 1: Tell because that was on the occasion you went with Richard,
wasn't it during the day?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well previously I've had a dream about this necklace.
Well it started off with the from the well first
of all, about a necklace that was hidden in a
tree that we still haven't found yet, but we will
persevere on that one.
Speaker 1: I said, all good things to those who wait.
Speaker 4: I had this dream about this, this necklace, and this
sort of. It was a certain shape. It was sort
of a chain coming down and then three chains come
off of it with like a pendum bit at the
bottom of it. And I thought nothing else of it.
I mean, it was just a dream dream. But then
when Mitchard went to this church, and like we walked
around this church. We looked at the entrance to the church.
It was a metal gate on the entrance to it,
and where it was one of the Saason stares was
supposed to be, and it wasn't there.
Speaker 2: So we carroll'm walking around again and.
Speaker 4: Richard went one way, I went another way, and eventually
I walked all the way around the church again and
I ended up back at the church entrance where the
Sassin star was supposed to be. But as I said,
there was no sassins done. But now there was a
necklace hanging on the on the metalwork of the church door,
and I picked it up and I looked at it,
and it was exactly and my dream was exactly the same.
It was elegant marbles and diamonds everything else in it,
but ba it was exactly the same. It's the same.
One chain coming down, three chains cup of it and
appended the butt with it. I mean it wasn't there before.
I mean, I said to Richard, I mean he went,
he walked past it as well before and there was
nothing on the door.
Speaker 2: Nothing at is.
Speaker 3: This this was sort of like my first sort of
odd experience because me and Dale were at that doorway
looking for the Sarazen stones before we both went our
separate ways, and I basically came back and Daryl was
standing back at that doorway which has got a great
which has got a metal grate, and in front of
it and hanging on it was this necklace, which I
can quite constantly say was not there because you couldn't
miss it. You couldn't miss it. We would have found
it on the first sort of passing and so to speak,
I mean, making that what you will. But I am
convinced that if these things do materialize from the either
and perhaps this was our first experience of it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely. I don't believe through things now. I mean,
after a dream and then the fans of the same necklace,
I mean, what can you think?
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I mean I'm quite envious to you
and you and your dreams because they do seem to
come to something I mean, and my dreams are just
a load of old rubbish and they're so b but dreams.
But I know you have had the experiences since, but
we won't go into that. But yeah, but your dream
seemed to yield a lot more. But there you go.
You are Darryl.
Speaker 1: He's the dream maker of the group. First of all,
the guys are a bit mind blown by this. This
is a massive like, oh my god, how the hell
did that happen kind of moment, and like that's all
a bit weird, and hang on a minute, I had
a dream and oh my god. So they take me
back to the church, me and my lane. Now we
go back to the church with them. Now, this churchyard
is quite high, isn't it. It's a real high point. It's
sitting on the top of a hill. And the graveyard
itself is like tiered. It's got an awful lot of subsidence.
There's a lot of trees growing through grave graves and
things like that. It's quite an extensive kind of graveyard
as well, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Or like you walk beyond the church, you go
to the church itself and you think, oh, is this it?
Because it really just berks right on the top of
the hill. There's not a lot of space around it
because it all drops off to the road one side,
but you walk down the back and it's got a
massive graveyard and as you said, Kerry's and it's like
a terrast graveyard because they've obviously had to try and
make do with the space on the side of a hill.
And it's hinge and sort of like it. I think
it's like on a public right of way. There's a
lot of people going through and walking their dogs. I
think there's a build to the side of it. And yeah,
and that was I thought. And after the church, well,
not disappointment with the church, I mean the Sassin stone
and an expedition didn't really well, we didn't find the stones,
but we did find something quite significant regarding Daryl's necklace.
But yeah, and quite.
Speaker 1: Really because when we all went back something else unfolded
in that time. Yeah, but we were quite drawn to
a what was an old tree basically wasn't it, And
it was a bare trunk and it had the bark
on it, but it was coming off a bit and
I don't know what took me, but I felt compelled
to pull the bark off and as I was pulling
the bark off, I mean loads of crack came out
of it. I was choking on the dust. I mean,
god knows what I breathed in, but that it was
a compulsion to do that, and every time I pulled
a piece of the bark that was going to come
off it. Anyway, I was saying to you, what do
you see? And what you saw was like the sun
shining on this oak, and it seemed to be pointing
in the direction and we were looking at a grave
and it looked like there was a knight stood by
this grave. Do you remember that.
Speaker 2: Looking at that?
Speaker 4: I mean looked up at it, and uh, first of all,
I think, first of all, it was it was a
shape of Originally what I saw it was like a
monk sort of thing, That's all I can think, you know,
like a in a cloak and all that, first of all.
Speaker 2: And then once I've got that, then yeah, I could
see this like a knight. And I mean.
Speaker 4: It was unmistakable. I mean we ended up walking up
there and it wasn't a night at all. It was
just the gravestone on the on the back of a tree.
But yeah, that yielded a few more bits that I
did say you'll get on too.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, because we then went I looked at this
particular grave. We went over there because you know, obviously
there's a is important, right, so you go puddling over there.
And the headstone itself is actually a normal headstone. It's like,
you know, too's you know, God beloved somebody who died,
and their dates and all the rest of it that's
on this particular gravestone. But when we looked at it,
there were certain things that kind of like jumped out.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The first was a name. It was Albert, but all
I could see was the Burke because that seemed to
stand out from it, and we know that one of
Darryl's guides is.
Speaker 2: Called Bert, right, yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: The second was the date, because it was literally around
the same date, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: It was the seventeenth on the actual grave, and we
was I think our date was we the fifteenth or sixteenth?
Speaker 2: We was at the church, that's right, one of them.
Speaker 1: Two, Yeah, I think it was the fifteenth because that
was the Sunday, wasn't one. And the gentleman's name was Castle,
so it be Albert Castle. But that really stood out too,
and just I just turned around and I said, where
is there a castle around here that we know? Now
we're incredibly blessed because where we live, or where me
and Daryl live, we look at the ruins of a
castle which is Hadley Castle, which again we know is
quite integrally regard the lay lines thing. So it was
all on the point of interest to go back there.
And we're getting kind of a message to be there
at a certain date, and it all are lines that
we all can be there on that date. So that
led us to Hadley Castle. So no sarsen stones, but
one necklace and one spirit resage sending us to another
place another day. So we go to Hadley Castle and
we're wandering around. We don't quite know why we're there.
We're just sort of see what happens. I'd read the
cards before we went, and they had sort of said
that basically we were meeting somebody that was integral. Okay,
let it play out. So off we pod of lovely day, right,
lovely evening. It was quite evening, actually, wasn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was one of our evening excursions, wasn't it. And
it was a very.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was very warm and years and years
and years ago, and I'm talking a long time ago. Myself,
Darren and Richard had done an experiment at home in
my conservatory, which was matt Dowsing, and it had pinpointed
a bridge at the bottom of the hill near Handy Castle.
So we had said before we went, while we're there,
we'll have a we'll have a look. We'll just go
down there and we'll have a little look. So that's
kind of what the goal was, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, barrel, sorry gone, I've gone.
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, yeah, because whenever, whenever I visited an Athlete castle,
I've never really gone beyond the parcel itself. So it's
actually quite good to go down and follow the track
past the castle and go down onto the flat land
which is immediately beneath. So that was sort of quite
quite something. And the bridge story because you were also
aware of this bridge or you thought you could remember
it there or from your misspent youth when you used
to hang out sort of go places, And wasn't it
something to do with bottles and things?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I was young then. I mean I
always used to go up there.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's called heady downs now I
don't know if it's still called that, but I used
to go up there quite a lot and walk from
there to Handy Castle. I mean then it was it
was all farmers fields and there was all cows and
things and everything else, not like he is now. I
mean it's more wheat and all that in there.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I think there's still got cars in it, but it's
more wheat fields than anything. But yeah, there used to
be an old bridge down our way used to go
between this bridge that was there. It was it was
knocked down the bridge. It was only either side of
it you could see. But yeah, it was a bottle
impit where you'd find old medicine bottles and things like
that from years and years ago, like onestle medicine bottles
with little ball bearings like bearings but marbles inside. I
think that was a measure in the measuring the medicine
and all that. But yeah, I mean there used to
be loads there and loads actually in the fields as well,
bottles in the fields as well.
Speaker 2: But I mean that was that was years ago. And
we did walk down there, and we we did try
and get to there.
Speaker 4: Because we went down to the there was a bridge
goes over the railway, but we couldn't get in there
because it was Packton there. So we did walk along
towards where the bottle impit was, but there's a fence
all around.
Speaker 2: It now and you can't actually access to it.
Speaker 4: I mean, we think you can get from the other
side if you walk from Benfleet Creek along that way
and get to it that way, but we haven't done that. Yeah,
which we'll still got to get onto. But yeah, we
went there first of all, and then I think that
was about it down there, unless you can think of
anything else, Cary.
Speaker 1: No, No, we just had a look around, but nothing
was really him, was it. It was like, okay, it's interesting.
We took a few photos, but then we sort of
just like made our way back up because nothing kind
of like was showing itself as it were, you know,
like we normally get signs and stuff like that, but
we weren't really getting anything. It was just like a
pleasant walk, weren't it really?
Speaker 3: Well, yes, and you're right, we were sort of like trying,
and I think sort of we were sort of following
Darryl's sort of que from his memories when he was
younger going down there. But I think the area has
changed because you can't seem to cross the railway anywhere
down there now. It's all sort of fenced off and
probably and quite rightly so, to stop kids playing and
stuff like that. So it's so, you know, sort of
down there, you're quite sort of you know, you're either
one side of the railway, you know, and you can't
get across to the other. But I feel and I
think this is where you're sort of light and heading
towards Kerry. It wasn't until we decided to come back,
walk back and go towards the castle things started the
change a little bit, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It started to shift because as we walked back, we
we came to a bit we could have gone back
exactly the way we came, or up a trackway and
actually you said to me, oh, look, there's pheasants down
the trackway and I sort of said, oh no, we'll
just carry on, and then you went there's pheasants. Now,
pheasants has been a bit of a thing in the
you know, in the quest up to now with it's
kind of like been a bit of a vibe. Yeah,
we went, okay, then let's go and follow the pheasants.
As you do, you know, because the grasping for signs
and the peasant was one of them. So off we puddled.
So we go up the track. We didn't see the
peasants they're scarpered, but we did see the heron. Now,
first of all, we heard the call, didn't we. It
called if that's the right word for a heron call.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When you see they are always quite fascinating to
look and to look at. And when you see them
because they look almost prehistoric, I don't they they're like
a terror that.
Speaker 1: They're a big bed, didn't they?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think they're possibly the biggest we've got apart
from beagles or probably up in Scotland.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: So this this is all of a sudden, I'm like,
what direction is that flying from? Because it was going
towards Montree Island or Two Tree Island, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I said where is it come from? And we
sort of like clocked the direction in regards to the sun,
and I thought, and I know, I just noted it.
And then as we turned onto the trackway there was
loads of these ferny kind of we're not seeing them
really before weeds and we did a plant check on
his weeds, and it turned out that we're called horsetails.
And again the horse had been a really relevant thing.
So now I'm starting to get excited about three reoccurring
themes of the quest come up in a succession. So
I'm now going right, Okay, oh, we're on the moon.
Something's going to happen like this, but I'm just keeping
it in as you do. Anyway, we walk up, and
as we're starting to walk up, we walk around the
bottom of the castle to approach it from a different angle.
And as we're walking down the bottom, the castles above
us on the hill, literally directly above us on the hill,
and in the sky there's a drone and this drone
is buzzing around and it's saying it's a lovely evening
and it's great. I bet the person got amazing views
of the castle on that night as well as Daryl's bottom.
We're all waving like children.
Speaker 5: Darryl, your learn is about our d He does like
to expose its bottom at times.
Speaker 1: So but as we walked up the top, in my head,
I'm like, we've got to talk to that man. So
we go and have a litch hated mister drone man,
don't we can you remember his thanks? He has a
YouTube channel, doesn't he?
Speaker 4: Yes, I can't memb what his YouTube channel was actually,
but I've got him. I've got him on with YouTube.
It's I can't remember. I can't remember what it was.
I'm just looking actually sitting on the computer and net.
Speaker 1: Okay, you google that while we're doing this, you check
that detail out. We've got give him a shout out
because seems brilliant, won't he talking about? And whilst we're
talking to this gentleman, Richard goes to me, Oh my goodness,
are there there's two falcons.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They're either sort of pestals or sparrow hawks, which you
do see. I mean most people will see them above
hedgeroones or will usually along motorway versions there, and they're
the birds that hover whilst they're looking for like insects
and prey. But this is the first time i'd actually
seen a pair sort of not hunting sort of. I think,
well it was quite sort of the evening was getting
was getting on a bit and I think they were
possibly preparing to roost, you know, so they were, but
they flew around. That's one of them flew around the
South Tower, and I thought, that's all we're going to
see of them, you know, and I managed to sort of.
I think you may have seen it at that time,
Perry or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't see it the first time you
said it. But you were blown away by that, weren't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was, you know, and I think, well, you know,
something different again. But they're definitely and you can see
they because when you see birds of prey, you know
they do and they are special because you know, they
don't have the same sort of heads as sparrows and
sort of things like that. They have that black sort
of face. You know, it's like seeing it's like seeing
it an owl. You know, they're quite quite special when
you do see them, sort of quite close up.
Speaker 1: So me and Richard are gushing. He's cast really things.
Daryl's deep in conversation. Did you find out did you
check your data out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, his name was Peter.
Speaker 1: Channel.
Speaker 2: It's a cruise life his channel, that's what it's called.
Speaker 1: To go check it out because I bet he took
some amazing views and he's got other videos on there
as well.
Speaker 2: Videos on there, so will pop.
Speaker 1: His link actually in the when this goes live, we'll
pop his link in the comments section. So Daryl's deep
in conversation with the mister drone guy and has always
fancied himself a bit of a drone, haven't you, as in,
you've always like bought cheap ones and had to go
but never really got your teeth into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bought a cheap one of the team.
Speaker 4: Much of my discussion you know what ship and uh A,
bob this drone. And I mean the first I got
it in my lounge, I've got it out of the packet,
all excited. I've turned it on and smacked it straight
in front of me TV gash out of my TV,
probably went back in the box.
Speaker 2: I never used it again and thought, no, I'm not
having that anymore. But yeah, I mean, I've always wanted
the drone.
Speaker 4: And uh, as I was talking to Peter and or that,
he was showing me his one and all that, and
I thought myself, yeah, I'm going to get one.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I was going to get one the same as what
he got. He had a dj dj I one and
which is quite a good good drone. And he said
to me, if you're going to get one, get the
get the new one. Out, which is the four, which
is a bit better. So I decided to buy it
one and unfortunately it's still on my table. I still
haven't taken it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm nagging him relentlessly, Ladies out there.
Speaker 4: I want to take it out. I want to read
up when it first. I mean, to be fair, I've
now on my phone and on the computer. I've got
the documents to read up on it, so I know
what the controls are, So give me a little bit
of a head start instead of going out. But I mean,
Richie had a good idea the other day and he said, like,
get in touch with the bloke and if he's like
local apps, go out with him and give you a
few pointers, which is a good idea, which I haven't
done that yet.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's evolving for you though. This is now
like a new project for you, isn't It's to actually
fulfill that dream that you had about having a drone.
Now you've got one, a really good one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's all going to come in andy in
the Quest as well.
Speaker 1: Well. That's one of the reasons, Like, you know, the
Quest took you to where you have to be. Now
at this point we leave because we've kind of it's
now nighttime has fallen, and it's time to sort of
like we think, you know, we're quite happy. We think
we've achieved what we needed to achieve, and we come
away and we follow the direction of the Heron because
that was really bugging me which direction it was coming from,
and this is not accurate. I would just like to
point this out. This was, Oh, it's by the sun,
it must be roughly that direction. And I follow that
direction on the map and I find a place called
Heron Hall, and so I just bring it to the table.
We were looking for where next to go on the quest,
and I sort of mentioned that I found this place
on the map, just a Google map search that was
And it's like kind of like the Heron had been
a thing through again one of the spirit signs. Particularly
for me, yes, because that has been a recurring sign
my own personal journey for the last two years. So
for me, this was really really important. And Heron Hall
kind of like seemed too it's too named, like you've
got to go there. So anyway, how this played out
was a little bit weird because normally we'd all get
together and we'd all go right, but On the first
occasion there was only two people. Then there were three people,
and then it was two people, so it was two
three two. How we've all visited Heron Hall, So Richard, right,
can you just explain roughly the layout of what we're
looking at here, because it's in the middle of a farm,
so you do have to be mindful we are, Richard.
Speaker 3: Otherwise that actually goes round the site. It's the remains
of a medieval manor house, a moated manor house, which
were very common back in the day. And yes, and
it's got the new hall next to it. It's called
New Heron Hall, I think, you know, and that is
just like a modern farm. But the remains of the
old hall are still there, but they're not remains, you know,
you won't see you don't see much. It's just it's
just the moat still intact. You've got the middle section
which you can get onto where the hall was originally,
and then you can walk pretty much all the way
round and apart from where the farmhouse now stands, and
that is private land. So I sort of went there originally,
but I went there myself at the end of the day.
I was having a little explorer and it was too
far for me to walk where we are, but then
it ended up again. Me and Darryl were sort of
like available, so we thought, well and we'll go there,
and we bought back to the dells and sort of
like what we've found, and that was quite quite an
interesting little and explore. Uh, you won't see too much
as regards the hall, as I said, itssealth, but it's
quite it's and it's setting is very far back from
the road and it's quite isolated. So you get that
sort of sense when you're out there. And apart from
the savage olsagian dogs, I think his bark's worse than
his bike, but he will see you when you approach,
but don't worry. He is well kept behind a hedge.
But yeah, so me and Daryl decided to go. So
we parked up and we walked along the footpath going
up to the hall. And you sort of done your
David Bellamy bit, didn't you, Darryl, Because we always have
to sort of look at trees and things like that.
So you managed to identify the trees thanks to Google,
didn't you? Going up? Yeah, it's like it's sort of
like a load of lime trees. But then we got
to the hall itself. You sort of get to it,
and we and the footpath veered vied to the rights,
so we walked around. You go behind some barns and
then you sort of can get to where the old
manor house was proper, and there was a little gate
where you could cross the moat and actually go on
to the central part of the island within the moat,
and so that me and Daryl actually got onto that
piece and walked across towards the far end.
Speaker 6: Heron took off, Yeah, and fortunately Darryl managed to get
a photograph of that, because you know, you sort of.
Speaker 3: Tumble around with your cameras and everything your phones. But
it did circle. It took off from the back and
it did circle. Unfortunately Daryl manages to get a picture
of it. So we had to look round the center
bit and then we came back out and then continued
down the side, didn't we, Darrel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in a center bit.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at the center bit, you
can still which I think is the footprint of the
actual building that was there, because I mean, all the
way around the island is grass and all that has
been flattened down, but in a certain shape. There's all
these stinging nets. Yeah, there's nowhere else on the island
apart from that bit there. And it looks like that
was the original shape of the house because if you
look at the front of it, there's even a sort
of like an arch bit of it where it must
have been like a window or whatever it was there,
and that's it.
Speaker 2: It's just that's the layout of it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But we yeah, we started we come off and we
started walking around.
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, what shape was it?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 1: What shape was it?
Speaker 3: The middle heart?
Speaker 2: Yes? Sorry? Yeah, heart?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, and there was an archway
bit that was sticking out of it as well.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I forgot to mention that the heart's important.
Speaker 4: We came out and we started walking around and then Richard,
as normal, he spots a deer.
Speaker 2: He's a deer man, he's it always spots a deer.
Speaker 4: And there was a deer in the bushes there, and
I mean, that's a that's the first time I've seen
a deer for god years, because whenever we'd been out,
rich is always saying deers, but it's always been too
late medicine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see and I saw one as we
briefly driven past at a great speed. While it's.
Speaker 2: That you like, Richard, Oh yeah, not.
Speaker 3: But anyway, and nothing against the munt Jacks. But I
walked past and there's this big hedge row between me
and the mote would have been the other side, and
there was this deer just laying down. We made eye contact,
I thought right, and Daryl was a bit farther ahead,
so I snuck off Daryl. He came back. Unfortunately it
was still there, just sitting there or lying there, and
you've got a great photograph of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a couple of zoomed in as well,
go one of it as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before it sort of stood up and slowly retreated
into the undergrowth. So that was quite special for both
of us really, because I'm glad I managed to sort
of get someone else to see it. And they're not
all figments of my imagination. Most people know I mean,
and where we are, and there are a lot of
dear about that you very rarely see them, and they
seem to be that if you're patient enough and sort
of since been on this sort of like quest, it's
observational that seems to have increased a lot, and particularly
with me, particularly when we're in the countryside where a
lot of this is taking place. Where we're going, you
seem to be I seem to be a lot more
in tune with what's around me, and my observational skills
are getting a lot better. I mean, I can see
why p miss deer because, to be quite honest, I mean,
when you go for a walk in the woodlands around
here and stuff, you're probably no further away than twenty
yards from a deer, I'm convinced of it, But you
just don't notice them.
Speaker 1: I mean, God, you know, I've literally seen one eat
in an orchard as we drove past at high speed.
But you've seen them consistently throughout your journey. You saw
them at Saint Peter's, at Winter Soustice, and then you know,
we went to Saint Lawrence and they were jumping out
the field and none of us saw that.
Speaker 3: You did because in an encounter, because we were walking
up at Saint Lawrence. Yeah, I won't get too sidetracked.
We'll talk about this later. But I got something out
the corner of my eye and I thought somebody was
walking down the footpath just around the corner and I
went around the corner and there was about and there's
about six of them really close and went into the
cornfield and they just vanished like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rest of us didn't see a thing, just
having a magical moment with the deer. We're all like
fumbling around. Mind anyway, back to where we're at. So
you're you're at a heron hole and you've got around
the back after the deer experienced Darryl take it from there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as I said, we walk around the back of
it and U there's a gate you can go through
and it's got a padlock on it, but the padlock
was open, so it was we opened the gate, lock
the gat back up and going and walk through there
and it was the other side of the moat. So
you can see the moat and what some bits in
the cor what is a Richard the.
Speaker 3: That's the only sort of physical remains left or like
along the bottom and in each corner, because it's a
square in the middle of the moat, and then each
corner are the remains the footing of the towers which
would have made up to the wall of the manor
house that set on the moat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it. I didn't know what they were called.
Speaker 4: So we're walking down there and I mean walked up
there's there's this lovely flowers was firstly I noticed. I
mean it was I think it was a vegetable garden
because it was actually a herb. It was called a starflower,
was it. I think it was called also barrage or borridge,
sorry borage, not a barrage, just a French one. Yeah,
these these these really nice herbs, and I mean I
liked them that much, and well Kerry liked as well,
because she saw him when she went there.
Speaker 2: But I bought some seeds and I mean I planted
them at a moment, but did not come up at
that moment, not yet.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we walked along a bit further and all that.
But we come to a gate then that you couldn't
really go in because that was part of the where
the house that was, like I think it was an
ortion and all that was there. But there was loads
of other walls there as well, and loads of other plants.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what the plants called. Any of the
plants were Richard.
Speaker 3: When you had a little sort of like nose around
and this is why we sort of pulled it that
like like the walled garden or the kitchen, because you
found radishes and there plum trees there, so it was
actually at some point some sort of you know, sort
of kitchen garden. And I'm convinced of that, you know,
because everything there seems to be edible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because yeah, it's gorgeous little place, isn't it.
Speaker 1: At the back.
Speaker 4: Anyway, we walked back out. We've done that. Then we
walked back out. We started walking back towards the car,
so we sort we've had our little bit.
Speaker 2: And then where the were walked like the deer wasn't
there anymore.
Speaker 4: So we walk past if we could find again, but
it was it's gone, hadn't come back. And then we
walked where these buildings were, and there was all these
it's like an old storage thing where old tiles and
bricks and things like that, and we walked in there
in order and I found, uh, I think it's is
it a jaw bone?
Speaker 3: It didn't you identify it eventually as a helvist bone.
Speaker 4: Of off of whatever it was coming it was off
of now, to be fair, in the garden, I'm always
have another look.
Speaker 2: I kept old with it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean when we come out and then
that was it. Really, I think I can't think of
anything else. And as you add any more to that, Richard,
we sort of sort.
Speaker 3: Of had a little nose around that bit because I know,
sort of particularly with the bills, sort of the slates
and bricks and tiles seemed to excite them a lot,
and there was a lot there. Yeah, so we thought, oh,
and once the girls know this is here, So yeah,
we just had a basic look and then we sort
of the left, really, didn't we. I think we went
back and spent the evening either with the girls or
we was at yours. I probably had a little snooze
watching a film, but that was anyway the next.
Speaker 1: One, right, because that was just the first visit. Then
you went back with just Malena, that's right. Yeah, and
quite a lot unfolded from her perspective on that. So
when I talked to when we do the maleine a bit,
then we'll go through that with her because what comes
out is actually more important than that at the minute.
And then I went back there with just Richard and
we had a lovely time, didn't we.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, yes, that was yes. We visited a few
places that day, but that was sort of like the
principal one. We went to visit yet to sort of
round off the So everyone that had actually gone to
have a looked at the place, but we.
Speaker 1: Kind of all done it separately.
Speaker 3: Apart from me. I've been there every time.
Speaker 1: I'm Richard. It kind of seems to be a firm
visitor taking all of his friends to this.
Speaker 3: Aron Hales and tickets to the place.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So while I was there, we saw a heron and
the messages I got the Tudor barn was really important.
I found the original or I didn't find it. I
saw it the original causeway over onto Heron Hale because
the water had dropped far enough down because we're we
were in a heat grave, so the water had dropped
far enough down to see the causeway, which Richard got
very excited about, and I kind of got really pulled
to that, but obviously a mo guys, you know, I'm
not going to get down there. I got a severed
connection and a burnt bridge. And then I got really
excited about the forage in the flesh because I'd only
seen a photograph of it up to this point. I
found a horse hoof that day. I remember why because
it was stuck the car out, didn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there you go. These are the things you
have to put up with.
Speaker 1: And we found a walnut as well, which was really interesting.
We've had a walnut tree. So within all of these
other lovely experiences, those things were really really key to
pick up on. Now we came off the back of
that and there was a lot to sort of like compress.
There was a lot to like work with as it were.
So first things first, let's look at the history. Now
Richard obviously knows new a bit anyway about this little place,
and let's just look at the hall to start with,
because it was not called Heron Hall because of the
Herons so much as it was owned by.
Speaker 3: Well, it was owned by originally it was owned by
the Heron family, funny, and they sort of had stewardship
or ownership of the place. They originally sort of established
the place. They're very wealthy, sort of land owned and
sort for and this was sort of during the Norman
conquests and named by the land. It was gifted to
the Herons via William the Conqueror, dividing up Britain between
his loyal knights, and this estate went to the Heron family,
but it didn't stay there for that long because because
of the inheritance route, because they're playing apart. When one
of the Herons, I'm not too sure which one, he
didn't have a son to hand it onto, so he
had to so the eldest daughter inherited the property. And
this is when the Terrell family come into the mix,
which is a very which you will hear a lot
about as we sort of go on this sort of
like west and they come into the mix because the
daughter married a Terrell and because of you know, an
inheritance and everything, the Terrell's took over ownership of the hall.
It became their property.
Speaker 1: Now, I've lived in Essex a long time in my life,
I've never come across his family before. So the Terrell
family is quite an integral family in regard to the
fabric of Essex. It's quite a high aristocracy family. And
it's horrific when you're trying to pin down certain people
and which particular threat you're going to follow on the
Torrell family, because there are at least twelve strands of
the family out there, isn't there, Richard. It's very, very complicated.
Speaker 3: We have to avoid was it Northamptonshire because I think
there's some up there or Northumberland which aren't connected and stuff.
Speaker 1: And ken they're in Kent as well, they're in Kent.
Speaker 3: But our sort of branch we have managed to sort
of like the Essex Torells. They do originate. It appears
from down the West country way Cornwall or Devon, I believe,
but then they finally sort of come up to Essex
and yeah, became one of the most important families through
quite a lot of esses Iss right up until they
don't really disappear from the scene until about the seventeen
hundreds and looking back at and they even are associated
with some quite dramatic events during British history which seem
to unfold murders of all business.
Speaker 1: It is really interesting to me that it's not just
what we find out along the way. I mean, you
find out a lot of information because when you start researching,
you start delving in and the importance of this family
and how close they are to the crown is really integral.
And they were as a family for quite a long
period of time. Now there are various tales associated with
this particular family but we're running out of time, so
we can't really go in depth into them. But first
of all, you've got the first Torelle is the one
that killed the King Rufus, right, that goes back to
what date?
Speaker 3: Oh, it goes back to, oh, the eleven hundreds. It
was the King Rufus, which was William the Conqueror's son.
He replaced and he was either shot by accident or
murdered in the New Forest, which is quite a famous story.
You didn't look that up. And it was a Terrell
that was held responsible for doing this and he ended
up fleeing to France and it's different spelling, but they
do believe that he was the earliest Terrell that is
actually a branch of this family.
Speaker 1: Now, the second Torell is really interesting because this guy
very very involved with the royal family. Now we know
that he was part of the escort of Elizabeth Woodville
where she left her sanctuary in that tumultuous period of history.
And we also have it documented by Sir Thomas Moore
himself that he confessed to the killing of the two
princes in the Tower.
Speaker 3: Richard, Yes, Sir James Terrell and Thomas Moore's account is
quite compelling, and it's sort of and it was sort
of sort of looked upon as quite a good lead.
But we're talking early, and this is when the Tudors
first came to the throne, after the waters of the Roses,
so they were trying to sort of have a propaganda
spin on it. So they are so they may have
used James Terrell as a bit of a scapegoat and
just made up this story that he was responsible. That
the consensus is today that they still don't know who's
done it, and it is widely believed that the James
Terrell connection, that he didn't actually do it.
Speaker 1: No, but it has come out in a will, hasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it has.
Speaker 1: So a personal piece of item of one of the
princes has ended up in a will. We haven't got
the well, they haven't found the physical item yet and
it's a necklace, right yeah, which was a little weird. No, no, no,
as fine as yours now, don't worry, don't worry. So
that was interesting. And then there's a third story which
is actually connected to heron Hall specifically.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it's it's the tale of the Dragon. There's
a dragon slaying story, and this is connected to the
same James Terrell of the Princes of the Tower Suspicion,
and this story tells of an alleged worm. It was
called a worm that they believe. Well, it's down that
something escaped off a ship that came from Africa that
was moored and in the Thames, and made its way
in land to not to Heron Hall, but to the
countryside between All Saints Church and Heron Hall. And the
story is that and it was terrifying the neighborhood. So
so James Terrell went out and basically slayed the dragon,
cut its head off, took it back to his wife
and be and laid it beside her bed, and before
she awoke, so I should imagine she had the shock
of her life when she woke up. And he died
immediately afterwards through exhaustion of fighting this dragon. And there's
an interesting sort of side note to this that his
son went out afterwards found the remains of the dragon
that he had slayed, and he stepped on a bone
of the dragon, which caused his leg the dough dangerounus
and he had to have it amplitated or cut off.
And this allegedly is or was put into a stained
glass window that was in Heron Hall originally, which showed
a figure of a one legged man, and it believed
that this is what it's referring to this particular story.
But as with the Jamesterrell part involved in it, I mean,
he was executed and he didn't, you know, for treason
later on, you know, so you know, this is not
obviously a true story as such, but it's just funny
how this sort of story is entwined within their lineage.
It does show that they must have been quite an
important family to have a dragon slain legend associated with them.
Speaker 1: So with this Terrell family we kind of have to
go with we are most likely to come across them
pretty much in a link somewhere in Essex wherever we go,
because that's how prominent this family is and how you
know in the aristocracies and churches and things like that.
It's not going to be a shark if Terrell comes up,
because they're going to win to marry. And it's quite
a relatively small community back then compared to now. It's
it's hamlets and villages and small towns that it's not
the established UK. You imagine these days, you know, so
we expect to find It's just how it goes, isn't it. Boys.
You know, like when you research a family of this
prominence in an area of these time periods, they're going
to have beentermarried into a lot of the families in
the area, right.
Speaker 2: Well, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's a no brainer because they were probably the
most influential and wealthy family, and other landowners and wealthy
families would do a lot married their daughters or sons
of inter them whenever possible to try and consolidate well
or gain wealth. I mean, it's a no brainer.
Speaker 1: Exactly. So there was no surprise really when we found
out that terrell have married into the Silliard family, and
obviously the Silliard family and the family that owned Poplars Farm,
and the other one I can't remember the name of it.
We're all getting old.
Speaker 2: You can never remember things.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Daryl, well done filling in my brain fart there.
So it's no surprise that the Terrell's and the Silliards
are intermarried, even if it's sort of like along the
line somewhere. So you know that these people and these
they're all socializing, they're all connected eat by family, ties
and by networking. Really, it's just how it goes, isn't it.
Speaker 3: That's what it was like back then there's no TV's
what else were you supposed to do?
Speaker 1: It's one of the most confusing lines when you try
and work it out. I tell you, when you're trying
to follow which which Terrell to follow, it does get confusing.
Speaker 3: Now carry on, Sorry, no, no.
Speaker 1: That's okay. From this, Richard and I then pop along
to the church. We go to All Saints. However, you're
going to have to wait for a further episode on
that because that's still unfolding, and it's quite interesting how
spirit work is all I'm going to say, because we
will talk about that church because Richard, bless him, set
up a fantastic internal visit, which you have to set up.
You can't just go. It's not an open church. This
is a looked after by the public kind of church,
isn't it, Richard.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's the church's trust. It's a redundant church, but
it's looked after by volunteers. And so I just went
on to their website and found out that they would
kindly if you sort of asked, and yeah, I thought, well,
I'll send them an email, and fortunate and fortunately for us,
we managed to have an exclusive little look around inside
the church.
Speaker 1: Now it is a Toyrell church. It was founded by
the Torrells. But the one story that really stuck out
that I'm going to we're going to end the show on,
is the story of the Heart Richard.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, here, won't it. The allegend tale that is
also associated with this church is after the execution of
Anne Berlin, it is said that her body was somehow
spirited away by either some family members or some of
her supporters from her burial place within the Tower of London,
and it was and it was en route to one
of the Berlin states in Norfolk. But whilst it was
on route, they stopped off overnight at this church. And
it is said that that they actually removed her art
at the church and it was buried under a black
marble slab somewhere within the church.
Speaker 1: When we was at the church, Darryl, do you remember
what was on top of that slab?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Sorry, there was a statue without a head.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, there was, yeah, sorry, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember seeing that. Now you're thinking about it,
because I was busily sort of chin wagging through the
guide that showed us rams at Astrid and you two
were off abouts or cloth the graphing and all sorts.
So yeah, I do remember seeing that.
Speaker 1: Now, several times throughout the show we refer to photographs
that were taking it at the place on the location
because they meant something at the time when we was
working the psychic work alongside the physical work. We are
going to set up a website so we can share
these photographs with you, just to see what you got
to see. If you see the same things we did,
you know, and if you follow any of the links
and you're following the quests, then please feel free to
look into these families yourself because they are absolutely fascinating
in their own right. And whether it's just rebringing those
stories to life and spirit of bringing these things so
we can shine the light and remember the drama of
those times and how things played out in those times,
you know, because it was quite brutal through that period
in history. I don't know, but I'm thoroughly enjoying the journey,
and I really enjoyed the visit to the church. But
like I say, I'm not going to talk about that
anymore tonight. That's so far the Heron Hall experience.
Speaker 2: Sum it up, Darryl, beautiful. I want to go back there, Agains.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure we will make our way
back there again. It's certainly on on the map now
and on our radar, and and it is certainly established
there is something there or there is something that will
lead us onto something which has done already in a
subtle sort of way. We've managed to get a trip
round the interior of All Saints Church, which you know,
you can put that down to being sort of inspired
or guided by spirit or something that way, you know,
you know, so we are getting a lot from that
particular location, even just talking about it after the event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, I mean, but some foulding is just.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: This whole journey is weird, as you like anyway, so
you know, what can you expect? And it's just like more,
It just so happen and so quickly sometimes that it
does get confusing, it does get hard to follow, but
we're going to try and get it so, you know,
you because this is happening whilst we're doing these podcasts.
This is all unfolding. This has been in the last months,
right that this is unfolded because you know, we was
at Thundersy Church sorry Hadley Castle on July the seventeenth,
So you're literally looking at about a four week period
and so much happens consistently. We could do a podcast today, really,
couldn't we. Every time we go out, we could literally
just do as on what unfolds in that period of time.
Speaker 2: It's everybody then.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm terribly naughty because we've gone over time. Anyway,
say goodbye guys, goodbye, go