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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Life's Quest, the place where we

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explore the physical, the spiritual, the mental and the emotional

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on a journey around Essex pretty much, isn't it? And

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welcome to the studio fellow questers.

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Speaker 2: Mister Richard Kent Hell idea.

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Speaker 1: Mister Berry, he's back off of his Hollybobs. Did you

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have a good holiday?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It was a right, really do a lot as usual,

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just moped around a couple of places, but yeah, it

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was enjoyable.

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Speaker 2: Two A.

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Speaker 1: No sympathy whatsoever. So boys, last episode we were talking

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about the Saint Mary's and the feedback from some of

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our listeners was it gets a little confusing, and it does.

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It gets confusing for us too, because we've got a

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lot more links and stuff going on than we can

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actually sort of all join together in like an hour show.

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So we're kind of trying to tackle that by separating

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the threads really between the psychic and the physical, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: Boys.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of where we're trying to go, which is

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why there's no Malana at the moment. Right. So when

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we went to Saint Mary's, we'd read a really vague

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article about sarsen stones hadn't we, Richard, We can't find

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it now, which is the really annoying thing.

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Speaker 3: We did read it.

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Speaker 1: Which because that's why we ended up looking for sarsen stones.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was the annoying thing about it. I came

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across this, I thought, and it is quite well documented.

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There's even photographs of them in situ on the interweb somewhere,

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you know, and you know, and it's listed on a

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couple of quite major sites. But I you know, but

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on visiting, they don't appear to be there anymore, unless

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we're actually missing something. But yeah, that's about That's about

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the crux of it. But I think we did discover

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quite a unique place anyway, that was certainly sort of

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should be within our sort of area of interest. It

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certainly added another layer of interest.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it was how this unfolded was a little

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bit crazy. So the guys are on, the guys are

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actually have a day out and they're looking for sarsen stones.

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That's how. It's just having a lad's day looking for

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sarsen stones in places. And that's kind of where you

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was at, wasn't it, Darryl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we tried to look for them,

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as Richard said, there was. We found a couple of

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pictures on the internet where they said they were. One

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of them said it was in like the church hall

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car park that we couldn't find in there, and another

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one was in the main entrance of the church, but

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it wasn't there either, So either they've got them inside

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or they've been moved somewhere else, but today we can't

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find them.

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Speaker 1: So the place that the guys are referring to is

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actually a church, quite local really, and it's called Thundersley Church.

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And that's why the boys ended up there in the

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first place, because they were looking for these sarsen stones.

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Now this was the place you found your necklace, wasn't it, Daryl?

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Speaker 2: It was indeed, So do you want to.

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Speaker 1: Tell because that was on the occasion you went with Richard,

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wasn't it during the day?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well previously I've had a dream about this necklace.

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Well it started off with the from the well first

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of all, about a necklace that was hidden in a

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tree that we still haven't found yet, but we will

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persevere on that one.

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Speaker 1: I said, all good things to those who wait.

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Speaker 4: I had this dream about this, this necklace, and this

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sort of. It was a certain shape. It was sort

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of a chain coming down and then three chains come

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off of it with like a pendum bit at the

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bottom of it. And I thought nothing else of it.

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I mean, it was just a dream dream. But then

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when Mitchard went to this church, and like we walked

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around this church. We looked at the entrance to the church.

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It was a metal gate on the entrance to it,

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and where it was one of the Saason stares was

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supposed to be, and it wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: So we carroll'm walking around again and.

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Speaker 4: Richard went one way, I went another way, and eventually

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I walked all the way around the church again and

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I ended up back at the church entrance where the

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Sassin star was supposed to be. But as I said,

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there was no sassins done. But now there was a

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necklace hanging on the on the metalwork of the church door,

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and I picked it up and I looked at it,

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and it was exactly and my dream was exactly the same.

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It was elegant marbles and diamonds everything else in it,

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but ba it was exactly the same. It's the same.

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One chain coming down, three chains cup of it and

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appended the butt with it. I mean it wasn't there before.

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I mean, I said to Richard, I mean he went,

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he walked past it as well before and there was

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nothing on the door.

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Speaker 2: Nothing at is.

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Speaker 3: This this was sort of like my first sort of

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odd experience because me and Dale were at that doorway

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looking for the Sarazen stones before we both went our

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separate ways, and I basically came back and Daryl was

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standing back at that doorway which has got a great

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which has got a metal grate, and in front of

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it and hanging on it was this necklace, which I

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can quite constantly say was not there because you couldn't

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miss it. You couldn't miss it. We would have found

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it on the first sort of passing and so to speak,

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I mean, making that what you will. But I am

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convinced that if these things do materialize from the either

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and perhaps this was our first experience of it.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely. I don't believe through things now. I mean,

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after a dream and then the fans of the same necklace,

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I mean, what can you think?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I mean I'm quite envious to you

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and you and your dreams because they do seem to

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come to something I mean, and my dreams are just

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a load of old rubbish and they're so b but dreams.

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But I know you have had the experiences since, but

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we won't go into that. But yeah, but your dream

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seemed to yield a lot more. But there you go.

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You are Darryl.

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Speaker 1: He's the dream maker of the group. First of all,

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the guys are a bit mind blown by this. This

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is a massive like, oh my god, how the hell

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did that happen kind of moment, and like that's all

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a bit weird, and hang on a minute, I had

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a dream and oh my god. So they take me

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back to the church, me and my lane. Now we

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go back to the church with them. Now, this churchyard

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is quite high, isn't it. It's a real high point. It's

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sitting on the top of a hill. And the graveyard

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itself is like tiered. It's got an awful lot of subsidence.

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things like that. It's quite an extensive kind of graveyard

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as well, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Or like you walk beyond the church, you go

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to the church itself and you think, oh, is this it?

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the hill. There's not a lot of space around it

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because it all drops off to the road one side,

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but you walk down the back and it's got a

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massive graveyard and as you said, Kerry's and it's like

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a terrast graveyard because they've obviously had to try and

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make do with the space on the side of a hill.

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it's like on a public right of way. There's a

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lot of people going through and walking their dogs. I

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think there's a build to the side of it. And yeah,

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and that was I thought. And after the church, well,

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not disappointment with the church, I mean the Sassin stone

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and an expedition didn't really well, we didn't find the stones,

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but we did find something quite significant regarding Daryl's necklace.

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Speaker 1: Really because when we all went back something else unfolded

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in that time. Yeah, but we were quite drawn to

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a what was an old tree basically wasn't it, And

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it was a bare trunk and it had the bark

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on it, but it was coming off a bit and

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I don't know what took me, but I felt compelled

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to pull the bark off and as I was pulling

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the bark off, I mean loads of crack came out

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of it. I was choking on the dust. I mean,

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god knows what I breathed in, but that it was

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a compulsion to do that, and every time I pulled

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a piece of the bark that was going to come

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off it. Anyway, I was saying to you, what do

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you see? And what you saw was like the sun

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shining on this oak, and it seemed to be pointing

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in the direction and we were looking at a grave

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and it looked like there was a knight stood by

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this grave. Do you remember that.

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Speaker 2: Looking at that?

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Speaker 4: I mean looked up at it, and uh, first of all,

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I think, first of all, it was it was a

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shape of Originally what I saw it was like a

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monk sort of thing, That's all I can think, you know,

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like a in a cloak and all that, first of all.

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Speaker 2: And then once I've got that, then yeah, I could

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see this like a knight. And I mean.

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Speaker 4: It was unmistakable. I mean we ended up walking up

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there and it wasn't a night at all. It was

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just the gravestone on the on the back of a tree.

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But yeah, that yielded a few more bits that I

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did say you'll get on too.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, because we then went I looked at this

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particular grave. We went over there because you know, obviously

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there's a is important, right, so you go puddling over there.

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And the headstone itself is actually a normal headstone. It's like,

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you know, too's you know, God beloved somebody who died,

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and their dates and all the rest of it that's

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on this particular gravestone. But when we looked at it,

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there were certain things that kind of like jumped out.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The first was a name. It was Albert, but all

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I could see was the Burke because that seemed to

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stand out from it, and we know that one of

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Darryl's guides is.

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Speaker 2: Called Bert, right, yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The second was the date, because it was literally around

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the same date, wasn't it.

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Speaker 4: It was the seventeenth on the actual grave, and we

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was I think our date was we the fifteenth or sixteenth?

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Speaker 2: We was at the church, that's right, one of them.

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Speaker 1: Two, Yeah, I think it was the fifteenth because that

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was the Sunday, wasn't one. And the gentleman's name was Castle,

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so it be Albert Castle. But that really stood out too,

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and just I just turned around and I said, where

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is there a castle around here that we know? Now

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we're incredibly blessed because where we live, or where me

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and Daryl live, we look at the ruins of a

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castle which is Hadley Castle, which again we know is

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quite integrally regard the lay lines thing. So it was

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all on the point of interest to go back there.

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at a certain date, and it all are lines that

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we all can be there on that date. So that

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led us to Hadley Castle. So no sarsen stones, but

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one necklace and one spirit resage sending us to another

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place another day. So we go to Hadley Castle and

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we're wandering around. We don't quite know why we're there.

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We're just sort of see what happens. I'd read the

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cards before we went, and they had sort of said

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that basically we were meeting somebody that was integral. Okay,

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let it play out. So off we pod of lovely day, right,

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lovely evening. It was quite evening, actually, wasn't it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was one of our evening excursions, wasn't it. And

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was very warm and years and years

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and years ago, and I'm talking a long time ago. Myself,

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Darren and Richard had done an experiment at home in

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my conservatory, which was matt Dowsing, and it had pinpointed

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a bridge at the bottom of the hill near Handy Castle.

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So we had said before we went, while we're there,

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we'll have a we'll have a look. We'll just go

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down there and we'll have a little look. So that's

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kind of what the goal was, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, barrel, sorry gone, I've gone.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, yeah, because whenever, whenever I visited an Athlete castle,

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I've never really gone beyond the parcel itself. So it's

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actually quite good to go down and follow the track

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past the castle and go down onto the flat land

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which is immediately beneath. So that was sort of quite

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quite something. And the bridge story because you were also

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aware of this bridge or you thought you could remember

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it there or from your misspent youth when you used

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to hang out sort of go places, And wasn't it

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something to do with bottles and things?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I was young then. I mean I

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always used to go up there.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's called heady downs now I

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don't know if it's still called that, but I used

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to go up there quite a lot and walk from

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there to Handy Castle. I mean then it was it

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was all farmers fields and there was all cows and

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things and everything else, not like he is now. I

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mean it's more wheat and all that in there.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I think there's still got cars in it, but it's

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more wheat fields than anything. But yeah, there used to

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be an old bridge down our way used to go

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between this bridge that was there. It was it was

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knocked down the bridge. It was only either side of

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it you could see. But yeah, it was a bottle

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impit where you'd find old medicine bottles and things like

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that from years and years ago, like onestle medicine bottles

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with little ball bearings like bearings but marbles inside. I

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think that was a measure in the measuring the medicine

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and all that. But yeah, I mean there used to

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be loads there and loads actually in the fields as well,

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bottles in the fields as well.

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Speaker 2: But I mean that was that was years ago. And

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we did walk down there, and we we did try

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and get to there.

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Speaker 4: Because we went down to the there was a bridge

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goes over the railway, but we couldn't get in there

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because it was Packton there. So we did walk along

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towards where the bottle impit was, but there's a fence

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all around.

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Speaker 2: It now and you can't actually access to it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we think you can get from the other

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side if you walk from Benfleet Creek along that way

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and get to it that way, but we haven't done that. Yeah,

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which we'll still got to get onto. But yeah, we

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went there first of all, and then I think that

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was about it down there, unless you can think of

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anything else, Cary.

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Speaker 1: No, No, we just had a look around, but nothing

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was really him, was it. It was like, okay, it's interesting.

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just like made our way back up because nothing kind

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of like was showing itself as it were, you know,

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like we normally get signs and stuff like that, but

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we weren't really getting anything. It was just like a

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pleasant walk, weren't it really?

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, and you're right, we were sort of like trying,

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and I think sort of we were sort of following

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Darryl's sort of que from his memories when he was

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younger going down there. But I think the area has

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changed because you can't seem to cross the railway anywhere

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down there now. It's all sort of fenced off and

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probably and quite rightly so, to stop kids playing and

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stuff like that. So it's so, you know, sort of

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down there, you're quite sort of you know, you're either

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one side of the railway, you know, and you can't

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get across to the other. But I feel and I

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think this is where you're sort of light and heading

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towards Kerry. It wasn't until we decided to come back,

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walk back and go towards the castle things started the

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change a little bit, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It started to shift because as we walked back, we

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we came to a bit we could have gone back

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exactly the way we came, or up a trackway and

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actually you said to me, oh, look, there's pheasants down

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the trackway and I sort of said, oh no, we'll

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just carry on, and then you went there's pheasants. Now,

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pheasants has been a bit of a thing in the

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you know, in the quest up to now with it's

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kind of like been a bit of a vibe. Yeah,

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we went, okay, then let's go and follow the pheasants.

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As you do, you know, because the grasping for signs

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and the peasant was one of them. So off we puddled.

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So we go up the track. We didn't see the

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peasants they're scarpered, but we did see the heron. Now,

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first of all, we heard the call, didn't we. It

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called if that's the right word for a heron call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When you see they are always quite fascinating to

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look and to look at. And when you see them

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because they look almost prehistoric, I don't they they're like

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a terror that.

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Speaker 1: They're a big bed, didn't they?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think they're possibly the biggest we've got apart

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from beagles or probably up in Scotland.

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Speaker 2: M hm.

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Speaker 1: So this this is all of a sudden, I'm like,

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what direction is that flying from? Because it was going

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towards Montree Island or Two Tree Island, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I said where is it come from? And we

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sort of like clocked the direction in regards to the sun,

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and I thought, and I know, I just noted it.

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And then as we turned onto the trackway there was

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loads of these ferny kind of we're not seeing them

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really before weeds and we did a plant check on

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his weeds, and it turned out that we're called horsetails.

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And again the horse had been a really relevant thing.

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So now I'm starting to get excited about three reoccurring

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themes of the quest come up in a succession. So

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I'm now going right, Okay, oh, we're on the moon.

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Something's going to happen like this, but I'm just keeping

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it in as you do. Anyway, we walk up, and

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as we're starting to walk up, we walk around the

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bottom of the castle to approach it from a different angle.

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And as we're walking down the bottom, the castles above

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us on the hill, literally directly above us on the hill,

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and in the sky there's a drone and this drone

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is buzzing around and it's saying it's a lovely evening

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and it's great. I bet the person got amazing views

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of the castle on that night as well as Daryl's bottom.

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We're all waving like children.

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Speaker 5: Darryl, your learn is about our d He does like

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to expose its bottom at times.

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Speaker 1: So but as we walked up the top, in my head,

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I'm like, we've got to talk to that man. So

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we go and have a litch hated mister drone man,

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don't we can you remember his thanks? He has a

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YouTube channel, doesn't he?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I can't memb what his YouTube channel was actually,

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but I've got him. I've got him on with YouTube.

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It's I can't remember. I can't remember what it was.

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I'm just looking actually sitting on the computer and net.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you google that while we're doing this, you check

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that detail out. We've got give him a shout out

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because seems brilliant, won't he talking about? And whilst we're

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talking to this gentleman, Richard goes to me, Oh my goodness,

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are there there's two falcons.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They're either sort of pestals or sparrow hawks, which you

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do see. I mean most people will see them above

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hedgeroones or will usually along motorway versions there, and they're

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the birds that hover whilst they're looking for like insects

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and prey. But this is the first time i'd actually

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seen a pair sort of not hunting sort of. I think,

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well it was quite sort of the evening was getting

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was getting on a bit and I think they were

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possibly preparing to roost, you know, so they were, but

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they flew around. That's one of them flew around the

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South Tower, and I thought, that's all we're going to

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see of them, you know, and I managed to sort of.

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I think you may have seen it at that time,

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Perry or.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't see it the first time you

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said it. But you were blown away by that, weren't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I was, you know, and I think, well, you know,

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something different again. But they're definitely and you can see

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they because when you see birds of prey, you know

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they do and they are special because you know, they

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don't have the same sort of heads as sparrows and

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sort of things like that. They have that black sort

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of face. You know, it's like seeing it's like seeing

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it an owl. You know, they're quite quite special when

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you do see them, sort of quite close up.

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Speaker 1: So me and Richard are gushing. He's cast really things.

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Daryl's deep in conversation. Did you find out did you

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check your data out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, his name was Peter.

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Speaker 1: Channel.

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Speaker 2: It's a cruise life his channel, that's what it's called.

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Speaker 1: To go check it out because I bet he took

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some amazing views and he's got other videos on there

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as well.

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Speaker 2: Videos on there, so will pop.

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Speaker 1: His link actually in the when this goes live, we'll

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pop his link in the comments section. So Daryl's deep

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in conversation with the mister drone guy and has always

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fancied himself a bit of a drone, haven't you, as in,

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you've always like bought cheap ones and had to go

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but never really got your teeth into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I bought a cheap one of the team.

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Speaker 4: Much of my discussion you know what ship and uh A,

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bob this drone. And I mean the first I got

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it in my lounge, I've got it out of the packet,

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all excited. I've turned it on and smacked it straight

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in front of me TV gash out of my TV,

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probably went back in the box.

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Speaker 2: I never used it again and thought, no, I'm not

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having that anymore. But yeah, I mean, I've always wanted

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the drone.

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Speaker 4: And uh, as I was talking to Peter and or that,

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he was showing me his one and all that, and

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I thought myself, yeah, I'm going to get one.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 4: I was going to get one the same as what

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he got. He had a dj dj I one and

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which is quite a good good drone. And he said

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to me, if you're going to get one, get the

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get the new one. Out, which is the four, which

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is a bit better. So I decided to buy it

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one and unfortunately it's still on my table. I still

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haven't taken it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm nagging him relentlessly, Ladies out there.

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Speaker 4: I want to take it out. I want to read

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up when it first. I mean, to be fair, I've

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now on my phone and on the computer. I've got

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the documents to read up on it, so I know

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what the controls are, So give me a little bit

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of a head start instead of going out. But I mean,

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Richie had a good idea the other day and he said, like,

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get in touch with the bloke and if he's like

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local apps, go out with him and give you a

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few pointers, which is a good idea, which I haven't

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done that yet.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's evolving for you though. This is now

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like a new project for you, isn't It's to actually

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fulfill that dream that you had about having a drone.

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Now you've got one, a really good one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's all going to come in andy in

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the Quest as well.

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Speaker 1: Well. That's one of the reasons, Like, you know, the

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Quest took you to where you have to be. Now

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at this point we leave because we've kind of it's

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now nighttime has fallen, and it's time to sort of

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like we think, you know, we're quite happy. We think

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we've achieved what we needed to achieve, and we come

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away and we follow the direction of the Heron because

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that was really bugging me which direction it was coming from,

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and this is not accurate. I would just like to

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point this out. This was, Oh, it's by the sun,

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it must be roughly that direction. And I follow that

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direction on the map and I find a place called

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Heron Hall, and so I just bring it to the table.

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We were looking for where next to go on the quest,

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and I sort of mentioned that I found this place

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on the map, just a Google map search that was

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And it's like kind of like the Heron had been

475
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,759
a thing through again one of the spirit signs. Particularly

476
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:59,680
for me, yes, because that has been a recurring sign

477
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,720
my own personal journey for the last two years. So

478
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:08,759
for me, this was really really important. And Heron Hall

479
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,799
kind of like seemed too it's too named, like you've

480
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:18,279
got to go there. So anyway, how this played out

481
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,039
was a little bit weird because normally we'd all get

482
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,720
together and we'd all go right, but On the first

483
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:30,279
occasion there was only two people. Then there were three people,

484
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:34,920
and then it was two people, so it was two

485
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:41,279
three two. How we've all visited Heron Hall, So Richard, right,

486
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:45,240
can you just explain roughly the layout of what we're

487
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,759
looking at here, because it's in the middle of a farm,

488
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,079
so you do have to be mindful we are, Richard.

489
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,559
Speaker 3: Otherwise that actually goes round the site. It's the remains

490
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,839
of a medieval manor house, a moated manor house, which

491
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,440
were very common back in the day. And yes, and

492
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,160
it's got the new hall next to it. It's called

493
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,359
New Heron Hall, I think, you know, and that is

494
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,640
just like a modern farm. But the remains of the

495
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:24,319
old hall are still there, but they're not remains, you know,

496
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:29,319
you won't see you don't see much. It's just it's

497
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,680
just the moat still intact. You've got the middle section

498
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,559
which you can get onto where the hall was originally,

499
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,559
and then you can walk pretty much all the way

500
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,680
round and apart from where the farmhouse now stands, and

501
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,319
that is private land. So I sort of went there originally,

502
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:54,319
but I went there myself at the end of the day.

503
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,519
I was having a little explorer and it was too

504
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,839
far for me to walk where we are, but then

505
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,039
it ended up again. Me and Darryl were sort of

506
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:08,039
like available, so we thought, well and we'll go there,

507
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,039
and we bought back to the dells and sort of

508
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,720
like what we've found, and that was quite quite an

509
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:23,599
interesting little and explore. Uh, you won't see too much

510
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,960
as regards the hall, as I said, itssealth, but it's

511
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,880
quite it's and it's setting is very far back from

512
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,119
the road and it's quite isolated. So you get that

513
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,279
sort of sense when you're out there. And apart from

514
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:53,000
the savage olsagian dogs, I think his bark's worse than

515
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:55,440
his bike, but he will see you when you approach,

516
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:58,960
but don't worry. He is well kept behind a hedge.

517
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:03,759
But yeah, so me and Daryl decided to go. So

518
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,640
we parked up and we walked along the footpath going

519
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,079
up to the hall. And you sort of done your

520
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:16,680
David Bellamy bit, didn't you, Darryl, Because we always have

521
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:19,240
to sort of look at trees and things like that.

522
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,960
So you managed to identify the trees thanks to Google,

523
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:29,039
didn't you? Going up? Yeah, it's like it's sort of

524
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,920
like a load of lime trees. But then we got

525
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,720
to the hall itself. You sort of get to it,

526
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:39,000
and we and the footpath veered vied to the rights,

527
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:42,240
so we walked around. You go behind some barns and

528
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,599
then you sort of can get to where the old

529
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,359
manor house was proper, and there was a little gate

530
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,119
where you could cross the moat and actually go on

531
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,759
to the central part of the island within the moat,

532
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:03,119
and so that me and Daryl actually got onto that

533
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,559
piece and walked across towards the far end.

534
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:17,759
Speaker 6: Heron took off, Yeah, and fortunately Darryl managed to get

535
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:21,039
a photograph of that, because you know, you sort of.

536
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: Tumble around with your cameras and everything your phones. But

537
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,720
it did circle. It took off from the back and

538
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:31,880
it did circle. Unfortunately Daryl manages to get a picture

539
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,759
of it. So we had to look round the center

540
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,799
bit and then we came back out and then continued

541
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:40,400
down the side, didn't we, Darrel.

542
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in a center bit.

543
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at the center bit, you

544
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,000
can still which I think is the footprint of the

545
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,599
actual building that was there, because I mean, all the

546
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,839
way around the island is grass and all that has

547
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,519
been flattened down, but in a certain shape. There's all

548
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:02,599
these stinging nets. Yeah, there's nowhere else on the island

549
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:04,759
apart from that bit there. And it looks like that

550
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:06,839
was the original shape of the house because if you

551
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:08,119
look at the front of it, there's even a sort

552
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,240
of like an arch bit of it where it must

553
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,599
have been like a window or whatever it was there,

554
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,160
and that's it.

555
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,839
Speaker 2: It's just that's the layout of it. Yeah.

556
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:18,519
Speaker 4: But we yeah, we started we come off and we

557
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:19,640
started walking around.

558
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, what shape was it?

559
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: Sorry?

560
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: What shape was it?

561
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,839
Speaker 3: The middle heart?

562
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: Yes? Sorry? Yeah, heart?

563
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, and there was an archway

564
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,160
bit that was sticking out of it as well.

565
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:43,799
Speaker 1: Sorry, I forgot to mention that the heart's important.

566
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: We came out and we started walking around and then Richard,

567
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,680
as normal, he spots a deer.

568
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,799
Speaker 2: He's a deer man, he's it always spots a deer.

569
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 4: And there was a deer in the bushes there, and

570
00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:58,759
I mean, that's a that's the first time I've seen

571
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,440
a deer for god years, because whenever we'd been out,

572
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,720
rich is always saying deers, but it's always been too

573
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:05,440
late medicine.

574
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see and I saw one as we

575
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,239
briefly driven past at a great speed. While it's.

576
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:21,159
Speaker 2: That you like, Richard, Oh yeah, not.

577
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: But anyway, and nothing against the munt Jacks. But I

578
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,400
walked past and there's this big hedge row between me

579
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,519
and the mote would have been the other side, and

580
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,599
there was this deer just laying down. We made eye contact,

581
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,960
I thought right, and Daryl was a bit farther ahead,

582
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:48,519
so I snuck off Daryl. He came back. Unfortunately it

583
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,639
was still there, just sitting there or lying there, and

584
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:54,960
you've got a great photograph of it.

585
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a couple of zoomed in as well,

586
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,719
go one of it as well.

587
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, before it sort of stood up and slowly retreated

588
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,760
into the undergrowth. So that was quite special for both

589
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,920
of us really, because I'm glad I managed to sort

590
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,079
of get someone else to see it. And they're not

591
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:21,360
all figments of my imagination. Most people know I mean,

592
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,639
and where we are, and there are a lot of

593
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,639
dear about that you very rarely see them, and they

594
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,880
seem to be that if you're patient enough and sort

595
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,440
of since been on this sort of like quest, it's

596
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:43,000
observational that seems to have increased a lot, and particularly

597
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,960
with me, particularly when we're in the countryside where a

598
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,320
lot of this is taking place. Where we're going, you

599
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,159
seem to be I seem to be a lot more

600
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:55,960
in tune with what's around me, and my observational skills

601
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,480
are getting a lot better. I mean, I can see

602
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:03,920
why p miss deer because, to be quite honest, I mean,

603
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,920
when you go for a walk in the woodlands around

604
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,079
here and stuff, you're probably no further away than twenty

605
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:15,079
yards from a deer, I'm convinced of it, But you

606
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,199
just don't notice them.

607
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, God, you know, I've literally seen one eat

608
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,280
in an orchard as we drove past at high speed.

609
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,800
But you've seen them consistently throughout your journey. You saw

610
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,920
them at Saint Peter's, at Winter Soustice, and then you know,

611
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,360
we went to Saint Lawrence and they were jumping out

612
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,320
the field and none of us saw that.

613
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: You did because in an encounter, because we were walking

614
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,719
up at Saint Lawrence. Yeah, I won't get too sidetracked.

615
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,159
We'll talk about this later. But I got something out

616
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,239
the corner of my eye and I thought somebody was

617
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,199
walking down the footpath just around the corner and I

618
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,639
went around the corner and there was about and there's

619
00:36:56,679 --> 00:37:01,119
about six of them really close and went into the

620
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,480
cornfield and they just vanished like that.

621
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:08,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rest of us didn't see a thing, just

622
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,599
having a magical moment with the deer. We're all like

623
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,760
fumbling around. Mind anyway, back to where we're at. So

624
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,159
you're you're at a heron hole and you've got around

625
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,559
the back after the deer experienced Darryl take it from there.

626
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, as I said, we walk around the back of

627
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,000
it and U there's a gate you can go through

628
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:34,480
and it's got a padlock on it, but the padlock

629
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,480
was open, so it was we opened the gate, lock

630
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,320
the gat back up and going and walk through there

631
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,679
and it was the other side of the moat. So

632
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,000
you can see the moat and what some bits in

633
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,320
the cor what is a Richard the.

634
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,159
Speaker 3: That's the only sort of physical remains left or like

635
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,440
along the bottom and in each corner, because it's a

636
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,079
square in the middle of the moat, and then each

637
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:01,440
corner are the remains the footing of the towers which

638
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,639
would have made up to the wall of the manor

639
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:06,400
house that set on the moat.

640
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it. I didn't know what they were called.

641
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,199
Speaker 4: So we're walking down there and I mean walked up

642
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,280
there's there's this lovely flowers was firstly I noticed. I

643
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,400
mean it was I think it was a vegetable garden

644
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,719
because it was actually a herb. It was called a starflower,

645
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,400
was it. I think it was called also barrage or borridge,

646
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:35,360
sorry borage, not a barrage, just a French one. Yeah,

647
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,599
these these these really nice herbs, and I mean I

648
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,039
liked them that much, and well Kerry liked as well,

649
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:45,320
because she saw him when she went there.

650
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: But I bought some seeds and I mean I planted

651
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:50,039
them at a moment, but did not come up at

652
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:51,000
that moment, not yet.

653
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,519
Speaker 4: But yeah, we walked along a bit further and all that.

654
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,119
But we come to a gate then that you couldn't

655
00:38:56,159 --> 00:39:00,280
really go in because that was part of the where

656
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,960
the house that was, like I think it was an

657
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,039
ortion and all that was there. But there was loads

658
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:08,639
of other walls there as well, and loads of other plants.

659
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,639
Speaker 2: I can't remember what the plants called. Any of the

660
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:11,400
plants were Richard.

661
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: When you had a little sort of like nose around

662
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,880
and this is why we sort of pulled it that

663
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:22,719
like like the walled garden or the kitchen, because you

664
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,679
found radishes and there plum trees there, so it was

665
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,920
actually at some point some sort of you know, sort

666
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,840
of kitchen garden. And I'm convinced of that, you know,

667
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,320
because everything there seems to be edible.

668
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because yeah, it's gorgeous little place, isn't it.

669
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: At the back.

670
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 4: Anyway, we walked back out. We've done that. Then we

671
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,159
walked back out. We started walking back towards the car,

672
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,559
so we sort we've had our little bit.

673
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: And then where the were walked like the deer wasn't

674
00:39:58,519 --> 00:39:59,119
there anymore.

675
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,519
Speaker 4: So we walk past if we could find again, but

676
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,360
it was it's gone, hadn't come back. And then we

677
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,320
walked where these buildings were, and there was all these

678
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:08,880
it's like an old storage thing where old tiles and

679
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,119
bricks and things like that, and we walked in there

680
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,960
in order and I found, uh, I think it's is

681
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:16,880
it a jaw bone?

682
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 3: It didn't you identify it eventually as a helvist bone.

683
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:28,159
Speaker 4: Of off of whatever it was coming it was off

684
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:31,760
of now, to be fair, in the garden, I'm always

685
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,400
have another look.

686
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:34,199
Speaker 2: I kept old with it.

687
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,199
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean when we come out and then

688
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:41,199
that was it. Really, I think I can't think of

689
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:43,599
anything else. And as you add any more to that, Richard,

690
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,159
we sort of sort.

691
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: Of had a little nose around that bit because I know,

692
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,800
sort of particularly with the bills, sort of the slates

693
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,400
and bricks and tiles seemed to excite them a lot,

694
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:05,519
and there was a lot there. Yeah, so we thought, oh,

695
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:10,199
and once the girls know this is here, So yeah,

696
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,400
we just had a basic look and then we sort

697
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,280
of the left, really, didn't we. I think we went

698
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,440
back and spent the evening either with the girls or

699
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,199
we was at yours. I probably had a little snooze

700
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:26,239
watching a film, but that was anyway the next.

701
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,639
Speaker 1: One, right, because that was just the first visit. Then

702
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:34,440
you went back with just Malena, that's right. Yeah, and

703
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,039
quite a lot unfolded from her perspective on that. So

704
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,639
when I talked to when we do the maleine a bit,

705
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,679
then we'll go through that with her because what comes

706
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,400
out is actually more important than that at the minute.

707
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,000
And then I went back there with just Richard and

708
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:52,679
we had a lovely time, didn't we.

709
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, yes, that was yes. We visited a few

710
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,960
places that day, but that was sort of like the

711
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,480
principal one. We went to visit yet to sort of

712
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:05,559
round off the So everyone that had actually gone to

713
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:08,039
have a looked at the place, but we.

714
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: Kind of all done it separately.

715
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,559
Speaker 3: Apart from me. I've been there every time.

716
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm Richard. It kind of seems to be a firm

717
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,119
visitor taking all of his friends to this.

718
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: Aron Hales and tickets to the place.

719
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

720
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: So while I was there, we saw a heron and

721
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,079
the messages I got the Tudor barn was really important.

722
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,639
I found the original or I didn't find it. I

723
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:43,800
saw it the original causeway over onto Heron Hale because

724
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,840
the water had dropped far enough down because we're we

725
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,079
were in a heat grave, so the water had dropped

726
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:53,960
far enough down to see the causeway, which Richard got

727
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,519
very excited about, and I kind of got really pulled

728
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:02,000
to that, but obviously a mo guys, you know, I'm

729
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:05,840
not going to get down there. I got a severed

730
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:12,360
connection and a burnt bridge. And then I got really

731
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,280
excited about the forage in the flesh because I'd only

732
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,000
seen a photograph of it up to this point. I

733
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:24,920
found a horse hoof that day. I remember why because

734
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,840
it was stuck the car out, didn't it.

735
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there you go. These are the things you

736
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,719
have to put up with.

737
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: And we found a walnut as well, which was really interesting.

738
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,920
We've had a walnut tree. So within all of these

739
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,719
other lovely experiences, those things were really really key to

740
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:50,000
pick up on. Now we came off the back of

741
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:54,719
that and there was a lot to sort of like compress.

742
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,079
There was a lot to like work with as it were.

743
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:02,159
So first things first, let's look at the history. Now

744
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,239
Richard obviously knows new a bit anyway about this little place,

745
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,800
and let's just look at the hall to start with,

746
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,639
because it was not called Heron Hall because of the

747
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,639
Herons so much as it was owned by.

748
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: Well, it was owned by originally it was owned by

749
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:30,000
the Heron family, funny, and they sort of had stewardship

750
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:35,480
or ownership of the place. They originally sort of established

751
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:38,920
the place. They're very wealthy, sort of land owned and

752
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,199
sort for and this was sort of during the Norman

753
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,679
conquests and named by the land. It was gifted to

754
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,320
the Herons via William the Conqueror, dividing up Britain between

755
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,000
his loyal knights, and this estate went to the Heron family,

756
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:03,519
but it didn't stay there for that long because because

757
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:09,840
of the inheritance route, because they're playing apart. When one

758
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,880
of the Herons, I'm not too sure which one, he

759
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,480
didn't have a son to hand it onto, so he

760
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:20,320
had to so the eldest daughter inherited the property. And

761
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,760
this is when the Terrell family come into the mix,

762
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,039
which is a very which you will hear a lot

763
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,280
about as we sort of go on this sort of

764
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,840
like west and they come into the mix because the

765
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:42,159
daughter married a Terrell and because of you know, an

766
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,519
inheritance and everything, the Terrell's took over ownership of the hall.

767
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,880
It became their property.

768
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,199
Speaker 1: Now, I've lived in Essex a long time in my life,

769
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,840
I've never come across his family before. So the Terrell

770
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,639
family is quite an integral family in regard to the

771
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:04,599
fabric of Essex. It's quite a high aristocracy family. And

772
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,599
it's horrific when you're trying to pin down certain people

773
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,519
and which particular threat you're going to follow on the

774
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:18,559
Torrell family, because there are at least twelve strands of

775
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:23,079
the family out there, isn't there, Richard. It's very, very complicated.

776
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,639
Speaker 3: We have to avoid was it Northamptonshire because I think

777
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:31,920
there's some up there or Northumberland which aren't connected and stuff.

778
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,079
Speaker 1: And ken they're in Kent as well, they're in Kent.

779
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: But our sort of branch we have managed to sort

780
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:46,320
of like the Essex Torells. They do originate. It appears

781
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,280
from down the West country way Cornwall or Devon, I believe,

782
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,440
but then they finally sort of come up to Essex

783
00:46:54,519 --> 00:47:00,159
and yeah, became one of the most important families through

784
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,960
quite a lot of esses Iss right up until they

785
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:09,519
don't really disappear from the scene until about the seventeen

786
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:16,920
hundreds and looking back at and they even are associated

787
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:23,000
with some quite dramatic events during British history which seem

788
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,079
to unfold murders of all business.

789
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: It is really interesting to me that it's not just

790
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,639
what we find out along the way. I mean, you

791
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:37,239
find out a lot of information because when you start researching,

792
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,840
you start delving in and the importance of this family

793
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,480
and how close they are to the crown is really integral.

794
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,159
And they were as a family for quite a long

795
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,719
period of time. Now there are various tales associated with

796
00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:00,679
this particular family but we're running out of time, so

797
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,119
we can't really go in depth into them. But first

798
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:07,360
of all, you've got the first Torelle is the one

799
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,320
that killed the King Rufus, right, that goes back to

800
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:10,880
what date?

801
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: Oh, it goes back to, oh, the eleven hundreds. It

802
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:20,920
was the King Rufus, which was William the Conqueror's son.

803
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:27,840
He replaced and he was either shot by accident or

804
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,000
murdered in the New Forest, which is quite a famous story.

805
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:35,840
You didn't look that up. And it was a Terrell

806
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,440
that was held responsible for doing this and he ended

807
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:46,519
up fleeing to France and it's different spelling, but they

808
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:50,159
do believe that he was the earliest Terrell that is

809
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:51,920
actually a branch of this family.

810
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: Now, the second Torell is really interesting because this guy

811
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,440
very very involved with the royal family. Now we know

812
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,920
that he was part of the escort of Elizabeth Woodville

813
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:13,320
where she left her sanctuary in that tumultuous period of history.

814
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:18,559
And we also have it documented by Sir Thomas Moore

815
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:22,360
himself that he confessed to the killing of the two

816
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,480
princes in the Tower.

817
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 3: Richard, Yes, Sir James Terrell and Thomas Moore's account is

818
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:36,480
quite compelling, and it's sort of and it was sort

819
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:39,960
of sort of looked upon as quite a good lead.

820
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,280
But we're talking early, and this is when the Tudors

821
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,559
first came to the throne, after the waters of the Roses,

822
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:55,880
so they were trying to sort of have a propaganda

823
00:49:56,039 --> 00:50:00,760
spin on it. So they are so they may have

824
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,719
used James Terrell as a bit of a scapegoat and

825
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,360
just made up this story that he was responsible. That

826
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,159
the consensus is today that they still don't know who's

827
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:16,880
done it, and it is widely believed that the James

828
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,679
Terrell connection, that he didn't actually do it.

829
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,599
Speaker 1: No, but it has come out in a will, hasn't it.

830
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,159
Speaker 3: Yes, it has.

831
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: So a personal piece of item of one of the

832
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,440
princes has ended up in a will. We haven't got

833
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,159
the well, they haven't found the physical item yet and

834
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:49,719
it's a necklace, right yeah, which was a little weird. No, no, no,

835
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:55,280
as fine as yours now, don't worry, don't worry. So

836
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,559
that was interesting. And then there's a third story which

837
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:03,000
is actually connected to heron Hall specifically.

838
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it's it's the tale of the Dragon. There's

839
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,480
a dragon slaying story, and this is connected to the

840
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:17,280
same James Terrell of the Princes of the Tower Suspicion,

841
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,079
and this story tells of an alleged worm. It was

842
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,840
called a worm that they believe. Well, it's down that

843
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:30,039
something escaped off a ship that came from Africa that

844
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:33,239
was moored and in the Thames, and made its way

845
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:37,000
in land to not to Heron Hall, but to the

846
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:44,239
countryside between All Saints Church and Heron Hall. And the

847
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,840
story is that and it was terrifying the neighborhood. So

848
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,079
so James Terrell went out and basically slayed the dragon,

849
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:58,039
cut its head off, took it back to his wife

850
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:02,840
and be and laid it beside her bed, and before

851
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,760
she awoke, so I should imagine she had the shock

852
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,840
of her life when she woke up. And he died

853
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:18,719
immediately afterwards through exhaustion of fighting this dragon. And there's

854
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,679
an interesting sort of side note to this that his

855
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,199
son went out afterwards found the remains of the dragon

856
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,559
that he had slayed, and he stepped on a bone

857
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:34,960
of the dragon, which caused his leg the dough dangerounus

858
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,360
and he had to have it amplitated or cut off.

859
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:46,760
And this allegedly is or was put into a stained

860
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,760
glass window that was in Heron Hall originally, which showed

861
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,880
a figure of a one legged man, and it believed

862
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,840
that this is what it's referring to this particular story.

863
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:03,159
But as with the Jamesterrell part involved in it, I mean,

864
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,920
he was executed and he didn't, you know, for treason

865
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,519
later on, you know, so you know, this is not

866
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:15,760
obviously a true story as such, but it's just funny

867
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:21,239
how this sort of story is entwined within their lineage.

868
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,159
It does show that they must have been quite an

869
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:30,960
important family to have a dragon slain legend associated with them.

870
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: So with this Terrell family we kind of have to

871
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:40,760
go with we are most likely to come across them

872
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,679
pretty much in a link somewhere in Essex wherever we go,

873
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,559
because that's how prominent this family is and how you

874
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,199
know in the aristocracies and churches and things like that.

875
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,440
It's not going to be a shark if Terrell comes up,

876
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,360
because they're going to win to marry. And it's quite

877
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,360
a relatively small community back then compared to now. It's

878
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:07,880
it's hamlets and villages and small towns that it's not

879
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:14,920
the established UK. You imagine these days, you know, so

880
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:21,360
we expect to find It's just how it goes, isn't it. Boys.

881
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,480
You know, like when you research a family of this

882
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:27,440
prominence in an area of these time periods, they're going

883
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:30,159
to have beentermarried into a lot of the families in

884
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:31,079
the area, right.

885
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: Well, I.

886
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: Think it's a no brainer because they were probably the

887
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:41,679
most influential and wealthy family, and other landowners and wealthy

888
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,280
families would do a lot married their daughters or sons

889
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,840
of inter them whenever possible to try and consolidate well

890
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:54,480
or gain wealth. I mean, it's a no brainer.

891
00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: Exactly. So there was no surprise really when we found

892
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,599
out that terrell have married into the Silliard family, and

893
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:08,920
obviously the Silliard family and the family that owned Poplars Farm,

894
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,920
and the other one I can't remember the name of it.

895
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,639
We're all getting old.

896
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,519
Speaker 2: You can never remember things.

897
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, Daryl, well done filling in my brain fart there.

898
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:28,840
So it's no surprise that the Terrell's and the Silliards

899
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,800
are intermarried, even if it's sort of like along the

900
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,639
line somewhere. So you know that these people and these

901
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,119
they're all socializing, they're all connected eat by family, ties

902
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,519
and by networking. Really, it's just how it goes, isn't it.

903
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,079
Speaker 3: That's what it was like back then there's no TV's

904
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:50,760
what else were you supposed to do?

905
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,159
Speaker 1: It's one of the most confusing lines when you try

906
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:57,000
and work it out. I tell you, when you're trying

907
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:01,239
to follow which which Terrell to follow, it does get confusing.

908
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,039
Speaker 3: Now carry on, Sorry, no, no.

909
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: That's okay. From this, Richard and I then pop along

910
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,039
to the church. We go to All Saints. However, you're

911
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:19,000
going to have to wait for a further episode on

912
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:25,519
that because that's still unfolding, and it's quite interesting how

913
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,760
spirit work is all I'm going to say, because we

914
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,280
will talk about that church because Richard, bless him, set

915
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,800
up a fantastic internal visit, which you have to set up.

916
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,880
You can't just go. It's not an open church. This

917
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:42,119
is a looked after by the public kind of church,

918
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:42,960
isn't it, Richard.

919
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 3: Yes, it's the church's trust. It's a redundant church, but

920
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,760
it's looked after by volunteers. And so I just went

921
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,000
on to their website and found out that they would

922
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:58,480
kindly if you sort of asked, and yeah, I thought, well,

923
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:02,039
I'll send them an email, and fortunate and fortunately for us,

924
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,039
we managed to have an exclusive little look around inside

925
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:06,480
the church.

926
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,199
Speaker 1: Now it is a Toyrell church. It was founded by

927
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,440
the Torrells. But the one story that really stuck out

928
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:17,280
that I'm going to we're going to end the show on,

929
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,880
is the story of the Heart Richard.

930
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, here, won't it. The allegend tale that is

931
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,320
also associated with this church is after the execution of

932
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:36,320
Anne Berlin, it is said that her body was somehow

933
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,400
spirited away by either some family members or some of

934
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,639
her supporters from her burial place within the Tower of London,

935
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:47,519
and it was and it was en route to one

936
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,320
of the Berlin states in Norfolk. But whilst it was

937
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,239
on route, they stopped off overnight at this church. And

938
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,360
it is said that that they actually removed her art

939
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:04,039
at the church and it was buried under a black

940
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,280
marble slab somewhere within the church.

941
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:14,119
Speaker 1: When we was at the church, Darryl, do you remember

942
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:15,960
what was on top of that slab?

943
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 3: No?

944
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: Sorry, there was a statue without a head.

945
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:27,199
Speaker 2: Oh yes, there was, yeah, sorry, yeah.

946
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:29,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember seeing that. Now you're thinking about it,

947
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,920
because I was busily sort of chin wagging through the

948
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,280
guide that showed us rams at Astrid and you two

949
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,440
were off abouts or cloth the graphing and all sorts.

950
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,599
So yeah, I do remember seeing that.

951
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: Now, several times throughout the show we refer to photographs

952
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,000
that were taking it at the place on the location

953
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:56,440
because they meant something at the time when we was

954
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,199
working the psychic work alongside the physical work. We are

955
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:03,519
going to set up a website so we can share

956
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:06,519
these photographs with you, just to see what you got

957
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,960
to see. If you see the same things we did,

958
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,559
you know, and if you follow any of the links

959
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,960
and you're following the quests, then please feel free to

960
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,639
look into these families yourself because they are absolutely fascinating

961
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,320
in their own right. And whether it's just rebringing those

962
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,159
stories to life and spirit of bringing these things so

963
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:32,000
we can shine the light and remember the drama of

964
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:35,119
those times and how things played out in those times,

965
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,880
you know, because it was quite brutal through that period

966
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,880
in history. I don't know, but I'm thoroughly enjoying the journey,

967
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,800
and I really enjoyed the visit to the church. But

968
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,800
like I say, I'm not going to talk about that

969
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,519
anymore tonight. That's so far the Heron Hall experience.

970
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,639
Speaker 2: Sum it up, Darryl, beautiful. I want to go back there, Agains.

971
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,599
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure we will make our way

972
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:08,400
back there again. It's certainly on on the map now

973
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,519
and on our radar, and and it is certainly established

974
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,599
there is something there or there is something that will

975
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:19,159
lead us onto something which has done already in a

976
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:22,480
subtle sort of way. We've managed to get a trip

977
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:26,360
round the interior of All Saints Church, which you know,

978
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,679
you can put that down to being sort of inspired

979
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,960
or guided by spirit or something that way, you know,

980
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,599
you know, so we are getting a lot from that

981
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:44,280
particular location, even just talking about it after the event.

982
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, I mean, but some foulding is just.

983
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

984
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: This whole journey is weird, as you like anyway, so

985
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:58,440
you know, what can you expect? And it's just like more,

986
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:03,599
It just so happen and so quickly sometimes that it

987
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:06,480
does get confusing, it does get hard to follow, but

988
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:08,360
we're going to try and get it so, you know,

989
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,119
you because this is happening whilst we're doing these podcasts.

990
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,920
This is all unfolding. This has been in the last months,

991
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:18,400
right that this is unfolded because you know, we was

992
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:23,960
at Thundersy Church sorry Hadley Castle on July the seventeenth,

993
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:26,760
So you're literally looking at about a four week period

994
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:32,000
and so much happens consistently. We could do a podcast today, really,

995
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:35,840
couldn't we. Every time we go out, we could literally

996
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,960
just do as on what unfolds in that period of time.

997
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: It's everybody then.

998
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm terribly naughty because we've gone over time. Anyway,

999
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:48,559
say goodbye guys, goodbye, go