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<v Speaker 1>It is time for Tech Tuesday with rich de Burrow,

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<v Speaker 1>our tech guy. He's also on KTLA every day, rich

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<v Speaker 1>on Tech every Saturday, right here on KFI eleven am

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<v Speaker 1>to two, Instagram at rich on Tech website, rich on

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<v Speaker 1>tech dot TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, Rich, Good morning too, Bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we have a few things to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft is making a push to go passwordless. How then

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<v Speaker 1>do you have the kind of security that you need

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<v Speaker 1>if there's no password there?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'll be honest, passwords are actually the worst security

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<v Speaker 4>in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that sounds counterintuitive.

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<v Speaker 4>But they really are easy to crack, they're easy to steal,

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<v Speaker 4>they're easy to trick humans into handing them over. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's why Microsoft is really moving past passwords. And if

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<v Speaker 4>you look at a lot of the startups that I'm seeing,

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<v Speaker 4>when you and if you've signed up for a new

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<v Speaker 4>product or service lately, you might have noticed when you

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<v Speaker 4>go to the website, it says put your email address,

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<v Speaker 4>and you put your email in. The next thing does

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<v Speaker 4>not say create a password. It says we just emailed

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<v Speaker 4>you a code. Pop that code in or click what's

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<v Speaker 4>called a magic link, and that magic link you go

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<v Speaker 4>to your email, you click it and next thing you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you're logged into that website. So this is definitely a

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<v Speaker 4>trend we're seeing. Passwords are not going away overnight. But

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<v Speaker 4>Microsoft is a big company that is really trying to

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<v Speaker 4>push people to stop using them.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you use instead? Is that your question?

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<v Speaker 3>Face recognition?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it could be your face, it could be

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<v Speaker 4>your fingerprint or even a pin. And you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>say these are eight times faster than logging in. And

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<v Speaker 4>really this is all part of something called past keys.

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<v Speaker 4>So Bill, let me paint you the picture of what

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<v Speaker 4>happens in the future. Let's say you get rid of

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<v Speaker 4>your Microsoft password, which they're actually telling people, log onto

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<v Speaker 4>your account.

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<v Speaker 2>And literally delete it.

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<v Speaker 4>And so once you do that, the next time you

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<v Speaker 4>log in, it'll say, hey, we just pushed a notification

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<v Speaker 4>to your phone. Go to your phone and do your

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<v Speaker 4>typical authentication, whether that's your face, your fingerprint, or your pin,

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<v Speaker 4>and the website will log you in.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I and maybe I'm off track

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<v Speaker 1>here because I'm not your tech Maven, That's why you're

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. But whenever I get a code for

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<v Speaker 1>my bank or whatever for authentication, and I use my phone,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't use computers. Maybe that's my problem because my

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<v Speaker 1>phone is my computer, so it gives me the code

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<v Speaker 1>and I have to memorize that number because I'm switching

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<v Speaker 1>over to the program itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I doing something wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there is an option on the iPhone to automatically

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<v Speaker 4>have that code populate into the keyboard. So you should

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<v Speaker 4>see a little option where that code coming from Messages

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<v Speaker 4>should like appear right in the keyboard, like above the

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<v Speaker 4>keyboard list. And that's pretty common for a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>these apps to do. That is to basically, your Messages

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<v Speaker 4>app is reading that you've got a one time code

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<v Speaker 4>and it's putting that there.

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<v Speaker 2>So look for that next time bill because that does help.

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<v Speaker 4>Otherwise, Yeah, you're right, you have to swipe to the

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<v Speaker 4>other app, copy the code, put it back in. Especially

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<v Speaker 4>when you're on an email situation where they email you

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<v Speaker 4>the code, you got to go to your email. But

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<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you there's a reason for all of this.

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<v Speaker 4>It's because and Microsoft said, by the way, they are

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<v Speaker 4>dealing with seven thousand password attacks per second right now,

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<v Speaker 4>which is double last year's rate. And these new systems

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<v Speaker 4>are much more resistant to phishing because let's just say

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<v Speaker 4>you set up a pass key on your Microsoft account,

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<v Speaker 4>you go to a fake Microsoft account that's trying to

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<v Speaker 4>log you know, get you to log in. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>going to trigger that little activation to your phone or

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<v Speaker 4>to your computer to say, hey, you know, log in

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<v Speaker 4>with your password or your face, your fingerprint, because it can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fake website. It doesn't have that connection. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to be a slow process.

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<v Speaker 4>I know it's it's kind of confusing, but at the

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<v Speaker 4>end of the day, we're very used to opening up

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<v Speaker 4>our phone with our face or our fingerprint or passcode.

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<v Speaker 4>That's going to be kind of the new way to

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<v Speaker 4>authenticate all of these apps that we're logging into as well,

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<v Speaker 4>and websites and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, moving over something that I actually know something about

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<v Speaker 1>use all the time, and that's Roku.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh and uh, this is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm switching over from Roku just to my smart

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<v Speaker 1>TV because I find Roku a pain in the ass.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah, yeah, I do. I don't know why smart

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<v Speaker 2>TV running, what kind of operating system?

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<v Speaker 3>How the hell do I know?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know it's you know, it's let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my wife who's the tech maven.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know how phones.

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<v Speaker 1>Work without a wired to the wall, for God's sake.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where I'm at. But here is the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Roku users are starting to see ads when they pause content.

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<v Speaker 3>And I pause all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to go get I've got a p i've

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<v Speaker 3>And so I pause it and then move on. Big problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh is this what roku is really gonna do?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is what they're gonna do. And so this

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<v Speaker 4>is a new feature called pause ads. So when you

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<v Speaker 4>pause your movie or TV show, a static AD will

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<v Speaker 4>show up on the screen. And typically it's an AD

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<v Speaker 4>along with a QR code for something. If it works properly,

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<v Speaker 4>it's something that's related to maybe your search history, or

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<v Speaker 4>they somehow have built a profile of the things that

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<v Speaker 4>you might be interested based on your age or where

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<v Speaker 4>you live, things like that. And this is appearing across

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<v Speaker 4>multiple apps on the row, and people are starting to

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<v Speaker 4>see this and yeah, this is a feature that we're seeing,

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<v Speaker 4>or I guess a trend we're seeing across lots of

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<v Speaker 4>streaming apps, especially when you're on you know, the AD

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<v Speaker 2>A Hulu or a YouTube or an HBO Max. This

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<v Speaker 2>happened to me the other day.

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<v Speaker 4>I was on Peacock watching a movie and I paused

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<v Speaker 4>the movie, came back to the room, and I was surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, oh, there's the pause ad.

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<v Speaker 4>So the first time you see it, you're a little surprised,

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<v Speaker 4>But I think bill at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, these marketing companies are looking for ways of

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<v Speaker 4>grabbing our attention, and they have a very small window

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<v Speaker 4>at this point because of you know, just how everything is.

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<v Speaker 4>We're always kind of switching between different things and how

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<v Speaker 4>we watch and our tension span, and if you're paused

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<v Speaker 4>on the screen, you're gonna notice it for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I even Instagram, which I use because people

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<v Speaker 1>will send me Instagram stuff all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>You have the ad that appears for before you start.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything, but it's like five seconds and then you go

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<v Speaker 1>skip this ad, which that's livable. Are we talking five seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen seconds, thirty seconds?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the ad itself is the Typically the ones that

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen are static, so they are just on your

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<v Speaker 2>You're paused the entire time.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're pausing the show for a minute, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you might see that ad for a minute. But the

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<v Speaker 4>idea is that these ads are just there in between,

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<v Speaker 4>and so you know, and the ones I've seen, it

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<v Speaker 4>just kind of works because otherwise, what do you see

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<v Speaker 4>on the screen as your TV show paused right or

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<v Speaker 4>your movie paused? But yes, it is a shift in

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<v Speaker 4>the way that we think about entertainment because here you are,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, watching an action movie or something and you

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<v Speaker 4>pause and it's like an ad for Dominos. And those

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<v Speaker 4>are the kind of ads that I've seen, and they're

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<v Speaker 4>smart and savvy. And again I think that unless I

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<v Speaker 4>think the delineation here will be if we start to

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<v Speaker 4>see them on content that we have paid to be

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<v Speaker 4>ad free.

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<v Speaker 2>So for instance, it's Netflix, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Like they have you know, their top of the line

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<v Speaker 4>subscriptions don't have ads, but they do have subscriptions that

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<v Speaker 4>are ads supported.

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<v Speaker 2>So does Peacock, so does YouTube.

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<v Speaker 4>So I understand if you're if you're getting your your

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<v Speaker 4>subscription for less because it's ads supported, if you see

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<v Speaker 4>ads during pause, I mean that's kind of an all

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<v Speaker 4>fair game. I'd say, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, Rich, we were talking about the ads and

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<v Speaker 1>Roku is now going to have ads static ads when

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<v Speaker 1>you put whatever show on pause. And this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that is really bothering me, that we're

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<v Speaker 1>moving in the direction where we're going to have ads

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what or where unless you're willing to pay

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<v Speaker 1>insane amounts of money. When TV first came out, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a minute top and bottom for ads, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we went to cable and you would pay to not

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<v Speaker 1>have and I still think in terms of paying anybody

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<v Speaker 1>to not put ads in, and it's moving the other way,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is is there any possibility that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're willing to pay twenty five to thirty dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a month maybe more, that you're gonna have ads in

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<v Speaker 1>everything you see on television?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I mean it. Look and here's the thing. The

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<v Speaker 4>fastest growing area of television. We've talked about this before

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<v Speaker 4>is these free ads supported streaming services. So people are

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<v Speaker 4>actually looking to cut costs with their cable bill, with

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<v Speaker 4>their streaming bill, with their cell phone bill, and they

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<v Speaker 4>don't mind having the ads, and so it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>That big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 4>And the options for having no ads remain, but they're

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<v Speaker 4>getting more and more expensive, like you said, and so

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<v Speaker 4>people will pay to get rid of ads. If they

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<v Speaker 4>want to. But there are many many people out there

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<v Speaker 4>who don't real mind the ads. They see it as

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<v Speaker 4>a natural break. They see it as you know, this

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<v Speaker 4>is the way TV was in the past. This is

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<v Speaker 4>free content, so why not why not just get it

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<v Speaker 4>for free? And it powers a lot of businesses. So

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<v Speaker 4>I think that no matter what there will be, there

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<v Speaker 4>will always be a level that is ads supported. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's interesting that some of these ads supported plans

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<v Speaker 4>cost money, Like Netflix, you know their ad supported plan,

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<v Speaker 4>You're still paying for it, So it's interesting versus something

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<v Speaker 4>like a twov or a Pluto TV, where you don't

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<v Speaker 4>because of the ads.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's where I think my gripe is.

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<v Speaker 1>And it could because I'm dated, because I'm used to

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<v Speaker 1>starting non paid TV subscription TV, which wouldn't even dream

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<v Speaker 1>of having an AD and now you're paying, paying to

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<v Speaker 1>having ads where it was not appropriate in the movie

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<v Speaker 1>theaters and you'd have la times run And this was

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<v Speaker 1>way back in the day. And I come from a

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have someone who has only recently started watching TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about that last decade or two, just getting

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<v Speaker 1>involved with their kids, you know what, It's just part

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<v Speaker 2>And hold on Bill.

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<v Speaker 4>Even taking it a step further, half the content nowadays

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<v Speaker 4>Instagram reels or TikTok, a lot of that content is

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<v Speaker 4>sponsored itself. So the content that you're watching, like if

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<v Speaker 4>it's a review of a toaster, oven or something like that,

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<v Speaker 4>this merging of like hold on what's true, what's real,

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<v Speaker 4>and what's not sponsored in any way. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>that part of it is also really tricky moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>And for some reason, well you know, that seems to work.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that doesn't really bother me because I'm pretending

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm seeing content, the influencer is pretending that there's

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<v Speaker 1>is a sponsored segment and it is literally sponsored by

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of it is truly content. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>I were do a sponsored by and I would do

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<v Speaker 1>the content on that ad or on that business every week,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different story. So I guess it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>question of levels. And by the way, on the sponsored stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped. I stopped really caring when I saw an

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<v Speaker 1>eleven year old kid getting twenty million dollars a year

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<v Speaker 1>for opening birthday presents.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that did it to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think he has a line of toys

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<v Speaker 4>at Target now, and I think he's actually I think

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<v Speaker 4>he just turned forty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's just, uh, it's like the cars

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<v Speaker 1>for causes kids. I won't even tell you what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to them, right, you know most of them are dead

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<v Speaker 1>of old age now.

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<v Speaker 4>And you're right, Oh my gosh, okay, I know nothing

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<v Speaker 4>saturder than when I watch movies and I look up

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<v Speaker 4>the actor and I'm like, oh, please, don't some of

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<v Speaker 4>that person's dead?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yep, they're dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Or how about when they're alive and they don't look

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<v Speaker 3>so good?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no comment there.

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<v Speaker 4>That has some point Some people don't age. Well no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>we can't. We can't figure that out, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean? Like you can't. You can't make that happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I think on the flip side, when you go to further,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when you're really changing your looks. So many

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<v Speaker 4>times it's like, wait, who's this person?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? You don't even recognize them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, Rich, we're out of time.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we had gone some way a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more time, because there's a bunch of stuff we'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>do next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Then.

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<v Speaker 1>Rich Demuau Rtech Guy KTLA every day, Channel five every Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>eleven in the morning at two pm, right here on

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<v Speaker 1>KFI Instagram, at rich on tech website, rich on tech

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<v Speaker 1>dot TV. See this, I'm pitching you and people pretend

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<v Speaker 1>we pretend this is not sponsored stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>When I give the pitch, it's not sponsored. You're no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not sponsored.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, I'm accusing you of paying for that. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>don't hate the player, hate the game, you guys. No,

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<v Speaker 3>let's start that rumor. Okay, all right, Rich, take care.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll catch you over the weekend. Bye.
