Speaker 1: Get ready for.
Speaker 2: August twenty eight, twenty twenty five, allegedly, according to that
Speaker 2: thing we call a calendar, this is Thursday. This is
Speaker 2: the O'Kelly effect, and I am doing this live regardless
Speaker 2: of whether people are listening or not. And apologies immediately.
Speaker 2: My voice is not quite fully recovered from whatever the
Speaker 2: itck was that I had there, some kind of cold flu,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm gonna shrudge through, and apologies
Speaker 2: in advance for coughing and whatever else. Anyway, I'm really
Speaker 2: grateful because I've been wanting to get Pierce Redmond back
Speaker 2: on and I had him scheduled for a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago, but that's when my internet was taken away,
Speaker 2: so you know, I had no internet. I had no
Speaker 2: way to contact peers, and he showed up thinking we
Speaker 2: were doing a live show and I couldn't respond. So
Speaker 2: he was one of those people that I didn't have.
Speaker 2: I guess a number stored in a good spot. But whatever,
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming anybody. I didn't have internet, couldn't tell
Speaker 2: him I can't do the show. Would have been a
Speaker 2: simple matter. But anyway, since then, I've been wanting to,
Speaker 2: you know, get him back on and I told him
Speaker 2: a sap. But he's got a life too, and why
Speaker 2: do I want to talk to him? Well, the Epstein
Speaker 2: thing and Porkin's Policy Review dot com. That is the
Speaker 2: website still, isn't it, Piers?
Speaker 1: That is still the website.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to make sure not much, not.
Speaker 1: Much happening, but yeah, it is. It is still the website.
Speaker 2: Well, but there's an archive, there isn't there.
Speaker 1: There is an archive. Yeah, if you and you know,
Speaker 1: you can search any of the keywords that Epstein Maxwell.
Speaker 1: I was actually searching it this this morning in preparation
Speaker 1: for this, and I actually I actually saw that there
Speaker 1: was stuff that I thought I had tagged that I
Speaker 1: did it, and so there we go.
Speaker 2: Well, look they have it, and anybody you know, independent
Speaker 2: media wise who isn't blessed with a staff and you know,
Speaker 2: a box of gold being delivered to their facility like
Speaker 2: some people you know, And that's a literal true story
Speaker 2: about somebody in the alleged all media. But we're not
Speaker 2: here to talk about them today, are we. The thing is,
Speaker 2: you know, Epstein Maxwell, the circumstances, the currently kind of
Speaker 2: fading from the news cycle. I mean, we got new
Speaker 2: mass shootings, you know, Catholic School in Minneapolis, which oddly
Speaker 2: I heard media people saying, you know, this is probably
Speaker 2: a hate crime before they had a motive or even
Speaker 2: knowledge allegedly of the shooter. H So you know that
Speaker 2: doesn't bode well because most things that come out of
Speaker 2: the mouths of reporters during live action events like that,
Speaker 2: and I do mean to say it as you know,
Speaker 2: something that is ongoing in real time, most of those
Speaker 2: quotes come from what their interaction with police. So police
Speaker 2: must have been saying this has to be a hate crime.
Speaker 2: Don't know what inspired that, not saying anybody's a crisis
Speaker 2: actor or shaking anything, not at all. But isn't it
Speaker 2: fascinating how the media begins to spend something before they
Speaker 2: even have all the facts at all. I mean, even
Speaker 2: if you're trying to be objective about it. Oh, anyway,
Speaker 2: back to our topic at hand. You know Epstein, what's
Speaker 2: going on the Epstein files. We were going to get
Speaker 2: the client list, all that contramaisy and what do we got?
Speaker 2: Not much, not much that we didn't already have. And
Speaker 2: also phase one is apparently, hey, here's all the crap
Speaker 2: the researchers did. We were not necessarily all your friends anymore,
Speaker 2: but some of them are magnation and they already had this.
Speaker 2: But take a look at it like it's a brand new,
Speaker 2: shiny object. It reminds me of the guy that in
Speaker 2: real time turned around, took a quarter from me, shined
Speaker 2: it up really good, put it back in front of me,
Speaker 2: and tried to convince me that it was a different quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what they do. In some circles. They might call
Speaker 2: it polishing a turn. I'm gonna stop talking real soon, guys,
Speaker 2: in case you're wondering, because I want to hear from
Speaker 2: Pierce about how he's viewing the current changes and evolution
Speaker 2: in the Epstein slash Maxwell saga, because don't forget, Maxwell
Speaker 2: is a co conspirator. Although I got a little problem here.
Speaker 2: I mean, was it just a conspiracy of Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: and Gilaine, just Laine whatever, however you say, you know, Maxwell,
Speaker 2: Was it just a conspiracy between those two people or
Speaker 2: whether others involved? Because I got this odd idea about
Speaker 2: how nobody else has been prosecuted here. But anyway, put
Speaker 2: that aside, let's think about the logic of the way
Speaker 2: this is being sold and spun spind or spun must
Speaker 2: be spun right, how it is being spun to people?
Speaker 2: I mean, really, if it's political spinning not a spinning top,
Speaker 2: is it something that spinned past tense or it's something
Speaker 2: that was spun. What do you think, pers I mean,
Speaker 2: I know you're not an English major, but.
Speaker 1: It's still spinning at the current right, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's I think they're still spinning this story. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like at the time we last
Speaker 1: talked about it, I might be wrong, but I think
Speaker 1: you were. You were a little bit more. I think
Speaker 1: I was more bullish in terms of this continuing. And
Speaker 1: I think you thought, oh, I don't know. And and
Speaker 1: I think that in many ways they are. It hasn't
Speaker 1: gone away, and they are continuing. They're having to kind
Speaker 1: of continue to kind of reinterpret this and and spin
Speaker 1: new I wouldn't really say they're like it's like new evidence,
Speaker 1: but certainly people are beginning, I think, to U no
Speaker 1: longer uh sit on stories. So we've seen that with
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, with the S. Birtday Book. We've
Speaker 1: seen it with the New York Times and these the
Speaker 1: you know, these articles that they had about with photos
Speaker 1: showing surveillance cameras in Epstein's brown house in Manhattan, and
Speaker 1: also other things that I don't know if you that
Speaker 1: I saw this. Uh earlier today, I was reading and
Speaker 1: Reason magazine of of of all places, and published some
Speaker 1: stuff I guess leaked emails from Ahood Barack, which there
Speaker 1: was nothing in that that was all that like earth
Speaker 1: shattering or or big, but it was kind of further
Speaker 1: confirmation of a lot of things that we knew visa
Speaker 1: visair relationship Epstein and A. H. Barock, this company Carbine
Speaker 1: that they were both involved in that sort of changed names.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: There were also I guess, you know email exchange is
Speaker 1: between them talking about Peter Teele and others. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's there's a lot more eyeballs on it,
Speaker 1: and there are more certainly in the I guess what
Speaker 1: Trump would deem as a liberal leftist media like CNN
Speaker 1: and MSNBC and outlets like that, they are covering it
Speaker 1: every day, and I think that even places like Fox
Speaker 1: News and Newsmax are kind of being forced to either
Speaker 1: dismiss it or or change tuned completely. And somehow the
Speaker 1: the story is evolving to a place where Maxwell is
Speaker 1: actually the victim. And you're seeing a lot of these
Speaker 1: right wing Trump kind of cult members that are certainly
Speaker 1: following the orders of the Guru and are completely parroting
Speaker 1: that idea that Maxwell is some sort of victim, that
Speaker 1: she's very courageous for speaking with Todd Blanche and so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, it's it's a I I
Speaker 1: still I still think I'm not sure that this will
Speaker 1: be his complete undoing. I think that that is probably
Speaker 1: you know, that this one thing is I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's enough, but it is certainly he's unraveling, I think.
Speaker 1: And you see that more with I mean, it seems
Speaker 1: like every you know, with each passing news report about this,
Speaker 1: or just each each time that a reporter is bringing
Speaker 1: this up, he's gonna declare martial law in another state.
Speaker 1: You know, He's threatened New York. He's he's gonna go
Speaker 1: to other places as well. He's obviously trying to take
Speaker 1: over Washington.
Speaker 2: D C.
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's uh, it's it's it's fascinating that
Speaker 1: for Trump, the way to distract people is not bringing
Speaker 1: not fighting a war overseas, it's just bringing that war home,
Speaker 1: declaring martial law in Washington, d c. Or threatening to
Speaker 1: do it in other states, as opposed to just say bombing,
Speaker 1: you know, a pharmacy in Sudan, right famously Bill Clinton
Speaker 1: did so.
Speaker 2: I have one question for you about this, and that
Speaker 2: is that have you taken note of any shift or
Speaker 2: pivot from the people that are far right of Gutfeld
Speaker 2: in the podcasting and media world who do make their
Speaker 2: money off of you know, hey, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: all in on Trump, And by the way, by this
Speaker 2: particular powder and I have my own energy drink, and
Speaker 2: you know, I also have gun products, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: I don't object to anybody hawking whatever people are willing
Speaker 2: to buy. But when they tell you your literal freedom
Speaker 2: depends on you know, your energy drink, it gets a
Speaker 2: little weird for me. But anyway, have you taken note
Speaker 2: of any of those guys and the strange pivot that's
Speaker 2: gone on recently, because to me, I'm seeing that yes, indeed,
Speaker 2: this is not something that could instantly quash in the
Speaker 2: news cycle, but it is being incrementally changed. And quick
Speaker 2: note on CNN, just real fast, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: people have argued with me over the years You're ridiculous.
Speaker 2: They're left bringers there after Trump. See, they don't understand
Speaker 2: the dynamic here the major shareholders. If you take a
Speaker 2: look at the people that actually own and control CNN, Okay,
Speaker 2: not kidding CNN directly, but also you take a look
Speaker 2: at the different corporate individuals and entities that are involved
Speaker 2: in that media company, and you examine who it is
Speaker 2: they gave money to in the last election cycle and
Speaker 2: the last time that Trump was also victorious, You'll notice
Speaker 2: that CNN is one of his best campaign contributor contributors,
Speaker 2: not just on regular paper but through their shell companies,
Speaker 2: through the packs. You know, it's sort of like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, the Kochs are supporting these left bring organizations
Speaker 2: times because they have different views, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: they're supporting badly standing left wing organizations, so that the
Speaker 2: right wing organizations are supporting what you can afford to do.
Speaker 2: If you make a couple of million dollars an hour,
Speaker 2: you know, you can support a poorly designed adversary and
Speaker 2: a well designed enemy and allow them to fight in
Speaker 2: public to make a point. Oh wait, that's kind of
Speaker 2: the formula for the WWE, and that's what you do Okay,
Speaker 2: so CNN is literally living off of the content they
Speaker 2: make out of Trump, however you want to view it.
Speaker 2: And eventually they do apologize back off, and they're being
Speaker 2: inundated with plenty of mag of people now who are
Speaker 2: making the other argument. And you know, they pay Abby
Speaker 2: Phillips to sit there and go, well, that doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense. They do that now instead of Don Lemon
Speaker 2: going this doesn't make any sense. And now in the
Speaker 2: next hour we're going to play how racist is it?
Speaker 2: You know, Don Lemon is out there trying to do
Speaker 2: a thing and he's surviving as a blessed podcaster as well.
Speaker 2: But on the left, nobody's paying attention. There's an interesting
Speaker 2: guy named uh oh god, what is He's got an
Speaker 2: odd name. He's an Arab guy who is on the left.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about, I'm not sure. On CNN,
Speaker 2: no no, no, in the podcast sphere, if you will,
Speaker 2: they were accusing him of taking money from Qatar for
Speaker 2: a little bit, and then you know they found out
Speaker 2: that wasn't true. And you know, he recently did a
Speaker 2: round the uh no, the Arab guy very short had time.
Speaker 2: He recently did a round thing where he brought a
Speaker 2: bunch of magat people into a room, got surrounded by them,
Speaker 2: and got them to admit that they liked fascism and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. You know, is your thing? No, no,
Speaker 2: it's not the guy I got. I gotta look it
Speaker 2: up really quick. But anyway, my point that I wanted
Speaker 2: in the question, which is now lost in my babbling,
Speaker 2: is have you observed that the right wing media sphere
Speaker 2: is doing And I do mean the constant radio shows
Speaker 2: that still exist on you know, terrestrial radio, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: mostly brought to you by Fox News, but there's still
Speaker 2: some indies trying to creep in and become the next uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Bondi, or or become the next you know,
Speaker 2: deputy director of what is he the NBI d o J.
Speaker 2: I forget, what's that guy anyway? Who cares? I don't know, Bino, Yeah,
Speaker 2: whatever the hell he's allegedly doing and was outraged about,
Speaker 2: or you know, the next cash Betel without money, Uh
Speaker 2: you know, something like that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Either way, there's a sphere that goes from the very
Speaker 2: obvious in the corporate to the fringe, and they are
Speaker 2: all effectively uh you know, living on the Trump side
Speaker 2: of the fence regardless of what any of their past
Speaker 2: you know, discussions, were their ideas about the Constitution in
Speaker 2: air quotes, uh, et cetera. It's okay, constitution is something
Speaker 2: we can beat everybody over the ad with until our
Speaker 2: guy breaks it, in which case, you know what, That's
Speaker 2: the way it was supposed to be. You know those
Speaker 2: guys who are out there like Trump's a hero right now,
Speaker 2: everything's going good. I mean, they're literally locked into a greater,
Speaker 2: more intense propaganda machine than Fox News ever was. Have
Speaker 2: you taken any observations as to their pivot lately.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I've definitely. I mean I would say,
Speaker 1: like the obviously, like the big one that I think
Speaker 1: even people who are completely removed from this would know
Speaker 1: is like the Joe Rogan kind of you know, pivot
Speaker 1: from Trump is Messiah to what's going on here? He's
Speaker 1: covering everything up and and I think that, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they're they're they're really uh, I think they
Speaker 1: they're unsure of what they're supposed to be doing. I
Speaker 1: think this is like so I think for any of them,
Speaker 1: like the kind of more twirpy you know, Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 1: I mean he he seems completely content to just do
Speaker 1: whatever Trump calls him up and tells him to do.
Speaker 1: So you're you know, you see him suddenly saying release
Speaker 1: the files. And then the next day is I trust
Speaker 1: the government. I love the government. They know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Maxwell as a hero, we should applaud her. But you know,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of like part for the course. I
Speaker 1: think that's like, of course you would be so spineless
Speaker 1: as to defend a pedophile and certainly, you know, at
Speaker 1: the best case scenario just an enabler of a pedophile
Speaker 1: and at the worst case someone that was involved in
Speaker 1: abuse and in trafficking people. That doesn't shock me. Some
Speaker 1: of the other people, though, on the right wing, it
Speaker 1: it I think they like I saw, I think.
Speaker 2: This was on.
Speaker 1: Like Piers Morgan has a TV show. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what the network is. I saw this on YouTube.
Speaker 1: But there were even you know, even Jack Paso bit
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell his name is, who works at
Speaker 1: who Human Events now, and you know, he was a
Speaker 1: Guantanamo intelligence officer. He's one of these just right wing
Speaker 1: bigot Trump supporters. Even he is like super pissed. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was this was arguably several weeks ago. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what his view is now, but he seemed to
Speaker 1: be I think, kind of like shell shocked by this
Speaker 1: realization that this person that was claiming to be the
Speaker 1: answer to all of these things is actually covering it up.
Speaker 1: And then the further question is like why are they
Speaker 1: covering it up? So yeah, I mean I have noticed it.
Speaker 1: I think that it's it's It's interesting though all the same,
Speaker 1: how people are able to kind of dismiss it. I
Speaker 1: mean I've seen you know, I mean, obviously people like
Speaker 1: Alex Jones are you know, schizophrenic and the what they
Speaker 1: will support of what they want support. And he seems
Speaker 1: to be kind of just almost like a this whole
Speaker 1: movement on steroids. She probably is on also, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to know which way he's going.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I saw that he was, you know, he was saying
Speaker 1: that that people from Trump's office were calling him telling
Speaker 1: him to stop doing this. He's defended Trump and I've
Speaker 1: seen something he's gone after him. This is really Trump's
Speaker 1: you know, double secret three D chess deep state ploy,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I don't know it. It's fascinating.
Speaker 1: I think though, that the thing that is interesting to
Speaker 1: me is that there are enough people within his movement
Speaker 1: and and also just people are you know, right wingers
Speaker 1: that dislike him for whatever reason. And we see that
Speaker 1: with some of the people in Congress that are certainly
Speaker 1: not you know, they're not I don't know that I
Speaker 1: would say on ninety nine percent of the things they
Speaker 1: would agree with Trump, but for whatever reason they dislike him.
Speaker 1: There's enough of a I don't know, political will to
Speaker 1: pursue it. And I think that I don't know that
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they're fully aware of what they
Speaker 1: are pursuing. I think that many of these people think
Speaker 1: they can. It's funny, I find the more and more
Speaker 1: I look at this and you see all these people
Speaker 1: like you see Trump and Bondye and the response they've had.
Speaker 1: They always seem to think they can handle this. They
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do. And you see that too
Speaker 1: with a lot of these like right wing radio hosts.
Speaker 1: They think, no, no, I can spin this, I can
Speaker 1: spin this. This is good for us, don't worry. And
Speaker 1: I think what what is happening more and more is
Speaker 1: that the people listening to these people are just even
Speaker 1: more incensed. And and you see that like with like
Speaker 1: the like the timeline of events that uh has transpired
Speaker 1: with this like this the original you know, when they
Speaker 1: initially sort of renegged on their promise to release the
Speaker 1: Epstein files. Then you know, a few days later, Trump
Speaker 1: is complaining to his bass. Then the Wall Street Journals
Speaker 1: you know, comes out with the the this Epstein birthday
Speaker 1: book story, and Bondie fires Maureen Comy. Then the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal, you know, publishes the story. Then suddenly Blanche
Speaker 1: is gonna meet with Maxwell, and you know, then they're
Speaker 1: they're meeting with Maxwell, and then you know, initially Maxwell claims, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this, you know, recruiting from
Speaker 1: mar Alago. And then you know, a day later, Maxwell says, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, actually maybe maybe we did recruit someone
Speaker 1: from mar Alago. And there she's obviously talking about ju free,
Speaker 1: but did her name? And then a few days later
Speaker 1: Trump is says, oh, no, well, actually Jeffrey was stolen
Speaker 1: from our a Lago. He you know, she worked there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know Epstein, you know, hand picked her
Speaker 1: and moved her over there. And then suddenly Maxwell's moved
Speaker 1: to a new prison location. Then you've got the new
Speaker 1: York Times Brownstone story where they published photos where you
Speaker 1: can see the surveillance equipment, and then they released the
Speaker 1: Maxwell transcripts, which you know, I was I have not
Speaker 1: listened to all six hours of it, but just jumping
Speaker 1: around listening to clips that, you know, the kind of
Speaker 1: like newsworthy ones that all the kind of main media had,
Speaker 1: and then plus I would just sort of I would
Speaker 1: just sort of jump around between the six hours and
Speaker 1: just sort of pick a spot, and it's it's like
Speaker 1: a complete It is just six hours of Maxwell basically
Speaker 1: saying she is the victim. Everything is everyone was against her,
Speaker 1: nothing bad really happened. Everything is fake, you know, according
Speaker 1: to her. I mean, it's like right out of Trump's playbook.
Speaker 1: But and we could we should get to that a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I just find this story it just
Speaker 1: keeps unraveling, and they keep thinking that, oh, Okay, if
Speaker 1: we do this, then everyone will kind of move on,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work. So I I think that with
Speaker 1: the I think that the the congressional hearings that are
Speaker 1: going into this, my sense is that they I think
Speaker 1: they're looking for something. I think they're obviously from who
Speaker 1: they want to subpoena that they're obviously, you know, with
Speaker 1: the power the Republicans have in the House, they're trying
Speaker 1: to kind of pin this onto the Democrats. But they
Speaker 1: are also asking people like Acosta is going to be there,
Speaker 1: He's going to be answering questions, and you know it's
Speaker 1: Acosta has said some pretty crazy things in the past,
Speaker 1: including that, you know, he was told to back off
Speaker 1: of the Epstein stuff because of his connections to intelligence.
Speaker 1: I think anyone you know, on that committee that gets
Speaker 1: there five minutes or whatever can ask him, you know,
Speaker 1: what the hell, why what happened? Why did Trump? You know,
Speaker 1: did you what was going on there? What about the
Speaker 1: Sweetheart deal? So I think that they believe that they
Speaker 1: can kind of control this story, but this story is uncontrollable,
Speaker 1: and it just seems to be getting worse.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 1: This constant attempt Like I saw some interview with Jim
Speaker 1: Jordan basically on Fox being like, yeah, there's nothing to
Speaker 1: see here. You know, Maxwell is innocent, and you know,
Speaker 1: she said that Trump didn't do anything wrong. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: And I mean it's just insane. Can you imagine if
Speaker 1: this was Biden, right, and these allegations were about him.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the interesting thing. There's always a hypocrisy built in,
Speaker 2: and I'll just like, let you run here. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to interrupt you because I wanted to listen in
Speaker 2: real time to your thought process. And I've got to say,
Speaker 2: you know, look, you and I disagree from time to
Speaker 2: time on certain things, and occasionally I gotta be fair
Speaker 2: with you. You know, sometimes you got to flip a
Speaker 2: coin as to which one of us sees this the
Speaker 2: correct way when it comes to the way certain things
Speaker 2: are going to play out. And that's what's happened over
Speaker 2: the years. That's why I love talking to you, by
Speaker 2: the way, because I'm not always right and you're not
Speaker 2: always wrong. You know what I'm saying. It's greatest. We
Speaker 2: haven't a back and forth here, and my argument is
Speaker 2: very simple. Oh, by the way, Ziteo is the name
Speaker 2: of the media organization this guy started, and his last
Speaker 2: name is a San. I thought you meant his first
Speaker 2: name was the San, but I didn't have that off
Speaker 2: the top of my head, Mehdi or something like that.
Speaker 2: I'm probably butchering the name. Eh oh. Yes, So it's
Speaker 2: like Mehdi Hassan. He's a left wing guy who literally said,
Speaker 2: you know what, surround me with maga people, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have him at the mic one by one and
Speaker 2: let the other mag of people throw up red flags
Speaker 2: around us, you know, to say, you know, when it's
Speaker 2: time to cut this guy off and let them debate
Speaker 2: me with whatever points they think I'm an idiot liberal about.
Speaker 2: And it was pretty fascinating to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I know, I know him. He used to work for
Speaker 1: Al Jazeera for many years, and then he went to
Speaker 1: The Intercept and then MSNBC and now yeah, he has
Speaker 1: his own I know him from from interviewing recently Miss Rachel.
Speaker 1: She is a kids she makes kids content, but she's
Speaker 1: also been very outspoken about the atrocities in Gaza. So
Speaker 1: anyone with a one year old or you know, older
Speaker 1: will probably know who Miss Rachel is.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool. I you know, I don't know Miss Rachel
Speaker 2: because my my youngest is now eleven. But believe me,
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, I think Frankie is probably
Speaker 1: phased out of the Miss Rachel sort of. She's sort
Speaker 1: of like a the new mister Rogers.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, No, No, I understand. Look, there are these trends
Speaker 2: that come along. When Frankie was little, they were doing this,
Speaker 2: you know, say hello to your fingers thing online and
Speaker 2: somebody created that. That was a big deal. And the
Speaker 2: gaming channels where there were families playing games were a
Speaker 2: huge thing for your kids to watch. And it came
Speaker 2: along with songs and everything else. You know, you go
Speaker 2: into the nineties. I remember women, I knew young women
Speaker 2: with kids, and you couldn't escape Barney. Look, there's always
Speaker 2: a trend among kids that you can't escape if they're
Speaker 2: ever exposed to the media broadcast other kids.
Speaker 1: Forget it.
Speaker 2: It's over that you're stuck with something. And I guess
Speaker 2: miss Rachel's the current thing. Don't tell me anything else
Speaker 2: about it, please, because no matter what it is, whether
Speaker 2: it's baby shark, it doesn't matter. It's gonna drive you
Speaker 2: insane if you're a parent for a little while, I
Speaker 2: promise you, okay, And you know, look, and I'm very
Speaker 2: happy for you. I don't want to discuss things, but
Speaker 2: I'm very happy for your change in family situation, which
Speaker 2: is very recent. And as a first time parent, you're
Speaker 2: going to experience some things that no matter what I
Speaker 2: tell you, you're just gonna have to do them. Quite frankly
Speaker 2: and sorry to say, and look for those people to
Speaker 2: take them all on the left wing side. I always
Speaker 2: love to point these things out, and Pierce might disagree
Speaker 2: with me about this too. Just current event, totally not
Speaker 2: tied to the Epstein thing or anything. What's happening at
Speaker 2: the CDC right now. I'm kind of happy about it,
Speaker 2: but I worry as to what the payoff to Big
Speaker 2: Farm is going to be, because they're not going to
Speaker 2: just go out of business. So I'm a little worried
Speaker 2: about the other shoe that drops that nobody hears in
Speaker 2: the woods when it comes to things like this. So
Speaker 2: you know, Bobby Kennedy legitimately wants to do some of
Speaker 2: what he's doing. How far that'll go and what the
Speaker 2: background deal on that is going to be or is
Speaker 2: already in place, We're going to find out later and
Speaker 2: it's going to probably be unfortunate. But on the surface,
Speaker 2: I'm happy about what I see there a peers. You
Speaker 2: might not be when it comes to vaccinations and you know,
Speaker 2: and the weird things going on and people resigning and saying, oh,
Speaker 2: it's now more dangerous in America because we don't have
Speaker 2: the ability to you know, enforce these things on people
Speaker 2: if we don't have all these people in place, and
Speaker 2: we did the science, even though they didn't do a
Speaker 2: lot of studies. People like me have said this for years.
Speaker 2: They made declarations without studies, despite what the propaganda says,
Speaker 2: and that, no matter what your position is, should be alarming. So,
Speaker 2: you know the fact that some people are resigning and
Speaker 2: being fired over that, I'm not upset. I'm actually if
Speaker 2: Trump wasn't a complete disaster in eighty other places might
Speaker 2: be starting to side with his administration over this. And
Speaker 2: in fact, that's a dangerous lesson for a lot of
Speaker 2: people who got their niche thing addressed without ever taking
Speaker 2: into account the ramifications of that or the rest of
Speaker 2: what goes on around. You know, if this place serves
Speaker 2: me a good cheeseburger, I don't care if they're raping
Speaker 2: and murdering people in the back room is almost a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, look at all the people, I mean
Speaker 1: just say in that with what you're saying, Look at
Speaker 1: all the people that voted for him, because he was
Speaker 1: going to round up all the pedophiles. He was gonna
Speaker 1: he was going to blow the you know, blow the
Speaker 1: lid off of Epstein and how it's all the Democrats
Speaker 1: and they're they're murdering children, and you know they're they're
Speaker 1: using their adrenaline and sex parties and all this. You
Speaker 1: know that that's that's it was a broad swath of
Speaker 1: people voted for him, probably for that one thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could look at the same people to all these
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to call them idiots, but
Speaker 1: you see you see this like every day when you're
Speaker 1: on YouTube, it's like another news clip of some poor
Speaker 1: you know, Hispanic voter who voted for Trump and now
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, niece is being deported, or they're
Speaker 1: being deported, or someone they love is is being rounded up.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are people that like voted for him
Speaker 1: and they were like convinced, no, no, he's going to
Speaker 1: you know, he's going to round up the drug dealers,
Speaker 1: not the you know, the guys that are you know,
Speaker 1: hanging out at home depot getting contracting work. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many of them. We're willing to
Speaker 1: look beyond what he has been saying about, you know,
Speaker 1: these evil immigrants coming in and stealing our jobs and
Speaker 1: raping everybody and stuff. And you know that you just
Speaker 1: assume no, no, no, it'll be fine, and you know it's
Speaker 1: completely working against them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's the funny thing is like there's still
Speaker 2: a look of shock. See there's two things going on
Speaker 2: that are interesting though. The look of shock on the
Speaker 2: lady who goes. I didn't think they were going to
Speaker 2: come and take Jose the ice cream man, which they did.
Speaker 2: In a couple of communities they took.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, the one in like, uh, what is it in,
Speaker 1: like Los Angeles or something, Well.
Speaker 2: There's one in LA. But there was a couple like
Speaker 2: somewhere in the Midwest too, where it was like, this
Speaker 2: is like Jose the ice cream guy. He's been around
Speaker 2: here for thirty years. He never bothered anybody, and they're like,
Speaker 2: they took that guy. And recently they also took firefighters
Speaker 2: who were fighting you know, massive wild fighters. They fires.
Speaker 2: They went to the fire department where like you have
Speaker 2: any illegal immigrants and they were like, well, you could check,
Speaker 2: but we're in the middle of fighting fires. They waited
Speaker 2: for them to go on break and took them. You know,
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound to me like the murders and rapists
Speaker 2: and you know, cartel people. But then again, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm told they are anyway, and oh well, you know,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to pay attention to that part of it.
Speaker 2: But here's here's the amazing thing. You see the individual
Speaker 2: look of horror on why did they take the maid?
Speaker 2: Why did they take the guy who sweeps the sidewalk?
Speaker 2: Why did they take the ice cream man? Why did
Speaker 2: they take your guys from home depot?
Speaker 3: Damn it?
Speaker 2: How come I can't get guys to do my field work,
Speaker 2: et cetera. You know, I wonder what these guys with
Speaker 2: the I mean, I guess there's machines now, maybe at
Speaker 2: the wineries, the vineyards in calip I don't know how
Speaker 2: that's gonna work out. But anyway, you see looks of
Speaker 2: surprise from that, and yet is there a significant drop
Speaker 2: in his support? No. See, that's the thing is that,
Speaker 2: as much as it may horrify that women they get
Speaker 2: on camera, who's willing to talk to the local newsperson
Speaker 2: standing there with their you know, phone on a stick,
Speaker 2: because that's how they send out most reporters now in
Speaker 2: most cities, by the way, here, take your phone on
Speaker 2: a stick, use your own car. We'll give you some gas. Go.
Speaker 2: That's what they do. In serious, in mid in mid
Speaker 2: and even major size cities, they don't have a cameraman
Speaker 2: at a truck anymore. Mostly they have down sized. And
Speaker 2: it's usually the you know, you got a good iPhone, Great,
Speaker 2: here's a stick so you can film yourself. Is literally
Speaker 2: what's happening. It's cheaper, way, easier, faster anyway. But that
Speaker 2: look of horror is not counterbalanced by a significant group
Speaker 2: of people disappearing. Sure, it's an example of somebody going,
Speaker 2: I can't believe this is happening. How come there's no
Speaker 2: guys at the own deepo to help me fix my cabinets?
Speaker 2: You know, holcome the ice cream man got taken away?
Speaker 2: They took firefighters. Oh my god. Yet you didn't realize
Speaker 2: how many people might have not had their paperwork straight.
Speaker 2: They were doing a lot of jobs. I get it, okay,
Speaker 2: And that is the point, or it's the liberal media
Speaker 2: trying to sell it to you. He's not really losing anything,
Speaker 2: and he's still pretty much maintaining his support. I mean,
Speaker 2: en mass. And here's the thing, even if you want
Speaker 2: to bring up this immigration thing, I got got to
Speaker 2: play this TikTok video please because and it's the audio
Speaker 2: and I think it's less than it might be a
Speaker 2: minute in something, but it's it's titled let's talk about
Speaker 2: immigration hypocrisy in the Trump family. And the reason why
Speaker 2: I bring this up is not even to attack him.
Speaker 2: I just wonder how it is that we can be
Speaker 2: morally indignant about so many things that are in our
Speaker 2: wheelhouse of issues and when it's your guy and it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, by the way, any side does this. You know,
Speaker 2: we care about family values until their guy doesn't care
Speaker 2: about family values. We care about drug problems until they
Speaker 2: find out, you know, their kids have a drug problem.
Speaker 2: We care about It's amazing. I mean, we are literally
Speaker 2: the land of hypocrisy that doesn't want to, you know,
Speaker 2: face itself. I don't know what do you even call
Speaker 2: that anymore? You know, telling the truth? I mean that's
Speaker 2: a bygone conclusion because whose truth is it? But here's
Speaker 2: this this TikTok, which yeah, obviously it's somebody who's opposed
Speaker 2: to Trump, But can you argue with the facts that
Speaker 2: are in this And even if you can argue with
Speaker 2: one or two, can you eliminate all of this interesting
Speaker 2: information about the dynamic when somebody's trying to remove if
Speaker 2: you're born here, you're a citizen. If you have this,
Speaker 2: you're a citizen. Also. Can I just take you know,
Speaker 2: people who have their citizen papers and send them to
Speaker 2: foreign countries to screw them. Uh? You know those statements,
Speaker 2: all that stuff line it up against a little bit
Speaker 2: of recent ancestral history. You know that you should be
Speaker 2: able to see on ancestry dot com regarding you know,
Speaker 2: the current president. That's all. That's the point of listen.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen, peers and see if we can
Speaker 2: learn anything from this. I'm sure you know all this,
Speaker 2: but let's see if we can learn something here. Let's
Speaker 2: see come on.
Speaker 1: The green cards for me, but not for thee.
Speaker 4: Today we're gonna roll back the tape and do a
Speaker 4: quick bick recap on first gen American Donald Trump and
Speaker 4: his immigrant family. Of course, the story begends with Grandpa Drum,
Speaker 4: German immigrant came to the US at sixteen, eventually tried
Speaker 4: to return to Germany but was deported for dodging military service.
Speaker 2: Okay, you can hear this right, yes, okay, good. I
Speaker 2: just want to make sure you could hear it clearly.
Speaker 2: And obviously we've covered you know, original drump coming to America,
Speaker 2: tried to return to Germany and was ejected from Germany
Speaker 2: because he had failed to take care of his military service,
Speaker 2: so they didn't want him back. That's by the way,
Speaker 2: I had no objection. Who knows, maybe he was a pacifist.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's a problem there. But let's just
Speaker 2: face the reality of the history. And now I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let it continue unmolested here and Pierce and I are
Speaker 2: going to listen. But I wanted to be sure Pierce
Speaker 2: could hear this because I didn't test to begin with
Speaker 2: guys forty listening. Anyway, here we go.
Speaker 4: Friedrich Drumf married another German woman and together they had
Speaker 4: Fred Donnie T's dad. Fred Trump built his fortune using
Speaker 4: government subsidies to build affordable housing. He was later investigated
Speaker 4: by the Senate for profiteering and sued by the Justice
Speaker 4: Department for racially discriminatory housing practices.
Speaker 2: Okay, a little inaccuracy there. I'm not sure how much
Speaker 2: of the government subsidized housing he actually built, but he
Speaker 2: did bring in a lot of money from government subsidies
Speaker 2: to maintain things, to install new things, to improve the
Speaker 2: government housing that he was offering up as here's my
Speaker 2: chief alternative, so I can get you know, like section
Speaker 2: eight payments, it was called something else then, I think,
Speaker 2: But either way, this was the business he was in,
Speaker 2: and that's just you know, I just point that out,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if she's entirely accurate there. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's let it continue.
Speaker 4: Fred married Mary Ann trump Done' mom. She was a
Speaker 4: poor Scottish immigrant who came to New York and worked
Speaker 4: as a maid. In a nineteen forty US census, she
Speaker 4: falsely claimed that she was a US citizen, even though
Speaker 4: records showed that she didn't become a citizen until two
Speaker 4: years later nineteen forty two.
Speaker 1: Now let's talk wives.
Speaker 4: Donni TI's first wife, Evanna, was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia.
Speaker 4: All three of their children, Eric, Ivanka, and Don Junior
Speaker 4: were all born before she was a US citizen, and
Speaker 4: despite being married to a US citizen, Donald Trump, it
Speaker 4: still took her eleven years to get her citizenship. And then,
Speaker 4: of course, his third and current wife, Milania, born in Slovenia,
Speaker 4: came on a visitor visa, worked illegally as a model,
Speaker 4: and somehow landed in Einstein visa and then used chain
Speaker 4: migration to bring her parents over. Her son, Baron, also
Speaker 4: born before she was a US citizen.
Speaker 1: So essentially, what we've learned is that.
Speaker 4: Trump's entire existence and that of his children is thanks
Speaker 4: to the very same immigration policies that he's fought so
Speaker 4: hard to destroy. So next time somebody says come the
Speaker 4: right way, ask them if that also includes the Trump family.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So I do find that an interesting question, right,
Speaker 2: because according to a lot of things that have been argued, supported,
Speaker 2: demanded as of late by the president, is you know, acolytes,
Speaker 2: his sick offhants and the rest of the people that
Speaker 2: show up at rallies. You know, seems to me like
Speaker 2: most of his family, ex wives, everybody should have been
Speaker 2: deported at certain points here, you know, and maybe he
Speaker 2: doesn't belong here. Oh, by the way, does that mean
Speaker 2: he shouldn't be president? I mean, I'm just questioning. So really,
Speaker 2: if you follow the chain, now, I don't agree with
Speaker 2: any of that. By the way, I think that if
Speaker 2: you're born here, as I've understood it, that's your citizen.
Speaker 2: They change the law or change up the constitution after that,
Speaker 2: you know, there's this thing called a grandfather clause where
Speaker 2: you know, that's the way the law was before. When
Speaker 2: you did this thing, we can't rewind to go. They
Speaker 2: changed the law, so now we got to punish you
Speaker 2: for a crime. Now we have to deport you because
Speaker 2: you're not I think that's the way the law works.
Speaker 2: But then again, I'm crazy. So you know, there's a
Speaker 2: logic there that if you try and present this to
Speaker 2: somebody who is all in, they just, you know, completely
Speaker 2: spit it. It's sort of like throwing a cat onto
Speaker 2: a table when you're trying to build a house of cards.
Speaker 2: You know, they might not be interested in that house
Speaker 2: of cards, but that house card is going to fall
Speaker 2: if you throw that cat on the table. And that's
Speaker 2: what they do to your logical argument. That's what they
Speaker 2: do to their own arguments. That's what happens to everything.
Speaker 2: And at the end of it, you're just happy the
Speaker 2: cat didn't scratch you. I mean, that's literally the metaphorum
Speaker 2: looking for you here. Maybe I'm again out of line,
Speaker 2: and I'm not even trying to be against the guy.
Speaker 2: In fact, today would be a good day for me
Speaker 2: to be for the Trump administration because of the action
Speaker 2: at the CDC. I mean, I could pick out that
Speaker 2: and I could say, finally, somebody's doing the things and
Speaker 2: saying some of the things, including we're one of the
Speaker 2: most medicated populations on the planet and yet we're still
Speaker 2: very sick. Something doesn't make sense here. Bobby Kennedy was
Speaker 2: saying that today and has said that many times, and
Speaker 2: that's a sentence that comes out of my mouth almost
Speaker 2: similar one often. So somebody who is actually enacting my
Speaker 2: will under the Trump administration, I'm still concerned as to
Speaker 2: what the price of that is going to be. And
Speaker 2: even though it may be a nice little victory here
Speaker 2: or there, you know, I always have this sneaking suspicion
Speaker 2: that when they give you something nice, you know, there
Speaker 2: are certain people that only give you something to either
Speaker 2: a get something or to distract you from something there
Speaker 2: taking from you, and they give you a little prize,
Speaker 2: you know, when somebody's house burns down and they show
Speaker 2: up with a sandwich. Yes, you're grateful for the sandwich,
Speaker 2: but if the same person who gave you the sandwich
Speaker 2: burned your house down, you're thinking maybe you lost in
Speaker 2: that equation. Just saying, but I know, none of that
Speaker 2: makes any sense, Piers. Maybe that's your thoughts for later.
Speaker 2: But when we look at this Maxwell slash Epstein situation,
Speaker 2: I have that same feeling. You know, here we go,
Speaker 2: we're not going to give you much, but by the
Speaker 2: time we do. Maybe it's my experience with the JFK
Speaker 2: stuff that's done this to me. You know, by the
Speaker 2: time they give you something, they've already stolen ten things,
Speaker 2: They've already declined to prosecute certain people, they've already removed
Speaker 2: people from the list in quotes, they've already so, you know,
Speaker 2: and the spin is happening. I think incrementally it's going
Speaker 2: to get cushed and over time, this outrage it's not
Speaker 2: even going to put a dent in his popularity and
Speaker 2: his efforts to maybe even take a third term, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, according to the Constitution. You know, that
Speaker 2: thing I thought wasn't even a question, But everything is
Speaker 2: now questionable, depending on what you want the answer to
Speaker 2: be anymore in America. That's the new reality in which
Speaker 2: we find ourselves, which is why I figure not only
Speaker 2: is his positive media going to quash it, but his
Speaker 2: alleged opposite, you know, the media that's allegedly in opposition
Speaker 2: to him, is going to let it fade. I think
Speaker 2: they're already doing it. It's not at the top of
Speaker 2: the headlines anymore, Piers not mostly. But then again, here's
Speaker 2: the version your algorithms. Your algorithms may vary goohd no, No,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: That's true too. I mean, you know, what, what I'm
Speaker 1: looking at when I google it is probably different than
Speaker 1: what you know everyone else is seeing when they google it.
Speaker 1: It's listening. But I think I still, I still believe
Speaker 1: this has serious traction, and I think it might be
Speaker 1: going away among certain aspects or certain swaths of his
Speaker 1: supporters and stuff are willing to kind of turn a
Speaker 1: blind eye and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But I.
Speaker 1: Still think that I'm fairly certain he won't pardon Maxwell.
Speaker 1: But even that seems like, I don't know, maybe he will,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I would like to think that
Speaker 1: that is like a red line that even he won't cross.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he would explain that. But the
Speaker 1: fact that that's even being floated, that he's even floating it,
Speaker 1: is shocking, and I think that that's shocking to people.
Speaker 1: But I still think that there are now so many
Speaker 1: eyeballs on it that weren't previously, And I think there
Speaker 1: are people that are that we're sitting on stories like
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, CNN, others like that,
Speaker 1: and they now see an opening and I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: more of that. I don't think that it's necessary, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, there is no smoking gun. There's not going
Speaker 1: to be a you know, video that's going to come
Speaker 1: out that definitively proves that, you know, Trump was with
Speaker 1: Epstein partying and having sex with you know, underage individuals.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's ever going to come out. But
Speaker 1: I think that this has the potential to really unravel
Speaker 1: the administration. And I still think that at this moment
Speaker 1: right now, he is so the administration has become so insular,
Speaker 1: and now it's like he's kind of he's stuck. He
Speaker 1: can't replace any of these people. He can't get rid
Speaker 1: of Bondie, he can't get rid of Ptellit, he can't
Speaker 1: get rid of Bongino, you know, all these Todd Blanche
Speaker 1: and others. I mean, And in some ways you could think, oh, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just sort of strengthening it. But in other ways,
Speaker 1: I think it really kind of like it locks him
Speaker 1: in and now these people also have power over him.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't get rid of me, because if
Speaker 1: you get rid of me, I'll, you know, I'll leak
Speaker 1: such and such a story. And I still think that
Speaker 1: also that this particular story is so vast and far reaching.
Speaker 1: There are so many people involved in this, and it
Speaker 1: is it is an event or you know, a period
Speaker 1: of time that has never I don't think that people
Speaker 1: have ever really been able to control the narrative at times,
Speaker 1: people on the left, people on the right, they've been
Speaker 1: able to kind of control it to an extent. You know,
Speaker 1: it's all Bill Clinton. No, it's all Donald Trump, you know,
Speaker 1: those sort of looking at through everything in these sort
Speaker 1: of political lenses. But I think more people are beginning
Speaker 1: to see that there are victims involved in this. There
Speaker 1: are people that want to know there are there's more
Speaker 1: at stake than this, and I think that none of
Speaker 1: them really have a sense of how powerful this is. Now.
Speaker 1: It's it's completely possible too on the you know that
Speaker 1: because so many people are involved in this, will never
Speaker 1: really know to somehow it will get, you know, quashed.
Speaker 1: But I think that even if it does get quashed
Speaker 1: like that, enough people will will understand and will remember
Speaker 1: why is that, you know, I mean just just thinking
Speaker 1: you know about this before and then you know, when
Speaker 1: you were talking about you know, CNN, and then the
Speaker 1: true sort of like puppet masters there. This was something
Speaker 1: that I didn't know until you know, a few days
Speaker 1: ago or today actually is that you know, Bill Gates
Speaker 1: has been meeting with Donald Trump in the White House.
Speaker 1: They would have these private now and I really really
Speaker 1: doubt that they were talking about Gates, you know, global
Speaker 1: health initiatives. I'm sure they were talking about Epstein and
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were talking about Epstein when they had
Speaker 1: this private dinner, you know, before he was inaugurated. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's that kind of stuck you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: which you could look at that and be like, nothing
Speaker 1: is going to come out because if Bill Gates and
Speaker 1: Donald Trump can agree on one thing, and it's that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I really do think that
Speaker 1: there are so many more eyeballs on this. There are
Speaker 1: more people that are speaking out about this, even you know,
Speaker 1: people that had like Maria Farmer, who and maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but I you know, before all of this came out,
Speaker 1: I don't believe she ever spoke really negatively about Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And now she is she is telling people about you know,
Speaker 1: stories when you know, going to Epstein's office in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night and seeing Donald Trump there and
Speaker 1: Epstein telling her no that you know, she's not for you,
Speaker 1: or something to that effect.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There, here's here's the issue I have with what
Speaker 2: you're saying. And look, you're my friend. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to destroy you, Okay, I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: even debate you full on. I just offer some counterpoints.
Speaker 2: And here's the problem with this idea of well, he
Speaker 2: can't get rid of BONDI and you can't get rid
Speaker 2: of bond Gino. I think that's bs. And here's why
Speaker 2: in order to you know, leverage somebody with that kind
Speaker 2: of information in order to perform blackmail. Let's remove all
Speaker 2: of the issues from this, except that in order to
Speaker 2: blackmail somebody, in order to leverage somebody with information, right,
Speaker 2: you have to be able to identify that is, you know, valuable.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to access it and control it, okay,
Speaker 2: and then you have to be able to communicate to
Speaker 2: your mark that you have the ability. And a lot
Speaker 2: of people get to that part and they can communicate
Speaker 2: the threat or the ability. I mean, you know, Elon
Speaker 2: Musk communicate it a threat on Twitter and then changes
Speaker 2: his mind about it. You know, Trump is in the
Speaker 2: epstet piles. I'm sorry, I was angry. Yeah, I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: Bondi and Bongino could communicate that threat. But the level
Speaker 2: of competence it would require to identify, capture, and then
Speaker 2: control information in order to successfully utilize it as leverage
Speaker 2: requires a level of competence that I think these characters
Speaker 2: that you think are locked in do not possess, and
Speaker 2: you know, evident by making public statements that make you
Speaker 2: look like a fool. Uh, you know, regarding he's ready
Speaker 2: to quit, you know how many months ago now Longino,
Speaker 2: he's ready to quit over this?
Speaker 1: No, No, I agree, I agree. I think that they I
Speaker 1: mean I think that if anything, it just illustrates that
Speaker 1: the I mean, how incompetent. Yeah, they are as an
Speaker 1: administrat you know. And it's so funny too because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna do, you know, destroy the deep state,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, best case scenario, they're completely incompetent.
Speaker 1: They can't even crisis manage this story. So I don't
Speaker 1: know how they're gonna take on the deep state, and
Speaker 1: then it's like, you know, worst case scenario, this is
Speaker 1: the deep state. This is how incompetent they are, you know,
Speaker 1: this is like this is well, these are the front
Speaker 1: the best that they can offer.
Speaker 2: These are the front men and the secondary front man.
Speaker 2: Because reality is different. Look, never forget that he had
Speaker 2: to get rid of Komy, even though Komi had successfully
Speaker 2: put out information right before an election that he won
Speaker 2: that undermined you know, Hillary, which I you know, I
Speaker 2: still say to this day, the CIA could not have
Speaker 2: even convincingly, uh, you know, stolen that election for her
Speaker 2: in public. But you know, so that's why we got
Speaker 2: Trump in the first place. But remember this, He replaced
Speaker 2: Komi and got Christopher Ray in there because that was
Speaker 2: his guy, and he seemed to be doing his bidding.
Speaker 2: He seemed to be doing a lot of stuff. And
Speaker 2: then eventually Christopher Ray is actually an enemy of these
Speaker 2: other people.
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Speaker 2: So we returned from a quick break. There little technical issue,
Speaker 2: but I was in the midst of talking about Christopher
Speaker 2: Ray and the changeover from He's Trump's guy to replace
Speaker 2: call me too, he's part of the deep state, but
Speaker 2: also recognized that John Bolton had to be removed. Uh
Speaker 2: and then he was no longer a good guy, and
Speaker 2: he was on a media tour, and then he put
Speaker 2: out a book, and then recently they raided his house.
Speaker 2: So you go from being I know, the best people
Speaker 2: to your an enemy of the state. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like these guys' behaviors changed.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, you know, Bondi Bongino, I mean, what,
Speaker 2: they're not eligible for the John Bolton or the Christopher
Speaker 2: Ray treatment appears. I mean, that's my objection, and I
Speaker 2: turn it to you with that.
Speaker 1: I think you're I think it's a valid point, and
Speaker 1: I think that it's totally possible, especially with someone as
Speaker 1: mercurial as Trump. He could turn on a dime, obviously,
Speaker 1: and he does every day.
Speaker 2: And he's transactional He's transactional always, so you know, remember
Speaker 2: that it's about the last transaction. What have you done
Speaker 2: for me lately? They might have said in the eighties,
Speaker 2: but you know, here, here we go.
Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, No, No, I mean I think that,
Speaker 1: but maybe I'm wrong. I might be I might be
Speaker 1: over estimating this, But I think that when it comes
Speaker 1: to this particular issue, the Epstein stuff, this child trafficking, pedophilia,
Speaker 1: this hits with his base in a way that almost
Speaker 1: nothing else does. And and it was interesting we were
Speaker 1: talking earlier about these you know, these poor people that
Speaker 1: are getting uh, you know, rounded up by ice and
Speaker 1: they're being you know, rendered to different prisons across the
Speaker 1: United States or being sent you know to El Salvador
Speaker 1: or Mexico or you know, and then sometimes places they're
Speaker 1: not even actually from. And that that makes you know,
Speaker 1: some people that vote for oh, I can't believe they
Speaker 1: you know, they got rid of this guy who was
Speaker 1: his beloved ice cream man and blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a blip, and it kind of
Speaker 1: like leaves. But and that's like someone that they might
Speaker 1: actually have a personal relationship with. Yet there's all of
Speaker 1: these these kind of faceless, nameless victims out there that
Speaker 1: you know mean everything to these people. And it's funny
Speaker 1: because even even the actual like victims that are involved
Speaker 1: in this, like you know, Jeffree who's no longer with us,
Speaker 1: Maria Farmer, Courtney Wild, Sarah Ransom, you know, so these
Speaker 1: people that are their names have come out. I mean,
Speaker 1: to them, they don't even really like see those people,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's it's all the all the girls,
Speaker 1: all the women, you know, Epstein, They're just they're they're
Speaker 1: doing all somehow that this amorphous group of people they
Speaker 1: can't really name that means everything to them. And I
Speaker 1: think there is some power there, and I think that
Speaker 1: they the for me, at least the number of people
Speaker 1: that voted for him based on that. I don't think
Speaker 1: that he can just turn that off and convince them no.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. To me, I think it's just
Speaker 1: true he could totally turn on these people like Bondi
Speaker 1: and others. And I think it's interesting that someone like
Speaker 1: Bolton does does have a little bit of juice enough
Speaker 1: to go on CNN and be like he's an idiot
Speaker 1: to write a book, and you see the response to
Speaker 1: that is that they're raiding his house and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's keeping national security secrets and he's
Speaker 1: being removed from the you know, his CIA daily briefings
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But I think Bolton
Speaker 1: has enough juice to you know, for him, it's like okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: like let's let's do it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a Neocon these Neocon royalty.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't think he's gonna like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that Bolton is and it suddenly just stop.
Speaker 1: But and I do think that he could turn on
Speaker 1: these other people, but I think that if he does,
Speaker 1: I do think his base is going to have a reaction.
Speaker 1: And I think that he's he's trying his best to
Speaker 1: tiptoe around it and to manage it, and in some
Speaker 1: respects it is working because I think you are right,
Speaker 1: the kind of like magnifying glass on this is maybe
Speaker 1: not as powerful as it was a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: but it's not going away. Johnson's attempts to make it disappear,
Speaker 1: you know, at the summer recess, I mean it's completely meaningless.
Speaker 1: They're going to come back and they're going to vote
Speaker 1: on this. There's already a committee that is subpoenaing all
Speaker 1: sorts of people, including Acosta, And I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to end with this one committee hearing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it. I don't think it
Speaker 1: has the power to like take down the presidency the
Speaker 1: way that some people in the media that dislike him
Speaker 1: might think. But for me, at least, the fact that
Speaker 1: there will never be a history book written that doesn't
Speaker 1: have to have a chapter on this that I think
Speaker 1: is like a pretty big blow to someone like Trump.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what drives him. It's not, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not what the media thinks about him. It's the
Speaker 1: fact that this is going to be in the history books.
Speaker 1: There's no way to avoid this. And I do think
Speaker 1: that there now you're beginning to see not like cracks
Speaker 1: in this, but he has said this is all made up,
Speaker 1: it's none of it's real. Maxwell is saying none of
Speaker 1: this is real. And then you have people like Brad Edwards,
Speaker 1: who he was, you know, an attorney for that represented
Speaker 1: many of the victims, he's saying, who has actually been
Speaker 1: favorable to Trump, but he's always said that Trump cooperated
Speaker 1: with him. Trump was willing to go on the record
Speaker 1: with him. You know when when Courtney Wilde was one
Speaker 1: of his clients, was suing Epstein, So you know, Trump
Speaker 1: is one that was you know at the time he
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to Edwards. Okay, okay, any thing I
Speaker 1: know about Epstein.
Speaker 2: I now have to interrupt you, because, first of all,
Speaker 2: if you examine the way that Trump has handled depositions
Speaker 2: and lawsuits in the past, you know that's not going
Speaker 2: to be a productive deposition no matter what you're looking for,
Speaker 2: because that is.
Speaker 1: His and I think it's BS two. And in fact,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a deposition he did. They did not.
Speaker 1: I don't think they truly subpoenaed him. He spoke just
Speaker 1: on the record to him. He's just like talked on
Speaker 1: the phone. But even worse, there was no deposition.
Speaker 2: Even worse because when he's in an adversarial position with
Speaker 2: lawyers actually questioning him, it gets really strange. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can look at any of the released stuff from
Speaker 2: you know, various lawsuits against whether it's Trump University or
Speaker 2: it's you know, the sex assault you know deal, It
Speaker 2: is such a nightmare of this guy is actually skilled
Speaker 2: in making sure you get nothing done when it comes
Speaker 2: to trying to depose him. So no matter what methodology,
Speaker 2: how loose it is, how committed it is, how legal
Speaker 2: and lawful it is, how much on the record, it's
Speaker 2: all irrelevant. One. Two here's another thing that just amazes me.
Speaker 2: See this will have to be in the history, but
Speaker 2: you're forgetting something. The people that were with him on
Speaker 2: the He's going to get the pedophiles thing were with
Speaker 2: him in twenty fifteen. They witnessed what happened with Epstein.
Speaker 2: They witnessed the suicide, which they questioned. They witnessed all
Speaker 2: of that. Then he left office and Maxwell was taken
Speaker 2: in while Biden was in office. If you listen to
Speaker 2: those people now about the history, they're fully willing to
Speaker 2: accept that Epstein committed suicide under no I know, I know.
Speaker 2: So the adjustment of the timeline is like these people
Speaker 2: that argue Mandela effect with me, it's just nope, it
Speaker 2: was this way, but it wasn't yes, it was what
Speaker 2: do you do with that? So the acceptable history that
Speaker 2: could be written out of this. And I talked to
Speaker 2: Larry Hancock last night about how history is being manipulated
Speaker 2: and politicized, and this is exactly the kind of thing
Speaker 2: that's going to create false histories, and people are celebrating
Speaker 2: over false histories that claim to want the truth the history.
Speaker 2: This is where we're at. So I gotta tell you
Speaker 2: your point doesn't stand very well with me considering what
Speaker 2: I'm watching happen in real time. I mean, it's like
Speaker 2: they blame stuff on Obama when he's not even in office.
Speaker 2: They say, well, you had control from the outside. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have no way of stopping the intellectual contortions of
Speaker 2: those that will change the timeline, change the power dynamic
Speaker 2: change who was responsible? And they're also fully on board
Speaker 2: with that wind of change there. When Bolton was brought
Speaker 2: in by Trump, he's a great guy. When Trump rejected him,
Speaker 2: no longer, I need to grow up.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I think again, that's a valid point,
Speaker 1: and I think that those people are too far gone.
Speaker 1: They are you know, these are the equivalent of you know,
Speaker 1: Trump's own sort of sea Org with these individuals.
Speaker 2: They're they're they're so.
Speaker 1: Immeshed in his culture personality. But I mean, you're never
Speaker 1: going to really convince. I mean, again, they could see
Speaker 1: a video of Trump with Epstein and doing god knows
Speaker 1: what and it would be fake, right, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean everything is already fake. But I I mean those people,
Speaker 1: you're never gonna convince it one way or the other.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they would be willing to turn
Speaker 1: on their own family members, and some of them, I
Speaker 1: think do because of that. But I do think that
Speaker 1: there are enough people. I think there are still people
Speaker 1: that are on the fence. I think there are people
Speaker 1: that were more recently conned by him, and he's utilized
Speaker 1: those people, and those are the people that I think
Speaker 1: he's pissed that he's losing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but see, here's the thing about that hardcore group
Speaker 2: that you were talking about will never leave him and
Speaker 2: the barnacles you know, on the bottom of the whale
Speaker 2: or whatever. Here's the deal with that. Though a lot
Speaker 2: of them have podcasts, a lot and a lot of
Speaker 2: them have if they don't have that, they're popular on
Speaker 2: social media. They have platforms one way or another, and
Speaker 2: if they didn't have one, they could go get one
Speaker 2: untruth social So the thing is it's not just about
Speaker 2: them and that percentage. It's about the influen that has
Speaker 2: continued to give reasonable doubt to those that wish to
Speaker 2: believe and given cover to those that insist on believing
Speaker 2: that are out there that are not speaking out. That's
Speaker 2: what's maintaining his numbers. And I think everybody is underestimating that.
Speaker 2: I really do, because these are the people that have
Speaker 2: stuck with him. When he said I didn't know the guy,
Speaker 2: then video comes out, Well, I was around him some
Speaker 2: you know, we lived in the same neighborhood. What are
Speaker 2: you going to do? Yeah, okay, but you know, every
Speaker 2: excuse is acceptable unless you're somebody I don't like that.
Speaker 2: None of your excuses are acceptable. Matter of fact, there's
Speaker 2: a cover up, and your excuses represent something else.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's literally that weird strategy of not only am I
Speaker 2: going to deny what you're accusing me of, but I'm
Speaker 2: now going to accuse you of it. And I don't
Speaker 2: know what that is called. Necessarily there's a term for
Speaker 2: it that I can't think of, but it's a real
Speaker 2: thing and it's working think so, you know, and maybe
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent, maybe not even more than thirty
Speaker 2: five percent, but it's working enough to create the coalition,
Speaker 2: and the other part of that coalition could be I
Speaker 2: don't like any of the stuff he does or says
Speaker 2: but he's doing what I want, you know, the camp
Speaker 2: that I could fall into and what.
Speaker 1: I said, Yes, I'm just saying I think a lot
Speaker 1: willing to.
Speaker 2: But if you stitch these things together, that's a majority.
Speaker 2: That's what's happening in my mind. And I think this again, incrementally,
Speaker 2: it's going to get quashed and then the way the
Speaker 2: history will be written is going to be determined by
Speaker 2: a whole lot of things, because they're going to have
Speaker 2: to say, look, the president said this at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, doesn't matter if he's a pathological war
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if he switches, you know, based on well,
Speaker 2: why does that guy you know, literally I watched him
Speaker 2: recently go when they say what do you think about
Speaker 2: what this guy said? And he goes, does that guy
Speaker 2: like me or not? Like? Literally, that's part of what
Speaker 2: it's based on for him at that level, but it
Speaker 2: represents something else to these other people. They're not just
Speaker 2: against Trump, they're against America. And there were people always
Speaker 2: like that that said you can't talk about the president.
Speaker 2: I mean you were alive for Bush Junior, for sure.
Speaker 2: You remember you talk about the president. Boy, you were
Speaker 2: talking against America. What are you with the terrorists. That
Speaker 2: is still there, except now it's what are you against Trump?
Speaker 2: You're against America. You must be with the democrats, the terrorists,
Speaker 2: the pedophiles. You're with that. And that's the real thing.
Speaker 2: There are people that see that's a straight face, not like,
Speaker 2: are you trying to make a ridiculous argument. I mean,
Speaker 2: the weirdest thing I saw. I got a guy to
Speaker 2: take down a YouTube video which I was totally shocked at,
Speaker 2: and maybe it came from other places and I'm just
Speaker 2: thinking too big about the comments I threw at him.
Speaker 2: But this moron was trying to Edward j Epstein, the
Speaker 2: you know, suspect critic of the Kennedy assassination, one of
Speaker 2: the first ones who seemed to be, you know, constantly undermining,
Speaker 2: you know, legitimate questions against the official story, even though
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be a critic of the official story.
Speaker 2: That guy who did a whole bunch of weird stuff,
Speaker 2: and I'm convinced was an intelligence asset. Edward j Epstein.
Speaker 2: This guy was wondering aloud on his YouTube channel how
Speaker 2: that guy who wrote books on JFK still looked so
Speaker 2: good in the nineties and the early two thousands, when
Speaker 2: he was a sex trafficker because it's Jay Epstein, you see, right?
Speaker 2: And I went, you know, is this a joke? Because
Speaker 2: you are playing the straight man way too well and
Speaker 2: you do realize these are two entirely different human beings
Speaker 2: that simply share a last name, which I'm not saying.
Speaker 2: I know they're related or not, but you obviously don't
Speaker 2: know either, and you're relating this guy being a critic
Speaker 2: of the Kennedys. How do you even get there? Is
Speaker 2: this a joke? And a couple of days later the
Speaker 2: YouTube video disappeared, but it was funny because he's got
Speaker 2: a following. I'm not gonna even give his name. I
Speaker 2: don't even remember it off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: But either way, this guy is one of those social
Speaker 2: commentator guys out there who is on the MAGA side
Speaker 2: for sure, but was asking that question. So you know,
Speaker 2: how many stupid things can they throw at the wall
Speaker 2: before you get lost in their stupid things and forget
Speaker 2: about the core issue? Is my major question? So you know,
Speaker 2: here we go. How is this going to be written?
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but I don't see it affecting
Speaker 2: him at all, and I don't see it affecting him
Speaker 2: in the long term or his legacy or any of that.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you the final word on this, Pier,
Speaker 2: because I held you a little longer, but we got disconnected,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And next time we talk, I really want
Speaker 2: to talk about South Park, just saying because there's there's
Speaker 2: something weird going on there too, boys and girls, and
Speaker 2: you know, obviously go over to Porkins Policy Review dot
Speaker 2: com check out his archive on Epstein. You could probably
Speaker 2: learn a hell of a lot more than you will
Speaker 2: from reading any of the current stuff or any of
Speaker 2: the propaganda related to it. How about the core issues
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, it was the alternative media
Speaker 2: picked up on this first, the actual alternative media, and
Speaker 2: then it was hijacked by the right wing all media,
Speaker 2: and then it became a thing, and now it is
Speaker 2: a mainstream I mean, you would think that people like
Speaker 2: myself and Pierce would see this as a victory. And
Speaker 2: there are some people out there that are claiming that,
Speaker 2: which is funny, even though they sit in somewhere in
Speaker 2: Central or South America and never go anywhere and seem to,
Speaker 2: you know, be proclaimed as the greatest journalists ever. I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about anybody in particular, am I anyway? You know,
Speaker 2: and your book sales do well when nobody buys books.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just you know, it remarkable anyway, and
Speaker 2: that was a couple of people. Now I just shot fired,
Speaker 2: you know, warning shots at But anyway, perce, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is not so unique, and yet maybe it is
Speaker 2: a little and I think it's just going to disappear
Speaker 2: down the memory hole along with everything else. I mean,
Speaker 2: in the past less than nine months, we've had Trump
Speaker 2: bomb Iran. Okay, literally, you know, tell people that no
Speaker 2: matter what Israel does, it's okay, screw Ukraine if the
Speaker 2: guy can't wear the right clothes and say thank you enough. Uh.
Speaker 2: And all of that has happened in less than nine months,
Speaker 2: along with the big beautiful bill, the various tariffs that
Speaker 2: you know, he claims is making great progress for everybody,
Speaker 2: even though your prices are still up all over the place,
Speaker 2: but he says eggs and gas are down. All of
Speaker 2: this has happened in nine month once. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't really see his support wavering. Matter of fact,
Speaker 2: you know, sitting here in Georgia, and maybe it's because
Speaker 2: I am in a truly red state. You know, even
Speaker 2: though people can play bulled, Lada's not read road blueoo Democrats,
Speaker 2: And yet that doesn't account for the whole rest of
Speaker 2: the state that is controlled top to bottom by the GOP.
Speaker 2: But you know, maybe it's just because I'm sitting here,
Speaker 2: and I'm even sitting in an allegedly liberal area. They're
Speaker 2: all for everything he's doing. And they've announced that recently
Speaker 2: we're going to see more ICE activity here, just like
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and everywhere else. Get ready for that
Speaker 2: ice is going to be in your face in your
Speaker 2: community locally. They're making sure to let us know that,
Speaker 2: you know, same time they're going to Chicago and everywhere else.
Speaker 2: That couldn't be a coordinated agenda, couldn't. Anyway, I don't
Speaker 2: even know of that many, you know, people that could
Speaker 2: even be potentially illegals around here. There are a handful,
Speaker 2: But you know, Georgia I don't think is the hottest
Speaker 2: bed of it. But maybe it's. Maybe maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: and they'll pull out another one hundred thousand from here, Pierce,
Speaker 2: But in real time, I think we're losing the thread
Speaker 2: on this and we're gonna lose the fight and they're
Speaker 2: going to bury something that you know, people like you
Speaker 2: and me said should be brought to the light, and
Speaker 2: they brought it to the light. But now they're going
Speaker 2: to pull the rug right out from under the lamp.
Speaker 2: I think, But maybe I'm wrong. What's what's your way
Speaker 2: of closing this one out?
Speaker 1: Well? I think maybe I'm just trying to be more
Speaker 1: optimistic in a very pessimistic and sort of negative environment
Speaker 1: that we all find ourselves in. But and I think
Speaker 1: that what you're saying is is absolutely true and valid,
Speaker 1: and I think that it can certainly go that way.
Speaker 1: But I still tend to maintain some hope that this
Speaker 1: story is too difficult to control, and I think that
Speaker 1: there will be more that will come out. It's not
Speaker 1: going to be I think what we all are hoping for.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no client list, there's a smoking gun,
Speaker 1: something like that video evidence. But I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to completely go away. I think it's going to
Speaker 1: make it harder just in a you know, on a
Speaker 1: kind of like personal level for him. I don't know
Speaker 1: that it's in an impact policy, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I'm just I just tend to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more optimistic. Maybe I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: quite the right word regarding this, but I think that
Speaker 1: I think the fact that it's even still an issue
Speaker 1: now it is evidence of the power that it has.
Speaker 1: And I think that while certainly his most ardent devotees
Speaker 1: are have really demonstrated the lengths they're willing to go,
Speaker 1: oh I'm not, I do wonder if they're I mean,
Speaker 1: Jeffree's memoir is going to be coming out soon. Her
Speaker 1: family has been, you know, speaking out a lot about
Speaker 1: this and speaking out about these weird meetings with Maxwell
Speaker 1: and others, and I do I do wonder if at
Speaker 1: some point there will be you know, enough pressure there
Speaker 1: will become this sort of you know, the these sort
Speaker 1: of drips and drabs that are coming. There will be
Speaker 1: enough that more will begin to come out, and it
Speaker 1: will be really hard to control the narrative and and
Speaker 1: of course they will probably just lie, deny it was
Speaker 1: the other people, It wasn't me, This is all fabricated.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: For me, I think there there might be a breaking
Speaker 1: point where where people are because you know, I think
Speaker 1: that sometimes it's it's really easy to kind of view
Speaker 1: this world we live in where you know, all of
Speaker 1: his supporters are cult members, and cult members have no
Speaker 1: free will. They're completely you know, we use this term
Speaker 1: like brainwashed all the time. Other brainwashed. You can't you
Speaker 1: can't undo that. You know, they're crazy, my you know,
Speaker 1: friends and relatives and all that. You know, they've completely
Speaker 1: gone over and I can't speak to them. And so
Speaker 1: and I think that there's no cult that that operates
Speaker 1: like that. There's that's impossible. You cannot control people to
Speaker 1: that degree every single day of their life. I mean,
Speaker 1: even people deep in high control groups always have doubts.
Speaker 1: That's you know, I mean that that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: like that that that can be part of the kind
Speaker 1: of pull and push and the control, but there's always doubts.
Speaker 1: And I think that we don't know the level to which.
Speaker 2: This can be.
Speaker 1: Pushed to where these people are going to really begin
Speaker 1: to doubt, you know, the leader, the guru. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe that is is being a little bit
Speaker 1: too optimistic, but that's that's just how I view this.
Speaker 1: I I tend to think that there is an upper
Speaker 1: limit to this. And you know, you can't fool all
Speaker 1: the people all the time. That's that's sort of how
Speaker 1: I tend to look at this, but I might be
Speaker 1: completely wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, again, it's still my basic counterpoint. You
Speaker 2: don't have to pool all the people, you know, all
Speaker 2: you have to do is have a Any revolution is
Speaker 2: not based on a majority. You know, a lot of
Speaker 2: people think that revolutions changes for the better or for
Speaker 2: the worse, or based on a majority of people decide No,
Speaker 2: there's a small minority that sticks to it, and through fear,
Speaker 2: they have a bubble of people they influence. Through convenience,
Speaker 2: they have a bubble of people they influence. And that's
Speaker 2: how that majority is built. Not all for the core
Speaker 2: of the people that believe it, but you know, the
Speaker 2: people that are bending their knees in the corporate world,
Speaker 2: the people that are literally making the payments to the
Speaker 2: Trump Presidential Library, the people that are paying the fines
Speaker 2: and turning around because they want to be able to
Speaker 2: sell their company, the people that are et cetera. This
Speaker 2: is what we're at. You know, even the you know,
Speaker 2: the supported comedians are honest to this and that they're
Speaker 2: doing a Saudi Arabian event. Now you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: This is transactional and reveals the real ugly about how
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't have principles, but they will
Speaker 2: act like they do, you know, and they're just looking
Speaker 2: for a new leader. That's all they're ever doing. So
Speaker 2: this is one of the time and I think somebody
Speaker 2: who is managing this for him, not him directly, I
Speaker 2: mean he knows how to, you know, just act as though.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's that that guy that gets away with it.
Speaker 2: You ever see somebody in a store, in a movie
Speaker 2: theater or whatever who gets away with doing something and
Speaker 2: you literally look at it and you go, how the
Speaker 2: hell did that happen? One hundred people could have tried
Speaker 2: that and would have never gotten away with it. You know,
Speaker 2: the guy that gets his food free at the restaurant
Speaker 2: because he made the right complaint to the right person,
Speaker 2: and consistently, that guy does that because that's how he lives.
Speaker 2: You know, the guy that paid seventy five percent of
Speaker 2: what he could or sixty percent of what he had
Speaker 2: to to get work done, and then turned around and
Speaker 2: failed to finish paying it off and then said sue
Speaker 2: me and then paid, you know, fifteen percent more of
Speaker 2: what he should have paid initially. He ends up with
Speaker 2: a fifteen percent discount across the board on the whole project.
Speaker 2: And I am talking about Trump and I am talking
Speaker 2: about Atlantic City. Now right, this is the way it's done.
Speaker 2: He's got a discount that he builds in through resistance,
Speaker 2: and fine, take me to court. I got all kinds
Speaker 2: of lawsuits. I don't care. I got lawyers that are
Speaker 2: on the car all the time. I don't pay them either.
Speaker 2: You know, it is amazing. So I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think that we weren't all prepared for this, the majority
Speaker 2: of us. So anyway, maybe I'm the pessimist and Pierce
Speaker 2: is the optimist. Judge for yourselves, but go to Porkins
Speaker 2: Policy review dot com. Check out Pierce. I don't know
Speaker 2: how much you tweet anymore, but maybe I'll put your
Speaker 2: Twitter profile link in the show notes. Anyway, you know,
Speaker 2: contact Piers, question them, ask him, you know, whatever it
Speaker 2: is you want to do. He'll handle it his way.
Speaker 2: And we haven't seen any new podcasts lately, but life
Speaker 2: sometimes gets in the way, and I'm kind of glad
Speaker 2: it has for you actually, So you know, I hope
Speaker 2: that you have enjoyed these guys and appears anything you
Speaker 2: want to say in closing. Ope, I guess I either
Speaker 2: lost them or something. All right, revel like sorry travel like,
Speaker 2: oh okay, I paused my music. Sorry you weren't there.
Speaker 2: I thought maybe I lost you.
Speaker 1: No, I just I just muted my microphone for some reason.
Speaker 1: So no, I didn't know. Nothing much else to add
Speaker 1: just other than this. I just am fascinated that this
Speaker 1: story has taken on the scope that it has, and
Speaker 1: it is just really it's amazing that something that was
Speaker 1: so kind of niche to me and other people and now,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're like I was sitting on the
Speaker 1: train the other day and like looked over and it's
Speaker 1: someone I was like watching some stupid YouTube, you know,
Speaker 1: all media influencer podcast talking about Epstein and I did.
Speaker 1: That is just amazing. The reach that this story has
Speaker 1: continue to have. And I think it's just because it's
Speaker 1: such a fascinating story. And again, as I said, I
Speaker 1: think it's really hard to control it. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: would just continue to kind of to look at it,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and hopefully I might have some stuff on
Speaker 1: this on my show, some new material as well.
Speaker 2: Excellent. Look, you know, you know you've crossed over when
Speaker 2: we went from four or five podcasters literally in the
Speaker 2: English speaking world talking about this some years back to
Speaker 2: you know. Now it's everywhere and literally you can find
Speaker 2: Epstein icebergs on YouTube. If you don't know what an
Speaker 2: iceberg is, go check it out. It's pretty funny to me.
Speaker 2: I actually do watch the icebergs to see what it
Speaker 2: is people think are important. The iceberg concept that kills me.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we have transitioned, that's for sure. But you know,
Speaker 2: just like people question other transitions, is it a good one? Anyway?
Speaker 2: That's up to you guys. Like I said, and like
Speaker 2: I said before Pierson, I might have different opinions about this,
Speaker 2: but I think both of us are a little concerned
Speaker 2: about the future of it one way or another. And
Speaker 2: maybe you will be too, but then again, maybe not.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll have to see. Amili o'celly, all of
Speaker 2: you are the effect. Thanks Sage.
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