Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, and for this week of August eleventh,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Lost season three, episode eleven, Enter seven seven,
Speaker 1: not enter seventy seven, Enter seven seven, an episode which
Speaker 1: asks the question, if you've been on a weird, mysterious
Speaker 1: island for a while, and you've gone through a traumatic
Speaker 1: time where hitting a button or not hitting a button
Speaker 1: on a computer caused an explosion to turn the sky purple,
Speaker 1: if you walked into another mysterious place and saw a
Speaker 1: computer with a chess game on. Would your first thought
Speaker 1: be surely like chess, I'll sit down at this computer
Speaker 1: and start hitting keys.
Speaker 2: Fuck what you do with man? Well, and then.
Speaker 1: Going it's just a chess game. It's chess games are safe.
Speaker 1: I'm like, have you not seen war games? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is weird, Old Island. Nothing is exactly what it's seems, right,
Speaker 1: I oh my gosh, not.
Speaker 2: That yes, And then when it asks you to start
Speaker 2: actually entering codes like that if you didn't get it already.
Speaker 2: And this was on top of when he was in
Speaker 2: charge of guarding a prisoner and he was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: he seems out pretty cold. I'm going to go back
Speaker 2: to this chess game I was playing because I think
Speaker 2: I can win.
Speaker 1: Haroting tip. Screens are very addictive. Do not let your
Speaker 1: kids get addicted to screens. They will make bad choices
Speaker 1: that will put themselves and others in danger. Yeah, get
Speaker 1: rid of the iPad. Nothing good can come of it.
Speaker 2: Even if you think they're asleep and fully contained. As
Speaker 2: we learned from Luna and Duster, they can surprise you
Speaker 2: and move around when you weren't expecting it.
Speaker 1: So that was the dramatic a plot where they find
Speaker 1: this little farm looking place. I'm sure Vincent has been
Speaker 1: by and you know, befrinted the cat and the horse right,
Speaker 1: and all sorts of dramatic unplay and threats and counter
Speaker 1: threats ensues. But also we learn that Sawyer has lost
Speaker 1: his mojo money. You don't go in saying I'm the
Speaker 1: super do for best ping pong player ever, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: cream you. Guys. You go into the game going, what's this?
Speaker 1: You take this paddle and the ball? I guess I
Speaker 1: could do it. You're a con man, you are a
Speaker 1: professional con artist? Yeah, what that you've got? Played by Hurley?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the juxtaposition walk.
Speaker 1: Into the sea, now, man, I think it's over.
Speaker 2: For the way that this comic relief plot was aligned
Speaker 2: with the actual torture in the other plot was really
Speaker 2: quite jarring. Like, hey, let's play ping pong and Sawyer's
Speaker 2: gonna have a little pony tail and he's going to,
Speaker 2: you know, get his come up.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just couldn't even enjoy the come up.
Speaker 1: And because it was so obviously coming.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was very clear, and.
Speaker 1: And he just walked into it like, you know, like
Speaker 1: a guy walking into a wall. Come on, what's I mean?
Speaker 1: I guess it's been a stressful time. He's worried about Kate.
Speaker 1: That's yes, that's true, but he knows he knows how
Speaker 1: to to to hustle better than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he thought that was the best way to get
Speaker 2: his stuff back. He was sorry, mistaken.
Speaker 1: Yep. And how many more episodes Untilnicky and Pollall were gone?
Speaker 1: Those people keep getting on my nerves, acting like they
Speaker 1: belong there, like they've been there all along. Yeah, only
Speaker 1: a couple more episodes on that mine. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: in this uh, in this episode, said uh recalls an
Speaker 1: incident of mercy, and so, therefore I guess is merciful
Speaker 1: towards Mikhail mm hmmm, an action that I will not
Speaker 1: go into much detail, but I assume will not surprise you.
Speaker 1: We'll have a consequences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I am not surprised to hear that.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Russeo's like, dude, you take your chance when you've got it,
Speaker 2: shoot your shot.
Speaker 1: And yes, she could have just shot him. You know,
Speaker 1: I would have believed her. I was saying, Oh, for
Speaker 1: goodness sake, right, why are you trusting these people. What's
Speaker 1: the matter with you? It's the heat getting to you.
Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, And were we supposed to think that that
Speaker 2: was like, somehow the same cat because it really looked
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 1: It did look the same, though, though it's difficult to
Speaker 1: see how it could be.
Speaker 2: Right, But this is lost, so it could be.
Speaker 1: And there's I mean, every individual cat is loved by
Speaker 1: its owner and distinct in its own special way. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of cats look like It's not like
Speaker 1: it was a distinctive, particularly distinctive cat. I mean, if
Speaker 1: it had been missing an eye or yeah, had some
Speaker 1: hideous deformity, then if you could say that it was
Speaker 1: the same one.
Speaker 2: But I think so.
Speaker 1: I think it's just supposed to think it make him
Speaker 1: think generally of cats, right, and of that yeah, and
Speaker 1: of that woman that time when he was set up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is teach your children. If it sounds
Speaker 2: too good to be true, it probably is. A random
Speaker 2: stranger shows up and says, oh, this is tasty, I'll
Speaker 2: pay you double.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if you know that you personally have a
Speaker 1: history of torturing people, you might just always kind of
Speaker 1: be on the alert for that.
Speaker 2: Right, this is true.
Speaker 1: I liked Rousseau's approach to them finding this guy and
Speaker 1: they're all going to go and engage, and she says,
Speaker 1: I have survived on this island precisely by avoiding these encounters.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, parenting tip, you don't have to pick every fight.
Speaker 1: You don't have to get involved in everything every you know,
Speaker 1: every misbehavior that your child does. You don't have to
Speaker 1: go into it with guns blazing. Every offense by somebody
Speaker 1: at a PTA meeting or a teacher does something you
Speaker 1: don't like, you don't have to. You don't have to
Speaker 1: pick every fight. You can lay low for a while
Speaker 1: and pick your battles at the very least.
Speaker 2: I feel like Kate maybe needs.
Speaker 1: Yes, Kate could use that advice as well. You know,
Speaker 1: Usso has managed to survive for a very long time.
Speaker 1: That doesn't look like she's been having a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: But what she is a good game of ping ping pong, Yeah,
Speaker 1: or maybe some chess. Just the game for you here.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean the whole Russo thing. It's confusing
Speaker 2: to me, Like, as we were talking about last week,
Speaker 2: you know, it seems like she was kind of surprised
Speaker 2: to learn that her daughter is nearby hanging out with
Speaker 2: the others when she in earlier episodes seemed pretty clear
Speaker 2: on that fact. Right, And but if she knows where they're, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: and just if she does, like know where they are,
Speaker 2: why hasn't she had this confrontation with them? Yes, fifteen
Speaker 2: years ago?
Speaker 1: That's the thing. If she knew that her daughter was there,
Speaker 1: why would she not have just gone and got her
Speaker 1: or confronted them? Right, So she must not have known.
Speaker 1: But how could she not, Well, because she avoids confrontation.
Speaker 1: She's just been off by herself.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: Don't ask too many questions, Yeah, delicate web and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and maybe it has to do with all
Speaker 2: this like quarantine business.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's yeah, it will all eventually be explained, possibly
Speaker 1: not to your satisfaction, nonetheless, right, And they they're they're
Speaker 1: looking around the hatch, and they find a shelf full
Speaker 1: of the kind of instruction manuals you would find in
Speaker 1: an office, with like a notebook.
Speaker 2: And three ring binder three ring.
Speaker 1: Binders with different titles on them, stuck down through a
Speaker 1: plastic thing in the front. And even even in this
Speaker 1: desolate outpost of civilization, there's still somebody with a word
Speaker 1: processor and a copy machine, whole punch or three whole puncher,
Speaker 1: and here study up on this.
Speaker 2: It'll be important. Some site is.
Speaker 1: The one who site is the one who took I
Speaker 1: guess the one page? Did he just take one page
Speaker 1: out of it? Because good man, that's right. But if
Speaker 1: Locke knew those were there, he would have like the
Speaker 1: rest of the season and half the next season.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Look, Oh gosh, that just gave me such flashbacks to
Speaker 1: former former employers. Yeah, I've been in that room that
Speaker 1: has the big note books of instructional material in them.
Speaker 1: Yes they've done that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, what else? So we we saw for a
Speaker 2: brief time missus Mss Clues right, who we had last
Speaker 2: seen at the at the dock, having being involved in
Speaker 2: the hooded transfer of prisoners and all that.
Speaker 1: She just stuck called to be shot. Yeah, I can't cooperated.
Speaker 2: Which I didn't understand. You know, of course, maybe I'm
Speaker 2: not supposed to, but I didn't understand what.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe because she has information and she's afraid
Speaker 1: they'll be able to get it from her, or maybe
Speaker 1: she's just tired of all this bleak.
Speaker 2: Just shoot me right. Well, Michael said the.
Speaker 1: Same that's right. Michael would have liked the same treatment,
Speaker 1: but fortunately he asked the wrong people.
Speaker 2: Right, say, just having a morality day. Yeah, oh gosh.
Speaker 1: But you know what this is a parenting tip for
Speaker 1: the future that will be played out in the future,
Speaker 1: is that good deeds sometimes have bad consequences. Yes, so
Speaker 1: especially Yeah, sometimes you do something that you think is
Speaker 1: right and it enables a wrong to take place. Very
Speaker 1: upsetting when that that cycle makes it around. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't see it at the beginning. It's like a chess game.
Speaker 1: All the pieces are gonna fall.
Speaker 2: The metaphor.
Speaker 1: Don't don't hit the keys of random computers, why oh
Speaker 1: why is gonna bother me now? And anything else to say.
Speaker 1: This was sort of a straightforward episode. I mean, it
Speaker 1: just had the the basic a plot which feels like
Speaker 1: some not that far from things we've seen before, and
Speaker 1: the lashbacks which yeah, we kind of know this about, Sayid,
Speaker 1: and then the comic relief which you could see a
Speaker 1: mile comment how that was going to work itself out?
Speaker 1: So all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Hurley saying I used to play a lot
Speaker 2: at the place I hung out, which the mental institution rights.
Speaker 2: What he did not.
Speaker 1: Say, I don't want to give Sawyer that nickname for
Speaker 1: when his curfew is up.
Speaker 2: That was also another funny bit that that's what they wanted,
Speaker 2: Yes for a victory was no nicknames for a week.
Speaker 2: You should have held out for more. He was really
Speaker 2: he would have agreed to forever because he had absolutely
Speaker 2: no idea that he wasn't gonna I.
Speaker 1: Know, that's just I Sawyer's better than that. I think
Speaker 1: he can see, like, he can spot that he's being
Speaker 1: played and he can play in return. But yeah, he's
Speaker 1: having a bad day. Paulo just called him in Healbilly
Speaker 1: and that just struck gests.
Speaker 2: Well. And Kate has pieced out to go find Jack. Yes,
Speaker 2: and at the beginning of the episode, sights and something like,
Speaker 2: we've been walking for two days or some like length
Speaker 2: of time.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, we do a lot of walking around this
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of walking around this place in
Speaker 1: the how many episodes that we had, now, how many
Speaker 1: there's been more than two seasons? Yeah, it's wen these seasons.
Speaker 2: Season three, it's been like that two and.
Speaker 1: A half seasons of walking around this island. And they
Speaker 1: just came upon this.
Speaker 2: Right, they keep finding stock.
Speaker 1: How big is this island?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a very good question. But I also
Speaker 2: have one.
Speaker 1: Of the first things to do after you realize you're
Speaker 1: going to be there for the foreseeable future, if not forever,
Speaker 1: is to do a thorough reconnaissance.
Speaker 2: Yes, they start looking around.
Speaker 1: That does not seem to have occurred. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess people they're afraid of running into others, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't stop them when they have some mission that they
Speaker 1: want to go on that they just go dashing through
Speaker 1: the right jungle, right. You know, they could pot they
Speaker 1: had some sort of tracker which they don't have. They
Speaker 1: could put it on Vincent and just send nowt I
Speaker 1: bet he could map. I bet he's been to every
Speaker 1: part of that island. I bet he's met that cat
Speaker 1: yep and had words or you know, possibly snuggled. Sometimes
Speaker 1: animals enjoy each other. But yeah, they not know how
Speaker 1: can they come upon I mean I can see like
Speaker 1: an underground bunker that they could miss, but that place
Speaker 1: there's a cow with a cowbell.
Speaker 2: They're not lying low No. And also this they're now
Speaker 2: supposedly on their way to some kind of barracks. Like again,
Speaker 2: that seems like a large, you know, conspicuous ye area,
Speaker 2: does it not.
Speaker 1: It does, yes, but most of these folks are with
Speaker 1: us to the end of the show, so somehow they manage, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Parenting tip. Know the parameters of
Speaker 1: your living area. Know what areas are safe for your
Speaker 1: children to be in, what areas are not. Don't just
Speaker 1: sort of stay in your little yard and not know
Speaker 1: anything right.
Speaker 2: Don't be just kind of winging.
Speaker 1: It exactly, you know, because your kid is probably gonna
Speaker 1: get out and look for things, and you need to know.
Speaker 2: You need to know the terrain right.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to say, I bet he's
Speaker 1: playing chess over at that weird bunker with cat with
Speaker 1: the cow bell. I better get over there before he
Speaker 1: hits seven to seven.
Speaker 2: And the whole thing explodes. Oh boy, once again John
Speaker 2: Locke four decisions.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, yes, that is absolutely the hallmark of his
Speaker 1: or the theme of his story. A dude who makes
Speaker 1: bad decisions, and we'll continue to do so because it's
Speaker 1: who he is.
Speaker 2: Who don't say.
Speaker 1: Next Tuesday, we will continue with season three, episode twelve
Speaker 1: of Lost par La Villon, which is I believe a
Speaker 1: Claire flashback episode. Remember Claire, Oh yeah, she's not gonna die.
Speaker 1: It's Charlie who's gonna die. But since she's, you know,
Speaker 1: in a close proximity to Charlie most of the time,
Speaker 1: got to learn to duck. And we will see you
Speaker 1: back here tomorrow to discuss the Gilded Age, in which
Speaker 1: Gladys would probably very much like to be on this
Speaker 1: island right now and not have to deal with any
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