WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:11.000 By Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Welcome this glorious Wednesday, 2 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:13.599 Afton and the Tristay Reds Baseball kicks off, of course 3 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.879 of a week from tomorrow, and as you may know, in Japan, 4 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:20.359 the Dodgers have beat the Cubs zero to two, the 5 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:22.920 first to open up the season in real baseball games 6 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.519 in Japan. That means in a sense, the Reds are 7 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:27.679 in first place and the Cubs are two games behind 8 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:30.280 if you look at it that way. Plus, tonight Xavier 9 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:33.880 basketball kicks off, and as Kurt Hartman, the great lawyer knows, 10 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.039 Xavier is in the tournament. This is not a play 11 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:40.079 in tournament. It's the first four I've had too many 12 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:42.320 uc faith will tell me that Xavier is not in 13 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:44.679 the tournament. They are in the tournament, in the top 14 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.119 sixty eight. They should have win the night against Texas, 15 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:50.880 done Marster glory. But until then, Kurt Hartman, former judge 16 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:53.799 and constitutional lawyer, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. 17 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:57.439 And first of all, Kurt, there are numerous lawsuits. It's 18 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.600 a band headline when a children's hospital it has a 19 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.480 race discrimination claim filed against them by the US Department 20 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.959 of Civil Rights, and or the Department of Justice. Same 21 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:09.799 thing at Johns Hopkins, same thing at the Cleveland Clinty, 22 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:13.319 same things at one hundred other colleges universities. So can 23 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:17.319 you explain to the American people this Wednesday afternoon as 24 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.840 to the new sheriff in town in the sense that 25 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.319 you can't have race discrimination to hire people and to 26 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:25.879 fire people. It must be based upon merit. Tell the 27 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:28.519 American people things have changed about those lawsuits. 28 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:31.079 Yeah, that's the gist of it. 29 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:32.319 It's like, you know, are we going to be a 30 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:36.719 color blind society, a race blind society? And what happens is, 31 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.519 you know, you have these special scholarships for this group 32 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.799 that group, which are all based upon sex or race. 33 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:46.519 And two years ago the US Supreme Court and college 34 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:49.439 admission says you cannot use race as a basis for 35 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:52.760 college admission. That we are going to strive to that, 36 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.640 you know, Martin Luther King at each that you know, 37 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.519 people are judged on the content of their character, you know, 38 00:01:57.640 --> 00:01:59.920 not the color of their skin or their gender. 39 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:02.959 And so based upon that that, you know. 40 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:05.439 And Chief Justice Roberts, though I have a long disagreement 41 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:07.840 with them, got one thing right when he said the 42 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.840 way to stop discrimination is to stop discriminating. 43 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:13.080 And so with the. 44 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.680 Trump administration coming in, they have said, we're going to 45 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:17.360 hold true to that. We're going to hold true to 46 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:20.520 the American principle that we're going to be a color 47 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.000 blind and a sex blind society. And so when you 48 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:27.159 have these programs that are rewarding people that are opening 49 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:31.319 positions based upon race or sex, they say that is wrong. 50 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:35.000 And so what about the idea that they're well intended? 51 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:37.759 Kurt Hartman if I've spoken to some of the lawyers 52 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.520 from Children's Hospital, and they're well intended. What they want 53 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:43.759 to do is uplift the so called minority community and 54 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.719 maybe the gay rights community, and have individuals in the 55 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:50.280 hospital that kind of look like the patients. The argument is, well, 56 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:54.000 we have good intentions and we want doctors and those 57 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.000 in our Children's Hospital or Johns Hopkins or Cleveland Clinty 58 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.159 gonna look like the patients that come in. 59 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:00.439 Isn't that a good argument? 60 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:05.479 And very well may be true that there's good intentions. 61 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.280 Of course, you know, first people who operate themselves always 62 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.759 in the first person. I'm always operating with good intentions. 63 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:14.400 You know, my tensions are never wrong. 64 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.800 But but it really gets to the bigger picture. 65 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:20.479 Yeah, even though your intentions may be good, what you 66 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:24.280 are doing is wrong. You're judging people based upon the 67 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:29.479 their skin color or on their sex and in the society. 68 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.520 And if you're you know, going to operate. 69 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.800 In society and consistent with the laws, consistent with federal funding. 70 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.120 As remember children's hospitals and a lot of these hospitals get. 71 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:41.560 Tremendous amount of dollars from the federal government. 72 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.439 The federal government has come out and said you will 73 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:49.000 not discriminate, period because discrimination based on the and on 74 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:53.120 those immutable characteristics is wrong. You may be intended, you 75 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.199 may intentions may be good, but what you are doing 76 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:57.000 is wrong. 77 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:01.280 And so and so, you know, I would imagine that 78 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:05.080 the great lawyers representing Children's Hospital and the Cleveland Clinic 79 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:08.879 are telling their clients what because the law is as 80 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:12.599 black letter clear as can be, you can't practice race 81 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:16.399 discrimination directly or indirectly. It used to be remember many 82 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:19.439 years ago, it was equal opportunity. Then it became well 83 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:22.959 we'll call it affirmative action. Now we're calling it DEI 84 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:25.160 and all these things. That was struck down by the 85 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.720 court system. But the lawyers are telling these hospitals like 86 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:33.199 Ucize under investigation in Ohio State for these race based programs. 87 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:37.000 What are their lawyers telling these institutions that this is okay? 88 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:38.839 Are you and I'm missing something? 89 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:40.759 No, no, I don't. 90 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:42.879 I think they're trying to figure out how how they 91 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:44.600 can thread the needle, how they can might be able 92 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:46.519 to go to court and get a hold on this 93 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.720 and let us do it for more years than et cetera. 94 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:51.000 But one thing you got to realize, there was a 95 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.879 Supreme Court case about twenty five thirty years ago addressing 96 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:59.480 affirmative action, where the Court then actually upheld affirmative action. 97 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:00.000 You know, race based. 98 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.519 He's hiring and you know, for lack of a better 99 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:08.279 term of quota system, and Sandradale O'Connor. Justice O'Connor basically said, 100 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:10.920 there's going to come an end time to when this 101 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.360 is acceptable, and she kind of projected it was twenty 102 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:16.600 five years and at this stage were past that twenty 103 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.639 five year perry that she actually predicted back in the 104 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.639 late nineties as to how long affirmative action would be 105 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.759 necessary to remedy past discrimination. 106 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.079 You know, that's one of the things I think that the. 107 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:34.240 People who promote these type of programs, you know, set asides, quotas, 108 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:35.279 whatever you want to call it. 109 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:36.800 When's it going to end? 110 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:39.800 What's the standard that you're going to stop these programs 111 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:43.399 of affirmative actions, of special you know, race based or 112 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:45.879 sex based scholarships or positions. 113 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:46.879 When does it end? 114 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:50.000 They don't have an answer for it, because they don't 115 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:50.800 have an interest. 116 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:52.639 They don't have an interest in ending it. 117 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:54.079 Judge Kurt Hartman. 118 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:59.040 Many many years ago, many decades ago, Democrats in the 119 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:02.680 South the entry of black kids to public schools. Remember 120 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:06.160 of oral Fabis, and remember George Wallace. Democrats said we 121 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:08.800 don't want to educate black kids. And they had the 122 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:11.839 best of intentions from their perspective, and they were wrong. 123 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.959 And now the same Democratic Party of which African Americans 124 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.639 are a key part, are now in other parts of 125 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.160 the country saying, you know what, we want to discriminate again, 126 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:24.120 this time in favor of blacks that we spent two 127 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:28.360 centuries discriminating against the same party who brought us George 128 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:32.360 Wallace now brings us the best of intentions in colleges 129 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:35.160 and universities all over, in hospitals, whatever it might be. 130 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:38.079 And I suspect they'll come up with some other name 131 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:42.319 to keep the race discrimination. The Democratic Party flourished in 132 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.759 the South for one hundred years because of race discrimination, 133 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.079 and now they've changed it, flipped the coin, and now 134 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:52.000 the Democrats are still benefiting from race discrimination. 135 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:54.040 So how does it end? When does it end? 136 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:57.680 When will the institutions in this country understand you can't 137 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:01.839 practice race or sex discrimination. It's illegal. And I would 138 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:03.680 contend it's going to take a long time. It's going 139 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.079 to take not just Donald Trump for four years, it's 140 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:08.319 going to take jade E Vance for eight years after 141 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.839 that to get to wash discrimination out of the system. 142 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.439 But liberal Democrats that both of us interact with, they 143 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:16.879 don't see it that way at all, do they. 144 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.759 No, No, it's like this holier than now view they 145 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.480 have of themselves. You know, I am are not a 146 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:27.600 wonderful person because of what I'm doing. I'm doing this, 147 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.519 I'm helping this person that person. You know, And you're 148 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.439 right about the history. You know, you look back at 149 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.560 the history. It was the Democratic Party that was the 150 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:39.079 party of segregation. You know, the Civil Rights Acts in 151 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:43.680 the nineteen sixties passed because of Republicans over the objections 152 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.720 of Democrats, and to its credit, the Civil Rights Act 153 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:51.319 has made tremendous strides and benefits, you know, not just 154 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:54.040 to the African American community, but to the country as 155 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:56.519 a whole. We are a better country because of those 156 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:58.759 enactments by the Congress. 157 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:02.319 The bottom line is when does it end? 158 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:04.680 And I don't know it ends. 159 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:08.319 The US Supreme Court ruled in twenty twenty three that 160 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.319 it's illegal, you can't do it. 161 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:11.959 It's raised discrimination and. 162 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:16.160 They still do it and children's so it doesn't stop 163 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:16.639 the spring. 164 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:20.360 No, the Supreme Court has basically said it has it 165 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:21.120 needs to end. 166 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:22.040 It ends now. 167 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.160 But you got this resistance from people like children's hospitals. Uh, 168 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.600 the University of Cincinnati's under investigation as well, right, because 169 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:32.600 they don't want to let go of this power. 170 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.240 It's a power thing, and it's a liberal power thing. 171 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.679 So that's recognize we're dealing with, you know, institutions that 172 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.120 are predominantly liberal or progressive or whatever you want to 173 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.279 call it, and they see it as basically their hold 174 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.879 on power and able to influence, you know, as opposed 175 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.960 to just pay people do your job. 176 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.000 That merit people rise with on rise or fall on 177 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:54.799 their own merit. 178 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.240 It's kind of amazing that, you know, on the morning 179 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.960 cable shows, I'm hearing about Donald try Trump wants to 180 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:04.360 ignore court rulings. Donald Trump will not follow the law. 181 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.960 Donald Trump will not do what judges tell them to do. Well, 182 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:11.159 two years ago, the US Supreme Court told the University 183 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.519 of Cincinnati in Ohio State, you can't do that. So 184 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.600 the liberals ignore the law when it's to their electoral 185 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:20.840 benefit and they and they accuse Trump of engaging in 186 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:21.639 their behavior. 187 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:23.000 Isn't that rather rich? 188 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:25.240 Yes? 189 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:27.360 Yeah, you know, And you talk about the University of 190 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.360 Ohio State University. Since that, where's the board of trustees, 191 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:34.279 where's the leadership from the border trustee saying this stops, 192 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:34.840 We're not going. 193 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:35.320 To do this. 194 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:39.399 Who's running the asylum if you will? 195 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.200 Well, they do it with the best of intentions, but 196 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.600 they're violating court orders that they accused Trump of doing. Now, 197 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:49.200 speaking of that, there's a very liberal federal judge in Washington, 198 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:52.600 d c. There's several there, including Judge Chunkin who really 199 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:56.080 wanted to lock Trump up. Name James Boseburg. He's been 200 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.159 on the bench for a long time, like fifteen or 201 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.799 twenty years. Can you tell the Amyria people, this is 202 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.000 the judge that issued a ruling as the plans you're 203 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.840 in the air, that this violent gang from Venezuela over 204 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.679 the Yucatan had to be returned to the country. First, 205 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:12.480 give us the history of Judge of Boseburg and you 206 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:14.759 were a judge. Hell, I sleep with a judge. I 207 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.279 have great respect for judges. But you give us the 208 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:18.559 history of Judge Boseburg. 209 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:23.759 Yeah, Boseburg was an Obama appointee in the early I 210 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:25.840 think twenty eleven is when he got a pointed to 211 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:27.080 the federal bench in DC. 212 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:28.960 But very liberal. 213 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:32.720 Family is very liberal, very on these progressive cause, you know, 214 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:36.919 causes and issues, and so Boseburg, you know, these left 215 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:40.639 ring boots trying to litigate a second lawfare, if you will, 216 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:44.399 against Trump. Right, they're engaging in lawfare against the Trump administration. 217 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:48.039 They're clearly judge shopping. They're running to these liberal judges 218 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.720 that were put on the bench by Obama predominantly or 219 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.519 or Biden to try. 220 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:53.480 To play president. 221 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:56.120 These judges are trying to tell the executive branch of 222 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:59.799 government how to perform its job, not simply apply to 223 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:04.080 the law. And so Judge Boseburg gets the case with 224 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:08.480 you know, the immigration services are resting illegal aliens, people 225 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:11.279 who have already violated the law by coming into this country. 226 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:14.120 But not only that, these are you know, they're engaging 227 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:18.559 in criminal activities. Trenda Aragua, the venzuel And Gang or 228 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.559 MS thirteen, the Al Salvadoran gang. They're resting them, taking 229 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:25.840 them into custody and saying you are being deported, and 230 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:28.759 they started deporting them out of the country. And on 231 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:31.639 a Saturday, somehow another of these people were able to 232 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.519 track down a federal judge on a Saturday to say, Judge, 233 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:38.879 we need an immediate order to stop these gang members 234 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:43.559 from being deported. And so the judge puts on this order. 235 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:47.279 Immediately stop what you're doing. Turn those planes around that 236 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:49.720 are in the air, you know, the out of the country, 237 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.879 out of the territorial space of the United States. They're 238 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:57.240 international waters or over international waters. Stop them turn them around. Well, 239 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:00.679 planes just kept going to Al Salvador and these hard 240 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.919 and game criminals you know, are now and it's Al 241 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:05.039 Salvadore in prison, you know. 242 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:06.399 And if you remember when Trump. 243 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:08.440 Came in, you know, and Tom Home and the you know, 244 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:11.480 the the borders are basically said, you know, Trump gave 245 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:15.799 him three priorities. You know, secure the border, get rid 246 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.039 of the criminal elements that have violated you come into 247 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:21.879 the country illegally, and find the children. And this is 248 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:24.559 one of So this is one of the three priorities 249 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.440 that President Trump has dictated. We're gonna get rid of 250 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.639 the threats to our society, you know. And it's interesting, 251 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.240 you know, you know, where we live, maybe we don't 252 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:35.360 experience this fair, but you know, you look at stuff 253 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:38.480 out in Boulder, Colorado, where you know, these gangs have 254 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:41.000 taken over a whole apartment complexes and people are in 255 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:44.720 tearor living in their apartments. That's in the United States 256 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:47.600 of America. And Trump said that's not accessible. So he's 257 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:49.960 ordered them out. But you got this judge say no, 258 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.960 stop everything. Well it turns out the judge's daughter works 259 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.919 for a non governmental organization and nng O that's getting 260 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.000 tons of money or had been getting tons of money 261 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:03.879 from the government. His daughter works for an organization explicitly 262 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.279 defending the right of these criminals and gang members to 263 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.480 stay in the United States. And so yeah, it's not 264 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.000 that you know, and there's other cases. You know, there's usaid. 265 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.720 Judge chunk And just recently ordered, hey, you've got to 266 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.559 give away you know that twenty billion dollars. No, she 267 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.159 did the EPA, the twenty billion dollars where they were 268 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.039 quote unquote pulling the gold off the Titanic. You know, 269 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:30.399 as the Biden administration, they're throwing money out there to 270 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.679 go to all their left wing organizations. And it's like 271 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.159 that is fraud, waste, fraud, and abuse. You know Democrats 272 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.639 all they're against waste, frauduct abuse, except when the waste, 273 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:41.919 fraud and abuse is to their own benefit. 274 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:47.120 In fact, funding organizations like Stacy Abrons Group to buy 275 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:51.159 refrigerators and to do installation at homes in Colorado and Georgia. 276 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:55.320 Stacy Abrams of Georgia received like one point nine billion dollars. 277 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.679 The director of the EPA said, I got one hundred 278 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.480 billion dollars. I got to shovel out the door quickly. 279 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.240 Get a five to one C three four together, and 280 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.720 we will deposit in your account billions of dollars out 281 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:09.840 the door before Trump takes over. And this Judge Junkins said, 282 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.679 you can't do that. We have about one thousand district 283 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:16.039 court judges either retired still here in cases or on 284 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:18.919 the bench, and each of them have a separate foreign policy. 285 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:21.440 And as a judge, you've been a judge, how do 286 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:24.480 you find that Do we have district judges with foreign policies? 287 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:26.039 We don't. 288 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:29.200 We have judges that have judicial power, non executive power. 289 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:31.200 I have said kind of it appears that some of 290 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:35.000 these liberal judges are frustrated politicians who always wanted to 291 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.960 be president, and so now they see the opportunity for 292 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.360 themselves to play president in the with their robes on. 293 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:42.919 You know, that's not their job. 294 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.360 Their job is you know, the president clearly has your 295 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:51.879 international power, your international relations powers, securing in the border, 296 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.879 et cetera. But these judges want to come in, you know, 297 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:55.519 on a win. 298 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:57.120 I mean a lot of these. 299 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.879 Orders are issuing with no notice to the president or 300 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.519 the administration, and you know, we'll let you know down 301 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.600 the road, but stop immediately, you know, you know, a 302 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.000 temporary restraining order, it's done right off the bat. 303 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.559 Those are exceptions, not the rules. 304 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.080 But these judges, because they were able to control the administration. 305 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:19.159 Like I said, it's the second second wave of lawfare 306 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.840 against Trump. Beforehand, they did it against him personally. Now 307 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:27.879 they're doing lawfare against the Trump administration and the. 308 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:29.879 And the Supreme Court that won't step in. 309 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.080 You know, there was an opportunity for the Supreme Court 310 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:35.039 a couple of weeks ago to stop this kind of 311 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:40.639 wayward District Court judges, and unfortunately Chief Justice Roberts and 312 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:42.840 Amy Comy Barrett had no problems with. 313 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:44.559 What was going on and didn't put a halt to it. 314 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.000 That could have stopped this whole thing from happening. 315 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:49.799 At some point, maybe it'll get up to the Supremes, 316 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:53.039 and maybe the Trumpster should quit angering the Supreme Court. 317 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.240 And there they're people too, and just say you know what, 318 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.000 uh uh. And and one thing yesterday with the interview 319 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.480 on Fox, the President said that I will follow federal 320 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.960 court orders, but he's got to get to a dispositive level, 321 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:08.960 which would either be a circuit court or a US 322 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.279 Supreme Court, and he will follow the court order. But 323 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.200 the liberals don't do that when it comes out to 324 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.320 affirmative action and DEI, they've been told for two years 325 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:18.960 they can't do what they're doing, and they keep doing 326 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.399 it anyway, So when it's end their political interest, the 327 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:25.039 Liberals and Democrats avoid following court orders, and they blame 328 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.440 the trump Ster of engaging in their behavior, and they 329 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:29.679 find it disreputable when Trump does it, but not when 330 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:30.159 they do it. 331 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:30.919 You know what I'm saying. 332 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:34.080 I know what you're saying. You know, but I think 333 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:36.240 one of these times, one of these federal judges go 334 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.879 go too far. And I could see Donald Trump, you know, 335 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.960 taking a quote from Andrew Jackson, who one time had 336 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:47.320 a disagreement with the Chief Justice John Marshall on the decision, 337 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:50.879 and the quote that's attributed to President Jackson was, you know, 338 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:52.799 the Chief Justice has made his decisions. 339 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:55.320 Now let's seem enforce it, because the judges don't have 340 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:56.399 the enforcement power. 341 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:02.360 Yeah Andrew Jackson as a Democrat, by the way, yes 342 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:02.679 he was. 343 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.200 But you know, part of what really we have a 344 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:09.200 respect for our judicial decisions because we believe that they're 345 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.960 based on the wall and the facts, not just to win. 346 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:16.319 And I think, seriously, a lot of what's happening right 347 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:18.880 now does not vode well for the judiciary, for the 348 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.000 faith and confidence in the judiciary. You know, the strength 349 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.519 of a judge's decision to earn its respect, and when 350 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.839 this stuff is happening so quickly with no notice, happening 351 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:36.200 on a Saturday evening, that that undermines the faith and 352 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:37.400 confidence in the judiciary. 353 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.839 And I'm it's sad that some of these judges don't. 354 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:43.039 Appreciate that and unfortunately doesn't pare the Chief Justice right 355 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:43.920 now does either. 356 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:46.519 All right, Judge Kurt Hartman, thanks for coming on the 357 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.240 Bill Cunningham Show to set the record straight once again. 358 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:51.359 You're a great American to continue to have a great 359 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.920 often you. Thank you, Kurt, You do same, Thank you, 360 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:57.079 God bless you. Let's continue with more news is next 361 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:00.400 coming up later. We've scheduled Senator Bernie Marino on news 362 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:10.480 radio seven hundred WLW by Billy Cunningham, the Great American. 363 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.640 We've scheduled an interview with Senator Bernie Marino about one 364 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:17.240 six today in about what twenty twenty five minutes to 365 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:21.960 talk about what's happening now in Washington. And as you know, 366 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.279 I sleep with a judge. I love judges. I've been 367 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:28.000 a federal law clerk. I've worked in common police courts, 368 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:31.799 I've appeared in the High Supreme Court, et cetera. Practiced 369 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:34.960 many times in federal court trying bank robbery cases and 370 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:38.559 drug deals one type or another. Great respect for him, 371 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:41.000 but as often as that, stay in your lane. 372 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:42.759 What is your job as a judge? 373 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.720 Three branches of government, the executive, which is the governor 374 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:50.440 and or the president, Legislative, the General Assembly or the Congress, 375 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:53.240 then judicial and each stay in their lane, and the 376 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.200 whole system works, and it works well. I could not 377 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:01.119 imagine if President Donald Trump had told the Congress how 378 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:04.440 many of their employees they have to fire or hire? 379 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:08.079 And I can't imagine Trump the reaction if he'd gone 380 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:10.759 United States Congress and said, you know what, you're going 381 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:12.680 to get rid of your employees. And by the way, 382 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:16.359 Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, you're going 383 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:18.720 to have to get rid of your employees, Chief Justice 384 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.880 John Roberts, because I don't like some of your employees. 385 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.519 It's duplicated, it's waste, fraud, and abuse. So you got 386 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.279 to stay in your lane. So almost every federal agency 387 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:33.279 that deals with you directly or indirectly is part of 388 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.359 the executive branch of government. And the money's appropriated from 389 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:41.000 the Congress. Then the president executes based upon a lump 390 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:43.359 a dough that comes from the Congress. But he's got 391 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:45.680 to man he's got to manage his own executive branch 392 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.720 of government. He cannot tell the Congress who of their 393 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:52.519 employees to fire or hire, or the court system. It 394 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.000 doesn't work that way. When this issue percolated up about 395 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:58.839 about three weeks ago, the vote was five to four 396 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:02.720 on US aid of money that has already been approved 397 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:05.359 and the work has already been done. So if that's 398 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:07.720 the case by a five or four vote on a 399 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:10.680 temporary basis, I think it was the rid of mandamus. 400 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:13.599 The US Supreme Court five before ruled, you know what, 401 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:16.880