Speaker 1: Pete, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Thanks for coming back on.
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. It's been Uh, it's
been fun this year.
Speaker 1: It has and you know I wanted to do. I
guess it's becoming more of a theme. And this is
what Tom Luongo I said, you know, because we talked
about movies. Tom and I and you and I have
touched on movies. And I'm like, you know, we can
put the Armageddon and all that stuff on. You know,
plenty of time to revisit nuclear war and what happens
in twenty five with the administration, and you know, on
and on and on. Let's lighten it up for a
conversation and just talk about that, talk about movies, and uh,
I don't know, like it doesn't have to be people
always say doom, doom. But here's what's funny with Tom's episode.
Some people are like, oh, this is great, like you know,
so cool you guys. And other people are like, you
should have put in the description that was movie talk,
so we don't have to waste our time. And I'm like,
my god, I'm like, it's it's in the description. It's
I just didn't announce it before we started that we're
going to talk about movies.
Speaker 2: People don't want to read. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: So I don't know about you, man. I just I
have these big movies this time of year. You know,
it's a little bit of downtime, and you know, some
movies I can hang on to from my childhood and
other movies you put on you. I am man, five
minutes of this, I can't do it. Like even Christmas Story,
I watched twenty minutes of it last night. I love
that movie, but I just I don't know. I can't
get through it anymore. Vacation. I didn't watch Christmas Vacation.
I didn't watch Home Alone. I've seen so many times
that I just, yeah, you feel the same.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I didn't watch Christmas Story last year,
which is I always like watch. I think one channel
does it, like twenty four hours in a row, so
I watch. I watched it like one time a year,
and last year I didn't do it, And this year
I didn't even see any of it. We did watch
because we were over. I was over my in laws.
We watched a good significant portion of Christmas Vacation, which
I hadn't seen in years, so it was nice seeing that,
and also a good portion of Home Alone. A Home
Alone just to me doesn't stand up. It's just too corny,
it's too cheesy, and it's just too Yeah. I just don't. Yeah,
there's nothing there for me. I mean, how could I know?
Speaker 1: It's a kid's movie. But it's like he's got all
this time to prep for these robbers to come here.
He could have just ran to the cop station, he
runs at the store, he runs to the church. Like
he's the villain of the show.
Speaker 2: He's the villain of the movie. I mean he's a
little nudnick. I mean he's like, I mean, just why
would you want? Come on? Come on?
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: You can tell in the in the interaction with the cashier,
you know, and he's just he's just a rude little ship.
Speaker 1: Well, and I think my fondest memory that movies I
remember going to the theater see it. I was in
seventh grade and that was a big deal for your
parents to drop you off.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We had our Zekevurici's on and we went to the
mall back when it was still cool just to go
to the mall and you couldn't weary your Raiders starter
Jacket in the mall, especially in Cleveland. You were like,
if you did that, you would people would try to
steal it from you. And going to see that movie
in the theater, Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 2: They're they're good movies. You can watch them with your people,
can watch them with young kids. Christmas Vacation. There's a
couple of parts in that that are kind of kind
of tough to watch with the kids because you know,
he does drop a couple f bombs in there, and
there is some very adult humor. But as far as
a Christmas story goes, and as far as Home Alone,
I mean Home Alone has a lot of violins. So
if you want to, you know, keep your kid away
from watching violence, you'll have. But but then again, so
does a Christmas story. But the violence and a Christmas
story is you know, you're beating up the bully, so
I guess it's good violence.
Speaker 1: So there was a movie on last night. I'm embarrassed
to even say this. Well though I didn't get all
the way through it, but when I was a kid,
it was cool. It was a movie called The Santa Claus,
not the tim Allen one, but it was The Santa
Claus had Dudley Moore was his top elf and John
Lifcow do you remember that at all?
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it, but I know which one you're
talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had it out for like ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Is terrible little drunk, little drunk British guy. That's what
you that's what you wanted to movie.
Speaker 1: But but you know another Christmas you know, Diehard. I've
heard that Lethal Weapon. A friend of mine pointed out,
He's like, when you rewatch Lethal Weapon, that movie is bad.
Speaker 2: I still like it though, I mean it's just an
action movie. You take those movies as action movies. I mean,
that's that's all you're supposed to do. You know. It's
like I know, you and long ago we were talking about
like the first Blood movies, and the first the first movie,
you know, was really good. There was a good and
apparently there's a Christmas tree in the background, so that's
a Christmas movie too. But the I mean, it's just
a good movie and it's a good story, and then
you know, after that, you just basically become it becomes
action movies. Rambo three was actually like propaganda, was State
Department propaganda, you know, at the ending it thanks to
the Musha you know, the brave fighters of the Musha
haden and are like that. Now they've changed it, they've
changed it in later cuts and everything. But it was
just basically State Department propaganda. And there was a lot
of that in the eighties though. I mean, what was
Rocky what was Rocky three? Or what was it was
Rocky four? War Drago that was fourth one. Third one
was mister t Yeah, the third one was mister Yeah.
I mean what was that? But just Cold war propaganda.
It was I mean everything to the steroids, to him
having to fight in Russia, just just awful stuff. But
you know, you watch it because it's freaking remove your
brain entertainment. Yeah, I mean, I love there. There are
a lot of movies that I like that are cerebral,
but there's sometimes I just want to put something on
and just enjoy it, you know. It's like, yeah, it's
like the James Bond movies or or like the Mission
Impossible movies. I don't I don't want to use my
brain a lot, you know, I just want to I
want to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I only got through the first two Mission Impossibles, but
I think it was Tom and other people, so they
get better. The more they the more the more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, the one right now that we're waiting for
waiting to come out, part two to come out. I
think it's a ghost protocol that is, I mean like
a take a heavy take on AI. I'm like, what
AI could become everything. So there's part they're waiting for
part two of that to come out. But yeah, I
mean they do get better. I think they are. First,
first one was good, second one was god awful, the
third one was good, and they just get they get
program actually get better after that because they're concentrating more
on story. And also the characters are a little more interesting,
and the more you get to know characters, the the
more invested you can be in it, you know, as
long as the characters stay likable. Yeah, and don't you know,
I mean they haven't really gone woke. I'm sure somebody listening, No,
no ad mission, impossible five, I don't care. But it's
not something that is so blatant, you know. It's like
Robert Pattinson's The Batman. There are two spots in it
that they make. There's two like distinctly woke comments. But
I was waiting for so much more. But you know
they just put it into everything.
Speaker 1: Now, So did you like the Batman or Robert Pattinson?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually did. I thought it was I thought
it was pretty decent. I haven't seen the New Penguin movie,
and I'm not gonna see the second Joker movie. I
know that that's probably makes me a normal because I
know some people have been like, no, there are certain nuances. No,
I'm good, I'm good. I don't If I want to
watch a musical, ill, I'll watch something old. I'm not
gonna watch some studid. It's a stupid super superhero musical. Now,
there's no nu once. There's no nuances to it, no
matter what you think there's there's nothing brilliant about it,
no matter what you think I wanted.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go U feel again bored me retelling
the story. But my buddy and I. I have a
friend that he's a couple of years older than me,
and we just go to movies. Like he loves to
go to the movies. I love to go to movies.
There's just nothing, that's nothing out there to see anymore.
And I said, let's go see The Joker. He doesn't care.
I'm one of those people I listened to the Critical
Drinker on YouTube. If you ever watch that guy's channel,
he's the guys. He's great. When I was a kid,
I loved ciskel Nieber. That was like my kind of
go to for movie reviews. What was everybody's go to?
But I'm like, let's just go. I won't watch anyone,
I won't read your reviews, I won't watch anything, and
just to get out and do something. And I made
the mistake for a joke too. And I still haven't
seen any good about it and I have not met
one person that's watched it in my in my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I heard Tim Dillon was talking about and
he was in it, and he said, yeah, I don't
recommend anyone go see that movie. So that's all. That's
all I did it to hear. Yeah, it's like it's
just it's just got awful. So yeah, I don't you know,
if there are good movies being made right now, someone
has to tell me about them. And I mean I
can't even really think about a movie that someone's told
me to watch outside of like The Mission Impossible movies
or something like that. In the last few years, it
has that's been made in like the last four or
five years now, mind you, I spend more and more
my time reading and researching than anything else I don't have.
I don't give myself a lot of downtime. But when
I do have downtime, I just spend it with my
wife and we we watch cooking shows from Britain or
something like that to see how god off all their
food is. Now just kidding.
Speaker 1: Did you see Godzilla Minus one?
Speaker 2: I didn't see that. No good, I got it all right.
Speaker 1: I want you to watch it because I'm like, I'm
one of my two for three of recommending that to people.
And some people like Colin was like, bad, bad, bad.
It is a bad one on my He's like, wife
didn't like it either. I thought the movie was great
because it was different because it wasn't centered around Godzilla.
Do you know anything about it? It's subtitled It took Place,
so it's Japanese subtitled, and it takes place right after
World War Two, and the premise of it is Kama
Kazi pilot gets cold feet and decides not to carry
out his mission, so he diverts to a part of
the island in Japan. Godzilla hits the island. I'm not
ruining the movie for you. Godzilla hits the island and
he hides. Godzilla goes away, the nukes get dropped, the
war's over, Godzilla gets stronger, and he starts heading back
to the island. The United States government sees this and
they said, well, screw it, let's your pan deal with this.
It's not our problem. So the pilot throughout the whole
movie is dealing with his guilt and shame because he
did not he ran away.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but I.
Speaker 1: Gotta tell you, it's really really good, like and there's
more to it than that. But they developed the character,
the guilt that he has. It's centered around that. And
there's a woman and.
Speaker 2: There's a baby, and they'll tell me no more, don't
tell me, don't tell me no more. I'll watch it.
Speaker 1: I was watching the part. There's a scene not to
tell you the scene, but there's a scene where I'm
like so into this movie. I'm like, I cannot believe
I went and saw it in the theater. They put
it back in the theater and I was laugh and
I'm like, I can't believe I'm not into Godzilla, Like
that's just not my my thing and it was so good.
Speaker 2: But now you're gonna watch it and you're gonna hate it.
I'll chuck it out. Yeah, I'll check it out. I
am recently the Old Glory Club. You know, we do
movie reviews every once in a while, and I haven't
even been in on one. Thomas and I do private
movie reviews that we put on gum Road. We're actually
getting ready to do our next movie tomorrow, which I
think will definitely be our biggest seller, but we'll see.
But they did a review of Sacario, and I had
seen Sacario when it first came out. But when it
first came out, I was like in a real a
political mode. I really wasn't paying attention to a lot
after the after I like the two during the Obama years,
I purposely just ignored politics because I knew how bad
things were going we're gonna be. But when Trump decided
to step into the ring and it was going to
be himning Hillary, that's when I started paying paying attnsion
to politics again. So like when Sacario came out, I
didn't really think about the political implications to it. And
then so the guys reviewed it and then I started
I watched it again, and then I watched it again,
and I watched I've watched it like three times in
like the last three weeks, you know, and like in
the last month, and I'm like, this is an amazing,
amazing movie. It is. It basically speaks to the most
important aspect, the most important thing that we're dealing with today, immigration,
with the cartels. It basically is saying that there's a
very implicit message or almost explicit message, that a woman
should not be in law enforcement. And it goes to
show what like real heritage Americans can get accomplished if
they want to, that you could actually stop all this
bull But it also shows that when it comes to
politics and when it comes to international intrigue, you may
have to you may have to go with the devil,
you know. Sometimes I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that movie up. I've been trying
to get my sister to watch it, like forever, and
she won't.
Speaker 2: It's a hard it's a hard movie for women to
watch though. I mean, I won't let my I wouldn't
even let my wife watch like the opening scene of it,
because I know she it'll it'll affect her, It'll affect
her mood, and you know, she just doesn't like I've
gotten to the point where I don't really like movies
with a lot of violence and also a lot of
just people who have no no concept of humanity when
you're dealing with people like that. So I went and
watched it again just because I think it's politically politically charged.
And then I watched part two and I'm like, yeah,
part two is really good too, shit.
Speaker 1: Part Part two is Part two is very very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, an ending scene that the the whole
you could do. You could do a like a two
hour discussion just on the final scene of the movie
when he closes that door, you know, and he sees that,
and the kid sees him, and he closes the door
and he says, you know, you're gonna work for me now,
and it's like, you're just like the implications of that,
of the things going on in that movie are just
they're astounding.
Speaker 1: So so's go back to first one and then we'll
go come back to go to the second one. But
the end of the first one, to me, when Benzio
dol tour and I love Benicio do Toro man, I
mean that Usual Suspects is one of my all time
favorite movies. And if you ever he's probably seen that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean it's one of those movies that
you really only have to see once, but you do
watch it again even though you you know.
Speaker 1: But when he that seem with Emily Blunt at the end,
when he makes her sign off on that agreement, he
puts a gun under her and then he says, and
I couldn't hear the dialogue. I finally had to google
it because I couldn't make out what he was saying,
but he says something along the lines of you should
move to a small town where the rule of law
still exists. Uh, this is the land you know you're
not a wolf, and this is the land of wolves now.
And then he takes up hard her glock throws it,
and then she puts it together and comes back out
on the balcony and points it at him, and he
turns around and looks at her, and she doesn't do it.
And I was like, man, it feels like this is
the world we're in now, where certain parts of the
certain parts of the country, the rural law doesn't exist,
and you have to be become this land of wolf's
you are Wolf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's yea. The Yeah, the hard part of
that movie, obviously, is the hardest part of that movie
is the final scene when he confront fronts the mob
boss at the dinner table, because you know what he's
going to do. You just there's a part of you
that doesn't want him to do it because you're human,
but you also didn't go through what he went through.
But yeah, that that last scene. And I heard you
and Tom talking about Dark Knight and how Dark Knight was.
You know, it was like Christopher Nolan was trying to
tell us what was coming and that we were we
were coming to lawlessness and it and really what it
comes down to is like in Dark Knight, it's like, Okay,
so who why is he? Why is he able to
get away with a lot of the things he's able
to get away with? Why are the mobsters? Because all
the cops are paid off? Right, I'm not saying all
the cops are paid off now, but basically cops are not.
They're told not to do their jobs. And then you
have das that are you know, you don't know what
you don't know what kind of DA you're going to get.
And it really was when you look at it from
that aspect, when you look back at Dark Knight or
you look at Sacario. What he's saying at the ending is, yeah,
we're coming to the point where Thomas talks about how
it was Thomas seven seven seven. He talks about how
the early nineties and even into the mid nineties was lawlessness.
Like if you lived in a city, like you knew
people who like I knew people who were like O ding,
like dying. I knew people who were killing themselves because
of hills and stuff like that, and there was a
certain kind of lawlessness on the streets that like Giuliani
stepped in and you know, put a put a cop
on every corner to try and stop in New York
City places like that. But you know, where I was
living in South Florida hadn't achieved that yet, and there
was still a lot of weird stuff going on. But
it's like that, it almost feels like you we can
get to that point very quickly and by like by
times five. Now if something doesn't happen, you know, and
I'm not saying that Trump's going to solve everything. I
don't know what he's going to solve. I think it's
all on us at this point. I think local politics
is more important than anything and finding your own people
and being having a support system. But yeah, I mean
you can get we can get to the point real
quick where that is the default. And the person who
would stand, you know, Batman, if a Batman rose up,
you know, like you'd be like Daniel pan me. As
soon as they catch you, you're gonna they're gonna want to
They're gonna want to hang you. So it seems to
me that some people either are benefiting from you know,
impending chaos and chaos in certain places, or they see
that as some kind of strategy for the future in
which they thrive and and that they benefit by it.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what you know, you know, critics were
were you know, judging the third Dark Knight Rises, and
that's what I saw the beauty in that film, because
you you saw society break down in that. Yeah there
were holes, Okay, Yeah, he's in a cave with a
close circuit TV that he's watching Gotham because his back
is broken. And then the cops are in underground for
what was it three months or nine months? And then
they get out the next day. They're arresting everybody. I mean,
there was definitely flawed in the script, but the premise there.
Speaker 2: Was also there was also a scene in which the
criminals are judging the corrupt politicians and you're like, hmmm,
who who could bring about? Who were you going to
get order under? You know? I mean there are a
bunch of questions about that movie where they're basically sentencing
all these corrupt politicians and police and everything to death.
You know, they take over and what happens. I mean,
it was almost like it was a message. It was
almost like a message of you know, you might be
better off with these people having criminals, I mean outright
open criminals. You know. I used to say this when
I was a libertarian. I used to say, if I
had the choice to live in like a neighborhood that
was run by like the local DA who's paid off
and the cops, who are you know, just wanting to
waiting for a pension, or to live in a mob
neighborhood in New York, you were much safer living in
a mob neighborhood in New York, or a neighborhood where
I remember seeing a documentary back in when I was
a kid, I think it was in the early eighties
where they were talking about how the Hell's Angels actually
had a clubhouse in Manhattan in Alphabet City. I'm not
sure if it was in Alphabet City or right outside,
but it was in that area at the section and
they were interviewing, like they interviewed this old lady who
you know, the astors said, what is it like having
the Hell's Angels it by you? She goes, well, if
we have any problems in the neighborhood, we go to
them before we go to the police. So you know
that whole Dark Knight Rises thing where it's like, okay,
who's taking over? And you know they're judging the people
who are in charge. It's like, what, there's there's a
huge I think there's a as huge a statement in
that whole scene as there is that Nolan's making a
huge a statement in that whole scene as he does
in Dark Night, where you're like, oh, they can just
walk into a party with the richest people in a
city and basically take over.
Speaker 1: Well, then you look at the read That's one of
my favorite trilogies, those three movies, because this first one
I thought was great too.
Speaker 2: Well, the first movie is amazing. The first movie is
so underrated. So I mean, rall, I agree, he makes
complete sense. He I mean when he's talking and he's like, yo,
civilizations just have to be burned, I'm like, yes, they
almost absolutely have to.
Speaker 1: And he and I forgot what his exact words were
in that, but it was like, uh, he didn't say judgment,
but it was something like a long as like reset,
start over, and and that's where band came in to
carry it out in the third one. But that was
the premise of that whole trilogy, and it was like,
because this is where we're at, and yet people still think,
I mean, I you know, if you shave off fifty
million off the government deficit, the deficit, that's going to
do what you think we're past. I'm sorry, We're just
past all that.
Speaker 2: And Nolan like, especially if you watch Dark Knight. Okay,
so the opening, the opening scene, him standing on the
corner waiting to be picked up, the music, that crescendo,
that that build where it like builds to an absolute chaos.
I mean, he he's not only telling you the story
in words and in pictures, and indeed he's telling you
the story in music. Go just watch Dark Knight for
the music. You will be absolutely floored at how perfect
the music is and how the music is is pretty
much it is chaos right from the start. It's I
mean that trilogy really is like one of the one
of the greatest things I've ever seen. I think I
saw a Dark Knight in the theater like two or
three times. I definitely saw it two times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and even and even you know when Morgan Freeman,
when Christian Bail is able to figure out the sonic
with with the sonogram with the so he could track
the whole city is under surveillance, and then he tells
Morgan Freeman, just type in your name and it'll blow up.
You know, if this was real world, they would never
give up that power.
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean only I mean, okay, so, I
mean where was that? When was that made? A couple
of years after Palin's Here came into existence?
Speaker 1: He came out right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and palains Here was already in existence,
right yeah. When the way he got the idea for that?
Speaker 1: And how about the how about the end when Gary
Oldman says to his son, you know, he's not the hero.
He's not the hero. We need right now, you know,
But I mean, just God, have such a movie that's
a perfect movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sometimes he's going to have to become
He's going to have to become the villain. It's the
and then you know, of course, the making the choice
where he basically he say, oh, you make the choice,
and he's like, I'm gonna go after Rachel and everything
like that, and then it turns out that he's not.
And what you know, I interpreted that to be no
matter what choice you make when it comes to like
elite power, they are still gonna pretty much get what
they want. You may be able to influence it, but
they're gonna get what they want it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really wanted him to do this next
Bond movie. Man, he just announced he's doing The Odyssey,
Nolan's next film. I just would have loved And that's
what Tom Longo and I were talking about. I would
have loved to see what he would done with Vintage.
I love James Bond. Although I I if you listened
to the Connery ones, I only saw never Say Never Again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean I know that my my buddies
in the Old Glory Club will get on me for
saying this, But I mean, I think Daniel Craig was
just is just so perfect, because I mean I grew
up with Roger Moore. Roger Moore just I don't care
how many women were around. He just seemed gay. He
seemed to femin it. Dalton was good, you know, Dalton
was good, and but you know, and Connery. I mean,
but Connery was after my time. And I've really never
gone back and searched out the Sean Connery Thomas and
I just did a did a review of Highlander. But
you know, Sean Connery is in that for what ten minutes,
fifteen minutes, So it's most people don't realize that because
his name's on it, and it's like, oh, well, he's
only in there for like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Did you see him? And never said ever again.
Speaker 2: I did not. Oh so I don't I if I've
seen any Sean Connery double O seven's, it was when
I was a kid, and I just don't remember them.
Speaker 1: So the only reason when I saw that as a
as a kid, we had cable, so we had HBO,
Cinemax and whatnot and show Time in the movie channel.
I only had four channels back then, and Sean Connery
because he always said he would never play Bomb when
he left, but he reprised his role for Never Say
Never Again, and they released it the same year as Octopussy,
so they used a lot of the same character names,
but it wasn't under the Bond umbrella for whatever they had.
They had the screen rights to the script. But I
watch it because Octopussy they were both on cable at
the same time, and Kim Basinger was the Bond girl
Never Say Never Again, which I mean, who did I
love Kim Basinger. Yeah at that time. Yeah, and that
was the director. The guy that directed that was he
didn't do Return the Jedi was Iern Kershner, so he
did Empire Strikes Back, and then he moved over to
Never Say Never Again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh again. I thought about Star Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Now, Well, no, I was just going to say, what
about Pierce Brosnan. Bond was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of the stuff he's done later on roles,
he's been in pretty decent. Yeah, the stuff they came
out in the nineties. I really didn't watch an insane
amount of TV or movies in the nineties, so I've
had to play catch up with that. It's like I
didn't see the like the the prequels, the Star Wars
prequels until like years after because I just wasn't watching
movies at that time. I was I was working really
hard and it was I had projects all over the place.
But the yeah, it wasn't really until Daniel Craig came
along that I started watching Bond again. So that's probably
why they're I like them more. If I went back
and I watched I mean, like I've seen, you know,
you know, a Bond movie. I've seen more than any
and it's just because it was like my mom's favorite.
It was to George Lason Beyond Her My Myjesty's Secret Service.
Speaker 1: I never saw it.
Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so good. Yeah, it's depressing and
it's really good. Yeah, it's really he was a good
Bond And definitely.
Speaker 1: I've heard Nolan talk about it, because Nolan said that
Lasenbie and Timothy Dalton were his two favorite.
Speaker 2: It's mhmm, yeah, Laze and b was something, but the Yeah,
so once Craig, Once Craig took over, I was like
in a I was in a movie mode where I
was watching a lot, a lot of movies and yeah,
I just watched them all. Watch I watched everyone that
he's been in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see the last one. Uh what was it?
Nothing to die for? Whatever?
Speaker 2: The last one was that he did. The last one
he did, I can't remember. Yeah, I remember right off
the top of my.
Speaker 1: Head, Skyfall, I thought was sky Fall was one of
my favorites. I loved Doctor Fussy, but I was a
little kid, and the fact that you're on a boat
with a bunch of hot women, I mean, come on,
come on, view to a kill was a little bit
of a stretch because he's like making out with uh
Tanya whatever she died.
Speaker 2: But my but, but my favorite, my favorite Bond theme
song of all time, just because I loved Duran Durant.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Yeah, it was a great song, the
back to back because The Living Daylights was a good
theme song too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, how did they who thoughts of
resurrec Duran Duran for that? So good good choice. At
that point Duran Duran was like really not? And then
you know they that like springboard their career and everything.
They restarted their career in the nineties. I remember CMM
at a at a record signing once like in the
mid nineties.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Now now, alright, let's go to Star Wars.
You've seen all the Star Wars and all the movies.
Have you seen The Last Jedi? And this is this
is going on Twitter today. Long ago was going back
and forth with a friend of mine about The Last
Jedi because Top Top is adamant that it's a good movie.
What are your thoughts on that, Pete?
Speaker 2: All right, I only saw it once and there were
some things that really bothered me about it. Some things
just didn't seem you know. It's like, well they are okay,
they're on the surface of a starship fighting. Are they
in the atmosphere? Are they out of atmosphere? No one's
where what's going on here? That kind of stuff bothers me.
I'm just one of those people. It's like I see
that and I'm like, this is gonna I'm gonna be
thinking about this. They weren't bad, it's just the I guess,
the making like Luke into like some emo guy who's
like like an old emo guy who's like, you know,
he was in an emo band once and they were
they were kind of popular locally. But now he's still
the same depressed emo guy, but he's like moved and
he's like living, you know, on a on his own
island or something like that. I don't know. I just
the the It almost seem like Luke's whole character in
the in the later episode, in the later in seven
eight and nine and eight nine really are just like
a meme. They're they're perfect for memes. They don't really
I don't even know if they needed to be there.
It was more like it made more sense, like at
the what was at the last episode of The Mandalorian
for season one, for to bring Luke back as young Luke,
that made more sense than it did for for the
for Last for Last Jedi. I mean, I don't know.
There were some things I liked about it. I mean,
freaking Carrie Fisher flying through space, and I mean there
are some things when I'm watching a show, watching a
movie that when it happens, it's just gonna bother me.
I mean, I'm just gonna be there, like, what are
you doing? He didn't need it, didn't need to go here.
It could have been I don't know. I don't know.
Now I'm thinking back, I'm thinking back along the storyline
and everything, and I'm remembering, you know, a lot of
it because I haven't watched it since. I haven't watched
these since they came out. But they're not as memory.
They're not as memorable to me as like the Originals,
and really the Originals four, five, and six. The only
reason they're memorable to me is because I was a
kid and I was really into them. You know, here's
a good am, here's a good Star Wars trivia the
first movie, it's not really Star Wars trivia. France didn't
retire the guillotine until after the first Star Wars movie.
They actually beheaded somebody with the guillotine after the first
Star Wars movie came out. That's how That's how long
they France kept the Star Wars movie. And that's how
early this first Star Wars movie.
Speaker 1: Was with the original episode four yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I remember reading that bit of trivia a couple of
like twenty years ago. That's the kind of shit that
I remember. You give me a piece of trivia like that,
I'm gonna hold on to it. I'll be talking about
it on my deathbed. But you want to tell, you know,
if someone wants to bring up, Oh remember this scene
in a movie where I'm just like, eh, I'm like, oh, no,
it was the most important see in the movie. I'm like,
I don't know. I mean, I can tell you, like
every scene in Goodfellas or The Godfather or The Godfather
Part two, and you know, a bunch of other movies,
a movie like h you know one of my favorite movies,
HBO movie called Citizen X. I just reviewed that for
Last Things Film Festival. Those movies I can tell you
like every scene and like do dialogue from. But if
it's really not a movie where I'm not like eager
to watch it again after it after it ends, not
really gonna remember a lot of it. That seven eight
and nine just didn't do that for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even The last one I saw Begraudingly.
I was up in Seattle Christmas time whatever, nineteen, right
before COVID and my sister wanted to go see it,
and I saw it, and it's one of those movies
I couldn't tell anything about it. I don't remember. I
don't remember anything. But you know mob movies, Good Fellows, Godfather.
Speaker 2: Growing up in New York, if there was a movie
set in New York. Usually it was something that I
could really grab onto. There's a there's a mob movie
with Mickey Rourke and Eric Roberts called The popa Gretitch Village.
Speaker 1: I never saw it.
Speaker 2: It is one of the greatest, I mean it, I
can still watch that movie. And it's just about two
losers who decide they're gonna pull off a you know,
they're gonna get some old old guy to help them
rob a safe, and you know, it turns out there
robing the safe of the mob, the local mob boss,
and then it's just what happens in their life and
how they're trying to handle everything from there on out
and deal with the fact that they know that the
mob boss is going to figure out who did it
and everything, and it's just a It's one of those
movies at very low budget, but good dialogue, good characters.
I mean, Mickey Rourke is a Mickey Rourke and Eric
Roberts are great actors. Bert Young plays the mob boss
from you know, from Rocky. He plays what's his name
in Rocky.
Speaker 1: Pauli Paulie Paullie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just just good stuff, good stuff, you know,
and good fellas. I've seen twenty times. I've seen The
Godfather and Godfather too, probably fifteen twenty times. A Piece
is just one of those things I can put on
and I know exactly what they're going to say and
exactly what's going to happen, but still it keeps me
intrigued and just watching it and how beautiful it is
and how yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Don't mention the thiry one in there.
Speaker 2: I don't hate it as much as most people do,
but you know, you just have to pretty much look
at it as a standalone movie. I'll tell you. I've
read what the original version of it was going to be,
and it was a thousand times worse than what it
turned out to be. So thank god that Coppola got
you know, didn't go with what it was originally supposed
to be.
Speaker 1: I read something about the third one. I don't know
if this is true or not, but that the original
idea was that the corporate America was going to take
over the Mob, and Deval, if he'd have been in it,
would have become the Godfather by the end because he
was the attorney. He was the voice of reason and
if that, if that would have I don't know. I
thought that that could have been a cool idea because
like in Vegas, Corporate America pushed the mob out and
they are the mob.
Speaker 2: Now yeah, no, that would have been interesting. Deval wasn't.
Deval wasn't in it.
Speaker 1: No, but if they would have had it, because because they.
Speaker 2: They loball them. Oh okay, yeah, I mean Andy Garcia.
Andy Garcia is not a bad actor. It was just
wasn't a good role for him.
Speaker 1: So and he's hooking up with cousin. He's soaking up
with his cousin, which.
Speaker 2: Well, and also they they force Sophia Coppola on you,
who apparently turns out to be a really decent director
of movies. But I mean she's not the terrible actress
in the movie. So you just have this nepotism there
where unlike where the first movies were, they really really
went to, Like the First Godfather, there are there's a
great they're great outtakes I have, like the whole full
set on Blu Ray and of watching Robert de Niro
try to go for the role of Sonny, but he's
so greasy. Where Sonny looks, you know, looks a little
more business like and everything and very jewy but because
James gone. But I mean they had de Niro looked
greasy and everything, and he's doing the whole he does
the whole scene about you know, this is where you
shoot him from a mile away. You got to get
up on there. Yeah, you got to get up on
the boom, blow their brains all of your nice ivy
league suit. And he was so greasy and looked too
much like a gumba. And I guess that's where they
held him out and let him play a veto in
the second one.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see him? Have you seen the sequential
order ones? Is that what you have?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I've seen the sequential order one. It's I like,
I like watching it the way I watched one into two.
Speaker 1: You know, my dad had bought the vhs, you know
again in the nineties, he bought the vhs where they
were in sequential just the first two. And what I
thought was cool about it was, you know, you had
all the de Niro stuff first, but then they had
all those scenes that were not in like the original theatrical,
you know, where he goes kills a couple more people
when he's in Italy, they blow up the guy that
killed Al Pacino's first wife in Italy. He's got the pizzeria.
You can find it all on YouTube. But they blow
up the pizzaio, you know, blow up his car right
in front of his pizzeria.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't seen the sequential one since the nineties
when it came out. I don't remember all those all
those extra scenes, but the you know, like they got.
I think two is better than one actually, just if
you try to take it as a standalone movie too,
just there's more of I guess there's more intrigue because
you know, you're learning what the family is and how
the family operates in the first one, and then two
you get to see just how powerful they become, you know,
senate hearings and everything like that. And then hymen Roth,
the hymen Roth character, the Mari Lansky character is when
you realize that he's and I swear cople of to
this on purpose, when you find out he's pulling all
the strings, that he's really in charge of pretty much everything.
And then you go back when you look in mob history,
you're like, well, that's that's pretty accurate for most of
mob history. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and even there's so many great, like classic scenes
in that movie in both of them. But I love
when he brings Devall in and but she was talking
about taking him out hide and wroth out, and he said,
you know, I don't care, you know what, what is it?
I don't I don't feel like I need to wipe
out everyone, just my enemies. And he's like, you know,
if you're not gonna come along with me, you could
take your wife and your mistress and Lalla Las Vegas.
And he goes, Michael, why do you hurt me? I've
always I've always been loyal to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and then and then in the second one,
you find out, you know, you find out how just
how much he thinks of Tom when he makes him done,
when he goes away now and he you know, he said, well,
Vito says. In the beginning, he says, I didn't think
you were I didn't think you were a bad conciliar area.
I just thought that Sonny was a bad don you know,
so Tom was you know, Tom wasn't When when he
says you're not a wartime conciliary, I think that was
to hurt him, because I think Tom Tom was what
you saw in the second one that Tom knew what
knew what to do when the time came. So yeah,
I think that was more of an insult than anything else.
Speaker 1: Well, and how about when he's sitting there with him
after the attempted assassination and he said, Fredo, he's got
a big heart, but he's weak and he's stupid. He
can't be cannied with anybody, he said about his own brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean you have to be able to
balance business and family. If your if business is if
family is your business, you know, So the I mean,
I guess the you know, the one thing that really
soured a lot of people to part two was, you know,
at the ending when he when Fredo has to go,
you know, and Fredo and it wasn't you know people
a lot of people ask well, why did he do that?
It was less about justice and more about my enemies
to see that I would do that.
Speaker 1: And then he hugs him at his mother's funeral because
I remember it was, you know, I don't know anything
to happen to him while my mother's still alive. And
he looks right up at uh at al Rocco and
and it's like this means nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a it's rough. I mean, that's that's
a great thing about those movies, is you can you're
really getting caught up into like the intrigue of what
becomes a political family, you know, a family with more
power than a lot of uh, you know when when
when Veto was alive, they probably had as much as
much power as because it's because it's before the war,
it's pre war consensus, they had a lot of power.
And then after the war, basically the government becomes much
more powerful and takes on much more. It basically starts
to crack down on anyone who could absolutely control their
power or go into business with them. And that's what
you know, Senator what was a Senator Leary? Is that
the one the one from from part two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, where Paccino says to him, he says, uh, you
can have my answer now if you like. Even the fee,
which I appreciate if you put up personally, and how
they set them up at the brothel, which.
Speaker 2: Was yeah, insane. Yeah, I mean, another another thing where
you're just like, did they really do that? Yeah? So
you're that's I guess that's one of the great things
I love about those movies is just that there's so
much power you can really see how power works and
how power is top down, where there's one or two people.
One person is making the decision, maybe two and they
have their closest people to them, and that's just the
way power works. And ye people don't want to apply
that to real life, where that's pretty much the way.
I mean, you know, it's like the elite theorists say,
ten people can organize much better than three hundred and
fifty million people can. Three hundred fifty million people can't organize.
Ten people can, and if those ten people know how
to organize, they can control three hundred and fifty million people.
Speaker 1: Also, you know with that movie as well, how they
couldn't let left any stone unturned and they had to.
Robert Deval goes to the prison or not the prison,
the military base to talk uh Frank Pantangela and into
killing himself, which you know that was supposed to be
played by Clemenza, right, did you know that whole story
behind that?
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so because it makes sense. But that actor, whatever
his name was, Clemenza, from the first one, he was
the high I believe he was the highest paid, maybe
even more than Marlon Brando. In the first one, and
they wanted to bring him back for the second one,
but his girlfriend or his wife said, he has to
be in control of all his dialogue. Well, the movie did.
The first one did so well that they didn't need
to pay him, so they just scratched it and brought
in that other guy. But Duvall going there to talk
him into suicide the way Adolf Hitler did. I mean,
that was that was that was powerful stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's very interesting too because they even mentioned
the Roman legions, how that if they if they made
an attempt on the if they made an attempt on
the can on the on Caesar or whoever was in charge,
they had to take their own life. And that's also
you know, not for a gigantic tangent the people. Why
did Adolf Hitler take his own life, because that's what
that's what Prussian leaders did when they lost. When they lost,
they took their own lives. He just fought. He was
following the Prussian tradition. Everybody's like, oh, that's no, that's
that's what they did. He was a Prussian. Prussia didn't
end till nineteen forty five.
Speaker 1: And then the very end of that film you know,
they do the flashback which they had shot that I
think intent it was a cut scene from the first
god from the first one. But I love it because
you see that he's sitting at the table by himself,
and then he's sitting in that park by himself. He
couldn't keep his family together the way Marlon, Marlon Brando
could keep it, keep it together, but he couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, yeah yeah. And they actually in part
three they do that too. They it ends with him
completely alone and his family completely apart, and then he faught.
I think he's in a wheel he's in like a wheelchair,
and he falls out of the wheelchair, and you know
that he's dead, that he's died.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about good fellows. But one
thing I always wondered about Godfather because Talia Shire. I mean,
if you think about her, who's Francis Ford Coppola's sister.
I mean, some of the greatest two of my all
time favorite movies. She was in Rocky, I mean most
of the Rocky most of the Rocky movies and got Father.
I wonder if Salon casts her knowing that maybe he
could get the financing if he had Francis Ford Coppola's
sister in the first film, because he had a hard
time selling it.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean well, from what I understand, even
though he even though she was cast in it, he
never got financing. He had to go. He had to
do it all himself. And that's why he became so rich.
It is because he did it all himself. It's like
Mel Gibson. I mean, Mel Gibson became a billionaire because
he put out passion himself. I talk about, fuck you money,
you put out passion. I mean that thing. I knew
people who were going to I've never seen the movie.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how it ends.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure now. And it's not because and it's
not because, I mean, obviously I'm a crushing but the
I don't. I don't want to see that. I've read,
I can read it. I don't want to see it.
Speaker 1: You know how this movie ends without having to see it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't need to see it.
The the thrashing, but the yeah, I mean, he made
he made Rocky with his own money. He was offered
two hundred thousand for the script, he said. He said
at one time he was so broken. He was offered
like one hundred thousand for the script, and he's like,
this will solve all of my problems. But no, no,
I believe way too much in the Andario thing. So
he is smart. But yeah, it was. But Talia Shyer
does a really good job and as an actress, she
plays one role because I mean both of those roles
were very were very similar. Once she got you know,
once she broke out of her shells, she was just
basically what's her name? Uh, what, what's what's her what's Collin?
What's her name is? Corleone?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Connie? Connie? Yeah, yeah, and then once she broke out
of the shell she was just basically Connie. So but.
Speaker 1: She she was also in uh I think she financed
or produced it. It was a movie called rad It
was a bm X movie, and she played the mother.
I think that's the only other thing I ever saw
her in outside of Rocky or Godfather.
Speaker 2: Oh that's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like an eighties BMX. Yeah, stupid movie,
but yeah, I uh, Stallone was one of those people
man like he's one of my favorite actors, and like
Rocky's one of my all time you know, Tom and
I were talking about that Nighthawks and Cobra and Cliffhanger
and Ox.
Speaker 2: Is amazing because night Awks also has rotger Hower. Awesome, Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard stallon standing interview he wishes
he would have done a sequel to Nighthawks because him
and Billy Dee Williams were so they had such good flow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They Yeah, there was a there was a chemistry
there that was actually pretty good. Yeah. The yeah, no,
I mean Stallone did some did some other some other stuff.
I mean, the Rocky movies were good, the Rambo movies
were what they were, but there were there were other things.
Lock Up was was pretty decent. Was it Copland that
was good? Yeah? Yeah, it wasn't a bad That wasn't
a horrible movie it was. It wasn't as bad as
like the critics made it out to be. When I
it was one of those movies, I'm like, all right,
the critics are penning it. It's probably good. Oh, I
show like, this isn't horrible? What did you like better?
Speaker 1: Still? Longer Schwarzenegger growing.
Speaker 2: Up, probably Stallone just because he was you know, he
was more of like a New York or you know,
more of an East Coast guy. Everything in Schwarzenegger just
you know, mumble you know, mumble mouth and everything. Commando
was just great. I mean, it's just one of those.
I mean, it's maybe one of the most classic action
movies of all time. It's so ridiculous. I mean it
was the first movie that growing up in New York,
I wasn't around guns a lot, but it was one
of the first movies where I was like, how is that?
How is that rifle just like firing for like a
minute straight. Don't they have to do magazine changes or
It's like that's when I realized that that's when I
couldn't watch a movie anymore unless without watching when when
the guns went into god mode, which meant like, you know,
they had all of a sudden they had a thousand
rounds to shoot. It's like, out of this work.
Speaker 1: I love I love command I mean, I love Cone
in the Barbarian though.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, if dudes can play all
they want, if they've ever watched Kindergarten Cop, they've last
they've laughed their ass off. That's an that's a funny movie.
Speaker 1: That's a great movie. Twins was good too.
Speaker 2: It was really funny. Which one twins, So that's ridiculous.
I mean, Schwartz schwartzenigger, It's true lies. Loved it. True
Lives is a great movie. Loved it. How about Predator,
I mean Harrier jump Jet? I mean, what what movie
did better Showcase to Harrier jump Jet better Predator? Oh yeah,
I mean obviously the I mean he was the best
in it. Some of the side characters were really cringe
I'm sorry, they were cringey as hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love how they were. They went in to
take out the whatever the unit and Jesse Ventura's got
the mini gun. All these muscle heads, right, They're all
geared up and going in. They just kill everybody.
Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But you know what, the effects still hold up. The
Predator effects still still hold up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually liked Predators to Predators
the one they came out like ten years ago. That
one was pretty That was pretty good. When they all
got when they all got dropped on on another planet.
They really saw on the planet. I remember that one.
That one had like what's his name in it? I
can't remember, but yeah, that was it. That one wasn't bad.
A VP Alien versus Predators. That was good, great movie.
That's one of my favorite. I've seen that movie like
five ten, five ten times. I mean it's there's so much.
There's so much in that one too, you know. So,
I mean, and the second one wasn't that bad. It's okay,
it was okay. I just I thought the Predator would
I thought he'd fair better against the aliens. But the
Aliens really did kick the ship out of them in
the first one. If ever, if like you're you're you
can spit acid or like you know, your blood is acid,
You're gonna Predator is gonna have.
Speaker 1: A problem, all right. So so Scorsese, man, what what
is Your Good Fellows? Is my favorite Scorsese movie. Now,
in fairness, I've never seen Raging Bull.
Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen Raging Ball multiple times, and I
hear it's okay. It's a great movie. I mean, he's
he's a piece of he was a piece of ship,
you know. And that's the hardest part of the whole thing,
is just dealing because he's just such a terrible person.
But it shot really well, a good dialogue and black
and white, you know, black and white helped the lot.
Speaker 1: I think So what's your favorite Scorsese.
Speaker 2: I mean, Goodfellows is one of them, is you know,
depending on the day, either Godfather, I'll tell you Godfather.
Goodfellows is my favorite movie. Good fellow I remember back
in the day when it was on like HBO, and
it would come on at like eleven o'clock at night
and I had to be to work. I had, I
knew I had to wake up at like five o'clock
in the morning to go to work, and I would
hear that first line ever since I was a kid,
all I want to be again, And I was like,
all right, shit, I'm gonna be here till thirty three
o'clock in the morning. Damn it. All right, Well, I
mean everything about that movie, it did a really good
It did a good job of showing from what I understand,
I mean, I read the book too. I read the
book Wise Guy by what was his named, Nicholas Peleggi Peleggi.
From what I understand, it did a really good job
of showing just how those guys would go out and
make money and then how they'd have to kick back,
and that they really did try their best to not
get innocent people hurt or involved. It was just the
people that they needed to in order to, you know,
in order to get business done. But the soundtrack, the
the casting was fantastic too. I mean I don't know that.
I mean, Hasraelio to ever done another role that he
was that good in.
Speaker 1: Not like, no, not to that level. I liked him
in Blow, but he was always supporting in that. Yeah,
there's so many I mean, you have Good Fellas, man,
there's so many. The whole movie is just one big
classic moment. Like I liked Casino, and Casino had some
good moments in it, but the cohesiveness of Good Fellas
was just well.
Speaker 2: Casino also was. There were so many parts in that
work that were just so dehumanizing that were really depressing.
But yeah, I mean Goodfellas you had, first of all,
the cast. Second of all, they cast real mobsters in it.
And actually Good Godfather there was actually real mob There
were actually real mobsters in that too. You actually see
pictures of the cast going and visiting certain guys and
took pictures with them everything as just so they could
get the the idea of how to act. But yeah,
I mean when you look at when you look at Goodfellas,
the casting the music, the story, and realizing that a
lot of that story is true. Now in the book
they concentrate a whole lot more on something that is
just told in Passing. They talk about the point shaving
scandal at Boston College. The book is mostly is majority
about that, and they only they talk about it Morty.
Morty mentions it right before they put the ice pick
in the back of his in the back of his head.
But the for a lot of the intrigues like the
luftansa heist and everything, I mean, those those things happened.
Those things were real, and they pulled those off without
like firing a shot. So yeah, there's a lot in there.
There's also a lot of New York history, a lot
of neighborhood history. You see how a lot of neighborhoods work,
but you really do see how the mob. The mob worked.
There's like the Pauly character Servino. He his in the book.
He talks about how when credit cards came out, they
were the first ones to figure out how to counterfeit
credit cards, and they would go out, they would they
would call them, I forget what they call them. They
call them like chick lits or something like that. They
would go out and like have run up three hundred
dollars bills in restaurants in the sixties, in the late sixties,
you know where it's like, you know, how do you
run up at three hundred dollars bill in the late
sixties in a restaurant? And I remember him saying him
being quoted in the book is saying the meal always
tasted the best. Well, we didn't pay for so yeah.
I really after I saw the movie, I had to
go get the book and read the book. I think
I read the book like in one day or something
like that, and it was just, uh, you know, the
thing about The Godfather is when you look at that
it's so insular, it's so nepotistic that you know that
you can never be a part of that world. But
you but Goodfellas let you know that you didn't have
to be Italian to be in the mob. You just
had to be you know, so it could be like anyone.
It actually opened the door where people could be like,
you know, I could actually be I could actually be
associated with these guys, even though I'd never be a
made guy.
Speaker 1: I like when Raleiota's you know, a young character comes
home and his father busts him, and he's he wasn't
going to school and he's beating him, and and the
best wash you know, him narrating the whole movie, and
he goes away. I look at it. Everybody takes a
beating once in a while.
Speaker 2: I mean, so true, so true. How are you? How
are you gonna get to get through life and be
successful without taking a beat? And every once in a
while it's just it just happens.
Speaker 1: Where does the Irish stand up for you on all
that stuff?
Speaker 2: I refuse to watch it.
Speaker 1: Oh you even't seen it?
Speaker 2: I don't want to be disappointed. Yeah, I don't want
to be disappointed. I've heard too many people I know
who I respect that we agree on The Godfather and
like I'm good fellas, and they're like, don't watch it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, if I if I can share with you
what I think. First of I want to watch it
once in the theater. I have a hard time getting
through things that long if I don't see it in
the theater because I just fall asleep or I'm looking
at my phone. And when you're in a dark movie theater,
you just you're not doing that stuff. I'll tell you man,
I think it's it's worth the watch, and I liked
it better than Casino. I didn't like it as good
as Good Fellas, but I didn't have expectations of that
because Goodfellas is like Dark Knight, it's a perfect movie.
It just comes along every every so often. But what
I thought was what I thought was good about it
was Peshi's character. For the first time he was the
mob boss, but he wasn't violent. He was you know,
he did all of his actions very calmly. You didn't
see him yell, you didn't see And when Paccino the
first time you hear his voice, I remember saying to
my friend, I go, man, we're never going to see
all these guys on screen again, like, never gonna happen.
So to me, it's it's I think it's worthwhile. You
should watch it, in my opinion. And then they spend
a lot of time in the post, you know, after
the fallout from Haffa's death, and there was a good
forty five minutes of it and most I've ever seen
it in a Scorsese film, because it doesn't end well
for these guys. It never does, and life is lonely
and life as your parent kids don't want anything to
do with you, And I mean it just you know,
that's that's Unfortunately, it's not a sexy world sexy life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean halfa that's another movie I haven't watched.
My dad's side of the family is a teamster's family,
and yeah, it's I mean, I know a lot. I
know a lot, they sed all a lot of stuff.
Let's put it that way. I'm not going to judge
use a judgment word just to get it so no
one gets mad at me. But yeah, I've never seen
Hafa either. What did you think of The Departed?
Speaker 1: I liked it. One thing about Scorsese movies they go
on sometimes longer than they need to, and that's what
they Departed was. And I also feel like they were
paying homage to Scorsese because he was he needed a
best director. He deserved it for just Good Fellows alone,
and I forgot what I think the English patients went
won it that year, so they were paying respect to
him by giving that. But but I liked it. I
mean I thought it was good.
Speaker 2: I like Jack Nicholson, I like Dicapriol. Yeah, I mean
the the Martin Sheen character was. I mean, the way
he lost, the way he lose you know, dies is
just insane. The what about the I mean, the character
I love the most whenever he was on the screen
was the Mark Wahlberg.
Speaker 1: He was great, Yeah, he's he's getting into fights with
with Man Damon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just I mean, absolutely insane fights. And then, of course,
did you did you notice whenever anyone got shot in
that movie was a head shot?
Speaker 1: I guess I never realized that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, everything was a head shot, and they
were brutal headshots. Even the last one, the one that
Wahlberg's character delivers, I mean, that is just brutal. Yeah,
that movie wasn't bad, but it was. It was overly long,
and there was some stuff there was probably could have
cut twenty minutes, twenty five minutes out of that movie.
But one movie I wrote here and I'm gonna have
to go in a couple of minutes, and this is
you know, I just when you were talking about Pacino
and denierro one of my all time favorite movies. Another
movie I've seen twenty times is Heat Love It. I mean,
it's a heist movie. I remember, you know, people make
fun of the comedy you know the comedian Dame Cook.
You remember him. Yeah, Yeah, he had this joke about how,
like the reason people love Height the people the reason
people like Heat is because every dude dreams of being
a part of a heist. And it's true, right, I mean,
you've thought about it, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was, Well, I was more into you know, Boys
in the Hood, man, We've everybody wanted to be ice
Cube from Boys in the Hood if you remember that.
Speaker 2: But it's like I always thought, well, then Dame Cook's
that Dave Cook finished his choke as every dude thinks
about about being a part of a heist and owning
a monkey, which makes no sense, but it's I've actually
thought about owning a monkey at times too, so I
understood it. But Heat is just phenomenal. The dialogue at
the diner, I mean some of the some of the
best dialogue. I mean the dialogue isn't even that great.
It's just how Michael Mann, how his music and how
how his his scores just really intensify a moment. And
I thought that was Another great moment is at the
moment at the ending where he sees her and he
realizes he has to leave, and he's like you know,
and then he remembers to John Voyd's character, who's like,
you know, always be always be ready to go and
moment's notice and leave anyone behind. There's just I can
talk about heat forever. I mean, there's so much to
that movie. The Wayne Grow I mean, Thomas and I
have talked about this so many times. How the Wayne
grow character. How you understand the Night of Long Knives
because you don't leave people around who are you know,
are who are who will damage things? You know they'll
come back to bite you in the ass.
Speaker 1: I like the very very end whin to Nero's shot.
He's and at that point he's he's done, and he said,
I told you I'm never going back, and Pachino, you know,
holds his hand and you see the camaraderie so he
doesn't have to die alone. And then the music with
It's Moby that they play at the very end of that.
It's such a great I mean, put Moby at the
very end. It was like, that was awesome.
Speaker 2: There was a I mean, there's an alternate ending where
he gets away, but there is doesn't that doesn't work. Yeah,
you know, there's an alternate ending where he gets away
but it just doesn't work.
Speaker 1: I gotta look that up on YouTube. I know you
probably gotta go any you want to do. As we're
going to twenty five, man, what do you what are
you thinking?
Speaker 2: I'm thinking everything is going to be a fight. But
I think it's really interesting that so much of like
politics in the world is done on Twitter now, where
somebody can float something, somebody in power can float something,
and people immediately dogpile on it, and then it's like,
you know, then Elon gets so beaten down that he's like, Okay,
let's do a poll, and you know, and the people
have spoken kind of thing, especially over the last couple
of days where they're threatening this jeet you know, this
paget invasion of h he B workers and everything. I'm
just looking forward to that, to seeing how that plays out,
how all that plays out. I'm looking forward to seeing
how people are going to because they're not going to
get the things that they want that they thought they
could get under Trump, that they're going to immediately turn
on him and be like, oh, we should have voted,
we should have you know, told you would have been
better with Kamala because we'd be fighting. I'd be like yeah,
so you don't want Indians in the country, so vote
for an Indian. Okay, that's good. I just I look
forward to it because when it comes down to it,
people need to remember this, it's not January twenty first,
and we're not going to know whether any of this
stuff is done what's going to be done until January
twenty first. Another thing that I find very interesting is
is that everybody, everybody is talking like Trump's already president.
Everybody assumes he's already president. I actually saw one like
Democrat go well why you know, someone was saying something.
Someone's like, well, why doesn't Trump do something about that?
I'm like, he's not fucking president, dummy, Like everyone assumes
he's already president. Why because Joe Biden is probably dead somewhere,
you know, and Kamala Harris is hiding. I mean, it's
it's weird times. And I think anybody who thinks right
now that they know what's going to happen is just
they're gonna They're gonna they're gonna be as wrong as
I as as I will be about you know, predictions
I've made. I think we're all gonna be wrong.
Speaker 1: One thing I'll add is you know, whatever is going
to happen, it provides a lot of opportunities for what
I'm doing from what you're doing. I wish none of
it was happening and we were just a normal world
where you know, all this fuckery wasn't occurring, but it
is what it is, and for for this kind of stuff,
there's just gonna be a lot of conversations to be had.
There's gonna be a lot of analysis, a lot of
fun with guessing where things may or may not go.
And you know, I'm just you said it. I think
last time we spoke like, I'm just you're just gearing
up for what's what's going to be thrown at us.
And you know, I'm I'm glad that you come on
here regularly and uh, you know we can talk about
things and I appreciate you doing this today. Where can
people find you?
Speaker 2: Well, for right now, I don't have a hockey podcast,
which is what I would do if the world was
what was the place that I'd wanted to be Peakingana
show all podcaschers, Pete substack dot com and the Old
Glory Club. We stream every Thursday night at eight o'clock
Eastern on our YouTube channel and Michael has been a
guest recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thank you for letting me come on.
And you know I I'll put all the put all
the descriptions for people so they can click on all
Pete's work. And happy New Year. I look forward to
more conversations I had.
Speaker 2: Happy to your brother. Take care my chop.