Speaker 1: Weird things happened in the weird Weird Weird.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, what what Alex?
Speaker 3: What are you looking at me?
Speaker 2: Like that? For?
Speaker 4: I was worried about time for a second.
Speaker 1: I was hoping for something a little more spiritual.
Speaker 3: Do it again?
Speaker 2: Oh like, Okay, I'm gonna take it from the beginning,
Speaker 2: but leave it all in so that I can have
Speaker 2: we can have transparency with our viewers. Yeah, don't delete them,
Speaker 2: don't you dare? Don't you dare? Don't? And I see
Speaker 2: what you're doing. Okay, here we go again. Ready, Oh
Speaker 2: hello everyone? How you today?
Speaker 1: I'm feeling great, but now we're presented with a problem.
Speaker 1: What that's India?
Speaker 2: Well? Hey there, would follow me? Follow me for a second.
Speaker 5: I saw a quick question. Okay, what did they used
Speaker 5: to call it? If Americans?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying, our wires get crossing.
Speaker 2: Thanks Aaron. See that's what I'm talking about. Christopher freaking
Speaker 2: Columbus when he decided to sail the Ocean blue in
Speaker 2: fourteen ninety two. I remember that because of the rhyme.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was I like that.
Speaker 2: Fourteen ninety two Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, I'm taking it.
Speaker 2: And then he came over and was like, this is
Speaker 2: India for sure, right, yeah, I must have hit India
Speaker 2: because there's not another big old chunk of land right
Speaker 2: here between us, so this has to be India. So
Speaker 2: he's like, ah, these people are Indians, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: And then they were like.
Speaker 1: We're not, and he was like that you are. That's
Speaker 1: pretty much it.
Speaker 2: And then it was like finds and then losers, uh,
Speaker 2: pox blankets.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm
Speaker 1: really glad that you sort of organically went this direction
Speaker 1: because this actually brings me to something I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about, like something I think that was actually on
Speaker 1: my agenda to talk about.
Speaker 2: And you're both gonna laugh at my earnest noise. I'm
Speaker 2: not allowed to make an excited exclamatory.
Speaker 1: You're you're very what is this man?
Speaker 2: Am I in prison?
Speaker 1: We're whitewashing history, That's what we're doing, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not happy with it. But anyway to get on to
Speaker 1: the thing that I actually wanted to talk about whatever,
Speaker 1: to talk about the real history, right because those dudes
Speaker 1: at the top they do be changing history. All right,
Speaker 1: So hear me out. I'm gonna get serious for me.
Speaker 1: This is something I was thinking about how to bring
Speaker 1: up later, but let's just start with it because this
Speaker 1: is lately one of my favorite subjects.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So, as you said, fourteen ninety two, Columbus Sell the ocean.
Speaker 2: Blue, right, he's spitting right, it's got.
Speaker 1: Bars on it. So we are made to believe that
Speaker 1: the first time that anybody came to the America's from
Speaker 1: you know, Europe or wherever another continent, was in fourteen
Speaker 1: ninety two. Okay, this is something that I think is
Speaker 1: a complete lie. It's a complete fabrication.
Speaker 3: This is like.
Speaker 1: Something that the Templars hold to be a very valuable
Speaker 1: secret that they're now coming forward and they're talking about.
Speaker 1: So the idea here is that the Templar Knights, which
Speaker 1: if I believe, I believe I'm remembering correctly, you could
Speaker 1: google this for me, please, they formed around I believe
Speaker 1: in Well, I mean, let's just hope that the numbers
Speaker 1: don't lie. But I think they started around the nine
Speaker 1: hundreds AD. Because this isn't really a Templar episode. I
Speaker 1: didn't have all that jotted down I just kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to move through it. Right, is it the nine hundreds.
Speaker 4: It's officially saying eleven eighteen, so we're not I was
Speaker 4: pretty far off.
Speaker 1: I mean, one hundred years, two hundred that's not starting
Speaker 1: to get give or take.
Speaker 4: But this is the official beginning, right, And I feel
Speaker 4: like I definitely listened to an audiobook about the Templar Knights,
Speaker 4: and I think that.
Speaker 1: They would claim that they're way older than that.
Speaker 4: Right, their official beginning and their actual beginning is Egypt.
Speaker 1: The Templars would say, just like the Rosicrusions. It's actually
Speaker 1: a debate between the two and it's kind of a
Speaker 1: serious debate. The Rosicrucians. Are you into that Resicrucianism in
Speaker 1: a way, like if you looked into it enough, doubled
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I'm really into Rosicrucianism. I'm really into
Speaker 1: studying Templars. I think it's all fascinating. I think it's
Speaker 1: all so. But there's a serious debate between the two communities, right,
Speaker 1: the Templars and the Rosicrucians both believe they're older.
Speaker 2: Of course they do.
Speaker 5: Right, So it's not that serious. It's just basically a
Speaker 5: dicks winging contest.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but to them it's serious. Yes, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I mean they're.
Speaker 2: Like, I was first, Yeah, I was first. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: huh no, uh no, I.
Speaker 1: Come from Egypt. Well maybe both, right, why not both?
Speaker 1: But I come from Atlantis, you know, I created it. Well,
Speaker 1: but seriously, that's it. They're like, no, no, we come from
Speaker 1: Atlana's you know. And I don't know who to believe.
Speaker 1: I'm not extremely well versed in either. I think I
Speaker 1: think it's fascinating either way, right, Yeah, But what we
Speaker 1: can agree on, okay, is that before fourteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: the Templar Knights came to America. That's like one of
Speaker 1: their big secrets that they're now coming forward with.
Speaker 2: We can agree on that absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think I think that there's ample evidence. There are
Speaker 1: sites all over America. There's like documentaries about this that
Speaker 1: you know, there are in places where there is like
Speaker 1: dense populations of Native Americans, but also like cultural sites
Speaker 1: like you know, relics, burial grounds, but really sacred Native
Speaker 1: sites throughout America. There are some underground I don't know
Speaker 1: if temple would be the right word, but there's there's
Speaker 1: locations where there are templar artifacts found underground.
Speaker 2: Might be a silly example, but they do like reference
Speaker 2: and show that in Assassin's Creed three.
Speaker 5: Assassin's great. But I was gonna say I didn't, I can't.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, I can't remember if I only
Speaker 5: know this because of Assassin's Creed, so it might not
Speaker 5: even have happened. But didn't. The Vikings also come earlier
Speaker 5: than Christopher.
Speaker 2: I think that's I think, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of that one.
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, like there's only what how many continents?
Speaker 2: Seven to eight? Like how many seven? Okay, I'll trust you.
Speaker 2: I'm just like you know that you think people were
Speaker 2: just like skirting around that one this one. Rather, we're
Speaker 2: here right now, but you think people were just skirting
Speaker 2: around it and not finding it all those years.
Speaker 1: No, I agree. I think it's ridiculous. I think and
Speaker 1: Alex could probably have some.
Speaker 4: White Vikings did beat Columbus, but I did not know
Speaker 4: that the Vikings landed north obviously more the Chinese were
Speaker 4: here north of New England into Canada, whereas Columbus landed
Speaker 4: south south. United States actually landed in South America. So
Speaker 4: you I mean vastly different worlds. Yeah, if you think
Speaker 4: about it, they're.
Speaker 1: Literally whitewashing history. They're they're literally like they're they're changing. Okay,
Speaker 1: the question is why?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Okay, I think maybe you know the authorities at the time,
Speaker 1: or you know, as Alex could elaborate on the who
Speaker 1: writes history? Right, the victors? Why one?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: So you want your people to know how you won,
Speaker 4: and you want that to fit in a way that
Speaker 4: you remain in power.
Speaker 2: Right. It's control, It's it's to propagate and proliferate control. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's like, well, we already won and burned all
Speaker 2: of the history and culture, so we might as well
Speaker 2: just make these people believe exactly what we want them
Speaker 2: to believe so that we can control them as long
Speaker 2: as possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I also do think that there's kind of a human
Speaker 4: elemento that you know, you you people generally do things
Speaker 4: for a reason they think is right. Yeah, nobody thinks
Speaker 4: that about Guy and I love I love talking about
Speaker 4: the morality of war, and we've brought it up on
Speaker 4: the show many times. But if you're fighting to protect
Speaker 4: your family and the things that you've worked for, is
Speaker 4: killing for that good? Is killing to protect your loved
Speaker 4: ones morally good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it depends on if you're being told
Speaker 5: if it's fall out reason, or if it's because it
Speaker 5: literally is fallout reason.
Speaker 2: Right, I agree, Like, if it's in your face, happening
Speaker 2: right now and you have to act to protect your
Speaker 2: loved ones, then yes. But if you're being told that
Speaker 2: and you are going somewhere else to do that, and
Speaker 2: you think you're protecting your people and whatever, but you
Speaker 2: are literally like going to them to kill them, It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I mean from the outside
Speaker 2: it's easy, well sure, but I mean just fundamentally it's like,
Speaker 2: are they here right now in front of your face?
Speaker 2: Like no, Well, then it's it's a gray area at
Speaker 2: that point. It's it's at least we can agree a
Speaker 2: gray area because it's like, wow, how do you know?
Speaker 2: How do you know you're being told? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: It's such an interesting topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's one of those ones that's just like
Speaker 1: really hard to like put p a finger on it
Speaker 1: and you know, know the exact answer, but you know,
Speaker 1: all this Christopher Columbus stuff is fascinating. So if you
Speaker 1: talk to a Templar Knight, they would say, actually, you
Speaker 1: know what, if you just google an image of Christopher columbus.
Speaker 2: Ship, I'm gonna do it right now, dude.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's all do it.
Speaker 2: Well, you can keep talking.
Speaker 1: I actually want to see it with my own eyes
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm not spitting Lizier.
Speaker 2: Okay, because for columbus ship, did his ship have like
Speaker 2: a cool name? Oh?
Speaker 1: Perfect, No, I was telling the truth. If you look
Speaker 1: at Christopher Columbus's ship, oh damn templar crosses yo, right, okay,
Speaker 1: hear me out. The Templars will tell you, and yes,
Speaker 1: I have actually talked to some about this, the Templars
Speaker 1: would tell you. Okay, you want to know why Christopher
Speaker 1: Columbus had a templar cross on his ship because the
Speaker 1: real reason that they claim, which I personally I do
Speaker 1: think it's true. I think it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I think the the the bastards at the top of
Speaker 1: humanity are just completely changing history. They don't want us
Speaker 1: to have the true secret history of the world world right,
Speaker 1: The Templars were coming to America for hundreds of years.
Speaker 1: The idea is that when the Templar Knights were coming here,
Speaker 1: they were befriending the tribes like in the you know,
Speaker 1: I say the America's meaning North America, South America, all
Speaker 1: of what we would call the US today, Mexico, yes, central,
Speaker 1: and they were befriending the locals. They had a lot
Speaker 1: in common spiritually, even though their language was different. It
Speaker 1: has been suggested by people in you know, you could
Speaker 1: say templar orders or whatever that like, for example, if
Speaker 1: you know anything about Freemasons or certain initiatic traditions like Templarism,
Speaker 1: they have secret handshakes, So you know any of them? No,
Speaker 1: I don't, actually, damn it. I mean I've read some online,
Speaker 1: but it's like, how could I know unless I ask
Speaker 1: somebody and they're like, yeah, that's it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I just tea I don't know. Ask a Mormon.
Speaker 1: They have them, Yeah, they do. Mormons of secret handshakes,
Speaker 1: but if.
Speaker 5: You ask them, they're just gonna say no, damn.
Speaker 4: It, that's right, right, Yeah, it means they're good at
Speaker 4: secret handshakes.
Speaker 2: Anyone ever gonna teach me a secret handshake?
Speaker 3: I feel like you could start your own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's start one.
Speaker 3: But I mean camera you've already failed.
Speaker 5: It's not secret.
Speaker 1: Let's do that ship on camera. Ready, but you got me,
Speaker 1: let's go away on camera.
Speaker 4: It's on cameras, I can get you all right.
Speaker 1: Ready, We're just gonna wing it fly and that's our secret.
Speaker 1: We just kind of fly a little bit, right. You
Speaker 1: want to try it again, Yeah, we're just gonna fly
Speaker 1: like a double hand in the pointon dynamite. Yeah. It
Speaker 1: feels good, right, I kind of yeah, like.
Speaker 2: Like we're flying together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks good.
Speaker 1: We're rising out you Yeah, it does right, Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm sorry to inform you. Guys. This is
Speaker 3: just a handshake.
Speaker 1: You know what, You're not in the club, dude.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, the negativity keep it over there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just it's just the secret.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He did try to justify them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what the secret part of it
Speaker 2: is is we're communicating telepathically while it's happening.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not secret.
Speaker 2: Now, Well what we're saying is a.
Speaker 1: Secret, that's right, And you'll never know unless you watch
Speaker 1: the podcast. Yeah exactly. He did just try to justify
Speaker 1: why they'd be changing history. So I'm suspicious of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one, that's why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the one.
Speaker 2: He's the one.
Speaker 4: I just made a case for it. Yeah, not personally.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna be honest with.
Speaker 4: You guys, Like if it were me, Yeah, I would,
Speaker 4: you know, paint myself to be a little bit better.
Speaker 1: And that's why you'll never be made.
Speaker 4: If I had, if I had, if I took over
Speaker 4: a country and then I had to like draw a
Speaker 4: picture about how it happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd make my muscles look a little bigger.
Speaker 2: Well, that's one thing, man, making Lying about the size
Speaker 2: and shininess of your muscles is one thing, Okay, but
Speaker 2: that's where it starts.
Speaker 1: Lying about like entire cultural you know, devastations, Yeah, sacred
Speaker 1: you know, discoveries. That's kind of a different story. But
Speaker 1: the idea is that the Templars were coming here for
Speaker 1: hundreds of years, they were befriending the locals right, that
Speaker 1: they had sacred sites that they were building underground allegedly. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know this is kind of getting out there, and
Speaker 1: then I'm going to come back to Native Americans talk
Speaker 1: about some some things that I have been interested in
Speaker 1: it in lately. The Templars claim that they have not
Speaker 1: one as we're told to believe. But six arcs of
Speaker 1: the Covenant, I know, right what I thought there was one,
Speaker 1: that's what it said in Indiana.
Speaker 2: Jones and it melted that guy's face off.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Well, the temp Yes, the Templars claimed that
Speaker 1: there were many of them and that in ancient times
Speaker 1: it was just like an electro magnetic device. When you
Speaker 1: read about it in the Bible, it's like this power
Speaker 1: comes down and you know it, you know, vaporizes people,
Speaker 1: basically gives people radiation damage. Yeah, but basically it's like
Speaker 1: an electrostatic device, like electrostatic and that it can generate
Speaker 1: power and electricity.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They claim that they were coming here for one hundreds
Speaker 1: of years, they brought some of the arcs, and that
Speaker 1: there is I'm not exactly sure where. I asked a
Speaker 1: friend of mine who's involved with a particular templar order.
Speaker 1: He was like, I was like, I say, utah, he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, maybe, you know, not necessarily sure. But
Speaker 1: the claim from some Templar knights is that there are sights,
Speaker 1: that there's like an agreement between Templars and Native Americans,
Speaker 1: that their relationship spans hundreds of years, that there's a
Speaker 1: there's like a vault in America where they're keeping some
Speaker 1: of these arcs of the Covenant that's like protected by
Speaker 1: Native Americans.
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Speaker 5: and that's why all the weird shit happened. WHOA one
Speaker 5: of the things that the Native Americans might have used
Speaker 5: to protect it is skinwalkers.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I can't it's an interesting theory.
Speaker 1: What I've heard about Skinwalker Ranch is that the Ute
Speaker 1: Natives were practicing some pretty strange and bizarre like sort
Speaker 1: of black magic things, uh many many years ago, which
Speaker 1: could have cost some sort of fortext Yeah, you could say,
Speaker 1: you know, the stuff we talked about the New Wagers
Speaker 1: and the Hippies say, like the vortex, the portal, that
Speaker 1: there's like a collection of energy there a lot of
Speaker 1: their practice. I mean, you've heard of like the Wind
Speaker 1: to Go, and I don't know if that's like you
Speaker 1: or anything, but I'm like, by no means an expert
Speaker 1: in all these these very similar but also different Native
Speaker 1: American tribes.
Speaker 2: But that's a Native myth, right, the Wind to Go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's just the concept that there are
Speaker 1: like you could say, demonic spirits that possess people and
Speaker 1: cause them to act berserk like certain animals.
Speaker 2: The idea I thought it was a oh right, okay,
Speaker 2: I thought it was like a wolf like kind of creature.
Speaker 1: But no, you're the real legend of it is like
Speaker 1: it's a spirit that possesses people. Yeah, and it's believed
Speaker 1: to be real. You know what I mean. It's not
Speaker 1: oh oh yeah, you know, it's it's a very like real,
Speaker 1: it's not just like a fictional thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are cultures that to this day believe in
Speaker 2: the window goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's like the idea of shape shifters. People
Speaker 1: believe that people could turn into an animals and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, you have the myth of were
Speaker 1: wolves and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: A lot of that stuff comes from native myth.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. But yeah, so the idea there is
Speaker 1: that that there had been a relationship established between native
Speaker 1: cultures of the Americas Templar knights. Like you said, I
Speaker 1: mean Chinese people were coming. If I can people, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that to be I had no clue about that.
Speaker 1: But so then I want to open a deeper question. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the Templars came, they befriended these people, they found
Speaker 1: a kinship with their spiritual knowledge. There are templars who
Speaker 1: claim that, you know, brothers from Templar orders can go
Speaker 1: to like brothers from Mayan order in Mexico and they
Speaker 1: have the same exact handshake, literally same. By the way,
Speaker 1: They're like all the way across the world and we're
Speaker 1: talking all these years ago. How do they have the
Speaker 1: same handshake? Right? So the templar that performs the proper
Speaker 1: handshake to the I don't know what the term would be.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it would be shaman or priest
Speaker 1: or whatever. But you know, a member of some secret
Speaker 1: order in Mexico, when they perform a handshake, they're now
Speaker 1: considered a brother. So they can participate in their ritual,
Speaker 1: they can participate in their ceremony. They have a kinship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I thought we had
Speaker 1: different languages.
Speaker 2: Right, that's kind of a universal language. They're they're welcoming
Speaker 2: them into the same traditions in the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, different language, how do they have similar you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then you get into Native American
Speaker 1: beliefs and and it's it's it's amazing. So there's a
Speaker 1: couple of tribes that I wanted to focus on today,
Speaker 1: just looking into because I think that they have like
Speaker 1: a specific relevance to UFO phenomenon, something that has actually
Speaker 1: been indicated to me at some point in my life
Speaker 1: by people. And uh, you could say the CIA or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're like, you need to look into this. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it relates to your family, it relates to the phenomenon
Speaker 1: it's you know, just looking at this and and you know,
Speaker 1: so we're going to talk about that. But I also
Speaker 1: think that there is a theory to be positive that
Speaker 1: if we think about the idea, you know, we talk
Speaker 1: about it on the Wisdom Tradition series, that there was
Speaker 1: this idea of Atlantis, that at one point there was
Speaker 1: one knowledge or as you said in the Siamatics episode,
Speaker 1: like the story of the Tower of Babbel, you know,
Speaker 1: we all had one universal language, a universal understanding. You
Speaker 1: could compare the story of the Tower of Babel to
Speaker 1: the story of Atlantis or the story of Lucifer. Right,
Speaker 1: we're climbing higher, we're seeking a higher status in the
Speaker 1: universe or the cosmic order. As the story of Lucifer goes,
Speaker 1: he looks at God's throne and he says, that's I
Speaker 1: deserve to be there. This is my place. You know,
Speaker 1: I shine higher than all the other angels. It's very egotistical,
Speaker 1: very rebellious to the law and order of the universe,
Speaker 1: which is a sacred thing. It's not to be tampered with.
Speaker 1: And you know, so one theory is like, again, maybe
Speaker 1: we were all that soul. We were split to Earth
Speaker 1: and to many fragmented psyches to have all these different
Speaker 1: experiences and we're all evolving up to like a higher
Speaker 1: order again, or like the Tower of Babel. Maybe at
Speaker 1: one point we were one people, we had one language,
Speaker 1: similar thing. Maybe we got to some level of hubris
Speaker 1: where we're like, okay, your language is split. Or what
Speaker 1: was the other one that I said? It was Tower
Speaker 1: of Babel Atlantis and that it doesn't really matter. I
Speaker 1: can't remember. I said a third one. I thought it
Speaker 1: was just those lucifer Oh oh yeah. Within the third
Speaker 1: one is Atlantis the idea that we were like a
Speaker 1: precursor of society, and we destroyed ourselves through black magic,
Speaker 1: through evil practices, through the left hand path, through you know,
Speaker 1: seeking to serve our ego, but we have these higher
Speaker 1: abilities of consciousness, magic, spiritual.
Speaker 2: It's the same story.
Speaker 1: It's the same story. It's just many different blueprints of
Speaker 1: it different. I think that there maybe is an argument
Speaker 1: that could be made that there are little whispers of
Speaker 1: the knowledge of Atlantis that are spread throughout ancient America,
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the Native Americans of you know, the
Speaker 1: US today, through Mexico, through South America, through you know, Canada,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to pull a couple of things
Speaker 1: from Manly P. Hall because Manley P. Hall is one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. This is from the Secret Teaching of
Speaker 1: All Ages. So keep in mind it's written in the
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. I'm just gonna read it word for word.
Speaker 1: But so this is, you know, kind of an archaic language.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so he says, the North American Indian is
Speaker 1: by nature is symbolist, a mystic, and a philosopher. Like
Speaker 1: most Aboriginal peoples, his soul was in rapport with the
Speaker 1: cosmic agencies manifesting about him. Not only did his mentos
Speaker 1: control creation from their exalted seats above the clouds, but
Speaker 1: they also descended into the world of men and mingled
Speaker 1: with their children, it says, their red children. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just reading a word for word. I know, I know.
Speaker 1: The gray clouds hanging over the horizon were the smoke
Speaker 1: from the calumets. I don't know how to say that word.
Speaker 1: The calumets of the gods who could build fires of
Speaker 1: petrified wood and use a comment for a flame. Interesting
Speaker 1: because you know, when you talk about HOOPI prophets. The
Speaker 1: American Indian peopled the forests, rivers, and sky with the
Speaker 1: myriads of superphysical and invisible beings. There are legends of
Speaker 1: entire tribes of Indians who lived in lake bottoms, of
Speaker 1: races who were never seen in the daytime, but who
Speaker 1: coming forth from their hidden caves, roam the earth at night,
Speaker 1: and waylaid unwary travelers. Also of bat Indians with human
Speaker 1: bodies and bat like wings, who lived in gloomy forests
Speaker 1: and inaccessible cliffs, and who slept hanging head downward from
Speaker 1: great branches and outcroppings of rock. The Red Men's philosophy
Speaker 1: of elemental creatures is apparently the outcome of his intimate
Speaker 1: contact with nature, whose inexplicable wonders become the generating cause
Speaker 1: of such metaphysical speculations. In common with the early Scandinavians,
Speaker 1: the Indians of North America considered the Earth, the Great Mother,
Speaker 1: to be an intermediate plain, bounded above by a heavenly sphere,
Speaker 1: the dwelling place of the Great Spirit, and below by
Speaker 1: a dark and terrifying subterranean world, the abode of shadows
Speaker 1: and of sub sub mundane powers. Like the Chaldeans, they
Speaker 1: divided the interval between the surface of Earth and heaven
Speaker 1: into various strata or layers, one consisting of clouds, another
Speaker 1: of the paths of the heavenly bodies, and so on.
Speaker 1: The underworld was similarly divided, and, like the Greek system,
Speaker 1: represented to the initiated House of the Lesser Mysteries, those
Speaker 1: creatures capable of functioning and two or more elements were
Speaker 1: considered as messages between the spirits of these various plains.
Speaker 1: The abode of the dead was presumed to be in
Speaker 1: a distant place in the heavens above, the earth, below,
Speaker 1: the distant corners of the world, or across wide seas.
Speaker 1: Sometimes a river flows between the world of the dead
Speaker 1: and that of the living, in this respect, paralleling Egyptian, Greek,
Speaker 1: and Christian theology. To the Indian, the number of four
Speaker 1: has a peculiar sanctity, presumably because the Great Spirit created
Speaker 1: his universe in a square frame. This is suggestion of
Speaker 1: the veneration accorded the tetrad by the Pythagoreans, who held
Speaker 1: it to be a fitting symbol of the Creator. The
Speaker 1: legendary narratives of the strange adventures of intrepid heroes, while
Speaker 1: in the physical body penetrated the realms of the dead
Speaker 1: proved beyond the question the presence of mystery cults among
Speaker 1: the North American men. Wherever the mysteries were established, they
Speaker 1: were recognized as the philosophic equivalence of death. For those
Speaker 1: passing through the rituals experienced all after death conditions while
Speaker 1: still in the physical body. At the consummation of the ritual,
Speaker 1: the initiate actually gained the ability to pass in and
Speaker 1: out of his physical body at will. This is the
Speaker 1: philosophic foundation for the allegories of adventures in the Indian
Speaker 1: Shadowland or the world of ghosts. So I think that
Speaker 1: there is this secret knowledge that has been like promulgated
Speaker 1: through all these different cultures in secret throughout the ancient
Speaker 1: path the past. And then you have you know, institutions
Speaker 1: like the Church, you know the royals of different countries
Speaker 1: and Europe, you know the dynasties in Asia and all
Speaker 1: these different countries that are like suppressing the knowledge that
Speaker 1: threatens the power structure at the time, which is like why,
Speaker 1: for example, oh, I forgot to even say the templars,
Speaker 1: Say the Christopher Columbus had the templar flag. He wasn't
Speaker 1: a templar. He had the flag on his ship because
Speaker 1: they knew even at the time that the Templars had
Speaker 1: been coming here for hundreds of years no way, so
Speaker 1: they're like, well, if we fly the Templar flag, they'll
Speaker 1: welcome us, no way.
Speaker 2: Yeah that is so then it was like well known
Speaker 2: back then, yeah, and it's not as well known now,
Speaker 2: Like it like that's not something I've never heard that
Speaker 2: this they're altering history. Oh that like sickens me a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even worse, like they would fly the flag
Speaker 1: just to show up and be like hey guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's pretty sick when you think about it. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's just it's it is.
Speaker 2: It is weird. What what's the motivation behind? Wow, we
Speaker 2: don't want anybody to know that that the Templars were
Speaker 2: here before Christopher Columbus.
Speaker 1: Well then I guess you know this great mission that
Speaker 1: they were embarking to do on behalf of He was Spanish, right,
Speaker 1: so it was like this Yeah, so it was this
Speaker 1: official it takes away the power from the kingdom, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was on Queen's business, right exactly. He was
Speaker 4: basically commissioned by the Queen of Spain, right.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the Templar is this secret mystery order. You know,
Speaker 1: they're a mystery tradition, which at the time they were
Speaker 1: considered heretics by the royal dynasties and by the Church. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in thirteen ninety seven, the King of France and the
Speaker 1: Pope got together, They're like, we got to burn them alive.
Speaker 1: They're heretics. They're they're subverting our power. They're building wealth
Speaker 1: that's higher than the combination of the Vatican and our
Speaker 1: kingdom our treasuries combined. And they're teaching all this mystical knowledge.
Speaker 1: But really they were traveling around the world and they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it would be deserving artifacts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be directly against their interest to let
Speaker 2: the people think or know I guess that, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Templars have already been there, Like they're already there
Speaker 2: because they're heretics. Why would they want their people to
Speaker 2: believe and know that, like the Templars already went there.
Speaker 2: If they're supposed to be evil and heretics and whatever,
Speaker 2: that'd be giving them power that they don't want their
Speaker 2: people to know that. You know.
Speaker 3: Man, it's kind of like the space race.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Christopher Columbus was born in Italy, but his
Speaker 4: is his voyages were sponsored by Spain, and that would
Speaker 4: have been there King for Nan and Queen Isabella, who
Speaker 4: provided him basically the ship's resources and money. So he
Speaker 4: was born in Italy and died in Spain.
Speaker 2: So he's Italian. Yeah, I don't know's ital.
Speaker 1: I thought he was Spanish. That's interesting.
Speaker 4: No, he died in Spain and born in Italy.
Speaker 2: I remember. I always remembered there being like some sort
Speaker 2: of misunderstanding there that like everyone thinks that he's Spanish,
Speaker 2: but he was actually just working on behalf of the
Speaker 2: Spanish or whatever. I mean. Well, he was sent to
Speaker 2: find India, right, that was the whole.
Speaker 4: That's what I was taught in school. Right that he
Speaker 4: thought he was going. He was just actually such a
Speaker 4: bad sailor that had founded a country.
Speaker 3: It's taking a.
Speaker 1: Really long time to get over here to was the wrong.
Speaker 2: Way in reality. He's a wrong way, literally the whole
Speaker 2: wrong in reality. He was just like I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: land it the first piece of land that I find
Speaker 2: and call it India. See.
Speaker 1: I think that's bs though, because the templars have a
Speaker 1: different story that they came over here for expansion and
Speaker 1: that they flew that flag to trick the natives. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean who knows who knows which one is true?
Speaker 1: You know, they're both I mean solid strategy, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: But I mean that was definitely the time of like
Speaker 2: conquest and expansion, so that wouldn't be a stretch to
Speaker 2: believe that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just trying to like, you know, expand.
Speaker 1: So it's it's interesting. I think I'm just really particularly
Speaker 1: interested in in like templar stuff lately. And I think
Speaker 1: when you pull that thread that they were in America first,
Speaker 1: it opens a lot of other doorways.
Speaker 2: It is fascinating. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: It's a completely alternate perspective.
Speaker 2: It also changes the history of the yeah, the world,
Speaker 2: but like specifically America. When when you think about the
Speaker 2: history of America, because we think about it as these
Speaker 2: these you know, peaceful natives living here and their culture
Speaker 2: and then Christopher Columbus was the first one to show
Speaker 2: up first, dude. Ever, Yeah, yeah, they never you know,
Speaker 2: the stories are always like, you know, the Native Americans
Speaker 2: saw Christopher Columbus's ships, and their brains couldn't even comprehend
Speaker 2: what they were seeing, so they were invisible, like, which
Speaker 2: is so bogus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's bull crap.
Speaker 2: So but you know people believe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. So okay, you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: What I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: How like the they say, like the Native America freaking
Speaker 2: literally couldn't see the Well, there are eyeballs. It's like,
Speaker 2: that's not how eyeballs work, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think that there are a lot of
Speaker 1: preposterous lives that have been perpetuated on humany. And I
Speaker 1: think your comment about the space race is interesting because
Speaker 1: wasn't it Russia who made it to space first?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So then we're like, well, we're going to go farther, We're.
Speaker 3: Going to go to the moon.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Then we're gonna get how we did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're gonna forget how we get itbrick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we're gonna have video in public
Speaker 1: domain of astronauts telling elementary school children we have no
Speaker 1: clue how to even get past Van Allen radiation belt.
Speaker 1: It's like all right, but anyway, so back to the
Speaker 1: Native American stuff. I just think it's fascinating. You pull
Speaker 1: that thread, the Templar thing, and then you know it's
Speaker 1: like there's there's obviously a part of history there that
Speaker 1: we've never explored. And then you start looking at their
Speaker 1: other stuff. It's like, whoa they're talking about they had
Speaker 1: the bones of Jesus. Oh that stuff, you know, and
Speaker 1: the arcs coming in and you know that they've been
Speaker 1: like being cohorts with tribes in Mexico and Native America
Speaker 1: for hundreds of years. I think it's very fascinating. So
Speaker 1: back to my premise.
Speaker 4: Question, and I'm trying to keep track as best I can.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of buttons over here. Do you think
Speaker 4: that the Templar Knights propelled the spiritual growth of the
Speaker 4: Native Americans? Or do you think the Native Americans propelled
Speaker 4: the spiritual growth of the Templar Knights? Or do you
Speaker 4: think that they were communicating in the astral realm, knew
Speaker 4: the secret handshake and eventually.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, If I'm being realistic, I think
Speaker 1: that they just probably had had a similar vibe, similar
Speaker 1: practices and beliefs, and they got along, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like kind of real recognized as real
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're like, hmmm, I'll meet you
Speaker 1: in the astral I mean.
Speaker 4: But if you think about it, I don't think it's
Speaker 4: that far off. I really don't know.
Speaker 2: And there certainly could have been some sort of like
Speaker 2: symbiotic growth between both.
Speaker 1: Learn from each other. Absolutely, I definitely think that happens,
Speaker 1: because I mean mystics are learning.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, Like I think that I think that two people,
Speaker 4: I mean we're talking Monroe here, two people on different
Speaker 4: sides of the world doing the same meditative practice to
Speaker 4: the same frequencies could end up in the same place.
Speaker 4: So you have Native Americans European Templar knights doing a
Speaker 4: meditative practice reaching the same like level of enlightenment and
Speaker 4: then kind of seeking one another out through maybe premeditation,
Speaker 4: through maybe destiny or manifestation. For sure, Yeah, I can.
Speaker 5: Agree with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely could have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like, for example, I know we're all
Speaker 1: over the place here, but whatever what I'm saying spiritual
Speaker 1: they're spiritual masters and yeah, or they're like I'm the
Speaker 1: same the focus of it's like a high con concentration
Speaker 1: of spirituality. They're on the same frequency, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Right, And like if you go to Rosicrucians,
Speaker 1: for example, completely different order. If you go to like
Speaker 1: the Amo RC, which is the I don't know what
Speaker 1: you'd call it, like the Foundation or whatever. That is
Speaker 1: the American Rosicrucian order today, the ancient mystic Order of
Speaker 1: rose crusis. You go to their website, you scour through
Speaker 1: all the free available texts, you start reading through the documents,
Speaker 1: and there's a document on there. It might not be
Speaker 1: a free one now that I think about it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: but there's a document on there that gives you a
Speaker 1: very in depth list of every order in the ancient
Speaker 1: past that like influenced and progressed Rosicrucianism.
Speaker 2: Oh cool.
Speaker 1: So they're openly telling you like the Greeks, the Pythagorea
Speaker 1: Mystery School, the Persians, the Vedas, uh you know, the
Speaker 1: sufiis Alena Blovotsky even uh you know, they're telling you
Speaker 1: everything that has like advanced the order throughout time. So,
Speaker 1: like I think, to answer your question, like the myst
Speaker 1: the true seekers of mystical knowledge, even these orders are
Speaker 1: always like a adopting what works. It's like a scientist, right,
Speaker 1: you test theories or like Monroe. You know, they tell you.
Speaker 1: They're like, they're like, go find out for yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go go explore, adding it to their arsenal. They're
Speaker 2: adding the stuff that works to their arsenal.
Speaker 1: Well, this shit's real, I might as well use it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as long as it's good and it's not like some
Speaker 1: negative dark thing obviously that's implied, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But and in terms of them like knowing the
Speaker 2: same handshake and stuff, I think, yes, it's it's totally
Speaker 2: possible they could have been like communicating in some other realm.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's possible.
Speaker 2: It's also possible that maybe the source information is the same.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting.
Speaker 2: At, Like Atlantis, it all came from way way way
Speaker 2: back before.
Speaker 1: All exactly the point I'm trying to make, And.
Speaker 2: That's where it comes from. Yeah, So like they're actually
Speaker 2: just studying the same stuff because it's all the same
Speaker 2: source and they just have different languages to describe it.
Speaker 2: But then when they wrap up, it's the same.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, The answer to this handshake question,
Speaker 4: it would also be the answer to the Egypt in
Speaker 4: South American.
Speaker 1: The pyramids exactly. Yeah, that's the whole point I've been
Speaker 1: trying to make is that it stands the reason, like
Speaker 1: the only reason I brought up the templars, you know,
Speaker 1: coming over and having a kinship with natives of the Americas,
Speaker 1: and like even having similar handshakes in some cultures in
Speaker 1: the Americas, and them recognizing each other as brothers of
Speaker 1: their orders and being allowed to participate in their ceremonies
Speaker 1: and rituals. There has to be some sort of similar
Speaker 1: lineage of knowledge. That was my whole theory. You nailed
Speaker 1: it right on that. My whole idea was like, well,
Speaker 1: what if Atlantis doesn't just translate to like Tibet and Egypt,
Speaker 1: but you know, Mexico. Every culture really, yeah, exactly like
Speaker 1: every culture. Yeah yeah, including Native Americans. So enough about that,
Speaker 1: you get the point. I do want to hit a
Speaker 1: little bit more of the Manley p. Hall thing because
Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting. These are much shorter excerpts
Speaker 1: but fascinate.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: The mythologies of many nations contain accounts of gods who
Speaker 1: came out of the sea. Certain shamans among the American
Speaker 1: Indians tell of holy men dressed in birds feathers and
Speaker 1: wampum who rose. I don't know what wampum is, but
Speaker 1: I've heard that word many times. And Wampum who rose
Speaker 1: out of the blue waters and instructed them in the
Speaker 1: arts and crafts. Among the legends of the Chaldeans is
Speaker 1: that of Owanus, a partly amphibious creature who came out
Speaker 1: of the sea and taught the savage peoples along the
Speaker 1: shore to read and write, till the soil cultivate herbs
Speaker 1: for healing study the stars, established rational forms of government,
Speaker 1: and become conversant with the sacred mysteries among the mayas
Speaker 1: quetzel Coodal or kuco Kan. The savior god, who some
Speaker 1: Christian scholars believed to have been Saint Thomas, issued from
Speaker 1: the waters, and after instructing the people in the essentials
Speaker 1: of civilization, wrote out to see on a magic raft
Speaker 1: of serpents to escape the wrath of the fierce god
Speaker 1: of the fiery mirror. Tezcatlipoca. May not have been these
Speaker 1: demi gods of a fabulous age who esdras like came
Speaker 1: out of the sea, or Atlantean priests. All that primitive
Speaker 1: man remembered of the Atlanteans was the glory of their
Speaker 1: golden ornaments, the transcendency of their wisdom and the sanctity
Speaker 1: of their symbols, the Cross and the serpent. That they
Speaker 1: came in ships was soon forgotten, for untutored minds considered
Speaker 1: even boats as supernatural. Wherever the Atlanteans prosulied, they erected
Speaker 1: pyramids and temples patterned after the Great Sanctuary in the
Speaker 1: City of the Golden Gates, which is believed to have
Speaker 1: existed in Atlantis, such as the ramid excuse me, the
Speaker 1: origin of the pyramids of Egypt, Mexico, and Central America.
Speaker 1: The mounds in Normandy and Britain, as well as those
Speaker 1: of the American Indians, are remnants of a similar culture.
Speaker 1: You have like the Serpent Mount in Ohio. Right in
Speaker 1: the midst of the Atlantean program of world colonization and conversion,
Speaker 1: the cataclysms which Saint Atlantis began. The initiate priests of
Speaker 1: the Sacred Feather, who promised to come back to their
Speaker 1: missionary settlements, never returned, and after the lapse of centuries,
Speaker 1: tradition preserved only a fantastic account of gods who came
Speaker 1: from a place where the sea now is. So basically,
Speaker 1: what he's saying here is like what we talked about
Speaker 1: the idea that there was some precursor society, or we
Speaker 1: existed in a different race entirely where maybe.
Speaker 4: We were more spiritual.
Speaker 1: There's so many theories on Atlantis ye that over time
Speaker 1: we really were disseminating this knowledge freely around the world.
Speaker 1: There was a cataclysm that wiped this out, and now
Speaker 1: that story is preserved in the.
Speaker 2: Mythology through mythology, the myths of gods and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's like we talk about with mythology all the
Speaker 2: time that it's like archetypal symbology. Yeah, it's not it's
Speaker 2: most likely not literal, but it's a good way to
Speaker 2: you know, because gods are like humanoid, we can relate
Speaker 2: to gods. We can somewhat fathom and understand gods. It's
Speaker 2: like somewhat relatable. So it's like easy to wrap our
Speaker 2: minds around. But it's a it's like sort of a
Speaker 2: fantastic way to describe. No, we just had like the
Speaker 2: knowledge and we had the technology and we lost it.
Speaker 1: I think that truth we talk about this all the time.
Speaker 1: It's not like breaking news or anything, but truth has
Speaker 1: contained a metaphor, yeah, an allegory. It's like there was
Speaker 1: this old A life of LEVI quote not necessarily, you know,
Speaker 1: if I if I quote a character, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I like love everything they about. And I got their
Speaker 1: address and I'm sending a mail. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: they have done research into a particular subject and they're
Speaker 1: saying something that you know, broken clocks, broken clocks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they exactly, But a life is LEVI love him or
Speaker 1: hate him. Something he said that I think is very
Speaker 1: profound and is very true is allegory is the mother
Speaker 1: of all dogma. Yeah, in other words, all mythological and
Speaker 1: religious dogma or truth rather comes from allegory. Parable that
Speaker 1: even says in the Bible that Jesus spake in parables. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Lord knows, I don't like this guy, but every
Speaker 1: now and then, a broken clock is right twice a day.
Speaker 1: Aleister Crowley one of the most you know, disturbing human
Speaker 1: beings around, at least in the information that you know,
Speaker 1: we all have access to. Right, he has a very
Speaker 1: very nasty body of material out there. But there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things that he've said that I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's actually true.
Speaker 2: Right, Truth is truth, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was something that he talks about and
Speaker 1: I do think that this is inherently true. Like another
Speaker 1: way to say it is, I don't think it takes
Speaker 1: a bad just just because somebody is bad and someone's evil,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you throw out everything truth, truth
Speaker 1: is truth, far and be right literally exactly. Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1: You can. You can. People can say things, and they
Speaker 1: can they can be horribly you don't like them, but
Speaker 1: they still can say things that are true. And this
Speaker 1: is one of those things that particularly that he said
Speaker 1: that I do think is true. And his belief was
Speaker 1: that through ritual through rather through ritual enactment of the
Speaker 1: It's like through a drama, ritualistic enactment of the life
Speaker 1: and death of a god, you resurrect its energy into
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which would make sense why a lot of these
Speaker 1: orders like Freemasons or even like in Yale and Scold
Speaker 1: and Bones they did this ship or all these other orders.
Speaker 1: You know, even in church every Easter, you know, you
Speaker 1: watch the freaking you know, all the little kids get
Speaker 1: up and they sing about the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Speaker 1: Everyone's doing this. Everyone's doing ritual drama enactment of the
Speaker 1: life and the death of their God. Why always, because
Speaker 1: it's resurrecting the energy into our life, into our being.
Speaker 1: We're connecting with that archetypal resonance.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so the reason you know, they say, like, uh,
Speaker 2: in America, like people only go to church on Easter
Speaker 2: and Christmas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called being a ceo. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it brings the energy back up, like you know,
Speaker 2: that's it's one of the big surges of energy in
Speaker 2: the year that you know, it's that resurrected energy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all the energy around the thought of the resurrection, it's
Speaker 2: is literally culminating an actual energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People watch the passion in the Christ they weep tears
Speaker 1: because they're sitting there and they're uh fetishizing the torture
Speaker 1: and dismemberment of their God, you know, and that sounds horrible,
Speaker 1: but I mean again, Jesus, or rather in the Bible,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, one of the thing commandments, don't
Speaker 1: make a graven image of me. All right, well, now
Speaker 1: we all were necklace Jesus.
Speaker 2: Jesus.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like there there is sort of a
Speaker 1: little bit of like a fetish say it for me,
Speaker 1: fetishization of the slaughter of our of our God, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's like, why are we
Speaker 1: doing that? Because it's it's perpetuating an archetypal energy. You
Speaker 1: could say it's morphogenetic resident whatever. Anyway, I'm going on
Speaker 1: a tangent there. So back to uh, back to Native Americans.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it can be argued that there you know
Speaker 1: that this Atlantean wisdom was transmitted through Native American culture, which,
Speaker 1: weirdly enough, is something that I'd never thought about in
Speaker 1: my life until a few months ago when I started
Speaker 1: having some conversations with some templar people kind of going
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole. Then started doing research for this episode.
Speaker 1: Reading Manly Pahall, I'm like, dang, that makes sense. So
Speaker 1: I read one more quote from It's the Smallest One,
Speaker 1: and it's from the Secret Teachings of All Ages. Again,
Speaker 1: the Indian does not worship the sun. He rather regards
Speaker 1: this shining orb as an appropriate symbol of the great
Speaker 1: and good Spirit who forever radiates life to his children,
Speaker 1: an Indian symbolism. The serpent, especially the Great Serpent, corroborates
Speaker 1: other evidence pointing to the presence of the mysteries on
Speaker 1: the North American continent. The flying serpent is the Atlantean
Speaker 1: token of the initiate. The seven headed Snake represents the
Speaker 1: seven Great Atlantean Cities and also the seven great prehistoric
Speaker 1: schools of esoteric philosophy. Moreover, who can doubt the presence
Speaker 1: of the Secret Doctrine in the Americas when he gazes
Speaker 1: upon the Great Serpent Mound in Adams County, Ohio, where
Speaker 1: the huge reptile is represented as disgorging the egg of existence.
Speaker 1: Many American Indian tribes are reincarnationists. Some are transmigrationists, which
Speaker 1: is the idea that the soul is, you know, moving
Speaker 1: through different phases of existence. It's kind of a similar
Speaker 1: thing to reincarnation, is slightly different. Anyway, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: pivot now because that actually took a lot longer than
Speaker 1: I thought it would, and still haven't gone into the
Speaker 1: Lakota or the Cherokee. So anyway, all right, it's no
Speaker 1: secret that my family's experiences are very like worldwide, very
Speaker 1: heavily compared to the Lakota tribe. Are you guys familiar
Speaker 1: with this? Vaguely so not at all? Really, I thought
Speaker 1: we talked about that. That's great news because now you're
Speaker 1: gonna know why. So the Lakota people, I think they're
Speaker 1: also known as the Sioux the Sue, you know, if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, they're the same people's. If I do
Speaker 1: not remember correctly, I am ashamed. The Lakota people have
Speaker 1: a prophecy, and it's actually the origin of the peace pipe.
Speaker 1: You know, you always see these things about like Native
Speaker 1: American smoking peace pipes. So this is where it comes from.
Speaker 1: So I think it's probably better if I read it
Speaker 1: because it's hard for me to memorize exact like to
Speaker 1: describe all the details of it. But essentially it involves
Speaker 1: the lady right, So an ancient time, this is the
Speaker 1: myth like the Lakota people's version or account of you
Speaker 1: know what happened. So in ancient times, when the Lakota
Speaker 1: people were starving, Chiefs Standing hollow Horn sent two scouts
Speaker 1: to search for game. As they traveled, a radiant woman
Speaker 1: appeared walking in a white cloud. She was beautiful beyond
Speaker 1: human description. One of the scouts was overtaken with lust
Speaker 1: as he approached her with impure intent, A mysterious mist
Speaker 1: enveloped him. When it cleared, his body was nothing but bones.
Speaker 1: The other scout Awe struck and reverent lowered his gaze.
Speaker 1: She spoke to him, calling him brother and telling him
Speaker 1: to return to his people and prepare for her coming.
Speaker 1: When she arrived at the look Coda village, she brought
Speaker 1: with her the sacred pipe or the Chanoonpa, which is
Speaker 1: like the peace pipe, and taught them the ways of
Speaker 1: living in harmony with the wakan Tonka or the Great Mystery,
Speaker 1: the Great Mystery.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, you know that's set awful little thing in
Speaker 2: my brain. Tooeah was Great Mystery.
Speaker 1: The Great Mystery, or the Creator. She stayed for four days,
Speaker 1: during which she transmitted profound spiritual teachings. Before she left,
Speaker 1: she told them that she would return some day when
Speaker 1: the world needs her most. And as she departed, she
Speaker 1: rolled on the earth and transformed into a white buffalo calf,
Speaker 1: disappearing into the horizon. The sacred pipe she brings connects
Speaker 1: the sky in the earth, the masculine and the feminine.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, there's a little stick the masculine,
Speaker 1: and then there's a little bowl that receives the tobacco.
Speaker 1: It's the feminine and they're connected. Whoa, It's like the
Speaker 1: sky and the earth, connecting it coming one and you ritualistically,
Speaker 1: you know, smoke the tobacco through this pipe and it
Speaker 1: brings you peace. So it represents the masculine and the feminine,
Speaker 1: the visible and the invisible, just as the tree of life,
Speaker 1: the axis moondy, or the cross does in other traditions,
Speaker 1: right or it's also the idea of a mun ra
Speaker 1: the invisible and the visible aspect of God. The idea
Speaker 1: that there's a visible spiritual sun that is a like
Speaker 1: the raw aspect of creation. But then there's ammun which
Speaker 1: is the invisible portion. You know that there's the element
Speaker 1: of creation that we can't see, we can't sense. It's
Speaker 1: like the force, you know, it's all around us. The
Speaker 1: natives have of America, that is, they have this concept,
Speaker 1: you know, the great Spirit in the sky, like it's
Speaker 1: everywhere you know, we breathe. It's it gives us life.
Speaker 1: She taught the seven Sacred Rites when she was there
Speaker 1: for four days, allegedly n ep the sweat Lodge ceremony.
Speaker 1: We all know about that one. I would love to
Speaker 1: do that someday. Actually, purification through steam symbolizing rebirth in
Speaker 1: the womb of Mother Earth. I don't even know how
Speaker 1: to pronounce this one, but I'm gonna try. Hum bleed
Speaker 1: che yap be. The vision quest a rite of passage,
Speaker 1: seeking guidance or purpose through solitude and fasting. They're getting harder.
Speaker 1: We we want We won Young Wachipi the Sun Dance,
Speaker 1: a powerful ceremony of sacrifice, endurance, and renewal of the
Speaker 1: sacred covenant with the wakon Tonka or the great mystery,
Speaker 1: the creator, the honka, the making of relatives, creating bonds
Speaker 1: stronger than blood. The ritual adoption that strengthens community. So
Speaker 1: it's like brotherhood. You know, you're you're increasing your spiritual family.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of like you know, these orders
Speaker 1: right us not the a we chaalo Wampi, the coming
Speaker 1: of age ceremony for girls, honoring the sacred cycle and
Speaker 1: roll of women as life givers. The thappa one kai
Speaker 1: ya Yapi the throwing of the ball ceremony, the symbolic
Speaker 1: game where a girl throws a ball in four directions,
Speaker 1: teaching the pursuit of wisdom and balance. And then the
Speaker 1: Wanagi Yappi, the soul keeping ceremony. It's a ritual that
Speaker 1: honors this of the dead and helps them transition to
Speaker 1: the afterlife, and she imparted upon people. Several prophecies, these irrelevant.
Speaker 1: The prophecy of the Black Snake. The black snake will
Speaker 1: come and it will cross the land, bringing death and
Speaker 1: destruction with it. This is interpreted as an oil pipeline,
Speaker 1: bringing environmental destruction and threatening sacred lands and waters. Many
Speaker 1: people actually believe that maybe do you remember the Dakota
Speaker 1: Access pipeline years ago? They believe maybe that's it. I mean,
Speaker 1: how can we know for sure, But people were freaking,
Speaker 1: this is it. It's the black snake. You know. It
Speaker 1: goes really far across the country, and it was devastating
Speaker 1: to people's sacred land. It was like a serious thing
Speaker 1: back then. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like devastating.
Speaker 1: It was like relocating sacred sites against their will.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The prophecy foretells that many will rise up to stop it,
Speaker 1: and a great spiritual awakening will follow. Timeline checks out
Speaker 1: the black snake is also symbolic of greed, technological imbalance,
Speaker 1: and the disconnection from nature. Prophecy number two, the return
Speaker 1: of the white buffalo calf woman. I think that's already happening.
Speaker 1: The white buffalo calf woman promised that she would return
Speaker 1: doing during a time of great need, when the earth
Speaker 1: is sick, the animals are dying, and the people have
Speaker 1: forgotten the sacred ways. The birth of the white buffalo calves.
Speaker 1: By the way, like two or three have been born
Speaker 1: in the last few years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say last year one was born.
Speaker 2: I've seen the articles and stuff. Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 2: uncanny that it's happened so frequently in the past.
Speaker 1: Comes extremely rare, right, And I think I think it
Speaker 1: was two. I think two have been born in the
Speaker 1: last five years. One was born last year. The internet
Speaker 1: was freaking out. It's the return of the white buffalo calf. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, duh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, I think it's in Israel, there's a similar prophecy,
Speaker 1: but it's about the birth of the red heifer, which
Speaker 1: has also happened. I think prophecy everywhere is starting to
Speaker 1: it's all aligning, you know, Like I think many different
Speaker 1: cultural prophecies are simultaneously becoming true, and I think they're
Speaker 1: all connected. Right, So the birth of the buffalo calf
Speaker 1: is seen as the fulfillment of this prophecy, signaling the
Speaker 1: return of the white buffalo calf. Women into the world.
Speaker 1: They are said to mark attorney point in the balance,
Speaker 1: offering an opportunity for healing, unity, the reawakening of our
Speaker 1: connection to nature and the Great Mystery. Actually, apparently multiple
Speaker 1: have been seen since the nineteen nineties, but I mean
Speaker 1: literally one was born last year. I was posting about
Speaker 1: it on Instagram, almost story the Time of the Rainbow Warriors.
Speaker 1: This is my favorite one. So this prophecy is not
Speaker 1: technically originating from Lakota, but it's embraced by Lakota elders.
Speaker 1: There will come a time when people of all colors, creeds,
Speaker 1: and backgrounds will come together to protect the earth. They
Speaker 1: will be called the Rainbow Warriors, many colors of the Rainbow,
Speaker 1: you know, people from all these different religious and spiritual
Speaker 1: faiths coming together to bring forth the Great Mystery back
Speaker 1: into the world. So we're the Warriors of the Rainbow.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: They're not soldiers, but peaceful protectors of life, spirit and earth.
Speaker 1: Says ancient knowledge will awaken in people from many nations.
Speaker 1: It reflects the cross cultural resurgence of indigenous wisdom, plant medicine.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, not time and ancestral connection.
Speaker 5: You like, well, sorry, I'm backtracking a little bit, back
Speaker 5: to the prophecy. Please, it just rang a bell because
Speaker 5: I'm I'm sure I remembered that there was some sort
Speaker 5: of Native American prophecy about a time of spiritual awakening
Speaker 5: happening that coincided with a man in a red hat.
Speaker 5: That's hope And I just googled it to check it,
Speaker 5: and not only it's even more crazy than I thought,
Speaker 5: it says that, but it also says in addition to
Speaker 5: the red hatted figure, the prophecy speaks of two mighty
Speaker 5: and wise assistants, one carrying the swastika sign. There's the
Speaker 5: holy little Musk thing. Remember that I remember I do.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, God.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, but so elaborate on the prophecy. It's saying
Speaker 1: that these are things that will happen, that will be
Speaker 1: signs that wait, let me read it. Yeah, whoa. And
Speaker 1: that's just to be clear, that's Hopeye prophecy, which, yeah.
Speaker 5: The Hopey prophecy about money in a red hat is
Speaker 5: a significant element within the spiritual and cultural traditions of
Speaker 5: the Hopee people. According to the prophecy, and money in
Speaker 5: a red hat will emerge during a time of great
Speaker 5: upheaval and transformation bringing about a period of purification and change.
Speaker 1: Who interesting, that's deep. They also had the the Kachinka comments,
Speaker 1: the red and the blue comets, which they call them kachinka,
Speaker 1: and I think it was last year or the year
Speaker 1: before one of those happened. It was like a significant
Speaker 1: celestial event. Alex and I were talking about it on
Speaker 1: full disclosure. I cannot quote that exactly which episode that
Speaker 1: was because we don't even write descriptions in them, But
Speaker 1: there wasn't an episode where we almost entirely.
Speaker 2: Talked about meteor comments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the hope. He said that there would be a
Speaker 1: blue and a red comment. They call him Kachinka, and
Speaker 1: it's like a great sign in the heavens that win
Speaker 1: this blue comet, and then it's either the red one
Speaker 1: first and then the blue one or I can't remember
Speaker 1: which order. And a few years ago there was a
Speaker 1: comment it might have been last year, I really can't remember.
Speaker 1: It was in the old apartment that we just moved from.
Speaker 1: Last year. There was a major common event that at
Speaker 1: that time everyone was hyped about, and me and Alex
Speaker 1: did a whole full disclosure basically about it. I remember talking
Speaker 1: about Kachinka and the Hopey prophecy, and we went through
Speaker 1: the several We might have even talked about the red
Speaker 1: hat thing back then. We didn't.
Speaker 4: No, that's news to me.
Speaker 1: I've talked about that with somebody I can't remember who.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think we've talked about that on air.
Speaker 4: I do remember talking about the comments. It was just
Speaker 4: a while ago, probably fifty to fifty episodes ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, at least what if the comments, the comments represent
Speaker 5: the Red and the Blue parties?
Speaker 1: Maybe I never thought about that so thought, yeah, yeah, there's.
Speaker 2: A lot of discord.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that shit falling apart anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there was a blue comment though, Yeah, there was.
Speaker 1: It actually was was that around the time we did
Speaker 1: the full disclosure. Let me look it up, man, might
Speaker 1: as well. I'm just gonna type Kachinka comment, even though
Speaker 1: they didn't call it that. But I'm uh, nah, this
Speaker 1: is from five years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it wouldn't have been that.
Speaker 1: Oh they call it kachina. I've been sitting here saying Kachinka.
Speaker 1: It's Kachina. But I know there was a comment a
Speaker 1: year or two ago. Uh, it might be hard for
Speaker 1: me to find right now. On the fly, I would
Speaker 1: probably have to do some more digging, but uh, I
Speaker 1: want to say it was last year, dude.
Speaker 2: It is pretty wild all of these different like prophecies
Speaker 2: all kind of happening all around the same time from
Speaker 2: different cultures, different places, like in the world.
Speaker 1: Like the idea of this blue the Blue Star Kachina, right,
Speaker 1: the Hope you belief is that when this star comes
Speaker 1: and brings a great sign in the heavens, that it's
Speaker 1: the breaking down of the Fourth World. And I'm still
Speaker 1: gonna get into that. I haven't gotten to. That's part
Speaker 1: of the prophecies. It's the breaking down of the fourth
Speaker 1: world and the signaling, the signaling of the beginning of
Speaker 1: the fourth World, which is like basically their equivalent of
Speaker 1: the Age. I mean, did I say the Fourth World again?
Speaker 1: I meant the Fifth World, which is basically the age
Speaker 1: of aquaries. So anyway, so the four ages of humanity, right,
Speaker 1: there's a similarity between the Hope and the Lakota. There's
Speaker 1: four distinct ages of worlds, and then the coming Age
Speaker 1: is the fifth world. With each world there's a cataclysm
Speaker 1: and a rebirth. So the first world, it was long
Speaker 1: ago we were in harmony with nature. People in animals
Speaker 1: speak the same language. Second World division, conflict, forgetting the sacred,
Speaker 1: the third world materialism and violence, rise of Empires. I
Speaker 1: think that was probably two thousand years ago when the
Speaker 1: empires started coming up, the Roman Empire, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: The Bible was written. The fourth world, the current age.
Speaker 1: We're spiritually sick, we're disconnected from nature. The fifth world
Speaker 1: is the coming age, which is the time of restoration,
Speaker 1: spiritual renewal and unity with the earth. It's like Aquarius,
Speaker 1: you know. And the idea is that when the white
Speaker 1: buffalo calf woman returns to the world, that will be
Speaker 1: entering the age of the Fifth World. Ah Aquarius, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. They say that there are signs of the
Speaker 1: earth being sick and the call forever the Rainbow Warriors
Speaker 1: from around the world to return to their ancient truths
Speaker 1: and began, you know, the process of healing the world.
Speaker 1: So the mysterious signs are like animals dying suddenly and
Speaker 1: mysterious the unnatural weather patterns, the disappearance of important parts
Speaker 1: of the ecosystem like birds and bees, fires and floods
Speaker 1: across the land. Hello, and people forgetting how to pray.
Speaker 2: It's all happening, yeah, I mean that we've just had
Speaker 2: what this year or last year, when was it in
Speaker 2: the Appalachian Mountains. There was it was a it was
Speaker 2: a flood that happened up in the mountains of North
Speaker 2: Carolina September of last year that they were calling like
Speaker 2: a thousand year flood. Like it was such a rare flood.
Speaker 2: I mean, flooding in the mountains is like whatd of
Speaker 2: And there were entire cities just wiped off the face
Speaker 2: of the mountains, places that you know, we've all visited
Speaker 2: our entire lives, like growing up as kids and stuff,
Speaker 2: like a generational A thousand year storm swept through and
Speaker 2: flooded like so rare, and it came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: For a lot of people, it was the end of
Speaker 1: the world. Oh, there was like twelve thousand people reported missing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the news only reported that like one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: people died.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Oh no, when you see the damage, I
Speaker 2: mean there were it wasn't just the cities being taken
Speaker 2: away is already insane. Roads were collapsing and just like
Speaker 2: like falling into the earth like it was cataclysmic.
Speaker 1: It was like if you could imagine like a general
Speaker 1: store in a small town. Entire stores like the size
Speaker 1: of my house or bigger were floating down gone water gone.
Speaker 2: Literally floating.
Speaker 1: There are some small towns that were completely wiped off
Speaker 1: the map. They are gone, every building completely gone. When
Speaker 1: the water drained, there was nothing left. Nothing cataclysmic. This
Speaker 1: was justin December. It was like a national crisis in America.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was people from They were sending the National Guard,
Speaker 2: they were sending people from all over the country here
Speaker 2: to help with it.
Speaker 1: And then we had the fires in California, yep.
Speaker 3: And that's a whole.
Speaker 1: Other thing there. You talk to anybody there, they're like,
Speaker 1: something's fishy about that. Some people think they were trying
Speaker 1: to I don't have Yeah, I mean I have. I
Speaker 1: have friends in Hollywood who were like thinking, oh, I.
Speaker 4: Have theories people above them.
Speaker 1: Well that too. I don't know about that. But I
Speaker 1: have friends in Hollywood, like Hollywood people who were like,
Speaker 1: motherfuckers above us, we're trying to wipe us out. You know,
Speaker 1: we always think about.
Speaker 2: Hollywood as there was videos of people like setting things
Speaker 2: on fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot, doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: A lot of videos of people intentionally setting things on fire.
Speaker 2: A lot of videos, Yeah, in California, not just a
Speaker 2: video or two, like a bunch of videos scary.
Speaker 1: That's totally insane. Yeah, totally insane. Yeah, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty safe to say that we're in the
Speaker 1: fourth world and the fifth world is coming. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about how I heard about the Lakota
Speaker 1: prophecy really quick, and then I'm gonna move on to
Speaker 1: Cherokee really quick. And then I mean, I'm shocked in
Speaker 1: an hour and think I did this much material here.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, you guys carry me through that one.
Speaker 1: The Lakota People prophecy was brought to my attention by
Speaker 1: Jim Zimmy Van and the Sea. There was a time
Speaker 1: when Tom DeLong was courting us. I know, you guys,
Speaker 1: we've talked about that in the early stages of the show.
Speaker 1: He was getting real chummy with us. He was trying
Speaker 1: to like, you know, be involved with us, and for
Speaker 1: various reasons that didn't pan out, thank christ. Right, And
Speaker 1: something at the time that they were very interested in
Speaker 1: was the white Buffalo calf woman. And they were like
Speaker 1: genuinely of the belief that that apparition because it is
Speaker 1: it's a genuine apparition. Just like the Lady of Guadalupe
Speaker 1: or Lords France or Fatima right Portugal. There's a genuine
Speaker 1: belief in the CIA and the I guess you could
Speaker 1: say the military or the whoever, the upper echelon of
Speaker 1: society are the invisible college, whatever you want to call
Speaker 1: these people. They believe that the white buffalo calf woman
Speaker 1: is one of the many appearances of the lady. They
Speaker 1: consider it a very real of that is connected to
Speaker 1: our event.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it lines up almost exactly like it's it's.
Speaker 1: The same exact probably the same thing. Yeah, and their
Speaker 1: primitive language. I mean, this was probably hundreds of years ago, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact date, to be honest, I
Speaker 1: didn't to look that up. But so I thought that
Speaker 1: was very interesting, and then I might get into the
Speaker 1: Cherokee people, and I want to expand on that. But again,
Speaker 1: I was having this conversation with Jim Simmy Van. I know,
Speaker 1: people probably at home listening know exactly who that is.
Speaker 1: But he's this high level he's he's one of the
Speaker 1: highest level figures in the CIA. He's like a program director.
Speaker 1: We were in New York City having a conversation with him,
Speaker 1: and he was like do you guys have any Cherokee
Speaker 1: roots in your ancestry And we're like, yeah, actually we do.
Speaker 1: He was like, interesting, we think that that could have
Speaker 1: something to do with the phenomenon. And we're like what
Speaker 1: does that mean? And they're like, well, we just know
Speaker 1: that a lot of people with experiences in their lives
Speaker 1: tend to after doing a little bit of research, have
Speaker 1: Cherokee ancestry. Personally, you know, I've had a lot of
Speaker 1: experience with the phenomenon. I would, you know, wager a
Speaker 1: lot more than them. Where their eggheads and laboratories, asking
Speaker 1: people questions and they're trying to reach answers Like I'm
Speaker 1: a kid playing Xbox and my dad runs in my room.
Speaker 1: He's like get out right now. And you know, we're
Speaker 1: seeing the shit and I've seen it with thousands of people.
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about this on the main show. I've
Speaker 1: kind of been thinking lately, I actually do want to,
Speaker 1: even though I said I don't, but contact in the
Speaker 1: desert this for example, we just literally skywatched with a
Speaker 1: thousand people. That's one night Azelia Fest a few months ago,
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty people in one night Riverfest, two
Speaker 1: hundred people and there's so many other events, Like I
Speaker 1: have literally skywatched with thousands of people in my life.
Speaker 1: Y'all have at this point, or if not a thousand,
Speaker 1: close to it. There is no possible way that of
Speaker 1: the thousands of people that I've seen in my life,
Speaker 1: that every one of them have seen the phenomenon that
Speaker 1: they all got terokey. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some weird correlation there, but I don't think
Speaker 1: that necessarily has anything to do with it now. But
Speaker 1: he was telling me, he was like, looking at the Cherokee,
Speaker 1: looking at their spiritual belief we believe. When I say we,
Speaker 1: I mean like the people in the program, right, the
Speaker 1: CIA whatever, they believe that the ancient spiritual beliefs have
Speaker 1: to do with the study of uphology in the phenomenon,
Speaker 1: and they believe that the Cherokee people really we're interacting
Speaker 1: with the phenomenon, not just folk tale, but like really yeah.
Speaker 1: So I got to think and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. What are the I guess you could
Speaker 1: say folklore or spiritual beliefs? Yeah, of the Cherokee people.
Speaker 1: So they have a three world cosmology. There are three
Speaker 1: realms of existence, the upper world, which is the place
Speaker 1: of order, spirit beings, the Great Spirit, right, light and peace.
Speaker 1: It's like heaven, perfect harmony. You have the mental world,
Speaker 1: which is our world, the earth where humans and animals live.
Speaker 1: The underworld chaos. There's just these like powerful chaotic forces.
Speaker 1: It's very dark and gloomy, you could say that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like the realm of death and change. You have
Speaker 1: the little people, the U, the yun we soon Stee,
Speaker 1: supernatural kind of elf like beings. They're very tiny, very powerful.
Speaker 1: What's that sound like, the little thing? Yeah, exactly, known
Speaker 1: for helping or punishing people depending on their behavior. They
Speaker 1: live in remote areas like mountains or rock shelters and
Speaker 1: are like greatly respected like a god or they're they're
Speaker 1: they're feared, you know, they're believed to be guardians of nature.
Speaker 1: They hold sacred knowledge. They're like the the the keepers
Speaker 1: of you know, the forests and the mountains and things
Speaker 1: like that. You have the medicine people and the sacred power.
Speaker 1: So they're like the mediums through which the Cherokee people
Speaker 1: would They're the intermediaries between the human and the spirit world, right,
Speaker 1: herbal medicine, chanting, Hello, simanis people, they have healing dreams,
Speaker 1: they're in communication with the spiritual realm. They would be
Speaker 1: sought out to like remove curses, bring healing, uh, contact
Speaker 1: people's ancestors, interpret their dreams, stuff like that. You have
Speaker 1: the Ouktina, the horned serpent, a giant dragon like serpent
Speaker 1: with a crystal or a glowing gem in its forehead.
Speaker 1: What's up with all the dragons and all these myths?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. That's not the first time we talked
Speaker 2: about the real What episode number is it? Ryan, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Drag and fifty nine?
Speaker 3: Fact check it fact checking?
Speaker 2: You go right along, sir.
Speaker 1: They possess great immense spiritual power, the horn serpent people,
Speaker 1: and killing one of them was thought to bring great
Speaker 1: powerful abilities. What dang dang? I don't think that's close
Speaker 1: enough to do.
Speaker 3: This episode one dragon.
Speaker 2: Decide, do you have like a ten episode grace period
Speaker 2: or something like?
Speaker 1: Yeah, then that's well outside of that reach. What's what
Speaker 1: is one fifty nine? Though? You gotta find out animal
Speaker 1: spirits and shape shifting. We talked about skinwalkers, windogo, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. They believe that people could shift into animals,
Speaker 1: or that spirits could shift into the form of animals
Speaker 1: to interact with us. Obviously, the phenomenon does that I've
Speaker 1: seen it, you guys have seen it. Let's see. There's
Speaker 1: obviously a specific symbolic meaning attached to each animal, like
Speaker 1: bears are like strength, transformation and healing. Owls are like
Speaker 1: a death or a warning and omen you know, if
Speaker 1: proper rituals aren't followed after death, they believe that like
Speaker 1: ghosts can linger after you. The night time was generally
Speaker 1: considered to be a lot more spiritually active. They wouldn't
Speaker 1: even perform certain rituals after dark to avoid attracting certain spirits,
Speaker 1: and you could have dreams of the dead, which in
Speaker 1: Cherokee belief is like a warning or a message from
Speaker 1: the spirit world. Right the sake good fire, there is
Speaker 1: a council house where there would be a fire lit.
Speaker 1: Believing to be a living connection to the spirit world
Speaker 1: and the Creator. They would perform fire ceremonies to maintain
Speaker 1: the balance of the world used in purification. They would
Speaker 1: all sit around a fire and they would tell sacred
Speaker 1: stories and things like that, talk about their ancestors.
Speaker 2: What Maryland nice, very nice. Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: Merlin coming up. Tonight.
Speaker 1: Strange coincidence. They believed fire was a living.
Speaker 2: Being, she said, must be those English folk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rights, and yeah, I don't have to go into
Speaker 1: all of these beings if you guys aren't vibing with it.
Speaker 1: But there's the thunder beings. They are the sky spirits
Speaker 1: who create the thunder and the lightning. They would enforce
Speaker 1: spiritual law. They're kind of like angels. I guess they're
Speaker 1: seen as warriors or messengers of the great Spirit. It
Speaker 1: would be called upon for healing and protection. Associated with
Speaker 1: birds of prey, like the eagler of the hawk, or
Speaker 1: like Zeus, or like raw and horse.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The immortals, spirit beings who appear human. They live in
Speaker 1: mountain cave villages and possess supernatural powers. I've actually read
Speaker 1: accounts because the Sky Jim he actually gave me a
Speaker 1: massive book about Cherokee. I started thumbing through it. I
Speaker 1: got bored. I was like, I can't read all this shit.
Speaker 1: But I did read this part about the immortals, and
Speaker 1: there are actual ancient Cherokee accounts of people that claimed
Speaker 1: that they went into caves and talked to these spiritual
Speaker 1: beings that would like give them signs and wonders and
Speaker 1: messages and things like that, and I thought that was
Speaker 1: very interesting.
Speaker 2: Whoa like ancient spirits? Yeah, they're just they railing in caves, caves, mountains. Yep,
Speaker 2: my gosh.
Speaker 1: They look like humans, but they're like immortal godlike beings.
Speaker 1: There are ancient Cherokee stories about entire families just taken
Speaker 1: and like being missing during like the Trail of Tears
Speaker 1: and other things like that. They're believed to not age
Speaker 1: or die. They live in a parallel spiritual realm, closely
Speaker 1: tied to the mountains, the caves, the rivers.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say like a vortex or you know,
Speaker 1: a fairy circle is you know the druids or people
Speaker 1: in England might say. But very fascinating. You have obviously
Speaker 1: the creator. I don't think I talked about this one yet.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Being unet lnvy the name for the Great Mystery.
Speaker 1: You know, it's non dual, meaning it's outside of duality.
Speaker 1: It's just like this archetypal universal force. It's omni present.
Speaker 1: It is the source of all life, spiritual law, It
Speaker 1: orders the universe. It's not personified in stories, but it
Speaker 1: is present in all of the sacred things like firewater, mountains,
Speaker 1: the rivers, the wind sounds literally like the esoteric mystery traditions.
Speaker 1: You know, hello, handshakes, maybe that means something, yeah, the
Speaker 1: mystery the handshakes. Bro, can you paint with all the colors.
Speaker 2: Of the wind that was in my head? When like,
Speaker 2: when you're saying that, by the way, beautiful song, Okay,
Speaker 2: obviously it is.
Speaker 1: They have, uh, and then this is the last one
Speaker 1: they have like witches they have obviously dark you could say,
Speaker 1: like satanic or demonic spirits they are. They call it
Speaker 1: the raven Mocker. Oh that's so sick, the raven Mocker,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's awesome album.
Speaker 1: I love ravens. I love crows. I have a couple
Speaker 1: of I have. Okay, so I have this gang of
Speaker 1: four white cranes and two crows that nearly every day
Speaker 1: are just kind of hanging out in my yard. It's
Speaker 1: like a lot of times that I'm out there taking
Speaker 1: out the trash, moll in my grass whatever, I keep
Speaker 1: finding that crow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seeing them, I'll be seeing them. When I pull up.
Speaker 1: I want to pick up a crow feather. But I'm
Speaker 1: usually like I'm a lawn mower, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to jump off, but I really want to
Speaker 1: keep one of the crow feathers, you know.
Speaker 2: It'd be sick, right, and one of the crane ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 1: Shut up, raven maker on your place, trash. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I'm being the raven maker.
Speaker 2: But he's not the raven.
Speaker 1: I was being the raven maker.
Speaker 2: He's the raven.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was destroying your spirit, damn. And that's an
Speaker 1: example of, you know, the kind of things that they
Speaker 1: would do.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think that was every
Speaker 2: more and nothing that you read would suggest that they're
Speaker 2: bullying the other people like that.
Speaker 1: It says that they are very you okay, shut.
Speaker 2: Up, Oh my god, doubling down on him, dude, what
Speaker 2: the hell?
Speaker 1: Geez?
Speaker 2: You know you're one of those demonic ancient spirits.
Speaker 1: The raven mockers.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: It says that their feared spiritual beings that feed on
Speaker 1: the lives of the sick and the dying.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you're a ravener.
Speaker 1: Here at night, only the medicine men can see them.
Speaker 1: All of you can see me your shoot? Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: associated with evil magic and are said to mock the
Speaker 1: dying and take the remaining life for us. I'm just
Speaker 1: showing you.
Speaker 2: How they did it, Alex, are you dying?
Speaker 1: And uh, you know the medicine people would would banish
Speaker 1: them to ritual.
Speaker 4: Damn well, I mean I'm not getting closer to being born.
Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair. Yeah, true. Anyway, That's about.
Speaker 1: All I got, man, But I thought that we could
Speaker 1: have an out of the box conversation about when I
Speaker 1: went into this, I was like Native Americans, how are
Speaker 1: we gonna talk about that? I wanted to a just
Speaker 1: posit the theory that maybe there was the connection to Atlantis,
Speaker 1: and then I wanted to go into the you know,
Speaker 1: the phenomenon stuff and how it ties into a story.
Speaker 1: So that's I'm I'm all out of bones.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, even though you were being mean to him, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm going to congratulate you and say good job and
Speaker 2: good well done, thank you very good. And Alex, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry for him the way he's treating you, and you
Speaker 2: need to think about it and think about what you're
Speaker 2: doing to him. Raven mocker Hey, I got one for you.
Speaker 1: What I'm concerned that you're not gonna be buff for
Speaker 1: your skin to skin photo.
Speaker 2: Dang, he's just the tripling down.
Speaker 4: Now, what do you it's a Green Boys saying, Man,
Speaker 4: that's true.
Speaker 1: What are you saying? We can't cross pollinate? You know?
Speaker 1: It's the birds and the bees.
Speaker 4: They're disappearing from the world, surprise everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm and I and I'm and and To be honest,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to motivate.
Speaker 2: You were anxious, We anxiously await that. Yeah, we all
Speaker 2: do me, especially.
Speaker 1: So since you mentioned Green Boys, I think it's important
Speaker 1: that we keep with the spiritual transition and we say
Speaker 1: the word of the day is bye guys, Bye guys,
Speaker 1: Bye guys. Oh thanks Aaron here again? Uh that is
Speaker 1: your name, right?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think we really said his name
Speaker 1: in the whole episode.
Speaker 2: Uh bye guys. What ut bmies.
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