Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
the unnamed Captain from MCC and his interview with the
OIG investigators. Question sure, then as far as conversations with
redacted answer, redacted was one of the lieutenants. As far
as again speaking to as lieutenants as a forum, you know, hey,
got to make sure that you guys are doing it,
you know, like that. But I know for a fact,
the only person that I spoke to that I pulled
in my office was the Shoe OIC was the Shoe lieutenant,
because they're in charge of that unit. So I disseminate
the information and the guidance out to him and he's
supposed to take that guidance and push it forward question
for the unit. So he's in charge of the unit.
So you went to the guy in charge of the
unit and you said, hey, you're in charge of the unit.
Make sure he's got his cell mate at all times.
Answer yes question and he then is supposed to take
that and anybody that works within the unit should know
answer yes question. Okay. What about these lieutenants though, especially
the ones that are acting as like Ops lieutenants and
activities lieutenants. Answer okay, yeah, people like that. Should they
have known during these shifts, specifically on the ninth and tenth,
should they have known that Epstein was required? Davissel mate answer,
I believe so. Question okay answer, But like again, I
would have to go back through my emails, you know,
because a lot of the communication that me and the
lieutenants had were through email, because you can't catch them
all on one shift. Question. Sure, answer, you know, like
catch them passing and coming. So I would put out
guidance that way. Question. But as far as you you
said that everyone knew that he had an Orange card
and that he was high visibility inmate and therefore he
was required Davis cell mate, So should that have been
known through that? Answer? Yeah? Question? And is there any
excuse for any of them to say I didn't know? Answer.
I'm not going to put that on the lieutenant. You know,
I'm not going to do that question Okay. Answer. I'm
not going to be the guide to say whatever whatever,
because I'm going to tell you what, sir. To be
real with you, it was so much going on through
that timeframe that I don't want to put my statement
to something like that that could detrimentally harm one of
these lieutenants. I'm not going to say that, Hey I
talked to answer right, gets cut off on this day.
I'm not going to do that question. And I'm not
saying about speaking. I'm just saying the fact that there
was And again you're saying that you don't recall specific
conversations about the cellmate requirement aside from redacted. But the
fact that if there was an Orange card, is that
something that just is common knowledge? If someone as an
Orange card, a lieutenant should know he's got an Orange card,
he needs a cell mate? Answer right? But then again,
also it was high visibility guys. What do you call that?
On g question? Okay, answer, So with the guidance I
put out, I got to give you that email. That
email was saying that, hey, these guys with the Orange cards,
you need to ensure high visibility, vigilance, ensure that these
guys you know, are alive, and all of this, you know,
report any you know. I went into detail with that question. Okay,
so maybe not if it's an Orange card, it doesn't
necessarily mean then that they require a cellmate. They just
require gets cut off by the captain hire supervision. Question Okay,
so you just need to know what they're doing at
all times and make sure what they're doing. Answer yeah,
question all right. So in this instance, it wouldn't be
necessarily cell mate. It would be everybody knows to keep
it and I on epstein make sure that he's all right.
So redacted is the only one that you can specifically recall,
and again what you said. Answer, and then again when
I went on evening watch, Morning watch, those shifts when
I had to talk to the teams together, Yeah, I
would talk about vigilance after doing thirty minute rounds, making
sure this is done, making sure that is done? Question okay, answer,
making sure this guy. You know, That's what I did,
because that's what redacted wanted. So I did that question
all right? And then again just to make sure that
I'm not misunderstanding you. You said you talked to redacted
specifically about but when you did visit the shoe, not
only were you telling them to keep high visibility on epstein,
were you also telling them the people that you did
interact with, that he needed to have a cell mate.
Answer yes, question okay. On Friday, August ninth, or sorry,
when is the last time can you recall that you
had a conversation with shoe staff? Answer? I can't remember, sir, question,
no problem. Answer, I don't remember, because, like I said,
the guidance came out between the time of him being
upon his release from suicide Watch, from the last time
to the time during the time he was doing the
vetting for the cellmate. So you know, it was a
short period of time that this guidance and these conversations
took place. And then the reinforcement was when he would
walk through the unit and just do rounds. And then
I'm like, hey, this is the high visibility guy. Why
is this guy got trays in the cell? Extra trays
in his cell? Why is this guy got this? So then,
of course, you know a lot of people at MCC
that didn't like me because I was trying to hold
people accountable. But I didn't always write people up. That's
how I did. I came up like that I'm trying
to help you. People thought me trying to just talk
to them about correctional services or trying giving them little
you know, helping them out talking to them. You know
that I was trying to be a no it all
be all be that guy. You know you're not sociable,
but now you're down here telling us what to do.
You're not one of those. That's the way it felt like.
So like again, I can give you the playbook to success,
but if you don't read it, it's just words. It's
just words. And then I had a lot of issues
with the lieutenants. You know, lieutenants, you know we're self serving.
Even though in my previous statement I would never say
anything statement to hurt them, I'm not doing that. But
what I'll tell you was that the relationship between me
and the lieutenant's corps was not good. So again, as
we move forward through today, you know, the statements that
I make is not to try to put blame or
try to hurt anybody. The only thing I'm doing is
telling you that when the warden gave me the directions
he said he wanted X Y and Z and x
y and Z. Not only did I talk to the staff,
I also reinforced it by putting out emails because I
know I can't catch everybody, and I know that staff
is going to blow you off. I mean, like, yeah, whatever,
I'm glad to be in the unit. Let's go ahead
and go back to whatever he was doing. It is
what it is. Question sure, And just so you know,
just to give you a little bit of peace of mind,
we're asking you the questions directly. You're not placing blame
on anybody. So if we ask you, like if they're
responsible or something, that's not on you question. Oh okay,
Well I just wanted to because I didn't understand that question. Yeah, yeah,
answer because like I said, I'm not here. I mean,
he gets cut off question. I mean we might say
who was responsible or did they drop the ball, But
that's us asking you a direct question, not you coming
to us saying it wasn't this guy's fault. Answer right question.
You know, we're specifically asking you, you know, answer. That's
why I didn't understand, and that's not why I'm I mean,
I'm not here for that answer or question. Right answer.
I'm just here. He gets cut off question. I mean,
we do have to figure out who did drop the
ball here, but that's not you. You're not coming to us.
We're coming to you. Answer, right, I understand question. So
on Friday, August ninth, twenty nineteen, redacted was on leave,
and thus there was no dedicated lieutenant assigned to the
shoe Answer that's correct. Question. In this event, the operations
lieutenant had oversight that day and took over the responsibilities
of the shoe lieutenant. So what time did you you
can look on August ninth? What time that he worked on? Redacted? Answer?
The periods that this is Friday? Right? Question correct? August
ninth answer I got So basically I have redacted was
not here? He was here on that Saturday, which was
evening watch on that Saturday. Question? Did he not work
four pm to midnight? Answer? He worked four pm to
midnight on that Saturday. The August tenth question, okay, you
can speak, do you know something different? Answer? No, No,
I was just clarifying question. Oop. Sorry, can I see
the August ninth question? So who was working August ninth?
Answer August ninth? It appears I think you got redacted.
Question all right? So redacted would have been an opst
lieutenant answer right question well, redacted and then redacted answer yeah, question,
and then underneath them, the activities lieutenant would have been
redacted and redacted answer right question correct? All right? All right,
So they must have got this wrong somehow. So it
says so this is not accurate when it says in
this report, in this event the operations lieutenant redacted had
oversight that day and took over responsibility for the shoe.
Who actually had oversight? Then, since redacted was out answer,
that would have been the day Watch operations lieutenant question?
And who was that answer? The day Watch operations lieutenant
for August ninth would have been it appears it was
redacted question, so redacted would have been responsible? Answer? Right question?
And is it your understanding that redacted knew that he
needed a cell mate? Answer? I believe so, yes, question? Okay,
all right, So that was incorrect, all this stuff about
the redacted thing, and then it goes on to say
redacted informally advised as lieutenants that Epstein was not to
be housed alone and emphasized that he needs to be
vigilant about thirty minute checks and unannounced rounds. And you
said that there were emails about that, and well as
when you spoke with your lieutenants and when you went
to the shoe specifically answer uh huh question correct, all right,
and that you don't remember the last time that you
did that, but between August between July thirtieth and August ninth.
You at least did it a few times answer right,
question okay, and you think you hit at least all
three shifts between that time answer correct, question okay, answer
I believe I did. Yeah, all right, folks, we're gonna
wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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