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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to

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the unnamed Captain from MCC and his interview with the

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OIG investigators. Question sure, then as far as conversations with

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redacted answer, redacted was one of the lieutenants. As far

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as again speaking to as lieutenants as a forum, you know, hey,

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got to make sure that you guys are doing it,

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you know, like that. But I know for a fact,

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the only person that I spoke to that I pulled

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in my office was the Shoe OIC was the Shoe lieutenant,

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because they're in charge of that unit. So I disseminate

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the information and the guidance out to him and he's

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supposed to take that guidance and push it forward question

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for the unit. So he's in charge of the unit.

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So you went to the guy in charge of the

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unit and you said, hey, you're in charge of the unit.

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Make sure he's got his cell mate at all times.

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Answer yes question and he then is supposed to take

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that and anybody that works within the unit should know

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answer yes question. Okay. What about these lieutenants though, especially

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the ones that are acting as like Ops lieutenants and

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activities lieutenants. Answer okay, yeah, people like that. Should they

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have known during these shifts, specifically on the ninth and tenth,

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should they have known that Epstein was required? Davissel mate answer,

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I believe so. Question okay answer, But like again, I

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would have to go back through my emails, you know,

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because a lot of the communication that me and the

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lieutenants had were through email, because you can't catch them

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all on one shift. Question. Sure, answer, you know, like

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catch them passing and coming. So I would put out

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guidance that way. Question. But as far as you you

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said that everyone knew that he had an Orange card

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and that he was high visibility inmate and therefore he

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was required Davis cell mate, So should that have been

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known through that? Answer? Yeah? Question? And is there any

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excuse for any of them to say I didn't know? Answer.

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I'm not going to put that on the lieutenant. You know,

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I'm not going to do that question Okay. Answer. I'm

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not going to be the guide to say whatever whatever,

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because I'm going to tell you what, sir. To be

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real with you, it was so much going on through

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that timeframe that I don't want to put my statement

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to something like that that could detrimentally harm one of

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these lieutenants. I'm not going to say that, Hey I

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talked to answer right, gets cut off on this day.

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I'm not going to do that question. And I'm not

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saying about speaking. I'm just saying the fact that there

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was And again you're saying that you don't recall specific

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conversations about the cellmate requirement aside from redacted. But the

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fact that if there was an Orange card, is that

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something that just is common knowledge? If someone as an

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Orange card, a lieutenant should know he's got an Orange card,

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he needs a cell mate? Answer right? But then again,

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also it was high visibility guys. What do you call that?

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On g question? Okay, answer, So with the guidance I

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put out, I got to give you that email. That

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email was saying that, hey, these guys with the Orange cards,

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you need to ensure high visibility, vigilance, ensure that these

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guys you know, are alive, and all of this, you know,

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report any you know. I went into detail with that question. Okay,

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so maybe not if it's an Orange card, it doesn't

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necessarily mean then that they require a cellmate. They just

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require gets cut off by the captain hire supervision. Question Okay,

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so you just need to know what they're doing at

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all times and make sure what they're doing. Answer yeah,

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question all right. So in this instance, it wouldn't be

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necessarily cell mate. It would be everybody knows to keep

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it and I on epstein make sure that he's all right.

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So redacted is the only one that you can specifically recall,

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and again what you said. Answer, and then again when

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I went on evening watch, Morning watch, those shifts when

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I had to talk to the teams together, Yeah, I

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would talk about vigilance after doing thirty minute rounds, making

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sure this is done, making sure that is done? Question okay, answer,

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making sure this guy. You know, That's what I did,

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because that's what redacted wanted. So I did that question

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all right? And then again just to make sure that

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I'm not misunderstanding you. You said you talked to redacted

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specifically about but when you did visit the shoe, not

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only were you telling them to keep high visibility on epstein,

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were you also telling them the people that you did

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interact with, that he needed to have a cell mate.

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Answer yes, question okay. On Friday, August ninth, or sorry,

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when is the last time can you recall that you

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had a conversation with shoe staff? Answer? I can't remember, sir, question,

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no problem. Answer, I don't remember, because, like I said,

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the guidance came out between the time of him being

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upon his release from suicide Watch, from the last time

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to the time during the time he was doing the

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vetting for the cellmate. So you know, it was a

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short period of time that this guidance and these conversations

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took place. And then the reinforcement was when he would

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walk through the unit and just do rounds. And then

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I'm like, hey, this is the high visibility guy. Why

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is this guy got trays in the cell? Extra trays

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in his cell? Why is this guy got this? So then,

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of course, you know a lot of people at MCC

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that didn't like me because I was trying to hold

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people accountable. But I didn't always write people up. That's

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how I did. I came up like that I'm trying

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to help you. People thought me trying to just talk

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to them about correctional services or trying giving them little

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you know, helping them out talking to them. You know

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that I was trying to be a no it all

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be all be that guy. You know you're not sociable,

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but now you're down here telling us what to do.

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You're not one of those. That's the way it felt like.

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So like again, I can give you the playbook to success,

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but if you don't read it, it's just words. It's

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just words. And then I had a lot of issues

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with the lieutenants. You know, lieutenants, you know we're self serving.

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Even though in my previous statement I would never say

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anything statement to hurt them, I'm not doing that. But

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what I'll tell you was that the relationship between me

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and the lieutenant's corps was not good. So again, as

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we move forward through today, you know, the statements that

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I make is not to try to put blame or

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try to hurt anybody. The only thing I'm doing is

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telling you that when the warden gave me the directions

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he said he wanted X Y and Z and x

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y and Z. Not only did I talk to the staff,

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I also reinforced it by putting out emails because I

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know I can't catch everybody, and I know that staff

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is going to blow you off. I mean, like, yeah, whatever,

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I'm glad to be in the unit. Let's go ahead

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and go back to whatever he was doing. It is

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what it is. Question sure, And just so you know,

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just to give you a little bit of peace of mind,

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we're asking you the questions directly. You're not placing blame

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on anybody. So if we ask you, like if they're

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responsible or something, that's not on you question. Oh okay,

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Well I just wanted to because I didn't understand that question. Yeah, yeah,

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answer because like I said, I'm not here. I mean,

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he gets cut off question. I mean we might say

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who was responsible or did they drop the ball, But

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that's us asking you a direct question, not you coming

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to us saying it wasn't this guy's fault. Answer right question.

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You know, we're specifically asking you, you know, answer. That's

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why I didn't understand, and that's not why I'm I mean,

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I'm not here for that answer or question. Right answer.

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I'm just here. He gets cut off question. I mean,

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we do have to figure out who did drop the

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ball here, but that's not you. You're not coming to us.

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We're coming to you. Answer, right, I understand question. So

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on Friday, August ninth, twenty nineteen, redacted was on leave,

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and thus there was no dedicated lieutenant assigned to the

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shoe Answer that's correct. Question. In this event, the operations

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lieutenant had oversight that day and took over the responsibilities

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of the shoe lieutenant. So what time did you you

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can look on August ninth? What time that he worked on? Redacted? Answer?

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The periods that this is Friday? Right? Question correct? August

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ninth answer I got So basically I have redacted was

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not here? He was here on that Saturday, which was

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evening watch on that Saturday. Question? Did he not work

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four pm to midnight? Answer? He worked four pm to

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midnight on that Saturday. The August tenth question, okay, you

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can speak, do you know something different? Answer? No, No,

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I was just clarifying question. Oop. Sorry, can I see

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the August ninth question? So who was working August ninth?

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Answer August ninth? It appears I think you got redacted.

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Question all right? So redacted would have been an opst

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lieutenant answer right question well, redacted and then redacted answer yeah, question,

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and then underneath them, the activities lieutenant would have been

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redacted and redacted answer right question correct? All right? All right,

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So they must have got this wrong somehow. So it

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says so this is not accurate when it says in

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this report, in this event the operations lieutenant redacted had

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oversight that day and took over responsibility for the shoe.

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Who actually had oversight? Then, since redacted was out answer,

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that would have been the day Watch operations lieutenant question?

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And who was that answer? The day Watch operations lieutenant

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for August ninth would have been it appears it was

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redacted question, so redacted would have been responsible? Answer? Right question?

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And is it your understanding that redacted knew that he

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needed a cell mate? Answer? I believe so, yes, question? Okay,

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all right, So that was incorrect, all this stuff about

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the redacted thing, and then it goes on to say

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redacted informally advised as lieutenants that Epstein was not to

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be housed alone and emphasized that he needs to be

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vigilant about thirty minute checks and unannounced rounds. And you

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said that there were emails about that, and well as

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when you spoke with your lieutenants and when you went

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to the shoe specifically answer uh huh question correct, all right,

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and that you don't remember the last time that you

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did that, but between August between July thirtieth and August ninth.

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You at least did it a few times answer right,

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question okay, and you think you hit at least all

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three shifts between that time answer correct, question okay, answer

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I believe I did. Yeah, all right, folks, we're gonna

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wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing

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with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.

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