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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Path with Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case.

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<v Speaker 3>April twenty second, nineteen eighty five, Benita Park, Missouri, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seven year old wife and mother Linda Sherman does not

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<v Speaker 3>show up for work, and her abandoned car is soon

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<v Speaker 3>discovered in an airport parking garage. Since Linda had recently

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<v Speaker 3>filed for divorce from her controlling husband, Don Sherman, he

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<v Speaker 3>is suspected of being responsible for her disappearance. Five years later,

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<v Speaker 3>a skull is found outside Don's favorite restaurant, and after

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<v Speaker 3>it's kept in an evidence room for fourteen months, least

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<v Speaker 3>receive an anonymous note confirming that the skull belongs to Linda.

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<v Speaker 3>Don maintains his innocence and the rest of Linda's remains

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<v Speaker 3>are never found.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, the Path went Chile. So we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bizarre case to cover today, the nineteen eighty five

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<v Speaker 1>disappearance and death of Linda Sherman. This story was featured

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<v Speaker 1>in one of the later seasons of Unsolved Mysteries, and

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<v Speaker 1>needless to say, that show had no shortage of cases

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<v Speaker 1>where a woman went missing under suspicious circumstances, and the

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<v Speaker 1>finger was pointed directly at her spouse. In this particular case,

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<v Speaker 1>Linda Sherman had been trapped in an unhappy, tumultuous marriage

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<v Speaker 1>with her controlling husband, Don Sherman, so when Linda vanished

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<v Speaker 1>without a trace shortly after she filed for divorce, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't too surprising that Don became the subject of suspicion.

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<v Speaker 1>But this story is a little different from the norm.

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<v Speaker 1>Five years after Linda went missing, a skull was discovered

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<v Speaker 1>outside of a strange husband's favorite restaurant and was eventually

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<v Speaker 1>identified as belonging to her. To this day, the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of Linda's remains have never been found, and no one

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<v Speaker 1>knows who is responsible for placing her skull in a

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<v Speaker 1>public place or why they did it. There is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>good reason to be suspicious of Don Sherman, but if

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<v Speaker 1>he was guilty, you have to wonder what would motivate

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<v Speaker 1>him to take the huge risk of digging up his

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<v Speaker 1>wife's skull five years after he murdered her and turning

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<v Speaker 1>the case into such a public spectacle. This would mean

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<v Speaker 1>that Don is either incredibly brazen or completely innocent, or

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps there was someone else involved in this crime that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't even know about, So we're going to explore

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<v Speaker 1>all the different possible scenarios on today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is exactly what I was thinking when you

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<v Speaker 2>guys started describing this case. You have a skull that

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<v Speaker 2>turns up in front of the estranged husband's favorite restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, that just says, look at me, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>killed my wife and I put her skull in front

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite restaurant, which makes zero sense because it's

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<v Speaker 2>calling attention to Don. In my mind, when you were

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<v Speaker 2>describing the case, I went, who hates Don enough to

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<v Speaker 2>frame him for this case? That's what really comes to

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<v Speaker 2>mind when I think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as we're going to talk about Don, Sherman is

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not a good husband. It does not seem like

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<v Speaker 1>a nice guy. So it isn't out of the ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>and unbelievable to think that he probably murdered his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>But you do have to wonder he had nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>gain by digging up his wife's skull after it essentially

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<v Speaker 1>gotten away with it and just leaving it out in

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<v Speaker 1>a public place and turning this case like it back

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<v Speaker 1>into the spot like five years after the fact, so

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<v Speaker 1>as you can imagine, there's a lot more ambiguity in

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<v Speaker 1>this case than your average story about missing spouses who

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<v Speaker 1>were getting out of abusive relationships, because you have to wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>even if Don is guilty, is there someone else who

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<v Speaker 1>knew that he killed his wife and was just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to toy with them. They are just so many possibilities.

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<v Speaker 2>Or he's an extreme narcissist. I suppose that wanted the

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<v Speaker 2>attention and wants to be in the limelight, or wants

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<v Speaker 2>his wife's case to be in the limelight, and is

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<v Speaker 2>really kind of cocky that he got away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's that potential too, but it just seems very bizarre.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's like a double bluff where he plants it

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<v Speaker 3>there and he's like, well, then they're going to think

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<v Speaker 3>that someone is framing me, because why would I be

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<v Speaker 3>stupid enough to put the skull outside of my favorite restaurant?

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<v Speaker 3>And then he becomes a victim and gets all the attention.

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<v Speaker 3>Our story begins in nineteen eighty five in Benita Park, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 3>a suburb of Saint Louis. Our central figure is twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seven year old Linda Sherman, who's married to her husband,

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<v Speaker 3>Don Sherman, and they have a nine year old daughter

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<v Speaker 3>named Patty. The couple were high school sweethearts when Linda

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<v Speaker 3>became pregnant, so they decided to get married in February

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<v Speaker 3>of nineteen seventy five, when they were both only seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>years old at the time, Linda was a junior and

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<v Speaker 3>Don was a senior, and they moved into a rented

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<v Speaker 3>house located next door to Linda's parents. Linda gave birth

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<v Speaker 3>to Patty in August of that year, but was determined

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<v Speaker 3>to complete her senior year of high school while her

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<v Speaker 3>mother helped her take care of her newborn baby. By

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<v Speaker 3>this point, Donn had graduated, so he took a job

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<v Speaker 3>as an assistant manager at a gas station in order

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<v Speaker 3>to support his new wife and child, but the marriage

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<v Speaker 3>would be fraught with turmoil. The couple often had money

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<v Speaker 3>problems and were usually forced to work opposite shifts of

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<v Speaker 3>their jobs. Don eventually started working in a machine shop

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<v Speaker 3>while Linda got a night job doing data entry at

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<v Speaker 3>the US Government Record Center in Saint Louis. Don was

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<v Speaker 3>known for being jealous and possessive and having a violent temper,

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<v Speaker 3>and he would often get angry whenever he saw Linda

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<v Speaker 3>talking to other guys, including her own brothers. Over the

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<v Speaker 3>course of the next ten years, Linda would take Patty

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<v Speaker 3>and move out multiple times, even going so far as

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<v Speaker 3>to file for divorce from Dawn in nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 3>but Linda never followed through with her divorce, and by

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen eighties she'd reconciled with Down and the family

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<v Speaker 3>moved into a new home in Beanita Park. However, the

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<v Speaker 3>marriage became even more troubled when Linda became pregnant for

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<v Speaker 3>the second time and suffered in miscarriage. She also experienced

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<v Speaker 3>some epileptic seizures, which ultimately made her decide not to

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<v Speaker 3>have any more children. In nineteen eighty two, Linda and

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<v Speaker 3>Patty moved out again and filed an order of protection

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<v Speaker 3>against Don, claiming that he had tambered with her car

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<v Speaker 3>and even threatened to murder suicide in which he would

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<v Speaker 3>kill himself, his wife, and their daughter. Don did admit

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<v Speaker 3>to having disabled Linda's car on one occasion in order

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<v Speaker 3>to prevent it from being driven, but deny that he

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<v Speaker 3>had any intention of harming her. While Linda's order of

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<v Speaker 3>protection was granted, she eventually reconciled with Don again and

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<v Speaker 3>moved back in with him.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a really tough situation, and it's so difficult

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<v Speaker 2>for people to wrap their minds around. If you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a troubled abusive marriage, get out. That's just not how

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<v Speaker 2>it works psychologically, financially, emotionally. They say it takes somebody

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<v Speaker 2>seven or eight times to leave an abusive relationship and

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<v Speaker 2>actually be successful in leaving. And even then, once you

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<v Speaker 2>successfully leave, a lot of times people will eventually go

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<v Speaker 2>back thinking that their spouse has changed or is you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a better person. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>gets so complicated when you have a child at the

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<v Speaker 2>center of it, because as much as you want to

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<v Speaker 2>protect the child, you also, especially back in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>we're told that you need the mom and dad together,

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<v Speaker 2>that a complete home is healthier for a child than

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<v Speaker 2>a broken home, And so there's just a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>complicated issues that go in here. Both seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>working really hard, but it seems like no matter how

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<v Speaker 2>hard they're working to get, you know, financially stable, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not good enough to get the emotional and psychological part

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<v Speaker 2>of their marriage in a healthy place. I feel so

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<v Speaker 2>bad for Linda and Patty. You know, Don clearly has

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<v Speaker 2>his own issues and is a sick individual who needs help.

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<v Speaker 2>But back in the seventies it was kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>look away. In the eighties, right, look away. If there's

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<v Speaker 2>domestic violence going on, that's a family issue, not a

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<v Speaker 2>public issue that needs to be handled. And I wish

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<v Speaker 2>it had been. I wish there was more access to resources.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish there was more conversation at the time where

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<v Speaker 2>Linda and Patty could have gotten some help, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Don could have gotten help too.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so complex given the time period, because there can

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<v Speaker 3>be societal pressure to work it out. There could be

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<v Speaker 3>people around her, around Linda that are saying, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe he's changed, or work it out. You should for

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<v Speaker 3>your family. You want Patty to have a present father.

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<v Speaker 3>And it becomes such a difficult situation when your self

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<v Speaker 3>confidence and your sense of self work can be so

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<v Speaker 3>eroded when you're in an abusive relationship. So Linda found

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<v Speaker 3>the wherewithal to leave, but then when she's on her own,

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<v Speaker 3>it might have just been this idea that I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>if I can do this myself, it's easier to just

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<v Speaker 3>go back together and maybe he was pressuring her, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't, but it's just so difficult, and it becomes

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<v Speaker 3>a situation where so many people can simplify it when

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<v Speaker 3>it's victims of abuse, saying well, why didn't they just leave?

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<v Speaker 3>But there reasons are manyfold.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and it probably didn't help that Linda was

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<v Speaker 1>married and pregnant by the time she was seventeen, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if she had any other serious boyfriends

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<v Speaker 1>before she hooked up with Don, So this has pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much been her whole life, being married to this guy

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<v Speaker 1>and not being alone. So it was probably just a

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<v Speaker 1>big adjustment trying to leave him and trying to ask

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<v Speaker 1>for a divorce, and maybe she just decided that it

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<v Speaker 1>was too much for her and she couldn't handle it

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<v Speaker 1>and went back to down just hoping that things would

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<v Speaker 1>change and work out, but unfortunately they never did. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time nineteen eighty five rolled around, Linda told her

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<v Speaker 1>family she had finally made the decision to end the

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<v Speaker 1>marriage for good. She officially filed for divorce on April

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<v Speaker 1>of the eleventh, and had all of her mail, including

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<v Speaker 1>her paychecks, forwarded to the home of her sister and

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<v Speaker 1>brother in law, Fran and Sam Miller. Since it would

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<v Speaker 1>be weeks before Don was served with divorce papers, Linda

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<v Speaker 1>decided to remain living in their house with him, but

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<v Speaker 1>planned to take Patty and move out soon. At two

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen am on Monday, April to twenty second, Linda signed

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<v Speaker 1>out after her night shift ended at the US Government

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<v Speaker 1>Record Center. According to Don, Linda did not arrive home

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<v Speaker 1>until around three o'clock, and they proceeded to get into

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<v Speaker 1>another argument as Don demanded to know where Linda had

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<v Speaker 1>been and why she was late. Don would claim that

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<v Speaker 1>Linda had developed a habit of not coming home from

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<v Speaker 1>work on multiple occasions, and there were times when he

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<v Speaker 1>would call the house from work and discover Linda was

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<v Speaker 1>not there. At the time, Don suspected that Linda was

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<v Speaker 1>having an affair with a male co worker, as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the truck drivers from his workplace had recently seen

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<v Speaker 1>them together. After the couple's argument came to an end,

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<v Speaker 1>Don said that he finally went to bed at around

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<v Speaker 1>four a m. While Linda fell asleep on the couch.

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<v Speaker 1>A few hours later, Patty woke up, and even though

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<v Speaker 1>her mother was the one who generally drove her to school,

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<v Speaker 1>Don would do so On this particular morning, Patty claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that as she was leading the house, she saw Linda

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<v Speaker 1>lying on the couch with her back turned. Patty did

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<v Speaker 1>not recall seeing any movements from Linda, who did not

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<v Speaker 1>even get up to say goodbye to her, which seemed uncharacteristic,

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<v Speaker 1>and when Patty left the house, this would turn out

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<v Speaker 1>to be the last time she ever saw her mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Poor baby, and she was nine years old at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she's mature enough to know, like, wait, the routine,

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<v Speaker 2>asleep on the couch. But if they're in there making

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<v Speaker 2>breakfast or making their lunch for school or whatever, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>good morning. You know, I love you guys. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably what Patty's referring to is that usually my mom

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<v Speaker 2>a second, or hugging goodbye for school, or tell me

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<v Speaker 2>to have a good day. In fact, mom was the

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<v Speaker 2>one that traditionally took her to school. That don wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>doing that, So for Patty, she recognized that's quite odd,

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<v Speaker 2>but at nine, just said, well, I guess mom, you

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<v Speaker 2>asleep on the couch and she goes to school and

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<v Speaker 2>eerie to wonder was she already deceased and just lying

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Patty never thought that at the time, but as

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, and that Don was frantically getting out

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<v Speaker 1>of the house just so to get her to school

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<v Speaker 1>so that he could dispose of her body at a

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<v Speaker 1>later time. We're still not one hundred percent sure if

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what happened. It does seem pretty brazen for

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<v Speaker 1>Don to leave his wife's body on the couch. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter is still at home, but who knows. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>already dead at that point, that is pretty eerie that

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<v Speaker 1>a nine year old would be subjected to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Don would claim that he returned home at six pm

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<v Speaker 3>that night and was surprised to discover that Linda was

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<v Speaker 3>still there, He said that she was in a frantic

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<v Speaker 3>mood because she was running late for work, and quickly

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<v Speaker 3>drove away. However, Linda never showed up for her shift,

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<v Speaker 3>did not call her employer to let them know that

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<v Speaker 3>At first, Don was not fearful of Linda's safety, as

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<v Speaker 3>he suspected that she was having an affair and figured

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<v Speaker 3>she may have run off with another man. Don would

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<v Speaker 3>of Linda's personal items appeared to be missing from their house. However,

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<v Speaker 3>when Fred and Sam Miller were unable to reach Linda

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<v Speaker 3>and learned that she had not shown up for work,

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<v Speaker 3>they immediately became concerned. They did not believe Don's story

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<v Speaker 3>about Linda running off with another man because they could

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<v Speaker 3>not imagine Linda abandoning her daughter. In the past, whenever

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<v Speaker 3>Linda separated from Don and moved out, she always took

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<v Speaker 3>Patty with her. The Millers demanded that Don go into

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<v Speaker 3>the police and file a missing person's report, and he

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<v Speaker 3>finally did so on April twenty fourth, two days after

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<v Speaker 3>she was last seen. Fred and Sam again performing their

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<v Speaker 3>own search for Linda, and on a hunch, they decided

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<v Speaker 3>to check out Saint Louis Lambert International Airport on April

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<v Speaker 3>twenty sixth. After pulling into the short term parking garage,

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<v Speaker 3>they were surprised to discover Linda's yellow nineteen seventy one

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<v Speaker 3>Volkswagen in one of the spaces. The car was locked,

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<v Speaker 3>but some of Linda's possessions, including her hat and her

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<v Speaker 3>school books from a computer class she was taking, could

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<v Speaker 3>be seen inside. The Miller's immediately contacted the airport police,

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<v Speaker 3>who noticed that the car's trunk was unlocked and decided

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<v Speaker 3>to open it. While Friend and Sam experienced a brief

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<v Speaker 3>moment of fear that Linda's body might be inside the trunk,

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<v Speaker 3>it turned out to be empty. The airport kept track

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<v Speaker 3>of all the cars which were parked in the short

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<v Speaker 3>term garage longer than twenty four hours, and since Linda's

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<v Speaker 3>Volkswagen was first noted on April twenty fourth, that meant

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<v Speaker 3>it was likely left in the garage sometime on the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty third or earlier. However, there was no listing for

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<v Speaker 3>a Linda's Sherman, not any of the flights which a

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<v Speaker 3>part of the airport during this time period. Once again,

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<v Speaker 3>Linda's family did not believe that she would have flown

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<v Speaker 3>off somewhere and abandoned Patty, so they suspected that her

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<v Speaker 3>car was planted in the garage.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you look at this case, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have Linda who's being abused by Down and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>questioned by him all the time, she's being controlled by him.

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<v Speaker 2>She's being scrutinized everywhere she is, for every minute she's

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<v Speaker 2>not at the house, and you do see that pattern

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<v Speaker 2>where she says, I'm done, I'm going to take my

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<v Speaker 2>daughter and have a better life. Could there be a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where she said, I'm going to just try it

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<v Speaker 2>on my own and see if I can get somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>and be stable and then go get Patty. It's possible,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't see it being likely given herm And

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to remember that Patty's nine years old, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like this little infant that she's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>can go back and get her and she won't remember

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. I just don't see Linda leaving

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<v Speaker 2>Patty with a man she knows is abusive, with a

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<v Speaker 2>man she's claimed threatened a murder suicide against she and

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter and himself. It doesn't make a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>of sense, and especially not for an affair, right. I

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<v Speaker 2>could see if she was desperate and scared for her life,

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<v Speaker 2>and that she had expressed I've got to try and

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<v Speaker 2>run and then I'll get Patty later. But he's claiming

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<v Speaker 2>it's all after a man. I don't see her prioritizing

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<v Speaker 2>a man over Patty.

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<v Speaker 1>And not to mention, she has just recently filed for

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<v Speaker 1>divorce and is waiting for the papers to be served

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<v Speaker 1>to Don. And if she just made a spontaneous decision

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<v Speaker 1>to just take off on her own, go off with

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<v Speaker 1>a man without telling her husband or her children or

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<v Speaker 1>her family where she was going, that's going to look

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<v Speaker 1>really bad in the divorce proceedings and the child custody battle.

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<v Speaker 1>So of course, it just seems very very unlikely that

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<v Speaker 1>she would choose this particular time in order to just

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<v Speaker 1>take off for a while. Of course, suspicion immediately turned

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<v Speaker 1>towards down, as there were no other witnesses to verify

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<v Speaker 1>his claim that Linda had left her house at six

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<v Speaker 1>pm on April to twenty second. Other than Don. The

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<v Speaker 1>last firm sighting of Linda was when Patty had seen

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<v Speaker 1>her lying on the couch when she left for school,

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<v Speaker 1>but since she never saw her mother make any movements,

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<v Speaker 1>there was genuine fear that Linda may have already been

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<v Speaker 1>dead by that point, but Don would soon tell police

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<v Speaker 1>that he saw Linda in the passenger seat of a

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<v Speaker 1>van being driven by an unidentified mail a few days

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<v Speaker 1>after she originally went missing. Don claimed that as the

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<v Speaker 1>van was driving past him, he called out to them,

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<v Speaker 1>prompting Linda to dug out of sight. Don said he

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<v Speaker 1>made an attempt to follow the van, but quickly lost

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<v Speaker 1>it and was unable to get the license number. Investigators

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<v Speaker 1>did check into the male coworker whom DoD had alleged

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<v Speaker 1>was having an affair with Linda, but he had a

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<v Speaker 1>solid alibi and was ruled out as a suspect. Don

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<v Speaker 1>eventually filed a cross petition for a divorce on the

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<v Speaker 1>grounds that Linda had a band in both him and

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<v Speaker 1>their daughter, but since she could not be found, a

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<v Speaker 1>judge dismissed Don's divorce filing in June of nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigation remained at a complete standstill until the case

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<v Speaker 1>took a very unexpected turn one year later. So to me,

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<v Speaker 1>when you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at this, you're right, Robin, you just said this

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<v Speaker 2>that if she was going to leave and try to

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<v Speaker 2>get a better life, this was not the time to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. She had already filed for divorce, she was

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<v Speaker 2>already on the way to getting freedom from Dawn, and

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<v Speaker 2>right there, Don used her disappearance against her, saying she

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<v Speaker 2>abandoned her baby and that was her priority. That's probably

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<v Speaker 2>one of the only reasons she had the strength to

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<v Speaker 2>fight to try to get away from him. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting when you think about could she have been

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<v Speaker 2>dead on the couch that morning Patty was nine, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel that Reagan would come over and kiss me

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<v Speaker 2>or say love you mom, or by mom, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if she was going to school and it was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of I wasn't driving her. It's not like she's three

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<v Speaker 2>and dad can just kind of like pick her up

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<v Speaker 2>and move her around and say, oh, mommy sleeping, leave

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<v Speaker 2>her alone. I just feel like Reagan independently would have

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<v Speaker 2>come up and kissed me goodbye or something. And if

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<v Speaker 2>she was deceased at that time, thank god Patty didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go up to her. But don't you think that Don

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<v Speaker 2>would be taking quite the risks that he really can't

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<v Speaker 2>control a nine year old the whole time she's getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready for school, and if she touched her mom and

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<v Speaker 2>she was cold or blue or something like that, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have foiled the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it depends on the dynamic of the relationship

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<v Speaker 3>if he's going to like physically block her from kissing

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<v Speaker 3>her mom or say, you know, you've got to leave

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<v Speaker 3>her alone, if he's that type of controlling father. We

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<v Speaker 3>know that he was a very very awful husband in

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<v Speaker 3>the sense that she left multiple times and unfortunately had returned,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was abusive, so we don't really know what

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<v Speaker 3>he was like with Patty. There could have been a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of fear there and what he said went and

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<v Speaker 3>it was like, you don't go close to your mother.

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<v Speaker 3>Then maybe she just listened or cowered out of fear,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was the type of dynamic in that household.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do agree it's a huge risk to have

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<v Speaker 3>her body be there and to trust that her daughter,

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<v Speaker 3>Patty isn't going to discover that her mother is deceased.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe he was emboldened by the fact that he

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<v Speaker 3>felt that he could control her.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's super true. If dad said do not

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<v Speaker 2>go over to your mother and he was abusive, she'd go,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't go over to mom, or I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>in big trouble before school.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that might be a possibility, because I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>read anything about Don being physically abusive towards Patty. But

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen a lot of these cases involving missing spouses

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<v Speaker 1>where the mother will go missing and the children are

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<v Speaker 1>so young at the time that they will stick with

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<v Speaker 1>their father no matter what, even if there is overwhelming

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to suggest itrre responsible because it's a difficult situation

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<v Speaker 1>because if you turn against your father, you're technically losing

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<v Speaker 1>both parents. But in this particular case, as Patty got older,

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<v Speaker 1>she was very outspoken about her dad and did not

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<v Speaker 1>hesitate to express her belief that Don killed Linda. So

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<v Speaker 1>it could be a thing where if he just did

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<v Speaker 1>not raise her that well and she was able to

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<v Speaker 1>break free from a spell and maybe just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>had like a culture of fear when she was young,

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<v Speaker 1>aware she knew that if I break ranks and decided

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<v Speaker 1>to go over and say hi to my mother, attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to kiss her, my father is going to get angry.

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<v Speaker 3>On June twenty eighth, nineteen ninety, a pair of flight

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<v Speaker 3>attendants were having lunch at Casagayardo, a Mexican restaurant in

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<v Speaker 3>the Saint Louis suburb of Bridgeton. When they looked out

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<v Speaker 3>the window, they noticed what appeared to be a human

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<v Speaker 3>skull underneath a yucca plant in the bushes outside. The

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<v Speaker 3>skull was directly facing the window, which seemed to suggest

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<v Speaker 3>that whoever placed it there wanted someone to find it.

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<v Speaker 3>The Bridgeton Police Department were notified, and the skull was

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<v Speaker 3>sent to the Saint Louis County Medical Examiner's Office, who

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<v Speaker 3>determined that it likely belonged to an adult female and

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<v Speaker 3>was of recent origin.

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00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.960
<v Speaker 1>However, the police did not initially suspect foul play. At

423
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<v Speaker 1>the time, a cemetery in the area was being relocated,

424
00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:00.160
<v Speaker 1>which involved the exhumation and transport of numerous bodies, so

425
00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:02.640
<v Speaker 1>they theorized that perhaps someone had taken the skull from

426
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<v Speaker 1>one of the grays and left it outside the restaurant

427
00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:08.359
<v Speaker 1>as a prank. Since the skull cannot be identified, he

428
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<v Speaker 1>was placed inside the County morg's evidence room and remained

429
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<v Speaker 1>there for over a year. On September sixth, nineteen ninety one,

430
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<v Speaker 1>the Venda Park Police Department received an unsealed envelope with

431
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<v Speaker 1>no return address containing a flyer for the Casa Guillardo restaurant.

432
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<v Speaker 1>The flyer had a message stamped on it in purple

433
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<v Speaker 1>ink which read quote the Bridgton Police have l Sherman's skull.

434
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<v Speaker 1>While the Venda Park PD contacted the Bridgeton PD and

435
00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.240
<v Speaker 1>sure enough they learned that they had a skull in

436
00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.839
<v Speaker 1>their possession which had been found outside Casa Guillardo. This

437
00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:43.359
<v Speaker 1>anonymous message now made the Venida Park PD suspect that

438
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<v Speaker 1>the call might belong to Linda Sherman, who had been

439
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.440
<v Speaker 1>missing for the past six years. After checking dental records,

440
00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:53.119
<v Speaker 1>investigators were able to officially confirm that it was Linda.

441
00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.200
<v Speaker 1>It would also turn out that Casa Guillardo happened to

442
00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.279
<v Speaker 1>be Don Sherman's favorite restaurant, as he was known for

443
00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:01.920
<v Speaker 1>hanging out and drinking at their bar two or three

444
00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:05.119
<v Speaker 1>times per week. In fact, Don even remembered coming into

445
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:08.000
<v Speaker 1>the restaurant on the very same day the skull was found,

446
00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and learning about its discovery, Dow believed that the reappearance

447
00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of Linda's skull was proof that he was not responsible

448
00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.960
<v Speaker 1>for what happened to her, as he theorized that someone

449
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.519
<v Speaker 1>else intentionally left it there in order to send him

450
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:24.480
<v Speaker 1>some sort of message. However, some people suspected that Don

451
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.079
<v Speaker 1>could have retrieved the skull and planted it outside the

452
00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:31.119
<v Speaker 1>restaurant in order to draw suspicion away from himself. But

453
00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:33.920
<v Speaker 1>if so, what will compel Don to do something like

454
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that five years after the fact.

455
00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Whoever's leaving these messages in the skull? It is very

456
00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:43.680
<v Speaker 2>like BTK esque, or you know some of these serial

457
00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.599
<v Speaker 2>killers who write letters to the media and want attention

458
00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:50.119
<v Speaker 2>and like, why isn't anyone talking about this case anymore?

459
00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:50.359
<v Speaker 1>Right?

460
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:53.400
<v Speaker 2>And they fuel something that's been put to rest, which

461
00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:55.839
<v Speaker 2>makes no sense because if you got away with it,

462
00:23:55.920 --> 00:24:00.000
<v Speaker 2>keep your mouth shut. So Don is either this narcissist

463
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.480
<v Speaker 2>stick individual who needs power and control and needs to

464
00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>be recognized for this work that he did and then

465
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:09.640
<v Speaker 2>he wants to play the victim, or he is being

466
00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:11.279
<v Speaker 2>framed by somebody.

467
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Do we know?

468
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:17.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, Don's constantly accusing Linda of having an affair. Historically,

469
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.440
<v Speaker 2>if you look at cases, you can oftentimes see whoever's

470
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 2>the abuser, the insecurities and the things that they're thrusting

471
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>onto their victim is actually things they're doing to the victim.

472
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:30.799
<v Speaker 3>That is often the case.

473
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I'm wondering, could Down have been having an

474
00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.359
<v Speaker 2>affair and that woman wanted to get rid of Linda

475
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.519
<v Speaker 2>and be the mom to Patty or wanted to have

476
00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Don to herself or something like that. Is it possible

477
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>that they were in cahoots together and then this woman's

478
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:50.799
<v Speaker 2>like scorning him by bringing the skull to his favorite restaurant.

479
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, interestingly, enow, we're going to talk about this momentarily,

480
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>But it was reported that Don was planning to get

481
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.680
<v Speaker 1>married around the time the skull was discovered, and it

482
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>was theorized that maybe he wanted proof that Linda was dead.

483
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:05.839
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not entirely sure if he was in a

484
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:08.799
<v Speaker 1>relationship with this same woman back in nineteen eighty five

485
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:12.119
<v Speaker 1>when Linda went missing, they did write an extensive article

486
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.079
<v Speaker 1>in the Riverfront Times about Don and Linda's background, and

487
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 1>they didn't report anything about Don ever having any extramarital

488
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>affairs during their marriage. And also they never found any

489
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:25.039
<v Speaker 1>conclusive evidence that Linda was having any affairs either, even

490
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:28.000
<v Speaker 1>though Don was accusing her. So I'm just not entirely

491
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:30.599
<v Speaker 1>sure if Don was involved with someone when Linda originally

492
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 1>went missing, But how.

493
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.519
<v Speaker 3>Much digging did they actually do, Like this is nineteen

494
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 3>eighty two, right, so they did nineteen eighty five, nineteen

495
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.240
<v Speaker 3>eighty five, So they don't have cell phones to go through,

496
00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:44.000
<v Speaker 3>and they don't have that type of history like now

497
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.599
<v Speaker 3>you can figure out if someone's having an affair so easily.

498
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.200
<v Speaker 3>And do we know if they went and talked to

499
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 3>like all of his coworkers, all the women in his

500
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:55.160
<v Speaker 3>social circle. Do you know any of that, Robin.

501
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm not entirely sure how extensive the investigation was, but

502
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:01.279
<v Speaker 1>I do know that Linda had hired the services of

503
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>a divorce lawyer at that point, and I'd like to

504
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.799
<v Speaker 1>think that even if the police didn't take her disappearance

505
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.160
<v Speaker 1>that seriously, at least her lawyer would and her family

506
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:12.039
<v Speaker 1>would and try to find everything they could about Don's

507
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:16.039
<v Speaker 1>background they could for the upcoming divorce proceedings. But no,

508
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>just as far as I can tell, they just cannot

509
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.640
<v Speaker 1>find any evidence that he had another woman at the time.

510
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Has actually made great points that that is typically the

511
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:28.200
<v Speaker 3>pattern when you see an abuser who is accusing their

512
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.200
<v Speaker 3>victim of doing all these things. They're typically just projecting

513
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:34.480
<v Speaker 3>things that they themselves are doing. I wouldn't be surprised

514
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:36.680
<v Speaker 3>if he was having an affair, but I find it

515
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.640
<v Speaker 3>interesting that they didn't find any evidence of that. But

516
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 3>what you bring up about the skull being discovered, if

517
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 3>he was indeed going to get married and he needed

518
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 3>to actually be granted a divorce and he hasn't been

519
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:55.000
<v Speaker 3>granted one in absentia yet, then having the skull turn

520
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 3>up might be enough for them to go, Okay, well,

521
00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:01.480
<v Speaker 3>she clearly is gone and deceased, so now we can

522
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.799
<v Speaker 3>move along this marriage that Don was planning to potentially have.

523
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>The only hole in that theory is the fact that

524
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:11.839
<v Speaker 1>the skull was not identified for over a year and

525
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 1>not until the received and anonymous letter. So I would

526
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:17.640
<v Speaker 1>think that if Don was desperate to get married, that

527
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>he would have sent the anonymous letter a lot earlier

528
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:23.039
<v Speaker 1>than that, because he was just kind of sitting around thinking, Okay,

529
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:25.920
<v Speaker 1>they haven't identified or yet, I should send something anonymous,

530
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 1>and it is kind of weird that he would wait

531
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:28.480
<v Speaker 1>so long.

532
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:29.799
<v Speaker 3>That's true.

533
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, like we just said, the most prevalent theory was

534
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 1>that Don may have been planning to get married, but

535
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 1>since he had no luck legally divorcing Linda in absentia,

536
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>he decided to retrieve her skull, providing concrete evidence to

537
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:46.359
<v Speaker 1>have her declared legally dead. Don denied these allegations, but

538
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 1>in spite of this new development, there was no additional

539
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>evidence to prove or disprove that he was involved in

540
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Linda's death. The envelope and flyer which had been sent

541
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>to police were given a forensic analysis, but they contained

542
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 1>no fingerprints, and since the omens velope was unsealed, there

543
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:05.079
<v Speaker 1>was no saliva for DNA testing. Since the rubber stamp,

544
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 1>which was used to write out the message on the

545
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>flyer could easily be purchased at an office supply store,

546
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>investigators had no luck tracing it. In nineteen ninety nine,

547
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:18.160
<v Speaker 1>linda skull was exhumed and shipped to the Archaeological Institute

548
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.599
<v Speaker 1>of Mercyhurst College in Erie, Pennsylvania. One of the professors

549
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>from the college had actually been called upon to assist

550
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the federal government with prosecuting archaeological theft cases, so their

551
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 1>soil analysis techniques could successfully link soil samples found on

552
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 1>items to the locations where they originated from investigators hoped

553
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>that by performing soil analysis on some dirt attached to

554
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.799
<v Speaker 1>linda skull, they might be able to determine where the

555
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.839
<v Speaker 1>rest of her remains were buried. While I have no

556
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>idea if this decision was related to the soil analysis

557
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>or not. Police sent a search team and cadaver sniffing

558
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>dogs to an area near the town of Perryville, located

559
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.279
<v Speaker 1>seventy five miles south of Saint Louis, but it doesn't

560
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>sound like they tri up anything. The case would be

561
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.119
<v Speaker 1>profiled on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries which aired in

562
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.359
<v Speaker 1>July of two thousand and one, and their segment featured

563
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.279
<v Speaker 1>an interview with the sherman's daughter, Patty, who was now

564
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years old and living in Indiana with a

565
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>husband and daughter of her own. She did not hesitate

566
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to express her suspicions about her father's potential complability in

567
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>her mother's death, stating quote, in my heart, I think

568
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>he might have done it. You know, I can't think

569
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of anyone else who would have end quote. For his part,

570
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Don never stopped maintaining his innocence. Had always suspected that

571
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Linda ran off with another man. Who subsequently murdered her.

572
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 1>He got remarried in nineteen ninety four and had a

573
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>daughter with his second wife, along with two step children. However,

574
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 1>in July of twenty fifteen, Don would pass away at

575
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 1>the age of fifty eight, So after nearly forty years,

576
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 1>the exact circumstances of Linda Sherman's death remain unclear. So

577
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say the path went chilly.

578
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.279
<v Speaker 2>It is so difficult because given the timeframe that she

579
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>did disappear and how long it's been since her death,

580
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.920
<v Speaker 2>it's really difficult. Like Jules said, if this happened in

581
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, you could go through emails, you could

582
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.599
<v Speaker 2>go through text messages, you could go through other kinds

583
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.000
<v Speaker 2>of records where she would not only document the abuse,

584
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>but things that were outside the marriage threats. A lot

585
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.240
<v Speaker 2>of that could have been documented, but back in the

586
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>seventies and eighties it wouldn't have been. And the culture

587
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>around domestic violence was so different at the time too,

588
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.359
<v Speaker 2>that it's likely Linda didn't share everything that was going

589
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.759
<v Speaker 2>on and was trying to figure out can I make

590
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.920
<v Speaker 2>this work? Can I tolerate the abuse long enough to

591
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:45.599
<v Speaker 2>have a quote intact family. It's really hard too, because

592
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.799
<v Speaker 2>when you have the skull, I'm assuming there's not really

593
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>much to go on other than identifying her, because there's

594
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>no report of weapon marks or any kind of injury

595
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>to the skull that could indicate even what happened to her.

596
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Is that correct.

597
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they didn't find any like blunt force trauma or

598
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>any gunshot wounds or anything, so exact cause of death

599
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 1>is still unknown.

600
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it didn't do anything other than cause an

601
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.119
<v Speaker 2>emotional kind of chaotic reaction where the skull's even looking

602
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>towards the restaurant like wanting to be found. And what's

603
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.200
<v Speaker 2>very very scary is that you know somebody placed it there,

604
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.319
<v Speaker 2>because if it was so visible that people could see

605
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>it that day under the tree right or out of

606
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>the plant, then it wasn't there for five years. It

607
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 2>was placed there, which means someone was brazen enough to

608
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:38.799
<v Speaker 2>either relocate the skull and retrieve it, or had held

609
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 2>on to the skull and then placed it at that scene,

610
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>which really gives you chills up your spine of who's

611
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 2>that evil and dark to once the corpse is already deceased,

612
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>right and it's a body you can't even leave it

613
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 2>at rest. At that point, you mess with her body again.

614
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 1>And that's what's so weird about Don is that we

615
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 1>know he's a domestic viewser he's not a good guy,

616
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.319
<v Speaker 1>but some of the actions here seem to point towards

617
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 1>like some sort of serial killer who has experience doing

618
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing. And one of the most interesting

619
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>details is that the anonymous note was sent in an

620
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>unsealed envelope and that whoever sent it went to the

621
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>trouble of not licking the envelope to leave any saliva

622
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 1>for DNA testing. They're actually using forensic countermeasures. And while

623
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.039
<v Speaker 1>I could see someone doing that in twenty twenty four,

624
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>this was back in nineteen ninety one, when DNA testing

625
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 1>was still in its infancy. So would someone like Don

626
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>just have the wherewithal to do that to realize, I

627
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>better not lick the envelope because I don't want my

628
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 1>saliva and my DNA going on there. So that's one

629
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>of those details that makes you wonder, could this crime

630
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>have been committed by someone who knew a lot about

631
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>forensics and evidence and had a lot of experience of

632
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:50.559
<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing, And.

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<v Speaker 3>You wonder if he chose a victim like Linda because

634
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<v Speaker 3>she had an abusive partner. Maybe he's like a dexter

635
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 3>like killer, not in the sense that his code is

636
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.759
<v Speaker 3>that you kill killers, is more than his code is

637
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.839
<v Speaker 3>like kill people where there's somebody in their life that

638
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<v Speaker 3>will very easily be suspected of the murder. And then

639
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<v Speaker 3>going back and taunting with the skull is maybe, like

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<v Speaker 3>Ash mentioned earlier, it was down it would be a

641
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<v Speaker 3>BTK level type thing where it's like, hey, give me

642
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<v Speaker 3>the attention. But it would also be if it was

643
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<v Speaker 3>another person who was framing Don because it's like, hey,

644
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<v Speaker 3>let's inject some more interest into the case and like

645
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 3>push this forward because maybe I'm not getting the attention

646
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.319
<v Speaker 3>that I want right now, and this will put it

647
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.000
<v Speaker 3>back into the spotlight and I'll get to have that,

648
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:38.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, duper's delight.

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<v Speaker 1>That is true because I know that Linda's disappearance did

650
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<v Speaker 1>not get much publicity at all when it originally happened

651
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty five. But when the skull was left out,

652
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<v Speaker 1>of course it made a lot of news and it

653
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>was featured on on Solve Mysteries. So technically whoever did

654
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<v Speaker 1>it got the attention they desired.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that, like Jules and Robin, you both pointed out,

656
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<v Speaker 2>at the time, there wasn't a lot of knowledge or

657
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<v Speaker 2>accessibility to information like DNA testing. We didn't have Internet,

658
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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have streaming shows where you could go pick

659
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 2>true crime shows, right, we just didn't have all of

660
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>that immediacy and access to information. If you were trying to, like,

661
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.559
<v Speaker 2>I can't google how to kill someone or how to

662
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<v Speaker 2>get away with you know, not having my DNA cod well,

663
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.599
<v Speaker 2>don't like the envelope, don't you know, kiss the body,

664
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<v Speaker 2>don't do any of this stuff that wasn't possible at

665
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:34.039
<v Speaker 2>the time. So, like you all pointed out, it almost

666
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<v Speaker 2>lends itself to a career criminal who is very skilled

667
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and intelligent. For a husband who is just tired of

668
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<v Speaker 2>his wife and wants to make sure he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to pay alimony or doesn't have to share patty or

670
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever the case might be, would he be that sophisticated?

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this is definitely one of the more bizarre spousal

672
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 1>disappearances I've ever come across. I mentioned earlier that Unsolved

673
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<v Speaker 1>Mystery had its fair share of cases where women went

674
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 1>missing well in the midst of a troubled marriage, and

675
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 1>their husband became the prime suspect. A surprising number of

676
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<v Speaker 1>these spouses agreed to be interviewed on camera on the show,

677
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and most of the time they did not come across

678
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<v Speaker 1>very well. Don Sherman did not seem like an overly

679
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>likable person during his Unsolved Mysteries interview, though to be fair,

680
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<v Speaker 1>it was filmed over fifteen years after he lost his wife,

681
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<v Speaker 1>so that might explain why there wasn't much emotion on display.

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00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I definitely don't doubt the allegations that he was a jealous, possessive,

683
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.679
<v Speaker 1>and abusive husband and Linda would have been much better

684
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:36.559
<v Speaker 1>off not being married to him. And it also looked

685
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<v Speaker 1>pretty damning that Don's own daughter, Patty, did not seem

686
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>reluctant to express her suspicions about him. It's unclear when

687
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 1>or if Patty became completely estrange from her father, but

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<v Speaker 1>I find it interesting that when you look up Don

689
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Sherman's obituary online, his daughter and two stepchildren from his

690
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 1>second marriage are listed as next of kin, but there

691
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>is no mention of Patty at all. Given that Linda

692
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>split up with Don and moved out multiple times while

693
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Patty was growing up I have no doubt that she

694
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.559
<v Speaker 1>may have witnessed some things which made her think that

695
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>her father was capable of murder. I will say that

696
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 1>if Linda simply vanished in nineteen eighty five and was

697
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>still a missing person today, I would have no trouble

698
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>believing that Don was responsible for her death. However, the

699
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 1>appearance of linda skull throws a complete monkey wrench into

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00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, as I honestly cannot think of another

701
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 1>missing person's case where something like this happened. How many

702
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>other cold cases are there where a victim's skull popped

703
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>up in a public place years after they went missing,

704
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>while the rest of the remains have never been recovered.

705
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 1>If Don was guilty, then it's hard to imagine why

706
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>he would do something like this and what he was

707
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:46.039
<v Speaker 1>trying to accomplish. But if Don is innocent and somebody

708
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.159
<v Speaker 1>else on earth Linda's skull and left it out in

709
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the open, what were they trying to accomplish?

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00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>And what's really sad here is Patty and all of this. Patty, Yes,

711
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.480
<v Speaker 2>her dad was abusive, but at nine years old, her

712
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>mother leaves. God only knows what stories Don told her

713
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.119
<v Speaker 2>to manipulate her and get her to be complicit and

714
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 2>compliant with whatever he wanted. I'm sure he talked about

715
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.199
<v Speaker 2>her having an affair, running off, not loving her enough

716
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:18.519
<v Speaker 2>to stay. And Patty's not dumb. She knows her mom.

717
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.679
<v Speaker 2>She knows that Mom took me when she was trying

718
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 2>to be safer. Mom tried to get out of this.

719
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of confusion that would have happened

720
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>for her. And then when you look at these details

721
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 2>like she wasn't part of the obituary, it's just really

722
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 2>sad to think of how a strange she became. I

723
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.079
<v Speaker 2>think when she stood up just like her mom did

724
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and said, I don't believe you, Dad, I don't want

725
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.559
<v Speaker 2>to hear any more about my mom being this terrible person.

726
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't think my mom would have left me. I

727
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:51.639
<v Speaker 2>think don needed to distance himself from her because she

728
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>wasn't as easily manipulated or controlled. And that's his imo.

729
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.360
<v Speaker 2>He has to have people that he can control. So

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not he killed her or not, he has

731
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:06.360
<v Speaker 2>a daughter who lost her mother, lost whatever a little

732
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.639
<v Speaker 2>bit of a father she had, and grew up really

733
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.599
<v Speaker 2>as an orphan who's trying to seek ways to redeem

734
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 2>her wife and have quality relationships around her because it

735
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 2>sure didn't happen with her dad. That is one of

736
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the most heartbreaking things in this case. And to think

737
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.920
<v Speaker 2>that Linda was fighting so hard to get her a

738
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.960
<v Speaker 2>better life and that's what Patty got. It's just very,

739
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:28.760
<v Speaker 2>very depressing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I mentioned earlier, in a lot of these

741
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.480
<v Speaker 1>cases where a spouse goes missing and their surviving spouse

742
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 1>is under suspicion, often the time when they get custody

743
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>of the children and raise them, they successfully brainwash them.

744
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>They say bad things about the missing spouse, try to

745
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:45.679
<v Speaker 1>make the child think that they ran away on their own,

746
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 1>and as a result, they wind up supporting their surviving

747
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>spouse no matter what, even if the evidence does show

748
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>they were responsible. So I do think it says a

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00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>lot that Patty did not believe Don and became completely

750
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>estrange for them. And I've always wondered what relationship Don

751
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 1>had with his two step children and his second daughter

752
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 1>from his second marriage, because you have to wonder what

753
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like being that situation where you know that this

754
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 1>man in your life has been suspected of killing his

755
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.760
<v Speaker 1>previous life. But since they stayed together for about over

756
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 1>twenty years after until Dawn passed away. I guess they

757
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:19.639
<v Speaker 1>believed that he was innocent.

758
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>And she had kids with him too, right, she had

759
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>kids and let him raise her own baby. So I

760
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>think that does say that either he was pretty darn

761
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.920
<v Speaker 2>convincing and was able to bad mouth Linda enough to say,

762
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>like she left us, she abandoned her babies. I want

763
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.079
<v Speaker 2>a family so badly, that's all I ever wanted. Or

764
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.360
<v Speaker 2>she's just as manipulated and abused as Linda was. Who knows, So.

765
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<v Speaker 1>I think this would be a good time to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it into Part one, Boyd, but join us next week

767
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.519
<v Speaker 1>as we present part two of our series about the

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<v Speaker 1>unexplained death of Linda Sherman.

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<v Speaker 4>Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>Patreon?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, The Trail Cold Patreon has been around for three

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