WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:04.320 The right quist. 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:10.359 Dodgers Playoff Baseball is back, and with it an annual 3 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:12.160 postseason tradition. 4 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:13.439 Scam is back. 5 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:14.160 Baby. 6 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:18.839 This is Saxon Kates in the a APPA Go with Proway. 7 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:23.399 Dodger legend Steve Sacks is joined by your favorite Dodger 8 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:27.559 pregame host, Tim Kates. If you want to talk Dodgers, 9 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:30.000 get in on the show on eighty six six nine, 10 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.000 eighty seven two five seven now. While the Dan Patrick 11 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:36.439 Show streams on the Ihearts radio app. We've been banished 12 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:40.039 to the Internet until this Dodgers playoff run concludes. Here 13 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.320 they are broadcasting live on AM five to seven e 14 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:47.280 LA Sports. It's Tim Kates and Steve Sacks. 15 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:51.280 Well, I guess it's not gonna be a sweep after all, 16 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:55.119 as we have ourselves now a series tying in a 17 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:59.280 game of piece. Good Morning Southern California, Saxon. 18 00:00:58.960 --> 00:00:59.840 Kates and Am. 19 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.359 It's on the air here on A five seventy LA 20 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:08.120 Sports on it Tuesday morning, October fifteenth. Thanks for being 21 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:11.359 with us, Tim Kats, along with two time World Series champ, 22 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:14.480 former Rookie of the Year and my favorite number three 23 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:18.280 of all time on the Dodgers Steve Sacks, Saxy, good morning. 24 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:22.879 Good morning, Tim. How are you, Bud? Oh? How am I? Yeah? 25 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:23.359 How am I? 26 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:24.280 You ask? Yeah? 27 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:27.879 How's your nervous system? I'm livid, still, Saxy. I am 28 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.799 still fired up for what happened in Game two yesterday, 29 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.079 what transpired in the first couple of innings, the Dodgers 30 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:38.000 inability offensively to come up with a big hit late 31 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.239 in the game, despite chipping away and getting back in 32 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.280 to that ballgame against the New York Mets yesterday. As 33 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.280 high as we were feeling after Game one and that 34 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:51.079 nine to nothing shutout in Jack Felerty's seven shutout innings 35 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:55.519 yesterday happened, and the bullpen game backfired on Dave Roberts 36 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.560 and the Dodgers just could not get out of an 37 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:00.000 early six to nothing hole. 38 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.719 It was a disaster yesterday at Dodgers teae. Yeah, yeah, 39 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.120 it was. It was a tough one. You know, you 40 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:09.120 could see I was starting to WinCE as some of 41 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.319 the pitches that were thrown up. You know, I got 42 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:14.479 the good perspective from seeing it from the center field view. 43 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:17.599 There were just too many hanging curveballs in there, and 44 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:19.759 it could have been worse. I mean, some of those 45 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.560 hanging curveballs were either fouled off or just missed. But 46 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:26.840 the ones that they didn't miss, they were the hanging 47 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.400 curveball type. And you can't throw those things at this 48 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:32.520 level and get away with it that much depth. Ball's 49 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:34.680 got to be breaking from the thigh down to the ground, 50 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:37.000 and it was the opposite. It was that the letters 51 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:39.479 down to the thigh, and those guys are gonna rush 52 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.400 that ball, especially if you're hanging it or putting in 53 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.520 the center of the plate. To a guy like Vento's, 54 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:48.800 this guy is hotter than you know what, and he's 55 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.439 he's gonna be the force to be reckoned with, I 56 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.560 think throughout this series. So they got to tame this guy. 57 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.240 There is a lot to dissect from yesterday's game, from 58 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.919 the fact that the Dodgers did not start Walker Bueller, 59 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:03.960 they go with a bullpen game. The bullpen game imploded 60 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:07.319 on them early on, with Ryan Brazier giving up a 61 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.919 lead off home run to the very first batter that 62 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.599 he faced. So as you were alluded to landon Nack's 63 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:17.080 inability to throw strikes in the second inning, the Dodgers 64 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:22.400 had opportunities offensively late in the game getting after Sean 65 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:25.159 and I and then getting to that Mets bullpen. They 66 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:28.280 had not once but twice the opportunity to get a 67 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.639 base hit, get within a run, or tie the game 68 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:33.719 in the sixth, seventh, and eighth innings and just could 69 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:37.719 not deliver. Keyky Hernandez came up twice with runners on base, 70 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:39.879 once with the bases loaded into one out and grounded 71 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.919 in to a double play. So they had their opportunities. 72 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.520 But from the get go, Saxe I wondered about this 73 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.520 bullpen game. We saw what happened in Game four of 74 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.599 the NLDS, We saw the blueprint they had, and we'd 75 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:55.240 still marvel at how those eight pitchers down in San 76 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:59.719 Diego were able to navigate nine shutout innings like they did. 77 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.759 To ask the bullpen in general, forget the guys who 78 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.520 they could or couldn't go to yesterday, to ask them 79 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:08.400 to do that again was certainly asking a lot, wasn't it. 80 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:09.919 Yeah, Hey, yeah, First of all, if you want to 81 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.319 stream me in, go ahead, absolutely, I'll git in there. 82 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.759 All right. So look, this is the thing about the 83 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:16.879 situation as we see at the landscape, the way I 84 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:21.160 see it is think, thankfully, this is not a best 85 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:24.199 of three. It's turning now to a best of five. 86 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:27.839 But in the best of seven series landscape, you can 87 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.399 take one game and say, look, I didn't think it 88 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.560 was going to be a sweep anyway. Right when we 89 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:36.959 started out, you know, for the series, people were asking 90 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:39.240 me what I thought about, you know, the end game 91 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.519 was going to be, and I picked the Dodgers and six, 92 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:43.920 So I didn't think it was going to be one 93 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.560 of these, you know, sweeps, So that's that's part of it. 94 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.240 The other thing is they were able to wear down 95 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.199 and get to Sean Maniyah, which is a good thing. However, 96 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.279 it wasn't enough. But the way in how funky that 97 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.680 this guy is, I mean throwing from that, you know, 98 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.680 big of an angle for a left to try to 99 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:02.399 pick that up. Bright handers have a tough time with 100 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:05.959 him too. It's not just the lefties, and that ninety 101 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.240 two to ninety three mile an hour fastball suddenly looks 102 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.439 ninety seven ninety eight when it's coupled with that really 103 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:13.959 good change up that he has. So the fact that 104 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:16.040 the Dodgers did get to him, whunable to get into 105 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.439 the bullpen was good. It might pay dividends down the 106 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:20.040 road for this team. That's they able to nick up 107 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:21.000 that bullpen a little bit. 108 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:24.920 That stadium yesterday from the get go lacked energy like 109 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.480 it did for Game one on Sunday. It lacked the 110 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.199 energy like it did in Game five of the NLDS 111 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.040 on Friday night against the Padres. I know it was 112 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:36.199 a one o'clock start in the afternoon, there was a. 113 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:37.199 Home run the first at bat. 114 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.000 Tan, Yeah, and the air just got completely sucked out 115 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.920 and the energy sucked out of Dodger Stadium with that 116 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.920 Lindor home run. With that being said, if you're going 117 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.439 with the bullpen game, and he didn't really lay out 118 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:51.480 the plans beforehand, Dave Roberts, but he did hint that 119 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:53.680 landon Knack at some point was going to be a 120 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:56.519 part of a bullpen game. Needing to get out. Okay, great, 121 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.360 when Lindor hits a home run on the very first 122 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.439 at bat of the game, to me, you have to 123 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:07.720 then deviate or at least put the antennas up on. 124 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:10.480 All right, we may have to deviate from what we 125 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:12.759 hope to do with land and Knack and getting multiple 126 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.519 innings because of the way things line up with our 127 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.639 high leverage guys later in the game. But they just 128 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:21.079 didn't feel like there was the change of plan. They 129 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:23.279 didn't go off script at all. We just went to 130 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:26.120 Land and Knack in the second a leadoff single, a 131 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:28.879 walk two batters later, gives up an O two curve 132 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.079 ball to Tyrone Taylor double. It's a two to nothing game, 133 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:34.720 and it just continued to spiral out of control. There 134 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.279 was no sense of we need to stop this now. 135 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:39.680 I need to bring in somebody to close off this 136 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:43.759 second inning and keep it right here. At a two 137 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.879 to nothing game. I need to keep it close because 138 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.399 I need my offense to eventually get going, and I'll 139 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.120 figure out the pitching matchup later in the game. If 140 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:53.920 we jump out to a six to two lead and 141 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.199 we explode for six runs next inning, I feel a 142 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.199 little bit better now with Land and Nak pitching the 143 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.040 six or seventh inning. But just go to land in 144 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.360 neck in the second inning and let him just hang 145 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:05.680 out there. In the second and third innings with the 146 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:08.000 bases loaded, they could have scored more in the third 147 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.920 inning if not forgetting a fly ball to center field. 148 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.319 If the bases loaded in the third just just didn't 149 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.959 seem like there was a sense of urgency, a sense 150 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:19.240 of we need to win this game today and go 151 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:20.040 up to nothing. 152 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.279 I got you, And you know here, the way I 153 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.399 was looking at it was with I gotta go by 154 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.879 the feel. I gotta go by what my catcher is seeing, 155 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:33.399 what my catcher is telling me, and what us on TV. 156 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.040 You know that weren't at the stadium that can watch 157 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:38.560 this thing and see, you know where the pitches are 158 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:41.560 coming in. How he didn't have command of his secondary stuff. 159 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.920 So what the hitter can do is a hitter just 160 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.279 eliminates that secondary pitch and just sits on the fastball. 161 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.360 That's what Vento's did when he hit the grand Slam 162 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:51.519 to right center field. That ball was a little bit 163 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:53.639 in and he still hit it to right center field, 164 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:56.399 So that means that he was sitting on fastball the 165 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:00.839 whole way and just eliminating the offspeed pitch. It kind 166 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.879 of reminded me of what we saw in the first 167 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.720 outing with Yamamoto when he didn't have his stuff, when 168 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.079 his stuff was breaking up in the strike zone and 169 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.360 trying to come down which never made it. It never 170 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:12.920 made it past the belt. And when you're having curveballs 171 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.120 that are breaking downward and only reaching the belt. You 172 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:18.879 got huge issues with these guys, and so you got 173 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:21.480 to do a reset. And you know that's why I 174 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.360 say I depend on my catcher. He knows exactly how 175 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.639 that ball is breaking, he sees it coming out of 176 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.240 his hand, and the pit the catcher's got the best 177 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:32.320 perspective than anybody. Plus he knows the pitchers really well. 178 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:34.799 So I'm gonna lay I'm gonna rely on my catcher 179 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:35.840 to give me the best info. 180 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.600 Let's go back to yesterday postgame. Dave Roberts at the 181 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.679 podium at Dodgers Stadium, stood there and got a lot 182 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:47.000 of questions SAXY about his decision making the bullpen game, 183 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.519 why he didn't deviate from what they had planned to do. 184 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:53.240 Here's Dave Roberts post game yesterday after Dodgers drop game 185 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:54.399 two seven to three. 186 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:56.799 What was the plan to always go to him earlier? 187 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.200 Yeah, gay was the plan to go to him and 188 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:03.159 you know, take down the most outs tonight today. 189 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.080 Well, when that inning starts kind of going off the 190 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.000 rails a little bit, like, do you consider going to 191 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.080 one of the higher leverage guys at that point or 192 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.200 just with how things are set up today, were you 193 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.120 trying to save them a little bit till later in 194 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:13.519 the game. 195 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:18.159 Yeah, I really wasn't. I mean, I think in that situation, 196 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:20.200 you still got to be able to finish the game. 197 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.240 And you're talking about the second inning right there, and 198 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.360 so you have a guy on the mound that has 199 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:29.559 to eat up innings and yeah, you go to anyone else, 200 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:31.080 we're not going to be able to finish the game. 201 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:34.120 So I think as far as kind of where we're at, 202 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:39.559 it never feels good losing, but feel that you've got 203 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.399 your leverage guys ready to go for the next three games. 204 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:46.320 I feel really good about that. So it was as 205 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.279 least costly as it could be because of what Honeywell 206 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:55.679 did and Henriquez did, and so that was certainly helpful. 207 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:58.759 And you know, offensively, we got a chance to see 208 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.919 their guys, their leverage guys and force some updowns and 209 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:03.639 I think that was beneficial too. 210 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:05.440 Go to go, he had one in front. 211 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.399 They're kind of just curious that game against the Padres, 212 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.159 you guys kind of went high leverage guy after high 213 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.639 leverage guy and kind of saved neck there for the end. 214 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.000 Like what was different about maybe this matchup or this 215 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.480 particular game the guys just had to go with NAC. 216 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:22.879 I think today what was different is we don't have Vessia. 217 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:28.320 Hudson was down and that's probably the biggest kind of 218 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.519 impetus for having to knowing you're going to have to 219 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:33.919 take some outs from neck or else you just can't 220 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:34.559 finish the game. 221 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.360 And what you say out of Honeywell, and what role 222 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.200 can he kind of play as a serious. 223 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:43.600 He did exactly what we needed. He allowed us to 224 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.840 kind of eat up, chew up some innings, keep us 225 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.440 in the ballgame. You know, he's just kind of a 226 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.519 guy that we just trust and so to be able 227 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:55.840 to get left and right out, you know, those are 228 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:00.360 games innings that a guy like that gives us, gives 229 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.480 the best chance to win the following ensuing game. So 230 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:06.840 it's not lost on anyone that clubhouse what honey did 231 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:08.320 for us and Henriquez as well. 232 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.080 All Right, there's a Dave Roberts post game Yesterday's tax 233 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.919 he Brett Honeywell Junior pitched three shutout innings. He kept 234 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.039 him in the game in the fifth, sixth, and seventh 235 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:18.879 at Guardo Henriquez, who started the year in a ball 236 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.120 and Rancho Cucamonga pitches two innings of Game two of 237 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.639 the NLCS and ends up giving up a run in 238 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:26.919 the ninth inning and what was a three run deficit 239 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:28.919 all of a sudden felt out of reach at a 240 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.919 four run deficit seven to three, But he mentioned Landon 241 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.080 Nak needed to eat innings. Daniel Hudson wasn't available. They 242 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.799 don't have Alex Vessi on this postseason roster in the 243 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.120 NLCS because of the injury, So why not deviate. If 244 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:43.200 it's a one nothing game and it's gonna be a 245 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:45.759 close game, put the high leverage guys in to keep 246 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:48.080 it close until your offense can get going. Because you 247 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.720 have to assume I have one of the best offenses 248 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.799 in baseball. I've gotten MVPs up and down my lineup. 249 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.960 I'm gonna score some runs at some point, but until 250 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:01.200 I do so, I need high level guys that I've 251 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.000 relied on all season long to come in and pitch 252 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.120 and keep it a one nothing game, to keep it 253 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.440 at two nothing game, whatever it was at that point 254 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:10.879 in which you decide to go out and get land 255 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:12.919 and Neck in the second inning. If you even get 256 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:15.159 to land and Neck in the second I get it. 257 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:20.000 You needed him at some point awesome, great, But why then. 258 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.080 Well, it's just it's just his decision, you know what 259 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.840 I mean. If nat Landon Knach goes out there and shoves, 260 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.279 then you know we're gonna be saying, Wow, what a 261 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:30.279 great decision it was for him to bring him in 262 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.240 at this time. But I understand, you know, it's of 263 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:34.799 the moment. You got to you gotta have the high 264 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.039 leverage guys like they did before, to come out and 265 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.679 shut those things down. And then you know, roll the 266 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:41.960 dice with Land and Neck after your offense gets rolling 267 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:43.799 and assuming it will, and you got to think that 268 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.519 it will at some time in the game. But the real, 269 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.240 the real punisher for this whole situation in the game 270 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:51.320 was the fact that you don't have Vesia and you 271 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:53.840 don't have Daniel Hudson, two guys that can bring it, 272 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:55.919 two guys that are you know, high leverage guys too, 273 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.320 that you don't have the affordability to bring out at 274 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.279 those times because they're injured. So that's that was a 275 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:03.639 big shot for the Dodgers, I think, and they were 276 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:05.600 forced to use it. Sometimes you're gonna have to use 277 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:07.440 Land and Neck and I hate to put him in 278 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.159 that perspective, saying, well, you know, we got to use 279 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.080 this terrible guy, and it's not the point. We're only 280 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.159 speaking that because of what happened in the game. But 281 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:16.480 you know, if he goes out there and does a 282 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.279 great job, you know we're gonna be hailing it as 283 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.440 you know, a brilliant decision. But when you don't have 284 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:23.320 Hudson and you don't have Vesia, it really takes a 285 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:24.440 lot of the team out of your arms. 286 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.879 Yeah, guse instead of six high leverage relievers down in 287 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:29.320 the bullpen, you only have four, four that you can 288 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.960 go to, and you got a piece together. What then 289 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.279 at that point eight innings? So yeah, you do have 290 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:36.519 to use Honeywell, and you're gonna have to use land 291 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.279 and Neck at some point. But I'd push him, I'd 292 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.960 kick the can down the road, so to speak, with 293 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:44.600 a land and Neck and a Brent Honeywell until you 294 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:46.679 need them, maybe the game gets out of control and 295 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:48.360 then you go to them, and you saved the rest 296 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.399 of your high leverage guys. Daniel Hudson pitched the night before. 297 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:55.240 He pitched the eighth inning after Jake Jack Flaherty. It 298 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:58.879 was a nine to nothing game the Dodgers win. Why 299 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:02.039 are we using Daniel hung in a blowout game one win? 300 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.519 They went to Ben Casparius in the ninth inning. Why 301 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:07.879 not put Brent Honeywell in the eighth inning of the 302 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.159 night before and save all your high leverage guys for 303 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.279 the next day. Quick turnaround at Dodger statu I mean, 304 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:17.080 here's my other point that just continues to infuriate me 305 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:19.360 and more and more I think about it. You're saving 306 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.320 your high leverage relievers now for three days in a 307 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:25.159 row in New York. I just looked up Evan Phillips 308 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.799 game log this year. Not once did he pitch in 309 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.159 three straight games over the course of the year. Two 310 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:34.919 days in a row, sure, two out of three days maybe, 311 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.759 But he never pitched three days in a row. And 312 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.000 they've gotta play Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday in New York. 313 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.519 You're gonna ask all four of your high leverage relievers 314 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:47.240 now to pitch three games in a row in n LCS. 315 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:49.720 That's asking a lot, whereas you could have pitched them 316 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:52.720 all yesterday. It's a day game. You have all night, 317 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:55.519 you have all day today, you have all day tomorrow 318 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:57.840 to get ready because the first pitch is until eight 319 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:00.440 o'clock Eastern, So you have two days used to get 320 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:02.759 these guys ready and then still have them for two 321 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:04.320 of the three games there, which they're only going to 322 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:05.960 pitch in. They're not pitching in all three. 323 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:09.440 No, Well, I think the Dodgers are hoping, uh certainly 324 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.399 counting on too, and I would that you're gonna get 325 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.360 a really good, productive game out of Walker Bueller and 326 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:16.360 then you can, you know, just push that back a 327 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.200 little bit and be able to save these guys and 328 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:22.639 continue on the path of getting as much rest as possible, 329 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:25.759 like you were pointing out. So I think that's hopefully 330 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:29.320 going to be the case. What could be a big disaster. 331 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:31.159 And I don't I don't like to, you know, say 332 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:32.559 the things that are going to be bad, because I like 333 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:34.919 to look at the bright side of things. But if 334 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.080 you if you get like an inning or two out 335 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.440 of Walker Buller, I ain't gonna be good. Then you're 336 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:41.919 gonna be in a tough situation. You have to have 337 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:43.879 Walker Buller go out there and do some shoving and 338 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:47.080 get six hopefully out of him, like we did with 339 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:50.600 with we at a Yoshi when that was a big surprise. 340 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:52.440 I mean, we were hoping to get three or four 341 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.720 out of them, will we get seven, no, six, six. Yeah, 342 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:59.600 So that's that's hopefully what we're gonna get at Walker Buller. 343 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.960 The Dodgers, to me, made the bad decision yesterday in 344 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:06.600 this bullpenning game. And if you're gonna go with it, 345 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.559 I think you didn't go with it, and you gotta 346 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.000 go inning to inning and you gotta keep it close 347 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:13.960 eight sixty six nine eighty seven two five seventy. Again, 348 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:16.440 it's easy to say, as you said, Saxy, that land 349 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.559 and neck. If he goes out there and he puts 350 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:20.679 up zeros and he gets out of that second inning 351 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.519 with a run or no runs, and all of a sudden, 352 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:25.639 it's it's still a one nothing game going to third, 353 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:27.759 and he starts giving you more and more and starts 354 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:31.679 building the momentum. We're talking a different story today. Now, 355 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.639 it's choose your own adventure. The game develops in front 356 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:36.600 of you. You have to be able to adapt. And 357 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:39.120 I just felt like in the moment, Saxy, I just 358 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.799 felt like in that second inning, things really got out 359 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:44.759 of control and it could have been prevented. If it 360 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:46.480 felt like you could have put a stop to it 361 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.360 and say, you know what, Nac doesn't have it today. 362 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.120 Clearly he is struggling. I mean his slider is not 363 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:56.080 even close right, He can't get his curveball over his fastball. 364 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:58.519 They are just waiting, as you mentioned, you were brillantly mentioned, 365 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:01.000 they're just fouling off pitches to get the fastball. Yeah, 366 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:04.440 and cut my losses. All right, Hey, he doesn't have it. 367 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:06.400 I'm gonna ask some of these guys to get a 368 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.640 couple more outs than they're used to instead of two 369 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:10.920 outs in an inning or one out in an inning. 370 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.480 As a reliever, you may need to go one full inning, 371 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.480 you know, Michael Kopek or whoever's coming out of the bullpen, 372 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.039 Anthony Bonda, we may need you to get five. 373 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:20.839 Outs instead of three. 374 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.240 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with asking a guy to do 375 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.119 an extra out or two, especially in an NLCS game 376 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.279 like this. I just felt like in the moment, there 377 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.240 was a missed opportunity to keep the game close, to 378 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.400 keep it within a reach for your offense to go 379 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:35.200 out there and help you, because it just kind of 380 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.759 felt like, hey, we're gonna score runs. It's just a 381 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:38.400 matter of time. 382 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.319 Yeah, And sometimes what happens with pitchers like we saw 383 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:47.119 there with with him is that you know he doesn't 384 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.319 have it. Right off the bat, you can tell that 385 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.920 that he just didn't have it, and you know, after, 386 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.319 you know, he throws one of those other pitches, secondary 387 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.480 pitch for a strike and he starts to feel a 388 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:01.240 little bit. He says, oh, okay, now he's coming back 389 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:03.039 a little bit. Lots of times what pitchers will do 390 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.359 if they can't get their fastball over, they'll throw a 391 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.720 curveball for a strike, and that seems to reset things. 392 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.279 So sometimes it can just be one pitch that he 393 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:13.920 can throw. You can use another pitch that you can 394 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:15.839 throw for a strike that can kind of reset you 395 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.480 and then you're on your way. And he just never 396 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.680 found that thing quick enough or he never found it 397 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.720 at all, really, And when you start eliminating pitches and 398 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.839 be able to sit on that fastball like you know, 399 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:28.799 like we saw with Vento's to hit the grand Slam 400 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:31.799 to right center field, it's just there's no hope there. 401 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:33.720