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Speaker 1: At at.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us for tonight's special livestream episode of

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the show. Everyone, I really appreciate it. Tonight's guest which

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is tru a mean anonymous. With that in mind, we're

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just gonna call him Jimmy. Jimmy, thanks so much for

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joining us. Thank you much for having me. Oh no,

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you're welcome. We appreciate your time. Jimmy, you're featured on

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episode four oh one, and on that show you told

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us about the first dog man encounter you've had. For

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anyone who's missed that encounter that show, please tell us

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about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I'm forty four other than Somerset, New Jersey,

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and I've been following your show for probably the closet

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to eight years now. And yeah, I had a dog

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man encounter. My first dog man encounter was back in

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twenty seventeen at my i now in law's house.

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Speaker 2: It's funny how when you talk with eyewitnesses, so many

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eyewitnesses what I have over the years. In a lot

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of ways, the encounters tend to run together. But there

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are certain encounters where you remember bits and pieces about

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them because this stood out or that did with you

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when you had that first encounter. You told us on

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the show about your friend who you said he was

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a little on the heavy side, but when you two

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saw the dog man, you took off and left him

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and apologized to him. But you're getting out of dodge. Well,

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next thing you know, you said that you saw your

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buddy come blowing right past you, and I thought that

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was so funny. Yeah, I'll never forget that encounter. And

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speaking of that, for anyone who missed that episode, please

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talk us through what happened when you had that first experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeh, okay, that's funny. That put a smile on my face. Okay,

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so that took that That took place back in nineteen

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ninety nine and I was with a friend of mine

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and we were walking down.

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Speaker 2: I got it.

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Speaker 3: I had to be around midnight, and we were walking

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near this house that had a I don't remember if

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it was a German shepherd, if it was a Doberman,

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and his dog was barking at us, and we were

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probably over one hundred yards away, but it just kept barking,

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and then out of nowhere, it's like, you know, just

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stopped barking. Everything was quiet, and then we heard this

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very loud growl. I'm standing on the left side of

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the road and my friend is standing on the right

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side of the road, and the growl was more closer

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to me. So as soon as we heard the growl,

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it was just a knee jerk reaction.

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Speaker 2: I just I didn't even think about him was.

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Speaker 3: A terrible friend, but I just left as quick as possible,

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and I thought I left him in the dust. And

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it was just like you know you see on the

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Bugs Bunny cartoon where the one guy thinks he's running

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fast and all of a sudden, my friend he blows

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right by me, and I'm like, oh, man, Like I

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didn't think he had afterburners like that. So he left

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me in the dust, and I was the one that

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was going to be the slow poke.

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Speaker 2: But it's funny.

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Speaker 3: I actually saw the guy not too long ago, and

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we've chatted about that. It was we had a good

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chuckle about it. And then he punched me in the arm.

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I was like, all right, well, I deserved that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you took it well, but as

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you know, a lot of people wouldn't because you're basically

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hanging them out to dry. I don't blame you when

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things go sideways like that. You never know you're gonna respond,

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and you can't be faulted for doing that. But did

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you ever act like you might have held a grudge

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against you for doing that?

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Speaker 3: I think if it had actually turned out to be something,

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because it was just it was just the noise.

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Speaker 2: That we heard.

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Speaker 3: We didn't see anything. We didn't hear anything following us.

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Speaker 2: Actually, it's funny because.

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Speaker 3: If legend has it in that area, there was rumors

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that there was like a mountain lion wandering around there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how far back, Like I said, this

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is nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Ninety nine, but you know there's all these legends and

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oak Pales. So I think the fact that it was

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just okay, we heard something, we ran, and then that

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was like the end of it. And by the time

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we stopped running, you know, there was nothing behind us.

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So no, we I mean, we're just doing the close

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friends and we we didn't He didn't ever seem to

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hold a grudge against me or anything like that. I

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just remember saying like, I just can't believe how fast

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you were. He's like, yeah, I always have to make

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sure because he has a brother, he said, I always

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have to make sure I was faster than my brother.

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It's not the first time I've had to run away

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from something.

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Speaker 2: Well, fear is quite the motivator, so things like that

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do happen. And I'm so glad it didn't damage your

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friendship or anything like that. Thank goodness. Yeah yeah, nah, yeah,

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I wouldn't have been a good thing. It's been a

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long time since we spoke. Since that last conversation we've had.

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What's your mindset been like regarding dog men?

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Speaker 3: It's still on my mind on a daily basis. I'm

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still very wary. But at the same time, I have

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a life to live and you know, I'm a father,

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I'm a husband, you know, I have responsibilities. I have

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things that I need to get done in this life.

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And you know, I'm not going to say that I'm

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going to go flop myself in the middle of the

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woods by myself, and you know, pretend that I have

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no fear. But at the same time, I'm not going

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to let that fear dictate how I go about my

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daily life.

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Speaker 2: Well that's good. I'm glad you can still function then

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do everything that you need to do to live your

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life the right way. So as long as you can

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say that that's great news. In twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen,

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you had an experience with your wife that just might

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have been dogged me and related without giving away any

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details about the encounter, did your wife see a dog

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man when the two of you had that experience, No,

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she did not. She didn't. If she didn't see one,

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then what's her whole mindset when it comes to these guys.

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Speaker 3: I would say she's not a believer, but she's a sympathizer.

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I think she. I mean, she knew me. She's known

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me since twenty ten, so you know, she's seen how I,

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how I was beforehand, and then how I was after

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the encounters. And I think once she saw that I

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wasn't doing this like embellishing that it really seemed to

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kind of put me on my heels for quite a while.

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I think she eventually came around to being very supportive. Actually,

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you know, she's my number one supporter, so you know,

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I think it took a little bit for her to

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wrap her wrap her mind around the idea. I can't

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say for certain exactly what her mindset is, but through

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conversations that we've had, she's never like poked fun at

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me for it or you know, she knows it's a

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sore spot for me, and it'd be very easy for

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somebody to you know, expose that and you know, take

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cheap shots. But she she doesn't do that. She's she's

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been extremely supportive.

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Speaker 2: She sounds like a keeper to me. Sounds like you

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have a really good wife. That's great, Yeah, I definitely do.

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Of course, that makes all the difference when you have

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an encounter with one of these things. Your second encounter, Jimmy,

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happened at a different property than the one you lived

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at when you had that first one. What can you

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tell us about this new place?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we're talking about the one that has to

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do with the main name title. So I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Can you just repeat the question real quick? Sure, no problem.

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I'm just wondering what you can tell us about this

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new property since it's a different property. When you had

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that first encounter, it was a totally different place. Okay.

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Speaker 3: About the property, Okay, so it's in my wife's family

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and we have two and a half acres and where

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not very excuse me, we're not very far off from civilization. Really,

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I'm we're kind of like in a perfect island surrounded

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by woods. We're not too far from the canal. The

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back of our property butts up to the d n R,

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so it's all preserved.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: There there's a cornfield that is in the back of

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our property. We technically own part of that cornfield, but

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the local farmer he he tends to it.

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Speaker 2: She takes care of the for the porn and all that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we we have our own privacy back here,

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and you know, we have quite a bit of wildlife,

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ranging from you know, raccoons, deer, groundhogs, ioty. Apparently the

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occasional dog man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say more than apparently. That's a definitive thing. Unfortunately.

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All right, Jimmy, please tell us about this most recent encounter.

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Now give us ever last detail that comes to mind. Okay, So.

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Speaker 3: The most recent encounter.

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Speaker 2: I had to do with.

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Speaker 3: I was coming home from from dropping off my son.

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Was on a Wednesday, and I believe it was around

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this time of year, and I was driving down a

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nearby road and I had seen a fox on in

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the middle of the road, and you know, that's that's

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very normal. So but I just decided to just kind

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of you know, beat my horn and rep my engine

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and just okay, come.

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Speaker 2: On, get out of the way.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to ring you over, just move it along.

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side of the road and actually took off in the

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direction towards my house. So I actually said to myself

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out loud, and I was like, all right, I guess

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I'll see you later. So I get to the end

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of the road, make the left, pull down onto my road,

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and full into my driveway, walk into the house, say

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hello to my wife. And a little while later, I'm

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just sitting in the rec room playing with our two cats.

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have a paramount of trees, and we have motion lights

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on some of those trees. And one of those lights

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kept going off. So I I made a mental note

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and excuse me, sorry, I guess just strive there for

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Speaker 2: So my wife had.

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Speaker 3: Noticed that one of the the motion lights was going

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off kind of like right in the middle of the property.

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that that light keeps going off. You I want to

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go see what that's all about. So, being the good husband,

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I said, all right, sure, So I go out there. Now,

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I don't own any firearms. The most the deadliest thing

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I own is a sword and a crossbow, so that

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would meant to play later. Uh. So I head out

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there with a flashlight and a little uh.

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Speaker 3: So you know, coyotes are a fairly normal thing for

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us to come across. So I uh, I go into

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the backyard sign the flashlight and I'm looking at the

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light where the where the motion light had gone off,

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and sure enough, I see the fox out there and

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he's running away, but he's being chased by something, you know,

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appears to be a little larger than him. So I

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follow with my flashlight. I thought I signed the light

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on the two animals, and I see that it's a coyote.

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So the coyotes chasing off the box and I'm like, oh, okay,

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like it's it's it's not all that common. I would

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say it's on average, we've been here four and a

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half years. I would say on average we see maybe

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we have about a dozen cootes sightings per year, so common,

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but not that common. We so let's see the coyote

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and I'm I'm just like, okay, that's that's odd. But

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then the coyote just kind of seems to give up

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on the chase, and.

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Speaker 2: So I.

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Speaker 3: Take my flashlight and now I'm scanning my backyard. So

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just to give you a quick pick, sure, if you

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go into my backyard from patio, to the left is

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the corner field, and then you get to a little

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white shed, and then to the right there is a

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big red barn which has a bunch of spotlights and

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motion lights on it, just because when we moved out

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to the property, it just gets it gets really dark

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out there, and having had my first encounter, I said

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to my wife, we really need to light this place up.

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So we've added quite a few lights. So sorry, I digress.

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So I'm noticing that in the cornfield now, all the

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corn had been chopped down already, so it's just open

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field now. But you know it's you can hear the leeves,

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you know, crunching, and the dry corn, the bits of

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corn that are still there, they crunch wing to walk

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on them, and I can hear all that. And I

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take my leg and I'm just scanning from left the right,

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and all of a sudden, I see these pairs of

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eyes and I start to count because I'm like, it's

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not It's very common to have a herd of deer

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anywhere between like two to ten deer on any given

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morning or night. So I'm thinking, okay, it's just a

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heard of deer. And I'm looking and I count one, two,

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three pairs of eyes, and I go all the way

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up to about a dozen, and I would say total,

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there was about fourteen or fifteen.

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Speaker 2: What would be.

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Speaker 3: Coyotes that were just hanging out in that thornfield, which

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for me to them was probably about seventy five yards away,

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so far enough for you know, there to be a

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good amount of distance where I could scoop back in

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the house if I needed to. So they all pay

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attention to me, and I actually looked at the BB

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gun in my hand, and I actually laughed, and I said,

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what is this going to do? This is just going

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to tickle them. I'm better off just you know, throwing

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it at them and just kind of get away. But

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I decided not to do that, realizing that these are

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predators and the odds are not in my favor. So

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I was like, all right, well, this is still my

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property and I'm going to defend my turf. So I

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back into my house. So I'm in the middle of

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the middle of the back yard and I'm walking backwards

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towards my patio, which leads to my back door. And

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at this time I get inside and my wife's on

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the phone with somebody, and she says.

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Speaker 2: What was it? And I said it was a coyote.

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Speaker 3: So I go how many? I said, all of them?

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And she just says, be careful. So I head back

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outside and my crossbows in the garage, which you can

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get too, right from my patio. So I'm like, all right,

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if I need to take one of these things down

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just to send a message, I'll do that. Hopefully it

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doesn't come to that. So I go into the garage,

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grab the crossbow, still have the light, the flashlight. I

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actually just remember I do have a flashlight on the crossbow.

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It's just something I rigged up. Nothing you know, efficient

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or anything like that. I've never actually had to actively

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use this crossbow other than target practice. So I take

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my previous position out in the backyard and I noticed

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that these pack of coyotes have started to move in

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a little bit, and there's four that seemed to be

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the leaders because they're pretty much like the offensive line,

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and they're all standing, you know, shoulder to shoulder, and

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they're not coming into the light. I would if I

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remember correctly, it was probably close to, if not a foam,

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because there was a decent amount of light coming from

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the sky, not just the motion lights, so I could

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see silhouettes but no details. So they're doing a good

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job of staying out of you know, the lights, which

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makes sense. You know, they're stealthy predators, so I'm not

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hearing any growling or anything like that. But then I

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go to take aim because I'm I'm looking to stand

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my ground here and you're not just gonna come around

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and run me off.

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Speaker 2: So then.

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Speaker 3: It was it literally seemed out of nowhere. So, like

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I said, if you're looking at my backyard from from

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left to right, Cornfield, white shed and then the big

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red barn, well coming from behind the barn, the first

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thing I see are these pair of eyes. And these

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eyes are about the size of clementines, a little smaller

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than an orange. But they are first and clear.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 3: They look they look. I mean they're like piercing through

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the night. And it came from behind the barn and

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catched to them. I could see just like the couties.

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I could see a silhouette. I can't see very many features,

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but I could see the outline of a dogments really

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no other phrase to use their words to put to it.

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Speaker 2: It was a dogmit.

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Speaker 3: I could see the outline of the ears sticking up.

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I could see the little cups of hair in the

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middle of the ears. I could see the head I

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can't see. I could see the snout like a little bit,

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but it's pretty much looking dead at me. And you know,

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I didn't see any teeth because I saw him assuming

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the mouth was closed. But these eyes are locked dead

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on me. So it's coming from the right to the left.

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And it took maybe three seconds from it to get

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from behind the barn to walk behind the white shed.

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And at first my mind is thinking, are those orbs

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and they were not, because then those eyes and that

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silhouette here on the other side of the shed, and

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that's when and then it stopped. It just stopped and

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really just stood there. And it was kind of like

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surveying the situation. And I had noticed that the coyotes

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didn't seem to react too much to the dog man,

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but the dog man is just standing there on the

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edge of the grass, right at the edge of the cornfield,

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just seeing what's going on. I'm thinking to myself, this

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just went from bad to worse. So I lowered the

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crossbow and I'm like, well, clearly I'm not going to

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be using this. And my heart's beating like rapidly.

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Speaker 2: I could, I could feel it in my chest.

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Speaker 3: And one thing I forgot to mention was this dogan.

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It announced it's present at first because of crowd, that

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deep resonating grow and it really just it felt like

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a mini earthquake. You know, my closest neighbor isn't all

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that far from me, and I mean she's elderly, but

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I'm not surprised she didn't hear it. But because I

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don't know if it was, I forget what people say

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that it could be in a sound.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But that grow is what got everybody's attention, my attention,

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to coyote's attention. Now they were still all staring at me,

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and that's now have the coyotes and the dog men

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all eyes are on me, and that's way more attention

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than I want. I'm out here just to kind of

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see if there's a fox running around, and all of

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a sudden, I run into so many of these coyotes,

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I mean, fifteen on one, and then you add the

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big one on top of it. And that's when I

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just decide, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna just I'm packing it in, you know, like

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you guys, this is not a fight that I'm looking

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to I'm not looking to enter this fight because clearly

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the odds are not in my favor. So the dog

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Man's staring at me, and you know, I'm noticing that

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some of the coyotes are starting to back off, just

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kind of go away. But those four that that front line,

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they are so close, like they're probably dare I say,

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fifty sixty feet from me. Still stay and everybody's doing

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a really good job staying out of these spotlights that

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I have doesn't light up the whole backyard, but it's

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up quite a bit. So I'm looking behind me, and

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my back door for me is probably about thirty thirty

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five feet, and the coyotes are about fifty or sixty

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feet from me, and the dog man is probably about

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i'd say, like seventy five feet.

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Speaker 2: I know I said originally that the.

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Speaker 3: That the cornfield was seventy five yards, and I apologize,

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I'm not the best with distances, but.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just not looking good for me.

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Speaker 3: So I decided, Okay, I'm going to lower the crossbow

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to show them not a threat. And I'm also not

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trying to make direct eye contact with anybody. So I'm

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just slowly starting to walk backwards, and I'm thinking myself, run, run,

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just run, saying no, don't run. That's just going to

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make things a hell of a lot worse. And you

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won't even make it to the door, you know, then

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you're just going to cause your ticket to get punched.

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So I'm slowly backing away, and I turned my head

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a little bit just to see how far, so I

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don't want to trip over like a rock or anything

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like that. And then when I turned back, the dog

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Man's gone, but those coyotes are still there. There's at

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least ten coyotes still staring at me. So I slowly

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just start backing in and I make it inside. My

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wife is nowhere, so I make it in the house

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and I put the crossbow away, and I I go

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to the wreck room, which has a window that overlooks

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the whole backyard, and I look, and I see like

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there's still a handful of coyotes, and now they're just

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kinda you know, they know they've won. You know, it's

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like now they're just gonna hang out in the backyard.

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And I actually got very angry because I'm like, you

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know what, like I wanted to defend my territory. But

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at the same time, I knew that I made the

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right decision because I didn't want that night to be

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my last night. So that's that's pretty much that encounter

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with everything that had to do with the coyotes and

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the dog.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's a lot. That's the last thing you're

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expecting when you're sitting there in the house. End I

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trying then whine, how far were you from home when

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you saw that fox for the first time? While you're

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driving home?

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Speaker 3: It was only a minute, it was it was to

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get to my house. It's like, you go down this

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one street, which is where I saw. The street that

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I saw the fox was parallel to my house, so

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as crow flies, it was maybe a quarter of a mile.

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Speaker 2: I see a quarter of a mile. Yeah, that's really close.

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Then when you first saw it being chased by the coyotes,

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were they on your property or behind it When you

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went out the back door, they were on they were

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on my property. They were in the backyard. I see.

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He said to live on about two acres. And then

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there's that cut down the harvested cornfield behind you. So

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I wasn't sure if when you saw them they were

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in that cornfield or if they're actually on your property.

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So thanks for clearing it up for me. Coyotes don't

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normally abandon chase as very easily. Do you think they

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stopped chasing the fox because you were there or some

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other reason?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was it appeared to be just myself

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and the coyotes. Maybe they were aware.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you hear you hear these stories where

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coyotes and dog Man kind of hang out together, and

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maybe they knew that their boss was nearby. So I

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don't know, maybe they were kind of in kohoos. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they were in

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cahoots at all. A lot of credible eyewitnesses reported seeing

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coyotes running with dog Man. It wouldn't be first or

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unprecedented in any way. Did the coyotes seem to be

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under the dog man's control.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I would say, yes, he seemed to have you know,

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I say he it seemed to have, you know, like

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invisible leashes on these things, like you know, if it

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gave whatever command to you know, attack or you know,

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to advance on me, I think it would they would

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have listened. But yeah, I mean nobody. It almost was

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a stalemate until I started backing away. But oh well,

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something I forgot was that I had an air horn

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with me before I went and got my crossbow. And

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the only time that the Cootes really seemed to, you know,

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approach in a somewhat aggressive way was.

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Speaker 2: I want to go, what to go?

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Speaker 3: Squeeze this air horn, which I hadn't used in a while,

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and instead of it blaring a loud noise, it just

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sent out almost like a whistle noise, which was basically

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like ringing the dinner bell. And they heard it, and

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they actually started to come closer, and I said, all right,

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I am not using this thing anymore, and I actually

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threw it down to the ground. I went out the

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next morning and I got it. But yeah, that was

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not a good call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it. How to be awfully disheartening to

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hear that pitiful whistle come out instead of a blast. Yeah,

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that was.

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Speaker 3: I have not bought another air horn from that store.

474
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Speaker 2: Can I see, I'll blame you. How close were the

475
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,679
coyotes getting to the dog man?

476
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,119
Speaker 3: I would say, so the coyotes were in front of

477
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,079
the white barn, I'm sorry, the white shed, and the

478
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:49,000
dog man was walking behind the white shed. It came

479
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:52,880
from behind the red barn, made itself known, and then

480
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,960
walked on the other side of the white shed. So

481
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:02,840
I would say no more than like twenty twenty five feet.

482
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,559
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's pretty close. When the dog would walk

483
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:10,840
to the other side of that white shid. Was it

484
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,280
in a hurry or was it pretty deliberate with its movements?

485
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: I felt it was very deliberate, like it was. I mean,

486
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,920
it was a very steady movement, and I felt like,

487
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:31,280
how can I put it? From when I first saw

488
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,880
its eyes until when it stopped moving, it was probably

489
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:44,119
about like around fifteen seconds, and it was just creeping

490
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:51,639
along at a very steady pace, in no rush, and

491
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:53,679
it was like it was almost like its head was

492
00:35:53,679 --> 00:36:00,639
looking directly at me, but its body was moving, you know, sideways,

493
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,320
kind of like you see, like you know, back in

494
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,400
the in the forties, when you see these guys are

495
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,920
like snapping everything like they're getting ready for a rumble,

496
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,760
and it's like they're they're looking dead at you, but

497
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,639
their bodies not.

498
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: Facing the same way as their head.

499
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 3: Like he was definitely checking out what was going on,

500
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,800
And you know, clearly I don't I don't think he uh,

501
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,079
I don't think he approved, but not to the point

502
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:29,960
where action needed to be taken.

503
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness for that. While all this was going on,

504
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,199
did you ever notice any foul smells out there?

505
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: No, not really, not to my uh not not to

506
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:54,719
my recollection. I don't. I don't remember there being any smells.

507
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: Well, if there were, I'm pretty sure you would have

508
00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,360
noticed it, So there must not have been. How out

509
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,599
ambient noise? Was there a lack of ambient noise? Or

510
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,480
were the noises normal?

511
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: That's one thing I will say is that as soon

512
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:16,039
as I stepped outside to investigate what the what the

513
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:20,440
what the fox was doing? As soon as I stepped outside,

514
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:25,199
it was, I mean definitely quiet, which was the first

515
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:32,519
tip off, you know, And I may I realized that

516
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,920
as I'm out there in this situation just like, Wow,

517
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:43,440
there's there's no you know, insects making noise, there's no nothing.

518
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was very apparent right away. Well, I

519
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:50,400
don't need to tell you that's a normal feature of

520
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,559
a dog man encounter. It's hard to explain, but it's

521
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:57,440
pretty normal. If all you could see of the dog

522
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,159
man was its outline that night, did it seem like

523
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,239
it's for was absorbing the light from your flashlight?

524
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's something that I don't know why, and

525
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,519
you even think it would make all the sense in

526
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:18,039
the world. But I never shine the flashlight towards the

527
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,159
dog man. I think when I had the crossbow in

528
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:26,920
my hand, the flashlight became secondary, and I never shine

529
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,360
the flashlight at the dog man.

530
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

531
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: Maybe it was like a subconscious thing, like don't do it.

532
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,480
Don't do it, because then it's going to be like

533
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,320
I mean, it's already one hundred percent real, but then

534
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,199
it's just going to I don't know. Maybe that, I mean,

535
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,559
I don't like when people shine lights in my face,

536
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:50,000
so I'm sure that would not have the only could

537
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,199
have made the situation worse.

538
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes they seem miffed by having a flashlight shined

539
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,000
shined in their faces. Other times it don't seem to care.

540
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,840
So it really doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor

541
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,960
reason to it. It's hard to figure. Did its demeanors

542
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,760
seem to change though, when it could tell that you

543
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,519
knew it was there.

544
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 3: I really don't think so, because it just kind of

545
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,000
had this this presence where it's almost like, you know,

546
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,079
when the kids are fooling around in the playroom and

547
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:28,599
then the adult comes in and just stands in the

548
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,400
corner and folds his arms and says, all right, what's

549
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,480
going on here? That's kind of how I felt. I

550
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:38,440
felt like, you know, this this creature came and was

551
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,480
just kind of seeing what was going on between the

552
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:47,239
coyotes and myself and kind of put everybody in their place,

553
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,159
Like it got me to retreat back into the house,

554
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:53,000
and they've got the coyotes to kind of move along

555
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,760
with their business. So you know, that's kind of a

556
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,280
stance that I feel like it took. Was a very authoritative,

557
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:03,960
non aggressive.

558
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: Way to be well, it's definitely in charge out there,

559
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,880
and it obviously knew it. If the dog man was

560
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,360
about seventy five feet from you when you saw it

561
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,079
at first, it could have grabbed you before you've made

562
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,360
it to your back door. Did that aspect of the

563
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:27,519
encounter cause you to have any nightmares? Nightmares?

564
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:35,519
Speaker 3: No, but that is not lost on me because I

565
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,960
constantly I'm going in my backyard at night. And yeah,

566
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,039
I hate to say it, at forty four years old,

567
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:49,360
I'm still checking around corners to you know, to see

568
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,960
if the boogeyman is there, you know, So it's it's

569
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,119
right in the front of my mind. But like I said,

570
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,239
you know, it's like I have a life to live,

571
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:10,280
so you know, the fairs there, and it's it's always

572
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,559
going to be there. But I don't want it to

573
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:17,159
have idea of debilitating hold on me.

574
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, it doesn't. And that's more than a

575
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,280
lot of eyewitnesses can say, unfortunately, And I'm just so

576
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,639
glad that you don't have that problem. When you turn

577
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,840
your back to look for the dog man after looking

578
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,840
towards your house, you said it was gone. Was the

579
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,920
SHD the only place that could have hidden from you

580
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:40,639
in such a short period of time. No, there's the

581
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:41,639
back of our property.

582
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: We call it the mini woods because there's a there's

583
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,559
a lot more smaller or excuse me, skinnier trees in

584
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:56,039
the back of our property. And there's a lot of

585
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,719
brush back there. That's where we like dump our leaves

586
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,239
or grass. It easily could have skirted around the corner

587
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,360
back there.

588
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: It's like the.

589
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: Election of trees back there, Like gues said, we call

590
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,039
it the maining woods, and they're all bunched together with

591
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:18,559
a lot of brush and thorns, and you know, it

592
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:24,239
actually forms an island. So anything, whether it be just

593
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,280
something the size of a dog man or you know,

594
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:33,199
we've we've found you know, raccoons hiding back there. So

595
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,960
now that easily could have been another spot where it's

596
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,679
it could have hit and actually, yeah, that just gave

597
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:41,480
me a little shiver.

598
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,039
Speaker 2: Well, understand that really foreigny, nasty places like that where

599
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:49,079
people don't want to go. That's like a holiday in

600
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,280
for dog man. For some reason, they tend to just

601
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,360
love that. So yeah, it might have spent a lot

602
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,079
of time back there. It wouldn't be surprising to me

603
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:00,000
at least if it did. How far is this new

604
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:08,320
property from where you used to live. I'd say it's

605
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,199
only it's.

606
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: Maybe five seven miles. It's almost a straight shot to

607
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,559
be honest with you. You know, actually earlier this evening

608
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:31,280
we were at my inma's house and ironically enough, my

609
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,800
nephews were playing in the same spot where I saw

610
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:40,400
my first dog man, and yeah, driving home, it only

611
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:46,320
took ten twelve minutes and that's you know, figure forty

612
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,480
forty five miles an hour. Forty miles an hour then, yeah,

613
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,159
I would say about five seven miles.

614
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:57,199
Speaker 2: So they are close together. Then you know, it's just

615
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,440
a hop skipping to jump for a dog man. Unfortuately,

616
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:03,159
do you think this dog man just might be the

617
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,119
same one you encountered the first time around?

618
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because that first dog man was enormous.

619
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:21,480
Like I said, with that first encounter, I was staring

620
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:26,920
at at the basketball hoop in the back of my

621
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:34,119
in law's property, and that dog man's head, although it

622
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:38,199
was standing probably about ten feet away from the basketball hoop,

623
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,760
its neck was even with basketball hoop and a figure

624
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:52,320
that's a ten foot hoop. This dog man, the more

625
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,000
recent one, didn't look quite as big. I mean, trust me,

626
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:59,920
it was still huge, but I would I would guesstimate

627
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,679
it to be around eight feet tall. It didn't look

628
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,400
like it was just standing up, like puffing at his

629
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:08,559
chest or anything like that. It definitely looked like it

630
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:13,000
was kind of like, you know, creeping along punched over,

631
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:16,800
because when I saw it, you know, like I said,

632
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,400
I could see the outline of the head, and I

633
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,159
could see a little bit of the shoulders. This thing

634
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:27,360
was broad, and but it didn't look like it would

635
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,599
be like a ten foot or anything over that.

636
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:40,199
Speaker 2: It looked a rough guess would be you know, seven

637
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,079
eight feet. Well that's still pretty darn big, big enough

638
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:48,039
to give you the willies, that's for sure. Did you

639
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,800
ever ask any neighbors if they might have seen anything?

640
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,960
I guess you could say unusual. Of course, you're not

641
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,400
going to come out and ask them if they've ever

642
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,880
seen any were wolves or quote unquote dogmen. But did

643
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,199
you ever ask around about that?

644
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: The only person that I asked was my grandmother in law,

645
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,199
was the owner of the product, and I asked her

646
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,760
before we moved in there, because we moved to this

647
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,639
property in twenty twenty, right in the middle of the pandemic,

648
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,000
and I was not thrilled about moving into the woods,

649
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,880
but it was everything that we needed for the given time,

650
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:38,039
and I asked her about wildlife, and I mean she's

651
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:44,519
ninety two, and so she's been there, done that. And

652
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:48,199
she told me she's like, oh, yeah, there's coyotes out here,

653
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,119
and you know, there was a bear sighting, and so

654
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,280
my ears perked up about the bear sighting because it's

655
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,440
not like I want to run into.

656
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: A bear either.

657
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:58,679
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, how recently, she's about about

658
00:46:58,719 --> 00:46:59,440
twenty years ago.

659
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, okay.

660
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: So but as far as my neighbors, I mean, my

661
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,679
wife and I we're in our forties. Our neighbors to

662
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,320
the right, they're a little bit younger than us, and

663
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,920
they have kids. Everybody else on the property, everybody, excuse me,

664
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,480
everybody else on.

665
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: The road is seventy years old or up. You know.

666
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,559
Speaker 3: We wave and say hello to each other, but I

667
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:31,320
don't really engage in too much conversation. I have talked

668
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:38,880
to my neighbor to the right. I'll call him Elliott,

669
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,280
and anytime that I do see a coyote, I did

670
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,880
text him anytime that I do see a coyote, you know,

671
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,760
because his kids are a little bit younger than mine.

672
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,360
And I said, dude, just you know, watch yourself because

673
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,840
his property is a little bit more would ze than mine.

674
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:06,800
Mine's a little bit more like open space. So I

675
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,360
give him the heads up, him or his wife, and

676
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,840
so we've never we've never talked about anything quote unquote unusual.

677
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:18,440
I don't want to scare him, but at the same time,

678
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,760
like I don't want him to to, you know, think

679
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,639
I'm crazy. We're we're friendly, We're not. I wouldn't say

680
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:31,719
we're friends, we're acquaintances. But it's not something that I

681
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,199
would be opposed to.

682
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.

683
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 3: I guess being in his company, it hasn't crossed my mind.

684
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:45,480
I mean, it's not like I enjoyed thinking about the

685
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:49,880
dog man all the time, but you know, I could

686
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,239
see us having that conversation in the future.

687
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:56,159
Speaker 2: It really does make you wonder if the prior owner

688
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:59,320
had any experiences with that guy. I wouldn't be surprised

689
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:05,280
if they did. Yeah, I've I mean i've had.

690
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:13,599
Speaker 3: I have had an account actually two weeks ago with

691
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,280
a I believe it was another dog Man, But I've

692
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:25,480
I've never uh, he's never said anything to me about anything.

693
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:30,920
Really as far as like dangers go, he's got it.

694
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,920
He's got a fair amount of people living with him.

695
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,440
I think he's got his brother and they have a

696
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,199
lot of heavy equipment, a heavy machinery.

697
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 2: He owns his own so truck company.

698
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,199
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's constantly making a lot more noise than

699
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:49,440
I am.

700
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you must be. If he has

701
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:57,920
machinery like that sitting around, then that dog me might

702
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,400
spend time over there just looking around the equipment for

703
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,760
critters to eat and other things to get into. They're

704
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,719
very intelligent, and the more intelligent you are, the easier

705
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,719
it is for you to become bored. So I wouldn't

706
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,960
be surprised if it did that. So you never know.

707
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:19,159
From what I understand, your property is a kind of

708
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,559
duality to it when it comes to the vibe it

709
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:27,119
puts off during the day versus at night. Please expand

710
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,519
on that for us.

711
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, my property is quite a wonderful place when when

712
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,000
you come to my property during the day, it's a

713
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:46,280
place where.

714
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,079
Speaker 2: I like to let my kids.

715
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: You know, every ring. You know, our front yard is

716
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,440
a decent size. The backyard is the meat detat is

717
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:02,079
of the proper pretty like I said, the back bump

718
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:09,519
bumps up to the dn R and so I mean

719
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:14,199
it's it's beautiful, it's relaxing. We actually get a lot

720
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,840
of compliments about how how spacious it is, and you know,

721
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,000
especially moving in the middle of a pandemic, a lot

722
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,679
of people enjoyed coming over here, so you can kind

723
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:28,719
of space out. You know, we have a fire pit

724
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:35,360
in the middle, and you know, but once nightfall comes,

725
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:42,199
there's a lot of shadows. There's a lot of darkness.

726
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: And I've always.

727
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: Said, and I've heard other people say this, I'm not

728
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:47,880
afraid of the dark.

729
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm afraid of what's in the dark.

730
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:57,119
Speaker 3: And so hence my desire to put as many lights

731
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:02,280
up on trees or uh spotlights on on the barns

732
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:10,199
it's possible, just because it's unsettling. But at the same time,

733
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,760
you know, I try to look at things through a

734
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,880
positive light and.

735
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: You know, realize that.

736
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: It's it's a gift and we're lucky to be here,

737
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:25,320
and we.

738
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: You know, we want to enjoy as much as possible.

739
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:43,480
So sorry, I didn't think you're done there. It really

740
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:45,519
is a shame that has got that creep factor to

741
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:49,079
it at night. That sounds like from listening to you

742
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,719
describe how it feels, I kind of get the feeling

743
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,679
like you just can't enjoy the property after dark the

744
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:55,400
way you want to.

745
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. It does cause some angst. I'll many

746
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:06,159
times I'll sit out at the bonfire by myself, you know,

747
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:08,039
and I like getting a rip worn fire going.

748
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: I do take refuge in the fact.

749
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,559
Speaker 3: That you know, a big fire is around me, and

750
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:20,039
you know, a certain amount of protection. I mean, I'm

751
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:23,559
not naive to the fact that I don't have anything

752
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:28,079
in my possession that would stop a large predator, let

753
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:34,519
alone a dog man. But you know, I do try

754
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:38,719
to force myself to sit out there, you know, enjoy

755
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,639
the night. But it always takes, uh always takes a

756
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,719
lot of a lot of courage to do. So there's

757
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,639
times where I'll have a friend or two over and

758
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,519
if I have to, you know, excuse myself go inside

759
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,880
to you know, use the bathroom, grab a coffee or whatever.

760
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,199
I'll come back out and they're like, man, this place really,

761
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,000
you know it could you know, it's great, but it

762
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,960
it can give you the creeps.

763
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:07,679
Speaker 2: I can understand why you are compromised at your property,

764
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,639
but it really is a shame that you are. I mean,

765
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,400
that should be your castle. You should be able to

766
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,840
walk around the whole property and not feel angst like that.

767
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:19,760
But like I said, I totally get it. I understand.

768
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,039
Does this mean listening to you talk about how you

769
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:25,480
feel about the place after dark? Does this mean that

770
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:27,800
if you have one more dog mean encounter there, that

771
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:35,599
you're going to be looking to move. No, I don't

772
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:35,960
think so.

773
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't we have an arrangement with how

774
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,519
long we are allowed to live here. I don't think

775
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:46,719
we're going to be If I talk to you in

776
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,920
ten years, I'd be surprised if we're still living here.

777
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: But I mean, so far, so good.

778
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I've had I had an encounter, you know,

779
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,119
two years ago, and and like I said, I had

780
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:08,480
another encounter two weeks ago. And you know, there's there's

781
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:13,760
been there's there's been you know, no altercation where there's

782
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:19,039
been any you know, destruction or damage of any kind.

783
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,880
It's just kind of been. You know, I'm looking at you,

784
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,599
you're looking at me. Not to say that, you know,

785
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:31,039
there aren't times where you know, I don't know if

786
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:37,199
there's ever been happing on windows or sometimes you get

787
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:41,480
the feeling of being watched, But I don't always see

788
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:43,880
eyes peaking out looking at me. But sometimes you just

789
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,039
kind of have the intuition that you know you're being watched.

790
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:55,159
But you know, I told you in the first time

791
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:58,679
we talked recently that I am a big advocate of

792
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:05,519
self care and doing early early morning cold plunges, and

793
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,679
I I'm out in four three in the morning every morning,

794
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,599
jumping in the cold water, do the cold plunge, and

795
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:22,880
it's while the benefits are fantastic. Like I said, I

796
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,960
bring that spotlight out with me, that flashlight every time,

797
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:30,199
and I do a scam just to see what's out there.

798
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,159
And my wife even asked me, she said, why are

799
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:34,400
you doing that. I was like, why do you think

800
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,119
I'm doing? Like, come on, you know the answer to that.

801
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:41,440
And she's like, oh, okay, I didn't know. That's still

802
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,639
the thing. I'm like, this is going to be a

803
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:45,360
thing for the rest of my life. So it's just

804
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,920
it is what it is. But you know, I enjoyed

805
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,960
doing that, you know, the self care, the cold plunges,

806
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:57,280
and you know, I mean, if I think if I

807
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,360
actually saw a dog man that was encroaching on me,

808
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,000
then you know, I can tuck micro a real tale

809
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,039
between my legs and get inside and you know, I mean,

810
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:11,440
if the dogman wants to come inside, then I'm helpless,

811
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,880
you know. But I think what I really have tried

812
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,639
to do since the last encounter, I've really tried to

813
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:25,119
show a lot of respect, respect for the property, respect

814
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:30,519
for nature, you know, to give respect to get respect.

815
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,480
So that's how I'm choosing to look at it. That's

816
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,840
how I'm choosing to treat it. You know, I'll stand

817
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,800
my ground as much as I can. I'm not a

818
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,519
little guy. I'm not a huge guy, but I you know,

819
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,079
I definitely will dig my heels in when I need to.

820
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,400
But I also know when I'm not gonna, you know,

821
00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:58,239
try to finish a fight. But I'm not going to

822
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,280
try to start a fight I can't finish.

823
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:03,119
Speaker 2: I never understand how you can do those cold plunges

824
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:05,719
first thing in the morning like that, But it just

825
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,480
proves you're a tough cookie. I'll tell you what. Yeah, yeah,

826
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:12,079
I appreciate it.

827
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 3: I know it's not for everybody, but I mean, I

828
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,280
so there was a little bit of extra that I

829
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,239
wanted to mention. I had written down here about that

830
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,840
latest I call it the cold plunge encounter. I don't

831
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,320
know if you want me to dive into that or

832
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:33,559
please do okay, sure, So it was about two weeks ago.

833
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:39,519
Like I said, between four thirty and five o'clock. I'm

834
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:42,960
usually out there, and I think this time was around five,

835
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,119
so you know, we haven't gone through daylight savings yet,

836
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,000
so it's still very dark out there. And after I

837
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:54,559
do my cold plunches, I go into the grass where

838
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:57,079
I do this thing called grounding, where you just put

839
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:00,840
your bare feet on the ground and I do this

840
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,239
little it's like this little movement if anybody's ever seen,

841
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,880
you know, Karate Kid Part two or mister Bougi's teaching

842
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,719
Danielle how to do the drum technique. I'm a martial artist,

843
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:18,000
so I'm very familiar with this, so I'm doing this

844
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:20,800
drum technique movement. It's to help warm your body up

845
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,599
after being in cold water. And I'm always scanning. That's

846
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,920
just something I've always done, even before a dog man

847
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,320
ever entered my life. And I'm scanning the property, and

848
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,800
you know, at this time of year, the corn is

849
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,440
grown again. Worn I stood next to the corn. I'm

850
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:44,760
about six to one on a good day, and the corn,

851
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,239
I would say is seven and a half.

852
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: Eight feet tall.

853
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: So I'm scanning the property. I'm doing my my martial

854
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:58,400
arts movements, and I notice, you know, I had the

855
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,320
flashlight right near me, and I I'm looking and I thought,

856
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,760
in the in the middle of the corn stalks, there

857
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,639
seemed to be just a little bit of movement. So

858
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,639
I had my flashlight right next to me. So I

859
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:15,119
picked up the flashlight and I shined it slowly, and

860
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,800
I seen these different kind of eyes. They were they

861
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:26,239
were like a bluish, but they were much taller than me.

862
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,079
And like I said, I'm about six six 's one

863
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:34,320
and these eyes were probably about seven to seven and

864
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,440
a half feet up in there in the air, not

865
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,440
above the corn stalks, but pretty close to the top.

866
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:48,440
And then what happened next was it was nothing short

867
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,000
of a miracle. I had this happened to me one

868
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:56,920
other time in my life, where I see these eyes

869
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,880
staring at me, and like I said, they're about their

870
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:03,360
kind of bluish and immediately I'm thinking, like, uh oh,

871
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:04,760
So I.

872
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:05,239
Speaker 2: Stopped to do.

873
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,079
Speaker 3: I stopped doing my movements and I'm just slowly bringing

874
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:11,440
my hands down to my side. But then I get

875
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:20,719
this amazing I smell my grandmother has been passed away

876
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,320
since nineteen ninety four, but I will never forget the

877
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:32,079
smell of her perfume. And I immediately I smell her perfume,

878
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:43,440
and when I'm staring at these eyes, immediately I think like,

879
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:48,440
I'm okay, I'm calm, I'm good, Like, yeah, there's something

880
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:49,000
staring at me.

881
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: But like.

882
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,519
Speaker 3: It sounds maybe kind of silly.

883
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,119
Speaker 2: But I felt like I had my guardian angel there.

884
01:01:55,159 --> 01:02:00,559
Speaker 3: I felt like, you know, maybe my Grandma was, you know,

885
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:04,159
watching me and kind of had my back. I don't

886
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:08,840
know exactly what that means, but it was an incredible feeling,

887
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,960
and I just, I don't know, I just smiled to

888
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:19,880
myself and I looked at that dog man and I

889
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:27,519
did the traditional bow to show respect, saying okay, I'm

890
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:29,519
gonna go back. And I even said, I said, I'm

891
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:33,880
going going back inside now, and I walked backwards, and

892
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,440
then when I got onto my patio, you know, then

893
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:41,199
the scent. The scent lasted maybe and seconds, but it

894
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,920
was so strong. It was like somebody had just sprayed

895
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,280
her perfume. And like I said, she's been gone a

896
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:53,320
long time. And it was probably twenty twenty when I

897
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:59,320
smelled that. For the first time, and you know, I've

898
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,920
heard that. You know, I really fully believe in guardian angels.

899
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,559
Whether this dog man represents something of darkness, I don't know.

900
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,199
It's never harmed me at all, so parbe it's a

901
01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:16,719
past judgment. But at the same time, maybe this was

902
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,480
a counterbalance where if it was looking to do harm

903
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:24,280
to me, maybe I had a little bit of divine intervention.

904
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,679
So but it was it was just kind of a

905
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:32,480
wow moment on so many levels.

906
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:34,679
Speaker 2: It really really moved me.

907
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:41,119
Speaker 3: So I am a strong believer in that. You know,

908
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:44,519
we have guardians watching out for us.

909
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:47,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does sound like it must have been a

910
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:50,639
wild moment. When it comes to these guys, there are

911
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:53,440
a lot of qualities that point soundly towards them being

912
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:56,239
supernatural in origin. I mean, they do so many things

913
01:03:56,239 --> 01:04:01,239
that that's really the only explanation. So maybe they are

914
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:06,400
from Hell, maybe they are demonic in nature. It's really

915
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,760
hard to say. But you just can't explain the way

916
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,800
everything that they do by saying, okay, you have their

917
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,800
flesh and blood creatures, because there's so many things they

918
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,079
do that just can't be explained away that way. So

919
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,960
he might be onto something there what's about time for

920
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:24,559
us to wrap it up here, Jimmy, before we do,

921
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:29,559
do you have any clothes in comments you'd like to share? Yeah?

922
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:29,920
I do.

923
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,519
Speaker 3: And just for the listeners, first, I appreciate you listening

924
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:42,280
to my episodes. I just asked that everybody realized that

925
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,559
every single person that comes on here, they're sharing something

926
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:53,159
very fragile, you know, and I see I see a

927
01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:57,000
lot of people saying so oh, like, oh, it's another episode,

928
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,559
I can't wait to get my popcorn and this and that,

929
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:05,039
and just remember, like be sensitive and realize that, you know,

930
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,039
people are are sharing their.

931
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,159
Speaker 2: Car crash experiences with you. And while it.

932
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 3: May be quote unquote entertainment for a lot of you,

933
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,400
it takes I'm fairly comfortable with you know, speaking in public,

934
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:28,599
but it takes a lot of intestinal fortitude and it

935
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:32,719
takes a lot of courage to to do this and

936
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:37,960
to talk about things like these. So just remember that

937
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,480
what you know before you if you had type comments

938
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:44,440
like this is just pure entertainment.

939
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 2: This isn't.

940
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,119
Speaker 3: These aren't still quote unquote stories, These are actual encounters.

941
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:55,599
So but that and and you know, Vic, I really

942
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,920
appreciate you taking the time, not only with me, but

943
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:06,840
with all the other survivors and people that really trusting you,

944
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:13,079
and I think what you have going is phenomenal. Like

945
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I said, I've been following you for a very long time,

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so just you know, keep doing what you're doing. And

947
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you know, I think if people are more sensitive to

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the people that come forward, then I think we're heading

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in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely are if that's the case, And thank

951
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you so much for saying that. Yeah, it just is

952
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a shame when I see people talking about the episodes

953
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like I'm writing up stories and shame on you, Vick

954
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for not coming up with a more interesting story. I mean,

955
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there is no such thing as a dog mean encounter

956
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that's not exciting enough to come on the show. And

957
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it kind of hurts when I see an eyewitness tell

958
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,920
me that, or I hear an eyewitness tell me that, well,

959
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,840
my encounter is not exciting enough to make it on

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the show. Excitement has nothing to do with it. The

961
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only thing I care about is are you telling me

962
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the truth about your encounter or not. If it's true

963
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that you had an encounter or encounters, and if you

964
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want to be a guest on the show, then by

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all means let's do a show. If it's not true,

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then of course I don't want you on. But yeah,

967
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I'm so glad you said that, because, yeah, it's not entertainment.

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This this what we're doing here. We're talking about people's

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car crashes. Like you said, that's a great way to

970
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put it. It really is. And again I'm so glad

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you said that.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm just call it like I see it. And

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you know, I know I've been I've been one of

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those people, you know, looking at that keyboard and saying, no,

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it's really easy for me to write something you know

976
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that a wise guy would write or something. But you

977
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know what, you know, try to put yourself in other

978
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people's shoes, and I think we do that overall, we'd

979
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be a lot better off. So, you know, just my

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dad me, my parents told me, think before you speak,

981
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and I think you know you being a father now

982
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and just trying to push that message along, just think

983
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before you speak, and be sympathetic, you know, to other people,

984
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because you never you never know what other people are

985
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going through.

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Speaker 2: You're right, you definitely don't. Those are good words. Well, Jimmy,

987
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I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing

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the details of all these experiences with us. I really

989
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appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Vick. I appreciate your time and

991
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it was my pleasure. And don't take this the wrong way,

992
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but I hope that we never have to talk again.

993
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Speaker 2: Well that makes two of us. You've had way too

994
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many encounters and hope you never have another one. So

995
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I've got my fingers crossed for you. But having said that, yeah,

996
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thanks again so much for your time, Jimmy, and have

997
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a great night you too. Thanks, we'll see you. Well.

998
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That's a wrap for another one, another one in the book. Thanks,

999
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as always so much everyone for listening. I really do

1000
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appreciate it. And as you already know, if you've had

1001
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a dog mean encounter that you'd like to speak with

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01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,479
me about in private or on the show, all I

1003
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have to do is just go to dogmandancounters dot com

1004
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submit a report, and if you do that, then I'll

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just contact you and schedule a phone conversation and we'll

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take it from there. But having said that, thanks against

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so much for listening everyone, and have a great night.