Speaker 1: At at.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us for tonight's special livestream episode of
the show. Everyone, I really appreciate it. Tonight's guest which
is tru a mean anonymous. With that in mind, we're
just gonna call him Jimmy. Jimmy, thanks so much for
joining us. Thank you much for having me. Oh no,
you're welcome. We appreciate your time. Jimmy, you're featured on
episode four oh one, and on that show you told
us about the first dog man encounter you've had. For
anyone who's missed that encounter that show, please tell us
about yourself.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I'm forty four other than Somerset, New Jersey,
and I've been following your show for probably the closet
to eight years now. And yeah, I had a dog
man encounter. My first dog man encounter was back in
twenty seventeen at my i now in law's house.
Speaker 2: It's funny how when you talk with eyewitnesses, so many
eyewitnesses what I have over the years. In a lot
of ways, the encounters tend to run together. But there
are certain encounters where you remember bits and pieces about
them because this stood out or that did with you
when you had that first encounter. You told us on
the show about your friend who you said he was
a little on the heavy side, but when you two
saw the dog man, you took off and left him
and apologized to him. But you're getting out of dodge. Well,
next thing you know, you said that you saw your
buddy come blowing right past you, and I thought that
was so funny. Yeah, I'll never forget that encounter. And
speaking of that, for anyone who missed that episode, please
talk us through what happened when you had that first experience.
Speaker 3: Yeh, okay, that's funny. That put a smile on my face. Okay,
so that took that That took place back in nineteen
ninety nine and I was with a friend of mine
and we were walking down.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 3: I had to be around midnight, and we were walking
near this house that had a I don't remember if
it was a German shepherd, if it was a Doberman,
and his dog was barking at us, and we were
probably over one hundred yards away, but it just kept barking,
and then out of nowhere, it's like, you know, just
stopped barking. Everything was quiet, and then we heard this
very loud growl. I'm standing on the left side of
the road and my friend is standing on the right
side of the road, and the growl was more closer
to me. So as soon as we heard the growl,
it was just a knee jerk reaction.
Speaker 2: I just I didn't even think about him was.
Speaker 3: A terrible friend, but I just left as quick as possible,
and I thought I left him in the dust. And
it was just like you know you see on the
Bugs Bunny cartoon where the one guy thinks he's running
fast and all of a sudden, my friend he blows
right by me, and I'm like, oh, man, Like I
didn't think he had afterburners like that. So he left
me in the dust, and I was the one that
was going to be the slow poke.
Speaker 2: But it's funny.
Speaker 3: I actually saw the guy not too long ago, and
we've chatted about that. It was we had a good
chuckle about it. And then he punched me in the arm.
I was like, all right, well, I deserved that.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you took it well, but as
you know, a lot of people wouldn't because you're basically
hanging them out to dry. I don't blame you when
things go sideways like that. You never know you're gonna respond,
and you can't be faulted for doing that. But did
you ever act like you might have held a grudge
against you for doing that?
Speaker 3: I think if it had actually turned out to be something,
because it was just it was just the noise.
Speaker 2: That we heard.
Speaker 3: We didn't see anything. We didn't hear anything following us.
Speaker 2: Actually, it's funny because.
Speaker 3: If legend has it in that area, there was rumors
that there was like a mountain lion wandering around there.
Speaker 2: I don't know how far back, Like I said, this
is nineteen.
Speaker 3: Ninety nine, but you know there's all these legends and
oak Pales. So I think the fact that it was
just okay, we heard something, we ran, and then that
was like the end of it. And by the time
we stopped running, you know, there was nothing behind us.
So no, we I mean, we're just doing the close
friends and we we didn't He didn't ever seem to
hold a grudge against me or anything like that. I
just remember saying like, I just can't believe how fast
you were. He's like, yeah, I always have to make
sure because he has a brother, he said, I always
have to make sure I was faster than my brother.
It's not the first time I've had to run away
from something.
Speaker 2: Well, fear is quite the motivator, so things like that
do happen. And I'm so glad it didn't damage your
friendship or anything like that. Thank goodness. Yeah yeah, nah, yeah,
I wouldn't have been a good thing. It's been a
long time since we spoke. Since that last conversation we've had.
What's your mindset been like regarding dog men?
Speaker 3: It's still on my mind on a daily basis. I'm
still very wary. But at the same time, I have
a life to live and you know, I'm a father,
I'm a husband, you know, I have responsibilities. I have
things that I need to get done in this life.
And you know, I'm not going to say that I'm
going to go flop myself in the middle of the
woods by myself, and you know, pretend that I have
no fear. But at the same time, I'm not going
to let that fear dictate how I go about my
daily life.
Speaker 2: Well that's good. I'm glad you can still function then
do everything that you need to do to live your
life the right way. So as long as you can
say that that's great news. In twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen,
you had an experience with your wife that just might
have been dogged me and related without giving away any
details about the encounter, did your wife see a dog
man when the two of you had that experience, No,
she did not. She didn't. If she didn't see one,
then what's her whole mindset when it comes to these guys.
Speaker 3: I would say she's not a believer, but she's a sympathizer.
I think she. I mean, she knew me. She's known
me since twenty ten, so you know, she's seen how I,
how I was beforehand, and then how I was after
the encounters. And I think once she saw that I
wasn't doing this like embellishing that it really seemed to
kind of put me on my heels for quite a while.
I think she eventually came around to being very supportive. Actually,
you know, she's my number one supporter, so you know,
I think it took a little bit for her to
wrap her wrap her mind around the idea. I can't
say for certain exactly what her mindset is, but through
conversations that we've had, she's never like poked fun at
me for it or you know, she knows it's a
sore spot for me, and it'd be very easy for
somebody to you know, expose that and you know, take
cheap shots. But she she doesn't do that. She's she's
been extremely supportive.
Speaker 2: She sounds like a keeper to me. Sounds like you
have a really good wife. That's great, Yeah, I definitely do.
Of course, that makes all the difference when you have
an encounter with one of these things. Your second encounter, Jimmy,
happened at a different property than the one you lived
at when you had that first one. What can you
tell us about this new place?
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're talking about the one that has to
do with the main name title. So I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Can you just repeat the question real quick? Sure, no problem.
I'm just wondering what you can tell us about this
new property since it's a different property. When you had
that first encounter, it was a totally different place. Okay.
Speaker 3: About the property, Okay, so it's in my wife's family
and we have two and a half acres and where
not very excuse me, we're not very far off from civilization. Really,
I'm we're kind of like in a perfect island surrounded
by woods. We're not too far from the canal. The
back of our property butts up to the d n R,
so it's all preserved.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: There there's a cornfield that is in the back of
our property. We technically own part of that cornfield, but
the local farmer he he tends to it.
Speaker 2: She takes care of the for the porn and all that.
Speaker 3: But you know, we we have our own privacy back here,
and you know, we have quite a bit of wildlife,
ranging from you know, raccoons, deer, groundhogs, ioty. Apparently the
occasional dog man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say more than apparently. That's a definitive thing. Unfortunately.
All right, Jimmy, please tell us about this most recent encounter.
Now give us ever last detail that comes to mind. Okay, So.
Speaker 3: The most recent encounter.
Speaker 2: I had to do with.
Speaker 3: I was coming home from from dropping off my son.
Was on a Wednesday, and I believe it was around
this time of year, and I was driving down a
nearby road and I had seen a fox on in
the middle of the road, and you know, that's that's
very normal. So but I just decided to just kind
of you know, beat my horn and rep my engine
and just okay, come.
Speaker 2: On, get out of the way.
Speaker 3: I don't want to ring you over, just move it along.
So the fox started to, you know, scamper to the
side of the road and actually took off in the
direction towards my house. So I actually said to myself
out loud, and I was like, all right, I guess
I'll see you later. So I get to the end
of the road, make the left, pull down onto my road,
and full into my driveway, walk into the house, say
hello to my wife. And a little while later, I'm
just sitting in the rec room playing with our two cats.
And in our backyard we have, like I said, we
have a paramount of trees, and we have motion lights
on some of those trees. And one of those lights
kept going off. So I I made a mental note
and excuse me, sorry, I guess just strive there for
a second.
Speaker 2: So my wife had.
Speaker 3: Noticed that one of the the motion lights was going
off kind of like right in the middle of the property.
So she brought it to my attention and she said, hey,
that that light keeps going off. You I want to
go see what that's all about. So, being the good husband,
I said, all right, sure, So I go out there. Now,
I don't own any firearms. The most the deadliest thing
I own is a sword and a crossbow, so that
would meant to play later. Uh. So I head out
there with a flashlight and a little uh.
Speaker 2: A BB gun just in case.
Speaker 3: So you know, coyotes are a fairly normal thing for
us to come across. So I uh, I go into
the backyard sign the flashlight and I'm looking at the
light where the where the motion light had gone off,
and sure enough, I see the fox out there and
he's running away, but he's being chased by something, you know,
appears to be a little larger than him. So I
follow with my flashlight. I thought I signed the light
on the two animals, and I see that it's a coyote.
So the coyotes chasing off the box and I'm like, oh, okay,
like it's it's it's not all that common. I would
say it's on average, we've been here four and a
half years. I would say on average we see maybe
we have about a dozen cootes sightings per year, so common,
but not that common. We so let's see the coyote
and I'm I'm just like, okay, that's that's odd. But
then the coyote just kind of seems to give up
on the chase, and.
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 3: Take my flashlight and now I'm scanning my backyard. So
just to give you a quick pick, sure, if you
go into my backyard from patio, to the left is
the corner field, and then you get to a little
white shed, and then to the right there is a
big red barn which has a bunch of spotlights and
motion lights on it, just because when we moved out
to the property, it just gets it gets really dark
out there, and having had my first encounter, I said
to my wife, we really need to light this place up.
So we've added quite a few lights. So sorry, I digress.
So I'm noticing that in the cornfield now, all the
corn had been chopped down already, so it's just open
field now. But you know it's you can hear the leeves,
you know, crunching, and the dry corn, the bits of
corn that are still there, they crunch wing to walk
on them, and I can hear all that. And I
take my leg and I'm just scanning from left the right,
and all of a sudden, I see these pairs of
eyes and I start to count because I'm like, it's
not It's very common to have a herd of deer
anywhere between like two to ten deer on any given
morning or night. So I'm thinking, okay, it's just a
heard of deer. And I'm looking and I count one, two,
three pairs of eyes, and I go all the way
up to about a dozen, and I would say total,
there was about fourteen or fifteen.
Speaker 2: What would be.
Speaker 3: Coyotes that were just hanging out in that thornfield, which
for me to them was probably about seventy five yards away,
so far enough for you know, there to be a
good amount of distance where I could scoop back in
the house if I needed to. So they all pay
attention to me, and I actually looked at the BB
gun in my hand, and I actually laughed, and I said,
what is this going to do? This is just going
to tickle them. I'm better off just you know, throwing
it at them and just kind of get away. But
I decided not to do that, realizing that these are
predators and the odds are not in my favor. So
I was like, all right, well, this is still my
property and I'm going to defend my turf. So I
back into my house. So I'm in the middle of
the middle of the back yard and I'm walking backwards
towards my patio, which leads to my back door. And
at this time I get inside and my wife's on
the phone with somebody, and she says.
Speaker 2: What was it? And I said it was a coyote.
Speaker 3: So I go how many? I said, all of them?
And she just says, be careful. So I head back
outside and my crossbows in the garage, which you can
get too, right from my patio. So I'm like, all right,
if I need to take one of these things down
just to send a message, I'll do that. Hopefully it
doesn't come to that. So I go into the garage,
grab the crossbow, still have the light, the flashlight. I
actually just remember I do have a flashlight on the crossbow.
It's just something I rigged up. Nothing you know, efficient
or anything like that. I've never actually had to actively
use this crossbow other than target practice. So I take
my previous position out in the backyard and I noticed
that these pack of coyotes have started to move in
a little bit, and there's four that seemed to be
the leaders because they're pretty much like the offensive line,
and they're all standing, you know, shoulder to shoulder, and
they're not coming into the light. I would if I
remember correctly, it was probably close to, if not a foam,
because there was a decent amount of light coming from
the sky, not just the motion lights, so I could
see silhouettes but no details. So they're doing a good
job of staying out of you know, the lights, which
makes sense. You know, they're stealthy predators, so I'm not
hearing any growling or anything like that. But then I
go to take aim because I'm I'm looking to stand
my ground here and you're not just gonna come around
and run me off.
Speaker 2: So then.
Speaker 3: It was it literally seemed out of nowhere. So, like
I said, if you're looking at my backyard from from
left to right, Cornfield, white shed and then the big
red barn, well coming from behind the barn, the first
thing I see are these pair of eyes. And these
eyes are about the size of clementines, a little smaller
than an orange. But they are first and clear.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: They look they look. I mean they're like piercing through
the night. And it came from behind the barn and
catched to them. I could see just like the couties.
I could see a silhouette. I can't see very many features,
but I could see the outline of a dogments really
no other phrase to use their words to put to it.
Speaker 2: It was a dogmit.
Speaker 3: I could see the outline of the ears sticking up.
I could see the little cups of hair in the
middle of the ears. I could see the head I
can't see. I could see the snout like a little bit,
but it's pretty much looking dead at me. And you know,
I didn't see any teeth because I saw him assuming
the mouth was closed. But these eyes are locked dead
on me. So it's coming from the right to the left.
And it took maybe three seconds from it to get
from behind the barn to walk behind the white shed.
And at first my mind is thinking, are those orbs
and they were not, because then those eyes and that
silhouette here on the other side of the shed, and
that's when and then it stopped. It just stopped and
really just stood there. And it was kind of like
surveying the situation. And I had noticed that the coyotes
didn't seem to react too much to the dog man,
but the dog man is just standing there on the
edge of the grass, right at the edge of the cornfield,
just seeing what's going on. I'm thinking to myself, this
just went from bad to worse. So I lowered the
crossbow and I'm like, well, clearly I'm not going to
be using this. And my heart's beating like rapidly.
Speaker 2: I could, I could feel it in my chest.
Speaker 3: And one thing I forgot to mention was this dogan.
It announced it's present at first because of crowd, that
deep resonating grow and it really just it felt like
a mini earthquake. You know, my closest neighbor isn't all
that far from me, and I mean she's elderly, but
I'm not surprised she didn't hear it. But because I
don't know if it was, I forget what people say
that it could be in a sound.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But that grow is what got everybody's attention, my attention,
to coyote's attention. Now they were still all staring at me,
and that's now have the coyotes and the dog men
all eyes are on me, and that's way more attention
than I want. I'm out here just to kind of
see if there's a fox running around, and all of
a sudden, I run into so many of these coyotes,
I mean, fifteen on one, and then you add the
big one on top of it. And that's when I
just decide, you.
Speaker 2: Know what.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just I'm packing it in, you know, like
you guys, this is not a fight that I'm looking
to I'm not looking to enter this fight because clearly
the odds are not in my favor. So the dog
Man's staring at me, and you know, I'm noticing that
some of the coyotes are starting to back off, just
kind of go away. But those four that that front line,
they are so close, like they're probably dare I say,
fifty sixty feet from me. Still stay and everybody's doing
a really good job staying out of these spotlights that
I have doesn't light up the whole backyard, but it's
up quite a bit. So I'm looking behind me, and
my back door for me is probably about thirty thirty
five feet, and the coyotes are about fifty or sixty
feet from me, and the dog man is probably about
i'd say, like seventy five feet.
Speaker 2: I know I said originally that the.
Speaker 3: That the cornfield was seventy five yards, and I apologize,
I'm not the best with distances, but.
Speaker 2: It's it's just not looking good for me.
Speaker 3: So I decided, Okay, I'm going to lower the crossbow
to show them not a threat. And I'm also not
trying to make direct eye contact with anybody. So I'm
just slowly starting to walk backwards, and I'm thinking myself, run, run,
just run, saying no, don't run. That's just going to
make things a hell of a lot worse. And you
won't even make it to the door, you know, then
you're just going to cause your ticket to get punched.
So I'm slowly backing away, and I turned my head
a little bit just to see how far, so I
don't want to trip over like a rock or anything
like that. And then when I turned back, the dog
Man's gone, but those coyotes are still there. There's at
least ten coyotes still staring at me. So I slowly
just start backing in and I make it inside. My
wife is nowhere, so I make it in the house
and I put the crossbow away, and I I go
to the wreck room, which has a window that overlooks
the whole backyard, and I look, and I see like
there's still a handful of coyotes, and now they're just
kinda you know, they know they've won. You know, it's
like now they're just gonna hang out in the backyard.
And I actually got very angry because I'm like, you
know what, like I wanted to defend my territory. But
at the same time, I knew that I made the
right decision because I didn't want that night to be
my last night. So that's that's pretty much that encounter
with everything that had to do with the coyotes and
the dog.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's a lot. That's the last thing you're
expecting when you're sitting there in the house. End I
trying then whine, how far were you from home when
you saw that fox for the first time? While you're
driving home?
Speaker 3: It was only a minute, it was it was to
get to my house. It's like, you go down this
one street, which is where I saw. The street that
I saw the fox was parallel to my house, so
as crow flies, it was maybe a quarter of a mile.
Speaker 2: I see a quarter of a mile. Yeah, that's really close.
Then when you first saw it being chased by the coyotes,
were they on your property or behind it When you
went out the back door, they were on they were
on my property. They were in the backyard. I see.
He said to live on about two acres. And then
there's that cut down the harvested cornfield behind you. So
I wasn't sure if when you saw them they were
in that cornfield or if they're actually on your property.
So thanks for clearing it up for me. Coyotes don't
normally abandon chase as very easily. Do you think they
stopped chasing the fox because you were there or some
other reason?
Speaker 3: I mean, it was it appeared to be just myself
and the coyotes. Maybe they were aware.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you hear you hear these stories where
coyotes and dog Man kind of hang out together, and
maybe they knew that their boss was nearby. So I
don't know, maybe they were kind of in kohoos. Who knows.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they were in
cahoots at all. A lot of credible eyewitnesses reported seeing
coyotes running with dog Man. It wouldn't be first or
unprecedented in any way. Did the coyotes seem to be
under the dog man's control.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I would say, yes, he seemed to have you know,
I say he it seemed to have, you know, like
invisible leashes on these things, like you know, if it
gave whatever command to you know, attack or you know,
to advance on me, I think it would they would
have listened. But yeah, I mean nobody. It almost was
a stalemate until I started backing away. But oh well,
something I forgot was that I had an air horn
with me before I went and got my crossbow. And
the only time that the Cootes really seemed to, you know,
approach in a somewhat aggressive way was.
Speaker 2: I want to go, what to go?
Speaker 3: Squeeze this air horn, which I hadn't used in a while,
and instead of it blaring a loud noise, it just
sent out almost like a whistle noise, which was basically
like ringing the dinner bell. And they heard it, and
they actually started to come closer, and I said, all right,
I am not using this thing anymore, and I actually
threw it down to the ground. I went out the
next morning and I got it. But yeah, that was
not a good call.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it. How to be awfully disheartening to
hear that pitiful whistle come out instead of a blast. Yeah,
that was.
Speaker 3: I have not bought another air horn from that store.
Speaker 2: Can I see, I'll blame you. How close were the
coyotes getting to the dog man?
Speaker 3: I would say, so the coyotes were in front of
the white barn, I'm sorry, the white shed, and the
dog man was walking behind the white shed. It came
from behind the red barn, made itself known, and then
walked on the other side of the white shed. So
I would say no more than like twenty twenty five feet.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's pretty close. When the dog would walk
to the other side of that white shid. Was it
in a hurry or was it pretty deliberate with its movements?
Speaker 3: I felt it was very deliberate, like it was. I mean,
it was a very steady movement, and I felt like,
how can I put it? From when I first saw
its eyes until when it stopped moving, it was probably
about like around fifteen seconds, and it was just creeping
along at a very steady pace, in no rush, and
it was like it was almost like its head was
looking directly at me, but its body was moving, you know, sideways,
kind of like you see, like you know, back in
the in the forties, when you see these guys are
like snapping everything like they're getting ready for a rumble,
and it's like they're they're looking dead at you, but
their bodies not.
Speaker 2: Facing the same way as their head.
Speaker 3: Like he was definitely checking out what was going on,
And you know, clearly I don't I don't think he uh,
I don't think he approved, but not to the point
where action needed to be taken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness for that. While all this was going on,
did you ever notice any foul smells out there?
Speaker 3: No, not really, not to my uh not not to
my recollection. I don't. I don't remember there being any smells.
Speaker 2: Well, if there were, I'm pretty sure you would have
noticed it, So there must not have been. How out
ambient noise? Was there a lack of ambient noise? Or
were the noises normal?
Speaker 3: That's one thing I will say is that as soon
as I stepped outside to investigate what the what the
what the fox was doing? As soon as I stepped outside,
it was, I mean definitely quiet, which was the first
tip off, you know, And I may I realized that
as I'm out there in this situation just like, Wow,
there's there's no you know, insects making noise, there's no nothing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was very apparent right away. Well, I
don't need to tell you that's a normal feature of
a dog man encounter. It's hard to explain, but it's
pretty normal. If all you could see of the dog
man was its outline that night, did it seem like
it's for was absorbing the light from your flashlight?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's something that I don't know why, and
you even think it would make all the sense in
the world. But I never shine the flashlight towards the
dog man. I think when I had the crossbow in
my hand, the flashlight became secondary, and I never shine
the flashlight at the dog man.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was like a subconscious thing, like don't do it.
Don't do it, because then it's going to be like
I mean, it's already one hundred percent real, but then
it's just going to I don't know. Maybe that, I mean,
I don't like when people shine lights in my face,
so I'm sure that would not have the only could
have made the situation worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes they seem miffed by having a flashlight shined
shined in their faces. Other times it don't seem to care.
So it really doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor
reason to it. It's hard to figure. Did its demeanors
seem to change though, when it could tell that you
knew it was there.
Speaker 3: I really don't think so, because it just kind of
had this this presence where it's almost like, you know,
when the kids are fooling around in the playroom and
then the adult comes in and just stands in the
corner and folds his arms and says, all right, what's
going on here? That's kind of how I felt. I
felt like, you know, this this creature came and was
just kind of seeing what was going on between the
coyotes and myself and kind of put everybody in their place,
Like it got me to retreat back into the house,
and they've got the coyotes to kind of move along
with their business. So you know, that's kind of a
stance that I feel like it took. Was a very authoritative,
non aggressive.
Speaker 2: Way to be well, it's definitely in charge out there,
and it obviously knew it. If the dog man was
about seventy five feet from you when you saw it
at first, it could have grabbed you before you've made
it to your back door. Did that aspect of the
encounter cause you to have any nightmares? Nightmares?
Speaker 3: No, but that is not lost on me because I
constantly I'm going in my backyard at night. And yeah,
I hate to say it, at forty four years old,
I'm still checking around corners to you know, to see
if the boogeyman is there, you know, So it's it's
right in the front of my mind. But like I said,
you know, it's like I have a life to live,
so you know, the fairs there, and it's it's always
going to be there. But I don't want it to
have idea of debilitating hold on me.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, it doesn't. And that's more than a
lot of eyewitnesses can say, unfortunately, And I'm just so
glad that you don't have that problem. When you turn
your back to look for the dog man after looking
towards your house, you said it was gone. Was the
SHD the only place that could have hidden from you
in such a short period of time. No, there's the
back of our property.
Speaker 3: We call it the mini woods because there's a there's
a lot more smaller or excuse me, skinnier trees in
the back of our property. And there's a lot of
brush back there. That's where we like dump our leaves
or grass. It easily could have skirted around the corner
back there.
Speaker 2: It's like the.
Speaker 3: Election of trees back there, Like gues said, we call
it the maining woods, and they're all bunched together with
a lot of brush and thorns, and you know, it
actually forms an island. So anything, whether it be just
something the size of a dog man or you know,
we've we've found you know, raccoons hiding back there. So
now that easily could have been another spot where it's
it could have hit and actually, yeah, that just gave
me a little shiver.
Speaker 2: Well, understand that really foreigny, nasty places like that where
people don't want to go. That's like a holiday in
for dog man. For some reason, they tend to just
love that. So yeah, it might have spent a lot
of time back there. It wouldn't be surprising to me
at least if it did. How far is this new
property from where you used to live. I'd say it's
only it's.
Speaker 3: Maybe five seven miles. It's almost a straight shot to
be honest with you. You know, actually earlier this evening
we were at my inma's house and ironically enough, my
nephews were playing in the same spot where I saw
my first dog man, and yeah, driving home, it only
took ten twelve minutes and that's you know, figure forty
forty five miles an hour. Forty miles an hour then, yeah,
I would say about five seven miles.
Speaker 2: So they are close together. Then you know, it's just
a hop skipping to jump for a dog man. Unfortuately,
do you think this dog man just might be the
same one you encountered the first time around?
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because that first dog man was enormous.
Like I said, with that first encounter, I was staring
at at the basketball hoop in the back of my
in law's property, and that dog man's head, although it
was standing probably about ten feet away from the basketball hoop,
its neck was even with basketball hoop and a figure
that's a ten foot hoop. This dog man, the more
recent one, didn't look quite as big. I mean, trust me,
it was still huge, but I would I would guesstimate
it to be around eight feet tall. It didn't look
like it was just standing up, like puffing at his
chest or anything like that. It definitely looked like it
was kind of like, you know, creeping along punched over,
because when I saw it, you know, like I said,
I could see the outline of the head, and I
could see a little bit of the shoulders. This thing
was broad, and but it didn't look like it would
be like a ten foot or anything over that.
Speaker 2: It looked a rough guess would be you know, seven
eight feet. Well that's still pretty darn big, big enough
to give you the willies, that's for sure. Did you
ever ask any neighbors if they might have seen anything?
I guess you could say unusual. Of course, you're not
going to come out and ask them if they've ever
seen any were wolves or quote unquote dogmen. But did
you ever ask around about that?
Speaker 3: The only person that I asked was my grandmother in law,
was the owner of the product, and I asked her
before we moved in there, because we moved to this
property in twenty twenty, right in the middle of the pandemic,
and I was not thrilled about moving into the woods,
but it was everything that we needed for the given time,
and I asked her about wildlife, and I mean she's
ninety two, and so she's been there, done that. And
she told me she's like, oh, yeah, there's coyotes out here,
and you know, there was a bear sighting, and so
my ears perked up about the bear sighting because it's
not like I want to run into.
Speaker 2: A bear either.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, how recently, she's about about
twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So but as far as my neighbors, I mean, my
wife and I we're in our forties. Our neighbors to
the right, they're a little bit younger than us, and
they have kids. Everybody else on the property, everybody, excuse me,
everybody else on.
Speaker 2: The road is seventy years old or up. You know.
Speaker 3: We wave and say hello to each other, but I
don't really engage in too much conversation. I have talked
to my neighbor to the right. I'll call him Elliott,
and anytime that I do see a coyote, I did
text him anytime that I do see a coyote, you know,
because his kids are a little bit younger than mine.
And I said, dude, just you know, watch yourself because
his property is a little bit more would ze than mine.
Mine's a little bit more like open space. So I
give him the heads up, him or his wife, and
so we've never we've never talked about anything quote unquote unusual.
I don't want to scare him, but at the same time,
like I don't want him to to, you know, think
I'm crazy. We're we're friendly, We're not. I wouldn't say
we're friends, we're acquaintances. But it's not something that I
would be opposed to.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess being in his company, it hasn't crossed my mind.
I mean, it's not like I enjoyed thinking about the
dog man all the time, but you know, I could
see us having that conversation in the future.
Speaker 2: It really does make you wonder if the prior owner
had any experiences with that guy. I wouldn't be surprised
if they did. Yeah, I've I mean i've had.
Speaker 3: I have had an account actually two weeks ago with
a I believe it was another dog Man, But I've
I've never uh, he's never said anything to me about anything.
Really as far as like dangers go, he's got it.
He's got a fair amount of people living with him.
I think he's got his brother and they have a
lot of heavy equipment, a heavy machinery.
Speaker 2: He owns his own so truck company.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's constantly making a lot more noise than
I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you must be. If he has
machinery like that sitting around, then that dog me might
spend time over there just looking around the equipment for
critters to eat and other things to get into. They're
very intelligent, and the more intelligent you are, the easier
it is for you to become bored. So I wouldn't
be surprised if it did that. So you never know.
From what I understand, your property is a kind of
duality to it when it comes to the vibe it
puts off during the day versus at night. Please expand
on that for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my property is quite a wonderful place when when
you come to my property during the day, it's a
place where.
Speaker 2: I like to let my kids.
Speaker 3: You know, every ring. You know, our front yard is
a decent size. The backyard is the meat detat is
of the proper pretty like I said, the back bump
bumps up to the dn R and so I mean
it's it's beautiful, it's relaxing. We actually get a lot
of compliments about how how spacious it is, and you know,
especially moving in the middle of a pandemic, a lot
of people enjoyed coming over here, so you can kind
of space out. You know, we have a fire pit
in the middle, and you know, but once nightfall comes,
there's a lot of shadows. There's a lot of darkness.
Speaker 2: And I've always.
Speaker 3: Said, and I've heard other people say this, I'm not
afraid of the dark.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid of what's in the dark.
Speaker 3: And so hence my desire to put as many lights
up on trees or uh spotlights on on the barns
it's possible, just because it's unsettling. But at the same time,
you know, I try to look at things through a
positive light and.
Speaker 2: You know, realize that.
Speaker 3: It's it's a gift and we're lucky to be here,
and we.
Speaker 2: You know, we want to enjoy as much as possible.
So sorry, I didn't think you're done there. It really
is a shame that has got that creep factor to
it at night. That sounds like from listening to you
describe how it feels, I kind of get the feeling
like you just can't enjoy the property after dark the
way you want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. It does cause some angst. I'll many
times I'll sit out at the bonfire by myself, you know,
and I like getting a rip worn fire going.
Speaker 2: I do take refuge in the fact.
Speaker 3: That you know, a big fire is around me, and
you know, a certain amount of protection. I mean, I'm
not naive to the fact that I don't have anything
in my possession that would stop a large predator, let
alone a dog man. But you know, I do try
to force myself to sit out there, you know, enjoy
the night. But it always takes, uh always takes a
lot of a lot of courage to do. So there's
times where I'll have a friend or two over and
if I have to, you know, excuse myself go inside
to you know, use the bathroom, grab a coffee or whatever.
I'll come back out and they're like, man, this place really,
you know it could you know, it's great, but it
it can give you the creeps.
Speaker 2: I can understand why you are compromised at your property,
but it really is a shame that you are. I mean,
that should be your castle. You should be able to
walk around the whole property and not feel angst like that.
But like I said, I totally get it. I understand.
Does this mean listening to you talk about how you
feel about the place after dark? Does this mean that
if you have one more dog mean encounter there, that
you're going to be looking to move. No, I don't
think so.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't we have an arrangement with how
long we are allowed to live here. I don't think
we're going to be If I talk to you in
ten years, I'd be surprised if we're still living here.
Speaker 2: But I mean, so far, so good.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I've had I had an encounter, you know,
two years ago, and and like I said, I had
another encounter two weeks ago. And you know, there's there's
been there's there's been you know, no altercation where there's
been any you know, destruction or damage of any kind.
It's just kind of been. You know, I'm looking at you,
you're looking at me. Not to say that, you know,
there aren't times where you know, I don't know if
there's ever been happing on windows or sometimes you get
the feeling of being watched, But I don't always see
eyes peaking out looking at me. But sometimes you just
kind of have the intuition that you know you're being watched.
But you know, I told you in the first time
we talked recently that I am a big advocate of
self care and doing early early morning cold plunges, and
I I'm out in four three in the morning every morning,
jumping in the cold water, do the cold plunge, and
it's while the benefits are fantastic. Like I said, I
bring that spotlight out with me, that flashlight every time,
and I do a scam just to see what's out there.
And my wife even asked me, she said, why are
you doing that. I was like, why do you think
I'm doing? Like, come on, you know the answer to that.
And she's like, oh, okay, I didn't know. That's still
the thing. I'm like, this is going to be a
thing for the rest of my life. So it's just
it is what it is. But you know, I enjoyed
doing that, you know, the self care, the cold plunges,
and you know, I mean, if I think if I
actually saw a dog man that was encroaching on me,
then you know, I can tuck micro a real tale
between my legs and get inside and you know, I mean,
if the dogman wants to come inside, then I'm helpless,
you know. But I think what I really have tried
to do since the last encounter, I've really tried to
show a lot of respect, respect for the property, respect
for nature, you know, to give respect to get respect.
So that's how I'm choosing to look at it. That's
how I'm choosing to treat it. You know, I'll stand
my ground as much as I can. I'm not a
little guy. I'm not a huge guy, but I you know,
I definitely will dig my heels in when I need to.
But I also know when I'm not gonna, you know,
try to finish a fight. But I'm not going to
try to start a fight I can't finish.
Speaker 2: I never understand how you can do those cold plunges
first thing in the morning like that, But it just
proves you're a tough cookie. I'll tell you what. Yeah, yeah,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I know it's not for everybody, but I mean, I
so there was a little bit of extra that I
wanted to mention. I had written down here about that
latest I call it the cold plunge encounter. I don't
know if you want me to dive into that or
please do okay, sure, So it was about two weeks ago.
Like I said, between four thirty and five o'clock. I'm
usually out there, and I think this time was around five,
so you know, we haven't gone through daylight savings yet,
so it's still very dark out there. And after I
do my cold plunches, I go into the grass where
I do this thing called grounding, where you just put
your bare feet on the ground and I do this
little it's like this little movement if anybody's ever seen,
you know, Karate Kid Part two or mister Bougi's teaching
Danielle how to do the drum technique. I'm a martial artist,
so I'm very familiar with this, so I'm doing this
drum technique movement. It's to help warm your body up
after being in cold water. And I'm always scanning. That's
just something I've always done, even before a dog man
ever entered my life. And I'm scanning the property, and
you know, at this time of year, the corn is
grown again. Worn I stood next to the corn. I'm
about six to one on a good day, and the corn,
I would say is seven and a half.
Speaker 2: Eight feet tall.
Speaker 3: So I'm scanning the property. I'm doing my my martial
arts movements, and I notice, you know, I had the
flashlight right near me, and I I'm looking and I thought,
in the in the middle of the corn stalks, there
seemed to be just a little bit of movement. So
I had my flashlight right next to me. So I
picked up the flashlight and I shined it slowly, and
I seen these different kind of eyes. They were they
were like a bluish, but they were much taller than me.
And like I said, I'm about six six 's one
and these eyes were probably about seven to seven and
a half feet up in there in the air, not
above the corn stalks, but pretty close to the top.
And then what happened next was it was nothing short
of a miracle. I had this happened to me one
other time in my life, where I see these eyes
staring at me, and like I said, they're about their
kind of bluish and immediately I'm thinking, like, uh oh,
So I.
Speaker 2: Stopped to do.
Speaker 3: I stopped doing my movements and I'm just slowly bringing
my hands down to my side. But then I get
this amazing I smell my grandmother has been passed away
since nineteen ninety four, but I will never forget the
smell of her perfume. And I immediately I smell her perfume,
and when I'm staring at these eyes, immediately I think like,
I'm okay, I'm calm, I'm good, Like, yeah, there's something
staring at me.
Speaker 2: But like.
Speaker 3: It sounds maybe kind of silly.
Speaker 2: But I felt like I had my guardian angel there.
Speaker 3: I felt like, you know, maybe my Grandma was, you know,
watching me and kind of had my back. I don't
know exactly what that means, but it was an incredible feeling,
and I just, I don't know, I just smiled to
myself and I looked at that dog man and I
did the traditional bow to show respect, saying okay, I'm
gonna go back. And I even said, I said, I'm
going going back inside now, and I walked backwards, and
then when I got onto my patio, you know, then
the scent. The scent lasted maybe and seconds, but it
was so strong. It was like somebody had just sprayed
her perfume. And like I said, she's been gone a
long time. And it was probably twenty twenty when I
smelled that. For the first time, and you know, I've
heard that. You know, I really fully believe in guardian angels.
Whether this dog man represents something of darkness, I don't know.
It's never harmed me at all, so parbe it's a
past judgment. But at the same time, maybe this was
a counterbalance where if it was looking to do harm
to me, maybe I had a little bit of divine intervention.
So but it was it was just kind of a
wow moment on so many levels.
Speaker 2: It really really moved me.
Speaker 3: So I am a strong believer in that. You know,
we have guardians watching out for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does sound like it must have been a
wild moment. When it comes to these guys, there are
a lot of qualities that point soundly towards them being
supernatural in origin. I mean, they do so many things
that that's really the only explanation. So maybe they are
from Hell, maybe they are demonic in nature. It's really
hard to say. But you just can't explain the way
everything that they do by saying, okay, you have their
flesh and blood creatures, because there's so many things they
do that just can't be explained away that way. So
he might be onto something there what's about time for
us to wrap it up here, Jimmy, before we do,
do you have any clothes in comments you'd like to share? Yeah?
I do.
Speaker 3: And just for the listeners, first, I appreciate you listening
to my episodes. I just asked that everybody realized that
every single person that comes on here, they're sharing something
very fragile, you know, and I see I see a
lot of people saying so oh, like, oh, it's another episode,
I can't wait to get my popcorn and this and that,
and just remember, like be sensitive and realize that, you know,
people are are sharing their.
Speaker 2: Car crash experiences with you. And while it.
Speaker 3: May be quote unquote entertainment for a lot of you,
it takes I'm fairly comfortable with you know, speaking in public,
but it takes a lot of intestinal fortitude and it
takes a lot of courage to to do this and
to talk about things like these. So just remember that
what you know before you if you had type comments
like this is just pure entertainment.
Speaker 2: This isn't.
Speaker 3: These aren't still quote unquote stories, These are actual encounters.
So but that and and you know, Vic, I really
appreciate you taking the time, not only with me, but
with all the other survivors and people that really trusting you,
and I think what you have going is phenomenal. Like
I said, I've been following you for a very long time,
so just you know, keep doing what you're doing. And
you know, I think if people are more sensitive to
the people that come forward, then I think we're heading
in the right direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely are if that's the case, And thank
you so much for saying that. Yeah, it just is
a shame when I see people talking about the episodes
like I'm writing up stories and shame on you, Vick
for not coming up with a more interesting story. I mean,
there is no such thing as a dog mean encounter
that's not exciting enough to come on the show. And
it kind of hurts when I see an eyewitness tell
me that, or I hear an eyewitness tell me that, well,
my encounter is not exciting enough to make it on
the show. Excitement has nothing to do with it. The
only thing I care about is are you telling me
the truth about your encounter or not. If it's true
that you had an encounter or encounters, and if you
want to be a guest on the show, then by
all means let's do a show. If it's not true,
then of course I don't want you on. But yeah,
I'm so glad you said that, because, yeah, it's not entertainment.
This this what we're doing here. We're talking about people's
car crashes. Like you said, that's a great way to
put it. It really is. And again I'm so glad
you said that.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just call it like I see it. And
you know, I know I've been I've been one of
those people, you know, looking at that keyboard and saying, no,
it's really easy for me to write something you know
that a wise guy would write or something. But you
know what, you know, try to put yourself in other
people's shoes, and I think we do that overall, we'd
be a lot better off. So, you know, just my
dad me, my parents told me, think before you speak,
and I think you know you being a father now
and just trying to push that message along, just think
before you speak, and be sympathetic, you know, to other people,
because you never you never know what other people are
going through.
Speaker 2: You're right, you definitely don't. Those are good words. Well, Jimmy,
I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing
the details of all these experiences with us. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Vick. I appreciate your time and
it was my pleasure. And don't take this the wrong way,
but I hope that we never have to talk again.
Speaker 2: Well that makes two of us. You've had way too
many encounters and hope you never have another one. So
I've got my fingers crossed for you. But having said that, yeah,
thanks again so much for your time, Jimmy, and have
a great night you too. Thanks, we'll see you. Well.
That's a wrap for another one, another one in the book. Thanks,
as always so much everyone for listening. I really do
appreciate it. And as you already know, if you've had
a dog mean encounter that you'd like to speak with
me about in private or on the show, all I
have to do is just go to dogmandancounters dot com
submit a report, and if you do that, then I'll
just contact you and schedule a phone conversation and we'll
take it from there. But having said that, thanks against
so much for listening everyone, and have a great night.