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Speaker 4: Hey guys, welcome back to another show. I'm really excited
about my guest today. My guest today is Sean Patrick Hayslett.
He's been on the show before guys. If you're not
familiar with him, Shawn is the host of Through a
Glass Darkly, which I got to tell him that I
used to have a surf video called Through a Looking
Glass Darkly, so I got to ask him what that means.
For a fascinating conversation at the crossroads of paranormal, national security,
military science, fiction, geopolitics, intelligence and technology, and the unknown,
Sean brings an extraordinary and unique background to this discussion.
A technologist, a finance professional, an author, an editor, and
a former US Army Cavalry officer. He also a former
intelligence analyst. Shawn has worked in areas involving strategic war
games and simulations for the Pentagon. During graduate school, he
assisted future Secretary of Defense Ash and B. Carter at
the Harvard Stafford Preventative Defense Project, where he developed strategic
options related to a Ron's nuclear program. Wow, but Shawn's
interesting extend far beyond the conventional national security. Through his
show Through Glass Darkly, Shawn explores the intersection between the
paranormal and the world of military science, hill it's history, geopolitics, writing,
and the current cultural zeitgeist. Tonight, we'll explore questions surrounding
UFOs and UAP disclosure, the paranormal, military and intelligence perspectives
on an almost phenomena, geopolitics, emerging technology, science fiction, and
what happens when ideas once considered impossible began crossing over
to reality. And with all that said, i'd like to
add him to the stage and Sean, thank you so
much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Man, how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? Thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 2: Rob absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 4: What I wanted to ask you first was I don't
think I asked you this last time you were on
the title through Glass Darkly. I used to surf back
in my twenties and I had a surf video called
through a Looking Glass Darkly, Like what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Like, I never understood. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I first just kind of liked the sound
of it, and that's what I based the name of
the channel, and I didn't really think too deeply about it.
But then when you look into it, it's tied to
a reference in scripture in Corinthians. I don't know the
chapter in verse, but it basically it's like Pluto's cave, right,
It's you know, we're not seeing things as they are,
We're seeing things as we sense them. Right, We're looking
through a glass darkly, and that's what reality really is. Right,
because our senses have evolved over you know, hundreds of
thousands of years to keep us alive, not to present
what the absolute truth is. Right, we see a very
narrow range of perception on both the visual spectrum as
well as the audio spectrum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I love that.
Speaker 4: And for people discovering you for the first time, how
did you go from electrical engineering, the military and intelligence
work to exploring the paranormal.
Speaker 1: So I've always been interested in this stuff, you know,
It's been a science fiction and horror writer since at
least twenty eleven. And I used to, you know, write
a little bit, you know, even before then, just not trying,
you know, attempting publication. But I would say I really
started to delve more into it around twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
when I read this book called Psychic Warrior by David Morehouse,
and I learned that the US government literally used psychic
espionage techniques in order to gather intelligence on our adversaries.
The technique was called remote viewing. It's real if you
look on the CIAS website with all their declassified documents.
It's a real thing. The government, at least what they've disclosed,
spent about twenty million dollars in the program that lasted
from you know, at least nineteen seventy two to nineteen
ninety five when the CIA shut it down once it
was exposed. Now I know also for a fact that
that program was the program that was run out of
Fort Meade, But there were definitely other programs. At the
very least there was one that Army Special Forces ran,
and there are you know, there's a whole separate remote
viewing protocol that's similar to but different from the protocol
that was developed by SRI in the Stanford Research Institute
back in the nineteen seventies under Ingo Swan.
Speaker 2: You do you feel that like over time remote doing
has been screwed.
Speaker 4: There's not screwed, skewed like in a perception of like
some people may not be doing it right or there's
different versions of it. And you know, sometimes I'm wonder,
how do we know what's the original og method of
remote viewing in which one works the best?
Speaker 1: You know, so there's a number of different protocols that
are well two things. There's a lot of people who
are psychic, and they mislabel clairvoyant capacity. As remote viewing,
remote viewing is very specific, right. It has a very
specific protocol called coordinate remote viewing or controlled remote viewing,
depending on which original military remote viewer you learn it from. Also,
there's something called extended remote viewing, which is a little
bit you know, deeper in kind of a theta wave
state that you would get into to get more information,
whereas controlled remote viewing coordinate remote viewing, it's more of
a in an alpha wave state while you're just sitting
down and sketching out what the target looks like. So
there are a number of variants. Some of the variants
are almost identical, but the instructor who came out of
the military typically had to rename it for intellectual property concerns.
So morehouse teaches coordinate remote viewing. Lin Buchanan teaches controlled
remote viewing. When Ed Dames was still alive, he taught
technical remote viewing. Right now, Courtney Brown teaches scientific remote viewing,
and they're all they're all a little bit different. Then
there's the Hawaii Remote Viewer Guild remote Viewers Guild version,
which is based on the Army Special Forces version that
I just talked about, and then there's a bunch of
other variants that came out from people who were trained
by the original military remote viewers. Now, if you can't
trace your training lineage back to one of those military
remote viewers. Now there are exceptions, because I've heard anecdotally
that the Vatican has its own remote viewing unit that
predated that the Germans had a equivalent remote viewing equivalent
during World War Two, apparently centered in I think Algsburg, Germany.
But that's how I would kind of draw the line.
And it's a very specific process, right, So I would say,
if you talk about kind of psychic capacity, right, there's
kind of like or and or magic. And I like
to use Dean Raiden's doctor Dean Reiden's terminology. So there's
kind of three broad areas of activity. There's divination, chantment,
and then there's theorgy. So I would put things like
remote viewing into the divination category, which is kind of clairvoyance,
seeing kind of outside of local space time things like that.
And so you know, all remote viewing is clairvoyant, but
not all clairvoyance is remote viewing, is the way I
would loosely characterize it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as like magic and manifestation, do you
like to research that topic as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely So the two other things I mentioned
enchantment that's kind of related to, you know, you manifesting
something in this kind of in this realm. And then
theorgy is kind of evoking or invoking the aid of
a non human intelligence to help you out right, the
most obvious form. I think most people in their lives
have engaged in theorgy. And when I say that, it's
you know, anytime you say a prayer, that's an act
of theorgy. And what Dean Rayden will tell you, or
at least he's told me that spells and prayers from
an empirical standpoint are indistinguishable in terms of their effects.
So if you get a big group of people to
pray for somebody and things like that, like, there are
real effects and they can be quantified. So that's that's
kind of where how I would answer that particular question.
Speaker 2: Well, that's fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you think people would invoke non human intelligence
is usually a demon, right, like someone like like satanic,
like either like a demon or a witch like, but
not not not all the time, right, like we hear
stories of contact ease, being able to you know, h
channel benevolent beings for information, you know, but usually sometimes
when it's something physical, it's more on the lines of
like witchcraft or you know, someone invoking something, you know,
a spirit to gain something.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, three was that.
Speaker 1: I would It's complicated, So I would say it depends
not like of the three things that I just talked about.
I would even Dean Rayden would say this. You don't
want to mess with the the orgy stuff, because that's
that's the part that you can you can't control, right,
So things might work really well at first, and then
you get this. The other aspect is because you don't
know what you're dealing with. You don't know what you're summoning,
and you know, you might think you're summoning an angel,
but you're summoning the equivalent of what a demon is.
But what's really what is even a demon?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like? What non human intelligence are you speaking to and invoking?
If you don't know, you probably don't want to play
with it, right, So I so like the short answers,
I don't I don't know what these people are playing with.
They may claim to know, but I don't think they know. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: One of the things that came up recently was Disclosure
Day with Spilberg, and I know you cover UFOs a
lot and the recent four drops of disclosure, which to me,
I'll be honest with you, I wasn't impressed at all.
Like I have you know people who come on my show,
and I'm sure you do too, who have much better
evidence than what the government's putting out, Like, I don't,
where are you at with this whole disclosure thing?
Speaker 1: Uh? I would just ignore us. I like, they have
far better data. There's far better evidence you can find
for you can determine for yourself whether or not this
stuff is real more effectively than that government can. Right,
I mean literally, if this is a nice safe thing
to do, right, just keep something to write with or
keep your iPhone next to your bed so that when
you wake up, just start recording your dreams and then
over time just periodically review that journal that you put
together and you will find precognitive hits. That's how you
know this stuff. The government's not gonna I really don't
know what their game is right now. I think as
soon as the Epstein lists heated up, then they kind
of started throwing us a bone. It could also be
that there are predictable intervals where let's say, the veil
of reality things right, and things start coming through, and
I think, you know, maybe roughly once every eighty years,
there's a huge wave of sightings, and right now, with
the technology that everybody has to record what's happening, the
government's is trying to get ahead of another mass wave
of sightings that's coming. Again. I don't know if that's true,
but that could be a case. It could obviously be
to distract, as I mentioned earlier, the whole Epstein thing,
they at least are appearing to be serious, right. So
I attended a disclosure form event in back in June,
kind of late mid to late June, and one of
the people that they had present was a psychologist. And
the reason they had a psychologist is apparently the government
hired a team of six psychologists from institutions like Harvard, etc.
And they did a deep dive on how people might
react to some of the information came out, and one
of the conclusions was it's best to be direct and
honest about this, otherwise you'll lose trust. It would have
been nice if the government got that memo in twenty twenty,
because I think the trust is gone. But the part
that concerned me is they also did like a COVID
like analysis, right. Remember with COVID, they were, you know,
the analysis was like how many beds does each hospital
have and how much capacity do they have for patients?
So we got to like flatten the curves so the
hospitals are overwhelmed, YadA, YadA. So they did similar analysis
for mental institutions, right, so they you know, essentially took
like what percentage of the population is going to freak
out about this stuff from ontological shock and whatnot, and
of course the number was pretty small, but they also
looked at how much surge capacity do mental you know,
the available mental institutions right now have to handle these patients.
And apparently mental institutions are already you know, highly capacity constrained,
so they're you know, their concern is is they have
to drip this stuff out so that you know, you
don't freak out too many people to overwhelm the institutions.
But but again, like what extremely smart people, the way
that they analyze the world is not always the way
the world is, right, I think I think that they're
undermining their own credibility by dripping it out because people
think they're just being stone walled and and you know, bullshitted, right,
excuse my language. So so I think there is there
is definitely an intent, Like we are in it right now,
we are literally in the midst of disclosure. But we're
not going to get, you know, the fundamental answer to
what reality is. We're going to get like a narrative
positive positive like I don't know about positive narrative necessary,
but we're going to get a sugarcoated narrative that only
describes surface level reality. And there's still gonna be a
lot of things that just aren't disclosed at all. And
you can see it in some of the ways that
the narrative is being shaped already. So if you look
at the four Drops, there's all this focus on orbs
and like red fireballs and all that stuff. And then
you look at this UAP Advisory Group, and what's the
first thing at AVI lobe says, oh, do not focus,
like you forget about the past. Forget about the past. Right,
that's a huge red flag. It's a gigantic red flag.
And then they have there's a there's a there's a
huge skeptic on there. I forget, I forget what his
name was. Be its with an s. Schlemmer or Shermer
Michael Schermer and like, and he puts out tweets like
if you've ever had somebody dig a well, right, I
know of two people who have. These people will show
up the well diggers will show up with dowsing rods,
like it could be in Utah, it could be in
North Carolina. Those are the two examples I have. They
always show up with dowsing rods and they'll kind of
do their dowsing thing, find the water and dig and
they always find water exactly where? Now is that luck?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: That's two examples. Yeah, maybe, but it works, Okay, dowsing
is a real thing. And you know, Shermer tweets that,
like you know, anybody you know, like, we're not. This
is like ridiculous, it's not real. And then he talks
about this study where people were walking around like with
buckets of water and it's just like and they weren't
able to dows with that, and it's like, no shit, Michael,
the water's static, it's not moving right, the water underground
is moving like electrically charged rocks and things like that
that maybe like how this thing works. The bottom line
is the experiment that you're referring to is a broken experiment.
It's like absolutely, like it is horrifically poor experimental design.
And any scientist who wasn't excuse my language retarded would
tell you that that's a poor experimental design. It doesn't like.
But the fact that he's throwing stuff out there, I
don't think he's that stupid, right. So the other thing
that he threw out there was this report from the
University of Colorado at Boulder. And why is that significant
because that's where the Condon scam report came out from
back back in the day. So they're using the University
of Colorado at Boulder, which has been known to just
you know, a hotbed in this topic for disinformation basically,
And they had this whole Remember, all the stuff that
they're putting out in these drops are about orbs, right,
and about orbs, and they're like, you know, they appeared
they appear to be you know, moving informations and stuff
like that. So they had they hired a scientist to
show that this was just some natural phenomenon. This is
what orbs do. They're just they're they they get the
like the plasmas like that are formed from meteorites coming
into the to the earth and combine with dust. They're
just dirty. They're just dirty like plasmas. Right, and then
because of their characteristics they formed, they naturally form these
things that appear to describe intelligent behavior. So again it's
not like if it came out of Harvard University, I'd
take it a little bit more seriously or stand for
or whatever. But if it's coming from the universe, see
that has like a known track record of just you know,
shoveling worse ship for the national security. So it seems
to me that there's an agenda in what they're choosing
to disclose. That I could be wrong, Like I'm willing
to be open, but I have not been impressed. In fact,
I've been the opposite of impressed. I've been pretty pissed
off every time they put something out. Now, there is
that one video where something appears to you know, shift
on a right angle at high speed, but the level
of resolution of the video, it's like somebody like you know,
showed me a screen from pong back in you know,
inn Atari back in nineteen eighty one, right, so it's
not it's not enough to really convince people at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you what are your thoughts on the reality?
Speaker 4: Like going back to like everything all the disclosure we
know and and and you know, I know you you're
pretty well versed in eupology, you know, So.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 4: I mean, like even Linda Moulton Howe, I mean not
that she's a I mean she's kind of a pioneer,
but like I'm saying, like a lot of people to
say that we have a secret space program or there
is some kind of secret space program.
Speaker 2: Now I can't verify for every.
Speaker 4: Experience they're coming out and saying they're a part of it,
but like it seems like there is something out there
and that's a part of this deception, the anti gravity,
the free energy or at least that or something. I
know someone came on my show and showed a patent
for a TR three B before. Where do you stand
with all this? I know you're I know you're skeptical,
but you're also logical. So I really value your opinion.
Just from our conversation in the past, and I watch
your show. So yeah, I'd love to know where you're
at with this whole secret space program thing.
Speaker 1: So the headline is there's always been a secret space program.
It started before even NASA, and that's just deal with
the Air Force, right, and the Air Force started in
nineteen forty seven, so right roughly when this secret space
program started. So when NASA, you know, sends up satellites
and all that stuff, the Air Force is doing that too,
and they have all sorts of classified satellites and space platforms,
weapons platforms, et cetera. So that is there's clearly a
secret space program like that this you know, twenty and back.
That's horseshit, Like that's absolute horseship. It's not real, like
and I know it's not real because Corey Goode sued
people for claiming they were in this secret space program.
And if the thing were real, he wouldn't have any
basis to sue them, right, But he claims it's all
as intellectual property and this and that, like, my experiences
are not your intellectual property. Your experiences are not my
intellectual property. So you know the So that's number one.
Number two, the intelligence community has a good reason to
make up stuff like this to obscure real secrets and
real things that potentially exist. So I think it's a
ready airring. I think it's something that's just part of
a fairly well organized disinformation campaign. But if you know,
we had something like that, there would be evidence of
it where they building these ships, where they you know,
it wouldn't you would be able to detect some of it. Now,
do we have like anti gravitic craft things like that.
That's possible, but I don't think. I don't think everything
we see in the sky is part of that, If
that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah you think, I mean, do you think it's uh,
maybe alien or interdefensional or something like that, or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I think some of it's ours. Like
I'll give you an example. I just interviewed the Tedesco
brothers just recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love those guys. They're interesting. Yeah, they're they're
they're really cold.
Speaker 1: They and I asked him explicitly, what this the same
question at least that they saw in their instrumentation. Most
of what they saw were plasma like like what you
would call sentient plasmoids or something that operated akin to
because they don't know if it's sentient or not. So
these like orbs balls of light. But they also saw
a number of these things that were like drones, but
they didn't I think show up on The one weird
thing about the drones is they they operated according to
the normal tits of physics, like they weren't doing sharp
angled turns and things like that, but they appeared to
be observe serving the orbs, like following him around and
things like that. The only weird thing about those is
that they didn't have I think I think it was
thermal signatures, which is a little weird, but that's something
that the government confeasibly. I mean, they they came up
with stealth right back in the sixties and seventies, so
it's perfectly reasonable for them to come up with something
that at least masks the thermal signature of a drone,
which probably doesn't burn that hot. So what I think
you saw in those cases when the government says, oh,
it was us, they're not lying, right. Some of those
drones were US government drones, but they were up there
to observe these other orbs which were also up at
the same time.
Speaker 4: You know what's so weird, Sehn, I don't know if
I told you this the last podcast we did, but
this was absolutely fascinating. So when there was I live
in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, by the way, Okay, to give you
kind of detail, And if you remember when that drone
and ORB craze that was going on, like in like
twenty twenty four, at the end of twenty twenty four,
you know, I was doing a podcast. I went outside
and I filmed a drone. I think I still have
it on my Instagram. It looked like a drone to
me because it had weird lights on it, you know
what I mean. So like I was fascinated by that.
I put it on my Instagram.
Speaker 2: I put it's just a drone or a plane or
what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And I didn't I might repost it because you know what,
they get a lot of attention then.
Speaker 4: But then three days later, like maybe two days later,
I was walking up to the gas station and it
was a BP gas station if you're familiar with those,
and like three hundred feet above the BP gas station
or two, you know, like something like very high up
in the air. But like in sight and clear sight
was this plasmoid shape shifting ORB like I've never seen
before in my life. Like it wasn't a UFO at all,
but it was like a it was like an orb
and but it was changing colors. It was going from
green to purple. And it was like shape shifting in
a way where it was like moving like abnormally.
Speaker 1: It was so bizarre.
Speaker 4: And I tried getting a you know, I tried getting
like a you know, ah, like I tried getting a
you know, like to.
Speaker 2: Film it and stuff.
Speaker 4: And as soon as I pointed my phone to it,
my phone blurret out, like it didn't. My phone didn't malfunk.
My phone blurred out. But then I started to think
to myself, Well, why isn't other people's cars like fought,
you know, cause I've heard about when things when they
have stuff like this, people's cars fail. Or why isn't
anybody stopping, or why isn't anybody looking at this like
nobody was, you know, I don't think I was going insane,
you know, I think I I think I really saw something.
I just don't know what the mechanics were behind it,
or like what what it was or you know, I'm
I'm pretty open in that sense where like, you know,
I'm not I don't I'm never quick to claim anything
like I'm just I just stay open about it. And
I'm like, that's kind of why I have the whole
like we go deep do you decide thing on my
podcast because I'm like, you know, I don't want to
have a confirmation and then be completely wrong about something,
so I try to leave things open, if that makes
any sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So one person that's actually good to talk to,
although I don't agree with them very often, is Mickwest, right,
And you know, for one good thing about Mick West
is he can you know, if you talk to him,
just ask him, like, what are the sort of things
that I should try to rule out before I rule in?
What this thing that I might be seeing in the
sky is. And I'll tell you like like real tools,
like which websites to go up to see if there
were any aircraft flying over at that exact time. And
then you know there was one I had a weird
sighting that I was like, that was weird? What was that?
And you know it turned out to be a freaking cesta, right,
because I check that, you know, you check that particular website.
But sometimes when something's coming towards you, it doesn't look
like it's moving. It looks like it's especially if it's
a light in the sky, it looks like it's just
kind of hovering there. So I would I would definitely
recommend like check the day and time Africa, what the
website is. But you can watch my Mick West interview
and he'll go over all those things and then.
Speaker 2: I also, oh, sorry, start go ahead, star good.
Speaker 1: Just like common mistakes that people make, like buwllye, like
they'll mistake bulllides for people who aren't used to looking
up in the night sky right will confuse. I know
this is trite, but they seriously will confuse sometimes like
planets for you know, something that's that's not so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I was gonna say was every time that
I've had something that I thought was paranormal and I've
tried to film it, I've always gotten my phone blurred out,
like and that's not I just sweart of got on
my Dad's great. But it's not me making an excuse
or anything like that. It seems like whatever. Like I
don't know if this happens to other people, because people
seem to be able to get stuff on film, but
like for me, what I've noticed is it seems like
these entities are whatever we're dealing with, has the ability
to knock out power.
Speaker 2: They can then they can knock out your phone. They
can do really weird shit, you know.
Speaker 4: And if they don't want you to be to capture
them on film, you know, because I see you're gonna,
I don't want you to think about it, you know.
I see entities in the wall sometimes, Like I see
entities when I outside, when I I'll go outside and
smoke a joint at night, and like I'll see entities,
like like astral entities, like like all over the place,
you know, but like they just seem to be watching,
you know. I can't verify that, but I mean, it's
it's definitely fascinating. I feel like the veils thitting. I
feel like we're reaching a new you know, and more
people are gonna start having experiences.
Speaker 2: But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've seen something. I can't remember exactly
where I read it, but there was it might have
been like a Twining correspondence or something like that where
they talk about you know, these things come in predictable intervals,
and we need to make sure that the people know
about it so they don't freak out when these things
predictably show up. This might be the twenty twenty seventh
thing that folks are constantly talking about. But I talk
to a lot of people who've seen stuff, and they're
like super credible people, right, So I mean, I'll just
give you an example. So, have you seen the movie
The Color out of Space?
Speaker 2: No, what's that?
Speaker 1: That's the movie with Nick Cage back in like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen many too many new movies like
I saw.
Speaker 4: I think I watched The Sound of Freedom, I watched
Disclosure Day, and I can't But mostly I'm taken a
lot of podcasts, you know, but I'll pick it out
if it's worth of saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the director of that movie had an encounter
with the lady, like the same entity that or maybe
the same entity that Bledsoe purports to have seen. So
there's a like, there's a lot of serious people who
have exhibited this phenomena. Did you did you?
Speaker 4: Did you interview that guy on your on your podcast?
Because like I saw on your podcast, you interviewed someone
I wasn't familiar with him.
Speaker 2: But he had an encounter with the lady.
Speaker 1: It looked like, oh, yeah, that's a it's a different
I haven't interviewed. Uh, the guy's name is Richard Stanley.
I haven't interviewed him, but but you're talking about John Majorowski.
He also had like a weird encounter with the lady.
Speaker 2: Huh, what do you think?
Speaker 4: I mean, you do you do you like bloods? I mean,
do you feel bloods of testimony is credible?
Speaker 2: And like, what do you think the lady is?
Speaker 1: If you know, that's that's a crazy ques. Like it's
not a crazy question, but it's it's a very difficult
question to answer. Yeah, like I don't I mean the
easy answer is I don't know. But I have theories, right,
Like one theory could be again, I'm not wedded to it.
That like the lady tends to appear either during or
before periods of great crisis right where there's like lots
of bloodshed that happened, yeah, kind of near it. So
the place in fact where Richard Stanley saw the lady
was where the cathars were and then you know those
people were brutally suppressed and you know, burned at the
stake in twelve forty four AD after. I mean, she
likely appeared. I don't know if there's any history that
she appeared, but given that they are willing to die
for something that they believed to be true, chances are
that she did appear to them. So I mean she
if you can. I mean again, it's it's I don't
want to conflate too many things, but it makes sense
in terms of a narrative if you look at kind
of the apparitions of Mary, like Mary and apparitions, so
you take Fatima. Fatima occurred kind of towards the right
in the middle of World War One, right, So given
the way that the intelligence community, like anybody who has
I've only talked to three people okay, interviewed on my
podcast who had experiences with the lady, but every single
one of them was contacted in some way, shape or
form from the intelligence community. So what that tells me is,
whenever the Lady appears, it's a real phenomena and it
scares the shit out of I don't know why. I'm
not sure it could be just because of you know,
when she shows up, sometimes there's mass casualty events. Okay,
So what based on kind of those admittedly very loose data, right,
I think that if I had to guess, I'd say
she's some sort of emanation of like the Guya super intelligence. Right,
imagine that the planet is a living, breathing and like organism,
and she is her, you know, she's an avatar tar
for it to communicate with us. Because people who have
experiences with the Lady also kind of feel a lot
closer to nature and sort of things like that. Another
possible interpretation could be, and this is a wild one
that again I'm not waited to, is that, you know,
millions of years ago, some distant civilization sent out a
bunch of funoymen probes and seated life on all you know,
a variety of planets, Earth being one of them. And
what we're seeing is just the control system established by
some super advanced AI that came out of that funoyment
probe to make sure that evolution is directed in a
certain direction. Again, just a theory, but I'm right now
I'm leaning more toward the Gaia hypothesis. Now, of course,
there's people out there who say she's a demon, you
know whatever. But people I talked to have I would say,
have had a mix of experiences. Yeah, some very positive.
Speaker 4: So yeah, one thing about Bledsoe is the and I like,
I've never met Chris Bloodsow. I've never interviewed him, you know,
and I've interviewed a lot of people, but I mean,
I've always followed his story. One thing he said was
he said when this Iran war started popping off, which
I definitely want to get to talk to you about, that,
he said that orbs were going to peer up for
Israel and Iran and that shortly after that, the ETS
would come and they would, you know, kind of save
humanity because they.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't let nuclear war happen. Well, none of this happened,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And this was his prophecy, or his prophecy was something
like this, I think, right, I don't know yet yet.
Speaker 1: So he predicted the Israel kind of a run thing,
which is an insane in of itself. So he did
predict that, he predicted Yeah, And I think the other
thing again, I don't I don't know if he predicted this,
because this I can tell you. The source, So Bob Maguire,
that's the source, claims that he said that there would
be a time when Israel tries to nuke Iran and
ETS prevent that missile from ever striking. So it's more,
it's it's far more believable that the Israelis would try
to New Iran. I'm not I would not be shocked
by that at all because they're utterly.
Speaker 4: Like, if the Israelis nuked Iran, it's like, give me,
it would be like US nuking Mexico, you know what
I mean. Like, I mean, I don't know if the
distance is similar, but like what I'm saying is like,
you know, it's like if we if in the United
States New Mexico, it would be mutually a sort of
destruction on our own people because the radiation.
Speaker 2: So it would be the same for the Israelis. The
Israelis nuked and have you.
Speaker 1: You know, in israelis to make logical policy decisions, and
I mean logical, not right, So I would not be
surprised by that one bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: It's something called the Samsung option where if they're you know,
survival is threatened, they nuke everybody, including their friends and
allies they're in. They're nuts, They're fucking nuts. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I want to do, get into you know,
and I want I do want to cover a lot
of the paranormal stuff because like you know, you have
a great mind for the paranormal. But like you know,
I do want to get into some of this geopolitics
because I think it's important. You know, we have the
straight oh horror moves. We have a United States in
this conflict. We seem to be a talking Iran. Again,
Israel's involved in it. They're going after Webanon. I haven't
liked a thing that I think, Like I didn't, okay,
like I might have to put part of this on rumble,
but like I didn't, and I'm not saying anything that
anybody doesn't know, so you know, maybe I don't. I
don't know, you know, But like I just don't want
someone who's Israeli to come after me, like and take
the video down because I heard they can do that.
Speaker 2: But that's a little paranoid.
Speaker 4: But so what I'm saying is I didn't know how
bad the situation was with Israel, with what's going on
in Gaza, and I recently learned about that, like in
the last I mean, I've heard about it, right, but
then I heard the pallenteer was using AI drones in
Gaza to you know, hurt people and stuff like that.
Then I saw what they were doing in Lebanon and
I was like, man, this is fucked up, like this
is insane, like you know, and then it seemed like
they were had their hands in our affairs to where
they were pushing us to go to a war.
Speaker 2: And again I'm not against this.
Speaker 4: I have Jewish friends, and I always say this, like,
I don't want to condemn a whole race of people
because of something their government's doing, because we have a
fucked up government too, you know what I mean. You know,
we can't condemn Americans because our government's bad.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, whatever you'd like to riff off that, Yeah, yeah,
so I.
Speaker 1: Agree with you. It's the Israeli government. The Israeli government
wants you to conflate Zionism with you Judaism, which they're
not the same. Right one is the kind of Israeli
equivalent of you know, fascism basically, and I'm not I'm
not going to get too much into that, but Israel
is trying to grow. They have a patch called the
Greater Israel Project. Right it used to be a conspiracy theory,
but it's not. It's out in the open right now,
they're purportedly invading Lebanon to provide some distance between themselves
and Hisbolah, which was firing missiles into civilian areas in Israel.
So that's kind of the surface definition, but it's all
part of this you know, Greater Israel project where they're
just trying to expand their footprint in the Middle East.
In terms of our government, like our government is their government, right,
there's no separation. Right, They've establiedlished enough of a foothold
in here, using organizations like APAC to make sure that,
you know, American politicians kind of toe the line on Israel.
So our current government doesn't represent us in any way,
you know, any more than Stalin's government represented the people
of Russia. So and it's and it's it's to the
tune of there there's very few people, I want to
say it's over. At least over eighty percent of our
Congress is completely compromised. So that's why you still get
that's why you still see this nonsense. But compromised, I mean,
I mean you can look it up and just look
at I think I think certain organizations tried to get
this thing called APAC Tracker, like kicked off Twitter because
they just track who receives money from APAC. And you know,
a PAC should be registered as a foreign uh you know, government,
a government, but foreign affiliated organization, right, which most other
lobbying organizations that are tied to a foreign country are.
But for some strange reason, totally okay. But as a result,
we're being sent to wars that make absolutely no sense.
I mean, if you even look at hindsight, who benefited
from the war in I Rock, we sure as hell
didn't absolutely not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, right, and in Afghanistan too, you know,
and a lot of people think that that was to
you know, purvey some kind of poppy plants, because you know,
the opiate epidemic was like so intense here in the
United States. But you know what's interesting about that, And
I knew this is more of a conspiracy theory. But
you know, I'm an ex drug addict myself.
Speaker 2: I was, I was an addict.
Speaker 4: I never used heroin, I was it was pills. But like,
but like what I noticed was, you know, when when
the opiates start stopped like as much like it seemed
like the heroin, Like when we left Afghanistan, it seemed
like people started using fentanyl more like here in the
United States, like it seemed like the fentanyl crisis started
to go up.
Speaker 2: Like you know what.
Speaker 4: But maybe it was just a coincidence, is what it
was when we left Afghanistan. But I don't know if
maybe that was one of the reasons why we were
in Afghanistan or what do you what do you think?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know purportedly, right, we had to have
a response to nine to eleven, and that was related
to that response. So this one, you're gonna have to go,
like you really get really really speculative to come up
with a conspiracy theory for it. But if you again,
I can construct one. I'm not saying this is real,
but if you look at what the way the world
is really administered, you get a look at it through
the Epstein files and also through like the Didycompromise or
operation to even Hugh Hefner. Hugh Hefner had all his
rooms like like with like video instrumentation and things like that.
So there seems to be most billionaires become billionaires because
they're psychopaths, and you have to have a way of
organizing the world such that these psychopaths don't go off
the chain, so they get compromised, right, like systematically compromised.
The other thing too, there's there appears to be a
system above the system, right kind of centered at the
Bank of Settlements, and like a system above what we
think is is real and whatever that system is, it's
decided that there are too many people. And I think
this is this is tied inherently to the Lady as well.
Right if the Lady is an emanation of Gaya, then
there's too many fleas in the planet right now, and
you know, it's it's time to kind of So I
think a lot of the things that you're seeing in
popular culture that are killing people are aspects of that.
I think the fentanyl crisis is potentially an aspect of that,
The migration crisis when we flooded, you know, tens of
millions of immigrants in the in the like this country,
the open borders. I think the euthanasia movement in Canada,
where you know, people that are suffering from pain, they
automatically try to route them to these like suicide centers.
Basically I shouldn't have said that, okay.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we're using it in an educational term,
you know, so I think it's I think it's okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: The Iron War, insanity, the whole pandemic, right, like the
cocktail that we all got or hope hopefully you didn't
get but I didn't get it. You'll probably you'll probably
be better off. I just got two. But I think
I think any I well, I'm not gonna you'll this
video will be taken down if you.
Speaker 2: Know what I did, dude, and I'm not gonna lie.
I I swear to God.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm not gonna say the comedian was, but
like you know, there was a comedian. I follow a
lot of podcasts, like I've been following podcasts for years.
Speaker 2: I've been watched. I watch all the comedians like Theovonne
and Christas Stefano and.
Speaker 4: You know if all the guys that are like on
the comedy circuit and that podcast, well, this one podcaster
was saying during the time, he was saying, hey, guys,
I'm giving out free or not free.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm I'm I'm doing v cards, you know,
like not and not a girls virginity.
Speaker 4: You know the card they give you when you go
to the thing and they you know, like so I
was being pressured at work too, like I was being
pressure to work.
Speaker 2: They wanted to give us a bonus if we got it.
So I was like, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't want to lose my job.
So I I contacted the guy and I was like, look,
I was like, I'm in this situation. And he was like, yeah,
He's like, I didn't. I was I want to make
it like a joke, like the thing. He's like, but
I can send you one, and I was like yeah,
and I you know, he sent me one and I
gave him my information and I it worked, you know,
for for my for all my I would that's when
I was working a job. I'm doing podcasting full time now.
But like, yeah, I didn't get it. I got I
got a fake card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I wish, I wish I had. I just
got two and then I was done after that because
I had I had because I already had the virus
and it like I just had a bad cough for
eight weeks and that was about it.
Speaker 2: I had it too.
Speaker 4: The girl I was dating at the time, we were
she she got it and then she called me and
she told me she had it. And then I was
feeling like really bad for me. I remember I felt
like like this like intensity in the back of my
head and neck, like it was like an overwhelming sickness.
And then I had it in my lungs and I
had it like, uh, just tire, just sleeping a lot
and tired.
Speaker 2: But uh, one thing that helped me was thieves oil.
Speaker 4: Like my my girlfriend at the time brought me thieves oil,
and like, I think that honestly saved my lungs. Like
it's it's it has like clove and some other stuff
in it. But uh, you know, like yeah, there was uh,
that was the time. I'm so happy that's over, you know,
I'm so I'm so happy that's over.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think it's I think, yeah, I think
it's gonna get progressively worse. So so.
Speaker 2: You know, like our car overall situation and the country
and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're gonna see a lot of people,
Like it's a delayed fuse, but you can see a
lot of people start dying from that, either from long
term COVID or from the other thing. Right, Because it
was you know, an experimental cocktail, it wasn't they didn't
do long term studies on this thing, so, and I
think that was the point. I think that was the point.
I think they the elites, think they're too many people
and they're doing what they can and the lady's showing up,
So that's probably freaking them out, at least the intelligence community.
Speaker 4: And I gotta ask you a question, So you you
took to you took too right, So have you used
any protocols to try to do anything to like get
that out of your seat? Like did you are you
into like alternative health at all or anything like that,
like where you like, you know, looked into like something
that could like you know, like kind of reset your
I don't know, or did you do anything to like
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: No, I mean the the best thing I probably did
was I did like a five day fast, But that
was just for separate reasons, right, That's just that's just
that's a good thing to do from time to time anyway,
to reset your system. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean I think
I feel fine. I'm not really feeling many. I think
if you got the booster, though, I think that's when
things start to really go downhillver people, Right, there are
people out there who are like on their seventeenth booster
like you know, good luck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly. Yeah, what I was going to say was,
what's interesting to bring it back to the paranormal.
Speaker 4: You mentioned the lady comes as she's like a harbinger
for when bad things happen.
Speaker 2: Remember that was the Mothman too, like that.
Speaker 4: You know, supposedly the Mothman showed up right before that bridge,
the Silver Bridge collapse back in was it sixty three
or sixty nine or something in Point Pleasant, West Virginia,
you know, and supposedly the Mothman's a harbager and doom too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if she's a harbinger of doom always, right, Yeah,
I just think she she tends to show up during
times of let's just say, like high transformation. Yeah. So
you know what she would say is she's here to like,
you know, don't despair, to kind of like keep the
human spirit up right, So just because she shows up
during these times, does not imply that she's causing these times, right.
It could just be that the you know, collective unconscious
needs needs some sort of a boost to avoid you know,
just kind of snowballing into despair, and she shows because
again we're talking to Mary and apparitions, right, like the
Catholic Church finds those to be very holy and this
and that. I just think there's a chance they misidentified
what they're really dealing with or deliberately co opted some
of the facts to suit a particular religious narrative. Again,
I say that as a Catholic.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to ask, you've gone back to the
Iran War and like what you see with this? Because
you were an intelligence analyst and you worked in some
of the highest levels of government, it seems like maybe
you did or maybe you had Errant's like like, so
you have to have a mind from wargames.
Speaker 2: Right like or I would think you would. You probably
have a mind for wargames. Like what do you see
with all this? Like oh, this straight of hornor moves bullshit?
Like you know, it was interesting.
Speaker 4: There's a guy on YouTube. He actually took his boat
and he went through the straight of hornor moves like
he would.
Speaker 2: You got to see.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious.
Speaker 4: But you see, like you see the US ships are there,
and you know the the Iranian ships are there, so
it's not a conspiracy they're there. But I mean, you
know what to kind of come full circle, Like, what
do you see as a war games analyst?
Speaker 1: Like, what what with all this?
Speaker 4: Because it's I think a lot of people are frustrated, right,
you know, because I think a lot of people feel like,
you know, they're saying, we're losing, we're gonna lose.
Speaker 2: Fuel and we're not gonna have fuel.
Speaker 4: And then that that acts as the urea, which you
know actsperts like the fertilizer for our food. So people
are thinking, how could the government be so irresponsible to
stay in this war when they know they need that
straight oh horror moves open to keep the world funk, right,
or at least that's what they're telling us, you know,
I you know, I don't know what the real Yeah, sorry,
I'll let you rip off that, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like none of these issues. Look, I personally know
a guy who were gained this in the Pentagon and
they foresaw all this, all of it, and it seems
to be what happened because it's obvious, like anybody who's
not a fucking retard would have seen it. What I
think happened is that Trump has again like I voted
for Trump twice, Okay.
Speaker 4: So I voted from once, Like, but you know, like, I,
you know, I'm not conservative, but I consider myself like
an independent, like because I've there have been times in
my life where I've been like against the government, like
punk rock, you know.
Speaker 2: And then like I you know, I got convinced of
vote for Trump, and I did.
Speaker 4: But now I'm like, I'm now I'm back to being
independent again because I'm not happy with the way he's
doing things.
Speaker 1: So it's like I voted for him. I mean, look,
when I voted for him, there was there was one
party of there's the White Genocide Party, and then there
was Trump. I don't like Trump, I never did, but evils, right, yeah, yeah,
it was a lesser of two evils. Now we have
two parties. One is the you know, pro Israel slave
Party and then the White Genocide Party. So like what
we got to do is we got to vote ourselves
out out of this you know, pro Israel policy, so
that we don't you know, destroy the country by throwing
like you know, blood and treasure at something that doesn't
make any sense. And then we got to deal with
the other problem that shows up, right, this is the
party that let let in twenty two million the legal immigrants, right,
So and then is given and free hotel rooms when veterans, like,
you know, disabled veterans are starving on the streets.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, you know, And I'll just back you
up on that. There was a guy from Chicago, this uh,
this black dude.
Speaker 4: He was uh he was filming like his hood of Chicago,
and he was like, look, guys, he's like it was
like across the street here. He was like, these are
all immigrants in these these housing buildings. And then he
showed the other side of the street. This is in Chicago, guys,
and the other side of the street was tense, and
he was like, those are veterans there. And I was like, fuck, man,
my dad was a Vietnam veteran. I was, you know,
I have total respect for the military. I was like,
you know, I was like, I can't believe they're they're
doing our veterans that dirty, you know what I mean.
Like it's like, you know, but someone made a good point.
They said, if you if you were to roll out
something big on population, you know, and you wouldn't want
to revolt, who would you not want to be able
to fight back? Well, you wouldn't want your retired veterans
to be able to fight back because they could be
your big strategists and they it.
Speaker 2: You know, So there is that conspiracy theory too.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, I just don't. I mean, it's just the
people who are in our government, many of them just
never served, so they're completely ignorant to what that you know,
what that entails and what that looks like. Is there
a conspiracy, I mean, it's anything's possible, right. There are
a lot of conspiracies that I wouldn't have believed were
true ten years ago, it turned out they were totally true. Right,
So I just think it's just ignorance that, like our
our leadership class is so ignorant of kind of the
ones and needs of the people that prop up the
system that they're just wolfully ignorant about about what, you know,
what people need and those sorts of things. Now, why
they let all these immigrants in is you know, you
could argue that there's a corporate rational for it. They
wanted to bring down you know, labor pricing, labor costs
and things like that, but it's inherently destabilizing when you
bring in people who have no tie to to like,
you know, the culture of the United States of America right,
and what takes to sustain it. So and that's why
you get you know, these really stupid. I mean, this
is the war with Iran right now is the single
biggest unforced geostrategic error in American history. Like there's no
reason for it, there's none. All of it was imminently foreseeable.
And I think I think President Trump got had so
little trust in his intelligence agencies, Like eighteen of them said, look,
the runs doesn't have news, like calm down. And I
think the Israelis wedged themselves into the discussion, and he
has so many backers that are like Zionist backers, and
you know, I think after in the wake of the
Maduro raid, they convinced him it would be easy, just
like that. Yeah, And there was nobody in the room
who was just like, you stupid fuck? Do you really
think the Iranian people are gonna rise? Like? Remember, remember
they said that about a rock? Remember they said that
about just about everywhere And they're always wrong? Are you?
Are you a stupid fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know the culture that like I had to
remind my audience this.
Speaker 4: The last time Iron was conquered was by Alexander the Great,
like literally like three thousand years ago. I don't think
they've been conquered, well, unless you want to call you know,
the Muslim Revolution a takeover, you know, but I mean
that was more of like a political you know thing.
But like I'm talking about from a foreign invader. You know,
the last time a foreign and vader, you know, had
any luck in Heran was Alexander the Great, and he
conquered Babylon and he conquered you know, the whole way
to India. I have Greek heritage, so I kind of
studied a lot of that stuff. I love I love
that stuff.
Speaker 1: But uh, look, if we if we wanted to do that,
we could do that, but there would be a draft.
It would take you know, you'd have millions of soldiers
on the ground in Iran, you'd have hundreds of thousands
of casualties, and you would have a rebellion in the
United States.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: So you can make it happen. You can try, but
you try to draft. You know, you've drug draft, like
for veterans, you tried draft our kids, Like, it's not
gonna end well for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is uh, this is from Karen McDonald. She comes
on my show. She's in the audience.
Speaker 4: She says, uh, she says, lots of young women being
raped up here, and it's a catch and release now
as Bill C nine limiting free speech. Like so we're
seeing this, this is what she was into, what you
were talking about with the immigration. You know, she lives
up in Canada and we're seeing this in Ireland. We
saw that Sudanese immigrant saw some fucking lady's head off
in the middle of the street, and like, you know,
I was glad to see that.
Speaker 2: The Irish people, you know, took up and revolted and like,
you know, it took action.
Speaker 4: Because like I don't know why they're letting all these
immigrants in these countries, but like Ireland's being ruined. And again,
this isn't racism, guys, We're not being racist. I'm not
being racist towards any you know. I just think that
like when you bring in immigrants, it's it doesn't work
out for a lot of reasons, Like there's cultural clashes
and you know, they're they're not in.
Speaker 2: What's ad to do it?
Speaker 1: It's sorry to do it, but follow the process, yeh,
Like vet the people coming in, uh, you know, offer
visas to people who are well educated and can contribute. Yeah,
don't just let the leave the border wide open. Yeah
then let you know me, Like meanwhile, Venezuela emptied all
its prisons when they came here, and there was a
time when they took over remember that they took over
that apartment complex and a Urura, Colorado. Yeah remember that? Right?
People forget all this stuff? I don't, right, and like
literally local law enforcement couldn't stop it. They couldn't and
then it suddenly went quiet. Like what happened with that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Was there a resolution? So yeah, you just can't have
unfettered immigration and like not vet these people because you're
gonna have problems like that in Ireland. I don't think
he quite cut the guy's head off, but he almost did.
And you know, the Irish just they started started burning
stuff down. And that's not the right answer either, right,
because there's you know, not every immigrant who's even come
here illegally, you know, is you know, deserves that sort
of treatment. Having like there, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: However, however, there politicians do what their politicians do, who
let this happen, So they're just targeting the wrong people.
And I'll just leave it at that. I'm not going
to say anything more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4: Well, it's one thing that I you know, one thing
that I thought was great was when I thought this
administration was in the right direction when he appointed Elon
with Doge and Doges was finding out that all these
you know, misconceptions and people's salaries, you know, that all
these politicians were on the take for large amounts and
you know, living luxury lifestyles.
Speaker 2: You know. So I did think that was a good thing.
Where you did you did you agree with that or
what did you think of that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I just wish they kept going right, But they
ended up shutting down USAID, which is really ended up
being a front for all these like riots and things
like that that we experienced. So like all this white
supremacist bullshit, right like that was funded by the Southern
Poverty Law Center, Right, Like they were funding the stuff
that they were complaining about so that they could you know,
raise more money. Like everything's fake, everything's fake, And we're
just starting to slowly come to that realization, like a
government is not here to help us. Government is like
an oppressor and we just got to try to avoid it.
As much as possible and try not to get caught
in it's crosshitters. You know. It's just like you know,
I don't want to get in the January sixth, but
that whole thing was an FBI op, right, Yeah, And
there's like literal old lady literal like ladies go into
prison because they just followed the crowd into the protest area,
right like, they didn't see any signs that said they
couldn't go in there, and they got put in prison
for it. So yeah, I don't trust anything like I
think this is the time when institutions need to just burn.
Speaker 2: We just I agree, I.
Speaker 4: Say we we take the whole system down and rebuilding
something new. You know, I'd love to see someone from
our community get into a political position like which. There
is one person running. I follow Jake Shield's podcast. He's
an ex UFC fighter and uh he's he He has
a a friend named Dan Bilzarian. Dan Bazarian, I guess,
is running for Congress.
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with this guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I sometimes think he's he's like I suspect he's
an Israeli plan right, And the and the reason I
the reason I do is like anybody who conflates Jews
with Zionists, right, is doing Israel a solid because Israel
needs Jews to be afraid so that they want to
fleed the countries where they are and join the Israeli
military so they can fight and die and Israel wars. Right. So,
I he's so over the top, like you know, anti
Semitic that it's like.
Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, yeah, again, they're condemning a whole race
of people, And how can you do that when there's
so many Like I've dated Jewish women, you know what
I mean, Like I have, I have Jewish friends. I
was a mortgage broker for ten years. I worked at
Wells Margo. One of my best friends was one of
the managers.
Speaker 2: He was a Jewish guy.
Speaker 1: Like it's like, it's like, it's like blaming every person
with Irish descent in the United States for ira bombings.
It's like, yeah, it really is. Yeah, yeah, it's uh
So I would be highly like people like that who
are over the top, I would be highly suspicious of
because they do I mean, he may not even realize
what he's what he's doing, but all that's doing like
the israelis Israeli government once people once choose to be
afraid because then those support is real that much more.
Speaker 2: That's the whole people.
Speaker 4: They look for the people who are anti Semitic on
podcasts and they go after them. I heard, like I
heard like that's why I'm trying to like I'm making
sure that I say, you know, like, look, I don't
have a problem to to his people, because like I
heard that there are people that like, you know, they
they hunt down podcasts that are so that they consider
anti semitic and they wipe them out.
Speaker 2: That's what I've heard, you know, I don't know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Any any pod. I mean, it depends on what's anti semitic, right, Yeah,
like if you're killing Palestinians, that's anti Semitic, like Palestine, right,
absolutely so, So there are people who are deliberately obfuscating
and like bluntly conflating being against you know, the policy
of the Israeli government with being anti Semitic, which is
absolute worship, right, It's just absolute worship.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so so do you see where what do
you see Like if you had to, if you had
to predict what's gonna happen, what do you see happening?
Speaker 2: From an intelligence analyst, perspective.
Speaker 1: So it depends like, if we continue this insanity, you're
gonna see more inflation. You're gonna see fuel prices go up.
And I think they got enough fuel in to get
through the planting season, right, in terms of have enough.
You know, you mentioned at the very at the very
beginning that the fertilizer, right that, yeah, fifty of a
certain type of fertilizer comes from the Middle East through
the Street of Muse. So even that slight disruption, you
will see some food and security in places like Pakistan,
you know, certain areas of Africa, and that you will
see prices continue to rise in the US while this
nonsense continues happening. The other thing, too, is we or
whoever was managing this thing, didn't bother to bake in.
The revolutionary revolution and military affairs comes out of the
use of drone technology, right, Like we're scrambling to catch
up even though we've been funneling billions of dollars into Ukraine,
watching watching that whole revolution happen in real time, right,
So I would be more concerned with the impact this
has on the economics of the American people. It's also
weakening the dollar and the reason it's wakening the dollar
is because we've been unable to successfully defend our allies
in the Gulf because of the stupid war and because
of the advent of drone warfare. We have lost credibility,
right Like normally the United States was known for like
if if you know, we say we're going to go
and do something, you know, we're going to bring mass
and firepower on that area and completely top like top
top right. So people people say we didn't win the
Iraq War. If that's worship, we win the Iraq War,
they're an ally right, Like things are, Saddama's gone, it's
more stable, et cetera. Afghanistan, that's fair. We we basically
defeated ourselves with Biden's ridiculous withdrawal. Right, that didn't have
that didn't have to happen that way, but but it did.
So that kind of hurt our credibility. And then this
thing is just it's going to be a rough, you know,
twenty five years to the United States trying to re
establish that credibility after this debacle. And the other thing too,
is we have a giant yoke around our neck right
now with Israel, and until that's fixed, there's no hope
because we're literally just we're literally just executing the foreign
policy of a nation that doesn't really give a shit
about the American people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're literally giving them billions and trillions of
dollars just to exist and fund their war games, you know,
Like I don't know if people know. I mean, like
a lot of our tax dollars supposedly go to Israel.
Are you did you hear about this as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about three billion dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 4: And people wonder that why am I paying taxes to
go so it goes to Israel? You know what I mean,
that's fucking insane. That's actually that.
Speaker 1: We're paying taxes so that we can do things that
cause oil prices to go up for everybody. So yeah,
there's no They say it's about nuclear weapons and all
that stuff. Well, if it's about nuclear weapons, we should
be bombing Israel right now because they're the only country
in the Middle East with nuclear weapons and the fact
that they have them is absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so funny.
Speaker 4: Like I've said, it's been great to see THEO vonn
I'm a big fan of Theobon's it's been great to
see him be like really proactive about this Israel situation.
And he was he said something so funny. He was
like he was like Joe Rugan was like, yeah, He'srael's
out there looking for the terrorists. And he was like,
he's like looking for the terrorists. Tell them to look
in the mirror. He's like, they are a terrorists, you know, Like,
and he's right, you know, I mean, but you know what, honestly,
like that doesn't mean I agree with the Ron's you know,
treatment of their I mean, like, I think Iron has
a beautiful culture, but there they're fuck Their government's absolutely
fucked up too. They're the way they treat women as
fucked up. They you know, it's it's insane the way
they treat women.
Speaker 2: Actually, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a fan of Iran, but like
I don't have a beef with them. Yeah, right, Like
they're not They're not sending my friends to die in
foreign wars indirectly, right, they're not. There's only one country
that's doing there. So yeah, I don't, I don't. I
just think that things are massively out of whack in
relationship I mean they were. I mean, I think this
is still ongoing, but the National Defense Authorization Act, like
they were trying to merge our intelligence with the Israelis.
That's are you and kid? Are you kidding me? Everything
everything that we have that's not stripped down, they steal
and sell to the Chinese or the Russians, like and
they have in the past. Right, That's what Pollard did.
Speaker 2: And that made me think, like of all the people
that served, Like I don't know if I told you
my grandfather was a prisoner of war and World War.
Speaker 4: Two, my dad was a Vietnam vet, and I and
then I saw that you served, so like it's like
all the people that served and fought for our freedom,
it's like it's like being put to waste because of
like what is we're seeing now in foreign policy, you know, yeah,
and immigration and a lot of other bad decisions, you
know what I mean, weaponizing sex, religion, all this shit,
weaponizing transit, all this shit.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's there's there's so many avenues where you go down to.
Speaker 1: Transgender thing, right, like without going in in any detail,
Like I don't care what somebody does to their own body,
Like it's not my business and it never will be
my business, but it's a pretty damn good way to
psychologically sterilize people, right, absolutely, so they don't have children
and you get a population decline. Right. I'm not saying
that's what's happening, but you know that's again, I do
whatever you want to your body. That's not my business.
But at the aggregate level, people will have fewer children
and that's that result.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we kind of went really hard on you know,
geopolitics and stuff.
Speaker 4: I kind of wanted to end it with coming back
to the paranormal because I know you love the paranormal
and I do too. What's your favorite subject? Because I
know you you cover a lot of interesting stuff on
your podcast. It seems like you're like a nature reality
type guy. Like, is that your favorite thing to cover?
What would you say, here's a UFOs. What's your favorite,
like wu subject to cover?
Speaker 1: What you said, nature reality type guy? What does that mean?
Speaker 4: Means that, like you you like to like find out
what the real nature reality is simulation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it. The stuff that I'm increasingly interested
in is kind of the occult angle to all the stuff, right,
like secret societies, people with psychic gifts and how that
relates to the control system, like what what is controlling
us in the background, and if anything right, it could
just be us controlling ourselves and why right? That part
uh interests me a great.
Speaker 2: Deal, I think, can I tell you something.
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're gonna feeling with this, because
I know you're a little bit skeptical, but you're pretty
open minded, so you know, like I'm not judging you
or anything. I'm just I just like I don't okay. So,
like I've felt at times like I'm a targeted individual,
and I'm sure you've heard that tone before, but like
it's not because I have a podcast, Like if I
was targeted, I tell people I was targeted way before
I had a podcast.
Speaker 2: And it seems like like I almost wanted to write.
Speaker 4: A book called Targeted by the Matrix because it seems
like there's an element to this reality that can like
interfere in your life. Like for example, like if I
if I was to tell you, like, hey, Sean, I
have three great guests tomorrow there this person, this person,
this person, and I announce it tomorrow, like two out of.
Speaker 2: Three of those will cancel.
Speaker 4: For this is just my luck or this is what
seems to happen, or like you know, like always crazy
shit happen, like if I feel like if I think
I'm coming into some money or something, something will happen
where it gets delayed, or it's all computer technical issues,
car issues, like.
Speaker 2: It's always and I'm not being negative.
Speaker 4: I try to have a positive outlook on life, but
like when this such keeps happening, it's like hard to like,
you know, so I'm not identifying as a target individual,
but I am saying some weird shit happens to me
that I can't really explain, and I don't. It makes
me think that there's a component of this reality, whether
it's the archons or something that interferes with our life.
And and to go a step deeper on that, I
can tell you I've actually had an entity attachment. I
don't know if I told you about this last time,
Like now, I've never seen I'll just be I've never
seen a demon or a ghost, Sean, I'll be honest
with you, I've never But what it is is it
it feels like it's like an energy that will attach
to like the back of my head head or the
side of my ear and knock my deliverum off or
it'll nest or attached to my back.
Speaker 2: It's like an energy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like, and it's like, so me doing this, I've had
to learn how to move energy like which you know,
I can send energy to people. Now I can move energy.
I don't you know, I don't know how much you
believe in that, but I'm I'm really open to it,
you know. So I know that I just hit you
with a lot of weird stuff, but like whatever you
think of all.
Speaker 1: That, you know. Yeah, So two things.
Speaker 5: So if reality, let's say it's like magic and psychic
stuff is real, right, part of reality is like it's
consensus based.
Speaker 1: That's why government has narratives that it wants you to follow.
That's why I wants you to get locked into like
a nine to five, so you're not really thinking about
other things. But if reality is a matrix, and that
matrix is probabilistic, and you can nudge probabilities in your
direction by focusing your intentions on certain outcomes, one of
the things you should never do unless you know that
person is on your side and it can help amplify
those intentions is announced to the world that you're going
to do something before you do it, because if you
do that, people who are not in your corner are
gonna secretly hope that you don't get those things, and
you know they have a vote on reality too. If
nobody else knows about it but you, then only your
probability nudge is you know, enters into the equation. I
don't know that's how it works, but I have a
sense that that's how it works. So what I recommend
for that is just try a small experiment, right, like,
try to focus on some objective and don't tell anybody,
and then just see if it happens. And then if
it happens to cly then moved to the next thing.
In terms of kind of the attachment stuff, that stuff's real,
like it it's it's a thing I would. I mean, which,
what religious tradition did you grow up in?
Speaker 4: I grew up as a Orthodox Christian, like I'm I'm I'm.
My dad was Lebanese American, like I told he was,
you know, he was in Vietnam. But I mean, like
my mom's Greek and Italian, so she was Roman Catholic.
So I was like I was kind of raised like
Orthodox Christian, you know, which is basically similar to Catholic.
Speaker 2: But like right now, I would just say I'm spiritual.
I don't I don't subscribe to any religious you.
Speaker 4: Know, but I believe in God, and I believe in
Jesus and I believe in like the ascended Masters and
stuff like that. I'm just like, I'm not new age,
but I'm just spiritual to where like you know, but
I just don't want to tie myself to any religious affiliation,
you know, which I don't know.
Speaker 1: If that's happening. I would just go to like a
priest and just ask for a blessing and see what happens. Right, Yeah,
just try a number of things and then just look up.
You know, you can use AI too, like what are
the things I need to do to get rid of
an attachment? And then just experiment with with some things
and see if it actually works? Right? Who else? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well dude, we went an hour in twenty three minutes.
This is an amazing interview. I had so much fun
talking to you. I thought this conversation flowed really well
and it went really well.
Speaker 2: So thank you so much. I thought this was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for inviting me. It's always a pleasure man.
Speaker 2: Thanks Ron, Yeah, absolutely yeah. And do you want to
tell people how they can follow you and anything you
want to promote? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so missing time for twenty thank you. Miss he
shows up on my show too, so thank you for
posting my YouTube channel. So definitely show up to Through
Glass Darkly with Sean on YouTube. Please subscribe. I really
really appreciate that. And then you can also find me.
I have a website Seanpatrickhayslet dot com where you can
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I relatively it's relatively new. You can find me on Twitter.
I have two separate accounts I have well there's one
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to get one that made any sense. And then you
can also find Sean P. Hazlet on Twitter. I'm sure
there's other ways.
Speaker 4: Jason Jason wanted me to tell you you said good
job on Jolian Dorian. I wanted to second that because
we were kind of rooting for you, dude, like you know, like, yeah,
I feel like you're, like, you know, like one of
us are you know, you're you're a con, You're you're
not a big content creator like a lot of these people.
Speaker 2: So like for you to get on that show was
amazing and you really did. You did a stellar job.
Speaker 1: You know how. I appreciate that. You know how that happened,
Like I'm not responsible for that, that's all. Kurt Metzker. Wow.
If you know who Kurt Metzker is, Like.
Speaker 4: Like this dude that comes on my show, Rock Gestalto,
he's one of my he follows you, he's one of
my best friends. Like in podcasting. He does Kurt Metzker's
show too. He wanted to introduce me to Kurt, but
like it never happened or whatever. And like Kurt Metzker
also got Rock Gestalto on Sam Tripley's show too.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's like, man like me afterwards, you know, I
don't know if you know this, I lost my first
YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me that story and I'm sorry for you.
I'm sorry to your audience for having to hear this again.
But I like what happened because I know you had
a big channel, a big.
Speaker 4: Job, but like the size of my channel is like
right now, it was like twenty two thousand followers, and like, yeah,
it was weird, dude. Like they just kept hitting me
with like violations after violation, and then like one day,
I remember it was January of twenty twenty five. I
was talking to my friend Jenna on the phone. We
were FaceTime talking, and I got an email from YouTube
and it said your channel has been removed and it
will not be put back up, and like my heart
went into my stomach. And I remember this was January
twenty twenty five. It was like whenter my heart went
into my stomach and I was like, I just said
to her. I looked at her, I said, I just
lost my YouTube channel. All that work, five years worth
of work just lost. And she was like, holy shit, And.
Speaker 2: You know, good thing.
Speaker 4: At that point, I had been building on Rumble, like
you know, I have the new channel. Now I have
eight thousand followers on YouTube, and then I have about
six thousand on Rumble and you know, Rumble put me
in the creator program.
Speaker 2: So that's good. But I mean, like, you know, I
always thank Rumble.
Speaker 4: I'm like, look, guys, like I'm so happy to be
a part of Rumble because like when YouTube kind of
fucking gave me the ass, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Rumble was there for me, you know.
Speaker 4: And then I have an audio podcast too, so I'm
on like Spotify and podcasts and all that stuff too.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like, you know, it was it was
a nightmare to deal with it.
Speaker 4: And I was on Twitter like because I guess, like
you can't get any help from the YouTube you know,
customer service.
Speaker 2: You have to you know, email the team or message
the team on Twitter.
Speaker 4: So I'm having these long battle back and forth with
YouTube on Twitter and they're just like they keep coming
up with excuse after excuse after excuses to why they
took my channel down. So I was like, you know what,
fuck it, Like, I'm just going to start a new one.
I started a new one and we're back up to
eight thousand followers. But you know it's started all year
old videos on file and stuff like that. What was
weird was I sinked a lot of them to Odyssey,
So like, I I think my Odyssey channel, like not
a lot of people follow me on Odyssey, but I mean,
like I think that goes back to like twenty twenty
three or twenty twenty two. And I think my rumble
goes back to twenty twenty three or twenty twenty two.
And then I have a bunch of zoom files. I
have zoom files to go back to twenty twenty, but
some of them are deleted now, which is weird, Like say,
when I go into some of them, I don't know
if like time deletes them out or what like, because
like some of them are just gone. But like I've
been doing this since twenty nineteen, you know, I started
in twenty nineteen, and uh, I think yeah, And I
think my audio podcast goes back.
Speaker 2: To like twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: So the years I back up, I back up everything,
like in multiple multiple ways. I was gonna do it
in the cloud, but like the way we're going, we'll
get like some email someday, you know, Google deleted all
of your you know files because there was one one
you know thing that ARII interpreted incorrectly. What did they
tell you the reason was though, like what were.
Speaker 2: Many there were?
Speaker 4: Like there was it was like it was like it
was like like misinformation content, you know. Like then they
said it was something about my affiliates, and I was like,
you know, like that my there was nothing wrong with
my affiliates. So I had to stop advertising the affiliates.
So because one was for like Aminita mushrooms and one
was for like Kretom, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like and I was like, you know, like the company
I used for the creative is all natural.
Speaker 4: They're out, like they're not any of that bad shit's
going around or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So like that none of that made sense, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4: So like I was like this, this does not make sense,
but I guess they have stringent policies on that stuff.
And like in if YouTube seasons, I'm not advertising that
now YouTube. I'm just telling what happened. And then one
of the one of the policies was for a toothpaste.
Like I'm not even gonna say what kind of toothpaste
it was. It was a non fluoride toothpaste that had.
Speaker 2: Something in it.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, you can probably guess what it was. Like,
you know, there's gold and Silver. You know, it was
like the you know, and like they took a video
down for that. They just they hit me so many
different ways.
Speaker 2: It was crazy. It was like dealing with like it was.
Speaker 4: It was like it was it was a nightmare to
deal with, honestly, because like, you know, like I put
my heart and soul into that channel, you know what
I mean, Like and like it's just I mean, and
what's weird is like a lot of my colleagues, like
Christmas Forbidden Knowledge News got his channel back, Journey to
Truth Podcasts got there pannel back, Laura Eisenhower got her
channel back. I did not get my channel back, you know,
and they all had their channels taken away too, But
I didn't get mine. I didn't get my you know,
So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I have a kind of I have
all my episodes on Spotify as well. I don't have
all the videos, but I have all the all the
episodes up there too, just as a just in case.
And I make almost equal money there than I do
on YouTube, which is odd.
Speaker 2: But yeah, do you use do you use spreaker? I
use spreaker for my audio. I like spreaker a lot.
Speaker 1: No, I just I just route through Spotify and Spotify. Okay, yeah,
it's both video and audio, so I just have it.
Speaker 2: We check out Spreaker.
Speaker 4: I'll just give you a tip, Like if you go
through Spreaker, like that's who I use there, there will
be your main hub. But then from you might already
know this, but from Spreaker, you can actually distribute to Spotify,
Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and then like five other audio places,
So it really increase your reach as far as like
you'll still be on Spotify, but you can be on
all those other places too, and it doesn't do anything
you just it's just like the the the the the
person the company that will hold your RSS feed will
be Spreaker, you know what I mean. But like with
that rss P you can then distribute it out to
like eight other places, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Spotify is similar. I don't know if it's
it might it might like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I didn't I'm sorry, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: That's that's I agree. That's still not enough, Like there
should be other places that I do have a Rumble channel,
but it stopped remember and YouTube like like it used
to be. You could automatically upload and then YouTube turn
that off. Yeah about Rumble, And then I just don't
make nearly enough money on Rumble to like take the
care to upload every episode there. It's just not worth
my time.
Speaker 4: And so well, I hope we didn't say anything that
gets this episode taken down. I'm going to leave it
up on YouTube, but I'm not going to monetize it.
I'm not going to put ads on it because, like
I think that that putting ads on it triggers it sometimes.
Speaker 2: So like we touched on a lot of sensitive stuff.
I don't think I can monetize this, but I'll leave
it up on YouTube.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I think we probably said a little
bit too much of the medical stuff we didn't say.
We didn't say that much on Israel. I don't think
it's Yeah, yeah, well this was awesome.
Speaker 2: Thanks man.
Speaker 4: I'd love to have you back anytime. And yeah, did
you have any final words before we finish up?
Speaker 1: Just, you know, make sure that you come to these
conclusions on your own. Don't listen to you know, or
don't blindly follow institutions. Sometimes they'll tell you the truth,
but a lot of the times the way that they
present information always has an agenda, so just you know,
be discerning about what you do and you're gonna everybody's
kind of on their own in terms of figuring out
what the nature of reality is. It's only everybody's on
their own path. So thank you again, Rob.
Speaker 2: You keep them much all right, Have a good day, Sean,
thank you. Take care.