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Speaker 1: God, everyone in the audience just missed us last week

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when we weren't here. Actually I wasn't even here the

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week before because I was stuck in the office. So

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I'm sure everybody has just been crying. Where is Red Hawk?

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I want him to return? Where is Pete? I want

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him back? Uh, you know, there's been great gnashing of teeth.

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They've been waiting for us to return. So but we

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are back from other episode of Pony Express Radio, joined

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tonight by mister pee Quinonez.

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Speaker 2: How are you, Pete?

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Speaker 3: You know we did a live stream last week.

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It did not happen. I don't know what you're talking about.

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All we did was stream some Warhammer. That's all we did.

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People could become members of the OGC channel to watch

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our various Warhammer streams if you guys are so inclined.

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We have a lot of fun over there. But no

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other than that, there was no streaming that occurred, of

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course not. And joining us tonight is our good friend

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mister Thomas Triple seven.

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Speaker 2: How are you, Thomas.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well. Thanks for inviting me.

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of your historical book needs. All right, gentlemen, Well, as mentioned,

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it was Saint Patrick's Day this week, but we're here

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to talk about the Irish influence in America from the

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I wanted to contribute to

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this conversation is the Irish have always been trotted out

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as to be like for some reason. You know, whenever

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this is always something that was brammed on our routes

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all the time about when they were trying to shove

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all the diversity nonsense in US and throughout the twenty tens.

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other groups, you know, whether it's blacks, browns, what have

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you were treated just like the Irish, because when the

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you white people, YadA, YadA, YadA. You know, it always

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take us away here. You know about the first waves

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of Irish immigration into the United States, and you know

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how how were they actually treated when they first arrived

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in earnest and these Cold War social engineering imperatives became

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ethnic group to say, oh see, you know, these these

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people aren't you know, black or brown, but they were

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similarly oppressed by the same mechanisms. So it's all those things.

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admittedly the Protestant side confessionally and culturally. And Chicago still

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deal here, and we still get Irish immigration. You run

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what Chicago is sort of an unusual place in various regards.

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But the first slaves in America were white. I'm not

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talking about inventured servants, I mean slaves. Thomas Salagan into this,

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so did of all people, Kim God. It was kind

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of a silly guy, but he used to be a

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bit more serious. And one of the things that put

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the book White Cargo on the Map, which is a

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really great book, was Jim God cited it in one

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of his polemical texts that sold reasonably well, and quite literally,

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the first slaves who set foot in American soil were

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a couple hundred white children, and uh, it's believed they

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problematic classes. You know, this was uh after the first

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poor laws were passed, to believe, and you know, a

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lot of a lot, a lot of a lot of children,

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to be constitutional in corrigibles, you know, prostitutes, the people

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who were consistently homeless or without gainful employment. They'd find

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themselves in the colonies. And some people were just swept

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you know, who obviously needed to do backbreaking labor and

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they didn't have anybody to advocate for them, so they

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were simply hide. But most of those people were ethnically Irish, Okay,

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the seventeenth century until the time the practice basically ceased,

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outsize percentage of ethnically Irish people among these white slaves, okay,

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charter company contracts from the Crown. I'm talking about the

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yeomanry that built you know, the South specifically, but also

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these people were Ulster Scott's whose conceptual horizon derived from

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the experience of the Ulster plantation, which, in terms of

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its brutality was not unlike the experienced people had in

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the frontier, you know, contra the Cheyenne. It was incredibly brutal.

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in like fortresses almost because the understanding was that the

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indigenous element is going to assault and try to murder everybody,

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and to be fair, not without cause. The Scottish settler

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conquerors were not particularly kind to these people, you know,

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so sort of baked in to the early American experience

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was a hostility across the sectarian divide.

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Speaker 4: And then you add to.

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Speaker 5: That the Anglo Saxon mythology of America. We talked about

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this a few weeks ago in Peace Pod. You know,

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this mythology of America, and you find this specifically stated,

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explicitly stated in the Federalist papers, particularly John Jay and

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Hamilton emphasized this, you know, the myth being or the

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mythology being, we're an angle Saxon people, We're a Germanic race.

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We were subjugated by this corrupt monarchy that was essentially

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Latin and culture and race, and they imposed this unnatural

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Roman order on us. So we're reclaiming our birthright as

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it existed. When you know, Britain was an angle Saxon land,

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and you know, we're the chosen people to realize that destiny.

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Providence's great bounty, you know. And I don't need to

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point out the concrete particulars for people to understand that

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that's at base a profoundly anti Catholic narrative.

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Speaker 4: That's part of the early American identity is being anti Catholic,

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Speaker 5: And that's why something that's failiaresting to me. And it

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shows the conceptual literacy of the left. You know, the

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Klan at its peak. I'm talking the nineteen twenties Klan,

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the post birth of a nation clan. They were a

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sectarian organization. Like don't get me wrong, I mean, they

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believe the races should live separately, and they didn't believe

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in miscegenation obviously, but this idea that they were obsessed

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with keeping blacks in line or something that wasn't what

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they were into. They were a sectarian organization. First, last,

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and always, you know, America must remain a Protestant land

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and more specifically a dissenter Protestant culture, you know. And interestingly,

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and again this cuts the historical literacy of the left.

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Trump's father was arrested for a fray sometime in the

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nineteen thirties. And basically what had happened is Trump's dad

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Speaker 4: Was this.

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Speaker 5: Protestant Dutch type who was a builder and a landlord

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in a New York city and he's getting leaned on

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by a bunch of Irish police who were doing muscle

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work for you know, Irish labor concerns. So old man

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you know, and presumably the right palms are greased. And

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the case went away with a you know, comparatively minor

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citation for a fray. But it shows you on the

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left has no idea the history of this country, even

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you know, even stuff that's almost with in living memory.

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you know. But they just they they don't understand the

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actual conflict uh diets in America between populations, you know,

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and uh but that but that wasn't odd, you know,

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Speaker 4: Trump's father was in apparently the sectarianism. You know, my.

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Speaker 5: Uh my, my, my mom, who was born.

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Speaker 4: Immediately after War two. She wasn't a bigot.

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Speaker 5: She'd be she'd be nice to all kinds of people,

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but I mean she casually say unflattering things about Catholics.

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it was a hell of a lot more significant than

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some nobody like Obama being elected. For example, there was

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no context to Obama being elected an Irish Catholic like Kennedy,

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from the East Coast with deep roots and in you know,

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not just the not not just the the East Coast establishment,

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but also the you know, with his hands in Boston

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machine politics and stuff. You know that that that that

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to create the you know, oh, in America up until

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you know, no n words or Irish wolcome on this premises.

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It becomes ridiculous, It becomes this this apocryphal victim story,

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Speaker 4: The insular Celts are are.

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Speaker 5: That there's something of a standard bearer of the Arian race.

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I think, okay, that they're just incredible people. So I'm

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not saying mean things about them, but they do as

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something of an inferiority complex, I think, and maybe that's changing.

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the troubles are raging in Northern Ireland, you disembark at

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Union Station and there'd be college aged guys and girls.

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It's trying to hand you literature, you know, saying you know,

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the British or genociding Ireland, you know, and Brits out

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of Ireland. And this was something people are very passionate about,

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you know, and being kind of like a Redneckish prod

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with very angle phoning parents. That made an impression on me,

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you know, maybe more than a one of other kids.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting, go.

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Speaker 1: Ahead, Yeah, it's it's interesting on that because at least

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when I was growing up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like but again like with this.

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Speaker 1: You know, diversity nonsense, We're growing up and everything. But

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it always seemed like the h the only basically white

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group you were allowed to say like, oh, I've got

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some ancestry part of this. Like everybody always wanted to

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be saying like, oh, I have a little bit of

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Irish in me, or some Irish ancestry in me or

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something like that.

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Speaker 2: It was like the same thing as well.

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Speaker 1: Everyone was trying to get like claim that they were

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part of Native American or something.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got like some engine blooded me.

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Speaker 1: But nobody was ever clamoring to say, oh, like I've

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got French in me, or I've got some English or

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you know, something like that. Was always oh, like, well,

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I'm a little bit Irish. And maybe that is true, man,

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especially if you're you know, Ellis Island Colish family come

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from like New York or something like that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's interesting that I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, I posted my I posted my twenty three and

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me up, and it's interesting because.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually like.

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Speaker 5: Overwhelmingly like Anglo Irish, and uh, I've also got you know,

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I'm basically uh, I'm I'm a Huguenot. Uh I'm Huguenot Ulster,

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Irish and German, and uh, the my German granny was

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of the aust Frus kind. So people, uh, people will

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claim I'm Polish, or They'll claim that I'm a or

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they'll claim that I'm like a petty and word, which

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is funny. Uh even know it's nature Thomas.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Kennedy, Yeah, and his connections on the East Coast.

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I would assume he had some pretty good connections back

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in the Aisles, considering Joe was, you know, ambassador to

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Great Britain.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, tremendously and even you know, uh, that old

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show it's I mean, it's it's it's a pretty good show,

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but I mean it's it's hokey gangster Tommy gun stuff.

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But uh, you know Borderwak Empire. I'm going somewhere with this.

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You ever watched Bordwak Empire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, show.

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Speaker 4: Knuckie Thompson.

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Speaker 5: Despite his uh his very Protestant name in the show,

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he's he's a Irish American guy. And he gets hold

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of a bunch of Thompson s m g's that were

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slated for the Western Front. But of course, you know,

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the war ended, so he gets hold of against Simon

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of him, and he gets somebody to the td I

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r A because that's something he you know, he's he's

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making sure there's a of uh a line of of

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weapons and and and money going over there. And that

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was that was a real thing. The reason why, the

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reason why the Provos, the Provos had armalites. Basically this

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was the US already got That's why, ironically, you know,

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and a lot of loyalist murals. Uh it's massive gunmen

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with collashnic coughs, and the Provos always holding armalites. You

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think it would be the opposite, but it's because the

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on the loyalist side they always they always had trouble

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getting getting weapons, you know. So it was sort of

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this hodgepodge of of of different platforms. But the Provos

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had they had armalites in the sixties, you know, and

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that's because they had a lot of a lot of

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people here pulling for them, and you know a lot

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of those people had money, you know, so I undoubtedly, Uh,

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that's a toll other story like Roosevelt. Roosevelt wanted to

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both antagonize the British and antagonize Joe Kennedy. That's why

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he posted him to the UK, and as I I

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think I mentioned in a World War Two series, Joe

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Kennedy was convinced Church I might try to murder him

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owing to the fact that, you know, Kennedy was solidly

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a solid opponent of the New Dealers and he was

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absolutely opposed to making more on Germany, as was the

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Irish Republic. People conveniently forget that, you know.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 3: Uh but yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't think

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the Jews have forgotten that.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, but I'm talking about like normy h historians

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and stuff like they got you know, No, of course not.

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There's this tremendous enmity there in animosity. I mean, that's

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one of the reason why Ireland has been targeted for destruction

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in very discreet ways as his the Russian Federation in

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Daryl Islam. You know, there's there's a there's a particular

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animus there above and beyond the the socializering regime that is,

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you know, there's intended to be imposed on on this

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entire planet. But uh, yeah, I I'm sure. I'm sure

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Joe Kennedy and and as well as uh JFK and

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his brothers had substantial context in the Old Country that

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that without doubt.

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Speaker 3: You know what other TV shows tried to shoehorn in.

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They actually tried to shoehorn in a Northern Ireland like

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Arc of Bunch episodes was Sons of Anarchy.

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Speaker 5: That shoe is so unbelievably stupid, like it okay, it's like,

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I mean, for people haven't seen this show, I thought

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it was a satire, Like I literally did.

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Speaker 4: It's about this.

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Speaker 5: It's about this anti racist liberal biker gang that gets

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mad about racism and they name their gang after a

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Jewish feminist because they sit around eating Emma Goldman and

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they're ops. Are guys who try and get people into racism.

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It's like imagine like imagine some like mentally defective Walmart

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Ormy who like thinks he's Billy badass, but he also

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spends all day watching Rachel Madow Like this is like

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this is like the infantile fantasy he like masturbates over.

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It's like PC principle stuff, but of the most infantile variety,

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Like you can't make this up. And there's all these uh,

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there's all these white and words. It's a group truth

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in the rooky It's like bro anti racist bikers really

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man really, so it figures. It figures, Uh, it figures

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some like small hit writer would be like.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and then and then and then this northern Aland

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and then the Bakers decide that they gotta feed children

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in Africa. Like I like anybody if I ever, I mean,

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I'm pretty discriminating in the company I keep and I

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don't hang out with them cool people. But uh, if

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I'm forced into a situation, I guess some at some

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party or something, or you know, somebody's wife's birthday, and

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some idiots sitle who's titled up to My Table says

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he watches that show. I like refuse to speak to him.

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You know, you might as well say that like you

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suck a dick or something like. It's like, how do

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you possibly watch that garbage?

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Speaker 4: But it Uh.

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Speaker 5: The other thing worse is people like the Sopranos and

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like that that that show is so fucking stupid. It's

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just like embarrassing, and it I don't know, I mean,

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I you know, like I said, I want people think

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I'm this big snob who it's not only sit around

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watching you know, The Prisoner or the Original Welfer, just

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cock Presents or something I watch. I watched some jump

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food for the brain type shows too, you know, like

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I said, I like Uh, I like Bortwalk.

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Speaker 4: Empire, and you know, I what was it?

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Speaker 5: I uh, you know, I mean, I'm not I'm not

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saying that people shouldn't watch silly stuff too, but if

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you if you watch that kind of like if I

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just I find something particularly offensive.

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Speaker 4: And and and and.

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Speaker 5: Gay about this like PC principal kind of stuff, especially

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when it's coded for like really really really stupid people,

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I just do it. I don't know, it's it's cringey, man,

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It's it's like it's it's inducent or something like laughing

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at like uh.

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Speaker 3: Bardwalk Empire. Boardwalk Empire was also pretty good for showing

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the Jewish connection to uh Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But it showed the tension to between them and the

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black folks, and I liked. I like the subplot or

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the narrative arc or the guy uh played by Michael

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Pitt who he's a he's this disturbed World War One

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vet and he carries uh, he carries around his Mark

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seven trench knife, which is a ruthless knife that's the

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coolest comment knife of all time. And it's clear uh

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there's only a very brief scene where they show with

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experiences in the trenches, and he clicks up with this guy.

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He's rappy as this sniper who got shot in the face,

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so he's horribly disfigured, and he's got just this metal plate.

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He looks almost like a fan of the opera, and

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so obvious nod to that, and the lawn chainey Fan

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of the Opera is one of my very favorite movies.

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But that that that's not Hollywood. If you stuff, they

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quite literally give you a tin mask if you were

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maimed like that, because obviously plastic surgery didn't really exist.

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And you know, in lieu of terrifying children are making

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people sick, you you know, you on a mask. And

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I've got sort of a I'm a sort of I've

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got a fascination for World War One and there's something

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just incredibly horrific about it but also just fascinating. And

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that's when that's when modern warfare truly arrived in my opinion.

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I mean, arguably it was the crime year the war

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be pin in the States. No, World War One was

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a game changer across the entire spectrum. But I that

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era too, I mean obviously, my my favorite decade is

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nineteen fifties that you go out saying, but I think

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the nineteen teams, the nineteen twenties are sort of a

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are just sort of cool, you know, the optics and

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everything like that. And I when I was stuck at

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the airport, you know, that's an opportunity for one's mind

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to wander, and you kind of played a great many

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things prosaic and profound. But I harve of this fascination

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for airship travel, especially because I came across years ago.

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There was this GeoCities site that documented one of these,

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like all the all the literature, promotion of literature and

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everything else, like magazine spreads of the flight company or

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the carrier that the Hinden Bird was part of, and

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it's just amazing. And there was this luxurious dining room

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with obviously a picture of the furor on the wall,

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and you know, it's like something out of It's like

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something out of science fantasy or something, you know, just

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like floating on this airship. It's almost like an alternative future,

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you know or something. So now was when when I

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was straying at the airport, I was like, man, I

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wish I could flow on an airship and not be

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dealing with this airport nonsense.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we air travel just used to be

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so much more interesting than it is today.

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Speaker 5: I was a little kid, it was cool and you

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get they actually had good food. You could They did

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give you, like an actual meal, and they'd give you

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one or two options. They give you these egel he

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rosied peanuts. They were a staple so much that cloaqually

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people call them airline peanuts and they yeah, they'd make

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sure your drinks for fresh and stuff. And it was actually,

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like I remember, flying always kind of made me uncomfortable,

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even when I was a kid, but it was mitigated

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by the fact that it was it was cool. And

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now it's saything but cool. But I forgive the forgive

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the random tangent about airships, but I there's something just

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fascinating about that whole era. I mean even more so so.

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I guess if you were deposited in Chicago or Manhattan

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in nineteen twenty nine, it would seem like you were

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on some alien civilization, and way more than if you

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found yourself in a different epoch. I think, because the

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trajectory of technology and everything else, would it just seems

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so different and so much of that technology, you know,

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being a dead end, and new modalities were configured that

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replaced them.

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Speaker 1: But you can understand you can understand why when you

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look at media of the time, like old like Loony

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Tunes cartoons or something where they try to predict what

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the future is going to look like, and it's just

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not really remotely close to how it actually turned out.

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It's like they're thinking, all what the future would be.

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Speaker 5: No, it's fascinating. It's also well, that's why the Spruce Goose.

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I guess you could say that some of these massive

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like some of these massive aircraft like the seafied Galaxy

472
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,720
were in part like the DNA of this Bruce Goose

473
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,599
was in part in them. But it's the way Howard

474
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,559
Hughes and he had a better sense than a lot

475
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:10,960
of these a lot of these and great innovators did.

476
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,960
But he believed that essentially maritime commerce and naval warfare

477
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:19,640
was just going to disappear because everything was gonna be

478
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,359
take to the sky, you know. And his one of

479
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,240
his later drawings was of this massive like a basically

480
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:32,319
a flying aircraft carrier, some utoly massive aircraft and there

481
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:37,920
were a dozen like Air Superiority fighters that would disembark

482
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,160
from these platforms on its wings and uh, you know

483
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,720
obviously had some sort of nuclear cape built, like nuclear

484
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:46,920
tannons on it and stuff. I mean, it's something something

485
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,000
like insane kid would come up with. But it's like, okay,

486
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,559
like to your point, within that paradigm, it's like, yeah,

487
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,559
that makes sense. People thinking like, oh, no, the ocean

488
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:56,799
is going to be in the sky now, and you

489
00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:01,400
know it's yeah, it's really it's really interesting. But yeah,

490
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,640
I forgive me. We were supposed to be talking with

491
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,759
the Irish Conversation exactly.

492
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we kind of alluded to this topic

493
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,799
a little bit earlier in the discussion, but you hear

494
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,759
this term get thrown around quite a bit even to

495
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:18,359
this day about the various demographics that came to make

496
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,480
up America and specifically the South.

497
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: Thomas, can you explain to us.

498
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:26,559
Speaker 1: The origins of the Scots Irish?

499
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:32,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, as I said, the Northern Ireland has a

500
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,480
very complicated history and every deep heritage. You know, the

501
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:44,839
Ulster cycle is something I highly recommend Anglophone people, you know,

502
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,400
along with our Thurian lore and the King James Bible,

503
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,839
that's sort of the cultural canon. So there's a significance

504
00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:01,759
in Northern Ireland beyond the sectarian and some of the

505
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:03,599
more tragic aspects of its history.

506
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: You know, there's.

507
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:10,519
Speaker 5: A a lot of the route, if you want to

508
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:15,319
think of it as a lot of the founding populations

509
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:21,119
of uh Ireland and and and the British isles have

510
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,000
at least partial origins there. But we're talking about the

511
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,519
Scots Irish or the Ulster Scotts.

512
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:31,799
Speaker 4: There was always.

513
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:39,279
Speaker 5: Ireland Ireland es sense. He proved to be unconquerable, okay,

514
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:44,559
owing to a number of reasons, including the fact that

515
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,839
this hostile island quite literally on Britain's flank, that was

516
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,480
loyal to Rome. We represented an existential threat, you know,

517
00:33:54,559 --> 00:34:05,400
particularly in uh Eras when seapower was everything. You know,

518
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,079
there were there, it was it was imperative to dominated.

519
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:14,480
And also there's this very little arable land in Britain.

520
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:18,719
I mean, Britain's a rocky island. You know, it's the

521
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,280
same it's the same quagmire you know that the Japanese

522
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,760
of always had to endure. I mean, obviously Britain's not

523
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,960
volcanic like the Japanese home islands are. But you know, uh,

524
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:41,559
the solution, as it were, to uh the problem that

525
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:48,679
the English crown had was to deploy this colonizer Yalomen

526
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,079
population and the form of the Scots to the Ulster

527
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,360
what was to become the Ulcer Plantation. And despite what

528
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,599
you see in movies like Brave Hearts, the Scots and

529
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:05,559
the l Wish, their relationship is complicated. I think of

530
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,239
it in some ways it's almost the relationship of the

531
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,159
of the English to the old the people who became

532
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:14,000
the Ulcer Scotts. It's almost like that between the Japanese

533
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,159
and the Koreans. It's name pergant analogy. But you know,

534
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:29,079
these uh, this this settler population was primarily Scottish dissenter

535
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:37,559
Protestants who were always sort of the shock element of

536
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,599
what became the British Empire later on.

537
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 4: They were a warrior, ye, women.

538
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:53,159
Speaker 5: Re re cast and uh, you know, there also were some

539
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:59,760
ethnically English people who settled the Ulcer plantation as well,

540
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:06,840
but the majority were ethnically, culturally and confessionally Scottish. And

541
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:17,280
this touched off a century's long conflict paradigm.

542
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:18,679
Speaker 4: And the.

543
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 5: But it's interesting, okay because there's it seems an odd uh,

544
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,360
it seems it seems an odd example when it seems

545
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:42,840
highly discreete and anecdotal. But there's there's something significant here.

546
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:49,159
The only loyalist paramilitary group that was never compromised by

547
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:54,480
Special Branch was Red Red Hand Commando. Red Hand Commando

548
00:36:54,599 --> 00:37:00,519
would tag their murals in Gallic. They are the only

549
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:07,159
loyalist who did that. And there's this brand of esoteric

550
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:15,719
loyalism that emphasizes deep insular, Celtic, racial and ethnic roots,

551
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:18,559
which isn't.

552
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,639
Speaker 4: I mean, which isn't wrong? You know, I mean.

553
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,159
Speaker 5: Scottish people, I mean the Lowland Scots are descended from Picts,

554
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:36,199
apart from Vikings and Danes and in part from you know,

555
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Cels So there's a complicated relationship that the Ulster Scotts

556
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,920
have to Ireland. And also, you know, there's a reason

557
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,760
why I talk about the sort of dissenter prad diaspora,

558
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,360
like colloquially the woodpile. By the way, to some idiot

559
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,280
the other days in the comments section that I'm an

560
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,239
for using the term peckerwood because that's a prison term

561
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,360
for the nineteen eighties. No, it's not it literally, isn't

562
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,559
it dates to the well before the Wark in the States,

563
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,920
look it up. But the aside from that, I talked

564
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,599
about the woodpile of the ass buh Oh to a

565
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:27,119
combination of dissenters being pogrammed, you know, in France, in

566
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:34,440
the Benlux countries, you know, else around the continent, there

567
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:40,199
was a lot of migration of Huguenots, of Dutch, of Swiss,

568
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:46,119
of Germans. Two places like South Africa, two places like Ulster.

569
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,519
You know where they'd be welcomed. But you know, not

570
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:52,320
just because they were brothers and sisters in the in

571
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,800
the faith, who you know, we're welcome in the congregation.

572
00:38:56,559 --> 00:39:00,320
But these populations needed people who could fight and weren't

573
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,840
afraid of death and weren't afraid of violence. So there's

574
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:13,920
an interesting ethnic mix within Northern among the Northern Ireland's Protestants,

575
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:20,639
and again the majority are Ulster Scott's or Scottish. They're

576
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:24,199
all wrongly culturally Scottish, I mean, that's the dominant cultural modality.

577
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,000
But the you know, the the novel and the film

578
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,800
Resurrection Man Pete and I actually reviewed it. That's one

579
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,800
of my favorite pieces of conflict literature from the Troubles.

580
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,440
What the secondary antagonist is this uh, he's this loyalist

581
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:49,000
hitter named Darky Larsh and he's a Huguenot and his

582
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,639
street name is Darky because he's a swarthy French guy.

583
00:39:54,639 --> 00:40:00,000
But that wasn't that wasn't uncommon, you know, you'd they're

584
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:06,480
the be loyalists, uh, with clearly anglified German names or

585
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,840
Huguenot names, you know, just like you just like you

586
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,519
find in South Africa, just like you find in Australia,

587
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,199
New Zealand, you know.

588
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: And that's.

589
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 5: That's something, uh, that very very strong. The center and

590
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:30,440
outsider faith, frankly was one of the things that bound

591
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,519
these people together. And that's one of the reasons I

592
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:38,679
think we're an ill understood people, just the centers generally

593
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:40,320
about Ulster Scott's.

594
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,599
Speaker 4: Especially because on the one hand, we're not.

595
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 5: There's we don't we don't act like Mediterranean people do,

596
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:56,679
you know, for example. But we are Clannish, but in

597
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,960
sort of a different way than people think of Greek

598
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,559
people or Italian people, or even or even our Irish

599
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:09,760
Catholic brothers are. You know, it's an odd it's an

600
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:16,440
odd sort of it's an odd kind of individualism and

601
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:23,559
hostility to organizational models of authority that that's co extent

602
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,000
with with a kind of deep clannishness, you know, and

603
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:28,800
people don't really understand that.

604
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: And I think that's uh. I think that's the other

605
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,440
reason too.

606
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:35,159
Speaker 5: Every why where the favorite We're the favorite target of

607
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:37,239
the accusation of being racist. I mean it's like a

608
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,880
meaningless term obviously, but on the one hand, people look

609
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,320
at us as Okay, you're the constant individuals and things,

610
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,599
and you know, you you kind of come at people

611
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:54,159
as they are, but then in very punctuated and conspicuous ways.

612
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:57,079
You know, it's like we put our own first, and

613
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,199
that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. I mean,

614
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:03,119
not that care of them. I think that's part of.

615
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: It, you know, yeah, for sure. What do you think, Pete, I'm.

616
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:20,559
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm my my dealings. I grew up around

617
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,880
around the Irish. I grew up in a an Irish

618
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,159
neighborhood in the Bronx that was transitioning out of Irish.

619
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,039
There used to be a huge clan in the Highbridge

620
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,960
section around Yankee Stadium, and they eventually started moving to

621
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,639
the North Bronx and just being around them they you know,

622
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,320
I mean I you know, my first crush was on

623
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,360
an Irish girl because you know, that's that's what was there.

624
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:58,000
And I just thought they were they were insanely clannish.

625
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,320
I mean they would they were kind of people wh

626
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,159
would fight with each other all day and then if

627
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:05,400
someone just looked at one of them wrong, they all

628
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,079
just jumped in and they all just jumped to.

629
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: UHF fight, don't they Yeah?

630
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,039
Speaker 3: Oh oh fight and drink is uh I mean that

631
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:18,039
is not a that is not a stereotype at all.

632
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,119
But you know, I also, growing up in New York,

633
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,519
I had some dealings with the NYPD. I know that

634
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,960
must be a shocker to most people. So I'm dealing

635
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,719
mostly You're dealing mostly with Irish cops. And yeah, I mean,

636
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,760
I honestly they were. They were some of the best

637
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,800
friends I ever had in my whole life, and most

638
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:41,760
a lot of the guys I went to high school

639
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,719
with I can think of one in particular, I'm not

640
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,760
going to name them who became NYPD and then went

641
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,880
on to even bigger and better things in the NYPD.

642
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:56,800
And they always treated me as you know, like like

643
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,800
a brother. So yeah, I've never had I joke about

644
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,119
the I make as many jokes about the Irish as

645
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:06,679
anybody else does. But you know, I also make jokes

646
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,719
about Pollock's and I make jokes about everybody because I

647
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:13,800
grew up in a time where race jokes were just

648
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:17,119
racial jokes were just what you what you threw at

649
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:19,639
each other and you know, until someone until someone got

650
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:23,760
mad and started throwing hands. But yeah, I mean, growing

651
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,639
up where I did and being around the Irish, you

652
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,760
just couldn't help. But notice what was the uh the

653
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,519
old thing is about like how close Italian, how close

654
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:40,159
Italians think they are that they wish they were as

655
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:44,440
close Irish Italian brothers were as close to each other

656
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,599
as Irish brothers are.

657
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the Irish. It's my birthright to make

658
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,480
fun of the Irish, like you know, so you know,

659
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,119
but I mean, I I know, I mean, like I said,

660
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:01,480
I mean in a real sense, you know, like I

661
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,039
am Irish, just not in the way that you know

662
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,360
we mean, and we're talking about Irish Catholics.

663
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, I you know, it's all.

664
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: But I grew up mostly the ones I grew up

665
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,039
around were Irish Catholics.

666
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 5: Irish America, and that's what we're talking about.

667
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: That's why I book called The Other Irish.

668
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 5: And you know it's about the Ulster Scots in America,

669
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,960
you know, because we're not we're not Irish in that sense,

670
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,119
you know, right, Yeah.

671
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: You're dragged away, dragged away and uh thrown on an

672
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,800
island another another island.

673
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

674
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 5: Well it's uh if you want to, if you want

675
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,559
a food bar or target area and uh, then colonize it.

676
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 4: You drop up the Ulster Scots there.

677
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 5: You know, if they can't they can't, they can't drink

678
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,119
it or fuck it, they'll kill it.

679
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: Well, what was your I know you've had you've had

680
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:07,039
mild criticisms of I'll be unseeed, what is there anything

681
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,960
in there about the Ulster, about Ulster and the Irish

682
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,960
that Uh, yeah, it's.

683
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 5: It's been a few years since I read it. That's

684
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,000
one of those books I refer to periodically. It's been

685
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:19,159
it's been probably three or four years since I've read

686
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:23,119
it in its entirety. I mean, it's it's mostly about

687
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:31,840
it's mostly about Anglophone dialects and cultural habits and conceptual

688
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,760
horizons and how those broke down and then for a

689
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:39,440
for a small country, and and and and a and

690
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:44,280
a small ethnos. There's a lot of diversity in England,

691
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,000
especially consider that the Dane Lock Louis cous swathed through it.

692
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,360
You know, like I told you, like I ended up

693
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,079
in ah when I lived outside in the cost walls

694
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,039
like a week, which was incredible when I was a

695
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:04,000
young man. And then after walking englessly, we came across

696
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:09,360
this ancient village and uh it was a bunch of

697
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:13,960
super tall people who looked like Rutger Howard or something.

698
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,360
It was like a bunch of people looked like our

699
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:21,360
friend Anders, you know. And uh it was And you know, it's.

700
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:25,079
Speaker 4: There's many, there's not one England, you know, it's not

701
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:25,920
even getting yet.

702
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 5: And Albion Seed. That's the main thrust of it. It's

703
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:38,480
very much an ethno cultural and anthropological study of of

704
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:43,400
Anglo America. There has I'm sure that there's some treatment

705
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,119
of the Irish in particularly the the Ulster Scotts, and

706
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:53,480
you know, especially because no I mean basically too the

707
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:55,239
high the high Church.

708
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:57,519
Speaker 4: Cast.

709
00:47:57,559 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 5: Who's going to look at it that way, People like

710
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,079
Robert E. Lee, you know, the Virginia Planner aristocracy. I

711
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:04,000
mean they were.

712
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:06,159
Speaker 4: They were.

713
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 5: Their background was Anglo Latin you know, Stonewall. One of

714
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,960
the reasons he was beloved by the man despite his

715
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,519
severity and the fact that he you know, he was

716
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:21,480
a teetotaler and he he didn't get chummy with anybody,

717
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:23,000
but I mean he was he was one of their

718
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:27,360
tried you know, he was an ulster. Scott Calvin is

719
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,000
through and through. But yeah, I mean, albon Seed is

720
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,440
a great book, but it's not It doesn't deal in

721
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:40,440
any choice substantial capacity with the subject matter we're on.

722
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those ones that I know is quite

723
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,559
beloved in our circles. But ye, and if people want

724
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:50,039
to know more about that, they can listen to the

725
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,880
early episodes of American Spirits for they Delvin too.

726
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: Albeiton Seed, why don't we go over.

727
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: The waves of Irish and in the United States, it's

728
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,079
definitely been one of the more consistent ones throughout the

729
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,280
last several hundred years.

730
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, ever, one of the ones that was.

731
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: Talked about in our circles quite a bit is the

732
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,880
fact that Abraham Lincoln imported a bunch of them to

733
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,480
go a fight and a fight in the Civil War. So,

734
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,280
I mean, Irish have been coming here for a long

735
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:20,840
long time.

736
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I there. And like I said, the I

737
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,880
mean the point of the first the first slaves in

738
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,760
America were white and substantially Irish. I mean, the Irish

739
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:40,159
have been here as long as as long as any

740
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,559
heritage Americans have been. And it's also it's it it

741
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:50,159
becomes confused as well, because at least I'm not trying

742
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:55,480
to be crass or something the old school terms involved

743
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,199
where you talk about the lace curtain Irish and the

744
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,960
shanty Irish, because there really was a class divide, you know,

745
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:05,599
and on the East Coast especially.

746
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,559
Speaker 4: I mean even I.

747
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 5: Haven't hung around Boston since the early two thousands, like

748
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,360
the very early two thousands, and even then, you know,

749
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:21,960
you had a real obvious cast divide that seemed weird

750
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:29,039
for America, you know. But be as it may, there

751
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:34,760
were upper class irishmen and women who blended in essentially

752
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:44,239
seamlessly with the Anglophone elite, and nobody looked askance at them,

753
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,000
or viewed them as inferiors or somehow not white or something.

754
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 4: You know.

755
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,639
Speaker 5: So there is and I mean, to be fair, if

756
00:50:55,679 --> 00:51:01,199
you're talking about European immigration, Western European immigration that remains

757
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:10,000
insular over generations here the genetic distance between aristocrats and

758
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:15,400
commoners is is substantial. They're almost a different ethnic group,

759
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:17,480
you know, which you want to look at that way,

760
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:24,000
and not just a habit and sometimes language, but even

761
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:29,599
in terms of you know, their their their biological and

762
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:34,639
genetic profile. So there wasn't that, there wasn't a single

763
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,400
there wasn't a single Irish America, you know. I guess

764
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:45,079
That's what I'm getting at. And the big UH. It's

765
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:51,840
not a simplification, but it's illustrative, I think, because it

766
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,719
it was such a breach with precedents, and you know,

767
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:03,760
the advent of uh, the advent of high speed travel,

768
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:09,280
you know, by c rail and what was then nascent

769
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,400
air travel. You know, the twentieth century changed everything, and

770
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,360
that's why immigration got essentially cut off completely with the

771
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,519
nineteen twenty four Act, you know, and that endured for

772
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:31,559
forty years. So we're basically talking about and I'm not

773
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,679
I don't know the meaningful inputs on the top of

774
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,639
my head, and immigration patterns aren't one of my primary concentrations.

775
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:53,000
But you had consistent immigration from Ireland really from just

776
00:52:53,159 --> 00:53:03,360
after the Westphalian Peace really until the first decade of

777
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,320
the twentieth century, and then it abruptly stopped for forty

778
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:16,119
years for practical purposes. That's the ninety sixty five Act was.

779
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:25,039
So it's fancying if you read the legislative history and the.

780
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 4: Minutes from a.

781
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:34,519
Speaker 5: Congress in session, where you've got these proponents of the bill,

782
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:45,440
including including the always grotesque Teddy Kennedy, insisting up and

783
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:52,079
down that the then extent you know, racial and ethnic

784
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,079
balance isn't going to be upset because this bill is

785
00:53:55,119 --> 00:54:01,599
nearly tailored to preserve the status quo in terms of

786
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,800
overall percentage is represented of of these different populations. If

787
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,440
it trays a real naivete and a real perfidy depending

788
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,639
on who we're talking about. But that was and I mean,

789
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:18,239
don't get me wrong, Kennedy, Teddy, I mean was a

790
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,920
It was a particularly grotesque character and a and he

791
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:29,119
was as bad as any you know, as any arch

792
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:35,760
race trader today. That uh, parasitically, you know, subsists off

793
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,840
the text players. But uh, the the Cold War, the

794
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:43,719
fix was in. Because of the Cold War, Okay, there

795
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,320
there would have been the racial core of America would

796
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:57,360
have been undermined by way of immigration policy manipulation to

797
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:03,519
realize the intended effect, you know, that was that that

798
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:07,239
something is kind of lost in the trying to discuss

799
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,039
these things with normans. If the reason social media anymore.

800
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,199
But it's just these people they've got these just simpletons ideas,

801
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,239
like as if the nineteen sixty five memoration or formats

802
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,880
they talked about it was like a text build or

803
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,239
something like, oh, there should have been based people who said, no,

804
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,159
we won't vote that way. It's said, you know, you

805
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:29,400
don't get it, like this was going to happen because

806
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,800
what was at stake, what the conflict diet was, was

807
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:46,360
you know, between billions of people living under a hostile

808
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:52,000
competitor system and the free world as it was called.

809
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:52,599
Speaker 3: I mean, and.

810
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 5: And that actually had a context back then, and the

811
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:01,400
conflict diet was to determine the configuration of goal. You

812
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,360
can't win that struggle if you say this system is only.

813
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 4: For white people. I mean, obviously.

814
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:14,079
Speaker 5: That's why the critical juncture was, you know, the the

815
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:21,679
Second World War, because that that's obviously what facilitated the

816
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,760
aforementioned conditions. But this this idea that you know, it's

817
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,840
liberals or like an absence of beast people or something

818
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,719
who just weren't there to stop bad legislation. It's it's

819
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:40,280
incredibly infantile that people think that way. Yeah, it's not

820
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,519
to say that there wasn't a better way to manage

821
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:51,800
that situation. Obviously there was an obviously attempts at forced

822
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:57,480
integration at literal gunpoint. I mean that that's that's preposterous,

823
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:02,400
That that's the that that's that's an absurd iteration of

824
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:07,679
self defeating tyranny. That's that that's as ridiculous as anything

825
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,400
the Soviets did to their population, you know, I mean,

826
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,800
that's what and that's to go to our feel It's

827
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,719
something I try and emphasize the people when they claim

828
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,079
everything sucks, everything is lost that you know. I mean,

829
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:26,320
it's like, do you realize how catastrophically this regime failed.

830
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:31,599
Like we're literally gonna point guns at children and teenagers

831
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:35,559
to force them into proximity to each other. Then when

832
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:37,960
black people don't act like we want them to, we're

833
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,239
gonna lock a million of them in prison. Like that's

834
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,800
some like great big windew I mean this, this could

835
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,679
not have failed more catastrophically.

836
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: You know, it is always a white pill.

837
00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: When are you some of us younger guys have conversations

838
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,920
with people who've been in this thing longer than we have,

839
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,239
and it's really important to be put in that perspective of, oh, just.

840
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: We just live in such interesting.

841
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: Times compared to now, where I can actually talk to

842
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,519
people who have some understanding as to why the situation

843
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:20,599
we're in right now has so many problems and the

844
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:22,920
fact that, like the regime right now is just burning

845
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,880
credibility and an unprecedented scale.

846
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we've got.

847
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: Our problems obviously, but it is important to have that context,

848
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:32,280
and I think a lot of young people miss out

849
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,840
on that if they don't have this kind of communication

850
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,079
between the generations, which was something that was just way

851
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:41,679
more common for anyone else in any period in history,

852
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:45,639
but now, because of you know, just modernity, this communication

853
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,360
between generations is something you actually have to proactively seek out.

854
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,719
Speaker 5: No, no, it's affirmative, and I mean, don't get me wrong,

855
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,280
I think the point of it. I mean I'm blessed that.

856
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,719
I mean, I'm blessed that I'm want to sound like

857
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,400
some sentimental slob, but I'm blessed I have friends like

858
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,079
you guys on the Fellas.

859
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:06,519
Speaker 4: I mean, I really am.

860
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 5: That's incredible, you know what, I feel really loved, and

861
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:16,760
I can't emphasize that. I don't know how how great

862
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:26,199
that is, how humbling it is, but it I you know,

863
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:28,800
and I wouldn't want to be a young person for

864
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,119
a billion dollars. Being young is really tough, man. It's

865
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:36,519
I mean, asigned my physical health, being poor. I my

866
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,199
life is a freaking cake walk compared to when I

867
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:42,079
was nineteen or twenty two or something.

868
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:43,639
Speaker 4: Being young is really.

869
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,559
Speaker 5: Really, really hard, man, And these days it's it's particularly

870
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:51,880
screwed up. Yeah, you know, I realized that, and especially

871
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,920
young guys loving to start families and stuff. I mean

872
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,800
that that's always a challenge, but just just peculiar challenges

873
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:04,039
the these days. I realized that, and I don't minimize that.

874
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,119
But on the other hand, the fact that there's yeah,

875
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:12,360
there's literally millions of people who look at the regime

876
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:18,599
as a hostile actor and matters are openly discussed that,

877
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,679
you know, twenty five or thirty years ago would be

878
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:28,400
considered just an utterly unacceptable perspective. That's incredible. And also

879
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,840
just at street level, I you know, on the one hand,

880
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:38,639
like I was talking to my my my barber we're tired,

881
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,159
so I'm looking for the regular barber and I his

882
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:44,679
sister in law or his cousin.

883
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: Is this Colombian lady.

884
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 5: Yes, she's actually quite attractive, so it's nice and there's

885
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,079
nothing funny going on there. But it's if you're an

886
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,320
old guy like me, it's important to talk to women

887
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,760
sometimes otherwise get weird. I it's appropriate. She's like my age,

888
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:02,159
you know. But so you're talking about she was heself

889
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:03,920
was wearing a rock t shirt. She was talking and

890
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,679
she's like, yeah, She's like, you remember Clark and Belmont

891
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:10,000
was always hopping, and you know, there was this whole subculture,

892
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,719
you know, like punkin donuts days and stuff. So you're

893
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,599
talking about that, you know, and she's like yeah, She's like,

894
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:18,079
you know, I went there not long ago with a girlfriend,

895
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:20,800
and you know, it's like any other neighborhood now.

896
01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:23,199
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, I mean she's right, Like.

897
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 5: On the one hand, that kind of rawness and greediness

898
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,480
has disappeared from a little hoods. But on the other hand,

899
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:34,360
in those days when I was going to shows and stuff,

900
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,119
I have to plot my movements to not get my

901
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:40,719
ass kicked or worse, because on site, you'd get hurt,

902
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,000
you know, in a black hood. And to be fair,

903
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:45,679
like I said before, if you were some black guy

904
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:48,760
like talking shade or causing trouble in a white hood,

905
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,440
something bad would happened to you. Like that's unthinkable today, man,

906
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:56,920
like I wouldn't you know, Uh, there's a grand total

907
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,880
Pilsen in little Village are I'm not transhing those hoods.

908
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,119
I know peoples from there and I like them. And

909
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:06,880
there's there's acting nothing wrong with being from there, that

910
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,880
you're local, but that if you don't got business there,

911
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,400
you really shouldn't go there. But other than that, there's

912
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,719
nowhere I won't go, man, because nothing noth's gonna happen.

913
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,440
No one's gonna I mean, if you're a single woman,

914
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,039
obviously that's totally different. But you know, if you're a man,

915
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,800
and it's nothing gonna happen, you know, like like black

916
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,159
pools are just gonna move on you in attack mode

917
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:33,079
just because. But I mean, in nineteen ninety two, you

918
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:38,000
better believe they would. You know, there's a reason why

919
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:44,000
Bush deployed the Marine Corps just back from combat in

920
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:48,760
Iraq and l A p d LA County Sheriffs National

921
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:56,920
guard FBI. They formed this, uh, they formed this task

922
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,440
force to quite literally engage you know, the crips in

923
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,119
the bloods because they were gonna assault, Uh, they were

924
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:07,360
gonna assault downtown LA, you know. And they said, you know,

925
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,800
one eighty seven, all cops, we're gonna we're gonna waste

926
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,119
white people. We're gonna burn the fuck down, you know.

927
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:17,639
And uh, some of the Marines and this police and

928
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:21,440
PMC task force went to war in the street.

929
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 4: You know.

930
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,119
Speaker 5: It was a race war, and that that's unthinkable now,

931
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:28,679
that that that would never happen now, you know, I've

932
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,199
told youngsters about that, and they think I'm exaggerating, And

933
01:03:32,199 --> 01:03:34,440
then I pulled up on YouTube and I'm like, look,

934
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,400
I mean like I didn't make this up, you know,

935
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:40,559
like I don't make shit up. And also I I

936
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:43,920
don't exaggerate, you know. But it was a totally different

937
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,800
planet back then, man, And I I know a lot

938
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,559
of people, I mean, don't get me wrong.

939
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:51,679
Speaker 4: I the process of the history is what it is.

940
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 5: Sitting around saying violence is always bad or we've always

941
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,719
got to be afraid of war, that that's the wrong

942
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,239
way to look at it. But you know, you also

943
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:07,480
shouldn't glorify these things. And I, you know, black folks

944
01:04:07,519 --> 01:04:11,360
being in in race war mode and us being at

945
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,480
each other's throats and me having to plot my movements

946
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:17,960
unless I'm you know, like five deep with some friends

947
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:18,679
who are armed.

948
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,159
Speaker 4: I don't want to live like that. Man that's fucked

949
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:23,039
up and them old.

950
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:26,119
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was cool when I was seventeen.

951
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:28,239
Speaker 4: It's not cool, man, you know.

952
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 5: I If that makes me a big pussy or whatever, fine,

953
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,760
but I people who talk that way didn't have to

954
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:36,320
deal with it.

955
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,119
Speaker 2: I maintained, Yeah, very true.

956
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: Indeed, you know, I'm a I'm the subject in the

957
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,920
topic of criminality and violence and whatnot.

958
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, I'm a movie.

959
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: Uh there will be blood, especially quite a bit in

960
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,239
our circles. But also we were mentioning this a little

961
01:04:58,239 --> 01:05:02,920
bit at the start, with our mention of Boardwalk Empire

962
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,320
about the Irish connection to organized crime.

963
01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:07,559
Speaker 2: In the United States.

964
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: Why don't we chat on that for a little bit,

965
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,320
and then we cannot power through some of these super chats

966
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,480
and call the night so Irish gangs and whatnot.

967
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:20,239
Speaker 4: I mean, my.

968
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 5: As I understand it, in if Chicago is a totally

969
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:31,199
different gangster ecosystem than on either coast. It's totally different,

970
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:35,960
you know. I know on the East Coast there's this

971
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,880
there's this true crime classic called The Westies. Back when

972
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:48,239
I mean now, Hell's Kitchen is like any other bougie hood.

973
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,280
I mean probably actually it's probably more upscale than a

974
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:54,960
lot of places now. But you know, until until the

975
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:59,840
early nineties, Hell's Kitchen was a very tough place. And

976
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:04,039
I don't I irige whenever the majority there in terms

977
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:07,679
of are they read every plurality among the ethnic groups,

978
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:11,760
but they had outsized clout. And this book called The

979
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,880
Westies is fascinating. Like if you want, if you need

980
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,280
to like a gangster fix of like real like real

981
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,480
gangster ship, you should read Dead City by Shane Stevens

982
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:23,480
and read The Westies.

983
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 4: You know.

984
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 5: Again, The Westies is a I'm sure there's some camping

985
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,400
in it, but uh, I mean that the guys who

986
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,880
it's about were all real guys, you know, but I

987
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:43,519
and interestingly, one of uh the uh the Gatti crew,

988
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,840
who's the real kind of power behind which was uh

989
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:52,960
Frank the Chico. In my opinion, they fucked with the Westies.

990
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:55,360
And that's one of the ways they got things done.

991
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:58,960
It's because the Westies were feared and they they were

992
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:01,519
they were they were kind of becased like they did

993
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:04,800
kill anybody. They didn't care. They were afraid of anybody.

994
01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:08,960
And like I said, I don't know the East Coast

995
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,119
directly on, you know it from like gangster lid and stuff.

996
01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:17,760
But the Irish are a wrap for being serious pipe hitters.

997
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,880
And obviously here just like in you know people something,

998
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,960
MPD being deep with Irish. Chicago p D is in

999
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:28,960
Chicago Fire Department is deep as fuck with them, and

1000
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:35,599
I like, I, uh, one of my buddies from law school,

1001
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,639
I'm not gonna drop his name because he's a big

1002
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:42,400
shot lawyer now, but he like in Chicago. If you

1003
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,599
my alma mater is John Marshall Law School and the

1004
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:50,519
Core Boys Scholarship. Did this the scholarship and if you're

1005
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:53,119
a cop and you can you got the grades and

1006
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:55,320
you also had scored again into John Marshall Law School,

1007
01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:00,519
you get a free ride. So, uh, my buddy was

1008
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:03,000
a was a cop and that's how he he got

1009
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:07,039
into John Marshall with a free a full ride. But

1010
01:08:07,159 --> 01:08:11,039
he he left the police force when we graduated, and

1011
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:13,639
he uh, he went on to work in this big,

1012
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,560
high flying firm then became a judge, and that's like

1013
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,800
a not unusual trajectory you know here, stuff like that.

1014
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:28,119
But the in the outfit, you know, Chicago outfit, it

1015
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:32,520
was always different than the East Coast mafia. However, the

1016
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:39,640
the kind of core element was Italians, and there were

1017
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,479
plenty of Irish who would be the equivalent of made

1018
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:49,079
guys in terms of their clout and the percentage the

1019
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,920
of a of action they control and stuff. But the

1020
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:59,239
Irish kind of more did their own thing here and

1021
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:05,359
especially on the South Side until very recently, like until

1022
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,840
like my generation you still had. I mean, the color

1023
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,560
banging era is long gone. I mean, gang bang is

1024
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,359
totally different than it used to be, and it know

1025
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,640
it for all practical purposes, it's kind of ceased to exist.

1026
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:20,039
Speaker 4: You know.

1027
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 5: I realized there's guys who like say, like, yeah, we're

1028
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,279
beds or gds or vice lords. So I mean a

1029
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:27,640
lot of that. A lot of that though, is just

1030
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,479
kind of like wrecking crews that that are like branding

1031
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,239
themselves or when they're like the hood they're from or

1032
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:38,039
like what their dad or their uncle was into or whatever.

1033
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:43,279
But they're through the color banging era. There there was

1034
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,079
there was white mobs here, which people think is weird,

1035
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,439
but I'm not talking about and most of them are

1036
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,800
actually like white power coded, you know.

1037
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 3: Uh.

1038
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 5: It wasn't like wig or stuff. But especially on the

1039
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:04,640
South Side, you'd have a lot of guys who you know,

1040
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:10,079
they might be clicked up with them. They may clicked

1041
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:12,079
up and say like the South Side popes or whatever.

1042
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:16,039
But there's a deserted there was a descernibly like ethnically

1043
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:25,279
Irish branding sort of shot through it, you know, stuff

1044
01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:29,880
like that. And then there's a I'm not gonna name her,

1045
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,119
but I knew I knew this chick from the South

1046
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:36,640
Suburbs because I I knew this kind of hood Spanish

1047
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,079
chick from planes and this plains of the suburbs. But

1048
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:42,119
it's kind of odd, and especially then, it was sort

1049
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:45,960
of in transition, this this plane's chick. She wasn't my

1050
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,000
girlfriend or anything, but like we we'd hang out and

1051
01:10:48,039 --> 01:10:51,920
like kick and stuff. And she was friends with the

1052
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,039
South suburban Irish chick who would hang out with us sometimes.

1053
01:10:56,039 --> 01:11:00,159
And her her brother was a very feared dude, and

1054
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,039
he didn't claim any particular mob. But it was him

1055
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:08,199
with a bunch of Irish guys who and their name

1056
01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:11,119
just like rang out. You know, there's a lot of

1057
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:12,960
that kind of stuff, you know. Like I said, I

1058
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,359
was like an Orang shore guy. I mean, I I

1059
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:17,359
grew up in a real nice hood and I didn't

1060
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:19,319
play like, I didn't gang bang or anything like that,

1061
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:23,439
you know, but I I know a lot of people

1062
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:30,079
who were in that kind of world these days, you know,

1063
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:34,159
to your guy's point, the the Irish and man reel planet.

1064
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:38,399
I mean, there's Irish dudes in in our faction and

1065
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:44,399
in like Mike Hadrey who are local but they're you know,

1066
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,640
they're they're law of iding guys, and or at least

1067
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,960
there dudes who don't gang bang and stuff. And when

1068
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,319
I've been when I found myself in places like Beverly

1069
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:58,840
or lake Bridge Sports or back in the day, Wrigleyville

1070
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,000
is a really interesting part the town. And the old

1071
01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:04,680
bar of the Barney Stone is people who like any

1072
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:10,680
genic Chicago and can tell you about Dad I the

1073
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:15,319
old lady Margot who are in the Barney Stone, the

1074
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:19,680
girl who ten bar there for was this Irish chick

1075
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:23,600
was the South and Irish Chicken Anne and Anne literally

1076
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,079
lived above the barney stone and like when I get

1077
01:12:26,079 --> 01:12:28,359
this up totally, this was like twenty five thirty years ago.

1078
01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:31,159
That was the blarney is something might hangout and I'd

1079
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:33,560
get you know, if I if I had old ones

1080
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,399
to drink, like Margot Anne and the tell me like, yeah,

1081
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,199
go crash upstairs on Anne's couch.

1082
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 4: You know what I did many times.

1083
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,520
Speaker 5: But obviously the result a buntil like North Side Irish

1084
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,520
roys like getting out of that bar and in and

1085
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,560
out of like Anne's apartment. You know, dudes, dudes and

1086
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,000
girls who you know were like literally police as well

1087
01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:55,760
as who were like out and out gangsters.

1088
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:56,359
Speaker 3: You know.

1089
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,159
Speaker 5: So like I got to a I got to a

1090
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:03,279
cross section of the of the North Side Irish pretty well.

1091
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:08,920
But again, like they that clash, this was there man,

1092
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,600
you know, they they'd be aware of when people outside

1093
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,560
of the outside of the tribe are on deck. But

1094
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:19,960
I realized it spun this into a longer story of

1095
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,920
the head to be. But what I got from these

1096
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:28,000
guys and girls is, like I said, it like a

1097
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,159
lot of a lot of a lot of unspoken familial connections,

1098
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,319
a lot of a lot of neighborhood ship that outsiders

1099
01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:37,279
wouldn't understand.

1100
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 4: You know.

1101
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,359
Speaker 5: It's not like they were all gangbanging under the same

1102
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:44,800
set or something or like, uh, they were rapping like

1103
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,880
a folks or people mob or something. It was like, yeah,

1104
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,800
we're the North Side Irish from here, and my dad

1105
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,039
is this guy, my uncle's that guy, and my grandma

1106
01:13:53,119 --> 01:13:56,079
is this lady who's also this lady's cousin. So I

1107
01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:58,239
click up with these guys and this is what we're into,

1108
01:13:58,399 --> 01:13:59,439
if that makes any sense.

1109
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:07,520
Speaker 1: Definitely, I can't really relate and that extent, but I

1110
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,399
mean all the Irish folk and I'm ran into my days.

1111
01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:15,600
I mean I went to an Irish Catholic school when

1112
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,199
I was growing up, and so yeah, definitely a lot of.

1113
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,039
Speaker 5: They think it was weird that you're did I think

1114
01:14:22,039 --> 01:14:23,760
it was weird that you're a bird that can talk?

1115
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, very yes.

1116
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,079
Speaker 3: You know you know what's odd is I went to

1117
01:14:30,119 --> 01:14:34,680
a Catholic school that was almost one loss.

1118
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's like they became yeah that then

1119
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,600
the desegregation days, there was places like they had here

1120
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,000
two like about a bunch of about a bunch of

1121
01:14:50,039 --> 01:14:53,840
white pride kids who ended up in in in the

1122
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,119
Catholic system. I mean, we're we're thin on the ground here.

1123
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:01,640
Somebody didn't it was more in like outlying suburbs and stuff.

1124
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:06,840
But yeah, that that's a weird phenomena that I.

1125
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,399
Speaker 3: Well, it's you know, if you have a good prep school,

1126
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:14,039
if then you're you're not really caring that that they're

1127
01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:16,000
going to have to go to mass everyone. So no,

1128
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,199
the education is so good.

1129
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could definitely attest to that with the high school.

1130
01:15:22,279 --> 01:15:25,319
I went to Catholic and they basically took anybody. They

1131
01:15:25,319 --> 01:15:26,479
took anybody who could pay.

1132
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, And I the I went to a

1133
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,119
Catholic college, man, I went to the older Chicago, and

1134
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:33,159
I mean it's I went there for a reason. I mean,

1135
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:35,399
part of it was in those days, you know, you

1136
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,159
needed library access. I mean this this was when internet

1137
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:44,840
was nansense. But they you know, they had they they

1138
01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:49,119
were not remotely woke. They had you could study platable

1139
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:55,880
theory in a dedicated capacity, you know. And and I

1140
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:00,760
the academic culture back then was very amenable to what

1141
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,319
I was into. You know, I know, I agree experience

1142
01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:07,399
only older man, I think I think back on I

1143
01:16:07,399 --> 01:16:10,159
think back in college fondly and like, I think you're

1144
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:11,960
kind of a goof if you think about I think

1145
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:16,079
high school was awesome anyway. But I mean I I

1146
01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:19,039
never think finally like about high school.

1147
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,039
Speaker 3: Like at all, but like I didn't like it at all.

1148
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:26,520
And yeah, I went to school. I went to school

1149
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,000
when the priests would put hands on you and like

1150
01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:30,079
smack the shit out of you.

1151
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sure.

1152
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got spat once when I was in

1153
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,359
middle school and I didn't even deserve it. It wasn't

1154
01:16:37,359 --> 01:16:39,520
actually me who was causing the promise of some other kid.

1155
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:44,319
Speaker 5: But yeah, anyway, No, I I don't I don't think

1156
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:46,520
it's weird for people outside the faith to go to

1157
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:52,279
a Catholic school. I mean that, yeah, I And yeah, no,

1158
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:57,039
I'm doing plenty of guys and girls who weren't that

1159
01:16:57,039 --> 01:16:59,239
that wasn't their heritage, but they went to Catholic schools.

1160
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 4: Yeah that's not No.

1161
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 5: I like you like people, man, I mean, people get

1162
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,760
the wrong idea because you know, like like Pete said,

1163
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,880
you know, making fun of people's heritage, it just is

1164
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:17,760
something we do, especially if you're you know, a Cantanna

1165
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,760
Orus gen x or but I you know, I mean,

1166
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,319
I mean, shit, man, I Chicago is my home, all

1167
01:17:23,359 --> 01:17:26,359
the all the all my closest friends on the ground

1168
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:29,399
here and including the OGC guys who we all love.

1169
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,039
I mean, there are a bunch of Catholic dudes, man,

1170
01:17:31,119 --> 01:17:34,600
you know, like that speaks for itself. I'm the oddball

1171
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,760
on dick you know. And it's not it's not even

1172
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,279
a thing, man, Like, nobody makes me feel weird or anything.

1173
01:17:39,319 --> 01:17:43,039
Speaker 1: And I that might be one of the things I

1174
01:17:43,079 --> 01:17:47,880
hate most in this entire sphere is the various Catholic

1175
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,279
versus Protestant versus you know, pagan debates that we have

1176
01:17:51,359 --> 01:17:54,319
in these circles. It's just all this it's just horribly

1177
01:17:54,399 --> 01:17:57,199
unproductive and just doesn't exist when you're actually in the

1178
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:57,760
real world.

1179
01:17:59,039 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's why. Yeah, I I gotta assume.

1180
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 5: I gotta assume these guys that don't leave their house

1181
01:18:04,199 --> 01:18:05,800
or if they do, and that's what they're really like.

1182
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,119
It's like, well, you're you're a big at a dickhead,

1183
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:09,439
you know, Like I don't.

1184
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,359
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't hang out with people like that,

1185
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:12,560
you know.

1186
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 5: No, You're absolutely right, And I that's what, like I said,

1187
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,560
I obviously if I don't know, people will I'm not

1188
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,039
gonna come at them with with ethnic or or or

1189
01:18:22,119 --> 01:18:26,199
sectarian jokes. But I mean among friends, I mean, I

1190
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,119
you know, it's just part of how we relate, man.

1191
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:29,880
I mean I I take as much shit as I

1192
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,720
dish outut Man, if you make fun of you, I mean,

1193
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,560
the fellas make fun of you all the time, you know,

1194
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,279
like I it's just part of It's part of the

1195
01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:41,920
ongoing hazy of a you know, life as a the

1196
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:43,039
male of the species.

1197
01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1198
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: And it's a part of masculinity that people just like forget.

1199
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like guys relate.

1200
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,560
Speaker 1: It's like that's how I know you're cool if you're

1201
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,680
one of my dudes, Like I can make fun of you.

1202
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,159
But if some guy in the street was to come

1203
01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:58,000
up and say something nasty and like, Okay, I'm gonna

1204
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,000
beat the shit up, you know, it's.

1205
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 3: Like gonna it's not a great weekend. Thomas called me.

1206
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:05,800
I said I wanted to go get some sleep, and

1207
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:16,640
Thomas called me a lazy spaniard going and take the.

1208
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:21,039
Speaker 5: Y Yeah, and uh yeah, it's all Uh it'd be

1209
01:19:21,159 --> 01:19:24,600
it would be sus as funk. If you know, somebody

1210
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:26,159
took that the wrong way.

1211
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:26,520
Speaker 4: I mean it.

1212
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 5: Admittedly, you know you've got to be you can't get

1213
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,159
overly familiar with people. But that's one of the nice

1214
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:35,760
things about you know, going to the lake and and

1215
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,119
seeing you guys and all the fellas. I mean, that's

1216
01:19:38,119 --> 01:19:40,479
that's legitimate the house of my year because it's like

1217
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,199
a big family reunion and you know, like I, you know,

1218
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,039
I'm cool with all of them guys. Man, it's you know,

1219
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:51,520
we're like family. That's dope. Speaking of being a lazy

1220
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,560
h being a lazy Iberian.

1221
01:19:56,359 --> 01:20:01,119
Speaker 1: I uh, yeah, gonna we're gonna wrap up here.

1222
01:20:01,279 --> 01:20:03,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's getting a super chants and then I'm gonna

1223
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:03,880
raise up.

1224
01:20:04,399 --> 01:20:05,399
Speaker 2: Yes, that good.

1225
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:09,279
Speaker 1: I need I need Dug to put the access of

1226
01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:13,560
the magic Google doc in the chat here. Second, we've

1227
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,279
got all them super chats and then we'll get rolling

1228
01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:17,640
on that.

1229
01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:22,039
Speaker 2: So up there we go, perfect, thank.

1230
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: You, all right, scrolling up to the top, we've got

1231
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:32,079
Adrian Shepherd sends us two bucks. He says, triple seven

1232
01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:35,720
Mafia salute, Hail the o GC salute. Well, thank you sir,

1233
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:41,359
you are a real American. All right, Moving on again,

1234
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,680
he sends another five bucks, says, how should Americans take

1235
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,640
pride in their own history slash war traditions given the

1236
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:53,840
events of the twentieth century, without becoming derascinated but not zogged.

1237
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,760
That's a five dollars. That's like a whole stream.

1238
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 5: My my, my heardag has nothing to do with some

1239
01:21:03,159 --> 01:21:08,279
hostile government fighting, you know, waging waging war on Europe

1240
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:12,560
and alliance with the communists like I uh, I were

1241
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,560
the were the bloodstained banner on my person every single day.

1242
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 4: That's my courtage.

1243
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 5: The government's gotta nothing to do with me, you know,

1244
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,119
Like why why don't even take I didn't even like that,

1245
01:21:24,039 --> 01:21:27,199
Like I said, like, my cultural canon is stuff like

1246
01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:30,479
the King James Bible and our thory in war and

1247
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:36,079
you know, the the the the tradition of you know,

1248
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:38,199
the the ulster yal woman remn.

1249
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:43,319
Speaker 1: That's I think, you know, not a rag on this

1250
01:21:43,359 --> 01:21:45,840
guy here. But I think this is another problem that

1251
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,359
a lot of young dudes have. Yeah, and I imagine

1252
01:21:50,359 --> 01:21:52,840
this is just something that happens in any time and place,

1253
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,640
not just artists, even though our time has some other issues.

1254
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,079
But guys, you're gonna get through life or you're gonna

1255
01:21:59,079 --> 01:22:04,199
have like some kind of bil inconsistencies or whatever what

1256
01:22:04,279 --> 01:22:06,079
have you, and like as it relates to I don't

1257
01:22:06,079 --> 01:22:07,640
want to use this like gay leftist term like your

1258
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,319
identity or something like this, but like why are you

1259
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:15,000
gonna have like your history or something be compromised by

1260
01:22:15,079 --> 01:22:17,520
what's currently going on with you know, Zog or something

1261
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:17,880
like that.

1262
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,560
Speaker 2: Man. I mean like that's like history is my history?

1263
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 5: You know, well, yeah, given to Caesar what Caesar is due.

1264
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:29,079
And I made the point of people too, especially when

1265
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:32,760
people are like they're taking down this monument.

1266
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't want Zog fucking with my heritage.

1267
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:38,600
I don't want them dirtying it with with with their

1268
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,479
monuments or anything else. You know, it has nothing to

1269
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,239
do with them, you know.

1270
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:49,239
Speaker 5: And this idea that you've got to live through, you've

1271
01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:53,399
got to live through regime institutions is bullshit. Somebody of

1272
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,399
the dames is telling me it's like a tragy under

1273
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,239
the boy Scouts, Like why are you fucking with the

1274
01:22:57,239 --> 01:22:59,680
boy Scouts? You know, I can even like half a

1275
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:04,199
dozen of our people's institutions that teach you know, youngsters

1276
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,680
like you know, camping skills, outdoors skills. You know, there's

1277
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:12,359
that communitarian experience you know between you know, the other

1278
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,680
kids between the fathers, you know, we get together. Let

1279
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,520
up shoot, like like why why would you go through

1280
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,239
some regime institution for that? And just like kind of

1281
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:25,199
hope that it doesn't, you know, trying socially engineer your

1282
01:23:25,279 --> 01:23:29,039
kids away from you know, their own their own heritage,

1283
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:31,199
Like it shouldn't even come to that. You shouldn't even

1284
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:33,920
bother with it. You know, you should secede.

1285
01:23:37,399 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: There you have it, Moving on. Christopher Burke, since us

1286
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,960
five bucks in a salute. Thank you, Sarah, you are

1287
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:45,720
a real American.

1288
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:48,079
Speaker 3: Three Americans?

1289
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. There he is.

1290
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: We got solid Snake nineteen sixty four, who was not

1291
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,640
the first super shower tonight? How dare you, sir? Unacceptable?

1292
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,920
Get your cardboard box out of storage and steep behind it?

1293
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:04,359
Alliance man? All right, he sends us ten bucks. Eating gents,

1294
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,920
I'm only a smidge Irish, with most of me being

1295
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,560
German and Norwegian by blood, but I must be making

1296
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,199
my Irish ancestors proud by being Catholic, loving Irish whiskey

1297
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,560
and my love of redheads. Well, who doesn't love a redhead?

1298
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 2: Man?

1299
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:18,039
Speaker 4: Come on?

1300
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,319
Speaker 1: Hopefully I didn't insult in the actual irishman. Then maybe listening.

1301
01:24:22,399 --> 01:24:24,159
Ha ha, Yeah that's the other thing too. I mean,

1302
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,760
Irish whiskey is great. Everyone loves the loves their Jamison man.

1303
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,399
Speaker 4: I mm hmm.

1304
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:39,199
Speaker 5: You know Jameson is good with Jamison, makes a really

1305
01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:44,760
good Irish rover add a little bit of Bailey's. Well, yeah,

1306
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:50,960
it's awesome, but uh, Jamison does it. It's it's it's

1307
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:54,159
it kicks like a mule man like Mills is because

1308
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:57,119
it's so smooth. No, you said it's it's smoother than

1309
01:24:57,119 --> 01:25:00,960
a prom queen's thighs and not nearly as whiskey.

1310
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 4: I don't like that.

1311
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 3: Well, I got the movie reference.

1312
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:13,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, Son of Haster sends us five bucks. Oh no,

1313
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,680
or he says, uh, oh, time to decide if I'm

1314
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,600
Irish or Italian or Slavic.

1315
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it's just like deciding, like what kind

1316
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:26,039
of black person you were to say him black?

1317
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,399
Speaker 1: We got a hammer. Rain sends us ten bucks, says

1318
01:25:31,399 --> 01:25:35,399
thank you guys, Well, thank you, sir, skip them two

1319
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,399
twenty one of our top superchatters as always, sends us

1320
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,840
fifty bucks. Thank you very much, sir. He says, salute

1321
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,600
the OGC and all heritage Americans.

1322
01:25:45,159 --> 01:25:50,319
Speaker 2: Must allude to you, sir. Americans, Yes, indeed, real Americans.

1323
01:25:50,319 --> 01:25:50,840
Thank you, sir.

1324
01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 1: Seasider sends us ten bucks in a salute as he

1325
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:55,319
does every week.

1326
01:25:55,359 --> 01:26:01,079
Speaker 2: Thank you, Seasider than Americans, Yes indeed, and.

1327
01:26:01,039 --> 01:26:06,560
Speaker 1: He definitely is a real American wolfgang since us fifteen bucks,

1328
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,560
says gee having to catch the stream light salute the OGC. Well,

1329
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:16,520
thank you sir, three Americans, And no I'm not grimed

1330
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:21,399
from red Hood who's supporting a channel membership star next

1331
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,560
to his profile. So he's given us some money every

1332
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,359
month to watch gaming content. Thank you very much, sir,

1333
01:26:27,079 --> 01:26:29,840
for two bucks, he says. The Lucky Charms question, ay man,

1334
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,000
Lucky Charms is a good cereal, all right, I ate

1335
01:26:33,079 --> 01:26:34,439
that a lot when I was a little kid.

1336
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 4: You know.

1337
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 5: I Lucky Charms isn't bad. This like the cereal that

1338
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,800
was my favorite, like garbage cereal. It was called Circus

1339
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,680
Fun and nobody remembers it, but it was so awesome

1340
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,920
and it was literally themed after circuses, Like it was

1341
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:54,880
just so fucking.

1342
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,399
Speaker 1: Dope, like like circus animals and stuff like those.

1343
01:26:58,199 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 4: And yeah, it was totally surreal though.

1344
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:02,520
Speaker 5: It was like it was these like kind of nightmares

1345
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:07,359
looking clowns and hyah like balls and like elephants. It

1346
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:11,079
was courses, coops and balls, bears, elephants and lions. I

1347
01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:14,239
remember the song, and like, when I bring it up,

1348
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:16,279
people think I'm on crack or something. I'm like, no, man,

1349
01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:18,399
circus fun existed and it was fucking delicious.

1350
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,119
Speaker 1: I remember going to being taken to a circus when

1351
01:27:22,119 --> 01:27:23,640
I was a kid. I mean, they they've all like

1352
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,680
pretty much sentiment banned now. I don't even think you

1353
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,239
can go to them anymore. But I do remember when

1354
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,800
I was a child seeing like the whole elephants and

1355
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,039
a bunch of like tigers and the whole act and everything.

1356
01:27:33,119 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 4: But it's weird that it dirt as long as it did, man, Like, Honestly,

1357
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,279
it's done, Like even if it even if neurotic shit

1358
01:27:40,399 --> 01:27:43,880
libs hadn't killed it, It's it's odd it endured after

1359
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,279
about the nineteen fifties, you know.

1360
01:27:48,359 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: It?

1361
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 5: Uh then, of course, because I'm in mid Western and

1362
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:56,119
I'm all familiar with the inbred evil cousin of the circus,

1363
01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:56,800
the carnival.

1364
01:28:01,239 --> 01:28:03,520
Speaker 1: Uh, those are still around in some places.

1365
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, but no, they're still around here, but they've been

1366
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,800
totally sanitized like that man talking like when the cardinal

1367
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,039
had come around, Like me and my friends, we'd play

1368
01:28:12,079 --> 01:28:14,359
the carnival games because you could win. You could win

1369
01:28:14,399 --> 01:28:17,079
a prize mirror. You could win a prize cocaine mirror

1370
01:28:17,159 --> 01:28:20,560
with like Motley Crue on it and uh tho joe

1371
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:21,720
like feathered roast clips.

1372
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 4: There's like there's like a seedinus to it. There.

1373
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 5: There's there's a there's like a hair metal in in

1374
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:32,000
in cocaine, like heavily cut cocaine and uh like bad

1375
01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:33,800
tattoos and mullet seating as to it.

1376
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,159
Speaker 4: That was glorious.

1377
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting.

1378
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,039
Speaker 3: And the last movie that h Thomas and I reviewed

1379
01:28:41,279 --> 01:28:43,880
was Tobe Hooper's Fun House.

1380
01:28:44,079 --> 01:28:44,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1381
01:28:44,359 --> 01:28:46,399
Speaker 5: Man, that's not the reason why I relate to that film,

1382
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:49,159
but that's also uh it's a dope movie.

1383
01:28:49,399 --> 01:28:51,399
Speaker 4: I was watching Hell Night the other day, you know.

1384
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 5: It's that was that was when Linda Blair was in

1385
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,640
full screen queen mode, and I mean she was an

1386
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,479
adult then, and that's when she was like kicking with

1387
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,760
Rick James and become kind of a kind of like

1388
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:08,319
a bad girl, you know, like a bombshell type of

1389
01:29:09,079 --> 01:29:11,840
a girl. But Hell Night is pretty dope too. It's

1390
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,479
not as good as The Funhouse, but that's kind of

1391
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,279
an unsung horror movie too. I've been on a horror film, Kicks.

1392
01:29:17,279 --> 01:29:18,159
You might have noticed me.

1393
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,039
Speaker 1: Alrighty, I'm moving on to our good friend Millon since

1394
01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:28,600
us five bucks. He says, Hey, Thomas doing some research

1395
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,920
on Nixon. Do you cover him in any of your

1396
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,479
work other than the Nixon episode in the Cold War

1397
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:34,479
series with Pete.

1398
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, Man Nixon is a consistent the Knicks administration and Nixon.

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Speaker 4: The man.

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Speaker 5: Bears directly on my primary research concentration and concentrations. And yeah,

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the next administration in the nineteen seventy three war is

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a major aspect of my manuscript, which I'm sending off

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the manuscript April.

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Speaker 4: First.

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Speaker 5: I've got to get get off my I've got to

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do my Texas, and i've got to send the manuscript.

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I'm going to do those things the first week in April,

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you know. And I plan to dedicate myself increasing a

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long form like when this when this book's finally published,

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I've got a lot of other long form stuff already

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completed as well as sort of in my mind. So yeah,

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I'm going to continue writing about the twentieth century. I'm

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going to continue writing about how extant conflict paradigms derive

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and causal terms from the twentieth century, and the next

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administration plays a huge part of that well in terms

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of the trajectory of domestic policy and the you know,

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in zeitgeist, as well as in terms of international affairs

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and things. I'm playing with the idea of writing a

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brief I mean apparently brief like you know, two three

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hundred pages sort of a revisionist history of the Cold

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War and uh focus more on Cold War subject matter.

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And I want to write, uh, I want to do

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some writing on the epistemological aspects of the end of

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the Cold War and the Islamic Awakening specifically, and how

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this has characterized the twenty first century and power political terms,

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you know. And I like I've said, I osamban Lad

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and I'm not saying we should to admire Osamon Laden

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or anything like that, but he's he is the most

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significant revolutionary since since Ho Chi Minh and uh he

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that they can't be denied, you know.

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Speaker 4: So I I what I'm getting.

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Speaker 5: Is, yeah, I I cover Nixon in the manuscript. I

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I continue to cover my content, you know, both written

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long and short form, as well as in my podcasting

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stuff YouTube channel for some of that stuff. Yeah, I

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forget to being along within.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We also have a three episodes that we did on

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Nixon and Watergate that are that are out. There is

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a complete complete file on my podcast on my podcast channel.

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Speaker 4: Way Hodi.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely check that out. And then we got.

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Speaker 1: Donny b for twenty five box and this is actually

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not an anthropomorphics supersticker.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: So well, thank you very much for that. And that's

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us all caught up on the super chats. So we'll

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go through some promotions and we'll call it a night here.

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So Pete, where can people find your stuff now that

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they don't see you on YouTube much? And what do

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you have coming up?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, the only thing I was putting on YouTube were

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the two hundred Years Together episodes and they're all on

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Rumble so and see, so you can just slide right

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on over there. Just released a third episode with George

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Bagbee released that tonight on the Road to the Road

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to the War between the States, and we got into

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John Taylor of Caroline and the the Agrarians versus the

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the city folk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, baby's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very very good dude. Indeed, Thomas, where it

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01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,800
could people find more of your stuff, and thank you

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for coming on as ever, always a pleasure to talk

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to you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for including me. I always get a kick

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out of be included on OGC streams.

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Speaker 4: You should go to my website.

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Speaker 5: It's Thomas seven seven seven dot com number seven each

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on mes seven seven seven dot com.

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Speaker 4: Y's you can pretty much access all my all my content.

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Speaker 5: My sub stack is real Thomas seven seven seven at

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substack dot com.

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Speaker 4: And you can also find me on YouTube.

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Speaker 5: It's a Thomas TV at number seven h O M

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A s number seven V so Thomas TV.

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Speaker 4: You'll see you can you stall find all right?

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Speaker 1: Perfect, Everyone definitely make sure to look that up. And

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then we got a last minute super chat from volpi's

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persona who's also supporting a channel membership star. Thank you

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01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:31,800
very much. He sends us a salute, well, thank you, Sarah.

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01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:37,279
You are a real American. Three Americans, all righty, and

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01:34:37,319 --> 01:34:40,319
that is going to be it for us here tonight. Everyone,

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01:34:40,359 --> 01:34:43,880
be sure to tune into American Spirits on Monday's Chapter

1485
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:48,039
House on Wednesday, and also check out the OGC Substack.

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01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,760
There's some really good stuff coming out next week and

1487
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,560
in the next couple of days on the substack, some

1488
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:58,479
very very important articles, so be sure to look for that.

1489
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,399
And then also if you want to become channel members,

1490
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,119
polease do. We're having a lot of fun with our

1491
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:08,560
Warhammer streams. We do them maybe once sometimes twice a week,

1492
01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:12,199
so be sure to check those out as well, and

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we'll see you guys soon.