WEBVTT 1 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:26.920 I should be hearing my voice. 2 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:28.399 You should be hearing my voice. 3 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:30.839 You should be hearing my voice, and you're right here. 4 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:42.320 Welcome back to Raised by Giant's Discussion. I'm your host, 5 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:48.520 writer Lee. That was the teaser trailer from my upcoming documentary, 6 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:52.359 Psychicage at the Gate Program, releasing soon on Amazon Prime 7 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:57.039 and Apple TV. Welcome any moderators Channel members out there. 8 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.560 If you're watching on YouTuber x or listening on Spotify 9 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.399 or Apple, or if you're listening to the replay, welcome 10 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:06.000 to the show. All of my social media links are 11 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:09.480 in the description. 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I 19 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:37.200 think it's always important and good to have a physical 20 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:42.920 copy of everything, so depending on how this company works out, 21 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:47.359 I'll also look into getting DVDs made of JFKX and 22 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.400 a clockwork shining as well, So there's a lot to 23 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.879 look forward to you coming up. Also looking into getting 24 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:57.719 posters made for the movie. So we have a lot 25 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:02.599 going on, looking forward to the release. Very excited. Everything's 26 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.040 really ramping up. So but today we have with us. 27 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:11.039 He is a Canadian TV personality and podcast host. He 28 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:15.000 appeared in the documentary America United We Fall and is 29 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:18.639 here to talk about his new book, releasing July ninth, 30 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:22.520 twenty twenty six, titled Tales from the Rock and Roll 31 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:26.199 Twilight Zone. Richard Saraht Welcome to the show. 32 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:28.759 Hey, my pleasure, Thank you writer. 33 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:32.960 Have you ever watched this TV show on Netflix called 34 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:34.400 The Panaverate? 35 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.639 I have not, no, no, Why do you ask. 36 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:44.319 It's just really funny. It's like about this Canadian researcher. 37 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.599 It's got Michael Myers in it from Austin Powers, you know, 38 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:52.199 He's like, it's like this conspiracy TV show where it's 39 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.960 like making fun of a lot of conspiracy theories and stuff. 40 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:58.280 And I don't know, I just thought that it was interesting. 41 00:02:58.319 --> 00:02:59.319 I thought it was funny, but. 42 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.840 Maybe I should check it out. Yes, my fellow countryman. 43 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:08.759 It's really funny. So you have a new book releasing 44 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:13.439 July ninth, title Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone. 45 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:20.080 Amazing title, By the way, what inspired you to write 46 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.319 this book? Because there's so much with rock and roll history. 47 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.479 It goes back to Laurel Canyon and Hollywood in the 48 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:30.039 sixties and that military base that was on top of 49 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:34.039 the mountain, and the Beatles and the doors and all 50 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:36.520 of that. So how did this come about? 51 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:40.719 It started out as a podcast originally called The Rock 52 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:43.639 and Roll Twilight Zone. Actually, I can even go back 53 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.080 a little bit further. It started off with an idea 54 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.240 for a terrestrial radio program which I was working on 55 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.599 with my late partner R. Gary Patterson. He was a 56 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:59.639 noted rock historian and from Tennessee, and so we got 57 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:01.560 together and we decided we were going to create this 58 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:06.360 radio show combining I guess my broadcasting skills, whatever they 59 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:12.680 might be, and my interest in my lifelong music or appreciation, 60 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:18.680 and his books which delve into mysteries and curses and 61 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.720 legends and unexplained deaths. And he's written several novel he 62 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.000 had written several volumes on this topic. So we were 63 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.639 all ready to launch this radio show. And actually about 64 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:31.959 nine years ago in the next couple of days. It 65 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:36.759 was May twenty sixth Gary died suddenly, and so then 66 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:38.319 I had to figure out, well, what am I going 67 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:40.759 to do with this radio show? After a suitable period 68 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:46.040 of grieving, I decided to launch the idea as a podcast. 69 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:51.519 And then the podcast we produced about forty episodes, and 70 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:53.879 here we are eight years later. I decided, you know, 71 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:55.600 people were asking, you know, how can I listen to 72 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:59.279 the podcast? It wasn't available anymore, and I may release 73 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:01.920 it at some point, but I thought, okay, why don't 74 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:03.759 And people were bugging me at the same time, write 75 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:06.120 a book, Write a book? Where's your book? So I 76 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:10.199 decided I would revisit that podcast, and I transcribed sixteen 77 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.120 episodes and kind of rewrote it and reimagined it. And 78 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:18.040 here we are Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone. 79 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.519 Where will people be able to purchase a copy of that? 80 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.240 From my understanding, it's available for pre order right now. 81 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.120 It is the usual suspects, Amazon, Barnes, and Noble. They 82 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.120 can order it right from the publisher, which is Trying 83 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.639 Day dot com t R I N E Day all 84 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:39.720 one word Trying Day. And I should also point out 85 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:42.160 writer is one of the interesting aspects of this book 86 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.800 is the there's a QR code that's at the bottom 87 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.040 of each chapter. Each sixteen chapters as a QR code, 88 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.079 and they can listen to the episode of the podcast 89 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.319 sort of exclusively because no one else can listen to 90 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.360 it right now, they can listen to the episode of 91 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:00.519 the podcast that inspired the chat there. 92 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.000 Well, I haven't got to read it yet, but I'm 93 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:08.120 very much looking forward to it because I've made a 94 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:10.959 documentary called a Clockwork Shine in a Cubic's Odyssey three 95 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:13.439 and it really dives into a lot of the rock 96 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.680 and roll history of that time and how it was 97 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:21.279 essentially created and infiltrated by the CIA. So where does 98 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:25.680 this uh, where does your book initially start? Does it 99 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:29.120 start with the Beatles and kind of work its way 100 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:33.040 up from there? Because there's this really interesting video that 101 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:34.720 came out a couple of years ago. I don't know 102 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.879 if you've seen this. Uh look at this really quickly. Here. 103 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:43.199 This is with Paul McCartney, right, and there's this guy. 104 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:44.639 Have you seen this video? 105 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.360 Uh? Oh, I've seen it, yes, with a guy that 106 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:53.560 looks like John Lennon behind him. Who knows with AI 107 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.040 these days? Who knows. 108 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.279 Yeah, I mean it could be any you know British 109 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.959 you guy back there, but it looks suspiciously like John 110 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:05.959 Lennon right there. 111 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:10.680 It does. It does. Yeah. Well, the book is divided 112 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.800 into four sections, and it doesn't sort of, it doesn't 113 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:20.639 go chronologically from chapter one to sixteen. The first four chapters, however, 114 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:24.639 are about the Beatles. I call the section the Beatles Enigma. 115 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:28.160 The first chapter has to do with this whole idea 116 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.360 that you alluded to earlier, writer, and that the infiltration 117 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.160 of rock and roll actually probably started even before that. 118 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:42.800 The Beatles were a creation. They weren't simply some organic 119 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:50.000 cultural event. I mean, the Beatles were talented musicians in 120 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:52.480 their own right. They were an actual, you know, four 121 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:56.920 lads from Liverpool who wanted to be you know, bigger 122 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:01.120 than Jesus or whatever. But they were infiltrated or the 123 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:04.439 machine got behind them. And this whole idea of the 124 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.759 Beatles invasion, which is a term we're familiar with, you know, 125 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:12.439 when these musical groups washed ashore in North America in 126 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:16.720 starting at about nineteen sixty four, The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, 127 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:21.079 the Animals, the Zombies, a number of other groups, the Kinks, 128 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:27.759 I suppose, but they were engineered. They were a creation 129 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:35.120 of British intelligence, the Tavistock Institute, and they were designed 130 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:40.240 think of them as sort of software. They were designed 131 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:47.679 to sort of subvert or corrupt the American youth, lead 132 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:55.279 them into drugs, rebellion, the erosion of the family unit, 133 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:58.559 and the theory, this is just the theory that they 134 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:06.279 were intended to essentially regain the colony that Britain lost 135 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:08.720 in seventeen seventy six. In fact, it was at the 136 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.519 time when the Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show 137 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:15.559 in February of nineteen sixty four, which was watched by 138 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.399 something like seventy three million Americans. That's one in three 139 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:25.000 Americans were watching that live broadcast. A couple of days later, 140 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:29.159 there was a Times magazine headline that read something to 141 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.679 the extent I'm paraphrasing, but in seventeen seventy six, Britain 142 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:37.759 lost the American colony. You know, last week Britain got 143 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:42.000 it back. In other words, the American youth had fallen 144 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.399 under the spell perhaps a British intelligence. So that's the 145 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.000 first chapter. I also deal with the whole Paul is 146 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:51.679 Dead legend in that section, which is you know, granted 147 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:55.320 it's well trodden territory. Most of us are familiar with 148 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.480 this theory that Paul McCartney died in a car accident 149 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:02.480 in November of nineteen sixty six and was quietly replaced 150 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:09.240 by a body double, and that the remaining Beatles, either 151 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:12.000 with or without the knowledge of the executives at E. 152 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.759 M I or Brian Epstein or George Martin, left bread 153 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:19.519 crumbs in the album covers their song lyrics backward masking 154 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:24.840 in order to I suppose, confess to the public that 155 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:29.919 Paul is dead and we've replaced him with this double, 156 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:34.519 And I mean, don't I don't believe that that's the case. 157 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:38.639 In order to believe that, you know, Paul McCartney was replaced, 158 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.519 you have to believe that they somehow managed to find 159 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:44.799 a look alike who also was left handed, played left 160 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:48.840 handed bass, and was arguably more talented than the original Paul. 161 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.039 When you look at the body of work sort of 162 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:54.120 post nineteen sixty six and songs like let It Be 163 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:56.240 and Hey Jude and The Long and Winding Road, I 164 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.759 think you know, the faux Paul as he became known, 165 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:03.679 was arguably more talented than the original. But what's interesting 166 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.519 about it is is and the clues are I think 167 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:11.639 are there. Whether it was a clever marketing ploy or 168 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.399 whatever it was, I think what's fascinating about it is 169 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:18.600 how a legend like that, a rumor took root pre 170 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.440 social media, like sixty or fifty years before social media, 171 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:25.279 fifty years before the advent of the Internet, or maybe 172 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.559 forty years before the Internet, just by word of mouth. 173 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.799 It started out as some kid on a college campus 174 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:35.440 in Davenport, Iowa writing a piece why you know why 175 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.720 he thought these clues on Abbey Road and the cover 176 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.279 of Sergeant Pepper's The Only Hearts Club Band and the 177 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.639 you know he heard something when he played Strawberry Feels Backwards. 178 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:46.519 He writes this column. Some other kids pick up on 179 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:49.080 the column and they call a radio station in Detroit, 180 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.840 Russ Gibb, so rock and roll DJ, back in nineteen 181 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:55.720 sixty nine. They start talking to Russ Gibb about these 182 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.399 live on the air, about these these clues they've found. 183 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:02.080 The lines start lighting up. Next week, the whole thing 184 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.399 starts over again at WABC in New York with Robi Young, 185 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:08.120 who was a very famous rock DJ at the time. 186 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:11.799 That station at night could be heard in something like 187 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:16.399 forty different states. The callers flood the studio phone lines. 188 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:20.600 Robi Young actually suspends his music format starts taking calls 189 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.679 live on the air. Oh have you played Revolution nine backwards? 190 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:29.360 You can hear you can hear John say, turn me 191 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.799 on dead Man, or or Paul is dead or I 192 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.000 buried Paul or whatever it is. Have you seen you know? 193 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.320 Have you seen Abbey Road? The Volkswagen parked on the 194 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.679 side of the road and the album cover says twenty eight. 195 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.279 If twenty eight, if that's the license plate, well, Paul 196 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.279 McCartney would have been twenty eight if he were still alive. 197 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.799 So this is going crazy on Robi Young's show. The 198 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:55.759 program director comes in and fires Robie Young live on 199 00:12:55.799 --> 00:13:00.519 the air for breaking with format. And they just took 200 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:02.679 off from there, and here we are nearly sixty years 201 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:06.120 later from nineteen sixty nine, and the legend still lives. 202 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:07.320 It's fascinating. 203 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:12.559 Well, there's a lot of evidence that the Beatles weren't 204 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:16.919 good musicians to begin with. A lot of their producers 205 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:18.399 and a lot of the people that work with them 206 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:20.960 said that they were not good musicians. They had to 207 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:25.919 bring in this band that was really known in Hollywood 208 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.360 at that time called the Wrecking Crew. Are you familiar 209 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:29.240 with the Wrecking Crew? 210 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.320 With the Wrecking Crew and record. 211 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.840 All the music for these big bands, because these big 212 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:38.759 bands could not perform under like in a really well 213 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:42.919 in a recording setting. So I don't know if that's 214 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:48.919 really one that proves if it happened or it didn't happen. 215 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.960 But I mean, from all accounts, all the musicians of 216 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.559 the Beatles were not good musicians to. 217 00:13:55.600 --> 00:14:00.120 Begin well, I've heard that rumor. I don't know if 218 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:02.200 if I necessarily buy into that. I mean, I'd have 219 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:03.720 to look into it a little bit more. But I 220 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:06.279 have seen Paul McCartney play live a couple of times 221 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.559 in the early days. Of course, the Beatles performed on 222 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:14.960 BBC Radio Live. They had a regular weekly show on 223 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.360 the BBC as far as I know, you know, they 224 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.240 were playing their own instruments. I could be wrong, but 225 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:24.200 I don't don't. I don't believe that's the case. They 226 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.320 none of them could read, read or write music. That's true, 227 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:32.639 but many great musicians at that time could not read 228 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:37.600 or write music. But I mean, I approach it from 229 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.919 the point that yes, they did play their own instruments. Yes, 230 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:42.720 they were very talented. I think Lennon and McCartney were 231 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.840 great lyricists. But I'll tell you what, writer, I don't 232 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:49.200 know whereabouts you're living in the US, but I'm in 233 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.559 just north of Toronto, and occasionally I will go down 234 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:55.360 into the subway and I will hear performers down there 235 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:59.000 who were playing for quarters and loonies. That's what we 236 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:02.559 call our one dollar up here, they're buskers. And I 237 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.159 see some amazing musicians, and I say to myself, you know, 238 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.519 why isn't that person performing at Roy Thompson Hall or 239 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.360 at Massey Hall, or you know, I don't know in 240 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:14.279 Las Vegas. They are so good, And the reason is 241 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.120 they don't have the machine behind them. And so you've 242 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:21.000 got this I don't know, not an unseen hand exactly, 243 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:25.840 but these A and R people, these recording executives who 244 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:29.159 annoint certain people and they don't others. Now why is that? 245 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:31.399 You know? We could sit here all day and argue 246 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:36.440 about why certain people get selected to be for greatness 247 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:38.840 and others do not, who are clearly great in their 248 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:43.039 own right, but they never achieve celebrity or fame or 249 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.600 fortune because they don't have the machine behind them. So 250 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.080 this I think there's some credence to the idea that 251 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:54.600 the machine not only EMI, but for example, I mentioned 252 00:15:54.639 --> 00:16:02.080 the Tavistock Institute, which was this sort of well think 253 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:04.840 about it. Think of it as Sigmund Freud meets the 254 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.879 Ministry of Defense in Great Britain. So after the war, 255 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:12.159 the Tavistock Institute was formed in order to deal with 256 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:16.279 michelle shocked soldiers coming back from the Second World War 257 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.879 and sort of put their psyche back together again. Well, 258 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:23.840 the theory goes that not only while they were working 259 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:25.600 on that, they were figuring out, well, if we can 260 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:28.519 put the psyche back together again, maybe we can reverse 261 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:30.960 engineer and figure out how to take the psyche apart 262 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:33.639 and then put it back together the way that we 263 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:44.120 want to. And so they got into researching mass behavioral modification. 264 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:49.919 And again the theory is that the Beatles were also 265 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:54.320 influenced by people like Theodora Dorno, who was a member 266 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:58.960 of the Frankfurt School. They were social critics, sociologists, academics, 267 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:05.039 intellectual who didn't like They were sort of Marxist, excuse me, 268 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.920 Marxist leaning. They didn't like capitalism. They didn't like the 269 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:12.799 family unit. They believe that the family was sort of 270 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:17.880 led to fascism some pretty far out thinking. Well, the 271 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:21.559 theory is that EMI and the Tavistock Institute brought this 272 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:24.680 brought in one of these individuals by the name of 273 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:29.960 Theodora d'orno, and he helped sort of craft not the songs. 274 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.279 He didn't write the songs. He didn't write Please Please 275 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:36.079 me or she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he 276 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:41.799 he knew, for example, what what chords, what musical chords, 277 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:43.680 because he was a bit of a musician in his 278 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:48.000 own right, what musical chords could produce melancholy in someone 279 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:52.319 if they heard them, What sound waves could produce, you know, 280 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.680 certain emotions and certain thoughts, and that all of this 281 00:17:55.759 --> 00:18:00.240 went into into creating the Beatles. Again, if the if 282 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.720 the British Empire wanted to take the colony back, you know, 283 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:06.960 instead of using muskets, now they were using Rick and 284 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.279 Bocker guitars instead of red coats. Now they have these 285 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:16.079 amazing harmonies. And when you look at what you know, Beatlemania, 286 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:20.319 and and and it was almost as if these young 287 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:22.200 people were in some kind of a trance. 288 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:29.079 Have you read Dave McGowan's book, We're Scenes Inside the Canyon. 289 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.880 Yes, I met Dave sadly he died obviously a number 290 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:36.440 of years ago, but I met him while I was 291 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:39.119 producing a television show and we talked about We talked 292 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:43.519 about that, We talked about Laurel Canyon, of course. Yeah, 293 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:46.440 a lot of a lot of a lot of interconnections 294 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:50.519 between US intelligence, the military. You mentioned the Bass and 295 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.880 Laurel Canyon and so forth. I did produce an episode 296 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.880 on Jim Morrison for the podcast. You didn't make it 297 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:01.799 into the into the the book, but this time I 298 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:05.079 couldn't get all forty episodes into the book. But there 299 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:07.440 may be, not promising, there may be a volume two, 300 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:10.920 and I'll definitely get into Did Jim Morrison and Laurel Canyon? 301 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.680 Yeah, Well, as you know, he kind of proposes that 302 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:20.640 a lot of these big bands, the reason that they're 303 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.200 push to the forefront and they have the machine behind 304 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:27.319 them is because they're a part of the military industrial complex. 305 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.720 One of their family members is as a high ranking 306 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:35.200 military officer or and whenever you when you look at it, 307 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:37.599 it's pretty shocking when you look at all the bands 308 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.200 and all the people that were that had family members 309 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.039 that were a part of this military industrial complex. Some 310 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:49.359 family members normally their dad is a part of as 311 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.599 a high ranking military officer, and that gets into well, 312 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.759 that's probably why a lot of these people that are 313 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.960 really talented, that really do have a really good gift 314 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.480 don't end up making it because, like George Carlin always said, 315 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:06.240 you're not a part of the club, right, You're not 316 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:10.200 a part of this because of your background. Your family 317 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:13.359 isn't a part of this entire thing. So therefore you're 318 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.680 not going to make it. You're not going to rise 319 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.799 the level of fame as these other people that do 320 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:21.759 have this in their background. And that's not saying that 321 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.680 people can't, because there are obviously some people that kind 322 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:28.359 of do slip through the cracks and do end up 323 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:32.079 getting in there, but it seems like it's reserved for 324 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:37.359 certain people and they're kind of cultivated and pushed in 325 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:39.759 this direction since they're a very young kid. 326 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:43.480 Well, certainly with Jim Morrison, Jim Morrison's father was an 327 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:46.720 admiral and he was involved in the Gulf of Tonkin incident, 328 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:51.359 which was the false flag that provided the justification for 329 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:58.039 the US involvement in Vietnam. I mean not so with 330 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:00.240 the Beatles, As far as I know, they weren't. Think 331 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:02.880 I think John Lennon's father was a merchant, member of 332 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:07.880 the Merchant Navy in Liverpool, but know that I could 333 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:10.960 find her that I'm aware of any military connections. But 334 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:14.960 I think in this case, you know, they served a 335 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.640 different purpose. I don't think they and I don't think 336 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:22.599 that they were witting participants in this. They wanted what 337 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:25.519 all young people wanted. They wanted, you know that they 338 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:28.680 were they were artists. They wanted they wanted some fame 339 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:31.119 and some recognition and you know, and to make a 340 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:35.160 good living. And again they got that. They got the 341 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:40.960 machine behind them, you know. I think with the Beatles, 342 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.119 it's interesting. You know, they were performing for a couple 343 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:48.200 of years in Hamburg and of course at the Cavern Club, 344 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:52.559 and uh they were they were performing mainly covers because 345 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.599 they weren't really established as writers at this point. Uh. 346 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.079 And then there is a there's a particular night in 347 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:05.240 December of nineteen sixty at a concert hall in Liverpool 348 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:08.599 and if you go there today, the hall is still 349 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:11.400 there and it's got a plaque on it. They call 350 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:14.519 it the birthplace of Beatlemania. Because it was on that 351 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:21.599 night where something changed where I mean, yes, the Beatles 352 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:23.839 were sort of the house band at the Cavern Club 353 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.920 and they performed, as I say, endlessly, several shows per night, 354 00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:30.079 like I think seven nights a week in Amburg, where 355 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:34.240 they really earned their chops. But something happened at one 356 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:39.839 specific night in Liverpool at that hall in nineteen sixty 357 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:45.279 where it just exploded and they became Beatlemania, and this 358 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.200 craze was born. And I actually get into that in 359 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:53.799 another chapter in the Beatles Enigma, section section one. This 360 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.079 chapter four and has to do with John Lennon, and 361 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:58.559 this gets out of sort of the realm of conspiracy 362 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:04.400 and more into suppose the supernatural and spiritual warfare, but 363 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:09.680 it has to do with John Lennon specifically and whether 364 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:13.799 or not he made a pact with the devil and 365 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:18.279 whether that packed actually was sort of begun that night 366 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:23.720 in nineteen sixty when Beatlemania was born. I interviewed an 367 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.000 author by the name of Joseph Nisgoda who wrote a 368 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.480 book called The Lenin Prophecy, and he gets into all 369 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:32.160 of the foreshadowing and John Lennon's not only in his 370 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:37.079 lyrics but again album covers and some of the things 371 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:39.759 that Lenin told you know, family and friends about wanting 372 00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:41.279 he was going to be bigger than Elvis and he 373 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.480 didn't care how he accomplished it. And you know, he 374 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:50.799 was going to be bigger than Jesus. And we get 375 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:54.200 into the foreshadowing and again obviously it ends up in 376 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.319 New York City in nineteen eighty with Mark David Chapman, 377 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:03.799 and whether Mark David Chapman was more than just a 378 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.559 programmed assassin, whether he was in fact sort of the 379 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.519 individual that was sent to collect the bill, if you will, 380 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:15.279 he was there to close the contract. 381 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:20.880 Talk to me more about this supernatural element, because we 382 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:26.440 get this with a lot of these early musicians like this, 383 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:29.079 you know, we get it with the Doors. I mean, 384 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:33.759 he's obviously tripping on some drugs and all this. We 385 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:35.880 get it with Ozzy Osbourne. We get it with a 386 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.759 lot of these people that tend to have like this 387 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:46.240 supernatural experience preluding their rise to fame. So what was 388 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:50.079 this with the Beatles. 389 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.160 Well, specifically with you with John Lennon was just as 390 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:56.920 I said, the theory according to Joseph NICs Gooda, and 391 00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:59.480 I should say, you know, when writing this book, and 392 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:04.039 in producing the podcast called The Rock and Roll Twilight Zone, 393 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:07.079 I leaned heavily on some great researchers and authors, and 394 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:10.880 so the podcast was kind of produced in a documentary 395 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:15.720 style where I would weave in two or three, you know, 396 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.880 interviews which were conducted either in person or over zoom 397 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.599 or skypro over the phone, and then sort of around 398 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:28.039 those interviews I constructed this narrative. So, for example, in 399 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:31.759 chapter four with John Lennon, it's called the Bargain, and 400 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:36.559 Joseph Knights Gooda again looks at the foreshadowing which he 401 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:41.880