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So anything you want to talk about of course, of
course we're going to talk about fourth of July and
pet safety. And for those you want to now right,
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So if this is real, if that was meant to be,
then yes I will let you in. So anyway, prepare
for your questions. A couple of things. Oh hello, hello,
oh c Neil. So remember a couple of had a
tough couple of cases the last couple of weeks. One
was the systotomy on the which is a bladder surgery
on the So, oh she does want to be my
live video, So hold on a second, we're gonna invite
you into Speccis. Don't go away. So one was the
giant Schnauzer two year old that had these I mean
thirty bladderstones to what was it crazy? And I mean
online I posted him. It was a tremendous picture. Anyway,
the dog is doing great. The second one is Prince.
Prince was the yellow lab that was thank god. That
was is the yellow lab who he ate a stuffed
little bear toy that his dad bought him, thinking how
cute for the dog to play with. Yeah, it was
so cute to play with it. And now, mind you,
this is a dog that already had intestinal surgery to remove.
I think it was either a socer or a towel
or something was gi track and of all things, to
give him a little toy this big oh my god,
Oh he was smaller than two seconds. So anyway, that
was also interesting. So let me I'm gonna review this request.
I'm gonna accept two of them. So anyway, they are
both doing great, which I'm thrilled. In fact, Tipper, who
is the giant Snauger, literally lives two doors down for me,
and so he have this beautiful balcony on the second floor.
And so which blast can you talk about? Blast? A bloat?
Oh okay, that makes sense. Clast we're going to talk
about that's comes the fourth of July. But bloat. So, yes,
we'll talk about bloat. That's a good one. So anyway,
so he sits down on his balcony and he barks
at everybody going by, and the hey staff, he barks
at everybody going by, and so but he he looks
we have this whole thing going on, and I can
go out on my front porch and say tipper tipper,
and he is standing. I'm afraid that he was gonna
want to jump off the second floor balcony, so I
gotta be really careful. But he is really really cute.
So anyway, let's talk about bloat. So basically, bloat is
a condition that we see mostly in large breed, deepchested dogs.
All right, and ah, this goes along with it. Is
it okay for dogs to drink water during outdoor play?
This all kind of sort of comes together when we
talk about bloat. Great question, thank you. And that is
this that dogs, these the large breed deep tested dogs,
basically they have a pendulous stomach, Okay, let me just swinging,
rocking back and forth. It's attachment does not The attachments
aren't great. So what happens is they will eat or drink,
and sometimes we don't even know exactly why it happens.
Sometimes they can lie on one side and roll over
to the other side. And if there's a lot of
water or ingest in the stomach, getting it gets weighing
that stomach down. Think about it. The body is moving,
but the stomach is weighed down, so it doesn't move.
It stays where it is, and in essence, the body
rolls over the stomach. Or in essence, then it's almost
if the body was fable and the stomach is rolling
over its own axis and it blocks off both ends.
It blocks off the esophageal end and the du dinol
end and basically yanks the type. So now what happens
is you have stomach gas. You have bacteria producing gas. Right,
there's fluid building up, and there's no place for it
to go. They can't vomit it up or burk it up.
They can't. It doesn't get through right at the bylorus,
which is that part of the stomach, leaving the stomach
going into the small intestine. So what happens is it
causes bloat. The stomach gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
They try to vomit and they can't. And you'll notice
if you have such a large, deep tested dog, you
will notice their abamen getting bl loaded, thus bloat, and
they are dry heaving. They're continually going as nothing's coming
out because they can't. It is a very very dangerous condition.
It is an emergency. And when I get calls that
air vet and with that history, you know, usually it's
a large red standard. Poodles, for example, can get this.
Great Dangs are notorious for it. Bertie's Mountain Dogs, new Fees,
all these large dogs that have a tendency to run around.
So now let's get to the question about drinking water
drink outdoor play. So what happens is when they are outdoor,
they will not drink necessarily just a small amount of
water that's going to satisfy them. No way. What they're
gonna do is they're gonna drink way too much. Now
that stomach, that muscular sack is sitting there very heavy.
Then the dog is running around, changing, turning, you know,
lying down, getting up, rolling, over whatever, and then that
stomach sits there and that yanks. It causes bloat, and
the only way to fix it is surgery and emergency surgery.
It is really dangerous. I've seen stomachs rupture. If it
happens in the middle of the night and you're sleeping,
you're going to wake up very possibly to a dead dog.
It is when you see it, you know, it's funny.
I talk about this a lot. We were out at
a cousin's house in New York and we were going
to be leaving that day. It was a Sunday and
there are two gorteous yellow labradors and one of them
was rent to the backyard trying to even even I'm
watching him every time I went outside, I'm watching him
and I'm noticing his stomach any bigger. And said, guys,
this is what We got to take him to a
vet right away. So it was a Sunday morning. Took
him to the vent for see. They were open and
lash I said that we don't have a doctor. The
gooser he said, I'll do the surgery, but there's some
legal issues, I guess because I'm not licensed in New
York whatever. So they called in an area because it
was an emergency, and the VET that does the surgeries
for them actually came in did the surgery and literally
literally saved this life. When we go in to the
surgery and to do this bloat surgery that we derotate sometimes,
I mean it's really dangerous. Sometimes you see part of
the stomach already black because of lack of blood supply.
It locked off the blood supply. Then you have to
do a procedure to remove that dead part of the stomach.
A lot of times the spleen is either going to
rupture or they automatically take off the screen as well,
and we have to do what's called a gastro PEXI,
which is we then attacks the stomach to the body
wall to prevent it happening in the future. And it's
a it's a major, major surgery. Ellen Burke, good morning, Doc.
I have a question I gave my dog Braveco took it.
That's few hours later he threw up. Was ah, it's
a good question. You If three hours, I would say
you're probably okay. Now Raveco is good for twelve weeks.
Might two want to maybe follow up in eight weeks.
By the way, By the way, everyone says, oh, twelve week,
twelve weeks. That's for fleas. There are certain ticks, especially
if you're in a tick laden area. After vecto is
only good for eight weeks, so it's not terrible. If
you have to is just go ahead and give the
prevecto at eight weeks later two months, just to be safe. Now,
if you start seeing a lot of fleas within then
after a month it's okay. You can give a second
one then too. But I would say after three hours,
I would expect eight weeks should be okay. At least
eight weeks would be okay. And again if you gave
it with food, maybe next time you get without food.
If you get without food, give it with food. An
any medication that's given to an animal could cause vomiting.
So I mean, for example, one of my favorite antibiotics
is called klavimox is the equivalent of human augmenting. Also
in many cases can cause vomiting. So you know it
is what it is. It's a really great antiboticis yeah,
I'm antibiotic. We use most for dog bites or any
kind of infection, skin infection that is a little deeper
where a simplest f which is the cephodoxeine, which is
one of the sephalless porn antibotics, which are great for skin.
They may not be if you have a deep infection.
That's why for bite wounds or deep punctures, I like
the augmenting better than in the stephless borns Okay, next, next, next,
So we got a number of you here now, so
let's talk a little bit about fourth of July. So
first of all, by show hens you can chime back in.
I want to know how many of you have pets
that seem to freak out during Fourth of July. And
I know some of you out there are or cat parents,
and do your cats freak out at all turing fourth July? Cats,
I don't think are bothered that much about it. I
have four cats, they are not. They could care less.
Now I have five dogs and luckily for me, they
could care less as well. So I don't know exactly
what it is, but we do have some solutions, and
we have short term solutions, and we also have long
term solutions. Long term solutions too late, too late to
start now, so this gear up for next year maybe,
but short term here's what we recommend. First, of all,
let me know, if I'm just curious, how many of
you have dogs that are very, very sensitive to loud sounds,
to blast, to thunder and lightnings. It usually the same thing,
by the way, thunder and lightning, if there's some construction
going on next door, things like that that could cause
a lot of anxiety and fear in these dogs. Is
that it's that fear of the very loud sounds. What
is the association? I don't know now. One thing, I
will tell you that if a dog a lot, just
so you know, a lot of times we have created
this anxiety, this fear, and we've done it not intentionally,
but it's unintentional, and it's because what happens. The classic
example is a dog we aren't showing some fear response
to these loud sounds, and they want to hide, they
want to go under furniture, they might want to rup
to you. So what do we watch our natural inclination,
our national pet parent instinct, when it comes to any
of our animals showing some fear behavior. What do we do,
Just like with a kid, we coddle them. Oh, you
poor girl, you poor boy, come here, Come to dad,
come to mom. Oh it's Okay, it's okay, right, So
what have we just done? Inadvertently? We have just basically
praised them re reinforce that behavior through praise and comfort.
So now what does the dog learn? Oh my god,
this is great. Every time I hear this sound, I
run to mom, I run to dad. I get these hugs,
I get these kisses, I get a treat. Life is wonderful,
life is grand. So what do we see. We see
dogs that when it comes to fourth in July, they
are now have this prior experience that, Wow, this is great.
I don't really care about this sound that much, but
you know what, I love the fact that when I
show fear, I'm getting all these hugs and kisses and
I'm getting a treat. So the goal is for now,
if you do have a dog that's actually in fear,
we want to put them in their own quiet room,
maybe with windows closed. Maybe get some nice music. Interestingly,
a lot of dogs respond well to classical music. I'm
not a huge fan, but your dogs maybe, And so
you want to play some soft classical music, Maybe put
the TV on and put the TV on with some
you know, maybe some kind of show that might be
a little look at cartoons or something something that may
be a lot of noise on a lot of images
that they can you know, follow and that will distract them.
And you try to drown out the sound of the
fireworks through the music or the TV. So that is
that is a possibility. And give them their food, give
them a little treat, give us some to play with.
So basically, let them sort of find relaxation and to
stop them from the fear by putting them in their
own safe, quiet room. What you don't want to do.
What you don't want to do is leave them outside
by themselves. You don't. They will hop a fence sometimes
they get so fearful it's amazing what they do destruction wise,
and they will get escape. And if they do, they
are going to freak and they are going to run.
They're going to possibly get hit by car. It is
very dangerous. So you do not put them outside, even
in what you think is a secured fence. To your
heart is keep them inside, windows, close, muse it going,
maybe the TV on, and that's the best way to
keep them quiet. And as far as longer term, will
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you already. Uh he runs reads us every time he
hears a loud noise. You see, all right? And uh,
let's see Jerry account of the dog does not care.
The Australian freaks out, shepherd freaks out. That's unusual. Also,
here's what we want to do conceptually. Now it might
take a little bit. Uh yeah, you see. Rain is
another one. And let me tell you there's something. Let
me tell you something fascinating about dogs. Okay, if you're
anyone into weather, there is something that happens prior to
a rain storm, and usually with rain comes power and lightning.
So yeah, no, we're gonna talk about the fourth of July.
So that's that's coming up, Keith. So anyway, and that
is that that the so they have a sense about
being able to feel the changes in barometric pressure. So
what happens and when it first happens, they don't know
what it means, they know it. And then what happens
a day or two later the rain and the thunder
and lightning, and that starts freaking them out. So I
get calls from people I've already heard on the news
all right or the weather report that we have a
big storm coming. And people are calling me, say, my dad,
my dog is acting really weird, shivering, hiding, and I know,
you know why. They can sense that change of parametric pressure.
They are already reacting, pre reacting to the upcoming rain
and thunderstorm, and that's what freaks them out. So they're
making that association as soon as they feel that change
of parametric pressure, which is why a lot of times
they know your dogs should predict a rainstorm. When you
see that behavior, you know something's coming on. So anyway,
let's talk about the load noising. So what we can do. Well,
first of all, let's go one thing, because Keith is
on and he asks, what can we do? So besides
the quiet room and the TV and maybe a music playing,
all the windows closed, et cetera, you may if you
have a dog that really freaks out, speak your veterinarian.
You can do try things is mild as benadru about
twenty one milligran per pound twenty five pound dog one
adult benado it's twenty five milligrants. If it's a fifty
pound dog, give two, seventy five, give three. That can do.
You could also look for something more natural. Any of
the calming formulas my chill might help, which is valerian passion,
flower camameal el trip to fan, melatonin. All these things
can help naturally. If your dog really freaks out, Hey, doc,
call your bet. I need some of that xanax. I
need some of that. It's brombasine. I need some of
that trasidone. You may need something that is heavier duty,
and that's okay. But of course my goal would be
to plan ahead for next year already. So yes, if
you need if you need medication, Keith, come and call me.
We'll get you some trasidone. So and I always say
when it comes to things like krazodone and xanax, if
it doesn't work for your dog, but your dog is
driving you crazy because the fear you could take it,
it'll relax you at least, so you want to have
to worry so much about your dog, Okay, But anyway,
so here here's what the best thing I think is,
and it's it is very challenging at first because it
takes a while. That's why I said, you can't if
you do this starting tomorrow, it's not gonna work. You
don't have enough time. The goal here is to take
when we train dogs, well, how we train there a
positive reinforcement and a lot of times you want to
desensitize them to that that is upsetting to and not
only desensitize them, which is just you can stop right there.
But better yet, counter conditioning them to really want to
like it instead of having them fear loud sounds. Have
them well, let's look vote to the loud sounds in
a good way, not in a bad way. They come
to you for hugs and kisses, but in a good way.
They come to you for their treat. How do we
do it? So you can down though? Now? I mean
years ago I used to tell people to do to
tell yeah, how long I've been picing to get a
cassette of of of you know, a sound effects tape.
Then it had the you know, the beeping of the
of the big buses or construction trucks when they're making
all this noise, the backup the trash trucks. It would
have thunder and lightning. It would have fireworks, sonic booms,
all that stuff. Okay, and so what will you do
then is you start playing it very same thing now,
but you don't have to get a tape a tape.
These sound effects right online download them that you can
pick it up. So you get Fourth of July fireworks
or just fine works, and you start put them in
a room with you there and you play pay play
it so low you can't hear it. Remember, their their
ears are very sensitive. They can pick up tones that
we don't hear, okay, so when it's a very low decibel,
they can pick it up. And you they call them over, sir,
zones or noises, come whatever name you want to give it, okay,
and they come here. That's a good boy, good girl,
and give a treat. Okay. And you do this a
couple of times at that level. Then they do the
to do this like two, three, four times a week.
Then you go you increase the volume a little bit more. Still,
now it's barely you can barely hear it, but they
can hear it. Oh my god, sounds or got a
blast wherever you want to call it, and you come
over and give a treat. So it's so low it
doesn't bother them, but they do hear it. So now
what's gonna happen is when they hear this sound, they're
gonna run to you and they're gonna get a treat.
But calmly, they're nice, good boy, and that's it. So
what happens is you increase the volume every training period,
every every other training period, increase the volume of more
until you get to the point and this could take
a month, it could take two months where it is
blasting and they're company you tail wagging. Is they're gonna
get their treat. So it's a it's a it's a
very different thread. They're looking at it as a good
thing instead of a bad thing. Instead of fear, give
to hear sense joy because the association has totally changed
from something that is, as they said, a fearful stimulus
to something that is soothing, something they like, and they're
gonna associate it with something positive because they're gonna get
their treat. They're gonna get to be with you in
a good way. And so they no longer are they
gonna be running for cover. They're gonna be sitting at
your feet, coming up with the couch, just sort of
head on your lap and just it's it's they're gonna
be They're not gonna have that anxiety. You won't need
the trasidonne, you won't need the sanax, the ace bromosine,
the chill, the benadryl, nothing, because to them, it's gonna
be a positive instead of a negative type of reaction.
So if you do it, and you do it slow,
it works really really well. Okay, let's see you. So
tomorrow I have a surgery coming up and it's fortunately
but enough to do it very often if I've had
a couple of weird surgeries coming up, I had to.
If you remember, I took a mass off of the
cat a catch thigh and it was a vaccine induced
star coma, which is why again we only vaccinate cats
in a thigh because if they get this feline vaccine
to douce star cooma, we can save their lives by
amputating a limb. So this was one that I thought
I was kidding myself, of course, but I thought I
could get it. If not all most I did a
pretty dramatic surgery. I figured better this and have to
go back in again than the amputating a leg right
off the bat. So sure enough it went great. Came
back just the other day with a little teeny nodule.
This literally this bait, so I mean, and I can
get my hand out of it. So I said, you
know what, let's not wait, let's get it off right away,
and took it off. Remains to be seen. I cut
pretty deep. I'm hoping that if you can get under
it and since this was in a thigh, I was
able to have to go through the muscle. I was
able to shoot her. I cut a piece of muscle
with it, suture the muscle back together. The cat should
do fine. And speaking of cats, as I told you
this right here. So what happened was, as I was saying,
a lord of this cat, a sweet, sweet cat, all
of a sudden the cage door is open. I'm pet
in it, and it tried to make a beeline. I
had two dogs sitting the treatment room floor with my texts,
and here this cat was going to jump out of
the cage, and where was they going to go? It
made me a dog's mouth, so I quickly, as it's coming,
I slammed the dorse and on the way the problem
that goes into the latch on the side of the cage.
I close. It hit me literally, so the cage here
right ends about here. But this thing was sticking out
to here and I didn't realize it, and that thing
clumped me right in the head, opened up a gash.
They all thought I should go get stitches. I didn't
want to go. At first. I couldn't leave the practice.
Come on, I had tentyepoited to see me. So we
made a little butterfly bandage and it actually looks pretty
good now, so it'll you know, it's another battle scar
like I have plenty already from years and years. My
thumb now, as you can see, is just starting to heal. Mark.
Can't you see that right there? My thumb? So that
was that was last week I had. I think I
talked about this two bites same day, both from French bulldogs,
but different Frenchies at different times of the day. So, uh,
they're heal pretty good. I heal one good thing. I
heal really fast. I think you know, they knew when
I was going to become a veterinarian, when I was
probably in my mom's womb. I uh I was. I
was already made to heal very quickly, and I heal
really quickly. I rarely scar so and most people can't
even see my scar my face here from the dog
bite when I was five years old. And uh so, anyway,
I'm a lucky guy. So anyway, so that's the the
solution of fourth slies. That so anyway, I do have
two surgeons coming up. Anal glands. Anal glands are problem
I'm sure all of you have dogs that have had
their anal glands squeeze, but this dog needs it like
every week. It's getting very frustrated for the owners. And
there's a solution in that is an to remove the
anal glands. The surgery in the hands of someone who
knows what they're doing and how they're doing it is
fairly routine. But I got to tell you if your
veterinarian does not do or has not done a number
of these have it done by a surgeon because the
anal wreck the recti muscles that circle the anal gland
are sitting right under the anal glands. If you cut
too deep removing that anal gland, and you cut those muscles,
then you have an anus that cannot open and close
and guess what happens. You can imagine what happens. Proop
has following out. Whatever gets there, it's no way to
the dog can control it. So it's a delicate. It's
like a thyroid surgery. When I do thyroidectomies, when I
have thyroid cancer patients. You know it's it's really not
that difficult, but you have to know what you're doing,
and it's very very delicate because the thigway plan is
saying usually right on top of a vegel nerve, right
on top of the jugular vein. I have pictures when
I'm removing a thighways of showing the vein right there,
and it's, you know, it's a pretty you know that,
it's it's a jugulars it's a big vein, and it's
sitting right there. In fact, if you hold your neck
you can see it pop up. That's exactly sitting right
under a thighroid gland. So again, as long as you
have your if your vet has experience doing it, then
go by all means, go for it. If not, have
it referred. But it is a good surgery, and so
that's a that's a good one. And then the next
thing I'm doing is called a colo PEXI I think
I'm doing this one tomorrow. So this dog is a
French bulldog. It happens a lot of times in fronties
pugs for some reason, these short faced dogs. And what
happens is they they're when they they're anal tissue. Their
colon actually is called the rectal prolapse, where the inside
of the colon it's almost like they're pushing so hard
to poop that the tissue from within the colon actually
pops out and it protrudes out. It's ugly. Usually you
can stuff it back in with your finger, a glove finger,
of course, and you do. It's called the purse string
suture you put around it where you close the gap
so it's only small enough for soft school stools to
come through. Leave it in for three weeks. Sometimes you
check it every week, and when it's everything state in
place for that long, you can roove the future. Hopefully
you'll be good. I've had it. Usually sometimes I have
to do twice. Well I've already done three times on
this dog, and I said, if it happens again, then
we're gonna have to do the colon PEXI. So now
it's a surgery, but we have to go in. We
have to literally pull the colon a proximately forward until
it reduces the prolapsed tissue, and then we tack the
actual colon to the body wall so now it can't
push it out. And it's again not a fun procedure,
but it's a very active. So that's I think one
of my things I'm doing tomorrow. All right, More and
more waving yes, yes, yes, map Toomey. Hello, guys. Well
I'm fine, Christina. Just you know it would look apparently
look worse than it felt because my texture all was saying, oh,
you probably have to go get stitches. No, no, it's okay,
I'm good, I'm good, all right. I think I think
I waved everybody all right. So as far as forth
of July, I hope your dogs either do well already
as mine do, or you're prepared to get some medication
if you need it, try to do it, but certainly
the quiet room, TV on, music on, whatever the case
may be, windows closed, and good food, good treats, and
try to distract them. What you don't want to do,
and I hate to sound mean, what you don't want
to do is coddle them too much, because that is
just going to reinforce the behavior. You're better off just
let it be by the side, make them as comfortable
as you can if you have to, you know doing it.
And also if you are, like many, going to to
have that family fourth July barbecue as many of us do, again,
make sure fatty foods, raw onions, corn on the cob,
stay away from corn cobs. Okay, that is really really
potentially dangerous. Speaking about intestinal surgery, there's one that's almost
a gimme. If that dog, I don't care how big
a dog swallows that corn cob in that piece, quarter
or half or whatever you cut. However you cut your
corn on the cob, that is going to be a
potential disaster. I can't tell you, over my forty plus
years of doing this, how many corn cob surgerys have
had to done. All A lot, unfortunately too many. So
and there's there's really no way around it. There's no
way that cob is getting through the elos Coo Cola junction,
and oftentimes it even gets stuck way before that, So
be really careful. And again, they love the meat, so
make sure that you don't. If you're gonna give them
a little food from the barbecue, make sure it's not
it's lean, not that fatty and boat. If you're gonna
do steaks, keep the bones away. No steak bones in general,
they're too hard. They're gonna get the marrow out. Marrow
is too fatty. Avocado, you're gonna make it a dip, Okay,
if you're gonna make it a you know, a good
guacamole dip. Again, Avocado a little bit is fine, remember
the food avaderm. But too much is gonna cause pancretitis.
Things that are really fatty are potentially dangerous. And of
course if you have a big dog that loves and
jumps up on a counter, if you're not watching them,
they'll jump up on the grill and then you got
a burnt nose, burnt feet, whatever it is. You just
just watch them. Keep it and again, what you're throwing away,
make sure it's way out of reach for a dog,
because your garbage, right is their dinner. They they love it,
that's their feast. So you gotta be really careful again, okay,
so correct Yeah. Oh, if it's cook steak or chicken
and lean your cut the fat off keys, absolutely fine.
No skin chicken, chicken skin. And but but again sometimes
if they're seasoning a lot of times before you put
the steak, you got the lowries, you got them whatever
you're seasoning it with, that may be too much for them.
So if you want to, if you're anticipating getting your
dog some of your hamburger, some make sure it's pure
meat on the grill. No, uh not not highly seasoned
and okay, And so for all of you, have a
great week, have a wonderful Fourth of July. Keep your
dogs safe and of course your cat. For some reason,
I don't like cats, don't standing dollar and anyway, maybe
because they're into only then you know what the sound is.
Then they don't come to you for cuddling anyway. So
and other than that, we will see you here next Sunday,
the same bat time, the same back channel here on
pet Life Radio, here on Instagram. Thanks for joining me,
and but during the week. By the way, if you
have any questions, you don't have to wait till Sunday.
You can always get a hold of me, doctor Jeffy
Petlife Radio dot com. You can get me on here
on Instagram just words underscore dBm. Tell your friends to
start following me on Instagram only because that way, hopefully
I can help them with their pets as well. And
I I always say I have a number of my
good friends that are way more Instagram savvy than I am,
and and they collaborate with me. They say they mentioned me.
Michael Hern for example, is a gem. He's been so helpful.
Casey Montoya, all these people that are I love that
that sort of share their wealth, if you will with me,
so have a great week everybody, and we'll see you
next week. And stay safe.
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