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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Off of a weekend that has seen Jana beck A

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limb Canulu successfully defend his IBF middleweight title in Australia,

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a weekend that has seen Nick Ball make it through

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a very interesting title defense where he ends up Ko

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and Ronnie Rios, and retaining his WBA featherweight title in England.

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Speaker 1: We are ready to talk about both of those.

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Speaker 2: Give you some news, give you some nostalgia, and much

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more on the Fight Freaks Unite recap podcast. Hello, and

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welcome back in. I'm merely the somewhat competent host TJ.

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Speaker 1: Reeves.

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Speaker 2: He's our insider. Fight Freaks Unite is the substack and

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the email newsletter you need to be subscribing to that. Hello, Dan, Rayphael,

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good to have you back aboard here.

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Speaker 1: Off of the.

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Speaker 2: Weekend plenty to go over, My God, can we get

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out of hurricane season in the Gulf South, the Gulf

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of Mexico, the state of Florida, because as we do

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this very podcast, yet another hurricane may be threatening my

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beloved state. Milton, I'm Milton Burrow, the comedian. Now we're

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really dating ourselves, so we go back to him. He

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was Uncle Milty. This is Hurricane Milty that is in

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the Gulf of Mexico and maybe a serious threat to

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the state of Florida. At the time we're doing this,

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it is Sunday night into Monday. It is still days

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from being here. We got to be vigilant, Dan Rayphiel, so.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll know how bad it was if we have

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a podcast on Thursday night that is true.

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Speaker 2: Does Reeves have power? Is he still alive? Does he

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have four feet of water? In all seriousness, like everybody

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else it's been dealing with this, it's just been a mess.

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Speaker 3: But they're taking it seriously. Our friends at Probox TV,

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they've postponed their card this coming Wednesday, where Chris Kolbert

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was in the main event, to make it the following Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: So right here, it's plant City, Florida, which is about

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thirty minutes to the east of me, towards the middle

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of the state, and there's a lot I mean, school

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is postponed Dan from most of the state of Florida

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for the for the next three or four days. And again,

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the west coast of Florida already took damage from Hurricane

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Helene back two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Here we go again.

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Speaker 3: So they take as much damage as Andre Mcalovich.

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Speaker 1: Yes, good segue from a boxing standpoint.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we got all things, all worlds in focus here.

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Make sure you're following or subscribing on the podcast feed here,

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and let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's start right there with Janebec's win.

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Speaker 2: Now, we should say to the audience, you and I

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talked briefly about this fight on the bet Us Boxing show,

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but we haven't given a full accounting of it.

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Speaker 1: That's what the recap podcast is all about.

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Speaker 2: This was Friday morning, US time, Friday night in Australia,

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and Janebec does get the win. I really believed that

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this was going to be over with, like in the

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second or third round, the way that it looked, it

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ended up being a longer fight. Jandebec retains, all right,

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your thoughts on what you saw from Australia.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean both of the two title fights that

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we're going to talk about, this fight with Janebek and

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also the Nick ballfight, there was one common thread, which

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is that the two opponents that look to be completely

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outgunned going into the fight were indeed completely outgunned in

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the fights, but they also showed in more enormous toughness

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and heart and resiliency to make it through when it

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looked at its worst where they were maybe going to

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be looking at an early knockout loss, and that sort

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of made both fight. It's dramatic despite being one sided.

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So this fight, like the other one, it was an entertaining,

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exciting fight, There's no doubt about that. But you made

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the point that with Mikalovich, like it looked like he

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was in the out of there early. The dechasm of

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talent between Janebec and Mkalovich is massive. It's like a

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grand kingon of talent once you've watched them in the

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ring with each other. Remember, Janebec is a seasoned amateur.

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He was an Olympian, you know, he has grown up

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in this sport for most of his life. And at

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this point, even though he doesn't have big time opposition

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to fight, unfortunately, of what is there in the middleweight

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division at the moment, I think you'd be hard pressed

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to make a real legitimate argument that he's not the

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number one middleweight in boxing. Now, that's sort of like

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you know, you're the heavyweight champ of the Bahamas, I guess,

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but it is what it is he is the number

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one guy who won sixties. It seems to me and

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Mikalovitch he looked apart. He sure talked a lot of shit.

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the fight, and you know he's the one who was

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getting killed in that sense. But you mentioned about the

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second round. This was a absolutely dominating, just you know,

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destructive round where fight maybe could have been stopped. There

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was some confusion and some in my opinion, some criticism

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to the referee that was not warranted because you heard

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the sound in the late part of the round that

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sounded like the bell, and the referee did not call

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them apart and let the continue. And during that period

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of time it was when janeback landed a shot and

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just absolutely pounded Mikalovich, who went down for the knockdown.

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was one hundred percent right, that was not the bell.

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was confused by some people. So Mikalovitch made it to

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his feet and then the bell rang and the round ended.

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some kind of controversy there it would have been more

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controversial had the referee interceded and not given jannibc Tho's

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last ten twelve seconds where he scored the knockdown. In

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any event, that was the first knockdown, and from there

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on he just looked basically, you know, all credit to

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the heart that Mikalovitch displayed, and that's the only time

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that he was officially down. But he got his clock cleaned.

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I mean, he got absolutely pummeled and pounded and destroyed.

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It showed a great heart. And then in the later

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part of the eighth round are the In the ninth round,

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rather as Jennet big Is teen off on him, he

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clobbresm with a shot and he went into the ropes

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and kind of squatted on the ropes. I mean, I

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guess you could.

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Speaker 1: Only I thought it was the only thing that kept

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Speaker 2: I thought it had have been down had he not

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landed on the bottom strand of the ropes. Clearly hurt again,

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and he had been taking We can't emphasize that, you

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just did. He was taking punishment round after round after round.

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you're right, the rogues did hold him up, but it

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didn't turn out the matter because he didn't call it

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a knock inn. Instead, the referee simply waved off the

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fight because he had been taking so much punishment. So

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there was the one official knockdown that we just talked

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about that took place in the second round, and then

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the ref not stop the fight, but it was a

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worthy stoppage. But when you take a look at the

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official scorecards when the fight was over, you had jannet

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on two score cards. One of the judges somehow managed

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to have at seventy eight to seventy three, which actually

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gave Mikalovitch two rounds, which to me, honestly, we talked

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about the range of acceptable scores and fights. To me,

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the range of acceptable scores in this fight was a shutout.

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I don't see how you could even find a singular

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round to give them Mcalovitch. Not to say he didn't

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try hard and show a great heart, and credit to

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him for that, but this was a man and a

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boy This was an absolute one sided ass whooping. And

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you know, I have to give janetback credit because he

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had all the issues that took place in July where

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he didn't make the and passed out and they had

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to cancel the fight. It went to the purse s

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bid and now the purse bid takes place. The other

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team side wins over top rank, which is Jenebex from

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what I hunt by one thousand dollars, sends him all

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the way to Australia. He gets to Australia. I mean

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what he did to go through with this fight. First

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of all, he didn't really from what I understand, didn't

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start training camp until the persband was done and he

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knew the fight was happening twenty nine days ahead of

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the fight, has to travel to Australia, has to make

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the weight, has to do a second day way check

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for the IBF on the morning of the fight, and

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was only in Australia sixty hours prior to the bout.

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Speaker 1: So he got there Like, that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I saw you report that in your sub stack that

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a lot of times fighters will take longer to acclamate,

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but you were pointing out he was not training in

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the United States, he was training in Kazakhstan or Kazakhstan, right, yeahaak.

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So so what was it that much of a time?

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Speaker 1: Different?

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Speaker 2: Same thing, like half a day, because it is that

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he was only there two or three days before the fight.

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Speaker 3: That's trying now. First of all, if you if you

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go to do a fight under a purspit in the IBF,

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the promoter of the fight that wins the purspit is

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only obligated to give you three days in the hotel,

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coach airfare like you don't get true. That's why it

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behooves people, in my opinion, to make a deal if

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the money is you know, reasonable, because you're typically able

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to negotiate. You know, ten days are into site, nice accommodations,

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first class travel or business class travel whatever, and those

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things can make it different. So I think, you know

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now they maybe they upgraded themselves and spent their own money.

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the top rank, had they wanted to, they would have

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probably given him a little bit extra money to get

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there sooner and taken care of those expenses that we're

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not going to be paid for by No Limit boxing.

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But let me just say this about if you get

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there sixty sixty hours ahead of time. Sometimes it's if

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you're not going to get there ten days or a

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week beforehand, go at the last minute till you don't

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have to redo your body clock.

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Speaker 2: So I just did the checking, because we we always

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analyze and research and do whatever. Kazakhstan is nine hours

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ahead of Eastern time right now, which means it's about

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five hours behind Australian time. Australian time is fourteen hours

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ahead of us, so he had a five hour ahead

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time difference to contend with. That's a little better than

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half a day where your day is night and your

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night is day. I mean, in my world my day

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is night and my night is day most of the time.

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But I'm not a professional fighter. But that's a little

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different when it's only five hours. So it helped him.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, we're going.

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Speaker 3: And all the conversation leading into this fight was is

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he going to make the weight? That was all there.

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What I mean, I think if you knew ahead of time,

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he's going to be on weight and it's going to

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be in good shape. Nobody's picking Mkalivich to win the fight,

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but the great question was is he going to be depleted?

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Is he going to be drained? So the sixty hour thing,

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in my mind right off the bat, I'm like, Okay,

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they're going to cut it close on purpose because of

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the what you just mentioned about the time difference. So

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now when he made the weight at the official way in,

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obviously that's You're like, okay, that looks. That looks that's

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a good sign. And I saw the video of the

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way and he didn't look particularly drained compared to what

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I've seen with other fighters. But what really made me

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convinced that this was going to be an ass kicking

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was when not only did he make the weight at

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the morning of the fight weight check, but he was

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actually a little bit under the maximum that he was allowed,

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which as far as I understand, it's uh. They could

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have been as heavy as one seventy two twelve and

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a half percent of your body weight in the IBF

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in that weight class. So he made that without a problem.

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did the business. Now you know, if he can can

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everyon why he's gonna need to move up. Now we

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talk about the belts for a quick second. Here it

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was he is the unified IBF and WBO middleweight champion.

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the Mcalovich team did not they're the main they were

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the man to turn in the IBF didn't want to

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fight for the WBO, not because he didn't want another belt,

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because they fell from a strategic point of view, Let's

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do this. So we forced Jannebeck to do the morning

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of the fight waycheck, so we limit how much he

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can put on after the way in because typically what

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the what the IBF does is they require that morning

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of the fight waycheck. However, if it's a unified fight,

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because the other organizations don't have that rule, they waive that.

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And so they thought, okay, you know we're gonna you know,

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we're gonna be a weight bully. I mean, that's the definition. Really,

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they're gonna make him make that morning of waycheck. Now,

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at the last minute, the WBO, who was kind of

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ticked off. They didn't have a supervisor there. They were

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not involved with the fight that was announced in the

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ring if you saw the fight about him being the

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WBO champion even though he had the belt with him.

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They they put out a resolution saying they would sanction

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the fight. They would respect the IBF's rule of this

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of the morning of waycheck as long as the fighters

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followed their their championship rules. As it turned out they

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didn't do that apparently. I don't know what rule they

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broke up was in conversation with the IBF. I'm sorry

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with one of the w WBO people that I that

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I talked to a lot. They did not have a

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supervisor on hand as I said. Uh, from my understand,

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Matt Kalvich definitely didn't pay a sanctioning fee for the fight.

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It remains to be seen with Jannon back Will, So

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what the what the WBO did in the post fight

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was set out another resolution which is available on their

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website if you want to read it. They do what

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they call and it's not just an instances like this.

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They issued Jenebet a quote unquote show cause letter. They

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gave him five days to explain or make his case

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why they shouldn't strip him of the title because he

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went through with a championship fight. Uh, without following certain

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ib with WBO regulations and uh, it's I think he's probably.

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Speaker 2: Gonna Can I just say in the wave, I don't

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know what's okay?

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Speaker 3: W BO belt is definitely in jeopardy.

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Speaker 2: You've got I got you. You've gone into the weeds.

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Can I just say, oh, we do into the weeds?

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On the podcast, I understand this is yet another example

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of why people's eyes glaze over and these guys just

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make it up as they go along with and yeah,

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let me finish, let me, let me finish, let me finish.

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Because on Thursday in Australia, the WBO said this is

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for our title. I get your point that there had

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to be uh things that were followed, all right, I'm

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saying for the fan that's trying to keep up with this.

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Then we get to Friday and all through the broadcast,

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which was televised on ESPN Plus, they're saying the WBO

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is not sanctioning this fight. It's not for the WBO title.

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And so now if you're a fight fan, you're confused.

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: You just explained why, and now they're going to try

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to maybe strip him when he didn't lose his title

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in the ring because he didn't pay him enough money.

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This is stupid stuff. It's stupid stuff that makes fans crazy.

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Speaker 3: If I get I get the ire, but I also

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and I'm not excusing them. It should have been where

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they followed the rules. They shouldnt allowed Mkalovich to get

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away with just the one organization, but that happened. The

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IBF said it was willing and was going to sanction

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the fight when the two sides did not agree to

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that or follow the rules. They really put the WBO

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in a situation where they really have a choice but

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to not sanction the fight. And it was my first question,

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but can I just super You explained it's not going

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to be for the title.

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Speaker 2: You explain that, but can I just simplify it. The

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fight wasn't for the WBO title. He didn't lose.

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Speaker 1: He's still the WBO champion, just moving.

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Speaker 3: And he may be that for the next few days,

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but they're not going to let him get away with

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not following the rule.

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Speaker 1: Again, he didn't lose.

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Speaker 2: I know it's a non title fight because they didn't

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sanction it.

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Speaker 1: They had nobody there and he didn't lose, So why is.

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Speaker 3: That whether whether he has the WBO title or he

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doesn't have the title, he has the IBF belt. And

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even more so, I think it's like I said before

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this all started, was he's probably viewed by most people

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as the number one one middleweight, which is on the

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one hand, that's a nice thing. On the other hand,

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it's like, Okay, it's not a great division. So what

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Janebek did after the fight is what he's been doing

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for a while, or whoever runs his social media anyway,

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although he did say it in the ring, is calling

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out for the other champions. But I find to be

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hilarious is when they post their tweets, they're like, send

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us the contract. Well, dude, you're the guy with the

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two titles. You have a promoter. You can send them

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a contract. Also, it doesn't have to be one way streak.

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So he's talking about wanting to fight either Carlos Damas,

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who's the WBC champion, or Arislandi lar who is a

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WBA title holder. They're both with PBC. Frankly, they should

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fucking fight each other on one of the PBC cards

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and then we have you know, if he keeps the

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w BO belt, janebec will have one guy with two belts.

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One guy with two belts and let them fight for

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undisputed if you care. But the middleweight division is not

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good right now. I would pick janebec to beat Adamas

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or Lara, no disrespect. They're both good fighters, obviously, and

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I can't even say I'd be like super amped up

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for those fights. I mean I would look forward, I

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guess because it's a unification, but it's not like if

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I'm making my list of fights, I have to see

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that that would come to my mind.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this on the bet US show. Let's

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say it for this audience. Isn't maybe the most marketable

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fight to fight Hams of Sharaz And you talked to

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Frank Warren on this podcast feed that's his number one guy. Really,

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that's a contender at middle eight. That one makes sense

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and it would be a commercially here's your phrase, viable

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fight in England if you were to go there and fight,

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and they were talking about that fight at one point.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, making too much sense again.

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Speaker 3: Brother, I peel, that's not out of the realm of possibility.

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I mean, janebec is with top rank pop rings going

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doing a lot of business with the Saudi Arabian events.

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The co promoter of Tyson Fury. They're involved with the

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Better BV and Bible fight that's coming up on October twelfth,

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this coming Saturday, so it's not out of the realm.

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As I said earlier, they did, according to Top Rank

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and to Queensberry, make an offer to Jenebec to have

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gone to England to defend the title against Shiraz. That

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would have been on the Anthony Joshua Daniel do Wald

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card that was supposedly turned down. It would have been

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a seven figure pay day. He got a fraction of

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that to go to Ushow under the rules of the

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purse bid. His take on the purse bid was like

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two hundred and like two seventy or two eighty something

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like that, not a not a huge purse by relative standard.

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So yeah, I mean, and by the way, that would

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be a very good fight. I mean, Sharaz is the

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hottest min away in the division right now based on

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his recent performances, and Janebeck looked good in this fight

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and scored a knockout, So yeah, I mean, if you're

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looking to make some noise in the wage class, I

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actually think that would be a bigger deal in terms

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of fan interest and publicity and you know, be good action.

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Probably even a bigger deal frankly than if he was

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in one of the Unification fights, because Adamis is a

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good fighter but largely obscure. And Lara, you know, Lara's

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obviously a good fighter, but he's in the twilight of

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his career. And you know, Jennebec and Sharaz they're still

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on the younger side of things in terms of their

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pro careers, and you know, Sharaz is still you know,

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still in his twenties. So I mean, I would say,

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bring that on.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: That's more compelling than just about anything else that's out there.

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So that was on Friday, and then on Saturday, the

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main event of the Queens Queensberry Reed season card Liverpool, England.

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Liverpool's Nick Ball did deliver a knockout against a veteran

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in Ronnie Rios, and you and I believed this would

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be a distance type fight, that Rios, the veteran, would

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be tough. It looked like early that Ball was going

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to get him out of there was savage was all

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over him. But then I began to believe Rios is

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trying to cover up here and let Ball punch himself

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out maybe strategically for the back half of this fight.

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Took some punches, yes, but was blocking some punches. And

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the one key thing is he kept firing back, and

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he was firing back hard, hard shots. But Ball just

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overwhelmed him. I mean, if that was the strategy by Rios,

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Ball just stayed on the gas.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Ball got his nose busted up in this fight, so

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give me your analysis. He eventually gets the TKO, But

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Ronnie Rios deserves credit because he took some punishment, He

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had some strategy. It just didn't work. It didn't work

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because Nick Ball was better and savaged him for a TKL.

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Speaker 3: You know when they when they finally stopped the fight

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in the tenth round, just before the big flurry that

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Nick Ball landed to me, I'm like, Okay, the fight

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is sort of settled in here, and he's gonna continue

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doing it. He's gonna do and it's gonna go. It's

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gonna go the twelve round distance. But the fight ended

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suddenly where it looked like it was gonna end much earlier,

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as you mentioned, because you know, nick Ball came out

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as he always does. He was very aggressive, scored with

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some good shots in the first round, clearly winning the fight.

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Second round more of the same, third round scores. The

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knockdown has Ronnie Rios all kinds of trouble. And I

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think you're right though about the fact that that there,

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and their game plan on the Rio side was we

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know we're in tough, we know we're in with a

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super aggressive guy. There's those a million punches, but not

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a defensive wizard. He can be hit also, So let's

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just see if we can take some shots, cover up,

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high guard, chin down, you know, get in there when

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we can. But we know we're gonna have to take

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some shots. Let get this fight into the second half.

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Let's slow him down. And it just didn't happen because

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Nick Ball is still a younger fighter. He has that

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still that energy. He's not an old warn out guy.

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He still can do that at his age and lack

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of punishment that he has taken. And like you said,

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it was the right strategy. He just couldn't pull it

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off because Ball was that tough and strong. Ronnie Rios

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showed the biggest fucking heart in the world. I mean,

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Mikalevich did also, but in my mind, Rios even more so.

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He's you know, he's thirty four years old. He had

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fought for the junior featherweight junior featherweight belts twice before,

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had lost by decision to Ray Vargas back in twenty

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seventeen when Ray held the WBC belt. Took a twelfth

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round knockout loss in a w title fight in twenty

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twenty two. After that fight, you know, he basically I

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don't know if he actually retired, but he didn't fight,

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didn't fight from was two years, called up his people

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and said, list, I think I want to do this again.

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They put him back in the gym, said make sure

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you're getting self in shape. They talked about this on

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the broadcast also he did that. They brought him back

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in the spring. He got in a small fight and

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scored a knockout and it landed this fight. But there's

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a big difference between fighting. You know, the second kind

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of lower level type of opponent in his comeback fight

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that he did Nicholas Polanco. Now you're in the ring

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with Nick Ball, who's one of the hottest guys in

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the division. He's been active. This was his what fourth

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fight in eleven months, and it's been not just against bums.

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He's fought good guys. I mean in November last year,

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so we're talking, you know, less than a year ago.

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He has a big win against dog Bay, really dominating fashion,

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knocked him down one a decision, had the draw in

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read on the five on five cart a split draw

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against ray Vargas, challenging for the WBCs. Had a lot

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of people thought that Nick won that fight, shook that off,

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came back just a three months later, less than three

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months later, had a spectacular fight, totally good action fight,

472
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,720
won a split decision over ray Ford to win the title,

473
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,119
and is now back in there. You know, less than

474
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,799
four months later. In this fight with Ronnie Rios, he

475
00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:00,680
put on a good performance. What you say. He scored

476
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,359
a knockdown in round three, scored a knockdown in a

477
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,359
round seven, uh, scored the big knockdown in round ten,

478
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,319
and did the fight. I think you can make the

479
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,680
argument he's the number one featherweight in the world at

480
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,599
the moment. I mean, it's unlike the middleweight division, which

481
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,039
we've discussed at length about how terrible it is. If

482
00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:19,319
you take a look at what's going on in the

483
00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:21,200
featherweight division, there's a lot of good talent down there,

484
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,039
because the other champions you're talking about Ray Vargas, who's

485
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,079
you know, got a draw with him in a close fight.

486
00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:29,240
However you scored the fight. He got Rafael Espinoza, who

487
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,880
scored the huge upset win over Robaesi Ramirez at the

488
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,640
end of last year and has made one defense. They're

489
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,720
looking towards a rematch. Angelo Leo is coming off a

490
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,000
big win to get the title. Uh that he just

491
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,480
just won. And now nick Ball, you got Brandon Figueroa

492
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:43,119
sit in there with one of the internbouts. That's a

493
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,279
lot of talented guys, a lot of interesting fights that

494
00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:48,480
you can make. But Nick, I think because of that

495
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,839
that that good recent record and uh, you know with

496
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,640
beating ray Ford, beating Rios and the draw with Vargas

497
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,079
plus Dog Bay, those are good wins right now. But

498
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,640
this was a very exciting fight.

499
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:00,279
Speaker 1: Yep.

500
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 3: I think that Ronnie Rios in this, you know, he

501
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,680
didn't win, maybe but maybe you could be talking to

502
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,960
that again acceptable scores. Obviously this ended at anaka. Maybe

503
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,000
you could have given Ronnie two rounds. He did that

504
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,480
in the middle of the fight. I think there was

505
00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:15,440
one round where nick Ball was maybe taking the round

506
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,519
off that that he may have won. He worked, He

507
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:19,799
worked to the body very well.

508
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,079
Speaker 2: He busted I mean he busted Nick Ball's nose. I mean,

509
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,480
I know, I sent you a message and you're like,

510
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,519
stop messaging me. I said, there's blood all over that

511
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,400
ring from Ball's nose. I mean, there was certainly some

512
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,799
concern here about how big a factor is that going

513
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,039
to be.

514
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,519
Speaker 1: Rios just couldn't take advantage of it.

515
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean, the uh, the

516
00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:40,200
it wasn't so much. I didn't think that Nick Ball.

517
00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:42,920
It wasn't the devastating punching power because I don't think

518
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,720
he is that big of a puncher. It's that he

519
00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:46,759
threw a lot of punches. He was very accurate with

520
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:49,039
the punches. You're in with an older guy who hasn't

521
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,799
really been in the ring with a top guy for

522
00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:53,119
a number of years, and it's going to take its toll.

523
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,359
And now I was kind of wondering, though, how is

524
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,599
Nick gonna deal with like the hoopola of being at home?

525
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,640
That was like a big part of this fight. Fighting

526
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,319
in Liver he spoke about how he literally lived so

527
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,039
close to the arena where they boxed in that he

528
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,559
thought maybe on the night of the fight he was

529
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,480
going to walk to the arena. That's how close two

530
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,960
minutes away, he said. Now, he has fought plenty of

531
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,799
times in his curer in Liverpool, but a had never

532
00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:16,119
fought in that arena. That's like the big arena in

533
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,960
the town. And he also hadn't fought in Liverpool since

534
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960
twenty twenty. You got to go all the way back

535
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,319
to when Nick was boxing as a prospect in you know,

536
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,440
little undercard six rounders. So this was like a big deal.

537
00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:29,079
They've had a big crowd there, so you never know

538
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,400
how a fighter is going to react to that. He

539
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,279
did very well in terms of that. He took off

540
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:35,599
the you know, the the blood from the nose. I

541
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,119
mean there was at one point between rounds they take

542
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,359
a shot of them, you know, working on him, and

543
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,200
he's sitting on the stool and they got the two

544
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:44,680
giant you know, cotton balls stuck up his nose. I mean,

545
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,920
that's never a good sign. I think if you're that guy,

546
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,160
he got those two cotton swabs jammed up your nose

547
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,880
and the blood's going down your throat and coming out

548
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,880
the nose. You got to take a couple of seconds

549
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,400
probably when that's happened to go what the fuck am

550
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,039
I doing here? What am I doing well?

551
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:58,799
Speaker 2: And then you find out, I mean, that's adversity, and

552
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:01,079
then you find out what the guys made of and

553
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,480
we saw what he was made of to finish it off.

554
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: So but I just you've already hinted that good things.

555
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to say that I want to

556
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,279
talk about the finish of the fight for okay, go ahead,

557
00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,880
go ahead. The finish of the fight was about as

558
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,440
ferocious sequence as you can see in boxing. Because Ronnie Rios,

559
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,480
as I said, I thought this fight's going twelve because

560
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,079
it was kind of settled in and Ronnie had maybe

561
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,839
taken around off. I'm not saying he took his fuck

562
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:27,680
completely off the ass, but he was going through his stuff.

563
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,400
But he wasn't like truly, I didn't feel like going

564
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,279
for it. He knew he was winning the fight obviously.

565
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,480
In that tenth round though, when he had the opportunity

566
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,200
and I was counting, he ripped off like an extended combination.

567
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,880
He had to have thrown about twenty to twenty five

568
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,480
punches and he connected with a whole bunch of them

569
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,920
rights last, a lot of them. Uppercuts, but tremendous. Yeah,

570
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,000
when you're really short like Nick Ball, and a guy's

571
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,480
coming towards you and he leans a little bit, that

572
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:57,440
uppercut is very effective. But he just ripped off that

573
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:01,160
combination right hand, left hand, and it was such a

574
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,880
powerful group of punches that when Rios went down, he

575
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,039
basically fell through the ropes.

576
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna fall out of the ring,

577
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:10,119
did you.

578
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: Think, Thankfully he didn't. I didn't use about the ring

579
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,400
because he was the apron was wide enough, so he

580
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,920
fell onto the apron. And I tell you, I mean,

581
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,599
this is not a common thing. Usually a guy, if

582
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,759
he's conscious and it's not knocked out, he'll get up

583
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:25,799
and he'll climb back through the ring ropes and you know,

584
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:30,200
take an assessment from the referee. Ronnie literally crawled underneath

585
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,480
the bottom rope, got back in the ring, actually beat

586
00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:34,559
the count to his credit, so they don't see a

587
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,880
tip of the hat to Ronnie Rios. And at that point,

588
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,839
like you know, he looked like he was actually like

589
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,799
okay but not great. And the referee hadn't yet made

590
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:45,960
a call, but at that moment, his corner threw in

591
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,839
the towel and then the referee waved off the fight,

592
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,960
which was a good stopage. No one's gonna complain about that.

593
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,759
But Big Heart finished on his feet even though it

594
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:57,519
was a stoppage and an exciting ending, a great, great combination.

595
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: And so can we have good things? Can I fantasize

596
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,440
about the second half of twenty twenty five? I know

597
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,759
this is not going to happen anytime soon. Can I

598
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,799
get a monster Naola in a way Nick Ball fight

599
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,440
in my future? I just was thinking of that after

600
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,599
that fight, that that could maybe be on the radar,

601
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,519
so they I.

602
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: Mentioned that that was mentioned, And I mean when in

603
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,440
a way decides to move up to featherweight, Yeah, I

604
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,559
mean he has said specifically you know, he wasn't going

605
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,799
up for the time being, and that's I respect that

606
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,480
he is defending his title on Christmas Eve. It's not

607
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,599
one hundred percent done, but it's going to be against

608
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,799
the IBF mandatory Sam Goodman from Australia. And when that

609
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,559
fight is over, if he wins, the plan is and

610
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,519
top rank is spoken about this already at his previous fight.

611
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,319
He's coming back to the United States. He's going to

612
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,839
defend the title and or do a maybe another title

613
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:53,359
fight at featherweight. You know, will depend on where he

614
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,400
is fighting in terms of his division. But he's coming

615
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,880
to the United States and they're going to have a

616
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,680
fight for him, either at the Timobile Arena or MGM.

617
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,880
That's a pretty much a done deal. He's got obviously

618
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,319
take care of his business. So is it going to

619
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,799
be a nick Ball fight? So Nick Ball and when

620
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:10,599
he was asked what he wants to do in the future,

621
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,880
his main focus is he wants to unify titles. He

622
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,440
wants to go and have a WBC title fight. He

623
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:19,440
believes that he had won the WBC title in the

624
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,759
fight with Ray Vargas and he was robed, so he

625
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:25,000
would like the rematch against Ray Vargas. I do happen

626
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,519
to think that's a very doable fight. Remember, even though

627
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:30,920
Ray has been with PBC, they had no problem making

628
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,200
a deal with Turkey and having him fight against Nick

629
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,319
Ball on the cart in read. I don't see why

630
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,720
they wouldn't do that. Again, all things equal in terms

631
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:40,880
of the money being the right thing, so I can

632
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,200
see a rematch happening. Stephen Fulton is the mandatory. He

633
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,519
came up to feederate he wanted belt, he'll be the

634
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,720
WBA mandatory fight. Knowing the WBA if nick Ball has

635
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,440
an opportunity to unify and puts in an application for

636
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,839
that situation to bypass the mandatory, I'm pretty confident the

637
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,359
WBA is not gonna force him into that fight. Next

638
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:05,680
after that, now that becomes the question because when in

639
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,039
a way gets the featherweight, everybody who has a belt

640
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,160
is gonna want to fight him because they're going to

641
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,240
make a lot of money and it's going to be

642
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:14,799
a big event. And nick Ball is certainly on that list.

643
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,640
I can't tell you he's the favorite. Remember, in a

644
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,799
ways with top rank they promote co promote Espinoza that

645
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,799
the promoter Roubis Ramirez potentially gonna win the title back.

646
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,279
I mean they have other potential options. They're the They

647
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:31,480
now have h Angelo Leo, who won the belt in

648
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,400
his last fight. So nick Ball, while he's with a

649
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,640
friendly promoter in Queensberry, I don't know if he's necessary

650
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,119
number one on the list. So we'll have to wait

651
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,000
and see. It's one thing for nick Ball to want that,

652
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,519
whether it gets that, I don't think that's necessarily something

653
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:45,799
you can say at the moment.

654
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,519
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, I just said, fantasize about it.

655
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,039
Speaker 2: I said half and I said back half of twenty

656
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:53,640
twenty five, and maybe it has to be later.

657
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm not even saying that you're

658
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,160
wrong and that it can't I'm just giving you the reasons.

659
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,000
What what what the landscape looks like. It's not impossible.

660
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,279
I'd actually say, there's like a it's not like fifty

661
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,599
to fifty, but there's a you know, there's a chance,

662
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,799
you know what I mean, among others other things.

663
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:13,079
Speaker 2: Again, so we go to the news, and you just

664
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:15,039
made mention of this, so we'll go ahead and cover it.

665
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,759
That the rematch for the WBOS. By the way, champion

666
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,240
Rafael Espinoza and Robas Ramirez, the former title holder who

667
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,279
he upset. There's news about that. Share the news about

668
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:25,359
that as we begin the new week.

669
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,279
Speaker 3: Sure, so, I mean, of course we all know about

670
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:28,880
their great fight they had at the end of last year,

671
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,920
one of the best fights of the year, big huge upset,

672
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,079
with Espinosa coming out of nowhere and getting the title

673
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:36,680
off Ramirez in a tremendous battle all along. Once he

674
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,160
won the fight, the plan from top Rank and zand

675
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,480
for Promotions. Zandfer is the co promoter of Vestvenosa. They

676
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,559
actually did a co promotion deal with Top Rank after

677
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,079
he won the title. So Top Rank promotes Robasi. They

678
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:49,599
prove they're the co promoter of Espinosa. Zanfer is the

679
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,119
other co promoter of Espinosa. All along the plan was

680
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,680
we're going to do an immediate rematch. The Espinosa camp

681
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:55,960
was like, well, you know, we'll do the fight, but

682
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,759
we don't want to do an immediate rematch. Top Ranks said, okay, fine,

683
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,200
so they gave him a fight in the summer. He

684
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,440
knocked out Sergio Charino in the fourth round. This is

685
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,720
back like June in Las Vegas. One week later, on

686
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:10,279
a card in Florida, they had Robasi Ramirez come back

687
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:13,599
off of that knockout. He scored his own knockout. They

688
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,160
both had done what they were supposed to do, and

689
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,680
now the plan was, okay, rematch in the latter part

690
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,759
of the year, which is still the plan. The problem

691
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:25,119
is they've been unable to finalize agreements with the two fighters.

692
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,519
It's not mostly people understand when when you have difficulty

693
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,400
making a deal and you hear about fights, you're going

694
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,599
to go to a purse bid the first thought. And

695
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,079
this is not incorrect, and it usually is the case.

696
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:39,279
It's because the two promoters on the opposite sides have

697
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,079
a hard time making agreement. But it also is a possibility,

698
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:45,160
and I think that, well, I know, so this is

699
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,160
the case in terms of Espinos and rres. It's not

700
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,680
that top rank and Zanfer can't make a deal. Top

701
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:52,599
rank and Zamfer can make that deal and probably I

702
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,599
mean no one, Bob Arim and Todd de Buffin and

703
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,200
then Fernando Beltron and everybody involved, they can make a

704
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,599
deal in probably literally like ten minutes do that fight,

705
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,519
no doubt in my mind, it's that the individual promoter

706
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:05,759
is having a hard time closing a deal with their

707
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,880
respective fighter. So zan first slash top rank is probably

708
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,839
having a difficult time of making a deal with Espinoza.

709
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,680
It could also be a matter that top rank is

710
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,440
having a difficult time with Ramirez. I happen to think

711
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,759
that that's probably less likely because Ramirez is the one

712
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,119
that so desperately wants the rematch because he wants to

713
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,720
regain the title. But it could be Espinosa that's given

714
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:24,519
them a hard time.

715
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,319
Speaker 2: So my speculation would be Espinosa wants more money than

716
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:32,000
what they're offering him because he's the champ and Robas

717
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,759
Ramirez was more of the a side fighter that he upset.

718
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:37,079
Speaker 1: So this is just educated speculation.

719
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: Probably he wants more money and wants to roll the

720
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,079
dice with the purse bid.

721
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,279
Speaker 3: Well, well that's the thing, rolling dice with the perspect

722
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,920
it may not be the smartest thing to do because

723
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,079
they're but the same promoter. So I agree with you

724
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:50,200
from the standpoint that it's probably Espinosa that's seeking a

725
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:54,400
larger payday, so they're going to go to a person.

726
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,240
So anyway, so they didn't make a deal. So now

727
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,759
once that happens, the WBO has now scheduled a purs

728
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,440
bid will take place this coming Friday on October eleventh,

729
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:04,799
you know, in San Juan at the w BO officis.

730
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,039
But when they're both with the same teams, gotcha, it's

731
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,000
very unusual. I mean, it happens. I when we saw

732
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,240
the glaring example in recent times is when uh, you know,

733
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,680
the the Triller folks came out of nowhere and had

734
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,359
a huge bid on the fight between t F Malpas

735
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:19,240
and George Cambosas.

736
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: That's right.

737
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,759
Speaker 3: We see how that worked out, not very well as

738
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:22,839
it turned out, because they.

739
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: They they paid drastically more from that fight, which is

740
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:25,920
your point.

741
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,759
Speaker 3: It because they defaulted on the bid is what they are, right.

742
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: But I mean, theoretically they won the purse bid with

743
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,279
a dramatically bigger offer, which you don't know until they

744
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:35,799
unseal the offers, that's your point.

745
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,559
Speaker 3: Knowing the landscape of boxing as it exists currently, I mean,

746
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:41,519
you never know for sure, but it seems unlikely that

747
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,640
they'll be a third bidder enter the fray and top

748
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,240
rankin zandfer. If they're the promoters, there's nothing against the

749
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,720
rules since they co promote the fighter together, that only

750
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:53,680
one of them bids and they know you know, or

751
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,359
that even if they both bid, they know what they're

752
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:58,480
going to be bidding. In other words, it behooves everybody involved,

753
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,720
at least the fighters, I should say, to make a deal. Otherwise,

754
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:04,039
let's do let's have fun just with this.

755
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:06,599
Speaker 2: Let's do a little quick role play here before Friday,

756
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,159
Hey one eight hundred, Rafael Espinosa, we got this per

757
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,719
s bid coming on Friday, and before you find out

758
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,480
the sealed envelope that is the only offer for this fight?

759
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,519
Do you want to go ahead and take what might

760
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,480
be a better offer than what's inside the sealed envelope?

761
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,840
And if if I'm Rafael Espinoza, I'm probably gonna do that,

762
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,400
because more than likely what's in the envelope on Friday,

763
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,679
if it's only one bitter, is less than what I'm

764
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,000
offering you before Friday.

765
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, We'll say.

766
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: Again, I don't know what he's asking for. I don't

767
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,000
know what they're offering, but I have to believe that

768
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,960
whatever he wants, he's gonna have to be willing to

769
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,079
take a little less. And whatever they're offering, there's probably

770
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:48,599
enough money to go up a little bit. I mean,

771
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,079
there has to be I would think a common ground there.

772
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,679
Speaker 2: So but let's just I mean, let's just say that hypothetically,

773
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,760
they're offering him seven hundred grand. I have no idea.

774
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,800
Right now, you're the champ. We're offering you seven hundred grand.

775
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,679
That's seven hundred grand might turn out to be five

776
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,159
hundred and fifty thousand dollars if you unseal the envelope

777
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:04,760
on Friday.

778
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,599
Speaker 1: That's the leverage. I don't know, I'm just throwing numbers out,

779
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:08,679
but that that's what could happen.

780
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,199
Speaker 3: Dannabeck supposed it was offered like a million plus a

781
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,239
million two or something like that to go fight Shiraz

782
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,119
in the UK. They went to the person. But on

783
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:18,559
the Makelevivitch fight. Uh huh Mkalovich's people offered three hundred

784
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,440
and fifty one thousand dollars top rank over three to

785
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,920
fifty and he fought for shit money.

786
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: So he thought he fought for about two hundred grand

787
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,400
instead of the million.

788
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,599
Speaker 3: It was a lot more than to wonder, But the

789
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:28,079
point is it was a big difference. So he's better

790
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:31,599
off of doing it and getting the best deal he

791
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,039
possibly can, because he's the kind of guy where if

792
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,599
he doesn't do the rematch in a mandatory he will

793
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,519
get stripped, and now you know, his earning power is

794
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:41,960
dramatically reduced. Some fighters the belt.

795
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,559
Speaker 2: This is the leverage. He's got the belt, and this

796
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:45,960
is the rematch, this is the fight.

797
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: But but but here's the thing. If you're Canelo Alvarez,

798
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,039
if you're taking this, if you're you know, a big name,

799
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,360
you know, if you're one of the big daddies, you

800
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,880
know you can you don't have to have the belt,

801
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,719
then you can still make a tremendous amount of money.

802
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,880
Rafel Spinoza. The only reason at the moment he can

803
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,039
make real money is because of the built Yep, he

804
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:04,920
hasn't gone to that next level yet, so he needs

805
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,800
to work it out. And we're saying all this on

806
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,880
the assumption that it's him. Logically that's the one that's

807
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,960
the issue of Maybe it is Ramirez, who the heck knows.

808
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,440
But the point is what this now does is the

809
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,760
first bit is scheduled for Friday. It really puts them

810
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,440
more on the clock and and creates or urgency because

811
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,920
they can still make a deal between now when the

812
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,400
person stay tuned.

813
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: To the Dan Reyfield, social media and the substack, because

814
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,960
you're right, there may be a deal before the Perst

815
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,480
bit on Friday, but right now that's looming. Let's see

816
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:36,840
what happens with that. All right, let's continue with the news.

817
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,559
Match Room Boxing has made an announcement as it relates

818
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:45,199
to Liam Parrow, the IBF Junior welterweight champion. Interesting that Parol,

819
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,079
who's an Australian, will go back to Puerto Rico. But

820
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,280
it's not a rematch with super Real Mattias, who he beat.

821
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,480
It's a different fight with a different fighter. Go ahead,

822
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,440
what's the what's the latest.

823
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: Well, originally when he won the title against Sybril Mattias

824
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:02,920
and he was considered a big upset. Remember he went

825
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,880
to Mattias's hometown of Manatee, Puerto Rico, and he was

826
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,760
a big underdog. Everybody figured, uh that that the punching

827
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,559
power and the home crowd and all that that that

828
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:17,039
this was gonna just be a coronation of Sabril Mattias

829
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,599
and Liam Paro. Uh maybe the only one that believed

830
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,480
he could win, and he did win even matchrom Boxing.

831
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,000
I mean, they're the promoter of both guys. I don't

832
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:25,119
think if you're if they were being truthful, they didn't

833
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,519
think that Paro had a chance in hell to win

834
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:28,679
that fight, but he did. He got the job done,

835
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,760
he won the fight. So, uh, the original plan was,

836
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,880
and Eddie Hearn spoke about this, We're going to take

837
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,760
Paro to do a hometown or homecoming fight in Australia

838
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:42,199
and they were looking at different opponents and in the meantime,

839
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,559
Richardson Hitchins, who was the mandatory he had gotten that

840
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,119
mandatory position in his last fight with the victory over

841
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:51,719
Gustavo Limos. That was back in April that they were

842
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,079
going to have Richardson Hitchins do a fight in Puerto Rico.

843
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,119
They were talking about maybe Peedraza as an opponent. Then

844
00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:59,039
you asked, well, why Puerto Rico, Because when they did

845
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:02,760
the Mattias fight against Paro, the matchroom folks had done

846
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,320
I guess it was a two fight deal with a

847
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,719
tourism company there and with the local government, and they

848
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,239
were going to bring another event there. So Paro against

849
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,199
Hitchins was the first one, I mean Paro against rather Mattias,

850
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,199
and then they were gonna do this second fight in December. Meanwhile,

851
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,800
have the title fight back in Australia, and they had

852
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,000
mentioned about possibly being a defense against the George Cambosis

853
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,920
was one name that was mentioned at any event those

854
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,840
fights didn't work out. The Hitchins team was like, well,

855
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,440
if you want us to have this fight and not

856
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,760
fight for the title, we need to get six figures

857
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,920
to step aside. And when you start to add up

858
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,400
all the numbers and see what was out there, what

859
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,000
the calendar looked like in the end, Mattriom scrapped the

860
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,480
plans for Australia. Cambosis wasn't going to do the fight,

861
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,920
I guess, or they didn't have the right deal. Nonetheless,

862
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:49,079
they decided, you know what, let's just go right to

863
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,360
the title fight, which was perfectly fine with the Hitchins team.

864
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,760
So now he'll defend the title in the mandatory, which

865
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,239
wasn't due just yet, but they'll they'll do it anyway.

866
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,119
Mattriom has both guys, they're gonna put a you know,

867
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:03,639
as you always say, TJ, if you're an Australian and

868
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:07,519
you're fighting a fighter of Haitian descent, by what you know,

869
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,280
who grew up in Brooklyn, New York, you should do

870
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,039
the fight in Puerto Rico.

871
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: Of course I always said that, Yes.

872
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,119
Speaker 3: They've They've put this fight in San Juan at the

873
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:19,239
at the Roberto Clemente Coliseum, which is a historic venue.

874
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,239
I actually covered a fight there. I covered MC photo

875
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,880
there right there in San Juan. Beautiful. One of my

876
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,679
favorite trips I ever made in my boxing writing career

877
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,280
was going to Puerto Rico, by the way. Done as

878
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,599
an aside, my wife very very rarely, very rarely will

879
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:35,639
travel with me on a boxing trip. She doesn't want

880
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,679
to go when I've gone to like Little Rock, Arkansas,

881
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,360
or to uh, you know, the Frisco, Texas or whatever.

882
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,559
When I told her I'm going to Puerto Rico, says, yeah,

883
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:46,599
sign me up, I'm coming. So we got to the

884
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:48,000
plane tack and she came on that track we go.

885
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: It's lovely in Puerto Rico.

886
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: I took Missus Reeves there on our tent anniversary and

887
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,639
by the way, very nice. You love when I go nostalgic.

888
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: Edwin L.

889
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: Chapel Rosario would always fight in at Roberto Clemente Coliseum.

890
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,920
He had, He fought a couple of three title fights.

891
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,840
I don't if I remember correctly back back in the day.

892
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,159
So it's the main building for like the last forty

893
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:06,360
or fifty years in Portago.

894
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: I think Trinidad fought there. I'm pretty sure Goto fought there,

895
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,480
all the all the big guys from Puerto Rico. But anyway,

896
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,360
so Porrow and Hitchins will have their fight. It'll headline

897
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,360
the The Zone show on December seventh, uh And it's

898
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,920
a good matchup. I mean, Hitchins is a very talented boxer.

899
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,039
Olympic pedigree. Porrow has shown enormous toughness. Uh. You know,

900
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:29,320
he is undefeated with twenty five wins fifteen knockouts. He's

901
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,000
coming off a big win against Mattias he Uh. He's

902
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,159
looked pretty good in his fights. He had that very

903
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:39,920
good performance against uh Montana Love. So anyway, that's the news.

904
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,800
I mean, they put that card on and if you know,

905
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,440
what they've done is in top uh at the top level.

906
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,880
It's a event from that standpoint. But in terms of

907
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,840
the undercard, they're working with Javier Bastillo, who is the

908
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,159
promoter from uh, what is it, Universal Promotions. It was

909
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,599
one of the top promoters in Puerto Rico. I guess really,

910
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:58,400
when you think about what's in Puerto Rico, it's pr

911
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,280
best promotions, it's you Universal and it's Miguel Coto's company.

912
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,400
So they're loading up with the with the working with Universal,

913
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,079
they're doing a ton of Puerto Rican themed fights on

914
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:12,800
the undercard, so they'll draw in the crowd if they're

915
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,679
not so much inserted in the main event, because neither

916
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,679
one is Puerto Rican. Universal Promotions has got various you know,

917
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,480
talent in their stable, and so they're going to make

918
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,719
a very heavily Puerto Rican undercard of consequence everybody who

919
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,519
listens to those. One of my favorite prospects is the

920
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:33,559
lightweight Mark Castro, not Puerto Rican, Mexican American from Fresno, California.

921
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,360
He'll be on this undercard. The welterweight that that MATCHUM

922
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,440
recently signed the undefeated, very good looking prospect from Washington,

923
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,559
d C. Jalil Hackett. He is on this card. But

924
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,480
the the Puerto Rican talent you're talking about, the twenty

925
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,719
twenty Puerto Rican Olympian who's with Mattrium Yankiel Rivera and

926
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,440
also a fight that for the island. It's a decent fight,

927
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,599
I guess, junior lightway. This is the co feature the

928
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,679
undefeated Henley Lebron against the also fellow Puerto Rican former

929
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,119
world title challenger Christopher Petufo Diaz in a good old fashioned,

930
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,320
like all Puerto Rican fight. To see interesting, you know,

931
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,360
if the younger fighter can take a step forward against

932
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,719
a DS who's you know, let's call it's only like

933
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,559
twenty nine years old, but he's kind of I think

934
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,039
most people would view the most a little bit in

935
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:19,119
the twilight of his career and then they'll have a

936
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:22,159
bunch of other Puerto Ricans in those other fights that

937
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:24,760
are not necessarily the TV fights of the desone fights.

938
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:29,039
Speaker 2: Good intel from Dan rayphel on the December card coming

939
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:33,719
from match Room with the Porro Richardson Hitchens main event.

940
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: All right, it is.

941
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: Dmitri Bevil Archer better bv Undisputed light Heavyweight title fight week.

942
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,199
We do have Dmitri Bevil on the podcast feed. You

943
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,400
just we played that interview and you just got the

944
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,119
chance to talk with him, and you want to clarify

945
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,519
as we head in the fight week, it's now been

946
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:54,719
clarified about how to see the fight, especially in the

947
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,480
United States.

948
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

949
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,639
Speaker 3: There are a lot of confusion about this, so I'm

950
00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:59,119
glad we can discuss this for a minute because I

951
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:03,079
received TJ I can't tell you how many people have

952
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:05,559
asked me on Twitter, how many people have dm me

953
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,639
on Instagram and hit me up on Facebook. It's like, okay,

954
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:12,239
so listen up. Okay, this ain't that complicated, but it's

955
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,360
it's annoying, but it's not the worst thing in the world.

956
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:18,679
Let's clarify. I'm talking right now about in the United

957
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,400
States of America. I'll get to the rest of the

958
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,119
world in a minute. In the United States of America,

959
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,920
if you want to watch better BA versus Bevo, awesome

960
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,039
fight on paper, undisputed light eavyweight champ in the United

961
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,280
States of America, there is one place to legally watch it.

962
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,079
It is if you have an ESPN Plus subscription. It

963
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:38,159
is part of your regular ESPN subscription and it will

964
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:40,800
take place and that will be the one fight stream

965
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,840
on Saturday, that fight. That's the best way I can say.

966
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,360
You just want to watch that flight at the time.

967
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,639
I don't have the exact time yet, but you watch

968
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,199
it or you subscribe to it, and that's how you

969
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,840
watch the fight. If you want to watch the undercard,

970
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,079
which is a good undercard, you got the rematch between

971
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,719
the big heavyweights who fought to the excellent Draft Awardley

972
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:03,599
against Fraser Clark. Do you want to watch Chris Hubank

973
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:05,920
Junior against Camille Zarametta. Do you want to watch the

974
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,920
cruiserweight champ Jai Opataie against Jack Massey. You know to

975
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,480
watch the flashy light heavyweight up and coming in Olympian

976
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,400
Ben Whittaker against William Cameron. Do you want to watch

977
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,239
the WBC Women's featherweight champion Sky Nicholson the vendor title

978
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,920
against Raven Chapman. There's a four rounder with a prospect.

979
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:24,960
That's the undercard. If you want to watch the undercard

980
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,320
of the United States of America, you gotta go on

981
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,239
regular the Zone and watch it as part of your

982
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:35,239
regular subscription. Now, originally the thought was, or the talk was,

983
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,239
and what I was told is that they were going

984
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,280
to make the undercard a pay per view unto itself,

985
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,599
but for cheap, like you know, fifteen bucks is what

986
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,679
Turkey how she had said. Originally was going to include

987
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:48,440
Shakhor Stevenson. Obviously, he is no longer on the show

988
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,199
because of his injury. So the rest of the undercard

989
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,320
regular de Zone in the United States and Canada for

990
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,239
that matter, Main event only ESPN Plus. So if you're

991
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,599
in the United States of America, you're gonna and you

992
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:02,440
want to watch everything, you got to watch it on

993
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,119
two platforms. Start out on his own watch the show,

994
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,000
and then flip over to the Zone. I mean, I'm sorry, flip.

995
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: Over to the ESPN Plus for the main event. Main

996
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,320
event only on ESPN Plus.

997
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: Correct in the rest of the world. Everywhere else you

998
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,119
live in Tokyo, if you live in you know, Berlin,

999
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,800
if you live in London, if you live Black Arkansas.

1000
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: Who you shot it out earlier? Well no, not little

1001
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,239
block Cocker. So let's the United States.

1002
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,519
Speaker 2: Let's say Ontario, Canada, Let's say San Juan, Puerto Rico,

1003
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,199
anywhere outside the US.

1004
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,599
Speaker 3: Well, Puerto Rico counts as the USDJ So your fun

1005
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,000
completely does it for this if you don't live in

1006
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,920
the United States of America or Puerto Rico, which is

1007
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,400
part of the United States of America, right, can I? Can?

1008
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:43,880
I finish?

1009
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: Sure?

1010
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: Worldwide it's a the zone pay per view, So for

1011
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,199
the first time maybe in a long time, with the

1012
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,480
exception of the occasional Joshua fight here in America, we're

1013
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:58,159
not getting We're getting the fight for free with our subscriptions.

1014
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,880
We don't have to pay and up charge. The rest

1015
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,320
of the world has to pay the up charge. A

1016
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,880
lot of times it's the other way around. So I'll

1017
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,920
go through real quick once again. Free on ESPN Plus

1018
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,079
for the main and Mint if you subscribe, free on

1019
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:11,679
de Zone for the under card in the United States,

1020
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,719
if you subscribe pay per view around the rest of

1021
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,480
the world. Not that complicated.

1022
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: And just clarify if you're buying the pay per view,

1023
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,960
because we have audience outside there. If you're buying the

1024
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,960
pay per view outside of the US, you get the

1025
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,400
full card. It's everything, it's not two purchases. If you're

1026
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,000
outside the US, you get it all.

1027
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: Outside the un outside of the US, everything is on

1028
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,599
his own pay per view, beautiful. The only place that's

1029
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:38,199
on ESPN Plus is the main event in America.

1030
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:39,039
Speaker 1: There we go.

1031
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: I don't know how much more clear I can make it.

1032
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,519
Speaker 2: You did, and we look forward to that fight and

1033
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:44,719
its fight week coming up.

1034
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: And by the way, if you still don't understand, go

1035
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,320
fuck yourself and stop asking me.

1036
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,079
Speaker 1: And by and by the way, I would love to know.

1037
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: Is it an affordable pay per view like what Turkey

1038
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,000
Ala Sheikh has done before? Is it like the nineteen

1039
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,239
ninety five variety, or are we going or we're going

1040
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,159
all out that that card is decent. But this is

1041
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,159
me saying this. I think they'd have a hard time

1042
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,239
trying to make that a fifty nine ninety sixty nine.

1043
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: The international prices are never that high anybody, So I

1044
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,519
haven't seen what the retail suggested prices, but I have

1045
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:20,280
to believe it's going to be in the affordable range,

1046
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,239
like you know what would be because it's not going

1047
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,519
to be in dollars because that's in America, but in

1048
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:25,320
other countries.

1049
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,559
Speaker 2: Bothering Rayfield, It'll be the channel the fights are on.

1050
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 3: That's what will probably be the equivalent of around twenty bucks.

1051
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,480
I would say, I'm just saying it.

1052
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: One more time.

1053
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:36,199
Speaker 2: Stop bothering you want to find out what channel the

1054
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,719
dating game reruns are on the game show network.

1055
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,519
Speaker 1: Bother him about that.

1056
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: Stop bothering him about better beev and bevol. He just

1057
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,280
explained where it's on. One more quick note, speaking of

1058
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,239
light heavyweights, Anthony Yard, the British light heavyweight, is now

1059
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,440
going to be back later this month. Uh, tell me,

1060
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:57,559
tell me the latest because he's a popular, prominent British

1061
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:58,079
light heavyweight.

1062
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he has been out of the out of

1063
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,760
actions this earlier this year, he's been in a contract

1064
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,880
dispute with Frank Warren, who has been his longtime promoter.

1065
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,159
He last fought in February. He acquitted himself extremely well

1066
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:12,480
in two world title fights against Sergey Kovalev in twenty nineteen,

1067
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,000
more recently in twenty twenty three in a tremendous battle

1068
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,440
against Arthur better Bee than a mandatory fight. I can't

1069
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,039
tell you that he has signed with boxer, but he's

1070
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,440
at least doing his next fight with boxer. They haven't

1071
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,440
said whether he signed. I've reached out and asked, I've

1072
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,960
not gotten a response. If you're listening, Bench Loom, please

1073
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,679
respond to my next anyway. He will be back on

1074
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,360
October nineteenth. He will be featured in the in the

1075
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,360
co feature when Adam Azine fights Aharrad Davies at the

1076
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,280
Copper Box Arena in London, a place where Anthony Yard

1077
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,880
has fought plenty of times, and you know it's his hometown,

1078
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,519
and so he's looking forward to that. It's available on

1079
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,519
Peacock in the United States, it's a Sky Sports card

1080
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,960
in the UK. No opponent yet, but anytime Anthony Yards

1081
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,760
in the ring, because of the kind of punching power

1082
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,920
that he possesses and the fun nature of his fights,

1083
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:02,360
you know, I'm glad to see him back in.

1084
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: Action, all right.

1085
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: So and again that's only a couple of weeks away

1086
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,000
here that he's going to be on that undercard as

1087
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:11,360
the co feature. All right, some good news now, Nostalgia

1088
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,840
time and let's go back in time to October sixth

1089
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,440
as we do the podcast and release it Sunday night

1090
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:21,280
into Monday. Sunday is the sixth and seventeen years ago.

1091
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,719
In October sixth, two thousand and seven, Manny Pacquiao defeats

1092
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,039
Marco Antonio Barrera in their junior lightweight rematch. Reminisce a

1093
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,079
little what's what's in the memory banks about that one

1094
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,679
seventeen years ago?

1095
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,199
Speaker 3: Well, I was there at the rematch. I mean two

1096
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,079
of the greats of their time. I mean, you have

1097
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:41,519
the big four really, of those in and around those

1098
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:44,599
weight classes, featherweight really kind of up to lightweight dish.

1099
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,400
You had Pacio, you had Barrera, you had Morales, and

1100
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,519
you had Marquez. They obviously all fought each other except

1101
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:52,400
for Marquez never fought against Morales, which to this day

1102
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,920
still pisses me off. In any event, Back when they

1103
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:01,360
fought Barrera and Pacio the first time around, that was

1104
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,440
really the coming out party in a massive way for

1105
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:06,480
Manny pacow He had already fought a couple of times

1106
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:09,440
in the United States, he'd been very impressive, but he

1107
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:12,719
scored his first really big win against a big name,

1108
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:16,039
top touch guy when he just destroyed him in San

1109
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:18,840
Antonio back in two thousand and three, became the lineal

1110
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,679
featherweight champion, stopped him in round eleven of a pretty

1111
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,280
one sided fight, and they obviously both went on with

1112
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,119
their careers and then they met once again. This was

1113
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:29,719
a period of time where Manny did not have a

1114
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,280
world title, but he was fighting at one hundred and

1115
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,199
thirty pounds. He actually continued to defend the original title.

1116
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,920
The fact that it wasn't for a world title fight,

1117
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,119
I don't think most people know or care about, to

1118
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,280
be quite honest with you, he had been on a

1119
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,400
good run. He had defeated Eric Morales in their third fight.

1120
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,400
He had been on a smaller fight when he was

1121
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,800
in a protracted battle over his contract between Top Rank

1122
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:55,000
and Golden Boy. He had fought for a Solis and finally,

1123
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:58,559
in the summer of two thousand and seven, Top Rank

1124
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:01,639
and Golden Boy, who had been locked in this terrible,

1125
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,559
terrible lawsuit over Manny Pacio's contract, finally did like a

1126
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:08,599
global settlement. If you were around back then, if you

1127
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:11,559
followed boxing back then, you remember those of us in

1128
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:13,360
the media and those of us that talked about boxing

1129
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,840
everybody referred to it as the Cold War. They were

1130
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,719
not doing any business with each other. They were the

1131
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,519
most bitter of enemies, top rank and Golden boy Oscar

1132
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:24,400
and Bob Aaron Richard Schaeffer. They weren't doing anything, and

1133
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,960
they both had very very deep stables with a lot

1134
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,000
of quality guys that can match up with each other.

1135
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,440
And we were deprived at that time of a ton

1136
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,800
of fights. When they finally made the settlement, it paved

1137
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,000
the way for all kinds of good matchups and they

1138
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,079
began to happen, involving Pac Yao and Ricky Hatton and

1139
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:42,360
some Floyd Mayweather fights and this and that. One of

1140
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,840
the fights that came out of it, which is one

1141
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,800
of the fights that was at the beginning when they

1142
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,559
finally made the deal, was to do a rematch between

1143
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,280
Mark Antonio Burr and Nanny Paco. Maybe not the most

1144
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,559
necessary fight in the history of the world, given what

1145
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,679
had occurred in their first fight, but Barrera, although he

1146
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,400
had was coming into this fight off of a loss,

1147
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,320
it was still not like we've seen worst fights. He

1148
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,320
had lost a competitive fight to Juan Manuel Marquez. Even

1149
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,639
though he didn't win, you know, people still thought he

1150
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,800
might have something left. And so they did this match

1151
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:14,840
at the Mandalay Bay and instead of you know, the

1152
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,159
barn burner, I guess that most people expected, given the

1153
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,480
styles that we were so used to seeing Barrera and

1154
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,679
Pacyo employed during their careers, it turned out to be

1155
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:25,280
more of a boxing match, and Manny Paco you know,

1156
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,400
pretty much dominated and then one a very clear, unanimous decision.

1157
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:33,159
I think the first fight is probably more memorable just

1158
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:35,559
because of the destructive nature of what Manny did to Brer.

1159
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,039
The second fight maybe more memorable because it didn't have

1160
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:41,760
that kind of action and that Brera, despite the one

1161
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,000
sided loss on the scorecards, actually he put it himself

1162
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,760
pretty damn well. And what it did was it showed

1163
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,920
that Golden Boy and top Rank could work together, and

1164
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,880
it's set up, you know, a whole ton of other

1165
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,360
fights that they were being able to do together. But again,

1166
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:57,679
Brera and Pacio two of the biggest fighters of their

1167
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,519
time in terms of their name recognition and bank ability,

1168
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,960
and you know, this was a pay per view fight,

1169
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,199
and you know, I just remember being a tremendous promotion. Again,

1170
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,400
not maybe the greatest fight of all time, but anytime

1171
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,000
he got two future Hall of famers in the ring

1172
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:14,400
with each other who still had something left. It's always

1173
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,679
a good thing for the sport of boxing.

1174
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: Love that all, right, Move forward now to Wednesday later

1175
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,679
this week, but we won't be back before Wednesday, October nine,

1176
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:28,000
three years ago and the Tyson Fury Trilogy fight with

1177
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:33,000
Deontay Wilder, where Fury scored a wild eleventh round knockout

1178
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,320
to retain his.

1179
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: Four years ago. Three years ago, four years ago.

1180
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: I was trying to help you with the math. Twenty

1181
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,199
twenty one was three years ago. Oh my bad, stop

1182
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,880
my role here. Uh what a wild fight this was

1183
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,960
to retain the WBC and lineal heavyweight championships. This was

1184
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,199
a fight a year and a half or more in

1185
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,559
the making because of the pandemic craziness, because of Fury

1186
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,719
trying to ignore the rematch clause in the contract, they

1187
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,599
had to go to arbitration. They finally put the fight on,

1188
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,280
and a wild fight that you were ringside for. And

1189
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,000
this is high praise for it because it's on the rundown.

1190
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,159
You believe this is the best heavyweight title fight you

1191
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,960
have ever been in person at ringside for. And that's

1192
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:16,320
saying something here on this that includes you being ringside

1193
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,800
for the Andy Ruiz upset of Anthony Joshua. That includes

1194
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,800
you being ringside at Wembley for Joshua and clitchco This

1195
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:24,960
one's got high praise.

1196
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:28,039
Speaker 3: That includes me being ringside in the Staple Center in

1197
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:29,960
Los Angeles for Lennox Lewis against Vitalia.

1198
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: Clitch googredible and this one obviously had plenty of drama

1199
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,000
and once again, fury Ko's wilder.

1200
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: Eventually in this one. What else do you remember?

1201
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 3: This was spectacular? I mean and I can still remember

1202
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,559
just like and it wasn't just me, like the feeling

1203
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:50,440
you had when the fight's over and you're like sweating.

1204
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,800
I mean, you weren't fighting. It wasn't like particularly you know,

1205
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,559
this T Mobile Arena is a a well air conditioned venue.

1206
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:58,920
It was the fall, and they have a hockey team there,

1207
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,800
so you're you know, the is there. It's never like

1208
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:04,840
over hot, overly hot. But it was like your sweating

1209
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,960
because this fight was just so dramatic and you're so emotional,

1210
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,440
you're so juiced up or jacked up about what you

1211
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:14,000
just saw. Everybody was like walking on air, what a

1212
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:16,840
great fight we saw. You mentioned it. It was a long

1213
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,480
time coming. They had had the rematch in February of

1214
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,480
twenty twenty, right before the pandemic, and that was of

1215
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,199
course Fury winning the fight by a seventh round stopage.

1216
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,400
He wins the WBC title. He already was the lineal champion.

1217
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,559
They had fought to a draw in their first fight,

1218
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,760
and they had each had a couple of intern bouts

1219
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,719
in between, and the third fight was supposed to happen,

1220
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,199
and you mentioned it was a lot of issues making

1221
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,440
it happen. The pandemic delayed things. Finally they redid, they

1222
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,000
got the fight together and they went forward with the

1223
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,800
third fight. It was at the Timobile Arena and as

1224
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,199
good and as dramatic as the first fight was, mainly

1225
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,199
because of the memorable knockdowns that Deontay Wilder had and

1226
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,199
of course Tyson Fury rising like the Undertaker in the

1227
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,679
twelfth round to get off the deck right the drama

1228
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,079
of that to turn out to be a draw with controversy.

1229
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:05,239
Then of course the rematch, where Tyson Fury, much to

1230
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,639
the surprise of everybody, told us ahead of time, I'm

1231
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:10,559
gonna go right after him and I'm gonna knock him

1232
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:11,880
out and We're all like, what are you talking about?

1233
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,599
YAO boxed him for the most part in the first fight,

1234
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:16,280
you just kind of most people thought you got a

1235
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,719
little bit of a raw deal in the scoring. Why

1236
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,280
would you change what worked so well in his perspectives, Well,

1237
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,079
I didn't get the knockout. We all thought he was

1238
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,480
full of shit, and he walked straight to Deontay Wilder

1239
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:26,679
and took it to him and did exactly what he

1240
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:28,400
said he was gonna do, gave away the game plan

1241
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,840
and knocked him out in the seventh round and knocked

1242
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,519
him down multiple times. And so now you're getting ready

1243
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:36,079
for the third fight, and you're like, Okay, what's gonna

1244
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,960
happen here? They've both been off for a little bit

1245
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:42,079
for a little while, and it turned out to be

1246
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,119
one of those special nights I mean that you'd die

1247
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:47,360
for in boxing. I mean what I made the point

1248
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,800
after this fight, and I say this at times, when

1249
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,519
you see a fight like that, TJ, it makes all

1250
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:55,760
the bullshit that we put up with as boxing fans

1251
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,480
worth it. We sit through shitty mismatches over rice pay

1252
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,960
per views, political nonsense between promoters and sanction bodies, stupid

1253
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,719
shit on social media, between fighters who claim they want

1254
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,199
to fight but really don't blah blah blah blah blah.

1255
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,320
But when they finally get in the ring and we

1256
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,400
hear the ding ding and they put the business together

1257
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,639
and the fight happens, and they perform the way that

1258
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:19,719
Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury did in this third fight,

1259
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,599
all that other shit melts away and it makes worth it.

1260
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,159
Speaker 2: And when it's the heavy weights, it goes up another

1261
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:26,760
notch and I know.

1262
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also for the world title. It's for

1263
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:33,039
one of the major belts as well as the lineal title.

1264
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:35,199
I mean, it's for all the marbled Basically they're too

1265
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,559
larger than life figures and Fury Wilder the boxing public

1266
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:40,840
knew them very well from the first two fights.

1267
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: So what I want to know is this fight began

1268
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,159
with as I recall it with with with once again

1269
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:50,960
Fury dominating and he knocked Wilder down. The difference is

1270
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,679
that Wilder got off the deck and he knocked Fury

1271
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:56,519
down early in the fight. Yeah, from what you recall,

1272
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:01,599
that was a plot twist, because look like the way

1273
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:03,800
that it was going that he's going to dominate him

1274
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,119
again and knock him out and now suddenly Fury got

1275
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:08,320
a good right hand in on him and Fury is down.

1276
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,559
What do you remember about what you thought, because now

1277
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:11,440
we got drama.

1278
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: Well, I'm thinking when he got dropped, when Fury knocked

1279
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,119
down Wilder in round three, I think it was sort

1280
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:18,800
of like, well, here we go again. It's going to

1281
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,480
be similar to what happened in the second fight, and

1282
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:22,960
he's gonna just you know, at some point he's gonna

1283
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,400
clip him again and it's going to be over and

1284
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,119
out and he's gonna have, you know, one, yet another

1285
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:31,079
easy knockout victory. Most people will think he should be

1286
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:32,639
three and oh. I will say this though, and I

1287
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:35,440
defend myself all the time in this I believe that

1288
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,719
Deontay Wilder won the first fight, and it's based on

1289
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,119
what happened in those first few rounds that were very

1290
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:42,480
very close that I scored for a Wilder. But that's

1291
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,920
a discussion of debate for another day. So you mentioned

1292
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,920
the plot twist in round four. Deontay Wilder, who was

1293
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,519
one of it, was the murres murderous puncher in boxing

1294
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,519
at that time and is one of the greatest punchers

1295
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:57,480
in the history of the heavyweight division. Scored two knocked

1296
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,800
against two knockdowns against Tyson Fury in the fourth round,

1297
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,599
and now it's like anybody's fight. Because Tyson Fiery was hurt.

1298
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,039
It looked like the fight may be over. You know,

1299
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:09,280
he did survive. Tyson Furious had had a pension for

1300
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,960
being knocked down and getting up. He's been down, I mean,

1301
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,639
I don't know, he's been down ten eleven times or

1302
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:16,119
something like that in the course of his career, but

1303
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:19,519
he's shown the resiliency to keep rising from the canvas.

1304
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:23,320
So he got up, and so from from that point on,

1305
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:26,880
you know, it was one of those things. After round four,

1306
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,599
you're sort of like, Okay, what's gonna happen here?

1307
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: Now?

1308
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,559
Speaker 3: Eventually Fury started to take over and he was laying

1309
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,639
a beating on Deontay Wilder, who it just looked like

1310
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,559
he was just gonna break him down, break him down,

1311
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:39,119
and finally the enormous heart again. We talk a lot

1312
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:41,039
of times about the action or who wins the fight,

1313
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,000
but for me, a lot of times, what makes the

1314
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,679
drama of a fight or the memories of the fight

1315
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,960
is the perseverance of the guy that ultimately loses, how

1316
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,000
he sucks it up, and gets through to the point

1317
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:53,679
even if he you know, whether he goes a distance

1318
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:56,960
or he does get stopped. So to see Wilder bite

1319
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:01,320
down and survive as long as he did so damaged

1320
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,239
the way he was, to me, that was largely the

1321
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,360
drum of the fight, other than the knockdowns that we

1322
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,559
just talked about. That's why this fight had everything. It

1323
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:10,159
was both guys down multiple times, both guys are and

1324
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:12,800
Deonta in the second part of the fight really sucking

1325
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:13,119
it up.

1326
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: Well.

1327
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: He was taking a beating swollen I and remember part

1328
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,320
of the backdrop was he and j D's had dismissed

1329
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,719
and gotten rid of Mark Breelin, and part of that

1330
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,880
was because they believe Brilin should or at least Deontay did.

1331
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,880
Brilin shouldn't have stopped the first fight even though he's

1332
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,280
getting beaten up, and so it was almost like, these

1333
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,239
guys aren't gonna stop the second fight. Wilder's gonna have

1334
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,280
to be laid out in the second fight, correct, And

1335
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:42,000
I think Fury sensed too that Wilder was not only damaged,

1336
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,800
but was not in the greatest cardiovascular shape. Because when

1337
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,199
you go back, and it's just me saying this, when

1338
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:50,440
you go back and watch every round. It seemed like

1339
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:52,880
Fury would get going in the round, would kind of

1340
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,480
wait around, and then with about a minute left in

1341
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,159
the round, he'd go after Wilder and Wilder would be

1342
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,159
tired and trying to hang on to him, and he'd

1343
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:02,280
hurt him. That happened Dan like three rounds in a row,

1344
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,079
where the back half of the round he's like, I

1345
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,199
got this guy tired, I got him where I want him,

1346
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,880
I'm gonna get him, and he finally got him.

1347
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: He finally got him.

1348
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: And then take me back to the moment where he

1349
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,280
splatted him and that's it, and he punctuated yet another yeah, no,

1350
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,360
he overwhel.

1351
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 3: And at that point the fight was over. He put

1352
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,599
him down again and again Wilder was getting up, but

1353
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,639
the referee had no choice but to stop the fight.

1354
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:23,480
The big if you want to look at the fight,

1355
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:26,639
because they had both had scored knockdowns. On the scorecard

1356
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:30,480
before the knockout, it was competitive. He had a ninety

1357
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:33,840
five ninety one on the one card, ninety five ninety two,

1358
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,039
ninety four ninety two. So while there was still within

1359
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:39,360
striking distance, if he could rally, it wasn't out of hand.

1360
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,119
If you will Well. I went back and I looked

1361
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:44,360
at the punch stats for this fight, and that, you know,

1362
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,360
we argue about that doesn't mean anything. Does it not

1363
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,920
mean anything? You know, you can you have your own

1364
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,400
opinions about that. In this particular fight, it was very

1365
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,639
clear he had Tyson Fury landing like forty percent of

1366
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:55,639
his power shots. And while they're landing like twenty percent

1367
01:01:55,639 --> 01:01:57,760
of his power shots, that's gonna make a big difference.

1368
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,880
Landing many more punches. They both were thrown around the same,

1369
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,760
but Fury was landing so many more shots. Now, maybe

1370
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,800
it wouldn't matter if Wilder could have got in the

1371
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,880
big bomb right hand and just knocked it out, but

1372
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,440
that did not happen, And so when this fight was over,

1373
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:17,159
you had a clear victory for Tyson. Fury had done

1374
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:19,360
the same, although harder to get to the point in

1375
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,039
the third fight as he had done in the second fight,

1376
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,719
and Tyson fear at this moment is now after this

1377
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,079
fight is over. In October of twenty twenty one, no

1378
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:29,159
doubt about a top of the food chain, number one

1379
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:32,000
heavyweight in the world. He had the knocked out Deontay

1380
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,360
Wilder in a historic caliber fight. As I said for me,

1381
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,840
in my almost twenty five years of covering boxing, the

1382
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,920
best heavyweight title fight I have ever covered. I have

1383
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,760
covered many heavyweight world title fights. This was absolutely unforgettable.

1384
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,119
And it shows you though that even after just three

1385
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:53,280
years both of these I mean, Wilder is basically finished.

1386
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:56,639
He still plans to fight on, but after what he

1387
01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:59,360
did in the post of this fight is nothing to

1388
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,400
write home about. I mean, he came back and he

1389
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,639
scored like the one win against against Robert Helenius in

1390
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:09,000
the first round after a layoff, and then he lost

1391
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:11,719
his next two fights. He got beat by Joe Parker

1392
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,800
where he did absolutely nothing in the fight, and then

1393
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,320
he got knocked out basically with one shot by Zaying

1394
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,320
by Jillie Zang. That was back in June. And in

1395
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,440
terms of Tyson Fury, while he's still near the top,

1396
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,920
obviously in the post of this victory, he had a

1397
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:28,440
very good win and a good knockout in a big

1398
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,280
crowd at Wembley against Dillon White. Then he pan picked

1399
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:37,159
an easy fight against Derek Tesaa, his good friend. Then

1400
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:39,840
he took another layoff of almost a year, looked like

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01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,079
absolute trash against France and Nagano an MMA Fighter. So

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you ask yourself, was it a lack of preparation or

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01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,519
was it that he also was showing the effects of

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01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,360
a long career and certainly the wars with Wilder, and

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01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,159
you know, he's maybe over the mountain in terms of

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01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:53,800
other time.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 3: And then the next fight was the fight that we

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saw this past May, where even though it was competitive,

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he got knocked down by Alexander Russik, he got cut

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,559
by Alexander Usik, and he was, you know, all kinds

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of tired at the end of the fight, and he lost,

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in my opinion, a fair split decision. And now we'll

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see what happens when he goes in the ring with

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,039
Alexander Rusik in the rematch from December. But I don't

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01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:19,800
I think it's very obvious wherever you think Tyson Fury is,

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01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,280
he's certainly not what he was at his best when

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he was beating up on Deontay Wilder. And obviously for Wilder,

1419
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:28,400
you know, the end of the road is here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyson Fury broke Deontay Wilder in those two fights.

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01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: There's no don't make.

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01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 3: A mistake about this. Though Deontay Wilder may have been

1423
01:04:36,199 --> 01:04:38,840
broken in those fights, and lost and taken punishment. But

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01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,800
Tyson Fury did not escape unscathed.

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01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,599
Speaker 2: He was not saying he escaped on skate, but I'm

1426
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:44,840
saying Wilder was never the same after those two fights

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01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,079
and will never be the same.

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01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:46,639
Speaker 1: Not the same guy.

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01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:49,039
Speaker 2: I mean he he won the one fight with Helenius

1430
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,960
on one punch halfway through the first round, and then

1431
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,480
we went at another year to see him and he's

1432
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,920
obviously not the same old beaten up And You're right,

1433
01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:00,000
Fury is clearly on the back side of the career

1434
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:02,320
or if not at the end, especially if Usik dominates

1435
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:03,599
him again. I don't know where he goes from there.

1436
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:06,199
If if Usik dominates him again in December and.

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01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 3: He goes to the loser Leaves Town match with Anthony.

1438
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: Anthony Joshua, well we'll say on that great nostalgia lots

1439
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:16,079
on this pod, Fight recaps news all of it, and hey,

1440
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:18,639
guess what is we released this into Monday? It is

1441
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,039
Archer better b of Dmitri bevol fight week in Saudi

1442
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:25,199
Arabia and the undercard that you listed. Are you saying

1443
01:05:25,239 --> 01:05:27,840
one more time, don't contact you about how to see

1444
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:28,320
the fights?

1445
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,679
Speaker 1: I think you explained it here on that.

1446
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 3: I've explained it on this podcast that night. If you

1447
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,719
really want to know again, go to my what currently

1448
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,559
is my most recent notebook on my substance on the substack,

1449
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:41,719
and there's a section in there that explains it. Again.

1450
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,199
Speaker 1: It's there black and white.

1451
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: And just so if you have trouble finding it. It's

1452
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,920
a notebook that is the top of the notebook. The

1453
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,320
top section is the preview stuff about the nick Ball

1454
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:56,960
versus Ronnie Rio's fight. So it's the second section in

1455
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,199
that notebook. So either listen to this pod over or

1456
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:03,000
go read that section in the notebook. I've done everything

1457
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:04,920
I can do to tell you how to watch this show.

1458
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:07,639
If you're too fucking stupid not to understand what I've

1459
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:09,719
said or written, and I don't want to hear from

1460
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:10,480
you ever again.

1461
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: All right, on that cheering note, we're done, though, I

1462
01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:19,679
understand you're in a good mood your Yankees one game one.

1463
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:22,159
Speaker 1: Of the Baseball playoff series.

1464
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: Listen, in all seriousness, we're gonna hunker down here for

1465
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,480
whatever's gonna happen with Hurricane Milton that's coming in the

1466
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,280
middle of the week towards the state of Florida. Again,

1467
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,679
I live on the West coast of Florida. I don't

1468
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:35,760
know if it's gonna be evacuation time or not. We

1469
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,400
don't know that right now Sunday and Monday, but I

1470
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,199
pledge this somehow, someway. I'll be back in touch later

1471
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,639
this week on the pod with you in the preview

1472
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:46,880
mode for the fights in Saudi Arabia and everything else

1473
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:47,360
that's going on.

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01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: Deal will be good. All right, there we go.

1475
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: Make sure you follow, subscribe here, rate us, and review

1476
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,199
us as well on his podcast beat. If you enjoy

1477
01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:58,920
all of this, including the interviews, et cetera, five star reviews,

1478
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,920
help take the thirty seconds and do that on Apples, Preaker,

1479
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,519
Spotify for Dan Raphael, I am merely TJ Rings.

1480
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us on the Fight Preaks

1481
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,079
you nite recap pot