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Speaker 1: voice standards DMR Dstar, JESU System Fusion P twenty five
Speaker 1: NXDN the new M seventeen module. Why do we need
Speaker 1: so many digital voice modes in amateur radio and should
Speaker 1: they be standardized? I'm going to give you my thoughts
Speaker 1: in my insights, and I want to know what you think,
Speaker 1: So let's go. Today's video is sponsored by him dot Live.
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Speaker 1: for greater interest this idea. The idea for this video
Speaker 1: came to me from a comment I got on one
Speaker 1: of my latest videos about asking the Big four manufacturers
Speaker 1: what we need next? What do we need next? As
Speaker 1: far as radios go in the amateur radio world, what
Speaker 1: do we want to see in the amateur radio world?
Speaker 1: And what kind of radio are are people asking for?
Speaker 1: So this comment right, And once again, this comment came
Speaker 1: to me through there, and I thought this would make
Speaker 1: a really good video. It's something I've done videos about
Speaker 1: before in the past, and it's something I have not
Speaker 1: changed my mind about. In fact, I've got a little
Speaker 1: bit more insight for it now. So let's take a
Speaker 1: look at this real quick. This comes from Wayne pr
Speaker 1: and he's down in Australia VK three ecs Now, let
Speaker 1: me first say, Wayne, I agree with some of your points,
Speaker 1: but not all of them. I'll put it like that.
Speaker 1: But this is in no way to hassle you. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to call you out as being wrong or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I just want to make some points
Speaker 1: about this comment you made, so we don't have to agree,
Speaker 1: and that's okay. And you may not agree with what
Speaker 1: I say, and that's certainly okay too. But he says
Speaker 1: talking to fella, and again this is following the video
Speaker 1: that I made about what comes next? What do we
Speaker 1: want to see from the Big four Japanese manufacturers? In
Speaker 1: the amateur radio world, which in short, was a dual
Speaker 1: band all mode radio, a smaller mobile sized dual band
Speaker 1: almode radio, and a replacement for either the eight fifty
Speaker 1: seven or ICY seven thousand. So go watch that video link.
Speaker 1: It appearance somewhere talking to fellow Ham's here in Australia.
Speaker 1: Lots of them don't want he says s Star. He
Speaker 1: means d Star. Lots of them don't want d Star
Speaker 1: or Yazy Fusion. They want the much more popular and
Speaker 1: widely used DMR. So they are purchasing brands that have
Speaker 1: DMR and sadly that doesn't include icon In. YESU, he's
Speaker 1: correct about that. I think DMR is more popular than
Speaker 1: the other two. But also remember that's because it's a
Speaker 1: commercial standard, not an amateur radio standard, so only han
Speaker 1: are buying d Star and Fusion radios. Lots more people
Speaker 1: are buying DMR radios than just Hams, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of not an apples to apples comparison. But he's not wrong.
Speaker 1: DMR is more is the most popular standard out there
Speaker 1: right now, this three way digital battle has to come
Speaker 1: to an end, and there has to be one across
Speaker 1: the Board's standard. I disagree. I disagree with that statement,
Speaker 1: and I will explain why bear with me. Having to
Speaker 1: have two or three or even two or even three
Speaker 1: radios D Star or Yazy Fusion and DMR just so
Speaker 1: you can talk to others on a different digital network
Speaker 1: is just stupid. And he says, yes, I know you
Speaker 1: can get a hot spot, but is that a real answer. No, Well,
Speaker 1: actually it is a real answer. Actually, it is a
Speaker 1: real answer because you don't have to talk on every network.
Speaker 1: You don't have to talk on every band, you don't
Speaker 1: have to talk on every mode. You pick one that
Speaker 1: you like, or maybe a couple that you like, and
Speaker 1: you talk on those. Everything does not have to be interconnected.
Speaker 1: Everything does not have to be interconnected, and there's no
Speaker 1: reason it should be. More options are better than less,
Speaker 1: So let's keep reading. I'm gonna tell you my thoughts
Speaker 1: on that as well. There needs to be a digital
Speaker 1: standard in Australia. There are far more DMR repeaters than
Speaker 1: there are D Star Refusion. I believe that jesu Icon
Speaker 1: and Kinwood should give the purchaser an option to either
Speaker 1: purchase their radio with the digital mode or their radio
Speaker 1: with DMR. Okay, Well, Kinwood has DMR radios. They're on
Speaker 1: the commercial the NX series, the next edge, the NX
Speaker 1: fifty eight hundred x fifty five hundred. I think they're
Speaker 1: commercially produced and for sale radios, and they have commercial
Speaker 1: price tags on them too. Great radios, but you can
Speaker 1: actually get a Kinwood DMR radio today. They're monoband but
Speaker 1: they are made for each DMR radio and amateur radio purchases.
Speaker 1: That's one less icom or Jesu that an amateur is purchasing.
Speaker 1: I think what he means by that is that if
Speaker 1: Yazu and Icon gave us a choice between either d
Speaker 1: Star Fusion or DMR and we started purchasing more DMR
Speaker 1: radios ten then we would basically just weave them out
Speaker 1: of the amateur radio community, which is probably true. Honestly, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think he's got a point there. Okay, so here's
Speaker 1: my thoughts about everything he said. Okay, there needs to
Speaker 1: be a digital and he doesn't even talk about M
Speaker 1: seventeen or P twenty five or NXDN. NXDND is used
Speaker 1: very much in my area. I think there's some pretty
Speaker 1: good NXDN networks in Florida, I believe, and there's some
Speaker 1: P twenty five repeaters in this area and they get
Speaker 1: used kind of good, but you know, it's not near
Speaker 1: the big three as it were. Is DMR, D Star
Speaker 1: Infusion okay, and M seventeen is an up and comer.
Speaker 1: I really like using the M seventeen. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think there should be a standard, And no, I don't
Speaker 1: think you should expect to have all these networks tied together. Now,
Speaker 1: there are ways to tie I know there's networks out
Speaker 1: there where people tie in Fusion, D Star, DMR, P
Speaker 1: twenty five, all of the thing, even All Star Analog
Speaker 1: all Star is tied into it and everybody so everybody
Speaker 1: can talk to everybody all at the same time. Well, great,
Speaker 1: now you've got a traffic jam. Now you've got a
Speaker 1: system that's just of traffic because everyone and their dog
Speaker 1: is keyed up from every mode and every standard around
Speaker 1: the country, around the world. And now you've got people
Speaker 1: talking on this system that's basically unusable because it's got
Speaker 1: so much traffic from all of the sources that no
Speaker 1: one really people give up, People give up them, they
Speaker 1: go elsewhere. So is that a solution. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a solution. Look, we don't have a digital standard
Speaker 1: in HF radio. The term digital get gets thrown around
Speaker 1: too commonly. Okay, so what we're talking about today is
Speaker 1: digital voice DMR D Star Jesus System Fusion P Twenty
Speaker 1: five seventeen. These are digital voice modes. When you say
Speaker 1: digital modes in HF radio, you're talking about FT eight
Speaker 1: JS eight, call JT sixty five PSK thirty one. Riddy,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch more. There's a bunch more little ones
Speaker 1: out there you've probably never heard of. There's some out
Speaker 1: there I've never even heard of. I heard about a
Speaker 1: new one the other day. There's one called Oliver or
Speaker 1: Olivia or something like that. That one's been around a while.
Speaker 1: But J nine is another one FT four. Okay. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of digital transmission standards in HF, and
Speaker 1: these are basically keyboard to keyboard protocols. You're on a
Speaker 1: computer a keyboard and you're typing a message, or you
Speaker 1: send a signal from a computer program across the airwaves
Speaker 1: to another person with a computer that's decoding that signal
Speaker 1: and sending it back to you, and you have a
Speaker 1: qso that way, those don't need to be standardized. We
Speaker 1: don't need to get rid of everything but FT eight
Speaker 1: or we don't need to go back to PSK thirty
Speaker 1: one and get rid of everything except that we don't
Speaker 1: need to mesh all of those together. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: don't think you should look at digital voice that way either.
Speaker 1: Analog voice is the same way. Guess what we have
Speaker 1: FM repeaters. We have AM and single sideban on HF.
Speaker 1: We have AM and single sideban on simplex on two
Speaker 1: meters and four forty as well. I don't think all
Speaker 1: of those should be meshed together. And I'd say get
Speaker 1: rid of AM and get rid of sideban. Everyone talk
Speaker 1: on FM. No, No, I don't think we got upper
Speaker 1: and lower sideban. We got different sides of the sideband. Okay,
Speaker 1: you've got AM with this which both side mans. I
Speaker 1: think all of those modes and features, all of those
Speaker 1: modes and transmission types have a place somewhere. So no,
Speaker 1: I don't think there should be a digital voice standard.
Speaker 1: I think people should use what they want to. I
Speaker 1: think if you want to use DMR, you should go
Speaker 1: off on your own DMR network. Forget about connecting d
Speaker 1: Star and system Fusion to it. Okay, if you want
Speaker 1: to use d Star then go off on a d
Speaker 1: Star network and talk to your d Star buddies. Forget
Speaker 1: about connecting fusion and DMR to it. What's the point
Speaker 1: I understand you say, well, we don't want to leave
Speaker 1: people out. Well, okay, okay, but there's no one stopping
Speaker 1: you from buying a radio for this mode. Okay. And
Speaker 1: you can also get pi star and now the new
Speaker 1: open Spot four and four pro and the new m
Speaker 1: one Ke open Spot there that they just came out with.
Speaker 1: I just ordered one of those. We'll see that. In fact,
Speaker 1: you might see that video before this one. We'll see
Speaker 1: the open spot will transcode everything to everything. It'll it'll
Speaker 1: transcode DMR to d Star to Fusion to back to
Speaker 1: dm to P twenty five to NXDN, all of the things.
Speaker 1: The open Spot does not do M seventeen yet, but
Speaker 1: pi Star will do transcoding of M seventeen to some things.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's fully transcodable yet, but it probably
Speaker 1: will be one day. Pie Star does not do d
Speaker 1: Star transcoding, so you have to have a pie Star
Speaker 1: to do M seventeen, and you have to have an
Speaker 1: open Spot to do d Star trans coding. Okay, right, now,
Speaker 1: at the time of this recording, seventeen is on its
Speaker 1: it's in its infancy, it's brand new. It hasn't even
Speaker 1: been fully implemented yet. As far as I know, there's
Speaker 1: only one radio in the world that actually transmit M
Speaker 1: seventeen simplex, So M seventeen is not really part of
Speaker 1: the game yet. I think it will be. I think
Speaker 1: it should be. I think it's a neat mode. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to trying it more and more. In fact,
Speaker 1: here is my seventeen CS seveny seventeen radio right there.
Speaker 1: Did a live stream with Ed and Steve on this
Speaker 1: a while back. I'm going to do some more videos
Speaker 1: with that soon. Son as an up and comer, but
Speaker 1: it's not quite there yet as far as the other
Speaker 1: three goes. So, but the open spot will do trans coding.
Speaker 1: So if you want to buy a DMR radio and
Speaker 1: talk on d Star, you can do that with an
Speaker 1: open spot. If you want to buy a d Star
Speaker 1: radio and talk on DMR re fusion, you can do
Speaker 1: that with an open spot. There are ways out there,
Speaker 1: and you say, well, that's not a good They just
Speaker 1: need to forget everything and just get rid of everything
Speaker 1: and make one standard and I'm like, how is that different?
Speaker 1: First of all, you're regulating digital voice if you do that,
Speaker 1: and second of all, you're limiting the places that amateur
Speaker 1: radio operators can talk. I think we should. I think
Speaker 1: we should have more places to talk, not less. I
Speaker 1: don't think less places to talk is the answer to
Speaker 1: the situation that we're talking about today. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: think more places to talk, not less, is the thing
Speaker 1: to do. When you're talking about digital voice modes. If
Speaker 1: you don't want to talk on d Star, you don't
Speaker 1: want to talk on System Fusion, you don't want to
Speaker 1: talk on DMR because you don't want to buy these modes.
Speaker 1: Hey man, more power to it. That's fine, But I
Speaker 1: don't think there should be an expectation that you key
Speaker 1: up on every system and every network anywhere, and you
Speaker 1: should be able to get into that network and that
Speaker 1: system from any mode including all Star, Analog all Star,
Speaker 1: or Echo Link all Star including that, and get in
Speaker 1: there so everyone can talk everywhere. I think that just
Speaker 1: creates big, big networks that are bad with latency, have
Speaker 1: too many people on them, have a lot of drop
Speaker 1: packets because there's just too much on the system. Go
Speaker 1: off and get on your own talk group and your
Speaker 1: own chat room and your own whatever to talk to
Speaker 1: your buddies instead of trying to clog up one or
Speaker 1: two systems that has everyone on it. So I want
Speaker 1: to go. I want to know what you guys think below.
Speaker 1: Put a comment BLOW, because I'd like to know what
Speaker 1: you think. Do you use what's your favorite? First of all,
Speaker 1: let me ask what's your favorite digital mode? What is
Speaker 1: your favorite digital mode? Okay is at DMR Dstar system Fusion.
Speaker 1: Do you have one of each? I have one of each.
Speaker 1: I have several of each. Actually, I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: m seventeen. And if you're planning on running nets or
Speaker 1: participating in a net on any of these modes, there's
Speaker 1: an seventeen net I think out of Oklahoma on Mondays.
Speaker 1: I keep meaning to check into that. I got to
Speaker 1: put it on my calendar so I remember it. If
Speaker 1: you're planning on doing net control or checking into any
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Speaker 1: HAMDT Live for supporting this channel. So I really want
Speaker 1: to know what. I want to know what your favorite
Speaker 1: digital mode is. Are you using M seventeen, are you
Speaker 1: looking forward to that? And do you disagree with what
Speaker 1: I said today? I don't think there should be a
Speaker 1: standard and digital voice anymore, and I think there should
Speaker 1: be a standard in HF digital or in analog voice.
Speaker 1: You want to create a new digital voice mode, go
Speaker 1: for it. Ham Radio is all about experimentation. It's all
Speaker 1: about experimentation and trying new standards. And that's exactly what
Speaker 1: we're doing when we brought DMR into Ham Radio. That's
Speaker 1: what we were doing when we were the group that's
Speaker 1: working on M seventeen, that's what they're doing. You don't
Speaker 1: want to talk on it, don't talk on it. You're
Speaker 1: happy over on d Star and then use d Star
Speaker 1: you're happy over on Fusion, use Fusion. I've gotten a
Speaker 1: lot more into Fusion lately. Honestly, even though I think
Speaker 1: DMR is probably a better standard than most of these,
Speaker 1: I kind of lost my interest for DMR because people
Speaker 1: just don't use it correctly. I'm gonna put it that way.
Speaker 1: People don't use it correctly. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about that, put a
Speaker 1: comment in the video blow and maybe I'll make another
Speaker 1: video about that. But right now, check out this video
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