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<v Speaker 1>voice standards DMR Dstar, JESU System Fusion P twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>NXDN the new M seventeen module. Why do we need

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<v Speaker 1>so many digital voice modes in amateur radio and should

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<v Speaker 1>they be standardized? I'm going to give you my thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>in my insights, and I want to know what you think,

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<v Speaker 1>for greater interest this idea. The idea for this video

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<v Speaker 1>came to me from a comment I got on one

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<v Speaker 1>of my latest videos about asking the Big four manufacturers

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<v Speaker 1>what we need next? What do we need next? As

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<v Speaker 1>far as radios go in the amateur radio world, what

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<v Speaker 1>do we want to see in the amateur radio world?

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<v Speaker 1>And what kind of radio are are people asking for?

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<v Speaker 1>So this comment right, And once again, this comment came

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<v Speaker 1>to me through there, and I thought this would make

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<v Speaker 1>a really good video. It's something I've done videos about

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<v Speaker 1>before in the past, and it's something I have not

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<v Speaker 1>changed my mind about. In fact, I've got a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more insight for it now. So let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at this real quick. This comes from Wayne pr

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<v Speaker 1>and he's down in Australia VK three ecs Now, let

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<v Speaker 1>me first say, Wayne, I agree with some of your points,

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<v Speaker 1>but not all of them. I'll put it like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is in no way to hassle you. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to call you out as being wrong or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. I just want to make some points

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<v Speaker 1>about this comment you made, so we don't have to agree,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's okay. And you may not agree with what

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<v Speaker 1>I say, and that's certainly okay too. But he says

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<v Speaker 1>talking to fella, and again this is following the video

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<v Speaker 1>that I made about what comes next? What do we

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<v Speaker 1>want to see from the Big four Japanese manufacturers? In

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<v Speaker 1>the amateur radio world, which in short, was a dual

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<v Speaker 1>band all mode radio, a smaller mobile sized dual band

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<v Speaker 1>almode radio, and a replacement for either the eight fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seven or ICY seven thousand. So go watch that video link.

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<v Speaker 1>It appearance somewhere talking to fellow Ham's here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of them don't want he says s Star. He

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<v Speaker 1>means d Star. Lots of them don't want d Star

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<v Speaker 1>or Yazy Fusion. They want the much more popular and

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<v Speaker 1>widely used DMR. So they are purchasing brands that have

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<v Speaker 1>DMR and sadly that doesn't include icon In. YESU, he's

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<v Speaker 1>correct about that. I think DMR is more popular than

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<v Speaker 1>the other two. But also remember that's because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>commercial standard, not an amateur radio standard, so only han

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<v Speaker 1>are buying d Star and Fusion radios. Lots more people

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<v Speaker 1>are buying DMR radios than just Hams, so it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of not an apples to apples comparison. But he's not wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>DMR is more is the most popular standard out there

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<v Speaker 1>right now, this three way digital battle has to come

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<v Speaker 1>to an end, and there has to be one across

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<v Speaker 1>the Board's standard. I disagree. I disagree with that statement,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will explain why bear with me. Having to

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<v Speaker 1>have two or three or even two or even three

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<v Speaker 1>radios D Star or Yazy Fusion and DMR just so

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<v Speaker 1>you can talk to others on a different digital network

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<v Speaker 1>is just stupid. And he says, yes, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>can get a hot spot, but is that a real answer. No, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>actually it is a real answer. Actually, it is a

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<v Speaker 1>real answer because you don't have to talk on every network.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to talk on every band, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk on every mode. You pick one that

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<v Speaker 1>you like, or maybe a couple that you like, and

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<v Speaker 1>you talk on those. Everything does not have to be interconnected.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything does not have to be interconnected, and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>reason it should be. More options are better than less,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's keep reading. I'm gonna tell you my thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on that as well. There needs to be a digital

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<v Speaker 1>standard in Australia. There are far more DMR repeaters than

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<v Speaker 1>there are D Star Refusion. I believe that jesu Icon

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<v Speaker 1>and Kinwood should give the purchaser an option to either

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<v Speaker 1>purchase their radio with the digital mode or their radio

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<v Speaker 1>with DMR. Okay, Well, Kinwood has DMR radios. They're on

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<v Speaker 1>the commercial the NX series, the next edge, the NX

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eight hundred x fifty five hundred. I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>commercially produced and for sale radios, and they have commercial

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<v Speaker 1>price tags on them too. Great radios, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually get a Kinwood DMR radio today. They're monoband but

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<v Speaker 1>they are made for each DMR radio and amateur radio purchases.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one less icom or Jesu that an amateur is purchasing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what he means by that is that if

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<v Speaker 1>Yazu and Icon gave us a choice between either d

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<v Speaker 1>Star Fusion or DMR and we started purchasing more DMR

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<v Speaker 1>radios ten then we would basically just weave them out

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<v Speaker 1>of the amateur radio community, which is probably true. Honestly, Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's got a point there. Okay, so here's

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<v Speaker 1>my thoughts about everything he said. Okay, there needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be a digital and he doesn't even talk about M

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen or P twenty five or NXDN. NXDND is used

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<v Speaker 1>very much in my area. I think there's some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good NXDN networks in Florida, I believe, and there's some

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<v Speaker 1>P twenty five repeaters in this area and they get

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<v Speaker 1>used kind of good, but you know, it's not near

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<v Speaker 1>the big three as it were. Is DMR, D Star

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<v Speaker 1>Infusion okay, and M seventeen is an up and comer.

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<v Speaker 1>I really like using the M seventeen. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think there should be a standard, And no, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you should expect to have all these networks tied together. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are ways to tie I know there's networks out

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<v Speaker 1>there where people tie in Fusion, D Star, DMR, P

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, all of the thing, even All Star Analog

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<v Speaker 1>all Star is tied into it and everybody so everybody

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<v Speaker 1>can talk to everybody all at the same time. Well, great,

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<v Speaker 1>now you've got a traffic jam. Now you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>system that's just of traffic because everyone and their dog

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<v Speaker 1>is keyed up from every mode and every standard around

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<v Speaker 1>the country, around the world. And now you've got people

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<v Speaker 1>talking on this system that's basically unusable because it's got

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<v Speaker 1>so much traffic from all of the sources that no

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<v Speaker 1>one really people give up, People give up them, they

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<v Speaker 1>go elsewhere. So is that a solution. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a solution. Look, we don't have a digital standard

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<v Speaker 1>in HF radio. The term digital get gets thrown around

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<v Speaker 1>too commonly. Okay, so what we're talking about today is

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<v Speaker 1>digital voice DMR D Star Jesus System Fusion P Twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five seventeen. These are digital voice modes. When you say

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<v Speaker 1>digital modes in HF radio, you're talking about FT eight

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<v Speaker 1>JS eight, call JT sixty five PSK thirty one. Riddy,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch more. There's a bunch more little ones

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<v Speaker 1>out there you've probably never heard of. There's some out

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<v Speaker 1>there I've never even heard of. I heard about a

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<v Speaker 1>new one the other day. There's one called Oliver or

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia or something like that. That one's been around a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But J nine is another one FT four. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of digital transmission standards in HF, and

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<v Speaker 1>these are basically keyboard to keyboard protocols. You're on a

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<v Speaker 1>computer a keyboard and you're typing a message, or you

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<v Speaker 1>send a signal from a computer program across the airwaves

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<v Speaker 1>to another person with a computer that's decoding that signal

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<v Speaker 1>and sending it back to you, and you have a

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<v Speaker 1>qso that way, those don't need to be standardized. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to get rid of everything but FT eight

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<v Speaker 1>or we don't need to go back to PSK thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one and get rid of everything except that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to mesh all of those together. Okay, So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you should look at digital voice that way either.

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<v Speaker 1>Analog voice is the same way. Guess what we have

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<v Speaker 1>FM repeaters. We have AM and single sideban on HF.

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<v Speaker 1>We have AM and single sideban on simplex on two

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<v Speaker 1>meters and four forty as well. I don't think all

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<v Speaker 1>of those should be meshed together. And I'd say get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of AM and get rid of sideban. Everyone talk

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<v Speaker 1>on FM. No, No, I don't think we got upper

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<v Speaker 1>and lower sideban. We got different sides of the sideband. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got AM with this which both side mans. I

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<v Speaker 1>think all of those modes and features, all of those

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<v Speaker 1>modes and transmission types have a place somewhere. So no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there should be a digital voice standard.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people should use what they want to. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you want to use DMR, you should go

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<v Speaker 1>off on your own DMR network. Forget about connecting d

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<v Speaker 1>Star and system Fusion to it. Okay, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to use d Star then go off on a d

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<v Speaker 1>Star network and talk to your d Star buddies. Forget

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<v Speaker 1>about connecting fusion and DMR to it. What's the point

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<v Speaker 1>I understand you say, well, we don't want to leave

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<v Speaker 1>people out. Well, okay, okay, but there's no one stopping

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<v Speaker 1>you from buying a radio for this mode. Okay. And

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<v Speaker 1>you can also get pi star and now the new

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<v Speaker 1>open Spot four and four pro and the new m

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<v Speaker 1>one Ke open Spot there that they just came out with.

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<v Speaker 1>I just ordered one of those. We'll see that. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you might see that video before this one. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>the open spot will transcode everything to everything. It'll it'll

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<v Speaker 1>transcode DMR to d Star to Fusion to back to

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<v Speaker 1>dm to P twenty five to NXDN, all of the things.

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<v Speaker 1>The open Spot does not do M seventeen yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>pi Star will do transcoding of M seventeen to some things.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's fully transcodable yet, but it probably

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<v Speaker 1>will be one day. Pie Star does not do d

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<v Speaker 1>Star transcoding, so you have to have a pie Star

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<v Speaker 1>to do M seventeen, and you have to have an

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<v Speaker 1>open Spot to do d Star trans coding. Okay, right, now,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of this recording, seventeen is on its

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<v Speaker 1>it's in its infancy, it's brand new. It hasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>been fully implemented yet. As far as I know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>only one radio in the world that actually transmit M

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen simplex, So M seventeen is not really part of

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<v Speaker 1>the game yet. I think it will be. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it should be. I think it's a neat mode. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to trying it more and more. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>here is my seventeen CS seveny seventeen radio right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Did a live stream with Ed and Steve on this

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<v Speaker 1>a while back. I'm going to do some more videos

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<v Speaker 1>with that soon. Son as an up and comer, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not quite there yet as far as the other

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<v Speaker 1>three goes. So, but the open spot will do trans coding.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to buy a DMR radio and

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<v Speaker 1>talk on d Star, you can do that with an

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<v Speaker 1>open spot. If you want to buy a d Star

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<v Speaker 1>radio and talk on DMR re fusion, you can do

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<v Speaker 1>that with an open spot. There are ways out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and you say, well, that's not a good They just

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<v Speaker 1>need to forget everything and just get rid of everything

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<v Speaker 1>and make one standard and I'm like, how is that different?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you're regulating digital voice if you do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and second of all, you're limiting the places that amateur

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<v Speaker 1>radio operators can talk. I think we should. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should have more places to talk, not less. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think less places to talk is the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>the situation that we're talking about today. Okay, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think more places to talk, not less, is the thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do. When you're talking about digital voice modes. If

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to talk on d Star, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk on System Fusion, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk on DMR because you don't want to buy these modes.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey man, more power to it. That's fine, But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there should be an expectation that you key

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<v Speaker 1>up on every system and every network anywhere, and you

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to get into that network and that

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<v Speaker 1>system from any mode including all Star, Analog all Star,

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<v Speaker 1>or Echo Link all Star including that, and get in

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<v Speaker 1>there so everyone can talk everywhere. I think that just

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<v Speaker 1>creates big, big networks that are bad with latency, have

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<v Speaker 1>too many people on them, have a lot of drop

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<v Speaker 1>packets because there's just too much on the system. Go

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<v Speaker 1>off and get on your own talk group and your

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<v Speaker 1>own chat room and your own whatever to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>your buddies instead of trying to clog up one or

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<v Speaker 1>two systems that has everyone on it. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go. I want to know what you guys think below.

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<v Speaker 1>Put a comment BLOW, because I'd like to know what

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<v Speaker 1>you think. Do you use what's your favorite? First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>let me ask what's your favorite digital mode? What is

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite digital mode? Okay is at DMR Dstar system Fusion.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have one of each? I have one of each.

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<v Speaker 1>I have several of each. Actually, I'm looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>m seventeen. And if you're planning on running nets or

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<v Speaker 1>participating in a net on any of these modes, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an seventeen net I think out of Oklahoma on Mondays.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep meaning to check into that. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>put it on my calendar so I remember it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're planning on doing net control or checking into any

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<v Speaker 1>of these nets, I highly recommend ham dot Live. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a free service. I interviewed Sean from hamt Live

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<v Speaker 1>on this channel a while back. I will put a

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<v Speaker 1>link to that video in the description blow. Ham dot

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<v Speaker 1>Live is like Netlogger, but more robust. You can access

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<v Speaker 1>it from any platform. It's web based. You can get

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<v Speaker 1>to it from your phone, tablet, or computer, whatever computer

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<v Speaker 1>operating system you have, and you can share links to

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<v Speaker 1>it and get people more interested in seeing what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>on your net with just a more interactive interface then

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<v Speaker 1>you're used to. So share the link to ham dot live,

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<v Speaker 1>check the linked in the description, blow and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>HAMDT Live for supporting this channel. So I really want

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<v Speaker 1>to know what. I want to know what your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>digital mode is. Are you using M seventeen, are you

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to that? And do you disagree with what

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<v Speaker 1>I said today? I don't think there should be a

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<v Speaker 1>standard and digital voice anymore, and I think there should

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<v Speaker 1>be a standard in HF digital or in analog voice.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to create a new digital voice mode, go

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Ham Radio is all about experimentation. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>about experimentation and trying new standards. And that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing when we brought DMR into Ham Radio. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what we were doing when we were the group that's

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<v Speaker 1>working on M seventeen, that's what they're doing. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk on it, don't talk on it. You're

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<v Speaker 1>happy over on d Star and then use d Star

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<v Speaker 1>you're happy over on Fusion, use Fusion. I've gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more into Fusion lately. Honestly, even though I think

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<v Speaker 1>DMR is probably a better standard than most of these,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of lost my interest for DMR because people

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<v Speaker 1>just don't use it correctly. I'm gonna put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't use it correctly. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to know more about that, put a

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<v Speaker 1>comment in the video blow and maybe I'll make another

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<v Speaker 1>video about that. But right now, check out this video

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<v Speaker 1>because it is what YouTube thinks that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>watch next. Seventy three