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BYU initially hired to 51 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,560 Mario Warren to coach the corners right coach the cornersbacks, 52 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,840 and he was listed as a passing game coordinator. 53 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:32,039 Speaker 2: Well, they've made the move. 54 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,439 Speaker 3: They've pushed de Mario over to the safety's room and 55 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:39,719 he's still the passing game coordinator. They brought in Lewis 56 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:43,120 Walker cornerbacks coach. Okay, this is what Kolani had to 57 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:46,719 say about Lewis Walker. I've known Lewis for a long time, 58 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:49,120 ever since he was a player for me at Utah, 59 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,479 so Kilani coach to them at Utah. He has a 60 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,039 strong He's got strong expertise teaching cornerbacks and defensive backs 61 00:02:56,039 --> 00:02:59,439 and has also been a coordinator overseeing the entire defense 62 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:02,280 for two years in North Dakota State. He knows the 63 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:06,240 small details matter and truly cares about the development of players. 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,039 He coaches. He is from Utah, so he knows our 65 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,879 state well. I'm excited to welcome Lewis to BYU. He's 66 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,080 a native of Salt Lake City. Walker comes to BA 67 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:18,960 after working the past eleven seasons in the NCAA Football 68 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:24,400 Championship Subdivision, including multiple stops at Monmouth University and FCS 69 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,039 Powerhouse North Dakota State. He served as a defensive coordinator 70 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,919 at Monmouth in New Jersey the past two years, where 71 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,479 the Hawks improved from a six and six season in 72 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,719 twenty twenty four to earn a nine to three record 73 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,240 in twenty twenty five as members of the Coastal Athletic Association. 74 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:42,319 Lewis officially comes to BAU from North Dakota State, where 75 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,159 he had rejoined the Bison staff on December thirty first, 76 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:49,560 after having previously coached cornerbacks in Fargo for two seasons. 77 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,919 From twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, Walker helped 78 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,159 the Bison achieve an overall record of twenty three and 79 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:01,159 seven and challenged for the national title ball seasons. In 80 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:03,360 twenty twenty two, the team he advanced to the FCS 81 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:07,680 National Championship Game before finishing as the national runner up. 82 00:04:07,719 --> 00:04:09,599 Speaker 2: With an overall record of twelve and three. 83 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, the Bison achieved an eleven to 84 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,840 four record while advancing to the FCS National semi Finals. 85 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:20,720 Before going to North Dakota State, Walker served five seasons 86 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,600 as defensive back coach during his first stint at Monmouth 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,079 from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one. Monmouth made three 88 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,959 FCS playoff appearances during Walker's time coaching defensive backs and 89 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,240 contributed to two Big Big. 90 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: South Conference titles. 91 00:04:34,199 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: He coached three FCS All Americans while overseeing the defensive, 92 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:40,680 secondary and return specialists for the Hawks. 93 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: During each of his five seasons. 94 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,879 Speaker 3: The players he mentored went on to earn at least 95 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,240 two All Big Big South honors for their play, including 96 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:53,600 at least one first team selection every year. So Walker 97 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:55,639 began his coach career as a secondary coach and especial 98 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,839 teams coordinator at Copper Hills High School here in West 99 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Jordan in twenty fourteen before going to Columbia University in 100 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,800 New York City for the twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen 101 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,360 seasons as a defensive quality control, defensive back and return coach. 102 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,279 So shout out to Lewis Walker as a player. Walker 103 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,360 was a defensive back at the University of Why from 104 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:16,560 two thousand and eight to twenty ten before transferring to 105 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,839 complete the final two years of his college career at 106 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:22,079 Utah in eleven twenty twelve. He prepped in Salt Lake 107 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,240 City at Judge Memorial High School, where he was a 108 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,879 team captain and the team's most inspirational player. I'm excited 109 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,680 for the opportunity to join this bou program, Walker said, 110 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,959 I'm really looking forward to being a lot to being 111 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,800 with a lot of familiar people at this elite level 112 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,560 and a chance to learn and grow from a great 113 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,079 administration and staff here. 114 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:44,519 Speaker 2: I can't wait to get in. 115 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: And develop our cornerbacks and build relationships with all of them. 116 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,639 Speaker 2: Love this hire. 117 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: Really impressed by his resume and the sequencing and crescendoing. 118 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: And leveling up as he went. 119 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: Loved that he's got connectivity and roots here in Utah 120 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,240 with family, And you know what really stands out to 121 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,079 me is at Judge obviously a team captain, but both 122 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,639 the most inspirational. This guy is a positive light for 123 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:15,920 good and I think he's going to embody the spirit 124 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:19,040 of what BYU is trying to bring to the Kilane 125 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,839 culture and embrace that and acquire more talent to come 126 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:30,160 in to represent the culture and the school that is 127 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:32,920 very discipleship driven right now, So very excited about this. 128 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:37,480 Shout out to the new Cornerbacks coach Lewis Walker for Byu. 129 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,000 Let's talk some BU basketball, let's transition and welcome in 130 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,040 the six foot a two and twenty five pounder of 131 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:50,319 out of Brasil, and of course Bishop Gorman, let's welcome in. 132 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: Jonathan Tavnari, what's up? JT for three? 133 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 4: I'm doing great, man, I'm I'm a little bummed out 134 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,959 because of the law and you know, back to back 135 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,240 losses for Buyu and so kind of a kind of 136 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,439 a dreary day here for me. 137 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a tough loss, no doubt. 138 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:12,399 Speaker 3: They made it respectable though, right and they they got 139 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:13,759 it within four points. 140 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:15,759 Speaker 2: And this is a this is a tail as old 141 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:16,639 as time, JT. 142 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:19,959 Speaker 3: They get down twenty, they come roaring back and they 143 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,040 make it respectful and sometimes they win, but more often 144 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:23,759 they lose. 145 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:29,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately, you know a lot of happened on that game, 146 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,720 and you know Buyu is still missing. It's marquee win 147 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:39,079 of the season, right against twenty five you know, twenty 148 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:42,399 fIF franc Wisconsin at the time that they did it, 149 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,720 and you know the day one by thirty at the 150 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:50,399 Delta Center, you know, and then maybe Clemson. Right, But 151 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,000 again those so far have been the best wins that 152 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,519 BUYU has had and you know they didn't have it. 153 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,959 And again, right, they have lost now four games. They've 154 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,839 lost to number three, you can, they've lost to number 155 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:13,360 fifteen Texas, tack to number one, number one Arizona, and 156 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,920 number nineteen Kansas, and so they're now losing to a 157 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:22,199 bunch of booty boos, you know from Booboo State University College. Right, 158 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:28,519 and so, but nonetheless, for the investments and you know, 159 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,800 the attention and the height that this team is getting, 160 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:33,799 you would hope that at least one of those. 161 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,039 Speaker 5: Games BILU would have won it. 162 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: Now you can make the argument that only one of 163 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,159 them was at home, and that all three of those games, 164 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,960 with the exception of Texas tack, so three out of 165 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,440 those four games it came down to arguably the last shot. 166 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,440 You can make that comment, right, And it's just happens 167 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,559 to be one of those situations where you know, it 168 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:00,600 just need to be better, and they're just not doing 169 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:04,000 that right now, and they're not getting the job done. 170 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,080 I'm not saying anything controversial. I'm not causing and stirring 171 00:09:08,159 --> 00:09:10,759 up any any drama. The fact of the matter is 172 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:13,120 b YU needs to figure out a way to win 173 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:17,039 these games because Ben, out of the next twelve games 174 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,639 that they have in February in March, four of them 175 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,279 are again stop fifteen teams, and b YU better win 176 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,960 at least two of them otherwise, you know, going into 177 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,919 Martin Man March Madness with al a marquee win, you know, 178 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,600 they're definitely not going to be a four seed. I 179 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,960 really don't think they're gonna I mean, unless they go 180 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:42,720 indefeeder from now to the end of the season, I 181 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,279 think that they're you know, the best that they can 182 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,279 be is maybe a four seed. They're pending at three. 183 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,960 But you know, like there's a lot of stake here 184 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,559 because if you get in the tournament, seeding matters like 185 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,519 five twelve matchup, and then on that five and five 186 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,279 twelve men up the next next time you're playing against 187 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:07,480 you know, a four seed, and so you know there's 188 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,559 a lot on the line for this team in these 189 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,480 next six weeks and uh, you know, Saturday's game to 190 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,919 me was a you know, a a microcosm of the 191 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,240 fact that BUYU just hasn't been able to finish and 192 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,039 to get a marquee win. And I'm not gonna even say, 193 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,240 I'm not going to criticize Kevin Young. I'm not going 194 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,039 to criticize players, or at least not heavily. 195 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 5: But they just need to get one of these. 196 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: Games, man, because if not that, it's it's going to 197 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,279 get interesting about about seating. 198 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,279 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. It's gonna be Uh. 199 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 3: That's that's the issue right now, right it's the seating issue. 200 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,759 It's not that BYU is not an an NCAA tournament team. 201 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:53,480 We know they are, right, it's uh, it's proper seeding 202 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,600 in the best path uh to uh to get into 203 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:00,960 a Sweet sixteen Elite eight and beyond that at do 204 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,240 you feel like BLA is going to figure this out? 205 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,159 Last year, JT, when we were having you on now 206 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:09,639 late late January, early February, we were asking questions about 207 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:11,840 the identity of the team. You know, we were asking 208 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,519 about the bench, we were asking about three point shooting, 209 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:17,879 and they figured it out. But what mag stepped up 210 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:20,919 in a big way three and d Trevinell was hitting 211 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:25,200 guys like Dawson Baker, came off the bench, jaeg Or 212 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,759 started to really come into his own as a as 213 00:11:29,799 --> 00:11:31,399 a scorer and distributor. 214 00:11:32,159 --> 00:11:35,799 Speaker 2: Are they going to figure this out? Do you think? 215 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know, the flowers that be 216 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:42,480 certainly get paid well enough that you would hope that 217 00:11:42,519 --> 00:11:47,360 they figure it out, right, And I just don't know. 218 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:50,840 Right at this point, I will say, Kevin Young has 219 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:55,600 a lot of experience, you know, but it now has 220 00:11:55,639 --> 00:11:58,799 been back to back games that I will say, you know, like, 221 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,679 am I gonna start Am I gonna start criticizing Aj? 222 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:02,639 Absolutely not. 223 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 5: But there's also to be said that the. 224 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,799 Speaker 1: Last two games AJ hasn't shot the ball particularly well 225 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:12,159 and has forced a lot of shots. 226 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 5: And so is that a negative thing? 227 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: Is that a bad thing? Is that are knock on him? Well, 228 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:19,799 it depends on how you look at it, because he's 229 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:23,399 the number one player you know, in the country that's 230 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,600 not in the NBA or the euro League. 231 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,159 Speaker 5: And you know, you can definitely say the same. 232 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: About Darreon Peterson, right, I mean, Darren Peterson didn't play 233 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,679 well in the second half. You also got pulled out, 234 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:36,440 you know, like there's a lot of going on about 235 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,559 his agent and the associated flag director. 236 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 5: You know, one thing. 237 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: That I command AJ is he is always available no 238 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:45,519 matter what. 239 00:12:47,039 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 5: You know. 240 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: But in the first half Darren Peterson very much looked 241 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,320 like the first speaking a draft and AJ didn't. And 242 00:12:53,399 --> 00:12:57,320 so but again none of that matters because at the 243 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,759 end of the Dame Richie Saunders was the player on 244 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,840 the floor that night, and so them. You know, there's 245 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,639 a lot of things to consider here. You know, like 246 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,440 the roster was formed with Nate Dickens and and and 247 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,320 Dawson Baker and Brody Koslowski in mind, and all three 248 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,200 of those guys are done for the season. You know, 249 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,480 I'm surprised that Ahilo hasn't been more effective, that Alexei 250 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:23,360 hasn't been more effective. You know, certainly expected a little 251 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:29,279 bit more overall from from Canard, you know, but again 252 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,000 he found his shooting groove against Arizona. You know, development 253 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,759 of Hadem is coming along, and then the addition of Abdullah, 254 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:41,879 and so I think there's a lot of things to 255 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,120 consider here, Ben, you know, but I think you know 256 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,720 what if I I will say this before I toss 257 00:13:47,759 --> 00:13:51,080 it back to you, Ben, as a fan and as 258 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,600 someone who is very in touch with Cougar Nation as 259 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,000 much as you are, Ben, I don't think that you 260 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:02,240 would bat an eyelash at me saying that BYU fans 261 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:05,960 overall are going huh for as much of a hype 262 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,840 as this team has not seeing you know, BYU coming 263 00:14:10,919 --> 00:14:15,919 through on these four losses. It's you know, you're not 264 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:18,919 quitting on the team, but at the same time you're like, huh, 265 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,840 I thought he would be getting it done. And I 266 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:23,320 don't think that's a crazy thing to say. 267 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:23,559 Speaker 5: Ben. 268 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you always you know, life's all about expectations, right, 269 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:32,799 and the expectation is at the end of the year, right, 270 00:14:32,879 --> 00:14:34,799 that's when we get to, you know, see what the 271 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:37,320 final grade is. But in the lead up to it, 272 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:41,120 you do want to see signs of the ceiling, is 273 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:43,159 what I like to call it. So what's the sign 274 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,120 of the ceiling? Well, I don't know. This is this 275 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,360 a This looks more like maybe a Sweet sixteen team 276 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:52,879 than it does an Elite eight and Final four team, 277 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:54,279 which would be. 278 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: What by you did last year. 279 00:14:56,279 --> 00:14:58,759 Speaker 3: So a lot of BUA Fansas say, wow, well you 280 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,600 paid a lot for this raw, sure you know you've 281 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,919 invested a lot in this roster and you didn't really 282 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,799 get the R o I in return. 283 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: And I think that's the issue, the invitation and the 284 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:08,960 return on investment. 285 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm I one hundred percent agree with you. I 286 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,320 think that you know the way that you that you 287 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,200 eloquently put the business in perspective. What's the roy Because 288 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,879 they already be into the sweet sixteen right now, back 289 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:25,879 to back sweet sixteings. We can also knock on that 290 00:15:25,919 --> 00:15:27,080 because it's never been done in. 291 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,159 Speaker 5: The Uyu history. I get that. 292 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:35,639 Speaker 1: However, you know, perception is reality, and the perception is 293 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:39,559 that this team has the put ahead, all of the 294 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,840 tools to get to the final four. But it's just 295 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:48,159 it's you know, it's not firing in all cylinders right now. 296 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:50,519 Speaker 5: And I think there's a lot of reasons why. 297 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,879 Speaker 1: Right The problem is not all fans and not all 298 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,840 media talking heads and not all commit any members are 299 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,679 gonna look at it and go, you know what, I 300 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:06,360 feel bad for Byu because they had three season ending 301 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,799 injuries and they lost to this team and that team 302 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:12,000 and that team. They're not gonna do that, Ben, because 303 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:14,360 you and I know much better than that. Like you know, 304 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:16,759 they're gonna look at that and go, oh geez, these 305 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:19,399 guys could never be the top fifteen team, And look 306 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,279 at the roster that they had with AJ and this 307 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:25,600 and that and Kevin Young get an NBA staff, and 308 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:29,639 so all of this would be solved and will be 309 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:35,440 solved with a marquee win right against Houston against Iowa, 310 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,360 stayed at Arizona against Texas stack. If they can get 311 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:44,080 all four of them, it's a different story. The problem is, 312 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,039 based on everything we're seeing right now, it just doesn't 313 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,679 seem like they are going to be able to pull through, 314 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,919 just based on again, on a simple size of everything 315 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:58,519 that we're seeing. There are reasons for that. You and 316 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,840 I can reason the reasons for that. But at the 317 00:17:01,919 --> 00:17:04,160 end of the day, right if if some butts were 318 00:17:04,279 --> 00:17:07,039 candy and nuts, it would be Christmas every day. 319 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. 320 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: Jonathan Tavonari, Jonathan, this uh the bench right now is 321 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:16,319 a concern. Only three points off the bench. Hadeen Boo 322 00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:21,279 was the the sole three point shot I was looking 323 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:25,160 at last year, right and the MWA mag and Trevinell 324 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,480 and Trey Stewart, and you know you had you had 325 00:17:28,519 --> 00:17:30,960 a lot of great role players that would lift where 326 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:36,359 they stood. We're not seeing the lifting in certain areas. 327 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,279 Every once in a while guy will show up, Tyler 328 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:44,279 Morass or Alexei Kostik, maybe Mahi Low, maybe Hideem Uh, 329 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:47,640 but there's a certain level of inconsistency there that just 330 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,680 uh has to be accounted for. Who who can step 331 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:53,400 up in the next four weeks. 332 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:53,599 Speaker 2: Do you think? 333 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what my expectation is. 334 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 5: My expectation was. 335 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: That my high Low being an experience, being an experienced 336 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,440 overseas player, that Alec Alexei Coastitch, you know, being an 337 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,720 experienced overseas player, that they. 338 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:15,039 Speaker 5: Would be able to come through. That just hasn't been the. 339 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,519 Speaker 1: Case, right, And so it's difficult, at least for me. 340 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:23,759 It is very difficult to be okay with this, especially 341 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:26,279 because these guys are actually getting paid money right now, 342 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:31,200 and so you know, like it's it. I expected more, 343 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,079 and so to me, I'll continue to say Cornard Davis 344 00:18:35,079 --> 00:18:36,720 needs to be consistent. 345 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 5: Shooting the ball. 346 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: I would also say that Keba and Abdullah needs to 347 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,160 be consistent on the block. Hopefully Hadem is able to 348 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,640 come along and and have a couple of games that 349 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:53,839 he he you know, he makes a difference, and then 350 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,119 you know, Alexei Amhilo needs to step up, right, and 351 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,480 so they absolutely you need. 352 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:00,759 Speaker 5: To do this. 353 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: And so that's you know, that's my. 354 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 5: That's just my two cents and all of this. 355 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: Jonathan, as far as you know these first halfs are concerned, 356 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:16,559 what is ailing the way you in the first half? 357 00:19:16,599 --> 00:19:19,119 Would you say, if you were to diagnose and treat 358 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,920 the first half issues, what would they be and why? 359 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 5: I'll probably say it's lack of urgency. 360 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,079 Speaker 1: It's you know, just not playing with a sense of urgency, 361 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,039 I think, and I think everybody is at faull of that, right. 362 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:35,640 I have a hard time believing that someone as respected 363 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,000 and knowledgeable and then at the level of Kevin Young 364 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,839 would not have his players ready. Nonetheless, that's what we're 365 00:19:43,839 --> 00:19:46,720 seeing right now. We're seeing we're seeing the fact that 366 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,519 the guys are just they seem like, you know, they 367 00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:53,519 just don't have a sense of urgency. And so I 368 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:57,319 can't imagine that the coaches aren't getting them ready to go. 369 00:19:57,559 --> 00:19:59,759 And so I would definitely put this on the players, 370 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,160 and uh, you know, it's just it's just an unfortunate thing. 371 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,039 And but again that's the that's the reality that we're 372 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:06,839 experiencing right. 373 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: Now, Jonathan. 374 00:20:09,599 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: As far as this, uh, the coaching staff is concerned. 375 00:20:13,599 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: Uh k y is uh? 376 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 3: You know, I think offensively we're putting up enough points 377 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:21,480 to win. Are we giving up too many points? What's 378 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:24,559 going on defensively? And how can we maybe remedy some 379 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,720 of our defensive woes? 380 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:28,319 Speaker 1: Uh? 381 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,319 Speaker 6: You know, It's an interesting thing because I think defensively 382 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,599 the game plan is working because you know, overall, you 383 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:38,200 your scout teams and you know, and then you know, 384 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,440 Kevin Young makes adjustments. I you know, something that I've 385 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,799 been joking around on by UCV is can we get 386 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:49,319 the halftime adjustments that happen before the game starts, you know, 387 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,160 because it feels like b IU is very much a 388 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,839 second half team. And you know, is it And I 389 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,960 don't know the answer to this. 390 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: Is it because the game plan is not working? Is 391 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,559 it because the guys, you know, the players don't have 392 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:03,039 a sense of urgency. I really can't pinpoint at this 393 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,000 at this time that I just know that he continues 394 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:08,640 to happen, you know, and it's definitely a frustrating thing. 395 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:09,519 Speaker 5: It makes for. 396 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: Great basketball and great you know, and great fun for 397 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,640 the fans because you've seen some great rallies, right, but again, 398 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:20,599 it's not sustainable. You know, they played Texas Tech type 399 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,160 for about eight nine minutes, you know, about about thirty minutes, 400 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,960 you know, and and then everything collapsed. They played Arizona 401 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:31,160 well for five minutes at home because the rest of 402 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,640 the game wasn't very good. You know, are they gonna 403 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,440 be able to do that at Arizona? You know? How 404 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,519 are they gonna play Houston at home? He is a 405 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:41,079 team that everybody thought it was gonna be the number 406 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:43,640 one team in the country and they're not, right and 407 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:47,039 so and then Texas Tech at b YU, how is 408 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:47,920 that going to work? 409 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:48,599 Speaker 5: And so? 410 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: But none of that matters then because you know, at 411 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,440 Oklahoma State that was a game that they dropped last year, 412 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,960 you know. And and if this BOYU team loses three games, 413 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,640 three games in a row, I think there's going to 414 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,680 be a lot of problems, right, because a lot of 415 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,039 money is going into this. You know. I recall a 416 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:10,200 conversation I had with Tom Holmo where he was like, 417 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:12,759 JT As you know better than I do. Sports are 418 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:16,759 based on results, right. You talked about our return on investment, 419 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,839 and right, now you know, like the team just needs 420 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:25,480 to respond. Is all lost? Absolutely not, but they're still 421 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:28,359 missing a marquee win and that's a big right now, 422 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,640 that's a big black mark on Biu's resume for the 423 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:32,559 NCAA tournament. 424 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 3: Jonathan Tabanawar Ladies and gentlemen, hopefully they can get some 425 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,400 marquee wins. What do you I think the always favored 426 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,359 in nine of the last ten games of the regular season, 427 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,160 do you think they went out? Do you think they're 428 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,240 what nine to one, ten and zero? When you look 429 00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:50,519 at the schedule, what do you see? 430 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, like, let's just go down. 431 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,000 I'll look at it. 432 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,079 Speaker 1: I'll pull up here on my app and yeah, I'll. 433 00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: Start it off. 434 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 3: So at Oklahoma State, you can pull it up while 435 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,240 I'm talking about it. You're you welcome Houston into the 436 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,319 marriage Center. You're at Baylor, then you welcome Colorado. You're 437 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,359 at u of A, you welcome Iowa State, you welcome 438 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,599 you UCF, You're at West Virginia, You're at Cincinnati, and 439 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,039 then you welcome Texas Tech. 440 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 2: Those are your last games. 441 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 7: Well, so I gotta tell you, Ben, the last ten games, buy. 442 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,319 Speaker 5: You better go nine and one? 443 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, and if and if they go nine and one, 444 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:39,400 they're going to be fourteen and four, and. 445 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 8: And I think that it will be. 446 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 5: They probably ended. 447 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,839 Speaker 7: Up at the fifth spot, right, which is not ideal 448 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,240 because you don't get a double by and so. 449 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 8: You know, but like again, I mean look at the 450 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,799 top five. 451 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 7: Teams, right, I mean, right now, BUYU is you know, 452 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,559 just one game half a game behind UCF. But you know, 453 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,200 big twelve is tough man Arizona, Houston. You know the 454 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,599 thing is Houston is seven and one, and you see 455 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:06,920 some of. 456 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: These other schedules, you know, is Arizona. 457 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,279 Speaker 8: Gonna keep this up? Because if Arizona keep this up. 458 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 7: Good grief that that literally is going to be the 459 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,759 number one overall overall seed, right. 460 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 8: And so they are very much a national title contender. 461 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 7: They're a national champion contender easily. 462 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,039 Speaker 5: And so you know, the game. 463 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 7: Against Kansas really was, you know, a turnaround point in 464 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,480 the season, especially after you know, having the chance slip 465 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:38,440 through the fingers against Arizona. And so I get losing 466 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,720 at Texas Tech, I get losing on the road on 467 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:45,880 a neutral side to Yukon, but dropping the game, you know, 468 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:50,000 dropping the game at home against Arizona and then losing 469 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:50,920 at Kansas. 470 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 8: You know, Kansas is not the same Kansas that. 471 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:54,519 Speaker 5: It has been. 472 00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,079 Speaker 7: You know, obviously they they picked up as off late. 473 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,200 But those are the two games that Uyu had to have, 474 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,160 you know, because now the the the. 475 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 8: Mountain they have to climb is massive. And again you know, 476 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:12,519 they are a full game behind Kansas and Texas Tech. 477 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,880 You know, but again they. 478 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 5: May have the type breaker. 479 00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:21,519 Speaker 7: With with Iowa State. They may get the type breaker 480 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:25,559 against Texas Tech, you know, And so there is uh, 481 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:26,640 there is a path. 482 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,279 Speaker 8: For b I used to finish in the top four. 483 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 7: But again Buyu is gonna have to go nine and 484 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,079 one in the last stand with four games, you know, 485 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,559 forty of their games being against top fifteen teams in 486 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:39,160 the country. 487 00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 8: That is a tall task, man. And you know, as 488 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:43,079 much as I. 489 00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 7: Have blue goggles for basketball, you know, having to go 490 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,920 having to go you know, nine and one against you know, 491 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,119 and in almost half of those games are against top 492 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,160 twenty five, you know, top fifteen teams. That is a 493 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,519 lot then, and if they pull it off, I think 494 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,039 you I was gonna have a very different conversation, you know, 495 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:05,039 But I just don't think we're there yet. And I 496 00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:05,920 will say this, Ben. 497 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: You know something that you that. 498 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 7: Me and and b Ham and and uh and raw 499 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,440 and we kind of ganged up on you, is that 500 00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:20,200 you know, the a J A sensation would topple Gimmermania. 501 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 8: That hasn't happened yet. 502 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:22,599 Speaker 2: It hasn't happened. 503 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 7: A lot has to happen for that to for that 504 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:27,680 to come to fruition. 505 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 5: But we're just not there yet. 506 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 7: And you know, I think we all said, you know, 507 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:34,880 if they do this, if they do this, but you know, 508 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,799 as off today as it stands, on this groundhog Day, 509 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:42,000 it has not come to fruition. And uh, you know 510 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,559 a lot has to happen for that for that to 511 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,200 be the case. 512 00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting. I did get a lot of 513 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,200 flak for it right when I was leaning into the 514 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,799 gym Ermania and I say that it's gonna be tough 515 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,559 to replicate and there's a lot that has to happen, 516 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,039 and uh, and I hope it, like I hope it 517 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:02,960 becomes like absolutely crazy. 518 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,319 Speaker 2: We all want that. 519 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 3: But up to this point and it's not like and 520 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,960 we had this discussion too, it's like a J I 521 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,119 think has met are the expectation right, It's not like 522 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,799 he's not met the expectation for the For the most part, 523 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,599 I think he has. It's just, uh, I don't think 524 00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:23,960 the supporting cast is there for him. The bench isn't 525 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,160 there for him. I agree the brig three is awesome. 526 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,599 We we just need a little bit more from the 527 00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:33,640 supporting cast. So Jonathan Tabinari always appreciator, our conversations, always 528 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,519 learned something, man, Thanks for hopping on to talk some 529 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:37,039 ball with us today. 530 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 7: I appreciate her Man always in forever go Koob's and Plus, however, 531 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:43,920 you pronounced. 532 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 8: That the. 533 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 7: Groundhog's name predicted six of winter, and uh, I'm I'm 534 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,839 waiting for winter to come to Utah. 535 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 5: So there was sixty seven today in a beautiful. 536 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,319 Speaker 7: Gorgeous day, and so winning Kansas would have made it 537 00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:02,000 that much sweeter. 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