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Everything's there. Want to welcome everyone back to the Peking

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Yona show Ron's back. Ron, how you doing?

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Speaker 2: It's going off, Pete.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know it's one of those days. Just another

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day to like ninety degrees and ninety percent humidity outside,

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so I'm sitting in the air conditioning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have entered the blast furnace section of the

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year in Dallas, where you know, the weather is based

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on a dare it is. It is hot, it is hot.

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So all my uh all my uh uh you know, uh,

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cultural recovery friends on the right who you know, want

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me to be in a full three piece you know

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and tie every day. I'm like, I live in Dallas.

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I love all that. I love that aesthetic. I'm for you.

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But uh, I'll do that when I you know, when

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it's not one hundred and four, you know in the shade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday morning, I woke up. I purposely set my

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alarm for real early so I can mow the lawn.

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I mow the lawn, there's a you know, there's a

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hint of a breeze all gone, just humidity and just

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I mean just mowing the lawn. By the time, I

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mean I got a riding mower by the time I

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was done with that, I'm like, I can't. I'm not

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doing anything else. This is insane. What are you crazy?

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Speaker 2: When it's just when it's just dead still and it's human.

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We don't have that in Dallas. What's funny is Dallas

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has on average as much or more wind than then Chicago.

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the mountains and everything. In other words, it has no

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relationship to any mountains. But uh, and it's it's it's

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not as dry as like Arizona, but it's but it's

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nowhere near Houston or the Florida Panhandle or where you live.

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some kind of breeze going on, and it's you know,

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not eighty ninety percent humidity. I that's a killer man.

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back in the Lehman was our lender. That tells you

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how long ago we're talking about. And we made an

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acquisition of fifteen garden style of properties. You know, these

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over a week and a half we had to go

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walk each unit because otherwise you don't know what you're buying, right,

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you know, I mean, you know what it's like, you know,

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and you're climbing all those stairs and everything. It was

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miserable but made us money.

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of years ago, right outside Austin and Spicewood, and we

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come up, that's not even human and but I was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so fun day in the market today. We're recording

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Speaker 1: Don't even don't even get me started.

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have my trading screens turned off so it will be

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too distracted. But my uh but I do have just

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for fiduciary, my fiduciary responsibility. I have Fox Business up,

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and uh oh it's a fun one. M it's a

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fun one today. I mean, not too too bad. We're

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down S and P's down one and three quarter percent.

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we've had a good run. You know, we're up since

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that's actually you know, one day. It does not an

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investment make but still not fun on the day.

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to be done today because the NAS is the NAS

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track Bitcoin and bitcoin's down as well one quarter percent. Yeah,

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so so that's tracking too. You know, let's jump into that.

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So this past week, Trump big deal, because it always

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has to be a big deal with Trump. The biggest,

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this tariff thing with Europe. Yeah, well here we'll get

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into some economics. Okay about this, but let's start with this.

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Does any of this matter if you are not deporting

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twenty to thirty million people?

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a really that's a really good question,

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Pete the interplay. First of all, I would love to

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think we would deport twenty to thirty million people. I'm

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becoming more and more skeptical every day, even though I

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think the biggest thing is let's take this, let's take

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this in sections. I think the biggest thing right now

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is turning off the spigot coming in right and and

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there are provisions in the big beautiful you know, everybody's

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talking about how Ice has now a bigger budget at

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the Marine Corps, and that's all great. I think the

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sure nothing comes in and then over time setting up

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the administrative part. And like right, wrong or indifferent, there

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is an administrative part to being able to deport because

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right now there's just not the infrastructure to do so

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in numbers, and so the funding is there to increase that,

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but that doesn't happen overnight. So right now can you

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seal the can you make the border functional? Let's not

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even talk about ceiling. Can you make it functional? And

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know exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: It appears that it is. Everything i've seen is and

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even if it isn't, and you're never going to get perfection,

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it's right cut down on from what I understand, ninety

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five percent of what was happening under Biden, right.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what I'm seeing. So I think that's

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really good. And then if you create this area, so

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to speak of, look, getting in the country actually involves

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a process, and the borders are functioning, and there is

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a that there is a new attitude to where we

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don't just because here's where. Here's where the immigration and

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the question of tariffs. Let's just keep it in the

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realm of concepts for a minute where those are related.

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As you're just talking about borders, functional borders and with

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people is over here with ice and deportations and all that,

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and over here you're talking financial with tariffs. And you

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have to have both because money if you don't have

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some kind of functional border. And I don't know what

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the magic number is as far as what the level

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of tariff ought to be. I think we can talk

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about that when we get in the minutia. But you

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have to have both people borders and financial borders. Otherwise,

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if you only have people borders, you commoditize your people

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because of capital flows. And that gets real. That sounds

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real complicated, but it's not. That gets into Dutch disease

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and all these other things. I've written about that, and

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we could talk. I don't want people's I don't want

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people's eyes to roll back in their head and think, oh,

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this is going to be some really technical talk. But

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if you Nick Land has been great at this, and

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I don't you know, I'm not lockstep with Nick Land,

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but but he's been great on the fact that capital

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free cap completely frictionalist free capital flows to where there's

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no there are no borders. Financial borders to your country

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really just hollows out your people. It commoditizes them because

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the money's gonna go wherever it can have the highest

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rentia return, and so so you got to have both.

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So that's how they're related. What now, what's the actual interplow?

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to get to a point where we can deport people

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with with real gusto the people who need to be deported,

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and we can have a good discussion about that. I

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think there's, you know, on the right, it tends to be, hey,

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they all must go back, And then how do you

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define all I'm probably compared to most you know, Darryl

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one of us really are. But but I have a

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de facto said come on, make a better way of

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life twenty years ago, and they've been here, we haven't

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we can say if I can say, can I say

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Speaker 1: Of course?

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Speaker 2: But that's where the argument is. The argument isn't we're

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just gonna wink and nod and everybody we're a citizen

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of the world, and we're a you know, a propositional nation,

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and citizenship is bs and it means nothing. We're all

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in a agreement that that ruins everything, right, So we're

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all on that page. The question is is when I

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kids and all, and those Hispanic moms who are there

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and the kids have their lunch, and they're dressed well,

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and they're and they're really they're acting American. These people

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who I'm talking about are acting American. Well, okay, let's

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folks because that life lived is what I want quote

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unquote heritage Americans to be doing. And so anyway, now

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I'm going to get hate mail because now they all

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tear and the and the at the margin relationship to

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an outflow of cheap labor. Labor that's what you're talking about, right,

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a monetary phenomenon. The big beautiful bill, it could be argued,

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may be inflationary, but it isn't if you couple it

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with the the you're taking away this labor supply. Okay,

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and the and the demand for this microphone, the demand

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for podcasting microphones, and no, this isn't my cool RI

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twenty that's at my home studio.

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Speaker 1: This is.

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Speaker 2: A razor whatever. That is hundred bucks, okay, But let's

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say this goes to two hundred dollars. I'm just making

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up a number because of tariffs. The same number of

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these aren't going to be bought. They're just not supply

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and demand are going to cross at a different level.

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level is an increase of dollars in the it's it's

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it's more dollars chasing the same goods. That's inflation. Not

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the price of this goes up, that's not inflation. You

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can have compartmentalized inflation. For instance, we can say there

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is great inflation in healthcare for all kinds of reasons.

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costs in contract manufacturing, home building that may be going up,

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but inflation. When we talk as an economist, when we

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talk about inflation, you're talking about general price increases, and

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that is always a monetary phenomenon because if you get money,

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if the monetary base is the same, then all you're

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doing is the prices in and amongst your goods and

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services all zero out. Does that make sense? Hopefully no.

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I talked for a long time. Hopefully I didn't lose everybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, I understand that inflation is monetary, and you can't

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make the teriffy. The tariff argument is, yeah, you're trying to.

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Speaker 2: A libertarian guy. You understand that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I see libertarians doing that, Oh, tariffs are inflationary,

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and then you you correct them and like a lot

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of them will be like, oh yeah, yeah, sorry, Yeah,

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they just get caught up online. They get caught up

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in an online you know there their echo chamber is

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screaming something, and they're screaming something. But by the way,

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you're not going to get the hate email. I'll get

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the hate email on that, yeah, you know, and I understand.

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And the crazy Pete Pete.

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Speaker 2: You know, here's what I'm going to say this for

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all you guys who who who listen to Pete and subscribe,

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this guy is the most honest broker. He has never

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ever want In the several times I've been on your

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show four or five times now, and and I know

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this from other people who I know are frequent guests

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on your show, he has never once said to me, Hey,

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I want you to shave this this way or that way,

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or I don't want you to talk about this or that.

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Complete intellectual honesty and freedom this guy. And let me

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tell you not all shows are like that. So when

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you subscribe, and I encourage you to do that, because

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Pete is, he is bringing a diversity of use, usually

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from the right, but a wide spread of us. He

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isn't shading it from you're getting. You're not getting what

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Pete wants me to say, You're getting exactly what I'm saying.

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So so, this guy's got intellectual honesty and I know

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stuff behind the scenes that that that even that you

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would you'd be shocked at how what an honest broker

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this guy is. So all that being said, don't send

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him hate mail. If you don't like what I'm saying,

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don't send me hate mail either. But let's have an

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honest Just realize it's not Pete who's saying. Yeah, I've

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kind of had these guests say this, can you take

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the other side? Never in a million years would he

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say that.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, you know the thing about the whole

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emigration thing and what Daryl said. I mean, I was

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really disappointed even in a lot of my brothers, my

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brother's in the old Glory Club, Yeah, with their with

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their take, because Darrel is of the opinion that this

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is not going to happen, that mass deportations are not

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going to happen. It's not like he doesn't want them

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to happen. It's that he's taking that opinion and he's like, okay,

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so how do we live realistically? And that's One of

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the reasons I left libertarianism is because they don't do that.

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They preclude themselves from that. They're like, we're not going

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to look at things realistically because that's immoral. And then

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and they're like, well, we can't look at things realistically

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if we look at the you know, And it's like, well,

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I mean, why did I leave libertarianism because you're just

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doing the exact same thing as purity spiraling. No, he

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doesn't believe that this is going to happen. So if

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this isn't going to happen, you know, do you you

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know the person you know when he said, you know,

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the the white you know, shit lib Antifa? Fuck? Do

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you you know? Would you rather live next door to them?

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Or would you rather live next door to you know,

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some some South American who you go to church with.

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I mean, right, how is that? How is that is

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only controversial to you and should upset you if you're

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a sperg if you're a complete retard, okay, I mean

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you're just we're dealing in reality here and you're dealing

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in oh my, my, my ideology where I have to

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be a perfect little soldier for whatever ideology I've bought into,

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and I mean, I'm sorry, there's a practical way of

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the world. Well you have to figure out a way to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and just think about it for a second.

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If would look nostal, I'll put it this way, nostalgia

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will kill you. It just will. It's whereas and people say, well, Ron,

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aren't you a little bit of a reaction area And

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I go, yeah, I am, but but but reaction looks

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back to what's best from what came before, and then

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realistically tries to put that in a current and future context.

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We're never going back to the nineteen fifties. And if

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you did, I don't want to blackpill people because I

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think we're on a really good track. All all things,

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you know, as they say in economics keterist parabos, all

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things being held equal, and those of you playing Ron

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Dotson bingo, there's your Latin. You can cross that off.

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The I'll get to uh dicayosune and the Greek later

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when I'll let you cross that one off too. But

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the the just pure nostalgia and the desire to go

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backwards is every bit as deadly as the progressive idea

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that the arrow always goes up as part of this

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dialectic process. They're the same thing, just one looking backward

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and one looking forward. Nothing ensures the arrow goes up

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other than wise people dealing in reality. Most of what

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I talk about, well, I say, most of what I

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talk about I talk about I got. I spoke to

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the Dallas Young Republicans the other night, an unbelievable group

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of people. You wouldn't believe these gen zers. I mean,

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I was floored. We had this venue and it was

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standing room only. They must have thought somebody else was

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coming to speak, but it was standing room only. Standing

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over at the end of it, people cheer, and and

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I'm talking about geopolitics, and from a realist standpoint, I'm

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not like beating you know, uh, some drum and it's

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hardcore red meat. I'm being I'm I'm like trying to

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do a junior John Meersheimer, you know, impersonation, basically talking

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about Iran and Israel and what foreign policy, how does

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it affect the average citizen. Should the average citizen be

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considered in foreign policy? The answer is yes, because the

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citizen is the one who should be considered by the

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state in every decision. But but anyway, these these these

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I normally get asked to talk about that kind of stuff.

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But when I do get asked to talk about this,

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I want to be a realist, just like I am

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when I'm talking about foreign policy or I'm talking about diplomacy,

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or when I'm talking about geopolitical risk. We want to

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be in the land of the reel and the land

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of the real is your forefathers, for better or worse. Uh,

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In the founding of this country brought a First of all,

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we weren't indigenous, but we settled this whole land. We

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didn't conquer. I mean, we can go back and forth

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about the American Indians and all that, and and that's fine,

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that's great. I don't have a problem with settling a

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radically pagan place and and and conquering that. I just

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you know, I think Pete and I would probably be

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on the same page as far as that we. Uh.

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I have no problem with the conquistadors destroying Uh what

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was going on in Central Mexico with the you know, pyramids.

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Speaker 1: To human So here comes, oh, here comes the radical

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right to destroy our to destroy all of our altars here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fine, I'm good with that destroy them all. Uh,

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just like we the English destroyed the uh, most of it.

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I think it's pretty much all rooted out, the cannibalism

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in New Guinea and the disgusting things that were going

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on there. Yes, there is good and evil, and it

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is okay for a settling, conquering people to root out

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the evil. And human sacrifice is evil. If you don't

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think it is, then you know, I don't know, we

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can I don't know. But anyway, but that being said,

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we brought in a non heritage American what a group

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to help us, you know, industrialize, and then your forefathers

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brought in a whole bunch of folks that you may

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or may not like, in order to fill up this

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entire continent, you know, this part of our continent. And

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that's done. And so you've got to how we deal

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with that now is first of all, you do exactly

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what Trump's doing is you go and get this home

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and hero. He's awesome, and he's like, we've got to

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have real borders. And by the way, not just on

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the southern border, on the northern border as well. The

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southern border is the biggest problem.

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to I mean, as far as I'm concerned,

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Canada is now is India, so we need we.

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Speaker 2: Well it's not just Chinese infiltration via Canada is a thing,

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but you've got to you've got to start with securing

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your border. And that sounds very political and GOP and

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all this stuff. I don't mean that. It's just it's like,

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if you wanted to build a nuclear weapon, you can't

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start with a W eighty eight. You know, you can't

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start with a two stage thermonuclear device. You've got to

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start here simple and then progress to hear and then

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progress to hear. And that's what we've got to do.

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We have to have a immigration Manhattan project, and that's

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what we're doing. We're building this first stage what you

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call a shotgun or a gun device right now, where

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you have a we can do this where you have

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a subcritical mass here and a subcritical mass here. You

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use some good old fashioned explosive TNT and you jam

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them together real fast, and you have a critical event

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really quickly. That's called a nuclear explosion. Doesn't get a

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ton of yield, but it's you got to learn how

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to do that before then you can go to an

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implosion device, which is much harder. And then once you

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learn how to do that, now you go and you

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start learning how to goose the yield on that implosion device,

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and then you go to a two stage device, and

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so on and so forth. That's what we're doing with

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the with with immigration, and so you start with the border,

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and that is the that's it's not simple, but that's

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that's much easier than loading up people and putting them

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on buses, trucks whatever. The key on the deportation is

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self deportation. And what bothered me in the Big Beautiful

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Bill was we didn't go hardcore on remittance. Even ten

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percent would have been I think, what do we settle on?

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One percent? One and a half percent? I don't remember

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what the final number is, but remittance payments. And you've

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got to be careful because because what you don't want

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to do is punish US citizens from being able to

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uh to move money around. That's a separate that's a

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separate issue. You might you still need financial borders, but

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you don't want you want to you want to punish

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those who are here illegally, and and and the remittance

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payment thing where they're sending all the money back, you know,

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you're just having this huge flow that incentivizes at cast

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with with no costs, that incentivizes illegal immigration, and that

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incentivizes the people who are here illegally to stay here.

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The biggest part. If you want to decrease the illegal

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population from I mean, what do you think it is

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pete thirty forty million, maybe north of forty million. If

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let's say you want to cut down in half, what.

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Speaker 1: Do you think I've heard forty forty Yeah, let's go before.

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Speaker 2: If you if let's let's say it's forty you can

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get and realistically in the next three years, what do

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you think you can actually truck out of here and process?

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I think probably five million maybe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, realistically, I mean realistically without a Well, here's the

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thing is, I don't think that you could do anything

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on a mass scale top down. I think it would

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have to be bottom up, which, right, that's what we're

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talking about. Local, county, Local has to be involved, County

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has to be involved, Stite has to be involved, and

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it does. I don't know that that's what they're I

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think they're trying to do a top down and anything

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you try to do top down is going to fail

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because you have to bring top down just doesn't work,

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especially in a managerial system.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So what we're talking about, if y'all want to

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go read about the principle Pete and I are talking

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about is subsidiarity or the I'm making a hash out

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of pronouncing there's probably a much more eloquent way to

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say this word. But it's the idea that the best

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most government is done with tacitly where it's it's near

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and next to where the impact is. So most government

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is done best locally. The most whatever you can push

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down to the local level is going to be done

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first of all, that's where party matters less and all

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00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:05,960
these other things, and where you actually know the people

472
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,960
are doing it. I live, I don't live in Dallas.

473
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,359
Speaker 1: You also have a multi well, you also have to

474
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,640
deal with the fact that you have a multicultural society

475
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,880
where you have fighting, you have interested or fighting against

476
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,839
one another. And you know, it's like you could you

477
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,799
could talk about Okay, oh so one hundred years ago

478
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,359
if they wanted to get rid of if a European

479
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,119
country wanted to, you know, get rid of all of

480
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:32,920
their illegal immigration, well sure, well the people who are

481
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,440
doing this are all of basically a certain blood. They

482
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,480
may be ninth all ninth cousins or something like that,

483
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,400
and it's very easy to see who, you know, who

484
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,119
the outsider is. It doesn't exist. I mean, this is

485
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:52,400
this country so far beyond that that. Yeah, and and

486
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,960
you know, having the managerial system, having the n g

487
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:59,720
O S, having all of these these special interest groups.

488
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:03,680
I mean mean you this is something brand new. You

489
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,160
can't just look to the past and go, oh, if

490
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,480
we can just do that, that doesn't that's an anachronism.

491
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:13,680
The way they did it is anachronistic. It's it has

492
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,240
to be something new.

493
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: So I was I heard from a third party that

494
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:25,680
one of the biggest, one of the biggest, one of

495
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,240
the most wealthy people in the know in in the

496
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:33,519
state of Texas in oil and gas, said just the

497
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:37,640
other day that if we if we, if we got

498
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,359
rid of illegal immigration and got rid of the illegal

499
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,400
immigrant labor supply, that oil would go to three or

500
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:48,440
three to four hundred dollars. And this is a guy

501
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,240
I really really like, and I hope he's not watching

502
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:56,240
because I don't want to offend him. He could squash

503
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,160
me like a buck, now, I mean he could. He's

504
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,880
not like that. But the point is is, let let

505
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:09,279
that's silly on its face. Oil is a fungible product.

506
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:16,640
The the and the labor cost in exploration and refining

507
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:22,079
is anyway, just if you go down here's the here's

508
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,759
the big participants in in where where These are big

509
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,920
participants in the labor uh part, Oil farming, particularly in

510
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:39,359
handpicked fruits and vegetables, home building, hospitality. So the idea

511
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,759
that so you've got you've got to get the people

512
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:47,160
who invest in all these areas on board with this.

513
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,799
And let me just tell you they're not. They're not

514
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,119
principled about these things. I know the oil executives are not.

515
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,680
They're going to push back. I know. The farming, big

516
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,799
farm especially the family owned farms, I think are moren

517
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,640
are more on board with with hiring their own kind

518
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,920
of so to speak. But that's anecdotal. I don't know

519
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,239
if that's if if that translates everywhere. Home building, the

520
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,320
home builders, the subs which heavily use uh and we're

521
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,199
talking about you know, south of the border folks mainly,

522
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:31,599
but some uh some packed you know, some Asian uh

523
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:37,880
south and Southwest Asian and hospitality. So what do we

524
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,199
do when these very well healed money to interests are

525
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:49,880
putting pressure on Congress, on on the president and so forth,

526
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,880
saying hey, you can stop the border, but don't deport

527
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,400
these people. That's that's what we're up against right now.

528
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,679
And uh, I I don't know what the solution to

529
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,159
that is. Because if you, if you got these folks,

530
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,239
if I could spend an hour with these folks on

531
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:14,239
a whiteboard, I'd show show them that it's it's not

532
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,880
as big a problem as you think it is. The

533
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,960
bigger problem. The thing that is an issue is, let's

534
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,440
say we could snap our fingers and tomorrow forty all

535
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:30,639
the illegal immigrants, the ones who the real problem, the

536
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,519
ones who've been here in the last gotten here in

537
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:37,440
the last ten years, okay, are all gone. You snap

538
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:43,519
your fingers. That is a sizable part of demand, and

539
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:47,639
huge parts of the economy have and I'm not excusing this,

540
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,800
by the way, huge parts of the economy have grown up,

541
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,360
not huge, but sizable parts of the economy have grown

542
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,280
up to meet this particular demand. And that's a problem.

543
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,880
I don't I don't know how you're going to politically

544
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,320
without just pure executive power. I don't know politically, how

545
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,400
you're going to cross that rubicon. That's that's what we're

546
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,559
really up against in a real term deal. So seiling

547
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:22,119
off the border, you're there getting some to self deport

548
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,920
because it's just more uncomfortable. You know, maybe the jobs

549
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,920
at at the margin are drying up with the real

550
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,079
low hanging fruit. You know, the guys who are getting hired,

551
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,920
you know, to do dishes in the Mexican food restaurant,

552
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,159
that kind of stuff. You know, Hey, cousin Jose, you

553
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,320
got to go, huh, we don't have work for you anymore.

554
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,719
Maybe that, But but the fat part of this bell curve,

555
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,480
of this thirty to forty million folks, that's hard. I'm

556
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,840
not saying it's not worth doing. I'm just saying you've

557
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,760
got to How are you going to cross that with

558
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:04,480
these moneyed interests? It is difficult. I know that from

559
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:10,519
my pastime in apartments that there were lots of folks

560
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,400
who catered to the illegal crime. You know, they might

561
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,480
have seven, eight nine people living in each one of

562
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:23,000
their units because the folks paid cash and they paid

563
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:27,400
on time. And how are you going to convince How

564
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,159
are you going to convince those folks? And that's hard.

565
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,599
It just is I you know, I'd love your opinion

566
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,920
Pete on how do you get how do you get

567
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,320
past this?

568
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,519
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I have a friend who was an

569
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:51,760
employment lawyer, in employment attorney in California, and he he

570
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,079
you know, he does a huge amount of culp on this. Now,

571
00:37:55,119 --> 00:38:00,119
he defended businesses who were being attacked for hiring illegal workers,

572
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,320
so you know, he knows exactly how this works. And

573
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,480
he said, basically, what Obama did was Obama just like

574
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:11,559
got all these regulations put through that made that protected them.

575
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,800
And he said, the way to reverse it is to

576
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:19,760
you know, you put in regulations that hurt these companies

577
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,679
so much that they will not do it, and and

578
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,920
that it just takes will you know, if you if

579
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,519
you say, you know, hey, on the second on the

580
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:37,480
second infraction, we pull your LLC, we pull you yeah,

581
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,440
and on the third we pull your business license. Or

582
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:44,280
even I've said this just to trigger people, we nationalize

583
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,679
your business. Yeah, you know, the government takes over your business. Well,

584
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:56,599
I mean that this is people. You're absolutely right, let's

585
00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:59,159
let's keep it again. One of the reasons I like

586
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:00,719
talking to you is because as you do have this

587
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:08,199
economic pass what what are the levers you can really

588
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:10,360
where I'm trying to drive this is what are the

589
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,800
levers you can push that? Because are you going to

590
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,880
do this purely through legislation? First of all, legislature doesn't.

591
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,239
They don't legislate anymore. They just Trump Trump should be passing.

592
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:27,960
All they should be doing right now is writing laws

593
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,920
to make it illegal to be on the left in

594
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,000
this country. And that's send them.

595
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: They're not doing. They're not doing any of it. So

596
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,280
this is going to have to be an executive power

597
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,960
kind of thing. This is all going to have to

598
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
be Article two kind of stuff. And what you have

599
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:48,880
to do to get your oil executives, your you're farming

600
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,639
and by your your your your you know, your large

601
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:59,440
farming conglomerates, your home build home builders basically the subcontractors.

602
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,639
The home builders themselves stay out of this because they

603
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,360
they know they have liability if they're if they're not

604
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,679
care if they're not careful, and your hospitality. What you've

605
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:14,760
got to do is raise in it is raise the

606
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:21,920
cost of hiring illegals to to touching distance of hiring

607
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,519
non illegals. It doesn't even have to be the same, okay,

608
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:30,079
because there's this there's this risk that's involved. I so

609
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,079
how do you do that? And but that's the question

610
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:37,559
you've got to be asking. And that's what you've got

611
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:41,559
to be put helping, you know, post to Twitter, post

612
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:44,440
to X because they are paying. The administration does pay

613
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,920
attention to that. Writing your op eds and your local

614
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:52,679
sympathetic you know, deal, writing your substacks. That's what you've

615
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:56,280
got to be doing. So so you've got just the

616
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,519
cost that you're paying. Most of these folks are being

617
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:04,039
paid over the This isn't being done these large oil

618
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,440
I don't know about farming, I don't know enough about it,

619
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,440
but home build, you know, uh, but in hospitality and oil,

620
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:15,079
these people are being fay paid over the table via

621
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:21,559
through fake faked documents. Right in farming and home building

622
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,320
with the subs, I don't I don't know as much,

623
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,239
probably some of both. But you've just got to so

624
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:33,280
Ice what ICE has been doing in in showing up.

625
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:35,880
I know they've been doing it some here. I hear

626
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:40,559
anecdotes in other places, you know, where they'll show up

627
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:46,360
at where there's obvious, you know, at the in the

628
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,440
parking lot of home depot, the parking lot of lows

629
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,400
in the mornings when the subs are coming around just

630
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,360
trying to get workers. You know, the roofing, the roofer gangs,

631
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:59,719
the bricklaying gangs, so to speak. That's good, but that's

632
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,880
my grow that's driving up the cost because suddenly you

633
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,440
don't have a get a group. A sub is missing.

634
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,480
There two days to brick a house. Now, now that

635
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:15,480
home builder's pissed because he's carrying that lot at his cost.

636
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,559
That cost cannot be taken to the to the home buyer.

637
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,760
This is what you've got to do, is these practical

638
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,760
things to raise the cost. You can't depend upon the

639
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,719
national legislature to do this. They're not brave enough. They've

640
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,880
got too many of these big money to interest paying

641
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,400
their campaign funds, and there's I just don't think there's

642
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,480
anything you can do to fix that. So it's gonna

643
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,440
have to be done through the executive branch, through handling

644
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,599
things these things administratively, so ice and so on and

645
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:54,400
so forth, driving up the cost of doing this business.

646
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,360
I would love to think you could, you know, do

647
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,360
what you're taught about with the LLC. That's hard now

648
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,079
that gets into the hall. I did a show the

649
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:10,320
other day with black Horse and cryptose on uh tying

650
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:17,199
liability to liability and ownership back together. But that's another

651
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,639
you know, uh that needs to be done too, that

652
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:24,840
would help do this. But right now you've got shareholders

653
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,239
who bear no risks. So if I own a home

654
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,000
builder and my home that home builder is you know,

655
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,760
let's I don't want to say any home builder names

656
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,960
because I don't know what any of these people are doing.

657
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,119
But you can go, you know, go look up the

658
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,800
big home builder stocks I bear. If I just own

659
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,840
their stock, I don't bear any liability. If they're hiring

660
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:51,119
illegals in their stack, I don't bear any liability even

661
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:55,400
though I'm theoretically an owner via shares. We've got to somehow.

662
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,320
That's where the legislation needs to come in, is how

663
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,719
do we tie liability into ownership? And that would cut

664
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,400
this s out quickly. But I don't hear anybody talking

665
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:07,840
about that.

666
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well this is why I think we're not

667
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,559
going to reform the system.

668
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:20,159
Speaker 2: I don't think we are either.

669
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way it has to be. It has

670
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,000
to be torn out, root and branch, and I think

671
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:32,280
people are waiting for like, yeah, they're great men to

672
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,559
come along and do it, and I just don't. Look,

673
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,039
we've had great men in the past, but I mean

674
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,239
they weren't in They weren't one hundred years into a

675
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,440
managerial system. They weren't a hundred you know. It is

676
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,840
very easy to look to the past and go, Okay,

677
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,079
well I've seen before where you can tear everything out,

678
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:57,440
root and branch and fix it and you know, or

679
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,440
at least get it, get it to where yeah, people

680
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,760
are happy again, people are thriving again, especially the native population, right.

681
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,239
But I mean, I don't think people realize that that's

682
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:11,280
you know, and I think Thomas really has the best

683
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,880
take on this. It's like, this system's going to prove

684
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:17,119
the United States will probably exist in some way, shape

685
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:19,960
or form for another two hundred years. It's just going

686
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:24,320
to have to transform. And the answer to the transformation

687
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:28,199
is something people just do not want to hear because

688
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,760
they don't under they don't understand that the only way

689
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,079
you're going to do this is to decentralize, and it's

690
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,440
going to have to be done basically.

691
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: You know.

692
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you just want to get rid of

693
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,800
the United States, and you just want to you know,

694
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,960
you want China to come in here, or you know,

695
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:49,400
or this new thing about how if you talk about

696
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,519
how things need to be done locally and on the

697
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:56,480
state level, or or you know, classic federalism. Somehow that's

698
00:45:56,599 --> 00:46:01,920
brown coded because it's like, okay, well, what do you well,

699
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,960
I'm supposed to shrink back from that? What the fuck

700
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,039
does that even mean?

701
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,199
Speaker 2: You know, it's give me a second, because I'm going

702
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,119
to go around on the other side of my desk.

703
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,079
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you good, good good. I'll keep talking now.

704
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:15,639
I mean, I just don't. I don't get it. People think,

705
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:18,800
people honestly think that this is going to get fixed.

706
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: This guy, this guy wrote about this, so.

707
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: He just well, Ron just held up a copy of

708
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,719
Chronicles magazine with Sam Francis on the cover, and it

709
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,679
says Anarco tyranny the perpetual revolution.

710
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,519
Speaker 2: That's right. And so this is from April two thousand

711
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:45,639
and five, when Sam died. So Sam wrote in ninety

712
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:48,880
five eighty five, I'll have to look it up. I

713
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,679
think Arun's done a big talk on this. Aran McIntyre

714
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,599
maybe not. I could be wrong on that, but he

715
00:46:56,679 --> 00:47:01,199
wrote this. There's this tension. I think Pete and I

716
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,400
would probably be on the same page this there's there

717
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:08,519
that the best government is done at the local level.

718
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,639
And what what lends itself to actually being very red coated.

719
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:19,559
What you know, everyone everyone's a fascist about what they

720
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:24,320
know best. They just are because you want to conserve

721
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:30,320
that which you love, and that's just human that's good

722
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,039
part of human nature. We want to conserve our family,

723
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:38,400
We want to conserve order, We want to conserve if

724
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,760
you're if you're a Christian, you want to conserve a

725
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,719
worship of of of of a moral and righteous God.

726
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,480
You want to conserve these things which are good. That

727
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:53,119
and you want to and you in your most hardcore

728
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:57,719
about that which you know the best. So so this

729
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,480
is but and that that's very a very localized thing.

730
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:06,880
So in theory, and Angelo Codevilla wrote about this in

731
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,400
the Claremont Institute for years and years, faithful Catholic, brilliant

732
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:17,599
guy Uh sadly died uh about four years ago. But

733
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:21,599
but that this radical federalism in theory is the best,

734
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,880
is the best answer to all of this. And then

735
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,480
if you know, some county in California wanted to be

736
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:33,519
the people's republic, you know, be a commune, fine, you know,

737
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:36,039
and that little set of people could do that. And

738
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,480
if somebody wanted to be a you know, there is

739
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:41,639
a county in in in New York State that is

740
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:46,599
basically a big Jewish kibbutz. You know, I think it's uh,

741
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,239
I think it's ultra orthodox. I don't know enough about it.

742
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,840
But they kind of run their own do but they

743
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,360
state to themselves they do their own thing. Look would

744
00:48:54,360 --> 00:49:00,760
I But what Sam wrote about, and Sam's big magnum

745
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,119
opus was called Leviathan and His and his Enemies, and

746
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,440
it was a it was a combination of Hobbes, which

747
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,760
wrote Leviathan you uh you know you uh political science folks.

748
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:13,679
Speaker 1: Uh.

749
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,199
Speaker 2: Hobbs brilliant work, and a combination of that and A

750
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:22,440
and A fester if on u a A A A

751
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:29,039
retelling of the Managerial Revolution, great book by former communists.

752
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,119
Uh uh and so so but what But what Francis

753
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:41,599
said was, while federalism is the best governing rubric because

754
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,320
because localism is the most right coded just naturally, it

755
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:53,119
doesn't have enough combined energy to take away this Leviathan,

756
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:59,280
this state monster, this managerialist hydra that has overcome and

757
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,559
overtaken everything. So you have to have some form of

758
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:10,639
this nationalist zeal in order to break the neck of

759
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:15,480
that which enslaves us. And so so there's this tension.

760
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:23,800
And sometimes either be it because we're so nostalgic or

761
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:30,760
we're even as this right, this right leaning ultra progressivism,

762
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:38,360
and that exists too, this this very hardcore right revolutionist revolutionism,

763
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,880
that that that isn't that isn't real, that isn't based

764
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,039
on what we can actually do. They both missed the

765
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,239
target of how do we get from here to there?

766
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,079
And how do we And this is what you've also

767
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:57,280
got to do. You've also got to take the fat

768
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,960
part of the Bell curve along with you. You want

769
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:04,039
to destroy your enemies, and destroy them. By destroy, I

770
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:08,000
don't mean kill them, I mean take away their political power.

771
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,880
But you've got to take the what were the Bolsheviks

772
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:17,159
brilliant about about in Russia? This seventeen percent evil minority,

773
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:20,559
And it was evil, but they were able to bring

774
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,719
enough of the fat part of the Bell curve along

775
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,880
with them that the people didn't just all rise up

776
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,880
and destroy any seventeen percent should not be able to

777
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,400
take should not be able to bring about an entire

778
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:41,320
revolution of an entire people. That shouldn't happen, but they did.

779
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:45,679
They did, And so you've got to be realistic about

780
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:51,039
how do we and the principled right, the dissident right,

781
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:56,119
not just conservatives, but the real right in America? Is

782
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,719
what percentage? Pete? Five percent?

783
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: It's growing though, it's growing, Hey, gen Z Man, those guys,

784
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:10,320
like I said when I spoke the other night, these

785
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,440
guys were awesome, and they weren't weirdos.

786
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: These were well adjusted, awesome folks. But they just want

787
00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:23,280
they want things to be better. Right, And so how

788
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,360
do you how do you how do you craft a

789
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:34,159
movement in your arguments in order to bring the rest

790
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,360
of the people along with you? Okay, so Pete and

791
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,679
I both are no lovers of dispensationalism. Is that fair?

792
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,760
It's kind of wacky, kind of kind of wacky.

793
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: I would argue that it's gotten tens of millions of

794
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,039
people killed, but go.

795
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: On, yeah, exactly, But how are you going to convince

796
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,559
that group, which is in some shape form or fashion,

797
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:11,960
an immense group, an immense number of people who are

798
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,599
should be write coded, how are you going to bring

799
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:20,199
them along? That is a great question. I personally think

800
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,679
it's not you. You're not going to convince them that.

801
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,599
You're not going to completely convince them about modern Israel

802
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,480
not being the same as old Covenant Israel, as much

803
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,280
as I would love that. But you maybe you can

804
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,320
convince them that Netan Yahoo is absolutely evil and been

805
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,159
terrible for the United States. That might be doable, and

806
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,280
in doing that you can change the argument and bring

807
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,400
them along. These are the kind of things you've got

808
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,480
to think about and be realistic about.

809
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: And here's here that makes sense. Yeah, and here's something

810
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,480
that I've been trying to talk about recently. Is Okay,

811
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,559
you can make you can have the best arguments in

812
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,440
the world, But who's going to be the mouthpiece for that.

813
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,760
Who's a better mouthpiece to go after boomers and try

814
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,639
and change their mind about dispensationalism and Israel and change

815
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:15,159
anyone's mind, not only the Boomers. Is it me or

816
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:20,559
is it Tucker Carlson. I have a feeling it's Tucker Carlson.

817
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:21,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

818
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:26,199
Speaker 1: And the people who are attacking Tucker Carlson right now,

819
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:30,679
I mean literally go to Canada and seek made you

820
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,480
have no I mean he is doing more and you

821
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,280
can say, oh, I was talking about that ten years

822
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,480
ago these guys were talking about they got canceled for it,

823
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:44,800
Their banking was canceled for it. I know those people

824
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,880
are heroes and in the future they will be remembered

825
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,880
as heroes. But they can't do what he's doing right now.

826
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:58,079
Oh but he's a gatekeeper. He's only taking people this far. Well,

827
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:00,679
let me tell you something. There are a lot of

828
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:06,679
myths in our history, and people think that like the

829
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,679
myth that they they think that, like one myth is

830
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,440
going to take down another myth, you have to knock

831
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,920
down this myth which is not which is a myth

832
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,639
that has become part of your religion, it has become

833
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,840
part of the religion. No, there's a myth over here

834
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,239
that can be taken down first, and that doesn't I'm

835
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,800
trying to talk around things right now. Okay, but there.

836
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,079
Speaker 2: There I can I can fall, I can follow up

837
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,159
and be delicate.

838
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,519
Speaker 1: You know, there are myths that are not going to

839
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,239
there are not going to fall and may never fall.

840
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: Right.

841
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: The problem the thing is is just because that myth

842
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,280
continues to exist doesn't mean that this myth can't be

843
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,559
taken down and it's not going to be you on

844
00:55:56,599 --> 00:56:01,000
your alternative platform who can't even be on YouTube or

845
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:03,960
can't even mean right, you have to you have to

846
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,119
put everything on bit shoot or something like that. No,

847
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,199
it's going to be somebody who is actually like has

848
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,880
has has had his eyes opened, and he may not

849
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,000
go as far as you want him to, but even

850
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:21,280
though you're going that far, he's going to be able

851
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,239
to accomplish way more than you are not going that far.

852
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,559
Speaker 2: Well, okay, and yeah, Pete, it's it's just purity spirals

853
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:34,599
are not just a phenomena of the left. They absolutely

854
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:36,400
happen on the right as well. And they're just and

855
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:42,159
they're destructive. It's why Heywood was a profit on this.

856
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,159
He foresaw. He goes, look it's coming. We're going to

857
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,960
have all these fights on the right when we gain

858
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,000
a little bit of power, and just beware and there

859
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:57,519
and they are they're destructive. Look you go, you know,

860
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:01,920
if you go anonymous dissident right person who's watching this

861
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,239
and you're on Twitter and you're doing your fighting, the

862
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,920
good fight and all this, and you go and you're

863
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:11,599
you know, every summer you go, you get in the

864
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:15,360
car and you go to the family reunion and you know,

865
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,840
you're like, oh my gosh, none of my that, none

866
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,039
of these guys get it. But then suddenly your uncle,

867
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:26,599
uh you're you're you're eating fried okra across the table

868
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:29,559
from your uncle, and he says, hey, you know, I

869
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:32,880
listened to Martyr Maide. Have you ever heard of this guy?

870
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:36,360
And I thought he was pretty good? And your heart

871
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,599
leaps with joy because you're like, oh, yea, or or

872
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:45,960
he listened to, uh, maybe something you know, even more

873
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:51,079
innocuous than than Darryl's podcast, whatever it is. I listened

874
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:56,000
to Heywood talk about uh, you know, Camp of the Saints,

875
00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:03,159
right or whatever it is. Wouldn't you be excited about that? Well,

876
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:08,159
just translate that across a nation and culture and have

877
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,559
a little grace with the folks who are picking up,

878
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:17,639
you know, the crumbs falling off the table. Be gracious

879
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:22,000
with people. Not everybody has to be, you know. And

880
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:25,000
you'll get the mail about this because I'm going to

881
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:28,119
quote somebody, you know, as Jarvin used to say, and

882
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,400
here we go, Oh, you can't trust Yarvin. He's just

883
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,559
another whatever.

884
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:32,039
Speaker 1: Okay.

885
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:37,199
Speaker 2: I like Curtis Curtis's Curtis Is Curtis, and I don't

886
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:39,760
agree with everything. And you know, blah blah blah. But

887
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:42,639
I can't say the guy's not bright, and he's had

888
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:45,480
some really amazing points. And the dissident right probably doesn't

889
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:49,079
exist in its current form without what he did. Okay,

890
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,159
just so leave that of that. But he always used

891
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,760
to say, hey, you know, be careful when you say

892
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,159
when you're trying to screen out screen the people who

893
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:02,920
are coming to understand these things on the right from

894
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,039
not being metal enough. You know, ah, that's not metal enough.

895
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,119
I got to be you know, not everybody's going to

896
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:13,559
be Thomas. They're just not everybody.

897
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: Here.

898
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: Here's what here's what people think. And this is something

899
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,840
libertarians think. Libertarians believe that if Dave Smith can just

900
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:26,519
get out there and deliver the message, everybody's going to

901
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:31,079
want to be a libertarian. Well that's proven to be false.

902
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,159
I like Dave. I've known Dave a very long time.

903
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:41,840
I want the best for Dave. Not everybody is going

904
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:45,599
it doesn't matter who you expose people to. You can

905
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:51,039
expose them to me, you can expose them to Devin Stack,

906
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,280
you can expose them to the TRS. Guys, not everybody

907
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,159
is going to radicalize.

908
00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: It's just people you don't and you don't. I'm sorry,

909
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,719
but you don't want a radical culture because what would

910
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:08,559
you do with want?

911
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: What would you do with them?

912
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,239
Speaker 2: You want? What you want is here's okay, we're gonna

913
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:18,440
get in. Let's let's be very delicate here, okay, because

914
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,760
I don't want any of this snipped out or whatever.

915
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,000
But let's say you got let's just talk in algebra terms.

916
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,599
Let's say you you you you folks who are really

917
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:31,559
hardcore on the edge and metal. Let's say you got

918
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:35,440
rid of people X, just got rid of them. Well,

919
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,880
what are you going to do with people Y? And

920
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,039
what are you going to do with people Z? And

921
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:46,280
people alpha and people you know? Eventually, because I see this,

922
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:53,199
This happens in American Protestantism, okay, to where I'm I'm

923
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,880
PC a Presbyterian. Okay, I'm a I'm a deacon and

924
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,840
teach theology at my church and I write, and I'm

925
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,679
probably more qualified to talk about that than I am

926
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,079
the stuff. But I see it in our circles to

927
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:11,039
where we'll argue over the color of the carpet and

928
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,360
what kind of would the pulpits made out of? And suddenly,

929
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,719
if you're not agreeing on every little thing, then it's war.

930
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:22,920
You don't want a nation like that, because the purpose

931
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:27,599
of all these things, you may rightly believe, is so

932
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:31,719
that people can live in peace and pursue their way

933
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,840
of life in order. As Schmidt said, how is that

934
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,079
metal enough for you? As Schmidt said, so you can

935
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:45,000
in your own way fight off Antichrist. Okay, that's the

936
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:49,360
purpose of all this. And if you define what that

937
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:54,280
people are so narrowly, you'll be in perpetual war. And

938
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,079
just look online, that's what it looks like. But the purpose,

939
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:01,960
if you're Christian, the purp is to follow the Prince

940
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:05,440
of peace. And by the way, the Prince of peace

941
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,800
who said love your enemy, didn't say there weren't any enemies.

942
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:14,360
And that's personal enemies, not enemies, not public enemies. When

943
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,280
get into that at another time. But there are enemies, which.

944
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:21,239
Speaker 1: You got to start. Once you start getting into that,

945
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:26,199
everybody you know amicas and you start getting into Latin terms.

946
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:32,519
It's just the people who have bought into that. Christians

947
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,800
are supposed to be martyrs in every you know, they're

948
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,119
never supposed to pick up a sword. That they start

949
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:41,719
losing their minds and that's crazy. I just can't say

950
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,039
I can't saw the joel Berries of the world that can. Well,

951
01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:50,159
Joel Berries fine with with Jews like massacring people, but

952
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,000
not Christians. He's okay with them massacred. I think he'd

953
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,920
be okay with Christians massacring people.

954
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 2: For Jews, well, Joel's Joel's deal is a particular form

955
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:10,679
of theology that sees a play, sees a a a

956
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:15,559
use for Romans thirteen the bearing of the sword only

957
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:19,280
applicable for the earthly people of God, not the heavenly

958
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,800
people of God. And it's just a weird hermaeutic And

959
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:28,320
you know he gets there, it's just his. His his

960
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,960
worldview and his hermaeutic or are obviously flawed to anyone

961
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,159
who has their eyes wide open, but he doesn't. But

962
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,119
you know that should propel us to make sure our

963
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:41,079
eyes are wide open on all this stuff. I want

964
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:47,599
to touch on Israel real quick, because it's a let's

965
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:53,079
let's again, let's just be realistic about it. Why Why

966
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:58,960
does Why has America? Why has the US government? How

967
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,760
have we gotten to where we've gotten with Israel? There

968
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,000
are reasons for that. It's not you know, it's not.

969
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:10,400
It didn't happen in a vacuum, so on and so forth,

970
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,840
so we can be realistic about this and understand what's

971
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:21,320
going on. Okay, Israel, that peace of land sits within

972
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:26,719
tactical distance of way too many choke points for us

973
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:30,320
to ignore. Okay. So it sits within tactical distance of

974
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:35,599
the dart Knell's Bosporus, the Turkic Straits, Okay, hugely important.

975
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:38,880
If you want to be able to interdict the Black Sea,

976
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:41,280
you got to have access to that. Why do you

977
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,800
think Turkey is part of NATO? And we get back

978
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:48,519
to Turkey in a minute. It's there within tactical distance

979
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:52,599
of the Suez Canal. Okay, it's in within tactical distance

980
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:55,559
of the straight oh gosh at the south end of

981
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:58,639
the Red Sea. And the name of the Arabic name

982
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:01,360
for that is escapeing me right now, so I apologize.

983
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,760
It's within tactical distance of the Persian Gulf in the

984
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,239
Strait of Hor moves. So Israel or something like it,

985
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:16,679
where is going to be part and parcel of American

986
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,400
foreign policy? As long as we have a reserve currency,

987
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:28,000
and oil is the chief determinant of the of of

988
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:37,760
of that reserves. Current reserve currencies liquidity in transnational economic flows.

989
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,320
It just is, and you're going to have to be

990
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,239
okay with that. If we don't want a reserve currency anymore,

991
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,159
then you better go back either on the gold standard

992
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:51,320
or have a legislated constitutional amendment balanced budget, or you

993
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,039
will get hyperinflation here at home. Because only reason we

994
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:57,199
can have a reserve currency and huge deficits in debt

995
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,800
is because we can export that inflation. And we can

996
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,440
do that because we are a global hegemony who helps

997
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:08,159
regulate the flow of oil and natural gas worldwide, and

998
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:12,679
therefore we've got to have some presence with it to

999
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:16,840
to exert power within all those choke choke points. Okay,

1000
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:21,239
so that's just real life. Do I like it? No?

1001
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,599
But but that's real life. So how about so run, Well,

1002
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:29,760
we the number one receiver receiver or one or number

1003
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:34,079
two depending on the year of foreign aid is Egypt.

1004
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,559
Why can't that's also close to all those points? Why

1005
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:43,239
can't we use Egypt? Or hey, Turkey? And boy, Turkey's

1006
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,360
very expansionary. So we got to be careful putting too

1007
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,280
much pressure on a Ran because Iran was the natural uh,

1008
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:57,000
the natural uh uh kind of kept a lid a

1009
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,559
little bit on Turkey because Turkey's very soony, Iran's very Shia,

1010
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,079
and it wasn't Israel. That Israel's just not big enough

1011
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:10,360
to put real true pressure on Turkey. Iran was really

1012
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:15,639
being that buffer, but that pissed off Israel. So anyway,

1013
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:18,559
point being is why don't we allow Turkey to be that.

1014
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:23,039
You know, they're a NATO member, They're only a NATO

1015
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:25,320
member because of the Dardnells and Bosporus so that we

1016
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,000
can get in and out of the Black Sea. That

1017
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,960
we don't trust Turkey completely, Okay, we don't. And this

1018
01:07:32,119 --> 01:07:35,239
was all back to JFK who we needed to put

1019
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,800
short range missiles and medium range missiles in Anatolia. So

1020
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,679
and you're not redoing that. But we don't really trust

1021
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,880
Turkey or Egypt. Okay, we don't really trust Israel. I

1022
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,320
don't think. I mean, I've got it on good. I

1023
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,119
can't say what I know, but know that Trump is

1024
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:58,679
putting personal pressure on Israel. And that's all I'm gonna

1025
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:03,199
say about that. Don't even ask so, but you're gonna

1026
01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:07,519
have to have so. So it's not geus geographic also

1027
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,639
like it or not, Masad, We we know everything that's

1028
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:16,119
going on in that area through what we don't have

1029
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:20,800
through Sigant. In other words, are our optical and and

1030
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,760
and the old The old system was called Lacrosse. I

1031
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,399
don't know what the name of the new system is.

1032
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:31,520
To intercept sell and radio traffic. What we don't get

1033
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,119
through that we get by literal agents on the ground

1034
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:39,239
through Masad, and we just do. We can't if we're

1035
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:43,399
gonna have this whole structure. We we have shoehorned ourselves

1036
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,239
into this cul de sacta where we can't live. At

1037
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,760
least the perception is, we can't live without Masads Intel.

1038
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,640
And Masad does not play nice in the sandbox with

1039
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,520
our Intel agents. They just don't. All the stuff that

1040
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,439
goes on in the movies and all that aside that

1041
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:03,079
we all live m I six, SOD and CIA our rivals,

1042
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,199
and they don't get along very well on the ground.

1043
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:09,640
We may work together up here, but on the ground

1044
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,520
it's often ugly. But we can't live without them. For

1045
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,720
whatever reason, we've shoehorned ourselves into that reality. So so

1046
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:22,840
you're gonna have to deal at some level with Israel.

1047
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,800
The problem is, and this used to all work okay

1048
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,359
until net Yahu came along and suddenly this turned into

1049
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,439
Israel expansionism and that we're gonna be their lap dog,

1050
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,399
that that fixes all their problems, and we're gonna go

1051
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,720
destroy Libya, We're gonna go destroy Iran, We're gonna go

1052
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:46,119
destroy Iraq and all this and that, and we're gonna

1053
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,680
be put you know, all this kind of stuff. This

1054
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,479
has been an This has been the direct impact of

1055
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:57,479
net Nyahu. Okay, So the realist position is, how can

1056
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,119
we fix that and then deal with the other stuff.

1057
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,680
And yeah, I wish, I wish that they didn't exert

1058
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:11,159
all the influence that they do on our government, but

1059
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:15,640
they do. Okay, that is a long term issue. It

1060
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,439
just that's a long term issue. But the short term

1061
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,000
issue is is what I just mentioned, and you're gonna

1062
01:10:21,039 --> 01:10:23,439
have to deal with these realities that I just mentioned.

1063
01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:27,720
You can't make those go away tomorrow. You just can't.

1064
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,000
If you did, if you snapped your fingers and they

1065
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:32,319
went away, it was just being just like snapping your

1066
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:37,560
fingers and suddenly forty million, you had forty million people

1067
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:42,560
go away. That is that revolution would be extremely costly

1068
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,079
to American citizens in the same way with this other stuff.

1069
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,000
And I know no one wants to hear all this,

1070
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,840
but you're going to have to figure out ways to

1071
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,359
deal with these realities. All right, That's what I wanted

1072
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:56,960
to say. And again you're gonna get I know, you'll

1073
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,439
get hate mail about what I just said. I'm not

1074
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,119
some pro Israel guy. I'm I don't have I mean,

1075
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:06,119
I've been to Israel. It's beautiful. Get along the people

1076
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:08,720
that took me around. I had a massage. I did

1077
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,319
have a Masad agent and a former Massad agent or

1078
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:17,199
my tour guides. They were great. It's got to see

1079
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:19,760
all the old holy land where Jesus walked. It was amazing.

1080
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,640
I got treated very well all of that. I don't

1081
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,479
have any problem. I got great relationships with I got

1082
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,720
an IDF guy who does contract work for me. He

1083
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,880
goes back to Israel two months out of the year

1084
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:35,000
and does work for me. Who's IDF. And we argue

1085
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:36,880
about all this stuff, and I'm very honest with them.

1086
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,479
I'm like, this kind of nonsense you're doing in Gaza,

1087
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,560
this is crazy, and he goes, yeah, we might get

1088
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,039
a little blowback for that. We have gone too far.

1089
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:47,720
So I don't have any problem. I don't have personal

1090
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,359
hatred in my heart for anybody. I really don't Pete

1091
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,840
knows this, but you're gonna have to deal with these realities.

1092
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,640
And I don't know how you get from here to there.

1093
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,920
I really don't there. That was sorry.

1094
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,039
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the problem is. I think people

1095
01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:08,560
think that this is like very simple. People think that

1096
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,840
you just need one person too, or we should you know,

1097
01:12:13,159 --> 01:12:16,039
here's what you here, Well we should just abandon all this. Well,

1098
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:19,479
I mean that's just more libertarian bullshit. We should Okay,

1099
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,239
how do we get there? How do we how do

1100
01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:30,039
you Okay, we're here tied up in with these insane people. Okay,

1101
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,520
we want to get over here where we're not tied

1102
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,159
up with those insane people. Okay, how do we bridge that?

1103
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:37,640
How does that happen? It's the same thing about libertarians.

1104
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,520
Libertarians be like, oh, you know, it's we we need

1105
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,960
to get we need to get to a narco capitalism. Okay,

1106
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,800
so tell me the path, tell me how to do that. Okay,

1107
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:51,199
And how did we get here? To understand the incentives

1108
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,039
that built this edifice that we're all living in. Okay,

1109
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,079
because you don't, just you don't, just if you don't

1110
01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:02,079
know how to how it got here? And you don't

1111
01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:05,479
know how to rebuild something that provides for the peace

1112
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,199
of your citizenry.

1113
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:13,199
Speaker 2: Just taking a bulldozer to it. Okay, now, who's going

1114
01:13:13,279 --> 01:13:15,800
to build the fire? I kind of liked living in

1115
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,720
that house, even though it had all these problems. It

1116
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,600
might have been full of termites, but at least the

1117
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,680
rain didn't fall on my head. So just again, how

1118
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,000
do you get from here to there? But understanding how

1119
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:30,640
we got to here, how do we get here? What

1120
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,520
were the incentive structures that built? So what are the

1121
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,920
incentive structures that built what we've got? I mean, just

1122
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:43,039
be realistic. You have a diaspor let's say, so the

1123
01:13:43,159 --> 01:13:47,640
Jewish people had a rough go. They may have deserved

1124
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,319
by the way your series. Everybody needs to go and

1125
01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:53,560
listen to the series that Pete's been doing on reading

1126
01:13:53,720 --> 01:14:01,760
sulsan Eatsan's two hundred Years Together. But it's so good.

1127
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:06,760
And I think Sulsanesen has a committed Christian He's very realistic,

1128
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,760
but he's also gracious. I mean he's not This isn't

1129
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:15,319
a bloodthirsty screed, this is this is measured and hey,

1130
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,359
look we've got different worldview and this is where it's

1131
01:14:18,359 --> 01:14:21,479
pretty ugly in places. But you know, I think it's

1132
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:25,800
it's just been awesome. It's been very educational for me.

1133
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,000
But how did you get to the pale of settlement?

1134
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:34,760
You got there for very structure. There were structural incentives

1135
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:39,079
on both sides that led to that, and and then

1136
01:14:39,159 --> 01:14:43,199
the latter the ending of the pale and all the stuff.

1137
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,800
And then you had this liberal democracy in the United

1138
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,279
States that said, yeah, come on over here, and not

1139
01:14:50,399 --> 01:14:52,680
only come over here, but we're going to give you

1140
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,960
a seat at the at the political table of power immediately.

1141
01:14:59,319 --> 01:15:01,560
If you were in their shoes, you would have taken

1142
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,359
advantage of that too, especially if you were, you know,

1143
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,960
had the particular proclivities and talents that this group of

1144
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,520
people had that they learned in the pale. So just

1145
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,000
be realistic about what led to the situation that we're

1146
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,159
dealing with. And then in the middle of all that,

1147
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:23,600
here's a quote unquote homeland that springs up that says, hey,

1148
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,920
we're created for the very purpose of dealing with, uh,

1149
01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:31,079
you know, all this stuff that you feel agreed that

1150
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:35,359
that you were aggrieved by, So you would again, let's

1151
01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:38,439
say it's it's this, it would be similar to the

1152
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:43,960
same mechanics of people feeling aggrieved by the Civil War

1153
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,560
in the South, and suddenly we had this federalism that

1154
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,760
led to much greater state freedom. You know, let's say

1155
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:57,000
suddenly Mississippi had full uh right of you know, freedom

1156
01:15:57,039 --> 01:16:00,199
of the right of association. Again, that that comp that

1157
01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:05,079
part of of the of civil the CRA was was

1158
01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:10,039
abolished in certain states or certain places, you'd feel very

1159
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,479
you'd have a very nostalgic view towards that, and that

1160
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,399
would make you want to support that, even if you

1161
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:22,239
didn't live in Mississippi. So just just realize their incentives

1162
01:16:22,279 --> 01:16:25,000
that have led to where we are. That didn't mean

1163
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:28,359
you have to agree with them. Understanding something and being

1164
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:32,119
able to explain something doesn't mean you agree with it

1165
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:35,279
or support it. This is the way you win debates

1166
01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:37,760
and win hearts and minds. I learned this I was

1167
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:43,920
a debater back in uh, you know, uh, middle school

1168
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,760
and high school, and the best debaters were the guys

1169
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,720
who could argue both sides of any part of any topic.

1170
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:56,239
But if you understood that guy's position or where he was,

1171
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because where he was dependent on where you stay, depends

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on where you sit and if you understood what he

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believed better than he did, you were going to wipe

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the floor with him. But even better, you were going

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to be able to maybe even convince him that your

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position was better. And I did that not because I'm

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some kind of super smart guy. It's just you do

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the work. So if you want to win these arguments,

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understand how we got there, listen to Pete's series with

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doctor what's his.

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Speaker 1: Name, Matthew F. A. L. Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's awesome. Go listen to that series and understand

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how do we get here? Understand how did they get there?

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In the pale, and then your arguments won't just be well,

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that all sucks because that didn't win anything. You may

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be right, you may be wrong, but it's not going

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to win anything. You're just going to be mad and

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nobody wants to listen to that. I mean, you and

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your drinking buddies might, but have a bigger picture.

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Speaker 1: I think Thomas makes a really good point about how

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you have people who are like, Okay, well, if you

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have this diaspora here and they're causing all these problems

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and they've taken over, you have to get rid of them.

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And Thomas is like, no, a structure was built that

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they can take that basically they can manipulate mm hmm.

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And the structure, basically that structure has to be torn down.

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And there's where there's your beginning is how do you

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tear understand this that structure the way it's built. It

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can will not only be if you got rid of

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this group over here, there's going to be another group

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who's going to step in and manipulate it in the

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same exact way. And if it's not you and your guys,

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well then then you're back in the same boat. I mean,

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it might not be as bad, but you know, come on, yeah,

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And this is.

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Speaker 2: The factionalism that the founders were really on guard against.

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They said, if you do this, if you go down

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this road, the real hardcore Jeffersonian road, which is what

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we've done. You know, the guys that would have we

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would have would have been on our side in the founding.

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You know, Washington particularly, but I'd love to think Madison

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but not really, but but really Washington in that crowd.

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You know, Washington was a royal, not a direct but

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but uh uh a royal, but was really worried about uh,

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the factionalism that would come from from going down the

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path we've gone.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: It was the later guys who came along, I mean

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Jefferson became President Madison, and they thought, and some would say,

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it was just destiny because we had such a big

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continent to fill up, that you were going to have

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to go down this path. That that, and and this

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is the This is what's interesting if you go read

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guys like Harry Jaffa of Claremont. I love Claremont. I

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know some of your watchers probably don't like Clermont. I

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think it's uh. I don't agree with Jaffa, but you've

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got to at least deal with Jaffa's arguments. And Jaffa

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says that Lincoln absolutely did what was necessary in order

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to fill up. Otherwise it would have been the the

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Germans or the Spanish, or the English or the French

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or somebody would have filled what would have filled up

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the rest of the continent. And the only way to

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do that is through natural right. You can disagree with that,

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but you got to deal with the argument. But going

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back to Thomas, no one's more metal than Thomas, right,

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I mean, Thomas is the heart is kind of sets

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the standard of hardcore. Yet, y'all, there is I've spent

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personal time with Thomas. There's no more gracious, sweetheart of

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a guy than than than than Thomas. And you listen

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when he's when he's on with Pete or on with

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you know, some of the other platforms, he's not he's

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not screaming and burning stuff. And you know he's he's

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got well reasoned arguments that and and where he understands

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human nature and understands incentives that have led to X

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y Z. So everybody just takes Tom the that what

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what what Aristotle would call the accidents of Thomas. You know,

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his his appearance and motif, but his but Thomas's essence

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is well reasoned. Again, Thomas and I might differ on

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I'm not I'm not particular a yacky guy, but but

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but but but we can have a we can talk

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about that and be but but you can't be more,

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you can't be any more just gracious in the sense

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of of the way Thomas presents his arguments, the way

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Thomas talks through. Thomas can is one of those guys

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who can make both sides of the argument. He knows

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both sides, he has studied both sides he can dissect.

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Be like that. Don't just think, oh, Thomas's metal, you know.

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And I'm gonna really listen to the guy. He's He's incredible,

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and how he can he can really gently take you through.

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Listen to the way he talks about Watergate. I think

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you just reposted the Watergate thing not too long ago. Yeah,

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this series on Watergate. Listen to how he measuredly take

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takes you through that entire process, this seemingly complex deal. Uh.

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Whereas if I talked about it, I'd just be like, yeah,

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John Dene deserves to burn forever and Auto have been

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in you know anyway, I've said enough about that, and

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I'm gonna have to go here. Pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you, I know you have you have

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stuff to do, all right, So well, and the way

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we always ended up please, And you know what's funny

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is I have notes here that we didn't even get to.

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I'm sorry, it's fine, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I think what we I think what we said will

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get me in enough trouble with enough people. And I

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really don't care. I mean, at this point, it's like,

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I mean, I'm I don't even read the comments anymore.

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I mean, I will read the comments, but most of

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the time, half the time I'm reading comments and rolling

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my eyes. So because I mean, people just I don't know.

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I don't know what they're expecting, what a realistic vision

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of the way forward is for most people. And I'm

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trying to lay it out and trying to share how

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I think it's going to happen. And I think people

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are people think that this can be solved overnight, and

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it wasn't built overnight. So all right, tell people where

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they can find your stuff and we'll get you out

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of here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've got a substack. It's easy to find Ronald

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Dodson or ron Doddson and I don't even remember, uh,

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but you find me on Twitter, Ronald Dodson, you can.

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I've written for Uh. I just got published by The Blaze.

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I wrote about Epstein the Blaze Media. Uh. That's a

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01:24:15,319 --> 01:24:18,920
big that's a big platform, and they were gracious enough

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to publish me and have asked me back. I've written

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for Claremont Institute's American Mind. I wrote a series on

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what I think power projection and foreign policy should look

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like going forward, and all right, often on more faith

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based stuff, theology, and the inner political theology basically for

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American reformer. Uh and uh, but come find me on

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Twitter if you disagree.

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Speaker 1: Just be nice.

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01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:50,279
Speaker 2: You know. I love people. You should too, even if

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you disagree with them. Disagree with public enemies. And you

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01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,279
can disagree with individuals, but don't hate them. Uh, it's

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01:24:59,319 --> 01:25:01,840
not gonna it's it's bad for your it's bad for

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01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,840
your heart, it's bad for your soul. But disagree, you know, disagree,

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01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,800
vote here ferously. But uh, if you if you disagree

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01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,840
with me, come find me on Twitter. We can Uh,

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01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,039
we can talk amicably and then hug it out. How's that?

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But that's where I am. I And I'm on shoot,

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I'm on with Jay Burden, and I'm on with the

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Iskar and c J A bunch. I'm here. I show

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up here with Pete when he's gracious enough to invite me.

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Uh and another any other podcasts near you?

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Speaker 1: Thanks Ron, take care of your stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right, Thanks thanks for having me, Pete, of course, thank you.

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