WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:03.680 Well, he lives, he lives. It's been way too long. 2 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:06.480 I thought he ditched us. I thought he decided that 3 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.519 he was done with the media portion of his long 4 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:15.080 and prosperous, well decorated career. But after weeks and weeks 5 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:17.640 and weeks abroad with a little sunshine on the ocean, 6 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:21.879 Richard Smith has triumphantly returned live in studio for the 7 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.839 next hour. You look tanned, you look rested, You look 8 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:26.239 twenty five years younger. 9 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:28.719 Really, where you been, man? Really? Where you been? 10 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:31.280 First of first of all, I don't know what Porter 11 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:33.520 is doing with this with this intro. 12 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:36.799 Is that Johnny Cash? Is that old old Johnny Cash? 13 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:40.560 That was uh, it was you two with Johnny Cash, 14 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:41.200 the Wanderer. 15 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:41.640 It was. 16 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:43.520 You. 17 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:45.479 It's appropriate, it's it's appropriate. 18 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:46.439 It was a reach. 19 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:48.280 Yeah, No, I think it was perfect. 20 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.679 Where you been, man, Where you've been? What's going on? Man? 21 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:52.840 No, I've been out of out of town spends. We 22 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:55.439 had a great, uh, great cruise in the in the 23 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.359 Caribbean for a few weeks. I had a terrific time. 24 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.359 And it was nice to see sunshine and eighty degrees 25 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:04.560 and and you know, one of the best parts of 26 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:07.640 having a trip like that is, uh is every now 27 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:11.439 and then you're you're sitting near the pool, You're sitting 28 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.120 up in the sunshine. You look at your phone and 29 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.079 you get on the weather rap and says Salt Lake 30 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:19.000 snowing and twenty three. 31 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:24.040 Yeah, now you yourself, anyone around here. This is why 32 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:24.840 I'm doing this. 33 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:25.159 Yeah. 34 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.200 Now. Now the flip side is you get off the 35 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:31.599 ship to go to the airport to come home, and 36 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:33.439 you say, what am I doing? 37 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:36.560 Why am I Why am I going back to do this? 38 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:40.120 I don't know, but for me it was because I 39 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:44.400 missed the Spence check Its show on the Drive with 40 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.959 Porter Larsen and and my I was I had to 41 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.959 get back here because I was getting a little anxious. 42 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.319 I was starting to twitch a little bit. And uh, 43 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.640 but here I am here, I am back with you. 44 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:01.200 So everything's normal, everything's calm, and and we're back to it. 45 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:03.400 So you expect me to believe the only reason you 46 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:06.120 left the Caribbean the warm weather so you could come, 47 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:07.400 you know, slepping on. 48 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:07.799 Air with you. 49 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:13.280 I have no other reason to do it but to 50 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.120 come back and talk to you fair enough. So this 51 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.520 is and we can talk about the jazz and the 52 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.560 trade deadline and all the other and and and maybe 53 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:26.879 even get in a vote to vote for what the 54 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.560 name of the hockey team is supposed to, because I'm 55 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:30.319 so I'm so. 56 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.439 Engrossed in that I can't believe it. 57 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:32.960 Do you have? 58 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:34.080 Okay, let's start there. 59 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.439 Porter and I educated the people yesterday, mostly Porter because 60 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:40.520 he loves the genealogy, on the fact that Utah actually 61 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:43.680 does have a very rich history when it comes to Outlaws. 62 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.960 Of course, Order's third cousin is Jesse James or Butch 63 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:51.280 Cassidy or who is it again, but Cassidy. There you go, Yeah, no, 64 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:53.199 I do now it's turning into a bit so. Butch 65 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:56.479 Cassidy is literally Porter's third cousin. He has tremendous knowledge 66 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:59.360 of Outlaws in the past. So we have the Outlaws, 67 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.120 we have the Mammoth, and we have my preferred name, 68 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:03.800 which is the name they already have, which is the 69 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:05.840 Utah Hockey Club. I think it's a classy I think 70 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.639 it's clean. I don't think it's corny. I don't need 71 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.400 an abominable snowman as a mascot. So I like the 72 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:14.280 current version, but I'm kind of out an island. What 73 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:19.039 do you think well, first of all, I'm wondering any 74 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:22.520 other hockey fan around the country, anybody who's involved in 75 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:26.759 the NHL, would they accept a team that's called the 76 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:32.479 Utah Outlaws relative to what most people's view of the 77 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:38.000 state of Utah is around conservatism and the LDS church 78 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:41.319 and whatever whatever, clean cut people and. 79 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:42.280 All that kind of stuff. 80 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:45.800 And then they're sitting there in North Carolina or Florida 81 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.800 or wherever, and they're going now they name their team 82 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.960 the Outlaws, the Utah oh am, I supposed to believe 83 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:53.840 that the Utah Outlaws, Well. 84 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:55.719 We have a team named the Jazz, and we don't 85 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.840 have any jazz music in the city that there's nowhere 86 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:00.439 you can go to listen to jazz, and so like, 87 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:01.639 yet our basketball team is. 88 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.840 The Jazz, I know, our you know, the one that's 89 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:08.479 the most egregious to me, Spencer never gets mentioned is 90 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.039 the Los Angeles Lakers. 91 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:12.680 Sure, exactly, you know and so but you. 92 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:16.759 Know, obviously, but having said all that, I I'm with you. 93 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.319 I'm in your camp one hundred percent. I said this 94 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:23.399 back back when whenever, and I still I'm still in 95 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.480 that camp that if I had a vote, which obviously 96 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:29.319 I don't I would be voting. 97 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:31.120 For Utah Hockey Club. 98 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:33.519 I love it that it's it's nice and clean, and 99 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:37.160 I like the logos they've gotten, the color scheme and everything. 100 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:39.680 And I don't know, I've heard you say this before, 101 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.680 and I'm and I'm in complete agreement with you for 102 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.480 for once in a while, that makes me feel good 103 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:50.000 that the that they seem to me to be overthinking 104 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:51.959 the whole process, you know. 105 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:53.600 So no, I'm with you. 106 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:56.680 And if you go to the next two home games 107 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:00.079 for the Utah Hockey Club, starting tonight against Columbus, you 108 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.279 can go through the exercise where you can pretend to 109 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.600 vote on this situation and simply give your data to 110 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.480 qual Tricks. And they're gonna do whatever they want behind 111 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:09.959 the scenes anyway. But they are presenting the facade of 112 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.240 a fan vote. It's not a real thing. But we'll see, 113 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.879 we'll see. It's been fun to have the hockey team here, said, 114 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:17.560 the kid was in town the other night scoring a 115 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:21.000 game winning overtime goal. And you know, we're not going 116 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.240 to do a lot of hockey, but I do find myself, 117 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:24.839 you know, could she kind of laugh and shake in 118 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:26.600 my head when the Rangers coming to town. Or the 119 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:29.759 Blues coming to town, or Alex Ovechkin is here, Sidney 120 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.920 Crosby is here, Like, it is pretty remarkable that they 121 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:34.600 were able to get this thing done with only a 122 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:35.519 few months turn around. 123 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.519 Well, that's that's the miracle. Spence and Ryan Smith and 124 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.319 his group at SEG like how they came to an 125 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:47.639 agreement with the NHL from from March, putting in a 126 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.439 letter of intent that they wanted to try and purchase 127 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.519 an expansion team at some point to the next month 128 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.000 in April, with Gary Bettman coming to Ryan Smith saying, hey, 129 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.639 can you do you want to get involved, like next Tuesday? 130 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.519 What are you talking about? And the Arizona team comes 131 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.240 here and bing bang boom. They're in the middle of 132 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.879 a season this year. With all of that, that to 133 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:13.360 me is nothing short of a miracle of just getting 134 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:15.600 it off the ground and getting it going and all 135 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.920 the stuff they've had to do, all the people who 136 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.680 I know behind the scenes over there at the Delta 137 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:24.240 Center who have scrambled and done the very best they 138 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:27.079 can to get this thing going, and the fans are responding, 139 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:30.480 and the team is competitive and all this kind of stuff. 140 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.240 It's just it really is a. 141 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:35.160 Marvel that they've gotten it to this point so quickly, 142 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.759 and you have to give them a lot of kudos. 143 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:38.800 For that, no doubt, no doubt. 144 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.800 All Right, since you and I last spoke, several interesting 145 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:45.360 scenarios haven't folded, not just in Jazz LAMB, but in 146 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:46.920 the world of pro basketball. 147 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:48.680 You know, you were one of the. 148 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:50.600 First people I thought of when the alert came down 149 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:52.480 on my phone that the Jazz had made a trade. 150 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:55.720 Now players are not involved, but it's an interesting thing 151 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.920 to consider. There are six teams smitty in pro basketball 152 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.279 that own a tremendous amount of draft capital moving forward 153 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:07.800 over the next five to six to seven drafts. Ok See, 154 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:14.160 Oklahoma City's at the top, San Antonio, It's Utah, It's Brooklyn, and. 155 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:15.439 I think it's Detroit. 156 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.319 Maybe there's one other team that has So there are 157 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:22.639 six teams total. They control multiple picks throughout the course 158 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:24.600 of the next five to six to seven drafts. 159 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:26.839 So let's dig into the deal. 160 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:28.720 Then let's talk about whether or not you think this 161 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.839 is going to become commonplace. So Utah sends three picks, 162 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:36.000 three first round picks to Phoenix. All three picks are 163 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:40.519 the least favorable of their picks, Minnesota's pick and Cleveland's pick. 164 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.519 So they obviously have done their calculation on the Cavs certainly, 165 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:45.959 and they've said this year that's going to be twenty 166 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.160 nine to thirty. Two years from now, they're probably going 167 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:50.240 to be really good. Then four years from now, nobody 168 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.120 really knows. But the least favorable of all three might 169 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:55.759 be in the twenties as well. So they're saying, like, Okay, 170 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.480 we're sending three picks to Phoenix that we think are 171 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.160 going to be, you know, not necessarily great value in 172 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:04.040 the late twenties, on the off chance that in twenty 173 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.319 thirty one, Booker's in his thirties, Durant's probably in a 174 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.959 retirement home, Beal's done. Anyway, in the off chance that 175 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:13.480 Phoenix is pivoting and rebuilding in twenty thirty one, we'll 176 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.000 take that chance. So we'll trade you three assets for 177 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:19.160 one that we perceive to be as worth the risk, 178 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:22.160 I guess I'll say, so break this down for us, 179 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:23.639 and do you think this is something we're going to 180 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.160 see in pro basketball moving forward with all these teams 181 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:26.920 with so many picks. 182 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:30.000 Yeah, And you're exactly right, Spence, And the reason you 183 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:32.639 do that the reason you have, you know, this famous 184 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:36.679 phrase of assets accumulation is because you're trying to get 185 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:41.200 as many many chips in the pile if you will, 186 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:42.399 that you can. 187 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:43.440 And then when. 188 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:46.440 Something like this comes up, and we've talked about this 189 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.919 before on the show, you never know. You can control 190 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.679 some things within your purview of how you want to 191 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:55.639 do things, who you want to take in the draft, 192 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:57.279 how you want if you want to move up in 193 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.519 the draft and move down, whatever it is, sign a 194 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:01.840 free agent, and those kind of things. But then there 195 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.039 are other things that affect your organization along the way 196 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:11.159 that you have no control of that just come at you, 197 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:13.879 and you have to be ready to be able to 198 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:18.440 react in a way that you feel can benefit your organization. 199 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:21.240 And this is one of those times. So the Jazz 200 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:25.320 accumulated a bunch of draft picks over a bunch of years. 201 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.120 You know, when are they going to use them, How 202 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.519 are they going to use them? Who are those picks 203 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.360 going to be? You know, some people look kind of go, boy, 204 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:35.799 we got like three draft picks in the first round 205 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.480 in a year, you know, five years from now. Where 206 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.519 the kid we're gonna pick right now is in seventh grade? 207 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:44.840 Or whatever you know, and it's so it's like that 208 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.159 part of it is goofy, but you have those in 209 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.759 place in case something like this comes about. So what happens, 210 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:57.360 Phoenix is desperately trying to figure out a way to 211 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:02.080 get Jimmy Butler from Miami. Big roadblock is because of 212 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:05.679 Bradley Beal, who is the most tradeable ASCID or at 213 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:07.879 least the one that they would like to be able 214 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:10.960 to move, who has no trade clause, which is very 215 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:14.679 unusual in the NBA. Very few players get that in 216 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:18.279 their contracts. But that was something he negotiated when he 217 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.080 was in Washington. Why they would do that, who knows, 218 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:24.039 but that was a decision they made. Now Phoenix has 219 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.600 it and they have to deal with it. So they're 220 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:29.759 trying to figure out a way to move Bradley Beal. Well, 221 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:33.120 they have to have some other assets because Phoenix has 222 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:38.840 backed themselves into a corner so deep with their roster construction, 223 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.120 they have no draft picks to speak of. They have 224 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:47.159 nowhere to move. This is what they built. They went 225 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:50.720 all in on this group, and this group showed last 226 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.799 year they get beaten the first round by Minnesota. 227 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.240 This year they're struggling to just. 228 00:10:56.960 --> 00:10:59.320 Hopefully get out of the playing thing if they can 229 00:10:59.360 --> 00:10:59.879 get in the top. 230 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.279 But that's not what they're supposed to do. 231 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:06.080 They believe they're supposed to be one of the top two, 232 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.320 three four teams in the West. It's not working out 233 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.759 to this point in time. So they're struggling like, Okay, 234 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.519 now what do we do? So they the only thing 235 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:18.399 they can figure out at that moment is can we 236 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.240 use an asset way in the future, meaning the twenty 237 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:26.039 thirty one unprotected first round pick, and get multiple assets 238 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.240 for that. The Jazz are waiting in the in the weeds. 239 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:33.159 They come up, they raise their hand in the classroom. Yeah, 240 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:36.519 we have three draft picks. We'll trade you, and Phenix 241 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.320 goes okay, three for one. Okay, we'll do that. So 242 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:42.399 the Jazz figure, Okay, we've got all these picks. That's 243 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:44.960 why we have them, so we can roll it into 244 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:49.159 something else. So we think might be more valuable way 245 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:52.399 down the road. Will it be? We have no idea. 246 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.320 Is it something we might use two years from now 247 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:00.000 in another move? We might do that, but we've got 248 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.799 that's something we feel is a little more valuable than 249 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.519 what we have right now. Phoenix is in a position 250 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.519 where they need multiple assets to try and get someone 251 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:14.279 else in their trade scenario with Butler and Beal, and so. 252 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:15.679 They want to make that move. 253 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.639 So you take advantage of that and you take that 254 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.000 pick and you put it to the side, and then 255 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:23.759 you move on if you're the Jazz, and you wait 256 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:27.159 in the wings and you see what happens with those 257 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.240 other teams in their potential trade scenarios. 258 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:34.320 So there are constant rumors surrounding the Jazz, as there 259 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:36.240 are this time of year with a lot of teams. 260 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.120 But I referenced, Oh, by the way, the team I 261 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:42.320 forgot with additional draft capitals Houston. Then it's Charlotte, So 262 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:46.600 there are sixteen. Charlotte has eight, first, Houston has nine. 263 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:50.120 The Jazz still have eleven even after the trade. Then 264 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.360 you're looking at Brooklyn that has fifteen, You're looking at 265 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:57.799 San Antonio that has twelve, and Oklahoma City has ten 266 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.279 thirteen incoming picks, ten that are trade and they're awesome. 267 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.360 So that's that's difficult. Sam Presty's done a hell of 268 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.960 a job. But every time somebody talks about this trade deadline, 269 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.720 they talk about John Collins potentially to Sacramento. 270 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:12.360 They talk about Colin Sexton. 271 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.000 You know, the Lakers are the worst because every player 272 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:17.720 that's available that might fit in say, like, hey, the 273 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:20.440 Lakers in on Colin Sexton. I don't know, no idea. 274 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:23.559 And then obviously Jordan Clarkson's another name. What are the 275 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:27.159 conversations behind closed doors Jazz front office right now? Wigne 276 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:29.240 what to do with some of these pieces with twenty 277 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.279 seven million in cap space and a bunch of draft 278 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.960 capital too, Like, what do you think they're discussing prior 279 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:35.200 to February sixth. 280 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.720 Well, first of all, they've gone in this season right 281 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:39.840 with the idea that they're going to try and develop 282 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:41.279 all these young players. 283 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:42.559 And whether you. 284 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:45.519 Believe they're doing that or not, whether they're making progress 285 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.840 or not, you know, everybody has an opinion about that. 286 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:52.440 The bottom line is they're not winning, and they're not 287 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:56.759 going to win this year. So they recognize that. So 288 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:59.759 they're going to try and do anything that need to 289 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:04.039 help them moving forward in terms of a draft asset 290 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:08.639 or maybe a good young player if one comes available, 291 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.519 or to try and shed some more money. So they 292 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:16.080 don't care if they have John Collins on the roster 293 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.679 a week from now. They don't care if they have 294 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:22.720 Jordan Clarkson on the roster a week from now. It 295 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.279 doesn't matter to what they're doing now. So if they 296 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.039 can find a place, a landing spot for any of 297 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:35.519 those kind of guys, I've become I was partially, but 298 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:39.720 now I'm all in spence on being a Colin Sexton guy. 299 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:43.919 He's the most efficient player the Jazz have this year 300 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:47.039 to this point. He's played the best, he's played the 301 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:51.080 most consistent. He plays with force, he plays with energy. 302 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.960 I like the way he carries himself on the floor. 303 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.919 He's one of the few guys who brings energy and 304 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:02.679 some level of tough to the roster. So for me, 305 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.320 you take market In, you take Kessler, you take sext 306 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.399 Then you put those three guys to the side. 307 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:12.639 Okay, anybody else is fair game. 308 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.759 Anybody else, especially if you can make a move to 309 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.679 get rid of some money, whether that's Clarkson who's making 310 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.000 fourteen this year and fourteen next year, or whether that's 311 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:25.399 Collins who's making twenty six. If you can move those 312 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:28.840 guys to some team that wants them to values them 313 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:31.399 in a way that they think they could help them 314 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.159 somewhere in some kind of a playoff drive. Then you 315 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.480 look to do that kind of thing to get some 316 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.120 kind of an asset, a future draft pick or another 317 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.679 young guy or something that's making whatever it is, you 318 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.679 do that kind of a move to set yourself up 319 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.960 for the kind of stuff that you want to do 320 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.759 this coming summer and beyond, because this year you're not 321 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.159 going anywhere, so it doesn't matter. So you're trying to 322 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:01.320 figure out something that makes sense to add to what 323 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:05.840 you're trying to build in terms of opportunities going down 324 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:06.240 the road. 325 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.960 Let me follow up, since you reference Colin Colin Sex 326 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.120 and you like what he's bringing. He's twenty seven years 327 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.559 old or excuse me, twenty six years old, and I 328 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:18.480 always kind of chuckle because we talk about Colin and 329 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:21.240 John as if they're in their late thirties, because they're 330 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:22.919 not Keyante or Isaiah or whatever. 331 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:23.080 Like. 332 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.720 He's still very much a young player that's entering his prime. 333 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:28.519 His splits on the year about eighteen and a half 334 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:32.559 points three boards for assists, and when you look at 335 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:35.080 the shooting percentage, he shoots forty eight percent from the floor, 336 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.320 he shoots forty two percent from three, and takes almost 337 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:39.200 four to threes a game, which I never thought it 338 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.679 would be his deal. So he's put in the work, 339 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.840 he's improved a lot, and we always have this debate 340 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:46.360 and I have a couple of other names. I want 341 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:48.559 to kick the tires with you on. But like the debate. 342 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:50.799 Anytime I go on another show, another podcast and they 343 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.879 want to talk jazz, they all ask me the same question, 344 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:54.440 who's around when they're good? 345 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.240 And I've always said, well, market In for sure. 346 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:01.200 If you know, if they can with Pete Lowry's part 347 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:01.639 of the future. 348 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:03.200 I think Walker is too. 349 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:05.960 Is there a debate in that front office room, like, hey, 350 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.920 maybe Colin is part of this too, based off of 351 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:08.519 what you've seen. 352 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:12.079 Sure, I would say definitely, because what he's done, He's 353 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:13.400 always been a tough guy. 354 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.440 He's always brought energy. 355 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:19.400 His issue early on in his career was his his 356 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:25.599 turnover rate and also his susceptible shooting. Now you look 357 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:27.920 this year, and again it's half a year, so we 358 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.240 see how the rest of the year plays out. But 359 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.839 on a team that's struggling, a team that's having trouble 360 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:38.359 with winning games, a team that's having trouble finishing games 361 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.359 when they're in the fourth quarter, and it's still, you know, 362 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:43.799 in the balance, and they have trouble doing those things. 363 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:47.400 Sexton is the one guy who has shown during this 364 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:51.200 year so far that he can be counted on to 365 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.000 make good decisions, can be galunted on to make a 366 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:55.880 play when you need to make it. 367 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:57.359 He's one of. 368 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:59.839 Those guys who just plays hard every night, and his 369 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.039 improved his shooting to the point where you say, well, 370 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:08.559 now that's serviceable, meaning he can help a good team 371 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.279 in terms of how he plays. He's not gonna be 372 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.480 the main guy, but he can be a third or 373 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:19.160 fourth or fifth guy on a team that is trying 374 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.880 to trying to have some level of sustainability of winning. 375 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.279 So you might be able to move him. 376 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:30.559 Maybe you do, but at his age, the way he's improved, 377 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:33.640 he looks to me like a guy that's the kind 378 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.440 of guy I would want to have around, not only 379 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:39.440 because he's shown that he can get better, but because 380 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:42.920 of the energy he brings. Jazz don't have a lot 381 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.200 of guys on their roster who when they come on 382 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.519 the floor, you go, okay, now now we're. 383 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:48.680 Gonna see something that's for sure. 384 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.039 We're gonna get up into a guy We're gonna run 385 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:54.839 a guy down from behind. We're gonna step in and 386 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.559 try and take a charge. We're gonna push the ball 387 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:01.160 down the floor from end to end, full blast. They 388 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.160 don't have many of those guys, and Sexton is one 389 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:08.200 of those guys, and he's always been that. Now you 390 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:11.640 put in this component that if his shooting, if that's 391 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:14.160 if that's a real thing, and he can keep it 392 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:17.480 around that forty mark from three, and he's an excellent 393 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:21.960 free throw shooter and he's making better decisions, then he's 394 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.960 a guy who's who's increased his value and has increased 395 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:30.640 his ability to be able to help you in a 396 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.279 winning effort. See, that's what they're trying to see about 397 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:37.279 all these other young guys they've drafted last two years, 398 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.359 or any of those guys, whether it's a Kiante George 399 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:43.799 or a Sensaba or a Collier, they're all young guys. 400 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:46.880 Can any of them show that they can make those 401 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:51.839