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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Nicole, I'm not touching that line, but thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much for the introduction. My name is Dan Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>the host of Night's Side, heard every Monday through Friday

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<v Speaker 2>going through the night. We're going to talk about a

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<v Speaker 2>local issue at nine o'clock. Boston is gonna would like

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<v Speaker 2>tell you these politicians they have an unyielding appetite to

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<v Speaker 2>get their hands in your pockets in what I will

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that that is for sure. And then we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about who's going to lead the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>out of the wilderness tonight at ten o'clock. There seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be a political shift amongst young people actually, which

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<v Speaker 2>might surprise some of you, and I think that Bernie

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<v Speaker 2>Sanders and AOC might soon. They say nature apports a vacuum,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think there's a vacuum of leadership in the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party right now, and we'll talk about who might

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<v Speaker 2>actually fulfill that very important position to say, to actually

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<v Speaker 2>state the ideals and the standards of the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 2>But first here in this hour, we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk with four very interesting guests. One of my most

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<v Speaker 2>interesting guests in a long time is someone who I've

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<v Speaker 2>known for many years, and he's kind of popped back

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<v Speaker 2>off on my radar. I'm not going to go old

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<v Speaker 2>school with you and talk about how we knew each other,

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<v Speaker 2>but Mark Epstein. Epstein Mark is a author, went to

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<v Speaker 2>high school here and a college at Worcester State, and

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<v Speaker 2>after some period of time relocated and became an educator

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<v Speaker 2>in South Carolina, but also never lost his passion for sports,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly baseball and basketball. He played basketball at Worcester State

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, and he has written a book

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<v Speaker 2>entitled Cape Dreams, A Season with the Brewster white Caps,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of the franchises, one of the teams

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<v Speaker 2>down in the Cape Cod League. Mark, I really mean this.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Nightsott, how are you hey.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great to hear your voice again. That was a

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<v Speaker 3>fun round reunion we had earlier, certainly was, so I want.

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<v Speaker 2>To jump into it. This book actually is going to

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<v Speaker 2>hit the bookstands tomorrow, and anyone who's a baseball fan

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<v Speaker 2>or anyone who is from New England's certainly knows about

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<v Speaker 2>the Cape Cod League. But you spent last summer literally

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<v Speaker 2>living with the Brewster Whitecaps and traveled with them on

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<v Speaker 2>the bus and got to know all the players and

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<v Speaker 2>how this Cape Cod team came together. So in the

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<v Speaker 2>few minutes that we have, let's talk about why people

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<v Speaker 2>should pick up this book if they're from New England

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<v Speaker 2>or if they're a baseball fan of any sort, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's a great read. I have not had

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to read it yet, but I'm sure I will.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is, you know, Peter Gammis wrote the forwards,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would say the biggest reason is that not

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<v Speaker 3>only is there something real special that endeared me to

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<v Speaker 3>the town of Brewster, Massachusetts, the organization, the volunteers, the players,

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<v Speaker 3>the president Luke Dillon, the manager Jamie Sabschek, the maker

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<v Speaker 3>dom Inshodge of host family, James Sullivan. But it's such

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<v Speaker 3>a quaint town and it's so Cape Cod they don't

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<v Speaker 3>even have a red light. But you know what the

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<v Speaker 3>most proud of, the most proud of the Brewster white Caps.

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<v Speaker 3>And what we did is we got into the lives

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<v Speaker 3>of the players. I was real fortunate that I worked

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<v Speaker 3>closely with the mandager, Jamie Shevshik, one of the great

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<v Speaker 3>baseball minds in America today, maybe one of the most

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<v Speaker 3>successful collegiate coaches of any sports, actively managing at Keystone

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<v Speaker 3>College where he's won nineteen straight conference championships in Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 3>and he spends the summer managing the Brewster white Caps,

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<v Speaker 3>and they have a tremendous tradition. But we were able

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<v Speaker 3>to get into the lives of the players. It were

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<v Speaker 3>no restrictions. He wasn't. He was very secure in himself

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<v Speaker 3>and allowing me full privileged to live dine e travel.

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<v Speaker 3>I was almost a teammate. I felt I had gone

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<v Speaker 3>back to college and I enjoyed every second of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The guys, well, now these are the best, all of these,

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<v Speaker 2>these Cape Cort League teams, they're the best college players

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<v Speaker 2>in the country. It is the premier college baseball league.

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<v Speaker 2>It's primarily for either freshmen or sophomores. Uh and and

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<v Speaker 2>some of these, I mean, we could we could list

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<v Speaker 2>the players that have graduated from the Cape Cod League and.

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<v Speaker 3>Gone on our judges on the cover of the book.

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<v Speaker 2>And judge is one that comes to mind. CC Sabathia,

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<v Speaker 2>who's about to be aducted uh next summer into a

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame, great pitcher with the Indians, and little

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<v Speaker 2>bit and on the back, yes, so and and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of great Red Sox players have spent time down there.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had probably two or three players on that

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<v Speaker 2>team that you spent the summer with. That two or

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<v Speaker 2>three four five years from now, you're going to look

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<v Speaker 2>up at major league rosters and say, I remember.

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<v Speaker 3>That guy, and I'll give you their name.

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<v Speaker 2>White Caps. Yeah, absolutely, I'll give me the name. Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them has become one of my best friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew Fisher, a star run, he's all He's got to

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<v Speaker 3>go into Tennessee that ranked number one in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>They're twenty two and two. Another one who's could be

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty six. The first player taken in the

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<v Speaker 3>MLB draft, Dan Covey reminds me a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>maybe a compacted size without the reigns of an a Rod.

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<v Speaker 3>Incredible talent. And we got a guy named Nick Doulasil

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<v Speaker 3>who exploded on the cake this summer, and he's not

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<v Speaker 3>right now. By the one hundred scouts that followed the

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<v Speaker 3>team this summer, they have him in the top ten

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<v Speaker 3>to fifteen players tape getting drafted this year in the

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<v Speaker 3>first round. And it goes on and on.

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<v Speaker 2>It.

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<v Speaker 3>Every team in the league can rattle up names of

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<v Speaker 3>players that have gone on to start him after they

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<v Speaker 3>left the Cape. And you know, Peter Gammons does a

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<v Speaker 3>great job of saying it best, and he's so eloquent anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>but he.

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<v Speaker 2>Says, probably I think I read that there's about two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred alumni. If I'm not mistaken, maybe it's more from

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<v Speaker 2>the Cape League who have played and in many cases,

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<v Speaker 2>excelled in Major League baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>There are three hundred and fifty on Major league rosters

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<v Speaker 3>last season alone. There are almost two thousands through the

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<v Speaker 3>history of the league that goes back to nineteen twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Well, and there's only about by the way, when

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<v Speaker 2>you think about it, it's only about twenty two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people players who have ever on the major league uniform.

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<v Speaker 2>So that means about ten percent of everybody who's played

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<v Speaker 2>in the major leagues spent some time with one of

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<v Speaker 2>the Cape Cod League teams. What what?

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<v Speaker 3>And last year? Yeah, you're right, you're right. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the scent of the rosters last year were Cape alumni.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's only going to get more, So let me

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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know what they kept, Dan, you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what's so special about it? You know, and not

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<v Speaker 3>just Brewster. All the teams are highlighted throughout the story,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, emphasis is on the Brewster White Caps for sure,

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what's those special? They kept the same

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<v Speaker 3>old school values that our country was founded by that

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<v Speaker 3>made the national pastime the real national pass line. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no entitlement. The guys don't get paid. It's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the last amateur athletic organizations left in America. The guys

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<v Speaker 3>pay their own way. They're housed in with host families.

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<v Speaker 3>The Ball of Tears work twelve months a year, like

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<v Speaker 3>the James Sullivans of the world, and it's just something

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<v Speaker 3>that when you stop attending, there's something that pulls you

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<v Speaker 3>in and it tapped as you for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, what A lot of people don't realize, Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>and you of course know it better than Mars. But

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tell you one quick story. All these

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<v Speaker 2>players have a summer job which.

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<v Speaker 3>They used to they are doing that. Yeah, three five

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<v Speaker 3>years ago that you eliminated that front of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the reason the reason I know that is I

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<v Speaker 2>heard Buck Showalter tell a story once that he played

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<v Speaker 2>in the Cape League one summer. This would have been

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<v Speaker 2>back sometime in the nineteen eighties, and he had a

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<v Speaker 2>job I think it was Sho Walter that told the

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<v Speaker 2>story with some sort of a painting company, and one

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<v Speaker 2>of the jobs that summer, besides playing baseball office he

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<v Speaker 2>during the day they were painting fences, including fences at

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<v Speaker 2>the Kennedy Compound down in Hyena. So and look, let

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<v Speaker 2>me do this, Mark, I'm running out of time here.

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<v Speaker 2>So the most important part of the interview. You certainly

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<v Speaker 2>have the passion and the enthusiasm I'm sure is going.

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<v Speaker 3>I want everyone to read this story and fall in

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<v Speaker 3>love with the Cape League because one show hook you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what we gotta do here real quickly. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we're running out of time. What we got to do

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<v Speaker 2>here is we got to tell them how they can

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<v Speaker 2>get It's going to be a whole lot of Barnes

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<v Speaker 2>and Nobles bookstores tomorrow also going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be able to order it.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, yeah you can. You can take the plane

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to fly. We only got thirty seconds left, Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>so go for it.

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<v Speaker 3>The Barnes and Nobles will be able to order it

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<v Speaker 3>for ingroospot tomorrow. It goes online for retail. Tale Online

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<v Speaker 3>retail sales April fifth, and my website is Mockpass find

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<v Speaker 3>your books dot com. You can order from me. You

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<v Speaker 3>can go into a bookstore on the tape or through

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<v Speaker 3>the northeast Barnes and Nobles and your bumblestock ay them

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<v Speaker 3>soon and there's a big event at Polar Parking on

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<v Speaker 3>It's the Polar Part Great Writers series and doctor Charles

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<v Speaker 3>Steinberg and Ted galluped on the host it and it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a celebration at Cape cod Baseball with

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Mitchell and Ronnie Tarry's coming there before.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta I gotta call time out. I gotta call

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<v Speaker 2>time out because we're now be we are now intruding

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<v Speaker 2>into the time of the next guest. Mark, I gave

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<v Speaker 2>you a lot of time because you're an old friend

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<v Speaker 2>and we both love baseball. Thanks so much, best of

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<v Speaker 2>luck with the book, and we'll hopefully see you down

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<v Speaker 2>in the Cape this summer of the ball game.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Cape Dreams, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, have a great one. All Right, we get back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to I love people who are enthusiastic and

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<v Speaker 2>uh and particularly about baseball, and that is a great

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<v Speaker 2>description of Mark. We are going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 2>a pay gap for women in New Hampshire, which will

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from The Window World

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<v Speaker 2>Well today is on March twenty fourth, but tomorrow's March

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifth, as you could probably figure out without me

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<v Speaker 2>telling you, But tomorrow is also the what's called National

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<v Speaker 2>Women's Equal Payday, and New Hampshire Fiscal Policy Institute has

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<v Speaker 2>done a study which Jessica Williams, who is a policy

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<v Speaker 2>analyst for that group, is going to talk about. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess's the women's pay gap in New Hampshire is larger

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<v Speaker 2>than national average. Jessica Williams, Welcome to Nightside. How are you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I'm doing wonderful this evening. How are you doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>So what do we attribute I'm doing great? What do

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<v Speaker 2>we attribute this distinction? I'm assuming that there is a

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<v Speaker 2>pay gap. Obviously you folks have identified it. There has

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<v Speaker 2>to be some reasons for it. What is it? The

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<v Speaker 2>types of jobs that women are employed in? What are

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<v Speaker 2>the factors that caused this disparity?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, absolutely so, I will not generally the wage gap

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<v Speaker 4>for New Hampshire and women in New Hampshire is wider

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<v Speaker 5>So, based on data that we have.

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<v Speaker 4>For twenty twenty three GRANTITEDE State women working full time

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<v Speaker 4>earned median incomes at about seventy six percent of what

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<v Speaker 4>men earned at about seventy six thousand dollars for men

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<v Speaker 4>compared to about fifty seven thousand dollars for women annually.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, when we compare data by occupational group in

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<v Speaker 4>New Hampshire, the wage gaps were the widest among those

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<v Speaker 4>in the legal sector, the entertainment and media sector, as

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<v Speaker 4>well as among management occupations. So, I know you asked

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<v Speaker 4>about kind of the why of this wage gap. So one,

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<v Speaker 4>considering the wage gap, it's important to note that woman

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<v Speaker 4>experience lower labor force participation rates. So according to New

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<v Speaker 4>Hampshire specific data for twenty twenty four, about ninety one

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<v Speaker 4>percent of male workers aged twenty five to fifty four

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<v Speaker 4>were engaged in the state's labor force, compared to only

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<v Speaker 4>about eighty three percent female workers of the same ages.

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica, yeah, yeah, the numbers are numbers are interesting, and

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<v Speaker 2>on radio sometimes it's tough to absorb those numbers. But

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<v Speaker 2>so why amongst young people when you the age group

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<v Speaker 2>you were talking about, there is the youngest sort of

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<v Speaker 2>In that group, I think you said twenty five to

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<v Speaker 2>thirty four. So why such a disparity between the number

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<v Speaker 2>of people not only working. Yeah, it was, as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshi labor force participation, but in turn then a

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, so those are the labor forces among workers aged

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<v Speaker 4>twenty five to fifty four in the state's labor force.

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<v Speaker 4>While this is true when we consider the total New

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<v Speaker 4>Hampshire labor force size, women comprised about a half of

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<v Speaker 4>New Hampshire based jobs. So this suggests that women may

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<v Speaker 4>be both less likely to commute out of state for

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<v Speaker 4>part time jobs, which tend to have lower pay and

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<v Speaker 4>of course offer little to no benefits such as health

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just looking at something. I just want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure I'm following you here, because with numbers, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>report that I'm looking at says women held forty nine

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<v Speaker 2>point seven percent of private jobs based in New Hampshire

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<v Speaker 2>according to the early twenty twenty four data. So that

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<v Speaker 2>would suggest that women are holding about half of the

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<v Speaker 2>private jobs based in New Hampshire. Or am I reading

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<v Speaker 2>that wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? Yes, that would be true. So based on that data,

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<v Speaker 4>women held slightly less than half, as you noted about

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<v Speaker 4>forty nine point seven.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty close to Hampshire half. Okay, And so is

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<v Speaker 2>it the type of jobs that the women in New

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<v Speaker 2>Hampshire are holding the reason? Let me tell you the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I'm asking this. Okay, You've had a series of

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<v Speaker 2>women in New Hampshire in positions of real influence. Both

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<v Speaker 2>your United States Senators are women. You've had members, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a period of time when all four members in

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<v Speaker 2>Congress were females. Women. There's a new Republican women governor.

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<v Speaker 2>So women have done very well devisented to the highest

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<v Speaker 2>positions in the political life of New Hampshire. Have they

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<v Speaker 2>not done their job? The political leaders up there to

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<v Speaker 4>Yes. So with that, I think it's important to note

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<v Speaker 4>the percent of women engaging in the labor force and

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<v Speaker 4>what type of jobs they are working. So I can't

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<v Speaker 4>offer you some data. Women are more likely to engage

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<v Speaker 4>and paid care giving goals. This can include things like

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<v Speaker 4>childcare workers as well as home health care workers. So,

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<v Speaker 4>based on data that we have for twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 4>women comprised close to ninety one percent of early care

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<v Speaker 4>and education workers in New Hampshire's workforce in about eighty

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<v Speaker 4>six percent of home health care workers across the state.

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<v Speaker 4>We know that both of these occupations tend to offer

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<v Speaker 2>So that brings me back. That brings me back to

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<v Speaker 2>the question that I asked before, And perhaps you didn't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>What I was trying to say was that New Hampshire,

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<v Speaker 2>above all, has had tremendous representation. Both United States senators

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<v Speaker 2>currently are female, one member of Congress, and until recently,

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<v Speaker 2>both members of the House of representatves are female. You've

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<v Speaker 2>had women governors out there, both of whom ascended to

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<v Speaker 2>the US Senate. Have these political leaders dropped the ball

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to trying to level the playing field

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<v Speaker 2>for women? They are themselves women who, from a political

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<v Speaker 2>point of view, are at the apex of power. You

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<v Speaker 2>may not want to criticize political leaders, but I'm sort

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<v Speaker 2>of giving you that opportunity to tell me why they

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<v Speaker 2>have not been able to make a greater difference for

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Dan, and thank you so much for that question.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish I could answer your question more directly. I

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<v Speaker 4>can say, when we, of course consider potential policy initiatives

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<v Speaker 4>that may help mitigate some of the harms in the

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<v Speaker 4>higher paid gap at New Hampshire, it's important to consider

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<v Speaker 4>why women may have some of these lower meeting incomes

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<v Speaker 4>compared to men, and may be more likely to work

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<v Speaker 4>some of these lower income jobs, as I noted. Of course,

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<v Speaker 4>access to higher education you know, may help to lessen

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<v Speaker 4>the gap in New Hampshire. As I mentioned, women are

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<v Speaker 4>more likely to work in occupations offer lower wages and

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, you represent tonight the New Hampshire Fiscal Policy

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<v Speaker 2>Institute and that sounds to me like a great organization.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope that some of the women leaders political

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<v Speaker 2>leaders in New Hampshire will take the time to read

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<v Speaker 2>this report, which is entitled Spotlight on Granted State Women

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<v Speaker 2>in the Labor Force for National Women's Equal Payday. Jessica,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your time. I'm flat out of it though, and

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<v Speaker 2>people can find that report just by going to NHFPI,

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<v Speaker 2>which stands for New Hampshire Fiscal Policy Into Institute dot

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<v Speaker 2>org and I hope they do read it. It's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>statistics and it's available on the web. Thank you very

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<v Speaker 2>much for your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, thank you so much for having me on the show.

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<v Speaker 6>Appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great night. Good night. When we get back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about lowering your energy rates and

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<v Speaker 2>how you can do that, particularly here in Massachusetts. Back

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside right after.

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<v Speaker 1>This Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, everyone. This is a Monday night. It is

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<v Speaker 2>March twenty fourth. We are officially in spring. Baseball starts

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<v Speaker 2>for real this Thursday for the Red Sox down in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you what is something for real for

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<v Speaker 2>us every day of the week, winter, spring, summer, and fall,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is our electric bills, are heating bills, all

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<v Speaker 2>of those public utility costs that everyone has to experience

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<v Speaker 2>and pay off and through the nose here in New

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<v Speaker 2>England with us is Abbi Foster. Abby's the vice president

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<v Speaker 2>of Policy and Advocacy for REAL, the Retail Advancement Energy League.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you, thanks, Dan? Doing well well?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks? Very much for coming back. I am a huge

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<v Speaker 2>advocate for energy rates availability, and we have in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>this website that I'm sure you're familiar with, which allows

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<v Speaker 2>us as consumers to compare our energy rates with that

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<v Speaker 2>energy rate that might be offered by other companies here

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts. Explain it and why people should be going

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<v Speaker 2>to this. I think it's mass Energy rates dot org

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm not mistaken, or dot com. I'm gonna look

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<v Speaker 2>it up in them while you talk. But it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very important people should have it earmarked on their computer.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain to everyone why it's important.

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<v Speaker 7>They certainly should so. Back in the late nineties, Massachuset's

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<v Speaker 7>decided that they wanted to have competition in their electric market,

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<v Speaker 7>and so they broke up the electric utility monopoly and

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<v Speaker 7>made it so that customers could choose who their energy

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<v Speaker 7>supplier was, and so that all sorts of companies and

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<v Speaker 7>private investors could invest in the state and build generation

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<v Speaker 7>and not just one company. And so because of that,

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<v Speaker 7>customers and Massachusetts residential, commercial, industrial business customers the same.

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<v Speaker 7>They can all go and shop on the state managed

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<v Speaker 7>website energy SWITCHMA dot gov and look at the prices,

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<v Speaker 7>compare the utility offer, look at municipal aggregation if that's offered,

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<v Speaker 7>and then look at the offers from competitive electric suppliers.

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<v Speaker 7>And if they want cost savings, they can shop based

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<v Speaker 7>on cost. If they want one hundred percent renewable energy,

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<v Speaker 7>they can look for that free electric vehicle charging, you

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<v Speaker 7>name it. That's the benefit of the competitive market. There's

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<v Speaker 7>a customer demand for something, the market responds and customers

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's great. There's another way to get to

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<v Speaker 2>it as simply. Also just mass energy rates will get

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<v Speaker 2>the get you there as well. And it's so simple.

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<v Speaker 2>You just you select your your utility, whatever the utility is,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's ever source or national grid or unitil UH.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they're asked you to explain what are you residential

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<v Speaker 2>or commercial or a large commercial most people are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be residential. And then you after that, I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>you're asked to put in like your ZIP code and

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<v Speaker 2>then it all, it all pops up for you. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this was UH. I believe was Governor Paul Salucci at

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<v Speaker 2>the time in the legislature who worked to make this

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<v Speaker 2>available to Massachusetts customers. I use it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I use it all the time. I switched my energy

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<v Speaker 2>provider as recently as last week. But believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>the folks who are running Massachusetts these days, Governor Healey's

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<v Speaker 2>office and the Attorney General's office, they're trying to take

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<v Speaker 2>this wonderful consumer choice off the books. What's going on

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think there's a lot of misconceptions.

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<v Speaker 7>Part of the other challenge is that Massachusetts consumer protections

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<v Speaker 7>So a lot of other states have improved market reforms

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<v Speaker 7>and protections in place so that customers are more protected

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<v Speaker 7>as they shop. So things like requiring newdas is to

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<v Speaker 7>be sent to customers when it's time for renewal, for

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<v Speaker 7>the price to be disclosed if there's changes to the contract.

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<v Speaker 7>And then there's also not a really high bar in

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<v Speaker 7>Massachusetts for entry for companies who are coming to offer

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<v Speaker 7>supply offers. Things like requiring licensing fees, bonding.

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<v Speaker 6>Requirements, and so those are things that we've.

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<v Speaker 7>Actually all suggested and represented to. Taki Chan and Senator

427
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<v Speaker 7>Patrick O'Connor have introduced legislation that would improve the market

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<v Speaker 7>in response to legislators who are just trying to close

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<v Speaker 7>it down rather than looking for ways to fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>So my question is is assuming that there's a problem,

431
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<v Speaker 2>and I don't really think there is a problem, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just switched to a Consolation energy and I got

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<v Speaker 2>in the mail today as matterford to have a file

434
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<v Speaker 2>of opened up over here. They're going to notify me.

435
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<v Speaker 2>I signed up for nine months fixed rates of like

436
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<v Speaker 2>twelve cents per kilo one hour for my electricity, and

437
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<v Speaker 2>they have promised that they will send me a notice

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<v Speaker 2>thirty days in advance of when the fixed rate expires

439
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<v Speaker 2>and I can either continue with them or move to

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<v Speaker 2>another company. Now, Constellation seems to me to be a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good on the level company. Do they have a

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<v Speaker 2>good reputation that they will follow through and send me

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<v Speaker 2>that thirty day notice. I'm going to make a note

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<v Speaker 2>in my calendar to call them also to me before

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<v Speaker 2>the before my fixed rates run out. But do they

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<v Speaker 2>need to have a law pass to require these companies

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<v Speaker 2>to contact us and say, hey, your rate's running out

448
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<v Speaker 2>in a month from now. You got to either change

449
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<v Speaker 2>it or we're going to put you in a program

450
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<v Speaker 2>whether or not you like it or not.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, they don't companies like Constellation and many other

452
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<v Speaker 7>suppliers proactively go ahead and do things like that because

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<v Speaker 7>it's best practice for consumers and they want to keep

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<v Speaker 7>customers and keep them happy. Constanation has a great reputation.

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<v Speaker 7>I've actually enrolled with them in the past as a

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<v Speaker 7>Pennsylvania shopper in my own state. But you sound like

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<v Speaker 7>a shopper who's informed. You look at your contract summary when.

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<v Speaker 3>You get it.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a really great tip what you just shared about

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<v Speaker 7>setting a calendar notice when it's time for renewals so

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<v Speaker 7>that you remember to go on and shop and look

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<v Speaker 7>at your options. But unfortunately, not all.

463
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<v Speaker 6>Customers do those things, and so we're kind of in.

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<v Speaker 7>A place where those customers who either didn't review the

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<v Speaker 7>terms and a file to complaint or a company who

466
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<v Speaker 7>was a bad actor came into the state and because

467
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<v Speaker 7>there aren't right proper thresholds in place, was able to

468
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<v Speaker 7>take advantage of a customer. And so these are just

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<v Speaker 7>basic consumer protections that a lot of the other states

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<v Speaker 7>that allow for competition would the utility already have in place,

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<v Speaker 7>and it would just bring Massachusus up to be on

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<v Speaker 7>part with other states.

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<v Speaker 2>So we think of ourselves as a very progressive state.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that we're overwhelming a democratic state, democratic governor

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<v Speaker 2>of eighty percent Democratic Democratic legislature both in the House

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<v Speaker 2>and Senate. All they would have to do would be

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<v Speaker 2>pass some legislation which would require these notifications. And what

478
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<v Speaker 2>they're saying is they're going to take this valuable tool

479
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<v Speaker 2>away from us, which means I assume that once you're

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<v Speaker 2>an ever Source customer, or once you're a National Grid customer,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll never be able to opt out for a different supplier.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not done right?

483
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<v Speaker 2>Bottom line?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's right.

485
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<v Speaker 7>So it would close down the market for residential customers.

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<v Speaker 7>If your town has municipal aggregation, you could still shop

487
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<v Speaker 7>with your municipal aggregation. I mean, this stall aggregation is

488
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<v Speaker 7>a great option, but it's just one options.

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<v Speaker 6>So you still want to being able to have a

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<v Speaker 6>few different players.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be in Massachusetts, I tell you. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a handful of towns who have this. The vast majority

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<v Speaker 2>of towns we have three hundred and fifty one cities

494
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<v Speaker 2>and towns they don't have it. Has have the major

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<v Speaker 2>suppliers here in Massachusetts, ever Source, in National Grid and

496
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<v Speaker 2>UNITIL have they weighed in on this. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope they're not trying to see the energy rate option

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<v Speaker 2>or website disappear, even though it might be in their

499
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<v Speaker 2>own interest, if you get my drift.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I have not seen public comment.

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<v Speaker 3>Really.

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<v Speaker 7>The leaders on this has been the Attorney General's office,

503
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<v Speaker 7>City of Boston and several other entities, But I have

504
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<v Speaker 7>not seen a lot from the Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well that's Andrea Campbell, the Attorney General who wants

506
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<v Speaker 2>to take this option away from people, and Boston Mayor

507
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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Woop, two very progressive leaders so called, but are acting,

508
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, in a very regressive way. They want

509
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<v Speaker 2>to take us back to the nineteen nineties when choice

510
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<v Speaker 2>was not available.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. And actually there was an editorial place in the

512
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<v Speaker 7>Commonwealth Beacon last year that was jointly filed by Mayor

513
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<v Speaker 7>Wu and Andrea Campbell, the Attorney General, that said electricity

514
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<v Speaker 7>pricing is just too complicated to lead to individual customers.

515
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<v Speaker 7>They've testified before the committees in the Senate and the

516
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<v Speaker 7>House and said that you'd have to be a lawyer

517
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<v Speaker 7>or have a PhD to be able to figure out

518
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:47.039
<v Speaker 7>how to do this. But you're a first.

519
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:48.960
<v Speaker 6>Hand customer with your unforstnand experience.

520
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<v Speaker 2>How insulting it couldn't be easier if you want to

521
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<v Speaker 2>take the interest. And there may be some customers who

522
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<v Speaker 2>don't take the interest because maybe I don't know, even

523
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.680
<v Speaker 2>if they're renting, they're paying for it in terms of

524
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<v Speaker 2>the cost, they're going to be passed on by the landlords.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It just to me, it's it's like it's like the

527
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<v Speaker 2>opposite world. Here in Massachusetts, a so called progressive state

528
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.799
<v Speaker 2>basically is regressive, and they look down their noses and

529
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 2>they think that we're all stupid and we're not stupid.

530
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<v Speaker 2>We're not stupid, and they're going to learn that. They're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna learn that lesson at some point. Abby. Maybe would

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<v Speaker 2>you come back later on during the week. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that my producer has talked to you about doing this

534
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<v Speaker 2>and and talk to some of my listeners, so maybe

535
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<v Speaker 2>they can share their experiences with you or ask questions

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<v Speaker 2>of you. You know this what happened? I do?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, great, thank you very absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we will we'll talk about this again later

539
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<v Speaker 2>on during the week. Give you a chance to ask

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<v Speaker 2>questions about it. Anything that I can do to help

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<v Speaker 2>you lower your utility cost in Massachusetts. I feel that's

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<v Speaker 2>an obligation that I have, and this is part of

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<v Speaker 2>the obligation. I feel so abby. Foster, thanks for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us tonight. We will talk soon, Okay, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Dan, You're very welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back. We have one more guest schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll try to get to that guest right after this

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<v Speaker 2>break on Nightside, and then we will get into topics

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<v Speaker 2>of the night where you can participate. And I got

550
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 2>a very interesting story that Gayla Cawley broke in the

551
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Boston Herald, I think it was yesterday, which just lit

552
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<v Speaker 2>my hair on fire. I'll explain coming back on Nightside.

553
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<v Speaker 1>Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

554
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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm doing sometimes two or three things simultaneously.

556
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<v Speaker 2>It's like juggling. I don't know what it's like. Actually,

557
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>sometimes here on Nightside, we try to do a lot

558
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<v Speaker 2>of things simultaneously. We have a big production staff with

559
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<v Speaker 2>me here. Rob good luck. I'm sure you'll be able

560
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<v Speaker 2>to find that for me, and I do appreciate you,

561
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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. This effort late, we have one more

562
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>guest and we're got to get to the guest right now.

563
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<v Speaker 2>Let's get right to the guest who is coming up here,

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<v Speaker 2>and the guest is Meredith Elliott Powell. She's going to

565
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<v Speaker 2>talk to us about something called catfishing, and we're not

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<v Speaker 2>talking about looking fishing for catfish. Meredith, welcome to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 5>How are you well, I'm good, Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Well, the phrase catfishing, I've heard it used many times,

569
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<v Speaker 2>but we're talking about a specific type of catfishing. And

570
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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's the old concept of bait and switch

571
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 2>and that's where the catfishing phrase comes from. And most workers,

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<v Speaker 2>according to one article that I have in front of me,

573
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.519
<v Speaker 2>say that they have been catfished into taking a job.

574
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<v Speaker 2>Seventy nine told Monster that their job didn't live up

575
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<v Speaker 2>to the scripture provided by a recruiter or a hiring manager.

576
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<v Speaker 2>Is that in their heads or is that in reality?

577
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<v Speaker 2>Or probably doesn't make a difference.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. I think I think it probably is

579
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<v Speaker 5>maybe a little bit of both. But I think that,

580
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<v Speaker 5>you know, I think it's so interesting today. I mean,

581
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<v Speaker 5>with the pace of change happening at such a such

582
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<v Speaker 5>a rapid a stings changing, I think often you're going

583
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<v Speaker 5>to get hired for a job, and maybe what you

584
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:29.599
<v Speaker 5>need to be doing six months from now won't be

585
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<v Speaker 5>exactly what you were hired to do. So well, I

586
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.960
<v Speaker 5>think there's some validity to it. I do think also

587
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<v Speaker 5>businesses are needing to respond to the fact that so

588
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<v Speaker 5>much in the marketplace is changing. They need workers who

589
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:47.000
<v Speaker 5>are willing to adapt and take on new responsibilities, new skills,

590
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<v Speaker 5>and new roles.

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume most new workers have been They have

592
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<v Speaker 2>lived with computers since they were born. I got to

593
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<v Speaker 2>tell you, when I first started in my career many

594
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<v Speaker 2>many decades ago, computers you know, you heard about like

595
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<v Speaker 2>an IBM, you know computer, but you knew that that

596
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<v Speaker 2>was never going to impact you, and along terme, computers

597
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<v Speaker 2>and those of us in media, we have to know

598
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<v Speaker 2>how to work with computers. We're not the most skilled

599
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 2>people in the world. I mean, why is it that

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<v Speaker 2>young workers seem to be having a problem here. I

601
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<v Speaker 2>would assume what this figure is unbelievable is well seventy percent.

602
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<v Speaker 2>I feel that that eighty percent. What are they? What

603
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<v Speaker 2>are the jobs? Can you explain it to me? It

604
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<v Speaker 2>boggles my mind. I just don't understand it. I mean,

605
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<v Speaker 2>I can understand some people take a job and they

606
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<v Speaker 2>don't like it, and they leave, but eighty percent don't

607
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<v Speaker 2>do enough due diligence on the job to figure out

608
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<v Speaker 2>what they need to do well.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's I do think that do you think

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<v Speaker 5>that number is I was a little astonished by it

611
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<v Speaker 5>as well, But I think maybe our expectation are are

612
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<v Speaker 5>too high. I think maybe you know, uh, with the

613
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<v Speaker 5>younger with the younger generation, I hate to be the

614
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<v Speaker 5>one calling them that. By the younger generation, is that

615
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<v Speaker 5>you expect a job to you know, it's kind of

616
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<v Speaker 5>like a honeymoon versus getting married. You get excited that

617
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<v Speaker 5>you get the job, and then reality sets in and

618
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<v Speaker 5>some days are great at a job and some days,

619
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<v Speaker 5>you know, are are are less challenging, and if you

620
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<v Speaker 5>want to get ahead, you're going to need to take

621
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<v Speaker 5>on some duties that maybe maybe aren't what you need

622
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<v Speaker 5>to be doing, or maybe you don't feel match the

623
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<v Speaker 5>education you know level that that you came you know

624
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<v Speaker 5>that you went into the workforce with. So I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's a I really think that figure is high because

626
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<v Speaker 5>I think it's a mismatch of expectations. I think you

627
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<v Speaker 5>graduate from school and you believe that you're going to

628
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<v Speaker 5>move into a really high level position and you get

629
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<v Speaker 5>in there and and some other things are expected of you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm going to sound like a really old

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<v Speaker 2>fogy here, but I don't anymore because I am an

632
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<v Speaker 2>old Okay. I imagine that the people who were blacksmith's

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<v Speaker 2>and used to shoe horses, when the automobile came along

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<v Speaker 2>around twenty ten, that probably kind of changed their world

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. And I suspect that most of those people

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<v Speaker 2>figured it out and developed new skills or different skills.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I think about the eighteen year olds who

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<v Speaker 2>were storming Normandy Beach in nineteen forty four, I just

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<v Speaker 2>think to myself, I don't know how much you know moaning.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a word that goes with moaning, which I

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<v Speaker 2>won't say in the radio they were doing. They knew

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<v Speaker 2>they had a pretty nasty day coming up that day

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<v Speaker 2>and they had to deal with and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them were killed, obviously and mowed down. I look at

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<v Speaker 2>the kids who are coming out today, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to sound like an old fogy, But does

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<v Speaker 2>this generation of a problem? I mean, did they need

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<v Speaker 2>comfort pillows and comfort animals at work?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they missing something that they need Mommy to be there?

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<v Speaker 2>With them and hold their hand. I'm really serious.

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<v Speaker 5>When I say that now the only thing that they

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<v Speaker 5>are missing are hard times. And you know you were right.

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<v Speaker 5>Now as we're doing this interview, we're watching the employment

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<v Speaker 5>picture change and it's going to be it's becoming harder

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<v Speaker 5>to find a job. We're seeing more layoffs, We're seeing,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, changes in the guaranteed government job. And as

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<v Speaker 5>the times get hard, the younger generation will toughen up

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<v Speaker 5>with them. When you are soft, you're soft because it's

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<v Speaker 5>a luxury, because the opportunity is there, and once the

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<v Speaker 5>shift comes in the marketplace, you'll see that change as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. You're an optimist, and I absolutely hope you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think that our future depends on us, on

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<v Speaker 2>the folks who are coming into the workforce. And I

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<v Speaker 2>say this seriously realistically. You're a social security check. My

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<v Speaker 2>so security check depends upon people coming in and performing effectively.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fascinated by the stories that I talked to every

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<v Speaker 2>night of the week. You included and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you're optimistic helps. It heartens heartens me for sure. I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people, very few are lucky

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<v Speaker 2>enough to get a job at twenty two or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the kids who are being successful today are

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<v Speaker 2>not the college graduates. Maybe they were most successful in

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<v Speaker 2>the long run the kids who are coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>school with a trade at eighteen or nineteen and plumbers

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<v Speaker 2>or electricians or apprentices or hvs C, HVAC people. Those guys,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not carrying two hundred guys and gals are not

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<v Speaker 2>carrying two hundred and three hundred thousand dollars of college loans,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have businesses under their feet by time they're

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, bear the boss by time they're twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I think we've maybe oversold college, the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that everyone has to go to college.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and I think that's a big trend that you're

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<v Speaker 5>starting to see change right now as well. It was

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<v Speaker 5>just a reason that I'm optimistic. I mean, when the

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<v Speaker 5>when the marketplace shifts, people shift, people shift with it.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, I've seen quite a few people get

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<v Speaker 5>you know, starting to get laid off from from companies.

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<v Speaker 5>We've had a lot of layoffs with the government. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>competition is going to happen for jobs. And when competition

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<v Speaker 5>happens for jobs, people get tough and they're willing to

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<v Speaker 5>take a job that maybe they weren't willing to take,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, three years ago. So the market will definitely

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<v Speaker 5>shift our community. Colleges are coming on gangbusters with starting

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<v Speaker 5>to train kids for trade schools again, and a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of kids, this next generation is opting out of college.

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<v Speaker 5>How many colleges are in trouble around the country because

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<v Speaker 5>the trade schools are starting to go back in. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think I hate you.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate you to issue, but I've gone I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>interested in what we're talking about. I've gone over a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit here, so I got to let you run.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'd love to have you back at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>We will look forward to it. Thank you, Meredith Elliott Powell.

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<v Speaker 2>Turn uncertainty into opportunity. Thank you very much. Meredith. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk again. Thank you. So here comes the nine o'clock News, Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize for that. That was my fault, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>a subject that is very important. Back right after the

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock news all night.

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<v Speaker 4>So