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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder

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<v Speaker 1>and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird

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<v Speaker 1>that people are going to have to talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Kadrick Olson.

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<v Speaker 1>at gmail dot com. Today, I want to welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the show Kadrick Olson. He is an internationally renowned author, speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>and teacher who specializes in divergent paths of spiritual growth. Kdrick,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. How you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great, Thanks for having me back. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing excellent. It's great to have you back. Today.

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<v Speaker 1>You wanted to discuss the active suppression of spirituality and

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual abilities within humans, which keeps us locked into a

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<v Speaker 1>limited material existence. It seems to be the opposite of

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<v Speaker 1>what we're supposed to be doing here. Even within the

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<v Speaker 1>framework of religion and many theological belief systems, mechanisms of

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<v Speaker 1>control have been integrated for the benefit of the few

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<v Speaker 1>within the ruling class. But now we've entered a new

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<v Speaker 1>era of awareness about the nature of our systems, the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of reality, and people are looking for answers. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of information right now, but there's also a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of bad information, so it gets difficult to sift

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<v Speaker 1>through everything. And I'm looking forward to getting your insights

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<v Speaker 1>into this. Before we do, remind the audience a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about yourself and let them know how they can

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<v Speaker 1>find more.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, the best way to find me is my name

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<v Speaker 2>K Trick k AE D R I C H. Go

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<v Speaker 2>to Ktrick dot com, go to Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Google,

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<v Speaker 2>type in my name. I like to say that my

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<v Speaker 2>name is a key that opens many doors, so give

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<v Speaker 2>it a shot. But a bit about me and this

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal stuff. I can literally say I was born into

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<v Speaker 2>the paranormal. My mom's obstetrician held regular seances in his

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<v Speaker 2>home and he wrote a book about his paranormal experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was a regular lecturer at the Spiritualist church

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<v Speaker 2>that was my church that I grew up in, And

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<v Speaker 2>a Spiritualist church is like your typical Protestant church, but

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<v Speaker 2>services ended with one to three trans channelers coming up

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<v Speaker 2>on the stage and doing channeling Saturday nights. There were

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<v Speaker 2>seances in the church basement that we attended, and my

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<v Speaker 2>mom got me going in psychic development classes at an

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<v Speaker 2>early age, so this is something that's been a part

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<v Speaker 2>of Plus, I grew up in a house that was

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<v Speaker 2>very haunted. There was paranormal activity on a daily basis,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had my bedroom down in the basement all

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<v Speaker 2>by myself, which opened up all sorts of interesting little

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<v Speaker 2>fear bits because I would say that was my first

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<v Speaker 2>exposure to how our spirituality can really get repressed and

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<v Speaker 2>pushed down. Because even as a kid, I loved watching

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<v Speaker 2>horror movies. You know, it was just kind of a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh how I am even to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying here, man, I was the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>And knowing I lived in a haunted house, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you could see TV dials change, you'd hear footsteps. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew there were spirits in the house. And even though

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the spiritualist church and I had very

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<v Speaker 2>positive experiences with the paranormal, and I mean that they

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<v Speaker 2>were all very positive. I was having a hard time

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<v Speaker 2>as a child rectifying what I would see in the movies,

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<v Speaker 2>the ghost toys that you'd hear at school, the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that would be on TV that were all scary paranormal stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you'd hear the religious people saying, no, these

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<v Speaker 2>are demons and these are evil spirits trying to attack you.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it scared the hell out of me being

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<v Speaker 2>a kid trying to rectify what I'm being told and

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<v Speaker 2>then experiencing the complete opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give us some examples of what you were experiencing.

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<v Speaker 1>You said they were mostly positive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, even for example, just going to sleep

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<v Speaker 2>at night was kind of challenging because I was sensitive.

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<v Speaker 2>I was aware. I could feel spiritual activity going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and being in the dark basement by myself, I could

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<v Speaker 2>feel there were spirits in the room, and I really

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to figure out, like, are they here attacking me?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I going to get possessed? What's going on here?

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<v Speaker 2>And I learned that if I turned on the TV

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<v Speaker 2>and had a TV real close to the bed. There

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<v Speaker 2>was something about that TV, like maybe electromagnetic interference that

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<v Speaker 2>set up something around that they would leave me alone

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<v Speaker 2>at night, And over time I developed the relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>what I call the whispers. You know, spirit guys are

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<v Speaker 2>like a group of advanced beings that would teach me

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<v Speaker 2>things and working with this fear and trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how to get a good night's sleep, they came

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<v Speaker 2>in and taught me about changing energy states, clearing energy out,

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<v Speaker 2>setting boundaries so that things won't mess with you at night.

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<v Speaker 2>And I started to implement those uncertain because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what am I getting this information from? So I started

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<v Speaker 2>implementing what they were teaching me, and then sure enough

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<v Speaker 2>I could go to bed without the TV on at night.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's something that even helps when I travel, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I notice if I go to a hotel room, the

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<v Speaker 2>first night is always a disturbed night of sleep. But

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm like, oh, yeah, set your boundary, set the energies,

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<v Speaker 2>and then after that, no matter how long I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel, it's so much easier. So that's an example

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<v Speaker 2>of how that fear turned into something positive because it

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<v Speaker 2>helped me understand what was going on, how to work

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<v Speaker 2>with it, how to deal with it because of spirit communication.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say, throughout all of your experiences up until

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<v Speaker 1>now you had primarily positive experiences or did you have

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<v Speaker 1>negative experience as well?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say the vast, overwhelming majority has been neutral

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<v Speaker 2>to positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, one of the things that's interesting about human

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<v Speaker 2>beings on this planet is we get so worried about

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<v Speaker 2>what other people think about us, the way we're looking,

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<v Speaker 2>the way we're acting, the way we could be perceived.

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<v Speaker 2>But in reality, if you're walking down the street, you

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<v Speaker 2>go into a busy place, a vast majority of the

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<v Speaker 2>people out there just don't even notice. They don't even care,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we're psyching ourselves up and getting ourselves all

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<v Speaker 2>riled up over nothing. Well, the same is true with

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual world. There's just spirits everywhere, energy is everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and a vast majority of them just don't care. So

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<v Speaker 2>majority of paranormal experiences are completely neutral, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that are direct and intentional have been really positive.

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<v Speaker 2>When I really think about it, I think I've only

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<v Speaker 2>had two negative experiences that were directly associated with me.

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<v Speaker 2>But working with and students over the decades. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>been some pretty heinous situations, but they're not what people

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<v Speaker 2>were told they were. You know, we're always told that

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<v Speaker 2>every ghost is a demon, that is something bad's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in your house and you're under demonic attack. And I

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<v Speaker 2>found that's absolutely not true. That our misperception of what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on actually creates more fear, and that fear actually

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<v Speaker 2>creates the problems that people are experiencing. So when I've

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<v Speaker 2>encountered those negative situations, it's less about what to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the home and less what to do with the spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>There is some of that, but it's more to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the people living there shifting their understanding and helping

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<v Speaker 2>them to really develop the skills to coexist with what's

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<v Speaker 2>in the house. And then I've seen all the paranormal activity,

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<v Speaker 2>all the unwanted stuff, completely end because of that shift

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<v Speaker 2>and understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into what you wanted to discuss tonight about

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<v Speaker 1>the suppression of spirituality. Looking back at what we have

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<v Speaker 1>as far as documentation about our spiritual past and ancient history,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems there have been ups and downs throughout history

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the suppression of spirituality, the understanding that

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<v Speaker 1>people had of spiritual principles. We definitely seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>in a downside during this period of time as far

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<v Speaker 1>as our modern interaction and understanding of spirituality. When do

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<v Speaker 1>you think this started to get suppressed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the real suppression started probably a medieval period.

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<v Speaker 2>In my studies of ancient cultures, ancient traditions all around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, every culture, and I mean every culture had

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<v Speaker 2>had theories, had an understanding, and had practices for dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with the spirits, working with the spirits, existing with the

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<v Speaker 2>spirits in a very very positive way. And yeah, there

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<v Speaker 2>was some trepidation because people are people, even if they're

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<v Speaker 2>in spirit form rather than physical forms of jerk could

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<v Speaker 2>still be a jerk in the spirit and so they

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<v Speaker 2>had ways of dealing with problem spirits and that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. And most of the people that had the skills,

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<v Speaker 2>the training, and it was their job to work on

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual level, they were generally revered, they held an

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<v Speaker 2>honorable position in their cultures. Sometimes there was some unnerved

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<v Speaker 2>feelings about that. You know, people who didn't understand this

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<v Speaker 2>unseen world and understand the connection and what we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>timelessly is somebody who may be skilled in magical arts.

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<v Speaker 2>They are revered, their services are needed, but there's somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't trust it and then spins it out of

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<v Speaker 2>control and sort of vilifies them. That's been common for

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<v Speaker 2>human nature. But prior to the medieval period, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like people all over the world had this positive interaction

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<v Speaker 2>with land spirits, ancestral spirits, last spirits, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a regular thing. But then something happened in the spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>traditions where anything outside of Orthodoxy was demonized, anything that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't part of the church was shut down. And I

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<v Speaker 2>do think this is just my theory. I do think

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of that is those people who are

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<v Speaker 2>spiritually aware interacting with the spirit world could tap into

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<v Speaker 2>something bigger than they were, had a deeper understanding of

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<v Speaker 2>the nature of reality, human consciousness, spiritual existence. And that

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<v Speaker 2>church came in and said, no, we are the only authority.

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<v Speaker 2>If it doesn't exist within these walls, and if it

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<v Speaker 2>isn't done by our authorities, it's evil, and they started

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<v Speaker 2>a massive campaign. You know, you've heard about the witch trials,

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<v Speaker 2>you've heard about the Inquisition, all of these sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a very massive, concerted effort to shut down

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of spiritual tradition outside of the church. And

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<v Speaker 2>as we start getting into the seventeen hundreds eighteen high

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<v Speaker 2>und it's when the invention of the scientific method, people

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<v Speaker 2>became a bit more rational. They started to learn to

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<v Speaker 2>question Christianity. They started to look at the world and

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<v Speaker 2>start really evaluating. That started a second movement, because the

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<v Speaker 2>unseen world of the spiritual world is not quantifiable. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really exist in a clinical setting where you can have

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<v Speaker 2>a test group and a control group and figure these

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<v Speaker 2>things out. It doesn't fit into these nice, easy, concrete packages,

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<v Speaker 2>which gave that ability to discount and say, nope, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not real, it's nothing happening. And as we start progressing

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<v Speaker 2>into the more modern times, there was a nice resurgence

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<v Speaker 2>with the spiritualist movement. People were getting into spirit communication.

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<v Speaker 2>The Luigi board came in, the fashion table tipping started happening.

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<v Speaker 2>People were doing automatic writing. It became a thing. People

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<v Speaker 2>were doing this. It was fun. People were having great experience.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the pr started. No, this is really demonic activity,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really evil stuff. And the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>people who are believing in spirits, people who are believing

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<v Speaker 2>in connection to the unseen. Well, they're mentally unstable and

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<v Speaker 2>they need to be institutionalized and put on drugs. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a mental illness, and as we continue to progress,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we get into TV shows, movies, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't blame them. A real paranormal experience is going to

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<v Speaker 2>make for a terrible movie because it's so subtle, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so common. People really may not realize just how common

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal experiences are, but they'll take one of those outlier

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<v Speaker 2>cases and then spin it into something huge and outrageous

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<v Speaker 2>and make a movie out of it. And then, of

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<v Speaker 2>course that reinforces that fear pattern that any spirit, any

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal activity, it's demonic, it's evil. You've got to cast

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<v Speaker 2>it out. And that just further shut down people's ability

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<v Speaker 2>to connect with the spirit, just made them locked in

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<v Speaker 2>to the physical world where they can't access the wholeness

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<v Speaker 2>of what reality is. And so it's been a progression

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<v Speaker 2>i'd say since the Middle Ages, and it's gone through

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<v Speaker 1>There seems to have been this spiritual communication and interaction

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<v Speaker 1>with the metaphysical world that was hidden away and reserved

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<v Speaker 1>for the most wealthy and powerful at the Times and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else was to stay away from it because it

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<v Speaker 1>was deemed evil. But at the same time, the most

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy and powerful, most likely we're still utilizing some of

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<v Speaker 1>those practices, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Absolutely. I came across a post a few months

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<v Speaker 2>ago a little meme and it makes absolute sense. Millionaires,

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<v Speaker 2>higher accountants, billionaires, higher astrologers. And I've seen that in

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<v Speaker 2>client work. You know, some of the people that have

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<v Speaker 2>a more higher income, they're more wealthy, they seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have this more of a deeper connection, not necessarily deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>but they do seem to have a connection and interest

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<v Speaker 2>and a curiosity to explore it, to further themselves and

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<v Speaker 2>to boost that. But that is spreading out more. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a big shift in consciousness and awareness that more and

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<v Speaker 2>more people are aware of that that you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to have the big income. You don't have to have

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<v Speaker 2>all of these financial resources at your disposal. All you

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<v Speaker 2>need is you in existence. And I think the more

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<v Speaker 2>we are doing this work, the work that you're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're getting this message out of the out

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<v Speaker 2>to the world, the more we're realizing it's not something

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<v Speaker 2>that needs to rely in the hands of the few,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's actually something accessible to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's try and get an understanding of these spiritual realms.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we have a lot of different ideas

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<v Speaker 1>of what people are interacting with, what the astral planes

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<v Speaker 1>or metaphysical realms are, and what it means to us

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<v Speaker 1>as humans. There seems to be a reflective realm of

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<v Speaker 1>the material in the spiritual. Would you say that's accurate

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<v Speaker 1>that what we're experiencing here has reflection in the spiritual realms?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I like to tell people that energy. We got

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<v Speaker 2>to find a better word than energy. It's just too

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<v Speaker 2>commonly used for too many things. But I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to use it for now. Energy, like spiritual energy is

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<v Speaker 2>information and it's emotion. They're all the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll also tell people that we are not spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>beings having a physical existence. We are spiritual and physical beings.

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<v Speaker 2>We're both having a dynamic experience. And it's just what

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<v Speaker 2>you said. What we do in the physical will reflect

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<v Speaker 2>in the spiritual and what we connect with and what

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<v Speaker 2>we're in interacting with, whether we're aware of it or

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<v Speaker 2>not in the spiritual realm, will affect us in the

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<v Speaker 2>physical and where we can see that is there's these

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<v Speaker 2>notions today of densities, like the physical realm could be

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<v Speaker 2>third density, our four dimensional existence three of space one

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<v Speaker 2>a time, our four dimensional existence in space time is

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<v Speaker 2>third density, whereas what we would call the afterlife, this

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual world, that higher realm, might be fifth density. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a layer in between that is kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a sandbox. It's where we don't realize that most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time, but we are creating things in this fourth

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<v Speaker 2>density sandbox all the time. We're making thought forms, servitors, eggrigors,

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<v Speaker 2>We're creating these energy wells that exist in this fourth

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<v Speaker 2>density that is so very close to the physical density

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<v Speaker 2>that they interact all the time. This is why normal investigators,

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<v Speaker 2>ghost hunters, their devices will go off while you'll hear

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<v Speaker 2>knocking on the walls where spirits can move things. They

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<v Speaker 2>can sort of condense that fourth density energy to affect

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<v Speaker 2>those things. But it is also what causes a direct

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<v Speaker 2>interaction with the physical body. This is where I like

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<v Speaker 2>to refer to the work of hammer Off and Penrose,

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<v Speaker 2>whether orc or theory, where they were basically finding a

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<v Speaker 2>scientific explanation of how the soul interacts with the body

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<v Speaker 2>through all of the nerves, all the nerve endings in

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<v Speaker 2>our body, and that's where the fourth density energy connects

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<v Speaker 2>with the physical body. And that's why whenever we do

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<v Speaker 2>something in the physical world, any thought, any belief, repeated

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<v Speaker 2>behavior patterns will create an energy output that shows up

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<v Speaker 2>in the fourth density, and that can create what I

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<v Speaker 2>call shadow beings. It's an expression of your own shadow

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<v Speaker 2>energy can create thought forms all of these other kind

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<v Speaker 2>of entities or little wells of energy that just sit

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<v Speaker 2>there that are attuned to those specific thoughts, beliefs, emotions,

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<v Speaker 2>those kind of things, and they reinforce that within ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>and then it could be physically damaging or physically improving.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're absolutely right. There is cause to understand that

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<v Speaker 2>there is a dynamic relationship between the physical and the spiritual,

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<v Speaker 2>because there is.

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<v Speaker 1>When we look at the times when humanity leans more

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<v Speaker 1>into the material and rejects spiritual principles. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>this is rooted in human desire for the material or

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of spiritual parasite that feeds on our negativity.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we sink more into the material realm, we

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be more negative, We tend to have toxic behaviors.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm wondering is this just because we are so

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<v Speaker 1>reliant on the material we want to have that pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>so much we're just choosing it, or is there some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of influence behind it of a spiritual nature.

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<v Speaker 2>My answer is actually both. Okay, So let's ex take

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<v Speaker 2>the Industrial Revolution for example. You know, people working ten

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<v Speaker 2>twelve hour more days in these factories under what we

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<v Speaker 2>would consider inhumane conditions today, and it was just very

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<v Speaker 2>spartan conditions, very spartan leadership styles. Just work, work, work,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all you're supposed to do. Children were brought in

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<v Speaker 2>basically child labor to crawl through the machines and fix things,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was driven by those industry leaders that really

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to maximize the profitability out of their workers. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they just wanted to see how much they could make

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<v Speaker 2>in getting these people to work, work, work, work, work. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that sets up two potential layers of spiritual interaction. The

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<v Speaker 2>misery and the suffering that the workers have to go through,

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<v Speaker 2>their belief that life is terrible. I'm supposed to be suffering,

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<v Speaker 2>this is horrible. That will create that energetic environment that

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<v Speaker 2>continues to support those feelings, and that could create thought

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<v Speaker 2>forms and definitely will create eggregors, which is like a

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<v Speaker 2>collectively created entity that is fed off of our beliefs.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the workers collective beliefs that things are supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be miserable and suffering. It exists out there, and

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<v Speaker 2>the more they acknowledge how much their life sucks and

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<v Speaker 2>how it's terrible, the more they're feeding this thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>if they find those glimmers of hope, that they find

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<v Speaker 2>that glimmer that path out of there, this eggregor, these

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<v Speaker 2>fourth density entities will come back and say, now life

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<v Speaker 2>just sucks. You're supposed to just work, and they'll end up,

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately self sabotaging themselves, and then they're back in the

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<v Speaker 2>predicament that they're in. The other side is from the

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<v Speaker 2>industry leaders, those who are motivated by the profit at

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<v Speaker 2>the expense of anybody. They will push, push, push, and

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<v Speaker 2>they will in their corporations, in their organizations create a

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<v Speaker 2>like a toulpa that oversees the operations of that and

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<v Speaker 2>it will do anything it can to increase the profitability

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<v Speaker 2>of that company, because it's life force is driven by

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<v Speaker 2>that profitability and the expansion and the growth of that company,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't care about the working conditions of the people,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you've got this grow eggregor of the workers,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the toolpa of the industry that are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sort of conspiring against each other. But here's where

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<v Speaker 2>we have to be very careful. Those things are not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily independent, sovereign, interdimensional beings that have come here bent

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<v Speaker 2>on the intention of making suffering happen. They are human

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<v Speaker 2>created entities created by the suffering and the exploitation, and

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<v Speaker 2>they sustain their existence by promoting the continuation of suffering

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<v Speaker 2>and exploitation. And then when something comes in to interrupt

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<v Speaker 2>that process, you know, like workers' rights, the eight hour workday,

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<v Speaker 2>five days a week, unionizing, of course, those things are

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<v Speaker 2>going to get upset because it diminishes the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>suffering that they're going to feed off of. But when

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<v Speaker 2>we can empower ourselves to overcome those conditions, and we

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<v Speaker 2>work at the physical level to overcome those conditions and

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<v Speaker 2>improve our conditions in life, we start starving off these entities,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they lose interest in us. And so it

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<v Speaker 2>is a dynamic process on these levels.

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<v Speaker 1>As a society, many of us, especially the ones in

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<v Speaker 1>the conspiratorial realms, those that are waking up to everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Many people do like to blame the ruling class for

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<v Speaker 1>the collective problems that we have, and they actually have

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<v Speaker 1>a huge part in this because it's a combination of

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<v Speaker 1>that psychopathy at higher levels and these aggrigors that perpetuate

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<v Speaker 1>the continuation of this behavior. It seems to be a

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<v Speaker 1>NonStop cycle of this intelligence interacting with human greed and

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<v Speaker 1>toxicity that keeps people in the same place essentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and that was the key word psychopathy. There's this

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<v Speaker 2>old saying that's been going around that power corrupts and

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<v Speaker 2>absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. I disagree. I think the corrupt

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<v Speaker 2>seek power and the absolutely corrupt seek absolute power. And

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<v Speaker 2>when we realize that psychopathy is really some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a neurological imbalance, that it is a mental illness where

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<v Speaker 2>they do not have empathy for anybody else. They just

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<v Speaker 2>want what they want, you know, very narcissistic behavior, Bachabelian

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. They will go out and do whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it needs to be done to get what they want,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't care what people are encountering. And that

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<v Speaker 2>creates that fourth density dynamic that back and forth. And unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>these people are very charismatic, but they're very power hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't care who they step on to get where

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<v Speaker 2>they are, so they get where they are, while the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of humanity is kind of like live and let live,

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<v Speaker 2>just be and let other people be. And then they

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<v Speaker 2>find themselves sort of under the thumb of that psychopath

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<v Speaker 2>power that is creating all of this for them, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's difficult to get out. But today that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the big advantages today is with the Internet, with all

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<v Speaker 2>of the information being made available everywhere. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>people are screaming, you know, don't end privacy, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can understand that, but that removal of privacy in a

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<v Speaker 2>way has opened up the travesties that have been happening,

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<v Speaker 2>has opened up just the extent of that psychopathic outreach,

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<v Speaker 2>and people are learning how to push back against it,

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<v Speaker 2>how to empower themselves. So those old Arkans, those old

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<v Speaker 2>too and eggrigors of those old ages, they're literally dying off,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're they're struggling to Sometimes they'll push back harder,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll get their agents going at the higher levels of

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<v Speaker 2>industry and such to try to restir their influence over

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<v Speaker 2>the populace. But I have to say the mass populace

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<v Speaker 2>is actually winning in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we talked about this a bit last time

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<v Speaker 1>you were on, but would you say that most of

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<v Speaker 1>the negative entities, influences, even demons that most people refer to,

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<v Speaker 1>are man created aggrigors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I will. I will say a vast The only

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<v Speaker 2>ones I've encountered have in human created, and it's by

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<v Speaker 2>altering our own inner beliefs, in our own inner world

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<v Speaker 2>is what fends them off and keeps them away. And

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<v Speaker 2>I am open to the possibility of potentially naturally existing ones.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna come back to that in a second, because

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I have seen people having paranormal problems, paranormal challenges,

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<v Speaker 2>and real difficulties from land spirits. They're just nature based spirits.

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<v Speaker 2>They live in the rocks, the trees, the landscapes, and

431
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<v Speaker 2>they have the full range of emotions and understanding that

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<v Speaker 2>humans do. And if we were to go in and

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<v Speaker 2>mess with their home and their environment, they will seek retribution.

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<v Speaker 2>And so some of the clients I've had over the

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<v Speaker 2>years that have had paranormal problems have been because they've

436
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<v Speaker 2>disturbed the land spirits. But that's easy to rectify. You

437
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<v Speaker 2>just kind of do a mia culpa. You fix things,

438
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<v Speaker 2>put things back into order, and then I teach them

439
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<v Speaker 2>how to peacefully coexist with their land spirit neighbors. The

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<v Speaker 2>problems stop. But the idea of something naturally existing, here's

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm doubtful. We've heard many different traditions have sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a love reciprocity. You know, the Wickens have the

443
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<v Speaker 2>threefold law. Whatever you do comes back to your threefold.

444
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<v Speaker 2>The Hindu in the Vetteric traditions have the karmic laws.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've heard about the things that you put out

446
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<v Speaker 2>there will eventually come back to you. And it seems

447
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<v Speaker 2>that the universe in itself that we exist in is

448
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<v Speaker 2>built to create, expand and sustain, latch create, sustain and

449
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<v Speaker 2>expand you know, everything from stars and solar systems to

450
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<v Speaker 2>life on this planet. Life on this planet is all

451
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<v Speaker 2>about creating more life, sustaining that life, expanding that life.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems to be the baseline state of being for

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<v Speaker 2>our reality, and anything that is counter to that is

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<v Speaker 2>like a distortion. And that's where we will see that

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<v Speaker 2>law of reciprocity come back to us. If we're in

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<v Speaker 2>alignment with that creation, sustaining, expanding, then we keep getting

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<v Speaker 2>more of that. But if we're in distortion to that.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to destroy, we want to make people suffer,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to bring the you know, the end of things.

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<v Speaker 2>That comes back to us too. So now, as a

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<v Speaker 2>thought experiment, imagine an absolute being evil came into existence

462
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<v Speaker 2>that was just nothing, bent on destruction, killing, just the

463
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<v Speaker 2>end of all things. That law of reciprocity would come

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<v Speaker 2>back onto it and eliminate its existence the moment it

465
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<v Speaker 2>came into being. So to me and my understanding, in

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<v Speaker 2>that way, it's not possible for there to be anything evil.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not possible for there to be a devil or

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<v Speaker 2>a satan or anything like that, because it just couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>exist in the way the universe is built.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think extraterrestrials may be aggrigors or is this

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<v Speaker 1>something completely different, a different type of life form.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good question, and I'm waiting for the

473
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<v Speaker 2>day that a craft lands in front of me and

474
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<v Speaker 2>I get a definitive answer. But I've had interactions, I've

475
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<v Speaker 2>had connections, I've seen UFOs in the sky. I know

476
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<v Speaker 2>there's something to it. It is possible some of these

477
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<v Speaker 2>are of eggrador quality. It's also possible some of them

478
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<v Speaker 2>are interdimensional future travelers, people from another star. I don't know.

479
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm keeping my box open. Pope Bob wants it's something

480
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>really profound in the way of belief. He said something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Pope Bob is Robert Anton Wilson, and he

482
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<v Speaker 2>said something. And somebody asked him, do you believe in

483
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<v Speaker 2>book Foot Bigfoot? Do you believe Bigfoot exists? And he's like,

484
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<v Speaker 2>why does it have to be a hard yes or

485
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<v Speaker 2>a hard no. Can't I have like a spectrum of

486
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>belief that I could believe it's possible, but I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe I'm seventy to eighty percent. And that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the way I look at the extraterrestrial thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's something there, but my understanding if they're physical

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<v Speaker 2>from another physical world, interdimensional whatnot, I don't know. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not full one hundred percent. Yes they are are

492
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<v Speaker 2>extraterrestrial physical beings. They could be, But what if it's

493
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<v Speaker 2>a mix of the two. My answer is ultimately with

494
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<v Speaker 2>the long way of saying, not sure yet.

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<v Speaker 1>With everything that we experience in this realm, whether it's politics, economics,

496
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<v Speaker 1>our spiritual beliefs, there seems to be a pendulum swing

497
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<v Speaker 1>that catches up with us every few years, and at

498
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<v Speaker 1>times it seems to swing a bit too far in

499
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<v Speaker 1>either direction and can cause some problems in society. We

500
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<v Speaker 1>may have swung a bit far in the material direction,

501
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<v Speaker 1>but there does seem to be a correction that it's

502
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<v Speaker 1>on its way. Do you think that we are in

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<v Speaker 1>the midst of another upswing to the spiritual side, We

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<v Speaker 1>indeed are.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give a couple of examples of how this works,

506
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<v Speaker 2>working with clients over the years and even my own self.

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<v Speaker 2>People who are spiritually connected and still physical beings, they

508
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 2>will have a period of time where they're really connected,

509
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<v Speaker 2>They're getting clear messages coming through. It's very apparent to

510
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<v Speaker 2>them that they've got the spiritual connection, and then all

511
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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, they seem to lose that connection. They

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<v Speaker 2>just don't have that. And when I work with them,

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00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I start to understand there's something in the physical world

514
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>that's risen up and more challenging. You know, it could

515
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>be physical health, financial responsibilities, something going on with a

516
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 2>family or job. And what happens is when the physical

517
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.279
<v Speaker 2>world needs more of our at tension and resources, it

518
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 2>feels like we're cut off from the spiritual but we're

519
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<v Speaker 2>not it's just our attention and our focus is more

520
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>on the physical world. And then once we get the

521
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>physical world stuff established and calm back down, we can

522
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.359
<v Speaker 2>start giving more of our attention back to the spiritual.

523
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<v Speaker 2>Then we start feeling more connected and more in that way,

524
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<v Speaker 2>and that can happen at the collective level. Like we

525
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 2>hit the Industrial Revolution hard, you know, nineteen eighties, seventies,

526
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, people were pushing that hard, and we see

527
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>those little swings in there. But as we're moving into

528
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 2>the era that we are today, there is still people

529
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>who will pathologize or demonize paranormal interactions, but there's a

530
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<v Speaker 2>vast majority of people that are leaving that orthodoxy behind.

531
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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's also creating some of the panic

532
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>because if you look at the statistics, the people who

533
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:27.240
<v Speaker 2>are declaring themselves whether religious affiliation is none is vastly growing,

534
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:31.240
<v Speaker 2>and all of the spiritual groups are declining. So that's

535
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<v Speaker 2>sending some of that Oh God, we got to fix this,

536
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>We got to get people back in the church. But

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<v Speaker 2>I also think that those people waking up people becoming

538
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 2>more aware, and that is part of the evolution of society.

539
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.599
<v Speaker 2>When we look at history, any sort of historical time period,

540
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.359
<v Speaker 2>like even the founding fathers of the US, and we

541
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.279
<v Speaker 2>look upon them favorably in history because the declaration of independence,

542
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>winning the revolutionary or great we can look upon their

543
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.000
<v Speaker 2>favorable actions that they did. But if we were to

544
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>look at their lifestyle and the people that they were,

545
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>the things that they did, by our standards that we

546
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.759
<v Speaker 2>hold today, we would think that these were vile and

547
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.839
<v Speaker 2>reprehensible human beings, like how dare they do what they do?

548
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:18.079
<v Speaker 2>But in their time period that was considered completely normal behavior,

549
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>that was expected socially enforced behavior. But to us it's vile.

550
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 2>And so that is part of the evolution of our cultures.

551
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<v Speaker 2>We're moving away from the things that are distortions of

552
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Speaker 2>the universal baseline, and I think we're starting to tune

553
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.759
<v Speaker 2>into it more and more. And it's happening at the

554
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.200
<v Speaker 2>collective level because more and more people are awakening, inserting

555
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>that information to the collective, which enables it easier for

556
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<v Speaker 2>other people to have that experience as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you think our current technology falls into everything?

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<v Speaker 1>Is technology a reflection of anti spirituality? Are if we

559
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<v Speaker 1>embrace technology to too high of a degree, does it

560
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<v Speaker 1>cut us off more from spirituality. What are your thoughts

561
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<v Speaker 1>on that.

562
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<v Speaker 2>It's a fair question because it comes up quite a bit,

563
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 2>and I really think they're independents. Our technology is going

564
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<v Speaker 2>to continue to progress, and when people start saying that

565
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 2>it's moving too fast, well they're right. You know, the

566
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 2>speed of innovation and invention is rapidly increasing. It's almost

567
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<v Speaker 2>asked some total growth, which is why Ray Kurzweil talks

568
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.400
<v Speaker 2>about that singularity coming up when technology hits a point

569
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 2>that we cannot further project what that technology looks like

570
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:43.039
<v Speaker 2>beyond that point, and so some people are very uncomfortable.

571
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<v Speaker 2>They can't adapt. You know, when we're back in the

572
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>eighties and people suddenly got cassette tapes, they were just

573
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<v Speaker 2>like what is this? And all of a sudden CDs

574
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 2>came out and we're blowing people's minds. They're like, no,

575
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.239
<v Speaker 2>records are better. But look at like AI today, electro

576
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.159
<v Speaker 2>voltaic cars, all of these things that are just advancing

577
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.360
<v Speaker 2>so rapidly. It makes people uncomfortable because they can't adapt

578
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.280
<v Speaker 2>as quickly as not as quickly. They just can't adapt.

579
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<v Speaker 2>So in a very real sense, technology is sort of

580
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.280
<v Speaker 2>outpacing the brain and what the brain can do and

581
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 2>so there will be some repercussions from that, but at

582
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<v Speaker 2>the same time, our spiritual growth is advancing again as well,

583
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and we're continuing to do that work. I don't know

584
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<v Speaker 2>if they ever will mesh. I don't know if they are.

585
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we are sort of the intersection point of

586
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.559
<v Speaker 2>that human beings are, but I don't know if they

587
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.480
<v Speaker 2>ever will intermingle intermesh like you make us a computer

588
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:45.639
<v Speaker 2>with a soul. That could be very interesting. But people

589
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 2>are suggesting that AI may have those little hints of

590
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:54.159
<v Speaker 2>consciousness and part of the baseline of the universes everything

591
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 2>is consciousness. I agree with animism and panpsychism. They're like

592
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:02.159
<v Speaker 2>different versions of the same thing. Psychism is the quantum

593
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>science version and animism is the spiritual version that says

594
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>everything is consciousness. Everything has some sort of conscious level

595
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.159
<v Speaker 2>to it. And so when we look to computers in

596
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>AI and we realize they have that consciousness spark, and

597
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 2>as they get more complex and they're thinking and reasoning,

598
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:21.920
<v Speaker 2>which they're not there. They're not thinking and reasoning yet,

599
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.440
<v Speaker 2>they're just putting pieces together. Think of it like an

600
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:28.000
<v Speaker 2>advanced word processor. But when they get to that point,

601
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 2>does does that consciousness kick on. That's a good question.

602
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to keep my eyeballs peeled for that one. Yeah.

603
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.960
<v Speaker 2>But the fact is we got to keep doing our

604
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 2>spiritual growth no matter what, because that is what's going

605
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<v Speaker 2>to affect humanity, no matter what the technological state is.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think that looks like as time goes

607
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:54.039
<v Speaker 1>on spiritual growth in humans? What do you think humans

608
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 1>will have the ability to do if they start to

609
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>embrace the spiritual nature of reality?

610
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<v Speaker 2>It comes with a greater degree of discernment, It comes

611
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.880
<v Speaker 2>with a greater degree of awareness of something in existence

612
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>far beyond our imaginary potential and our imagination potential. Imagine this,

613
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and this is the world that I see that there

614
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.639
<v Speaker 2>is the physical world that is tangible, physical, solid, but

615
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:29.840
<v Speaker 2>intertwined with that, completely inexplicably intertwined with that, is an

616
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:34.840
<v Speaker 2>energetic realm, the unseen realm. It's the realm of spirits,

617
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 2>the fourth density entities. It is vast. I would say,

618
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Speaker 2>it's even more vast than the physical realms. And to

619
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.079
<v Speaker 2>be able to connect with that on a moment to moment,

620
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 2>day to day basis, to be aware of what the

621
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>energy shifts as you move from room to room to

622
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:53.400
<v Speaker 2>feel the energy shift when a person comes into the

623
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Speaker 2>room and how you're interacting with them, and then also

624
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 2>being aware when spirits do the same thing. You know

625
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>how it feels when like a person walks in the

626
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.079
<v Speaker 2>room and looks at you, you can feel it. Well, it's

627
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>the same thing with spirits. It feels the exact same

628
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.039
<v Speaker 2>way spirit walks into the room stairs at you, but

629
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.119
<v Speaker 2>we just tune it up. Most people tune that out,

630
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.039
<v Speaker 2>turn it off because there's no logical reason that they

631
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.599
<v Speaker 2>feel somebody should be standing there looking at them. So

632
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.280
<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh, it's just my mind playing tricks on me. Well,

633
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>no it's not. You're just aware of something that you're denying.

634
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>And so that future looks like people having that open

635
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.119
<v Speaker 2>awareness of the interlacing of the physical and the energetic,

636
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.639
<v Speaker 2>and that they're communicating back and forth, that you won't

637
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:36.360
<v Speaker 2>need paranormal investigators anymore because you don't have to prove

638
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.599
<v Speaker 2>that the paranormal exists. It's just now an integral part

639
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 2>of everyday world. It's just people developing better and more

640
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 2>expanded techniques for interacting and connecting with that. It does

641
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>involve more out of body experiences, getting to remote viewing

642
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>might become like an everyday thing for the average person,

643
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.840
<v Speaker 2>because it is for some people, and it does mean

644
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>that they'll be getting information and downloads from people that

645
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 2>have been there, done that. So, for example, let's say

646
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 2>you have an inventor that's been working on a project

647
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 2>his whole life, and he's made some great strides on that,

648
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and he's taught people what he's invented and how the

649
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.400
<v Speaker 2>invention works, and all of the mechanics and the theory

650
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.559
<v Speaker 2>and the math and the science to that, and then

651
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:23.480
<v Speaker 2>he dies normal thing, and his apprentices continue his work,

652
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>but maybe they need that moment of inspiration, maybe need

653
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.280
<v Speaker 2>some guidance like how did this part work? What is

654
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.519
<v Speaker 2>this all about? And instead of kind of throwing their

655
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.840
<v Speaker 2>hands up, going well it's gone, we're lost, they reach

656
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 2>out to him. Not necessarily a seance, but they just

657
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.159
<v Speaker 2>reach out to him and say, hey, can you give

658
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 2>me some input to that? And they get the input

659
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:45.000
<v Speaker 2>and so his work continues to live on. And I

660
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>think one of the most important things about this, and

661
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 2>this is I think the most heartwarming is and today

662
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.199
<v Speaker 2>when people die, most people assume that's it. You're over.

663
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you're in heaven, but you can't get back to Earth,

664
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.920
<v Speaker 2>or maybe you just don't exist at all. That's the end,

665
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 2>by by gone cut off. But think about all those

666
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.880
<v Speaker 2>times when you've thought, what would I do for just

667
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.679
<v Speaker 2>one more chance to say I love you, one more

668
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 2>chance to connect, one more chance to feel you there

669
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.559
<v Speaker 2>in that future state that's gone. It's like, Okay, it

670
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 2>sucks you're not in the physical world. It sucks you're gone.

671
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm sad about that, But hey, let's get together next

672
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Saturday and have a chat. Anyway, you know, that door

673
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 2>will be open and people have that continued relationship even

674
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.480
<v Speaker 2>after the death of the body, and that will be commonplace.

675
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.639
<v Speaker 2>It won't be demonized or pathologized. It'll be just like, yeah, hey,

676
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:40.719
<v Speaker 2>I was talking to my grandma yesterday, just talked to

677
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>you too, you know, it'll be just a common, ordinary thing.

678
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 1>As far as spirit connections within the afterlife, is that

679
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 1>something that can always be accessed by us, is the

680
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:59.559
<v Speaker 1>spiritual afterlife surrounding us at all times, just beyond our perception.

681
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 1>Are whenever we cross over, is there a period after

682
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 1>death where we're gone, We're not even in the astral realm,

683
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:09.480
<v Speaker 1>We're somewhere else.

684
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.480
<v Speaker 2>That's a fair question. Let's kind of peet a picture

685
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 2>of that. When somebody transitions into the afterlife, what they

686
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.960
<v Speaker 2>need to learn how to do is to move and

687
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.920
<v Speaker 2>speak into function in a world where there's no time

688
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.519
<v Speaker 2>and the physics doesn't work the same way as as

689
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.960
<v Speaker 2>our physical world. Think about like a baby born into

690
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.039
<v Speaker 2>this world, how they have to learn to use their body.

691
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.119
<v Speaker 2>They have to learn to speak and walk and interact

692
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 2>with things. Well, for some people it's the same in

693
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 2>the afterlife. They have to kind of remember what it's

694
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 2>like to talk, what it's like to move where there's

695
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:48.920
<v Speaker 2>no time, and they have to learn how to exist

696
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 2>in that realm. And so there is some of that

697
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.639
<v Speaker 2>immediate period where you can't reach them because they're transitioning

698
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 2>and they're learning and they're readjusting. For some people, that

699
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.519
<v Speaker 2>moment of death was difficult. Cults, there may be some

700
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Speaker 2>things that are kind of locking them in where they

701
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 2>just they need some extra help, and so they may

702
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:12.119
<v Speaker 2>be inaccessible at that point. Conversely, somebody who has explored

703
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 2>their spirituality, has had out of body experience, explored the afterlife,

704
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:19.400
<v Speaker 2>they got really familiar with it, what it's like to

705
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.760
<v Speaker 2>interact with the spiritual realms. When their body dies and

706
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 2>they go to the other side, there's still a bit

707
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.440
<v Speaker 2>of a transition and adjustment period, but it's much shorter,

708
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>it's much quicker. But after they've made all of this adjustments,

709
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:33.360
<v Speaker 2>after they've gone through that healing, after they've gone through

710
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:37.199
<v Speaker 2>that work, there is absolutely nothing limiting them from coming

711
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:41.440
<v Speaker 2>back and interacting with us. Absolutely nothing, And in fact,

712
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 2>most of them do it most of the time. I've

713
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>encountered one or two people that said they want nothing

714
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 2>to do with their family after after they moved to

715
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.480
<v Speaker 2>the other side, But most of them they can transition,

716
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:54.559
<v Speaker 2>come back and hang out whenever they want.

717
00:42:56.119 --> 00:43:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Would you say that astral travel, out of body experiences,

718
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>these kinds of things would help you prepare for the.

719
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Afterlife, because as we're locked in the physical world and

720
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:13.000
<v Speaker 2>we're used to just the tangible physical thing. And how

721
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>movement is through time. You know distance equal speed times time,

722
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.239
<v Speaker 2>that equation, Well, if you take time out of that equation,

723
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.760
<v Speaker 2>everything shrinks to nothing. There's no movement, but you still

724
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>have to learn how to move. You can still change locations,

725
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 2>you can still change time frames. And when you get

726
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.079
<v Speaker 2>out of your body now and you have these out

727
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 2>of body experiences. You're exploring your house, you're exploring other places.

728
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 2>You're learning how to make that movement, and you're learning

729
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.920
<v Speaker 2>how to move through time. That's another interesting piece. You know,

730
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.440
<v Speaker 2>you're moving how to move back and forth through time

731
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.239
<v Speaker 2>and location because you're playing, and it is play. It's play,

732
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.760
<v Speaker 2>it's exploration. You should be having fun with it. And

733
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.159
<v Speaker 2>I will dispel any of those fear that's out there

734
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 2>that if you're having an out of body experience, that

735
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>somebody can steal your soul, or that the silver cord

736
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.320
<v Speaker 2>can break and you get lost. None of that's true.

737
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Because you are physical and spiritual. They have a constant,

738
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 2>dynamic experience. You can't lose that connection as long as

739
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the body is alive. So get out explore. You know,

740
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:14.119
<v Speaker 2>even if it feels like you're laying in bed and

741
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you want to imagine like you're walking around your room

742
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and then you walk out of your room into the hallway,

743
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.519
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. Play with it. Get used to

744
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 2>that feeling of being bilocated. You can feel yourself laying

745
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 2>in bed and you can feel yourself walking around the

746
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.159
<v Speaker 2>living room at the same time. It's a little disconcerting

747
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 2>at first, very disorienting at first, but you get used

748
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>to it, and the more you start doing that, you'll

749
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.519
<v Speaker 2>connect with those spiritual allies as guides that will say, hey,

750
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.800
<v Speaker 2>you want to see what the afterlife looks like. Hey,

751
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.760
<v Speaker 2>you want to see what this common area looks like.

752
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Hey you want to go explore and look what that

753
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 2>looks like. And they will show you these places. Again,

754
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.480
<v Speaker 2>you can't get lost. You just go and you learn

755
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and they show you those things and you come back.

756
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 2>And the more you do that, that makes it so

757
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:57.719
<v Speaker 2>much easier when your body is not here anymore. You

758
00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 2>just you already know what you're doing. You get to

759
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.039
<v Speaker 2>the and you're like, oh, yeah, I'm familiar with this.

760
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I got this.

761
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Would you say there's any danger or concern that anyone

762
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.039
<v Speaker 1>should have while they're having an out of body experience,

763
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>having trouble getting back, or entities out there that may

764
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 1>not have your best interest in mind, anything like that.

765
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.760
<v Speaker 2>None of that changes with an out of body experience.

766
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>It's the same when you're in the body or out

767
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 2>of the body. You can't get lost, you can't get

768
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:30.679
<v Speaker 2>cut off. But spirits are spirits, people are people, you know.

769
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the paranormal problems are caused by a person who

770
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:38.079
<v Speaker 2>is a jerk in life or regular a word a whole.

771
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what word that we can use. These

772
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.679
<v Speaker 2>words in life and as a spirit they come back

773
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.239
<v Speaker 2>and not come back in a spirit. They are roaming

774
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the earth. There's still an asshole. So if you get

775
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.760
<v Speaker 2>out of body experience and you encounter that jerk, they're

776
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 2>going to be a jerk to you that the people

777
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 2>are people, but you learn how to avoid them. You

778
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.039
<v Speaker 2>learn how to shift your energies and your consciousness that

779
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.440
<v Speaker 2>you avoid them. You connect with guides that can help

780
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>you go to places that are interesting and fun. I

781
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.400
<v Speaker 2>have seen some of these realms, and there are realms

782
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:11.159
<v Speaker 2>out there that some people would consider hell. I have

783
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.599
<v Speaker 2>seen what people basically consider hell, and it's not a

784
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:18.239
<v Speaker 2>place of eternal torment. It's just people who are lost

785
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 2>in their minds thinking they need to be suffering, but

786
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.599
<v Speaker 2>they're not there permanently. Somebody is there to help them

787
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.400
<v Speaker 2>when they're ready to move out of that state. But

788
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a realm. I helped the lady clear a

789
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.880
<v Speaker 2>spirit that was in our house that refused to leave.

790
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.480
<v Speaker 2>He was like an old biker guy, very rowdy, very

791
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.199
<v Speaker 2>violent and aggressive. The neighbors hated him and he didn't

792
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:41.559
<v Speaker 2>want to go. But I found a place for him

793
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:46.039
<v Speaker 2>to go that was full of rowdy, raucous people, loud

794
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:50.039
<v Speaker 2>and music, loud noises, fighting. And this lady, when I'd

795
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.400
<v Speaker 2>explained this realm, She's like, Wow, that sounds like hell.

796
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.039
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you're right. For you, that would be hell.

797
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:58.039
<v Speaker 2>But what if for him that's what heaven looks like

798
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:01.119
<v Speaker 2>and he can't wait to go. So there are these

799
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>realms that you can encounter that may seem off putting,

800
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that may seem evil, awful, terrible, but the people living

801
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.519
<v Speaker 2>there may just just love it and that's what they want.

802
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.840
<v Speaker 1>What would you say the purpose of this human experiences?

803
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Many in the spiritual community would say it's a place

804
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.800
<v Speaker 1>for us to learn and grow how to be better

805
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:26.039
<v Speaker 1>cosmic entities, how to be the best that we can.

806
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>But from what you just said, this may be also

807
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 1>just a place to have experiences that in the afterlife,

808
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:40.119
<v Speaker 1>if you want to continue a debaucherous existence, that may

809
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 1>be available to you. Would you say that's accurate?

810
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:44.000
<v Speaker 2>That is accurate.

811
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

812
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I was going to that spiritualist church

813
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>and what are the spirits came through the channeler and said,

814
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:52.960
<v Speaker 2>on the other side, you can do whatever you want

815
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 2>for however long you want to do. If you want

816
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 2>to sit under a tree all day long, you can

817
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 2>sit under that tree all day long. You're going to

818
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 2>get calloused in the same place you would and I

819
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.360
<v Speaker 2>were still in your physical body. And what they were

820
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.719
<v Speaker 2>meaning by that is, yes, you could have this debaucherous afterlife.

821
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:11.000
<v Speaker 2>But after a while it gets a little old, You

822
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:12.960
<v Speaker 2>have a little stale, and so you get curious and

823
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.679
<v Speaker 2>you want to explore something else. And then your teachers,

824
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 2>your guides, we they're like, yeah, what would you like

825
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:19.480
<v Speaker 2>to do? And they're like, what would it be cool

826
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 2>if I was this or that? And they're like, yeah,

827
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.159
<v Speaker 2>how about we put together a life where you experienced

828
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, and then you will have this understanding.

829
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.519
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the key piece, is the meaning

830
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.320
<v Speaker 2>of life is doing whatever you're doing, no matter what

831
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.400
<v Speaker 2>it is that you're doing, because you were picking up

832
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.519
<v Speaker 2>the information of what it's like, what that experience is like,

833
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 2>what you learn from it, what it's like to be

834
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 2>in that experience. But that information doesn't stay with you.

835
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 2>We're all part of this is collective of humanity, the

836
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 2>unconscious collective. And then in the spirit world it's the

837
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 2>same kind of way. There is like this collective understanding

838
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and so and not. At the spiritual level we talked

839
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.239
<v Speaker 2>about the third density. Then there's that fourth density playground.

840
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Then there's like the fifth densities, spiritual realms. Our higher

841
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.119
<v Speaker 2>self might be in the sixth or seventh density, even

842
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:14.039
<v Speaker 2>a higher place where there's more of like a communal awareness,

843
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:17.880
<v Speaker 2>a communal wisdom, and so that information is being brought

844
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:21.079
<v Speaker 2>up into that level at that communal level, and that's

845
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 2>where they get these hair brained ideas of like, hey,

846
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:26.039
<v Speaker 2>what would it be like to have one lifetime as

847
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.760
<v Speaker 2>a janitor that hated everything in their life, and then

848
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:33.119
<v Speaker 2>another lifetime as a rock star that was just decadent

849
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:36.320
<v Speaker 2>and overwhelming. And then they come back and they share

850
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 2>that and we do see this reflected in sort of

851
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the Buddhist teaching. There's I got to remember his name,

852
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:51.599
<v Speaker 2>but there's a school here in Boulder, Colorado, versus Naropa

853
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that was founded by one of the Rimpoches, and he

854
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:58.960
<v Speaker 2>was a high level lama in the Buddhist tradition. However,

855
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.800
<v Speaker 2>he did from what I understand, you know, smoking, drinking,

856
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:07.519
<v Speaker 2>having different women. He had a very hedonistic life. And

857
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:12.159
<v Speaker 2>people know, we are taught that spirituality and aesthetism is

858
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 2>one of the saying you have to reject the material world,

859
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:18.519
<v Speaker 2>you have to reject carnal desires to be spiritual. So

860
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Speaker 2>people are starting to question his spiritual nature. How could

861
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 2>it be so hedonistic but be considered this higher level

862
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.599
<v Speaker 2>spiritual person. So they went to the Dalai Lama and said, hey,

863
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:32.039
<v Speaker 2>we got this problem with this rimpoch and his decad

864
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.280
<v Speaker 2>a hedonistic lifestyle. And he's like, what's the problem, that's

865
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.280
<v Speaker 2>just his dharma this lifetime, and he wanted to explain

866
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.000
<v Speaker 2>that as a lama progresses lifetime after lifetime, they will

867
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.960
<v Speaker 2>have an ascetic lifestyle where they're a monk living with

868
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 2>just one set of clothes for their entire lifetime, having

869
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>meager food and no possessions. Then they will have a

870
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 2>hedonistic lifestyle where they are just partaking in all of

871
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 2>these things and enjoying it. And the reason why they

872
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>have those lifetimes of experiences that they have these different

873
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.280
<v Speaker 2>views of different perspectives of what it means to be

874
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.559
<v Speaker 2>human and human lifestyles. So they can collect this into

875
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:13.840
<v Speaker 2>a greater understanding of humanity as they progress on their path,

876
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.599
<v Speaker 2>so that they can better connect and teach and help

877
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.480
<v Speaker 2>people grow. And if we look at that all of

878
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.760
<v Speaker 2>that at at the collective level, isn't that what we're

879
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.920
<v Speaker 2>all doing, just getting a different perspective of all of

880
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 2>the challenges and the positives, and the.

881
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Growth perspective does seem to be the key word. Even

882
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.599
<v Speaker 1>in the afterlife, even in the spiritual realms, how you

883
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:42.760
<v Speaker 1>view things tends to be what your experience is. Many

884
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>of that think that we're in this gnostic reality where

885
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 1>arcons control the afterlife and punish us by sending us

886
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 1>back here again. That is a negative perspective in my opinion.

887
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:02.480
<v Speaker 1>What if this is, like you said, the Disneyland of

888
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the cosmos where everybody wants to come and have those

889
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:07.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of experiences.

890
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm gonna say both are true. Those people who

891
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:16.039
<v Speaker 2>need to feel that arconic control and that some saraw

892
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:20.519
<v Speaker 2>trap will and those people that want to be avoiding

893
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 2>that will. It goes back to your perspective, Like you

894
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:27.360
<v Speaker 2>just said, what your perspective is shapes your reality. And

895
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.119
<v Speaker 2>if that's what you believe, and that's what you're buying into.

896
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.079
<v Speaker 2>That's what you're going to experience with the caveat that

897
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.280
<v Speaker 2>nothing is eternal. You might try that out for that

898
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:41.199
<v Speaker 2>arconic control for one to ten lifetimes, and then it

899
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:42.880
<v Speaker 2>gets old, it gets stale. You're like, hey, I wonder

900
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.079
<v Speaker 2>what it would be like to do something different, and

901
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.039
<v Speaker 2>then you go explore that too, which suggests that there's

902
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.679
<v Speaker 2>something even bigger going on that we might not be

903
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.760
<v Speaker 2>able to perceive in our third and fourth density existences.

904
00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:59.079
<v Speaker 2>We might not be able to perceive it from that

905
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:03.440
<v Speaker 2>fifth density existence. That if all, if both sides of

906
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the paradox are true, that suggests that there's something bigger

907
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>going on that we're not quite seeing yet. And so

908
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that's where I find the hope in all of this

909
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 2>is I think all of that is true, which means

910
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.199
<v Speaker 2>there's something even bigger that yet we have to explore

911
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and understand, which is super fascinating to me.

912
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's like infinite layers of reality as above so below,

913
00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 1>from the microscopic of the microscopic to the most massive

914
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 1>entity in the cosmos, it just keeps perpetually, infinitely.

915
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Going turtles all the way down.

916
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Would you say if a person is having trouble in

917
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 1>this incarnation and they're engaging in toxic activity, drugs, having

918
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.559
<v Speaker 1>a very traumatizing life, that it's going to be more

919
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:56.639
<v Speaker 1>difficult for them to connect with positive spiritual experiences, but

920
00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:00.480
<v Speaker 1>they may connect easier with the negative ones.

921
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.679
<v Speaker 2>I've seen that. I've seen that more often than not.

922
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:11.199
<v Speaker 2>And we can use the addictive behavior maybe as an excuse,

923
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:14.599
<v Speaker 2>but it definitely adds some vulnerability to it. It's a

924
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.880
<v Speaker 2>very complex layered thing, and I never ever want to

925
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.880
<v Speaker 2>blame the victim at all, not at all, but there

926
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.880
<v Speaker 2>may have been that presupposition. And I'm just going to

927
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.920
<v Speaker 2>use an extreme case here. This is not the norm,

928
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:31.079
<v Speaker 2>but let's say an extreme case. Let's suppose that there

929
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.719
<v Speaker 2>was already some sort of self destructive behavior because of

930
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:36.960
<v Speaker 2>something they picked up in childhood, or there may be

931
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 2>a neurobiological imbalance going on maybe, and that self destructive

932
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 2>inclination is what led them into the addictive behaviors. But

933
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to suggest that it's that shadow, that shadow

934
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:54.320
<v Speaker 2>nature of that self destructive behavior that is creating that

935
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.599
<v Speaker 2>energy output that will create that connection and create those

936
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:02.639
<v Speaker 2>entities that will reinforce them self destructive pattern and it

937
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:06.199
<v Speaker 2>will say, here's the behavior that reinforces this. They're not

938
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.800
<v Speaker 2>consciously aware of it, they're not thinking it, they just

939
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:13.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe subconsciously tuned into it and following that. And again,

940
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that's not permanent, it's not eternal. We've seen people that

941
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:18.719
<v Speaker 2>can break out of the cycles. That it is hard work.

942
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:21.440
<v Speaker 2>And I do commend people who are in recovery. That

943
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>is amazing that they're doing that, that is wonderful. But

944
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:31.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm not inclined to blame the behaviors or the individual.

945
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:35.320
<v Speaker 2>But there's some proclivity there that needs to be addressed

946
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.760
<v Speaker 2>that underlies all of that. And when we address that

947
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 2>underlying proclivity, that's where we can find the resolution.

948
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 1>Do you think if humanity as a whole evolves to

949
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:56.320
<v Speaker 1>a collective spiritual understanding about the nature of reality that

950
00:55:56.599 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 1>reflects a more realistic experience both in the afterlife and

951
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:07.559
<v Speaker 1>the material, that we wouldn't have a need for organized religions,

952
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 1>dogmatic beliefs, things of that nature. Maybe.

953
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, And here's what my thinking is on that. When

954
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 2>we look at some of the old mystery school texts,

955
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Hermeticum, even the Bible, even some of

956
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:28.280
<v Speaker 2>these old old texts and we look at the parables

957
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.760
<v Speaker 2>and the metaphors and the symbolism that they used. You know,

958
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of alchemy hid their secrets and the symbolism.

959
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.920
<v Speaker 2>And there was a group, there's a camp of thinking

960
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:43.079
<v Speaker 2>out there that says, Oh, they were trying to obstecate

961
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:47.519
<v Speaker 2>the secrets that they were trying to hide the secret

962
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:50.480
<v Speaker 2>information that they had. And I'm going to suggest what

963
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:53.159
<v Speaker 2>if they were doing just the opposite. What if they

964
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:57.639
<v Speaker 2>were connecting with the ineffable, something that was beyond their

965
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.719
<v Speaker 2>perceptive awareness, something beyond their unders standing, and all they

966
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:04.639
<v Speaker 2>could do was create the symbolism. All they could do

967
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 2>is create the parable and the metaphor as a means

968
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:11.559
<v Speaker 2>to be open and expressive as best as they could

969
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.960
<v Speaker 2>about what they were experiencing, giving the cultural norms and

970
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:20.719
<v Speaker 2>the cultural understandings of their time period. And in today's world,

971
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.280
<v Speaker 2>when we're starting to understand the quantum science and the

972
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:29.199
<v Speaker 2>connection of consciousness and the observer effect, it is no different.

973
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:33.280
<v Speaker 2>People are experiencing the ineffable, something that they cannot put

974
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:38.239
<v Speaker 2>into linear physical words and terms that we understand. So

975
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:42.480
<v Speaker 2>they go to quantum science as a metaphor to explain

976
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.760
<v Speaker 2>what they were experiencing. So I will say that the

977
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.519
<v Speaker 2>alchemical drawings of let's say, the divine marriage is no

978
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.000
<v Speaker 2>different than somebody talking about the observer effect and how

979
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:59.320
<v Speaker 2>consciousness affects manifestation. They're still tapping into something ineffable that

980
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:02.000
<v Speaker 2>they can't use, but they are applying it to the

981
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.599
<v Speaker 2>cultural and mythological constructs that are applicable to them at

982
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:10.280
<v Speaker 2>the time. And I think nothing has changed. I do

983
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.840
<v Speaker 2>think more people are becoming more aware, but it's still

984
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.440
<v Speaker 2>we're having that challenge to put it in terms that

985
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:17.679
<v Speaker 2>we can communicate to each other.

986
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 1>In closing, are you optimistic about the current direction we're

987
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:29.119
<v Speaker 1>headed collectively? Do you see us able to avoid the

988
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 1>proverbial train flying off the tracks?

989
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:37.920
<v Speaker 2>In a sense, this is where we have to be

990
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:41.079
<v Speaker 2>very aware of the information that we're receiving, because if

991
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:43.519
<v Speaker 2>we look at news, and we look at social media,

992
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.519
<v Speaker 2>we look at mainstream media, they are only going to

993
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:52.360
<v Speaker 2>report to you and announce to you the outlier, strange,

994
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:56.440
<v Speaker 2>bizarre disaster, weird situations. But they talk about it so

995
00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:59.960
<v Speaker 2>much that it influences our cognitive bias that we think

996
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:01.960
<v Speaker 2>this is going on all the time, that the world

997
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:04.840
<v Speaker 2>is falling apart, look at what's happening. But if you

998
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:08.480
<v Speaker 2>take a breath, you take a part to step back

999
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and remember something very interesting that modern science understands. You

1000
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:16.400
<v Speaker 2>cannot observe reality because we only have a little tiny

1001
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.559
<v Speaker 2>sliver of it that we can perceive. But the measurements

1002
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and the data that you receive still comes down to perception.

1003
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:25.760
<v Speaker 2>But that will tell you the truth of what's really

1004
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:28.679
<v Speaker 2>going on. And so if we look past the media

1005
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 2>and the things trying to stir us up and stir

1006
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.480
<v Speaker 2>us into that fear state, and we look at the cold,

1007
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:37.159
<v Speaker 2>hard data, we are living in the most peaceful and

1008
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 2>prosperous time in all of human history by a dramatic

1009
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:47.559
<v Speaker 2>drop in violence and poverty and all of that dramatic drop,

1010
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:51.400
<v Speaker 2>and those numbers are improving. So if we look at

1011
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:55.800
<v Speaker 2>just the raw data and not the media, yeah, we're

1012
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:57.840
<v Speaker 2>doing the right things, we're on the right path, and

1013
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:01.159
<v Speaker 2>we're seeing those shifts happening all all the time. But

1014
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:04.760
<v Speaker 2>we have to remember, don't don't just rely on what

1015
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Speaker 2>we're being told. Dig deeper and find you'll find the

1016
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.360
<v Speaker 2>answers what's really happening. So I'm very optimistic.

1017
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Turn off your phone, turn off your TV, go outside,

1018
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.000
<v Speaker 1>observe nature, talk to your neighbors, and that'll give you

1019
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.880
<v Speaker 1>a better idea of what reality is really about. I'd

1020
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.159
<v Speaker 1>say for sure. Kdrick, thank you so much, man, this

1021
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:26.000
<v Speaker 1>was great. Before I let you go, remind the audience

1022
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.400
<v Speaker 1>one more time how they can find more of you.

1023
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is great. I love talking about this stuff.

1024
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Yep. You go to my website Kdrick dot com.

1025
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:37.360
<v Speaker 2>It's spelled k A E D R I c H.

1026
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Or use my name Google, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. Like I said,

1027
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>my name is a key, that magic key that opens

1028
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.920
<v Speaker 2>up secret doors. I got to turn that into something better.

1029
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:48.559
<v Speaker 2>But that's fun.

1030
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.000
<v Speaker 1>It is fun. I like it. Thank you so much. Man.

1031
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.639
<v Speaker 1>We'll do it again. And until next time, everyone, have

1032
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.320
<v Speaker 1>an excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow. See y'all.

1033
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:05.199
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